Umbridge - unpunished?

One of the things I had been looking to has been JKR announcement that she would 'torture' Umbridge a bit more.
Unfortunately it didn't happen. And if Umbridge was already horrible in OotP, in DH she is even more.

So anybody else disappointed that Umbridge didn't suffer any bad destiny?

So anybody else disappointed that Umbridge didn't suffer any bad destiny?

I wasn't expecting to see Umbridge back in power, but there she was with her toad like face, being even more unfair than she was in Ootp. :grumble:

I for one thing would have loved to see her die in the end, but one doesn't get everything...:sigh:

I agree. Even though Harry stunned her and they got the locket and escaped, I didn't feel like she really got her comeuppance.

Yes! I agree. If JKR needed people to show the ideology "war means death" I think Umbridge would have been a great candidate. The thought of her still skipping about with her bows and cats in the wizard world is unnerving!

Her departure from the story seemed SO anti-climatic given the buildup from OotP and her cruelty in DH. She was stunned and then poof, everyone's gone...I'm curious as to whether the Dementors in the room sucked her soul out while she was stunned.

That'd be AWESOME

Yes, I was defnitely disappointed that Umbridge didn't get at least tortured if not killed. It was a shame after all she did to everyone at Hogwarts, that she didn't get what she deserved.

I'm glad others noticed this, but there is a distinct possiblity that, left totally unprotected by Yaxley--who only just managed to wriggle out of there ahead of the dementors, Ms. Umbridge was Kissed--and that would have been the PERFECT punishment, robbing her not only of a meaningful life, but robbing her of an afterlife as well. The only other person I wished to see punished who manifestly wasn't, was Rita Skeeter.

!! you are right, i totally forgot about that. She would have been quite a good candidate for death :)

I thought she was evil enough in OoTP but she was even more so in DH! :wow:

I think given all the suffering she had caused and lives she must have destroyed, she should have gotten more than just a stunning spell. I was hoping for some karma to get back at her.

I thought it was implied that Umbridge was kissed. Also, I was expecting Harry to shout "CRUCIO!" (Yes, in all caps) instead of just stunning her. Seeing Umbridge writhe...ah.

I was hoping the same thing Henry514. I didn't want her to be in power still, still toturing others for her own enjoyment. But, what I found very comical, apparently the world is "split into good people and death eaters!" (OOTP, Sirius.)

I was very disappointed that Umbridge did not get her punishment. I def. was looking forward to seeing her get punished! Major downer in the book.

I was expecting her to be doing more horrific things in DH, because as Hermionie said, "I have a feeling Umbridge has only just started being horrible." I mean, her rounding-up and persecution of Muggle-borns and Half-bloods was a bit over the top for what I expected, but it wasn't totally out of the blue.

That said, an epilogue where we hear that she gets something of what she deserves (even if it was just being fired from the Ministry) would have been nice.

I'm glad others noticed this, but there is a distinct possiblity that, left totally unprotected by Yaxley--who only just managed to wriggle out of there ahead of the dementors, Ms. Umbridge was Kissed--and that would have been the PERFECT punishment, robbing her not only of a meaningful life, but robbing her of an afterlife as well. .

I, too, was pretty sure that Umbridge got "kissed" by the dementors. Once Yaxley and Umbridge were stunned, the dementors completely lost control and converged on the one who was completely terrified. It's not too hard to think that Yaxley and Umbridge awoke at the same time (when the Patronus was dissipating), Yaxley throws Umbridge "under the bus" (so to say) and leaves her behind to face the wrath of the dementors. Umbridge isn't a singularly impressive witch, so I doubt she'd be able to fight them off.

I don't know... when Yaxley reappeared but Umbridge didn't.... I just assumed she had been kissed.

Let's see...stunned, lost her magical eye, her prized possession (the locket), and embarrased by a muggle-born at her own hearing. That's a bad day.
Plus, she had Harry Potter outwit her, and she was completly unaware that he was there until too late.
I'm just surprised that she was able to produce a patronus, especially with the locket on.

I'm glad others noticed this, but there is a distinct possiblity that, left totally unprotected by Yaxley--who only just managed to wriggle out of there ahead of the dementors, Ms. Umbridge was Kissed--and that would have been the PERFECT punishment, robbing her not only of a meaningful life, but robbing her of an afterlife as well. The only other person I wished to see punished who manifestly wasn't, was Rita Skeeter.

It maight be wishful thinking on my part, but that's how I chose to interpret Umbridge's final moments too. The sad thing is that in reality people who havebeen in those types of positions throughoout history often go unpunished by claiming they were only following orders... I much prefer to assume Umbridge had what little soul she had sucked out of her for enjoying the job so much!

I was a little annoyed about Rita Skeeta too. She acted like a true parasite, taking advantage and profiting from the fact no-one could stand up for Dumbledore without making themselves a target for DEs. Her "investigation" of Dumbledore did help Harry in some ways though, as it opened his eyes to a side of Dumbledore that most would not have considered possible.

Hopefully Kingsley got rid of her when he became Minister...

Has it been considered yet that the reason for her being so horrible in DH is because she's wearing the locket? Similar to how it affected Ron and pushed him to the edge, resulting in his abandoning Harry and Hermoine.

Just a thought...

oh my gosh! I want to shoot this woman! forget wands! when I found out that she had the horcrux, I started screaming!....yeah....she deserved alot more than what she got!

Has it been considered yet that the reason for her being so horrible in DH is because she's wearing the locket? Similar to how it affected Ron and pushed him to the edge, resulting in his abandoning Harry and Hermoine.

Just a thought...

Well Umbridge was already terrible so maybe the locket didn't need to posses her? Umbridge seems to be the type of character who likes power and will join up with anybody who has it. Her soul isn't that different from Bellatrix or even Voldemort's, so maybe the locket felt right at home with her.

chparadise--For someone like Harry, the locket was poisonous and power-draining, but mightn't the locket have actually lent Umbridge the strength to create a Patronus just for its...his own amusement?

JediBeldarine--I thought she got Kissed until I saw Yaxley reappear and then--well, I thought maybe they both made it out. I was half-expecting both of their miserable souls to end up as dementor chow.

Also, Henry514--I would have much preferred seeing Harry go full out torturing paying Umbridge back for years of skullduggery than seeing him use it to pay back Amycus Carrow for spitting on Minerva McGonagall--I mean, it's despicable and all that, but come on--an unforgivable over uncouth behavior--really?:sigh:

Moonarcher--You're right, the little kernels of truth in that mountain of manure she published for the quick buck DID help Harry, both to understand Dumbledore's flaws and to discover things about the quest. However, given that Skeet does everything Rowling (and many of her fans) DESPISE in journalism and authorship in the process of unearthing these tidbits (torturing an old woman with overdoses of Veritaserum--besmirching the names of two of the most innocent victims in the whole debacle, Arianna and her careful, loving mother)--she diefinitely deserved unspeakably painful punishment.

Klepto--about Umbridge, it could have been the locket--but frankly, none of the things she did were exaggerations or amplifications of her previous behavior. They were merely continuations of it.

Jo had said this before DH...

ES: When I signed onto IM [instant messenger] after the book came out, there were at least four or five people whose away messages were, "Give her hell from us, Peeves." Everybody loved that line.

JKR: [Laughter] Awww. Well, Umbridge, she’s a pretty evil character.

MA: She's still out and about in the world?

JKR: She's still at the Ministry.

MA: Are we going to see more of her? [Jo nods.] You say that with an evil nod.

JKR: Yeah, it's too much fun to torture her not to have another little bit more before I finish.
link (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0705-tlc_mugglenet-anelli-2.htm#umbridge)

I don't think she really tortured Umbridge at all, is she calling stupefying her as torture? :err:

I guess we're meant to assume that Umbridge got Kissed, though I'd actually have liked to SEE that, to have HEARD her pleading and screaming about centaurs.

Hopefully Kingsley got rid of her when he became Minister...
Hopefully she send her to court for crimes against humanity and hopefully she got sentenced to serve lifelong SERVITUDE TO CENTAURS!

Really, what she got was not enough for me. In many points, she was worse than Voldemort himself.

She's really the person i've grown to like the least.

I was hoping that nasty toad would be squashed. I didn't know that I could hate her even more than after the 5th book but what do you know. She could be worst. Telling Muggleborns that they stole the magic is stupid they didn't ask to be wizards it just happend! I hope something horrible happend to her, like become a mailroom clerk or something.

Has it been considered yet that the reason for her being so horrible in DH is because she's wearing the locket? Similar to how it affected Ron and pushed him to the edge, resulting in his abandoning Harry and Hermoine.

Just a thought...

I did think about that-thanks for bringing it up! I think she was probably rotten to begin with but she was practically a Death Eater herself-acted like one, didn't she?

Yes! I agree. If JKR needed people to show the ideology "war means death" I think Umbridge would have been a great candidate. The thought of her still skipping about with her bows and cats in the wizard world is unnerving!


Somehow I doubt, given her treachery at the Ministry - that Shacklebolt would let her go unpunished now that he's the temp. MOM. I also think, that now the good guys are in charge, their justice will be extremely unpalatable to Umbridge. Maybe they'll make her do community serivce - having to help rehabilitate wounded non human magical beings LOL.

I thought that Umbridge would receive worse than she did because of JKR's comment that she wasn't finished with her. I thought that she would end up in the final battle or soemthing similar

Yeah there seems to be a lot of promises that weren't kept... but you can't please everyone. I agree with cousinweasley- now that the good guys are in control I think she'll be punished severely.

So anybody else disappointed that Umbridge didn't suffer any bad destiny?

Yes, I thought Umbridge would at least get hexed or so. But we never hear what happened to her after the Trio stole the Locket. I doubt that she received the Dementors Kiss. Although she didn't follow Yaxley to the Atrium that doesn't necessarily mean her soul was removed by the Death Eaters.

So if she survived she would have been sacked, probably not imprisoned at Azkaban though.

Umbridge can go to askaban and ROT. Good riddance.

I agree--I was waiting for the punishment for her to come up. She was stunned and then left in a room with Dementors in it, but unless she was Kissed, I don't think she herself was tortured enough.

Her departure from the story seemed SO anti-climatic given the buildup from OotP and her cruelty in DH. She was stunned and then poof, everyone's gone...I'm curious as to whether the Dementors in the room sucked her soul out while she was stunned.

That'd be AWESOME

Agreed for the soul sucking treatment! :p

I wanted to see Umbridge tortured by JKR,

I really don't think it would make too big a difference if she was posessed, she was so evil anyways, no better than the death eaters. she just happened to be less powerful and less cunning than Voldemort.

I guess we can only hope that at the very least she went on trial and got thrown in Azkaban.

I was hoping they would lock her in a room (without a wand) with a dementor.. No further explanation needed :D

I'm curious as to whether the Dementors in the room sucked her soul out while she was stunned.
I can only hope that was the case! You would have thought they'd make a big deal about it though if Umbridge had fallen prey to the dementors- another crime to try and pin on Harry to make him look bad to the wizarding world.

Yeah i didn't expect her to be back in power, but there she was enforcing Nazi like laws throughout the book. I was really hoping she would get punished by someone like Hermione or someone else who was muggle-born.

I thought that Umbridge would have received some other action beside the courtroom scene. I was hoping to see her in the battle at the end of the book.

Umbridge was the type of person where she embraces discipline and the wizarding chain of command to a point where she is willing to torture for the cause. Its not like she is an evil person intentionally, its more like the fact that she just cant see the grey area, and decides to do everything her own way. This would have led everyone to hate her, she is far from a Death Eater, her qualities are more like a very old fashioned stubborn person.

Her departure from the story seemed SO anti-climatic given the buildup from OotP and her cruelty in DH. She was stunned and then poof, everyone's gone...I'm curious as to whether the Dementors in the room sucked her soul out while she was stunned.

That'd be AWESOME

What soul? :lol:

Umbridge was the type of person where she embraces discipline and the wizarding chain of command to a point where she is willing to torture for the cause. Its not like she is an evil person intentionally, its more like the fact that she just cant see the grey area, and decides to do everything her own way. This would have led everyone to hate her, she is far from a Death Eater, her qualities are more like a very old fashioned stubborn person.

This is an interesting point of view. However, Umbridge was one of the most prejudiced characters in the book. She believed that pure blood witches and wizards were better and that all others ....centaurs, elfs, muggles, goblins, giants, etc. were inferior and not deserving of respect. I don't think she is just going along with the ministry "chain of command" because she takes action independently. For example, sending the dementors after Harry. No one told her to do that. And, in my opinion, requiring that children write lines using their own blood is evil and more than just being old-fashioned or stubborn. Likewise, using her position to torture muggle born witches and turn them over to dementors is very wrong. We do not get the sense that she is just going along with the new policies and has little choice, rather we are shown that she is enjoying it - including spying on her staff with Mad-eye's magic eye! ugh. :no:

Being as if not a death eater one that would be on the same level. In the final fight where there all finished off she would have been in the middle of them all,.......that said with all the other ends she had to tie up can see where it is hard to get every name in on that final battle.

I imagined her not dying after harry stunned her but still continuing to work at the ministry till the dark lords death, then hopefully kingsley locked her up in azkhaban for the rest of her life. A sentence worst then death imo because this time she knows she has no way out since voldy is dead for sure. She might not be a death eater but the stuff she did against muggle borns should be against the new ministry law.

I didn't expect Umbridge to come back at all.

I hated her in OotP and DESPISED her in this back.

She's a foul and loathsome woman. I wish she was punished more. She deserves it.

After reading Jo's interview, I also expected Umby to get punished more severely.

She was awful in DH! I didn't expect it! I remember Sirius saying that not all evil people were DEs, and I didn't think that Umbridge would become such a ready minion for LV. I had thought that she might go along out of fear, but I didn't realize that she would get such sadistic pleasure out of carrying out LV's plans. Then again, she's just a sadistic <insert random expetive> that she'd probably enjoy torturing anybody, regardless of the rationale or ideology behind it. Foul little toad.

Also - I'm not so sure I'd want her to get Kissed right away. I'd want her to have some Afterlife so she'd get a chance to burn.

It's funny how a lot of you are saying you wish that she died, while in other threads are saying how people like Lupin, Tonks, and Snape are finally at rest and have peace in death.
Death is not just punishment for what she did, I don't even know if death is punishment at all. None of us knows what happens in death, so how can we say that it will be fair...

I don't think she should have been tortured either, that's too low of a thing to do. If anything, she should have to watch as she loses all respect and power she once had, and be reduced to mere mockery.

If I were Harry I would have put Umbridge's assassination on the to-do list, he certainly had the opportunity right there. Just conjure a glass cup, shatter it and slit her throat. No magical soul ripping or anything.

It's only fair for a genocidal maniac

Kingsley would get rid of her for sure, maybe even sent her to Azkaban!!!! :D

she shouldnt had gotten off so easily

A lot of wars are followed by criminals of war trials...Hopefully a trial of sorts took place after the Battle of Hogwarts, prosecuting all those who participated in the torture of Muggle-borns and other crimes. Since Umbridge was greatly involved, she probably ended up in Azkaban.

I was so angry about that!
Why does she get no punishment?!?!? She needs it?
How can Dobby be stabbed with a knife, but Umbridge escapes DH without so much as a scratch?!

A lot of wars are followed by criminals of war trials...Hopefully a trial of sorts took place after the Battle of Hogwarts, prosecuting all those who participated in the torture of Muggle-borns and other crimes. Since Umbridge was greatly involved, she probably ended up in Azkaban.
I know this is probably what happened. But we never hear of it. I mean, we don't know if she got kissed, imprisoned or if she escaped. After all the crimes she committed, I would have loved to find a satisfying conclusion.

I thought that perhaps she had been possessed by the locket but since she was really awful in OtP before she got her hands on it it probably didnt make any difference. I think that she thought she was doing her job and was on the good side which makes her more maddening for me.

It's funny how a lot of you are saying you wish that she died, while in other threads are saying how people like Lupin, Tonks, and Snape are finally at rest and have peace in death.
Death is not just punishment for what she did, I don't even know if death is punishment at all. None of us knows what happens in death, so how can we say that it will be fair...

I don't think she should have been tortured either, that's too low of a thing to do. If anything, she should have to watch as she loses all respect and power she once had, and be reduced to mere mockery.

It seems like it will be a punishment for Tom Riddle, he had turned into a distorted, agonized infant in the between place of King's Cross.

Off to wizard prison with her, I suppose. I don't see Minister of Magic Shacklebot putting up with her appalling behavior. She was a nasty, evil woman but she wasn't the nastiest, so she didn't get her part in the epiolgue. No doubt her fate lies in one of J.K.'s libraries. (Now that I know she plans a follow-up book for background information and the like, I am relying on that to give us even more closure).

One of the things I had been looking to has been JKR announcement that she would 'torture' Umbridge a bit more.
Unfortunately it didn't happen. And if Umbridge was already horrible in OotP, in DH she is even more.

So anybody else disappointed that Umbridge didn't suffer any bad destiny?I was totally upset that Umbridge did not get punished or pay for everything she did from OotP to her time in DH's. Sure we can assume with Kingsley now in charge she may get her comeuppance but we have no proof and I wanted to see it happen.:grumble:

I knew Umbridge would turn up but not like that. I think I'm still thinking of her as in the movie sense, that I expected her to be in Hogwarts. But she showed her true colours, didn't she? She's not into Voldemort, okay, but she loves torturing people. It showed well when her patronus was mentioned to have only protected herself and the others, but the accused.

I know this sounds cruel, but I expected her to die. If not during the middle, the towards the end, with the centuars or something.

There will be enquiries under Kingsley Shacklebolt, I'm sure. She'll be grilled lol

I hated Umbridge for what she did to Harry and how she stole Mad-Eye's magical eye and basically defiled his body. I would have loved to see her die, and I was really disappointed that JKR didn't do anything explicit. I suppose it seems most logical that she got kissed, but would it have been too much to ask to have a line like:

"And as Harry closed the courtroom door, Harry got one last glimpse of the dementors bending low over Umbridge..."

That would have been a fitting end.

I would have definitely wanted see what happened to her. She was so horrible. I wanted to see the face of all of those persons who covered up Voldemort's return. I wanted to know how she felt about Harry defeating him after all. I also wanted to know why Harry's scar hurt when he touched her that one time in OOTP. Was that just a coincidence? I'm sure this has been answered somewhere.

Torture her with the Crutiatus curse a few times, make her write I must not tell lies over and over on her own hand, launch a full investigation on her family, accuse her of being half toad and then half giant, say that she's a half blood, have her live with the dementors for a while, have her soul sucked out of her and then kill her body.

best way to torture her would be make her live among the muggles,muggleborns,halfbreeds and creatures...or with the dementors.
but i htink the first one is better.

Torture her with the Crutiatus curse a few times, make her write I must not tell lies over and over on her own hand, launch a full investigation on her family, accuse her of being half toad and then half giant, say that she's a half blood, have her live with the dementors for a while, have her soul sucked out of her and then kill her body.

And I thought I was cruel! Very nice! Especially the part about accusing her of being half toad and half giant!:lol:

Do you really think after Kingsley Shacklebolt took over as interim Minister, that people like Delores Umbridge went scot free? :huh:

keeping pure to my heart . . .

I was hoping that old Voldie would spot the Hermy-copied Locket around Umbridge neck and would use some nasty Cruciatus on her to discover what had happened to the original locket... Since she hadnt any idea ...she would suffer for nothing...and that thought rly pleased me . . .

I rly think o read a chapter about it...after 8 long hours of DH reading...when i was sleeping :P

Personally, I wanted someone (McGonagall, preferably) to transform her into one of those horrid fluffy cats and force her to be Filch's minion for the rest of eternity :).

Umbridge deserves to be Crucio-ed several times! I don't think anyone deserves to be kissed by the Dementors...that is a horrible thought!

However, she does deserve to be tortured completely! I think the Locket just enhanced her evilness and made her eviler.

the best punishment...
hermione as Minister for Magic

You can enhance evilness, but in Umbridge's case, all it really did was make her more willing and enthusiastic. The next worst thing or worst thing to the Carrows is Umbridge. Now that she doesn't have to worry about what the Minister has to say, she would do what the Carrows did, or more.

I was very disappointed too! http://www.avenueviet.com/forums/images/smiles/veryupset.gif

She deserved more than losing the locket and being thwarted in her hunt for Muggle-born wizards and witches. I like Wicked Smile ideas! http://www.avenueviet.com/forums/images/smiles/clapper.gif

For that matter, I don't think Lucius Malfoy got enough of a come-uppance either but we'll discuss that in another thread.

Let's see...stunned, lost her magical eye, her prized possession (the locket), and embarrased by a muggle-born at her own hearing. That's a bad day.
Plus, she had Harry Potter outwit her, and she was completly unaware that he was there until too late.
I'm just surprised that she was able to produce a patronus, especially with the locket on.

I actually think you're right. What's the one thing that Umbridge can't stand? It's loss of control and power. Remember all those ministry decrees in book 5 and how crazed she became when the rules weren't being followed? I think a dementor's kiss would have been far too kind. When she wakes up she would have been in the midst of chaos and havoc--dementors running loose, the ministry amuck, her trial subjects free and on the run... On top of that she probably would have been sacked or demoted. It would have been her worst nightmare! Hahahaha....

I hope Kingsley was kind and made her the ambassador to the centaurs (more like peace offering/hostage).

the best punishment...
hermione as Minister for Magic

Actually, Hagrid or some other half giant for minister of magic.

Actually, Hagrid or some other half giant for minister of magic.

No, Hagrid is not bright enough. Hermione or another Muggle-born is a better idea. Though I do like Kingsley as Minister. :)

And he never graduated Hogwarts, but I think another half giant would be ok. I do like Kingsley as Minister, he knows what is happening, he knows what to do in the circumstances. He acted when there were things happening, not trying to hide things from the public.

I would think that the new ministry is tired of her, and I hope after what she has done they sent her to Azkaban, if not there hopfully they made her Hagrids helper in the forbidden forrest.

What would you want to have happened to her

I wish she had some of her own punishments used on her... that quill that she made Harry use, and Crucio.. she was going to use that on Harry.

I agree... she was even more horrible and that the locket might have had something to do with that. Though she really didnt need much help being terrible. She deserved to have something terrible happen to her... but maybe she will feel remorse and change as a person

Yes!!! She should have died!!!! I was very disappointed when she survived in OotP, when I saw she was back in DH, I really thought she was going to suffer

So anybody else disappointed that Umbridge didn't suffer any bad destiny?

YES!!

EDIT to add: For all of you pushing the idea of the Dementor's Kiss...What about the poor dementor that's picked to do the job?! Talk about cruelty....

Someone already said they hoped Kingsley got rid of her when he became Prime Minister. I thought the same thing - send her to Azkaban where she could set up her mewing kittens (that would have driven the dementors - had there been any left by that time) raving mad. But Azkaban post-Valdemort would not be the same as when the dementors were there. But that was the only thing to do with her - life in Azkaban (for treason against Harry Potter for starters, hee hee).

I think she should spend the remaining days of her life with a herd of centaurs.

Stupid Umbridge.:grumble:The locket should've possesed her.

It was one of my only big disappointments in the book. Umbridge truly emobied everything vile and evil and just awful. One of Order of the Phoenix's best parts was her final stand in the forest, getting carried off by the "beasts" she lives to punish.

I felt frustrated that the trio was able to get so close to Umbridge, but nothing bad ever happened to her. I kept hoping to hear news of her at least being rid of - after all she was head of rounding up muggles, which was just horrible. :( Umbridge is one of the few characters I have no empathy for in any way. It's a shame the book ended without her getting what she deserved.

Things that already happened to Umbridge that she deserved:
carried off by a herd of "filthy half breeds"
getting stunned
becoming head of Muggle Born Inspection (don't know the exact name)

Things that she didn't deserve:
being saved by Dumbledore from the centaurs
becoming High Inquisitor
becoming Headmaster
becoming senior assistant to the Minister (wonder how that happened)

Things that should happen to her:
forced to live with centaurs
forced to live with Dementors
sent to Azkaban
Crucio
the quill, like she used on Harry, the DA, etc.
accused as:
a. a half giant
b. a half toad
c. a half blood
d. a quarter toad, quarter muggle, quarter wizard, quarter giant, (the toad part makes her giant part much smaller, lol)
Avada Kedavra

What do you guys think?

I shure believe that she deserved more and I think that some suggestions here in this thread are very nice. However I truly believe that after Kingsley too the Monistry, she lost her job, and for someone so arrogant and proud of her job at the Ministry as she was, loosing her job and position would make her suffer enough.

Wasn't she sentenced to life in Azkaban??

Umbridge wasn't supposed to even matter in the end, life was better, so why even mention someone like her....she is gone, she doesn't even exist to everyone b/c now Harry, Ron and Hermione are changing the Wizarding World, no more Umbridge!!!!! YEAH!!!

Well, we never really found out, but I bet she did

Someone correct me if I'm wrong - but in JKR's interview didn't she say something about Umbridge spending the rest of her life in Azkaban or something?
Pablo: What is toadface umbridge doing now

J.K. Rowling: Glad to see you like her as much as I do!

J.K. Rowling: She was arrested, interrogated and imprisoned for crimes against Muggleborns.

yay!!!

I was happy to read that Umbridge went to prison but it still leaves me slightly unsatisfied b/c I wanted her to have some sort of magical punishment. But if all that was going to happen to Umbridge was to go to jail I can see why JKR didn't bother to write in the book.

I think that the perfect twist would have been if Umbridge was a death eater!! It would make perfect sense!

covering the fact voldemort is not back, 'to be punished' sign next to harry's picture, she is nice to slytherins, crucio ('what fudge doesn't know won't hurt him.' in the ootp), doesn't want harry to be trained against voldemort

I'm wondering, did Umbridge know she was working for Voldemort?

I was happy to read that Umbridge went to prison but it still leaves me slightly unsatisfied b/c I wanted her to have some sort of magical punishment. But if all that was going to happen to Umbridge was to go to jail I can see why JKR didn't bother to write in the book.
I feel that way too. I also feel that it's just not enough for my personal taste.

I think that the perfect twist would have been if Umbridge was a death eater!! It would make perfect sense!
I don't think so. She represented the nasty side of wizarding society without being a Death Eater. This is what made her so scary and horrible, that she believed all this without the need to worship a Dark Lord.

I'm wondering, did Umbridge know she was working for Voldemort?
I guess she did, but I don't think it made much of a difference to her. His ideology was similar to hers, so what mattered really was power.

^I thought she was against Voldemort. Well I guess not anymore.

I don't think that Umbridge cared if she was helping Voldemort. On the outside it looked like she wanted to help fight against him but in reality all she really cared about was power.

I have to admit I was so overwhelmed by everything else that was going on that I didn't even realize that we hadn't actually seen/read Dolores Umbridge being taken care of.

Now that I think of it, I do wish J.K gave the details of Umbridge's downfall.

Harry and co couldn't do anything to Umbridge as they were deep inside the Ministry and Undesirables 1,2 and 3.

I wonder if she was put there to show the level of infiltration the DE's made on the ministry.

I'd like her to have gotten the kiss too but she's so evil, nothing would have happen and she'd just go on.

and I, Mr. Negativity, think that the fact that the Umbridge storyline was dropped and left totally unresolved, shows again tht DH was a rush job. It just doesn't have the depth and polish of the other books. The resolution should have been in the book, not in foloow - up "correct the mistakes" interviews by the author.

Personally...with all the dementors there in the hall, why didn't they just "kiss" her? Harry stunned her; her patronus was gone and Yaxley had proceded to the main hall. So why didn't they just attack her when she was down?

Personally...with all the dementors there in the hall, why didn't they just "kiss" her? Harry stunned her; her patronus was gone and Yaxley had proceded to the main hall. So why didn't they just attack her when she was down?

i don't think even a dementor would have kissed that toad. she was one of the best crafted characters in the book and i do wish her story was finished.

Although Rowling has said she's been tossed in the slammer for crimes against Muggleborns in an interview, the book should've detailed this. It would've brought satisfaction to many.

However cruel she was at Hogwarts, she was downright evil at the Ministry. She might as well have been a Death-Eater with Mad-Eye's eye at her door and Yaxley at her side and her prints against Mudbloods; it's a turn from, say, the worst teacher you ever had to someone knowingly running a Nazi death camp. Although her progression from someone who would've nervously used Crucio in the fifth book to being okay with seeing people getting kissed by Dementors in front of her face in the seventh (instead of possibly behind her back as the fifth) could be a natural one, the adaptation of Voldemort's ideas, even if she did want to kiss as much arse as possible in the Ministry, is a very uneven step. It was very likely that the horcrux hanging around her neck for who knows how long had something to do with this.

I think the slammer was a good end for her. Without the locket she was a cruel and power-hungry dog, but she was no Bellatrix.

Umbridge, to me, is the only charactar in the series that has no redeeming qualities. I had high hopes for her to meet Fenrir Greyback in this book, but since this didn't work, I'm glad at least she got sent to Azkaban... Dementor- free Azkaban, but still.

i think she paid because harry shot whatever spell at her then she fell over AND hit her head then plopped to the ground i assume i pictured it in my head to look rather violent so i feel she was punished:p:p:p

She needed a kiss!

She needed a kiss!
A glaswegian kiss.

Ref: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glaswegian+kiss

...she was one of the best crafted characters in the book and i do wish her story was finished.

Yes, she was so well crafted that I feel I have known her in another, Muggle incarnation. But seriously, she gave me the chills as chief in charge of rounding-up Muggleborns. She lied, trapped people in double binds, and canceled them out of the social contract without turning a hair. She appeared to lack any empathy, any sense of personal responsibility, and any capacity for shame. As others observed, she evoked the adminstrators of the Nazi death camps.

Since Grindelwald got prison, I suppose the wizarding world would not subject her to anything worse, but I would feel safer if she were Obliviated.

This is one of the biggest problems I have with the book. I know JKR said later in an interview that she went to Azkaban, but that isn't good enough for me. She needed to be punished in the book. She was a truly evil woman and I wanted to know that the whole wizarding world knew all her destructive behaviors.

One of the things I had been looking to has been JKR announcement that she would 'torture' Umbridge a bit more.
Unfortunately it didn't happen. And if Umbridge was already horrible in OotP, in DH she is even more.

So anybody else disappointed that Umbridge didn't suffer any bad destiny?

Yup. That would be me. I was very disappointed that she didn't suffer more than just the dementor attack (if I'm remembering correctly :shrug:). I just really thought we would get more than that. I was a little disappointed, to be honest, which is kind of sad that I was upset that a person didn't suffer more punishment. :lol:

ok, well i think that her torture is implied, rather than written out. the last time we see her she had slumped forwards. that is not a very promising, happy position is it? especially in a room full of dementors with no other humans in the room...even if she didn't get kissed, her last position gives us a hint of what's to come for her. with all the imperiused waking up, the fleeing and imprisonment of the death eaters, the fact that an order member is minister who will undo all the horrible laws from the voldemort regime (including the making of those mudblood pamphlets and the 'muggle born registration commission'), and most especially, first hand testification of harry potter, the boy who lived several times and defeated voldemort, who would tell of all her crimes--these facts all indicate that if she hasn't already been kissed, she might be on a...vacation....to prison. for the rest of her life.