Lavender "Lav-Lav" Brown: Character Analysis

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Study questions
Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. ;) Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
Does her name tell us anything about her character?
In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

I want to know..did she die? Was she the girl Ginny comforted? Did she become a werewolf or end up like Bill Weasley?

She fell off a balcony and then Greyback attacked her but Harry still saw her move slightly.

I want to know..did she die? Was she the girl Ginny comforted? Did she become a werewolf or end up like Bill Weasley?

She fell off a balcony and then Greyback attacked her but Harry still saw her move slightly.

I think she was just saved in time. I don't think Fenrir Greyback really had the intention to contaminated, but to kill. So I guess she survived but might be a lot like Bill now. I have the feeling that if she has died, it would have been mentioned, she was a "speaking" character, not anonymous.

oh please Lavender be alive, I really don't know why i like her so much (i always like the minor people in a book or a movie). but i thought that fenrir was going to attack her but hermione stopped him in time.

I think that, like Fleur, Lavender is a character who has grown a lot over the recent books. To see her fighting alongside the rest of Dumbledore's Army was very gratifying. She seemed to be very girly (I'm not saying that that's a bad thing! :D) in the earlier books and I would have expected her not to want to join the battle for fear that she would break a nail. It was good to see her show that she really is loyal to Harry and to the DA.

Our girl Lavender; I loved her in this book. What she did took real guts: staying behind to fight.

I do remember though, that in one of the earlier books, she remained behind with the trio and some others to fight off some of Hagrid's beasts. I hope she lived, poor Lavender.

I think DH proved why Lavender was in Gryffindor.

I kinda get the impression that Lavender has been hesitant to show courage, maybe that is an oxymoron. I think she likes being girly and likes to be treated like one, if that sounds right.

I would like Jo to tell us what happened to Lavender after the Fenrir attack.

All through the series I saw her as kind of a Paris Hilton type of person, and can't see that she changed in any way. She stayed to fight simply because everyone else was, and probabley developed a crush on Neville because he wagiving off the "bad boy type" of image according to the authotity

I think Lavender was plainly just used. Ron never liked her, did he? He was just using her to get back at them all for calling him frigid (Not in those words though...)

I felt sorry for her, because I think she was genuinely interested in Ron, and if Ginny hadn't of said what she had, he wouldn't have given her a second glance.

All through the series I saw her as kind of a Paris Hilton type of person, and can't see that she changed in any way. She stayed to fight simply because everyone else was, and probabley developed a crush on Neville because he wagiving off the "bad boy type" of image according to the authotity

I think that this a bit unfair to Lavender, she might have been a bit of a gossip but she wasn't stupid (no pun intended at Paris Hilton). Lavender was just the typical teenage girl of which there are thousands, interested in teenage things. But she did have the courage to join the DA, even though her parents had probably forbidden her to associate with Harry Potter and co. That took a lot of guts and she didn't run away, if she was an airhead that only cared for girly things she wouldn't have stayed away from the battle.

I was surprised, frankly, to see Lavendar mentioned at the closing of DH - for her to come back and fight for Hogwarts shows she had more in her than I suspected all along. I guess everyone who was in Gryffindor really was courageous although a lot of them didn't show it in the first 5 or 6 books - it is true that great trials and tribulation separate the wheat from the chaff - turns out Lavendar was golden wheat. Good for her.

I was surprised, frankly, to see Lavendar mentioned at the closing of DH - for her to come back and fight for Hogwarts shows she had more in her than I suspected all along. I guess everyone who was in Gryffindor really was courageous although a lot of them didn't show it in the first 5 or 6 books - it is true that great trials and tribulation separate the wheat from the chaff - turns out Lavendar was golden wheat. Good for her.

It also shows how brutal wars and such difficult times bring out in people their best or their worst! (Didn't Sirius say something like that in GoF?)

It brought out the best in Lavender(and also all the Hogwartians who fought in the last battle) and I think it'll be good for her...to believe in herself...that she can be a "hero" too!:rockon:

I think the battle brought out her best, but I'm not so sure what the future holds for her. Greyback got her and we don't know if he killed her or contaminated her. She was moving - a bit, so I'd give her 75% chance of being alive. If she is alive, she probably has scratches all over her face - and she was known as the "pretty girl" how will that affect her?

Yes, Ron did use her - and I felt sorry for her. I know what that feels like and he was being a jerk to her.

All through the series I saw her as kind of a Paris Hilton type of person, and can't see that she changed in any way. She stayed to fight simply because everyone else was, and probabley developed a crush on Neville because he wagiving off the "bad boy type" of image according to the authotity


To be fair, Lavendar was always brave in her own way. As someone else mentioned, in GOF she was one of the few to stay and fight the blast ended skrewt. Most students ran into Hargrid's hut (including most Gryffindors, like Dean Thomas) she wasn't just following the crowd. And she got her robes burnt. Something that would be a deal breaker for a real Paris Hilton type. She still fought. She also joined the DA.

And she fell for Ron. She could have gone for Harry or someone else more glamorous. But she fell for the "sidekick". I do think she looks beyond what is perceived as cool and follows her own convictions.

Its just that we are comparing her to impossible standards. SHe is a fairly typical school girl. But next to someone like Hermione she will always come off poorly.

I like Lavender. Always did. I don't think Ron ever sat down and thought "You know what would show Hermione..." I think he was hurt and got caught up. But I did feel bad for her. She got a raw deal in the sixth book.

All through the series I saw her as kind of a Paris Hilton type of person, and can't see that she changed in any way. She stayed to fight simply because everyone else was, and probabley developed a crush on Neville because he wagiving off the "bad boy type" of image according to the authotity



Aw, now that's not really fair to compare her to Paris Hilton, she is a Gryffindor after all, even though a little flighty, she's a brave girl. Yes, her and her Parvati were self absorbed at times, but their hearts are in the right place. They joined the DA, and the both stayed behind to fight did they not? And yes, Lavender was one of a the few who helped round up the blast-ended screwts. Even though she would probably have ruined her hair, nails and gotten burns all over. She still stayed. Despite her not being the biggest Hagrid fan, she was not heartless.

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Study questions[LIST]
Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. ;) Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender? No. I think Trewlaney says this because Lavender (along with her friend, Parvati) is someone who enjoys the class. Not many do, so Trewlaney draws herself to the ones that do.
In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio? I think for the moment her heart was broken, but she'll get over it quickly. She comes off as a girl who wants a boyfriend, rather than a soulmate. Once she gets to the next guy she's over Ron. No offense to Ron, that's just who she is. It will affect her future interactions with the trio. She won't hate them for she's not heartbroken anymore over the breakup, but if she doesn't have to interact with them, she won't.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
She just may have been saying that because Lavender was one of the few people who showed a real interest in Divination. But it's possible she may have had some measure of talent in the subject.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
I don't think so...

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
I'm not sure we know her well enough to decide. She may have just wanted to be popular/do what the popular people were doing, or she may really have had a change of heart. Or she may have just joined to stand up to Umbridge. I'm not really sure.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I think Ron may have broken her heart, but I also think she'll get over it and find someone else eventually. I'm sure she likely didn't want to have that many interactions with the trio because it would have been too awkward to face Ron and his friends after their break-up.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
Since there are more people of half-blood and muggle-born descent than pureblood descent I'd go with either half-blood or muggle-born. But all in all I don't think this is/will be of any importance.

I think the battle brought out her best, but I'm not so sure what the future holds for her. Greyback got her and we don't know if he killed her or contaminated her. She was moving - a bit, so I'd give her 75% chance of being alive. If she is alive, she probably has scratches all over her face - and she was known as the "pretty girl" how will that affect her?

Yes, Ron did use her - and I felt sorry for her. I know what that feels like and he was being a jerk to her.


I really don't remember Greyback attacking her or any mention of her to be honest - I think I need to re-read DH lol :]

I think Lavender was plainly just used. Ron never liked her, did he? He was just using her to get back at them all for calling him frigid (Not in those words though...)

I felt sorry for her, because I think she was genuinely interested in Ron, and if Ginny hadn't of said what she had, he wouldn't have given her a second glance.

I think this is a bit of an overstatement! Yes, I think she probably was genuinely interested in Ron, and she did pursue him for most of HBP. But he did react to her earlier than the point where they got together - I seem to remember that when she laughed at him playing with the Fanged Frisbee he looked pleased and strutted a bit. He was flattered by her interest. But I agree that without Ginny's jibing he probably wouldn't have got together with her. I don't think he was using her to get at Hermione or Ginny, but wanted to feel that someone was interested in him.

Anyway, back to Lavender! In the early books I couldn't see why she was in Gryffindor as she seemed very wet and girly in the most irritating way. But she certainly had hidden depths and showed she was a true Gryffindor when she joined the DA and fought in the last battle. I think she probably then reverted to being like she was before though - she can pull it out of the hat when she needs to but in general prefers to be frilly.

I hope someone asks JKR what happened when Greyback attacked her - I'm sure she lived but I can't imagine a girly werewolf!

Perhaps I need to reread HBP, my analisses of describling Lavender as a "Paris Hilton Type" may have been wrong, I apologize for those I my have offended, I may have missed something in reading it.

Anyway, back to Lavender! In the early books I couldn't see why she was in Gryffindor as she seemed very wet and girly in the most irritating way. But she certainly had hidden depths and showed she was a true Gryffindor when she joined the DA and fought in the last battle. I think she probably then reverted to being like she was before though - she can pull it out of the hat when she needs to but in general prefers to be frilly.

I agree, I think she is a girl with an extravagant disposition who expresses her emotions in a loud way, but she has her heart in the right place.


I hope someone asks JKR what happened when Greyback attacked her - I'm sure she lived but I can't imagine a girly werewolf!

I think that she would be like Bill, since Fenrir wasn't changed, if she was really bitten during Fenrir's attack, she would have the same sort of scarring as Bill.

Perhaps I need to reread HBP, my analisses of describling Lavender as a "Paris Hilton Type" may have been wrong, I apologize for those I my have offended, I may have missed something in reading it.

Nah she can be quite an airhead at times, in that sense she is a bit like Paris Hilton :)

I was wondering that when they go into the room of requirement at hogwarts and lavender says something, i cant remember what, but i was wondering if it was awkward for her and ron especially, but for all of the trio.

Even though it was funny when in HBP Harry was walking out of the commonroom with amortentia-stoned Ron and they passed her (is the scene clear yet? can't remember dialog)... It really really made me cringe, I felt horrible for Lavender. I think we are in no place to say that she wasn't crazy about Ron... sure I'm sure she rather cherished the attention and status that came with, but Lavender is no shallow git; Hermione's condescension proves nothing of Lavender's morality. She is in Gryffindor. She is brave. She isn't the pointiest wand in the shop. I never harbored ill feelings for her. Parvati is cool, and she's friends with Lavender. Isn't it interesting how you can tell the author's character preferences but there isn't any concrete as to why everyone should have them? As in, JKR doesn't like Lavender. But she knows that that doesn't mean we won't.

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Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

I always thought that Trelawney said this to encourage Lavender and Parvati to warm up to Divination even more. The two seemed to be the only students to actually have an interest in Divination. Perhaps Lavender did have a gift with Divination - when you like a subject more, you tend to be better at it.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

I'm not sure...

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

I think that she changed her mind after the interview with the Quibbler and began piecing the story together to finally come out with the right conclusion. In the beginning, she was just going along with the crowd and believing the Daily Prophet.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

Yes, I think at the time he broke her heart. She adored him. But I think she soon got over it and moved onto someone else.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

I think she was probably a half-blood, but that's complete specualtion on my part.

As for Fenrir's attack on Lavender, I'm pretty sure she came out of it alright. I think she'd find it really tough to be a kind of werewolf, like Bill. She took pride in her appearance and it would definitely be a downer on her confidence. I hope that Hermione got there just in time.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. ;) Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
I don't think so. Trelawney mostly wanted to encourage her and Pavarti to keep taking her class because there weren't many who really enjoyed it, but they did. Maybe Lavendar did have talent for Divination, and I do think she remembered most of the symbols and omens and that kind of thing, but as for being a true seer, I don't think so.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
I don't really know.....

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
I think it was Umbridge. Umbridge was part of the Ministry, and after seeing what she was like, I think she realized that the Ministry was wrong and that they were doing bad things. I think she also thought it was brave how Harry

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I definitely think Ron broke her heart, but I think she got over it. it was "mostly just snogging", so in time, she probably just got over it or found someone else. I think it's going to make future interactions with the trio a bit uncomfortable, but it probably won't be too bad.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
I thought she was a Muggleborn. i don't really know why, but i just thought so. During the Battle of Hogwarts, did she go to fight or was she already at hogwarts? because if she already was, she couldn't be muggleborn, or maybe she could be if a wizarding family found a way to protect her and tell death eaters they were related.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

I doubt it. I was under the impression that she was encouraging them to take the class. But then, would Trelawney have recognized talent when she saw it? She may have seen that Lavender and Parvarti were interested and that they remembered the meanings of symbols and such really well. But actual talent? Probably not.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

Good question. Well, I googled the symbolism behind the color lavender. Lavender typically represents grace, refinement, romance, and above all: femininity. The feminine aspect definitely fits Lavender. She is extremely girly, and clearly a romantic. Perhaps as she grew older she would grow into the grace and refinement?

The flower, lavender, represents purity or luck. I'm not sure how that comes in. :hmm:

Brown represents wholesomeness, friendliness, honesty and warmth. As I've never seen Lavender as mean spirited or a liar, the last three at least would seem to apply to her as well.

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

I believe she did changer her mind. I think that she may have changed her mind after the showdown with Hermione. Or maybe seeing Harry stand up to Umbridge changed her mind. Perhaps she began to realize that something wasn't right with what Fudge was saying. Or maybe Parvarti influenced her. We can't say for sure what changed her mind, but I think she did genuinely believe Harry.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

I think he did break her heart. But she clearly got over it by the end of DH. The war seemed to have that affect on several people. By the end, there was no awkwardness between Lavender and either Ron or Hermione.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

I thought she was muggle-born for awhile, but I'm not sure. I don't think it really matters what she was.

As for Fenrir's attack on Lavender, I'm pretty sure she came out of it alright. I think she'd find it really tough to be a kind of werewolf, like Bill. She took pride in her appearance and it would definitely be a downer on her confidence. I hope that Hermione got there just in time.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

I really don't think so. She and Parvati seemed to be good at it, yes, but they were also the only ones who really enjoyed it. I think that their so called talent comes from the fact of their love of the subject and also their belief that Trelawney was a true Seer all the time. I think the main reason that Lavender put effort into the subject and made it like she had a real talent for it was because she beleived it was possible, what with her rabbit's death and all.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

Hmm, I'm interested of checking this now. I'm just going to check on google. Well, I couldn't really find much of importance when I searched the name but then I decided to do a general meaning search to it and it came up that the colour means grace, elegance, and something special as well as being the colour of femininity. I think this actually fits Lavender, as we know she is quite girly and feminine.

It also means 'to wash' but I find that irrevelant :p

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

I think she changed her mind after their first DADA class and after she noticed that Harry's version made more sense than the ministry made it out to be. It is possible Parvati or Hermione helped change her mind as well.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

I really do, she seemed to have been develloping a crush on Ron since the beginning of the book and seemed to take their relationship seriously although as Harry put it, they mostly just snogged. Everytime she saw Ron alone with Hermione, she felt jelousy; probably as it was obvious that there was well, tension between them :lol: and she possibly thought that was why Ron had broken up with her; having burst into tears when Ron brushed what I think was fake snow from Hermione's shoulder. And I don't think she would have sent Ron that necklace if she wasn't serious about being Ron's girlfriend. I think she got over it though, and found someone else who probably appreciated her more than ol' won-won.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

I always thought she was half-blood...I don't really know why but I don't think of Brown as one of those pureblood names. But Jo did have Lavender written down as pureblood in her notebook of Harry's classmates.

I kind of felt sorry for Lavender...First the whole Ron incident, and its obvious that she really cared for him, but he doesn't return her affections, and she realizes this, and does the noble thing to do and lets him go to Hermione. Then in DH Fenrir Greyback rips her apart and weren't not sure if she lived...but its brave that she stayed to fight.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
She might have been, but then again you never know. She might have been just trying to make Lavender happy so that she would stay in class. I've noticed in the books that not all students (practicly none) liked Divination at all. A lot of them thought it was just a big joke.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
Well Lavender is peaceful and relaxing and Lavender Brown can be quite a handful and isn't always quite peaceful as we saw in HBP. She was very upset with Ron when she saw him with Hermione again and when he started saying that he liked Romilda.

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
I don't know. It had to have been peer pressure because I can't think of anything that would have changed her mind.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
Yes! I don't believe she had any. But of course I haven't read DH in a while so I have probally forgotten if there were anymore interactions.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
For some non-apparent reason, I believe Lavender to be a half-blood. No it isn't of any importance.

Idk why, but i never liked Lavender much. Seeing as i was always a Hermione fan, even if Ron was being a down right prat in HBP, i didn't like that little conflict... haha

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

Well, possible. When she dated Ron she seemed like just a clingy girlfriend. Maybe she foresaw a conflict with Hermione and that led to her paranoia to Ron hanging with Hermione. It's probably isn't though becuase if that was the case she would have known her and Ron weren't meant to be. :p

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

Well, she's an incredibly girly teenager, and probably will always be very girly and flowery. :rolleyes:


In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

Hmm...Well, lavender seems like the kind that likes to hear gossip and probably believed it at first...I think she later realized it wasn't true. Sorry if I'm not remembering right, but in book 4 she went to the ball with Seamous (I think), so maybe that was an indicator those two were going out, and in book 5 Seamous was breifly mad at harry, so Lavender could have just gave into the rumors due to that...then when seamous let go of the conflict, she stopped listening to the prophet...so that would be the peer pressure possibly. :shrug:

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I think 1/2 and 1/2...Ron probanbly did break her heart, but she also seemed to slowly realize thier relaionship was never going to last, no matter how hard she tried to make it. In DH she semmed to have recouped a bit. :shrug:

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

Ummm...I don't think his would have affected anything, but I got the impression she was half-blood.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

I think Trelawny was being encouraging with Lavender since she showed such interest with the art. Whether or not that Lavender had the gift I dont think we can be sure. I imagine that the having at least the drive to learn more about this subject made her an above average student.


Does her name tell us anything about her character?






In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

I think she changed her mind, after all she is a Gryffindor so much be made of tougher stuff than she presents.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

Well we can't know for sure if Ron was her first boyfriend but if he was Im sure she's a little bitter about it. Ron didnt exactly handle the breakup very well. I think she would be a little bitter but it wasnt that long after the breakup the war really took off so I think she didnt have enough time to dwell on a broken heart.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

I dont think we know and I really dont think it matters. She's not that important of a character. Shes most likely muggle friendly and when we really get introduced to her she's far enough in her studies that she's in stride with purebloods if the case is she's muggleborn.

I think that the reason that Lavender believed the lies about Harry in OOTP, but later she joined the DA, is because she changed her mind and believed Harry about Voldemort being back. I don't think that shes the kind of girl that would give into peer pressure.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

Yes, I think it dose, because lavender is a light purple color, wich I think is close to pink, and pink is a very girly color.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, I actually like the color pink! :lol:

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

Knowing Trelwaney, that probably wasnt the case:rolleyes: and she said that just to encourage Lavender, who showed some interest in Divination. Though it is possible that Lavender had a flair for Divination.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

Erm..no:lol: Atleast, not to me...

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

Peer pressure may have played a part, but she was a brave girl too, I mean she did get sorted to Gryffindor and fought in the Battle of Hogwarts. I'm sure she wanted to learn DADA better and that was perhaps why she changed her mind.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

He probably broke her heart but I'm sure she got over it. She may be a bit cold towards Hermione , but surely I think it will die out as time goes by:)

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

I dont think this is of any importance. To me it doesnt matter if she was pure-blood ,muggle or half-blood. From a literary point of view, her most important role was to get Hermione jealous and thereby get Ron and Hermione together

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. ;) Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

I don't think so, Trelawney never remembered, nor was she aware of her true predictions. When conscious and trying, her inner eye was clouded. I think she was trying to encourage a student she saw was enthusiastic. Maybe Lavender did have the Inner Eye, we don't really know, but I don't think Trelawney was being truly earnest when she told Lavender this.


Does her name tell us anything about her character?

I don't think so, unless the colour, lavender is meant to let us know that Lav-Lav is quite girly.


In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?


Lavender, like many others, believed what she had been fed all summer -that Harry and Dumbledore were either mad or stirring up trouble. However, I think that she, like many others, quickly saw the way old Dolly Umbridge was operating and began to question what she had been told. She was ready to rebel and train by joining the DA. She was also ready to fight in DH, when given the option to flee. I think she can in that way be compared to Hermione. In an interview, (not sure which one, sorry)JKR said something like Hermione fought because it was the right thing to do, but it wasn't where her interests truly were, so she didn't become an Auror like Harry and Ron. By the same token, I think Lavender fought because it was the right thing to do, she wouldn't turn tail when trouble was right on her doorstep. But aside from the battle, I think she would prefer a much more girly, feminine lifestyle - her career wouldn't involve duelling and fighting on a regular basis.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

I found it interesting that Lavender only started to pay attention to Ron after the escapade at the Ministry. Perhaps it brought someone to her attention she'd previuously let under her radar, or was impressed by what he'd done. On the other hand, I think she really cared for Ron. More than he did for her at any rate. To make a terrible generalisation, often teenage girls invest more emotionally in a relationship than teenage boys and that was the case here. So yeah, I think she got her heart broken by Ron, but I also think she got over it before long.


We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?[/LIST]
As she attended Hogwarts in DH, I think we should assume she was either half-blood or pure-blood.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
She just may have been saying that because Lavender was one of the few people who showed a real interest in Divination. But it's possible she may have had some measure of talent in the subject.

That's what I was actually thinking too. :agree: Teachers tend to pay a bit more attention to those who look (and act) genuinely interested in their subject. So Trelawny may have picked up on this, and decided to compliment her in a sense for her interest, just so she can keep this interested student in her class.

As for her first believing the Daily Prophet, and then later joining DA, I suppose it might have been a similar thing that Seamus had: peer pressure from parents or such (provided at least one was a witch/wizard, and got the Daily Prophet), and perhaps other friends too. But when she heard about, and even saw, Harry's true talents, she thought differently. Perhaps The Quibbler made a difference too (like with Seamus).

All through the series I saw her as kind of a Paris Hilton type of person, and can't see that she changed in any way. She stayed to fight simply because everyone else was, and probabley developed a crush on Neville because he wagiving off the "bad boy type" of image according to the authotity

Hmm, I agree.
She's a bit of a bimbo; she frequently succumbs to peer pressure and seems to be influenced by what is 'popular' or 'cool' rather than what she truly enjoys.
For example, she only became interested in Ron after he was seen as cool for playing Quidditch.

However, I have to cut her some slack. 99.9% of teenage girls are like this at some point in their lives!

She was treated poorly by Ron, and I think she would be quite stiff around him, and of course she would envy or at least have something against Hermione. I can see her trying to hang onto Harry after he defeated Voldemort! Oh, that could be a great storyline! Ginny vs. Lavender.

As for her first believing the Daily Prophet, and then later joining DA, I suppose it might have been a similar thing that Seamus had: peer pressure from parents or such (provided at least one was a witch/wizard, and got the Daily Prophet), and perhaps other friends too. But when she heard about, and even saw, Harry's true talents, she thought differently. Perhaps The Quibbler made a difference too (like with Seamus).


To be fair, Lavender did join the DA from the beginning, so it wasn't the Quibbler that convinced her. Perhaps she was convinced by Umbridges' behaviour (it was clear from the beginning she was an oppressive force, a Ministry insider) and maybe by Harry's confrontations with her in class.

[QUOTE=stellathemuggle;5177237]Hmm, I agree.
She's a bit of a bimbo; she frequently succumbs to peer pressure and seems to be influenced by what is 'popular' or 'cool' rather than what she truly enjoys.
For example, she only became interested in Ron after he was seen as cool for playing Quidditch.

However, I have to cut her some slack. 99.9% of teenage girls are like this at some point in their lives!

I agree, Lavender may seem a little bit shallow, but I think you're right, a lot of teenage girls are like that at some stage. Her behaviour only seems more so in comparison to the likes of an intelligent girl who only puts huge effort into her appearance for important occasions (Hermione) and a rebel tomboy (Ginny). I don't think it's entirely fair to call her a bimbo or dim, though, she was among those who stayed to fight, when given the option to flee. Even more so, when to be precise, the instructions from McGonagall were to flee, with the optioin to stay and fight. That is a huge redeeming feature, for anyone, imo.


She was treated poorly by Ron, and I think she would be quite stiff around him, and of course she would envy or at least have something against Hermione. I can see her trying to hang onto Harry after he defeated Voldemort! Oh, that could be a great storyline! Ginny vs. Lavender.

I somehow don't see Lavender pursuing Harry on account of his achievements - she pursued Ron, not Harry in the wake of the events in the Ministry. Plus, I imagine that like many others, Lavender matured a lot in the year the Carrows were running the school.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
haha, i think the only reason trelawney said that is because Lavender was one of the only students to show the slightest bit of interest in the subject.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
umm i wouldn't think so...

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
I think maybe she is the type of person who follows other people's opinions rather than forming her own, so she was easily swayed by the daily prophet. However, i think she joined the DA because she was convinced by the first meeting when harry talked to them all (i think she was at the first meeting? i havent read ootp in a while) if it weren't for the daily prophet she wouldn't have needed convincing to join the DA.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I dunno, i think she might've hurt for while, but got over it eventually.

I think if Fenrir's attack did have an effect of her then it could have been good for her in a way. Maybe make her mature a bit and be less vain

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. ;) Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

Its difficult to tell as we never saw her make any predictions. What we do know is that Trelawney was a bit 'iffy' when it came to her predictions. So, my opinion is that Trelawney possibly did see true seer potential in Lavender, but weither or not she truely has the seer gene, I couldnt say. But I do believe that Trelawney thought she had a real talent. If Trelawney isn't a 'right old fraud', then there is no reason to believe that Lavender wouldnt have the talent...

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
Well, I do tend to associate Lavender with girly-ness. But Im not very good with the meaning of names...

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

I hadnt noticed that she beileved the lies, then joined the DA. I think she probably just realised that it was a load of rubbish, and that anyone - let alone Harry - would make something like that up. Or maybe... She started to fancy Ron... I'd join up if the person I fancied was involved! ;)

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

I do think that Ron broke her heart to an extent. But not massively. Im sure at the time she was devistated, and cried and wished she was still with him etc, but over time (and probably not that much time) she would have realised that it wasnt really the big love she had imagined it to be. Girls of that age will always think its the end of the world. I had my first boyfriend at 15 and cried and cried when he broke up with me, then I realised that I didnt actually like him that much anyway! As for her interactions with the trio, I think by the time she sees them after Ron and Hermione get together, she would have been over it and I'm sure they would just go back to how they were. They werent exactly close anyway - they got on etc but they werent like proper friends.


We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

Hmm.. I'm not too sure about her blood status. I have a feeling that she isnt a pure blood though. Im not too sure why. However, I dont think its of any importance - other wise, it would have been mentioned in the book. She was always just a back round character - up until she became Ron's girlfriend - so I really dont think it matters either way.

I always had the feeling she had grown up aroung wizards, even if it was only one side of her family. She was almost always mentioned when the "Voldemort Gasp" took place. If you notice, it is mostly non-Muggle-borns who react the worst, and I think because, for them it is a huge thing, meanwhile Muggle-borns react but not as fiercly. Lavender usually screams a bit, so I think she is at least a half-and-half, but, does it realy matter?

I really don't think it matters much one way or the other what Lavender's blood status is, though I always assume for some reason she's a Pureblood.

Personally, I find her quite a bit annoying, with her cloying attachment to Ron, but at the same time, I feel sorry for her, because, consciously or not, Ron took up with her to make Hermione jealous, after he saw her with Viktor and realized that he himself wanted her.

I agree, I believe that Lavendar's blood status is irrelevant. What really matters is the way she acts: annoying.
I think that Rowling used her as a way for reader's to love the idea of Hermione and Ron even more: Hermione is way better for Ron that Lav-Lav ever was.

Perhaps in time she will have calmed down and met some nice guy ;)

Perhaps in time she will have calmed down and met some nice guy ;)

I have to admit, I wish JKR had told us what became of Lavender. I can't imagine what sort of career she was heading for - fortune telling maybe? Although I formed the impression she liked Divination because she admired the teachers rather than that she liked the subject. Perhaps both.

^ I think that I remember from the third year exams that she was actually "good" at divination (or a good liar). But then, a career in divination most likely just requires acting and guesswork, unless she is a true Seer, which I doubt. I think she has a good future as a fraud, like Trelawney, who may occasionally pull a real prophecy out of thin (or in Trelawney's case, very thick) air.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
Trelawney's currently shooting two for thousands - what are the chances she's right on this one? She probably said that cause Lav-Lav saw something at all.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
Is it supposed to? Lavender Brown seems like a fairly normal girls name to me.

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
Maybe she went through something like Seamus - when she heard Harry's side of the story, she realised he was telling the truth.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I think Ron (sorry, Won-Won) definitely hurt her, but seeing her fighting in the battle of Hogwarts was a sign that it probably didn't kill her. I'm sure she treated it like most girls handle breakups - badly at first, but time and possibly a new boyfriend fixes most things. While she probably isn't very close to the trio, I can imagine that she's at least on first-name terms with Hermione and Harry. Maybe not so much with Won-Won.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
Given that she has a fairly conventional Muggle name, I'm gonna guess she's probably Muggle-born. Maybe that's partly what motivated her to stay and fight - she realised the danger she was in and that her only hope was to fend for herself.

I don't think Lavender's character mattered at all. She was just as these boys Ginny dated before Harry. Somebody without any real importance, a silly girl you take and you throw away.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

I think Lavender as well as pavarti found the subject of divination interesting because of their characteristics as being teenage “silly” girls, I know at that age, and even today I find (astrology, palm reading, ect) very interesting, although I do take the information with a grain of salt and don’t look too much into things. I think divination is a subject that would give answers to questions that people seek even if they are not based on concrete facts, because its still an answer. Therefore, in my opinion lavender found this subject to be especially interesting because she was able to find answers to questions in her life, that she would not be able to find anywhere else.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

As mentioned in the lexicon, “in flower symbolism lavender symbolizes affection; cleansing; or concealment” I think lavenders name suited her because she definitely showed affection to Ron in HBP so much affection that it could be considered borderline obsession. I also think Cleansing fits her because Ron as a way to cleanse his anger towards Hermione used lavender, he might of done it unknowingly, but I think he needed to prove that he was able to kiss someone else and be with someone else (like he thought Hermione did). Therefore cleansed himself from having some sort of resentment against Hermione in the future, since in the end they would both be even (since they both had kissed someone else before they kissed each other).

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

I think she was in Gryffindor for a reason. I think she must of found evidence that allowed her to believe that Harry was saying the truth, and therefore, joined the D.A. This was true for other characters that at first did not believe harry, but later joined the D.A. like Seamus who was the biggest skeptic of them all.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness, she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

I think in HBP, Lavenders relationship with Ron was used to highlight the differences between lavender and Hermione. We see how “silly” lavender is compared to Hermione and we also see that ron and Lavenders relationship which was based on physical attraction versus a relationship based on friendship did not work. I think at the end of the day, Lavender knew that Hermione liked Ron, and so therefore she knew what she was getting into. Not that it kept her from getting her heart broken, but I think she must of seen it coming (especially if she possessed the inner eye).

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?

I don’t think theres any importance to her blood status, in the end she stood up for the rights of muggle borns by fighting against voldemort

Was it confirmed that she was attacked? I always got the impression that Hermione knocked Fenrir back before he could do anything to Lavender.

I hope she didn't die. She was a tad annoying in HBP, but I always liked her and was especially impressed with her for staying behind to fight in DH.

I agree, I believe that Lavendar's blood status is irrelevant. What really matters is the way she acts: annoying.

I think that's a bit harsh; did she really do anything wrong? All she did was try to show her affection for Ron. Perhaps she didn't go around showing it in a way that others would like, (ie. the necklace) but she tried. And that's a lot more than Ron can say. Lavender was just acting like a normal teenage girl with her first boyfriend. I've always felt bad for her, and I'm sure that Ron dumping her broke her heart-at least, for a while.

I think that's a bit harsh; did she really do anything wrong? All she did was try to show her affection for Ron. Perhaps she didn't go around showing it in a way that others would like, (ie. the necklace) but she tried. And that's a lot more than Ron can say. Lavender was just acting like a normal teenage girl with her first boyfriend. I've always felt bad for her, and I'm sure that Ron dumping her broke her heart-at least, for a while.

I never got the impression that Ron was Lavender's first boyfriend. It was never mentioned in the books mainly because it wasn't important but i think Lavender is the type who would have dated quite a few guys by 6th year, she probably started dating in 3rd or 4th year.

She will have to learn however not to be so needy as that is always a huge turn off for most guys. Plus she seemed to define herself by who she was currently dating which isn't exactly the most healthy thing to do.

Plus she seemed to define herself by who she was currently dating which isn't exactly the most healthy thing to do.

That is something many teenage girls do; I am sure Lavender is not the only one that did that. She was young, and I'm sure as she grew older she grew out of that. I don't think that the only value she had as a character was the "crazy, annoying, girlfriend."

I see Lavender as a victim of Ron's personal problems. He dates her because he want to show Hermione, and everybody, thet he can get a girlfriend. And when he doesn't need her anymore, he breaks with her. Maybe she was "silly and stupid", but didn't he know it from the beginning? And, honestly, she wasn't far more stupid than other girls, Hermione included.

I see Lavender as a victim of Ron's personal problems. He dates her because he want to show Hermione, and everybody, thet he can get a girlfriend. And when he doesn't need her anymore, he breaks with her. Maybe she was "silly and stupid", but didn't he know it from the beginning? And, honestly, she wasn't far more stupid than other girls, Hermione included.

Actually Ron doesn't break up with her. Still a month into the relationship Lavender should have seen that Ron was not as in to her as she was him and broken up with him. If a guy loses interest after only a few weeks it isn't a good sign.

I thought that her contribution to HBP was excellent; it gave us insight into Ron's mind in the sense that we could possibly see his attitude towards girls, and it also highlighted his feelings for Hermione. Without the Lavender sub-plot, Hermione would not have become jealous, and Ron may not have had the confidence to show her his feelings.
As to her potential careers, I can see her as actually moving away from the Divination area; I think that she is a strong personality and would not necessarily go with the 'wooly' (as Hermione put it) future...I could see her as a journalist for Witch Weekly or something similiar.

I see Lavender as a victim of Ron's personal problems. He dates her because he want to show Hermione, and everybody, thet he can get a girlfriend. And when he doesn't need her anymore, he breaks with her. Maybe she was "silly and stupid", but didn't he know it from the beginning? And, honestly, she wasn't far more stupid than other girls, Hermione included.

I agree with this 100%

I've also always thought of Lavender as the most like regular girls- girls I would know. She's very relatable, I think. There aren't very many people who have a Dark Wizard after their lives, or have 6 brothers and sisters, or are insanely super smart. There are, however, plenty of people who are easily swayed by popular opinion, and who can come back and fight for her friends, even when they don't treat her as well as they should. Lavender coming back to the Battle of Hogwarts... I think that shows some inner maturity and bravery in her. She's not just the stupid little girl that Ron used to make Hermione jealous....she's a woman. A woman who can fight for what she believes in and make a difference in the world.

She's very relatable, I think. There aren't very many people who have a Dark Wizard after their lives, or have 6 brothers and sisters, or are insanely super smart. There are, however, plenty of people who are easily swayed by popular opinion, and who can come back and fight for her friends, even when they don't treat her as well as they should.

This is an excellent point. It's a very apt description of Lavender, too. She's not a heroine but she illustrates very well that everyone has a bit of a coward and a bit of a hero in himself/herself.

This is an excellent point. It's a very apt description of Lavender, too. She's not a heroine but she illustrates very well that everyone has a bit of a coward and a bit of a hero in himself/herself.

Lavender certainly isn't a bad person and in Deathly Hallows she proved why she was a Gryffindor but in saying that i still know why Ron and Lavender didn't work out because as a girlfriend she was very irritating and needy.

Lavender certainly isn't a bad person and in Deathly Hallows she proved why she was a Gryffindor but in saying that i still know why Ron and Lavender didn't work out because as a girlfriend she was very irritating and needy.

And as a boyfriend, Ron was cold and was using her to make Hermione jealous- I don't think Lavender was the only problem in that relationship.

I think Ron was using her more to get past his own insecurities than anything, although he definitely was making Hermione jealous at the same time.

It was just a relationsihp built on terrible ideas..

1. Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender? I think she maybe used it to keep Lavender quiet. Lavender seemed too flighty to be a Seer.
2. Does her name tell us anything about her character? No, not really.
3. In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? She liked being the center of attention and where the popular crowd was. Practically the onlyStudents who didn't join were Slytherins and kids who were "too young". Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?Peer pressure, the being in this "really cool club" made her change her mind.
4. In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart?If Ron broke her heart, it was probably only for a few weeks at the most. Because I don't see her remaining "single" for too long. How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?Cut her off cold Turkey from the Trio. As long as Hermione was in the picture, Lavender avoided them at all costs.
5. We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?I don't think she was a Pure-blood because whyshe even be associated with someone like Ron whose best Friends Half Blood and Muggle Born. So I think she may have been a Half Blood.

Lavender certainly isn't a bad person and in Deathly Hallows she proved why she was a Gryffindor but in saying that i still know why Ron and Lavender didn't work out because as a girlfriend she was very irritating and needy.

There was also the suggestion that Lavender only became interested in Ron after the events at the Ministry, and his success at Quidditch. Her idea that he was "interesting" after he had been poisoned would seem to be a prt of this, too, IMO.

[/COLOR]Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?Peer pressure, the being in this "really cool club" made her change her mind.

While Lavender and Parvati are portrayed as the stereotypical shallow girls, I think that they did come to realise that this wasn't all about popularity. I think seeing what Umbridge was like opened a lot of students' eyes, along with the mass breakout. These things got them to question the official Ministry line.

5. We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?[COLOR="#ff00ff"]I don't think she was a Pure-blood because whyshe even be associated with someone like Ron whose best Friends Half Blood and Muggle Born. So I think she may have been a Half Blood.

I don't see why that would suggest she wasn't pureblood. We see the Weasleys, Neville, Ernie McMillan having non-pureblood friends, and it isn't an issue for them. I don't think it would be an issue for Lavender, either. Especially as she was one of the students who had to hide out from the Carrows in DH. Friendship with halfbloods, Muggleborns, or "blood traitors" was only an issue for the blood supremacists.

can someone tell me what page of D.H that Lavender was attacked?

I think Lavender did in fact survive. It would be nice to hear what happened to her afterwards though.

Coming from someone who deals with teenagers every day, I think Lavender was actually a very realistic portrayal of a teenage girl.

I think she is very much the kind of girl that is very conscious of what other people say, do, and think. I believe peer pressure and popularity had a big part in a lot of her actions. She was very silly, but I never got the feeling she was dumb.

I don't think Ron truly broke her heart because she was not in love with Ron. Ron and Lavender's relationship was, I think, a very realistic portrayal of how two people end up as a couple in high school. We never really know why Ron catches her eye (one can presume it's on looks) and we never really know why exactly Ron chooses to go out with her for so long (looks, status, make Hermione jealous). It's not two people who deeply care about each other in a real way. I think she cared about and liked Ron because she liked the idea of Ron as her boyfriend more than anything else. I think by the time Lavender returned to Hogwarts Ron was probably a distant memory. I think It's a typical high school relationship in that context about two people who just kind of "happen" together simply 'cos it works and is convenient.

The fact that Lavender stays and fights in the Battle of Hogwarts is always one of my favorite little touches in the series. Here was this person that you never gave much credit to and she suffers a horrible fate for standing up and doing the right thing. She wasn't off finding horcruxes or anything, but it was more of the common man's bravery. I like to think that Hermione saved Lavender from Greyback in time and that she survived.

I always really enjoyed Lavender as a character (if you couldn't tell) and am glad to see she has her own thread!

I believe she is a very realistic portrayal of teenangers. Lavender seems to regard being interested in boys, clothes (most likely) and feelings as a part of being a teenange girl. And she works very much on that part of her! However I don't have the impression she is fool, at least not the kind of fook Crabbe and Goyle are. Just a little silly, and a bit of short perspectives.

I don't think she joined the DA because all the popular people did. I think she was not that much convinced Harry was lying in first place, she just let the majority of the people take her in this. Later she thought better and realized Harry was not lying, of perhaps she was convinced by Harry's speech in Hog's Head.

I believe she is a very realistic portrayal of teenangers. Lavender seems to regard being interested in boys, clothes (most likely) and feelings as a part of being a teenange girl. And she works very much on that part of her! However I don't have the impression she is fool, at least not the kind of fook Crabbe and Goyle are. Just a little silly, and a bit of short perspectives.

I agree with this. She's one of the many. And, in a way, the trio and the Order fought Voldemort to protect the world of innocent trivialities Lavender lived in.

From the "What would you change?" thread:

Well the point was that Ron didn't feel anything for Lavender but used her because she noticed him, not Harry, and also because he felt betrayed by Hermione for kissing Krum (ridiculous I know) so it was just a way for him to 'emotionally mature'. And why would Padma be his girlfriend when he ignored her completely at the Yule Ball? I think Lavender should have shown interest in him prior to HBP, maybe towards the end of OotP.



I think Ron and Lavender were both using each other - Ron, because he believed Hermione thought he wasn't good enough, and he wanted to feel and show that someone fancied him. Lavender, IMO, was drawn to Ron after the Ministry incident, and moreso, after he joined the Quidditch team. I think she wanted to date someone who was important, and had been involved in something of note - she says herself that Ron was "interesting" after he was poisoned.

Hey everyone...I wanted to post MY unbiased answers to these questions before I read the thread...

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
This is possible, but it is also VERY possible that Trelawney "saw" that b/c Lav is one of her fave students...or should I say Lav is one of the students who trully believes in Trelawney...

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
If you want to get really deep and speculative about this - then MAYBE, but I doubt it.

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
They are all kids growing up and trying to mature...I doubt it was as much peer pressure as it was her choice....

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart?
Yes, but she will get over it..=)

How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
That doesnt matter, b/c it doesnt....

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
As we have seen in the books (except for a few rare instances, the type of "blood" a wizard is, makes no difference...


Good questions though...be on the lookout, soon I will have my own set of questions for you all...

I just hope I post it in the right place - forgive me I am a first yr. LOL

And as a boyfriend, Ron was cold and was using her to make Hermione jealous- I don't think Lavender was the only problem in that relationship.

Lav def got the short end of the stick. I think she truly liked him for all the reasons mentioned- Quidditch and the battle at the Ministry. Ron used her to make Hermione jealous even though he wasn't 100% aware that was what he was doing. his hormones were driving at that point. Now Ron is my favorite and has been since the first Hogwarts Express scene in book 1, but he was being a typical teenage boy. Although Lav was EXTREMELY annoying and I couldn't wait for them to break up, it was one of the most real teenage relationships in the whole series. Most of them are hot and heavy one minute and then cold as ice the next.

Lav def got the short end of the stick. I think she truly liked him for all the reasons mentioned- Quidditch and the battle at the Ministry. Ron used her to make Hermione jealous even though he wasn't 100% aware that was what he was doing. his hormones were driving at that point. Now Ron is my favorite and has been since the first Hogwarts Express scene in book 1, but he was being a typical teenage boy. Although Lav was EXTREMELY annoying and I couldn't wait for them to break up, it was one of the most real teenage relationships in the whole series. Most of them are hot and heavy one minute and then cold as ice the next.

I agree with you on this. Ron/Lavender is a more typical teen relationship than most of the others, except perhaps Ginny's trying the field. Teen years are often a time for experimenting with relationships before settling into something more serious. Some become permanent but more don't.

I'm interested as to why Lavender chose Ron to come on to. If she wanted a Quidditch hero who fought at the Ministry and was 'interesting', why didn't she try for Harry? He was available at that time. Maybe he seemed inaccessible and Ron more approachable?

I'm interested as to why Lavender chose Ron to come on to. If she wanted a Quidditch hero who fought at the Ministry and was 'interesting', why didn't she try for Harry? He was available at that time. Maybe he seemed inaccessible and Ron more approachable?

Its a good question and i would have to assume it is for one of these reasons

1. Lavender found Ron more attractive
2. Lavender preferred Ron's personality
3. Lavender didn't think she had a chance with Harry
4. (i have seen this one in fan fiction) Lavender was tired of being beaten by Hermione in everything and Lavender went for the thing (Ron) that Hermione truly wanted. In a way for parts of 6th year Lavender beat Hermione at something.

As for people saying that Ron only dating Lavender to make Hermione jealous i disagree as i honestly think that when Ron heard that Hermione and Krum had kissed he thought he was pathetic, that he had no chance with Hermione and Hermione would always be out of his league. Thinking this Ron tries to restore some of his crushed manhood and he finds the first girl who is interested in him and he dates her simply to prove to himself that he is the type of guy that girls would like to date.

Its a good question and i would have to assume it is for one of these reasons

1. Lavender found Ron more attractive
2. Lavender preferred Ron's personality

I think these two are more likely than the others. Lavender and Parvati didn't seem to pay Hermione much attention, so I find it difficult to think that she was so desprately jealous of Hermione's accomplishments that she had to date Ron simply to make Hermione jealous.

I think Lavender was really attracted to Ron, even before HBP. In PoA he argued with Hermione over her dead pet, probably such incident left an impression on her, that always made her respect and like Ron.

Though I'd agree that after starting to date Ron, she must have developed a great deal of jealousy toward Hermione, not just because she was Ron's friend but also because she was intrested in Ron.

I agree with you on this. Ron/Lavender is a more typical teen relationship than most of the others, except perhaps Ginny's trying the field. Teen years are often a time for experimenting with relationships before settling into something more serious. Some become permanent but more don't.

I'm interested as to why Lavender chose Ron to come on to. If she wanted a Quidditch hero who fought at the Ministry and was 'interesting', why didn't she try for Harry? He was available at that time. Maybe he seemed inaccessible and Ron more approachable?

Lavender thought Ron was more in her league I think, lol.

Lavender thought Ron was more in her league I think, lol.

Do you think it's possible that she set her sights on Ron because she knew how Hermione felt about him, and wanted to make her jealous? There's reason for Lav to dislike Hermione, after all. Jealousy of her academic brilliance and achievements and of her close relationship to the famous Harry Potter, and Hermione's obvious disdain for Divination, which is presented as one of Lavender's best subjects, and for Trelawney and Firenze, her (seemingly) favorite teachers.

Do you think it's possible that she set her sights on Ron because she knew how Hermione felt about him, and wanted to make her jealous? There's reason for Lav to dislike Hermione, after all. Jealousy of her academic brilliance and achievements and of her close relationship to the famous Harry Potter, and Hermione's obvious disdain for Divination, which is presented as one of Lavender's best subjects, and for Trelawney and Firenze, her (seemingly) favorite teachers.

I think she just became attracted to him due to his onset of fame with in Hogwarts. But I am sure making Hermione jealous was an added bonus to her!

Lavender thought Ron was more in her league I think, lol.

Lavender never seemed to lack in confidence though. I always got the impression that Lavender thought no guy was out of her league.

I think these two are more likely than the others. Lavender and Parvati didn't seem to pay Hermione much attention, so I find it difficult to think that she was so desprately jealous of Hermione's accomplishments that she had to date Ron simply to make Hermione jealous.

I think Lavender was really attracted to Ron, even before HBP. In PoA he argued with Hermione over her dead pet, probably such incident left an impression on her, that always made her respect and like Ron.

Though I'd agree that after starting to date Ron, she must have developed a great deal of jealousy toward Hermione, not just because she was Ron's friend but also because she was intrested in Ron.

I also generally think the first 2 options of Lavender preferring Ron in terms of looks and personality over Harry seems much more likely as it is the simplest explanation and the simplest explanation is often the correct one.

It was just a relationsihp built on terrible ideas..

I must have missed this when I first read the thread... hilarious

While Lavender and Parvati are portrayed as the stereotypical shallow girls, I think that they did come to realise that this wasn't all about popularity. I think seeing what Umbridge was like opened a lot of students' eyes, along with the mass breakout. These things got them to question the official Ministry line.
I agree with this.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
Nah. I think its because Parvati and Lavender were really impressed with Trelawney's "talents" and were fangirls so to speak. Trelawney obviously liked the attention she was getting from those two so i think she was just a bit biased.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
I cant really think of much but her name is made of colors. Maybe Lavender was to mean she was feminine or something and Brown as in average? *shrug*

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
See the quoted bit from Furry Dice. I really dont think she was pressured at all. I think Parvati and Lavender both saw the real danger going on. Not only that, but Umbridge was stanching their chance to learn defensive measures.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I do agree with those who say Ron and Lavender were more or less using each other. Ron was using Lavender to get over his insecurities and to "man up" so to speak, and also make Hermione jealous. Lavender seemed to be using Ron as either a means to gain some sort of status, and/or because she was a bit lonely. She was definitely clingy so maybe she, too, had some insecurities to overcome. I do think she really liked Ron though but perhaps was a bit put out that he had interest in Hermione. Girls can be pretty mindboggling sometimes so i think this was a pretty realistic situation.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
No idea. I dont recall anything in canon regarding her background. She could have been half-blood but for some reason i dont think she was muggle born. She was never a target for the basilisk or any anti-muggle born comments or activity.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

Probably not. Trelawney liked the fact that Lavender and Parvati cared about her and therefore was probably only being nice to her.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

Not really?

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

It probably was due to peer pressure

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

I don't think Ron broke her heart it was just a teenage romance.

I don't think Lavender joined the DA just because of peer pressure. I mean, there were plenty of students who weren't involved in the DA & while her friends being involved may have played some part in her decision, I really think despite her girly side, Lavender genuinely wanted to help. Even after her & Ron's breakup, she fought with the DA in the final battle & got seriously injured (or maybe even killed, there has been some fuzziness here). I don't think that much dedication comes from just some teenage peer pressure, I think Lavender showed some true loyalty & valience.

Well, here's the thing:
Outside of her mushy gooshy relationship win Won-Won, Lavender was pretty involved with the anti-Voldemort regime. She demonstrated this by joining the DA before Ron even came into the picture and remaining there to fight after he left. I think people call Lavender shallow without giving her enough credit for her loyalty.
I mean, there were plenty of students who weren't involved in the DA & while her friends being involved may have played some part in her decision, I really think despite her girly side, Lavender genuinely wanted to help. I agree. :tu: :)

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
No way, as far as I see it. Trelawney probably just liked that someone took her seriously. It seems that Trelawney's moments of being a true seer come from her subconscious, and when she's thinking consciously is when she starts talking nonesense. Her spotting Lavender's talent was probably her talking this nonesense.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
Lavender I suppose is quite a girly name, perhaps suggesting her somewhat airheaded, silly teenage girl persona.

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
I think she probably believed the stuff about Harry at first just to go with the crowd, it was the 'in' thing to believe. When everyone signed up to the DA, this could also have been a factor that she might have been a bit of a sheep. However, I think she and Parvati were beginning, like everyone else, to recognise the danger and take it seriously. I don't think there was peer-pressure at all.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I wouldn't say that Lavender took her relationship particularly with Ron seriously. It was in no way a mature, adult relationship. He was probably one of her first boyfriends and as such she went over the top and got all excited about it. I imagine it wouldn't have taken her too long to get over him. It clearly wasn't love, just a pair of superficial teenage crushes and a lot of snogging. I wouldn't say Ron really broke her heart because I think neither of them saw it as a long-term relationship and it is perfectly normal to experience break ups like Ron and Lavender's in adolescence. In regards to the future, I don't imagine she'd interact with the trio very much. I don't think there would be any bad feelings, especially after the war all that would seem infantismal and silly. I think after the battle any interaction would be small and they would all be a lot more grown up. I don't think they'd stay in touch after Hogwarts at all.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
I think it's pretty much irrelevant. I get the impression of Lavender being at least half-blood, just as someone said before due to the lack of any muggle-hate directed at her and it never being mentioned at all.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
No way, as far as I see it. Trelawney probably just liked that someone took her seriously. It seems that Trelawney's moments of being a true seer come from her subconscious, and when she's thinking consciously is when she starts talking nonesense. Her spotting Lavender's talent was probably her talking this nonesense.


I concur with your response. Given Trelawney's track record of accurate/inaccurate predictions, I think it is safe to say that she was happy to have someone like Lavendar to admire her work, and in turn, compliments Lavender as a reward. It was apparent that Trelawney lacked true divination abilities, aside from the few occurrences, due to her colleagues' (DD and McGonagall) skepticism throughout the books on the subject. As the old saying goes, "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while."

Does Lavender Brown's name tell us anything about her character?

To me the name suggests her character wasn't intended to be taken too seriously. Other characters have names that have more obvious significance. Longbottom = great strength, Riddle = mystery, Moody = temperamental.

Lavender Brown sounds like a colour, but a peculiar one. Separately Lavender suggests femininity, and Brown earthy, or ordinary.

Her nickname 'Lav-Lav' was a mean. Lav is short for lavatory, washing place, i.e. toilet. There are all sorts of references to toilets in Harry Potter - Moaning Myrtle, the ministry, Fred & George, Dumbledore's version of the room of requirement.

I believe Lavender was either half or pure blood because she was already at Hogwarts in DH when Harry, Ron, and Hermione arrived. If she was Muggleborn, she would either have been in hiding or been shipped to Azkaban (or worse).

In the battle Lavender was injured when Greyback came upon her. Greyback did mention he had a fondness for girls. Hermione casts a spell to get him away from Lavender.

I don't think that Lavender was interested in Ron for status because girls who wanted status went after Harry.

Well, here's the thing:
Outside of her mushy gooshy relationship win Won-Won, Lavender was pretty involved with the anti-Voldemort regime. She demonstrated this by joining the DA before Ron even came into the picture and remaining there to fight after he left. I think people call Lavender shallow without giving her enough credit for her loyalty.

I do think Lavender gets too much hate. Even in PoA, before the students are really involved with fighting the Dark Arts, she is one of 5 or 6 students that stay outside to rope the skrewts in - she was definitely brave and helpful. In a way I resent that she became Ron's girlfriend because that sort of belittled her and made her out as a silly teenage girl, although JRK redeemed her by having her stay behind and risk her life in DH.

She might not have been an expert at relationships, but IMO she wasn't a brainless numpty. She represents the normal people - Harry, Ron and Hermione are all a bit extraordinary - who had to grow up and make choices that they could have easily walked away from. She stayed to fight and that says a lot about her.Does Lavender Brown's name tell us anything about her character?

To me the name suggests her character wasn't intended to be taken too seriously. Other characters have names that have more obvious significance. Longbottom = great strength, Riddle = mystery, Moody = temperamental.

Hmm, I always thought Lavender was going to become an important character because of her name, actually. She's named after a flower, like Lily; I thought she might become more significant. I agree with you about "Brown," though, it's very common and ordinary, which is another reason why I think Lavender was written in to represent the generic teenage girl.

Did any character actually call Lavender "Lav Lav"? It was Harry who thought of Lav Lav as something he hoped Ron did not call Lavender, particularly after Lavender called Ron "Won Won."

I never realized how disliked Lavender's character was. I never found anything wrong with her. She came across as normal to me and girly along with Parvati. I felt that her interest in Ron was genuine and I know most felt that Ron probably hooked up with her to get back at Hermione, but I felt that he hooked up with her because Lavender was actually showing the boy interest; Hermione wasn't.

She was obviously brave, because she always fought against Voldemort. I never really felt she was shallow either.

I did wonder if she survived the battle. Sure would be nice to know if she did specifically.

I believe Lavender was either half or pure blood because she was already at Hogwarts in DH when Harry, Ron, and Hermione arrived. If she was Muggleborn, she would either have been in hiding or been shipped to Azkaban (or worse).

I used to think she was Muggleborn, because she didn't know about the Grim until Trelawney explained it in PoA. After DH, it seems more likely that she's a half-blood. If she is, her wizarding parent might not have wanted to worry their Muggle partner by talking of the Grim.

I don't think that Lavender was interested in Ron for status because girls who wanted status went after Harry.

Perhaps she thought Ron was more accessible than Harry? Perhaps she considered Ron better-looking? And there is still that comment about Ron being "interesting" after he was poisoned.

She might not have been an expert at relationships, but IMO she wasn't a brainless numpty. She represents the normal people - Harry, Ron and Hermione are all a bit extraordinary - who had to grow up and make choices that they could have easily walked away from. She stayed to fight and that says a lot about her.

I agree. Lavender and Parvati were really the ordinary teenage girls, just as Seamus and Dean were the ordinary teenage boys. They didn't have the big concerns of the Trio and Neville, until later on in the series. I agree that Lavender wasn't stupid, either. She wasn't as smart as Hermione, but then, few people are. Enjoying things like Divination and gossip don't mean that someone is stupid, not by a long shot, IMO.

[FONT="Times New Roman"][SIZE="3"]I never realized how disliked Lavender's character was. I never found anything wrong with her. She came across as normal to me and girly along with Parvati. I felt that her interest in Ron was genuine and I know most felt that Ron probably hooked up with her to get back at Hermione, but I felt that he hooked up with her because Lavender was actually showing the boy interest; Hermione wasn't.

She was obviously brave, because she always fought against Voldemort. I never really felt she was shallow either.

I did wonder if she survived the battle. Sure would be nice to know if she did specifically.


I think she was shallow, in some ways - her comment about Ron being "interesting" after being poisoned, for example. But I think she also had her heart in the right place - she stood up for what was right, she stayed in the Room of Requirement, to continue the fight against the Carrows, rather than trying to make a getaway via Aberforth's pub. I think Lavender was pretty much an ordinary teenage girl - she didn't have the same problems the trio faced - until things got really bad in OotP with Umbridge, and worse in DH with the Carrows, I think she was able to have a fairly normal time at school, and so her concerns were the usual ones. She had the concerns about the monster of Slytherin in CoS, but I think most of the school were concerned, in that situation.

I hope she did survive, perhaps Hermione got Greyback away for her soon enough for Lavender to survive? He wasn't transformed at the time, and Bill survived an attack from an untransformed Greyback. It's possible that she survived, but with scars and a liking for rare steak, like Bill.

I deleted a number of posts. Be advised that we have Muggle Studies for the extensive discussion of the films. In Legilimency Studies it is off topic, as the forum is for analysing book characters.

I think she was shallow, in some ways - her comment about Ron being "interesting" after being poisoned, for example. Now this doesn't come across as shallow to me. To me this just comes across as her admiration growing for him. To me it's no different from when a boy (or girl) does something, and catches the attention of another girl (boy). You know, seeing the person in a new light and all that. I also thought that the comment was aimed at Hermione anyway, like how she was hanging around Ron again because of his being poisoned. In all honesty, though, I cannot recall when or where she mentioned this.

Either way, I don't see that as shallow, especially since she'd been showing interest in him way before that incident. I really do feel she genuinely liked him or had strong feelings for him because she took the break up so hard. If it was no big deal or just shallowness, especially with the time - and maybe effort - she put into the relationship, doesn't strike me as shallow.

At first, I didn't like Lavender very much because like most people have expressed, she was "girly" and sometimes a bit immature but upon a re-read of the series several years later I thought, "Shes normal for her age!"

I definitely remember going through my Lavender Brown stage when I was her age but, like we see at the end in DH, shes a lot more grown up and in the face of adversity, her Gryffindor comes out.

I think what I had to realize was that just because you're a Gryffindor or a Slyterin or Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, it doesn't mean that you're not a normal human being who experiences typical life troubles. I think being a Gryffindor means that at your core, you are pure of heart, noble, brave and courageous but that doesn't mean you're not allowed to be your person with your own personality.

I think that Ron broke Lavender's heart and even though its sad that she possibly liked him more than he liked her, I quite enjoy that relationship because it keeps the characters realistic. As much as I love Hermione, I don't know many 11-16 year olds that are as clever, smart or dedicated as is. To me, Lavender is more of "real" teenage girl than Hermione or any other girl in the series.

Lav-Lav has really grown on me in recent years. I'm sure if it's just because I loved Jessie Caves portrayal of her in the films, or because I've read the books too many times...

I never paid her much notice until HBP anyway, and I really need to look back during OotP cuz I have been reading things that say she was against Harry, and didn't believe him and I can not remember that at all...

But, I wanted to say one thing - I love that she stayed behind during the Battle of Hogwarts, and have seen some people have been surprised at that. But, she was a Gryffindor afterall, as far as I was aware, all those who were of age from Gryffindor stayed? Because that is in their nature...

Anyway... Just wanted to spread some Lav-Lav love...

Yeah she was a normal girl who looked shallow because people judge her in relation to the trio which is not really fair on her.

That said I don't think she really liked Ron, no more than Ron liked her and I also think she had an inclination that Hermione did have feelings for Ron. In a way Ron-Lavender relationship was perhaps mutually benefiting. It was an example of how relationships should not be and I think both of them were better off with that experience.

I think Lavender helped Ron realise how much he preferred Hermione. Hermione didn't throw herself at Ron. She treated him matter of fact and I think that Ron wanted someone to shower him with affection because he felt left out. But after awhile, he came to realise that he preferred someone to treat him as an equal and not shower him with attention.

I never paid her much notice until HBP anyway, and I really need to look back during OotP cuz I have been reading things that say she was against Harry, and didn't believe him and I can not remember that at all...

Just at the start of the year. I think she was either asking Hermione for details, or questioning the story Dumbledore and Harry had told. However, she joined the DA from the beginning.

But, I wanted to say one thing - I love that she stayed behind during the Battle of Hogwarts, and have seen some people have been surprised at that. But, she was a Gryffindor afterall, as far as I was aware, all those who were of age from Gryffindor stayed? Because that is in their nature...

I didn't think it was that surprising, knowing that Lavender had been part of the second DA which rebelled against the Carrows, risking their own safety.

Yeah she was a normal girl who looked shallow because people judge her in relation to the trio which is not really fair on her.

I think that's a good point. The trio had to deal with a lot, which forced them to grow up quickly. Whereas Lavender was just like a normal teenager, experimenting with her looks, fancying boys, just like teenagers do. She's a little immature, but then, she was sixteen when she was dating Ron. Some people are immature at sixteen. Hey, some people are immature at sixty.

That said I don't think she really liked Ron, no more than Ron liked her and I also think she had an inclination that Hermione did have feelings for Ron. In a way Ron-Lavender relationship was perhaps mutually benefiting. It was an example of how relationships should not be and I think both of them were better off with that experience.

I agree. I think both of them learned what they did not want in a relationship. Which is something a lot of people learn from teenage relationships. Learning what you do not want is just as important as learning what you do want. And I think what Lavender learned was an important lesson to learn, just as what Ron learned was important; Lavender learned not to settle for being second best - not to date someone for whom she was the second choice.

I think Lavender helped Ron realise how much he preferred Hermione. Hermione didn't throw herself at Ron. She treated him matter of fact and I think that Ron wanted someone to shower him with affection because he felt left out. But after awhile, he came to realise that he preferred someone to treat him as an equal and not shower him with attention.

I think Ron threw himself at Lavender, too. I think they both threw themselves into that relationship, for the wrong reasons. But I think they both learned from it.

Yeah she was a normal girl who looked shallow because people judge her in relation to the trio which is not really fair on her.

That said I don't think she really liked Ron, no more than Ron liked her and I also think she had an inclination that Hermione did have feelings for Ron. In a way Ron-Lavender relationship was perhaps mutually benefiting. It was an example of how relationships should not be and I think both of them were better off with that experience.

I think she did like Ron, but not necessarily for the right reasons. I mean, she had known him for a long time, and to be honest, she was never all that impressed with him before. I think it was because, in his own way, he'd gotten a bit of 'fame' and that made her interested in him. Like she says about Hermione, 'suddenly' caring because he's 'all interesting' now. Which is funny (to me anyway) because that's really the reason she liked Ron in the first place. However, she did spend a fair amount of time trying to get him to notice her. It wasn't a great love, it was much the same as any teenage 'love' affair would be.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. ;) Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
I don't know, but Lavender seemed to enjoy the class very much and seemed to have faith in Trelawney's talents, and also appeared to admire the teacher very much. Only Lavender and Parvarti [or was it Parvati?] Patil among all the students are the ones mentioned as having a genuine liking and respect for her. She probably did very well in that class.
Does her name tell us anything about her character?
I think it is a pretty name. It is a very feminine name, and Lavender was kind of a girly girl.
In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
I think she really saw the truth at last and changed her mind.
In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I think at the time it did, but I think she was able to bounce back eventually and focus her attentions on the next target.
We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?[/LIST][/QUOTE] It was never said to my recollection. So I can't say it would be of any importance.

I think that's a good point. The trio had to deal with a lot, which forced them to grow up quickly. Whereas Lavender was just like a normal teenager, experimenting with her looks, fancying boys, just like teenagers do. She's a little immature, but then, she was sixteen when she was dating Ron. Some people are immature at sixteen. Hey, some people are immature at sixty.

I agree. I think both of them learned what they did not want in a relationship. Which is something a lot of people learn from teenage relationships. Learning what you do not want is just as important as learning what you do want. And I think what Lavender learned was an important lesson to learn, just as what Ron learned was important; Lavender learned not to settle for being second best - not to date someone for whom she was the second choice.

True and labeling her as shallow person for something she did at 16 is a bit harsh. People don't stay 16 forever, they grow up and learn from mistakes, all that's needed is a trigger to affect the change. Take a look at Ron for example in HBP. He is a lot more mature after after he nearly loses his life. Maybe the trigger for Lavender was the final battle.


I think Ron threw himself at Lavender, too. I think they both threw themselves into that relationship, for the wrong reasons. But I think they both learned from it.

I never got that impression myself. I saw him as a bit confused. He knew who he wanted but did not think she wanted him and Lavender happened to be the person who soothed his bruised ego.

I personally think that in the state of mind Ron was in at the time he would have gotten together with the first girl that showed any interest in him as his self confidence was at a all time low based on what Ginny had said to him. He needed to prove to himself that even if Hermione thought he was pathetic there is some girls out there that might consider him to be desirable.

I think she did like Ron, but not necessarily for the right reasons. I mean, she had known him for a long time, and to be honest, she was never all that impressed with him before. I think it was because, in his own way, he'd gotten a bit of 'fame' and that made her interested in him. Like she says about Hermione, 'suddenly' caring because he's 'all interesting' now. Which is funny (to me anyway) because that's really the reason she liked Ron in the first place. However, she did spend a fair amount of time trying to get him to notice her. It wasn't a great love, it was much the same as any teenage 'love' affair would be.

Nor did Ron date Lavender for the right reasons. Neither of them got into that relationship for the right reasons. I think they both learned from that experience.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?[/LIST] It was never said to my recollection. So I can't say it would be of any importance.

On seeing this, a random theory occurred to me. I agree that Lavender's background does not matter. However, as the question says, there is conflicting evidence - she did not know what a Grim was until Trelawney explained it. However, she was allowed/forced to attend Hogwarts in her seventh year, which rules out Muggleborn. Possibly, she had one wizarding parent, but was raised by her Muggle parent, after the wizarding parent died/left.

True and labeling her as shallow person for something she did at 16 is a bit harsh. People don't stay 16 forever, they grow up and learn from mistakes, all that's needed is a trigger to affect the change. Take a look at Ron for example in HBP. He is a lot more mature after after he nearly loses his life. Maybe the trigger for Lavender was the final battle.

Considering Lavender had been at Hogwarts while the Carrows were busy torturing children, I think that might have been the trigger. Despite that, despite the horrors she had seen and endured that year, or maybe because of them, Lavender chose to stay and fight. I can see the evils of that year at Hogwarts pushing a lot of people to either stay and fight, or to get away before things get worse, depending on the person in question.

I never got that impression myself. I saw him as a bit confused. He knew who he wanted but did not think she wanted him and Lavender happened to be the person who soothed his bruised ego.

Then, as I said, he got into the relationship for the wrong reasons. Ego is not a good reason to get into a relationship. Whether inflating or soothing an ego, it's a foolish and selfish reason to get into a relationship.

I personally think that in the state of mind Ron was in at the time he would have gotten together with the first girl that showed any interest in him as his self confidence was at a all time low based on what Ginny had said to him. He needed to prove to himself that even if Hermione thought he was pathetic there is some girls out there that might consider him to be desirable.

We know what Ron's state of mind was, but we don't know what Lavender's was. Perhaps Lavender felt down, too. Perhaps Lavender had never had a boyfriend, either.

Lavender's determination to keep Ron as her boyfriend, even after he started holding her at a distance, even after she realised he wasn't the type of romantic person she may have wanted suggests that maybe self-consciousness was an issue for her, too. I know there was some silliness about Ron being "interesting" after he'd been poisoned and that Lavender seemed to start noticing Ron around the time he became a successful Quidditch player and fought DEs at the Ministry.
But I also wonder if Lavender had bought into unhealthy messsages that are peddled to girls - the message that Twilight sells so well, but was around long before that. The idea that a girl must have a boyfriend, that the wrong boyfriend is better than no boyfriend, that you're lesser if you don't have a boyfriend. Lavender wanted to keep Ron as her boyfriend, even after it became clear that he wasn't interested, that she was second choice. I like to think that she learned from that, and after this, refused to be with a guy for whom she was the second choice.

Then, as I said, he got into the relationship for the wrong reasons. Ego is not a good reason to get into a relationship. Whether inflating or soothing an ego, it's a foolish and selfish reason to get into a relationship.


That I agree with and as I said their relationship was everything a relationship shouldn't be and they were both at fault. What I am saying is I don't think Ron really wanted to get into a relationship with Lavender, she just happened to be there at a vulnerable moment. Doesn't make it right but that's what I think happened. Lavender on the other hand seemed to have an eye out for Ron so I think it was premeditated from her side.