SPOILERS: So, who has seen OotP?

I know she wasn't first... That's why I said "one of the first"

EDIT: Wasn't Hermione's an otter? Ginny's was the horse, I believe. Ginny went first and Hermione second. I could be wrong, but I know for a fact that Hermione's Patronus is an otter.

sorry...miss read that then. But just because of that doesn't mean much. I mean in the book Neville started learning quicker later in the meetings and he is no MENSA

I HAVE FOUND THAT I FIND MOVIE SNAPE VERY LIKABLE. Book snape isn't at all. That is why there's all the discussion about if he is good or not. Based off the movie I can't see him kill DD. He doesn't act like a bad guy...which is his role. I have always struggled and been angered by that.
I found him likeable in this movie. I felt so sorry for him. But in the others he was just a bit meanie. Hopefeully the audience will remember that for HBP

I like JediBeldarine cry at the drop of a hat but just found the end of the movie emotionless. Harry also seemed to forget about Sirius pretty quickly, aside from the music covered scream, he didn't look like he had suffered much of a loss really.

I see discussion has been rampant already! Here are my thoughts:

I really enjoyed the movie overall. The acting was very good. I loved Luna. She was perfect. I loved the interactions between Ron and Hermione. They were so sweet, flirty, and telling of things to come =) I loved the foreshadowing of Ginny/Harry. I loved the spin they put on Harry's feelings. How he's worried about becoming bad, and it is his love that keeps him from succumbing to Voldemort. That possession scene was fantastic.

Things I did not like: When we first see Hermione, I could not stand the acting. She was breathless and over reacting and very antsy, and this was before Harry started ranting.

I did not like how Sirius died. It did not have enough impact. I thought Harry's reaction was great, but it was too short. I also DID NOT like how he called him James right before he died. If they were going to use that sub plot they should have put it in earlier in the movie where it belonged.

I did not think the duel at the end was very powerful. Dumbledore was great in character though. I just wished there was something more to it.

My biggest disappointment was the lack of reaction to Sirius' death. We should have seen Harry grieve more and not quip some line about having something to fight for. Great end movie line but it tries to end things on a positive note when there are too many dark things that have yet to be addressed. I wanted to see Harry rant at Dumbledore and Dumbledore did not say anything revealing or special to Harry, IMO. And I don't think the audience who does not read the books could understand why Dumbledore thought ignoring Harry would make Voldemort less likely to invade Harry's mind. I wanted to see Harry get angry.

However, I really liked how Harry yelled at Dunmbledore after seeing the vision of Arthur and the snake. It wasn't written in the book that way, but it worked really well, and fit perfectly wit how Harry was feeling at the time.

Overall great movie. And did I say I loved Luna? She was fantastic!

I like JediBeldarine cry at the drop of a hat but just found the end of the movie emotionless. Harry also seemed to forget about Sirius pretty quickly, aside from the music covered scream, he didn't look like he had suffered much of a loss really.

Yeah true. He didnt seem too upset after.

The ending was corny but not as bad as some of the others. Im SO glad this didnt happen at the end:
Harry: We've got something Voldemort doesnt
Rom: What?
Harry: Each other...

:lol: After Ron said 'what?' I held my breath and prayed

im not going to bluntly say that i hated it, but it was a big dissapointment. it is my new least favourite film. i feel like it was poorly directed and i flowed poorly, and im now worried about the sixth movie. i thought sirius's death could have been alot more emotional as i found cedrics alot sadder. i wasnt even on the verge of tears when sirius died. the begining and end of the movie were both poorly done, but i thoroughly enjoyed all of the stuff at hogwarts with umbridge and the DA. there were alot of changes to the storyline but i didnt expect it to be all be the same, so i tried not to let it annoy me too much. it could have easily been longer, and the ministry scene should have expanded.

Well, I was extremely happy with the outcome of this film.

I'm probally going to be one of the few who really enjoyed the MoM scenes in the film but I think they did an AMAZING adaptation of that. They got a bit of the fighting right for each half of the crowd. For the hard core potter fans, Harry + Sirius was very true to how dueling was in the book and for the non-potterfanatics there was plenty of flashy stuff, able to tell what was going on and able to tell who was the good and the bad. Perfectly orchestrated in my opinion.

The DD/V fight... hrm, it COULD have been better and they COULD have done it just like in the book but I think from a cinematic stand point the direction they choose was much better. I mean think about it, do you really think a lot of what happened in the book would be visually satisfying? They made that battle very good with trying to please BOTH crowds and they included tidbits in it that Potterfanatics could associate with and enjoy.

The possession scene, perfect. I think most people won't understand the part of Voldemort trying to get Harry to kill Bellatrix though. I see this movie as doing many, MANY things in a subtle way that most people won't pick up on. Many people need things thrown in their face. Like with Voldemort trying to coax Harry into killing Bella, I didn't see that as a Star Wars esquee moment but as two things. (I'm finding this hard to word) I saw it more as... two things, some foreshadowing showing that Harry won't use the AK and second that no matter how much has happened to him, Voldemortes influence, Sirius's death, his entire past. He remains pure of heart. His greatest strength! He does not stain himself, however much I feel IRL that killing certain people is fine... story wise that idea is enjoyable lol.

My last little comment, sorry for being so long winded! is that I find all the acting perfect in this film. Without any of the cheesy lines I especielly think Radcliffe did exceptionally well. I know a lot of people disagree but there is something about him that makes him feel like Harry Potter to me, he comes off not exactly as natural in the sense we're used to.. but natural at how I picture Harry Potter being I guess? Maybe i'm just weird and can't spot bad acting. :)

I can't believe I'm the only member of CoS who has seen OotP.

I thought I knew where you're located, Rotsie - how the heck did you manage to have already watched the movie??? :D Twelve more hours to go to the midnight premiere... I'm so excited. Hope I don't fall asleep though :scared: (because I'm one of those hophop to bed people, I'm not used to staying up until three o'clock on a weekday)

By the way, do they show a whole lot of adverts before the film starts? I mean, if the film is supposed to start at midnight, what can I reckon with when to be at home again?

I thought I knew where you're located, Rotsie - how the heck did you manage to have already watched the movie??? :D Twelve more hours to go to the midnight premiere... I'm so excited. Hope I don't fall asleep though :scared: (because I'm one of those hophop to bed people, I'm not used to staying up until three o'clock on a weekday)

By the way, do they show a whole lot of adverts before the film starts? I mean, if the film is supposed to start at midnight, what can I reckon with when to be at home again?

Depending on how far you are from your theatre, i'm a 5-10 minute drive and was home around 3-3:30

I saw it last night here in Germany. It would have been better if they had showed it in origional language, but what can you do? I'm glad I didn't wait for it to come to the cheepy english theater, the effects were amazing.

Belatrix was great, Snape's worst memory was great, the twins were great, Umbridge was delectabley evil, they didn't leave any important part of the book out (something that has been terribley neglected since Chamber of Secrets), Sirius's death wasn't how I had pictured it, but still brought a tear to my eye. Grawp was really loveable, although I was hoping to hear him say "Hermy" (although, maybe I missed something having seen it in german :grumble:).

The posession scene was really creepy. All the fighting scenes at the ministry were really well done. Too bad they left out the brain scene, that would have been interesting...and Harry destroying Dumbledore's office.

Yeah true. He didnt seem too upset after.

The ending was corny but not as bad as some of the others. Im SO glad this didnt happen at the end:
Harry: We've got something Voldemort doesnt
Rom: What?
Harry: Each other...

:lol: After Ron said 'what?' I held my breath and prayed

THAT'S SOOO FUNNY. Somebody behind me said "each other..." as I thought it, and when he didn't say that I breathed a sigh of relief

was the audience crazy? cause here they were! they were cheering and laughing and awww every moment, thats what I like about midnight screenings!

oh and snape's worst memory even thought it was just for less than 15seconds I think it was really well made for the movie, and we get the point of it, that harry's dad was a bully with snape and thats what matters

My audience was crazy too!

I did not like Snape's worst memory. It was too fast to even get a good look at the actors. Also, we do not see how Harry reacted to it. Is he upset because Snape is angry? It does not show how disconcerted he feels to learn his dad was every bit as arrogant as Snape had always said.

(Psssst. Snape was er—yummy in this movie )

My audience was crazy too!

Wish I could say the same. Very few people actually cheered. My group was very enthusiastic about clapping and cheering at the important parts, but the majority of the audience just wasn't into it. Don't they understand that a big part of the midnight/opening day experience is cheering at the beginning and during all of the major parts of the movie?

I must say I was quite pleased with myself when my friend and I actually managed to start up a huge cheer when Dumbledore made his exit with Fawkes.

I did not like Snape's worst memory. It was too fast to even get a good look at the actors. Also, we do not see how Harry reacted to it. Is he upset because Snape is angry? It does not show how disconcerted he feels to learn his dad was every bit as arrogant as Snape had always said.
That's one point that they will probably never be able to catch on film. There are so many details that get lost along the way in the HP movies, I felt this point wasn't a terrible one to sacrifice. They left out the whole Marauders part in PoA, which was a real sacrifice to the plot. I think the movie was well thought out and well displayed, in almost every aspect...

Come on, you can't make an HP fan completely satisfied unless the movie continues for 7 hours.

Seems to me like the movie is very well done... I got one more question to those who seen it (spoiler below is for the trailer only, I haven't seen the movie):

The trailer shows a part where Harry sees Voldemort in King Cross station. Voldemort is wearing a muggle looking black suit. Where is this scene is in the movie and what it's all about? I really hope Harry imagining him, because it will be really stupid otherwise... Voldemort won't just show up in King Cross with so many wizards around.

(Psssst. Snape was er—yummy in this movie )
Young Snape? If so, I agree :p

Seems to me like the movie is very well done... I got one more question to those who seen it (spoiler below is for the trailer only, I haven't seen the movie)

When you first see Voldemort, it appears as though Harry hasn't gotten on the train yet, but after Voldemort has been on screen for a few seconds, Harry wakes up on the train. So it was a dream.

At least is was no Goblet of Fire. I thought that Lucius could not have been any more evil. Dudly (the git) was horrible. Mr Dursley looks like he won't live long enough to film the next movie. Grawp, what a waste of screen time. I would have liked to see them mention the fact that Ron and Hermione and Malfoy were prefects. The scene I most wanted to see was Umbridge and McGonagall squaring off about Harry's Auror future. Also I did not like the Cho Chang as the snitch aspect but I can understand the usage to incorperate two different parts in the book together for time. Favorite is still POA but I will be seeing this again in a few hours so maybe. Overall very very good and worth the wait.

Seems to me like the movie is very well done... I got one more question to those who seen it (spoiler below is for the trailer only, I haven't seen the movie):

The trailer shows a part where Harry sees Voldemort in King Cross station. Voldemort is wearing a muggle looking black suit. Where is this scene is in the movie and what it's all about? I really hope Harry imagining him, because it will be really stupid otherwise... Voldemort won't just show up in King Cross with so many wizards around.

It's just a dream, he wakes up from it on the train. I think it's another part of the movie that eludes to my previous post. It will anger a lot of fans to see him in that outfit but I saw it as a kind of.. subtle mirroring effect the way they were staring at each other, Harry was in Muggle clothes as well. It fits with the possession bit.

Mr Dursley looks like he won't live long enough to film the next movie.

Yes, he did seem rather subdued. I thought he didn't seem quite angry enough, but it was probably because he was tired from the hot weather.

Yes, he did seem rather subdued. I thought he didn't seem quite angry enough, but it was probably because he was tired from the hot weather.

I've never really been impressed by the actors protrayals as the Dursleys. It has always lacked that Dursley "charm". It's just not extreme enough. Mrs. Figg and the Dementor attack were the best parts of the beginning of the movie.

I've never really been impressed by the actors protrayals as the Dursleys. It has always lacked that Dursley "charm". It's just not extreme enough. Mrs. Figg and the Dementor attack were the best parts of the beginning of the movie.

Funny, I always found the Dursleys to be well done but I thought Figg was lacking. She did ok during the trial part but she wasn't really an important character so meh.

my opinion...

Very good movie, overall. However, i do have some things i was a bit upset about..

One thing i felt should have been included was THE TWO WAY MIRROR. JK has said that we will see the mirror again, yet it was nowhere. I was so beyond disappointed with the Sirus dying. Not only did they make a HUGE MISTAKE [in the book, sirius was NOT hit with advada kedavra, he was hit with a red jet of light.] but they did not play off Harry's emotions well enough.. They didn't include enough of the grieving and anguish he suffered after Sirius was killed. I hated it. Though some have said that the movie death of Sirius cleared things up, i completely disagree. Why would they eliminate one of the biggest questions surrounding book seven? It makes no sense, which is why i feel whole-heartedly that it was a mere mistake, an overlook, if you will.

I loved the possessed scene though, it was incredibly done.

Luna was hands down the best! I was so impressed! They couldnt have casted her better.

in the book, sirius was NOT hit with advada kedavra, he was hit with a red jet of light
What version do you have? My british version states: 'Harry saw Sirius dich Bellatrix's jet of red light: he was laughing at her.
"Come on, you can do better than that!" he yelled, his voice schoing around the cavernous room. The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest. The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.'
It doesn't say what colour the second jet of light is. I always thought JK did that on purpose so we wouldn't figure it out right away.

I agree with you, though. Luna was perfect!

:lol: After Ron said 'what?' I held my breath and prayed
Oh my gosh, me too. :lol: I was like... please don't be anything too corny....

and

was the audience crazy? cause here they were! they were cheering and laughing and awww every moment, thats what I like about midnight screenings!
The reason I go to the midnight showing is because all of the fans. The crowd I was with was insane! This group of teen boys came running into the theater screaming "Harry Potter! Harry Potter! Oh my God! Harry Potter! YEAH!!" and the audience all laughed, cheered, and yelled "oh no she didn't!" when Umbridge slapped Harry. How I love the midnight showing people.

Anyway, I personally loved the movie. Of course, it wasn't perfect, I don't think it's possible for any Harry Potter movie to be perfect. But it's still my favorite out of the five. Michael Gambon did better than I expected. At least he didn't shake Harry when he was being possessed by Voldemort or something... lol.... The things I would've changed is I would've had Harry have a longer talk with Dumbledore at the end and I would've had more of the Occlumency lessons with Snape shown. I was kind of disappointed at the lack of Occlumency. Those are the two things that stick out in my mind that I would have changed.

One thing I did love was the way they showed glimpses from the other movies. That was cool. The possession scene was very well done, maybe a bit too dramatic, but good. And Luna Lovegood was exactly as I imagined her.

I wish Id gone to a midnight screening (dont know if there were any here)... my audience were lame! LOTR3 audience were great (went at midnight). So much fun. But my audience were older and just... no fun at all.

Nice cut down on corny lines in OotP

I think my favorite moment of the midnight crowd was during the Cho/Harry kissing scene. He was about to talk up to her and someone yelled. "Get um!"

My friend that I brought along that was making fun of me and all the other potterfanatics became a Harry/Luna shipper during the movie too

My previous ranking of the movies before seeing this one was 3,4,1, and 2. Now it's 5,3,4,1,and 2. Goblet of Fire really should have been the movie to elevate the series to another level while it succeeded a little it still wasn't as good as I thought it could have been. Well David Yates seriously took a HP film and made it into something that literally has elevated it to a more mature, darker, and EMOTIONAL level. The acting from the kids has always been decent but now there are no more "shady" moments from them. Dan's acting has tremendously improved. He actually conveys emotions very very well unlike his previous attempts that always ended up being kind of embarrassing almost rather than emotional. So kudos to him for literally transforming into a great actor. I was very happy about that. Emma and Rupert have improved as well. Everyone in this movie was fantastic. EVERYONE. This is definitely my favorite so far and I'm REALLY excited now about HBP because this movie really captured the emotional aspect of the book very well and seeing how the next one dwelves deeper wit the death of Dumbledore (R.I.P.) I just can't imagine it because this movie gave me goosebumps and no other HP movie has done that. I guess I'm going to break the next part up into two categories: Likes and Dislikes.

Likes:
-I loved Helena as Bellatrix Lestrange. Let me tell you there is no other woman on this planet that I think could have captured that character as well as what she did. Seriously by far one of the best things about this movie. I was worried cause she said that she didn't have many lines in the film, but the lines she has are very important and actually help further the plot line rather than some filler (which I was deeply afraid would be all she was given). She is my favorite death eater and awesome one at that.
-Kreacher. Now if you now, they were going to remove Kreacher from the film but Joe said keep him in there because "you will have your hands tied with the 7th film". Well he as well doesn't get many scenes in fact he only has two. And again i was afraid they were going to remove the picture of Sirius's mother. But in the first scene with Kreacher he is rambling on about mudbloods and such and he walks over to the covered portrait which is the portrait of his mother. They don't say it in the movie but fans of the book will notice it.
- The subtle hints of the new relationships fixing to happen in the future. I love the couple of scenes when Ginny makes some eye contact with Harry. Oh and if you also notice right before Harry and Cho kiss that Ginny kinda lingers around in the background and slowly walks away while looking at Harry. I LOVED it Of course you have Ron and Hermione but yeah.
-Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood. Again perfect choice for her. Seriously that girl captures her character very well. I loved it. She was fantastic and all the little quirks she has are in the movie.
-Thestrals- Loved them.
-Ministry of Magic-Loved it as well.
-Umbridge- Well well well, perfect choice I think again. In the movie she just so creepy and eerie. It's crazy.
-The goat in the Hogs Head. If you have read the books you'll know all about Aberforth (DD Brother and his incident with the goat and such) and I thought it was just a little subtle thing for the book readers. It was almost like an inside secret between the book readers.

Dislikes:
-I didn't like how Lupin didn't have any lines hardly at all since he is one of my favorite characters.
-Tonks. Well I liked the actress who played her and she played the part well, I just didn't lie the fact that she wasn't as rockerish as I had pictured her. No not a rockstar (cause I know what your thinking) but in the books she has short hair that is bright pink and well it's not in the movie more of a light light shade of pink and long hair. Also they don't explain why she can change her hair and her nose,etc. But fans of the book know why but yeah they don't explain it.
-I did not like how they allowed the Death Eaters to fly. Visually it was stunning and really cool to watch, but they're witches and wizards not birds. So basically I convinced myself that they were apparating (I hope I spelled that right, doubt it though) and yeah that's what I'm going to call it. It was awesome just not something that they can do. Kinda bummed but still.
-The prophecy. I hate how the prophecy just sort of speaks to him when he grabs it and Dumbledore was not the one to tell im about it. I didn't like that at all. I like the hall of prophecies but didn't like how they changed how the prophecy balls function. They also didn't even remotely mention that Trelawney was the one who gave the prophecy.
-Didn't like how they did not tell about Ron and Hermione being prefects. That is such a good thing for Ron's character and instead he ends up being more comical relief throughout the film. IT's bad enough they took out quidditch (which i am okay with cause I'm not that big of a quidditch fan) but they basically took everything away that contributes to his character.
-The occlumency lesson with Snape (the one where Harry penetrates into Snapes mind and we see Harry's Dad,Young Sirius, etc. and them picking on Snape) I was really disappointed that they only showed a few short snippets of it instead of playing it out like a full scene and what I had expected.
- The Veil. This was my biggest problem with the movie itself. In the book it is described as a "tattered black veil". Well in my imagination I pictured the veil to be tall and wide but in the movie it's tall and thin. That's okay though but it's the actual veil that bothered me the most. It was this clear ambient kind of curtain. I didn't like that at all. At all. it just, I don't' know it just bothered me the most. And while the death of Sirius was a PERFECT scene the way they did it, it's just ugh I did not like that veil. And when Sirius fell through, he kinds just vanished instead of actually falling through a veil. Whatever. I can live with it. Also I didn't not like how Bellatrix killed him with the Avada Kadavra. In the book, it doesn't say what spell she uses. Oh well. I guess it was more of a thing for movie fans to understand that he was killed.


Overall, I LOVED it. And I'm really excited that David Yates is returning to do the next one. Oh and the music in this is really good as well.

Just thought of something else I didnt like. The letter saying Harry was expelled. THey did a much better job with this effect in CoS... the one in this movie looked like it was created by a child.

Nice cut down on corny lines in OotP

That's good to know. The corny dialogue really annoyed me in the previous movies. "Is that what my hair looks like from the back?" "I love magic!" *cringe*

Even with the mixed opinions about the movie itself, everyone seems to agree that Luna was perfect. That's great, because I love Luna in the books.

It is now 3:39am and I just got home from the theater after standing/sitting for 3 hours just to get in. The movie, I thought, was the best out of the movies so far. Everyone's acting has improved dramatically from the first film and even the new characters (Luna to be exact) are wonderful. They did cut some stuff out and change things around but I was expecting this just to make the movie a reasonable length. But yea, all in all it gets 5 stars from me =)

no I just have to wait for the book..............=(

thank you for the timing, Militarized :tu:

Things I did not like: When we first see Hermione, I could not stand the acting. She was breathless and over reacting and very antsy, and this was before Harry started ranting.

I did not like how Sirius died. It did not have enough impact. I thought Harry's reaction was great, but it was too short. I also DID NOT like how he called him James right before he died. If they were going to use that sub plot they should have put it in earlier in the movie where it belonged.

I did not think the duel at the end was very powerful. Dumbledore was great in character though. I just wished there was something more to it.

My biggest disappointment was the lack of reaction to Sirius' death. We should have seen Harry grieve more and not quip some line about having something to fight for. Great end movie line but it tries to end things on a positive note when there are too many dark things that have yet to be addressed. I wanted to see Harry rant at Dumbledore and Dumbledore did not say anything revealing or special to Harry, IMO. And I don't think the audience who does not read the books could understand why Dumbledore thought ignoring Harry would make Voldemort less likely to invade Harry's mind. I wanted to see Harry get angry.

However, I really liked how Harry yelled at Dunmbledore after seeing the vision of Arthur and the snake. It wasn't written in the book that way, but it worked really well, and fit perfectly wit how Harry was feeling at the time.


I agree with your analysis of these scenes, SeverusLovesUs! :tu:

I must admit I came out of the movie feeling a little flat. I am going to see it again as I find during my first viewing I tend to compare the movie to the books and how I envisioned the scenes would play out on screen. Then I despair over the bits I loved that they cut out (Snape and Sirius fighting at Grimmauld Place :grumble: CUT!!!). I am seeing it again in the next few days and hopefully will appreciate it more then.

I do think it was a better put together movie than the others.

Things I loved:
Mr Weasley on the escalator
The DA scenes
Dumbledore's exit from his office - COOL!
Lupin - just for being Lupin :love:
Grawp - which really surprised me because I hated that plot line in the book and at first cursed the script writers for keeping it in instead of giving the screen time to something else
Umbridge - SOOOOOO EVIL!
The twins
Dan - surprisingly not as bad as I thought he might be
Rupert - even though he again said little more than Blimey and Bloody Hell
Bella - though she was really underused

Jury's still out on:
Little Whinging scenes
MoM - I wish it had been a touch longer and less chaotic looking
Dumbledore V Lord Voldemort - I just don't know :no:

Really didn't like:
The rushed feeling at the beginning - like they were trying to get the Muggle stuff out of the way ASAP
Sirius calling Harry James - I found it a little disturbing:err:
Snape's worst memory - too quick and Snape's reaction not angry enough (for God's sake, Harry had just seen one of his worst memories - GET ****** OFF!)
Hermione
Not enough Lupin :love::love:

Worst of all - I am such a sook and cry at almost every movie I see (happy, sad...it doesn't matter). I bawled at the end of GoF (and not because it was so bad) and had to put OOTP book down several times after Sirius died to calm myself. I was so disappointed that this feeling of loss and anguish was not captured in the movie.

Maybe if I see it again...and again.....and again.......:p

I loved Snape's line "I'm going to be sick" or something like that when Sirius and Harry hugged :lol: it fit so well

I just remembered that part of the DD fight I loved was him continually pushing him backwards and away from the action. DD was protecting him continually so you knew there and then that he was not going to simply go all out for the sake of taking down Tom Riddle. He is Harry's true protector in this and I loved that.
About the cuts to this one. We all know for a fact there was a lot more footage that was filmed than what was shown in the final cut, so perhaps that would explain the certain 'uneveness' of some of the scenes and the characters themselves. Yates said that he filmed them in mind of releasing a director's cut on dvd with the film restored to full, so hopefully OOTP will do well enough to warrant such a release where the other HP films have not. But then again, GOF also had tons of footage that was filmed for later use but never put back on the dvd, so who knows ?
My mum, who I saw this with, made the interesting comment that the film was so 'black' to her when compared to the first two, which she loves. I asked her what she meant and she said, " It was like the set designer just took a big can of black paint and used it to colour EVERYTHING !! Even their school and castle looked black as night !" And come to think of it, there was a very limited amount of bright colours used in this one when compared to the rest of series, POA included. I thought it was appropriate though because it was a bleak movie overall and needed the bleaker colours to empathise this, much like POA toned down the colours a lot after PS and COS to empathise the shift in the series to darker territory.
Now about the fight scenes in the DOM - I for one was thrilled that we were finally able to see real full fledged wizards go at it tooth and nail and not like kiddies learning at school. It was fast paced, quick and the spell casting was efficient and on target. This is the first HP film to truly make the dueling visually appealing and action packed, so I hope this bodes well for the future when the big war scenes that are bound to happen in DH are filmed.
And on a more sincere note, I nearly cried when I saw that scene where Fred and George were comforting that first year Gryff after he went through one of Umbridges detentions. He just looked so small and lost and the way Fred and George were looking all protective and wanting to help their fellow house mate was a little scene that showed the audience that, underneath their jokey exterior, they do have big hearts.
One thing really irked me though - the inclusion of Percy in the movie. He had no lines and his 'role' in this could easily have been given to a Nigel type, as the whole Weasley family falling out was cut and, as I mentioned, he had no lines at all and his promotion story was cut as well. Why on earth include him in this one at all ? After all, he was all ready cut from GOF so why bring him back now ?

There is SOOOOO much to talk about, but unfortunately I'm on limited time and I'll have to come back when I'm obviously on unlimited time, so I'll just say this for now: I felt that it wasn't completed in a way--not really sure how to explain it. I think if they added quidditch it would've been more awesome. I loved Luna, omg, she was perfect. I definitely think Sirius calling Harry, James, was disturbing--and really sad. I mean, dude, that was the last thing he ever said to Harry. The R/Hr bits were played out perfectly. Well, reluctantly, I guess I'll have to end it there. Still got a lot to say, so I'm coming back to re-post tomorrow. :)

Hmm... I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm really worried by everyone else's comments - like the fact that Lily is not there in the Snape's Worst Memory scene. And the first part. And Sirius's death. I don't know.... Based on the reviews of critics and fans that I've read, I'm not keeping my expectations high.

I HAVE FOUND THAT I FIND MOVIE SNAPE VERY LIKABLE. Book snape isn't at all. That is why there's all the discussion about if he is good or not. Based off the movie I can't see him kill DD. He doesn't act like a bad guy...which is his role. I have always struggled and been angered by that.

Whether or nor Snape is a bad guy remains to be seen, so we don't really know if that's Rickman's role. And the good/bad Snape discussion definitely did not stem from the films. Snape in the books is suspicious and ambiguous enough for that.

About Sirius calling Harry "James":

It did make sense for Sirius to say this, I have to admit. But the thing that bothered me about it, was that it was the last thing he said to Harry before he died. And then after he died, it was never adressed. I was waiting for Harry to maybe talk to someone about it or something. It just felt really pointless to me.


Another thing that bothered me about this film was Dumbledore. Not the acting, but rather how he is portrayed. How angry he seemed. Even more so than in GOF.
Also, after Professor Trelawney is "thrown out" of Hogwarts by our beloved Professor Umbridge (Who was fantastic by the way,) Dumbledore practically barks at the students "Shouldn't you all be studying?!", Or something like that. What happened to the calm and collected manner that Dumbledore has even under the tensest of situations? I don't know quite how to explain it, but I feel as if the very essence of Dumbledore's character is completely gone from this movie. :no:

I just remembered that part of the DD fight I loved was him continually pushing him backwards and away from the action. DD was protecting him continually so you knew there and then that he was not going to simply go all out for the sake of taking down Tom Riddle. He is Harry's true protector in this and I loved that.

Now about the fight scenes in the DOM - I for one was thrilled that we were finally able to see real full fledged wizards go at it tooth and nail and not like kiddies learning at school. It was fast paced, quick and the spell casting was efficient and on target. This is the first HP film to truly make the dueling visually appealing and action packed, so I hope this bodes well for the future when the big war scenes that are bound to happen in DH are filmed.

And on a more sincere note, I nearly cried when I saw that scene where Fred and George were comforting that first year Gryff after he went through one of Umbridges detentions. He just looked so small and lost and the way Fred and George were looking all protective and wanting to help their fellow house mate was a little scene that showed the audience that, underneath their jokey exterior, they do have big hearts.
One thing really irked me though - the inclusion of Percy in the movie. He had no lines and his 'role' in this could easily have been given to a Nigel type, as the whole Weasley family falling out was cut and, as I mentioned, he had no lines at all and his promotion story was cut as well. Why on earth include him in this one at all ? After all, he was all ready cut from GOF so why bring him back now ?

I did like that part in the DD v's LV scenes. Am I imagining this or during this scene where DD has LV in the ball of water and he sees Harry creeping forward, did he push Harry back and lose concentration? Or was I just embellishing that scene in my own imagination? I am in two minds about the possession scenes with LV and Harry. I knew it would be hard to bring that to life on screen and I don't hate it, but I don't know if I liked it either. Oh I'm rambling......

I did like the fight scenes, but I would have liked to see more of the individual fights and (this is going to sound a little twisted) people getting injured. I know Sirius died, but we didn't really see the seriousness of the fight going on around him and get a glimpse of the reality of this war.

I did get teary in that scene with Fred, George and the little boy - which just makes me all the more cranky that I DIDN'T feel that way about Sirius' death in this movie .:upset:

I agree about Percy too. Was he only in that one scene? Why bother - anyone could have done that? If you hadn't seen the last couple of movies you wouldn't know who he was and even though I knew who he was, his betrayal of his family and Harry had little emotional impact on me as it hadn't even been mentioned previously. So, as I mentioned before - WHY BOTHER?

Last question: Were there a few quotes from the preview clips that weren't in the movie? I was sitting next to a girl who obviously should have been in bed as she coughed and sneezed through the entire movie (I will be soooo sick in a few days :grumble:) so I didn't hear everything. Did Sirius say "It's your turn now" at the train station and did DD say "Don't fight him Harry You can't win" to Harry?

Did Sirius say "It's your turn now" at the train station and did DD say "Don't fight him Harry You can't win" to Harry?
I didnt hear either. I was waiting for the second one and it never came.

About Sirius calling Harry "James":

It did make sense for Sirius to say this, I have to admit. But the thing that bothered me about it, was that it was the last thing he said to Harry before he died. And then after he died, it was never adressed. I was waiting for Harry to maybe talk to someone about it or something. It just felt really pointless to me.


I don't think it made sense at all as he was just talking to Harry about how well he had done but "go now and let the adults handle this" being a protective godfather and then suddenly his mind slips back 16 years and he calls Harry "James". As you said, it wasn't even followed up on. If it had been with a quick comment or conversation, the inclusion of it would have made a little more sense. The comment taken from the book and included in the movie about Sirius thinking Harry was James was in the movie, but it was right at the beginning when Harry arrived at headquarters - it was too late to follow up on that with the James 'slip' at the end of the movie.

I agree with your last comment - it just felt pointless :shrug:

Hi Hysteria - no I didn't think I would miss it as I was waiting for it too :( Damn!

I saw the movie today.. I thought it was all right but definitely not as good as the book (as if the movies ever could be..).

Another thing that bothered me about this film was Dumbledore. Not the acting, but rather how he is portrayed. How angry he seemed. Even more so than in GOF.

I agree, I really don't like how Dumbledore was portrayed at all.

I just came back from seeing the movie and the worst part about it was the dialogue for me. I didnt like how it was so BLATANT. There was none of the underlying feelings. For example when Sirius called Harry James. I could never ever see Sirius doing something like that. It wasnt right to leave Harry with that last memory of Sirius.
Then when he died, I didnt think that was well done. I can't find the word that I'm looking for so I cant really elaborate.
Dumbledore drove me mad. I agree with NonSensicle. Dumbledore is nothing like the book. They have changed him completely. I just want him to be good.
I also didnt like what Harry said to Voldemort when he was possessed. It was kind of corny. I know its the essence of what Dumbledore said in the book, but DD put it more delicatly.
I wish they had put more effort into Snapes Worst Memory. It was too rushed and you hardly saw anything (Sirius I mean :D ). No, but really it couldve been better.
Lack of Two Way Mirror got on m nerves. Very disappointing.
In the bit where Cho betrayed the DA, I didnt understand how they could make excuses for her (i.e she was given Veritaserum). I dont think Harry and Cho's relationship is going to be easy to explain away in the next film.
Emma Watson's acting frustrated me, she was really breathy.
I liked Bellatrix. Helena Bonham-Carter did a good job. Luna was really good too.
Alan Rickman is sooo funny. Not what I want Snape to act like but I cant help but love him. When he hits Ron! LOL!
All in all I wasnt that impressed but then again I am not the biggest fan of the movies.

I'm not highlighting anything, because I don't know how, and by now if you are reading this you probably saw the movie.

The script didn't annoy me in this movie as it did previously. The choice of lines was smarter. Too bad Cloves will return, who substituted his trite idea of funny for Jo's truly original humor.

There was a lot of montage, and look for Night_Seeker's post if you want to see a perfect rendition of what the pace and style of the movie felt like. Ironically, though, one of Night_Seeker's lines actually made me do a double-take and reconsider the merits of the style. S/he said that it was hard to say what was reality and what was dream (also that the movie felt like one long trailer; maybe you should write movie reviews Night_Seeker). Then I thought perhaps the director was not so much rushing as actually trying to create that effect of dizziness, the disorder in Harry's mind transposed on screen for everyone to suffer through...

I was disappointed with SWM. It was much too quick. It makes sense that it was so quick, because it was obtained through sort of "Legilimens" rather than the Pensieve, two entirely different experiences.

The wands of DD and LV connecting just like Harry's and LV's also was bad. But I really liked the glass shards flying at Harry and DD turning them to snow flake sand. I also thought the DA threw quite a nice collection of spells at the DEs. I loved Sirius appearing behind Lucius, telling him to leave his godson alone, and punching him. The arch took some getting used to, and gradually became more and more imposing and more frightening that way, so immensely tall. When I finally realized there was some kind of ghost of a veil I was relieved that there was something there at all. At first it seemed like there was nothing, and that would have been a let down.

Two actors that improved for me in this movie: Oldman and Gambon. I had pictured Sirius and Dumbledore differently, but in this movie they both grew better into the roles for me.

Dan improved some but still seems to be acting things from the outside at time, such as when he watches 12 Grimmauld Place appear. But I definitely liked his yelling at Dumbledore "Look at me!" Kudos for that.

Emma overacts. She really needs to tone it down. The hiperventilating, the eyebrow action, the batting eyes, the lips, the overly concerned look, the long significant pauses (which may have been poor direction, because they were not timed just right). I really hope she gets it right by the sixth or seventh movie. I want to watch her in one movie without cringing. I'm beginning to like her better in the first movie, before she learned to act.

Evanna was just wonderful, a true breath of fresh air. I absolutely loved Helena Bonham Carter, also. Umbridge was good. The scene that freaked me out the most was when all the DA members are having their hands cut, and she is sitting satisfied in her high throne, drinking tea.

I probably forgot something, but I'd better not make this too long.

I think this movie will probably grow on me like all the HP movies have, and as I'll watch it several times it will begin to feel smoother. I know GoF felt rushed at the time, too, but after watching it over and over I started seeing it as making perfect sense.

The movie that I like best so far is CoS, but I think I'm in the minority with that opinion.

I loved Crookshanks and the ear. But I completely missed the goat. I'll have to see OotP again. And whoever said something about fans making the movie, I'd be glad to contribute. But the problem is, you need the rights to make the film I think, unless Jo can somehow help... I'd love to see the "fan cut." It may be harder than it looks from the sidelines though.

EDIT: Wait! How's this for an idea. The best shot at it we have is if we try to get the producers to include a "fan cut" on the DVD, and film both according to their ideas and according to ours: and we raise up the funds for filming those extra or alternate scenes...

I just got back from seeing it.

Incredibly disappointing. Worst one of the five. :td:

Yes, it did have a few good moments, and the actors all gave a strong performance... but the directing & editing were terrible. And too many of the things that they changed left you going, "why the heck did they change that???" (unlike in the previous films, where the changes generally made sense from a cinematic point of view).

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I should also say that Harry's line to Voldemort near the end (about love & friends) was incredibly corny and cringe-worthy, and has me wondering why no one bothered to tell the director/screenwriter/producers how stupid it sounded.

I loved Sirius appearing behind Lucius, telling him to leave his godson alone, and punching him.

Dan improved some but still seems to be acting things from the outside at time, such as when he watches 12 Grimmauld Place appear. But I definitely liked his yelling at Dumbledore "Look at me!" Kudos for that.

Emma overacts. She really needs to tone it down. The hiperventilating, the eyebrow action, the batting eyes, the lips, the overly concerned look, the long significant pauses (which may have been poor direction, because they were not timed just right).

Umbridge was good. The scene that freaked me out the most was when all the DA members are having their hands cut, and she is sitting satisfied in her high throne, drinking tea.

I loved Crookshanks and the ear.

I did like that "Look at me" moment. Dan actually pulled that anger off. Emma's performance did really annoy me this time. I suppose there are only so many films where you can use the "she's still learning" excuse, especially when some of the other kids are getting better and better.

Umbridge was really creepy in that scene - very evil . :evil:

I laughed at the Crookshanks scene......that was a great new addition.:lol:

Off to see it in two hours!! :tu:

Honestly, just judging by how short it is i think im going to be disapointed :(

Honestly, just judging by how short it is i think im going to be disapointed :(

Don't be sad Bertzie! :p The time does fly by (they probably could have added 10-15 more minutes without a drama) but it is a good watch if you just forget the book.

I thought the movie was absolutly terrible, there was no flow to it and absolutly no story.

The only good part was the fight scenes in the MoM.

I meant the movie and the book are both titled the order of the phoenix and there were about 5 minutes about the order in the entire book.

Everything seemed to be cut short and never explained. I feel it would be very hard for someone to follow the movie who has not read the books.

Many of the key scenes in the book were missing and kreatcher seemed to just be thrown in there.

All in all i think it is by far the worst movie of the 5 and o yea the shortest movie so far even though its the longest book.

I laughed at the Crookshanks scene......that was a great new addition.:lol: I have cats, and I felt really tuned to the moment. :agree::lol: You don't dangle something on a string in front of a cat without dire consequences...

I missed some things though. I didn't see the goat. I didn't hear Sirius call Harry James. Actually, I was expecting a long duel, especially between Sirius and Bellatrix, after seing all the hype about the choreography, and either they were wiped from my memory, or I saw almost no dueling once the Order arrived: just the punch, the several and finally successful attempts at disarming Lucius, and the AK of Bellatrix. It flew by me in a flash.

Disappointing. I can't tell you how many groans and gasps were heard when the movie missed out on important things from the book.....many people were disappointed.

I love Emma...but, her acting bugs me to no end...especially here. They ruined many things....honestly...I was actually bummed walking out of the theater. Darn.

Cute flirtation between Ron and Hermy...FINALLY. Ginny held her own...yay!

By far the highlights: Luna Lovegood and Dolores Umbridge. Fit to a TEE. Perfection. :)

It went too quickly...too many pieces...too many things left unanswered or addressed....I don't know. For once...I don't think I'll go see it again in theaters. Boo. I'm not usually this disapproving.

The fight scenes were very quick I admit, but to me it added to the attraction that real dueling is like that - fast, furious with little room for error. And there was indeed a goat in the Hog's Head as you see it walk away from the barman just as the trio enter the building. It is quick, but it's there.
A quirky thing I noted as well - the castle itself was much more.....menacing this time round for some reason. I think it was the colours they used as they were more darker and in black tones that before.

I'm amazed at how many differing views I'm seeing about this film. So far, ALL I'm seeing is, "IT WAS AMAZING" or "IT WAS HORRIBLE". About half and half.

HEY SPOILERS BELOW. JUST A WARNING. I mean, I'm going to assume people know this thread has spoilers, but still. Common courtesy, I guess.

Honestly, the midnight showing was my second time watching it, and I loved it. Here is why:

The acting has improved greatly. Dan was actually an actor this time. Emma wasn't as annoying as usual - maybe someone pointed out her eyebrows were taking on a life of their own. I still saw a few wiggles, but not as much as GoF, that's for sure.

Helena Bonham Carter and Gary Oldman were possibly the best actors in the movie. Helena MAAAADE Bellatrix, and Gary just made Sirius as freaking awesome as he was in the book, imho. I loved the scene when Harry is first in 12 Grimmauld Place, and Harry says he wants to join...the way Sirius leaned back in his chair and winked, I just loved it. It felt JUST like book Sirius to me.

I'm still on the fence about the "That's my James!" line. It gave me chills both times. On the one hand, I find it almost touching...on the other, I wonder if he said that on purpose since he always says to Harry how much he's like him...then on the other [yes, I have three hands] he could seriously have slipped up and called Harry 'James' on accident and that would be the most HORRIBLE thing for him to do right before he DIES. I don't know. I don't know where they were going with it.

Many, many people have commented on the choppiness. I, personally, felt it was the proper feel to the movie. I left the movie thinking that it was done that way to sort of parallel Harry's choppy dreams and the way he was totally losing it. I thought that was sort of the feel they were going for. Jumpy, all over the place, etc. However, maybe it was just bad editing...who knows.

Did I mention I love Sirius?

Oh, the Weasley twins owned the movie like always.

Umbridge, Tonks, and Kingsley were awesome. I dorked out over Kingsley. I don't know, I've just always loved him. I'm glad they gave him the "Dumbledore's got style!" line.

Now, I'm sort of...confused about how I'm going to feel about the movies when I rewatch. See, I generally go to the movie releases with the thought in mind that they are a completely seperate entity from the books. However, there are SOME special parts of the book that you can't help but wait for, and I was sorely disappointed when Harry's anger was almost completely cut out of the film. No raging in DD's office, no shouting at Ron and Hermione at Grimmauld Place, and oh yeah, hardly any DD's office scene at ALL. That scene was my absolute favorite scene in the book, and possibly even in ANY of the books, yet they cut it. So none of Harry's emotions about losing Sirius, Dumbledore totally doesn't explain about Neville, and we don't see quite well enough how upset DD was over it all, and how much he really cared about Harry.

Oh, and who else was mad that Hermione, Ron, Neville, Luna, and Ginny were ALL RIGHT THERE when the prophecy was heard?

Oh, hey, let's replace Harry/Hermione moments with totally non-canon Ron/Hermione scenes instead. Sure, that makes sense? <:[[[[

Sirius' death was FAR too random and sudden. In the book we have the duelling with Bella and THEN he's hit with a [RED RED RED RED] jet of light and he falls through the VEIL [veil. fabric. not wisps of smoke.] and we have Harry thinking, oh, it's fine, he'll come back from behind the veil! But oh no, Bellatrix zaps from nowhere, AKS HIM, and he's sucked into the wispy smoke of dooooom. Cut to a few seconds of muted screaming on Harry's part, and oh! We're done. Okay.

I couldn't even cry. At least in GoF they had the common courtesy to make Cedric's death horrible and sad and I was able to bawl at it. Sirius's was just MEAN. Really.

All that said, I still did love it. As just a movie, in general, I thought it was fantastic. I actually wrote a fifty-mile-long post about it in my LJ, so you guys are getting the short version, seriously. Yes, some things were cut, some things were very very unnecessarily changed...but I, personally, feel that the pros outweighed the cons. My third watch will probably tell me more. :|

I think some people have very unrealistic hopes for the movies. I'm sorry but if OOTP had been the book on screne that would have torture. I always thought the book was very long and I don't mind them trimming it down.

If this movie was too long it would drive people nuts. OOTP was the onyl book with a revaltion that was very obvious. Most fans figured that one out sice POA. For them to spend the about 3 hrs building up to that lack luster ending would have been a disaster. It was that short for a reason.

And I can't really see how it is the movie folks fault that the movie is called OOTP and hardly has the order. I believe it was that way in the book as well.

Mixed reviews so far... I am looking forward to seeing it, in a guarded sort of way.

But I have one question for the priviledged... do Tonks and Lupin have any scenes together at all? Because theirs is one of my favourite subplots, so I will probably squee even if they just happen to be in one scene at the same time, though at the same time, I know it's likely been cut, as there isn't even all that much in the book. >_<

Really, though, is there anything?

Ok, is anyone confused about Cho? I am confused to if she told Umbridge out of her own accord about tha DA (which she would have no reason to), UNLESS, she was interoggated by the Truth Potion. BUT, we know from the book that Snape gives Umbridge fake Truth Potion, but they never mention this in the movie. So either, she told Umbrigde willingly, or unwillingly through the Truth Potion. :S:S Confusing ... and they never really ended Cho and Harry very well

They did have that scene! And yes that was one of theee highlights of how good his acting got.. good :D

No...they didn't... o_0

OK, here are my thoughts, while the film's fresh in my mind. My overall impression is of great fidelity to the book, perhaps at the expense of momentum and thematic thrust, coupled with solid characterisation. It is most definitely too long, but never becomes tiresome, merely a little muddled.

First off, extremely rushed beginning. Considering the length and detail of the Hearing scene, the dementor attack wasn't given enough time to make itself felt. Not to mention the fact that we come off the title and are immediately plonked into an argument we didn't see begin. Ten seconds extra showing Dudley and his gang approaching and an extra line would have made a great deal of difference.

Still, we move along. I did enjoy the escape from the Dursley's, and the introduction of the Order of the Phoenix. Showing them all huddled together in the kitchen, as well as the snippets of conversation on the Extendables, perfectly demonstrates who these people are. I particuarly enjoyed Harry's reaction at seeing Sirius again.

At this point, I should say how pleased I was by the way they built up Sirius' importance to Harry throughout the film. For a character, who had very limited amounts of screen time with Harry before this film, to convincingly deck a man in his defence by the end of it is impressive. His death certainly had gravitas, although not quite as much as it should have. I'll talk about that when I get to it.

The threat of Voldemort is introduced well, and is nicely sustained by his apparition at the platform. Now we come to Hogwarts and Umbridge. I'm in two minds about Staunton's performace. On the one hand, I feel she captures perfectly the patronising, sickly sweet aspect of her character, but I also feel that she didn't quite make her loathesome enough. You're given more of an impression of blind fanaticism rather than furtive sadism. Oh, and can I just add- the cover of Defensive Magical Theory? Freaking. Priceless.

Now, about Harry. I feel his initial isolation was portrayed adequately, what with the shots of disparaging Prophet headlines and Seamus' outburst, but a bit more whispering in the corridors about him being a nutter would have been nice. I quite like the little sub-plot of him being isolated, finding strength in Ron and Hermione, then in the D.A., being isolated again by Dumbledore's departure, and then finally defeating Voldemort by connecting with his friends. It's one of the strongest cords that ties the movie together.

Speaking of the D.A., I freely admit my favourite scenes in the movie are ones with Harry teaching them. The way they show the effect the last four years have had on Harry, as well as establishing Neville's backstory, particuarly endear them to me.

I liked the scene of Mr. Weasley getting attacked, and thought the way in which they used it to introduce the occlumency lessons and show how damaged Harry was was excellent. Speaking of the occlumency lessons, I must say they felt rather detatched from the main plot, a fact not helped by the way the Christmas scenes were put slap band between them.

The final confrontation in the DoM was alright, although I feel a great deal of momentum was lost in the lead up to it by the detour into the Forbidden Forest. That works in the book because we're in Harry's head, hearing how worried he is about Sirius. However, by the time they actually reach London in the fim, you have to think for a minute to remember what they're doing there. The arrival of the Death Eater's is good (love the way every time we cut back to the D.A. there's another Death Eater behind them), as is the battle between them and the Order.

Sirius' death- well, the aftermath is good (especially that shot of Lupin standing there alone), and I love, love, LOVE, that moment when Harry turns to see what's wrong with Sirius after the curse hits him. I just feel there was to much action surrounding it, and that it would have been better with just a little more fighting between him and Bellatrix.

Overall, the film's greatest flaw is definitely it's insistence of sticking close to the book and of trying to fit everything in. The two most glaring examples of this are the "Snape's Worst Memory" and "Grawp" scenes. What's the point of including Grawp? All it does is provide some nice Ron/Hermione moments, which could have been acheived in other scenes. The entire sub-plot is entirely superfluous. "Snape's Worst Memory", although well done, is ultimately wasted because no dicussion of Harry's feeling towards his father occur outside it. It feels as if the film maker's were simply ticking off a list of things the audience would expect, while ignoring their ramifications.

The really frustrating thing about Snape's memory was that it could have been put before the Christmas scenes (by tweaking the book's timeline a little), thereby allowing Harry to talk to Sirius about it in the scene in front of the tapestry. Heck, Sirius even expounds in that scene about how everyone is both good and bad. Wouldn't have that been a perfect oppourtunity to use James as an example, linking the occlumency scene's to the rest of the plot?

Despite that, I was pretty pleased by the film. If our new screen writer can be more critical in what he includes, I'll definitely look forwards eagerly to HBP.

* On a shipping note, the anvils were certainly falling thickly for Ron/Hermione, weren't they? Strangely, a couple of slightly smaller anvils seem to have dropped for Harry/Luna. :)



But I have one question for the priviledged... do Tonks and Lupin have any scenes together at all? Because theirs is one of my favourite subplots, so I will probably squee even if they just happen to be in one scene at the same time, though at the same time, I know it's likely been cut, as there isn't even all that much in the book. >_<

Really, though, is there anything?

Nope. Neither have many lines, and I'm not even sure if they appear in any scenes together.

Aww, well. I was only holding out a little hope (is it totally wrong to care more about them than the main ships? Probably). Thanks for letting me know. My imagination will keep me company instead.

Though I am glad to hear that Lupin gets a moment after Sirius' death.

My god..you people pick and point out every detail. You act like you didn't know that the movie is different then the book. Be happy there are 5 Harry Potter movies out. At least it brings the book to life.

Oh, hey, let's replace Harry/Hermione moments with totally non-canon Ron/Hermione scenes instead. Sure, that makes sense? <:[[[[


How were they non-canon? I don't even remember there being any Harry/Hermione moments in the book.

Sirius' death was FAR too random and sudden. In the book we have the duelling with Bella and THEN he's hit with a [RED RED RED RED] jet of light and he falls through the VEIL [veil. fabric. not wisps of smoke.] and we have Harry thinking, oh, it's fine, he'll come back from behind the veil! But oh no, Bellatrix zaps from nowhere, AKS HIM, and he's sucked into the wispy smoke of dooooom. Cut to a few seconds of muted screaming on Harry's part, and oh! We're done. Okay.

I couldn't even cry. At least in GoF they had the common courtesy to make Cedric's death horrible and sad and I was able to bawl at it. Sirius's was just MEAN. Really.

Funny. That's what people said about his death in the book too.

Question to the mods: is there a good reason to use spoiler tags? This is, after all, a thread labelled "SPOILERS: So, who has seen OotP?"

Regardless, just in case:
No, Only Harry hears the prophecy. Harry picks up the prophecy and it plays out in his head as he's looking at it. It does not play out when it smashes.

It's good to read about the Ron/Hermione stuff because everyone says it improved the movie and wish their characters were in there more but it's sad to read the it was rushed because that was a huge problem I had with GOF. You can knock the bluebird and the clock in POA but at least it gave you time to breathe and absorb a scene you'd just seen. Stuff like that may seem unimportant but they add quality to a movie. I haven't seen it yet but by all accounts it sounds as if I won't like it more than POA which was the best but I'm sure I'll like it more than GOF because I don't think it's possible for a Harry Potter movie being made nowadays to be worse than GOF unless that's what you were aiming for.

Cheers :tu:

* On a shipping note, the anvils were certainly falling thickly for Ron/Hermione, weren't they? Strangely, a couple of slightly smaller anvils seem to have dropped for Harry/Luna. :)


Aww, so they missed out on all the Luna/Ron? Sad. Those parts in the book are brilliant (partly because Luna vs. Hermione is hilarious... they are both SO CRAZY and I love it *_*) That reminds me, did we get any hint of Hermione and Luna irritating the bejeezus out of each other? At all? Even the tiniest smidgen?

Yeah, I know, but I cannot wait until tomorrow. I can't. It's killing me!

That reminds me, did we get any hint of Hermione and Luna irritating the bejeezus out of each other? At all? Even the tiniest smidgen?

Yeah, I know, but I cannot wait until tomorrow. I can't. It's killing me!

There's one amusing slip of the tongue.

Mixed reviews so far... I am looking forward to seeing it, in a guarded sort of way.

But I have one question for the priviledged... do Tonks and Lupin have any scenes together at all? Because theirs is one of my favourite subplots, so I will probably squee even if they just happen to be in one scene at the same time, though at the same time, I know it's likely been cut, as there isn't even all that much in the book. >_<

Really, though, is there anything?

Well, yes and no. Of the three-four scenes betweenthem, they do appear to share one. When they are at 11 Grimmauld place the cutting of the scene suggests they make some eye contact. However, it's more unease over what Sirius is telling Harry.

I agree, Tonks and Lupin have one of the best subplots - so sweet - but it was, in my opinion, another glossing over. Mostly it was the foreshadowing of Ginny and Harry and Ron and Hermoine.

There's one amusing slip of the tongue.

Does it start with "L"? x) Ah well, at least there's that, I suppose...

Okay, I'm too busy reading all of your posts....hmmm k Here is what I loved :
Anything to do with Umbridge....her character is spot on....the W firwork with fred and George was awesome and everyone in the stadium was clapping....also the line where Umbridge goes "Tell them I mean no harm!" and then harry says "sorry but I must not tell lies!" haha! loved it. The Dementor attack was nothing short of spectacular and was kinda creepy. Mrs. figg is flipping hilarious! And they kept the one line I was praying they would have, when dumbledore leaves Shacklebolt says "I know this is hard for you but, you must admit, he's got style!" :) What is with Harry and cho make out session? Who makes out with their first kiss? oh well...the scene following that was pretty funny. And finally some Ron and Hermione moments....usually they are bickering but in this one you get definite looks. Like with the scene with grawp...haha "you stay away from her!" Voldemort and dumbledores duel at the end.....wow...I ABSLOLUTLEY LOVED the possesion....it wasn't at all like the book but I still ended up loving it because, what it was in a nutshell is EXCACTLY what Harry Potter is about. The Love and Friendship.....it was just simply amazing and it made me cry... and last but not least....a little muggle dueling with Sirius and Lucius Malfoy! :)

Here is what I had trouble with:
This is my number one complaint: NO TEARS! Harry is sobbing over cedrics body but when the time came for his godfather to go, we don't see any tears! I know they filmed a part by the lake, but it obviously didn't make the cut. And it made me mad. You read the book sobbing uncontrollably and in the movie we don't even see Harry throwing a fit in dumbledores office screaming "I don't want to be human!" The one dramatic moment was thrown away.The prophecy thing was thrown away as if harry and dumbledore were discussing it over tea....no anvil sized realization.....I mean throughout the entire movie you see Harry care about Sirius as if his own father is back and then when he dies, it's like no one cared! Except for that slow motion part....that was....wow....heart wrenching....I would've just liked to have seen some tears....after all, I've shed enough of them why shouldn't harry? Also, no one got hurt in the department of mysteries. People who don't read the books aren't going to understand how life threatening and scary these death eaters are. I must admit bellatrix was nothing short of creepy. but I expected people to get hurt after everything....no neville and the cruciatas curse. I was like, " if people are going to take these deatheaters and this war seriously there has to be some evil happening!" I loved the whole "we are there for you harry!" unity that the movie provided but where is the unity when the evil isn't evil enough? There has to be a contrast of the two.

All in all, I loved the movie. I guess in a way, I'm glad it's diffrent than the book. I don't want to come out of the movie theater going, "that was better than the book!" so I'm glad it kept it's individualality.

Don't know if anyone has said this, but I LOVED Dudley at the start of the movie. The acting was perfect ^^.

*hits self in forehead* Can't believe I forgot to comment on the changed effect of people talking through floo powder. Enough to make you believe the film makers are monitoring CoS.

I disagree. It was not the lamest thing, but it was close. The lamest was the whole death eaters flying around as smoke grabbing the other 5 kids but leaving harry.
I actually loved both parts!! I loved the fight with Voldy and DD it was intense. Love how he called him Tom it gave me shivers. It was way better than any lightsaber battle (gasp...I'm a huge star wars fan) but there was that element of surprise that you don't get with light sabers swishing around.

I also loved the part with the DEs grabbing the kids, the way it was filmed made me feel like I was right in the mist of it. I almost wanted to duck right along with them and I wasn't even watching it in 3D! It also emphasized the part how Harry was to be left for Voldy and that they could risk grabbing him because he had the prophecy...it could have broke, it matched the tension in the book between Harry and Lucius.

I Am Seeing It At 5:30 Today!!!!!! Im Soooooo Excited

You can knock the bluebird and the clock in POA but at least it gave you time to breathe and absorb a scene you'd just seen.
I couldn't agree more with this. Its not that I would like to see the two of them come back, but there definately needed to be something to break up the fast scenes and let things soak in.

My husband suffers from a major brain injury that he got in a car accendent when he was a senior. (He is doing remarkable now, if fact doctors are shocked because the lasting effects have been quite minor...anyways) At times he needs time to process information longer than "normal" people. It takes him longer to take it all in and the movie was very hard and mentally draining for him to keep it up with. When we got out he looked very drained and kind of "spaced".

Then of course he had to put up with me blabbing all the way home and as we went to bed about parts I liked, things I caught, and anything else I could think about the movie.

Oh and one of the Mods said we don't need spoiler tags a few pages back :)

Here are some things I wish the movie wouldve done different.



I wish they would have shown Professor McGonnagal and Hagrid being stupified by the MoM.


I wish they wouldve shown how hurt some of the DA got. (ie: hermione being knocked unconscious, Jenny breaking her ankle)




I'm with you mate... I also want these parts... but I loved the movie over-all... I can't wait to see it again...:err::p whew

How were they non-canon? I don't even remember there being any Harry/Hermione moments in the book.
They cut out quite a few H/Hr moments. The moment in particular that I was talking about was the scene with Grawp. Instead of Harry protecting Hermione, they made Ron go into a rage. Not a huge deal but I still was a bit sad.

Funny. That's what people said about his death in the book too.

Yes, but it was even MOREso in the film. That was my point. They lessened its effect even more in the movie. In the book you at least have some reaction to it afterwards...Harry's fit of rage, all of his sadness. Really, I left the movie in shock. At least in the book you were given more emotion, and more of a chance to cry. :\

I haven't seen the movie and i'm not gonna be able to until the 13th but i really can't wait. Reading the both the good and bad coments has just made me so excited.

We went to the midnight showing last night, & all thought it was great. My husband hasn't read any of the books, so I do have to explain some things to him. In fact, some people on here have made suggestions for things to explain that I hadn't even thought of! I did ask him if he noticed the scene with Percy, and he didn't even remember who Percy was from SS/PS.
My sister & I were thrilled watching Ginny's face during Harry's Cho-ogling, & my husband finally caught on to it after the 2nd pulled face from her. I think I actually liked the movie version of Grawp's scene better than the book one. Ron wasn't portrayed (to me) as nearly as lame as he has in the previous ones. I was very happy with him in this one.
I am also one of the ones who don't like Angsty-Harry, but the movie was bearable in that department. You could tell it was more out of frustration, confusion, and new pains he was dealing with. Neville's character was awesome! I was glad once again that he was given Dobby's part.
As was already mentioned, there isn't much "comedy", but the few light moments you get are worth a chuckle (& there was one part that caused the whole theater to laugh). Filch & the IS are quite amusing!
Umbridge & Bellatrix were amazing, and what we got to see of Tonks was wonderful, too. These characters were spot-on, and I don't think it could've been any better except by showing more of the latter 2.
The veil scene was rushed, and I didn't have time to cry over it, but I did sniffle a bit during possession scene.
That's all I have time for now for a review. I have to get to work (I'm going to be late)!
Enjoy!

My movie theater couldn't get the reels on correctly throughout the previews. I whispered, "That's not a good sign," to my cousin.

Sure enough, during the Ministry of Magic scene, when Lucius is telling Harry about the prophecy and asking if he wants to know about his scar, the reel splits so that the top half of the picture is on the bottom of the screen and the bottom half of the picture is on the top of the screen. Then the audio cut out. They shut off the movie and turned the lights back on and there was nearly a riot, but they got it fixed after a few minutes.

Grawp was ADORABLE. And Dean Thomas is so cute.

I loved Evanna Lynch as Luna. Perfect casting. I thought it was the best of the five movies so far. Daniel Radcliffe has really come a long way in his acting abilities. Imelda Staunton is fantastic, and so is Helena Bonham Carter. I read an article where she said that JK Rowling sent her a message saying Bellatrix will be very important in movie 7, because Carter wasn't sure she wanted the part since it was so miniscule. I'm glad we'll get to see more of her.

I also noticed that as the tone of the movie/book is very dark, so was the scene lighting. Rarely was there a scene that was fully bright. Everything seemed to have a bluish-gray quality to it, which made me think a lot of the US book cover.

I was so happy Neville found the Room of Requirements. I absolutely love Neville and so I was glad that his importance was highlighted with that extra detail.

I might have just missed this detail in the book, but I didn't remember that Phineaus Nigellus's name was scratched out on the Black family tree.

I wish that we could have seen more of Sirius throughout this movie and GoF. I know his roles even in the books are limited, but I feel like he is so important and I just wish there was more of him.

firebolt I agree with the loving the possession part. I think they did the whole connection between the two them steller. It gave us more than the book, but still kept us wondering. I was most happy with this part of the movie.

I too would have liked to see the Dumbledore's office scene. The immeadiate after effects of the death were perfect. I don't think he needed to cry right away, he was in shock and out for vengence was the main emotion. However, shortly after the DoM scene the cut to a scene of Harry alone in his room with a sweatshirt...um this should have been the scene with Harry crying. We should have seen some tears here...I think.


Don't know if anyone has said this, but I LOVED Dudley at the start of the movie. The acting was perfect ^^.
:agree:

Well, yes and no. Of the three-four scenes betweenthem, they do appear to share one. When they are at 11 Grimmauld place the cutting of the scene suggests they make some eye contact. However, it's more unease over what Sirius is telling Harry.

I agree, Tonks and Lupin have one of the best subplots - so sweet - but it was, in my opinion, another glossing over. Mostly it was the foreshadowing of Ginny and Harry and Ron and Hermoine.

Eye contact?! YES!! :love:

All the other discussions have made me break my First Rule of Harry Potter Movies and read bits of the book to remind myself of their awesome. Oops. Though I am looking forward to seeing Bellatrix and Umbridge, especially after all the positiviy here :D

I am also one of the ones who don't like Angsty-Harry, but the movie was bearable in that department. You could tell it was more out of frustration, confusion, and new pains he was dealing with.

Thanks for that. I'm going Friday, but that was something I was wondering about. BookHarry drove me nuts here and since Radcliffe's acting has been so inconsistent I was thinking I really hate MovieHarry and might be walking out.

However it sounds like he did a good job so I'm looking forward to it :)

My god..you people pick and point out every detail. You act like you didn't know that the movie is different then the book. Be happy there are 5 Harry Potter movies out. At least it brings the book to life.

well personally i wouldnt count the lack of any explanatin at all about the prophecy being a "lack of a detail"
yes i am happy they have movies to go alone with the books
however, this, was just a bad movie that couldve been sooo so so much better

They cut out quite a few H/Hr moments. The moment in particular that I was talking about was the scene with Grawp. Instead of Harry protecting Hermione, they made Ron go into a rage. Not a huge deal but I still was a bit sad.
:wow: I loved this part! I thought I was going to hate Grawp, but I really liked him in the movie. I love how Ron acted...it was gold. So valient to protect her. I loved the moments the two of them shared in the movie, it seemed like almost every scene with them in it there was something. Especially has Harry was isolating them they were pushed closer...love it.

I would have liked to see more Harry/Ginny especially at the end when Harry is being possessed and looking at his friends, this would have been a good time for a quick eye contact between the two.

I thought Bonnie was absolutely steller. I was a little nervous because we really haven't seen much of her acting since CoS. I have no doubt that she has Ginny down to a tea. Ginny my fav character so I am a hard judge, but she nailed her character. I was really pleased.

I loved Evanna Lynch as Luna. Perfect casting.
:clap: She was absolutely perfect. My husband didn't really get the essence of the Luna character in the book, but once he saw her on screen and th outstanding acting he got it.


I was so happy Neville found the Room of Requirements. I absolutely love Neville and so I was glad that his importance was highlighted with that extra detail.
I really LOVED this part as well. When he found it and we started to see the door form I let out a loud "OOHHH" I was just so excited he was the one to find it. I also loved that we got to see his parents and see him talk of them...so sad :(.

It was good. It could've been much better.

The acting (I think it is the most important aspect):

First the trio:

Dan was very good I thought. Not perfect by any means, but leaps and bounds above previous performances. I think he has a good possibility of breaking out. He seemed to actually feel the emotions instead of acting them, which was great

Emma was okay. She was much better than in GOF, but she was inconsistent. Sometimes she would over-dramatize, but other times she was natural. This may be because she improved as they were filming, so maybe some of her bad scenes were earlier in the shooting. I hope so because that would mean we may see a decent performance from her in HBP, and since Yates says he's focusing on R/Hr, it will be important that she's believable.

Rupert was okay too. He was also inconsistent. He mumbles a lot. Some lines he just nailed, while others lost their impact because of the mumbling. He really had nothing to do so it's hard to judge.

- I love Evanna. Just perfect.

-Imelda was excellent as Umbridge. She was a perfect balancing act of evil and sweetness.

-Gary Oldman also gave a very good performance, but you would expect no less from him

-Michael Gambon... passable. He's better than GOF and had some good moments, but overall I was not impressed. Just from a performance standpoint, he gave no emotion when he tells Harry how he cares about him. Nothing! Surely such an accomplished actor could give just a little bit. He doesn't fit my idea of Dumbledore, but as an actor I feel he was very wooden. Although I will say that he was good during the escape sequence.

-Helena Bohnam Carter was unbelievable. She was very scary! I never get scared at these movies, and she creeped me out.

The script:

I'm not a fan of the script. I think there was a lot of cheesy dialog. Most of the good lines came directly from the book. (side-note: I didn't really like Emma's delivery of the "emotional range of a teaspoon" line, she just kind of said it, there was no Hermione behind it).

"I feel sorry for you". I really hate this line. It's just cheesy and I don't think it fits Harry, and I really don't think that's what JKR means when she says Harry's power is love. Just silly. When he says that Voldy will never know love or friendship that was okay, but this line was too much.

Directing:

Yates was obviously very good with the actors, but he was kind of unimaginative. I think he's a victim of the editor, but he's still no Cuaron.

Editing:

Too rushed! I think this movie could've benefited greatly from just a few seconds here and there for better transitions so the scenes could be better absorbed. It was very choppy.

Music:

Okay. Umbridge's theme and the Ministry of Magic theme are standouts. I actually sometimes found it distracting, especially during the emotional scenes. Like in the scene where Harry first sees Ron and Hermione and some other scenes, it's like they wanted to make it emotional, but the music kind of made it melodramatic. I think softer themes would've been better in this little scenes where they wanted to instill emotions. It reminded me of like Full House, when you knew it was the emotional parts when that sappy music came on.

Standout Scenes:

The Possession:
Excellent. Dan's acting was very good and I felt scared for him. It was a very well-done scene and made me very emotional.

Harry/Sirius scenes:
You could feel a relationship here and I thought they spent just enough time on the development.

Occlumency:
They had a nice intensity to them

The Hall of Prophesy:
This was a beautiful piece of cgi. It was also a very good scene, just the right length with just the right amount of intensity.

The scene with Luna in the forest:
This scene really felt like the books. It had great characterization, touching lines, and it had an emotional presence. One of my favorites.

The Dementor attack:
It was like a horror movie scene. Probably the most imaginative scene from Yates in this movie.

Sirius' death and chasing Bellatrix:
I loved the shaky camera when Harry was chasing Bella. I also thought that Dan's acting when Sirius was falling through the veil was very good. I really felt for him there.

Bad:

- The Lost Prophesy chapter condensed to an unemotional 1 min tops chat. They should've just cut it completely

- Very little trio interactions. It's the most important relationship in the books and it was kind of a side-note, which leads me to

- Ron and Hermione were basically nothing in this movie. They had nothing to do, they had absolutely no characterization, we saw no development.

I know this sounds really bad, but I just feel that this movie could've been great with a more accomplished editor who understood transitions of scenes a little better and who left time for reflection. A lot of scenes seemed like they were trying too hard to be emotional and came off as kind of cheesy. More subtlety would have been nice.

That being said I appreciated a lot: Canon!Ron at last, a more realistic and in character Hermione, Arthur in awe of muggle inventions, the goat in the Hog's Head, the trio running to Hagrid's, actually acknowledging the emotion of the books (even if it's misguided and not as powerful), a good amount of book dialog, the subtle interactions between Ron and Hermione, the correct trio dynamics, the excellent special effects, and the respect for the books.

I need to see it again to really figure out how I feel about it, but right now I rank the movies POA, OOTP, SS, GOF, COS. Cuaron was much better than Yates who was much better than Newell who was better than Columbus.

I never thought I'd say this but I'm glad Kloves is coming back. He had cheesy dialog but not to the extent of Goldenberg, and I don't think Yates will let him change Ron and Hermione's characters too much. His PS/SS and COS scripts (not the COS movie, but the script) were very in character for these two. I think HBP could be very good with a new editor and a new composer, and I have faith that the kids can get better.

Another little thing. The kids looked sooo old! I mean they looked much older than they do in real life, it was weird. Emma looked taller than Dan in this movie. She looked like she could take him out in a fight :lol:

Well, yes and no. Of the three-four scenes betweenthem, they do appear to share one. When they are at 11 Grimmauld place the cutting of the scene suggests they make some eye contact. However, it's more unease over what Sirius is telling Harry.

I agree, Tonks and Lupin have one of the best subplots - so sweet - but it was, in my opinion, another glossing over. Mostly it was the foreshadowing of Ginny and Harry and Ron and Hermoine.


But Tonks and Lupin's subplot doesn't really occur until HBP, right?

Though I am looking forward to seeing Bellatrix and Umbridge, especially after all the positiviy here
Bella and Umbridge are positively wicked. I don't think they could have found two better actresses to play these parts. Major props to the casting of these two. It could not have been better!

However it sounds like he did a good job so I'm looking forward to it
Dan was incredible. He really did an great job with Harry in this movie! I think he is finally there. I can't complain about one thing of his acting that I didn't like in the movie, he was perfect.

Filch & the IS are quite amusing!
I kind of felt Filch was a little annoying. Some of it was good, but I got tired of him. I know he may have been there for some comic relief, but most of his scenes I have chuckled and was like "what?"

But Tonks and Lupin's subplot doesn't really occur until HBP, right?

Well, I think it starts in OotP, but a lot of people disagreed before HBP came out. Basically, it all comes down to some subtle stuff, and the fact they almost always appear together and we rarely see Tonks without Lupin. There's nothing overt, but it would make sense for there to be some visual foreshadowing in the film.

For me, anyway. Like I said originally, I'm not surprised it got sacrificed.

Well, I think it starts in OotP, but a lot of people disagreed before HBP came out. Basically, it all comes down to some subtle stuff, and the fact they almost always appear together and we rarely see Tonks without Lupin. There's nothing overt, but it would make sense for there to be some visual foreshadowing in the film.

For me, anyway. Like I said originally, I'm not surprised it got sacrificed.I would be sad if it did, they showed her arguing with the creep - Mad-Eye! They hardly showed them together!

Weeeeh! Seeing it tonight, very excited.

I feel most of criticizm comes because of scenes they didn't include. I'm a lurker at the adaption threads and the problems are similar there - what to include and whatnot.

I'm very happy about the Cho-being-snitch; a great way to get them to break up and saving the introduction to a whole new charachter. Can't wait!

Love,
Eyrún

Sounds like this reviewer (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/09/ap3895478.html) thinks movie 5 is a retread:

...despite a new director and screenwriter, "Order of the Phoenix" sticks safely and at times monotonously to the Potter formula: Show a bit of Harry's drab summer among his heartless Muggle relations, branch off into a magical interlude, then land him back at Hogwarts School of Wizardry and Witchcraft, where the same old issues resurface - classmate rivalry, teacher trouble, and a slow build toward another showdown with Voldemort.

Granted, this is the formula of J.K. Rowling's books, and with fans counting the days until the arrival of the seventh and final novel July 21, the recipe has served the series well.

A good deal of the charm of the earlier movies results from the baubles the filmmakers have kept in from the books: Odd little interactions with Hogwarts' resident ghosts and living portraits, some sports action on the quidditch field, quirky classroom happenings - stuff that doesn't really have much to do with the main story.

In casting aside most of those trappings, director David Yates and screenwriter Michael Goldenberg deliver the shortest Potter movie yet, though "Order of the Phoenix" is the longest novel at 800-plus pages.

The movie gains in momentum but loses a lot of the fun and wonder of previous installments. Granted, the stories grow gloomier as Harry's ultimate challenge approaches in book seven, but he's faced doom and death before and still managed to have a good time.

Any thoughts? Do you agree/disagree?

I'm going to see it on Friday (the day before the forums close :( )

(side-note: I didn't really like Emma's delivery of the "emotional range of a teaspoon" line, she just kind of said it, there was no Hermione behind it).
Thats mine (and many other people's) favourite quote from the book and Emma delivered it terribly. But overall I liked that scene with the trio.

edit: In PS and even in some of CoS Hermione had attitude! "Im going to bed before..." that is the kind of attitude Hermione has. That is how the teaspoon line should have been delivered.

edit 2: something I just remembered. I dont know how many non book readers would have been confused by Mad-Eye Moody appearing. At the end of GoF the thing with Crouch Jnr wasnt explained well at all, but for anybody who did get it, they would have been really confused by 'Professor Moody' returning all of a sudden...

but really
the whole movie was just not very good
and it didnt have those magical moments that the previous 4 films had
i was realy hoping the ending would redeem the movie
however it just made it worse!
there was no energy anywhere IMO, specially in dumbledore vs voldemort, and i was really annoyed that the department of mysteries consisted of two rooms only, and how noone really got hurt
ughghghghg

bumblybee, can I just say damn right to your entire post? :lol:
It was good. It could've been much better.
...Pretty much sums it up. Except for...

"I feel sorry for you". I really hate this line. It's just cheesy and I don't think it fits Harry, and I really don't think that's what JKR means when she says Harry's power is love. Just silly. When he says that Voldy will never know love or friendship that was okay, but this line was too much.
Meh. I think that's precisely what J.K.R. means. That may be one of my favourite movie lines.

Weeeeh! Seeing it tonight, very excited.

I feel most of criticizm comes because of scenes they didn't include. I'm a lurker at the adaption threads and the problems are similar there - what to include and whatnot.

I'm very happy about the Cho-being-snitch; a great way to get them to break up and saving the introduction to a whole new charachter. Can't wait!

Love,
Eyrún


well the problem was, they dont really address that Cho was the snitch-because i hadnt noticed that AT ALL until someone mentioned it on this thread to be honest with you
or maybe i was just so disgusted with the movie that i couldnt pay attention

I'm not a fan of the script. I think there was a lot of cheesy dialog. Most of the good lines came directly from the book. (side-note: I didn't really like Emma's delivery of the "emotional range of a teaspoon" line, she just kind of said it, there was no Hermione behind it).
Its funny that you say this, because I agree. There was some cheesy dialog. I too was disappointed with the delievery with the teaspoon line, but the laughter between them aftewards made me forget about it until you mentioned it.

"I feel sorry for you". I really hate this line. It's just cheesy and I don't think it fits Harry, and I really don't think that's what JKR means when she says Harry's power is love
Actually I kind of looked at it as getting a touch of what is to come. In HBP Harry finds out about Merope and that she died and when they come back from the memory, Harry mentions something about almost feeling sorry for Tom, that his mom just gave up and didn't fight to survive for her newborn son. DD is happy about this and points out that this is what sets Harry apart from Tom, his Harry's ability to feel that almost "pity" for him. So this part was consistant with the books in my opinion :).

Too rushed! I think this movie could've benefited greatly from just a few seconds here and there for better transitions so the scenes could be better absorbed. It was very choppy.
Couldn't agree more. I think they needed slightly longer scenes to break up the jumping from scene to scene.

Okay did anyone else get the feeling that the movie leaned towards a "good" Snape? He didn't really seem as shady to me as he was in the book. He seemed helpful and almost tough love like towards Harry. (I liked it). But I just found it curious because I didn't get the feel of an evil Snape at all. The lessons just made it look like he was supportive of Harry learning and equipping him with what he needs to know. This part in the book is just a little more shady because we know Harry isn't improving and Ron even points out that maybe Snape isn't really "helping" Harry.

Okay did anyone else get the feeling that the movie leaned towards a "good" Snape? He didn't really seem as shady to me as he was in the book. He seemed helpful and almost tough love like towards Harry. (I liked it). But I just found it curious because I didn't get the feel of an evil Snape at all. The lessons just made it look like he was supportive of Harry learning and equipping him with what he needs to know. This part in the book is just a little more shady because we know Harry isn't improving and Ron even points out that maybe Snape isn't really "helping" Harry.
Yep, I got that too. As I mentioned in a previous post, I felt sorry for Snape the whole way through (and Ive read the books back to front and inside out). Especially after SWM scene when he tells Harry to 'get out'.
Although his line about poisoning Harry leaned him back to the mean Snape side.

One of the funny things I remember when watching this 2 weeks ago was....in the audience full of fans..they cheered for EVERYTHING. I swear...when the movie title came up..when Harry first used the patronus...Umbridge...heck EVERYTIME Dumbledore came on screen...lol..but I guess the good thing is near the end everyone got a little quiet since things started getting so intense lol.


:lol: I totally know what you mean! For me, when the line was moving, we cheered. When it was 10 minutes to go, we cheered! Then when the blue screen came up, signaling that the movie was about to start, there was this girl behind me that started yelling in a fake british accent "When I say Harry, You say Potter! Harry!" and then we'd yell "Potter!" It was so funny because non of us saw it coming but we joined in anyway because everyone there was just as obsessed as her. She kept yelling "When I say Ron, you say Weasley! Ron!" Then we'd yell "Weasley". But the last one she did was the best :"When I say umbridge, you say sucks! Umbridge! Sucks! Umbridge Sucks!" :lol: I loved it. Even throughout the movie we were yelling. Anything that involved triumph over umbridge, paritcularly with fred and george and that "I must not tell lies" line with harry. And dumbledores flight..."he's got style" more cheers. There was this one part when, the "weapon" scene and you see that grawps not attatched to the rope someone said "Oh ****!" really loud and then everyone was laughing. Sirius punching Lucius Malfoy there were woops of approval! I love going to things like that because people just come together. It was so much fun!

Personally, I'm surprised at the language they managed to get into this one. "Tosspot"? :lol: Maybe the film makers felt it would get lost in translation?

People, I might have put some un-intended spoilers, and the ones intended are in the spoiler tags. I have re-read the post but just warning you all.

The good:

I love how they foreshadowed some major things in this movie, Sirius' death was foreshadowed, R/Hr were foreshadowed, and of course H/G were foreshadowed.

Fred and George escape was brilliant! Loved it!

I also loved Grawp!!

Dan's performance was great!!

Emphasis on loved was pretty strong :tu:

I loved the humor in general, I must not tell lies

I liked the Sirius' head in the fire part, better than the last time anyway

Umbridge and Bellatrix convinced me completely that they were evil, I am afraid I might start to hate the actors!

Love the portrayal of Harry and Sirius' relationship

Luna Lovegood was perfect!

I wand Harry/Cho to be pointless in the book, so I was happy they didn't focus much on it in the movie, though in the end Harry looked like the bad guy in relationship

And of course Great effects!!

The bad:

Poor script: a lot of parts were cut, too fast paced, And I wouldn't have mind a bit of Dumbledore

Not much emphasis on Occlumency

SWM was portrayed terribly

No blame on Kreacher

It annoys me that they sort of showed Bella killing Black who then fell into the veil, he was killed by the veil but Bella had not performed the killing curse in the book

The MoM scene was shortened, and could have been a lot better

Not much emphasis on the importance of OWLs

Dumbledore = No emotion

They got the RoR concept slightly wrong

Oh and it seemed as if LV didn't care about the prophecy towards the end

Well basically like I said before, the script could have been better. But it was still worth watching! Not the best of the series but not the worst either

Dan was incredible. He really did an great job with Harry in this movie! I think he is finally there. I can't complain about one thing of his acting that I didn't like in the movie, he was perfect.

I agree 100%. I think he did a brilliant job - I think he's really starting to develop as an actor, and I was so happy to see it :)

I can't wait to see him in December Boys now, I think he'll be brilliant.

Dan's acting was definitely one of the major highpoints of the film for me.

:lol: I totally know what you mean! For me, when the line was moving, we cheered. When it was 10 minutes to go, we cheered! Then when the blue screen came up, signaling that the movie was about to start, there was this girl behind me that started yelling in a fake british accent "When I say Harry, You say Potter! Harry!" and then we'd yell "Potter!" It was so funny because non of us saw it coming but we joined in anyway because everyone there was just as obsessed as her. She kept yelling "When I say Ron, you say Weasley! Ron!" Then we'd yell "Weasley". But the last one she did was the best :"When I say umbridge, you say sucks! Umbridge! Sucks! Umbridge Sucks!" :lol: I loved it. Even throughout the movie we were yelling. Anything that involved triumph over umbridge, paritcularly with fred and george and that "I must not tell lies" line with harry. And dumbledores flight..."he's got style" more cheers. There was this one part when, the "weapon" scene and you see that grawps not attatched to the rope someone said "Oh ****!" really loud and then everyone was laughing. Sirius punching Lucius Malfoy there were woops of approval! I love going to things like that because people just come together. I was so much fun!


:lol:

Yeah...well the audience last night was less enthusiastic. Regardless now I can really tell how I feel about this movie after seeing it the 2nd time.

I like it...it wasn't as good as POA...but it was good. I didn't realize how...dark it was the first time I saw it (I was just so excited I guess lol) Harry's isolation is handled very well and Dan pulled it off incredibly. Even Dudley's acting didn't make me cringe this time lol.

Still not getting this dislike for Dumbledore though, I thought he did an amazing portrayal this time and I didn't notice him continuously trying to keep Harry out of the way during the battle with Voldemort the first time I saw it (The battle is better 2nd time around aswell.) I loved how it got the point that Dumbledore wasn't really trying to destroy Tom, just keep him away from Harry (Since he know's about the prophecy and even the Horcruxes by now)..and you obviously saw him weakening which was stated in HBP by Snape.

All in all though I think some people will love it...others will hate it. There isn't alot of action...it's dialogue heavy. A friend of mine said "It was ok...I liked GOF better..this one seemed more like a start up story" and on the other hand people outside the theater said "IT was amazing" and others feel asleep lol. Grawp is just as adorable as ever ( I can not get over the fact that I like him now..I was one of those "Cut Grawp now" crowd, but they made him really likeable) and of course Bellatrix...wow...can't wait to see more of her.

About the veil...I dunno..I think it gets the point across. I know alot of people were shocked with the spell Bella used but they wouldn't use it if Jo would've said "Nope...can't use that one' I think she purposly didn't say which spell for speculation...and the veil seems to have special powers. From the looks of it Sirius looks like he sorta survived in a sense (But then again I'm not one of those 'Sirius is alive' people, just going by what I got from the movie which is the veil has more power than we know about..I mean getting hit with the AK and not dropping dead...there's something more there.)

Umbridge...amazing and I really enjoyed the scene after the kiss (I loved how Emma said the "teaspoon" line actually..the whole scene just seemed natural) After 2nd viewing I can say that I like the movie, but yes it could've been better.

Overall I was very impressed. I walked out of there (at almost 3 a.m.) wanting to see it again immediately.

Our theater in Houston, Texas had three midnight showings: 12:05, 12:06 and 12:07. All three were sold out (we bought our tickets last week on the internet). We got there at 10 p.m. and there were already 50 people in line in front of us. By 11 p.m. all three lines snaked out into the lobby and beyond. There were a fair number of people dressed up (including one convincing Hagrid with bushy hair and beard and a pink umbrella), and a lot of teenage girls with lightning-bolt scars drawn on to their foreheads. The audience was rowdy but well-behaved and clapped and cheered during certain scenes in the movie.

Here are some random first impressions:

There were LOTS of lines taken straight from the book, which I love.

Dudley (although he looks hilarious in his "Big D" pseudo-gangster getup) is horribly cruel to Harry in the playground, just like in the book. "Is Cedric your boyfriend?" "He's going to kill me, mum!"

12 Grimmauld Place is claustrophobic and creepy. Kreacher was well done, I thought; much better than Dobby. The close, loving relationship between Harry and Sirius is played up, which was nice. It was wonderful to see Lupin; wish his appearances had not been so brief.

I wished Moody could have said his line about losing a buttock from a wand in the back pocket...

George and Fred apparating into Harry's room, and apparating downstairs! Very cool.

Extendable ears!

The Ministry of Magic looks awesome.

Michael Gambon as Dumbledore was OK, I guess, but I think he will never "get" who Dumbledore is. I think his emotions/reactions were wrong half of the time.

Umbridge struck me as too pretty and less toad-like than the book, but her character is nailed, spot on. She is delightfully horrid. Her little giggle and "hem, hem" is PERFECT. "Progress for progress's sake must be discouraged. . ."

Weasly's Wizard Wheezes make a brief appearance, with Fred and George testing things on poor little first years. Very funny. I love the twins who play Fred and George; they are absolutely spot-on in my opinion.

The Grawp scene is in, but fairly short (and rather funny). Ron is cute standing up for Hermione.

No Quidditch at all, no Weasly is our King.

The Dumbledore's Army scenes are perfect. I loved the patronus lesson. We can see Harry really becoming a leader.

Harry and Cho's kiss is sweet (and quite long!) and the scene afterwards with Harry, Ron and Hermione is hilarious, even better than the book. "How was it?" "Wet." "No one person can feel all of those things; they would explode!" "Just because you have the emotional range of a teaspoon..."

It is interesting to watch Ginny's reactions to Harry and Cho, and to see her eyes linger on Harry. Foreshadowing!

The whole Cho-as-betrayer thing was not well-handled, I think. It was much too subtle and never really explained.

Luna appears a bit different from what I had pictured, but again, her character is nailed. The first time we see her, she is reading the Quibbler upside down, wearing radish earrings and carrying a charm to keep away "nargles."

The "I must not tell lies" scene is brief, but well-done. Daniel Radcliffe's shocked, wide-eyed reaction to his hand being cut is perfect. I think his acting is getting better and better.

The whole Ministry of Magic battle was well-done, and certain parts of it, I think, actually improved on the book by taking the core ideas from the book's story and expressing them (I thought) more clearly. The possession scene was particularly well-done and almost made me cry, when Harry realizes that "love" is what distinguishes him from Voldemort. I actually liked the "I feel sorry for you" line. Interestingly, the line "Don't fight him, Harry, you can't win" from the trailer was cut (unless I just completely missed it).

The attack on Mr. Weasly is shown, but there was no St. Mungo's hospital scene, which was the main cut that I wished had not been necessary. The fate of Neville's parents is mentioned and hinted at, but is never made explicitly clear.

The added scene with Harry worrying to Sirius about becoming "a bad person" was good, I think, because it allowed the movie viewers to get inside Harry's head a bit, which we did in the book but which is harder to show in a movie.

The "Snape's Worst Memory" scene is MUCH too short, and must have been cut extensively. You barely get a glimpse of James, and I never saw Sirius, Lupin, Pettigrew or Lily (perhaps if I could have paused and freeze-framed that scene I might have seen them...).

Fred and George's escape from Hogwarts and their fireworks, that whole scene, is absolutely awesome. It had the whole theater cheering.

The aftermath, I think, was much too short. There was no scene with Harry breaking down and smashing things in Dumbledore's office, and we don't see enough of his grief over Sirius.

Overall, I think the main themes of the book are brought out, and overall the movie was excellent. I can't wait to see it again.

Although his line about poisoning Harry leaned him back to the mean Snape side.
I looked as this more as his "dark" humor. I also saw it as a way for Snape to show Umbridge that he was not "in league" per say with Harry.

I liked this one much more that 3 or 4. But I after getting burned twice my expectations were low. I was pleasantly surprised as a result.

Right now this is my biggest question and if I missed it in previous posts I apologize: who the heck is NIGEL? If I missed a reference to him in the books I'd like to know. If not why is he in this movie at all - especially with cutesy lines/looks/close ups at the expense of all the other characters in the movie and/or the books *ahem - Creevey brothers*?

Other quick item - didn't like hearing or seeing the curse that hit Sirius - I thought it would have been much more interesting to see it all from harry's prespective and comprehending what he was seeing - roar in his ears to not hear the curse and with all the spells being fired not being able to see what she cast. I think it would have been much more compelling. But that's me.

More when I have processed more.

As for the good/bad Snape thing - when Snape was telling Harry about how the Dark Lord used to take pleasure in invading the minds of his victims and extracting the last exquisite drop of agony before killing them, that part reminded me of in Half Blood Prince when Snape is describing the dark arts in almost loving terms. It was creepy and struck me as "bad Snape." I think it came out (although not explicitly) that Snape's Occlumency lessons were not really helpful, and Snape mostly used them as an excuse to taunt and belittle Harry and make fun of the memories he sees in Harry's mind. He never instructs Harry HOW to resist or gives him any clue about what to do; he just starts attacking Harry and yelling at him for not being able to resist him.

I particularly liked the use of clips from past movies, for example the 11-year-old Harry looking into the Miror of Erised at his parents, and Snape appearing behind him and saying sardonically, "Feeling sentimental, are we?"

Still not getting this dislike for Dumbledore though, I thought he did an amazing portrayal this time
I did too. My husband leaned over to me durring the sacking of Trelawny and said "Best Dumbledore". I was astonished because he had a hard time with the switch in PoA. I think he was perfect in this movie. I loved the trial part and the end when fighting Voldy. I think his best line was "It was unwise of you to come her tonight, Tom." It gave me the chills, because of the history between the two of them. Great writing for that part!

Iwho the heck is NIGEL?[/B] If I missed a reference to him in the books I'd like to know. If not why is he in this movie at all - especially with cutesy lines/looks/close ups at the expense of all the other characters in the movie and/or the books *ahem - Creevey brothers*?

You got it right. Nigel is a made-up character and appears to have replaced the Creevy brothers in the narrative. I have no idea why.

Grawp is just as adorable as ever ( I can not get over the fact that I like him now..I was one of those "Cut Grawp now" crowd, but they made him really likeable)
:lol: I was too! I was actually disappointed he was going to be in, however after seeing him I feel in love! He was perfect. The way Hermione controlled him made me think about the his role in the future....

Best in the series by far. I can't wait to see it again.

As for the good/bad Snape thing - when Snape was telling Harry about how the Dark Lord used to take pleasure in invading the minds of his victims and extracting the last exquisite drop of agony before killing them, that part reminded me of in Half Blood Prince when Snape is describing the dark arts in almost loving terms. It was creepy and struck me as "bad Snape." I think it came out (although not explicitly) that Snape's Occlumency lessons were not really helpful, and Snape mostly used them as an excuse to taunt and belittle Harry and make fun of the memories he sees in Harry's mind. He never instructs Harry HOW to resist or gives him any clue about what to do; he just starts attacking Harry and yelling at him for not being able to resist him.

I particularly liked the use of clips from past movies, for example the 11-year-old Harry looking into the Miror of Erised at his parents, and Snape appearing behind him and saying sardonically, "Feeling sentimental, are we?"

How many lessons does Harry have?

People, I might have put some un-intended spoilers, and the ones intended are in the spoiler tags. I have re-read the post but just warning you all.

The good:

I love how they foreshadowed some major things in this movie, Sirius' death was foreshadowed, R/Hr were foreshadowed, and of course H/G were foreshadowed.

Fred and George escape was brilliant! Loved it!

I also loved Grawp!!

Dan's performance was great!!

Emphasis on loved was pretty strong :tu:

I loved the humor in general, I must not tell lies

I liked the Sirius' head in the fire part, better than the last time anyway

Umbridge and Bellatrix convinced me completely that they were evil, I am afraid I might start to hate the actors!

Love the portrayal of Harry and Sirius' relationship

Luna Lovegood was perfect!

I wand Harry/Cho to be pointless in the book, so I was happy they didn't focus much on it in the movie, though in the end Harry looked like the bad guy in relationship

And of course Great effects!!

The bad:

Poor script: a lot of parts were cut, too fast paced, And I wouldn't have mind a bit of Dumbledore

Not much emphasis on Occlumency

SWM was portrayed terribly

No blame on Kreacher

It annoys me that they sort of showed Bella killing Black who then fell into the veil, he was killed by the veil but Bella had not performed the killing curse in the book

The MoM scene was shortened, and could have been a lot better

Not much emphasis on the importance of OWLs

Dumbledore = No emotion

They got the RoR concept slightly wrong

Oh and it seemed as if LV didn't care about the prophecy towards the end

Well basically like I said before, the script could have been better. But it was still worth watching! Not the best of the series but not the worst either

Im not surprised that Dumbledore has no emotion. Ever since Micheal Gambon started playing him, Dumbledore isnt what I imagined...

I thought it was brilliant. It was my favorite movie so far.
I was majorly disappointed in three things though, but I wasn't expecting anything big.
Kreature isn't blamed for Sirius' death. We don't really see him alot.
Bellatix used the KILLING CURSE on Sirius before he fell through the veil. I WAS hoping he would come back, but now...I don't know.
Snape's Worst Memory was WAY too short, for me. I didn't see Lupin, or Pettigrew, or Lily. I only saw Sirius for a moment. But all-in-all I liked how that scene went.


I particularly liked the use of clips from past movies, for example the 11-year-old Harry looking into the Miror of Erised at his parents, and Snape appearing behind him and saying sardonically, "Feeling sentimental, are we?"

I loved the " I think I might vomit." That was hilarious.

The fight at the Ministry was too short, in my opinion, but the Death Eater's, Order, and Dumbledore, had some MAD skill. Really. I loved the whole light/dark mist hting that was going on,

Dan's acting was REALLY good. I loved the possession and when he tries to get Dumbledore to talk to him. I was SO sad.

I was crying three minutes before Sirius fell through the veil. Really.

You got it right. Nigel is a made-up character and appears to have replaced the Creevy brothers in the narrative. I have no idea why.

I don't remember seeing Dennis Creevey in the last film(s) - would it have been too much of a stretch to name the character Dennis instead of Nigel?!

How many lessons does Harry have?.

In the movie it looked like they showed at least two Occlumency lessons, and during the second one, Harry comments that they have been at it for hours and he needs a rest.

It went a little fast, for me. They could have done so much more in a matter of even thirty minutes. I know our audience wouldn't have cared. I mean, you don't really have a curfew when going to a movie.

I did too. My husband leaned over to me durring the sacking of Trelawny and said "Best Dumbledore". I was astonished because he had a hard time with the switch in PoA. I think he was perfect in this movie. I loved the trial part and the end when fighting Voldy. I think his best line was "It was unwise of you to come her tonight, Tom." It gave me the chills, because of the history between the two of them. Great writing for that part!

Yeah..I think alot of people just went into the movie expecting to hate him and didn't notice how very much like Dumbledore he was (I mean his escape scene was awesome.) Oh yeah and I loved it when he said his whole name lol...what was Dumbledore's mother thinking lol

lol Grawp...I loved how Ron was jealous of him. I liked how they had him trying to protect her too. They flirted SO MUCH in this movie lol...it's like over the summer they decided not to fight as much. I think the scenes flirting with Ron was Emma's best acting...those are one of the only times she seemed natural. IT's gonna be interesting going from this dynamic to Ron trying to make her jealous with Lavender in the next one.

A funny thing is my friend who was with me asked me afterwards "Where the heck was Ginny?" lol..he didn't recognize her. He was like "Oh, that was her? Did she change her hair or something cause she looks different" lol

I still find it interesting how spot on their casting is. Not knowing that Ginny would be Harry's love interest they seem to have cast the right person who has grown to be a lovely young lady (And you can't tell me she doesn't look almost exactly like the woman playing Harry's mom...interestinggggg) lol

Who thought Kreature was the coolest creature in that movie?
I certainly did.
He was so CUTE yet evil. You know?

The "Snape's Worst Memory" scene is MUCH too short, and must have been cut extensively. You barely get a glimpse of James, and I never saw Sirius, Lupin, Pettigrew or Lily (perhaps if I could have paused and freeze-framed that scene I might have seen them...).
I totally agree! I did not see Lily at all. I saw a glimpse of Sirius and that was it. It needed more of James being a prat and a bully, it was too quick to register. This was one of the scenes that I really wanted to freeze and watch. Especially see young Snape in the air...

I liked the way the movie had "montages" with Daily Prophet headlines, although they went by so fast that I barely had time to read them.

I'm sorry they left out the Quibbler article (which explains, if I recall correctly, why Seamus starts to believe Harry). They probably could have set up the Quibbler article through Luna without having to introduce Rita Skeeter again.

Oh, darn. I forgot to ask:
What did you guys think about Arabella Figg?
I was a little creeped out...

Who thought Kreature was the coolest creature in that movie?
I certainly did.
He was so CUTE yet evil. You know?

lol yeah Kreature was interesting..you can tell he was added just because though...but I liked seeing him polish Sirius's mother's portrait...it's something only people that read the books will notice.

He's a nasty little guy though isn't he lol...its obvious he's going to help Harry out a few times in the last book. I know it probably won't be in the film, but I would love to see Kreacher and Dobby fight....lol

Oh, darn. I forgot to ask:
What did you guys think about Arabella Figg?
I was a little creeped out...

Yeah me too...she was better 2nd time around..but she just seemed..to me...uncomfortable..I dunno. I liked her better during the trial though

Right now this is my biggest question and if I missed it in previous posts I apologize: who the heck is NIGEL?

Hahahahah I've been asking people the same thing, but nobody seems to care as much as I do. Why the hell do they keep making things up :P

But overall the movie was okay, not great, not terrible. I liked the fact that they used a lot of lines straight from the books. I hate the way they twist things to fit them in the movies (like Umbridge using Veritaserum on Cho, instead of her friend telling Umbridge). Also, there are always a few things you really want to see in the movie, like Harry going into Snape his pensieve. I can't believe they just mended that memory of Snape's (from his childhood) with the Snape's Worst Memory scene.

But okay we got to see a younger version of Snape (who looked pretty damn hot if you ask me :D), but what buggs me the most: Sirius his death :no:

It was a big no no, they could've cut out cute little Nigel to show Sirius falling into the archway for a few more seconds. Also, it wasn't really what I expected the archway to look like =/

The worst thing about the HP movies is Michael Gambon his portrayal
of DD. The guy doesn't seem to care for DD his character, it's like he's just doing it the way he wants to. He makes DD look weak and pathetic, aggressive and ugh just awfull.
This ruined the fight between DD and Voldie at the Ministry.

Daniel his acting got better, I definitely think Emma was at her best in this one, and Rupert was just awesome as always. I had my doubts about the new girl, but she did very well as Luna, I loved it.

Ok, I just saw the movie too and...

I'm kinda on the fence here....I mean the acting and the script was great and the emotion was high but it felt...very dis-jointed. It was very rushed and there was no sequence to the scenes. They just happened. No build up, no suspense. Just WHAM WHAM WHAM New scene, new scene, not much structure if you know what I mean. And my mom who doesn't read the books was very confused about the prophecy, I had to explain the whole thing to her, what a disappointment on that.

When I say there is no build up and suspense in the scenes, I want to talk about Sirius death. That whole battle was a major major major major disappointment. It was so hyped up over the months, oh you've never seen anything like it, it's so epic and big, and unique.....but not only did it last barely 5 seconds but there was no choreography, it was just chaos and we have no idea what is going on. When Sirius dies, it's been built up beautifully over the film and I loved how he called Harry 'James' (so cryptic and eerie in a way), but the death was very confusing, very sudden and we get like one little shot of Harry screaming, then we kinda forget about it. Very very meh. We don't even see him fighting with Bellatrix, it's just MADNESS CHAOS CHAOS, then oh look! How sad Sirius dies, oh well, NEXT. It just didn't sit right for me. It was too confusing, the editing was really bad at the end there, like the scene where they ride the thestrals, such a magical scene in the book. In the movie, it's just....another traveling scene. The problem is the montage editing that completely dominates the film. There is no beginning or end to scenes, just the middle. Harry and Cho...like what? One second there kissing, next he's ignoring her...wait, she ratted out the DA? How do we know that, we only seen her being held by Umbridge in one quick shot. Snape's worst memory? Blink and you miss it. Arthur getting attacked....wait wait what? He was attacked?? It was him? Oh we're doing occulmency now, wait, what, why? whoa...hold on....It's too chaotic, there's no build up, no tension. The film wastes time on shots like paper planes flying around classrooms and Harry closing his trunk in his room, then cut to Harry sitting in Dumbledore's office....huh??? What was the point of the scene with Harry closing his trunk, it kills the pacing. Like they forgot to edit out a bit. But yeah the pacing and editing was VERY off and very rushed and not just because I'm a book fan, but in terms of the film....when I left the theater, someone said how it was good but 'missing something'. There's just no structure. It's very random and quick. Like the whole film is one big dream montage.


Now for the good parts of the film. The acting. Wow. Dan is amazing. Emma and Rupert are wonderful, Matthew Lewis (Neville) was fantastic. Luna was good but so under-used, you don't really get any sense of character arc from her if you haven't read the book. Umbridge was evil and right on, perfect for the film. Gawp looks like a giant Dudley. Kreacher was awesome but again under-used. Alan Rickman was incredible! He's finally conjured the character of Snape from the book! You really sense his anger, his angst, and he makes you feel like he's a bad guy, but then makes you feel he's good, so perfect.

Now I have saved the best for last. Gambon has completely redeemed himself! He was an EXCELLENT Dumbledore! Wow! Just wow...unreal. I'm definitely gonna cry in HBP movie, I have faith in him.

So yeah, it was an okay film, but it doesn't really feel like a film, I say it needed to be kept in the editing for a little longer. This is great material, but it's all jumbled together in a confusing mess and I know what the critics mean. It feels like nothing happens. It does a good job at introducing the fact that there is an overall story of all the films, but it dosen't advance it. The only thing that gets accomplished is the ministry accepting Voldemort's return. The prophecy is not explained at all, so it's not even relevant in the film. Just, oh you gotta defeat Voldemort. Oh really? After watching the 4 films, it's pretty obvious he does, you could say the same for the book, but it does into more detail and explains it more, there's more to the prophecy than just 'none can live while the other survives. Speaking of Voldemort, my mom's biggest disappointment was the lack of Voldemort in the film. He's been hyped up so much in the trailers and everything, but then he just appears quickly at the end, fights a little and disappears. Oh and what happened to any diolouge in the Voldy-DD duel? It was awesome but there was no....emotion or drama. That goes for the whole movie. There's no DRAMA! Emotion, yes and it makes a nice theme of love and friendship and it REALLY is darker this time, I found myself longing for the happy days of SS and COS, but it really didn't feel like a movie, it felt like we were watching one giant trailer. OOTP is my fav book and I'm a little disappointed. It's a decent intense enjoyable film, but you know...it wasn't anything too special.

I'd rate it: 3 and a half stars. The acting really impressed me.




There was no balance, no focus and yes the magic was a bit over the top in this film. It dosen't explain it. Oh and Fred and George do seem kind of stupid in the movie. Leaving school because of one teacher, it doesn't explain that they got money to start their own joke shop, they are just cutting school because of one bad teacher. Stupid. The movie was VERY arkward. Yes, the end was the worst. OMG, what end??? There's no dramatic pacing, no time to take things in. Just bang bang bang, END. Did we really need to see the buildings separating when we first visit Grimmauld place? It dosen't make any sense, in the movie and the charm is not explained so what's the point? Tonks and kreacher feel like wastes of time in the film.

As I said it's not really a film....it's more like an extended montage. When the movie ended, I was like ready to see a real film afterwards.

I had great faith in David Yates but he kind of let me down. I'm worried about HBP. He's great at directing actors, but editing and cinematography are his major downfall. The film wasn't INVOLVED with the characters. It was like we were watching them from afar, not with them.

Though I do like how he pushed all of Umbirdge's evil acts (sacking of Trelawnly, all the rules, which was all brilliant) into the beginning before the DA. That was a brilliant idea foe the film.

Oh and what's with Filch's extended camera time? All this time wasted and he could have had a longer scene with Harry and Dumbledore at the end, and have it so we SEE them begin the scene and then go on with the scene. Don't cut into the middle of a scene, it doesn't feel real, it feels dis-jointed and we feel distant from the characters.

Mark Day did a terrible job editing this film, sorry. This is like the worst edited film I ever seen in my life.

I agree 100%. The scenes scenes that were supposed to be slower were rushed and the fast scenes (dreams etc.) were really rushed. I blinked and the snake scene was over.
The whole movie could have been longer, the true fans would have sat there for hours.

In the movie it looked like they showed at least two Occlumency lessons, and during the second one, Harry comments that they have been at it for hours and he needs a rest.

Haha I can imagine Harry saying that :lol:

I particularly liked the use of clips from past movies, for example the 11-year-old Harry looking into the Miror of Erised at his parents, and Snape appearing behind him and saying sardonically, "Feeling sentimental, are we?"
This was really golden! Thank you also for your input and interpretation on how Snape was portrayed. Not to get into loyalities (I think he is good), but at this point in the book and movies he should still be mysterious and his loyalities unknown. I was a little nervous when I got the overwhelming "good" vibe, so I am happy for the insight of yours that others may have taken it a different way. :)

Is it made clear in SWM that James wasn't all perfect, and that is was James doing the bullying? How was Snape's reaction?

Oooh ... 4 and a half hours!!!

Love,
Eyrún

But okay we got to see a younger version of Snape (who looked pretty damn hot if you ask me :D), but what buggs me the most: Sirius his death :no:

He WAS wasn't he! I thought that bit when he was walking down the hall, head down, was SO sad. I just wanted to hug him.

Snape didn't really react, at all. That scene was probably 30 seconds long. I'm not even kidding. But you do see James being an arse.

I don't know what to think about Snape. Rickman plays him very...interestingly. He stole the show in this one though..and apparently he's going to have more screen time in the next one (Which can only help the movie really!)

Who else loved the scene when Umbridge was interoggating him? The audience burst out to laughing at just his expression and of course 'Obviously" LOL..ah I love this man. Oh yeah and his last line of the movie "No idea" PERFECT....how can one man make 2 words so amazing....wow wow wow

IMO the first half made the H/Hr crowd happy, but the second half made the H/G and the R/Hr crowds even happier. The Grawp scene steals that...I thought many of the changes were good, but some were kinda eh...

Change I liked the least: Cho was the blabber. That wasn't realistic, but it did shut down Cho / Harry pretty effectively.

Most clever change: having Ginny using amazing reducto's.

Slightly out of canon that I liked: the frequent use of apparition in the battle at the MoM. Some have commented on CoS threads before that the DE's don't do a good job of battling, and that they use weak spells, in the books. But in the movies they did a great job of battling. I would have liked to see DD in the veil room, though - that was kinda a ehh change to me.

It really was too short. I think they focused WAY too much on little things, like Harry's bond with Cho. Okay, that was NOT a 'kiss'. That was a MAKEOUT session. I could have gone without it, and seen more of SWM, or the scene at the Ministry.

Did the movie say why the OotP showed up at the ministry? I missed it if they did.

I agree that the film's biggest flaw was the rushed ending. I needed a longer scene between Harry and Dumbledore at the end, Harry's expression of grief for Sirius, Harry's anger at Dumbledore, more discussion of the prophesy, perhaps even a bit of CAPLOCK HARRY's yelling and smashing things.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if they put out a DVD "extended cut" similar to the Lord of the Rings special editions? I loved this movie overall, but it would have been much better with better editing (your observations were spot-on, whoever said that) and a few more added scenes.

Did the movie say why the OotP showed up at the ministry? I missed it if they did.

No. When Umbridge catches Harry and company and asks Snape for the Veratiserum, Harry tells Snape that "he's got Padfoot in the place where they're hiding the thing" or whatever it is. That's the only possible explanation that the movie gives for why the Order shows up.

loved how Ron was jealous of him. I liked how they had him trying to protect her too. They flirted SO MUCH in this movie lol...it's like over the summer they decided not to fight as much. I think the scenes flirting with Ron was Emma's best acting...those are one of the only times she seemed natural. IT's gonna be interesting going from this dynamic to Ron trying to make her jealous with Lavender in the next one.
I agree about those parts being Emma's best acting. But about the whole Lavender thing, I am kind of upset that they are even casting her. It is a side plot and it makes me nervous that it will take focus off of Harry/Ginny which is much more important. This is a different thread so I won't go into further detail...
I love HeRon all the same and it was fun to watch the relationship between the two of them!

What did you guys think about Arabella Figg?
I was a little creeped out...
Just a little creeped out, but she redeemed herself at the trial a bit.

I agree that the film's biggest flaw was the rushed ending. I needed a longer scene between Harry and Dumbledore at the end, Harry's expression of grief for Sirius, Harry's anger at Dumbledore, more discussion of the prophesy, perhaps even a bit of CAPLOCK HARRY's yelling and smashing things.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if they put out a DVD "extended cut" similar to the Lord of the Rings special editions? I loved this movie overall, but it would have been much better with better editing (your observations were spot-on, whoever said that) and a few more added scenes.

Yeah..it's been said they've filmed the scene like that though (Dan said he was looking forward to smashing things.) I think he cut out the beginning and went straight to the meat of the meeting. Also they filmed a duel between Bella and Sirius...it's obvious Yates cut out alot for the reason of pacing..and I think he did a good job..but yeah it leaves me hungry to see an extended cut of this one

I enjoyed seeing Tonks, her hair changing color, her funny noses and her clumsiness, but her appearances were unfortunately so brief. I wish we had gotten at least one "Wotcher, Harry!"

No, they didn't explain how Kreature betrayed Sirius.
Which, to say the least, sucked.

I also agree with Legalese. The ending WAS rushed. We got a "I cared too much, Harry" From Dumbledore.
We didn't see the scene where Harry crys his eyes out. I was REALLY looking forward to that.

Thank you also for your input and interpretation on how Snape was portrayed. Not to get into loyalities (I think he is good), but at this point in the book and movies he should still be mysterious and his loyalities unknown. I was a little nervous when I got the overwhelming "good" vibe, so I am happy for the insight of yours that others may have taken it a different way. :)

For the record, I am leaning toward a belief that Snape will turn out to be bad, and I got no "good Snape" vibes at all from the movie. Maybe we all see what we are expecting to see? This movie made me hate the character of Snape even more (although I adore Alan Rickman's performance of him).

I enjoyed seeing Tonks, her hair changing color, her funny noses and her clumsiness, but her appearances were unfortunately so brief. I wish we had gotten at least one "Wotcher, Harry!"

I completely agree.
I don't support Tonks/Remus, but for the sake of canon, it's going to be hard to show that kind of relationship between the two, becuase we didn't really see the together.

You know what i think though? Yates set up alot of things in this film that I'm sure he's going to round off in HBP. For instance the Trelawney thing, I can see it being used well in the next movie. Dumbledore tells Harry that Trelawney was the one who did it, but they were interrupted but doesn't tell him who it was and of course near the end you find out it was SNape. I think it works better since the audience will remember it since it's in the same movie.

ANYWAYS...back on subject lol (Sorry got a little carried away there huh?) How insane where all those decree's Umbridge had..I think they did a good job at showing just how....crazy she is

I have a question about one of Harry's occlumency lessons: why was Harry wearing pajamas? :lol:

I have a qeustion about one of Harry's occlumency lessons: why was Harry wearing pajamas? :lol:

Because the first Occlumency lessons happens right after Harry see's Arthurs attack...Dumbledore tell Snape that it can't wait and they must start immediatly.

I loved when Umbridge put down Fudge's picture when she said she would be preforming the Cruciatus Curse on Harry. I thought that was hilarious.

I still cannot get over Dan's acting in this one!
He was BRILLIANT!

I have a qeustion about one of Harry's occlumency lessons: why was Harry wearing pajamas? :lol:

Because the first Occlumency lesson in the movie is immediately after the attack on Arthur Weasly. Dumbledore tells Snape "this can't wait," and Snape takes Harry by the arm and drags him downstairs for his first lesson.

Edit: Ah, Phrozenone, you beat me!

Just a quick point/question--

WHERE IS PEAVES!!????????!!!!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?! ?!!!!???11???11!!!

sincerly,
Aff

I went to the midnight showing last night. Oh my gosh. David Yates is brilliant. They finally picked a good director and I'm so thankful he's signed on for the next film!

I have a longer review over on my livejournal. If you want to read it here's the link http://high-flyer87.livejournal.com/

Because the first Occlumency lesson in the movie is immediately after the attack on Arthur Weasly. Dumbledore tells Snape "this can't wait," and Snape takes Harry by the arm and drags him downstairs for his first lesson.

Edit: Ah, Phrozenone, you beat me!

aww poor Harry...right after huh? :no:

Most clever change: having Ginny using amazing reducto's.
:clap: One of my favorite parts! I love how she was surprised by her own power. Brilliant.

Did the movie say why the OotP showed up at the ministry? I missed it if they did.
Nope, but they definately should have...big mistake.

No. When Umbridge catches Harry and company and asks Snape for the Veratiserum, Harry tells Snape that "he's got Padfoot in the place where they're hiding the thing" or whatever it is. That's the only possible explanation that the movie gives for why the Order shows up.
But, this would be hard for non-book readers totie together. I think they needed to bring this around and close the gap.

I loved when Umbridge put down Fudge's picture when she said she would be preforming the Cruciatus Curse on Harry. I thought that was hilarious.

Me, too. I wish she would have told them that she was the one who sent the dementors to Little Whinging.

Knowing that she had sent them gives Umbridge's first line at the hearing a bit more "zing," doesn't it? "Silly, me, (giggle) I thought for the teensiest second that you were accusing the Ministry of ordering this attack?"

Just a quick point/question--

WHERE IS PEAVES!!????????!!!!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?! ?!!!!???11???11!!!

sincerly,
Aff


Peeves hasn't been in any of the movies. They seem to think they don't need him.

Peeves hasn't been in any of the movies. They seem to think they don't need him.


Actually he was just being a diva really...going around..trashing the sets and what not..then he demanded more money and more screentime....needless to say he was fired and his career basicall over. Poor Peeves :(

This movie was excellent! They did not change too much from the book which was refreshing after the Goblet of Fire. Obviously, there were some discrepencies, but all in all, the few that there were worked well. At first I wasn't sure how I felt about the change between Cho and Marietta, but, looking back on it I understand why it was done this way and I think it's good. I guess that we can probably guess that Cho will not play much of a role in the future...

New characters in the movie... First of all, Luna Lovegood. She was awesome! Great job! She's definitely moving up to be a favorite character of mine. I liked her in the books, but now I like her even more. Umbridge. At first glance she didn't appear as I had imagined, but by the end I believe that she did a good job. Arabella Figg definitely did not come across as I had imagined her. I believe that they could have done a bit more to make her character in the movie a little more hyper as she is depicted in the books. I was suprised that Mundungus did not appear. Oh, and Kreacher - I would have liked to have seen him a little more - perhaps talking to the portrait of Mrs. Black. Bellatrix Lestrange - she did a great job as well. Really well done!

The cinematography was interesting. I found some of the scenes a bit shaky and some made me dizzy. Other scenes were shot amazingly well. There was some great use of computer animation that I enjoyed - especially with the Thestrals. I really liked how the cut between scenes that were happening in different parts of the world were done through the Daily Prophet. I would like to watch the movie again and see some of that in slow motion so that I can read some of the headlines and such... I would also like to see some of the scenes from the Ministry of Magic in slow motion - there was a lot going on there.

Hogsmeade - the Hogs Head bar seemed a lot shabbier than I imagined. The scenes in the Ministry were good, although quite fast paced. It wasn't quite as I imagined either, but I still think that it was well done. There was a lot of eye candy there, although it wasn't quite the same as it was described in the book. I was also a little disappointed that we didn't get to see St. Mungo's.

Peeves hasn't been in any of the movies. They seem to think they don't need him.

I think they should have put him in this one so he can help with the Twin's escape! :lol:

I wish Fred and George would have told SOMEONE, if not Peeves, to "give her hell for us!" That would have capped off an absolutely smashing scene. I loved when Flitwick did his little victory sign in support of the Weasely twins' exit!

I actually cried when Sirius died. I loved how he was sucked up the veil. Like vertidicly, he did not just fall in.

Hogsmeade - the Hogs Head bar seemed a lot shabbier than I imagined.

It was very small, wasn't it? Although I did enjoy getting the glimpse of Aberforth and his goat.

I actually cried when Sirius died. I loved how he was sucked up the veil. Like vertidicly, he did not just fall in.

Oh I already know I'm going to cry when I see that part. Sirius was my favorite character :upset:

It was very small, wasn't it? Although I did enjoy getting the glimpse of Aberforth and his goat.


:lol::lol::lol:

WHen I first saw that I rolled over laughing..and the great thing about it is only a handful of people actually got it lol. I had to explain to my friend about Aberforths..ugh....love for goats I can say lol. And him and Gambon looks like they could be brothers

Brilliant movie! Best so far really enjoyed this one.

How was Grubby-Plank? Was she in the movie?

ALso, did Hagrid teach the lesson about Thestrals?

Spoilers

The editing was horrible, scenes led into other scenes with no lead in's, things just happened and this is by far the most "magical" of the movies and quite frankly at this point it's a bit corny.

I wasn't bored with it but the ending just didn't seem right, I thought for sure it be better in terms of editing thus making it feel right, it didn't.

I liked the movie but for the first time I don't feel like it improved from the last one, Lupin has 1 scene of diologe, two scenes total. Snape comes and goes, Mcgonagal is somewhere around, no utilization of the adult characters, worse this time then ever.

The sloppy editing prolly is from when they trimmed the timing because of Grindhouse failure.

David Yates didn't do that good of a job IMO, I'm pretty worried now about 6, with the bad editing and all that camera work, it just didn't fit for me.

I would have to say i got more teary eyed when Harry was struggling with Voldemort and the DA that went with him walks up. THe look on everyones faces especially Hermione. The Sirius and Harry relationship was done well. Anyone else notice Sirius calling Harry James in the DoM.

aww poor Harry...right after huh?
I actually felt it flowed nicely. Kept the pace. However, you did feel a little sorry for him.

Me, too. I wish she would have told them that she was the one who sent the dementors to Little Whinging.
Oh my gosh! I forgot about that part! Yes, that should have been slipped in there.

Actually he was just being a diva really...going around..trashing the sets and what not..then he demanded more money and more screentime....needless to say he was fired and his career basicall over. Poor Peeves
:rotfl: :lol:


I wish Fred and George would have told SOMEONE, if not Peeves, to "give her hell for us!" That would have capped off an absolutely smashing scene. I loved when Flitwick did his little victory sign in support of the Weasely twins' exit!
I know I thought they would say something about that as well. "Give her hell for us guys!" That way it sealed the deal that they were leaving and not just creating a major havoc. That part was wicked though. I was actually scared as the hype was building with the smaller fireworks!

I actually cried when Sirius died. I loved how he was sucked up the veil. Like vertidicly, he did not just fall in.
See I didn't like that at all. I think that is why I didn't cry. Plus I was confuesed at the AK Bella hit him with. I liked the idea that he wasn't hit with the AK in the book and that it was the veil that killed him.

It was very small, wasn't it? Although I did enjoy getting the glimpse of Aberforth and his goat.
:clap: It was that small attention to detail that made all the difference in this movie and the others.

I liked that Harry/Cho was kept to a minimum! I was more concerned with Ginnys looks when she was mentioned. You can totally tell that she is jelous. Ginnys eyes speak well in this movie. Not to mention the strength of her abilities in this movie. I hope she is in a lot of the next movie, i cant wait for the whole Ginny/Harry kiss scene!

I actually felt it flowed nicely. Kept the pace. However, you did feel a little sorry for him.

But thats pretty sad that Dumbledore made Harry go straight into the lesson right after seeing the vision. :no:

Anyone else notice Sirius calling Harry James in the DoM.
Yep! I thought it was brilliant.

I lost it most when Sirius spoke to the orgianal Order picture and said, "Not a day goes by when I don't miss you two." AHHHH!! I am crying again :( :(

I would have to say i got more teary eyed when Harry was struggling with Voldemort and the DA that went with him walks up. THe look on everyones faces especially Hermione.
I wish they would have shown the faces just a little longer. I also wish Ginny and Harry would have shared a look here. It would have been great foreshawdoing to the next one and people might even remember it because it is at the end of the movie. :)

Did Sirius say "good job james" to Harry in the battle? I started laughing quietly, but no one else did, so I might have misheard him.

It was kinda weird with the book having Ginny and her brothers already knowing her power, and then in the movie Ginny discovers it, but it did work. I guess for the non-book reading crowd having Ginny be a powerful witch would come out of left field so they had to change it up. It was effective, though.

But thats pretty sad that Dumbledore made Harry go straight into the lesson right after seeing the vision. :no:

Yeah..but at the same time Dumbledore sometimes does the wrong thing with the right reason in mind. I'm sure in a sense he paniced and was worried if Harry didn't start immediatley something terrible would happen. I loved the 'Look at Me' though...which is probably another reason why Dumbledore was like "Yep..no time to wait on this one " lol

When I see this movie, as I had to do with the other movies, I'm gonna have to explain pretty much everything that going on in the movie to my mom. She doesnt read the books but loves the movies. Now that I'm hearing that they missed some stuff, like cutting out like half of the prophecy and changing the wording, and also not explaining the significance of Neville and his part in the prophecy....oh this will be fun... :grumble:

Yeah..but at the same time Dumbledore sometimes does the wrong thing with the right reason in mind. I'm sure in a sense he paniced and was worried if Harry didn't start immediatley something terrible would happen. I loved the 'Look at Me' though...which is probably another reason why Dumbledore was like "Yep..no time to wait on this one " lol

I remember seeing that part on the A&E special! I cant wait to see it in the movie :)

When I see this movie, as I had to do with the other movies, I'm gonna have to explain pretty much everything that going on in the movie to my mom. She doesnt read the books but loves the movies. Now that I'm hearing that they missed some stuff, like cutting out like half of the prophecy and changing the wording, and also not explaining the significance of Neville and his part in the prophecy....oh this will be fun... :grumble:

Yeah..but at the same time the Neville bits aren't really THAT important as far as we know. It's good to know in the book that "Hey..it could've been someone else" but in the movie...I dunno...I think they got the gist of the prophecy right. And if by chance Neville's inclusion is important..they won't have a problem putting it in the HBP movie I'm sure..Having Dumbledore saying "There's more to the prophecy than you heard at the ministry" or something like that lol. I don't think your mom will be confused about the prophecy though..if she doesn't know anythings missing she won't ask lol

Well, I had the opportunity to see Order of the Phoenix at midnight (12:01 am actual start time). It was amazing! Truly the best movie and for a book that had so much in it, they did a great job of getting all the important pieces out. I want to go see it again!:drool:

Spoiler: Though the prophecy is recited by the orb when Harry picks it up, I'm not convinced that it was heard by everyone. We'll have to wait and see what they do with it in the 6th movie, if Harry tells Ron and Hermione about it or if they make the assumption that they heard it.

I want to see it again! This movie I think brought out the best in all the actors, as they took their craft to the next level. Imelda Staunton was truly evil! There was great dialogue AND they used a lot of the dialogue from the book, which, let's face it, is the best dialogue to use!

Sirius wasn't the gloomy depressed person you get from the book, but a great support for Harry who is so confused about what is going on with him. Grawp was amazing and the whole scene in the forest was really good. The actress who played Luna (typing fast and can't remember anyone's name) was spectacular. She really nailed it..perfect.

The only thing that bothered me was that everyone called Voldemort the Dark Lord, even Dumbledore, and only Death Eaters should be calling him that. That's what makes the Snape thing so interesting....is he a Death Eater or a member of the Order? Where do his loyalties lie? I'm even more excited for the book now, if that's possible! 9 days!!

Grawp was quite interesting. I like how he had an obsession with Hermione and the bike bell lol. I love Harrys line of i must not tell lies when he leaves Umbridge to the Centeurs :rotfl:. She was almost more horrible in the movie then i imagined her in the books.

Oh yeah and I don't think anyone else heard the prophecy. I think it's the "Whoever the owner is can only hear it when it's touched" type thing. And I love the fact that Lucius had the Prophecy..and then dropped it LOL. I know Voldemort was FURIOUS with him in the book..and he didn't even get it..imagine how angry he will be once he found out Lucius had it and dropped it. Oh yes...the dark lord will not be happy with that one.

I was hoping in the scene when Harry is being possessed and he starts fighting he sees all his friends but never Ginny. I was like show Ginny dang it! I wonder what there going to be like in the 6th movie. Some of the Ron/Hermione moments were enjoyable. Ron trying to be Grawp to put her down. I like the way Hermione talks to Grawp hilarious put me down now.

i wish the rest of the prophesey was told to Harry by Dumbledore at the end thats the only real add in i would have liked to see. I believe that he only heard the first half.

I was hoping in the scene when Harry is being possessed and he starts fighting he sees all his friends but never Ginny. I was like show Ginny dang it! I wonder what there going to be like in the 6th movie. Some of the Ron/Hermione moments were enjoyable. Ron trying to be Grawp to put her down. I like the way Hermione talks to Grawp hilarious put me down now.

:lol:

I also liked when she said "He just needs a firm hand that's all" Although I really wish he would've said Hermy...lol I

Grawp was quite interesting. I like how he had an obsession with Hermione and the bike bell lol. I love Harrys line of i must not tell lies when he leaves Umbridge to the Centeurs :rotfl:. She was almost more horrible in the movie then i imagined her in the books.

Haha I heard about that! I cant wait to see it.

Did Sirius give Harry the mirror like he did in the book? And if he did, did Harry break it when he got mad that he couldnt get into contact with Sirius?

Saw it at the midnight showing last night and I LOVED it!! Best of the series so far IMO. It was VERY dark but at the same time there were sooo many laughs (Luna and Ron got most of the audience's laughs.) Speaking of Luna, her character was excellent (with lots of funny and at times emotional lines. I loved the bit with her and Harry at the end.) Snape was also great in this film, particularly during the Occlumency scenes (which, along with Umbridge's detentions) were really intense! The casting for this movie couldn't have been better and neither could the special effects. The battle at the MoM really is a sight to see! I can only imagine seeing it on IMAX (because it's not playing in my area:no:) Sure there are cuts, but this is the first film that I feel they didn't cut out anything really important. I didn't miss Quidditch and scenes I felt dragged on too long in the book were greatly shortened. I saw the movie with three people who had never read the books and they all understood it great (my GF (who never read the books) at one point looked at me and said "Ron really loves and Hermione, doesn't she?" and "Is Ginny jealous?"). At least Goldenberg did a fine job at hinting on future romances. Anyway, highly recommended! I definetly plan on seeing it again.

i wish the rest of the prophesey was told to Harry by Dumbledore at the end thats the only real add in i would have liked to see. I believe that he only heard the first half.

Haha I heard about that! I cant wait to see it.

Did Sirius give Harry the mirror like he did in the book? And if he did, did Harry break it when he got mad that he couldnt get into contact with Sirius?

Nope...no mention of a mirror

It was brilliant how they left the emotional range of a teaspoon commment in from the book. I think that is one of the best hermione lines of the books and movie. ANyone else like Sirius entrance intot he DoM get away from my god son punch! was amazing!

i wish the rest of the prophesey was told to Harry by Dumbledore at the end thats the only real add in i would have liked to see. I believe that he only heard the first half.

Ya I was hoping to see Harry yell at Dumbledore on that part. :no:

Oh I will be seeing it again!!!

They could have had Harry yell althouhg i think they did a good job with Harrys anger. They had just enough and it was not over the top. The scene in Dumbledores office might have been too much had they had angry Harry. ALthough i know that was kind of an important part of the book os it could have been included. I definalty think that the rest of the prophesey should hav ebeen given. Maybe we will hear the rest of it in HBP.

I hope that Yates also stays on for the 7th movie! I think he could do well with the last two books. I think the fifth was well done.

Sirius wasn't the gloomy depressed person you get from the book, but a great support for Harry who is so confused about what is going on with him. Grawp was amazing and the whole scene in the forest was really good. The actress who played Luna (typing fast and can't remember anyone's name) was spectacular. She really nailed it..perfect.

The only thing that bothered me was that everyone called Voldemort the Dark Lord, even Dumbledore, and only Death Eaters should be calling him that. That's what makes the Snape thing so interesting....is he a Death Eater or a member of the Order? Where do his loyalties lie? I'm even more excited for the book now, if that's possible! 9 days!!

:tu::tu:I completely agree with these three points. First, Luna was played perfectly and I can't wait to see her in the sixth film..:cool:excellent work there. Sirius' character was a little more enthusiastic in the movie than he was in the book and I liked that, I think it really strenghthed that love relationship that Harry had with Sirius. Grawp was also very good in the movie. The timing and his general look and attitude looked really good in the film. But I did notice that everyone was calling Voldemort the "Dark Lord" which is what Death Eaters called him. Which when Snape says it kind of makes you wonder:err: But I think they used it in the film purley for the creepy effect and unless you are a book reader no one will catch it.

Oh I will be seeing it again!!!

They could have had Harry yell althouhg i think they did a good job with Harrys anger. They had just enough and it was not over the top. The scene in Dumbledores office might have been too much had they had angry Harry. ALthough i know that was kind of an important part of the book os it could have been included. I definalty think that the rest of the prophesey should hav ebeen given. Maybe we will hear the rest of it in HBP.

I hope that Yates also stays on for the 7th movie! I think he could do well with the last two books. I think the fifth was well done.

I heard that Harry yelled at Dumbledore after he had the vision of Mr. Weasley :lol: Go Harry!

I liked that Harry/Cho was kept to a minimum! I was more concerned with Ginnys looks when she was mentioned. You can totally tell that she is jelous. Ginnys eyes speak well in this movie. Not to mention the strength of her abilities in this movie. I hope she is in a lot of the next movie, i cant wait for the whole Ginny/Harry kiss scene!

are you kidding?
seriously.
that was a full blown make-out scene.
in the books, it's just implied.
they say they kissed... but it wasn't like "we made out for ten minutes in the room of requirement."
that was way too long.
they just kept going at it.
it was supposed to be a little kiss.

so about that bare minimum thing... go see the movie again.

about ginny.
she's not supposed to care that much about harry in this book.
hermione helps her deal with her "harry obsession".
remember?
ginny has a boyfriend. she was sitting next to her in the Hogs Head.
she was just put in the movie.
she had no lines.
except for the spells.
that was two spells, really.
her part didn't "speak" at all.

as for wanting to see harry and ginny make-out. that's your opinion. the 6th book actually says they "snogged" in front of everyone. you most definetly will see some tongue acton. you weren't supposed to see any harry/cho though.

I think Yates went for more "depressed" Harry than "angry" Harry..which makes him more likable. Can you imagine Dan yelling at everyone throughout the whole movie, knowone would like Harry at all lol. I think when he did get angry it worked...but the main thing is that he felt alone and isolated and the only one he could really relate to was Sirius and Luna really since they're both...outcasts in a sense

Whether or nor Snape is a bad guy remains to be seen, so we don't really know if that's Rickman's role. And the good/bad Snape discussion definitely did not stem from the films. Snape in the books is suspicious and ambiguous enough for that.

My point was just that. In the movie he's not suspicious and ambiguous at all. He doesn't represent the character of Snape at all.

are you kidding?
seriously.
that was a full blown make-out scene.
in the books, it's just implied.
they say they kissed... but it wasn't like "we made out for ten minutes in the room of requirement."
that was way too long.
they just kept going at it.
it was supposed to be a little kiss.

so about that bare minimum thing... go see the movie again.

about ginny.
she's not supposed to care that much about harry in this book.
hermione helps her deal with her "harry obsession".
remember?
ginny has a boyfriend. she was sitting next to her in the Hogs Head.
she was just put in the movie.
she had no lines.
except for the spells.
that was two spells, really.
her part didn't "speak" at all.

Ginny said a few lines if I remember correctly. She suggested the Shrieking Shack for DA practices and I remember her saying a few more things..but mostly she was just powerful spell girl (And yes Hermione was helping her get over him, but at the same time she still feels for the guy..I'm sure even in the OOTP book she deep down resented seeing Harry and Cho together)

saw it at midnight im just going to go into a rant if you don't mind
"start rant":cool:
i thought it was really really awesome and no one in my thearter left the entire time and people were cheering and laughing and clapping. I wish it was longer though I wish they had done more with snape's memory with james and lily considering it was like a chapter and a ahalf in the book. Luna was beyond awesome evanna nailed every scene without making it overdone. I did miss quidditch and they should have done the scene with umbridge afterowrds with her reaction to the centers and maybe the confrontation between snpae and sirius and grimmauld place. I thought it was really funny how ginny would say a spell and would nail it and everyone would look at her with shocked faces.
"rant over"

I saw it at midnight, and despite some of the small flaws, I thought it was an awesome movie! Sure, it deviated from the book, but I can appreciate it as an adaption of a book and as a movie by itself. A lot of the changes made sense cinema-wise.
I do agree that Snape's Worst Memory was a bit disappointing. I didn't even see Lily at all (I'm not sure, it went by so fast). But I thought the Occlumency lessons were done well. I was wondering how they would visualize the thoughts.

Now, I know that I might get bashed for this, but I thought that the photograph of Dumbledore holding Harry after he had been possessed was a bit reminiscent of the Pietà of Michelangelo.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6789/pietaav8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I hope that I'm wrong, but it seemed to me like foreshadowing.

Overall, I thought the movie was brilliant! It was dark, yet it had it's funny moments. I can't wait to see it again.:p

Did anyone else think Harry's muted howl while being held by Lupin after Sirius's death felt like The Godfather Part 3?

I'll spoiler bar just in case, I guess??? BUt everything udnerneath is just about OOTP movie, I promise.

Positives:
Umbridge was annoying enough to make me want to slap her.
The prophet telling the story. It was perfect to show Fudge's use of propoganda in the book, so they used it to tell the story.
Luna looked good, but sounded to blonde and not enough dreamy.
Thestrals looked awesome.
Fred and George's fleeing scene. Differnet from the book, but a good different. There are some scenes where they would be better in a movie than in a book. The book version was amazing, and the movie version was amazing.
When Voldemort takes over Harry: Not what I expected but still good. I wish there was some monologue there from Harry, him thinking about Sirius.
Negative:
The viel looked awesome, but it needed an actual viel. And Sirisu doesn't melt into it he falls gracefully into it. Bella does not use the avada Kedavra curse on Sirius (not deffinitively).
Harry doesn't get the chance where he could kill Bella like in the movie.
Cho scene: Since when do you keep your hands at your side when your kissing someone??
I don't remember Sirius ever calling Harry James accidentaly like that.
Some of it was very moralistic, almsot being shoved down your throat, but thats ok at times. There were certain times where it was really corny and others where it was good.

Ginny said a few lines if I remember correctly. She suggested the Shrieking Shack for DA practices and I remember her saying a few more things..but mostly she was just powerful spell girl (And yes Hermione was helping her get over him, but at the same time she still feels for the guy..I'm sure even in the OOTP book she deep down resented seeing Harry and Cho together)

i'm sorry.
i forgot to mention the few five word sentences she had.
my mistake.
you are right about her still liking harry.
but she wasn't supposed to even show that she liked him.
she was more outgoing around him remember?
she stayed behind him again and that was why i said that she wasn't supposed to like him.

I'll spoiler bar just in case, I guess??? BUt everything udnerneath is just about OOTP movie, I promise.

Cho scene: Since when do you keep your hands at your side when your kissing someone??
.

:lol::lol: i haven't seen it yet (watching it tomorrow!!) but i have seen that clip somewhere, and my friend did actually point that out. she was all: 'what are they doing with their hands then???? where are they??' But you are right, when do you keep your hands at your side......:lol:

I realize that this was asked a few pages ago, but I thought I'd put it out there to partly clear up the Nigel question. Nigel is introduced as a character in the GoF movie. When Ron receives his dress robes, it is Nigel who brings them to the table for him and wants Harry's autograph. I'm not sure why they made him such a presence in the movie but it wasn't just a random introduction.

As for my thoughts on the movie, "I confess myself disappointed". I realize that with an 800+ page book you cannot be entirely faithful. However, too many things were altered for the film, which clocks in at the shortest of all!, to make it enjoyable as a fan of the books. I don't want to get going about it because I'm still rather upset, but I think that the entire point of the novel was mishandled! The prophecy! The nature of the prophecy, the backstory, the reaction, and most importantly, Harry's crucial interaction with Dumbledore at the end was completely changed. (Also, Sirius's death was ridiculously bad.)

Ginny said a few lines if I remember correctly. She suggested the Shrieking Shack for DA practices and I remember her saying a few more things..but mostly she was just powerful spell girl (And yes Hermione was helping her get over him, but at the same time she still feels for the guy..I'm sure even in the OOTP book she deep down resented seeing Harry and Cho together)

I thought she would have had more lines since she went to the DoM with Harry and the rest.

Hi all, just got back from watching the movie.

I thought it was excellent! Hands down the best Potter movie we've had.
Superior pacing and flow of the movie wins it for me. Very rarely the jump from one scene to another felt disconnected, which is always my biggest gripe for any previous Potter movie before this one.

This isn't the same Harry as we know in the OotP book though, he was less angry, less isolated, less confused. But I think it worked well in this movie. It still got the essence that Harry becomes like that because he didn't want to hurt his close ones. But in the end, he realised that he needs his friends, they are the ones who make him what he is right now.

Overall, it was a very enjoyable movie, pretty much the most entertaining of all the sequels. I'm glad because OotP is my favorite Potter book. I love the movie for different reasons, but I'm glad it worked for me.

Oh I can't praise Evana Lynch high enough, she is essentially nailed that role. Luna was not an easy role to do because she has to be weird but also likable. She's got both of that very much right

One change-from-the-book that I thought was interesting was Voldemort telling Harry to go ahead and kill Bellatrix, "she deserves it." It was like Voldemort wanted Harry to find the darkness within himself and be able to use the AK curse and "really mean it." Voldemort perhaps still wants Harry to "turn to the dark side."

But Harry can't do it. He misses his chance to kill Bellatrix.

So Harry's choice here ties in with his previous discussion with Sirus about how we all have both light and darkness within us and that it is our choices that make us who we really are (similar to what Dumbledore told Harry at the end of CoS.).

The choice between anger/rage/murder and love/friendship also ties in with Harry's "possession" scene, which was also slightly different from the book but which I thought was excellently done. It really almost made me cry. "You will never know love or friendship; I feel sorry for you." I know that line hit some people wrong but for some reason it worked for me, and (as someone else pointed out) ties nicely into Harry's feelings of pity in Half Blood Prince.

I know JK Rowling had some input into the script and I wonder if she had anything to do with these changes. It is my understanding (again, someone correct me if I am remembering wrong) that JK Rowling approved the change in the script at the end of the Sorcerer's Stone movie where Voldemort tells Harry, "join me, and you can have your parents back again," and Harry says "Never!"

I just like the way the theme of "choice" is highlighted again and again in the story.

(Also, Sirius's death was ridiculously bad.)

I just remembered something. When Sirius was AK'ed, didn't he turn to look at Harry before fell? Well, he didn't really fall, it was more like he flew away (I'm not yet sure if I find that comical or dramatic). Anyway, I'm pretty sure he looked at Harry. That's totally wrong. Oh well.