Did Hermione kiss Viktor Krum? v4

I think there was a lot of emphasis on Krum's "physical aspects." I think they did.....go past first base not as far as second:D

Ginny says that they did, and I would think she would know, since it seems that the two are close. After all, Hermione spends a lot of time at the Burrow, and Ginny is the only girl there.

And I agree. Good for Hermione! There's nothing wrong with kissing someone. And there's certainly no reason why she should regret it.

Sorry...I just don't think she did. If she did, it wasn't a snog. Maybe it was a quick kiss, and nothing more. Hermione though only sees Victor as a friend, possibly If a kiss happened it would be the other way around. Victor probably kissed her, not Hermione kissed Victor. Ginny I just think said that out of assumption and anger, nothing more. Hermione is pretty personal, I don't think she'd discuss a kiss with Victor if it didn't mean anyting anyway, if the kiss did happen.:relax:

i remember from the yule ball that night that hermione didnt kiss krum cause she kissed harry

i remember from the yule ball that night that hermione didnt kiss krum cause she kissed harry

Really? I don't remember that bit!

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I don't think she kissed Harry in GoF.:shrug:
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I'm pretty sure Hermione didn't kiss Harry during the yule ball but I can be wrong. I actually don't have my GOF book with m so I can't look it up. But anyway.....I do think Hermione kissed Krum but only once or twice and it was probably quick.

Can I ask why people have a problem with Hermione kissing Krum? They were teenagers, they dated, the stayed in contact afterwards, why would anyone think they didn't kiss?ES: Were you always -----ing it? [We can't figure out what Emerson actually said here.]

JKR: Well, no, not really, because the plan was, which I really hope I fulfilled, is that the reader, like Harry, would gradually discover Ginny as pretty much the ideal girl for Harry. She's tough, not in an unpleasant way, but she's gutsy. He needs to be with someone who can stand the demands of being with Harry Potter, because he's a scary boyfriend in a lot of ways. He's a marked man. I think she's funny, and I think that she's very warm and compassionate. These are all things that Harry requires in his ideal woman. But, I felt - and I'm talking years ago when all this was planned - initially, she's terrified by his image. I mean, he's a bit of a rock god to her when she sees him first at 10 or 11, and he's this famous boy. So Ginny had to go through a journey as well. And rather like with Ron, I didn't want Ginny to be the first girl that Harry ever kissed. That's something I meant to say, and it's kind of tied in.

link (http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml)How sexist would it be for Harry and Ron to have kissed other people before getting together with the "right" person, but Hermione to have to stay pure and untouched until Ron had finished experimenting with Lavender? I get the impression some fans don't want Hermione to have kissed Krum, but that would just be unfair!

In addition to what anabel posts, I guess that JKR applies the same standard to all of the four (trio + Ginny). So IMO the kissing of Hermione and Victor was similar to the kissing of Ginny /Dean or Ron/Lavender. And there is nothing wrong with it. Victor is a cool guy and a perfectly appropriate first date/boyfriend for Hermione. :D

i'm currently reading GoF, actually, and i noticed that Hermione actually gets quite giggly when talking about Krum... starts looking at her feet and talking very fast, like when she was admitting what Krum said to her... it seemed like a real romance in a teenager kind of way, although we don't really see it because the book is written from Harry's point of view...

How sexist would it be for Harry and Ron to have kissed other people before getting together with the "right" person, but Hermione to have to stay pure and untouched until Ron had finished experimenting with Lavender?

Very! :lol:

I think having the snog/kiss mentioned affirmatively in the book three times, tow by Harry, and not refuted by anything by the end of said book, is proof enough.

I think having the snog/kiss mentioned affirmatively in the book three times, tow by Harry, and not refuted by anything by the end of said book, is proof enough.
Yup I agree :D.l Plus JKRs comments about not wanting the final partner to be the first one (regarding Harry-Cho-Ginny).
I think it's pretty clear in the books. Amazing how we managed to get to version 4 of this thread :lol:

Thank you anabel and the rest! I'm surprised people are upset about Hermione kissing Krum. I kissed a couple of guys before I got to my husband, and last time I checked, he's not all that concerned. : )

I think any girl who dated Krum would probably at least kiss him. JKR tries to write really realistic teenagers, and it just wouldn't make sense otherwise.
Teenage girls kiss teenage boys. Fact o' life.

yes. Hermione did kiss Viktor. They're between 16-18 and there is nothing wrong with some teenage kissing. They were obviously infatuated with each other and now it has ceased. Hermione likes Ron more and Viktor's mostly moved on.

Hermione was fourteen...Krum was eighteen.
Sorry for the people who heard me say this for about ten times, I still think thats a big age gap.
I don't think she did...just don't.

Hermione was fourteen...Krum was eighteen.
Sorry for the people who heard me say this for about ten times, I still think thats a big age gap.
I don't think she did...just don't.

good point...sorry i was just thinkin about HBP and that's why i said that

Hermione's birthday is in September, though, so she was 15 in GoF.

Can I ask why people have a problem with Hermione kissing Krum? They were teenagers, they dated, the stayed in contact afterwards, why would anyone think they didn't kiss?How sexist would it be for Harry and Ron to have kissed other people before getting together with the "right" person, but Hermione to have to stay pure and untouched until Ron had finished experimenting with Lavender? I get the impression some fans don't want Hermione to have kissed Krum, but that would just be unfair!

i competely agree! i've kissed guys i wasn't totally in love with...but i liked them alright and kissing is pretty innocent so i don't think its a big deal if she did. why should ron be able to and not hermione? she's a teenager too!

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Hermione was fourteen...Krum was eighteen.
Sorry for the people who heard me say this for about ten times, I still think thats a big age gap.
I don't think she did...just don't.

I honestly don't think that that is a HUGE age gap (even for their age group, obviously its nothing really when you are older). It is a bit on the unusual side, yes, but not that big of a deal. I happen to know a couple that has this exact same situation (except the guy is 15 and the girl is 18). I think that it really depends on the people invovled. It probably won't amount to much at this age, but having realationships is how you learn about them and see how they work, in preparation for the time when you will commit to one person.

I think that Hermione is very mature for her age and could handle kissing an older guy at that point. Also, there simply is no harm in kissing someone at this age. It's not uncommon.

I dunno, I think it is strange for an 18yr. old to be into a 14yr. old. I don't think she kissed him, does not seem like Hermione.

"Thank you anabel and the rest! I'm surprised people are upset about Hermione kissing Krum"

Hang on... please don't ASSUME that because we (I and the people who might happen to think like me) don't think it is a granted fact that Hermione has been kissing Krum we also hate to think she did.
Personally I do not hate the idea of it. In fact, I couldn't care less whether she did or not, the only thing I'm defending is the fact that so far there is NO evidence that she did. Period.

And this has nothing to see with the age gap (4 years??? OK, at teem age but still...) or the lack of attraction or any other reason. Only with the lack of evidence (and I mean EVIDENCE, not speculation..)

"I think any girl who dated Krum would probably at least kiss him"

Herm... are you talking about the Krum in the movie or the one in the book? Because if you're talking about the one in the movie, then I'd say you're right... yet you'd be out of topic... but if you're talking about the one in the book then I'd wonder why she would feel so irresistibly inspired to kiss him...

According to this topic, we're discussing the book's Krum and I don't see (out of a combination of both evidence and logic) why Hermione would have gone beyond friendship with him. She was flattered because a celebrity chose her ; she was happy to be able to show Ron she was not loser ; and she was pleasently surprised with VK as a.. FRIEND. Period.

Now, this is my opinion yet based on facts only.

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Well, if they didn't kiss, I'm disappointed in Hermione. I mean, he IS a famous Quidditch player.

But I think Ron's better.:p

HAHA...Good one!(I bowl over laughing!)

I dunno, I think it is strange for an 18yr. old to be into a 14yr. old. I don't think she kissed him, does not seem like Hermione.

Hermione was 15 at the time, not 14.

In fact, I couldn't care less whether she did or not, the only thing I'm defending is the fact that so far there is NO evidence that she did. Period.

No evidence only if you assume that Ginny was lying or speculating, assume that Ron believed it even though he had every reason not to (if it's so impossible to have happened a some of the posters here believe) and assume that Harry internally confirming it TWICE had no significance and was written for God knows whtab reason, WITHOUT any of these three being ever even remotely refuted or even challenged in the book.

"Hermione was 15 at the time, not 14"

And you would see this as a BIG difference???


"No evidence only if you assume that Ginny was lying or speculating"

Speculating would be my choice. Txs.


"assume that Ron believed it even though he had every reason not to"

In fact, I think he had EVERY REASON TO... not out of logic of course, but out of... jealousy! ; )


"and assume that Harry internally confirming it TWICE had no significance"

As far as facts, proofs or evidence is concerned Harry was doing what YOU as well as I am doing: speculating... ; )

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According to this topic, we're discussing the book's Krum and I don't see (out of a combination of both evidence and logic) why Hermione would have gone beyond friendship with him. She was flattered because a celebrity chose her ; she was happy to be able to show Ron she was not loser ; and she was pleasently surprised with VK as a.. FRIEND. Period.

Now, this is my opinion yet based on facts only.

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In my opinion, based on canon from the book, Hermione doesn't act like Krum is only a friend and it's no big deal. If they were only friends -- for example, if Hermione was going with Neville instead -- there would be no blushing or feeling flustered, or secrecy. Hermione's behaving like she has a crush on Krum.

"I can't come with you," said Hermione, now blushing, "because I'm already going with someone."

She was deep in talk with Viktor Krum and hardly seemed to notice what she was eating.

"And he did say he'd never felt this way about anyone else," Hermione went on, going so red now that Harry could almost feel the heat coming from her...

Krum had come to say goodbye to Hermione.
"Could I have a vord?" he asked her.
"Oh...yes...all right," said Hermione, looking slightly flustered and following Krum through the crowd and out of sight.

Notice on the last quote that Krum & Hermione go off through the crowd and out of sight, no doubt for privacy. More than just friends, clearly.

Hermione also continues to write long letters to Viktor (described in OoP) and moves her letter so that Ron can't read it when he notices she's writing. I'm not suggesting that Hermione's feelings toward Krum were deadly serious, but her behavior points to being more than friends. There was romance involved at some point, and as is natural, some kissing.

Hermione also continues to write long letters to Viktor (described in OoP) and moves her letter so that Ron can't read it when he notices she's writing. I'm not suggesting that Hermione's feelings toward Krum were deadly serious, but her behavior points to being more than friends. There was romance involved at some point, and as is natural, some kissing.
I agree. It seems quite clear in the GoF that there was something more going on, but I also think that they ended it when Krum left Hogwarts. Hermione might also have realised that she didn't like Victor enough for a more serious relationship (which is only natural at that age) and kept friendly with him, but no more in OotP.

As for the age difference, it's not such a big difference at all. 15-18 is a quite usual age range in teenage relations. Incidentally are we sure that Victor is 18 in GoF and not 17? As far as I remember Ron is only guessing the age, but has no confirmed info. Victor is still in school and if Durmstrang is similar to Hogwarts, he would be 17 to 18 in his last year.

I agree. It seems quite clear in the GoF that there was something more going on

Even Jo agrees with that...

Was something going on between Ron and Hermione during the last half of GOF?

JKR: "Yes, something's 'going on' ... but Ron doesn't realise it yet ... typical boy"
link (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-yahooligans.html)

Even Jo agrees with that...

Was something going on between Ron and Hermione during the last half of GOF?

JKR: "Yes, something's 'going on' ... but Ron doesn't realise it yet ... typical boy"
link (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-yahooligans.html)To be honest, I interpreted that differently. Ron was coming to the realization that he was jealous, but didn't understand why where Hermione was concerned and didn't seem to realize that he liked her in "that way" and that she was "a girl", not just "one of the guys", ya know? As for Hermione, pretty much the same thing, only not on the level of Ron.

Anyway, with the way that's phrased, I literally took it to mean that something was going on between those two solely.

To be honest, I interpreted that differently. Ron was coming to the realization that he was jealous, but didn't understand why where Hermione was concerned and didn't seem to realize that he liked her in "that way" and that she was "a girl", not just "one of the guys", ya know? As for Hermione, pretty much the same thing, only not on the level of Ron.


Ron was quite confused but Hermione wasn't. She knew that she liked/loved Ron but being a girl with insecurities with relationships I think she decided not to make a move and let Ron realize it.

Anyways we are getting off topic with Ron and Hermione...:lol:

"Hermione was 15 at the time, not 14"

And you would see this as a BIG difference???
Yes. Kids grow up and mature so fast and each year makes a difference. Hermione is 10 1/2 months older than Harry. If you look at a class of 14 year olds and compare them to a class of 15 year olds you will see a real difference.

Oh, I bet they snogged.

"Notice on the last quote that Krum & Hermione go off through the crowd and out of sight, no doubt for privacy. More than just friends, clearly."

Unless it is only Krum who wanted the privacy...

You know, I think all of your exemples are pertinent yet could be interpreted a different way.
The blushing, for exemple, does not necessarily prove to me that Hermione has a crush on Krum. It could just be that she blushes at the thought of being flattered by the attention of a young man.
Many girls will blush out of modesty if a guy tells them they're pretty even though they don't have a crush on him. And Hermione might not be modest about her brains but she might very well be intmidated by the fact that she's now starting to discover her potential attractiveness.

Besides, she did blush mentionning what VK had said to her near the lake yet when she was actually near the lake the book says VK was trying to catch her attention but all she really did was "impatiently brush away the beettle he was trying to pull out from her hair...

But as I already said, I think there are actually NO FACTS in the book showing us for sure whether she did or did not snug VK so all we can do is express our impressions about it.


"Yes. Kids grow up and mature so fast and each year makes a difference. Hermione is 10 1/2 months older than Harry. If you look at a class of 14 year olds and compare them to a class of 15 year olds you will see a real difference."

I do agree with you that kids do change a lot through teenage but not all of them and not at the same pace. And my experience (my own adolescence and the teens I know today) seem to differ from yours. I might see a big difference between 12yo and 14yo but not as much between 14yo and 15yo. I guess it really depends on each individual "turning point" between childhood and adolescence per say.

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I do agree with you that kids do change a lot through teenage but not all of them and not at the same pace. And my experience (my own adolescence and the teens I know today) seem to differ from yours. I might see a big difference between 12yo and 14yo but not as much between 14yo and 15yo. I guess it really depends on each individual "turning point" between childhood and adolescence per say.
I guess most boys have their growth spurt at around 14-15, but every year makes a big difference at that age.

I would be very surprised if Hermione didn't kiss Krum at least once.

I would be disappointed if they didnt kiss..hes a celebrity and in respects 'an exchange student' damn she better of!!
He May not bo described as incredibly hansom but she must have liked him in some aspect for her to dress up so differently and extravagent at the yule ball
btw she may have just been 15 but girls are far more mature then boys and Hermione more so then other girls so yeah the age difference for me was nothing..

if krum returns we may more info on this
as we only see thing from harrys pov we dont know
harmine spens lots of time away from ron and harry

I know earlier I said it was strange...but now that I think about it, if I were in Hermione's place I would have kissed Krum. She is young, attractive and willing to show Ron that she is a catch...

you go girl, go on with your bad self:p

also to show what hes missing..could have been a ploy to make him jelly.
wish we knew if she did kiss him..but making up theorys is more fun :D

Unless it is only Krum who wanted the privacy...

Well, Hermione certainly didn't seem to be complaining afterwards...:lol:

The blushing, for exemple, does not necessarily prove to me that Hermione has a crush on Krum. It could just be that she blushes at the thought of being flattered by the attention of a young man.
Many girls will blush out of modesty if a guy tells them they're pretty even though they don't have a crush on him. And Hermione might not be modest about her brains but she might very well be intmidated by the fact that she's now starting to discover her potential attractiveness.

I don't think that she had a crush on Krum. But, blushing is generally used by Jo to show attraction.

Besides, she did blush mentionning what VK had said to her near the lake yet when she was actually near the lake the book says VK was trying to catch her attention but all she really did was "impatiently brush away the beettle he was trying to pull out from her hair...

She was having a conversation with Krum before Harry came ashore. Hermione was just very relieved to see Harry. It's also possible that she was too concerned about Harry to really think about what Krum was saying, and only considered the implications later on.

But as I already said, I think there are actually NO FACTS in the book showing us for sure whether she did or did not snug VK so all we can do is express our impressions about it.

Yes, but unless we believe that Ginny was lying/assuming about it, and that Harry did the same thing, the canon is that Hermione snogged Krum.

I do agree with you that kids do change a lot through teenage but not all of them and not at the same pace. And my experience (my own adolescence and the teens I know today) seem to differ from yours. I might see a big difference between 12yo and 14yo but not as much between 14yo and 15yo. I guess it really depends on each individual "turning point" between childhood and adolescence per say.

I definitely saw a lot of difference between the GoF Harry and the OoTP Harry. At that age, there would be a big difference. Plus, Hermione and Krum both didn't have a problem with it, and that's all that really matters, isn't it? Krum didn't think that it was inappropriate for him to ask out a fourth year, and Hermione didn't think that Krum was too old to go to the Ball with.

Yes, they did kiss. Both Harry and Ginny admit to it in HBP. I think the chapter was 'Felix Felicis'. Ron does not believe it but both his friend and his sister know the truth, and share it in canon.

Yes, they did kiss. Both Harry and Ginny admit to it in HBP. I think the chapter was 'Felix Felicis'. Ron does not believe it but both his friend and his sister know the truth, and share it in canon.

Not necessarily -- that's why there are four versions of this thread!:lol:

I am sure....absolutly sure, that if Hermione was the "most important thing" in Krums life that they had at least kissed- I mean that would just be creepy if they hadn't. besides she was bound to tell Ginny about it at some point and thats why Ginny would tell Ron so openly- she would assume that he knew.

Yes.Remember in HBP "Harry's snogged Cho Chang! shouted Ginny.And Hermione snogged Viktor Krum." when she was yelling at Ron.

In the ensuing confrontation between Ron and Ginny after ron and Harry caught ginny and Dean snogging, Ginny does mention that Harry has snogged Cho and Hermione has snogged Viktor. I don't think Ginny would just say that to prove a point, and that's the type of thing a girl would talk to a girl about. Also, Viktor was 17, and Hermione was 14 when the 'went out'. With that cloud of raging hormones, it must of manifested itself in at least kisses, if not outright snoggging. Hermione definately kissed Viktor. It wouldn't make sense if she didn't.

In the ensuing confrontation between Ron and Ginny after ron and Harry caught ginny and Dean snogging, Ginny does mention that Harry has snogged Cho and Hermione has snogged Viktor. I don't think Ginny would just say that to prove a point, and that's the type of thing a girl would talk to a girl about. Also, Viktor was 17, and Hermione was 14 when the 'went out'. With that cloud of raging hormones, it must of manifested itself in at least kisses, if not outright snoggging. Hermione definately kissed Viktor. It wouldn't make sense if she didn't.


Don't know why we have to keep reminding you folks that Hermione was 15 during GoF! :lol:

In Globet of fire, she said "viktor liked more physical stuff"

I don't think they had snogged as such ......it just might have been a simple good night kiss. :)

In Globet of fire, she said "viktor liked more physical stuff":no: In the Goblet of Fire movie she said this, not for the book.

I think that it was just a quick kiss and din't mean nothing.

In the ensuing confrontation between Ron and Ginny after ron and Harry caught ginny and Dean snogging, Ginny does mention that Harry has snogged Cho and Hermione has snogged Viktor. I don't think Ginny would just say that to prove a point, and that's the type of thing a girl would talk to a girl about. Also, Viktor was 17, and Hermione was 14 when the 'went out'. With that cloud of raging hormones, it must of manifested itself in at least kisses, if not outright snoggging. Hermione definately kissed Viktor. It wouldn't make sense if she didn't.

ya..teenagers with raging hormones:lol: