Will Harry die in Deathly Hallows? v5

I want to share a piece of wisdom from my then 7 year old child, when we first read the books together. I'd warned her that she might find them scary, but her reaction was very clear: "Mummy, you said Harry Potter was scary, but it's not - it's funny!" And it is! Despite their darkness, these books are full of humour, not tragedy! And they always end on a light note.

Harry's isn't allowed to do magic in the holidays, but the Dursleys don't know that, do they! :eyebrows:

"Proud?" said Harry. "Are you mad? All those times I could have died and I didn't manage it? They'll be furious ..."
And together they walked back through the gateway to the Muggle world.

"Godfather?" spluttered Uncle Vernon. "You haven't got a godfather!"
"Yes, I have," said Harry brightly. He was my mum and dad's best friend. He's a convicted murderer, but he's broken out of wizard prison and he's on the run. He likes to keep in touch with me, though ... keep up with my news ... check I'm happy ..."
And grinning broadly at the look of horror on Uncle Vernon's face, Harry set off towards the station exit, Hedwig ratting along in front of him, for what looked like a much better summer than the last.

Harry gives Fred and George his prize money to open a joke shop.

Instead, he smiled, raised a hand in farewell, turned around and led the way out of the station towards the sunlit street, with Uncle Vernon, Aunt Petunia and Dudley hurrying along in his wake.

he felt his heart lift at the thought that there was still one last golden day of peace left to enjoy with Ron and Hermione.

As you see, every book ends on a positive note, often a very funny one, despite the bad things that have happened.

Yeah, and those are fine. There isn't anything wrong with that...but a "And Harry lived happily ever after" ending would be absurd. I love the war she maintains good cheer throughout the books, even after the darkest times, but that's not the same as a happy ending. Even at the end of HBP it's "one LAST golden day of peace," you know?

Thank you, Anabel! That's just what I needed to hear!

Don't get me wrong, I would really like the ending to be happy, but it just seems highly unlikely. Granted, the books were originally intended for children and young adults, but that doesn't mean that the ending has to be incredibly happy. I just don't see how after everything we've read, the ending can come out to read as a "happily ever after". :no: I'm not just saying in a literal way either, Harry might live, but that doesn't mean everyone will be happy. They'll definitely be scarred for life, and that alone will be enough to make the ending sad.

I did not really mean that type of happy ending where no one dies and no one suffers the consequences of their actions either bad or good. I was focusing on Harry and whether or not I thought it was or would be a valid death. Obviously if Harry dies it will bean altruistic death something he does for others. But doesn't that make him the child that was born only to be sacrificed or to sacrifice himself? I don't know that that is even a wrong idea but it does seem that Harry ought to at least have the rest of his life to enjoy a world cleansed of evil. I do not expect all to survve the last book it would not be realistic as JKR has shown in other books that people do die. I hope that she also shows that sometimes people live after having accomplished what others felt was impossible. There will always be collateral damage no matter what the odds are in a battle between good and evil. I think there is a good possibility that some main characters that we are really invested in will die. I also think that some characters that we may have sidelined a little are going to come to the for and we will connect with them. I think it is highly possible that Harry will cross the barrier of the veil and see what lies beyonf and I thin he will come back as many fantasy heroes have. I hope he does as I would like to see how she handled that. Anyway we won't know until July. :lol:

It's not cynical, I don't think. It's what sets them apart from Voldemort - their willingness to risk it all for people they love. That's a positive message for me, especially combined with what Luna said in OotP (about the Veil and what lies beyond it and all.)

Plus, I don't like the idea that dying = failing. We all die, does that mean we failed? I don't think so.

:lol: I meant this world not theirs. It just seems as though many readers won't be happy unless there are bodies strewn everywhere. But that is just my take on things and probably I am centering on posts that say that and not much else.
As far as failing goes I do not think that death means failure I only think that the Death Eaters,no matter what they do after Voldemort's death, will feel as though Harry's death is a victory for them. I don't think that JKR will leave any victories for the Death Eaters no matter how bittersweet those victories may be.


I want to share a piece of wisdom from my then 7 year old child, when we first read the books together. I'd warned her that she might find them scary, but her reaction was very clear: "Mummy, you said Harry Potter was scary, but it's not - it's funny!" And it is! Despite their darkness, these books are full of humour, not tragedy! And they always end on a light note.

Harry's isn't allowed to do magic in the holidays, but the Dursleys don't know that, do they! :eyebrows:

"Proud?" said Harry. "Are you mad? All those times I could have died and I didn't manage it? They'll be furious ..."
And together they walked back through the gateway to the Muggle world.

"Godfather?" spluttered Uncle Vernon. "You haven't got a godfather!"
"Yes, I have," said Harry brightly. He was my mum and dad's best friend. He's a convicted murderer, but he's broken out of wizard prison and he's on the run. He likes to keep in touch with me, though ... keep up with my news ... check I'm happy ..."
And grinning broadly at the look of horror on Uncle Vernon's face, Harry set off towards the station exit, Hedwig ratting along in front of him, for what looked like a much better summer than the last.

Harry gives Fred and George his prize money to open a joke shop.

Instead, he smiled, raised a hand in farewell, turned around and led the way out of the station towards the sunlit street, with Uncle Vernon, Aunt Petunia and Dudley hurrying along in his wake.

he felt his heart lift at the thought that there was still one last golden day of peace left to enjoy with Ron and Hermione.

As you see, every book ends on a positive note, often a very funny one, despite the bad things that have happened.

They do don't they? That is one thing that I have really liked about them. I cannot see the last book ending much differently. Maybe with more intensity but surely not disappointingly with a field of bodies the trio included that we have all come to love. At this point I think it a plus that Harry never has to go back to Privet Lane...:lol: Now that! is a victory!

It's not gonna happen no way. Just think of the amount of unhappy children who will be traumatised if their hero was killed (not to mention me). I don't think she'll put him through all he has suffered just to bump him off at the end. "and neither can LIVE while the other survives" Harry can't truly live while LV is alive therefore he can live after

I will not be happy at all. Pretty mad actually. And like you said, MILLIONS of kids are going to be distraught.

Yes, I agree, all of the kids who read this series, which is truly meant to be a children's series, would be sad, many of the smaller ones might even cry, causing anger in the parents. But, this fact notwithstanding, it is necessary to look at the morals developed throughout the series. I have no doubt that some of the major characters (hopefully not one of the big 3) will be taken away, but only to stress the fact that war is not without consequence.

Also, this story, unlike the recently rejuvenated works of J.R. Tolkein and C.S. Lewis, does not have a strong Christian undertone as a major piece of its plot. Both the aforementioned adventures have a Chrisitan-like plot, in which one character gives his life (not necessarily to death) in order for the good of ALL others in their respective worlds (Frodo and Gandalf, and Aslan in the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe). These stories place much more emphasis on love and the consequences of war, as well as with the emotions involved with the two.

Like to hear any comments or questions about this.

I mean, but if Harry lives wont he be really bitter/traumatized because I figure if he doesn't die then either Ron or Hermoine will adding to the deaths of Sirius and Dumbledore, both of which Harry blames himself for.

in which one character gives his life (not necessarily to death) in order for the good of ALL others in their respective worlds (Frodo and Gandalf, and Aslan in the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe). These stories place much more emphasis on love and the consequences of war, as well as with the emotions involved with the two.

Interestingly, both Gandalf and Aslan's deaths were only temporary, as they both were "resurrected" by the power of their sacrifice. Death seems relative in those plotlines, as it is a common Christian belief that death is not the end of the story and not a thing to be feared. Which sounds eerily familiar, as Voldemort seems to fear death above all things. In contrast, Harry's greatest fear is not death (or Lord Voldemort) but fear and the loss of hope. So: if Harry does indeed die, who is to say that he doesn't reappear for an encore performance? Although the chances are slim, the series' prescedent is that death is very (very) permanent (remember our wild hopes that Siruis was not dead, just lost?).

Thus my speculations are divided and not very conclusive. His death would be horrible, since he's Harry and I want him to live to be 150 year old and be a wise, Dumbledore-like old man. Buuuttt, Harry's death would support all of the major themes presented throughout the series.
I mean, but if Harry lives wont he be really bitter/traumatized because I figure if he doesn't die then either Ron or Hermoine will adding to the deaths of Sirius and Dumbledore, both of which Harry blames himself for.

Do you believe that one of the trio are headed for the gallows in the next book? I'm not so sure, I think the only one on the chopping block is Harry. I am under the impression that Ron and Hermione are pretty safe from being killed off, either way. If Harry dies, they are responsible for maintaining his memory and helping to rebuild the wizarding world, and if Harry lives, they are responsible for living happily ever after (sunset not required).

Do you believe that one of the trio are headed for the gallows in the next book? I'm not so sure, I think the only one on the chopping block is Harry. I am under the impression that Ron and Hermione are pretty safe from being killed off, either way. If Harry dies, they are responsible for maintaining his memory and helping to rebuild the wizarding world, and if Harry lives, they are responsible for living happily ever after (sunset not required).

I think Harry will die. But I think that if he doesn't then one of the other members of the trio will sadly. But I kinda hope it's Harry since I like Hermoine and Ron more...

I want to share a piece of wisdom from my then 7 year old child, when we first read the books together. I'd warned her that she might find them scary, but her reaction was very clear: "Mummy, you said Harry Potter was scary, but it's not - it's funny!" And it is! Despite their darkness, these books are full of humour, not tragedy! And they always end on a light note.

Harry's isn't allowed to do magic in the holidays, but the Dursleys don't know that, do they! :eyebrows:

"Proud?" said Harry. "Are you mad? All those times I could have died and I didn't manage it? They'll be furious ..."
And together they walked back through the gateway to the Muggle world.

"Godfather?" spluttered Uncle Vernon. "You haven't got a godfather!"
"Yes, I have," said Harry brightly. He was my mum and dad's best friend. He's a convicted murderer, but he's broken out of wizard prison and he's on the run. He likes to keep in touch with me, though ... keep up with my news ... check I'm happy ..."
And grinning broadly at the look of horror on Uncle Vernon's face, Harry set off towards the station exit, Hedwig ratting along in front of him, for what looked like a much better summer than the last.

Harry gives Fred and George his prize money to open a joke shop.

Instead, he smiled, raised a hand in farewell, turned around and led the way out of the station towards the sunlit street, with Uncle Vernon, Aunt Petunia and Dudley hurrying along in his wake.

he felt his heart lift at the thought that there was still one last golden day of peace left to enjoy with Ron and Hermione.

As you see, every book ends on a positive note, often a very funny one, despite the bad things that have happened.

And we'll still have Ron. I know, I'm awkward :D But I think Ron and Hermione will understand that it's up to them to do the "whole new world" dealy and move on with their memories. Heck, I wouldn't even begrudge them a Simba moment :lol: Like Weazleby said:

Do you believe that one of the trio are headed for the gallows in the next book? I'm not so sure, I think the only one on the chopping block is Harry. I am under the impression that Ron and Hermione are pretty safe from being killed off, either way. If Harry dies, they are responsible for maintaining his memory and helping to rebuild the wizarding world, and if Harry lives, they are responsible for living happily ever after (sunset not required).

I also think that would be a pretty positive thought; the normal guy and the smart-but-still-normal girl go on to kick *** in Harry's memory, whilst he goes on the next great adventure. And since we're all pretty normal (well, I am, I don't know about any of you), that would be another positive point, you know - look what *we* can do.

However, I still don't know whether I think he'll die properly, temporarily, or not at all (I change my mind a lot), so I'm not sure why I'm debating for one side ^_^

Yes. But he'll take Voldemort down as well if he does. As an earlier poster said, it will be an altruistic death, which will make it a lot easier to take, imo.

I don't think I'm being cynical, I just don't believe that Harry flying off into the sunset with Ginny on the back of his Firebolt to become the Seeker for the Chudley Cannons would work for the story. As much as it pains me to say it, a happy ending for Harry would tick me off.

A positive ending, however, would be nice. Something along the lines of Harry's death not being in vain, etc.

Harry'll live for
Emotional reasons: There 's going to be a boom in reservations for children
psychiatrists in Juli when it turns out Harry's dead
Practical reasons: we usually follow Harry and see things happening in Harrys point of view and than it would suddenly change to the point of view of someone else for the last 20-30 pages?
Logical reasons: the prophecy states Harry 'll kill Voldermort or Voldemort kills Harry
option 1 Bittersweet ending ; the reign of terror has stopped but Harry has propably lost someone dear to him
option 2 totally depressing ending ;our hero is gone together with all hope to vanquish the Dark Lord

A positive ending, however, would be nice. Something along the lines of Harry's death not being in vain, etc.
Agreed, if Harry takes down Voldemort and saves Ron and Hermione, then his death will definately not be in vain. That's one of the messages in the story, there are things worth dying for. Harry knows this, and he wants to make sure that if someone dies, it will be him, not his friends.
Harry'll live for
Emotional reasons: There 's going to be a boom in reservations for children
psychiatrists in Juli when it turns out Harry's dead
Practical reasons: we usually follow Harry and see things happening in Harrys point of view and than it would suddenly change to the point of view of someone else for the last 20-30 pages?
Logical reasons: the prophecy states Harry 'll kill Voldermort or Voldemort kills Harry
option 1 Bittersweet ending ; the reign of terror has stopped but Harry has propably lost someone dear to him
option 2 totally depressing ending ;our hero is gone together with all hope to vanquish the Dark Lord
I hope it will not come to those emotional reasons you mentioned, really. Shock and surprise is one thing, but psychiatrists?
As for the practical reasons, well, they have done it before. After Harrys death (if it should happen), it would probably not be many words before the epilogue. The same goes for if he survives.
The logical reasons are the most logical :lol: reason. But Harry could very well die alongside with Voldemort, or after. But then again, he might as well survive, unlogically.
I think option 1 might very well happen. I'll just hope Hermione is not the one to go. That would tick me off the most, seeing as this would be a way to make Harry grieve, but still have his best friend and love interest alive, like a safety net.

My theory is that Harry, if he dies, will somehow sacrifice himself for someone. I just don't see how it will be done. The image of a ruined wasteland, a bright light and the rising sun in the mist is stuck in my head and refuses to leave.

The image of a ruined wasteland, a bright light and the rising sun in the mist is stuck in my head and refuses to leave.

Oh wow, are you me, by any chance? :blush: Because I've had that kind of scene in my head for months now, and it's such an awesome moment; you know, hopeful and beautiful and optimistic in spite of it all. It also has "Can't take it in" off the Narnia soundtrack playing in the background (which is so going to be my book 7 song, btw) :lol: I'd love it if it ended that way, even though it would reduce me to a sobbing wreck. Though I'm fairly certain that however it ends I'm going to be like that, so maybe I'm not the best judge...

Oh wow, are you me, by any chance? :blush: Because I've had that kind of scene in my head for months now, and it's such an awesome moment; you know, hopeful and beautiful and optimistic in spite of it all. It also has "Can't take it in" off the Narnia soundtrack playing in the background (which is so going to be my book 7 song, btw) :lol: I'd love it if it ended that way, even though it would reduce me to a sobbing wreck. Though I'm fairly certain that however it ends I'm going to be like that, so maybe I'm not the best judge...
Yeah, tell me about it. That ending is kind of the typical "the big evil is destroyed, and the morning sun cleans the ruined valley of its evil" while the survivors straggles to their feet and gets out of the cave or collapsed building. :lol: And there is always alot of mist, for some reason.

I'm pretty sure I'm not you. :blush: Being male and all that. But then again, I've been wrong before.

Harry'll live for
Emotional reasons: There 's going to be a boom in reservations for children
psychiatrists in Juli when it turns out Harry's dead

Yikes. I don't like your world at all. :p

I think most of the folks who have read the book thus far may be expecting something like this. I know (hope) you're kidding, but I just don't see folks getting as riled up as that.

Practical reasons: we usually follow Harry and see things happening in Harrys point of view and than it would suddenly change to the point of view of someone else for the last 20-30 pages?

Yeah, but occasionally the POV has switched and it's worked well. That whole scene with Hermione setting fire to Snape's robes during that first fraught with danger Quidditch match in SS for example.

We'll see. To be honest I haven't the faintest notion how I want Book 7 to play out. At first I thought I wanted the Trio back in school, but that seems a little wrong. But so does the Trio heading to Godric's Hollow, when they don't know how to proceed.

Can't wait for the book! Whatever JKR wrote I will devour with enthusiasm and enjoyment.

i want harry to die (as horrid as that sounds) because any other ending would be unfinnished and would leave a hundread thousand questions eg. did he get married, did he become an auror, what are his kids (if he has any) going to be like.
i want him to die because that will make an ending that is worthy of the books, i want harry to go out with a bang though.
then again i do have to aqdmit that all the books have ended on a high note so i doubt it will be any different with this one.

Yeah, tell me about it. That ending is kind of the typical "the big evil is destroyed, and the morning sun cleans the ruined valley of its evil" while the survivors straggles to their feet and gets out of the cave or collapsed building. :lol: And there is always alot of mist, for some reason.


Well, I am a Buffy fan. Which reminds me, I really loved that ending... I would like something like that for HP. Though only two of the main characters died, so I guess that depends on your perspective...

Yeah, but occasionally the POV has switched and it's worked well. That whole scene with Hermione setting fire to Snape's robes during that first fraught with danger Quidditch match in SS for example.

I think we'll get Ron's POV if Harry dies. In their first fight as a Trio (the troll), there's a part from Ron's perspective which makes me think it would go that way.

Edit: Numbers and me don't mix *sigh*

i want harry to die (as horrid as that sounds) because any other ending would be unfinnished and would leave a hundread thousand questions eg. did he get married, did he become an auror, what are his kids (if he has any) going to be like.
i want him to die because that will make an ending that is worthy of the books, i want harry to go out with a bang though.
then again i do have to aqdmit that all the books have ended on a high note so i doubt it will be any different with this one.

Yeah, it's sad, but Harry's death seems like it would be the most complete ending doesn't it?

Okay, so after finishing HBP my very first thought was: "oh no, Harry is a Horocrux". However, while recently thinking about it I realized Harry CAN'T be because why would Voldemort be so determined to kill him? Why would he voluntarily put part of his precious soul into the boy he planned on killing? It doesn't make sense.

Well, I am a Buffy fan. Which reminds me, I really loved that ending... I would like something like that for HP. Though only one of the main characters died, so I guess that depends on your perspective...
It's been a while since I watched it, but yes, season 5,6,7 had powerful endings one never forgets. If that was to be done with the last Harry Potter book/movie, it would be something to remember, that's for sure.

I think we'll get Ron's POV if Harry dies. In their first fight as a Trio (the troll), there's a part from Ron's perspective which makes me think it would go that way.
That makes sense, and I agree with it. Ron has been Harrys sidekick for 6 years and will continue to be his friend and support (I hope and think so, at least) through book 7. It would only be fitting if we got the last moments from his view. Would be about time, sometimes one just want to know what in the world's name he's thinking. :lol:

Okay, so after finishing HBP my very first thought was: "oh no, Harry is a Horocrux". However, while recently thinking about it I realized Harry CAN'T be because why would Voldemort be so determined to kill him? Why would he voluntarily put part of his precious soul into the boy he planned on killing? It doesn't make sense.

Because killing Harry wont destroy the Horcrux, I don't think. I think Voldemort's soul would be fine in a dead body as it would in a live one.

Because killing Harry wont destroy the Horcrux, I don't think. I think Voldemort's soul would be fine in a dead body as it would in a live one. For a while, maybe, but a dead body will degrade over time, making it a less-than-ideal hiding spot. No, I think it's a valid point, Harry can't be a Horcrux if Voldemort is trying to kill him.

For a while, maybe, but a dead body will degrade over time, making it a less-than-ideal hiding spot. No, I think it's a valid point, Harry can't be a Horcrux if Voldemort is trying to kill him.

There's no way, in all the magic Voldemort has, to preserve the body?
And I think Harry being a Horcrux was an accident. I think Voldemort intended to make a Horcrux that night at Godric's Hollow, but when his AK backfired it inadvertently triggered the Horcrux spell.

Yeah, I agree. To just say "Happily ever after" would kinda demean all the strugge the characters went through throughout the series.

Demean it? In my opinion, it would make it all worthwhile. If Harry dies, he will have lived a miserable life and never gotten a chance to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

Demean it? In my opinion, it would make it all worthwhile. If Harry dies, he will have lived a miserable life and never gotten a chance to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

It will demean it in the sense that for all the talk of Voldemort being the most powerful Dark wizard ever he can't kill a couple of kids? And gets taken down by a single kid? That would make it seem like either they were misinformed about his powers, or that be must not have been so bad when he first came to power.

There's no way, in all the magic Voldemort has, to preserve the body?
Ok, eeeeuw! :lol:

i want harry to die (as horrid as that sounds) because any other ending would be unfinnished and would leave a hundread thousand questions eg. did he get married, did he become an auror, what are his kids (if he has any) going to be like.
i want him to die because that will make an ending that is worthy of the books, i want harry to go out with a bang though.
then again i do have to aqdmit that all the books have ended on a high note so i doubt it will be any different with this one.
I have to confess that I have no problems at all with Harry having a future after the end of book 7, even if I never find out who he marries/divorces, how many children he has, or how he succeeds with his career plans! The vast majority of children's books end without the main character dying, and this isn't generally considered to be unsatisfactory! I have no problems with him flying off into the sunset with Ginny, or standing in the ruins of Hogwarts wondering how to pick up the pieces, or even waking up in St Mungos with Hermione and Ron at his bedside. The end of the series does not have to mean the end of Harry's life.

I have to confess that I have no problems at all with Harry having a future after the end of book 7, even if I never find out who he marries/divorces, how many children he has, or how he succeeds with his career plans! The vast majority of children's books end without the main character dying, and this isn't generally considered to be unsatisfactory!

This series was never written specifically for children...JK said this herself, she was just writing. Her publisher/Agent decided the target audience. The *childish* style of her writing, through dialogue and content, is only due to the fact that she is actually writing about young people :P

I have no problems with him flying off into the sunset with Ginny, or standing in the ruins of Hogwarts wondering how to pick up the pieces, or even waking up in St Mungos with Hermione and Ron at his bedside. The end of the series does not have to mean the end of Harry's life.

The "and he lived happily ever after" theme is too cliche. I would be dissapointed if the series ended like this, and JK's standard of writing would drop many notches in my opinion.

As for Harry actually achieving peace, love, happiness through a live with Ginny and all that...He is only 16 (17 when he finally snuffs it of course) Any semblance of a prospective life after the war, is not on his mind, and never will be...he is only 16/17 He is not thinking about these things at this age.

His driving force is nobility/courage/revenge. Not a desire for a normal life. If Harry's motivation as the hero was desire for normality, why is he planning on pursuing the Horcruxes and Voldemort to begin with? A hero's motivation is what fuels him during his journey in a story, his desire to "see him [Voldemort] finished" and "be the one to do it" (quotes from HBP unsure of page) is what drives him to action. A peaceful life is not relevant to the final plot in anyway, it is just a device created to portray anger and frustration within Harry.

It will demean it in the sense that for all the talk of Voldemort being the most powerful Dark wizard ever he can't kill a couple of kids? And gets taken down by a single kid? That would make it seem like either they were misinformed about his powers, or that be must not have been so bad when he first came to power.

For all the talk of Voldemort being so powerful, you would think that he wouldn't be stripped of a body by a one year-old baby, right?

His driving force is nobility/courage/revenge. Not a desire for a normal life. If Harry's motivation as the hero was desire for normality, why is he planning on pursuing the Horcruxes and Voldemort to begin with?

Because he knows that he can never have a normal life until Voldemort is gone, because Voldemort will continue trying to kill him.

This series was never written specifically for children...JK said this herself, she was just writing. Her publisher/Agent decided the target audience. The *childish* style of her writing, through dialogue and content, is only due to the fact that she is actually writing about young people :P


The "and he lived happily ever after" theme is too cliche. I would be dissapointed if the series ended like this, and JK's standard of writing would drop many notches in my opinion.

As for Harry actually achieving peace, love, happiness through a live with Ginny and all that...He is only 16 (17 when he finally snuffs it of course) Any semblance of a prospective life after the war, is not on his mind, and never will be...he is only 16/17 He is not thinking about these things at this age.

His driving force is nobility/courage/revenge. Not a desire for a normal life. If Harry's motivation as the hero was desire for normality, why is he planning on pursuing the Horcruxes and Voldemort to begin with? A hero's motivation is what fuels him during his journey in a story, his desire to "see him [Voldemort] finished" and "be the one to do it" (quotes from HBP unsure of page) is what drives him to action. A peaceful life is not relevant to the final plot in anyway, it is just a device created to portray anger and frustration within Harry.

Whether JKR had a target audience in mind or not she originally wrote these for her daughters entertainment..I believe she was a child at the time. I don't find that the writing style has changed over the years only that the characters have grown up and the stories with them. Usually we read one or two levels above our abilities to learn and one or two below our abilities to be entertained. I have never thought of these books as "adult fare" only young peoples literature that I also enjoy. I do not find Harry and his friends as sophisticated as I do many of the young people on this board as far as vocabulary is concerned so I still see these books as written for a younger audience.

I do not feel that anyone living a well earned quiet life is a cliche' either. I really don't believe that JKR standard of writing would suffer due to a happy ending. As far as Harry not even thinking about a future life what would be the point of what he is doing if he did not? I do not think that people who are only bent on revenge are usually noble nor do I believe that your emotional and mental stamina would last very long if those were the only things you had going for you. If you do not have a prize at the end of a long hard journey there is a good chance your journey will not be successful. At least as far as this type of journey goes.





Because he knows that he can never have a normal life until Voldemort is gone, because Voldemort will continue trying to kill him.

Otherwise why bother with any of this? Why not just let Voldemort have his way and not worry about it anymore. I think that Harry definitely wants a normal wizards life (what ever that is) along with everything else that would bring.


I have to confess that I have no problems at all with Harry having a future after the end of book 7, even if I never find out who he marries/divorces, how many children he has, or how he succeeds with his career plans! The vast majority of children's books end without the main character dying, and this isn't generally considered to be unsatisfactory! I have no problems with him flying off into the sunset with Ginny, or standing in the ruins of Hogwarts wondering how to pick up the pieces, or even waking up in St Mungos with Hermione and Ron at his bedside. The end of the series does not have to mean the end of Harry's life.

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I do not feel that anyone living a well earned quiet life is a cliche' either. I really don't believe that JKR standard of writing would suffer due to a happy ending. As far as Harry not even thinking about a future life what would be the point of what he is doing if he did not? I do not think that people who are only bent on revenge are usually noble nor do I believe that your emotional and mental stamina would last very long if those were the only things you had going for you. If you do not have a prize at the end of a long hard journey there is a good chance your journey will not be successful. At least as far as this type of journey goes.

This would imply that he is only going to be questing and destroying the Horcruxes, and Voldemort, to further his own ends. That of a quiet, peaceful life. This kind of sounds selfish to me, and not like Harry at all. Isn't the end purpose of destroying the evil tyrant (Voldemort) to put an end to the murder and abuse of innocents? Essentially to make the wizarding world a more stable and safe place? This is the nobility I mentioned, one of the factors powering him.

Harry said this himself, in HBP I believe with internal dialogue. I wish I had the exact quote and page number. It was during his chat with Dumbledore, when Albus had asked him what his feelings would be for Voldemort if he never heard the prophecy. He considered all the loss of life, the murder of the innocents and his family/friends and said he would want to see him dead, and be the one to do it. He didn't think, "if Voldemort is dead, I could live in peace" he thought of others.

(BTW if anyone has this quote Im talking about could you please post it? I dont have my copy of the book at work with me)

For all the talk of Voldemort being so powerful, you would think that he wouldn't be stripped of a body by a one year-old baby, right?


Come on now, you, I, and Harry knows that it was really nothing to do with him that stopped Voldemort. It was a spell that Lily put on Harry inadvertently. And even stopped in this case is relative because if he was stopped, what's all this nonsense he's up to now?

The thing is, I totally see Harry as being bent on revenge. Whenever he thinks of his parents dying, his "famous" temper flares up and he's even tried to AK someone.

The thing is, I totally see Harry as being bent on revenge. Whenever he thinks of his parents dying, his "famous" temper flares up and he's even tried to AK someone.

This would imply that he is only going to be questing and destroying the Horcruxes, and Voldemort, to further his own ends. That of a quiet, peaceful life. This kind of sounds selfish to me, and not like Harry at all. Isn't the end purpose of destroying the evil tyrant (Voldemort) to put an end to the murder and abuse of innocents? Essentially to make the wizarding world a more stable and safe place? This is the nobility I mentioned, one of the factors powering him.

Harry said this himself, in HBP I believe with internal dialogue. I wish I had the exact quote and page number. It was during his chat with Dumbledore, when Albus had asked him what his feelings would be for Voldemort if he never heard the prophecy. He considered all the loss of life, the murder of the innocents and his family/friends and said he would want to see him dead, and be the one to do it. He didn't think, "if Voldemort is dead, I could live in peace" he thought of others.

(BTW if anyone has this quote Im talking about could you please post it? I dont have my copy of the book at work with me)

The passage you are speaking of is in the chapter entitled Horcruxes pages 509-512.
The discussion was in part about the prophecy. Dumbledore said that Harry was putting to much store in the prophecy.

Dumbledore said this-
"If Voldemort had never heard of the prophecy would it have been fulfilled? Would it have meant anything?Of course not! Do you think every prophecy in the Hall of Prophecy has been fulfilled?"

"But," said Harry bewildered, "but last year you said one of us would have to kill the other-"

"Harry,Harry, only because Voldemort made a grave error, and acted on Trelawney's words! If Voldemort had never murdered your father, would he have imparted to you a furious desire for revenge? Of course not! If he had not forced your mother to die for you would he have given you a magical protection he could not penetrate?Of course not, Harry! Don't you see? Voldemort himself created his worst enemy, just as tyrants everywhere do! Have you any idea how much tyrants fear the people they oppress?All of them realize that one day amongst their many victims there is sure to be one who rises against them and strikes back! Voldemort is no different! Always he was on the lookout forthe one who would challenge him.He heard the prophecy and he leapt into action with the result that he not only hand picked the man most likely to finish him,he handed him uniquely deadly weapons."

Dumbledore then discusses how it is Voldemorts fault that Harry can see into his mind without harm whereas Voldemort cannot do this without pain.He also mentions even because of this connection Harry has never shown any propensity to join Voldemorts Death Eaters.

Harry says "Of course I haven't! He killed my mum and dad!"

when Harry continues and says that he has got to try to kill him..."or" Dumbledore says

"Got to?" "Of course you've got to! But not because of the prophecy! Because you, yourself,will never rest until you've tried! We both know it! Imagine, please, for just a
moment, that you had never heard of that prophecy! How would you feel about Voldemort now? Think!"

Harry thinks of everyone that has been harmed by Voldemort and says that he would want " him finished" and that "I'de want to do it."

So there wasn't any internal dialogue Harry simply answered Dumbledore's question. I do not find anything here that leads me to believe that Harry isn't thinking about the future, his or anyone else, the conversation only comprises the prophecy and how Voldemort's reaction to it had set it in motion to begin with it really wasn't a discussion about Harry's hopes and dreams. It had more to do with the reasons that he was stuck in the mess to begin with.

I never thought that Harry was only doing this for himself, that has been obvious throughout the book, however, that does not mean that Harry doesn't hope for a positive conclusion to the quest for everyone including himself. Harry simply knows that he may not survive the final battle and is willing to "walk ino the arena with head held high" That is the noble and altruistic part to me and I do not find that that would mean that if he is successful and had the opportunity for a normal life he would say ...

"Oh No...I did this out of revenge and a noble attitude and for the love of others. This was never about me so if you don't mind I will go and live in a cave and wear sackcloth and ashes forever. I am ashamed that I didn't die because now it looks like I may have wanted something for myself."

"Oh No...I did this out of revenge and a noble attitude and for the love of others. This was never about me so if you don't mind I will go and live in a cave and wear sackcloth and ashes forever. I am ashamed that I didn't die because now it looks like I may have wanted something for myself."

Again, that's an extreme way of looking at it. Of course he would like to live a normal life if he wins. But that may prove impossible. After all he goes through, if he lives, he might be better off pulling a Frodo.

Again, that's an extreme way of looking at it. Of course he would like to live a normal life if he wins. But that may prove impossible. After all he goes through, if he lives, he might be better off pulling a Frodo.

:lol: Well of course it is extreme. So is thinking that the only way Harry can truely be victorious and not look as though he was in it just for himself is to die. But that seems to be the only acceptable option with more than one person on this board.:lol:


DIE! HARRY, DIE! NO HAPPINESS FOR YOU,YOU CRUD. DIE! :rotfl:
Maybe if Harry does die all of his fans should run off a cliff like a crowd of Lemmings otherwise JKRs point has not been made or understood. :lol:

:gryff: :gryff: Even as a huge HP fan I have to say that he will probaly die if he wants the book to end well enough. It would probaly end something like this, in order for Harry to defeat Lord Voldemort he will have to kill himself. Why someone might ask is that Harry is obviously a Horcrux, the night that voldemort tried to kill harry he ended up putting a piece of miself into harry connecting the two. So in order to have voldemort dead harry will have to destroy all the horcrux's and then kill himself and let somebody else finish the job of killing voldemort. There is also another question does harry fear death and if he dies will he come back as a ghost. I know, I know everyone thinks that he doesn't fear much of anything but everybody has some kind of fear. So yeh I regret it saying it but yeh he sorta has to die or else JKR is going to have to continue to write more books until the job is done even though it will suck for the series to end.
Prongs

:lol: Well of course it is extreme. So is thinking that the only way Harry can truely be victorious and not look as though he was in it just for himself is to die. But that seems to be the only acceptable option with more than one person on this board.:lol:

Nah..I was merely trying to explain my perspective on Harry's motivation (hero motivation) as being his nobility etc. Not this desire for peace. Certain opinions have been projecting the image of a deserved peaceful life as evidence for him to survive through the story, which doesn't make sense as it never was a motivating part of his character.

I just seem to think that the only way for the story to come full circle is for him to die. (Sacrifice himself and take out Voldemort at the same time)

feh...I say he'll live

Demean it? In my opinion, it would make it all worthwhile. If Harry dies, he will have lived a miserable life and never gotten a chance to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

You think Harry's had a miserable life? Really? I'd agree he had a less than stellar childhood, but he was clearly loved- so much that his mother died for him, he gained entrance into this incredible world, made some truly good friends- one could even say a family, found hope, found love, found out that he's capable of great good, and found a real home. It hasn't all been roses, but I personally wouldn't say miserable.

Miserable would have been if Hagrid had never rescued him from the Dursley's when he was 11. Or if he never met Sirius.

The really exciting thing about this book, to me, is that I have no clue what's going to happen, only that the ending probably won't be a traditional happy ending. I do, however, have every confidence that JKR is going to do right by her creation.

I'd say the most miserable ending of all would be if Harry defeated Voldemort but was stripped of everything he holds dear- his friends, his memories of Hogwarts, and his powers. Now that would be truly awful, imo.

You think Harry's had a miserable life? Really? I'd agree he had a less than stellar childhood, but he was clearly loved- so much that his mother died for him, he gained entrance into this incredible world, made some truly good friends- one could even say a family, found hope, found love, found out that he's capable of great good, and found a real home. It hasn't all been roses, but I personally wouldn't say miserable.

OK, maybe "miserable" is a bit extreme, but I don't think it's been very happy, overall. He hasn't lived a year of his life (except maybe the first one) where he hasn't been either tormented by his cousin or looking over his shoulder to see if someone's coming up behind him to kill him, or something of the sort. Think of his life compared to Ron's or Hermione's, for instance. He's always had to live under this cloud of Voldemort, and I really feel he needs to live to see that cloud gone from his life.


The really exciting thing about this book, to me, is that I have no clue what's going to happen, only that the ending probably won't be a traditional happy ending. I do, however, have every confidence that JKR is going to do right by her creation.

I agree with that; it would really bother me if only one or two people Harry cares about die, for instance. I don't think it would necessarily be a "traditional happy ending" if Harry lives, or even if the trio plus Ginny all live. But I agree that there needs to be some (more) sadness in Harry's future, or his victory will be too easy, without sacrifice.

You think Harry's had a miserable life?
Jo thinks he's had a miserable life. Someone asked which character she would like to be and she said not Harry because she know's what's coming to him. She also comments on what a rough time he has. I really hope she'll make it up to him now, though. Harry deserves a good life!

I don't think Harry is going to die but at the same time I do.

If Harry lived that means the series would continue.
But!
JK Rowling simply enjoys doing what we least expect. She knows that all of us are expecting Harry to die during the seventh book. So she might use that knowledge and make him not die at all!

WHo knows! :)

If Harry lived that means the series would continue.
I don't agree with this. We know the series is over with this book, but that doesn't mean Harry's life it over. This series is about his childhood and coming of age. So it makes sense to end it with his emergence into adult life.

No!
jkr WOUDNT just kill one of the best characters ever in books .
She knows how many peole likes harry potter, she konws that no matter how way she kills him , it will make people sad and very angry with her.
No matter what people say that harry has to die , cus is the last book and if she doesnt kill him other authors will write stories about him....
its up to jkr...she wouldnt do that to us ...she just wouldnt...

:lol: Well of course it is extreme. So is thinking that the only way Harry can truely be victorious and not look as though he was in it just for himself is to die. But that seems to be the only acceptable option with more than one person on this board.:lol:


DIE! HARRY, DIE! NO HAPPINESS FOR YOU,YOU CRUD. DIE! :rotfl:
Maybe if Harry does die all of his fans should run off a cliff like a crowd of Lemmings otherwise JKRs point has not been made or understood. :lol:

I think it's that you're missing the point. The whole book is basically about love and self-sacrifice. That's how it started, and I suppose many people believe that will be the most appropriate ending. With Harry's ultimate sacrifice. Anything else would seem not as fitting after all we've seen about people sacrificing themselves and dying for what they love and believe in.

i really agree with you

i really think that harry will survive

No!
jkr WOUDNT just kill one of the best characters ever in books .
She knows how many peole likes harry potter, she konws that no matter how way she kills him , it will make people sad and very angry with her.
No matter what people say that harry has to die , cus is the last book and if she doesnt kill him other authors will write stories about him....
its up to jkr...she wouldnt do that to us ...she just wouldnt...

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You know I do not understand why people seem to think that anyone else would be able to write stories about Harry or any other character in these books. They are copyright protected and no one can write anything at all about her characters without her permission if they also have the intent of publishing them and making money. That is why publishing houses have a legal section and writers have agents and personal secretaries that answer the questions both legal and fan generated. Most of the time they don't even answer their own fan mail they do not have time. Fan fiction here is a different thing but I am sure that if you took any of these stories and decided to put them in a Mugglenet book with the idea of publishing them you would get a letter saying very nicely "Please don't or you will be hearing from my lawyers". No one can do anything Potter related without permissions. I do not see why anyone thinks that that is an issue. Doyle (Holmes) did not want to write anymore Sherlock Holmes stories and tried to kill him off more than once. Actually a rather weak attitude..."just say no" usually works if you say it like you mean it.
I always felt that when JKR made the remark that it wouldcertainly keep others from writing about him that she was being flip...joking. Otherwise she would be admitting that she had no control of her own works.:err:

I don't think that Harry will die for this reason anyway. It wouldn't make a lot of sense and would be needless. Now if she ends Harry's life for another reason connected to the books that is something else again.

I still don't think she will do that, although, he may come very close. :grumble:

No!
jkr WOUDNT just kill one of the best characters ever in books .
She knows how many peole likes harry potter, she konws that no matter how way she kills him , it will make people sad and very angry with her.
No matter what people say that harry has to die , cus is the last book and if she doesnt kill him other authors will write stories about him....
its up to jkr...she wouldnt do that to us ...she just wouldnt...

I don't think JK has ever cared how many of us love/hate her. If she did she'd be reading this message board along with the rest of us and getting ideas by popular demand on how to continue the series. And she herself has admitted to writing in a very organic style, so it's less what she wants to happen to the characters, but what the characters have to do and how it will turn out for them. So if Harry is going to die, as much as JK likes Harry, she may see it as unavoidable.

i am on the fence here...i would hope and pray that Harry would survive the ultimate face off with Voldemort, but i hate to say it but the series would continue by someone else if Harry survives. Nothing will be set in stone until page 784 of Deathly Hallows is read.

Happy reading everyone!!!
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With Rowling, it is hard to tell. I don't think he will, though, and I hope he doesn't. That said, I doubt he'll get through the final book completely physically unharmed.

I hope he doesn't die. I also don't want him to come out of Deathly Hallows completely unscathed, either. I want him to finally live free of Voldemort. Maybe become an auror or something.

With Rowling, it is hard to tell. I don't think he will, though, and I hope he doesn't. That said, I doubt he'll get through the final book completely physically unharmed.

Well, yeah, that's definitely true, but I don't think there has been a book yet where he hasn't been physically damaged...broken arms, basilisk bite, blasted with various spells, cut by Wormtail...

I don't think that he is going to die. Harry knows pritty good spells, so I think he will be fine. I am sure he will fight Voldemort but, I think that Harry will kill Voldemort once and for all. :cool:

Yes, but how does Harry Live a normal life??? He would grow up and not live a normal life so she cant say: he lived happily ever after. So in my opinion he has to die

I don't believe that Harry will die. I think that since he has been teaching DADA classes to his fellow members of DA. He will be asked to teach even though he will only be 18.
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I don't believe that Harry will die. I think that since he has been teaching DADA classes to his fellow members of DA. He will be asked to teach even though he will only be 18.
:hmm:

That actually would be pretty cool. I think it's really unlikely, but I think it would be cool.

I don't think JK has ever cared how many of us love/hate her. If she did she'd be reading this message board along with the rest of us and getting ideas by popular demand on how to continue the series. And she herself has admitted to writing in a very organic style, so it's less what she wants to happen to the characters, but what the characters have to do and how it will turn out for them. So if Harry is going to die, as much as JK likes Harry, she may see it as unavoidable.



actually i think she does care , not only that but she must .If she is clever enough she had proobably read on of those forums out there.
actually i think she had already admitted that!Remember when she said something about Bob Squarepants?And she had read something about it in this forum?

I'm not saying she goes here to pick up ideas for the series, i'm just saying she values our opinion and consider it in a important subject.Especially in a harry-is-going-to-die-subject...

Jo thinks he's had a miserable life. Someone asked which character she would like to be and she said not Harry because she know's what's coming to him. She also comments on what a rough time he has. I really hope she'll make it up to him now, though. Harry deserves a good life!

So is JKR is the final word? Meh. She wrote it, she left it up to me to draw my own conclusions as a reader so I stand by my opinion.

True, Harry has had a rough time of it, but JKR gave him friends, adventure, love, and a place where he can realize his potential. That, imo, is a life that is far from miserable. Trying, but not really miserable.

actually i think she does care , not only that but she must .If she is clever enough she had proobably read on of those forums out there.
actually i think she had already admitted that!Remember when she said something about Bob Squarepants?And she had read something about it in this forum?

I'm not saying she goes here to pick up ideas for the series, i'm just saying she values our opinion and consider it in a important subject.Especially in a harry-is-going-to-die-subject...

She must what? She must care what we think? That's simply untrue. I mean, she may care, but I really doubt it. And she's in no way obligated to please us. She's writing these books for herself and daughter. Not us. As much as we may like to think so.

actually i think she does care , not only that but she must .If she is clever enough she had proobably read on of those forums out there.
actually i think she had already admitted that!Remember when she said something about Bob Squarepants?And she had read something about it in this forum?

I'm not saying she goes here to pick up ideas for the series, i'm just saying she values our opinion and consider it in a important subject.Especially in a harry-is-going-to-die-subject...

She may have(in fact, I think she has) visited forums before, but not to use our opinions to write her book. I'm positive she's had Harry's fate planned out from Book 1, and I highly doubt it has changed, especially not because of what the readers want.

I don't believe that Harry will die. I think that since he has been teaching DADA classes to his fellow members of DA. He will be asked to teach even though he will only be 18.
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Sorry, but I got this from www.accioquote.org:, Oct 12,1999 interview (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/1999/1099-connectiontransc2.htm#p24)

Kathleen: Anyway, it's very exciting; we just love Harry Potter, so we're curious - well - first of all we can't wait for books four, five, six and seven [JKR: OK], but after that, we're curious as to whether Harry is going to have a life after Hogwarts? Or if maybe Harry might be a Hogwarts teacher?

JKR: Erm, well, because all your kids said hello so nicely in the background there, I'm going to give you information I haven't given anyone else, and I will tell you that one of the characters - er - one of - one of Harry's class mates, though it's not Harry himself, does end up a teacher at Hogwarts, but it is not maybe the one you'd think - hint, hint, hint! So, yes one of them does end up staying at Hogwarts, but - erm ...

Lydon: Does the kids want to have a guess at it, Kathleen?

Kathleen: Do you like to have a guess at who it is?

Class: Ron

Kathleen: They say Ron ...

JKR: Noooo - it's not Ron ...

Kathleen: [to class] it's not Ron ...

JKR: ... because I can't see Ron as a teacher, no way.

I'm positive she's had Harry's fate planned out from Book 1, and I highly doubt it has changed, especially not because of what the readers want.

You're right. She was quoted as saying she's happy to be writing the ending she planned before she even wrote the first book.

If Jo kills him off, I'll be able to respect it as it's what she's wanted all along. But that doesn't mean I'll be happy.

If Jo kills him off, I'll be able to respect it as it's what she's wanted all along. But that doesn't mean I'll be happy.

The funny thing is...if she's asked, she'll probably say that's not what she wanted but what she had to do.

I personally think that Harry, Ron, and Hermione will live. I don't think that it would be fair to separate Ron and Hermione just when they are finally in the stages of accepting their love for each other. If one of them dies, the other has to go too because the survivor would be absolutely miserable the rest of their life. By this same token Since Harry has just discovered his love for Ginny, it would be unfair to separate the two of them.
Maybe this is just wishful thinking and my hopes for books seven, but I honestly think that they will all three make it through. I know that in real life this would be "unrealistic" but so is a school of little witches and wizards. I just think it would make a better and more wholesome story. I mean why would young children just starting the books want to read all 7 if they knew that the main character dies?! Just a thought.
My picks for dying in book 7 are Hagrid, possibly Lupin (yes I know he has Tonks now but I think it would be rather poetic for him to rejoin James and Sirius), Malfoy, most of the Death Eaters, and possibly Snape.
Well those are my thoughts! :-)

I personally think that Harry, Ron, and Hermione will live. I don't think that it would be fair to separate Ron and Hermione just when they are finally in the stages of accepting their love for each other. If one of them dies, the other has to go too because the survivor would be absolutely miserable the rest of their life. By this same token Since Harry has just discovered his love for Ginny, it would be unfair to separate the two of them.
Maybe this is just wishful thinking and my hopes for books seven, but I honestly think that they will all three make it through. I know that in real life this would be "unrealistic" but so is a school of little witches and wizards. I just think it would make a better and more wholesome story. I mean why would young children just starting the books want to read all 7 if they knew that the main character dies?! Just a thought.
My picks for dying in book 7 are Hagrid, possibly Lupin (yes I know he has Tonks now but I think it would be rather poetic for him to rejoin James and Sirius), Malfoy, most of the Death Eaters, and possibly Snape.
Well those are my thoughts! :-)

What is all this love? Harry can't love Ginny...they've dated for about 3 days. Likewise for Ron and Hermoine. They're attracted to each other, they like each other, they are not in love, except, perhaps in a friends way. And Harry and Ginny are definitely not in love/love each other. Not yet anyway.

I dont think he should die..I mean all his life he's been haunted by Voldemort..It basically because of Voldemort that his parents, Sirius and Dumbledore are dead..And after finally killing Voldemort(hopefully)..I dont think its fair that he dies..He should be alive to finally be free of that whole "chosen one" thing and for once just enjoy his life..
Right?

i agree with most other threads here, that if harry dies it'll be killing the message of good prevails over all evil, so nah i don't think harry will die, and if he does, i'll just cry so bad

I really hope that Harry doesn't die.:no: I,personally, think that Harry deserves to live because he has had a rough life. He has finally found love in his friends and the Weasley family and so many other persons. So I think it will be unfair to take his life in the end.




:gryff: Harry and Hermione Shipper!! PROUD TO BE ONE!! I LOVE BEING DELUSIONAL:clap:

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I don't really want Harry to die, but I think it might be neccesary, so that other authors don't pick up the story and add onto it.

I reckon both Harry and Voldemort wil die and i have to agree that its probably necessary that he does so other authors don't decide to make a Harry Potter story of their own.

I really hope that Harry doesn't die.:no: I,personally, think that Harry deserves to live because he has had a rough life. He has finally found love in his friends and the Weasley family and so many other persons. So I think it will be unfair to take his life in the end.
Yes, it would be very unfair if he died. But so would it be whoever who died (except maybe Voldemort, Bellatrix and a few Death Eaters). Harry is the main character, and we hear all about his pains, but there are others who (besides the "Voldemort is after me personally and won't stop hunting me") has suffered badly, as well. Neville comes to mind. Hannah Abbott, too. And many others we don't get to hear about.

Death is not fair, sadly. Maybe JKR will be, but I don't know. I don't see a "we challenged the most evil dark wizard and all survived just like that" situation. Harry will be on the brunt of alot of spells, probably AKs.

harry will die after killing voldemort

I dont think he should die..I mean all his life he's been haunted by Voldemort..It basically because of Voldemort that his parents, Sirius and Dumbledore are dead..And after finally killing Voldemort(hopefully)..I dont think its fair that he dies..He should be alive to finally be free of that whole "chosen one" thing and for once just enjoy his life..
Right?

Right. :D

Harry is the main character, and we hear all about his pains, but there are others who (besides the "Voldemort is after me personally and won't stop hunting me") has suffered badly, as well. Neville comes to mind. Hannah Abbott, too. And many others we don't get to hear about.


What Neville and Hannah have gone through is rough, but not at all what Harry has. They've both grown up around family members who love them and want the best for them. And, like you said, they haven't had to worry about Voldemort constantly hunting them down.

I don't think Harry will live just because he has suffered, I think he will live because he has suffered too much and has never had a chance to live a normal, fear-free life. I think he needs to have that experience after Book 7.

Personally, I think that Harry shouldn't die, because the whole series is about Harry defeating Lord Voldemort book after book, it would seem kind of weird to think that after all he went through, to just die in the last book.Then who will stop Voldemort!

I don't think JKR 'll let Harry die ,she doesn't seem to be a saddistic person because if she 'ld let Harry die it 'ld be very saddistic indeed especially when you come to think of the suffering Harry had to endure
I can't imagine JKR making the preperations for her book
:Lets create a character; make him an orphan at age 1 ;let him endure a terrible childhood ,give him 2 best friends ,give him a loving godfather (the closest thing to a parent he'll ever have ) ;rip that person from away from him;give him a caring mentor who will be like a grandfather to him, take that person away from him too ;give him a girlfriend who's smart funny and beautifull ;end that relationship too; ooh I'm on a roll now let him be murdered by the man who killed his parents in the first place, ooh I'll make him a wizzard or something so that the story'll attract little children too and than I can break their tiny little harts too
JKR doesn't seem that cold,quite the opposit actualy

i agree with most other threads here, that if harry dies it'll be killing the message of good prevails over all evil, so nah i don't think harry will die, and if he does, i'll just cry so bad

You've never heard of a story where a good hero dies triumphing over evil? If Harry dies it won't undermine the triumph of good, it will probably just strengthen it.

I don't think Harry is going to die. It seems like it would send a bad message for him to have had such an unhappy life and then he has to defeat Voldemort and then he dies. That would be so depressing and I don't think JKR intends for HP to be a sad series.

Personally I think in order for the series to end completely so that no one else could ever write any sequels Harry would either a. have to die or b. (this one may sound stupid) wake up and the past six years all be a dream. Either way the series wouldn't be able to continue and that is what jkr wants right? Personally i hope beyond hope Harry doesn't die because that would be extremely sad but i believe in hbp he said something along the lines of not letting anyone else get in the way of him and voldemort and everyone who has ever tried to protect has ended up dead so is that his fate too? Like i said i don't want him to die but i don't see any other way around it.:no:

Harry will not die in Deathly Hallows. Why? I have two reasons-

1) JKR killing off Harry would be like life after John Lennon was killed. Although he's a fictional character, he is admired and loved by people all over the world:love: I'm sure JKR would know this is a bad idea, and hopefully tried avoiding it any way possible

2. Like dubbleB said, JKR simply isn't that evil to kill the main character. She can kill Harry's parents, curse him with a scar, and send Voldy after him, but death? Sounds a little extreme to me. Plus...spending nearly 10 years writing seven books about a guy, just to throw him away? Not what i call a happy ending.

I have mixed feelings aobut this subject, but who dosen't? On one hand I think that Harry will die in the process of killing Voldemort. That might be considered a good ending because Harry gets to go to his parents, Dumbeldore, and Sirius. Although, he still had Hermonie, Ron, Ginny, and the rest of the Weasly family to stay with. I like to lean to the fact that Voldemort will be killed by Harry, but as Dumbeldore had always said "There are worse things than death." Maby Voldemort will finally learn what that thing is and as previously stated in other replys, maby become a squib.

Harry might have to die..though sad as it is...because other authors might decide to carry on with potter if he survived. We know that voldy will die, but harry might also die - sacrifice himself so voldy can die for the good of the world.

I might be the only one who doesn't know this, and I apologize if someonebody has previously explained this but won't JK have the rights to Harry Potter and all related to names to Harry Potter and won't she (and her agents) have trade marked all the necessary names and items in the book making it near impossible to make a pre/sequel. Im just not sure on that point.

Anyway to the point of the thread, will Harry die? Well I honestly don't think he will and my reason for this is because he does have a life after Voldemort. Some people have said he wants to be with his family but he has the weasley's (whether this is still the case after Deathly Hallows we'll have to see) and he is quoted in the book as saying something like, Mrs Weasley is the closest thing to a mother he has ever had. Also when Mrs Weasley is facing the boggart she sees all her familt dying and then sees Harry dying. I think this means that Mrs Weasley considers Harry part of her family. He also has Ginny, who after 6 years of liking the guy isn't just going to let him go.

I also think that if there was a "happy" ending and Harry didn't die, that I may be one of the only people who would be satisfied with no more books. Yes I am a genuine Harry Potter fan :lol:

The reason I would be able to leave the wizarding world and not be gagging for more adventures from Harry Potter is because, even though there are other dark wizards to vanquish, Voldemort is the most evil, and with him gone, I wouldn't want to read about how Harry is having troubles with Ginny.

These are my reasons anyway, for why I think JK can keep Harry alive without worring about spin offs, people begging for more books and a happy ending can still be a good ending.

I know this is said before, but it still holds true in my mind.
I believe that the prophecy is the most important clue:

"neither can live while the other survives"

which means Harry can't be alive if Voldemort is alive
and Voldemort can't be alive if Harry is alive.

So does that mean both can die?

YES!

While the prophecy states that they both can't live, it doesn't state that they both cant die!

I believe this is first and foremost a book about good v. evil. It is also a book about morals. Harry was told that he must chose between doing what is right and doing what is easy. I believe Harry choses in the end to make the right choice, and that choice is sacrificing himself to save Ginny, the Weasleys, the world, whatever.

However, I still can't come up with a sentence that ends with the word scar.:grumble:

Okay, I didn't read through all of these posts so I don't know if this has been mentioned.
But I think Harry WILL die. Before you pelt me with rotten fruit, listen to me. I hope he won't, but it would have a good messege to it if Harry did die. After all, Dumbledore always says there are things worth than death. Wouldn't Harry dieing prove Dumbledore right? After all, if Harry dies he'd see Dumbledore, Sirius, his mum, his dad, and many others including Cedric. He'd just be waiting for Ron, Hermione and of course Ginny.
Of course, Harry HAS to kill Voldemort before he dies. There's no way to avoid that. Voldemort has to die. After all, death is the worse thing to Voldemort and Voldemort should die to A) prove Dumbledore right and B) to make up for all h's done in his life.
I really hope Harry doesn't die though. After all, I want to see him get back together with Ginny and see Ron and Hermione get together, and become an Auror or teacher or whatever other carreer he decides to persue. I want to see him marry Ginny and have a family of his own, a real one, finally (I'm not saying Harry's "family" for the past six books is bad, just saying it might be nice for him to have a real, biological, living family.)
All in all, I hope with all my heart (or almost all) that Harry doesn;t die. But a small part of me knows why he might die and once I'm over thrwoing the book at a wall, I might accept it and understand why.

Harry might have to die..though sad as it is...because other authors might decide to carry on with potter if he survived. We know that voldy will die, but harry might also die - sacrifice himself so voldy can die for the good of the world.

JK Rowling outlined the end of the series nearly fifteen years ago, before the first book was even published. She could not possibly have imagined the series would be as popular as it came to be, and it's even less likely she manipulated the ending to prevent other authors from continuing the story.

JKR has copyright laws to prevent authors writing about Harry Potter; she doesn't need to kill Harry to accomplish that. I doubt she had enough foresight fifteen years ago to consider compromising the story to benefit herself.

I always to the live in the prophecy to mean that Harry or LV couldn't have a life while the other was still alive. Ie LV can't get on with world domination until he has killed Harry and Harry can't have a normal life (work, marriage, kids etc) until oul Voldy is 6 foot under. Killing Harry isn't the way to end it to prevent other writers doing prequels and sequels (there are plenty of them in fanfiction anyway :lol: ) I don't think anyone would want to read Harry Potter and the mortgage application do you?

Harry might have to die..though sad as it is...because other authors might decide to carry on with potter if he survived. We know that voldy will die, but harry might also die - sacrifice himself so voldy can die for the good of the world.

I don't think that JKR lets Harry die because of her own comfort (just to avoid other authors nagging her to please let them write a sequel) She's bigger that
If she'll let Harry die it'll be for the good of the plot But I still think he won't die

Harry just has to die. It'll be too Happily-Ever-After if he doesn't. If JKR kills him, then the books will at least be taken seriously. There WILL be a lot of death, so you can't have Harry live or else he'll lead a life of misery and woe. We don't want that for him. Also, like dubbleB said, she doesn't want people to continue off of the series. I don't see any reason why he should live except for that it would be hard to say goodbye and I would cry.

But why does Harry have to be all morbid and woeful if he survives. Yes he will have seen a lot of horrors and done alot of things during the war but he won't let these things get him down. He will have his family to support him after he overcomes everything is that not one of the messages in the book

I might be the only one who doesn't know this, and I apologize if someonebody has previously explained this but won't JK have the rights to Harry Potter and all related to names to Harry Potter and won't she (and her agents) have trade marked all the necessary names and items in the book making it near impossible to make a pre/sequel. Im just not sure on that point.

I'm sure she's copyrighted everything possible, and I really don't think anyone can find a way around it. Even if she couldn't ensure no one would keep writing, I don't think she'd kill Harry just for this reason. People could write books about other characters, right? Or Harry's children?

I don't think Harry is going to die. It seems like it would send a bad message for him to have had such an unhappy life and then he has to defeat Voldemort and then he dies. That would be so depressing and I don't think JKR intends for HP to be a sad series.

Why does death have to be so sad. I think Harry's death will be a happy ending of sorts. I mean, like Dumbledore (I think) said, "To the organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." Or something like that, I haven't read the books in a couple months.

What's wrong with a happy ending?

What's wrong with a happy ending?

Nothing. Nothing at all. I said his death could be a happy ending of sorts.

Why does death have to be so sad. I think Harry's death will be a happy ending of sorts. I mean, like Dumbledore (I think) said, "To the organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." Or something like that, I haven't read the books in a couple months.

No matter how ready to die Harry is, his death would be sad to all the survivors, and to the readers.

No matter how ready to die Harry is, his death would be sad to all the survivors, and to the readers.

Yeah, but you have to think of why he'll die, and it will be something incredibly noble and honorable and we'll all think, it's sad, but worth it.

I still think Harry will die. It will have a tremendous effect on everyone, I agree, but if he does die, I just hope he takes as many Death Eaters possible with him. And of course Voldemort. I would not want Harry's death to be worthless - him dying will definitely have some value or good reason behind it - or the readers will be disappointed. I know I will be.

What's wrong with a happy ending?

A happy ending is always good but I wouldn't want a perfect fairy-tale ending. I doubt Jo would do that anyways, but the ending has got to be realistic.

I still think Harry will die. It will have a tremendous effect on everyone, I agree, but if he does die, I just hope he takes as many Death Eaters possible with him. And of course Voldemort. I would not want Harry's death to be worthless - him dying will definitely have some value or good reason behind it - or the readers will be disappointed. I know I will be.



A happy ending is always good but I wouldn't want a perfect fairy-tale ending. I doubt Jo would do that anyways, but the ending has got to be realistic.

JK wouldn't disappoint us by giving Harry a senseless death. That would be cruel.

Nope still want happy ending if Harry dies at the end of DH I will be extremely disappointed

no matter what *** fans want jkr will write her own book. if she wants harry to die in dh harry will die in dh.

anyway i think harry will die in dh after defeating voldemort

(after filch will ruel all the death eatrs after hitting snape over the head with a chair:D)

What is all this love? Harry can't love Ginny...they've dated for about 3 days. Likewise for Ron and Hermoine. They're attracted to each other, they like each other, they are not in love, except, perhaps in a friends way. And Harry and Ginny are definitely not in love/love each other. Not yet anyway.

You're probably right. To be quite honest I am a hopeless romantic so that is just the way my mind works. :lol:

JK wouldn't disappoint us by giving Harry a senseless death. That would be cruel.

:agree: It just would not make sense if the hero died without conquering the evil - or at least part of it - because it would not be a right lesson for young readers.

harry's death would be too sad and suprising to the readers and his friends, so i don't think that harry will die. although if he does he'll be joined again with his parents, dumbledore,and sirius. but i can't really decide becaue harry's main objective is to vanquish lord voldemort

harry's death would be too sad and suprising to the readers and his friends, so i don't think that harry will die. although if he does he'll be joined again with his parents, dumbledore,and sirius. but i can't really decide becaue harry's main objective is to vanquish lord voldemort

Yeah, his main objective is to defeat Voldemort to me. I can't see what else he will be doing with the series.

(after filch will ruel all the death eatrs after hitting snape over the head with a chair:D)

:lol: or maybe a bottle of shampoo

Yeah, his main objective is to defeat Voldemort to me. I can't see what else he will be doing with the series.

Whether he lives or whether he dies we will never know what comes after because there is no after. All you can do is close the book and put it on the shelf. Take it out in a couple of years and read it again and if you didn't like the ending...well maybe it will change while in storage.:lol:

:lol: or maybe a bottle of shampoo



Whether he lives or whether he dies we will never know what comes after because there is no after. All you can do is close the book and put it on the shelf. Take it out in a couple of years and read it again and if you didn't like the ending...well maybe it will change while in storage.:lol:

I mean, logically we know he will die at some point (being human) but I think the question at hand is will he die defeating Lord Voldemort? And I believe that he will.

Realistically, I don't see it happening. Because as spectacular as Jo is as far as going against the grain when it comes to the typical 'hero' stories. I do feel like he's going to make it through. I mean, he's "the boy who lived" right?

But if it was done right, I would be okay with it happening. It's kind of poetic in a way if he does die. Fighting for the same cause as his parents and dying in the name of love.

I am contradicting myself now, sorry about this.

If Harry dies a "noble and honorable death" by killing Voldemort, then I'm very sad but completely okay with him dying.

Now if Harry dies and Voldemort lives... someone really must have done something to get JK to hurt us with such a harsh and cruel ending.

But my thought is that Harry will NOT die in book 7. If he does, Voldemort dies with him. I doubt JK is mean enough to even SUGGEST to kill Harry and let Voldemort live. JK is not even mean. She wouldn't do that.

The only way Harry could die that I can think of is if he is a Horcrux (or his scar is one). Harry would not kill Voldemort simply to be killed by Bella or whoever else...that would be a terrible ending. Voldemort can't kill Harry and survive...that would be even more terrible. So IF Harry is to die (and I believe strongly that he will not), it will have to be by sacrificing himself while somehow killing Voldemort at the same time.

And I agree with hava above, that Harry won't die but it wouldn't ruin the series if he did.

I wouldn't care if he did die in DH, because realistically, this is a war. A big war at that, and with war are casualties. I think Harry will die, whereas LV will live (BUT will suffer a fate worse than death).

I wouldn't care if he did die in DH, because realistically, this is a war. A big war at that, and with war are casualties. I think Harry will die, whereas LV will live (BUT will suffer a fate worse than death).

I could not agree more with the Voldemort thing. I think that after all the years that he has deluded himself to think that death was the absolute worst thing that could happen he should feel the type of pain that can make a person wish they were dead.

Harry might have to die..though sad as it is...because other authors might decide to carry on with potter if he survived. We know that voldy will die, but harry might also die - sacrifice himself so voldy can die for the good of the world.JKR is not just any author. She will have control over Harry Potter, regardless. So no one else will be able to write about him.

The only way Harry could die that I can think of is if he is a Horcrux (or his scar is one). Harry would not kill Voldemort simply to be killed by Bella or whoever else...that would be a terrible ending. Voldemort can't kill Harry and survive...that would be even more terrible. So IF Harry is to die (and I believe strongly that he will not), it will have to be by sacrificing himself while somehow killing Voldemort at the same time.

And I agree with hava above, that Harry won't die but it wouldn't ruin the series if he did.

I agree with you completely.

Realistically, I don't see it happening. Because as spectacular as Jo is as far as going against the grain when it comes to the typical 'hero' stories. I do feel like he's going to make it through. I mean, he's "the boy who lived" right?

But if it was done right, I would be okay with it happening. It's kind of poetic in a way if he does die. Fighting for the same cause as his parents and dying in the name of love.

I am contradicting myself now, sorry about this.

I mean, it's the "boy who lived" not the "boy who will live indefinitely" or "the boy who is still alive" you know?

JKR had the entire story outlined before the first was even published. There's no way she went into it like "ok, here's the main character, now I'm gonna kill him in the end BUHAHAHAHA*evil crackling*"

JKR had the entire story outlined before the first was even published. There's no way she went into it like "ok, here's the main character, now I'm gonna kill him in the end BUHAHAHAHA*evil crackling*"

Why not? That sounds very plausible. I mean, not in the dramatic, poorly thought out way you're implying that it was, but if she was like, here's the hero, here's his life, here's how he has to die to save the world to fulfill the Jesus archetype, yeah, it sounds reasonable.

I would just like to point out that no matter how the seventh book ends, e.g. Harry dieing, or the world ending, there can and will be sequels written for the Harry potter series. If the world ends it could be written that evolution took its track and humans formed again, Harry and Voldemort’s spirits entered new bodies and the greatest war of wizards began again. That is why I believe the series would be done more justice if J.K.R ended the book with Harry defeating Voldemort and living to a ripe old age with Ginny (or not depending on the out come) then passing away in his sleep when his sole is at rest.

The most painfull thought i have, either Harry dies or lives, is that in 7th book i'll read his last adventures and after that won't be anything to wait for... That makes me really sad...

hmm.... I don't think Harry will die but I'm not entirely sure he will survive either. Oh my gosh, how many millions of fans would be devastated if the hero we have come to know and love did die in DH!! Unless its a more noble death such as Harry's only choice was to sacrifice his own life to save countless others, so VM could be vanquished. I think I would be kinda ok if he did die, if his death was not in vain. (shocked, appalled, but I could learn to live with it.... after a year or so, ha ha)

If it's a spectacular death, after beating all the bad wizards, I wont mind so much.

If it's a spectacular death, after beating all the bad wizards, I wont mind so much.

Haha...the old Blaze of Glory...

If it's a spectacular death, after beating all the bad wizards, I wont mind so much.

oh come on people be a little optimistic!:lol:

Harry has yet so much to live! he cant die cus of the war .It would be so harsh and violent to the fans .
and we all know we are in time of war , so i refuse to believe jkr would do such thing.
She likes to bring a cheerful type of end in the books.Evrybody would cry .:scared: .She likes to bring hope to the books; something we dont have now and days.And she knows that.

:upset: I really do think that Harry will die. I think that he will have to die to kill Voldermort. I have a sneaky feeling that Harry himself his a horcrux. I really hope that im wrong, but I think he will become a ghost and be reunited with his parents.

He has to die. It'll be really REALLY sad, but he has to.

I really hope that im wrong, but I think he will become a ghost and be reunited with his parents.

If he becomes a ghost, he won't be reunited with his parents, because his parents are not ghosts.

oh come on people be a little optimistic!:lol:

Harry has yet so much to live! he cant die cus of the war .It would be so harsh and violent to the fans .
and we all know we are in time of war , so i refuse to believe jkr would do such thing.
She likes to bring a cheerful type of end in the books.Evrybody would cry .:scared: .She likes to bring hope to the books; something we dont have now and days.And she knows that.

But JKR's not writing for us. She's writing for her, and has said as much (and there's nothing wrong with that - if she was really mean, she wouldn't even have shared it with us in the first place.)

And I'm stubborn, because I still think it's possible to have a happy ending if Harry dies :blush: Just not a conventionally happy one, is all.

He has to die. It'll be really REALLY sad, but he has to.

Don't we all............................................... ............

I've thought about Harry being a Horcrux too, but I decided a long time ago that he was not. For the first few months after the announcement from JKR that he may die, I was horrified. Horrified because I honestly believed that he would die. I actually took up to listening to the books on tape when I cannot sleep...and I'm just about the finish the entire series yet again. This time I've been listening hard, and I've decided, that Harry will most definatly not die. It's just not her style. Killing someone we care about...yes...but not this book...not this time...

No, I don't think that Harry will die. There will be no resolution, and it will leave all readers wondering too much. I don't think JKR would want to do that to end the series.











































































































































No, I don't think that Harry will die in book seven, because it would really spoil it. JKR would not want the main character to die after seven years of adventure, and it would be like "Why did JKR go through seven years of Harry's life, just to have him die now? I think that

No, I don't think that Harry will die. There will be no resolution, and it will leave all readers wondering too much. I don't think JKR would want to do that to end the series.

No, I don't think that Harry will die in book seven, because it would really spoil it. JKR would not want the main character to die after seven years of adventure, and it would be like "Why did JKR go through seven years of Harry's life, just to have him die now? I think that

Like I said before, the way JK talks about her writing it would be like she has Harry die, but more like, Harry does what he has to do. And I think what he has to do is die...

I have thought about this loads and i just cannot decide wether i think he will or not. I jump backwards and forwards on the subject.
I think most of the time he will be killed tho , Alot of people i know say jk would not kill off the main character because of the amount of young children reading the books it may upset to many but i dont think that.

Harry, although he had trouble killing Belatrix, will come through. If he gets angry enough at Voldemort, then it could happen that he wins. I think it would be really mean of JK to kill him and leave her fans devastated. I would personally be mad at her. I've followed this series forever seems like, and I'd be really mad to see that I wasted almost all my life on a dead end fandom.

Harry, although he had trouble killing Belatrix, will come through. If he gets angry enough at Voldemort, then it could happen that he wins. I think it would be really mean of JK to kill him and leave her fans devastated. I would personally be mad at her. I've followed this series forever seems like, and I'd be really mad to see that I wasted almost all my life on a dead end fandom.

That's funny...I was going to say that's how I felt when I read the Bible...but then I remembered that Harry falls right into the Savior Archetype and realized it was kinda blasphemous to say anyway.
But, sorry, my memory is terrible, when did Harry kill Bellatrix, and how?

It would be a pathetic ending. Hopefully, JKR can think of a better ending than killing her main character off. The entire series would have been for nothing, just a long waste. Voldie should just have well killed him as a child.

Harry, although he had trouble killing Belatrix, will come through. If he gets angry enough at Voldemort, then it could happen that he wins. I think it would be really mean of JK to kill him and leave her fans devastated. I would personally be mad at her. I've followed this series forever seems like, and I'd be really mad to see that I wasted almost all my life on a dead end fandom.

JKR wrote the last chapter of the series before she even published the first book. I doubt she was even thinking at the time what the reactions of readers would be at the end of the series. If she had intended for Harry to die since she first planned out the books, then she will go through with it no matter how upset people will be when they read the ending.

She didn't write them all at once!?! I thought she just had the plots outlined and all.

That's funny...I was going to say that's how I felt when I read the Bible...but then I remembered that Harry falls right into the Savior Archetype and realized it was kinda blasphemous to say anyway.
But, sorry, my memory is terrible, when did Harry kill Bellatrix, and how?
He DIDN'T kill Bellatrix, but he (sort of) tried. I think to "mean it" is more than just being super, super angry, at least I hope it is! I can't believe Harry will ever have it in him to kill anyone, even Snape, even Voldemort. Dumbledore made reference of it to Draco, and unfortunately, I don't have my copy handy, but it's something to the effect that the act of killing is much harder than an innocent realizes.

She didn't write them all at once!?! I thought she just had the plots outlined and all.

She didn't write the whole thing, but she did write the last chapter to give herself something to aim for. I forget which interview it was in.

JKR wrote the last chapter of the series before she even published the first book. I doubt she was even thinking at the time what the reactions of readers would be at the end of the series. If she had intended for Harry to die since she first planned out the books, then she will go through with it no matter how upset people will be when they read the ending.

Agreed.

It would be a pathetic ending. Hopefully, JKR can think of a better ending than killing her main character off. The entire series would have been for nothing, just a long waste. Voldie should just have well killed him as a child.

For nothing? It's the greatest sacrifice of all. Take Frodo. He didn't die, but he didn't exactly live either. Sam said:

I thought you were going to enjoy the Shire, too, for years and years, after all you have done.

And Frodo replied:

So I thought too, once. But I have been too deeply hurt, Sam. I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: some one has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them. But you are my heir: all that I had and might have had I leave to you.

Many of the greatest heroes gave their lives to save their lands or loved ones. William Wallace. Beowulf. Enkidu (from the Gilgamesh epic). Lily Potter. Even Jesus said (and showed) "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13). And if there is a common theme or quality that Rowling has set up in Harry Potter, it is that he has love.

Part of me hopes he doesn't die. But most of me knows that he will.

Peace,
Christopher

I can't believe Harry will ever have it in him to kill anyone, even Snape, even Voldemort.

Doesn't he kind of have to have it in him to kill Voldemort? He and the rest of the world are kind of sunk otherwise.

I sure hope Harry survives, he is after all the hero. Yet death changes us all. Survivers have to transform themselvs and be sort of reborn in order to continue living. The symboism of snakes in the series, Dombledore's attitude about death being another "great adventure", Harry's eyes so like Lilly's, the connection of love between people, and the memory of them that drives us all to be brave, and strong and true in our actions. Perhaps this is the Hallows?

I personally believe Harry will live. However, there are some very good reasons as to why he wouldn't. My belief is based on a theory I have. I am a writer myself (unpublished) and as a writer, I would not want one of my characters to die, not even as a hero. My theory is that a writer puts her or himself in the mindset of the character, as if they are one. If a writer has a dark personality (such as Stephen King) they would not mind being dead. If a writer does not have that type of personality, they would not want to die, would not want to use a 'shock factor' as a book seller. JK is not dark, she is quite optimistic and I'm hoping that my writer theories are proven correct when I read book 7.

If a writer has a dark personality (such as Stephen King) they would not mind being dead. If a writer does not have that type of personality, they would not want to die, would not want to use a 'shock factor' as a book seller. JK is not dark, she is quite optimistic and I'm hoping that my writer theories are proven correct when I read book 7.

I'd say Rowling has proved, not that she's dark, but that she's realistic. The deaths of Sirius and Albus, not to mention Cedric, prove that she sees Voldemort for what he is, and as she has said, "Sacrifices have to be made." I do hope you're right, though.

Peace,
Christopher

I don't think Harry will die. Not because that's the way it should be, but I think this time he will get to prove he can succeed on his own. Not that I don't think he hasn't kicked butt in all the other books, but he has had help. This time he HAS to be the one to do it, to kill Voldemort. If he dies while killing Voldemort, that's really only half-way succeeding in my opinion. There's the theory that Harry wants to be re-united with his parents and Sirius, but he HAS "family" in the living world, the Weasleys. They have treated him like a son from pretty much day 1. And I'm still not totally convinced Sirius is gone, either. Who knows what that veil is really?? Plus, all the lives of people trying to protect and save Harry would have been lost in vain if he dies. I think the twisty part will come from the fact that Harry would be considered a murderer, even if it is for the greater good. And someone close to Harry will probably die to give that tragic factor, but I really don't think he will die. Not only would it be sad, but ultimately just disappointing. I know that him dying could prove noble, but I just don't think it should work out that way. I guess we'll all find out when the book is released!!

For nothing? It's the greatest sacrifice of all. Take Frodo. He didn't die, but he didn't exactly live either. Sam said:



And Frodo replied:



Many of the greatest heroes gave their lives to save their lands or loved ones. William Wallace. Beowulf. Enkidu (from the Gilgamesh epic). Lily Potter. Even Jesus said (and showed) "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13). And if there is a common theme or quality that Rowling has set up in Harry Potter, it is that he has love.

Part of me hopes he doesn't die. But most of me knows that he will.

Peace,
Christopher



Doesn't he kind of have to have it in him to kill Voldemort? He and the rest of the world are kind of sunk otherwise.

Couldn't have said it better myself C...well, I coulda...but you get my meaning.

And in response to the Bellatrix thing, I hope Harry doesn't kill anyone either and just takes the Batman path, but someone said he killed Bella and I was like "...wait...what?"

i think that harry will not die, because when the killing curse has been said Snape will get in the way.

Yes Snape. Dumbledore wouldn't just trust snape for no reason. i think that Dumbledore had planned his death OR Snape couldn't not kill him because it would ruin his cover.


DUH! its so obvious, lol.

I hope that she doesn't kill Harry off. What a terrible end to the series if she does.

I don't want Harry to die either... but after looking at the new artwork I just have the feeling that its going to happen. There is absolutely nothing concrete there... but it evokes the thoughts that it *will* happen.

*sigh*

I better come to grips with it now. This way I can minimize the tears come July.

I hope he doesn't... it would really suck if he did, but then again he would be doing it for the greater good of the whole wizarding community, as their biggest threat in history would be gone forever and maybe no-one that evil will ever exist again if his dark knowledge dies with him.

I hope he doesn't... it would really suck if he did, but then again he would be doing it for the greater good of the whole wizarding community, as their biggest threat in history would be gone forever and maybe no-one that evil will ever exist again if his dark knowledge dies with him.

I mean, there will always be dark knowledge. All the books in the restricted section of the library for instance, and the DEs still in Azkaban, but getting rid of LV would be a step.

I feel that Harry will die in book 7. I feel that Ginny will not except his being noble and parting with her. I think she is going to insist on helping to destroy the horcruxes along with Ron, Hemoine, and Harry. In GOF when Harry and LV battle one another, their wands connected. Could it be possible that they cannot kill one another with their own wands? Maybe Harry will sacrifice himself by getting in the way of the killing curse aimed at Ginny using the power that LV knows not. This could then kill LV in the way that he should have died when Lily sacrificed herself for Harry.

I don't want Harry to die either... but after looking at the new artwork I just have the feeling that its going to happen. There is absolutely nothing concrete there... but it evokes the thoughts that it *will* happen.

*sigh*

I better come to grips with it now. This way I can minimize the tears come July.

What about the new art gives you that impression? I'm just curious because I don't really see it.

I think Harry might have to sacrifice himself to save the world from Voldy. And looking at the artwork for DH makes me think that he is gunna die even more.

I think Harry might have to sacrifice himself to save the world from Voldy. And looking at the artwork for DH makes me think that he is gunna die even more.

I agree.

And to me, the artwork looks hopeful.

I don't think Harry will die. Not because that's the way it should be, but I think this time he will get to prove he can succeed on his own. Not that I don't think he hasn't kicked butt in all the other books, but he has had help. This time he HAS to be the one to do it, to kill Voldemort. If he dies while killing Voldemort, that's really only half-way succeeding in my opinion. There's the theory that Harry wants to be re-united with his parents and Sirius, but he HAS "family" in the living world, the Weasleys. They have treated him like a son from pretty much day 1. And I'm still not totally convinced Sirius is gone, either. Who knows what that veil is really?? Plus, all the lives of people trying to protect and save Harry would have been lost in vain if he dies. I think the twisty part will come from the fact that Harry would be considered a murderer, even if it is for the greater good. And someone close to Harry will probably die to give that tragic factor, but I really don't think he will die. Not only would it be sad, but ultimately just disappointing. I know that him dying could prove noble, but I just don't think it should work out that way. I guess we'll all find out when the book is released!!

Oh how I agree on all points and hope you're right!
It's true, all those people dying for him to live... what a shame (not to say a waste) if he died too.

I can't help but feeling there have been many heavy hints in the books published so far that Harry's not going to make it through the series. But I have to admit JKR has been known to like red herrings. Still, I think the question whether Harry lives or dies is strongly related to the way he will conquer Voldemort. We've seen a couple of times so far that Harry's dueling skills simply aren't advanced enough to win a fight against the Dark Lord in normal ways. Truly, Harry becomes more skilled throughout the books, but at dueling he doesn't stand a chance against Voldemort in GoF, Bellatrix in OotP, or Snape in HBP. Both Voldemort's knowledge of magic and dueling skills outweigh Harry's enormously. I have to conclude Harry needs to find a way to use the power the Dark Lord knows not. I dislike the existence of some love based spell, I find the whole idea to ethereal. As far as I can see, when it comes to dueling, Harry has only one concrete advantage as a result of his ability to love. The final duel between Harry and Voldemort has three possible outcomes. Of these, only one is acceptable for Voldemort, but two are acceptable for Harry. I think this may be where Harry's ability to love might be helpful: he may resign himself to dying taking Voldemort with him, while such a result is totally unacceptable for Voldemort.

And to me, the artwork looks hopeful.

I agree. On the American cover, Harry looks like he's in control, maybe summoning something, while Voldemort looks defensive, as if he's trying to ward something off.

I can't help but feeling there have been many heavy hints in the books published so far that Harry's not going to make it through the series. But I have to admit JKR has been known to like red herrings. Still, I think the question whether Harry lives or dies is strongly related to the way he will conquer Voldemort. We've seen a couple of times so far that Harry's dueling skills simply aren't advanced enough to win a fight against the Dark Lord in normal ways. Truly, Harry becomes more skilled throughout the books, but at dueling he doesn't stand a chance against Voldemort in GoF, Bellatrix in OotP, or Snape in HBP. Both Voldemort's knowledge of magic and dueling skills outweigh Harry's enormously. I have to conclude Harry needs to find a way to use the power the Dark Lord knows not. I dislike the existence of some love based spell, I find the whole idea to ethereal. As far as I can see, when it comes to dueling, Harry has only one concrete advantage as a result of his ability to love. The final duel between Harry and Voldemort has three possible outcomes. Of these, only one is acceptable for Voldemort, but two are acceptable for Harry. I think this may be where Harry's ability to love might be helpful: he may resign himself to dying taking Voldemort with him, while such a result is totally unacceptable for Voldemort.

Ah, but according to the Prophecy, Harry does have "the power to vanquish the Dark Lord".

Harry can't die. Its like saying that evil won over good. That is not true. So he can't die. He can go to hell and back but he will not die. Even thought we might think that he might not have a way out he will. There will be a little light at the end of the tunnel.

Harry can't die. Its like saying that evil won over good. That is not true. So he can't die. He can go to hell and back but he will not die. Even thought we might think that he might not have a way out he will. There will be a little light at the end of the tunnel.

No it's not. If they don't die then evil didn't win. Lots of times the hero will die to vanquish evil.

I can see how Harry dying makes sense, but I just don't see it happening. He is the "Boy Who Lived" afterall.

I don't see JKR giving her Hero a rotten childhood and then giving him the knowledge that he isn't "just Harry" only to take it all away before he really gets to enjoy life. I see him survivng Deathly Hallows.

And I agree about the artwork. Harry looks in control and confident. It looks like he has progressed to a point where he doesn't have to have his wand at every moment. Things look promising to me.

i know who will die in Deathly Hollows!! o me me me!!! i think that snape, Malfoy, and vodemort will die. malfory and snape will die cause they are evil and have to die and voldemort will die because harry will destory him and he will go away for ever unless there is another book and than it will seem like voldemort died but he really did not die.

Gosh, can't wait till these rumors are put to rest!

Yeah...

i dont want harry to die! i hope he won't. actually i dont think he will. i dont think j.k.r would do that, would she?

Malfoy? He won't die. He's too young and has too much evil to do. I think Malfoy might actually turn to the side of good...I don't know though. Harry on the other hand...all death.

I dunno. It's possible that Harry will die 'cos JK said she didn't want anyone pestering her bout writing another book if Harry lives.

But I doubt it. See there's an eqation for all fo this:

Harry+death = Voldemort being in power = Evill beating good = BAD VERY BAD

The only way Harry would die was if he was killing Voldemort and they both died in the accident. J.K. would not just kill Harry and let Voldemort live. What kind of ending is that to a series that nearly everyone follows? The other option is that Harry will live and Voldemort will die, which happens to be the most possible answer.

Nope. It's the story of Harry Potter, so if Harry dies, we'll have no idea what happens to the rest of the magical folk because the story has ended.
(Unless Harry comes back as a ghost; ooh, spectulation!)

i hope that harry lives. i think that after all jk rowling has made him go through that he deserves a chance to live a normal life w/o having evil baddies always chasing after him. that and him and ginny need to be togather! i think harry deserves to live but i think if he lives it will be at a cost. he may have some injury or something similar that he may never get rid of.

It is so frustrating. I want to find out whether harry dies or not but i also don't want to find out. I personally think that if rowling killed potter that would be a cruel thing to do to so many potter fans.

Harry lives.

But at what cost?

The story JKR is writing is the classic “hero” arc. It’s been a lockstep progression, right to the penultimate scene where the hero confronts the evildoer all alone at the final battle. He’s lost his parents, Sirius, and now his teacher, Dumbledore. Yes, he has his friends, but Harry is going to face Voldemort alone.

When the hero wins in these stories, it’s at great personal cost. He or she often must sacrifice something dear. What could it be in Harry’s case?

My guess is that Harry will have to give up the Wizarding world. The way the prophecy links the two, if Harry walks away, Voldy loses his power.

Think of the sacrifice. Harry’s only been happy at Hogwarts and the Burrow. He will never see either again. His friends, all magical, will be lost. He loses his world to save it.

If anyone gets a chance to ask JKR a question, ask, “If Harry lives, will he still be able to perform magic?”

This is perhaps a somewhat odd theory, but I think Harry will be gone after defeating LV. As many has said, he just cannot go up against the most powerful wizard of this time, defeat him without losing something in the process, and then return back to his friends and family?

And throughout the entire ordeal of guessing if he will die or not, a quote from Nearly Headless Nick, always pops up:

"He will not come back.. he has.. moved on.."
I think Harry will do the same. With or without Ginny, he might die, and finally be reunited with his family, something he has wanted to be since the first book. I don't know if that's still the case, though...

Harry will survive but like a post mentioned above, what will he have to sacrifice?

I think Harry will die, however, of my theory about SNape works out then Voldemort will die.

My guess is that Harry will have to give up the Wizarding world. The way the prophecy links the two, if Harry walks away, Voldy loses his power.

Think of the sacrifice. Harry’s only been happy at Hogwarts and the Burrow. He will never see either again. His friends, all magical, will be lost. He loses his world to save it.
I thought in that too. May be Harry after winning he will leave all the Wizaring World like what Frodo had done in Lotr. He had lived the Shire and Sam and all his friends and lived alone with his uncle in the elves kingdom.

i don't think he'll die its to be there done that chlie'. (sorry about my spelling) i think its more likely that if someone has too die to help voldy on his way that it'll be an older memeber of the order, snape, draco or maybe because he's in the wrong place at the wrong time peter

As far as I can see, there hasn't been any concrete sign altogether that Harry has to give up the Wizarding World after conquering Voldemort, assuming Harry lives. I think the parallel with Lord of the Rings is a bit misplaced, because in LotR the possibility of going to the West (as Frodo does in the end) is present throughout the story. I fail to see anything similar in the Potter books so far. Still, I do believe Harry has to give up the Wizarding World, but I'm afraid it will be in the crudest way possible. The prophecy doesn't exclude the possibility of both Harry and the Dark Lord dying...

I think, although it will never happen, it would be really good if JKR suddenly doesn't end them and you see something that leaves it on a cliffhanger. We all come on here to talk about it and then on Harry and her birthday JKR reveals there is a eighth book HARRY POTTER AND THE END OF DEATHLY HALLOWS. Mwahahahaha, yeah cuz thats really gonna happen.

I wish.

:drool:

Could Harry just vanish? I think the time turner theory could be very interesting...

:yuhup:

I just think that smilies weird ^^ hehehe

Harry lives.

But at what cost?

The story JKR is writing is the classic “hero” arc. It’s been a lockstep progression, right to the penultimate scene where the hero confronts the evildoer all alone at the final battle. He’s lost his parents, Sirius, and now his teacher, Dumbledore. Yes, he has his friends, but Harry is going to face Voldemort alone.

When the hero wins in these stories, it’s at great personal cost. He or she often must sacrifice something dear. What could it be in Harry’s case?

My guess is that Harry will have to give up the Wizarding world. The way the prophecy links the two, if Harry walks away, Voldy loses his power.

Think of the sacrifice. Harry’s only been happy at Hogwarts and the Burrow. He will never see either again. His friends, all magical, will be lost. He loses his world to save it.

If anyone gets a chance to ask JKR a question, ask, “If Harry lives, will he still be able to perform magic?”

I have thought that Harry might lose all magical powers also, but even if he was a muggle, it wouldnt mean he couldnt see his magical friends...although, it would be horrible to be in the world without being able to experience it any longer. Doesnt Hermione's parents go with her to Diagon Ally? So there are muggles permitted in right? In any case, If its a choice between muggle or death I hope JKR kills him off instead of making him live as a muggle.

I am still holding out for a happy ending!

I think the time turner theory could be very interesting...



As far as we know, all time turners were destroyed during the fight at the Ministry, isn't it? Hermione has been mentioning that this was reported in the Daily Prophet, I believe.

But it may still be a possibility, as the Daily Prophet is known for their habit to publish the truth only occasionally...

i think both harry and voldemort will get whats coming to them and its the same thing: they die but for different reasons. i think jkr will kill off voldemort 1) because its the last book, 2)because its the thing he fears most and that would be a good ending:p
I think harry wil die because the thing hes wanted most since he was in year 1 and possibly his entire life with the dursleys is to be with his family and with his real family and the 2 closest people hes had to family dead i think that wil be his fate.
plus its kinda obvious : give the good kid what he wants the most and the bad kid what he doesnt want the most

In any case, If its a choice between muggle or death I hope JKR kills him off instead of making him live as a muggle.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with this!

I think harry wil die because the thing hes wanted most since he was in year 1 and possibly his entire life with the dursleys is to be with his family and with his real family and the 2 closest people hes had to family dead i think that wil be his fate.

I think that Harry has found, during the course of the books, that "family" is not always the people to whom you have blood ties. The Dursleys were his blood, and certainly did not fulfill the definition of family. The people who did that are the Weasleys, and I think he will come to realize that he belongs with this family that has been created. Certainly Molly, and probably Arthur as well, love him like one of their own children, as demonstrated by the Boggart scene in OotP.

i think another idea would be that harry and voldemort go through the veil and harry comes out with sirius' ghost or something. wouldnt that be cool? we get rid of our most hated character aan done of our favourite come back out!
i :drool: at the thought of it :lol:
(sorry if thats too off topic)

Die Die Die!!!

I think that Harry has found, during the course of the books, that "family" is not always the people to whom you have blood ties. The Dursleys were his blood, and certainly did not fulfill the definition of family. The people who did that are the Weasleys, and I think he will come to realize that he belongs with this family that has been created. Certainly Molly, and probably Arthur as well, love him like one of their own children, as demonstrated by the Boggart scene in OotP.

I think JKR has addressed this also, in an interview. She said somewhere that Ron and Hermione have become Harry's family. It supports what you said - that Harry has learned to create his own family and he belongs with his new family.

JKR has also shown Harry turning away from the past and begin to look toward a future - one without Voldermort. He wants a career, and now he has a girl he can build that future with. Harry is learning to let go of what he lost and treasure what he has now. I don't think JKR would develop Harry in that manner if she was planning for him to die.

My theory is that Harry will limit Voldemort's strenght and rob him of deatheaters. If voldemort dies and harry survives the hp series will have afairy tale ending.....but i don't think JKR is "they lived happily ever after" kind of writer and this would not fulfil JKR's promise of unsolved puzzle's...so I think for this any ending other than above mentioned is suitable..

i thought it was very suspicious what the editor of the book said to a magazine .
She said it was a very emotional book and that she had cried a lot through out the book.
i dont know , it got me thinking though.Maybe she just said for publicity, but it made me thinking that someone we really like is going to die .
I dont want to think it is HARRY maybe is somebody else,
you know.
or maybe it is because its the last book and she is unemployed:elaugh:

i dont think that the editor said it for publicity its not like harry potters a small unheard of book is it? i thiunk the editor was truly sad and that means a character we like will die. im thinking maybe snape wil prove himself to be good and we will start to like him only for voldy to kill him

I think JKR has addressed this also, in an interview. She said somewhere that Ron and Hermione have become Harry's family. It supports what you said - that Harry has learned to create his own family and he belongs with his new family.

JKR has also shown Harry turning away from the past and begin to look toward a future - one without Voldermort. He wants a career, and now he has a girl he can build that future with. Harry is learning to let go of what he lost and treasure what he has now. I don't think JKR would develop Harry in that manner if she was planning for him to die.

I agree, Harry has become less cynical and has realized what he has in the here and now. He has learned to let go of what could have been and is looking toward what could be. I can't imagine Rowling would kill him off now there is sooo much more for him after Hogwarts, but I'm just an optimist.

Nope. It's the story of Harry Potter, so if Harry dies, we'll have no idea what happens to the rest of the magical folk because the story has ended.
(Unless Harry comes back as a ghost; ooh, spectulation!)

I mean, we could find out everything we needed to know at Harry's funeral if that's what JKR wanted.

I mean, we could find out everything we needed to know at Harry's funeral if that's what JKR wanted.

Possibly, but maybe this isn't even necessary. I thought Rowling kind of adressed this subject somewhere... Didn't she mention there was going to be an epilogue at the end of the series? Or am I mistaken?

Possibly, but maybe this isn't even necessary. I thought Rowling kind of adressed this subject somewhere... Didn't she mention there was going to be an epilogue at the end of the series? Or am I mistaken?

I believe she said in the last chapter we will find out everyones fate. I have no doubt that Harry lives.

I think it would be too easy for JKR to kill Harry in tha last book, a emergencý solution. She wont kill him, the end is going to be more complicated than that.

I have to say that I will be terribly sad if Harry dies. I feel as though I need the so-called "Disney" ending to the series. He's Harry Potter...he is the boy who lived and shall continue on living.

Although, if you look at Harry as a Christ-like figure, he will have to sacrifice himself in order to fulfill the prophecy. Now I'm not trying to sound preachy, but I have reado some theories that he is considerd to be a Christ-like figure. So if this is to be true, he would have to die in his quest to kill Voldemort. I hope though that both will end up dying in that case because who really wants to read a book where evil actually beats out the good in the world?

I have to say that I will be terribly sad if Harry dies. I feel as though I need the so-called "Disney" ending to the series. He's Harry Potter...he is the boy who lived and shall continue on living.

Although, if you look at Harry as a Christ-like figure, he will have to sacrifice himself in order to fulfill the prophecy. Now I'm not trying to sound preachy, but I have reado some theories that he is considerd to be a Christ-like figure. So if this is to be true, he would have to die in his quest to kill Voldemort. I hope though that both will end up dying in that case because who really wants to read a book where evil actually beats out the good in the world?

He is definitely a manifestation of the Savior archetype and will thus die. And it makes even more sense for that to be the case if we have an epilogue or whatever since Harry won't be around to see everyone's fate.

I believe she said in the last chapter we will find out everyones fate. I have no doubt that Harry lives.

So she's gonna say what the main people end up doing later in life after Hogwarts in the last chapter?

So she's gonna say what the main people end up doing later in life after Hogwarts in the last chapter?

That's what she said. She will also (I read somewhere quite a while ago) plan a kind of compendium of the novels with detail information about all the characters (big and little) and creatures, spells, etc. Can anyone verify this?

If there is an epiloque without Harry, Ron & Hermione, then many people will say, "Who cares what happened to Susan Bones?", because all the characters in the epilogue will be insignificant.

God I hope not. He can't. Can he? Well I don't see how you could put someone through everything that Harry has been through, and then not let him die an old, happy man. But maybe that's the purpose of Harry's life (once again, God I hope not). Maybe he is supposed to give his life in order to save the lives of others (that sounds like something I've heard before) How about this though, I think its a 50/50 chance :p

Harry needs to die for the story to end right.

Harry needs to die for the story to end right.
Why?