Assuming Peter Pettigrew was at Godric's Hollow

This is an Assuming thread Of Peter Pettigrew at Godric's Hollow.

Questions to ponder.

1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?

3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?

4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?


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1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?

Voldemort is not a real trusting guy. Since the Fidelius Charm was involved, he could not confirm Wormtail's claim until he went to Godric's Hollow. If it was trap, Voldemort wanted Wormtail to be the first to die.


2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?

Lookout, designated whimperer, and backup for "whatever". Turns out he was needed for role #3.


3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?

Vomiting at the violence, hope that he would be rewarded by Voldemort, fear that now that the Potters were dead, Voldemort would consider him useless and kill him.


4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?

Rat burrow, East end of London, near the docks. Next to his pic of Minnie Mouse.:p:

1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?

Because Pettigrew was the Secret Keeper and perhaps Voldemort wanted to make sure whether his information was correct. If not, Pettigrew would've been killed.

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?

Nothing actually. Maybe he was asked to stand back and watch the show. The only thing he was needed for was to show Voldemort the location of the cottage and stand on edge whilst he waited to be killed if he was proven wrong.

3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?

Frightened. Pettigrew knew that the Potters were powerful wizards and former friends of his and watching them die probably unnerved him.

4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?

In his robes/pants/shirt pocket/whatever it was that he was wearing and kept it with him at all times until his encounter with Voldemort after he was revealed by Moony and Sirius.

1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?

Because Pettigrew was the Secret Keeper and perhaps Voldemort wanted to make sure whether his information was correct. If not, Pettigrew would've been killed.

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?

Nothing actually. Maybe he was asked to stand back and watch the show. The only thing he was needed for was to show Voldemort the location of the cottage and stand on edge whilst he waited to be killed if he was proven wrong.

3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?

Frightened. Pettigrew knew that the Potters were powerful wizards and former friends of his and watching them die probably unnerved him.

4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?

In his robes/pants/shirt pocket/whatever it was that he was wearing and kept it with him at all times until his encounter with Voldemort after he was revealed by Moony and Sirius. Maybe he didn't use it against the Marauders in PoA because he was too cowardly to fight two fully qualified wizards and three armed teenagers?

Peter either had to take Voldemort to the Potters' house or write the address down for him. I think Voldemort would prefer the first because a) it's possible someone else could read the address and go there to protect the Potters, and b) Peter had been feeding Voldemort information for a year and none of it had quite panned out; a Peter on hand could quickly and easily become a dead Peter.

Do Peter's clothes transform with him? In the movie of PoA, he is wearing clothes . . . but later when he becomes a rat he isn't.

Do Peter's clothes transform with him? In the movie of PoA, he is wearing clothes . . . but later when he becomes a rat he isn't.

I'm sure the clothes transform. Remember in PS/SS when Dumbledore meets McGonagall at Privet Drive, she is in her cat form, and when she transforms to human, she is fully dressed.


By the way, interesting thing about Voldemort's wand ... when Voldemort gets his body back in GoF, it appears that Wormtail has been keeping his wand ready for him. But we know from the Priori Incantantem spell that Wormtail was not using Voldemort's wand when he blew up the muggles and framed Sirius for it. I wonder why? :hmm:

I think pettegrew went because he was the one who hand delivered the potters to voldemort so he got the honor of watching them be killed

I'm sure the clothes transform. Remember in PS/SS when Dumbledore meets McGonagall at Privet Drive, she is in her cat form, and when she transforms to human, she is fully dressed.


By the way, interesting thing about Voldemort's wand ... when Voldemort gets his body back in GoF, it appears that Wormtail has been keeping his wand ready for him. But we know from the Priori Incantantem spell that Wormtail was not using Voldemort's wand when he blew up the muggles and framed Sirius for it. I wonder why? :hmm:
I'm probably not supposed to answer that on this thread, but probably because a wizard will never achieve good results with another wizard's wand. Peter was a weak wizard, so, to murder all those people, he probably needed his own wand.
Anyways...
1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?
A.) to scare Peter and B.) If Peter lied, it's easier to kill him if he's standing next to you.
2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?
Watch the show and be frightened most likely. He possibly could've done small things for Voldemort like looted the house or take any important objects, but that's probably it
3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?
frightened out of his skull. At one point, they were his best friends. Plus, they were powerful, strong, and brave. If Voldemort could waste them, he could kill pretty much anyone (except, of course, a one-year old boy)
4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?
I have no idea.

I think Voldy insisted Peter go with him because I think there was a year of attempts to get the Potters with them escaping each time due to warnings by Albus' spy, Snape. I think it was Peter's last chance to hand over the Potters.

In fact, I think Voldy actually told some of his DEs that he was going somewhere with his spy (meaning Peter) that night. I think that's why Bella specifically wanted to know where Snape was that night.

Of all the options, I think Peter being at Godric's Hollow is the most probable.


1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?
Perhaps to make sure Peter was telling him the truth and to make sure he was truly loyal to him. Also I think he may have wanted Peter to watch him deal with the Potters as a warning not to think twice about trying to betray him.

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?
Probably to wait outside, maybe to keep guard. And I think Voldemort would have liked Peter to witness the destruction of his former friends as I mentioned above.

3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?
I think he may have been upset, but tried to justify to himself that he did the right thing. If he'd felt that guilty about it he'd never have tried to pin the murders on Sirius, so there really must have been some significant resentment there (as well as the desire not to be in trouble).

4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?
He could have just put it in his pocket and transformed; presumably the wand would transform with him. And he'd be able to retrieve it once he transformed back into a human.

This is an Assuming thread Of Peter Pettigrew at Godric's Hollow.
Questions to ponder.

1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?

3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?

4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?

1. I think to make sure Wormtail wasn't lying through his teeth and setting him up. Also Voldemort is pure evil I think he would bring Peter to taunt the Potters of how one of the few people they trusted without a doubt double crossed them and then set up another one of their best friends. It's just the kind of thing he loves to do.

2. I think once Voldemort did the above he made Peter be a look out just in case they were followed or the Potters sent for help.

3. I think he was pretty numb over it, in a shock way not that he didn't care. He's a coward and he did care that he destroyed a family because of it.

4. ohh that’s a really good question. Well if when wizards change into animals they still have their cloths he could have kept it in his pocket next to his own wand.

This probably doesn't fit exactly in this thread, but these are things I've always wondered and this thread brought them to mind.

Where did Peter put Voldemort's wand? No idea. I'm wondering where an animagus puts his own wand. If it transforms with him and his clothes, then he could have kept both wands on him the whole time he was Scabbers. But then, how does an animagus transform back into the person he is? Wandlessly?

What if Peter, after witnessing the deaths of the Potters and of Voldemort, sent word to Dumbledore that the Potters were dead?.. (OMG, I was just going over to see them and ... the house is gone and they're dead, Harry's alive but I don't know how...oh the horror .. )

Or maybe he sent a message to Bellatrix (or another DE)

Or both?

The only people who knew he was an animagus at that point were Sirius and Lupin. And the only one who knew he was the secret keeper was Sirius, who arrived later.

Did Peter just run to hide? Or did he try to deflect blame against himself first by sending a message?

1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?

To keep lookout. He may have thought he needed Peter somehow to let him into the house, but I believe Voldemort's knowledge of magic is too extensive for that.

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?

Keep lookout, possibly summon more DEs if needed? Remember, Voldemort has never particularly respected Peter's wizarding ability.


3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?

Peter knew James and Lily were dead as soon as he betrayed them. Check his arguments with Sirius and Lupin in PoA, he doesn't try and deny the fact he betrayed them to their deaths, he instead tries to justify betraying them.



4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?

This is an interesting question. I always thought he kept it on him the whole 12 years, but Peter apparently used his own wand to kill the 12 Muggles, as they didn't come out of Voldemort's wand in the Priori Incantatem. Another thing that troubles this theory is the fact that Peter had to use Lupin's wand to escape at the end of PoA, not his own - Peter was utterly defenseless the whole confrontation with Sirius and Lupin. So I'm willing to guess Peter buried the wand somewhere, probably somewhere in The Burrow (there would be a lot of places, as the Burrow is a farm after all). My somewhat crumbly theory on Voldemort's wand:


Peter finds the wand in the ruins of Godric's Hollow but isn't sure what to do with it, so he hides it somewhere the Ministry can't find it?
Peter uses his own wand to kill the 12 Muggles and leaves it at the crime scene with Sirius before fleeing (further strengthening the cover-up.)
Peter somehow ends up in a pet shop as a rat, perhaps he was picked up by the Magical Menagerie (Ron goes here to buy tonic for Scabbers in PoA, and Hermione gets Crookshanks in the same book.)
He is picked up by the Weasley family sometime when Percy is at Hogwarts.


After this, one of two things happens:


Peter goes and secretly recovers the wand from GH during his 12 years with the Weasleys, and hides it in the Burrow. After he escapes Sirius and Lupin, he goes to the Burrow and digs up the wand. It would have been easy enough; after all, Molly and Arthur are probably asleep at this time.
Peter recovers the wand from GH after he escapes from Sirius and Lupin.


I think the first is more likely myself.

Whew, that was a lot on a rather obscure unanswered question!

Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?
I think Voldemort made Peter carry the object that was to become the final Horcrux. My guess is that it is the Gryffindor Sword. Voldemort would not havee gotten to the right house in Godric's Hollow so he also needed Peter for that reason also. I also think that he may have needed him to make a Vow or as part of the Horcrux-making.

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?
He was only needed once the Potters were dead, so he didn't end up doing much. Voldemort died before he could make a proper Horcrux. He pretty much stood by the side lines. It was very important for Peter to watch James die. Voldemort would have liked to torture Peter for betraying his friends.

3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?
I don't think he liked watching them die, but he was too cowardly to do anything about it. RemusLupinFan is right however upset he was, he certainly didn't feel guilty. He wouldn't have framed Sirius.

4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?
The Burrow is the only answer I could think of. He had to be able to find it easily once he burried it. And the Burrow is the only place he was at for the thirteen years before Voldemort returned to power.

This is my kind of thread! :D

1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow?
I believe that Peter didn't actually reveal the secret to Voldemort until they were right in front of the Potter's house. That Peter begged for Lily's life in exchange for the secret and it wasn't until they were right there that Voldemort was willing to actually give Peter something in exchange for the secret. But I also think that Voldemort would have taken great pleasure in having Wormtail witness his best friend being murdered.

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow?
I have conflicting thoughts on this one. I think that Peter was just there to reveal the secret and stand aside. But I also have this weird feeling that perhaps you need 2 people to create a Horcrux. Perhaps, RAB was there in the cave to help with that one - and then murdered shortly after. Morfin could have helped with the Ring and then had his memory modified... I don't know, but it is an idea.

3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily?
Gosh, I hope he felt remorse, but I feel that more likely he felt that he was in too deep and went into self-preservation mode.

4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand?
I want to say he had it with him the whole time, that he transformed with it just like we saw Rita's glasses as markings on her animagus form. What do other animagi do with their wands? I think if it wasn't with him, it was left at GH. It scares me to think that he was sleeping with Percy and then Ron, and in Harry's dorm having Voldemort's wand on him though. Yikes!

1. Why did Voldemort bring Peter with him to Godric's Hollow? We know that Voldemort doesn't trust anyone, and even though Wormtail was his inside man I think he would have had reason to question Peter's information. Being there meant quick punishment for Wormtail if he was lying :evil:

2. What was Peter's role once he was at Godric's Hollow? I don't believe he had a role once the Potter's hiding place was revealed. Just like in the graveyard in GoF once he'd made his contribution he was just there to witness Voldemort do away with baby Harry.

3. How do you think Peter reacted at the deaths of James and Lily? I think he could have been sorry that it happened. Without question what he did was unforgivable, but I don't think it means he didn't have some level of guilt or regret about his actions. Like others in this thread I believe Wormtail had feelings for Lily and that was why Voldemort was willing to spare her life-- at Peter's request.

4. Where do you think Peter hid Voldemort's wand? He could have hidden it just about anywhere, but I think he had it with him ever since that night at Godric's Hollow. Since his clothes can change with him when he takes his animal form it would make sense that a wand could fit in his robes.

By the way, interesting thing about Voldemort's wand ... when Voldemort gets his body back in GoF, it appears that Wormtail has been keeping his wand ready for him. But we know from the Priori Incantantem spell that Wormtail was not using Voldemort's wand when he blew up the muggles and framed Sirius for it. I wonder why?Interesting question! I've also wonder why Wormtail felt he needed to take the wand in the first place. If he believed like everyone else that Voldemort was dead what would be the need for the it?

Voldemort wouldn't want to be wronged and I'm assuming that if you are the Secret Keeper, not even the strongest Legilimens would be allowed to penetrate your mind for any information related to it. So Voldemort, if he did not want word to spread round that he had been ridiculed and lied to by an inept wizard, Voldemort would definitely want to rid any evidence of it.

There really wasn't much of a role to Pettigrew being there. However, I can't really remember if this was mentioned at all; Pettigrew could've been the person to see James and Lily before Voldemort, get them into a relaxed mood, tell them that everything is fine and dandy before Voldemort springs in.
Weighing up the pros and cons, I think Pettigrew would've thought that power meant protection, especially for someone like him. And to tell Voldemort where James and Lily was(were) hiding, then choose to go against Voldemort to protect the Potters wouldn't be too wise. Even for someone like Peter Pettigrew.

I can't see Wormtail going to witness the killing of The Potters!
1. He wouldn't have 'the guts'
2. I don't think he could have faced the Potters, knowing what he had done. (as he was their friend!)

I can't see Wormtail going to witness the killing of The Potters!
1. He wouldn't have 'the guts'
2. I don't think he could have faced the Potters, knowing what he had done. (as he was their friend!)

On the other hand, he had the guts to cut off his own hand!

Please also note, that this thread ASSUMES that Peter was in Godric's Hollow. :) If you support the theory of another character being at Godric's Hollow check out Was anyone other than Pettigrew or Snape at Godric's Hollow when the Potters died? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=104895)

I can't see Wormtail going to witness the killing of The Potters!
1. He wouldn't have 'the guts'
2. I don't think he could have faced the Potters, knowing what he had done. (as he was their friend!)

In PoA, Pettigrew had the guts to face Harry and mention that he looked just like James, as well. I think all that he cared about was that his protector Voldemort was still strong, and upon seeing the scene of his master defeated, he takes his master's wand (perhaps it would make him feel stronger?) and flees the scene.

There really wasn't much of a role to Pettigrew being there. However, I can't really remember if this was mentioned at all; Pettigrew could've been the person to see James and Lily before Voldemort, get them into a relaxed mood, tell them that everything is fine and dandy before Voldemort springs in.Or to speculate - Peter could have entered the house with Voldemort, pushed by James and tried to get Lily to save herself, not trusting that Voldemort would spare her.

We know that Harry was in his crib when Lily was killed so that tells me that Lily was not very close Harry when Voldemort entered the house. She and James were caught off guard. Could this be because Peter entered first and they were just sitting around chatting with him unexpectedly? And did Peter and Voldemort arrive at Godric's Hollow at the same time? Or did Peter arrive earlier?

If Peter did arrive earlier, I would hope that he was trying to warn the Potters to quickly relocate, however, I think it is the more despicable idea that he had to ensure that the Potters were at the house when Voldemort arrived - otherwise it would have been Peter's own skin on the line.