Missing Plots: What did you expect to be in the book, and wasn't?

Now we know the final conclusions of the books and there is really no more proper speculation to be had are there any theories from anytime in the series which you wish had been true. I always loved the idea that Dumbledore was Ron who got sent back in time. That would have really changed the Harry/Dumbledore relationship.

What did you expect to be in the book, and wasn't? Was there a convo you were just waiting to see, and then it never happened? :grumble:

For me, once Voldy was defeated, and Harry was still alive. I was waiting for him to announce his love for Ginny. I've wanted to see how welcoming Molly Weasley was to having Harry join the family. For Harry to be able to call Molly 'mom' and be included completely in the Weasley's Family.

I though we're going to see the Department of Mysterious again...

I thought we would know what Dudley saw during the dementor attack.

I thought we would know what Dudley saw during the dementor attack.

Yeah, I expected a lot more about Dudley. Though it was nice to see that he did care for Harry, we didn't see enough.

The other side of that dang-diddly-dang locked door! Arg!

I definitely thought we'd get an explanantion of what was the veil about that Sirius fell through. I wanted to know about Harry's (and all the other's) further carreers, whether the three friends completed their education after Voldemort's fall, what they did after that... what happened to surviving death eaters like Lucius Malfoy and Draco... were they punished at all? I loved the book, but I wish it was twice as big and all the questions answered...

I thought we would know what Dudley saw during the dementor attack.
Yes, that was a big one for me, too. But I'm wondering if the fact that Dudley thanked Harry for saving his life means that what he saw was all the times he tormented Harry and others. Could have given him a change of heart.

I also expected Petunia to break down and tell Harry something about Lily, but at least we found out that from Snape's memories.

I also wanted to see how the Dursleys would react to Ron and Hermione showing up on their doorstep and deciding to stay awhile. That would have been fun, but not, I admit, crucial to the plot.

I thought that Lily's amazing ability at Potions would come into it somewhere.

I also thought that there would be at least one real traitor on both sides - Big Blond on the DE's side and McG or Slughorn on the OotP's.

I thought that we'd find out what "Remember my last, Petunia," meant, because I don't remember figuring that one out. Did I miss it?

Anyways, I agree, I thought we'd find out more about Dudley's attack.

I wanted to see if Cho and Harry ever became at least friends, and was dying for a conversation between Harry and Draco in the Epilogue. I'm glad that there weren't 8 endings like in LOTR because JK can do that in an encyclopedia. It would be too long, all we really need to know is that Harry's life turned out good after all. What a great series, know start writing JK, make something else! :p

I expected to see the lives of everyone after the war, the 19 year jump was a tad disappointing, but it was still a phenomenal epilogue.

I thought that we'd find out what "Remember my last, Petunia," meant, because I don't remember figuring that one out. Did I miss it?

Anyways, I agree, I thought we'd find out more about Dudley's attack.

Maybe he was referring to when Petunia wrote him and tried to get into Hogwarts? :3

I was convinced the Veil would be important, and if not vital the plot - I thought we would at least see it again.

I also expected to hear more about Dumbledore's letter to Petunia, and I wanted to find out why JKR kept the information about the teacher's spouses a secret.

I thought Lily and James' jobs would be important? I also wanted to see what Dudley saw during the attack and I REALLY thought the secret of death was somehow conncted to the veil.

I hated the epilogue....The only thing explained was that Neville became Herbology teacher and the marriages. I thought Harry would become Head of Hogwarts.

I thought there would be more in the epilogue about what became of all the characters, not just those few. I also though there would be a better explanation of what happened to Sirius, he is obviously dead since he showed up with the rest of the dead, but how did the veil kill him?

And out of curiosity, I want to know what they did with Voldemort's body.

i thought for sure that we'd find out more about the VEIL.....

I was convinced that the Veil would be important too, and I thought that Harry would interact more with Dumbledore's portrait. and more about the Dursleys... I hoped that Vernon and Petunia would've changed, but they didn't. at least Dudley turned out to be a good bloke after all :)

I was EXTREMELY disappointed that the resolution of the romantic subplot between Harry and Ginny spanning multiple books happens "off stage."

I was also surprised, given that it was such a common question floating around for the last several years, that we don't actually find out what any of them do for a living. We can presume that Harry decided NOT to become an Auror, because of his determination that the Elder Wand pass on peacefully without a new owner, so what did he do? Become a professional Quidditch player?

While we're at it, I think Fred's death was a little bit robbed of its emotional impact because we never got to see any of the grieving.

I would have liked to see a big funeral scene, along with a permanent memorial built at Hogwarts to honor those who fell defending the Wizarding World from Voldemort at this---the only "major" battle in the war. And I would have liked to see Harry and Ginny officially hook up again.

I need to know who did magic later in life! That one is killing me. Also, I would have liked to see how the Weasleys got on--all of them. They did become, in the end, Harry's true family. He now has brothers and sisters and parents after all, which is just beautiful.

There are several things I wish were answered (but I still loved the book)

1. The deal with the veil.
2. Voldy being Slytherin's "last remaining ancester" (This omission really bugs me because I've being looking forward to the answer ever since Dumbledore made this statement.)
3. Which teachers are married and do their S/O live at the school too. (I thought JK said in interviews that this was going to be answered in the last book.)

There are probably more but these are the most pressing.

Maybe he was referring to when Petunia wrote him and tried to get into Hogwarts? :3

Yeah, but that doesn't explain why she had such an abrupt change after she got that Howler... it sounded to me that the "remember my last" was more along the lines of a threat, or reminding her of something dire that would happen if she didn't protect Harry.... I can't see that a letter telling her (in the nicest possible way, I'm sure) that she couldn't attend Hogwarts really fulfils "remember my last"s criteria....

I thought I would find out why some wizards become ghosts and some don't.

I thought Harry would become Head of Hogwarts.

No, I think Harry deserved to settle down, even though Hogwarts was his first home. He had other things to do, such as Ginny. I like the idea of him settling down.

1. I expected the veil top play a larger role. ( The Hallows messed up my predictions. I didn't think we would get more information.)
2. I thought that Yaxley would be a traitor for the DE's.

1. A clear use of magic by someone for the first time late in life; Mrs. Figg, Filch or something like that.

2. What exactly did Dudley see when the Dementors attacked?

3. What precisely was that potion in the cave?

4. Harry getting a new pet.

5. Which Hogwarts teachers were married?

6. What were James and Lily's occupations?

7. Did Harry lose the ability to speak Parseltongue once the Horcrux inside him was destroyed?

And one major question raised by the book:

Why did Dumbledore tell Harry that the Ministry cannot detect WHO has performed magic if there is supposedly a "trace" on underage wizards?

i thought she was going to say something about why neville's parents were tortured, i swear she said somewhere that this was important... (cos it was after voldemort fell remember) and i was also hoping that harry would get a pet of some sort, like jk said he might. (maybe ths was kreacher, i dunno) and the dudley thing and the viel thing of course.

I thought I would find out why some wizards become ghosts and some don't.

Nearly Headless Nick explained that in Book 5 when Harry asked him after Sirius died. Basically, some wizards are afraid to move on after they die.

As for "Remember my last, Petunia," that was about Albus' previous letter to Petunia explaining to her that Harry's life was protected as long as he could call 4 Privet Drive his home. So if she threw him out, it was the same as a death sentence.

Why did Dumbledore tell Harry that the Ministry cannot detect WHO has performed magic if there is supposedly a "trace" on underage wizards?


it says that The Trace detects magic going on AROUND the person, this is why no one from the order could do magic at privet drive, cos it would be detected.

I wanted more information on James Potter.

Why did Dumbledore tell Harry that the Ministry cannot detect WHO has performed magic if there is supposedly a "trace" on underage wizards?
Because the trace isn't that precise. Although that also makes the trace pretty useless in a wizarding household, like say, the Weasleys.

I guess it means that the trace was more of a plot device rather than something that had its implications thoroughly thought through.

First of all: the Veil, that stupid Veil! That's the only one I'm really disappointed not getting any information about. I really thought we would find out what it was and what exactly it did to Sirius (although I was quite sure the he was really dead - I just wanted to know how he died).

I also thought we would learn more about Petunia. There were a few hints that she knew more about the wizarding world and I would've liked to know how much she knew and how much contact she had with Dumbledore.

she should have done what jr tolkien did, he added a timeline of all of the events from the start to the finish, maybe start with the three sons and have each event as it occured

then go beyond the hogwarts battle

i really wanted to see what harry did, and what his parents did

there were so many things missing, the 19 year gap untill the epilogue was too long, i would've prefered it to be a couple of months later to see everyone freshly recovering, and there was a lack of narrative storytelling at the end, it would've been nice if she could've just rounded up answering all the questions and inserting the scenes like funerals, jobs and marriages at the end, like we were looking at it through a window or something.

i would've liked to hear more about the Dursley's and Ted Lupin, and hogwarts, like who the head teacher was, though i assume it was probably mcgonagal, witches and wizards do have longer life spans. my biggest dissapointment is probably not having the department of mysteries explained, Deathly Hallows really need to be twice as long.

1. The mystery of the Veil. If it is just another way to die or what and what where those whispering voices? Could we hear into the after-world?

2. What happened to all the other major players in the books out side of those mentioned in the epilogue. George not being there was a complete surprise.

3. How James and Lily defied Voldemort 3 times

4. More truthful info on the Marauders. Not just what Sirius and Remus thought was 'appropriate' to tell or the little Harry saw in the pensive.

5. The outcome of Remus' work with the werewolves detailed.

6. Other magical creatures on both sides: vampires, giant squid, mermaids, veelas and others she has mentioned in the books.

A theory on Dudley and the dementors:

Somewhere in DH, as Harry finds out more about Dumbledore's past, there is a line where Harry wonders if Dumbledore stood by and watched Ariana live a miserable childhood, as Dudley did with him. We now know that Dudley felt something like remorse and possibly some affection for his cousin. Could his worst memories be the time he spent watching Harry suffer?

I was REALLY looking forward to getting a rock-solid answer to this. :(

Not really a missing PLOT but I wanted Ron to tell Hermione he loved her :)

i was thinking and teddy lupin is too old to go back to hogwarts in the epilogue isnthe, i figure hes about 20

thats 3 years older than a 7th year

There are a number of things, but one that no one mentioned yet that really threw me was:

Nonverbal Spells!

Harry and co learned nonverbal spells in HBP. Granted, they probably weren't mastering them yet, but there were situations where they certainly should have been attempted: such as the break-in at Gringotts - why is Harry mumbling and whispering spells - he should try to use nonverbal ones.

I have one quick thing to say, and would love it if I wasn't the only thing that wondered this throughout. Where was H/G?

I expected to see Dudley's memories from when the Dementor attacked. To know what he seen.
I expected to know what happen to Florean Fortescue.
I thought perhaps we'd see more of the DoM locked door and the Veil.

Those are the ones I can think of.

I expected wormtail to play a more vital part then he did what he did can be regarded as kinda important but I had thought it would be something more important than that ( becoz he would have died anyways )

i was thinking and teddy lupin is too old to go back to hogwarts in the epilogue isnthe, i figure hes about 20

thats 3 years older than a 7th year



I know! I was thinking the same. But maybe he became a teacher? though I find it weird, because he was snogging Victoire in the train

I wanted to know what happened to Cornelius Fudge. Was he a death eater? Did he hide, was captured, what?

What happened to Umbridge?

I though we're going to see the Department of Mysterious again...

Ditto. I was really disappointed that we never learned the truth behind the veil. What exactly was it? Why could Luna and Harry hear voices behind it. Was it the curse or the Veil that killed Sirius? I really wanted to know! :(

Teddy Lupin would be Nineteen, but it mentions he was just there to see Victorie off to school, not to attend Hogwarts.

But I definately think that that part was confusing. She could have expanded the epilogue to explain who Victorie really was, we needed more info on those skipped 19 years.

Let's be perfectly clear here. Tuney--man, I love that nickname, I think I'll call her that from now on--didn't get a Howler as a twelve-year-old (oh, I see you're talking about the only Howler she ever got--no that was a stern reminder of the explanation about Harry, once again, a very nice, but serious letter she got when Harry was dropped on her doorstep). She got a sympathetic letter from Albus (probably because he was reminded of his sister), praising her interest in magic and expressing regret that he couldn't invite her because she wouldn't be able to learn any magic--because she didn't have any ability. It wasn't a Howler, it wasn't a brush-off. I got the impression that Dumbledore was as nice about it as he could be. Petunia's pride was sorely wounded when the insults of "that Snape boy" proved all too true and she responded to her disappointment and humiliation by rejecting everything that attracted her--including her amazing sister.

I'm not all that disappointed with not hearing about the veil, but I expected to get an explicit description of what Dudley saw during the dementor attack (what he saw from his own memory). I fully expected to get an explanation of Professor marriages--why they're rare and how they're handled. I thought we'd get more on the communication system that magical folk use that's even cooler than the Internet--I might have been satisfied with the talking Patronuses, but clearly THAT's not a common form of communication because everyone who wasn't an Order member or directly blood-related to an Order member looked at Kingsley's lynx like it was from outer space.

That locked door in the Department of Mysteries is the only thing from the DoM that I feel we missed out on--although an explanation of why those revolving doors obeyed Harry's command in OotP would have been appreciated.

Let's see, what else? Oh, as beautiful and sad, and majestic as the Prince's Tale was--yeah, I did use all those adjectives to describe Snape, there was a continuity error and two omissions (one was a direct result of the continuity error and one, I guess, was just something Severus didn't feel was important).

1. Continuity error--Am I nuts or did Lupin not explicitly say that "The Prank" of Marauder lore and legend actually occurred in Lily and Severus' sixth year in PoA. If so, the discussion that Lily and Severus had about it was WAY too early (fourth year, just after Prongs, Padfoot, and Wormy mastered Animagus transformations).

2. That leads us to the omission others have talked about--Lily's Potions skills. I think, based on the history and her friendships, it's safe to assume that her skills as a Potioneer were good, maybe even great, but not groundbreaking (in other words, close to--but not much greater than--her son's skills in that subject). So, what's the difference between Lily's realized skill and her son's raw, underdeveloped talent? Answer--Her best friend in Potions class WAS a virtuouso, and he taught her everything he discovered--in fact, some of the better, less harmful discoveries in the Prince's old Potions books were probably worked on WITH Lily. I think he tried to make up his slip of the tongue in Advanced Potions by working with her, and sharing his milder discoveries with her, but the damage was clearly done. I also maintain (and I'd have liked to see something about this) that the countercharm to Sectumsempra--the charmsong that seemed to be so strange coming from Snape to save Draco, was probably Lily's brainstrom--we know that she was a Charms talent).

The other omission--the one that, I guess, Snape never even shared with Dumbledore was the following.

Snape knew that there was a son of the Blacks who was a Death Eater--he knew there was a traitor in the Order. Given his past experiences with Sirius (the murder attempt) it is unsurprising that he leapt to the conclusion that the traitor and the Death Eater Black were one and the same person. From Severus' comments about James in the Shrieking Shack, it seems that after Snape became Dumbledore's spy, he tried everything. He even approached his boyhood enemy, the man he hated for stealing Lily's heart, to warn him that Sirius was not to be trusted. Remember when Snape was raving about Harry "thanking [Snape] on bended knee" for saving him from Sirius and he made the comment that James was too proud to believe he was mistaken in Black? If you look at the exchange between Dumbledore and Snape that took place just after that fateful Halloween, Dumbledore berates Snape for trusting Voldemort to keep his word, but Snape never brings up the fact that he approached James, warning him about Sirius (who, it seemed at the time, had sold James and Lily to Voldemort).

About Ginny--well, it wasn't settled offstage. I think Ginny knew from that kiss, even if her brother didn't, that Harry was serious about her and that if they both survived the coming struggle and Voldemort was defeated, he was in for a serious commitment (in other words, even though she had that inexplicable Weasley self-doubt...just like her alternately wonderful and infuriatingly horrible elder brother...she knew what a positive future meant, even more certainly than Harry did).

I'd have liked to see Hermione tackling a Horcrux, just to see what Riddle might throw at her.

I was shocked that for all she did at Hogwarts, that Ginny was in a supporting role, even in the last battle, she seemed more like Florence Nightinggale than a Valkyrie (which really surprised me, that doesn't suit her temperament). I was expecting her to step out and play a crucial role in the hunt for the Horcruxes--and, well, I agree that what she did at Hogwarts was crucial, but it felt more like Neville was the leader of that little band of DA reborn. She played more of a Gwenivere role (like her namesake) than I thought proper. She was isolated from Harry's quest, from his troubles--and throwing in the comment about Hermione--she's like my sister, and she feels the same way about me, was sort of a wimp-out. If you really expect us to buy that Hermione sticks by Harry through the absolute worst of it, that she thinks like him, that they operate in the most crucial and subtle partnership in the books and it's because they're "like siblings"--why not go that last extra mile and demonstrate that Hermione was adopted? They're closer than any siblings in the series--closer than Gred and Forge, I'd even go so far as to say, they're as close as any siblings I've run across in children's literature (even Sam and Eric from Lord of the Flies who are so close and so identical that, in the settlement, they merge into one identity Samneric).

On the interpersonal level--I was really hoping for Ron to turn the corner definitively--but he felt too much like Dumbledore. And this is the first and, I hope, only time, that I use Albus as an insult. Albus was finally forced into action to stop Grindelwald even though he feared the truth about Ariana's death--but that longing for closure never left him, and it cost him his life. The first thing he thought when he saw the stone was--I'm going to see my parents and Ariana again--I can apologize to the three of them, tell them I love them--and he didn't even consider possible Horcrux consequences.

On an interpersonal level--Ron suffers from the same problem Albus did. Every time he turns a corner and it looks like he's solved his problems with self-doubt (his major hang-up just as Albus' was guilt), the next crisis brings everything back and worsens it. Even in the Epilogue, I found myself praying that not only was Voldemort forever vanquished but that no new threat would ever rise up in Ron's lifetime because, if a serious crisis came about and Hermione and Harry had to resume their partnership--who knows how Ron would react. I find it truly awful that Ron and Hermione's life together looks like it's balancing on a soap bubble or an eggshell, even in "Happily Ever After." It's particularly disheartening because we've finally seen Ron at his best and we know that if he stayed that way and continued to mature, he'd be a quality life partner for Hermione (but for him it's still a growth process, at 39, there's still a large chunk of overgrown 7-year-old in him).

I expected Wormtail to repay his life debt to Harry. Did that split second hesitation fulfill his debt or did Voldemort anticipate his weakness and install instant death in his silver hand to prevent it? That was not explained.

Which non magical person performed magic in a dire situation?

Professors personal lifes, like marriages and families, were not addressed.

Why did Snape tell Harry to use non-verbal spells at the end of the HBP if he never used them during DH?

What did Dudley see during the dementor attack?

Personally, I think the epilogue should have been after just a year or so. We want to know about all the characters in Potterverse, not just the trio. Although I am glad that Harry gets to live happily ever after with Ginny and children, it would be great to know about Luna, George, Molly and the other Weasleys too. What are their professions and where do they live? Did Harry move back to Godric's Hollow?

I expected to see a lot more about the Department of mysteries (particularly the veil and locked door), as well as a clarification about what Dudley saw in the presence of the Dementors and what James and Lily's professions were. I also thought the character who learned magic late in life would be revealed.

But mostly I would have liked to find out more about what happened to Harry and the gang after Voldemort's defeat. What were all of their jobs, for example. And what happened to Neville and Luna in the epilogue? If I'm not mistaken, they weren't even mentioned.

Although I guess Jo couldn't have done all of that. The book would have been massive (I wouldn't have complained, but it might have taken longer to write)... Oh well...

Well i was sort of hoping for more Harry and Ginny in the book :(

I was also hoping to find out more about the veil.. I would've LOVED to find out more about Lily, James and Sirius.

And i was hoping for a more mature epilogue and one that didnt jump 19 years but more like a few months.. :(

Oh well..

About Ginny--well, it wasn't settled offstage. I think Ginny knew from that kiss, even if her brother didn't, that Harry was serious about her and that if they both survived the coming struggle and Voldemort was defeated, he was in for a serious commitment (in other words, even though she had that inexplicable Weasley self-doubt...just like her alternately wonderful and infuriatingly horrible elder brother...she knew what a positive future meant, even more certainly than Harry did).
Huh? Yes, it was. They were still "broken up" at the end of the main part of the book, but married with children in the epilogue. We didn't see that change in status, it happened off stage.

Granted, I think we all knew it was inevitable (assuming they both survived) but we already knew that when they broke up at the end of book 6 anyway.

Somebody I was talking to said they thought the ending was too pat (which made the book childish) and I compared it to a Jane Austen ending (no one's ever accused Jane Austen of writing primarily for children) and the more I think of it, the more I would have liked to see more of a Jane Austen-like section between the end we got and the epilogue. I'd have liked to see a big funeral service at Hogwarts for all the brave souls who gave their life in the only major battle of the war. I'd have liked to see Harry and Ginny actually hook up. And frankly, I'd have liked to see Hermione/Ron and Harry/Ginny actually get married. Maybe they could have had a big Jane Austen-esque double ceremony even.

I'd have liked to see Hermione tackling a Horcrux, just to see what Riddle might throw at her.

She did tackle a horcrux. She destroyed Halga Huffelpuf's cup. In fact, each horcrux was destroyed by somebody different. Riddle's Diary=Harry; Gaunt's ring=Dumbledore; Slytherin's locket=Ron; Huffelpuf's cup=Hermione; Ravenclaw's Tiara=Crabbe; Nagini=Neville; Harry=Voldemort.

I definitely thought we'd get an explanantion of what was the veil about that Sirius fell through. I wanted to know about Harry's (and all the other's) further carreers, whether the three friends completed their education after Voldemort's fall, what they did after that... what happened to surviving death eaters like Lucius Malfoy and Draco... were they punished at all? I loved the book, but I wish it was twice as big and all the questions answered...

definitely all of that. Plus, what happened to Dursleys?

The first problem I had with DH was the fact that Ginny really did not play much of a role. I expected her to be showcasing just how powerful a witch she was and time and again helping Harry. It seemed like she was only in the book for Harry to think about constantly and then just a prize for him in the end.

Next, I expected to see more about the Dursleys and what happened to them. I wanted especially to see what Dudley saw in the vision when he met the dementors. Not a huge deal about that but I was still curious.

The main problem I had was that they never returned to the Department of Mysteries. I was almost postive they were going to return there for some big fight or for some new revelation. I was also hoping to see a good explanation about the veil Sirius fell into. I am still a little confused about what that thing actually was and I was hoping to get that clarified.

Finally, I missed seeing a little about what everyone was doing in the epilogue. I didn't want some huge thing describing their whole lives, but I did want maybe a paragraph or two about them.

She did tackle a horcrux. She destroyed Halga Huffelpuf's cup. In fact, each horcrux was destroyed by somebody different. Riddle's Diary=Harry; Gaunt's ring=Dumbledore; Slytherin's locket=Ron; Huffelpuf's cup=Hermione; Ravenclaw's Tiara=Crabbe; Nagini=Neville; Harry=Voldemort.


Yes, but we didn't see her doing it, so we don't know what she had to deal with and whether she had to overcome any of her personal fears to do it, like Ron. I would've liked to see that, too. I was a bit disappointed that her destroying a Horcrux happened off screen.

I wish that Lily could have loved Snape back: I thought that they'd be a good couple, on the Leo/Scorpio principle,
What do you mean by Leo/Scorpio principle? Snape was a capricorn and Lily was an aquarius.

I would have loved to see that Snape's mom knew/helped Voldemort while they where at school. I was certain the potions book being nearly 50 years olds meant that there was a connection between them.

More about founders and they are somehow connected to present day situation. I would have loved to see the trio using a timeturner and going back to their time to find some truth. a little far fetched... but, I would have liked it

I wanted to know what Dudley saw as well....but I suppose hewould have never told Harry, and he wouldn't have had the opportunity to either. I also wonder what happened to them in the end; were they safe by the end of the war? And what about Hermione's parents who also went into hiding?

I thought the veil would come into play. I suppose the veil is a passageway to death, as many have speculated, but I thought it would make a reappearance in a book that greatly deals with death.

The epilogue focused on things I didn't care about as much...I mean, it's nice that the trio are great friends still and their children are too, but what about all the other characters??

Also, what happened to fawkes?? I wanted to see him again too.

For me, I wanted to know much less important things. Such as what career did Lily and James pursue after schooling. Just things that I had been wondering on my own accord.

Ditto. I was really disappointed that we never learned the truth behind the veil. What exactly was it? Why could Luna and Harry hear voices behind it. Was it the curse or the Veil that killed Sirius? I really wanted to know! :(
I think it's pretty safe to say that the Veil didn't actually kill Sirius. It's quite clearly implied that Bellatrix's manner of death was a mirror image of Sirius's, e.g. she got hit with a spell in the same way. She died without the help of the Veil. Unless it was a different spell (which I personally doubt, if it were so it'd have to be important for the plot, which it clearly wasn't), we can assume that the Veil played no part in actually bringing about the death of Sirius. Which, however, doesn't explain the voices.

As for myself, I missed James and Lily's occupations and the professors' personal life. Just imagine what Prof McGonagall's husband could be like! :0)

would have loved to know more about petunia and dumbledore....

i mean what else did petunia know?

i would have loved for petunia to have said something nice to harry too before she left....kinda close out those characters with a bit more "umph!"

Also, what happened to fawkes?? I wanted to see him again too.

Yeah! What happened to Fawkes the Phoenix? I always thought he would play a part, we learned so much about the Dumbledore's, but learned nothing more about Fawkes.... hmm... I also though Harry would be left Fawkes in Dumbledore's will.

Like many other, what I missed most was the veil. I had really expected them to come back in the department of mysteries and get an answer. Sirius's death never felt 'right' to me. Very unheroic. He fell, just like that. What were the voices Harry and Luna could hear. Rowling said there was a reason why Sirius had to die. Was it only to show up with the other dead people using the hallow's ring? Was it because all marauders had to die? There are several other things I missed from the story, but Siriu's death and the veil are the most burning unanswered questions for me.

Yes, I was looking forward to learning about the professor's lives! I thought for sure that when they entered Hogwart's Castle through the Hog's Head that they would end up McGonagal's personal quarters. Oh well...

The mystery of the Veil would have been nice to know. Perhaps the Veil only conceals an alternate reality, hence the voices heard by Luna and Harry. Maybe it doesn't matter if you are alive or dead when you pass through the Veil, only that your body can never return? IDK, just a theory...

I thought mad-eye wasn't going to die and be like a take over as far as someone to look up to for harry now that dumbledore was gone.

I would have loved to see that Snape's mom knew/helped Voldemort while they where at school. I was certain the potions book being nearly 50 years olds meant that there was a connection between them.

Yeah I guess that was just a strait out red herring

1. Continuity error--Am I nuts or did Lupin not explicitly say that "The Prank" of Marauder lore and legend actually occurred in Lily and Severus' sixth year in PoA. If so, the discussion that Lily and Severus had about it was WAY too early (fourth year, just after Prongs, Padfoot, and Wormy mastered Animagus transformations).

The other omission--the one that, I guess, Snape never even shared with Dumbledore was the following.

Snape knew that there was a son of the Blacks who was a Death Eater--he knew there was a traitor in the Order. Given his past experiences with Sirius (the murder attempt) it is unsurprising that he leapt to the conclusion that the traitor and the Death Eater Black were one and the same person. From Severus' comments about James in the Shrieking Shack, it seems that after Snape became Dumbledore's spy, he tried everything. He even approached his boyhood enemy, the man he hated for stealing Lily's heart, to warn him that Sirius was not to be trusted. Remember when Snape was raving about Harry "thanking [Snape] on bended knee" for saving him from Sirius and he made the comment that James was too proud to believe he was mistaken in Black? If you look at the exchange between Dumbledore and Snape that took place just after that fateful Halloween, Dumbledore berates Snape for trusting Voldemort to keep his word, but Snape never brings up the fact that he approached James, warning him about Sirius (who, it seemed at the time, had sold James and Lily to Voldemort).




Yeh these are two areas I'm having trouble with too. The timeline as I understand doesn't make sense. When exactly did all this stuff happen. Part of my problem is I recall Hermoine making comments about "girl's writing" in the HBP potion book. Maybe she's talking about Snape's handwriting but it also came across as comments written in a different hand. Well that would be Lily yet supposedly after SWM there's a complete break between Snape and Lily. Clarification on the timeline would have been nice

I also thought that Snape's comments about being thanked on bended knee really smacked of an actual conversation Snape had with someone who wasn't listening. But I suppose we can assume Snape told DD there was a traitor close to the Potters at some point. But it's very murky. I would have liked to have known for sure.

My only other thing I would like to have known was.....did anybody go and move Snape out of the Shrieking Shack or are we still waiting for FEMA to show up. That whole Harry thing of ...well I'm off to bed now...was a little abrupt.

My favourite theory was that Severus and Lily were in luve, but, that the Dark Arts entranced Sev and thus drove her away. Straight into James' arms. I would have luved to see that in The Prince's Tale. I still suspect that, myself. After all, the last page of that letter said, " love, Lily ".

i wanted to know what that sliver thing was in OotP when DD said put in essence divided after Arthurs attack

What was with the Veil? What was with Harry's eyes? Were they just a reminder to Snape that he was Lily's son? Does this get revealed? I LOST MY BOOK WITH ONE CHAPTER TO GO!

There were so many, but now that I think about it, it makes sense that they didn't get address. After all, aside from the first chapter the story is told from Harry's POV.

But I really wish JKR had made it clear if McGonagall kept her promise to help Harry become an Auror.

The Department of Mysteries, specifically the Veil.

I really thought we'd find out exactly what was behind it and what happens to the people who do. We have a general idea that you obviously die when you go through it, but how do you die and why? There are so many things I'd like to know about the Department of Mysteries.

I thought the veil would play a significant part but I don't think it was barely mentioned.

I didn't really expect it, but I desperatelyhoped for a solution for Winkys unhapy situations. But alas, no...

But we know what Dudley saw: Nothing. We also know what he felt. Deeper depair than ever before. Remember, this is from somebody who never felt any despair ever before this, so it's not exactly hard. :-)

I'm prolly the 100th person to ask this...but who performed magic late in life?? Did I miss that, or was it not even there?

I was also hoping to get the full text of the letter Dumbledore left for Petunia on Baby Harry. I think that is the letter referred to as "his last" and I thought we would get more details there.

What was with the Veil? What was with Harry's eyes? Were they just a reminder to Snape that he was Lily's son? Does this get revealed? I LOST MY BOOK WITH ONE CHAPTER TO GO!

The veil remains a mystery. As for the eyes, I think that is sufficiently clear. Harry's eyes reminded him of Lily. After all these years after her dead he was still heartbrokenly in love with her. He never liked Harry because he reminded him of James, but his eyes touched a soft spot in his heart.

I thought we would know what Dudley saw during the dementor attack.


Yes. Also, wasn`t Snape`s Bogart meant to be important, along with James and Lilie`s jobs, a person who performed magic late in life and a few other things I can`t recall now.

GreatUncleAlgie--I know she destroyed one--what I said was I wanted to see it DESCRIBED, the way that Ron's personal battle was described. I think if I'd seen Hermione struggle the way Ron did, I'd be less likely to condemn him for his weakness (because all we've compared him to so far is Harry) in dealing with these awful things.

I probably would have been ill if I'd had to sit through a double ceremony--but it would have been nice to find out what happened to George, if Luna and Neville became a couple at the end (giving us our Professor link).

I wonder who the person was who came to magic late in life and why that was cut.

I was hoping to find out how Regulus found out about the horcrux and what led him to betray Voldemort. Did Slughorn tell him? Did Snape or Slughorn help make the green potion? Kreacher's tale jumped from getting saved from the Inferi to Regulus going with him to switch it out.

The whole spouse question for Hogwarts teachers has always bothered me as well.

I'm prolly the 100th person to ask this...but who performed magic late in life?? Did I miss that, or was it not even there?
Exactly! If the answer was in the book, then I missed it too. Let's hope this may be answered on JKR.com in the future.

GreatUncleAlgie--I know she destroyed one--what I said was I wanted to see it DESCRIBED, the way that Ron's personal battle was described. I think if I'd seen Hermione struggle the way Ron did, I'd be less likely to condemn him for his weakness (because all we've compared him to so far is Harry) in dealing with these awful things.

I probably would have been ill if I'd had to sit through a double ceremony--but it would have been nice to find out what happened to George, if Luna and Neville became a couple at the end (giving us our Professor link).

I wonder who the person was who came to magic late in life and why that was cut.

I suppose Hermione was very rational about it. Once Ron had opened up the sink using parseltongue (not that's something weird), they ran through the catacombs straight to the place where the Basilisk was. She took a fang, pierced the cup, and shouted "OK, that's done. Let's hurry back to help the others, Ron". It was probably not worth describing.

I should also like to add this: The absence of some answers to questions Rowling knew her fans were waiting for make it all the more likely that she is planning to write an encyclopdia. Indeed, it is much better to have a fast-paced story and get all the background details seperately than to have a long-drawn story in which all kinds of questions are answered which are not essential to the plot.

Exactly! If the answer was in the book, then I missed it too. Let's hope this may be answered on JKR.com in the future.I'd bet anything that it is Ted Tonks. We know from OotP that he is a muggle, and in this book he has a wand and tells Harry that he fixed Hagrid's teeth, arms, and ribs or something like that.

1. Continuity error--Am I nuts or did Lupin not explicitly say that "The Prank" of Marauder lore and legend actually occurred in Lily and Severus' sixth year in PoA. If so, the discussion that Lily and Severus had about it was WAY too early (fourth year, just after Prongs, Padfoot, and Wormy mastered Animagus transformations).

2. That leads us to the omission others have talked about--Lily's Potions skills. I think, based on the history and her friendships, it's safe to assume that her skills as a Potioneer were good, maybe even great, but not groundbreaking (in other words, close to--but not much greater than--her son's skills in that subject). So, what's the difference between Lily's realized skill and her son's raw, underdeveloped talent? Answer--Her best friend in Potions class WAS a virtuouso, and he taught her everything he discovered--in fact, some of the better, less harmful discoveries in the Prince's old Potions books were probably worked on WITH Lily. I think he tried to make up his slip of the tongue in Advanced Potions by working with her, and sharing his milder discoveries with her, but the damage was clearly done. I also maintain (and I'd have liked to see something about this) that the countercharm to Sectumsempra--the charmsong that seemed to be so strange coming from Snape to save Draco, was probably Lily's brainstrom--we know that she was a Charms talent).

I noticed that continuity error, too. I was thinking "wait a minute... I thought they were sixth years when James saved Snape's life..." But oh well, it doesn't really matter, I guess.

I love your theory about Lily's charm, though. :) Someone ought to ask JKR about that.

Anyways, like the rest of you I was hoping to see stuff about professor's personal lives, as well as James and Lily's occupations, not to mention the trio's careers, too. I was also hoping for more info about the first war, like how James and Lily thrice defied Voldemort. Also, why did Sirius think that Lupin was the spy before?

Most of all, I wanted to see a subplot about Draco's inner struggles. It was really built up in HBP only to sorta fizzle out in DH, which was a big let down for me.

Apart from all of that, I thought the book was great :).

I probably would have been ill if I'd had to sit through a double ceremony--but it would have been nice to find out what happened to George, if Luna and Neville became a couple at the end (giving us our Professor link).

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Is it just my imagination, or was Luna and Dean getting on rather well at Shell Cottage? I kinda thought those two ended up together just by going on that chapter.

I'd bet anything that it is Ted Tonks. We know from OotP that he is a muggleNo, he's muggle-born, but a wizard, I think. Right?

Ok.....i haven't gone through all of the posts yet so forgive me if someone else has mentioned this...but, what about Lily's exceptional charms power...didn't JKR say that would be a critical revelation or something? Also...HUGE unless I just COMPLETELY missed the explanation....what was the importance of Harry having Lily's eyes!? Exactly her eyes.....i thought this was a big deal...and I know it was talked about a few times, but I don't remember hearing why it was so important that he had her eyes. That I think was my biggest disappointment.

Also i think the epilouge could have been way better. I had trouble for a sec picturing Harry's children while reading the names of passed characters...i kept seeing them instead of the children....and like most people I would have like to find out about careers and such. And also, a little more of the "healing" and what not after the battle.

Oh...and what happened to Voldy's body?? And Snape.....i would have liked to see the reactions of everyone realizing he was not a traitor.

Is it just my imagination, or was Luna and Dean getting on rather well at Shell Cottage? I kinda thought those two ended up together just by going on that chapter.

Yea..that's what I thought too. Remember at Hogwarts when they were filing out of the RoR...Dean turns and takes Luna's hand as they ran up the stairs. :love:

it says that The Trace detects magic going on AROUND the person, this is why no one from the order could do magic at privet drive, cos it would be detected.


But the problem with that is they did magic around him in OoTP at Privet Drive.

I really wanted to see the viel, and the Love Door. Plus Dudley's worst fear, and Harry getting a new pet. And a better Epilogue, it was really lacking.

In light of SSSSSOOOO many unanswered questions, I think that JK should write a HP universe. You know you all have at least one Star Wars universe right? Heck, you probably have a LOTR one too. So, where's the official HP Universe complete 30 Volume set? Available on CD or in Leatherbound volume, yours for only 5 payments of 19.99, plus shipping and handling. Overnight delivery available in US only.

for me i thought there would have been something in there about the viel. I'm not disapointed we obviously didnt need to no.

I was so shocked that the Veil wasn't mentioned in DH. They should have went through the Veil, or to the Love/Locked Room in the DoM.

Where was the signifigance in the green eyes?

I was so shocked that the Veil wasn't mentioned in DH. They should have went through the Veil, or to the Love/Locked Room in the DoM.

Where was the signifigance in the green eyes?

The significance is that Snape was desperately in love in Lily. And he hated James. Harry reminds Snape of James and dislikes him for that, but his green eyes remind him of Lily. That's the significance.

did anyone else think it was odd that neither ron nor ginny had a son named fred? knowing ginny, i would've thought she'd want a son to be named after her brother.

what were their careers?!

did malfoy and harry ever talk?? at the very least a "i see where you're coming from now, but still dislike you" talk was due.

did george continue the joke shop?

what happened to McG (i tried three times to spell her name and it never looked right...McG will have to suffice)?

did kreacher stay at hogwarts or did he move in with harry?

did umbridge finally get smacked across the face? to that end, was she actually a muggleborn?

most importantly, what happened the day after? we saw what happened the first time vold was defeated in the first book, but why not now? i imagine the celebration would've been ten times more extravagant.

oy....so many questions...

I would've like to have know what the professions were and if Ginny and Harry lived at Grimmauld Place?!?!

I need to know who did magic later in life! That one is killing me. Also, I would have liked to see how the Weasleys got on--all of them. They did become, in the end, Harry's true family. He now has brothers and sisters and parents after all, which is just beautiful.

I think she meant Hagrid, because he used hi umbrella wand to fight, yes I know he has done magic before but that stuff doesn't count.

Hagrid coming out riding Fluffy in the Battle. And I expected to see Myrtle. Anyone you were hoping to see but didn't show?

We never got told what Harry's mum and dad did for a living and JK said this was important to the plot.

I wasn't actually referencing their star signs, but thier personalities/ house affiliations. Snape is cool and reserved on the outside but very passionate. He is incredibly loyal, stubborn and an acute politician- therefore his personality is more scorpionic. (In astrology, the sun sign is not that important: the rising sign and placing of the other planets can have a much more influential effect on the personality. If Snape had his Sun in Capricorn, but Scorpio was his rising sign and he had Venus, Mars and Jupiter in Scorpio he'd seem more of a Scorpio than a Capricorn.)

Lily, on the other hand, is brave, stubborn, honest, open, very loving and family orientated, which makes her much more like a Leo than your typical Aquarius, who, western astrology says are cool, detached, logical and somewhat contrary humanitarians.

Leo and Scorpios tend to get on very well together; they both need each other, albiet in different ways. This is what I call the Leo/Scorpio principle. Sorry to have confused you.

Thanks for the explaination! I thought you might have meant something like that.

QUESTIONS!?
1. If Harry and Snape could talk to Dumbledore from his portrait why couldnt harry do that with his ither dead friends and relatives?
2. I think i might have missed it but why can some people become ghosts while the others cannot?

Perhaps a bit more about what happened to certain characters after Voldemort's defeat (like Luna, Hagrid, Dudley...) Kind of like a "where are they now" section (I would've liked to know Harry's job and such)...that could probably fill well more than 1 chapter



most importantly, what happened the day after? we saw what happened the first time vold was defeated in the first book, but why not now? i imagine the celebration would've been ten times more extravagant.



Agreed. That would've been nice to see that parallel...shooting stars, massive amounts of owls, crazy wizards in cloaks running up to Muggles. But also sad after the deaths of some characters (especially Fred)

I wasn't really aware of any theories so I really didn't have any expectations. The only theory that I had heard about was the "It is all a dream" theory...I would have been royally p*ssed.

Wow. :wow: I never noticed that all this stuff was missing until I read it. One thing that really bugged me in the epilogue, even though it's not really important to the plot (but it's important to me!) is the names of Harry's children. All three are named after people that were important to Harry: Lily, James, and Albus (with a middle name of Severus.) I was sure that one of Harry's children would be named Fred, after Ginny's fallen brother. When I realized that they were not, I expected Ron to have named one of his kids Fred. But instead we have Rosie and Hugo, which are either Hermione's parents, or completely made up. Poor Fred. . .

No explanation at all about Sirius's now apparent death. Seeing as how he wasn't really hit with the killing curse, it was never made clear.. I really thought, since answers were not given in the sixth book, that we would fully understand it. I am very disappointed in JK for not explaining.

Also, I really really wanted to see the things Dudley saw when attacked by the dementors.

No explanation at all about Sirius's now apparent death. Seeing as how he wasn't really hit with the killing curse, it was never made clear.. I really thought, since answers were not given in the sixth book, that we would fully understand it. I am very disappointed in JK for not explaining.
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I know! And we never find out about the veil.

I am so bugged about Lily and James' jobs. JK said it was important!

i wanted an answer as to neville's memory problems.

I was curious about how Lily and James made money. I was also curious how things ended for the Ministry of Magic. It was never stated that Kingsley actually did become the new Minister of Magic nor was Harry's "job" revealed.

Definitely the veil.

I wanted to know who the person was that did the magic later in life that JKR was talking about.

Also, how people become ghosts. I thought there will be more of an deeper explanation rather than "people moving on".

Apart from the veil, there is also the door at the end of the corridor in the department of mysteries. I think this is Rowling's Tom Bombadil. Bring it up and make it look significant. Then never mention it again.

I thought there would be more to the epilog. e.g Jobs ect...

I wasn't really aware of any theories so I really didn't have any expectations. The only theory that I had heard about was the "It is all a dream" theory...I would have been royally p*ssed.

Yeah so would a lot of people if that one had turned out to be true.

Teddy is 19 or so and he wasn't gettung on the train, he was on the platform saying goodbye to Victoire. so he wasn't going to Hogwarts.

I think that Crabbe is th eperson who performed magic late in life. Look at the section titled "confirmed information" in all you need to know about book seven and you will see that J.K. said that a person will perform rare magig late in life. She didn't say that it would be a muggle or a squib. Just somebody performing rare magic in a desperate situation. Crabbe was able to conjure Fiendfyre...a supposedly complex spell according to Hermione. Coming from Crabbe this Is especially surprising considering how dumb abd quiet he appears to be. He died because of the spell so it would be considered late in life. Any thoughts?

Well, you pretty much summed everything up- so I don't have to write it all over:D

Apart from the Dudley's Dementor thing, which is quite uninteresting to me ( a suggestion: an empty fridge? ), everything else I should very much have liked to see. Especially the love between Harry and Ginny...so disappointing, as it is :(

Yes yes the effing veil. I've been waiting for that since OotP, and it really infuriates me. If there wasn't more to it then why introduce it at all? JKR does a nice job of making certain details the tip of the iceberg in one book and then revealing their entirety in the next, but for some reason (which I'd really like to know) she decided that this gun wasn't going to be fired in the second act.
Also, whatever happened to Luna? no job no spouse no epilogue mention? Wasn't she supposed to be one of her favorite characters?

I was curious about how Lily and James made money. I was also curious how things ended for the Ministry of Magic. It was never stated that Kingsley actually did become the new Minister of Magic nor was Harry's "job" revealed.
Yay, you summed my thought up Kim.
James and Lily jobs
Ministry of Magic-love room and veil
Minister of Magic, Kingsley?
Harry and friends jobs

There so much unanswered, I could write another book. My biggest are:
Why Voldemort would give 2 cents to let Lily live for Snape when he doesn't understand love?
What was the purpose of fawkes making noises in HBP?
Why did Wormtail betray Lily and James, i.e. what power did Voldemort use over him?
What's the purpose of even introducing Felix Felicis if all it was going to be used for was a deux ex machina to get the memory from Slughorn?
Why would someone so in love with Lily, try and get her son expelled from school?

I could go on and on. Don't get me wrong! I loved the book and the fact that many of my theories turned out incorrect I am fine with. I was alway open to the idea she could go this direction, I just thought she would have provided better explanations to the questions above if she did. Maybe they are in there and I overlooked them. :shrug:

1) The veil definitely for me.

2) How Harry acquired all his money in his vault (he got it from his parents, but what did his parents do to make themselves so wealthy?)

3) The person who was to use magic much later in life.

4) What Dudley saw...I was DYING to know at first, but now I can kind of see why it would be left out if it wasn't that significant.

That's all I can think of at the moment...

Though the book was just incredible, there was so much that I was expecting that didn't turn up.

The Veil
More about the Department of Mysteries
What Lily and James actually did for a living
What Dudley saw
The person who would do magic late in life
If any of the Hogwarts professors were married or had children

I missed the veil, for the most part. Also, the epilouge was a bit brief. I wanted to find out Harry, Ron, Hermoine, and Ginny's occupations as well as what main things occurred in the nineteen year jump. I would have been interested in more relationships, and find out if Neville and Luna hooked up? I wanted detailed information in Hermoine and Ron's relationship and Harry and Ginny's.

I still had many questions at the end, most in this thread.

However, wasn't the veil mentioned, indirectly, with the description of the Resurection Stone? It described the people who came back as being behind a veil.

I thought that all of the Hogwarts houses would be united in the end. I was surprised and disappointed when Albus Severus didn't want to be in Slytherin.

Also curious about what happened to Stan Shunpike.

I was really hoping that the loyalties of the Giant Squid would have been given. Are we to Trust him or not? I think trust him and it could have easily been shown at the battle of Hogwarts. All he needed to do was reach a few tenticales out of the water grab a couple of DEs and have a nice meal.

1) The veil definitely for me.

To me, that was what Kings Cross actually was, it was in the In-Between Life and Death realm beyond the veil, and with Harry and Voldemort both being on the brink of death at that time, I think it fits well.

2) How Harry acquired all his money in his vault (he got it from his parents, but what did his parents do to make themselves so wealthy?)

3) The person who was to use magic much later in life.

The person who performed magic later in life to me was Dudley. Because he learnt to Love; as this according to Dumbledore is the most powerful magic of all.

4) What Dudley saw...I was DYING to know at first, but now I can kind of see why it would be left out if it wasn't that significant.

Again this is kinda obvious, read the chapter again and you can have a good guess!

Heres some of my answers to your questions, in bold.

I was waiting for Ron to propose to Hermione. That would have been uber cute. I was also looking forward to seeing Remus and Tonk's wedding, that would've been cool, and also seeing how George reacted to Fred's death. I mean, we all saw that he was distraught and sitting by Fred's head while he mourned him, but we never got more information. I mean, for George losing Fred must have felt like half of himself dying. He went everywhere and did everything with Fred, and then all of a sudden, Fred's gone. It would've been terribly depressing and interesting to read about his reaction. D:

Did you all catch the reference to the veil? It happens during the story of the Three Brothers:

To his amazement and his delight, the figure of the girl he had once hoped to marry, before her untimely death, appeared at once before him. Yet she was sad and cold, spearated from him as by a veil...

Sirius fell through the barrier between life and death and there is no coming back. Even if you have the Resurrection Stone, it fails to bring back the dead. There will always be the veil between life and death.

It was explained to my satisfaction.


Most of the things I want answers to don't really matter to the storyline. They are things Jo said we would learn, like about the teacher's marriages, Lily's profession, etc.

I think Ivyagogo has it - I caught the veil reference as well, and I think Ivy put it well. I don't think it has anything to do with Kings cross tho.

As for the fortune, I can surmise that well enough. Harry was descended from the Peverells - James got the cloak handed down, why not gold?

As for Voldemort letting Lily live for love - it was my impression (based on LV's response to Harry in the final battle) that Snape had downplayed it. I do not think Snape ever asked him to save someone he loved; more likely, he probably offhandedly requested LV to save a woman he desired, which LV might have both understood and been inclined to grant as a reward for a good lieutenant.

A thought just occured to me? Has JKR deliberately left parts out of the final book, giving us a chance to work them out for ourselves. We have seen from Book 7 speculation how many plots we guessed; RAB, Harrycrux, Snape loved lily etc. Maybe there is alot more to the book that meets the eye? Are we supposed to figure out Lily and James Professions? The Ford Anglia? The Veil is the one ill take a stab at....

I believe the Veil is the Ministry's attempt at the Ressurection stone. They are trying to repeat the effects, but so far have been unsuccessful. Sure you can pass through to speak to the dead, but you aren't coming back. They have created what appears to be a one-way window to the dead, and have been trying to figure out how to reverse it's effects.

Anyone else got theories to the Unanswered Questions left from the end of book 7? Im especially interested in the Ford Anglia, I thought we were going to get to see it again. I'm certain it's not in reference to the Epilouge and Ron.....

Originally posted by ivyagogo
It was explained to my satisfaction.
Mine too. Indeed, I never expected JKR are to elaborate on the veil. It always seemed quite straightforward to me; it was, as you say, 'the barrier between life and death'. That is what the Unspeakables were studying in the DoM.

One thing I did expect to be explained in passing was how Voldemort's original wand was returned to him after he was ripped from his body when trying to kill Harry. He was 'mere shadow and vapour', so surely he couldn't take it with him? Yet come GoF it's back in his hand.

I also expected Madam Maxime to put in an appearance. I'm amazed she didn't even warrant a mention (or even an invite to Fleur's wedding!).

I too felt the epilogue failed to live up to expectation in terms of the amount of information it revealed. Hopefully JKR will write that encyclopedia we all crave and fill in all the blanks. :)

I was expecting a bigger secret from both Petunia and Snape, but I'm satisfied! :)

I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but were we not supposed to find out who was at Godric's Hollow the night that James and Lily died and who retrieved Voldy's wand? When JKR was asked if someone else was there, she said "No comment". Did that mean that there was or wasn't someone there?

And I thought we were supposed to learn about James and Lily's professions...hmm, and how The Potters and The Longbottoms thrice defied the Dark Lord. Hmm...:grumble:

I always was suspicious of the creaky stair in the Dursley's house. Surely, Petunia would have had a creeky stair fixed. I thought there might be something hidden under there. Guess not.

I wanted to know more about James and Lily in regards to their life together, their jobs, etc.

I wanted to know a lot more about Aunt Petunia and I wanted to know Dudley's worst memory.

I wanted more from Snape but i liked what i got.

I really really wanted a scene in the "locked room"

I thought I would find out why some wizards become ghosts and some don't.

Harry asked Nearly Headless Nick that question at the end of OoP (or beginning of HBP) and it had to do with having unfinished business. That was enough closure on the subject to solidify that Sirius=dead and gone.

A few things I was expecting or would have liked to see...

1) Dumbledore had his picture in the headmaster's office almost immediately after his death. Was Snape's picture in there by the time the battle was over? I would have loved to see the exchange between Snape and Harry after Voldy had been defeated and after Harry knew the truth about Snape.

2) Neville's parents. I thought those gum wrappers mom kept giving him would mean something. I also thought St. Mungo's was hiding something...

3) Why did Ron wait 19 years to get a Muggle driver license?

4) Who would marry Draco? And Scorpius is such a great Malfoy name. Way over the top and trying to be all sinister-like. We certainly didn't expect him to name his son Harry Ron Malfoy, now did we?

5) A killing curse wasn't used to kill Sirius in the book but it was in the movie. I have accepted that Sirius is dead (finally) but I would love details!

6) Nothing much else. Oh yeah, nothing except for more about Lily's childhood, the scoop on the life and work of James and Lily and the rest of Harry's friends and classmates, fates of the Death Eaters, events in the days and weeks right after the battle, where the Dursleys were taken and how they remained safe, etc etc etc.

JK could give us an entire encyclopedia and we would still want more. That is the beauty of the world she created. But with that said, I DO want the encyclopedia. Soon. :drool:

The only thing I was a little disapointed with was that we never revisited the details surrounding Sirius' death.
The veil is a very mysterious object that was never elaborated.

Oh, and one other thing...how did Luna's mother die?

I wish we would have found out what happened to Florean Fortescue. His name wasn't even mentioned once.

besides the most popular choice of hoping to see more of the department of mysteries, i was honestly expecting and hoping to see Fawkes at some point. it just seemed like he played such a crucial role in determining loyalty to dumbledore. i also was a little surprised and disappointed by the epilogue, i see the importance of showing harry's kids but 19 years is so random and overall it just left out too many beloved characters!

I was expecting the book to be a little sappier than it was. I thought the Ron/Hermione stuff overshadowed the Harry/Ginny stuff and I thought that was unfortunate, considering the fact that Harry deserves to be happy more than almost anyone else in the series. I was also hoping that the Neville/Luna ship would float, but I guess I wasn't really expecting that.

I didn't expect Hedwig to die; I thought we were actually going to see something interesting from her. I expected to see more of Pettigrew, not just to see him take mercy on Harry and then die. I expected to see some more interesting stuff from Ginny. I was expecting them to go more places on there horcrux hunt rather than them spending most of their time in a tent. None of that happened. Don't get me wrong, I was really happy with how the book turned out, but there were a fair number of things I thought would happen that didn't.

Although a lot was explained for me, these are the maor plot holes that I still wonder about (which I hope are covered in her encyclopedia about the series)

* What did Dudley see/hear during the Dementor Attack?
* What special powers did Ginny possess? She had proven to be a great witch, but was there more?
* What skills did Lily possess in potions that Slughorn held so highly?
* The mysteries of the Department of Mysteries. I thought those would have been involved more in DH. For example the veil, the room with all of the brains...
* Did Harry ever fullfill his dream of becomming an auror, or did he just retire happily shortly after the fall of Voldemort?
* What exactly happened to Luna's mother?

I was expecting the book to be a little sappier than it was. I thought the Ron/Hermione stuff overshadowed the Harry/Ginny stuff and I thought that was unfortunate, considering the fact that Harry deserves to be happy more than almost anyone else in the series. I was also hoping that the Neville/Luna ship would float, but I guess I wasn't really expecting that.


I don't think this is true. I don't see one bit how Ron and Hermione's relatonship overshadowed Harry and Ginny's. Harry and Ginny had their rommance in HBP, and that is when it was established, and it was not able to flourish to potential in DH because of Harry's journey, and Ginny was in school. But, that doesn't mean that he didn't think about her at all. And Ron and Hermione have been experienced Unresolved tension between them for about 6 years, and it was finally time---they both grew up and matured, and their relationship was ready to start where Harry and Ginny's did a year earlier.

Although Harry is my favorite character, I don't think that he has the right to be happier than say his best friends Ron and Hermione. Although he deserves to be happy, the people that stood by him 100% no matter what also deserve just as much happiness. The only part where Ron and Hermione's relationship played out more is when Harry didn't talk much to Ginny after the final battle, but that was because he knew he had his whole life to talk to her, to explain to her what his mission was. And though it wasn't shown on page, he was truely happy. (And maybe the book about all the background info that JKR said she may eventually write will share more of this moment and weddings and what not in it).

I would have liked to have seen more about James and Lilys professions. It was good to get a little back story on Lily this time around, it seemed we found out so much about James in books 1-6.
I thought that the person who performs magic late in life would have been more obvious (as to who this person is, I still dont know.)
I also wondered what happened to fawkes. My memory might get the best of me seeing as Im tired, but I dont remember what happened to him after Dumbles funeral.

I definitely thought we'd get an explanantion of what was the veil about that Sirius fell through. I wanted to know about Harry's (and all the other's) further carreers, whether the three friends completed their education after Voldemort's fall, what they did after that... what happened to surviving death eaters like Lucius Malfoy and Draco... were they punished at all? I loved the book, but I wish it was twice as big and all the questions answered...

Yeah. Doesn't the use of an unforgivable curse land you a life-long sentence in Azkaban? Shouldn't Draco have been imprisoned for life?

They all celebrated with the Malfoy family just sitting there. Why didn't they round them up? Does Narcissa get a reprieve for helping Harry and repenting? Lucious had to end up in Azkaban - He had to!

A few things I was expecting or would have liked to see...

1) Dumbledore had his picture in the headmaster's office almost immediately after his death. Was Snape's picture in there by the time the battle was over? I would have loved to see the exchange between Snape and Harry after Voldy had been defeated and after Harry knew the truth about Snape.

2) Neville's parents. I thought those gum wrappers mom kept giving him would mean something. I also thought St. Mungo's was hiding something...

3) Why did Ron wait 19 years to get a Muggle driver license?

4) Who would marry Draco? And Scorpius is such a great Malfoy name. Way over the top and trying to be all sinister-like. We certainly didn't expect him to name his son Harry Ron Malfoy, now did we?

5) A killing curse wasn't used to kill Sirius in the book but it was in the movie. I have accepted that Sirius is dead (finally) but I would love details!

6) Nothing much else. Oh yeah, nothing except for more about Lily's childhood, the scoop on the life and work of James and Lily and the rest of Harry's friends and classmates, fates of the Death Eaters, events in the days and weeks right after the battle, where the Dursleys were taken and how they remained safe, etc etc etc.

JK could give us an entire encyclopedia and we would still want more. That is the beauty of the world she created. But with that said, I DO want the encyclopedia. Soon. :drool:

I second that! but to elaborate on #3 Why did he get a Muggle License?

And also those missing 24 hours would have been nice. And I am still a bit confussed on the exact workings of the secret keeper thing. I know she explained on her website but something just isn't sitting right with me and how it was working out in DH.

A few things I was expecting or would have liked to see...

3) Why did Ron wait 19 years to get a Muggle driver license?


hey man, if u lived in london, u wouldn't want to drive either!

to add to your list, i thought there'd be:

1. fawkes!
2. more from DOM
3. more about the founders

God, i really hope Jo answers all these plot holes in the encyclopedia, i think it will finally allow us to have some sort of closure, that epilogue was not enough. 19 years later? should have been a few months.
i wish she could read this thread, it presents almost every question nearly all the Potter fans in the world want answered.

come on Jo, we need answers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to those who have seen this same post all over but I'm trying to spread the word:

I was satisfied with DH. I need to reread it again of course because I was terribly tired when I finished it. But I was happy with the end except for a few things which I thought were obscenely missing from the book. And I don't mean some little answer to a small question but rather a few scenes which I thought were entirely necessary to wrap up the story neatly. Normally Rowling winds the story down with the explanatory talk. Normally Dumbledore or someone else has sat Harry down after all the hooplah of the story and the details are finely cleared up. This time around, after Harry visited Dumbledore's portrait, the story just abruptly ends. I feel that was a BIG mistake of Rowling's to do that.

What I personally feel is missing, and I have heard others quite agree, is further story on Snape. Many were hoping for a one-on-one with Snape and never found it. The only interaction between Harry and Snape were the brief moments before his death. I know many were hoping for some duel or something, but we were not even treated to any sort of conversation.

Basically, everyone wants to know what Severus thinks of Harry now that Voldemort is gone and he no longer has to play a role and now that Lily has been avenged and Harry knows Severus' big secret. Does Severus have a higher opinion of Harry? Is it possible that Severus finally cared for Harry as Lily's son, or did he die still thinking of Harry as "Potter's kid?"

Furthermore, with Severus' murder being rather unceremonious and Harry having to clear his name by yelling out Severus' secret to Voldemort, and with everyone finally knowing the truth that Severus was very brave and did the most for the Order, many of the fans seem to think there should have been a grander moment for Severus. A time where everyone came to realize the error of their thoughts about him.

What I personally think should have been included which would have cleared up the issues I have above is the following:

A) I think that Harry, before going up to the headmaster's office after defeating Voldemort, should have gone back to the Shrieking Shack, magicked Severus' body into the air, guided him back to the castle, and placed his body in the Great Hall along with the other victims. As he did this, I would have preferred it if everyone saw Harry doing this, turned silent, and just watched in awe. I mean, the great shock to everyone that the man they thought was almost as bad as Voldemort himself turned out to be Harry's big protector! Then McGonagall, Ron, and Hermione would come over and ask Harry how he learned the truth about Severus. Harry would explain that he witnessed Voldemort attack Severus with Nagini, that he went to his side after Voldemort disappeared, that Severus' memories flooded out of him and he told Harry to take them, that he died wanting to look into Harry's eyes because he has his mother's eyes, and that he, Harry, finally suspected he may have been wrong about Severus, and that he learned the truth when he saw the memories in the Pensieve. He would briefly explain to McGonagall that they had all been wrong and that Dumbledore had asked Severus to kill him when the time came, and that the reason Dumbledore trusted him was because Severus cared so much for Lily and had been wanting to avenge her death ever since he realized he had gotten her targeted by Voldemort. It would have been nice to get McGonagall's commentary on this. She would pass this on to those in the Order obviously.

B) I think that following the explanation to McGonagall, Harry, Ron, and Hermione should have gone up to the headmaster's office as they did, spoke to Dumbledore's portrait about the wand, discussed Voldemort's downfall briefly, but for the extra bit that Rowling should have included, I think Dumbledore should have then directed Harry towards a portrait elsewhere in the room where Harry would find Severus Snape in the frame, and as Harry approached, Severus would simply say "Well done, Potter" in a sort of curt way. Harry would then nod and say thanks. Then, feeling uncertain, Harry would burst out with "Sir, I am so sorry about everything" and Severus would sort of consider Harry for a moment and then tell him crisply, "I believe I owe you an apology as well, Potter." Then they would sort of stare for a moment before Harry says, "Professor, thank you for giving me your memories of my mother. You have given me more of her than anyone else ever could have." Then Severus would sort of lower his guard a bit more, become somewhat choked up, then say, "Lily was my best friend, Harry. My only friend. You avenged her death. Thank you." And the telling part of that is that he would have for the first time ever, addressed Harry by his first name. Harry would then respond with, "Sir, I - I brought your body back from the Shrieking Shack. If you would like, I could have you buried near my mother in Godric's Hollow." Then Severus would look very odd, as though looking at Harry for the first time, then he would nod silently as a tear falls down his cheek.

And that my friends, is what I wish I COULD have read at the end of Deathly Hallows. Instead, stuff of that sort was nowhere to be found!!!

Personally, I think the best way to fix this would be for the last film to portray something along these lines. I think it would be wise for the producers to show Harry returning Severus' body to Hogwarts and everyone's silently staring faces in the Great Hall, and then also a chat with Severus' portrait in the headmaster's office. And Severus should have received a portrait because he was allowed into the office. Umbridge took over and was locked out of the office, yet Severus was rightfully headmaster as he was able to change the password to the office to "Dumbledore." I think where it says he was "appointed" headmaster, it meant that Severus was legitimately appointed headmaster in that perhaps the school governors were forced to appoint him. Nevertheless, the facts show that he seems to have served a legitimate time period as headmaster and so Severus should have had a portrait!!!! Why didn't Rowling include a scene with Harry talking to him??????

Point being, I think it would be wise for the producers, director, and screenwriter to include these two important "special" scenes in the film. It would add a kind of closure to that relationship. I mean, we know Harry thinks highly of him when he's older, but it is not clear what Severus thinks of Harry and I think it would be important to show Severus lowering his guard and finally saying he approves of the kid. And I think what I wrote above would be a good way of conveying it. Especially because we learned from Dumbledore's portrait that the headmaster portraits are extra special in that they're not just an imprint of the person but really seem to have a bit of that person there. I mean, if Dumbledore was able to give Severus guidance as to getting the sword to Harry, and could talk to Harry at the end, then I think it is quite feasable that a Severus portrait would have sufficed in providing that conversation I wrote above which I wish I could have read.

actually now that i think about it, i know that the muggle boys mentioned this in mugglecast 101, but its still really bugging me, in interviews and when answering other questions even though she said that snape wasn't there, she heavily implied that there was someone else there at Godric's Hollow, the night that the potters died, that would've helped explained some things, either how volde's wand was retrieved or how dumbledore came to know what happened so soon.

i really loved that theory that harry had used time travel to go back, but couldn't do anything because that would alter the events afterwards.

Jo is such a tease, she just didn't state outright that there was no one else there at Godrics Hollow and let us continue speculating.

I thought we would see some unusally strong power from Ginny.
Thought the trio would go back to Hogwarts for school.
At the end I was hoping to find out more about all the main characters

I wanted to see if Cho and Harry ever became at least friends, and was dying for a conversation between Harry and Draco in the Epilogue. I'm glad that there weren't 8 endings like in LOTR because JK can do that in an encyclopedia. It would be too long, all we really need to know is that Harry's life turned out good after all. What a great series, know start writing JK, make something else! :p


Well, I think it really should have been Cho instead of Luna to take Harry to the tower, so they could have a bit talk, you know, revealing that Cho stopped being a emotional rollercoster after all and she too was ready to fight, ready to protect Hogwarts, and had always been a part of DA, and that she cared for Harry all along. Being friend with your first every crush is something nice, as it seems to me.

And, yes, Draco. I would be really touched to see that they melt the ice. No grudge between houses and about the old days. I'd love to see them all united, if not, at least, sort of friendly.

And, really, I still don't get it why Harry could survive with Lily dying for him, nor why all of them were protected with Harry meaning to die for them, we were wondering what extraodinary power Lily had right from the beginning, and yet I don't know till the very end.... I mean, hey, is it really, just, love?

There are lots of things that i would have loved to see, and this is why I was kind of dissapointed with the book.

1. confrontations. There are so many characters that have a history with one another, and I was expected to see last verbal or duelling confrontations. Lupin and Bellatrix, Lupin and Snape, Lupin and Wormtail and most of all Lupin and Greyback. Harry and Snape. Neville and Bellatrix etc. In the end absolutely nothing.

2. More of Ginny. Didn't she say that Ginny was a very powerful witch? Well, we did not see any of that.

3. More of Lupin. Starting with book 5 I kept waiting for him to play a role in the books. But nothing. With the history and the connections he had with other characters he should have had something to do in DH. In the end JK made him have a child, so that he was totally out of the picture, taking care of the baby and in the end he died, without even seeing how. Really dissapointing

4. More of the marauders. Need i say more?

well, TONS of things that I'm too lazy to write right now (the book was awesome and satisfying, but i wouldnt have minded some more info) but MOST importantly...

1 HUGE death that would rip me apart, there were some potentially devestating deaths in the story, but none of the bigger 1s were described. What made Sirius' and DD's deaths have such an impact was that we saw them actually happen and gasped in our heads and went on to read as fast as we could the following pages praying to get to that 1 page where they wake up again, looking for that glimmer of hope... but in DH, all the major deaths, we only heard about, like:

**SPOILER**













Moody
Lupin
Tonks









**END SPOILER**


I really wanted to see how those ppl died, other than that, pretty much everything everybody else here said, and even some more stuff.

- I expected to find out about Harry's career.

- I wanted to know more of the "pairings" - (i.e. did Luna end up with Dean Thomas?)

- I wanted to know about the future of the joke shop - did Ron step up and join George?

- What happened to Umbridge?

Looking forward to the encyclopedia!

I thought there would be some significance with the GREEN EYES of both Lily and Harry...it was hinting throughout the whole of the series but nothing was concluded

I thought Ginny and Harry's love for one another would be the key to defeating Voldemort because love was something he couldnt defeat.

I also thought we would see more from Ginny...significantly the seventh and most powerful child??

I thought the veil and the Mirror of Erised would appear again

Also i thought JK mentioned that someone would produce magic very late on in life in this book, someone we didnt expect to see use magic?

Although a lot was explained for me, these are the maor plot holes that I still wonder about (which I hope are covered in her encyclopedia about the series)

* What skills did Lily possess in potions that Slughorn held so highly?
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If Snape and Lily were such close friends, I would assume that all the notes in Snapes Potions book in HBP were notes he took from Lily, reflecting that she had a natural instinct about potions. The book reflected what she did without instruction, and was the foreshadowing of how close the two were.

I definitely thought we'd get an explanantion of what was the veil about that Sirius fell through. ...



The Veil as a gate is an ancient symbol which you encounter when looking at the Tarot Deck. Card 2, The High Priestess, sits in front of a veil that covers the Mysteries that our logic cannot fathom out. And I guess, Death is one of them.

I thought there would be some significance with the GREEN EYES of both Lily and Harry...it was hinting throughout the whole of the series but nothing was concluded

The last thing Snape did was looking into Harry's green eyes though, I think that those eyes and the rememberance of Lily's eyes were vital at times for Snape to get through with his mission.

I missed the Veil and the person to produce magic later in life. Fawkes too, I had expected him to turn up, but I guess he really left because he only belonged to Dumbledore.

A good punishment for Umbridge.

Oh and of course the importance of Squiddy. Why mention him in nearly every book and never give him his moment of glory ;)

I'm sure most of you have read on the mugglenet website that JKR has said she is 'probably' going to write an encyclopedia of Harry's world and exactly what happen's to everyone. So alot more stuff will be answered. JKR says in the interview that she has already started because all the stuff is in her notes (hopefully we'll get in few years after she has had a well deserved break).

What I missed most though was the person who does magic late in life. JKR will probably say "It was this person. What!?!? You didn't realise that? It was soooo obvious!" :lol:

For me, once Voldy was defeated, and Harry was still alive. I was waiting for him to announce his love for Ginny. I've wanted to see how welcoming Molly Weasley was to having Harry join the family. For Harry to be able to call Molly 'mom' and be included completely in the Weasley's Family.

This opinion interests me greatly, mainly because I've read the books in a completely different way. In POA Molly and Arthur argue about telling Harry about Sirius, with Molly saying something along the lines of "he's as good as" when Arthur says "he's not your son". Whilst undoubtedly Molly may feel like that, and Arthur no doubt loves Harry too, I always got the feeling that Harry would *always* be isolated from the normal family life as per the Weasleys. I think Harry would have loved them dearly but never considered himself part of the family. His dead parents cast such an important shadow over his teenage years that he could never call Molly 'mum'.

Furthermore, he and Voldemort always had to conclude their struggle on an even, one-against-one footing - again, isolated. The parallel is in both of their characters being, to some extent, isolated from birth and always feeling ostracised, even in what they most regard their home (Hogwarts). I think there would have been far too much emotion to comprehend for Harry to do anything as rash as suddenly announce love for Ginny - his previous adventures tended to end up with him wanting to be alone at least for a little while.

There were so many things actually.

1.) I was wondering what Dudley saw when the dementors almost kissed him.
2.) She said that there was something to do with the cats, and I must have missed it.
3.) I also thought that Harry was going to have a new pet.
4.) I was disappointed that we did not find out what happened to Fauxe.
5.) I also thought that there would be more about Lily and Petunia, what we saw was not what i thought it would be.
6.) I was also disappointed that we did not get to see more of what happened immediately after the war. I was expecting to see how everyone dealt with it.

All I really wanted to know about was the veil.

I thought that we'd find out what "Remember my last, Petunia," meant, because I don't remember figuring that one out. Did I miss it?

Anyways, I agree, I thought we'd find out more about Dudley's attack.

Sort. The last was the letter that Dumbledore left with Harry when he put the baby on the doorstep. We learn in DH that Petunia had written to Dumbledore when Lily was invited to go to Hogwarts because she wanted to go to and Dumbledore had sent a kind letter back to her.

I also though there would be a better explanation of what happened to Sirius, he is obviously dead since he showed up with the rest of the dead, but how did the veil kill him?



The Veil didn't kill Sirius ... Bellatrix's A.K. curse did. The Veil took his body.

i was thinking and teddy lupin is too old to go back to hogwarts in the epilogue isnthe, i figure hes about 20

thats 3 years older than a 7th year

Teddie is 19. He was only a couple months old when Voldemort died and the epilogue is 19 years later. (Here was born around March so September first he would be 19 1/2.) He isn't going back to Hogwart's. The text said he was there to see Vittoire off (she is probably a the or 7th year student at that point).

All I really wanted to know about was the veil.


I believe the Veil is the Ministry's attempt at the Ressurection stone. They are trying to repeat the effects, but so far have been unsuccessful. Sure you can pass through to speak to the dead, but you aren't coming back. They have created what appears to be a one-way window to the dead, and have been trying to figure out how to reverse it's effects.

I have one quick thing to say, and would love it if I wasn't the only thing that wondered this throughout. Where was H/G?

Harry/Ginny was in the book. Ginny snogged Harry senseless on his birthday. Ron told Harry to stay away from Ginny so he doesn't hurt her more. Harry thinks about Ginny alot on his journey ... watching her dot on the Mauraders Map, wondering about her at Christmas when they see Luna's father, worried about her at the battle of Hogwarts. And Ginny is the one Harry thinks about as he is walking to his death.

I thought that one of the characters (preferably the Dursley family) would "show magical powers late in age." I, too, thought that we were going to see Dudley's greatest fear (which I think was Harry :D). There were probably more, I just can't think of them all now :D.

One thing I really wanted to know, a small detail maybe, but one Jo decided not to put on obviously, was what was the spell that Dumbledore used on Voldemort in the Ministry. I've always been curious about that, and she said that we may get to learn what that was, think i've still got to wait to find out what that was..bring on the encylopedia.

I don't know if this is really a missing plot, but once the seventh book began this subplot seemed vital, yet never answered.

In the sixth book Dumbledore said that Voldemort had employed Occlumency to prevent Harry from looking into his mind to see important information (such as the location of the final horcrux). This held true the entire 6th book. Why then, did this telepathic connection re-open in the seventh book?

I thought Ginny and Harry's love for one another would be the key to defeating Voldemort because love was something he couldnt defeat.

I also thought we would see more from Ginny...significantly the seventh and most powerful child??

That is what I was also expecting, to have some kickass moment by Ginny, fighting as a powerful young witch.

And Voldermort finding out about Harry and Ginny, and there would be suspense filled confrontation bet them, with Ginny as a hostage. Yeah, it's sort of cheesy but I really wished there would be more H/G moments. Harry and Ginny hooking up again, and her family's happiness for him officially being a part of the family.

As some have mentioned, a somber, heartwrenching funeral for those that gave their lives for the good. Crying would be cathartic, us saying goodbye to those great lovable characters (Fred, Lupin, Tonks, Madeye, Collin, etc).

Too bad, I was thinking that since this is the last in the series, Jo will endulge her fans, more information about the future. But the plan to write the enclyclopedia won, so I guess, that's the reason so many were cut off.

Anyway, thank you Jo for this wonderful ride.

MWBashful18, What a really nice wrap up you've thought of. I too, would have liked to see Harry tell Snape he realized he was wrong, and for just a glimpse of a softening of Snape toward Harry.

Besides the many other things mentioned by people, which I echo = the veil, the magic late in life, etc., I expected more international cooperation, as Dumbledore tried to inspire in GOF. I expected Viktor Krum to be more involved than simply a guest appearance at the wedding to inspire suspicion of Lovegood. I expected Durmstrang and Beauxbatons to arrive with reinforcements to help Hogwarts. I expected Fawkes to have another important role as Dumbledore's loyal pet. I thought ALL Hagrid's creatures would become important - the nifflers, the Blast-ended Skrewt (one surviving one), the bowtruckles, unicorns, etc. I thought all the plants they'd learned would be used (some were, I know.)

I also expected a return of the Dursleys at the end - after all, they always were at the end of every book, except 6, I think. I thought Harry might have formed a sort of relationship with Dudley after their conversation. I also thought that when Jo said there would be more to Petunia, that it wouldn't just be that she was jealous of Lily's magic, that was already obvious. I thought she might actually break down and show some love for Harry, beyond keeping up the blood protection by letting him stay.

I am inclined to think that Rowling's statemetn that someone would do magic relatively late in life in a moment of desperation does apply to Crabbe, as unsatisfying as that is. We've never actually seen Crabbe or Goyle do spells, have we? Oh yes, we have, they have jinxed (or tried to) Harry on the train, I guess. But we've never seen them do really powerful magic like that Fiendfyre. It was surprising. I think Jo's a master of twisting words so we'll interpret them a certain way and this is an example.

If such a climactic battle hadn't already been done, I could almost say there's enough for an eighth book. Certainly the mysteries of the veil and that locked room would be intriguing. I honestly expected the Deathly Hallows to be a place and the veil to be the entrance to it. I kind of like that better, to be honest, than what they turned out to be.

And, I really thought she'd give us a resurrection - that the defeat of Voldemort, and of death, would bring back to life some of those we'd lost. Returning to the whole "guardian ghosts help Harry in a near-death moment" seemed like a cop-out, a let down, once he'd finally joined the three hallows. I wanted some more spectacular result.

I'll have to read the book again, later, once I've accepted that HP is over, to really decide my final opinion of it.
I am quite pleased about the outcomes of Harry, Snape, and Voldemort.

I didn't have many expectations, to be honest.

I really expected Fawkes to play a major role in Book 7 ... I was disappointed not to see him.

why DD wishes not to be remove from the chocolate frogs ?
I though he may have comunicate with Harry like a portable portrait
(yeah I know I make a fixation on chocolate frogs but I miss chocolate right now !)

Maybe he was referring to when Petunia wrote him and tried to get into Hogwarts? :3

I agree, I thought that there might be something more to it... but maybe that letter is the one...

i was thinking and teddy lupin is too old to go back to hogwarts in the epilogue isnthe, i figure hes about 20

thats 3 years older than a 7th year



I know! I was thinking the same. But maybe he became a teacher? though I find it weird, because he was snogging Victoire in the train

No, James said that Teddy had said that he was coming to see Victoire off - so, Victoire is at Hogwarts and Teddy isn't

I take it that Victoire is Bill and Fleur's daughter because of the French name???

I was expeting a battle of some kind here, I know some important stuff came out of it, but I was wondering if anybody else expected something more from the wedding, was anybody else disappointed with it.

The most I got out of it was that I hated Ron's Aunt Muriel and would have loved to have met thier Uncle Bilius and watched him pull flowers out of his, well anyways a real charmer thier Uncle.

I didn't see what Dumbledore called "a fate worse that death" to Voldemort at the ministry.
I was also expecting more about the phoenix thing that flashed out of Dumbledore's grave at his funeral.

I am inclined to think that Rowling's statemetn that someone would do magic relatively late in life in a moment of desperation does apply to Crabbe, as unsatisfying as that is.

That would mean he'd be able to pass 6 years of D.A.D.A., including an OWL, without being able to cast any magic what-so-ever.

The Veil didn't kill Sirius ... Bellatrix's A.K. curse did. The Veil took his body.

The A.K. is according to the movie, not the book.

right, this may be in another thread but i cant find it. can someone please please explain to me 2 things:
1) what was the flaw in the plan? and

2) what did happen on the night lily and james died in godrics hallow? (did someone witness it?/ how did voldemort regain his wand exactly?/ how did the wizarding world knoiw he was gone, but dumbledore knew perhaps not forever?/ and finally what did dumbledore do in that 'lost day'?

please please please could someone give some answers as i understand the rest of the book pretty completely but these 2 things are bothering me.

thankyou

To be honest i thought that Voldemort would become a ghost after death, he's so afraid of dying.

1) what was the flaw in the plan?

Dumbledore wanted the Elder Wand to end with him. It wanted Snape to catch it with dumbledore's "blessing", so the power of the wand would have gone away with Dumbledore's death.
Anyway, Draco takes the wand from dumbledore, not snape, and Harry takes Draco's wand, so becomes the master of the Elder Wand and is able to kill voldemort.

what did happen on the night lily and james died in godrics hallow? (did someone witness it?/ how did voldemort regain his wand exactly?/ how did the wizarding world knoiw he was gone, but dumbledore knew perhaps not forever?/ and finally what did dumbledore do in that 'lost day'?

Nobody witness it. Wormtail takes the wand. Dumbledore knew or suspected Voldemort to have made the Horcrux, while the Wizarding World was sure he was gone because... well, he was there no more.
In the lost day, i think, Dumbledore spoke with Snape, and understand why Harry survived (Lily's sacrifice).

I expected the Veil and the locked room of the DoM to be in there, among other things.

Well, I know this is going to sound harsh, so am really sorry JKR, but I expected a better epilogue. It was great knowing what happened afterwards, but the characters weren't convincing, apart from Ron, Hermione and the Malfoys.

Plus, where was Snape's portrait??? lol

When Harry walked into the Headmaster's Office, I expected Harry to at least notice that Snape's portrait was watching him, or something like that lol. But no Snape. Hmmm...

hm....that's probably why i didnt get my veil thread appear!!!:)
so,what on earth is goin on with that veil?and another plot point that i am curius about is what does the potion make people see?
anywayzzz,if the veil question has been discussed in the previous pages just fill me in...

On the fourth of July, I saw what I now know to be a fake spoiler on tv. a guy had a sign that said "Hermione Dies" and I went through the whole book expecting it, even though I knew it was probably just a hoax. Luckily, he was wrong, although Bellatrix's torture scene had me worried for a minuet.

Well,
bear with me as I have several points or thoughts and I sometimes get a little ahead of myself. Also, I am typing fast and prolly will misspell characters names, forgive me.
Firstly, the book is a 7 out of 10 for me and 10 being the best.
20 more pages would have possibly brought it up to a 9+ for me if the following content were added.
OK, why:
firstly, this entire storyline has been based off of how lonely harry was and how he clung to several main characters "besides" Ron and Hermy.
Last I seen was Hagrid yelling "Where is Harry?" and well..thats the end of Hagrid.
I hated Dolores Umbridge and I wanted a a ending for her. The rounding up of the deatheaters! The cleaning out of the Ministry. What happens to Grawp and the giants. Putting Voldy's body in the next room? I mean GAH! Lock it in stone something..make sure he is really gone, don't lay him in rest IN Hogwarts! Stick hjim under the Whomping Willow for fertilizer! (hmm..no, prolly kill the good ol tree, naughty as it is.)
I'd liked to have seen Mr. Weasly get a leg up in the Ministry, come closure to the Malfoy's! Azkaban!
Students, week long celebration, Harry waking up the next morning with all his friends, the discovery and destruction of Voldy's hideout and recovery of the body's at Malfoy's.
Some personal time with Hagrid.
Magonagal, just poof?? No good bye? He was in her house for heavens sake.
Draco..come on! Pain in the butt entire series, lets be realistic, why save him 2x. Thats stupid!
DD appears as rightly so in the painting at the end..BUT!!! Where is Harry's opportunity to express understanding and thanks to Snape? Where was Snape's PAINTING?!!! He was Headmaster also?!
Point of the stone that Harry dropped in the forest. OK, his loved ones came back from dead after turning it over 3x. OK, BUT why did they disappear after he drops it? Did not the book say that the other owners of the stone went mad after not being able to have the "real" thing? Did you mean to imply that they had to hold the stone endlessly for years before becoming mad and killing himself? (sorry had to vent)
Before I get to crazy here, thanks for reading my blather, I don't believe in magic, but this story we got to enjoy much akin to JRR Tolkiens LoTR, the ending was anti-climatic for me. I mean, the movies from LoTr were good and even if the very last film was not perfect, it was the end and it gave closure. At the end of the film, after years of reading the books over and over, I was sad, deeply sad that it was over. BUT if felt over, completed, DH ending left me sad and feeling incomplete. Maybe I will have to edit the book and re-write some of it to fit my needs LOL.
Now, Harry living in the muggle world, a world that contained nothing but bad memories, the opposite of his happiness, the world where is has no abilities, a world where the fortune his parents left him is meaningless. You see, too much was wrong in the ending. Ginny over Cho? Harry not finishing school at Hogwarts and or not TEACHING as he did for DD Army? He was a great teacher? I can not accept his living in the muggle world!! Come on Jo!
I feel this, I may be wrong, but, I feel that JKR was forced to write the book and have it finished to be in conjunction with the movie in the theaters. Otherwise, why did she have to leave her studio and write the ending away from her home.
I think, her statements that she was emotional over the book in how things end, I think she was saying how she was upset how the "publisher" forced her to finish the book and she was emotional on the rushed ending.

Well, I may have irritated some of you, please forgive, I wrote this in good spirit and good intentions and was seeking solace with other fans, of which I always will be, a fan.
I was and will be with Harry, to the end.
Thanks
Larsil

Someone already mentioned this, but I was sure the Veil would be revisited- especially since Luna and Harry both heard voices from beyond... it. :huh:

And I was hoping Luna's mother would come up again. Harry sees a picture of Luna (better groomed) hugging her mother, but that's all we get? I guess the implication is that that's when she was last happiest (before becoming part of the DA) and that her mother's death had a profound effect on her.

(By the way, was anyone else just a tiny bit creeped out by the mural on Luna's ceiling at first?)

wouldnt it be great if a couple of months later a new book by jkrowling popped up,not another sequel but like an encyclopaideia,where it would all be explained?

If Snape and Lily were such close friends, I would assume that all the notes in Snapes Potions book in HBP were notes he took from Lily, reflecting that she had a natural instinct about potions. The book reflected what she did without instruction, and was the foreshadowing of how close the two were.

I really take great pains to prove to people that it was SNAPE'S OWN work and he did not "borrow" off of Lily. The point of the book is to show that Severus was an amazing student, very talented, he could have done any number of things. He could have been a Healer, he could have done work in research regarding spells or potions. A lot. But he had no support. He had his own Slytherin head, Slughorn, who prized Lily more than Severus even though Severus clearly was a better Potions maker than Slughorn ever was (otherwise he would have caught the mistakes in the book), and Severus was simply ignored. To Slughorn, Severus was just an afterthought and I think that played a big role, having his own Slytherin head who is supposed to support his students, out supporting students from other houses because of their popularity.

I wonder if there is a chance that Rowling is prowling the forums looking for the response to the book and is going, "Oh cr@p, what was I doing forgetting all that?"

Well, I know this is going to sound harsh, so am really sorry JKR, but I expected a better epilogue. It was great knowing what happened afterwards, but the characters weren't convincing, apart from Ron, Hermione and the Malfoys.


I think that, firstly in Harry Potter story, a part of the book was written only for artistic reason.

The epilogue is Harry (JK Rowling) watching his son Albus (Harry Potter books) going at Hogwarts (shops) without him (her). "he thought it was like a bereavment" -> same words Jo used to explain her situation about ending the book.

not another sequel but like an encyclopaideia,where it would all be explained?

It will come, and it will better in this way... Deathly Hallows was the seventh harry potter book, not an encyclopedia.

There was one loose end never tied. Don't know if it was discussed here already. Anyway, I posted a small fic on it:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3679655/1/A_Ministry_guest

Voldemort's "fate worse than death"-uh, no.
Neville and Bellatrix face off-still kinda disappointed.
Fenrir and Lupni face off-where did this GO?!
Lupin's death scene-WHAT? What happened??
Beyond the veil-we kind of got it, but not really
"Room of Love" - I still want to know what's in there.

Cho over Ginny?

Did I miss something?

I typed to fast..your not wrong, it was Ginny over Cho.
The stupid veil and so many more things..
I am most decidedly unhappy with the left out things.
Poor Hagrid, he is prolly still out looking for Harry's body :no:

I wanted to see more of a story about James and Lily's life after Hogwarts. I was also waiting for more information about Harry's paternal family history (not the Pervell's (sp) but his grandparents) who took Sirius in. I really thought he would have some family appear that had otherwise been unknown.

Also, I agree with those who didn't think Ginny's character was ever fully developed. I thought she would do more in the search for the Horcruxes (or at least give him a vital clue or two during his search.)

I was never really bothered very much by the veil. I pretty much accepted it as a passage way between life and death (and how can that ever be fully explained.)

Let's see...
The character that did magic later in life
the veil
what did Dudley see when the dementors attacked in OotP
the something being revealed about Patunia
exact reason why some people become ghosts
The final chapter that details what happens to the surviving characters

Taken from Confirmed Deathly Hallows Information on Mugglenet!

Let's see...

the something being revealed about Patunia


I believe the information about Petunia and Lily being good friends until Lily got her letter for Hogwarts, and Petunia writting Dumbledore, wanting to go to Hogwarts, was definately something new revealed about Petunia.

About who did magic later in life.....

J.K. says (refer to the confirmed information section of all you want to know about book 7 on this site) that a person will perform rare magic in a desperate situation. I think it was Crabbe.

In chapter 31 Crabbe manages to produce Fiendfyre, a supposedly comlex spell that Hermione was shocked about. How is it that quiet, dim-witted Crabbe is able to pull this off? I think it is significant though because Fiendfyre is one of the ways to destroy a Horcrux. Crabbe died because of the spell and so it wate late in life.

Any thoughts?

I was expecting to see more of the veil and to get more information on other characters in the epilogue.

Honestly, while Draco was discussed a bit, I expected him to play a bigger part in this book. I really wanted to see him show his emotions to Harry, or someone else--But, he was pushed to the wayside for other plotlines.

hm....that's probably why i didnt get my veil thread appear!!!:)
so,what on earth is goin on with that veil?and another plot point that i am curius about is what does the potion make people see?
anywayzzz,if the veil question has been discussed in the previous pages just fill me in...
The potion Dumbeldore took? I think what it made them see was parts of there past..or something to do with them..things they regreted about them maybe...:hmm:

Well,
bear with me as I have several points or thoughts and I sometimes get a little ahead of myself. Also, I am typing fast and prolly will misspell characters names, forgive me.
Firstly, the book is a 7 out of 10 for me and 10 being the best.
20 more pages would have possibly brought it up to a 9+ for me if the following content were added.
OK, why:
firstly, this entire storyline has been based off of how lonely harry was and how he clung to several main characters "besides" Ron and Hermy.
Last I seen was Hagrid yelling "Where is Harry?" and well..thats the end of Hagrid.
I hated Dolores Umbridge and I wanted a a ending for her. The rounding up of the deatheaters! The cleaning out of the Ministry. What happens to Grawp and the giants. Putting Voldy's body in the next room? I mean GAH! Lock it in stone something..make sure he is really gone, don't lay him in rest IN Hogwarts! Stick hjim under the Whomping Willow for fertilizer! (hmm..no, prolly kill the good ol tree, naughty as it is.)
I'd liked to have seen Mr. Weasly get a leg up in the Ministry, come closure to the Malfoy's! Azkaban!
Students, week long celebration, Harry waking up the next morning with all his friends, the discovery and destruction of Voldy's hideout and recovery of the body's at Malfoy's.
Some personal time with Hagrid.
Magonagal, just poof?? No good bye? He was in her house for heavens sake.
Draco..come on! Pain in the butt entire series, lets be realistic, why save him 2x. Thats stupid!
DD appears as rightly so in the painting at the end..BUT!!! Where is Harry's opportunity to express understanding and thanks to Snape? Where was Snape's PAINTING?!!! He was Headmaster also?!
Point of the stone that Harry dropped in the forest. OK, his loved ones came back from dead after turning it over 3x. OK, BUT why did they disappear after he drops it? Did not the book say that the other owners of the stone went mad after not being able to have the "real" thing? Did you mean to imply that they had to hold the stone endlessly for years before becoming mad and killing himself? (sorry had to vent)
Before I get to crazy here, thanks for reading my blather, I don't believe in magic, but this story we got to enjoy much akin to JRR Tolkiens LoTR, the ending was anti-climatic for me. I mean, the movies from LoTr were good and even if the very last film was not perfect, it was the end and it gave closure. At the end of the film, after years of reading the books over and over, I was sad, deeply sad that it was over. BUT if felt over, completed, DH ending left me sad and feeling incomplete. Maybe I will have to edit the book and re-write some of it to fit my needs LOL.
Now, Harry living in the muggle world, a world that contained nothing but bad memories, the opposite of his happiness, the world where is has no abilities, a world where the fortune his parents left him is meaningless. You see, too much was wrong in the ending. Ginny over Cho? Harry not finishing school at Hogwarts and or not TEACHING as he did for DD Army? He was a great teacher? I can not accept his living in the muggle world!! Come on Jo!
I feel this, I may be wrong, but, I feel that JKR was forced to write the book and have it finished to be in conjunction with the movie in the theaters. Otherwise, why did she have to leave her studio and write the ending away from her home.
I think, her statements that she was emotional over the book in how things end, I think she was saying how she was upset how the "publisher" forced her to finish the book and she was emotional on the rushed ending.

Well, I may have irritated some of you, please forgive, I wrote this in good spirit and good intentions and was seeking solace with other fans, of which I always will be, a fan.
I was and will be with Harry, to the end.
Thanks
Larsil


I was too intrested in where he went, he just disapered after that..I was happy of course..that he was alive..cus I thought he had died..but still..


Dolores Umbridge...I was annoyed that she didn't get a horrid ending:grumble::grumble:


I was annoyed there to it's VOLDEMORT he's the reason all these other people are DEAD!!!, his body should've been burnt...after of course they proved to the rest of the wizarding world that he was gone forever....:grumble:

I am not sure Mr. Weasly liked the Ministry that much after what happend...but then again Kingsley was in charge for a littlte so you never know...:hmm:

As for the Malfoys..I am kinda...blah on them...cus if it wsan't for Draco's mom Harry would actually really have died....but then again I do believe they should get some kind of punishment for what they did:evil:


Magonagal I am not sure that would've fit..I mean she was always really distant with Harry just like all her other students....

I think it showed something in Harry..something that Dumbledore taught him...like even if Draco's a wimp little corward he should give him more then one chance...I do like how Ron punched him:lol:

I think his thanks to Snape was naming one of his sons middle names Serevus...I get what everyone means about the painting..but maybe it wouldn't have mattered..remember when Dumbledores painting first came? He was just sleeping in his painting:hmm:

That is the same way I feel about DH....I was all upset when I finished..but then thinking about it...I realized the reason was cus it didn't feel like it was over...

I think the whole Cho/Harry thing was lost long ago...I personal hate Cho and think she was just a snob:grumble::grumble: not to mention Jk said somewhere that it was always Ginny and Harry...

It doesn't say where Harry works...and I think there was a reason..I don't think he was living in the muggle world in that sense..I also think your forgetting that Harry was never the leader sort...he didn't want to lead...he never wanted to it was something he did cus he realized that it needed to be done..by him!:)


This I completely disagree with here...maybe JK did "rush" it cus she [I]herself wanted it to be over...she seems to me to be stronge and she wouldn't do anything like that...not to mention "the publisher" would probably let her take the time she needed to finish this book..the other ones have made so much and all...also didn't Jk say something about having alot of this books story and everything down for a long time? cus I remember where she said something like that..:)

P.S. as you can see I made the parts I reasponed to different colors...I am lazy!!! so rather then "removing" the other parts I went threw and changed the color!!!

We pretty much knew that Harry would live when Paramount Pictures said they were investing $250 million in a Harry Potter Amusement park. They wouldn't invest that kind of money in a park about a "dead teenage wizard and his 2 dead friends!"

I think Rowling started seeing big $$$$ with this book seven so whipped together the ending to drop the book on the market.

Thank you for the replies to my post. It's just the thing I was looking for. Support and understanding!!! :D

We pretty much knew that Harry would live when Paramount Pictures said they were investing $250 million in a Harry Potter Amusement park. They wouldn't invest that kind of money in a park about a "dead teenage wizard and his 2 dead friends!"

I think Rowling started seeing big $$$$ with this book seven so whipped together the ending to drop the book on the market.

I can hardly believe that after having made hundreds of millions of dollars on her first six books, she would rush her seventh book simply for more.

I accept that JKR couldn't tackle every minor plot point or resolve every unanswered question in this book, but like others have said, it felt like a lot of major plot points took place offstage. I would have liked to see more of Ginny--she turned into 'just the girlfriend' at the end. I didn't mind not seeing Hermione destroy the horcrux because that would have seemed repetitious to me, but I would have liked another winding down chapter at the end, as in previous books.

Did anyone else dislike the line 'I've had enough trouble for a lifetime' It seemed like a weak and inappropriate joke at that moment. Are we supposed to chuckle then? Because i certainly didn't feel like it.

It's silly but I wanted to find out what happened to Bill and Ted as far as the werewolf thing goes. Do they ever transform or what? Bill just likes raw meat now?

Larsil, I know your pain. I felt so abandoned by this book at the end. I wanted and expected so much more closure. I mean I understand that "Flaw in the Plan" was the climax of the series but she had to let us down from there. I wanted closure to the story and I got absolutely no comfort.

Now we know the final conclusions of the books and there is really no more proper speculation to be had are there any theories from anytime in the series which you wish had been true. I always loved the idea that Dumbledore was Ron who got sent back in time. That would have really changed the Harry/Dumbledore relationship.

Unfortunately, that theory was blown out of the water the first time Ron opened his mouth :lol: