J.K. Rowling's Official Website Thread v.14

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Spritey
June 1st, 2007, 12:20 am
It came up! There's nothing there, either!

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:21 am
WotM

Salazar Slytherin

One of the four celebrated Founders of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, Salazar Slytherin was one of the first recorded Parselmouths, an accomplished Legilimens, and a notorious champion of pureblood supremacy.

TravDogg
June 1st, 2007, 12:21 am
Slytherin is up on the text only version now. My "backdoor" involved going to the address of the page that I thought contains the card and then decompiling it. Apparantly it was actually a page containing an old wizard card.

Tenshi
June 1st, 2007, 12:21 am
Ok we have it:


Edited away :lol:


Well I don't think we learned something new today.

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:22 am
where?? he still isnt up for me!!! and ive got my clock switched to make it the 1st of june and everything!!

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:22 am
But only in the textonly version! I`m eager to see the picture!

snapegirl
June 1st, 2007, 12:22 am
Yay Slytherin! Founder of my favorite house!

Spritey
June 1st, 2007, 12:22 am
Yay, the pattern continues! *dances* Ravenclaw for August! Ravenclaw for August!

And he's holding the locket, of course!

Edit: Wait, it's silver. Wasn't Slytherin's locket gold...?

BelleGreenfield
June 1st, 2007, 12:23 am
I'm blank too. I think someone was toying with our emotions!

snapegirl
June 1st, 2007, 12:23 am
But only in the textonly version! I`m eager to see the picture!
The picture came up for me.

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:24 am
oo ok got it now!! wonder why its only on the text version?? catn wait to see the pic!!

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 12:24 am
He has the locket on!! The pattern continues! The Founders with their Horcruxes...July will be interesting! :)

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:24 am
Yay, the pattern continues! *dances* Ravenclaw for August! Ravenclaw for August!

And he's holding the locket, of course!

Could you see a picture? For me it is blank.

chemene
June 1st, 2007, 12:25 am
Its UP!
Slytherin has on the locket! My is he ugly and evil looking!

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:25 am
still blank for me to!! someone post a pic please!!

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:25 am
Could someone that can see the picture make a screenpicture and post it here?

BelleGreenfield
June 1st, 2007, 12:26 am
Okay, is it just me or does he not look ANYTHING like what I expected. Anyone else?

olive632
June 1st, 2007, 12:26 am
Ok I admit it I was wrong, I am happy for whoever had a theory about the birthdays. I still don't have a picture though either.

BublGumPnkHar
June 1st, 2007, 12:26 am
Could you see a picture? For me it is blank.

You have to refresh the site. I got it after I did that.

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:27 am
come one!! somone pleaseee post a screencapture...i cant see anything..he dosnt come up for me and ireally wanna see thepic!!

Tenshi
June 1st, 2007, 12:28 am
Screen cap

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/mad_tenshi/CoS%20Forums/Wotm.png

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 12:28 am
http://www.cosforums.com/images/img/21352465f59ab4690b.JPG

Here's a screenshot. I didn't picture him bald.

Yay the locket!

ETA: The pace on here is getting crazy!

olive632
June 1st, 2007, 12:28 am
Yes I have the picture now. He looks very old.

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:30 am
weird...dosnt look anything like i though hewould...and why the heck is the locket silver?? wasnt it a gold locket??

Spritey
June 1st, 2007, 12:30 am
It's silver, though! HPL has the locket as being gold. Is it a clue...?

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:30 am
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/Bluebell_2007/Salazar.jpg

chemene
June 1st, 2007, 12:30 am
Okay, is it just me or does he not look ANYTHING like what I expected. Anyone else?

He looks nothing like I had pictured! My daughter just looked at him and said gross! I pictured him to be brunette and handsome.

Tenshi
June 1st, 2007, 12:31 am
But you have to admit. He looks like a monkey ...

BublGumPnkHar
June 1st, 2007, 12:31 am
He does have that monkeyish look, boy is he ugly. Monkeys are cuter. :D

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 12:31 am
The locket on the UK Adult edition cover art is silver, isn't it?

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:32 am
He looks monkey-like, like the statue in the Chamber of Secrets.
And why is the locket silver? It was described as golden in the hut of the Gaunts.

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 12:32 am
No I didn't picture him as being anything like that.

Slytherin colours are green and silver, not gold. Maybe the artist just thought it fit better with the theme?

chemene
June 1st, 2007, 12:32 am
The locket on the UK Adult edition cover art is silver, isn't it?

Yes I think it is silver

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:32 am
yea, know that you mention it was silver on the cover!!! but in HBP im pretty sure its gold

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 12:35 am
It's gold on the cover. I'm looking at the cover art here. (http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/dhcovers/hp7adultuk.jpg)

TravDogg
June 1st, 2007, 12:35 am
Let's compromise and call it white gold.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:35 am
yea, know that you mention it was silver on the cover!!! but in HBP im pretty sure its gold

Yes it is described as golden in Odgens memory in HBP.

Tenshi
June 1st, 2007, 12:36 am
No it's gold there. (http://english.people.com.cn/200703/29/images/xinsrc_152030429125684327911.jpg)

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:36 am
then why is it sliver on here?? is it a clue?? hope so!!

Spritey
June 1st, 2007, 12:38 am
He looks nothing like I had pictured! My daughter just looked at him and said gross! I pictured him to be brunette and handsome.

He was described as looking like a monkey in CoS, though, wasn't he? I like his evil finger steepling :lol:

Let's compromise and call it white gold.

No way is that white gold. It's silver, isn't it? *adjusts monitor*

Tenshi
June 1st, 2007, 12:39 am
Can we take it as "canon" as it's on Jo's site? :scared:

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:40 am
its silver all right!! that much is obvious...question is: do you guys really think that Jo would let that huge of a detail get by her?? of course not, this has gotta be a clue for DH

Spritey
June 1st, 2007, 12:40 am
Can we take it as "canon" as it's on Jo's site? :scared:


And the canon rule returns to throw us into confusion. Excellent :D

question is: do you guys really think that Jo would let that huge of a detail get by her?? of course not, this has gotta be a clue for DH

I really want to know who does the art now.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:40 am
He was described as looking like a monkey in CoS, though, wasn't he? I like his evil finger steepling :lol:


The statue in the Chamber was described looking monkeyish.


No way is that white gold. It's silver, isn't it? *adjusts monitor*

On the WotM picture it`s clearly silver, but it should be gold.

BelleGreenfield
June 1st, 2007, 12:41 am
But you have to admit. He looks like a monkey ...OMG he does!!!

Spritey
June 1st, 2007, 12:43 am
The statue in the Chamber was described looking monkeyish.

That's the one (I need to get started on my reread, don't I?)


On the WotM picture it`s clearly silver, but it should be gold.

Unless it's not a mistake *frown* Well, they'll clarify it if it is a mistake, won't they? They hopefully wouldn't keep us in the dark.

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:43 am
ok guys....lets get down to the "why is it silver" descusion and just forget about him looking like a monkey!! doubht thats important... :lol: srry if i sound mad or anything...im just curious as to why the heck jo would let this happen if it wheren a clue for DH?? and, if it is, do you guys really think Jo would have gave us something like this??

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:44 am
Well I don't think we learned something new today.

I find it interesting that he was a Legilimence. So he could "read" like his great-great...great-grandson.

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 12:44 am
Can't find my copy of HBP, but the lexicon definitely says that the locket is gold.

And I'm not sure precisely how much attention she pays to the WotM pictures. I'll wait a bit before I start with the elaborate theories!

mugglesrock
June 1st, 2007, 12:46 am
Whoa, I hope Jo clears this up, and if she doesn't then it's probably supposed to be that way! I do wonder how it could be silver though. :hmm:

On a different note, I am glad our 'Founders' theory for the WotM turned out to be right. ;)


I find it interesting that he was a Legilimence. So he could "read" like his great-great...great-grandson.


Yep, seems that Tom Riddle got two important talents Slytherin had: Legilimency and Parseltongue.

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 12:46 am
Probably just coincidence, but his fingers form a similar shape to the triangle symbol on the cover art. Over-analyzation? Perhaps! But maybe not :evil:

BelleGreenfield
June 1st, 2007, 12:46 am
maybe the fake one is the wrong color? Or maybe when it was made into a horcrux it changed color? *grasping at straws*

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 12:47 am
well...i guess we can at least say that the founders WotM is true!!!

chemene
June 1st, 2007, 12:48 am
I just looked at the cover art for DH and the locket looks like silver that has tarnished. Like it has been neglected for years and years. Has anyone ever had to polish tarnished silver before? When silver gets that tarnished it can take on that bronzed look.
The locket Slytherin has on looks shiny and clean.

Spritey
June 1st, 2007, 12:49 am
Probably just coincidence, but his fingers form a similar shape to the triangle symbol on the cover art. Over-analyzation? Perhaps! But maybe not :evil:

*jawdrop* Oh my, wow, you're right! His thumbs even... that can't be a coincidence, can it?

On a different note, I am glad our 'Founders' theory for the WotM turned out to be right.

Me too! I can't wait for the next two - I know, I know, we only just got Slytherin, but still... I want to know more about Ravenclaw especially.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:50 am
Can't find my copy of HBP, but the lexicon definitely says that the locket is gold.
I read the scene in the Gaunt House last night and the locket was described as golden.


And I'm not sure precisely how much attention she pays to the WotM pictures. I'll wait a bit before I start with the elaborate theories!

I think that is a good explanation. Maybe Jo saw a pencil drawing of him and after that it was coloured.


On a different note, I am glad our 'Founders' theory for the WotM turned out to be right. ;)

At least one of our theories was right, after the debacle with the WOMBAT divination.

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 12:54 am
I just looked at the cover art for DH and the locket looks like silver that has tarnished. Like it has been neglected for years and years. Has anyone ever had to polish tarnished silver before? When silver gets that tarnished it can take on that bronzed look.
The locket Slytherin has on looks shiny and clean.
That's true, and it does look like that. And yet the book definitely says gold, so maybe it does mean something, but I'm going to remain somewhat sceptical, because I had very firm theories for the last two books that turned out to be totally wrong, so I don't want to be disappointed again.

Not that I won't dabble in the theories though!

BTW, 7 pages in 24 hours so far.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:55 am
Probably just coincidence, but his fingers form a similar shape to the triangle symbol on the cover art. Over-analyzation? Perhaps! But maybe not :evil:

The triangle is clearly visible. If I use a little bit of fantasy, I could see the circle he is building with his small fingers. And the necklace string would be the vertical line through the circle.

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 12:56 am
The cover art picture also has an "S" shape, but no serpent. The WoTM locket is definately a serpent in the letter "S".

mugglesrock
June 1st, 2007, 12:59 am
Me too! I can't wait for the next two - I know, I know, we only just got Slytherin, but still... I want to know more about Ravenclaw especially.

It's okay, I want to find out about Ravenclaw as well. :lol:


At least one of our theories was right, after the debacle with the WOMBAT divination.

Yep, I am rooting for the next WotM to be Gryffindor. :D

And yeah, I also see the triange being formed by Slytherin's fingers. :scared: Wow, this can't be a co-incidence!

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 12:59 am
The cover art picture also has an "S" shape, but no serpent. The WoTM locket is definately a serpent in the letter "S".

Is someone able to make a picture of Salazar with more pixels so we could have a better look at the locket?

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 1:03 am
I don't know, I don't think either of them is exactly a serpent, but rather they're both suggestive of one (the WotM locket perhaps more so).

With the triangle thing:

I desperately want to know how much of the story the illustrator knows! Like the locket -- could easily (probably? hmm...) just be overactive imaginations at 1am or it could be something more.

Again, I'm erring on sceptisism but it is interesting.

And apart from anything else the artist willl have seen all the cover art. I wonder if he thought the locket on the front was silver?

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 1:03 am
Is someone able to make a picture of Salazar with more pixels so we could have a better look at the locket?

The serpent on the locket also has a triangle on its tail. No coincidence here!

mugglesrock
June 1st, 2007, 1:03 am
There is a serpent on the letter 'S'. I just magnified the locket on Paint and you can vaguely the see the serpent's head. :agree:

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 1:05 am
I desperately want to know how much of the story the illustrator knows!

I thought the illustrator had to read the entire book, in order to make the cover and chapter art. I know Mary Grand Pre, the illustrator for the US editions, does.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 1:07 am
I don't know, I don't think either of them is exactly a serpent, but rather they're both suggestive of one (the WotM locket perhaps more so).

With the triangle thing:

I desperately want to know how much of the story the illustrator knows! Like the locket -- could easily (probably? hmm...) just be overactive imaginations at 1am or it could be something more.

Again, I'm erring on sceptisism but it is interesting.

And apart from anything else the artist willl have seen all the cover art. I wonder if he thought the locket on the front was silver?

We know that Mary GandPre reads the book before she draws the cover. I`m not sure about the british illustrator. Now that it is the same for the last book there is also the possibility that he reads the book before.

The serpent on the locket also has a triangle on its tail. No coincidence here!

Yeah, but without a larger picture of the locket around Salazars neck it is quite difficult to examine.

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 1:10 am
Is someone able to make a picture of Salazar with more pixels so we could have a better look at the locket?


How's this?

http://www.cosforums.com/images/img/21352465f631550913.JPG

And I actually meant the person who drew Slytherin's picture there, not the illustrtor of the book. Sorry, I'm not always clear at this time of day!

ETA: Okay, having looked again it really is pretty serpentine.

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 1:11 am
Heh I am not good with this stuff, but I simply magnified the locket [and included Slytherin's hands in the pic for anyone interested]:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/hypergirl18/Wotm.png

I hope it shows up for you guys. :shrug:

Yes, it is clearly a snake. It definately has a head with an eye, and the tail is a triangle.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 1:12 am
Heh I am not good with this stuff, but I simply magnified the locket [and included Slytherin's hands in the pic for anyone interested]:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/hypergirl18/Wotm.png

I hope it shows up for you guys. :shrug:

Thanks for your effort, but it isn`t large enough. I`m interested to see if there are the same gems as on the cover.

TravDogg
June 1st, 2007, 1:12 am
You can get an enlarged picture of anything by going to http://www.jkrowling.com/f7b3qash/level_0.swf and right-clicking to zoom in. Unfortunately, the locket goes out of focus when you zoom in on it.

mugglesrock
June 1st, 2007, 1:13 am
Yes, it is clearly a snake. It definately has a head with an eye, and the tail is a triangle.

Ack, I deleted my previous post. Flee_From_Death's version of the locket is much more clearer!

I do believe the person who does the site's artwork has to read the books. :shrug: Or at least they should get it approved by Jo..

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 1:15 am
How's this?

http://www.cosforums.com/images/img/21352465f631550913.JPG

And I actually meant the person who drew Slytherin's picture there, not the illustrtor of the book. Sorry, I'm not always clear at this time of day!

ETA: Okay, having looked again it really is pretty serpentine.

That`s the resolution I was looking for, thanks!
And no gems on it. This means there are big differences between this picture and the one of the cover.

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 1:20 am
There are big differences, but honestly how much time do you think most people spend looking at the WotM? If JKR isn't expecting people to pay much attention to it then she might take the attitude that it just has to be close enough, and not perfect.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 1:20 am
You can get an enlarged picture of anything by going to http://www.jkrowling.com/f7b3qash/level_0.swf and right-clicking to zoom in. Unfortunately, the locket goes out of focus when you zoom in on it.

Thank you so much! I didn`t knew that there was a large version of the site. Now I could explore some of the things that are hidden after the site is fully loaded.

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 1:21 am
There are big differences, but honestly how much time do you think most people spend looking at the WotM? If JKR isn't expecting people to pay much attention to it then she might take the attitude that it just has to be close enough, and not perfect.

After all the fuss made with Hufflepuff, she had to know we would be looking for this one. :)

Nicole
June 1st, 2007, 1:27 am
I`m interested to see if there are the same gems as on the cover. No gems were described as part of the locket in HBP, why should they be there? :huh: It's just dramatic effect by the photographer for the UK adult cover--cool that he found a silver locket encrusted with an emerald "s", but it's just a photo. :)

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 1:27 am
After all the fuss made with Hufflepuff, she had to know we would be looking for this one. :)

I totally agree. And Lightmaker could see how many people were looking at the site after Helga showed up. I think there was a big difference related to other WotMs.

Flee From Death
June 1st, 2007, 1:29 am
After all the fuss made with Hufflepuff, she had to know we would be looking for this one.
Yes indeed, how could I forget?:)

Right, I'm going to sleep until I can make more sense to other people and to me.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 1:29 am
No gems were described as part of the locket in HBP, why should they be there? :huh: It's just dramatic effect by the photographer for the UK adult cover--cool that he found a silver locket encrusted with an emerald "s", but it's just a photo. :)

I don`t think they found a locket that fits the description, I think it was made for. Like the two snakes on the adult cover of CoS.

silver ink pot
June 1st, 2007, 1:33 am
I must have been having some weird premonition earlier today when I wrote This Post (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=4538739&postcount=713):

There might be a twist - what if that locket with the "S" isn't really the "hallow" of Salazar Slytherin for instance? The Gaunt family already had the Peverell ring, and it's been destroyed. What if that "S" locket came from Merope's mother? We don't know who she was.

:wow: And what's giving me goosebumps is that I wrote that in post 713! OMG! That's Harry's Vault at Gringott's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Sorry - A Little Freaked Out to put it mildly*

*Calms down and breathes*

I honestly think that is a different locket than the one on the British adult cover, which appears burnished gold to me:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/Locket-1.gif

Just for fun, here is the necklace JKR wore in New York last summer. It is obviously a Snake.:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/JKR-Necklace3.jpg



Also, I think she will not 'clear this up' because it might give away a plot point! Silver or Gold? She'll probably say, "What do you think?" :rotfl:

HGHPRW
June 1st, 2007, 1:34 am
After all the fuss made with Hufflepuff, she had to know we would be looking for this one.
Yeah, maybe she does browse here after all. Yay for the new WotM! Wow, this page took forever to load, we have added over 100 posts! Also, 13 people are viewing right now.

And what's giving me goosebumps is that I wrote that in post 713! OMG! That's Harry's Vault at Gringott's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Sorry - A Little Freaked Out to put it mildly*

*Calms down and breathes*

I honestly think that is a different locket than the one on the British adult cover, which appears burnished gold to me:

Just for fun, here is the necklace JKR wore in New York last summer. It is obviously a Snake.:

Also, I think she will not 'clear this up' because it might give away a plot point! Silver or Gold? She'll probably say, "What do you think?"

Yikes! I agree, that's what she'll say, or 'I can't tell you that' and we'll still be debating here.

silver ink pot
June 1st, 2007, 1:36 am
There are big differences, but honestly how much time do you think most people spend looking at the WotM?
I find that a bit hilarious since it took me 20 minutes to read through six or seven pages of talk about the WOTM that have been posted since this morning! :lol:

HGHPRW
June 1st, 2007, 1:43 am
I find that a bit hilarious since it took me 20 minutes to read through six or seven pages of talk about the WOTM that have been posted since this morning!
Yeah, me too, it took forever to read all of those posts. As for that, Flee From Death, I spend a few minutes per month, right at the beginning, and when I have to look something up.

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 1:46 am
In the last 24 hours, counting until 9pm EST, we have 165 new posts so far, encompassing 9 pages. :) But you have to admit, this is a very interesting update to discuss.

Grebby
June 1st, 2007, 1:58 am
Maybe, the locket that was in the stone basin in the cave was mearly replaced by R.A.B. and R.A.B. destroyed the real one.
or this was done on purpose to say that maybe it was a fake horcrux Voldemort planted there.. but I doubt that.

I think its relating to silver and gold for Gringotts, as Ive stated before Gringotts has a lot to do with DH I think.. the front cover looks like a vault.

RiverIsis
June 1st, 2007, 3:46 am
That's true, and it does look like that. And yet the book definitely says gold, so maybe it does mean something, but I'm going to remain somewhat sceptical, because I had very firm theories for the last two books that turned out to be totally wrong, so I don't want to be disappointed again.

Not that I won't dabble in the theories though!

BTW, 7 pages in 24 hours so far.

Do we have the quote about the locket in HBP and who said that Slytherin's locket is gold? It reminds me of when Dumbledore said (paraphrasing here - many apologies) because he so clever when he makes mistakes they are exponentially larger than most people's :hmm:


Trust me to go out and miss the "doesn't Slytherin look like a monkey" debate! :rotfl:

HMN
June 1st, 2007, 3:54 am
No gems were described as part of the locket in HBP, why should they be there? :huh: It's just dramatic effect by the photographer for the UK adult cover--cool that he found a silver locket encrusted with an emerald "s", but it's just a photo. :)Totally agree. There are only 2 lockets we are concerned with the real Horcrux and the fake. Doesn't really matter which is on the cover - it only reiterates the idea that the title refers to the Horcruxes - and that they are deathly.

meesha1971
June 1st, 2007, 4:34 am
Do we have the quote about the locket in HBP and who said that Slytherin's locket is gold? It reminds me of when Dumbledore said (paraphrasing here - many apologies) because he so clever when he makes mistakes they are exponentially larger than most people's :hmm:


Trust me to go out and miss the "doesn't Slytherin look like a monkey" debate! :rotfl:

More than one actually. :)

“See this?” he bellowed at Ogden, shaking a heavy gold locket at him, while Merope spluttered and gasped for breath.

She slid back the fine filigree clasp and flipped open the box. There upon the smooth crimson velvet lay a heavy golden locket.

Voldemort reached out his hand, without invitation this time, and held it up to the light, staring at it.

“Slytherin’s mark,” he said quietly, as the light played upon an ornate, serpentine S.

The fake locket was gold as well, but it did not have Slytherin's mark.

“Water,” panted Harry. “Yes —” He leapt to his feet and seized the goblet he had dropped in the basin; he barely registered the golden locket lying curled beneath it.

He turned the locket over in his hands. This was neither as large as the locket he remembered seeing in the Pensieve, nor were there any markings upon it, no sign of the ornate S that was supposed to be Slytherins mark.

So both lockets are described as being gold in the books. I suppose it's possible that the locket was originally silver and was gold plated at some point, but I can't see why something like that would be significant. I'm wondering if this is just a mistake made by whoever does the drawings for the WotM. If so, I wonder if it will be corrected?

And I think Slytherin looks like a monkey too! :lol:

silver ink pot
June 1st, 2007, 4:54 am
Do we have the quote about the locket in HBP and who said that Slytherin's locket is gold? It reminds me of when Dumbledore said (paraphrasing here - many apologies) because he so clever when he makes mistakes they are exponentially larger than most people's :hmm:



No one says the locket is gold - Harry sees it for himself in "House of Gaunt."



With a howl of rage, Gaunt ran towards his daughter. For a split second Harry thought he was going to throttle her as his hand flew to her throat; next moment, he was dragging her toward Ogden by a gold chain around her neck.

"See this?" he bellowed at Ogden, shaking a heavy gold locket at him, while Merope sputtered and gasped for breath.

. . . "Slytherin's!" yelled Gaunt. "Salazar Slytherin's! We're his last living descendents . . . "



And then later Harry is told in "The Secret Riddle" that Merope sold Slytherin's locket to Caractacus Burke for ten galleons.

Then the locket in the cave, which looks different, is also gold.



(Harry) . . . leapt to his feet and seized the goblet he had dropped in the basin; he barely registered the golden locket lying curled beneath it.



The locket they had managed to steal so many hours before had fallen out of Dumbledore's pocket. . . .
He turned the locket over in his hands. This was neither as large as the locket he remembered seeing in the Pensieve, nor were there any markings upon it, no sign of the ornate "S" that was supposed to be Slytherin's mark.


So here's what all that means:

We have two gold lockets in HBP.

The one that belonged to Merope was gold with an ornate "S" on it.
The one from the Cave did not have an S, but was still golden.

There hasn't been another locket anywhere except possibly at Grimmauld Place, and we don't know what metal it was. It's just described in Chapter 6 as a heavy locket that none of them could open. So that might be important too. We know also that Mundungus stole alot of items from Grimmauld Place and had them in a suitcase in HBP.

So that's possibly three lockets - 2 gold, 1 unknown.

Then we have Salazar with a silver locket. So either that is a clue, or it is a mistake.

HPFanNZ
June 1st, 2007, 5:01 am
The locket on the UK adult cover wasn't actually found by the photographer, it was computer generated as I discovered when I went to get a replica made a month ago.

I ended up not getting the stones in it, but it is beautifully engraved with the exact same mark.

silver ink pot
June 1st, 2007, 6:20 am
The locket on the UK adult cover wasn't actually found by the photographer, it was computer generated as I discovered when I went to get a replica made a month ago.

I ended up not getting the stones in it, but it is beautifully engraved with the exact same mark.

I'm not sure what you mean by computer generated. On the back cover flap of the Adult British Edition (http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/dhcovers/hp7adultuk.jpg), there is credit given to photographer Michael Wildsmith, who has done photographs for all the Adult British versions. For the HBP book, he took pictures of an actual book, which he talked about later in an interview, and that seems to be the case with the locket.

Since a photographer took a photo for the cover, he had to be photographing something, right?

Perhaps you meant that the photo had been enhanced in some way to add the green stones or something? By that I mean, he could have photographed a large locket and then added the ornament with computer graphics?

I'm curious about your information and where you got the idea it wasn't a photograph.

cfptwenty
June 1st, 2007, 7:58 am
Wow, i was right, it was salazar...but which one next? It will be tricky because it would give the item away thats a horcrux and we don't know any other horcruxes for definate...would JKR really give that kind of info away? Or does she think we, the dedicated fans, deserve a little piece of info?

I think we'll have another founder with that ever they are holding blanked out or something, surely she cant tell us what the horcrux is before we actualyl read the book?

IMissPadfoot
June 1st, 2007, 8:16 am
Wow - I have to stop sleeping! :rotfl:

I am kind of glad that we got the Four Founders for WotM right - but I am just as confused about the locket as everyone else!

I think we'll have another founder with that ever they are holding blanked out or something, surely she cant tell us what the horcrux is before we actualyl read the book?
Hmm - that's a fair point actually. Though I doubt she would have the items blurred out - it would just be better not to include them at all, wouldn't it?

kingwidgit
June 1st, 2007, 8:51 am
I think it interesting that Slytherin's silver locket has a serpent on it, rather than a stylized "s", as the gold one does. The silver too, is interesting. Why silver? Is it a mistake? Or was there more than one?

Mary Grand Pre did Scholastic's chapter art for Order of the Phoenix, and although it's only mentioned that Voldemort conjured a silver shield [during his battle with Dumbledore] and nothing about what if anything was inscribed on it, her art shows a snake---could be considered a stylized "s" serpent.
Shield (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/kingwidgit/normal_ootpchap36.jpg?t=1180683660)

On the UK cover of HBP, a totally different artist, Jason Cockcroft, did a similar image on Marvolo Gaunt's Ring with the Peverell coat of arms---a manipulated image shows the crack reduced and what appears to be a stylized "s" or a serpent on a shield.
Ring (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/kingwidgit/thringnocrack.jpg?t=1180684062)

Perhaps, when Slytherin started out at Hogwarts, silver was his preferred medium. It is one of Slytherin's colors.

Runes
June 1st, 2007, 8:54 am
It really is Slytherin! :clap: Does that fit my WotM-birthday theory? :eyebrows:

The theory was that May had Professor Sprout's (a hufflepuff's) birthday, so we had Helga as the WotM. June has Malfoy's, a Slytherin's birthday, July has two Gryffindor birthdays (Harry and Neville), and we don't know about any Ravenclaw birthdays, but its a possibility that Luna's might be in August. It fits, yay!

Slytherin looks pretty much how I pictured him, though the book describes him as having a long beard down to his feet. But he's monkeyish.

So why is the locket silver?

cfptwenty
June 1st, 2007, 8:55 am
Quote:
Originally Posted by cfptwenty
I think we'll have another founder with that ever they are holding blanked out or something, surely she cant tell us what the horcrux is before we actualyl read the book?


Hmm - that's a fair point actually. Though I doubt she would have the items blurred out - it would just be better not to include them at all, wouldn't it?


But that would negate the point of her putting the hogwarts founders as WotM. Its obvious she's been waiting for the run up to the final book to release these wizards who are the most famous of wizards. And the reason being is because her last harry potter book is all about the final horcruxes, which happen to be objects owned by the founders of hogwarts...and it just so happens that the final WoM with a hogwarts founder will be after the book is released...after we know the biggest secrets, which tells me that we should already know the 3rd horcrux...but do we? gryffindors sword or ravenclaws wand?

I really am perplexed as we don't know what the 3rd horcrux is and if she tells us on the picture of the WotM in july, then she's releasing a big spoiler...maybe they'll have their hands behind thier backs holding something?

Tane
June 1st, 2007, 9:06 am
No one says the locket is gold - Harry sees it for himself in "House of Gaunt."



With a howl of rage, Gaunt ran towards his daughter. For a split second Harry thought he was going to throttle her as his hand flew to her throat; next moment, he was dragging her toward Ogden by a gold chain around her neck.

"See this?" he bellowed at Ogden, shaking a heavy gold locket at him, while Merope sputtered and gasped for breath.

. . . "Slytherin's!" yelled Gaunt. "Salazar Slytherin's! We're his last living descendents . . . "



And then later Harry is told in "The Secret Riddle" that Merope sold Slytherin's locket to Caractacus Burke for ten galleons.

Then the locket in the cave, which looks different, is also gold.



(Harry) . . . leapt to his feet and seized the goblet he had dropped in the basin; he barely registered the golden locket lying curled beneath it.



The locket they had managed to steal so many hours before had fallen out of Dumbledore's pocket. . . .
He turned the locket over in his hands. This was neither as large as the locket he remembered seeing in the Pensieve, nor were there any markings upon it, no sign of the ornate "S" that was supposed to be Slytherin's mark.


So here's what all that means:

We have two gold lockets in HBP.

The one that belonged to Merope was gold with an ornate "S" on it.
The one from the Cave did not have an S, but was still golden.

There hasn't been another locket anywhere except possibly at Grimmauld Place, and we don't know what metal it was. It's just described in Chapter 6 as a heavy locket that none of them could open. So that might be important too. We know also that Mundungus stole alot of items from Grimmauld Place and had them in a suitcase in HBP.

So that's possibly three lockets - 2 gold, 1 unknown.

Then we have Salazar with a silver locket. So either that is a clue, or it is a mistake.I might go with there being a third unknown locket. As the locket at Grimmauld is described as heavy and gold is heavy but silver is light.

This third locket would explain the vault of treasure pictured on the UK cover. A plain silver locket amoung all that more wealthy looking treasure is less likely to be picked up. Then again as you stated we never saw what metal the locket at Grimmauld was made from.

You know one more wizard of the month before the book release, G. Gryffindor or R. Ravenclaw.

olive632
June 1st, 2007, 9:16 am
Oh what a discussion. I should have stayed up last night instead of turning in. I have also had my HBP book out this morning to find the quotes that where put up earlier and one thing that has occured to me is could the S on the locket have been removed from the locket and placed on a gold locket instead as I think we heard in OotP that they can be removed so maybe this is what happened.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 9:29 am
Wow, i was right, it was salazar...but which one next? It will be tricky because it would give the item away thats a horcrux and we don't know any other horcruxes for definate...would JKR really give that kind of info away? Or does she think we, the dedicated fans, deserve a little piece of info?

I think we'll have another founder with that ever they are holding blanked out or something, surely she cant tell us what the horcrux is before we actualyl read the book?

But why must all the items the founders hold on their pictures be Horcruxes? They`re all possible Horcruxes, and so we will see Gryffindor next holding his swort. Dumbledore told us that the sword is the only known relic of Gryffindor, therefore it would not give to much away. We could wonder if Voldemort reached his goal to turn it into a Horcrux or not. And for August the most likely founder is Rowena because we know nothing about her item at the moment.

Yoana
June 1st, 2007, 9:30 am
I guess Gryffindor will be next, with his sword. After all, nobody said they have to be holding Horcruxes - they are obvioulsy just holding their relics. Gryffindor's only remaining relic is the sword and it's not a Horcrux (according to Dumbledore).

EDIT: Anett, we were posting at the same time, and it seems thinking alike ;)

Sup_Figgy
June 1st, 2007, 9:47 am
Gryffindor's only remaining relic is the sword and it's not a Horcrux (according to Dumbledore).

While I agree with the first part of your post, I'd like to add that JKR confirmed that the Sorting Hat was also Gryffindor's.

Tane
June 1st, 2007, 9:49 am
I think it interesting that Slytherin's silver locket has a serpent on it, rather than a stylized "s", as the gold one does. The silver too, is interesting. Why silver? Is it a mistake? Or was there more than one?

Mary Grand Pre did Scholastic's chapter art for Order of the Phoenix, and although it's only mentioned that Voldemort conjured a silver shield [during his battle with Dumbledore] and nothing about what if anything was inscribed on it, her art shows a snake---could be considered a stylized "s" serpent.
Shield (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/kingwidgit/normal_ootpchap36.jpg?t=1180683660)

On the UK cover of HBP, a totally different artist, Jason Cockcroft, did a similar image on Marvolo Gaunt's Ring with the Peverell coat of arms---a manipulated image shows the crack reduced and what appears to be a stylized "s" or a serpent on a shield.
Ring (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/kingwidgit/thringnocrack.jpg?t=1180684062)

Perhaps, when Slytherin started out at Hogwarts, silver was his preferred medium. It is one of Slytherin's colors.Not only that but if you look at the UK DH cover there in the vault is a silver chest gaurd and on it is a serpent. There is a silver helmet with a silver dragon on it in the vault too. If in the medieval times Salazar was fighting he would not want to walk around in gold, it would be too heavy.

Voldemort liked to collect things of value and not just from the founders. So where does he stash it all. The goblins do not care who they deal buisness with.

You know does the silver locket suggest something else. That Merope's locket was fake (if golden) and that Voldemort is not the true heir of Slytherin? I mean Voldemort is hiding the fact that he is half blood, so what other little facts could he be hiding.

Or was that memory of the golden chain modified in some way to lead people off the sent. I mean Voldemort could of planted fake golden lockets as well.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 9:49 am
I guess Gryffindor will be next, with his sword. After all, nobody said they have to be holding Horcruxes - they are obvioulsy just holding their relics. Gryffindor's only remaining relic is the sword and it's not a Horcrux (according to Dumbledore).

EDIT: Anett, we were posting at the same time, and it seems thinking alike ;)

Glad to see I`m not alone with those thoughts!
I will be sitting on a train when the next WotM appears, I will miss the great talk about it. :upset:

cfptwenty
June 1st, 2007, 9:50 am
But why must all the items the founders hold on their pictures be Horcruxes? They`re all possible Horcruxes, and so we will see Gryffindor next holding his swort. Dumbledore told us that the sword is the only known relic of Gryffindor, therefore it would not give to much away. We could wonder if Voldemort reached his goal to turn it into a Horcrux or not. And for August the most likely founder is Rowena because we know nothing about her item at the moment.

Yeah i understand, it might not be a horcrux thing, just their relics so not necessarily spoilers...though it might be giving us clues, maybe Voldemort is still trying to get the sword to make it into a horcrux with harrys death? Maybe that will happen? but because of their bond of blood, the making of the horcurx brings harry back to life?

Freaky
June 1st, 2007, 10:13 am
We were right, we were right, we were right!

Yay, I got a theory right for a change!

I can't believe I had to wade through 3 pages of posts till I found who it was (and no, I wasn't going to go to Alastor D's update thread - that takes out all the excitement!!!!!!)

So Salazar Slytherin.

MAGICicalMUggle
June 1st, 2007, 10:14 am
I think that Slytherin's locket was originally silver..But after a thousand years it is likely to get worn out and tarnished...I believe that the reason why on the adult cover it seems like its gold because it is really really old...LOL:lol:


I noticed that slytherin is holding up the sign of a pyramid...and looks really similar to the symbol on the spine of childrens U.K cover..and what i find interesting is that the snakes tail on the locket is a pyramid....Coincidence/i don't think so.:relax:

IMissPadfoot
June 1st, 2007, 10:27 am
But why must all the items the founders hold on their pictures be Horcruxes? They`re all possible Horcruxes, and so we will see Gryffindor next holding his swort. Dumbledore told us that the sword is the only known relic of Gryffindor, therefore it would not give to much away. We could wonder if Voldemort reached his goal to turn it into a Horcrux or not. And for August the most likely founder is Rowena because we know nothing about her item at the moment.
That is very true! :D

Schlubalybub
June 1st, 2007, 11:16 am
Hmmm...Slytherin, eh? What do we think of the way he looks? Personally, I thought he would look totally different :)

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 11:42 am
Hmmm...Slytherin, eh? What do we think of the way he looks? Personally, I thought he would look totally different :)

Personally I think he fits the description:

Then, as he drew level with the last pair of pillars, a statue high as the Chamber itself loomed into vie, standing against the back wall.
Harry had to crane his neck to look up into the giant face above: it was ancient and monkey-like, with a long thin beard that fell almost to the bottom of the wizards sweeping stone robes, where two enormous feet stood on the smooth chamber floor.

bolding by me.

HGHPRW
June 1st, 2007, 11:44 am
Hmmm...Slytherin, eh? What do we think of the way he looks? Personally, I thought he would look totally different
Me too. I didn't think he would be bald, or look that way. I think it's an error with the locket, but I could be mistaken.
Edit: Reading your post, Annett, his beard should fall to the floor, I think.

IMissPadfoot
June 1st, 2007, 11:46 am
Hmmm...Slytherin, eh? What do we think of the way he looks? Personally, I thought he would look totally different :)
To me, he looks exactly how I imagined him. :lol: and it fits with the description Annett provided - I like it. :D

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 11:49 am
Me too. I didn't think he would be bald, or look that way. I think it's an error with the locket, but I could be mistaken.
Edit: Reading your post, Annett, his beard should fall to the floor, I think.

:rolleyes: Yes, the beard could be longer, but apart from that he fits perfectly: the look and the thin beard.

guad
June 1st, 2007, 12:03 pm
About the colour, I always thought that the locket should be silver, given that the traditional Slytherin colours are silver and green. So for me the pic matches much better than the description in HBP and the adult cover. But well, I doubt very much that the gold vs silver will be crucial in DH :lol:

Tonks
June 1st, 2007, 12:37 pm
I think he looks great too! I thought the locket was funny myself. It is gold in the book yet silver in the picture. Probably a small oversight and won't lead to any large plot points, but it is interesting that they did that.

Schlubalybub
June 1st, 2007, 12:41 pm
I think it was a shock to see him bald...I always imagined him with more hair

guad
June 1st, 2007, 12:53 pm
I think he looks great too! I thought the locket was funny myself. It is gold in the book yet silver in the picture. Probably a small oversight and won't lead to any large plot points, but it is interesting that they did that.
Does anyone know who does the artwork/designing for the JKR webpage? I guess she gives the ideas and indications, but hardly does the manual work by herself.

SageThyme
June 1st, 2007, 12:55 pm
My 'inner eye' is telling me that since we're seeing a Founder, that the months of June and July we'll be seeing Salazar Slytherin with his Locket and Godric Gryffindor with his Sword. I'm betting that she'll save Rowena Ravenclaw for August's WotM, since showing her before DH is released would give up a BIG hint for the "unknown Horcrux".

Or we could see Ravenclaw as the final reward for the 3rd Wombat - whenever that may come (*sigh*).
YEAH! I finally got one right! I found my post on the first page of this thread (after my opening post that started this thread :p)

I wonder what else I'm right about. :scared: *shudder*

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 1:11 pm
Does anyone know who does the artwork/designing for the JKR webpage? I guess she gives the ideas and indications, but hardly does the manual work by herself.

I think nobody of us knows who does the drawing for the WotM, but I would like to know it.

olive632
June 1st, 2007, 2:30 pm
I think nobody of us knows who does the drawing for the WotM, but I would like to know it.

I would think JK does the drawings herself especially this one as she gave the description in chamber of secrets and so he had to be monkey like.

One word in Salazar's description to me is important a recorded parselmouth. This must mean like animagus the Minstry of Magic may make lists of anyone who can speak parseltongue.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 2:49 pm
I would think JK does the drawings herself especially this one as she gave the description in chamber of secrets and so he had to be monkey like.

One word in Salazar's description to me is important a recorded parselmouth. This must mean like animagus the Minstry of Magic may make lists of anyone who can speak parseltongue.

I don`t think that Jo does the drawing herself. I like her own pictures, but the style of the WotMs is more expierenced than the one we saw on her site. but I could see her giving the illustrator a detailed discription so he could do it like she had imagined.

I agree with the possibility of a record about the ones that could speak Parsel. But like the one of the Animagi it doesn`t mean that any Parseltongue was registered. And we shouldn`t forget that Parsel is a very rare ability, so there aren`t many on the list, if it`s exists.

Freaky
June 1st, 2007, 3:09 pm
okay, help me and save me trawling through both the books and the pages on here...

In Order of the Phoenix the colour of the locket is not described...is it described in HBP when Merope is selling it - or anywhere else? I can't remember why we've (I've) always thought it to be gold?

I agree with the person who said that silver makes sense because it goes with the house colours, although I think that's just a kind of coincidence - a good one but a coincidence.

However, the locket in Order, 12 Grimmauld Place isn't described with the letter S - which I would have thought it would do if it's relevant. I've been thinking all along that it's the horcrux locket but now I'm not so sure.

BublGumPnkHar
June 1st, 2007, 3:17 pm
okay, help me and save me trawling through both the books and the pages on here...

In Order of the Phoenix the colour of the locket is not described...is it described in HBP when Merope is selling it - or anywhere else? I can't remember why we've (I've) always thought it to be gold?

I agree with the person who said that silver makes sense because it goes with the house colours, although I think that's just a kind of coincidence - a good one but a coincidence.

However, the locket in Order, 12 Grimmauld Place isn't described with the letter S - which I would have thought it would do if it's relevant. I've been thinking all along that it's the horcrux locket but now I'm not so sure.

I'm not good with links, but if you'll check meesha1971's #888 post on this thread, you'll find all book references to "the locket".

Freaky
June 1st, 2007, 3:21 pm
I'm not good with links, but if you'll check meesha1971's #888 post on this thread, you'll find all book references to "the locket".

Thanks, will go have a look

ETA: Yep, okay, I'm back to thinking that the colour silver might be a mistake on the WotM and that the horcrux locket should be gold. We still seem to be missing the letter S from the locket found in Grimmauld Place though.

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 3:25 pm
well...i guess i shouldnt have slept last night, since I missed a lot of the descussion....

i have to say after thinking of it, and actually dreaming about it, i still find it interesting that the locket is silver in the picture and gold in the book...but I cant see how that can turn into an important plot point. The only thing I can think of is that the locket merope had was a fake one and not slytherins, and that slytherins real locket was silver.

Schlubalybub
June 1st, 2007, 3:26 pm
At least we appear to have a link between the locket around Slytherin's neck and the one on the front of the adult UK edition.

At least that is my opinion...

RiverIsis
June 1st, 2007, 4:08 pm
No one says the locket is gold - Harry sees it for himself in "House of Gaunt."



With a howl of rage, Gaunt ran towards his daughter. For a split second Harry thought he was going to throttle her as his hand flew to her throat; next moment, he was dragging her toward Ogden by a gold chain around her neck.

"See this?" he bellowed at Ogden, shaking a heavy gold locket at him, while Merope sputtered and gasped for breath.

. . . "Slytherin's!" yelled Gaunt. "Salazar Slytherin's! We're his last living descendents . . . "



And then later Harry is told in "The Secret Riddle" that Merope sold Slytherin's locket to Caractacus Burke for ten galleons.

Then the locket in the cave, which looks different, is also gold.



(Harry) . . . leapt to his feet and seized the goblet he had dropped in the basin; he barely registered the golden locket lying curled beneath it.



The locket they had managed to steal so many hours before had fallen out of Dumbledore's pocket. . . .
He turned the locket over in his hands. This was neither as large as the locket he remembered seeing in the Pensieve, nor were there any markings upon it, no sign of the ornate "S" that was supposed to be Slytherin's mark.


So here's what all that means:

We have two gold lockets in HBP.

The one that belonged to Merope was gold with an ornate "S" on it.
The one from the Cave did not have an S, but was still golden.

There hasn't been another locket anywhere except possibly at Grimmauld Place, and we don't know what metal it was. It's just described in Chapter 6 as a heavy locket that none of them could open. So that might be important too. We know also that Mundungus stole alot of items from Grimmauld Place and had them in a suitcase in HBP.

So that's possibly three lockets - 2 gold, 1 unknown.

Then we have Salazar with a silver locket. So either that is a clue, or it is a mistake.

Thank you - because I requested it.

HBP, House of Gaunt quote - don't we also know that the cottage is very dark, and it takes a few moments for Harry to actually see Merope there - so an unpolished chain in dark circumstances could appear "gold". And it is just a reference to the chain not the locket itself.

HBP, The Cave & Flight of the Prince quotes - the "fake Horcrux" locket is gold but that doesn't categorically mean that it replaced another gold locket. (however, I could see it argued both ways)

Then the Grimmauld Place locket - unknown.

I might go with there being a third unknown locket. As the locket at Grimmauld is described as heavy and gold is heavy but silver is light.

Well pewter is heavy and silver, though I would think that a locket of the era in which this was made would be more likely to be nearly pure silver/gold. Sorry if I am being thick here, but the locket at Grimmauld Place wasn't opened to my memory so is it possible that its contents are heavy and not the locket itself?

About the colour, I always thought that the locket should be silver, given that the traditional Slytherin colours are silver and green. So for me the pic matches much better than the description in HBP and the adult cover. But well, I doubt very much that the gold vs silver will be crucial in DH :lol:

I agree - it has never sat well with me that Slytherin's locket would be gold. That is Gryffindor's colour. Silver is a precious metal. I think it may only be a point in that Harry may at some point wonder why he ever thought something that was gold could have belonged to Slytherin. - maybe the fake being gold will lead him to know who RAB was.

I think Gryffindor will be the next WotM, because we already know his relics, or at least we think we do :lol:

silver ink pot
June 1st, 2007, 4:10 pm
I think that Slytherin's locket was originally silver..But after a thousand years it is likely to get worn out and tarnished...I believe that the reason why on the adult cover it seems like its gold because it is really really old...LOL
Silver tarnish does not look golden. :) If you don't polish silver it turns blackish-green.

Gold on the other hand never tarnishes, and always stays bright.

CelestLBeing
June 1st, 2007, 4:13 pm
Is the first founder they have shown on the WotM? If not who else has been shown?

RiverIsis
June 1st, 2007, 4:16 pm
Helga Hufflepuff was May's WotM

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 4:17 pm
they have shown helga too!!

edit: uups, riverisis beat me to it!!

CelestLBeing
June 1st, 2007, 4:40 pm
Thanks RiverIsis and PadfootBlack16. And no dates of death for either one of them. Very interesting. I am wondering if Nicholas Flammel was not the only one with a sorcerers stone.

Schlubalybub
June 1st, 2007, 4:43 pm
I don't think that any of the founders had a Stone- If Slytherin had one, I think that Voldemort would have found out my now, and I don't think any of the others would have one either

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 4:58 pm
yea i agree with schlubalybub there.

Freaky
June 1st, 2007, 5:16 pm
Are there any relevant threads about the discrepancy we now have between the gold locket Merope sold and the one in the cave, and this silver one now?

I know JK "mis"leads us down the garden path sometimes but I can't think of any occasions when she has actually said one thing...like used the word "gold" when in fact it only appeared that way.

I doubt RAB would have substituted a silver locket for a gold one - that would have been obvious to Voldemort even before he reached it, therefore I think the horcrux container must still be gold.

However, if anyone knows of a thread perhaps I should go there and see, sure it doesn't belong in the official website thread!

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 5:27 pm
Thanks RiverIsis and PadfootBlack16. And no dates of death for either one of them. Very interesting. I am wondering if Nicholas Flammel was not the only one with a sorcerers stone.

We also don`t have a birthday, which means their living dates are unknown,not that they`re living until now. It isn`t unusual for people that lived at that time that their dates are unknown or only nearly known.

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 5:31 pm
i wonder if its important that we dont know their birth adn death dates...probably not but still...

Schlubalybub
June 1st, 2007, 5:36 pm
I don't think it is- I agree with Annett, and have to say that there are real historical people that we don't know the exact dates of, so they are never really mentioned, except a century, and we all know what century they lived in

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 5:45 pm
true...but still, do you really think that jo would leave something like that open??? we all know the type of details she has...though, then again, cant think of a way for a date to be important.

Nekoka
June 1st, 2007, 5:45 pm
I wonder, will the next WOTM will be Godric Gryffindor? Has Rowena Ravenclaw ever been a WOTM?

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 5:52 pm
no, the only founders we have ever had are helga and slytherin.

Schlubalybub
June 1st, 2007, 6:00 pm
And I think the general consensus is that Rowena will be August's, after DH comes out

olive632
June 1st, 2007, 6:11 pm
I think that JK is giving us a clue here. She may be saying that all 3 of the examples in the HBP are a red herring and the actual locket of slytherin's is actually silver according to the house colours. Look at the examples in Helga Hufflepuff's drawing. We were aware of all 4 of the founders colours in her drawing.

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 6:13 pm
yea, i think that is the general belife...and it probably will happen like that.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 6:33 pm
I think that JK is giving us a clue here. She may be saying that all 3 of the examples in the HBP are a red herring and the actual locket of slytherin's is actually silver according to the house colours. Look at the examples in Helga Hufflepuff's drawing. We were aware of all 4 of the founders colours in her drawing.

I think we should take the drawings of the WotMs for artistically liberty. There isn`t anything about gems on the cup but we could see some at the picture of it.

DCON79
June 1st, 2007, 6:44 pm
Is there a way to access old WoTM on JKR's site? Thanks

PadfootBlack16
June 1st, 2007, 6:47 pm
no but you can here on the forums....cant remember the link but im sure anabel or nicole or any one else will be happy to give it to you.

TravDogg
June 1st, 2007, 6:54 pm
http://potterkeys.com/ is all about Jo's site. You can find the past Wizards of the Month there. You might also be able to find them on mugglenet or in the Harry Potter Lexicon, but they don't have all the pictures like potterkeys does.

Edit: Apparently HPL does have the pictures. See Annett's link below.

DCON79
June 1st, 2007, 6:58 pm
Thanks. I don't think I ever looked at her picture when she was the wizard of the month.

owlpostgirl
June 1st, 2007, 6:59 pm
Hmmm, Salazar, cool.

Didn't know he was a good legilimens. Is that new?

RavenEye
June 1st, 2007, 7:19 pm
Hmmm, Salazar, cool.

Didn't know he was a good legilimens. Is that new?
I think it is, although it's perfectly logical given that his n-times great grandson is also an accomplished Legilimens.

mugglesrock
June 1st, 2007, 7:20 pm
Hmmm, Salazar, cool.

Didn't know he was a good legilimens. Is that new?

I certainly don't recall reading about Salazar being a legilimens before this. :shrug:

Does anyone else think he looks Japanese? :huh: [No offense to any Japanese people, not meant in a bad way.]

RiverIsis
June 1st, 2007, 7:26 pm
I certainly don't recall reading about Salazar being a legilimens before this. :shrug:

Does anyone else think he looks Japanese? :huh: [No offense to any Japanese people, not meant in a bad way.]

I think I know what you are saying he reminds me of images I have seen of Confucious (but he was Chinese) - but there is that "quality" about the picture. :shrug:

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 7:26 pm
Is there a way to access old WoTM on JKR's site? Thanks

Here (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com-wotm-pics.html) you could find an archive of all the WotM.

Tenshi
June 1st, 2007, 7:28 pm
Does anyone else think he looks Japanese? [No offense to any Japanese people, not meant in a bad way.]
I recognized it as well, that he has an Asiatic touch. :shrug:

RiverIsis
June 1st, 2007, 7:29 pm
Not WOMBAT, WotM! :rotfl:

:rotfl: *hoping I don't get banned for this! :whistle:

mugglesrock
June 1st, 2007, 7:33 pm
I think I know what you are saying he reminds me of images I have seen of Confucious (but he was Chinese) - but there is that "quality" about the picture. :shrug:

Yep, that's what I was thinking of. I would be surprised if Salazar has Asian origins although his name certainly does not suggest so. :scared:

I recognized it as well, that he has an Asiatic touch. :shrug:

I am glad I am not the only one. I wonder if the illustrator was simply having fun.. First resemblance to a monkey and now a Japanese man.. :shrug:

Mgan
June 1st, 2007, 7:35 pm
You people drive me nuts!! JK!! I hadn't checked this since the 30th, we were still at page 36, I come today and it's at page 48, I was sure there had been a release of the 3rd WOMBAT! *sigh* Guess we have to keep waiting. Interesting that the WotM is Slytherin though...

Glidden
June 1st, 2007, 7:35 pm
I recognized it as well, that he has an Asiatic touch. :shrug:

he looks kinda scary too--- and like he's conjuring some evil plan :no:

Mgan
June 1st, 2007, 7:41 pm
Originally posted by Glidden
he looks kinda scary too--- and like he's conjuring some evil plan

That's probably because he is/was.

Alastor
June 1st, 2007, 7:59 pm
You people drive me nuts!! JK!! I hadn't checked this since the 30th, we were still at page 36, I come today and it's at page 48, I was sure there had been a release of the 3rd WOMBAT! *sigh* Guess we have to keep waiting. Interesting that the WotM is Slytherin though...That's why we created this thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=104716) where you can see what it is all about without browsing twelve pages.:)

Freaky
June 1st, 2007, 8:12 pm
You people drive me nuts!! JK!! I hadn't checked this since the 30th, we were still at page 36, I come today and it's at page 48, I was sure there had been a release of the 3rd WOMBAT! *sigh* Guess we have to keep waiting. Interesting that the WotM is Slytherin though...

Personally I think these Witches/wizards are far more exciting than WOMBATS!!!

HGHPRW
June 1st, 2007, 8:17 pm
That's why we created this thread where you can see what it is all about without browsing twelve pages.
I personnally don't check that thread. I prefer this one, with all the whining and complaining and off-topic talking that we do. Isn't that odd?
Okay, topic. Yes, I do think Salazar looks monkeyish, which makes me wonder if he was a pure-blood human, or if he had animal blood. Or, if he was a pure-blood wizard. Not kidding, but I accidentally typed 'she' instead of 'he.' ;)
Edit: Wow, this thread has gained atleast 200 posts in a few days, and there are still 4 people on here.

olive632
June 1st, 2007, 8:18 pm
oh yes. It is lovely spectulating about the founders and there artifacts. I think we should thank JK for these lovley updates at the moment. She hasn't forgotten us at least.

Mgan
June 1st, 2007, 8:23 pm
I didn't know about that other thread...good to know. He does certainly look odd.

Freaky
June 1st, 2007, 8:27 pm
I agree, although I look at the thread list to see if there has been a post update to Alastor D's site, I only look in here to see what it was...and I had to trawl through about 4 pages of "nearly midnight" before I actually found my confirmation.

Far more fun!!! Still glad the other thread exists though.

alyssareiner
June 1st, 2007, 8:54 pm
he does look odd...so now what does this mean for the next few months? who will be the next WotM?

Alastor
June 1st, 2007, 8:58 pm
Not WOMBAT, WotM! :rotfl:You wait.:evil:

I swept the tracks. :D

mugglesrock
June 1st, 2007, 9:05 pm
he does look odd...so now what does this mean for the next few months? who will be the next WotM?

Probably Gryffindor because we know what his "relic" is. I am hoping for Ravenclaw though - even if it spoils us!

YellowPoofBall
June 1st, 2007, 9:05 pm
I posted this earlier before the big post-explosion, but I've been comparing the drawings of WotMs with the Ancient Drawings (except I haven't been able to get Ancient Drawings 1 yet) and they mostly look drawn in the same style. So I think JKR may really have drawn the WotMs, or at least templated them. Most of the drawings use the same method to draw cheek bone structure, knuckles, and facial crease placement. Maybe it's just me, but I could totally see the Ancient Drawings of Nick or Peeves being colored and then WotM'ed.

TravDogg
June 1st, 2007, 9:44 pm
I could see her sketching the wizards of the month for other people to animate (templating them as you said), but I don't see her taking the time to animate them herself. If you look at the really old WotM's they seem to be at least colored differently, though I guess she still could have templated them.

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 9:47 pm
cant think of a way for a date to be important.

As for the lack of birth and death dates, how about this?

Maybe the founders are not truly dead, but are enshrined somewhere, just waiting to be woken up. Where would they be enshrined, you ask? Why, maybe, just maybe, within "Deathly Hallows". Maybe Harry's powers will not be the only ones used to defeat Voldemort. The relics are all described as "powerful, magic objects", right? This leads to a new (to me, anyway) theory...

wait for it...

Maybe Harry can find a way to remove the "fragment of soul" from the horcruxes in such a way as to unleash the powers of the founders (or at least Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Gryffindor, as Slytherin will probably side with Voldemort). Maybe this "unleashing of power" is the true meaning of "Deathly Hallows". So the final battle could be the powers of Harry Potter, Rowena Ravenclaw, Helga Hufflepuff, and Godric Gryffindor -versus- the powers of Lord Voldemort and Salyzar Slytherin, which constitutes the ultimate showdown of good and evil.

:D

alyssareiner
June 1st, 2007, 9:49 pm
she seems like a fairly good artist from those 'ancient drawings'. it is possible that she did them. she is the only one that really knows what the people should look like.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 9:49 pm
You wait.:evil: For what, the next WOMBAT? :rotfl:

I swept the tracks. :D

Not fully, here is the proof:


Not WOMBAT, WotM! :rotfl:
:rotfl: *hoping I don't get banned for this! :whistle:

alyssareiner
June 1st, 2007, 9:53 pm
As for the lack of birth and death dates, how about this?

Maybe the founders are not truly dead, but are enshrined somewhere, just waiting to be woken up. Where would they be enshrined, you ask? Why, maybe, just maybe, within "Deathly Hallows". Maybe Harry's powers will not be the only ones used to defeat Voldemort. The relics are all described as "powerful, magic objects", right? This leads to a new (to me, anyway) theory...

wait for it...

Maybe Harry can find a way to remove the "fragment of soul" from the horcruxes in such a way as to unleash the powers of the founders (or at least Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Gryffindor, as Slytherin will probably side with Voldemort). Maybe this "unleashing of power" is the true meaning of "Deathly Hallows". So the final battle could be the powers of Harry Potter, Rowena Ravenclaw, Helga Hufflepuff, and Godric Gryffindor -versus- the powers of Lord Voldemort and Salyzar Slytherin, which constitutes the ultimate showdown of good and evil.

:D

interesting theory...i was thinking more along the lines of deathly hallows may be where the founders are buried...

YellowPoofBall
June 1st, 2007, 9:53 pm
I could see her sketching the wizards of the month for other people to animate (templating them as you said), but I don't see her taking the time to animate them herself. If you look at the really old WotM's they seem to be at least colored differently, though I guess she still could have templated them.

:lol: you're definitely right about the animation, I sure don't see JKR as much of a Flash whiz.

As for the lack of birth and death dates, how about this?

Maybe the founders are not truly dead, but are enshrined somewhere, just waiting to be woken up. Where would they be enshrined, you ask? Why, maybe, just maybe, within "Deathly Hallows". Maybe Harry's powers will not be the only ones used to defeat Voldemort. The relics are all described as "powerful, magic objects", right? This leads to a new (to me, anyway) theory...

wait for it...

Maybe Harry can find a way to remove the "fragment of soul" from the horcruxes in such a way as to unleash the powers of the founders (or at least Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Gryffindor, as Slytherin will probably side with Voldemort). Maybe this "unleashing of power" is the true meaning of "Deathly Hallows". So the final battle could be the powers of Harry Potter, Rowena Ravenclaw, Helga Hufflepuff, and Godric Gryffindor -versus- the powers of Lord Voldemort and Salyzar Slytherin, which constitutes the ultimate showdown of good and evil.

:D

I'm sorry, I don't know what to think about this. Reminds me a lot of some Chinese fairy tales :lol:

Freaky
June 1st, 2007, 9:55 pm
so now what does this mean for the next few months? who will be the next WotM?

We think Gryffindor

TonytheTerrible
June 1st, 2007, 9:58 pm
As for the differences between a golden locket and a silver locket, it probably is a mistake and may not bear any significance in DH. But remember, a golden bullet would not harm a werewolf, but a silver bullet would kill it. :)

olive632
June 1st, 2007, 10:28 pm
I just found a quote from JK's interview with Emerson and Melissa after HBP was released and it is entirely relevant now here. Here is the quote "MA: How much of a role are the founders going to play in book seven?

JKR: Some, as you probably have guessed from the end of six. There's so much that I want to ask you, but you're supposed to interview me, so come on. [Laughter.]"

Thoughts please.

Freaky
June 1st, 2007, 10:34 pm
I just found a quote from JK's interview with Emerson and Melissa after HBP was released and it is entirely relevant now here. Here is the quote "MA: How much of a role are the founders going to play in book seven?

JKR: Some, as you probably have guessed from the end of six. There's so much that I want to ask you, but you're supposed to interview me, so come on. [Laughter.]"

Thoughts please.

Well, my opinion is that it's all to do with the Horcruxes. We already know how important the Founders were to Voldemort.

Annett
June 1st, 2007, 10:36 pm
I think we will hear more about their departing. Naturally we will hear more about them because of the Horcrux hunt too.

RiverIsis
June 1st, 2007, 11:39 pm
As for the lack of birth and death dates, how about this?

Maybe the founders are not truly dead, but are enshrined somewhere, just waiting to be woken up. Where would they be enshrined, you ask? Why, maybe, just maybe, within "Deathly Hallows". Maybe Harry's powers will not be the only ones used to defeat Voldemort. The relics are all described as "powerful, magic objects", right? This leads to a new (to me, anyway) theory...

wait for it...

Maybe Harry can find a way to remove the "fragment of soul" from the horcruxes in such a way as to unleash the powers of the founders (or at least Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Gryffindor, as Slytherin will probably side with Voldemort). Maybe this "unleashing of power" is the true meaning of "Deathly Hallows". So the final battle could be the powers of Harry Potter, Rowena Ravenclaw, Helga Hufflepuff, and Godric Gryffindor -versus- the powers of Lord Voldemort and Salyzar Slytherin, which constitutes the ultimate showdown of good and evil.

:D

:err: *thud

For what, the next WOMBAT? :rotfl:


Not fully, here is the proof:

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh I may get away with it! :rotfl:

:whistle:

ETA - ok am I the only one that has just shocked myself by saying when the movie and book are out next month! :wow:

Alastor
June 2nd, 2007, 4:37 am
Kindly remember to keep all speculation whatsoever about DH in Divination Studies.

This thread was supposed to be about the website, not the books, wasn't it?

Annett
June 2nd, 2007, 9:42 am
Another Friday is gone without a door opening. Now there are only 7 left until the release. I hope she isn`t saving the WOMBAT exact before the release because I won`t be online like many others that are scared of spoilers.

AthenaMcGonagal
June 2nd, 2007, 9:44 am
I had hoped we might get a Wombat yesterday since we were at the "7 weeks" mark, but between Slytherin as WoM and the little news updates here and there and the movie being moved up a couple of days, I can't complain too much. I'm starting to wonder if we'll get the Wombat before the book comes out, or if it will be afterwards. I think if it's before, it might be right before - within a week or two. Although with the movie, that might be too much all at once.

Was anyone else reminded of Pai Mei when they saw Slytherin? The beard, the eyebrows (not long enough, but pretty bushy), the high cheekbones? Interesting, but not really surprising (since Voldemort is similarly gifted), that he was a great legilimens. I wonder what previously unknown facts we'll learn about Gryffindor and Ravenclaw when their cards are revealed. According to her Famous Wizard card, Ravenclaw was thought to have been the one to come up with Hogwarts constantly changing floor plan - did she have any other design / architecture ideas (maybe for the Department of Mysteries?) Was the room of requirement her idea? Does she have her own chamber within Hogwarts, not containing a monster, but containing some of her own secrets? I'm sorry if this actually belongs in the DH spec thread, Alastor D, but since it's regarding our (presumably) next two WoM's, maybe it's ok here. As far as Gryffindor - we know he was brave, had an inclusive mentality that felt all with magical ability should be educated, and that he was from wild moor, and that he provided the sorting hat and had a sword (gifted as a warrior? Maybe a parallel to Mars / Ares - gifted in battle and strategy?)

Again - my apologies if that would have been better placed in the spec thread. Less than 7 weeks to go until Deathly Hallows!

mysterious
June 2nd, 2007, 11:04 am
I hope she isn`t saving the WOMBAT exact before the release because I won`t be online like many others that are scared of spoilers.

I think she is aware of that and therefore is most likely to give us one well away from the release.

BTW- Did you say 7? :eyebrows:

Annett
June 2nd, 2007, 11:33 am
I think she is aware of that and therefore is most likely to give us one well away from the release.

BTW- Did you say 7? :eyebrows:

I`m glad someone found that interesting too! :D
I think it isn`t hopeless to lurk on Jo`s site next Friday.

mysterious
June 2nd, 2007, 11:42 am
I think it isn`t hopeless to lurk on Jo`s site next Friday.


It never is. :p

unconvinced
June 2nd, 2007, 11:45 am
ETA - ok am I the only one that has just shocked myself by saying when the movie and book are out next month!

I want to try and get all my theories in writing before the book comes out

AthenaMcGonagal
June 2nd, 2007, 2:03 pm
Midnight last night was 7 weeks exactly left to go. And a full moon. Felt magical to me.
I marked a weekly countdown on my calendar as soon as we had a release date. Yeah. No - I'm not addicted to Potterdom or anything. Really. I'm not. Stop looking at me that way...

HGHPRW
June 2nd, 2007, 2:41 pm
Midnight last night was 7 weeks exactly left to go. And a full moon. Felt magical to me.
I marked a weekly countdown on my calendar as soon as we had a release date. Yeah. No - I'm not addicted to Potterdom or anything. Really. I'm not. Stop looking at me that way...
*starts staring* I think most of us are counting down, 48 days left!

fabulouskirsten
June 2nd, 2007, 2:46 pm
I've started sort of feverishly checking the door to see if the do not disturb sign is removed, I hope we get a wee snippet of info about the book soon. Last time we got the Scrimgeour description and some chapter titles and all that stuff, I was hoping for some of the same before this one. However, maybe she's not going to give us anything so that we really will know nothing about the book before it comes out.

olive632
June 2nd, 2007, 3:14 pm
Yes I think so too. She is keeping everything secret as probably lots of things are a spoiler so the only thing that may be coming is the WOMBAT before the book.

Annett
June 2nd, 2007, 3:17 pm
I also don`t think we get an excerpt from the book or chapter titles like we did for HBP, but I hope we would get the last WOMBAT before the release. At least we will get another interesting WotM.

anabel
June 2nd, 2007, 5:03 pm
Another Friday is gone without a door opening. Now there are only 7 left until the release.
Maybe she's lost the key?I hope she isn`t saving the WOMBAT exact before the release because I won`t be online like many others that are scared of spoilers.Me too. :sad:

MHPFAN
June 2nd, 2007, 5:11 pm
Another Friday is gone without a door opening. Now there are only 7 left until the release. I hope she isn`t saving the WOMBAT exact before the release because I won`t be online like many others that are scared of spoilers.

Same here. :agree: I'm barely keeping up with updates as it is now, I doubt I'll even open anything that has to do with HP two weeks before the release of the book. I'm more than likely going to give up on the 'net altogether about a month before so...:shrug:


BTW- Did you say 7? :eyebrows:

7?? :huh:

Yes I think so too. She is keeping everything secret as probably lots of things are a spoiler so the only thing that may be coming is the WOMBAT before the book.

I agree. I don't see anything else coming out besides the WOMBAT because real (and fake) spoilers can so easily be leaked that way.

Annett
June 2nd, 2007, 5:37 pm
Maybe she's lost the key?

That was good. :rotfl:
She could ask Mundungus. I`m sure he could open any door he wants.

TravDogg
June 2nd, 2007, 6:09 pm
That was good. :rotfl:
She could ask Mundungus. I`m sure he could open any door he wants.

If only we couuld get Sirius' knife...

Annett
June 2nd, 2007, 6:23 pm
If only we couuld get Sirius' knife...

Sirius knife wouldn`t work anymore, the blade was molted in the unlocked door of the Department of Mysteries. That means we have to wait. :grumble:

meesha1971
June 2nd, 2007, 6:28 pm
Sirius knife wouldn`t work anymore, the blade was molted in the unlocked door of the Department of Mysteries. That means we have to wait. :grumble:

The knife had all sorts of attachments for undoing knots and unlocking locks though. I wouldn't rule it out completely. :evil:

Course, we'd actually have to be able to use it. :sigh:

Freaky
June 2nd, 2007, 8:31 pm
The knife had all sorts of attachments for undoing knots and unlocking locks though. I wouldn't rule it out completely.

Course, we'd actually have to be able to use it.

Pick the lock!!!!

Did someone say the movie had been moved forward...off to muggle studies to check (I don't watch much TV so wouldn't have noticed anything about this!)