Myths and creature origins in Harry Potter

hedwig_3180
May 20th, 2007, 2:04 am
This is my first ever thread in The Penseive!!

I found this in the Mythology section at the Bloomsbury website. Most of it I already knew, but found it quite interesting all the same, esp. the part about Nagini...mods, delete this if it's already been discussed or merge it yaddah yaddah yah...

Phoenix
The Benu Bird
Egyptian myth

The Benu Bird (benu means ‘shiner’ or ‘self creator’) in some Egyptian accounts of the creation of the world was the first ever living being. It flew out of light and and landed in darkness; its flight brought warmth and creative energy and its cry was the first sound ever heard.

The Benu bird was worshipped particularly in Heliopolis where it was regarded as one facet of the sun-god Ra. In native Egyptian art it was shown as a yellow wagtail or a Nile heron (with two feathers rising from its head like spears); the Greek writer Herodotus, however, following information given to him by Egyptian Greeks identified it as the phoenix and reworked the myth to say that when the first cycle of the universe ended in fire and destruction, the Benu Bird flew out of the fire, the only being to survive, and settled on the Earth-mound to restart Creation.

Benu were often carved on gemstones and buried with bodies to help grant the bodies a second life.
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Professor Remus Lupin
Romulus and Remus
Roman Myth

Two brothers in Roman myth, Numitor and Amulius ruled the town of Alba Longa. Numitor was the law-maker, Amulius the warlord. After several years of joint rule the brothers quarrelled and Amulius overthrew Numitor and took complete control. To prevent the rise of a rival royal dynasty, he imprisoned Numitor and decreed that Numitor’s daughter Rhea Silva would never have children.

The gods however had other plans for the town of Alba Longa. Rhea Silva gave birth to twins Romulus and Remus and Amulius, furious at the fact they threatened his power, ordered that Romulus and Remus be drowned in the River Tiber. But the River-God floated the babies to safety in the basket, washing it up on shore under a fig-tree beside a grotto (later called Lupercal). A she-wolf found and suckled the twins until they were rescued and brought up by the royal shepherd and his wife.

In the next few years overcrowding in Alba Longa led Romulus and Remus to set up a new town, on the shores of the Tiber where they had once been left to die. While Romulus marked out boundaries, ploughing earth to mark the line of new fields and walls, Remus and his men went out hunting. On Remus’ return the brothers quarrelled. Remus mocked the new ‘walls’ jumping scornfully over them. Romulus and Remus quarelled and Romulus killed Remus. The new settlement was named Rome after Romulus its king.

The she-wolf suckling human babies became a main symbol of the city of Rome and a statue of the scene (not all of which is authentic) survives to this day in the Capitoline Museum.
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Centaurs
Greek Myth

Centaurs were creatures human from the waist up, horse from the waist down. At certain times, for no reason, they fell into wild fits and galloped crazily across the countryside; at other times they were placid and peaceful, fond of music and skilled at prophecy and healing. The gods admired them and sent such favoured mortal heroes as Theseus and Jason to learn with them to acquire a kind of supernatural higher education.
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Professor Minerva McGonagall
Minerva
Greek or Roman Myth

Minerva (or Athene in Greek) in Greek and Roman myth was born from the forehead of her father Zeus (who had swallowed her mother Metis): she was a cross between her father’s power and her mother’s intelligence. She was the most honoured of Zeus’ children, ranked equal with Apollo, and was the only god Zeus trusted to wield his thunderbolts. She was a warrior, brandishing a spear and carrying a shield (the aegis) covered with skin from the goats which suckled the infant Zeus in Crete, fringed with snakes and decorated with the Gorgon’s head which turned all who saw it to stone. At her side or sometimes carried in her hand went the goddess Nike (meaning Victory). Minerva was the mistress of all arts and crafts, especially spinning and weaving, and she taught these arts to mortals.
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Fluffy
Cerberus
Greek and Roman myth

Cerberus (or Kerberos in Greek) was a huge three headed dog (some say fifty headed) with a hundred serpent tails who prowled the entrance to the Underworld on guard against intruders from the Upperworld. Dead souls were able to slip past him because they were only shadows and could not be seen. But the only way for living beings to escape him was to feed him drugged food (as Aeneas did), lull him to sleep (as Orpheus did) or terrify him (as Heracles did).
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Parvati Patil
Parvati
Hindu myth

Parvarti, in Hindu myth was Shiva’s beautiful wife. In some accounts she was the daughter of the goddess of the Himalayas, in others she was the reincarnation of Sati, created by Vishnu to stop Shiva’s destructive dance after Sati committed suicide.
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Professor Sybill Trelawney
Sibyls
Greek and Roman Myth

Sibyls, in Greek and Roman myth, were prophetesses. They were ordinary girls taken from their families and trained for their work from childhood. When worshippers asked questions of the gods, the Sibyls put themselves in trances — for example by chewing sacred plants or allowing sacred snakes to bite them — and uttered sounds supposed to be the gods’ words, which priests then wrote down and translated into prophecies.
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Narcissa Malfoy
Narcissus
Greek and Roman Myth

Narcissus (Narkissos, ‘bewitching’) was a beautiful boy, son of the river god Cephisus and the nymph Liriope. Everyone who met him fell in love with him, but he ignored them all. He loved no one but himself. One day he caught sight of his own reflection in a pool and fell in love with it. The image, however, refused to leave the pool and he pined away and died. When the nymphs, his mother’s companions, came to bury his body, they found that the gods had changed him into a beautiful flower; its descendants, his offspring, are still called Narcissus after him and still lean over as if to admire their own reflections.
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Werewolves
Myth

Werewolves (Vlkodlaks or Vookodlaks, ‘wolf-hairs’ the English name comes from the Saxon wer, ‘man’ and wulf, ‘wolf’) were widely feared throughout Northern and Eastern Europe. They were born to human mothers but out of human time and harked back to an age when shape-changing animals roamed the world.

Were-wolf children were particularly hairy at birth, or had extra layers of skin on their heads. They sometimes had wolf-claws and fangs, biting their mothers as they suckled. Often they were twins (see Romulus and Remus, twins brought up by wolves) and they grew up to be very attractive. Werewolfs were associated with the moon and changed into wolves each full Moon. In some versions of the myth werewolves could not be killed by mortal weapons, in other versions they could only be hurt by silver arrows (or silver bullets) and in other versions they could be wounded in the ordinary way but slunk to their human homes and resumed their human shapes to die — after which their immortal selves were reborn to another human mother.
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Hermes
Greek and Roman myth

Hermes (Latin Mercurius, Mercury) was the son of Zeus and of Maia. From the moment he was born he was always playing pranks. He was born at dawn: three hours later he was running about and by noon he had slipped away from his mother to explore the world. He was an easy-going, high-spirited god and he liked to make mischief with mortals.

When Hermes grew up he became the gods’ messenger running their errands and flying on winged sandals between Heaven, Earth and the Underworld. Because he was such a trickster himself, it was impossible to cheat him and win a second life so he was also given the job of escorting the souls of the dead on their last journey to the Underworld. According to the myth, Hermes invented many things including the lyre, a shepherd’s pipe cut from a hollow reed, astronomy, boxing, gymnastics and writing.
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Dragons
Myth/Folk tale

Dragons in myths and folk tales were generally friendly to human beings. They were water creatures, the descendants of giant snakes. Some dragons had snakes’ bodies with the heads of lions, lizards’ legs with eagles’ claws and the tails of crocodiles or scorpions.

In Eastern myth, dragons were benign and gentle, welcome at human celebrations and happy to perform dances of fertility and prosperity. In Western myth they were less friendly towards humans. Many still lived in pools and wells, but their watery ancestry also made them immune to fire which they swallowed with horrible effects on their stomachs! Grumpy and unpredictable, they hoarded treasure(the glint of the gold and jewels mirroring the fire in their own eyes) and they were merciless to any human, dwarf or god who disturbed them.
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Nagini
Hindu myth

In Hindu myth, Nagas and Naginis (‘powerful ones’; Nagas are male and Naginis are female) were snake-gods descended from Brahma’s grand daughter Kadru and her husband, the sage Kasya-pa, from whom they inherited supernatural wisdom. They were shape-changers able to appear as any kind of human or snake they chose. They sometimes took the form of warriors with snake-necks or sometimes beautiful women from the waist up, snakes from the waist down. Their ways mirrored those of human society and their rulers lived in fabulously jewelled palaces in the air, under ground or under the sea.

Like humans the Naga were neither entirely good nor entirely bad. They could behave wisely and thoughtfully or they could be cowardly and unjust. They generally oversaw the distribution of rain on earth but sometimes they withheld the rain and only released it when they were attacked by the eagle-god Garuda and his servants.

When Vishnu sleeps and the universe is at rest he lies on the body of the chief Naga, the world-Serpent Sesha whose seven heads fan their hoods above him to give him shade.

Source for Mytholgical References
© Myth by Kenneth McLeish



Once again, this is from Bloomsbury.com/HarryPotter

Discuss!! :D

randomperson
May 21st, 2007, 11:01 pm
this is all very intresting. my favorite was minevera. Although I had heard/saw that athena's sheild had an owl on it
spoiler

YellowPoofBall
May 24th, 2007, 11:26 pm
Athena, goddess of wisdom and war, had an owl for one of her symbols (of wisdom). In the Hercules cartoon series, Athena's got this cute, little owl that reminds me of Pigwidgeon.

randomperson
May 24th, 2007, 11:50 pm
I thought it was a great horned owl. I wasn't saying that because of what I saw in that movie though.

court77
July 25th, 2007, 1:51 am
I have always loved the way myth and legend have been incorporated into HP. I enjoyed the synopsis of mythological references.

brittanyks
August 10th, 2007, 5:05 am
Wow, I'd always wondered what inspired Nagini. That's awesome. But a shape-changing snake... :err:
And I love the Romulus / Remus legend!

randomperson
September 12th, 2007, 8:33 pm
I really like how a lot of the names come from mythology
I just relized this recently when I was reading some Greek mytholodgy, but the name Hermione comes from mytholodgy.

In the myth Hermione is the daughter of Helen of Troy. Hermione maried some greek hero whose name wasn't important enough to remember.

Klio
February 18th, 2008, 11:35 pm
Well, I think the ancient Greeks found those names worth remembering.... In fact, Hermione married two men, both pretty prominent:

1) Neoptolemos (Pyrrhos) son of Achilles

and

2) Orestes son of Agamemnon.

She was about the most desirable woman going (at least in terms of ancestry and inheritance, but probably also in terms of looks, with that mother) in the generation after the Trojan war.... :) ;)

There is also an ancient city Hermione in the Argolid (NE Peloponnese/Greece).

But of course, the name Hermione surely came to JKR via Shakespeare (Winter's Tale)?



And here, for everyone to admire.....

a coin from Classical Athens, with Athena and the 'original' Athenian owl on it :)

http://www.clusterflock.org/784634_cng.jpg

ChuckNorris
March 15th, 2008, 8:16 am
Athena, goddess of wisdom and war, had an owl for one of her symbols (of wisdom). In the Hercules cartoon series, Athena's got this cute, little owl that reminds me of Pigwidgeon.

I like the little robot one that Hephaestus makes for Perseus because she won't let him have her real one in Clash of the Titans better than the cartoon one. I think his name is Beebo. But he's a little more like Erroll - falling over, bumping into things.

Kimagine
April 11th, 2008, 3:23 am
Pomona Sprout has a name that harkens to myth -- Pomona was the goddess of fruit trees and protected them, as Professor Sprout is the herbology teacher and cares for the plants at Hogwarts.

I also love the mention of the chimaera in the Fantastic Beasts book -- a companion book I am sure most of you have in your HP collection. The chimaera is a creature that is part lion, goat and serpent/dragon. I always liked the symbology of this creature and somehow expected it to make an appearance in the series. Alas... :lol:

wickedwickedboy
June 16th, 2008, 5:53 am
Lots more with Lupin/werewolves actually. Lupin in France is like our Lupus and she also brought in Remus and Romulus the twins raised by a wolf initially. She used Wolfsbane, but gave it slightly different properties than in lore. She also did some strange things with the light of the moon - having Remus transform when it hit him in POA, and at other times he transformed without it (in his office by the fire) which is a twist on the lore which is transformation when the moon is full - period (generally). Then she made his father John which gives a nod to the original werewolf movie (don't know if she meant to do that) and also allowed for the 'raw meat' desire in Bill at least which goes back to the story of Lycaeus who was a king that fed human meat to Zeus in anger and was turned into a wolf and later spawned the very first werewolf (according to lore). I've read zillions of werewolf tales and in some baby 'cubs' are had at birth and some allow for human birth as JKR did. She didn't really get into the "silver" aspect of werewolves which was HUGE in the lore, which is also kind of unique.

Mundungus Fletc
June 16th, 2008, 6:12 am
Krum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krum) was the leader of Bulgaria around 800.

Klio wrote
But of course, the name Hermione surely came to JKR via Shakespeare (Winter's Tale)?
You're probably right but there was also a famous ship HMS Hermione (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hermione_%281782%29)

AliceLongbottom
June 18th, 2008, 9:41 pm
I already knew the Romulus and Remus tale, and about some of the Greek/Roman gods, but I think the one about Sibyls and the one about Cerberus were very interesting. Also, the ones about the phoenix, and Nagini were really intriguing.

RemusLupinFan
June 26th, 2008, 4:14 am
Fluffy
Cerberus
Greek and Roman myth

Cerberus (or Kerberos in Greek) was a huge three headed dog (some say fifty headed) with a hundred serpent tails who prowled the entrance to the Underworld on guard against intruders from the Upperworld. Dead souls were able to slip past him because they were only shadows and could not be seen. But the only way for living beings to escape him was to feed him drugged food (as Aeneas did), lull him to sleep (as Orpheus did) or terrify him (as Heracles did). I remember thinking of this when I read Sorcerer's Stone (though I couldn't remember the dog's name). Fluffy was the first defense for the Stone where intruders would have to descend into the "underworld" of Hogwarts.

Also, there are a fair share of astronomical references made through the character names, which may be significant in terms of those characters. For instance, Sirius comes to mind as Orion's hunting dog. In a manner of speaking, Sirius was a hunter when he was trying to track down Peter in PoA, and he is a dog animagus.

WitchHunter
June 28th, 2008, 6:50 am
All I can think of at the moment is the werewolf Fenrir Greyback. According to Norse mythology, Fenrir is a wolf that will fight against the gods during Ragnarök, a battle that will be fought prior to the end of the world. Greyback's role in joining Voldemort and fighting the "good guys" seems to reflect this.

Wab
June 28th, 2008, 9:06 am
As does the role of Bellatrix which is Latin for "female warrior".

lily_potter73
August 15th, 2008, 8:31 am
the Remus/Romulus legend is nice and well connected to Harry Potter. Wasnt Romulus one of the nick names they chose is Potterwatch I dont remember exactly who chose it .

vampiricduck
September 11th, 2008, 2:31 am
This is a really great thread. For me, anyway! This is the kind of thing I love to think about! :tu:

I don't know if anybody here knew this one, but Hedwig was a saint in Germany in the 12th century.She set up an order of nuns that taught orphaned children. Seeing as how Harry's an orphan, that's quite cute. Probably not based on that though.

I also love the basilisk notion. It's been used hundreds of times, but sometimes called a cockatrice. It was supposed to be the offspring of a chicken and a toad and th elegend went that one type of basilisk could kill by staring at you.

I think Kimagine mentioned the chimaera. When she's talking in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find them, she's referencing the old legend about Bellerophon, who flew on Pegasus, the winged horse, and managed to kill one. But later when he tried to fly to Mount Olympus to see Zeus, Zeus got angry at him and tossed him from Pegasus, crippling him.

The Dark Mark looks like it comes from the Middle Ages threat of a Devils' Mark, a mark that Satan put on one if he had their allegiance. It's kind of the same thing as Voldemort.

That's all I can otherwise think of. There was talk of a while about Snape being based on Septimius Severus, who succeeded Commodus as Roman Emperor, but I don't see any real similarities there at all.

Yoana
September 11th, 2008, 9:40 am
Krum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krum) was the leader of Bulgaria around 800.

And the most famous tale abour him is that when he defeaten the Byzantians near the then-capital of Bulgaria, Pliska, he had a goblet made out of the Byzantian emperor (Nikephoros)'s skull and drank to his victory from it. It's an ancient belief that if you consume something of (or out of, in this case) your enemy's body, you take in his power.

I think the goblet story is interesting in light of the fact that Viktor is introduced in the book called Goblet of Fire. And his first name means "victory", of course.

Drusilla
September 11th, 2008, 10:45 am
Wasnt Romulus one of the nick names they chose is Potterwatch I dont remember exactly who chose it .

Remus Lupin used it as his pseudonym :).


But of course, the name Hermione surely came to JKR via Shakespeare (Winter's Tale)?


Yes, it did: I believe she confirmed that in an interview once.

TreacleTartlet
October 5th, 2008, 2:11 pm
This is my type of thread, as I just love the way JKR has drawn on myths and folklore and put her own spin on them. Reading through the thread I couldn’t find anything on the Veela, soI thought I’d add them in.

The Veela are a type of fairy creature found in Slavic folklore. As a ballet teacher I was already familiar with the legend of the Willis, found in Act two of the ballet Giselle. The ballet’s libretto was inspired by a passage from Heinrich Heine’s, ‘De L’Allemagne’, who took the idea of the Willis, from Slavic folklore. Like in HP they appear beautiful but can turn very nasty.


http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_fairies

Wila
In Polish mythology, the Wila (VEE-lah) are reputed in Poland to be female fairy-like spirits who live in the wilderness and sometimes clouds. They were believed to be the spirits of women who had been frivolous in their lifetimes and now floated between here and the afterlife. They sometimes appear as the swans, snakes, horses, falcons, or wolves that they can shapeshift into but usually appear as beautiful maidens, naked or dressed in white with long flowing hair.

It is said that if even one of these hairs is plucked, the Wila will die, or be forced to change back to her true shape. A human may gain the control of a Wila by stealing feathers from her wings. Once she gets them back, however, she will disappear. (Compare Swan maiden.)

The voices of the Wila are as beautiful as they are, and one who hears them loses all thoughts of food, drink or sleep, sometimes for days. Despite their feminine charms, however, the Wila are fierce warriors. The earth is said to shake when they do battle. They have healing and prophetic powers and are sometimes willing to help mankind. Other times they lure young men to dance with them, which according to their mood can be a very good or very bad thing for the lad. They ride on horses or deer when they hunt with their bows and arrows and will kill any man who defies them or breaks his word. Fairy rings of deep thick grass are left where they have danced which should never be trod upon (bad luck).

bookworm13
June 28th, 2009, 8:47 pm
The Sphinx in the Maze in GoF guarded the way forward very much like the Sphinx from Greek mythology. She too asked a riddle. "What goes on four legs in the morning, two legs in the afternoon, and three legs in the evening?" the answer is a man (crawling as a child, walking, and using a cane in older years) and the sphinx would devour every person who got the riddle wrong. When Oedipus finally got the right answer, she threw herself off the nearby cliff. Harry's Sphinx didn't do anything quite that dramatic, but the same principles apply.

FurryDice
July 2nd, 2009, 1:55 am
This is my type of thread, as I just love the way JKR has drawn on myths and folklore and put her own spin on them. Reading through the thread I couldn’t find anything on the Veela, soI thought I’d add them in.

The Veela are a type of fairy creature found in Slavic folklore. As a ballet teacher I was already familiar with the legend of the Willis, found in Act two of the ballet Giselle. The ballet’s libretto was inspired by a passage from Heinrich Heine’s, ‘De L’Allemagne’, who took the idea of the Willis, from Slavic folklore. Like in HP they appear beautiful but can turn very nasty.


http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_fairies


That's cool, I didn't know that. Interesting piece of folklore.

Trelawney's great-great-grandmother Cassandra is a reference to the Seer of Greek mythology. If I remember correctly, Cassandra was given the gift of prophecy, but later cursed by the gods that no-one would believe her visions. She warned the people of Troy to beware Greeks bearing gifts, of course she wasn't believed and it didn't end too well for the Trojans when they accepted the peace offering of a nice wooden horse.

watari_san
July 14th, 2009, 2:56 pm
The Sphinx in the Maze in GoF guarded the way forward very much like the Sphinx from Greek mythology. She too asked a riddle. "What goes on four legs in the morning, two legs in the afternoon, and three legs in the evening?" the answer is a man (crawling as a child, walking, and using a cane in older years) and the sphinx would devour every person who got the riddle wrong. When Oedipus finally got the right answer, she threw herself off the nearby cliff. Harry's Sphinx didn't do anything quite that dramatic, but the same principles apply.

Yes. The sphinx was one of the things that I was going to mention as well. And Oedipus is one of the better known instances of the sphinx myth.

Another thing I wanted to mention was the fact that she used hippogriffs--which are legendary creatures that supposedly are born when a mare and a griffin are mated. It's interesting to note that griffins usually preyed on horses, so for the two to mate was thought impossible. So the hippogriff also represented such impossible love.

BiancaAura
July 16th, 2009, 12:53 am
I enjoy mythology and had an art partner in school who was into Gorgons. I wondered if there is any mythology that is the source for Nifflers and Kneazles.

HP4evr1807
July 31st, 2009, 8:19 pm
I noticed that the mermaids in GoF that sing pretty songs, but actually turn out to be quite ugly in nature, and not very friendly, and they pose a threat in the task in the lake in GoF during the Tri Wizard Tournament.

These are similar to the sirens in the Greek mythology, as they sing beautiful songs that lure sailors to them, and then end up harming them. So, although they sang these heaven like songs, they were very dangerous, and had to be avoided, although this proved to be very hard at times, as is seen in Homer's Odyssey.

BellatrixBL
August 13th, 2010, 8:29 pm
Hiya!! I've decided to post this to know your opinion about mythological creatures that appear in Harry Potter in general, but most of all, to know which one of them you consider is the one most important for the series; and other things you would like to say about them, like which one of them is your favorite/ least favorite, if you knew these creatures existed before reading Harry Potter, which one scares you the most, and an over all opinion.

So, I'll start with myself and I hope you too will post your opinion on the matter ;)

For me, I think the most important creature for Harry Potter would be the phoenix, because I think it represents what the Order and Harry are standing for, and of course, the Basilisk, which I think represents Voldemort... As for my favorite, it would be again the phoenix, and least favorite... I think maybe the Troll, because they are ugly, by far not intelligent, scary and I think they must smell awfully. And well, for me, reading Harry Potter has brought to my attention most of the things I know right now about mythology, and I'm glad it has!

So, what about you?

bellatrix93
August 13th, 2010, 8:45 pm
Most important one would probably be the Phoenix, :agree:. Not just because it stands for the Order and what they fight for, but also because of the whole twin core thing; the core of Harry and Voldemort's wands came from a phoenix.

My favourite creatures, though, are the Centaurs. I loved them before I even started reading the series. And I think Jo managed to write them very well. I love their pride, and I just like how enigmatic they are! :tu:

MissGranger1979
August 13th, 2010, 11:05 pm
Most important one would probably be the Phoenix, :agree:. Not just because it stands for the Order and what they fight for, but also because of the whole twin core thing; the core of Harry and Voldemort's wands came from a phoenix.

My favourite creatures, though, are the Centaurs. I loved them before I even started reading the series. And I think Jo managed to write them very well. I love their pride, and I just like how enigmatic they are! :tu:

True about the Phoenix. I think the House-elves are pretty important too though. Dobby saves their lives, Winky looks after Barty Crouch Jr and Kreacher tells the trio where to find the locket.

FurryDice
August 14th, 2010, 12:42 am
For me, I think the most important creature for Harry Potter would be the phoenix, because I think it represents what the Order and Harry are standing for, and of course, the Basilisk, which I think represents Voldemort... As for my favorite, it would be again the phoenix, and least favorite... I think maybe the Troll, because they are ugly, by far not intelligent, scary and I think they must smell awfully. And well, for me, reading Harry Potter has brought to my attention most of the things I know right now about mythology, and I'm glad it has!

Yeah, good point about who and what the phoenix and the basilisk represent. The basilisk, especially. I think in hindsight Harry's observation after meeting Aragog is very telling- that the basilisk was like a monster's version of Voldemort, in that other monsters feared to speak its name. Considering who the basilisk's master was...:lol:

Most important one would probably be the Phoenix, :agree:. Not just because it stands for the Order and what they fight for, but also because of the whole twin core thing; the core of Harry and Voldemort's wands came from a phoenix.

Good point. Fawkes the phoenix is very important. Literally, to the plot, and symbolically.

True about the Phoenix. I think the House-elves are pretty important too though. Dobby saves their lives, Winky looks after Barty Crouch Jr and Kreacher tells the trio where to find the locket.

Hmm, elves are traditional beings in folklore, but I don't think JKR's house elves are the same kind of idea. Aren't elves traditionally held to be mischievious little creatures? Although they are very like the elves in the fairy tale of The Elves and the Shoemaker -hardworking, helping humans, and leaving when they're given clothes... But I agree that the house elves play an important role in the series.

jookyle
August 14th, 2010, 2:07 am
The unicorn and phoenix would be two very important ones as they serve many uses. I don't think you can argue the phoenix just because of the circumstances with Harry. Twin cores could happen with unicorn hair or dragon heartstrings.

If you're talking about in the series specifically, then Fawkes would obviously take president over any other.

FleurduJardin
August 14th, 2010, 5:05 am
I'll go with the phoenix too - not only the twin cores and all the other arguments, and all its other powers (carrying heavy loads, healing tears) but it's also a symbol of rebirth. Born again from its own ashes, like the Order of the Phoenix was. Got back to fight one more time after a good number of the original members were killed off or otherwise incapacitated (the Longbottoms for example.)

I always regretted that JKR never mentioned Fawkes again after "the Phoenix's Lament". I felt sure he'd pop up again during the last battles.

I also like the Centaurs a lot. In Greek mythology and in Harry Potter. They are a proud people in both, and usually very wise.

I'm surprised no one mentioned merpeople yet. Mermaids were a big part of Greek myth (remember Odysseus?) - and in HP, they also are wise, and independent.

I found the scene of Dumbledore's funeral, where all the different magical beings show up, to be very touching. :upset:

I don't remember any Elves in Greek mythology, but I guess you meant Celtic myth. The House Elves here, though they have similar traits with "the little people", are nothing like the Elves in, for example, Lord of the Rings. But they do play an important role.

Good point about the Basilisk being a symbol for Voldemort. :tu:

bellatrix93
August 14th, 2010, 10:07 am
I'm surprised no one mentioned merpeople yet. Mermaids were a big part of Greek myth (remember Odysseus?) - and in HP, they also are wise, and independent.

I thought they didn't play much of role in the series, though. :shrug:

I've been thinking about the Dragons actually. They played an indirect role in PS (Hagrid acquiring the Dragon Egg, and giving Voldemort the secret of Fluffy by mistake). Also, they played a role in DH (The trio escaping on a Dragon's back).

FleurduJardin
August 14th, 2010, 10:34 pm
I thought they didn't play much of role in the series, though. :shrug:
Maybe not, but they did play an important role in GoF, and they showed up at Dumbledore's funeral. Dumbledore seems to have consulted with them quite often. They are creatures to be reckoned with.

In passing, I'd like to note that I mentioned Odysseus in connection with mermaids when actually it was sirens who almost got his whole fleet to wreck. My explanation is that in French, we have the same word, "sirène", for both mermaids and sirens. I actually don't know what the difference in English is, but that is beyond the scope of this thread, so I won't pursue it. :)

I've been thinking about the Dragons actually. They played an indirect role in PS (Hagrid acquiring the Dragon Egg, and giving Voldemort the secret of Fluffy by mistake). Also, they played a role in DH (The trio escaping on a Dragon's back).You're right. I was limiting my examples to Greek mythology, and though there are many snakelike, winged creatures there, they are not called "dragons" in that mythology. But they do figure quite a lot in other myths, including, actually, Vietnamese myths (and Chinese, and Asian in general, though they are viewed very differently in Asia than in the West - but here I'm veering off-topic again. Sorry.) :blush:

Dragons do play a big role in HP, but they are not depicted as sentient creatures, not the way phoenixes, elves, merpeople, giants (despite their limited intellect) and centaurs are. They are just animals, though powerful ones. Hippogryffs seem actually brighter than dragons in the HP universe.

Which leads me to winged horses - Pegasus, anyone? - though they, too, are animals, not sentient species. Ditto unicorns, despite their many magical qualities.

ETA - Oh, I forgot about the Sphinx. Yes, that's another mythological creature, with its riddles. (Refer to Oedipus!)

Treacle Tartlet, thanks for your input about the Wilis in "Giselle". I hadn't made the connection with the Veelas, but then I hadn't been aware of the Wilas in Swedish folklore. In "Giselle", the Wilis are spirits/ghost of wronged (loved then abandoned) maidens who take their revenge on men by having them dance until they drop dead. Giselle saves her beloved Albrecht (who IMO doesn' deserve it) by dancing with him until dawn, which helps him survive. In HP, though, the Veelas can be nasty, but they don't actually do any harm, and Fleur's Veela heritage doesn't seem to have turned her nasty or evil. She just inherited their beauty.

merrymarge
August 15th, 2010, 10:50 pm
I don't want to focus on just one magical creature as being the most important. I just like the fact that all of the magical creatures helped Harry in some way. I like to think that it was because Harry was considerate of everyone. Not Nagini and Aragog, of course, but most of the others.

SneekyMarauder
August 16th, 2010, 7:23 pm
Threstrals could also be the source of a mystical horse call Seipnir. Seipnir was an 8 legged horse that belonged to the Norse God Odin. Seipnir, which means "the slipper" or "slippery", is the horse the Odin uses to ride to Hel (Hell. Spelled different in mythology. Also, means death in Norse Paganism). He is also "the best horse of the gods". I don't have the book with me but, I believe when Harry tries to climb on the back of one of the threstrals in OotP, he describes it as slippery. It's a stretch but, possible. Here's the link to the stories that he's related to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleipnir

BellatrixBL
September 1st, 2010, 11:13 pm
Well, I think most of the creatures that appear in HP (excluding a few like Dementors) are based in mythology, like the Basilisk, the phoenix, the hippogriff and all the others... Also, with Thestrals, I think they could have something to do with another winged horse like Pegasus... There are similarities, at least.

Talking about creatures, which one is your least favourite? For me would be the trolls all the way. And what do you think is the most powerful? For me, again, my favourite possibly: the phoenix :P

Kierstoast
September 5th, 2010, 1:05 am
I love how Sirius and Regulus Black are both named after stars, it was such a cool connection! I'd always known that Sirius was a star, but while in Earth and Space science earlier this week, we were mapping out constellations and I saw Regulus and utterly freaked out, he's right next to Sirius! Though it's also fun to point out that Regulus and Sirius are never there together in the same season, but are opposite, just like in the story. And of course Orion and Cygnus Black also have their places in the sky. That's just such an awesome tradition in my opinion!

And I loved the Romulus/Remus connection which I spotted right away. I sort of have a thing for Mythology so I make those connections easily. When I was seven and read PS I knew instantly that Fluffy was Cerberus. ^^