Remus Lupin's Death

Well we can all imagine or even know that Remus' Boggart was full moons but I can't remember if he used a patronus to get rid of them or not. Surely somewhere in the books his partonus is mentioned? If not let's ask Jo.
Maybe Teddy's was a wolf in honor of his father?

I know I know that's all off topic.....
He did use a patronus to get rid of dementors on the train in Harry's 3rd year at Hogwarts. Sorry if I get them mixed up, but as I recall shield patronus' are the animal ones and a full fledged patronus is the one that's just a big huge shield of light. That night on the train Reums' patronus was just a big huge shield of light. The animal patronus' didn't show up intill the 5th book for some reason. Please tell me if I got the diffrent kinds of patronuses mixed up though.

He did use a patronus to get rid of dementors on the train in Harry's 3rd year at Hogwarts. Sorry if I get them mixed up, but as I recall shield patronus' are the animal ones and a full fledged patronus is the one that's just a big huge shield of light. That night on the train Reums' patronus was just a big huge shield of light. The animal patronus' didn't show up intill the 5th book for some reason. Please tell me if I got the diffrent kinds of patronuses mixed up though.


I think you're confused, here aren't different types of Patronuses. There are different levels of producing them, as you get better and better the Patronus gets stronger. The corporeal ones (the animal ones) are the strongest and require the most power, that's why everyone is so impressed that Harry can produce his stag Patronus when he's just 13. And the animal Patronuses appear in the third book, when Harry casts his Patronus to save himself and Sirius from the dementors. It's when he realizes that "Prongs" was a stag, and that his father was still there to protect him.

I believe when Harry is practicing with Lupin, it says he was able to produce an "indistinct shield" every time the dementor approaches, but he was unhappy with that because it drained him of his energy to keep it there. I believe he asks Lupin if it's suppose to "charge down" the dementor (forgive me, I don't have my books for the exact quote.) Lupin responds that a full-fledged one, or the animal one, would. The highest form of casting a Patronus is most definately the animal shape, and it's unique to everyone who casts it.

I do not know where there is any canon for a "sheild patronus". Everyones patronus is an animal, if they cannot produce an animal, then they haven't got the spell down right yet and it is like puffy wannabe forms.

All of the kids in the DA class had animals once they could do it. Lupin had an animal form because he could communicate with the Order - like Tonks and others did (all Order members could do them). In the close quarters of the train, with the door a couple of feet away, Lupin's patronus likely looked like a big blob of light, but it was actually his animal patronus.

Harry's blobs of light while he was practicing against Boggarts was nothing more than doing the spell poorly. Once he got the spell down right, he could make his stag every time. The first time he did it right, it was also a very powerful patronus - and until then, Harry was unable to do the spell right. Dumbledore said "prongs road again last night" which indicates some kind of magic involving Harry and his dad together were able to make a stag patronus so powerful, it drove away 100's of dementors. But the one that Harry did later in DH or DA class was not that powerful - they were normal and could do what they were supposed to do. The POA patronus was a special magical event - recall he touched the stag and said "prongs" - that was his recognition of his dad's presence.

I heard of a shield patronus in OotP the movie, but I'm not sure if it was in the book. So therefore I'm not all that sure if it's ture.

I was very shocked at first by the death, and did feel a bit cheated like some people did when I found out that JKR killed off Remus just to save Arthur. However, she did bring Remus back briefly in the forest which was bittersweet: we get to see him for one last time, making Remus fans (like me) happy, yet sad, as he's not really there if you get what I mean. Harry just summoned him with the stone, along with Lily, James and Sirius.

I'm not sure if I read it on this thread, or elsewhere on the forum, but someone had shown surprise at the fact that Harry did not summon Tonks with the stone too. I think it was because he didn't have quite the same connection with Tonks-even though he cared about her-as he did with Lupin and certainly with Sirius. Sure, he was affected by Tonks' death too, but the relationship was a bit different there, and not quite as close or connected to him as were his parents, Sirius and Lupin.

I had a thought: do you think anyone from Harry's year who were in the same DADA class that Lupin taught in 3rd year recognized Lupin in the Great Hall? Obviously, they probably weren't as deeply affected as Harry appeared to be by his death, but perhaps someone from his year would have recognized Lupin too as their former 3rd year DADA teacher, and remembered his awesome lessons. :( Someone like, say, Neville...who, I'm sure, still remembers the Snape boggart...

Makes me sad thinking about it now. :upset:

Well it's obvious that he didn't just teach third year students, what about the students that had been in second, and first years? Wouldn't they have recognized him too, if they had at least? Perhaps even the first years would have remembered him because he was their very first DADA professer, and it seems that his condition isn't very common, so I would think a majority of the people, such as Draco, that had a problem with his werewolfishness, would be terrified and remember him. It's quiet sad, though, to believe that there were possibly those people that recognized him as the monster side of him, and only the monster side, and were happy he was dead :sad:. :no:.

I was very shocked at first by the death, and did feel a bit cheated like some people did when I found out that JKR killed off Remus just to save Arthur.

Now this is new to me.

As far as I understand it, JKR has said that she changed her mind about three people, one got a reprieve, and that was Arthur, ad two died who might not have died. But she didn't say that there was a causal connection. Arthur was spared because she couldn't face seeing the Weasleys without a father and some such reasons, as far as I can tell from what i have heard and read there was no conneection with Remus death at all. ...

If you have any specific information that shows that there is a connection I'd like to see it.


I had a thought: do you think anyone from Harry's year who were in the same DADA class that Lupin taught in 3rd year recognized Lupin in the Great Hall? Obviously, they probably weren't as deeply affected as Harry appeared to be by his death, but perhaps someone from his year would have recognized Lupin too as their former 3rd year DADA teacher, and remembered his awesome lessons. :( Someone like, say, Neville...who, I'm sure, still remembers the Snape boggart...

Makes me sad thinking about it now. :upset:


Yes, this is sad. But I am sure that more people recognised Remus - although many would have found seveeral people there who they'd recognise. :(

Quite a few pupils enjoyed his lessons - if I remember correctly plenty of people talked about them at the time. Of course, there were only three years left at the school which would remembered those lessons, and of those quite a few had gone for some reason or other.

But especially those who remianed to fight would perhaps have been those with a special interest in DADA, and an appreciation for good teaching in the subject. And of course, quite a few DADA experts of earlier years also returned for the battle - most of them DA members, and I am sure that THEY would have remembered Remus fondly....

So I'd say that there was probably quite a lot of mourning for Remus in those sad early hours/days after the battle.

Now this is new to me.

As far as I understand it, JKR has said that she changed her mind about three people, one got a reprieve, and that was Arthur, ad two died who might not have died. But she didn't say that there was a causal connection. Arthur was spared because she couldn't face seeing the Weasleys without a father and some such reasons, as far as I can tell from what i have heard and read there was no conneection with Remus death at all. ...

If you have any specific information that shows that there is a connection I'd like to see it.

It is at Accio quote. JKR said Remus originally was going to live, but then she wanted all of Harry's father figures (Sirius, Remus and Dumbledore) to die so he would go it alone. She was going to kill Arthur, he got the repreive and the two deaths that she added were Remus and Tonks with their story about leaving an orphan, like Harry had been (the horrors of war). She didn't mention it, but she also made Harry the godfather of Teddy the orphan - relating the 3 Marauders by bequest (James & lily made Sirius = godfather to Harry and Sirius= Tonks cousin and Remus = Tonks husband and Remus and Tonks made Harry = Teddy's godfather)

I have to say I was pretty devastated, he's one of my favorite characters. Though I agree, I liked the fact that he got to reunite with James and Sirius. Kinda like the older trio (We're not counting wormy >__<) got to reunite in death, as the new one did in life.

When I look back, it was total deja vu. You know, after way screwing up Remus, the least she could do was to let him live and see how Teddy grew up. It's like Harry all over again.

When I look back, it was total deja vu. You know, after way screwing up Remus, the least she could do was to let him live and see how Teddy grew up. It's like Harry all over again.

Ye sit is, and JKR is on record saying that this was exactly her intention. She wanted to have a comparison - another orphaned boy whose parents have died in the fight against Voldemort. But this time he grows up a happy child looked after by his grandmother, and also close to his godfather and his family.

I think Remus' and Tonks' deaths are a very high price to pay to show us that times have changed - but the similarity (and at the same time great difference) between Ted's and Harry's youth was completely intentional.

Yes- the antithesis of who Harry grew up - I like it since Teddy was happy.....

Me, too..... and I like to imagine how much Harry made sure that Teddy had the best childhood and teens any orphan could ever have - and lots of memories of his parents, too..... I am sure that would have given Harry so much joy, and would have been a little bit consolation for losing so many people he loved himself.....

Still - that part of the story, however much sense it makes, comes at a high price.....

I would just as much have loved to see Lupin drafted into the ministry to sort out werewolf rights/werewolf healthcare and become a member of society who wasn't just respected but, what is more, also knew himself that he could be a respected member of society - just one who had to make sure to take his medication regularly and have a night off every month..... <sigh>

Sigh.... Yes I definitely agree....wholeheartedly.

I just read the part in DH where we find out about the deaths of Remus and Tonks and it had absolutely no impact on me at all. One minute I was sad because of the Weasley's crying and mourning Fred's death and then BAM! Tonks and Remus are just lying there. It didn't bring any emotion out in me this time, which I was quite upset about. :(

I just read the part in DH where we find out about the deaths of Remus and Tonks and it had absolutely no impact on me at all. One minute I was sad because of the Weasley's crying and mourning Fred's death and then BAM! Tonks and Remus are just lying there. It didn't bring any emotion out in me this time, which I was quite upset about. :(
I'm just the opposite. The first time I read it I wasn't very emotional about Fred's death, but when Tonks and Remus are lying there I started crying. I love Tonks and Remus more than Fred.

I just think the way his death was written was totally unemotional. It just sort of occured, and there wasnt even a story behind it. It made it seem like it wasnt worthwhile to write or something. Which I find sad, because I loved both Remus and Tonks.

I just think the way his death was written was totally unemotional. It just sort of occured, and there wasnt even a story behind it. It made it seem like it wasnt worthwhile to write or something. Which I find sad, because I loved both Remus and Tonks.

I agree, I think that he deserved a bit more then that. It was unemotional, I was shocked that he died but I didn't burst into tears like when other people died.

I just think the way his death was written was totally unemotional. It just sort of occured, and there wasnt even a story behind it. It made it seem like it wasnt worthwhile to write or something. Which I find sad, because I loved both Remus and Tonks.
Yes, that's how I felt as well. :( Like you said, we didn't get to hear the story of their deaths. Harry just finds them in the Great Hall, lined up with all of the other dead bodies. In a way their death is the most depressing in the whole series for me, next to Dobby's. But even then, Dobby's death had meaning. Lupin's death just...happened. It was a very empty death IMO, and I think that Remus deserves more than that. :sad:

Well, I think that exactly that pointlessness, and, in a way, Harry's inability to mourn Lupin properly *at that point in time* (I am sure he would react differently once he had overcome his own first big shock and trauma) is actually quite moving.

It really brings out the ... well... horrendous numbness that has to overcome you if too many bad things happen at once, even (or even more so) if that is coupled with an almost unbelievable triumph. It's just too much!

And the fact that we are discussing the scene, and feel shocked that Lupin andTonks were just lying there, without much more said about it, shows that that details did exactly eexpress this sort of atmosphere. If there hadn't been someone we knew and loved, but not onoured openly at that point, JKR wouldn't have got the particular shock and nubness of that hour as well as she did...... IMHO.


Which doesn't say that I am not horribly sad about Lupin's death. I am. But I think i can see that JKR had some very good reasons why a high profile character (or two) needed to be killed off at this point, and shown to be almost ignored. It is meant to shock and sadden us. And it does.

I agree, I think that he deserved a bit more then that. It was unemotional, I was shocked that he died but I didn't burst into tears like when other people died.

YEAH. I felt totally mad that Remus' death, Remus, the only person closest to a biological parent to Harry, was not well explained.

Lupin's death was a total kick in the teeth, but it was great the way she did it, it really hit home because it was so sudden. She does death in a way where you kind of see it coming, but with lupin and tonks you didnt even see it or know the details it just made it that much more striking. Super sad though that they both had to die.

I didn't like Lupin's death. It felt a lot like she added it as an afterthought. It wasn't sad or shocking at all.

It particularly annoys me because Lupin never got to face off against Greyback. She spent so much time developing their connection, but in the end, Greyback was just some random inconsequental bad guy that for some reason got a lot of attention.

It felt sloppy.

I really felt that JKR should have explained how Remus and Tonks died or at least she could have added the part of like where they battled and who killed them into the book. I really wish Remus got the chance to kill Greyback, but then again Greyback did get Bill so Bill could finish him. I just think Remus should have lived and should have gotten to finish off Greyback. It's so sad!!!

I dunno, considering the ways JKR came up with for people to die, I was rather glad she didn't give any details. With the exception of Colin, Lupin and Tonks, all of the deaths were either gruesome or eerie, imo. I was very glad she did it the way she did. Of course I wanted him to hit the afterworld anyway because the earthly wizard world sucked for him. And the bit where he came back and showed how happy he was was cool too.

Admitedly i read the book three times till i finally believed that he could possibly be dead. I loved Lupin and the fact that he had just got married had a kid began to settle down made his death all the more tragic. I will miss you Remus.

He must like it better dead though because when he died I'm sure the part of him that was a warewolf was gone and he became all wizard again. Just like in the book DH harry said that Sirius looked a lot better than when he was alive.

Well.... yes, he was perhaps happier. But I really would have loved to see Remus experiencing a wizarding world which accepts werewolves and offers regular treatments with wolfsbane potion via a wizarding health service....

He could perhaps have been convinced to help changing attitudes, especially among werewolves who had chosen to live as outcasts.

Well.... yes, he was perhaps happier. But I really would have loved to see Remus experiencing a wizarding world which accepts werewolves and offers regular treatments with wolfsbane potion via a wizarding health service....
I agree. It wasn't fair that he died when much of the wizarding population didn't recognize him as the good man he was, but instead as a cold-hearted monster. It's sad.... :sad:

He could perhaps have been convinced to help changing attitudes, especially among werewolves who had chosen to live as outcasts.Yeah, by that point he had finally accepted his role as a werewolf and was determined to do all he could to make it better and less painful. He could help other werewolves who are having the same problems he once did. :)

Ugh, Lupin's death. Remus has been my favorite character since I read the third book somewhere around the age of 12. I'd been pulling for him and Tonks to get together since OOTP, and I was so pleased to see he'd finally found some happiness...

...only to have it snatched away. I was already reading through tears over Fred, but when Harry passed Lupin and Tonks' bodies, I had to put the book down and wail for a good ten minutes or so.

Someone said that they were glad that his death hadn't been shown. For me, it wasn't enough. I couldn't stand that he'd been given afterthought status. I needed to know what happened. Did he go down fighting? Who killed him? Had he died saving a former student of his? Did he know that Tonks was there with him before he died? Or did she not come along until later? Or did she die first? Was he aware that he was dying or was it over too quickly? And so on, round and round, endless unanswerable questions. For me, it's so much more frustrating not knowing. I'd rather hear the horrible details than have them left to my own imagination! :no:

Maybe it was even better not knowing-sometimes you don't need all the details of how your loved one has died in war: you only know they're dead, despite wanting to ask how they died. And I think Rowling said somewhere that Lupin was killed by Dolohov.

I just read the part in DH where we find out about the deaths of Remus and Tonks and it had absolutely no impact on me at all. One minute I was sad because of the Weasley's crying and mourning Fred's death and then BAM! Tonks and Remus are just lying there. It didn't bring any emotion out in me this time, which I was quite upset about. :(

I felt the same. Dobby's death made me cry, it was really moving. I was also sad for Fred's death, but I didn't feel such an emotion when Harry found out Tonks and Lupin's death. Maybe just because we saw Dobby's and Fred's death through Harry's eyes ( Dobby dying while helping Harry and his friends to escape from Malfoy Manor and Fred while joking) whereas we just see Tonks and Lupin lying next to Fred in the great Hall.
I personaly didn't find these deaths necessary. Teddy is now an orphan, just like Harry:sad:, but it seems it was JK Rowling's goal to parallel the two situations.

I felt the same. Dobby's death made me cry, it was really moving. I was also sad for Fred's death, but I didn't feel such an emotion when Harry found out Tonks and Lupin's death. Maybe just because we saw Dobby's and Fred's death through Harry's eyes ( Dobby dying while helping Harry and his friends to escape from Malfoy Manor and Fred while joking) whereas we just see Tonks and Lupin lying next to Fred in the great Hall.
I personaly didn't find these deaths necessary. Teddy is now an orphan, just like Harry:sad:, but it seems it was JK Rowling's goal to parallel the two situations.

You're right. These deaths didn't really mean anything, other than the fact that your friends do die in war, and you can't prevent that from happening. I found it realistic, becasue Harry couldn't have possibly seen all of the action that was going on, or see each death, and this is what would happen in real life. It just wasn't very satisfying for me as the reader. She could have added something in which another character divulged the information of their deaths to Harry. That would have probably brought out much more emotion in me.

You're right. These deaths didn't really mean anything, other than the fact that your friends do die in war, and you can't prevent that from happening. I found it realistic, becasue Harry couldn't have possibly seen all of the action that was going on, or see each death, and this is what would happen in real life. It just wasn't very satisfying for me as the reader. She could have added something in which another character divulged the information of their deaths to Harry. That would have probably brought out much more emotion in me.


Exactly. Lupin's death was realistic, not necessary, just like many deaths are during wartime, and I guess realsitically, we wouldnt have known the cause of everyone's death. But like you said it wasnt satisfiying to the readers who in most cases have emotional attachment to the characters. Lupin's death just seemed like a bit of an afterthought because it wasnt given a cause like almost every other death that occurred.

You're right. These deaths didn't really mean anything, other than the fact that your friends do die in war, and you can't prevent that from happening. I found it realistic, becasue Harry couldn't have possibly seen all of the action that was going on, or see each death, and this is what would happen in real life. It just wasn't very satisfying for me as the reader. She could have added something in which another character divulged the information of their deaths to Harry. That would have probably brought out much more emotion in me.
That's right. This is realistic since the story is told from Harry's point of view, and he is not omniscient. And it's true that as the reader, we want to know what happened to Lupin and his wife. All we can assume is that maybe they were killed by Bellatrix, just as Voldemort asked her to do in the first chapter. But you're right, someone could have told him, and therefore us, this information.

Normally I wouldn't bother much with a character death, but both Lupin and Tonks were favorite characters of mine, and even more so when I found out that they had a relationship (or something like that) at HBP. It was a relationship outside the "box" so to say, we all knew about Harry and Ginny, and Ron and Hermiones constant endearing bickering ( :lol:), mr and mrs Weasley, well we got to see them as a family, and I'll not bother to mention the Dursleys.

Now everytime I read the book, or see a picture (and I've seen many!) on the Lupin family, I still cannot grasp the fact that JKR killed them to create a parallel to Harry, or as some people I know said it: The Arthur Weasley Survival Price. To this very day, it still annoys me greatly. They lasted so long against the DE wishes, and in the end, they were the only named adults on the good side(besides Fred and Snape - not sure if he counts since they believed him a traitor at the time and Voldemort killed him out of "necessity") that fell in the final battle. :grumble:

After reading DH a third time my opinion hasn't changed a lot. I lost a lot of my admiration for Remus' character and his death left me pretty much indifferent. He also seemed happy to be reunited with the James, Sirius and Lily, so I couldn't really grieve about his character's death.

I hope he loses his werewolf curse when he dies and in the afterlife - reunited with Sirius and James (and along with Tonks) gets to have his next GREAT adventure knowing that his son is loved and cared for by his grandmother and Harry, Ginny et al.

I was totally disgusted with the death of both Lupin and Tonks. I mean all of the Marauders?! With the exception of "Petti-Pig" - killing them off was just so pointless except in an effort to get the big shocks. And this was one of the events which sucked out much of my enjoyment of DH. Just unnecessary and disappointing. DH was my least favorable of all the books in part due to this plot twist.

I hope he loses his werewolf curse when he dies and in the afterlife - reunited with Sirius and James (and along with Tonks) gets to have his next GREAT adventure knowing that his son is loved and cared for by his grandmother and Harry, Ginny et al.

Well in the Forest Again Chapter, Remus was looking young, healthy and happy again - it seems to me that would indicate that the negative parts related to his werewolfism were gone. I figured he became an animagus, able to be a werewolf when he wished without the radical nature of the body change and the desire to attack humans - after all, no need to propagate the species up there. I think that would be pretty kick outcome. :rockon:

After reading DH a third time my opinion hasn't changed a lot. I lost a lot of my admiration for Remus' character and his death left me pretty much indifferent. He also seemed happy to be reunited with the James, Sirius and Lily, so I couldn't really grieve about his character's death.

I know what you mean but it still didn't stop me from crying like a baby when I first read it!
What a complete shock!

It seemed quite coincidental that both Lupin and Tonks were killed just like James and Lily; they didn't get to see their sons grow up or with Lupin and Tonks, they didn't get to spend alot of time with Teddy before their deaths. :upset:
But I suppose they knew that Harry and everyone would take care of him:)

I lost a lot of my admiration for Remus' character

really? personally hallows made me understand Lupin a bit more and truely feel sorry for him because of his lycanthropy,and of how much he actually hates himself because of it.

anyway.Just jumping straight in.
Im not mad he died, Im a lupin fan but I too would have saved Arthur instead.
Im mad he didnt have a death scene.
HE WAS THE LAST MARAUDER! for gods sake JKR! all of the marauders went out with a bang...and nope all we get is lupin dead on the floor (personally im still in denial and have forced myself to beleive he was just taking a mid-war nap lol)

I need closure damnit!

i dont want him dead, but im sure that he will die so i already accept that possibility before reading the dh.. but i was so dissappointed coz i dont think he got a decent moment before he died... jk didnt even bother to write even a bit part on how it happened its so unfair... i dont care what u say but for me he is still one of the important charactr there and he deserve.. were not asking for a grand exit.. just a decent one.. poor lupin...

im sad on that part..

but on the other side happy that he is reunited with sirius and james.. and he will no longer suffer the discrimination of being a werewolf..

I think it's awesomely tragic that Rowling killed all the Marauders off. :cool:

Poor Remus, his life was not a happy one. :( I guess his happiest years were at Hogwarts, with the three friends who loved and accepted him. :sigh:

I think the reason why JKR didn't give Remus an awesome death scene was that she wanted to show the realism of war. Not everybody, even a character that is much loved, gets 'screen time' in the middle of a battle.

I understand the lack of closure ... but it is realistic.

I can't find it, where is it?

Considering the nature of the death scenes we were shown, I was pleased that JKR didn't graphically describe Lupin's final battle. He was my fav character too, as werewolves always are, and after reading of his miserable life for many years, I really was not up for reading about his death JKR style. I thought both he and Collin were granted a perfect passing based on their characters - just found dead, peaceful in death as in life (for the most part). I wanted him to die and finally find happiness in the next great adventure of the afterlife with his mates and no werewolf prejudice; but I didn't want to read the "how" cuz JKR can get a bit gruesome at times :lol: - especially in war/battle situations. I recall Moody's eye, Snape and the Snake, Sirius' mysterious fall through the veil, James falling like a maroinette, Lily screaming in pain and terror throughout until her death; Charity Burbage handing upside down tortured and AK'd - then eaten by Nagini, Fred being crushed by a ceiling, Hedwig hit and then blown up...well you get the point...I was pretty happy just to find Lupin laying there with a pleasant exit. Then she showed us him happy in the resurrection stone scene to top off his great outcome. Overall I thought his death was very well done.

I wasn't pleased about Remus's death at all. :( He was the one character out of the whole book that I truly loved, he was my favourite, and I thought that he deserved (along with Harry) a little bit of happiness and solace, considering his life, that was dominated by prejudice and well, misery. I really wanted something to happen for him...but yes, he had to die. :(

I thought that showing nothing of his death wasn't great. :( I would've rather seen how brave he was at his final hour, so we could at least feel proud of him for staring death in the face. But no...just him there, on the floor, dead.

:( Ah, well...

i admit it i was mad when i found out he died(just like with tonks)..
i don't want to read about how, cause that would really make me cry more with all the deaths... but i really thought their just sleeping, he's just asleep and he'll be waking at st. mungo's or something... :upset:
i was proud of him... although there's no death scene, that we just found him sleeping in peace inside the great hall, he's willing to risk his life... and i admire him for that...

At first I was not bothered because I was very happy that Ron and Hermione had not died.

However now I've grown to love Lupin, and I get a bit upset about his death. Although I'm hoping he's happy in his afterlife. I just hope that Tonks was important enough to him to be there also, but I'm unsure.

For some reason I always expected Lupin to die. From when he was first introduced as a Marauder, and especially once Sirius died, I just couldnt see Lupin living.

I'm not exactly sure why I felt like that, but his death did not come as any sort of surprise to me at all.

I think the reason may have been that in order to really isolate Harry she had to kill off all links with his parents, and Lupin was one of these links. Not sure though.

For some reason I always expected Lupin to die. From when he was first introduced as a Marauder, and especially once Sirius died, I just couldnt see Lupin living.

I'm not exactly sure why I felt like that, but his death did not come as any sort of surprise to me at all.



He always had an air of tragedy about him.

Yeh he did. Very well put. He seemed doomed from the start (although he deserved it for misleading Harry in PoA; and for not getting in touch during the 11 years after James and Lily died).

I thought his death was a bit "matter of fact". I was hoping that since he is more of a supporting minor character than others, not to mention having a closer relationship with Harry than many other minor characters, I thought Harry's grieving for him would be a bit more extended.

Well, I at first felt this, but when Harry tried to console Lupin in 'The Forest Again', I felt like Harry showed how bad he really felt about everything. I was glad of the closure, for sure.

I just have to state, that when It had said that Remus and Dora were with all the ones that were lost, I just kept telling myself "They're alseep... yes... that's it.... Just asleep.... They'll wake up soon..." :upset:

Now, I (sorry if this was mentioned!) Believe that to kill Dora, you also must kill Remus. Remus felt completely unloved for a long time. To find a love, after so long, then they die, and you live the remainder of your life without them, then that would be worse torture than anything the Death Eaters and Voldemort could have come up with.