SPOILERS: So, who has seen OotP?

Im not sure if this has been asked already (i scanned over the pages but coudlnt see)- do we see the locket in Sirius' House?

Considering OotP was probably the hardest book to translate, as a book it was designed to bridge the story, to prepare the characters and to develop them I think the reviews are good.

Also, I find all the RT reviewers idiotic, one actually basically says: "now we have to wait for the next one, they are only trying to make money!!" How stupid can you get?

There's a set number of books and each film has to be a strong portrayal of each book, so of course there are going to be more, oh and if films weren't designed to make money they'd be pretty stupid, so why don't you stop making up reason to dislike it! I also hate the ones that can't accept it what is, a film preparing the characters and developing them.

BTW, GoF is probably the most liked film by reviewers [if it is] because of the action, it's format was perfect for a movie, wheras the others aren't really suited.

Im not sure if this has been asked already (i scanned over the pages but coudlnt see)- do we see the locket in Sirius' House?


No, actually we do not. Surprisingly, Kreacher's entire role is cut down to a mere two scenes where he says very little. Perhaps the Grimmauld Place locket isn't as significant as we think?

But that's the problem. Even other films that have the same characters in them time after time, such as Spiderman, X Men and quite recently Pirates Of The Carribean, ALL keep their films self contained and at least have the issues resolved to the point where the viewer is left satisfied with the outcome of it. The hero triumphs, the enemy is destroyed and peace is restored for another day.
The HP films, though POA and GOF were adapted much better to be better films that the mediocre PS and COS, are perhaps not meant to be films at all given that it is basically one BIG story spanning several novels. Granted the first three can be stand alone as they ARE built as stand along books, but from GOF onwards it IS a one story arch. And with that in mind any film version is going to feel disjointed because theya re basically cutting off the story at the goodbye mark at each film after POA.
This makes many people feel a lot like when many finished reading HBP - that the story was cut at the halfway mark and felt jipped that they would have to pay AGAIN just to see how it ends.

No, actually we do not. Surprisingly, Kreacher's entire role is cut down to a mere two scenes where he says very little. Perhaps the Grimmauld Place locket isn't as significant as we think?


Perhaps, or maybe WB did not want to risk another Dobby elf wrath of hate and kept the house elf scenes to a minimum. Remember, what is important in DH or indeed HBP will be put in the move and introduced then, and if it is not important it can be left out.

Ok.. So who else thought that the part where Voldemort is tourchering harry and trying to enter his mind and read his thoughts was teary.. When they showed all those old happy harry, ron, hermione year 1 memories that part made me sad! Anyone agree? :(

Ok.. So who else thought that the part where Voldemort is tourchering harry and trying to enter his mind and read his thoughts was teary.. When they showed all those old happy harry, ron, hermione year 1 memories that part made me sad! Anyone agree? :(

Yeah that part was nice. I like how that scene was done actually...they took what was like a few sentences in the book and really made it into a scene that you could feel

Yeah that part was nice. I like how that scene was done actually...they took what was like a few sentences in the book and really made it into a scene that you could feel

I know! That scene was one of the highlights of the movie.. It drew me in so much at that part.. Wow.. And Bellatrix Was amazing in the movie!! Her laughing digs deep into your skin! :p

I know! That scene was one of the highlights of the movie.. It drew me in so much at that part.. Wow.. And Bellatrix Was amazing in the movie!! Her laughing digs deep into your skin! :p

Did you hear what she was saying after she killed Sirius? I was like WOWWWWW....she is SO good in the role...I mean she has what? 5 mins of screentime and she makes SUCH an impression. Also her cackling during the battle made it really intense lol.

I also loved how heartbroken Dumbledore sounded during the possession scene...when he said Harry's name I nearly got a tear in my eye...but I'm to manly to cry :cool:

Oh and....well since the movie comes out 2nite no need to spoiler anything lol but just in case
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How AWESOME was the shaky cam when Harry was chasing Bella. I wasn't expecting that at ALL!

Did you hear what she was saying after she killed Sirius? I was like WOWWWWW....she is SO good in the role...I mean she has what? 5 mins of screentime and she makes SUCH an impression. Also her cackling during the battle made it really intense lol.

I also loved how heartbroken Dumbledore sounded during the possession scene...when he said Harry's name I nearly got a tear in my eye...but I'm to manly to cry :cool:

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How AWESOME was the shaky cam when Harry was chasing Bella. I wasn't expecting that at ALL!

Dude! That part was awesome too! hahah! She reminds me of like a lil demonic baby.. Like when she was making her face all scared cuz Harry was gonna kill her! that was awesome! but then she turns back into this demon crazy phsycho witch! dayum! And it was cool seeing her fly like a dementor and hear her evil scream go across the screen!! holy poop!.. well all the death eaters were flying like dementors too.. that was pretty cool also!

One of the funny things I remember when watching this 2 weeks ago was....in the audience full of fans..they cheered for EVERYTHING. I swear...when the movie title came up..when Harry first used the patronus...Umbridge...heck EVERYTIME Dumbledore came on screen...lol..but I guess the good thing is near the end everyone got a little quiet since things started getting so intense lol.

Has anyone seen it in IMAX?

The centuars are attacking Umbridge and just before they carry her away she turns to Harry to beg.

"Please Harry, tell them I mean them no harm."

Harry looks her in the face and says:

"Sorry, Professor. I must not tell lies."

He runs off with Hermione and Ron.

OMG Thats hilarious! Go Harry! :clap:

Wait. So, you are going to see it next Monday? If you were going to watch it on Saturday anyway, why is the fact that it's being released early causing you to wait two extra days to go see it?

No Im seeing it only saturday. Thats what I meant. I cant see it thursday or friday because I have to work. :)

I forgot to ask this, but how did the whole Grawp thing work out when Harry and Hermione met him the first time? Was Ron on the Quidditch team? If he was, I know it probably wasn't shown that he was, but was it mentioned? Did Harry and Draco have that fight for this film, like in the book, which resulted in Harry (and the twins) being kicked off of the team?

I guess my mother and I will go see it on Saturday. I should go on and pre-order tickets...if there are any left. If I'd known that it was coming out sooner, I probably would have, like I've done for the last two.

OK. Just to extend on my earlier post, there are some things I want to say about the movie right off the bat. I noticed some VERY interesting things in the movie that could very easily have implications in the final book. It's just speculation of course, but if you're interested go ahead and highlight the text below.

The 1st thing that caught my attention was near the end in the hall of prophecy. Lucious is trying to convince Harry to hand over the prophecy like in the book. His exact dialogue sounded something like this:

"You've waited fourteen years to discover the truth about your connection to the Dark Lord. Haven't you ever wondered why he attacked you that night? Don't you want to know the truth about that scar?"

If that's not implying that Harry is a horcrux and Lucious knows it, then I don't know why it would have been worded that way....Very interesting...

The 2nd thing to jump out was at the very end when Harry is talking to Luna on the last day about people stealing her belongings. He says something along the lines of:

"I just can't believe I'll never see him again."

and Luna gives a slight smile before saying:

"Well, you never know. Things have a way of coming back when you least expect it."

Then she looks up and sees her shoes hanging above the doorway. Could they possibly be implying that Sirius will return somehow? If the movies are to be taken as canon then I'm insanely hyped for Deathly Hallows now!

Okay! Sorry, that was longer than I intended it to be. On a spoiler free note. I absolutely loved the movie! It's so incredibly dark for a Harry Potter film! It did seem a little rushed, but I thought the same of GoF. It's tough to cram so much story into 2 and a half hours. Anyway, continue to ask questions or ask me to describe certain scenes or whatever you'd like. I'll leave you with my new favorite dialogue from the Harry Potter movies.

The centuars are attacking Umbridge and just before they carry her away she turns to Harry to beg.

"Please Harry, tell them I mean them no harm."

Harry looks her in the face and says:

"Sorry, Professor. I must not tell lies."

He runs off with Hermione and Ron.



interesting! i think jk's alreayd said how sirius will be back in soem form though! :( i'll have to watch the other bit again to be sure on my feeligns with the horcrux thing...

and your favepisce of dialogue = :lol: i LOVE that!!! did it soudn relaly funny in the film?

Yeah that part was nice. I like how that scene was done actually...they took what was like a few sentences in the book and really made it into a scene that you could feel

aw! :(

The centuars are attacking Umbridge and just before they carry her away she turns to Harry to beg.

"Please Harry, tell them I mean them no harm."

Harry looks her in the face and says:

"Sorry, Professor. I must not tell lies."

He runs off with Hermione and Ron.

Okay now I am officially excited about this movie. That piece of dialogue is brilliant, I am highly impressed!

Okay now I am officially excited about this movie. That piece of dialogue is brilliant, I am highly impressed!

I know seriously. Even though it wasent mentioned in the book, it gives comic relief in the movie! Im so excited :clap:

As I said in a previous post, you cannot go in expecting it to be the book on film. You have to realize that to make it work as a film there have to liberties taken with the medium of which you are working to make it effective. As a member of the audience it is up to you to differentiate between the book and movie as two separate entities.

I have the ability to do so so that is why I can "stick up for it."

P.S. - OoTP was not the best book of the series thus far. :no:





oh and btw.....just imho

1) GoF
2) CoS
3) OoTP
4) PoA
5) SS

first off I do have the capabilty to distinguish between movie and book. I have done so with all the others. However, the movie as itself just wasn't that well done. Yes, it was dark, but not as dark as PoA. Let me tell you the reason I didn't like the movie and how if they would have referenced the book a little more would have helped it greatly.

Spoiler:
When the order shows up and starts fighting the deatheaters. Sirius tells harry he's done incredibly, then they start to fight against lucius and bellatrix. Harry lands a one and Sirius says, "Good one, James!" When I heard that it made me so angry. Never in the book does Sirius say that to Harry. I think by having him actually say that it takes away from their relationship tremendously. Also, when harry casts the crucio curse on bellatrix and he seems ready to kill her. LV comes out and tries to convince harry to kill her. This just seems way too much like Star Wars to me, trying to convince Luke to allow his hate to consume him. In the book, you dont have that connection, instead you have LV just plaining wanting to kill harry. The DD vs LV fight scene was good, but it could have been way better. I wanted to see Fawkes swoop down and swallow an Avada Kedavra.

DaVinci: I haven't seen it yet, but maybe that had to substitute it in some way. Remember, Hermione pointed out in the book that Sirius was seeing Harry as James, or was expecting him to act more as James and Sirius did seem put out that Harry didn't do something, and made a statement like, "James would have" or something. Since they didn't use it earlier or make that indication at any other point, maybe that's why they used it.

When the order shows up and starts fighting the deatheaters. Sirius tells harry he's done incredibly, then they start to fight against lucius and bellatrix. Harry lands a one and Sirius says, "Good one, James!" When I heard that it made me so angry. Never in the book does Sirius say that to Harry. I think by having him actually say that it takes away from their relationship tremendously.
Really? thats not in the book, why would they have that?

Also, when harry casts the crucio curse on bellatrix and he seems ready to kill her. LV comes out and tries to convince harry to kill her. This just seems way too much like Star Wars to me, trying to convince Luke to allow his hate to consume him. In the book, you dont have that connection, instead you have LV just plaining wanting to kill harry. The DD vs LV fight scene was good, but it could have been way better. I wanted to see Fawkes swoop down and swallow an Avada Kedavra.
But fawkes isnt really needed is he, it would just waste a load of money on more computer animation, that will only last for 3 seconds

Spoiler:
When the order shows up and starts fighting the deatheaters. Sirius tells harry he's done incredibly, then they start to fight against lucius and bellatrix. Harry lands a one and Sirius says, "Good one, James!" When I heard that it made me so angry. Never in the book does Sirius say that to Harry. I think by having him actually say that it takes away from their relationship tremendously.

Thats weird. Why would they put that in the movie?
I agree with you. When Sirius says that, it makes it almost sound as though he suddenly got caught up in his memories...

DaVinci: I haven't seen it yet, but maybe that had to substitute it in some way. Remember, Hermione pointed out in the book that Sirius was seeing Harry as James, or was expecting him to act more as James and Sirius did seem put out that Harry didn't do something, and made a statement like, "James would have" or something. Since they didn't use it earlier or make that indication at any other point, maybe that's why they used it.

I know they referred to it in the book, but thats what made it good. Mrs. Weasley and Hermione both say that "maybe" he thinks of him more as James, but Sirius never said it, you are left to wonder if he really did or not, so you feel the relationship between Harry and Sirius and care more about it, but by Sirius saying that to harry it kinda makes me not care about it as much.

Man I wanted to statues of the fountain to join the fight sooo much. I loved that part in the book. How they jump in the way and shatter, but this cut I can understand, they wanted to show how DD is holding harry back from the fight, which will play a role in HBP.

Man I wanted to statues of the fountain to join the fight sooo much. I loved that part in the book. How they jump in the way and shatter, but this cut I can understand, they wanted to show how DD is holding harry back from the fight, which will play a role in HBP.

That part was awesome in the book! :)

I dont remember if anyone said this but did Fawkes show up in the DOM?

That part was awesome in the book! :)

I dont remember if anyone said this but did Fawkes show up in the DOM?

Nope, you only see fawkes twice in the entire movie. One where he is sitting on his perch and the other when DD uses him to disappear from his office.

Nope, you only see fawkes twice in the entire movie. One where he is sitting on his perch and the other when DD uses him to disappear from his office.

Ok cool. At leats we get to see him somewhere right? :lol:

It was good to hear rotsiepots say it was the best so far. I am excited not to see it. I had a feeling that OotP would be a good one and be the best so far. I heard average reviews from some articles but then again they problably didnt even read the books.

And, in a few days, we here in the States and elsewhere will be able to cast our views on the movie. But from what I heard, it is supposed to be good.

first off I do have the capabilty to distinguish between movie and book. I have done so with all the others. However, the movie as itself just wasn't that well done. Yes, it was dark, but not as dark as PoA. Let me tell you the reason I didn't like the movie and how if they would have referenced the book a little more would have helped it greatly.

Spoiler:
When the order shows up and starts fighting the deatheaters. Sirius tells harry he's done incredibly, then they start to fight against lucius and bellatrix. Harry lands a one and Sirius says, "Good one, James!" When I heard that it made me so angry. Never in the book does Sirius say that to Harry. I think by having him actually say that it takes away from their relationship tremendously.

are you kidding me? this sounds like a fantastic moment. there was always an undercurrent of Sirius missing his best friend and wanting to see James again in Harry.

It was good to hear rotsiepots say it was the best so far. I am excited not to see it. I had a feeling that OotP would be a good one and be the best so far. I heard average reviews from some articles but then again they problably didnt even read the books.

A ticket buyer should be able to understand, and enjoy, a film without having read, or even heard of, the source material on which it is based.

I hope you enjoy it, but the reviews do suggest that the film replicates the book's faults: long-winded, treading water....

And, in a few days, we here in the States and elsewhere will be able to cast our views on the movie. But from what I heard, it is supposed to be good.

I agree. Most likely I might get to see it tomorrow instead of Saturday. (Hopefully the tickets wont be sold out) :lol:

I agree. Most likely I might get to see it tomorrow instead of Saturday. (Hopefully the tickets wont be sold out) Hope not. I plan to see it in IMAX 3D, so I will be able to talk about that.

Hope not. I plan to see it in IMAX 3D, so I will be able to talk about that.

Omg I want to see it in IMAX but I dont think i'll be able to.

i can't wait!!! i am seeing it on thursday when it comes out here!!(12th) i got my tickets today just to make sure i could get in, then scared the man who gave me the tickets after i payed by giving him a huge hug whilst squealing boucing up and down as i was very very excited.....
from what people have said it sounds amazing, i can't wait!!! i am listening to the harry potter ootp soundtrack now, i am even more hyper for the film.

i can't wait!!! i am seeing it on thursday when it comes out here!!(12th) i got my tickets today just to make sure i could get in, then scared the man who gave me the tickets after i payed by giving him a huge hug whilst squealing boucing up and down as i was very very excited.....

I bet he was a little freaked out :lol:

i can't wait!!! i am seeing it on thursday when it comes out here!!(12th) i got my tickets today just to make sure i could get in, then scared the man who gave me the tickets after i payed by giving him a huge hug whilst squealing boucing up and down as i was very very excited.....
from what people have said it sounds amazing, i can't wait!!! i am listening to the harry potter ootp soundtrack now, i am even more hyper for the film.

:lol: i was just reading the thread in Quidditch Pitch, its pretty much exactly the same to what you just said, except you said you scared him :lol:


For some reason, im more excited about seeing the film, than DH coming out, and im a bigger fan of the books, strange huh?

first off I do have the capabilty to distinguish between movie and book. I have done so with all the others. However, the movie as itself just wasn't that well done. Yes, it was dark, but not as dark as PoA. Let me tell you the reason I didn't like the movie and how if they would have referenced the book a little more would have helped it greatly.

Spoiler:
When the order shows up and starts fighting the deatheaters. Sirius tells harry he's done incredibly, then they start to fight against lucius and bellatrix. Harry lands a one and Sirius says, "Good one, James!" When I heard that it made me so angry. Never in the book does Sirius say that to Harry. I think by having him actually say that it takes away from their relationship tremendously. Also, when harry casts the crucio curse on bellatrix and he seems ready to kill her. LV comes out and tries to convince harry to kill her. This just seems way too much like Star Wars to me, trying to convince Luke to allow his hate to consume him. In the book, you dont have that connection, instead you have LV just plaining wanting to kill harry. The DD vs LV fight scene was good, but it could have been way better. I wanted to see Fawkes swoop down and swallow an Avada Kedavra.


you know, i can see why that dialogue would immediately annoy me! however, it probably works around brinign the same feeling..and once used to it i'm sureit's not too bad. but yeah...lol

i was reading this tread earlier.. but i cant be bothered to go back and find whatever page it was on...

Does Sirius punch Lucius?
i think thats what i read, i was like *omg* WHAT!?!?

I forgot to ask this, but how did the whole Grawp thing work out when Harry and Hermione met him the first time? Was Ron on the Quidditch team? If he was, I know it probably wasn't shown that he was, but was it mentioned? Did Harry and Draco have that fight for this film, like in the book, which resulted in Harry (and the twins) being kicked off of the team?

I guess my mother and I will go see it on Saturday. I should go on and pre-order tickets...if there are any left. If I'd known that it was coming out sooner, I probably would have, like I've done for the last two.I asked this earlier, but the topic's going so fast, it's not too surprising that it got overlooked. ^^

even though i havent seen the film, i would guess at a no for that question, because there is no quidditch in the film, i cant see them putting it in.

but i havent seen the film, so dont go by what im saying, im just assuming :D

also, ive just noticed.. there are 30 people viewing this thread, no wonder its moving so fast!!

even though i havent seen the film, i would guess at a no for that question, because there is no quidditch in the film, i cant see them putting it in.

but i havent seen the film, so dont go by what im saying, im just assuming :D

also, ive just noticed.. there are 30 people viewing this thread, no wonder its moving so fast!!I know there's no Quidditch in the film, which is why I'm curious if it was "mentioned", since it most definitely wasn't "shown".

i was reading this tread earlier.. but i cant be bothered to go back and find whatever page it was on...

Does Sirius punch Lucius?
i think thats what i read, i was like *omg* WHAT!?!?

OMG I would love to see that happen! :lol:

Also, did anyone notice that Neville got taller? :rotfl:

Oh, i must have misread, sorry! well, now i look at it again, i probably just ignored that line lol whoops!

OMG I would love to see that happen! :lol:

Also, did anyone notice that Neville got taller? :rotfl:

I would love to see that too!

i didnt notice he got taller, but i dont like his haircut much!

also, in that picture that has all of the DA in it, who is that person on the far left side? the one that looks a bit like neville, but with long hair, anyone know who he is?

For the people who HAVE seen the movie, what would you rate it as out of 100, 100 being the best movie ever created and will never be toped?

I would love to see that too!

i didnt notice he got taller, but i dont like his haircut much!

also, in that picture that has all of the DA in it, who is that person on the far left side? the one that looks a bit like neville, but with long hair, anyone know who he is?

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808475612/video/3261064/standardformat

Go to this site and watch the scene called "Between Dreams and Reality" He got tall! :lol:

:lol: oh yeah!

He so tall compared to Harry, which you can tell because

Neville was standing right behind Harry on that part, then when Belltrix camee in, Neville went right next Harry, and he looked even taller!

I noticed the height thing as early as PoA. I noticed how tall he was compared to Rupert and Dan. Pretty ironic, eh? Rupert's, technically, supposed to be the tall one. lol

I noticed the height thing as early as PoA. I noticed how tall he was compared to Rupert and Dan. Pretty ironic, eh? Rupert's, technically, supposed to be the tall one. lol

Thats just what I was about to say because according to the books, Ron is suppoed to be taller than Harry and Hermione. But from that scene, Harry's the short one. (or at least thats what it looks like)

I forgot to ask this, but how did the whole Grawp thing work out when Harry and Hermione met him the first time? Was Ron on the Quidditch team? If he was, I know it probably wasn't shown that he was, but was it mentioned? Did Harry and Draco have that fight for this film, like in the book, which resulted in Harry (and the twins) being kicked off of the team?

I guess my mother and I will go see it on Saturday. I should go on and pre-order tickets...if there are any left. If I'd known that it was coming out sooner, I probably would have, like I've done for the last two.


Nah Ron's with them and in that scene you really see Ron's feelings for Hermione come through lol

Draco and Harry are about to fight in the beginning but Ron holds Harry back..and that's about it with that one. There is really no mention of Quidditch at all that I can remember. Didn't really notice it though lol

Phrozenone, youve seen the film havent you?

Does Sirius punch Lucius in the face?

For some reason, im more excited about seeing the film, than DH coming out, and im a bigger fan of the books, strange huh?

I'm having sort of the same effect. I think my brain is blocking me from the fact that the book is TEN DAYS AWAY!!!! Whenever I start thinking about it, I start freaking out. I can hardly remember life without HP because I've been reading the books since I was in first grade - I'll enter ninth grade in the fall. I'm teriffied of the last book!

Back to the topic, I know you've said that Umbridge doesn't explain she sent the dementors. But does she start to use the Cruciatus Curse?

Are they in their OWLs then Harry falls asleep and the Sirius...Blah blah blah. or does he find out another way that Sirius is in the DoM?

Phrozenone, youve seen the film havent you?

Does Sirius punch Lucius in the face?

I can't remember, but I think he does. He comes in as the rest of the Order apparates in and says 'Stay away from my godson.' and hits him. My theatre cheered. :lol:

And....

On Sirius calling Harry 'James'-- I actually really liked that part. It just seemed like he was caught up in the fight and it slipped out. It made me really sad.


Are they in their OWLs then Harry falls asleep and the Sirius...Blah blah blah. or does he find out another way that Sirius is in the DoM?

During the OWLs, the twins set off their awesome fireworks and everyone runs outside to cheer as they fly off. Then everything gets muffled and Harry starts seeing Sirius being tortured. He doesn't faint, but he falls over and gets this look like he's about to. And then Hermione sees him on the ground and runs over to help him. He tells her 'Sirius is in trouble'.

One last thing:

'Sorry Professor. I must not tell lies.' Every last person in my thatre laughed and clapped and cheered. It was really cool! :)

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On Sirius calling Harry 'James'-- I actually really liked that part. It just seemed like he was caught up in the fight and it slipped out. It made me really sad.


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aahhhh that is really sweet!!!!!!! aaahhhhh i can see tears coming on in this movie...:lol: ahh that really is sweet for sirius tho.

(Ha, I have way too much to say) And another thing:

Molly and Sirius had their fight (the kids hear it on the extendable ears) word-for-word, but Molly doesn't say the 'Stuck in Azkaban for 12 years' line from what I could hear.

I saw it last night!!! It was REALLY good!!! Here are some strengths and weaknesses:

Good -
1. Umbridge = perfect!!!
2. Acting was great
3. Special effects/scenery was beautiful
4. Emotional, warm, delightful
5. Fred and George - funny!!
6. Luna - spectacular

Bad -
1. Dumbledore was horrible as usual
2. Not the full prophecy!!!!
3. No mention of Neville's significance
4. Dumbledore's conversation with Harry is severely shortened....maybe for the better though, considering Michael Gambon would've ruined it.

What is it about Dumbledore that was horrible exactly? I thought he did a terrific job in this one.

I just can't stand the way Gambon portrays him. And sorry if I'm being too picky, but during the trial he put his hands on his hips..!?!? Dumbledore is too poised to do that.

I just can't stand the way Gambon portrays him. And sorry if I'm being too picky, but during the trial he put his hands on his hips..!?!? Dumbledore is too poised to do that.

I thought he was better this time around, but the hands-on-his-hips thing made me laugh. :lol: It was not Dumbledore-like!

I saw it last night!!! It was REALLY good!!! Here are some strengths and weaknesses:

Good -
1. Umbridge = perfect!!!
2. Acting was great
3. Special effects/scenery was beautiful
4. Emotional, warm, delightful
5. Fred and George - funny!!
6. Luna - spectacular

Bad -
1. Dumbledore was horrible as usual
2. Not the full prophecy!!!!
3. No mention of Neville's significance
4. Dumbledore's conversation with Harry is severely shortened....maybe for the better though, considering Michael Gambon would've ruined it.

Does Harry destroy Dumbledore's office? I would have loved to see that!

And sorry if I'm being too picky, but during the trial he put his hands on his hips..!?!? Dumbledore is too poised to do that.
Yes, you are being too picky. Dumbledore isn't a god. OotP the book revealed that.

Does Harry destroy Dumbledore's office? I would have loved to see that!
No

Yay! I just saw it !

Luna was absolutely brilliant! Perfect portrayal! Umbridge - delightfully hateful! Loved the movie, though it was too short and Sirius dying was a bit abrupt - it just happened. Nothing really that built up to it.

^ I felt that way about book too. I felt really disconnected from Sirius's death. I didn't really care when it happened.

(Sorry).

the girl that plays luna is sooooo beautiful.

the girl that plays luna is sooooo beautiful.

True, but her voice is really annoying. Judging by some interviews I've seen, she never seems to get out of character. Seriously, when I saw see Behind the Scenes Footage, I skip over her interviews. It's not that I don't like her, she seems like a really nice and smart girl, her voice is just really grating.

True, but her voice is really annoying. Judging by some interviews I've seen, she never seems to get out of character. Seriously, when I saw see Behind the Scenes Footage, I skip over her interviews. It's not that I don't like her, she seems like a really nice and smart girl, her voice is just really grating.

i LOVE her voice. its perfect. but people always told me i had odd taste in girls. now if only she wasnt so young :(

OK, let's steer the conversation back on topic now, shall we?

Here are some things I wish the movie wouldve done different.

I wish they would have had the centaurs speak. I love it when they call us "human".

I wish they would have shown Professor McGonnagal and Hagrid being stupified by the MoM.

I wish they wouldve shown Fawkes swallow the AK.

I wish they wouldve shown the statues fight and protect.

I wish they wouldve shown how hurt some of the DA got. (ie: hermione being knocked unconscious, Jenny breaking her ankle)

I wish they did have the whole DA write lines using Umbridges special quil. It took away from how much harry himself has to go through.


I don't want to sound like I completely hated the movie, because I didnt. Just disappointed. There is one part that was done absolutely beautifully. That being...

When harry is being possessed and DD looking down on him just completely saddened and worried. The montage of harry being able to love, showing his friends, parents, etc. Was done beautifully and the music to the whole thing fit so well. That part gave me chills. Great work and acting.

I wish they did have the whole DA write lines using Umbridges special quil. It took away from how much harry himself has to go through.
They did have this scene, though ... ?

wow, it actaully sounds like they did a brilliant job on this movie :clap: im so excited im seeing it at 12:30 PM tomorrow
can i just ask one thing?
was there any more cute ron/hermione parts in the movie besides the grawp one?

wow, it actaully sounds like they did a brilliant job on this movie :clap: im so excited im seeing it at 12:30 PM tomorrow
can i just ask one thing?
was there any more cute ron/hermione parts in the movie besides the grawp one?

Actually they did a good job at finally emphasizing Ron/Hermione more. Little looks here and there. When they dual against each other in the RoR. They did the same thing with Jenny. She makes a face with Hermione says Cho couldn't stop looking at Harry. Also right before the Harry/Cho kiss in RoR, Jenny give another look.

Yay! I just saw it !

Luna was absolutely brilliant! Perfect portrayal! Umbridge - delightfully hateful! Loved the movie, though it was too short and Sirius dying was a bit abrupt - it just happened. Nothing really that built up to it.

Oh, really? I actually thought it was pretty good (it had ME crying, at least, and the people next to me). Deaths aren't always long and dramatic. They just happen. It was that way with the book and with Cedric. It's supposed to be surprising.


Actually they did a good job at finally emphasizing Ron/Hermione more. Little looks here and there. When they dual against each other in the RoR. They did the same thing with Jenny. She makes a face with Hermione says Cho couldn't stop looking at Harry. Also right before the Harry/Cho kiss in RoR, Jenny give another look.

I loved those parts. Ginny's looks made me feel sad for her.

That was pretty much the coolest thing ever!

Well, for a Harry Potter movie anyway. As in I thought it was the best one so far and didn't suffer from the disjointed too-many-short-and-rapidly-changing-scenes-for-three-hours that GoF did

umm... The trio... Emma Watson. She can't rly act, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but it's true. The other 2 kids did pretty well I think especially Dan. It's not their fault there's not much character development of them beyond the basics. There was too much Umbridge, it's like the film's all about her, as great as Imelda Staunton was. Needed more Maggie Smith & Alan Rickman & Emma Thompson. The Order ppl were also pretty good (omg tonks is hot) and there wasn't enough of them either, same for Lucius Malfoy

The poster of Fudge in the MoM is totally reminiscent of Hitler, like seriously you can't look at it and think of anything but nazi propaganda posters. Dudley's gang were so lame lolz and the dementors are all wrong. I liked the younger Snape/Marauders but the scene was too quick to see much of them

It's rly true to the book in spite of having to leave a bunch of stuff out, all the changes don't bother me even as someone who's read the book a dozen times, plus they managed to include a few little unnecessary things that were nice like the 'bulletin board' scene at the end

I didn't like what they did with Dumbledore, I mean Michael Gambon was good and all but his lines weren't that great and the exit in his office and the duel with Voldemort weren't as impressive as they needed to be... they needed to use more of the book like how he knocks people out or animates the statues to absorb the AK's (which voldemort never seems to think of using) The Weasley twins' departure was pretty good but it would have been perfect if they'd included the swamp somehow. Oh and Sirius gets AK'd which is just all wrong.

Otherwise... the thestrals and grawp and the centaurs looked pretty cool... lots of humorous moments (sometimes the serious moments were funny too and I don't know if that's intentional or we just find it funny because of being fans of the book and knowing more than the characters do at the time). And also shippy moments, lots of those, like R/Hr is put on pretty heavily throughout the whole thing which is nice, Harry and Cho's relationship consists of a few looks and a kiss, and sometimes when they're looking at each other you can see Ginny is not pleased which was nice.

The Dumbledore's-speech-at-the-end was the weakest yet and they didn't divulge all the background info that he does in the book beyond the prophecy meaning harry or voldemort has to kill the other, which might be a good thing since it doesn't weigh the film down with too much information

How was the trial? Does Dumbledore verbally own Fudge as much as he does in the book? I laugh my butt off every time I read that scene, Dumbledore makes a great defense attorney! :lol:

Going to see this at 7:00 tomorrow, can't wait. I've stopped reading most of the spoilers for whatever reason, but some stuff I just want to know!

Saw the movie a few hours ago and I think I liked it. I did get a little fustrated with so much being changed, and I really dont like the newspaper headlines. Im not impressed with the way the DA got found out either. I really like the comedy in the film though, espicially when Grawp gives his present. I guess some of the info that was skipped because no office scene can be added in the next film. I found I enjoyed once I let go of the "It doesn't happen like that attiude"

The poster of Fudge in the MoM is totally reminiscent of Hitler, like seriously you can't look at it and think of anything but nazi propaganda posters.
I'm fairly certain it was a not-so-subtle stab at Big Brother, actually.

I thought that it was honestly the best book-to-film adaption of Harry Potter so far. David Heyman, I take my hat off to you and your crew. You've done a (to quote Ron) 'bloody brilliant' job!

Cho and Harry kiss = very magical and beautiful. I loved it.

Luna = thank you, Evanna Lynch! You did a great job. I loved your earrings! :D

The humor in the Grawp scene wasn't canon - but who cares, I thought it was really funny!

MoM: I agree, Sirius's death scene didn't do the book justice. The whole Department of Mysteries could have been a lot better - it wasn't bad, but they could have had them running through the brain room, dodging planets, gone through the time room, etc.

Dementors = why did they change them? They looked fine to begin with, IMO.

Kreacher = perfectly gorgeous.

DD and Harry in DD's office = oh dear... my least favorite scene. It could have been worse, but what happened to Harry smashing Dumbledore's posessions? And Dumbledore was supposed to react calmly... I also wish they'd kept in the part about Ron and Hermione being Prefects.

Ron and Hermione = gorgeous hinting. The movies finally got it right.


David Heyman really did have a lot of insight as a director. He added a couple of clever quotes that, for the average movie-goer, would make it easier to follow. All of my favourite quotes were left in; I'm very pleased with this movie - and the IMAX was amazing.

Saw the movie a few hours ago and I think I liked it. I did get a little fustrated with so much being changed, and I really dont like the newspaper headlines. Im not impressed with the way the DA got found out either. I really like the comedy in the film though, espicially when Grawp gives his present. I guess some of the info that was skipped because no office scene can be added in the next film. I found I enjoyed once I let go of the "It doesn't happen like that attiude"

I didn't mind the newspapers so much - quite the contrary for me (I thought they helped the storyline along nicely to stop the movie dragging along).

I just got home from seeing it and I am VERY impressed. This is by far my favourite HP movie. They got so much right!

My favourite bits:

The trio's conversation after 'the kiss'. I thought that was really nicely done and they acted so natural.

When Fudge says "he's back!". It was well-delivered but maybe a bit inappropriate seeing as how it was a very sad moment.

The battle in the Ministry. This was very well done. The effects were impressive and it had a very creepy vibe.

Luna Lovegood. Great casting, her voice did get a bit annoying after a while but she was very good none the less.

Umbridge. Ooh I hated her so much by the end (not as much as in the books though). She was portrayed very well I thought.

The twins' exit.

Snape's worst memory. Short though it was, it really didnt matter that James had blonde hair (haha I complained about it so much before :lol:). It was well-done.
Im sure there are other things but I cant remember at the moment.


Things I didnt like:

The beginning. It went really quickly. They could have cut out some of those little bits and turned it into one longer scene and mentioned minor details.

I cant think of anything else I didnt like... hmm might remember later



Overall I thought it was a pretty good movie.


Also, why are we using spoiler tags when this thread is for people who have seen OotP?

I was actually pretty disappointed in the movie. I saw it 9 hours ago now and have had sufficient time to reflect on it and get over the amount of stuff left out of it. But I felt it was really lacking in dramatic effect, kind of like how the graveyard scene in GoF was pretty emotionless. I am the type of person who cries at the drop of a hat in movies, tv, commercials and didn't shed a single tear. I sat there willing myself to cry and just couldn't. I howled in the book from the department of mysteries, all the way through Dumbledore's office scene, while he tracked down Nick, saw luna and finally found the mirror. And at the train station where the order shows up. I know they couldn't have possibly put all that in but all the emotional turmoil and anger Harry felt and all the hurt was taken out. It felt like the Disney version. Watered down instead of raw.

However, I loved the order moving like swirls of white smoke against the black smoke of the death eaters, luna was excellent as was umbridge.

I was actually pretty disappointed in the movie. I saw it 9 hours ago now and have had sufficient time to reflect on it and get over the amount of stuff left out of it. But I felt it was really lacking in dramatic effect, kind of like how the graveyard scene in GoF was pretty emotionless. I am the type of person who cries at the drop of a hat in movies, tv, commercials and didn't shed a single tear. I sat there willing myself to cry and just couldn't. I howled in the book from the department of mysteries, all the way through Dumbledore's office scene, while he tracked down Nick, saw luna and finally found the mirror. And at the train station where the order shows up. I know they couldn't have possibly put all that in but all the emotional turmoil and anger Harry felt and all the hurt was taken out. It felt like the Disney version. Watered down instead of raw.

However, I loved the order moving like swirls of white smoke against the black smoke of the death eaters, luna was excellent as was umbridge.

I totally agree. I think that movies 3 and 4 were much much better than this one. I didn't feel that it was as emotional as the book. The movie seemed to move along quickly but it didn't really seem to progress the story line much. I thought it was kinda boring. I personally thought that there was too much Umbridge. I think that they could have cut a lot of her out and added different things. I didn't think Umbridge was nearly as nasty in the movie as in the book either. Honestly, they could have cut out Grawp too and I wouldn't have been upset. I didn't like that scene at all. I definitely would have liked to see more of Hagrid too. Personally I was let down.

I just saw the movie and I really liked it.. one thing I noticed that I'm not sure was made clear in the book
was that when Sirius is hit with Bellatrix's curse, you clearly hear Avada Kedavra. I remember there being a discussion about what curse was used awhile ago and I guess this answers it?

There were a few disappointments, but the performances from the younger actors have really improved...I was impressed. Unfortunately, during the prophecy scene, the entire screen entire blank...bit annoying.

I thought that Umbridge was excellently portrayed. I really liked how they used the thestrals, and I liked many of the things that they did in the movie like Fred and George's escape and Occlumency lessons.

However, I did not like how Dumbledore was portrayed. There was only one time in the movie that I felt like he was in charge and untouchable and that was when he escaped with Fawkes. I felt like in the battle scene against Voldemort that he was desperately fighting for his life, when in the book it goes as far as to say that Dumbledore looked like he had won the fight.

But even that wasn't a huge deal.....to me the biggest disappointment came at the end in Dumbledore's office. That was a huge chapter in the HP series because most of the answers come out as to why this all happened. Harry shows his anger at the highest point, is throwing things, screaming and many other things in the book. But in the movie, he was almost in a calm state of mind if that is even possible. I thought that that scene was way too short and poorly done.

In the end, I liked the movie and it was pretty good. It was well worth the price of admission!!! But there were a couple of things that lacked and could have made it a GREAT movie!!!

I just saw the movie and I really liked it.. one thing I noticed that I'm not sure was made clear in the book
was that when Sirius is hit with Bellatrix's curse, you clearly hear Avada Kedavra. I remember there being a discussion about what curse was used awhile ago and I guess this answers it?

I was JUST about to post that.

When I saw the film this morning, about 2/3 of the cinema gasped and sat forward at that part...myself included, haha.

I thought that the ambiguity in the book was intentional, but perhaps not? It's made me kind of confused and a bit stressed, as I'm an enormous Sirius fan and I'm holding out for him to re-appear in DH.

It was a bloody awesome movie. The best one yet. It really captured the essence of what book five was about.

Oh, this thread is so teasing! I have no chance of seeing it before the 20th and that's more than a week away! :argh: It just ain't fair! :upset:

Oh, this thread is so teasing! I have no chance of seeing it before the 20th and that's more than a week away! :argh: It just ain't fair! :upset:


dont worry
your not missing much IMO
biggest dissapointment ever

bumbleisdead...I agree. I shouted out numerous times in the movie...\

DID ANYBODY NOTICE: That in DA Lessons they used the verbal version of the charm levicorpus

I just got home from the midnight show of OotP. Before I can go to sleep, I needed to write this out for you.

Before you take my opinions, I feel that you should know a bit about me, so you can know where this opinion comes from. I started reading HP after the second film. This means that the first film I saw in which I had already formed opinions about characters was POA.

I was initially extremely disappointed at POA because I hated the Harry~Hermione vibes, how Hermione was portrayed in general (would she ever say "Is that really what my hair looks like from the back"....). I hated the way they had cut scenes.

However this displeasure dispersed because I thought that the portrayal of the climax was amazing. In short I took the film as a visual aid to the reading I had already done.

A similar approach lead me to my fanatic love of the GoF film. Gof is my least favorite novel, yet my absolute favorite movie of all time. Sure, they destroyed the plot. But what true HP fans watch the movies for plot!? We've got the books for that! No my love for the GoF film came from my love of the visual realization of my fantasies. There were all the action scenes I dreamed of coming to life before me. AMAZING!

So you may be guessing at what is to come. Spoiler alert: OotP review!

IT WAS AWFUL. I've never hated a film in my life as much as I hated sitting through that. I don't care that they butchered the plot. I knew they were going to destroy it. BUT WHY WOULD THEY BLATENTLY CHANGE THINGS!?!

Ok here it is in rant form:
No portrait of Sirius's mum, Snape has 1 line inside the order, THEY TOOK OUT MERRIETA AND MADE CHO THE SNITCH, the kiss was lame and forced and unpractical, THEY AK'ED SIRIUS (*shreaked in the theater*), Voldemort in ARMANI!!?? The statues didn't come to life, Voldie and Dumbies wands liked like priori (COME ON!), THE KIDS DIDN'T FIGHT THE DEATH EATERS AT ALLLLLLLLLLLL (yeah that's right, Hermione didn't get hurt, nor did Neville, they slung maybe two curses before the order showed up). No Harry rant at the end to Dumbles, THEY CHANGED THE WORDING ON THE PROPHACY!

/endrant

Okay... *breathes out* Now that I've got that off my chest, here is my more constructive, and less ludacris take on the movie.

I think I had really realistic expectations. I didn't think they could do the plot AT ALL. The only reason I wanted to see the movie was to enhance my mental images of some particular scenes. They destroyed those scenes. The MoM is changed completely and all of the fighting between Harry, Ron, Hermione, Luna, Ginny, and Neville is cut. Harry simply hands the prophecy over and then the order and Dumbels come to the rescue.

But more than just the MoM, occlumency was a disaster, with the pensive removed and Snapes "worst memory" simply viewed by Harry. I don't think Lilly was even in the scene.

Oh and by the by, Ron and Hermione aren't prefects.

The only thing this film did right was finally foreshadow Harry/Ginny. Bet that was easier for them now that Jo's come out and said it huh~

dont worry
your not missing much IMO
biggest dissapointment ever

seconded!

HOW can these be spoilers WE ALL READ THE BOOK HAHAHA!!!......i still have not seen it but then its only been a few hrs ..i have to wait till this weekend sadly....DRATS!!!

DID ANYBODY NOTICE: That in DA Lessons they used the verbal version of the charm levicorpus

Yes I shouted about that as well *ugh! they didn't use that!!!*

yea i forgot to mention in the other thread
what was going on with voldy and dumbledores priori incantatum thing going on?
their spelles connected for a good 10 seconds at least, and produced most of the effects of priori incantatum (save for the reveresed spells coming out of the wands)

yea i forgot to mention in the other thread
what was going on with voldy and dumbledores priori incantatum thing going on?
their spelles connected for a good 10 seconds at least, and produced most of the effects of priori incantatum (save for the reveresed spells coming out of the wands)

The Dumbles Voldie fight was the lamest thing I've ever seen. I didn't think it would be possible to ruin a moment so cool but Goodness they managed.

AWFUL MOVIE

I just saw Order of The Pheonix. It is 3:37 AM. I was VERY disappointed.

1. It went way too fast.
2. Dudley couldn't act.
3. It was very different from the books. There were barely any scenes that stayed true to the book.
4. The "epic" battle was most definetly NOT epic. The only people you saw were Sirius and Harry. The Death Eaters were just wisps of smoke. COME ON!
5. Bellatrix Lestrange used Avada Kedavra against Sirius, and that's how he fell into the veil. She was just supposed to stun him.

That scene squashed a whole bunch of theories!


The part that I like most was when Harry got possesed. It wasn't like the books, but it wasn't bad either.

I thought that Umbridge was excellently portrayed. I really liked how they used the thestrals, and I liked many of the things that they did in the movie like Fred and George's escape and Occlumency lessons.

However, I did not like how Dumbledore was portrayed. There was only one time in the movie that I felt like he was in charge and untouchable and that was when he escaped with Fawkes. I felt like in the battle scene against Voldemort that he was desperately fighting for his life, when in the book it goes as far as to say that Dumbledore looked like he had won the fight.

But even that wasn't a huge deal.....to me the biggest disappointment came at the end in Dumbledore's office. That was a huge chapter in the HP series because most of the answers come out as to why this all happened. Harry shows his anger at the highest point, is throwing things, screaming and many other things in the book. But in the movie, he was almost in a calm state of mind if that is even possible. I thought that that scene was way too short and poorly done.

In the end, I liked the movie and it was pretty good. It was well worth the price of admission!!! But there were a couple of things that lacked and could have made it a GREAT movie!!!

I fully agree with all your points above! Dumbledore like the last movie is sorely lacking. Actually ever since Richard Harris died, Dumbledore now is not at all in character. Only in some parts, like you said when he escapes with Fawkes. The end talk with him and Harry disappointed me so much I accidentally yelled out ***! I could not help it, Harry is supposed to be really upset with Dumbledore, not sitting there like a good boy who hasn't experienced pain. Also I felt the end was really rushed, and like always if the film had another 10 or 15 minutes, it would have been a great film. For there was a lot that I really liked about this film. For all you Snape is good followers like me, who didn't pick up the part where Harry yells to Snape "Padfoot is in trouble." And Umbridge asks him to clarify and he saids nothing to her. I seriously was like, there's a clue that the film producers are hinting at the fact Snape is good. Sorry, snape is bad believers, your theory has way too much holes in it. Also, the room where they dueled with the Veil in it towards the end looked similar to where Harry and Voldemort are dueling in the last film. And is it just me or did Belatrix chant Avada Kedavra before Siruis was thrown beyond the veil, the entrance to the spirit realm. Anyways, Umbridge was a total [staff edit] in character. Gary Oldman continues to be the perfect Sirius Black. He was so convincing that I was in tears, when he died. The music while I did not seem to really notice it, was very well done, an improvement over Goblet of Fire's score. I also really liked the Dementors in the beginning, they looked more like how they are supposed to look, not like the unscary ones in POA. Anyways all in all I very much enjoyed the movie, even though there was a lot they rushed. That was the main problem for me, there was just some stuff they did not develop enough. This movie felt a lot more rushed then even the last movie. I liked the movie a lot, but there was some stuff, like the prophecy, and Snape and Harry's Occlumency lessons, and the final fight scene, that felt extremely rushed. If the movie were just even 10 more minutes, it would have been my favorite film. But seeing how that is this movie is my second fav. right behind Goblet of Fire. A good result of the movie is that I extremely excited for the release of Deathly Hallows. I can not believe in a little under 10 days we will have the last book. Wow! after 10 years of liking Harry Potter, the next two weeks of my life seem like a total dream. :drool::drool::drool::drool:I can't wait to hold that book! Okay enough of my obsessiveness!

I just got back from the midnight showing.

Absolutely amazing! :)

*sigh* So begins the attack of the movie by rampaging, angry fans.

I feel sorry for those of you who can't appreciate the film for what it is.

2. Dudley couldn't act.

Was that distracting or what!

3. It was very different from the books. There were barely any scenes that stayed true to the book.

Thats to be expected when you only have 2h to represent 800 pages. After all, you kno the plot. Whats really disapointing is:

4. The "epic" battle was most definetly NOT epic. The only people you saw were Sirius and Harry. The Death Eaters were just wisps of smoke. COME ON!
5. Bellatrix Lestrange used Avada Kedavra against Sirius, and that's how he fell into the veil. She was just supposed to stun him.

THAT^^^^^^^
Why would they do that? The kids have 0 fight. They do NOTHING. How is this even alowed to be called OotP?!?!

The part that I like most was when Harry got possesed. It wasn't like the books, but it wasn't bad either.

I agree it wasnt' awfull... but it still wasn't right.

HOW can these be spoilers WE ALL READ THE BOOK HAHAHA!!!......i still have not seen it but then its only been a few hrs ..i have to wait till this weekend sadly....DRATS!!!


They are spoilers because unless you saw the movie you wouldn't know that insead of a battle between Voldie and Dumbles they were locked in something like priori the WHOLE FIGHT... UAGH.

I was JUST about to post that.

When I saw the film this morning, about 2/3 of the cinema gasped and sat forward at that part...myself included, haha.

I thought that the ambiguity in the book was intentional, but perhaps not? It's made me kind of confused and a bit stressed, as I'm an enormous Sirius fan and I'm holding out for him to re-appear in DH.


I haven't seen the movie yet, and I don't mean to crush your hope of Sirius returning, but there is no way JKR would've let them put in something like that if Sirius was not definitely dead. She might not get too involved in the movies, but they do run everything by her and she does advise them if they're doing something wrong (they only kept Kreacher in the movie because she told them to), so there's no way she would let them twist something as important as Sirius's death. JKR must have definitely approved the way it was done in the movie.

Okay just got home and I have to get to bed, but I couldn't wait till morning to post. Do we have to use spoiler tags in here? I would think not since it is assuming that it warns so in the title. Well, I will wait to discuss anything major for tommorow.

I LOVED the movie. Luna was fabulous! I am amazed at her acting! Overall, I think the movie went a tad too fast. To jumps and not enough longer scenes for a balance, I kind of felt like my head was spinning a tad when I left from the pace. There were times when I just wanted to freeze frame a scene so that I could watch every actor and take in everything. But the storytelling was spectacular. I think they did a wonderful job at keeping to the book. I will have to see it again and again to catch everything.

Okay good night or good morning whatever...must get a few hours of sleep. But I will be back for more discussion! :D

Please will someone let us know if we can take off the spoiler tags, they are kind of annoying and I think the title of the thread speaks for itself....Thanks. :)

I feel sorry for those of you who can't appreciate the film for what it is.
Well put.

If people want to dismiss a film based on the fact that the DA used verbal instead of non-verbal spells (outrageous!), then good luck to them. Have some perspective, people. The first two films were dreadful.

I'm so bored with haters.

FEEL FREE TO POST WITHOUT SPOILER TAGS.

I haven't seen the movie yet, and I don't mean to crush your hope of Sirius returning, but there is no way JKR would've let them put in something like that if Sirius was not definitely dead. She might not get too involved in the movies, but they do run everything by her and she does advise them if they're doing something wrong (they only kept Kreacher in the movie because she told them to), so there's no way she would let them twist something as important as Sirius's death. JKR must have definitely approved the way it was done in the movie.

I see what your saying, but Jo also let them drop the ENTIRE line of the Muraduers map which basicly rendered POA meaningless (why would he think he saw his dad as a stag if he didn't know it was his dads animagus form?). Don't think Jo has that much controll over the plot of the movies. They do an amzing job of ruining themselves.

The Dumbles Voldie fight was the lamest thing I've ever seen. I didn't think it would be possible to ruin a moment so cool but Goodness they managed.

AWFUL MOVIE

I disagree. It was not the lamest thing, but it was close. The lamest was the whole death eaters flying around as smoke grabbing the other 5 kids but leaving harry.

If DD and Voldemort were linked like Priori Incantatem, what about the huge fire dragon mouthbreathing thingie from the previews that Voldemort conjures?

As for all the criticism, I haven't seen it yet but it seems like nitpicking to me, it doesn't sound nearly as bad as the plot mutilation in GoF. I can't believe how many people think that movie is one of the best HP ones...all the positive things said are what I'm looking for. If you ask me to explain why I hated GoF so much, I'll nitpick a LOT, yes (aside from all the godawful dialogue, terrible scene transition, godawful effect, lameness, overall cheesiness...) but the things that were changed in this movie don't bother me nearly as much. For example, changing the DA snitch to Cho (incidentally, this was revealed in the advance reviews months ago...does nobody read them?) doesn't bother me nearly as much as the huge plot holes created by the simplification of the Crouch Jr story in GoF. So what if they learn Levicorpus a year early? It just means one less spell Harry will learn from the Prince in HBP...it's not an essential spell or anything. And I am actually very, very happy that Bella kills Sirius with Avada Kedavra because it finally shuts up all the people who insist he will come back in DH. It's a simplification for the non-book readers, keep in mind.

:rolleyes:

Well put.

If people want to dismiss a film based on the fact that the DA used verbal instead of non-verbal spells (outrageous!), then good luck to them. Have some perspective, people. The first two films were dreadful.

I'm so bored with haters.

I'm not usualy a "hater." In fact, I love HP a great deal. I had little to no expectations going into the film, I understand the limitations. What irritates me is the blatent way the film disregarded the book during crucial scenes. Why change the spell that knocks Sirius into the veil? Why completley drop the fight between the kids and the DE? Why change the Prophacy?

I understand things have to be cut, what I don't understand is why things have to be blatently changed. Changed for changes sake? Then why tag it as based on the book?

The lamest was the whole death eaters flying around as smoke grabbing the other 5 kids but leaving harry.
Isn't this canon?

Don't think Jo has that much controll over the plot of the movies.
I think you'd be surprised. She has to tell the screenwriters what is and isn't important. Granted, JKR might not know what she's doing.

I just got back from seeing this one and I have to say that my immediate feeling for it is - indifferent. By that I mean I could have done without seeing it and not be disappointed, but when I saw POA for example I was in awe and amazed that I was watching a terrific HP film for the first time and it was magical and did the story justice. This movie was just....so.....pedestrian.
Say what you will about POA, but you gotta admit, Cuaron had style and MADE you want to watch what was happening and waht was going on, while at the same time having fun with the plot but not deviating enough that it was not true to the books. OOTP was heavily edited, we all knew that going in as it was the biggest book in the series and so would have the most cut, but by gods the cuts in this one were so blatantly noticable that it ruined my enjoyment of the film. Who ever edited this should be shot.
I think my main concern was that there was so much potential with what they had left in for the visual medium, such as the dumbledore and LV fight, the threstrial flight to the MOM, the DA against the DE in the HOP and so on. There was so much scope to be on a POA visual level, yet it was not fully realised.
What did I like about it ?

- Darker, forbodding atmosphere. Everything was in a dark colour with very little let up. It helped create the claustraphobic scenes in which were to happen later on.

- Tonks. From a male POV her body rocked and I thought she was a really cool character, which leads me to another major disappointment. The actress was obvioulsy very into her character and I thought Tonks was very cool in this, but SHE WAS GIVEN NOTHING TO DO !! A waste of a cool character such as Skeeter from GOF wither her animagus storyline.

- Malfoy and the Slytherins as a whole were barely in the movie. They could have easily cut Draco and the others and non one would have noticed.And on that note the whole Inquisitor Squad storyline should not have been shown as little as it was if there was going to be no real pay off for us.

- Snape and the Occlumency lessons. Too condensed for my own liking and not enough menace from Snape towards Harry either. yes, he did grab harry and throw him around in one scene but you never got the feeling that Harry was in any real physical danger. And from this scene leads me to one of my biggest peeves....

- SWM - Very quick, didn' last long enough for us to feel sorry for Snape and no Lily. Why bother even hiring the actors to play them if they were not even going to utilise this memory properly to both paint Harry's father in a different light and also give Snape, for the first time in the series at least for me, a sense of compasssion from the viewer and the reader. The emotional impact of the revelation of Harry's father being a complete Bully like Dudley is lost completely.

- The DA formation at the Hog's Head was very meh. No tension, so wild accusations and Harry came off as a complete wimp and not a man on the verge of snapping and growling at everyone. In the book that scene was boiling with many unsaid things between harry and the students, and in turn the DA formation itself was very much an underwelming experience.

- Cho Chang - the kiss was okay, but my main problem was with the character itself. She really was not built up enough in this one for us to truly care about what happened to her even after it was revealed she was the snitch under the truth syrum, and to be honest I came of hating the DA for their treatment of her afterwards that hating Cho.

- The famed DD/LV showdown in the MOM was functional but not the full on battle royale that I was hoping for from the books. I mean, in the books LV and DD are basically going at it tooth and nail with everything they had, but in this one it just seemed like a giant SFX showcase and not a true battle for Harry and indeed their own lives. Very disappointed.

- LV himself. He just is not scary. Maybe it is how he is played by the actor or the direction, but most likely it is that he just does not look menacing or a very threatening presence. I want to be scared when he is on screen but instead I want to laugh and think he is a pushover.

I've got a question for those who've seen it. How does the movie end? What is the final scene?

I disagree. It was not the lamest thing, but it was close. The lamest was the whole death eaters flying around as smoke grabbing the other 5 kids but leaving harry.

I know right! Why would they cut out the ENTIRE fight sequnce between the kids and the DE? WHY?

Isn't this canon?

Yes it is, to a certain degree. Bellatrix grabs Neville and tortures him in the Death Chamber before the Order arrive (like in the movie too, I am presuming?) and Lucius threatens to kill Ginny at the start of the battle. Several times during the battle the DEs try and use other victims to entice Harry into giving them the prophecy.


I think you'd be surprised. She has to tell the screenwriters what is and isn't important. Granted, JKR might not know what she's doing.

Yeah, she made them keep Kreacher. Also, she personally wrote what might be the most important scene in the whole series - the beginning scene at Godric's Hollow. And she would have vetoed Bella's AK if Sirius was supposed to come back. :lol:

I think you'd be surprised. She has to tell the screenwriters what is and isn't important. Granted, JKR might not know what she's doing.

I'm not sure I would say Jo dosen't know what she is doing. I'm with you though.

Without a doubt the best movie in the Potter series so far. I think the only thing that could have been added is the last half of the prophesey I thought the little ron/hermione moments were cute the emotional range of teaspoon lol, did anyone else notice Ginny's eyes when Cho was mentioned I would have to say Sirius entrance in the Department of Mysteries was brilliant! I think that this one actually is the truest to the book, although of course there were changes and a few things left out that should have been included.

Ok, I just saw the movie too and...

I'm kinda on the fence here....I mean the acting and the script was great and the emotion was high but it felt...very dis-jointed. It was very rushed and there was no sequence to the scenes. They just happened. No build up, no suspense. Just WHAM WHAM WHAM New scene, new scene, not much structure if you know what I mean. And my mom who doesn't read the books was very confused about the prophecy, I had to explain the whole thing to her, what a disappointment on that.

When I say there is no build up and suspense in the scenes, I want to talk about Sirius death. That whole battle was a major major major major disappointment. It was so hyped up over the months, oh you've never seen anything like it, it's so epic and big, and unique.....but not only did it last barely 5 seconds but there was no choreography, it was just chaos and we have no idea what is going on. When Sirius dies, it's been built up beautifully over the film and I loved how he called Harry 'James' (so cryptic and eerie in a way), but the death was very confusing, very sudden and we get like one little shot of Harry screaming, then we kinda forget about it. Very very meh. We don't even see him fighting with Bellatrix, it's just MADNESS CHAOS CHAOS, then oh look! How sad Sirius dies, oh well, NEXT. It just didn't sit right for me. It was too confusing, the editing was really bad at the end there, like the scene where they ride the thestrals, such a magical scene in the book. In the movie, it's just....another traveling scene. The problem is the montage editing that completely dominates the film. There is no beginning or end to scenes, just the middle. Harry and Cho...like what? One second there kissing, next he's ignoring her...wait, she ratted out the DA? How do we know that, we only seen her being held by Umbridge in one quick shot. Snape's worst memory? Blink and you miss it. Arthur getting attacked....wait wait what? He was attacked?? It was him? Oh we're doing occulmency now, wait, what, why? whoa...hold on....It's too chaotic, there's no build up, no tension. The film wastes time on shots like paper planes flying around classrooms and Harry closing his trunk in his room, then cut to Harry sitting in Dumbledore's office....huh??? What was the point of the scene with Harry closing his trunk, it kills the pacing. Like they forgot to edit out a bit. But yeah the pacing and editing was VERY off and very rushed and not just because I'm a book fan, but in terms of the film....when I left the theater, someone said how it was good but 'missing something'. There's just no structure. It's very random and quick. Like the whole film is one big dream montage.


Now for the good parts of the film. The acting. Wow. Dan is amazing. Emma and Rupert are wonderful, Matthew Lewis (Neville) was fantastic. Luna was good but so under-used, you don't really get any sense of character arc from her if you haven't read the book. Umbridge was evil and right on, perfect for the film. Gawp looks like a giant Dudley. Kreacher was awesome but again under-used. Alan Rickman was incredible! He's finally conjured the character of Snape from the book! You really sense his anger, his angst, and he makes you feel like he's a bad guy, but then makes you feel he's good, so perfect.

Now I have saved the best for last. Gambon has completely redeemed himself! He was an EXCELLENT Dumbledore! Wow! Just wow...unreal. I'm definitely gonna cry in HBP movie, I have faith in him.

So yeah, it was an okay film, but it doesn't really feel like a film, I say it needed to be kept in the editing for a little longer. This is great material, but it's all jumbled together in a confusing mess and I know what the critics mean. It feels like nothing happens. It does a good job at introducing the fact that there is an overall story of all the films, but it dosen't advance it. The only thing that gets accomplished is the ministry accepting Voldemort's return. The prophecy is not explained at all, so it's not even relevant in the film. Just, oh you gotta defeat Voldemort. Oh really? After watching the 4 films, it's pretty obvious he does, you could say the same for the book, but it does into more detail and explains it more, there's more to the prophecy than just 'none can live while the other survives. Speaking of Voldemort, my mom's biggest disappointment was the lack of Voldemort in the film. He's been hyped up so much in the trailers and everything, but then he just appears quickly at the end, fights a little and disappears. Oh and what happened to any diolouge in the Voldy-DD duel? It was awesome but there was no....emotion or drama. That goes for the whole movie. There's no DRAMA! Emotion, yes and it makes a nice theme of love and friendship and it REALLY is darker this time, I found myself longing for the happy days of SS and COS, but it really didn't feel like a movie, it felt like we were watching one giant trailer. OOTP is my fav book and I'm a little disappointed. It's a decent intense enjoyable film, but you know...it wasn't anything too special.

I'd rate it: 3 and a half stars. The acting really impressed me.




There was no balance, no focus and yes the magic was a bit over the top in this film. It dosen't explain it. Oh and Fred and George do seem kind of stupid in the movie. Leaving school because of one teacher, it doesn't explain that they got money to start their own joke shop, they are just cutting school because of one bad teacher. Stupid. The movie was VERY arkward. Yes, the end was the worst. OMG, what end??? There's no dramatic pacing, no time to take things in. Just bang bang bang, END. Did we really need to see the buildings separating when we first visit Grimmauld place? It dosen't make any sense, in the movie and the charm is not explained so what's the point? Tonks and kreacher feel like wastes of time in the film.

As I said it's not really a film....it's more like an extended montage. When the movie ended, I was like ready to see a real film afterwards.

I had great faith in David Yates but he kind of let me down. I'm worried about HBP. He's great at directing actors, but editing and cinematography are his major downfall. The film wasn't INVOLVED with the characters. It was like we were watching them from afar, not with them.

Though I do like how he pushed all of Umbirdge's evil acts (sacking of Trelawnly, all the rules, which was all brilliant) into the beginning before the DA. That was a brilliant idea foe the film.

Oh and what's with Filch's extended camera time? All this time wasted and he could have had a longer scene with Harry and Dumbledore at the end, and have it so we SEE them begin the scene and then go on with the scene. Don't cut into the middle of a scene, it doesn't feel real, it feels dis-jointed and we feel distant from the characters.

Mark Day did a terrible job editing this film, sorry. This is like the worst edited film I ever seen in my life.

I've got a question for those who've seen it. How does the movie end? What is the final scene?

hmmm well there is the Luna Harry chat though she dosen't say anything about the veil, then the walk to the trains from the carriges.

I see what your saying, but Jo also let them drop the ENTIRE line of the Muraduers map which basicly rendered POA meaningless (why would he think he saw his dad as a stag if he didn't know it was his dads animagus form?). Don't think Jo has that much controll over the plot of the movies. They do an amzing job of ruining themselves.

That is a bit different though isn't it? Killing a character and leaving out plot points. One can always be fixed in later chapters. The other, not so much.

oh and by the way my ranking of movies.

OotP
GoF
PoA
SS
CoS

Why would they cut out the ENTIRE fight sequnce between the kids and the DE? WHY?
What does it add to the plot (except length)? Books will never be films and films will never be books.

Several times during the battle the DEs try and use other victims to entice Harry into giving them the prophecy.
Exactly. And prophecies are easily smashed.

Did we really need to see the buildings separating when we first visit Grimmauld place? It dosen't make any sense, in the movie and the charm is not explained so what's the point?

They completely cut the charm out.

rotsiepots...I am not hating on the movie just because of the levicorpus spell which doesn't come in till book 6... I"m hating on it because it was BBBBAAAADDDD

There is no way around it. It is called Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix, but the movie I saw wasn't that. It was a mockery. I understand that 800+ pages of 11.5 Adobe Garmound in just over 2 hours is impossible to do. I felt that Umbridge was well done. I felt that there were parts where Dumbledore actually acted somewhat like Dumbledore should. I enjoyed Grawp. But come on...it was a sad movie. Cinematically speaking...Harry seeing serious die and the yelling out but was silenced in place of the soundtrack was awful. And Voldemort being two inches from Harry and not killing him didn't make sense. It's not like Dumbledore stopped him. He had a long time to kill him. I am not basing my opinion on a DA meeting...which was terrible...I am basing it on the entire movie which I saw and disliked.

Hey. I just got back from the midnight showing in my area. :) I loved this movie! It wasn't perfect, of course ... and real sticklers for the books will likely find a lot to complain about, but on the whole, it works alright.

They are definitely setting up for H/G in the next movie. Whenever there was a comment to Harry about Cho, it would cut to Ginny and she would have this grimace on her face. It was quite sad, the way they showed it. Especially since she's supposed to have moved on from crushing on Harry in the fifth book.

I liked Evanna as Luna. She *does* play the part right. The scene at the end was kind of weird. It makes it look like Luna might have a thing for Harry. I guess we'll find out what they do in the next movie ... and of course, we'll get the final resolution in 10 days!

Kreacher was well done, but did seem like the scenes with him were added in as an after thought. I guess it *was* Kreacher who was originally left out. The Thestrals were cool and I *loved* seeing Luna flying along on one. Of course, they didn't do the obvious funny scene of showing them all from Ron or Hermione's point of view (ie., no Thestrals.)

The DE vs OOTP fight scene was kind of weird. I guess they decided that apparating wizards leave a black cloud trail if they are evil and a white cloud trail if they are good. Very odd. Also, the AK which hit Sirius didn't seem to kill him outright. He kind of looks at Harry before he falls backwards into the veil. I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe being that he was so close to the veil allowed him to survive the AK, but the surprise of it caused him to fall backwards?

Last comment I have. Grawp. Um. Yeah. Well, I guess I can't think of anything to say about Grawp. At least the Centaurs didn't look like claymation creations this time. :)

Hope this post is ok. I know it says SPOILERS in the thread title, but I still feel like I need to post the spoiler marks here.

I had high expectations to be honest but the movie did not do justice. The plus point was much improved acting by Radcliffe. I agree with most of what Solaris23 said earlier. They changed some cool plot points which really ticked me off.. but all in all its a potter movie and i would probably watch it once again and buy the dvd as well..

having said that if this guy is slotted to direct the final two movies as well, like i heard, i would seriously hope warner brothers change their mind and go with someone with more imagination and passion for the books.

Also Kretcher was only involved considering JK said that there would be problems in movie seven if he were not introduced.

Also, the dreams and the real time scenes weren't indistinguishable, so your not even sure what is real and what is fake. Like Voldemort at the end....was he just an illusion or was he the real thing??

There was no balance, no focus and yes the magic was a bit over the top in this film. It dosen't explain it. Oh and Fred and George do seem kind of stupid in the movie. Leaving school because of one teacher, it doesn't explain that they got money to start their own joke shop, they are just cutting school because of one bad teacher. Stupid. The movie was VERY arkward. Yes, the end was the worst. OMG, what end??? There's no dramatic pacing, no time to take things in. Just bang bang bang, END.

You'd prefer the horribly forced and unnecessary "I hope you'll write" final scene of GoF? :rolleyes:


Did we really need to see the buildings separating when we first visit Grimmauld place? It dosen't make any sense, in the movie and the charm is not explained so what's the point? Tonks and kreacher feel like wastes of time in the film.

The buildings seperating was in the book too. Also, the Fidelius Charm wasn't explained in the PoA movie so there isn't a need to explain it now.


As I said it's not really a film....it's more like an extended montage. When the movie ended, I was like ready to see a real film afterwards.

I have to wait till I see the movie till I comment on this, but obviously the DA scenes, at least, would be a montage. People forget this is an 800-page book squeezed into 2 and a half hours.


Oh and what's with Filch's extended camera time? All this time wasted and he could have had a longer scene with Harry and Dumbledore at the end, and have it so we SEE them begin the scene and then go on with the scene. Don't cut into the middle of a scene, it doesn't feel real, it feels dis-jointed and we feel distant from the characters.



Oh dear, not again...not after his ridiculous GoF performance.

It's not like Dumbledore stopped him. He had a long time to kill him.
Again, isn't this canon? You seem to be criticising the book as well as the film ... ?

Good points of the film:
-Acting
-Direction

There seemed to be only one very negative aspect of this film (yet, despite existing singularly, this flaw practically ruined it): it has a tendency to convert the coolest scenes from the book into seemingly-unimportant, incomprehensible series of images. Sometimes literally, too (e.g. Snape's Worst Memory). But with Dumbledore's flight from Hogwarts, Sirius's death, and the fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore, nothing seemed to be of any consequence. There was never really an emotional grounds for any really important event in the movie.

And Dumbledore was disappointing again. Throughout his fight with Voldemort, he was consistently on the defensive.

What does it add to the plot (except length)? Books will never be films and films will never be books.

It proves Lucius wrong. He says something like "what could you kids do against me" and in the film adaptation, he was right, they were helpless. The book did not portray them as so. The were strong. Its not so much plot advancement but charactor development. What does it say about them that they were completley negated in the film, when in the book they are strong and talented?

Also, the dreams and the real time scenes weren't indistinguishable, so your not even sure what is real and what is fake. Like Voldemort at the end....was he just an illusion or was he the real thing??

I think that was the point...?

I just wish I hadn't read the book before hand and could easily ignore the plot changes. That way I could have thought of the movie as a movie and not compare it to the book.

I must say, I was very impressed with this movie. My feelings, however, are still extremely mixed. Luna and Bellatrix were both portrayed very well as was Umbridge. Though, as always, the movie was disappointing in its efforts to follow the book. As most of us think, an extra 15 or 20 minutes wouldn't have been too terrible to add another good scene or two in (cough St. Mungo's), but in the end, we have to settle for what we got. I was impressed with the soundtrack as well. I was always a fan of John Williams and was really mad when he no longer was composing the soundtracks, but I was very happy with OoTP's soundtrack. The special effects were also pretty good, most notably in the Dumbledore vs. Voldemort scene. The lack of Quidditch was bearable, though I really would have loved to hear the "Weasley is our king" chants. Fred and George are spectacular, and their 'departure' scene was very well done. The big mistletoe moment was absolutely overdone. The kiss lasts a tad bit too long and it was a little bit of a let down. Kreacher's insignificance should be noted, as he might as well have been completely cut if not used for luring Harry to the DOM. Marietta being completely cut from the movie and Cho becoming the one who reveals the DA to Umbridge was a move directed toward the fans of the movies, most definitely. It increases the tension between Harry and Cho and is better onscreen decision, but I was highly annoyed by it. Also, Sirius being hit by Avada Kedavra and then slowly drifting backwards through the archway, rather than being 'pushed' through by a stray spell was upsetting. It was not how that scene was supposed to be played out, I think most will agree.

I saw the movie with a bunch of friends, some who have read the books and some who have not. What I noticed was that the ones who hadn't read the books were found confused through some parts of the movie. I think it was mentioned before, but the DOM and the prophecy are not very clearly explained. Actually, nothing in this movie is very clearly explained so that someone who hasn't read the books could understand it. One of my friends was shocked when Voldemort's 'weapon' was "that stupid little ball?".

The DVD should be good though, I'm sure there will be some deleted scenes to look forward to (I could've sworn that the St. Mungo's scene was reported as being shot, if I'm not mistaken?)

The experience of seeing the midnight showing was amazing, as the company of 300 fellow die hard Potter fans is overwhelming. I'm very happy with my overall experience tonight, and I'm also pleased with the movie despite my criticisms.

In conclusion, OoTP is my favorite movie in the series so far. :tu::tu:

And Dumbledore was disappointing again. Throughout his fight with Voldemort, he was consistently on the defensive.


He is almost entirely defensive in the book as well. However, the fight has grace, and flare, and style in the book. It was all flashes and bangs in the movie.

Also, the dreams and the real time scenes weren't indistinguishable, so your not even sure what is real and what is fake. Like Voldemort at the end....was he just an illusion or was he the real thing??

Uh ... considering that Fudge saw Voldemort at the end, I'd say he was real.

He is almost entirely defensive in the book as well. However, the fight has grace, and flare, and style in the book. It was all flashes and bangs in the movie.

Actually, DD was on the offensive. First off he used that mysterious "gold" spell that Voldemort had to make a shield to deflect, then he used the fountain water to try and wrap Voldemort up.

If DD and Voldemort were linked like Priori Incantatem, what about the huge fire dragon mouthbreathing thingie from the previews that Voldemort conjures?

As for all the criticism, I haven't seen it yet but it seems like nitpicking to me, it doesn't sound nearly as bad as the plot mutilation in GoF. I can't believe how many people think that movie is one of the best HP ones...all the positive things said are what I'm looking for. If you ask me to explain why I hated GoF so much, I'll nitpick a LOT, yes (aside from all the godawful dialogue, terrible scene transition, godawful effect, lameness, overall cheesiness...) but the things that were changed in this movie don't bother me nearly as much. For example, changing the DA snitch to Cho (incidentally, this was revealed in the advance reviews months ago...does nobody read them?) doesn't bother me nearly as much as the huge plot holes created by the simplification of the Crouch Jr story in GoF. So what if they learn Levicorpus a year early? It just means one less spell Harry will learn from the Prince in HBP...it's not an essential spell or anything. And I am actually very, very happy that Bella kills Sirius with Avada Kedavra because it finally shuts up all the people who insist he will come back in DH. It's a simplification for the non-book readers, keep in mind.

:rolleyes:

The worst part about the Cho is the snitch thing is that she snitched b/c of Veritus Serum...yeah I know the spelling is totally off...which now effects the whole harry hating cho thing from now on.

I agree there is some nipicking going on, but there are major issues with this movie. I mean, they were going to cut out creature until JK said that he was very important to DH

on ginny i think it makes since that they had ginny glare at harry they have to have some basis for the next movie, it would be a bit random from a movie stand point to not allow the viewers to see that Harry/Ginny is going to happen. Anyone else enjoyed the power she ahd behind her reducto spell and stuff, she was pretty talented although she is in the books two and thats why she needs to be w Harry!

It proves Lucius wrong. He says something like "what could you kids do against me" and in the film adaptation, he was right, they were helpless. The book did not portray them as so. The were strong. Its not so much plot advancement but charactor development. What does it say about them that they were completley negated in the film, when in the book they are strong and talented?
We obviously have different ideas about character development. ;) The DA did an admirable job keeping the Death Eaters at bay in the Hall of Prophecy and the Veil Room. Sure action sequences are fun, but adding more fighting would have bogged down the film.

What does it add to the plot (except length)? Books will never be films and films will never be books.



You see, I take a completely different opinion on the fight scenes... The book was epic. The scope of Dumbledore/Voldemort's fight was massive -- complete with statues and destruction. The movie reduced the epic battle to a brief wand-lock and a few spell trades. Done.

The one thing you can't do in an action movie (which Harry Potter is, to a certain extent) is disappoint in battle scenes. Those are the bread-and-butter of CGI and special effects... Those are what truly makes the movie. Throw the epic battle scene out the window and you have very little to fall back on. Imagine what Revenge of the Sith would have been if the final duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan lasted two minutes before ending? It would have been a barely average movie with great special effects but lousy acting, set in the Star Wars' universe.

Without the epic Ministry battle, Order of the Phoenix became an average movie with average acting and good special effects.... that's all. A great fight scene would have made it an awesome movie. People were expecting the brains, the doors, the fight between Bellatrix and Sirius (NOT LUCIUS AND SIRIUS DARN IT), the utter mayhem, madness and destruction of the Ministry fight... and we received... Nothing.

Very deflating.

The worst part about the Cho is the snitch thing is that she snitched b/c of Veritus Serum...yeah I know the spelling is totally off...which now effects the whole harry hating cho thing from now on.

Harry doesn't hate Cho after OOTP, there's just a huge mutual awkwardness every time they see each other. When you make a list of all the people Harry hates (Snape, Malfoy, etc) I don't think you can rank Cho up there.


I agree there is some nipicking going on, but there are major issues with this movie. I mean, they were going to cut out creature until JK said that he was very important to DH

And they were supposed to know he was important, how?

Kreacher would be cut for obvious reasons, Dobby was recieved very poorly and house elves are expensive CGI.

Actually, DD was on the offensive. First off he used that mysterious "gold" spell that Voldemort had to make a shield to deflect, then he used the fountain water to try and wrap Voldemort up.

I suppose what I was getting at was his defence of Harry being far more pornounced in the books. What with the staues and all~

With Dumbledores reaction i would say that he would have found some way to block Voldemort from hitting Harry with and AK, plus he was trying ot get outta there once the ministry was there just wondering did anyone in ur movie theaters yell good call when fudge comes to the ministry of magic and says hes back? because our whole audience did oh and then i would say there were quite a few claps throughout.

You'd prefer the horribly forced and unnecessary "I hope you'll write" final scene of GoF? :rolleyes:



The buildings separating was in the book too. Also, the Fidelius Charm wasn't explained in the PoA movie so there isn't a need to explain it now.


I have to wait till I see the movie till I comment on this, but obviously the DA scenes, at least, would be a montage. People forget this is an 800-page book squeezed into 2 and a half hours.

You don't understand. It's not what they cut from the book, but what they cut of the movie! The MOVIE suffers, not interms of adapation but in terms of the movie itself!



Oh dear, not again...not after his ridiculous GoF performance.


What? No, I'd just prefer real scenes, not clips. I mean how fast do they want the movie to be? It literally FLIES. It ends before you even remember that your favorite scene in the book is already long over.

My point is, why can't they just arrive at the house and go in? It was so pointless and confusing, it looks they are going inside an extended apartment building, makes no sense.

You don't understand. It's not what they cut from the book, but what they cut of the movie! The MOVIE suffers, not interms of adaptation but in terms of the movie itself!

Tell me about it.

EDIT: Oh and I know Fudge saw Voldemort. What I meant was before the minister comes in. It switches between real Voldemort and vision voldemort and your not sure which is which.

If DD and Voldemort were linked like Priori Incantatem, what about the huge fire dragon mouthbreathing thingie from the previews that Voldemort conjures?

As for all the criticism, I haven't seen it yet but it seems like nitpicking to me, it doesn't sound nearly as bad as the plot mutilation in GoF. I can't believe how many people think that movie is one of the best HP ones...all the positive things said are what I'm looking for. If you ask me to explain why I hated GoF so much, I'll nitpick a LOT, yes (aside from all the godawful dialogue, terrible scene transition, godawful effect, lameness, overall cheesiness...) but the things that were changed in this movie don't bother me nearly as much. For example, changing the DA snitch to Cho (incidentally, this was revealed in the advance reviews months ago...does nobody read them?) doesn't bother me nearly as much as the huge plot holes created by the simplification of the Crouch Jr story in GoF. So what if they learn Levicorpus a year early? It just means one less spell Harry will learn from the Prince in HBP...it's not an essential spell or anything. And I am actually very, very happy that Bella kills Sirius with Avada Kedavra because it finally shuts up all the people who insist he will come back in DH. It's a simplification for the non-book readers, keep in mind.

:rolleyes:

The worst part about the Cho is the snitch thing is that she snitched b/c of Veritus Serum...yeah I know the spelling is totally off...which now effects the whole harry hating cho thing from now on.

I agree there is some nipicking going on, but there are major issues with this movie. I mean, they were going to cut out creature until JK said that he was very important to DH. The movies are all bad. They never had a chance to be good. Folks Folks Folks LUNA WAS BAD. The girl must have been given the same bad direction that DD has been receiving because neither of them understands their character. I am talking about theatre here people.

I suppose what I was getting at was his defence of Harry being far more pornounced in the books. What with the statuse and all~

What? You didn't notice DD push Harry back every time Harry got close to him? That was pretty defensive. :)

You see, I take a completely different opinion on the fight scenes... The book was epic. The scope of Dumbledore/Voldemort's fight was massive -- complete with statues and destruction. The movie reduced the epic battle to a brief wand-lock and a few spell trades. Done.

The one thing you can't do in an action movie (which Harry Potter is, to a certain extent) is disappoint in battle scenes. Those are the bread-and-butter of CGI and special effects... Those are what truly makes the movie. Throw the epic battle scene out the window and you have very little to fall back on. Imagine what Revenge of the Sith would have been if the final duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan lasted two minutes before ending? It would have been a barely average movie with great special effects but lousy acting, set in the Star Wars' universe.

Without the epic Ministry battle, Order of the Phoenix became an average movie with average acting and good special effects.... that's all. A great fight scene would have made it an awesome movie. People were expecting the brains, the doors, the fight between Bellatrix and Sirius (NOT LUCIUS AND SIRIUS DARN IT), the utter mayhem, madness and destruction of the Ministry fight... and we received... Nothing.

Very deflating.

Very well put:tu:

they could have indeed added a longer voldemort/dumbledore battle but i dont really mind it as is. although its not the book i think its well done!

I suppose what I was getting at was his defence of Harry being far more pornounced in the books. What with the staues and all~

Ah, misread it. Well, during the battle it's not like Voldemort is trying to kill Harry and Dumbledore at the same time. The statues, etc were placed there by DD to prevent Harry from trying to intervene (foreshadowing for HBP.)

What? You didn't notice DD push Harry back every time Harry got close to him? That was pretty defensive. :)

there was push back... i dunno though... so much less epic then the book... Harry was pined, Dumbles was in controll. Statues were takeing hits for him, Fawkes took a hit for him... none of that was there.

You see, I take a completely different opinion on the fight scenes... The book was epic. The scope of Dumbledore/Voldemort's fight was massive -- complete with statues and destruction. The movie reduced the epic battle to a brief wand-lock and a few spell trades. Done. The one thing you can't do in an action movie (which Harry Potter is, to a certain extent) is disappoint in battle scenes. Those are the bread-and-butter of CGI and special effects... Those are what truly makes the movie. Throw the epic battle scene out the window and you have very little to fall back on. Imagine what Revenge of the Sith would have been if the final duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan lasted two minutes before ending? It would have been a barely average movie with great special effects but lousy acting, set in the Star Wars' universe. Without the epic Ministry battle, Order of the Phoenix became an average movie with average acting and good special effects.... that's all. A great fight scene would have made it an awesome movie. People were expecting the brains, the doors, the fight between Bellatrix and Sirius (NOT LUCIUS AND SIRIUS DARN IT), the utter mayhem, madness and destruction of the Ministry fight... and we received... Nothing. Very deflating.
Visually, wand battles are very different to fights with light sabres / swords or anything else like that. Wands are a bit like guns, really, in the sense that they're impersonal. Killing someone with a sword or lightsabre is an intimate act -- in involves getting close to a person, almost being face to face with them, and then killing them. Voldemort and Dumbledore were fighting several metres apart. You can't maintain that sort of scene for very long. It just gets a bit same same.

Definitely the best movie so far. Time was used very well, most things cut appropriately, the story changed a bit but not ruined.

My thumbs up to... :


-- Final scene in the Ministry. In the book we don't get to know exactly what happened when Voldemort possessed Harry (he was temporarily unconscious), but in the movie it was shown and was GREAT! Vapour-Death-Eaters and vapour Aurors were nice too, even though it was not like that in the book the effects added a lot of impact.

-- Occlumency. We can see some of Snape's personality coming out. Marauders scene was short and direct to the point, with no pensieve. I love that part in the book, but in the movie it works well this way. Intelligent cut. I would have loved to see Snape storming and breaking jars after Harry though =P

-- Gary Oldman as Sirius. In this movie he actually shines, being a more complex character.

-- Umbridge and Luna Lovegood are WONDERFUL. Dot. I love to hate Umbridge, and that foul girly laugh almost made me threw a shoe at the screen, honestly. They gave some of Hagrid lines to Luna, specially concearning thestrals, which I think was ingenious and worked great.

-- I don't see Gamble fit for the role of Dumbledore, but I must admit he grew up a bit on the character, maybe realising DD is more than an eccentric old man. At least his performance was not as annoying as it was in PoA and GoF

-- Some of my most cherished Dumbledore's quotes were kept untouched. Favourite one:
'Well - it's just that you seem to be laboring under the delusion that I am going to - what is the phrase? - Come quietly. I am afraid I am not going to come quietly at all, Cornelius. I have absolutely no intention of being sent to Azkaban.' (But they cut the most ironic part: "I could break out, of course - but what a waste of time, and frankly, I can think of a whole host of things I would rather be doing.") Gamble is not nearly as politely ironic as the Dumbledore from the books, nor does he inspire the same respect. But well, nothing's perfect.

-- Clues about future relationships between Ginny/Harry and Hermione/Ron were great. So were the Weasley twins, as always.

-- Aberforth and the goats were funny XD (wasn't he thin, though?)

-- Cutting the scene in Dumbledore's office was good, it was too much text for the movie. The important part of that conversation was put into some other scenes, like when Harry heard the prophecy as soon as he touched it.

-- "Good one James!" - Sirius didn't say it in the book, but I thought it added something to the character.


I didn't like some things, though.

My thumbs down to:


-- Some interesting scenes being cut. For example: Mrs Longbottom and Lockhart in St Mungo's... Kreacher telling Harry that Sirius is not there... "Ron is our King" chant after Quidditch... The other rooms in department of mysteries and how Harry's friends were severely injured...

-- Bellatrix yelled 'Avada Kedavra' =/ I'm not saying Sirius is alive or anything, it's just that the movie was unfaithful to the books in a VERY important moment, and that shouldn't be done. I don't know if Rowling agreed with that, but agreed or not, I can't see a reason why they couldn't keep it exactly as it was written. The scene was much better in the book, it kept a suspense, a moment of disbelief, an then the sudden realization.

-- Harry's loss didn't seem to impress so much. The feeling was absolutely horrible in the book when we know Sirius, his only family, was dead... But in the movie there are even jokes after that. I don't think it was fit for the feelling we were supposed to share with Harry.

-- Music seemed misfit sometimes. Riding a thestral probably wasn't a wonderful flight like the song suggested, and the moment was tense, Harry thought Sirius was being tortured for god's sake! It was good music, just not very well put at some crucial moments

-- Harry is not as angry as he should. A little breaking Dumbledore's office would work for that purpose

-- I don't like how they keep minimizing Harry's bad qualities, making him more perfect than he is. Also, didn't like Ron losing 90% of his good lines =/

I would also have to say that Dumbledore indeed keep Harry protected when he could during the DoM battle. He kept knocking him away. Also the book might have clearned up sirius being killed by AK and not just because he fell through the vail. Im not going to say eh could have returned but i think since they ahd it happen that way it could possibly answer that question.

Also, who dressed up? Yeah, I know there is a thread for it, I'm just curious to know.

I didn't have a particular character in mind for my costume. Just a generic Ministry Auror. I don't have my Auror badge sewn onto my robe yet though. :)

This movie was trippin on Acid. Some of those scenes were so strange. "Hahahahaha, teaspoon"...so strange. It was really good though.

I would also have to say that Dumbledore indeed keep Harry protected when he could during the DoM battle. He kept knocking him away. Also the book might have clearned up sirius being killed by AK and not just because he fell through the vail. Im not going to say eh could have returned but i think since they ahd it happen that way it could possibly answer that question.

Knocking him away far better illustrates Dumbledore trying to keep Harry from intervening rather than just protecting him (which he was doing during the battle), IMO.

I'm not sure why I'm defending this so fiercely, I haven't even seen the movie yet. :lol:

most any spells could be distinguished as defensive or offensive...depending on which way you look at it (waterwrap...stops voldemort, etc.)...just want to put that out there...

And didnt harry fight Voldemort a little more in the book...i havent read the 5th in a while (currently on 4 in the reread process leading to 7) so i might be mistaken, but i do beleive Belletrix wasnt the one Harry used the uf curse on, but it was Voldemort...?

---main thoughts---
-Acting had a large range (from good to bad)[luna was portrayed amazingly
-things like props greatly dissapointed me(broomsticks, wands...same with all the movies)
-some scenes were well done,others were done horrible
-too much was left out...but i know it was hard for them(but i know im not the only one in saying that i wouldnt mind an extra hour just to get the whole story in there...i hope :P)

----too tired to post more now, maybe more----

P.S.-has any one on here ever thought that with the harry potter community...we could make an extremely good HP film, to make up for the dissapointing (but not bad) movies?

-- "Good one James!" - Sirius didn't say it in the book, but I thought it added something to the character.

Yeah, the look Harry had on his face at this point ... you could tell that he was hurt by it, I thought.

Again, isn't this canon? You seem to be criticising the book as well as the film ... ?



No...in the book it was done differently, or it seemed a little more time consciencous (sp?) V doesn't talk to H egging him on to perform the AK curse on B LeS. So I am not critizing the book...I am critizing the movie

QUOTE][-- Final scene in the Ministry. In the book we don't get to know exactly what happened when Voldemort possessed Harry (he was temporarily unconscious), but in the movie it was shown and was GREAT! Vapour-Death-Eaters and vapour Aurors were nice too, even though it was not like that in the book the effects added a lot of impact.

-- Occlumency. We can see some of Snape's personality coming out. Marauders scene was short and direct to the point, with no pensieve. I love that part in the book, but in the movie it works well this way. Intelligent cut. I would have loved to see Snape storming and breaking jars after Harry though =P

-- Gary Oldman as Sirius. In this movie he actually shines, being a more complex character.

-- Umbridge and Luna Lovegood are WONDERFUL. Dot. I love to hate Umbridge, and that foul girly laugh almost made me threw a shoe at the screen, honestly. They gave some of Hagrid lines to Luna, specially concearning thestrals, which I think was ingenious and worked great.

-- I don't see Gamble fit for the role of Dumbledore, but I must admit he grew up a bit on the character, maybe realising DD is more than an eccentric old man. At least his performance was not as annoying as it was in PoA and GoF

-- Some of my most cherished Dumbledore's quotes were kept untouched. Favourite one:
'Well - it's just that you seem to be laboring under the delusion that I am going to - what is the phrase? - Come quietly. I am afraid I am not going to come quietly at all, Cornelius. I have absolutely no intention of being sent to Azkaban.' (But they cut the most ironic part: "I could break out, of course - but what a waste of time, and frankly, I can think of a whole host of things I would rather be doing.") Gamble is not nearly as politely ironic as the Dumbledore from the books, nor does he inspire the same respect. But well, nothing's perfect.

-- Clues about future relationships between Ginny/Harry and Hermione/Ron were great. So were the Weasley twins, as always.

-- Aberforth and the goats were funny XD although

-- Cutting the scene in Dumbledore's office was good, it was too much text for the movie. The important part of that conversation was put into some other scenes, like when Harry heard the prophecy as soon as he touched it.

-- "Good one James!" - Sirius didn't say it in the book, but I thought it added something to the character.



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I agree 100 percent with this!

-- Some of my most cherished Dumbledore's quotes were kept untouched. Favourite one:
'Well - it's just that you seem to be laboring under the delusion that I am going to - what is the phrase? - Come quietly. I am afraid I am not going to come quietly at all, Cornelius. I have absolutely no intention of being sent to Azkaban.' (But they cut the most ironic part: "I could break out, of course - but what a waste of time, and frankly, I can think of a whole host of things I would rather be doing.") Gamble is not nearly as politely ironic as the Dumbledore from the books, nor does he inspire the same respect. But well, nothing's perfect.

YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!! That might be the most awesome quote in the whole book! I can't wait to see this scene!!!

Wow, 89 users browsing.

One of the major criticism from the book was:'How could six young teens kept at bay the cruel Death Eaters for such a long time and survive?'
I think the screenwriters and the director acknowledged that, and fairly reduced the time of the battle to not have that question raised again.
In my opinion the 'Book DE' looked like a bunch of idiots.

And they were supposed to know he was important, how?

Kreacher would be cut for obvious reasons, Dobby was recieved very poorly and house elves are expensive CGI.

Okay...I know what you are trying to get at, but I guess I am feeling that when they make these movies since they keep using a different director, it seems to me that they do not have great importance with sticking with the story line. Sometimes it seems as if they haven't read a book yet. The way DD is portrayed for example.

P.S.-has any one on here ever thought that with the harry potter community...we could make an extremely good HP film, to make up for the dissapointing (but not bad) movies?

Absolutely! My friends and I were discussing it after seeing OoTP tonight. I think that a die hard fan would have been able to cut scenes down and even cut other less needed scenes to make room for scenes wanted by the community (St. Mungo's!!).

A film (or films) organized entirely by fans would be amazing, if we had millions of dollars in a budget to make such films.

Well, I just got home from seeing the movie and my first thought is....it's about an 80% out of 100%, but if I could rate it based on the acting alone ...WOW. I mean I was completely blown away by the absolutely phenomenal acting!!! Almost everyone was very good-Emma has toned down the overacting, Daniel was really at his best here (still with a bit of "I'm acting!" but much less so) and Rupert was excellent as always. But the supporting cast! My god the woman who played Umbridge completely stole the show, she should get an award. Alan Rickman was NEVER better, he nailed Snape. Voldemort was believable, Lucius solid, Bellatrix pulled off the role nicely I thought. (Don't know all the actors names... :sad:) LUNA LOVEGOOD! That girl was amazing! It was almost as though everyone was giving it 110% to make up for the sadly still completely out of character Dumbledore, the best that can be said of him is that at least he didn't manhandle any students, and they gave him flashy effects to make him seem cool with the total lack of character...) And Sirius was very, very good here, Tonks nailed it too...Filch was great! Hagrid too! Trelawny and McGonogall!! the only two I found fault with were DD, who I have learned to just give up hope for, and Ginny Weasley who was quite wooden. I don't know how they're going to get her to act for the next film. But BRAVO to the cast I say! :tu::tu::tu:

One of the major criticism from the book was:'How could six young teens kept at bay the cruel Death Eaters for such a long time and survive?'
I think the screenwriters and the director acknowledged that, and fairly reduced the time of the battle to not have that question raised again.
In my opinion the 'Book DE' looked like a bunch of idiots.

Yeah, even Snape raised that issue, right in front of Bella, in HBP. So it's sort of a "we know" thing that the directors fixed.

I liked Harrys struggle to free himself from Voldemort i almost wanted to cry at the scene where the DA memebers at the DoM come in and see Harry struggling with Voldemort. I think here was also symbolic that Harry will not succumb to Voldemorts taunting he was able to ward him off with his emotions and his memories of his friends and loved ones (although i wish they would have had a clip of ginny lol) i like Harrys will power we see taht he will not succumb to evil and that he is indeed good. Like when he talks to Sirius and Sirius tells Harry that its pretty much all in his heart this is proven in that stuggle with Voldemort

i am definalty planning on seeing this movie again soon!!!!

on the topic of the film made by fans...if we could get enough people together and each donate like $20-30(sorry, im American,so i dont know the amount in any other currency) we could have a cast enough for hundreds of thousands of students or more, and plenty of money...maybe im thinking a little to big, but im sure there are millions of HP die hard fans out there...but im heading to bed so Prule, if you do want to discuss any more about, just message me, cuz i doubt ill get back to this topic by tommorow...im guessing, 40 pages...maybe more :P

I dressed up well me and my friends made t-shirts we made like practice quidditch jerseys i know there was no quidditch in the movie but i dont really think it was neccissary. OUr t-shirts have gryffindor quidditch team in red and an established date, on the back we have our last names and numbers. We are also planning a t-shirt for the book although those we are going to do something interesting for.

Despite all the criticism, I'm actually looking forward more to see this tomorrow...

The only times I truly am maddened at differences from the book are when they create huge plotholes like in GoF. Either that or over-simplification.

I LOVED IT. Like with PoA, there were many things left out, but also like with PoA, it came together so nicely, I can completely overlook the flaws. That is NOT the case for GoF, which is easily my least favorite.

The film is quite emotional, and I could really "feel" it. Especially when I was sad during SWM, laughing and jumping up and down (somewhat on the inside) during Fred and George's escape...and then it all gets sad again immediately. Pure awesome.

I wished the SWM scene could have been longer, and I wanted Lily to be there...but I was warned about that beforehand, so I was pretty pleased with it in the end.

I do KIND OF wish Snape's plotline had been tied in just a little better, but Alan Rickman did such an amazing job, I hardly care. He was more...creepy in general...than simply a strict teacher. He delivered his lines AMAZINGLY.

At first I also wished Harry had more time to reflect on SWM, but I decided it ties in with the "we all have light and dark" theme....Harry realizes his father wasn't perfect after wishing he could be as good as he thought his father was.

Luna was ADORABLE.

And finally, Helena Bonham Carter OWNS. Enough said.

It is almost five in the morning and I sound idiotic. I should go to bed so I can...see it again tomorrow!

I LOVED IT. Like with PoA, there were many things left out, but also like with PoA, it came together so nicely, I can completely overlook the flaws. That is NOT the case for GoF, which is easily my least favorite.

PoA truly was remarkable in the fact that it managed to cut the entire crucial backstory that explained the whole story and still made a beautiful and great film. GoF was truly terrible in the fact that it managed to cut the entire crucial backstory.

I wished the SWM scene could have been longer, and I wanted Lily to be there...but I was warned about that beforehand, so I was pretty pleased with it in the end.

Just wondering, if Lily was cast then why did she get cut from the scene?

Okay...so I'm not trying to insult people with half a brain here but COME ON. Do you know anything about acting? It was bad. And it is not just me who says this, professionals who reviewed this said it was bad acting. I enjoyed grawp, but very few things outside of that did I enjoy from the film. I know some of you are like 12 years old and don't know anything yet, but try. DR is not good...he may be cute to you but he is not good. several good moments in the film that couldn't fill in the 22 minutes needed to fill in a half hour tv shoe on Network TV

Despite all the criticism, I'm actually looking forward more to see this tomorrow...


Trust in rotsiepots!
She's always fairly judged Hp books and movies, so if she found OotP movie entertaining, I'm quite sure I'll find it the same.

I am hoping there will be a deleted scene that shows just a little more of SWM so Lily is present. O_O

Unless, of course, she's already there but only for a split second.

Folks Folks Folks LUNA WAS BAD.

How so? She was pretty much identical to the way she was in the book.

The girl must have been given the same bad direction that DD has been receiving because neither of them understands their character. I am talking about theatre here people.

I really have to disagree with you. I, for one, wasn't one of the countless people who constantly complained about Gambon's performance in GOF. How was he out of character in OOTP? One particular scene that stands out in my mind is the scene just after Harry has been possessed and Fudge has shown up. There's this absolutely heartbreaking shot of Dumbledore holding a limp Harry in his arms. This one shot should redeem Gambon in the eyes of all of the Gambon-haters, in my opinion.

o man..what a great movie. Harry did such a great job. LOOK AT ME..wow that was just amazing. I like how they potrayed LV going into his mind and Harry getting mad when DD didn't look at him. I must go see this in IMAX now. I want to so bad.

Okay...so I'm not trying to insult people with half a brain here but COME ON. Do you know anything about acting? It was bad. And it is not just me who says this, professionals who reviewed this said it was bad acting. I enjoyed grawp, but very few things outside of that did I enjoy from the film. I know some of you are like 12 years old and don't know anything yet, but try. DR is not good...he may be cute to you but he is not good. several good moments in the film that couldn't fill in the 22 minutes needed to fill in a half hour tv shoe on Network TV

Oh, congrats for being an (*cough*) adult. =)

Some movies can be appreciated even if the main character is not represented by a wonderful actor, though. HP movie is entertainment, not art. Some people keep misunderstandig that.

How so? She was pretty much identical to the way she was in the book.



I really have to disagree with you. I, for one, wasn't one of the countless people who constantly complained about Gambon's performance in GOF. How was he out of character in OOTP? One particular scene that stands out in my mind is the scene just after Harry has been possessed and Fudge has shown up. There's this absolutely heartbreaking shot of Dumbledore holding a limp Harry in his arms. This one shot should redeem Gambon in the eyes of all of the Gambon-haters, in my opinion.

I'm not trying to sound insulting, but just because you didn't complain about his performance in GOF doesn't make it good. It was bad. Luna too was bad. She's in Ravenclaw. She's suppose to be weird...really really weird but smart. And it's suppose to show. Luna wasn't Luny, she was stupid. She reminded me of Prof. Trelawney

How so? She was pretty much identical to the way she was in the book.



I really have to disagree with you. I, for one, wasn't one of the countless people who constantly complained about Gambon's performance in GOF. How was he out of character in OOTP? One particular scene that stands out in my mind is the scene just after Harry has been possessed and Fudge has shown up. There's this absolutely heartbreaking shot of Dumbledore holding a limp Harry in his arms. This one shot should redeem Gambon in the eyes of all of the Gambon-haters, in my opinion.

How can you NOT say Dumbledore was completely out of character in GoF? From the ANGRY SHAKING ("DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE HARRY???!!??") to FORCING the entire bottle of Veritaserum down Crouch's throat....

Gambon is a great actor who does what he is told (he hasn't read the HP books). Unfortunately for GoF, he was given terrible instructions by a director who didn't know what he was doing. If Dumbledore is out of character it's not his fault, it's the director's.

That being said, he looks way more on par with his PoA performance in this one, from all I've read....

I'm not trying to sound insulting, but just because you didn't complain about his performance in GOF doesn't make it good. It was bad. Luna too was bad. She's in Ravenclaw. She's suppose to be weird...really really weird but smart. And it's suppose to show. Luna wasn't Luny, she was stupid. She reminded me of Prof. Trelawney

See where your getting at now is how YOU look at her in book to movie form. To me she was the same as in the book. 98% the same. Maybe you thought she was stupid cause people were laughing at her? I mean people laughed at Snape every single line which I found weird because it wasn't funny at all...

Okay...so I'm not trying to insult people with half a brain here but COME ON. Do you know anything about acting? It was bad. And it is not just me who says this, professionals who reviewed this said it was bad acting. I enjoyed grawp, but very few things outside of that did I enjoy from the film. I know some of you are like 12 years old and don't know anything yet, but try. DR is not good...he may be cute to you but he is not good. several good moments in the film that couldn't fill in the 22 minutes needed to fill in a half hour tv shoe on Network TV

On the contrary, consensus seems to be that Imelda Staunton who played Dolores Umbridge, was quite good. Or so say these "professionals."

See where your getting at now is how YOU look at her in book to movie form. To me she was the same as in the book. 98% the same. Maybe you thought she was stupid cause people were laughing at her? I mean people laughed at Snape every single line which I found weird because it wasn't funny at all...

Hey, I laugh evilly at every Snape scene because he's just so awesome. Earlier tonight I was reading the chapter where Snape finds the Marauder's Map...priceless.

The problem with interpreting actors' performances when the movie is based on a book like this is everyone has a different view of the character.

Oh, congrats for being an (*cough*) adult. =)

Some movies can be appreciated even if the main character is not represented by a wonderful actor, though. HP movie is entertainment, not art. Some people keep misunderstandig that.


:lol: once again I wasn't trying to be demeaning. I just have high expectation for the movie because the books are so amazing that any movie based on the brilliance of the book ought to be great.

That is why HP movies need to be more than just mindless dribble to make money.

and regarding the whole acting thing...you are right. you don't need a good actor...I mean look at every keanu Reeves movie including and specifically The matrix Series which I enjoyred

See where your getting at now is how YOU look at her in book to movie form. To me she was the same as in the book. 98% the same. Maybe you thought she was stupid cause people were laughing at her? I mean people laughed at Snape every single line which I found weird because it wasn't funny at all...

I find myself laughing at most of Snape's lines. His sarcasm is just so amazing and awesome. It's more a laugh of appreciation than anything else, at least in my case. :lol:

I've got a feeling that this is another PoA? Either you love it or you hate it. I'm not seeing the film until Friday but when I do see it I think I'll take all what people have said and try to watch it an enjoy it as a film and not as an extension of the book because it's not, none of the films are.

I also have a feeling that it'll be the best film but one of the worst adaptations.
Currently my faveourite to least favourite stands thus:

1)GoF-The acting had improved so much and there wasn't as much cuts as in PoA
2)CoS-In my opinion the best adaptation, superly good and well done.
3)PoA-Good but not.... really good enough, Alfonso focused more on the cinematic veiw rather than the plot.
4)PS-Whereas it was very good at the time, and probably one of the best adaptations. 6 years on it doesn't stand up to what we've got now which is unfair but... people will always compare current films to older films, especially in the same franchise.

I wonder what that list will look like Friday night?

How can you NOT say Dumbledore was completely out of character in GoF? From the ANGRY SHAKING ("DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE HARRY???!!??") to FORCING the entire bottle of Veritaserum down Crouch's throat....

Unlike many fans, I am able to accept that the movies and the books are different things. I've heard many, many fans say that they understand and accept this truth about book-to-film adapting, but they really don't, because the second they get home from the film, they complain about nitpicky details being left out.

Can we not call each other childish names?

Everybody has different opinions and each is as valid as the last.

I have never thought Radcliffe was very good (in the HP films anyway) but his effort in OotP wasnt as bad as PoA or GoF.
Luna (IMO) was perfect. Dumbledore confused me. I think there should have been more of an explanation as to why he was avoiding looking at Harry.

Wow. I saw it a few hours ago, but I had to write an e-mail detailing my thoughts on it to everyone. And before that my sister and I made a memorial to Sirius outside and burned it. But now, I'm commenting!!!! I'm basically cpoying and pasting bits from my e-mail to my friends, so sorry if it seems a bit scattered.

Oh, and can we please take off the spoiler tags, mods? It says spoilers in capital letters in the title. Everything we discuss here is a spoiler! But I'll use them.

Sirius' death sucked. It was awful! Harry's reaction and everything was great, but the actual death sucked. First of all, the arch is like 50 feet tall (That's my best guess - I'm so awful at estimating measurements), which I think was a bit excessive, but I know some of you pictured it as HUGE! Well, there also wasn't a veil. It was like.... have you ever seen a science fiction movie where there's like a force field like a bubble or something? It was sort of like that. And then Bellatrix Avada Kedavra-ed Sirius! She yelled it, there was green light, it was definitely an AK. Not only is this incorrect, it ruins the mystery of the veil, in my opinion. In the books, we don't know what curse it was. It was presumably red, because the one before it was red. But we aren't given any of the usual description of the AK. No blinding flash of green light, no dead-before-you-hit-the-ground stuff. In the movie, Sirius is struck by the spell, turns to look at Harry, falls through the "veil," and is like sucked up through it.

The Snape's Worst Memory scene was awful as well. We could hardly see it, it was flashing by so fast. Harry didn't go through a Pensieve, he saw it through the Legilimency backfiring thing. I could hardly see anything! I'm very ****** off at that.

I loved the new rules Umbridge was making! Like "Girls and boys may not be closer than eight inches from each other." That was hilarious!

I'm glad they changed the Floo Powder fireplace communication, too. The one from GoF was awful.

I wasn't really happy with Dan and Emma's acting all the time, though. I loved the new people like Imelda, Helena Bonham Carter, and Evanna; but Emma seemed... eh part of the time. That was partly because some of her lines were cut down and didn't flow well together, though. So it wasn't all her fault. Rupert was as good as always, though.

All in all, it was my favorite movie. The beginning at Hogwarts went to fast for my liking, but once we got farther into it, it was fantastic! And my heart just broke everytime Sirius even came onscreen!

I'm not trying to sound insulting, but just because you didn't complain about his performance in GOF doesn't make it good. It was bad. Luna too was bad. She's in Ravenclaw. She's suppose to be weird...really really weird but smart. And it's suppose to show. Luna wasn't Luny, she was stupid. She reminded me of Prof. Trelawney

I disagree wholeheartedly with this.

Luna did come across as intelligent -- she was one of the first to produce a fully-formed patronus -- but above all she came across as flighty and air-headed. That's exactly how the book portrayed her. Lynch captured the essence of Luna, from her walk to the lilt of her voice (sounding vague and far-off). The other students mock Luna for her outward appearance and mannerisms and she hides her intelligence behind "loony" talk of gnargles and the like. I'm sure most of Hogwarts simply make fun of Luna and wonder how she got into Ravenclaw, being as batty as she is...

To me, this is one area of the film that needed no improvement.

On the contrary, consensus seems to be that Imelda Staunton who played Dolores Umbridge, was quite good. Or so say these "professionals."


I agree whole-heartedly...Imelda Staunton was great. She was the perfect person for the part. I adored her performance. I wish that it was as integral to the movie as it was the book.

Maggie Smith...great
Imelda...great
Gambon...oh, boy...we can work with him but he needs to be more regal...more powerful. less weak. less petty
The three biggies...how long can we use the excuse that they are just kids when referring to their bad acting.
Ginny...fine
Mr. & Mrs. Weasley...good match

shall I go on on the right and wrong choices for the movies

KB as Lockhart...Totally wrong

Unlike many fans, I am able to accept that the movies and the books are different things. I've heard many, many fans say that they understand and accept this truth about book-to-film adapting, but they really don't, because the second they get home from the film, they complain about nitpicky details being left out.

I only nitpick when there was something I REALLY looked forward to seeing on screen. Otherwise, I can accept the movies as a whole. GoF is the only exception to this rule in my mind.

I walked out of the movie and heard a group of girls nitpicking right away. I was way too in shock from the intensity of the ending scenes to even THINK about that. O_O

I disagree wholeheartedly with this.

Luna did come across as intelligent -- she was one of the first to produce a fully-formed patronus -- but above all she came across as flighty and air-headed. That's exactly how the book portrayed her. Lynch captured the essence of Luna, from her walk to the lilt of her voice (sounding vague and far-off). The other students mock Luna for her outward appearance and mannerisms and she hides her intelligence behind "loony" talk of gnargles and the like. I'm sure most of Hogwarts simply make fun of Luna and wonder how she got into Ravenclaw, being as batty as she is...

To me, this is one area of the film that needed no improvement.

I agree. Luna was never really portrayed as particularly intelligent (school-wise, that is) in the books anyway! In the first DA lesson, she was pretty sketchy, only managing to knock her partner's wand out of his hand about half of the time. The other half, his hair would just stand on end or something. She's wise, as portrayed in the movie, but not extremely talented at magic or anything.

I saw less flaws in this one then the other ones, either that or i just over looked them. THis movie is brilliant in my opinion so many good important scenes were included.

Ginny's acting was fine because she hasnt done anything since CoS

Unlike many fans, I am able to accept that the movies and the books are different things. I've heard many, many fans say that they understand and accept this truth about book-to-film adapting, but they really don't, because the second they get home from the film, they complain about nitpicky details being left out.

There's a huge difference between book-to-film changes and blatant character assassination. I mean, seriously, it says quite clearly in the book that Dumbledore said that line quite calmly.

C'mon directors, JKR always uses adverbs to describe the way everyone says everything, read them! :lol:

I agree. Luna was never really portrayed as particularly intelligent (school-wise, that is) in the books anyway! In the first DA lesson, she was pretty sketchy, only managing to knock her partner's wand out of his hand about half of the time. The other half, his hair would just stand on end or something. She's wise, as portrayed in the movie, but not extremely talented at magic or anything.

Remember she is in Ravenclaw (w00t, my house!).

I disagree wholeheartedly with this.

Luna did come across as intelligent -- she was one of the first to produce a fully-formed patronus -- but above all she came across as flighty and air-headed. That's exactly how the book portrayed her. Lynch captured the essence of Luna, from her walk to the lilt of her voice (sounding vague and far-off). The other students mock Luna for her outward appearance and mannerisms and she hides her intelligence behind "loony" talk of gnargles and the like. I'm sure most of Hogwarts simply make fun of Luna and wonder how she got into Ravenclaw, being as batty as she is...

To me, this is one area of the film that needed no improvement.

actually she wasn't...I believe she was the third. Hermione's horse was first and somebody had a squirrel second and then she had a rabbit

actually she wasn't...I believe she was the third. Hermione's horse was first and somebody had a squirrel second and then she had a rabbit

Horse? In the book she had a seal...this is definitely one of those changes made for no reason... oh well.

Ginny's acting was fine because she hasnt done anything since CoS

true...until this movie. and she was fine...it's often about the subtleties with her character.

I quite enjoyed Ginny, Luna, and Neville in this film. Especially in showing Ginnys ability and facial expressions that are shown, Ron and Hermione i though were quite cute. Dumbledore i think was portrayed better will be interesting to see him in HBP. I think Emma Watson is a brilliant HErmione and Rupert and Dan are getting better i enjoyed them very much. Like the Ron/Harry relationship and everything he was doing for Harry. Sirius/Harry relationship loved it! LUna was portrayed nicely as well as Umbridge she was portrayed just as i imagined her maybe even worse. The effects were great.

Visually, wand battles are very different to fights with light sabres / swords or anything else like that. Wands are a bit like guns, really, in the sense that they're impersonal. Killing someone with a sword or lightsabre is an intimate act -- in involves getting close to a person, almost being face to face with them, and then killing them. Voldemort and Dumbledore were fighting several metres apart. You can't maintain that sort of scene for very long. It just gets a bit same same.


True it is different, and true it is difficult... but it can be done. Much of the Yoda/Palpatine fight was accomplished without lightsabers, with Palpatine throwing half the Senate at our poor Jedi Master. Albeit it was a much shorter scene than the V/D battle would be... it is still possible. They have to be able to work around those limitations since this is a movie about wizards.

I think I just got suckered into "great expectations." I had no expectations except for the ending. The final chapters of the book so profoundly broke my heart that I truly wanted to see it replicated on screen. I wanted to feel heartbreak at Sirius's death and I didn't even cry. This coming from the woman who cried for literally 15 minutes straight when I read Sirius's death. Movies are supposed to touch the heart visually, provoking emotions that rarely are felt in book form... and I felt.... barely nothing. I shocked even myself at the cold-hearted reaction I had to my all-time favorite character's death. The entire movie I loved -- I admired the casting, the acting, the soundtrack, the effects and even the screenplay adaptation -- but the final part just ruined the experience for me. Of course, that's just my opinion... one of countless fans.. and it doesn't mean it makes the experience any less for other people... it just disappointed me, that's all.

Ah well, at least it'll teach me a lesson.... Not to go into Half Blood Prince with ANY expectations about the end.

I agree whole-heartedly...Imelda Staunton was great. She was the perfect person for the part. I adored her performance. I wish that it was as integral to the movie as it was the book.

Maggie Smith...great
Imelda...great
Gambon...oh, boy...we can work with him but he needs to be more regal...more powerful. less weak. less petty
The three biggies...how long can we use the excuse that they are just kids when referring to their bad acting.
Ginny...fine
Mr. & Mrs. Weasley...good match

shall I go on on the right and wrong choices for the movies

KB as Lockhart...Totally wrong


You know I basically agree with everything you wrote, except Ginny really doesn't show much promise I think. But definitely agree about Gambon. Basically, you probably have a problem with the child actors. I agree there, but i do think Rupert Grint is an exceptional actor for a child actor, as well as Evana (sp?) Anyway I thought Emma was atrocious in the earlier movies but maybe because of that she didn't seem as bad in this one. And Daniel, same goes for him but you have to admit he did really well with the possession scene! Anyway, it's hard to find good child actors. The adult cast is overall wonderful and it showed in this movie, and it overshadowed some of the child acting...which I was just fine with! Wish they would give Rupert more lines, though, instead of Emma. But, you know, she's pretty...sigh!

actually she wasn't...I believe she was the third. Hermione's horse was first and somebody had a squirrel second and then she had a rabbit

I know she wasn't first... That's why I said "one of the first"

EDIT: Wasn't Hermione's an otter? Ginny's was the horse, I believe. Ginny went first and Hermione second. I could be wrong, but I know for a fact that Hermione's Patronus is an otter.

See where your getting at now is how YOU look at her in book to movie form. To me she was the same as in the book. 98% the same. Maybe you thought she was stupid cause people were laughing at her? I mean people laughed at Snape every single line which I found weird because it wasn't funny at all...

I HAVE FOUND THAT I FIND MOVIE SNAPE VERY LIKABLE. Book snape isn't at all. That is why there's all the discussion about if he is good or not. Based off the movie I can't see him kill DD. He doesn't act like a bad guy...which is his role. I have always struggled and been angered by that.

ok i seen it at 12:20 and I thought it was AMAAAAAZING!! I LOVED IT!the only thing its that it was sad it was too fast paced and u couldnt really appreciate every scene, but oh well its 900pages book, I have to live with it ! but over all I really really like.. and im too lazy to be more detailed but I have a question to all of u !!

who did like grawp? cause i LOVED him! I wanted more of him! and it was my least favorite part of the whole book! WB did really an amazing decision of him being more nice than aggresive like in the books

and

was the audience crazy? cause here they were! they were cheering and laughing and awww every moment, thats what I like about midnight screenings!

oh and snape's worst memory even thought it was just for less than 15seconds I think it was really well made for the movie, and we get the point of it, that harry's dad was a bully with snape and thats what matters