SPOILERS: So, who has seen OotP?

I just returned from seeing OotP and it was fun. That's because there were quite a few scenes that were unintentionally funny. To keep it short, I wasn't impressed but I didn't have any expectations. The kids have all improved and the adult actors were all good, with the exception of Gambon, as usual.

Quick question: How did Dumbledore react when Harry yelled at Dumbledore after mr. Weasley was attacked?

I'm a little behind on replying so forgive me if this has already been answered. Dumbledore stopped what he was doing. And there was this pregnant pause, where they just stare at eachother for a bit and then Harry says "what's happening to me?" and then snape comes in....off to occlumency straight away!

I meant they had the kissing/make out scene and then there wasent anythign that really went on after. They didnt have any other Cho/Harry scenes besides the one when they are walking togather. That was a long kiss, but oh well. As long as they make the one with Ginny in the next movie better! I think from a movie stand point you had to throw in a few Ginny/Harry hints so when it does happen in HBP it dosent seem completely random.

Guess they were just trying to show what Snape said about the battle in HBP....Dumbledore was severely weakened and shaken by it. Besides he was knocked over by a huge blast...but still held his ground down there :P lol

Yes, but that's in the subsequent novel. In this novel, I picutured it just as Harry describes it: Dumbledore taking on Voldemort as though he were discussing the whole matter over tea. The way it's described in the novel, Dumbledore is not shaken at all until he notices that Harry is possessed. And did anyone else want the statues transfigured?

It was actually Ginny first with the horse, and the Hermione with the seal, and for some reason I thought it was Ron next with the dog, and then Luna with the rabbit.


nope. Hermione's is an otter. and J.K. Rowling said in leakymugs interview in 2006 that Ron's patronous is a jack russel terrier. Which I think was cool to put that in a movie considering it wasn't even in the books.:love: Even though the movie was jumbled up a bit, they had some very acurate things in it. Exact lines straight from the book were frequently used! It was nice to hear familiar words from characters you've known for such a long time!

omg the movie was so amazing!

I just returned from seeing OotP and it was fun. That's because there were quite a few scenes that were unintentionally funny.
Which ones?

I missed the dementor scene (got lost on way to movies - my IMAX had a 6:15 AM show - that wasn't my show!)

I LOVED IT! and I cryed at the end!

The possession was great!
Dumbledore's Army was great!
Dolores Umbridge was great!
Grawp was fine!
Ron was better, Radcliffe was better - he and Radcliffe have come a long long way as actors!
Emma Watson needs to leave the hyperventilation behind. Big sour note!
The power in the MOM scenes was great.
Occulumency was great.
Hagrid was great.
Gary Oldham was great!

I don't know how they got so much in ! It really felt 'canon'.
I thought a great screenplay! Almost ... better than the book... which got turgid in places. I remember having to work to plow through the middle of that one.

I felt like there was 3D stuff in some of the scenic shots too - before you had to put the glasses on.

I was worried that it had to be 3D or nothing - but I don't think so now. I think it would be fine in 2D.

Can't wait to own the DVD and do the analysis and I am going again on Sunday! Yippee!

did anyone else want the statues transfigured?
Yes - but I though the final duel had a lot of power anyway.

haha finally i can write what i thought of this movie! I will do it like we do it on school, its called tip/tops! tops- are thinks that u liked and tips- things that could be better.

Tops

I loved the new actors, they were really great! Tonks was so pretty, you just gotta love her. Bellatrix, i fell in love with her she was so wicked.
The movie was shorter but i really liked it, because when i watch GOF it takes soo long ill probally fall in sleep, but this movie is just right for me.
Luna, she is Luna! I knew it when i saw her in the red carpet interviews, shes brilliant! I love the conncetion between her and Harry and the akward moment with hermione haha it was great.
Kreecher looked fantastic, short role, but he is in it so he will be probally important to book 7.
The kiss, was so cute i felt like a mother who sees her 1st kid kiss haha!
Umbridge, UMBRIDGE! She had the right effect on everyone, i loved it. All my friends hated her as much as i did when i read OOTP. That cough...haha.
I was worried about how they could show how much Sirius means 2 Harry, but they really did, so it was shocking to everyone when he died.
Grawp was so cute, i want him in my backyard!!
The memory of Snape was not what i expected, but they did a great job, they showed what the memory was about.
The weasly twins, were great like useal, i loved the fireworks, that scene gave me chills, it was so much fun!
I loved it that they showed alot of Neville, it was so touching.
Ron's acting, i really love it. People dont give him enough credit!
Voldemort still makes me laugh everytime :) i loved the fight between him and DD though
The best thing were the memories u saw back all the time, it was great. It made me cry with the last scene, when Harry was thinking back bout all is friends.

Tips
Well Emma watsons acting, it irritates me. She acts like shes going to cry any minute. I think she is very off character. And no im not a Emma Watson Hater i think shes a cool girl, but i think her acting got crappy after movie 2.

So yea in this movie Harry was so angry, i didnt felt it. Daniel is very good doing sarcastic scenes, but the really angry scenes i think it could be way better.

I dunno why they changed the storyline about kreecher telling sirius was gone, i think that would be better and it would cost 3 minutes more.

Hm i dont like this Dumbledore but i said that 2000 times. But omg that was rude: Dont u have any homework to do...or w.e

The Battle could be longer and i wished they did the turning room.
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But i liked the movie, i think it was the best one yet, but ill probally say that after movie 6 to :D

nope. Hermione's is an otter. and J.K. Rowling said in leakymugs interview in 2006 that Ron's patronous is a jack russel terrier.

Where did the rabbit come from for Evanna? and the Charging Horse for Ginny? I liked both - especially Ginny's (and I don't ship Ginny) but perhaps trivial for Evanna.

Her voice - I haven't heard any of the clips - just seen them - so it kind of surprised me. A bit squeaky. But they got her well.

Katie Leung was just fantastic!

I thought the bunny matched the skipping.
Even though the movie was jumbled up a bit, they had some very acurate things in it. Exact lines straight from the book were frequently used! It was nice to hear familiar words from characters you've known for such a long time!
Yes - I agree totally! I think Steven Kloves has a tough act to follow here.

I'm Spanish... so... I have already seen the film... TWICE!!!

It has exceeded all my expectations. Ootp is, by far the best Potter movie yet. It's amazing, espectacular, wonderful, thrilling... I would be talking about it for hours (now, because when I saw it for the first time I was speechless) and, taking into account that it is an ADAPTATION, I can say that, in my opinion, it was absolutely PERFECT.

Dan is much more confident and mature, and (FINALLY) I feel like I'm in front of Harry Potter, and no only "someone that makes the role of Harry Potter". He is dark, he is angry, but he loves at the same time. In other words, Daniel is our Harry... I can't wait for HBP... :tu:

Yates has done an amazing job, and I have to congratulate Michael Goldenberg for the script, which is fantastic.

I cannot forget the rest of the cast. Emma and Rupert made (as Dan) the best performance yet. Emma is still Hermione, but... she is breaking rules! And Rupert... I have no words. He is amazing, funny... adorable... He is Ron. Of course, the eminent r/hr romance is so ever-present that it made me giggle... They were so so cute...:love::love:

About Sirius I can only say that I'll miss Gary Oldman. He made me forget that I've read a book in which Sirius don't appear, and his end broke my heart like th first time I read it... He has sleep away with a piece of my soul. Sirius is and always will be my favorite godfather. No one can replace him, as no one can make me feel happy for harry as he did. Gary, very very good job, thank you for give us such incredibles moments with Dan in the movies.

The possession. I stop breathing during this scene, and in the end, I was craying for all the things that It makes me remember. 5 years, adventures, deaths... but overcoat, the friendship between Harry, Ron and Hermione. One friendship like that has no price. In less than 3 minutes I was able to remember all the things that the books makes me feel; I can only say thank you to all the people that makes it possible.

I know that I have left a lot of things behind... But in a few words, this is what I think. Sorry for my poor english and enjoy the film!!!

(ten days for the final book? I am going to die this month with all of these emotions)

I can't believe that I forget Evanna. She is captivating. No one could be so Loony like she is. I love her!!

I just returned from seeing OotP and it was fun. That's because there were quite a few scenes that were unintentionally funny. To keep it short, I wasn't impressed but I didn't have any expectations. The kids have all improved and the adult actors were all good, with the exception of Gambon, as usual.

Oh come on, why's everyone hate Gambon. He wasn't that good in GoF, but he greatly improved in this one. Just look at the scene where Harry is being possessed and Dumbledore is tearing up.

Which ones?

I missed the dementor scene (got lost on way to movies - my IMAX had a 6:15 AM show - that wasn't my show!)

I LOVED IT! and I cryed at the end!

The possession was great!
Dumbledore's Army was great!
Dolores Umbridge was great!
Grawp was fine!
Ron was better, Radcliffe was better - he and Radcliffe have come a long long way as actors!
Emma Watson needs to leave the hyperventilation behind. Big sour note!
The power in the MOM scenes was great.
Occulumency was great.
Hagrid was great.
Gary Oldham was great!

I don't know how they got so much in ! It really felt 'canon'.
I thought a great screenplay! Almost ... better than the book... which got turgid in places. I remember having to work to plow through the middle of that one.

I felt like there was 3D stuff in some of the scenic shots too - before you had to put the glasses on.

I was worried that it had to be 3D or nothing - but I don't think so now. I think it would be fine in 2D.

Can't wait to own the DVD and do the analysis and I am going again on Sunday! Yippee!


Yes - but I though the final duel had a lot of power anyway.


really? because i thought 100% that the duel lacked any energy at all, which is the reason im upset with it

saw the midnight showing last night!

i was overwhelmingly....unimpressed. not dissappointed, like i have been in the past, just unimpressed.

this is most definitely the best movie so far, but still it was just ok. the thing is, i didnt feel any excitement. while the storyline was better than the others, it lacked the oomph that the other movies had. i went in fully expecting to go crazy during dumbledore's flight, stand up and salute fred and george as they leave school, and cry my heart out over sirius's death.

dumbledore's flight was boring, he just disappeared. fred and george didnt say anything, just blew up firecrackers (which were cool) and rode off. and when sirius died, i was just like "oh hey, he died." no emotion, no nothing.

only a couple of the plot points had problems. dumbledore and harry's talk after the fight with voldemort at the ministry was way too short and didnt explain enough. through the whole movie, they specifically called attention to the fact that dumbledore was ignoring harry, then when it came time to explain why, they ignored the issue entirely. either show the ignoring then explain it, or dont show the ignoring at all. this doesnt mean they need to talk to each other, but just dont include the part like at the hearing where harry calls out to dumbledore, or at school when trelawny's being sacked and harry runs after dumbledore. also, what was up with filch sitting outside the room of requirement? sure, it was funny, but it was totally pointless, not in the book, and did not add anything to the plotline. it just wasted time. time that could better have been spent explaining things during the harry-dumbledore talk. the same sort of thing happened in the GOF movie. they spent forever on that stupid dragon scene, which could have been much shorter, and instead focussed on more important scenes.

some of the actors were off their game i felt. daniel radcliffe just seemed odd and clunky. the scene where he was possessed by voldemort in the ministry of magic i started to laugh at how ridiculous he looked gasping on the floor. he didnt get the whole effect across. dolores umbridge did a horrible job. she had the look down perfect, but her acting was decent. in the books i felt like she was sweet on the outside, but a power hungry control freak on the inside. she was like that in the movie, but only through her lines. i didnt get the feeling from her acting. she just seemed confused the whole time. cho looked strange, she didnt look her normal cute self that she did in GOF. i just didnt like fudge's acting. don't know why, i just didn't. arabella figg did one of the worst jobs. in the book, when harry repels the dementors, figg comes running up to him, almost in a panic, raving at him not to put his wand away and to drag dudley along. in the movie, she sort of casually strolls up to him, and says in a slow monotonous voice "dont put your wand away" as if she's talking about the weather.

on the other hand, you had some great performances. tonks was gorgeous. they picked the perfect actress for her. "dont call me nymphadora". hehe. i cant wait to see more of her. michael gambon did great. i loved richard harris for the "love everyone, totally calm, full of wisdom" dumbledore, but gambon takes it to a whole new level with his "kick butt, take control, most powerful wizard in the world" dumbledore. alan rickman is the absolute best actor in the entire series. his portrayal of snape is immaculate. he totally gets that passive-aggressive, loathe all students, dry humor across. luna lovegood was amazing. her eerily dreamy performace bordered just right on creepy, but stayed perfectly lovable. ginny didnt have too many lines, but the way she blew apart the shelves was awesome. bellatrix put in a good performance, but like was said, she didnt strike me as that psycho in the books.

i was kinda dissappointed in the lack of lines for many of the characters. hagrid, ron, ginny, and mcgonagal (and probably many others, just cant think of them off the top of my head) had barely any lines, ron being just reduced to the occasional joke punchline.

the scene at the dept. of mysteries where the kids face the death eaters, then the order joins in, was not exciting at all. the only good part of that was when harry and sirius faced malfoy and one other death eater. the rest of the scene was just ok.

man, why do my posts always go so long. sorry, guys.

I was kind of put off by that whole room of requirement thing. I loved the scenes within it but that whole filch bit, I just didn't make any sense why they were putting so much emphasis on that, when they could've had harry mourning about his dead godfather at the end. I was kind of wrong footed when it just ended without harry doing SOMETHING to awknowledge the death of the CLOSEST THING HE HAD TO A FATHER. That one bit of slow motion in the dom was too short and in 30 seconds you've forgotten that sirius died. It was focused on other things...I guess that is how it is portrayed in the books but, at least later in the books, he dwells on the loss of his godfather. I was hoping for some sad dramatic dwelling...just SOMETHING to signify he CARED. But it never came, and I was dissapointed.

I don't think having the entire prophecy heard was that important. Just as long as Harry Understood the reality and the importance of it. I felt like that scene was thrown away...Harry didn't seemed shocked and Dumbledore didn't look sad. And it was too fast. It was like they were sitting down for tea and crumpets....

I am wondering if the movie directors have any information or if they are guessing at things. For example, it seems Prior Incantatum happened with Dumbledore and Voldemort. I believe this may be so, because Dumbledore very well could have a fawkes feather at the core of his wand.

The part where Harry is possessed by Voldemort was sort of like how I imagine the final battle will happen. Voldemort will think he has won, but Harry has love for others and friends and Voldemort has nothing.



Also, the movie makes you want to pity Snape. But should we?

Grawp was so cute! He reminded me of a big baby.

Luna was spot on.

I didn't care for the way the Veil looked, It reminded me too much of star gate or something.

The Thestrials were good.

Umbridge was spot on.

really? because i thought 100% that the duel lacked any energy at all, which is the reason im upset with it

I loved the duel it looked amazing. The fire vs water part was also great. I enjoyed it more than Yoda vs Sidious in Star Wars(which is the closest comparison I can think of).

Kreecher looked fantastic, short role, but he is in it so he will be probally important to book 7.
Liked Kreacher - but only shown with few other characters - Harry & Sirius.

I was worried about how they could show how much Sirius means 2 Harry, but they really did, so it was shocking to everyone when he died.
Yes, he was very well done. The depressed / deranged aspect of his character was kept out, but they got in his risk taking approach.
The memory of Snape was not what i expected, but they did a great job, they showed what the memory was about.
A little too short - but excellent - and where was Lily ???

The weasly twins, were great like useal, i loved the fireworks, that scene gave me chills, it was so much fun!
Yes - and I loved their apparating and the extendible ears - fantastic.
I loved it that they showed alot of Neville, it was so touching.I agree - great!


It made me cry with the last scene, when Harry was thinking back bout all is friends.
Me too - things look bleak for him based on this film (so it has to be a fake-out!)

Well Emma watsons acting, it irritates me. She acts like shes going to cry any minute. I think she is very off character. And no im not a Emma Watson Hater i think shes a cool girl, but i think her acting got crappy after movie 2.
You said it! I agree!

But i liked the movie, i think it was the best one yet, but ill probally say that after movie 6 to :D

I agree - I think the best one yet! Historically possibly #2 after the Sorcerer's Stone - if the charm there hadn't communicated - we couldn't have got here without it. (see Narnia fizzle).

I am wondering if the movie directors have any information or if they are guessing at things. For example, it seems Prior Incantatum happened with Dumbledore and Voldemort. I believe this may be so, because Dumbledore very well could have a fawkes feather at the core of his wand.

no. fawkes only gave 2 feathers. one in voldemort's wand, one in harry's.

hehe, unless you believe dumbledore is harry from the future.....which JK herself said is untrue.

i didnt even think of priori incantatum until reading your post, but i doubt it, cause you never see one of their wands regurgitate spells.

Which ones?

Here are a few:

Sirius in his furry bath robe. He looked silly in this scene.
The Death Eaters with the Mummy sand-effect. I was laughing really hard when they whooshed all over the place.
The opening scene, which looked like the Midwest of the US.

(ten days for the final book? I am going to die this month with all of these emotions)!Yes! what a summer!

Where did the rabbit come from for Evanna? It's a hare. JK gave Evanna a necklace with pendant of the moon with a Hare on it, Luna Lovegood's patronus. There's a lot of mythology about hares/moons etc...out there.

I have seen the movie!

SPOILERS (or SPOLIERS) ahead

Things I loved:

* Dudley having a close encounter with a Dementor (that boy is never going to be the same I'm sure of it. Yay!)

* Arabella Figg looking completely overwhelmed by the pomp and solemnity of Harry's trial - yet speaking up and telling the truth to the rows of wizards and witches dressed importantly their ceremonial costumes... a little glimpse of what it must be like to be a squib in the magical world...

* Grimmauld Place is fantastic. Love love loved the look of the Black Family Tree. Magnificent scorch marks. Kreacher is perfect. Didn't see enough of him and the portrait of Sirius' mother was kept covered. Must be saving her up for the next movie.

* Sirius looks seriously cool. Oo er.

* Delores Umbridge - beautifully interpreted by Imelda Staunton. She's a toxic Queen Mum. What a heifer.

* Luna Lovegood. She's perfect.

* Grawp. Suprisingly enough. When he picks up Hermione (a la King Kong) the kids in the theatre sitting in the row behind me yelled out "eat her!" and "bite her head off!" Which was very amusing I thought (even though I heart Hermione)

* Snape.

* The goat and barman at the pub - did you notice Aberforth was wearing a kilt?

* The Room of Requirement.

* Bellatrix LeStrange.

* All sudden departures from Hogwarts.

Things I loathed:

Most points in this list begin with the words...Not enough. As in

Not enough...

Tonks
Snape
Kreacher
Grimmauld Place

Thought the scenes at the Ministry were too clunky (particularly the fights)

Overall: Two Thumbs Up and Fine Holiday Fun.

cheers
Nessy

I saw it in the IMAX 3D and it was amazing. Though, when the twins leave, it's just not powerful enough. It's rushed. I really think they could've done better, but overall it was a good movie.

Fave lines:

Harry's: With the centaurs 'Sorry, Professor. I must not tell lies.'
Snape's: Occlumency, watching Harry hug Sirius 'I may vomit.'
loved it! Didn't his hand change? Wasn't it originally - movie originally - I must obey the rules?

With the Sirius calling Harry 'James' scene. I missed it! Darn it!

Here are a few:

The opening scene, which looked like the Midwest of the US.


haha ye, i was like where on EARTH is this man!?

oh btw was i the only who cracked up how Ron was eating the sausage ROFL!

Everyone laughed when Fudge said "he's back!".
There were a lot of good calls in the theater i saw it in.

That scene where Harry yelled at Dumbledore you can just see Harrys frustration with Dumbledore. Could have maybe added more at the end with the second part of the prohesey.

Grawp was interesting not really how i imagined him, like when Hermione tells him to put her down, the look on her face and the way she says it lol. Ron trying to hit Grawp so he would put her down then the bike bell things lol.

I liked most of the Harry/Sirius moments- their talk over christmas.

I like the scene where Harry is struggling with the whole being possessed by Voldemort thing. NOt quite what i thought it would be like but i like how Harrys will power and emotions definalty showed in that scene. Wanted a Ginny scene added in that part.

The Voldemort/Dumbledore battle i enjoyed, they could have added dumbledore using the statues but i think that scene was fine the way it was.

Liked quite a few of Emma Watsons lines, she is a great hermione.

The vail wasent what i had immagined but it did look very foreboding.

Harry fought, using those same images to destroy Voldemort's 'manipulations'---love was his greatest strength, which allowed him to fight, to say 'I feel sorry for you' and end his possession.
To me that is the ending line of the whole series - perhaps too foreshadowed! But I cryed!

no. fawkes only gave 2 feathers. one in voldemort's wand, one in harry's.

hehe, unless you believe dumbledore is harry from the future.....which JK herself said is untrue.

i didnt even think of priori incantatum until reading your post, but i doubt it, cause you never see one of their wands regurgitate spells.


I don't think their wands connected though. If you remember Prior Incantatam had the bead in the center...in this fight the spells met in the middle and went all over the place (Hence the walls exploding everywhere) So instead of connecting they're really just bouncing off each other mid air.

loved it! Didn't his hand change? Wasn't it originally - movie originally - I must obey the rules?

I missed it! Darn it!


in both the book and the movie i remember it being "i must not tell lies".


when sirius and harry were fighting malfoy and another death eater, after harry hits one of them, sirius says something like "nice work, james".

loved it! Didn't his hand change? Wasn't it originally - movie originally - I must obey the rules?Harry's first session with Umbridge had the 'I must not tell lies' carved into the back of his hand.

The session with the DA in detention [all of them excluding Cho who wasn't given detention obviously] had the phrase 'I must not break rules' carved on the backs of their hands.

no. fawkes only gave 2 feathers. one in voldemort's wand, one in harry's.

hehe, unless you believe dumbledore is harry from the future.....which JK herself said is untrue.

i didnt even think of priori incantatum until reading your post, but i doubt it, cause you never see one of their wands regurgitate spells.


i thought immediatly of priori incantatum
for wutever reason, their spells connected and formed that molton stuff shooting out of the middle
im at a loss as to why though...

Sorry, I don't recall exactly; but what did Dumbledore do with the statues at the Ministry in the book that wasn't put in the movie?

oh btw was i the only who cracked up how Ron was eating the sausage ROFL!What was even funnier was Ginny's face as she watched him eating it :lol:

i thought immediatly of priori incantatum
for wutever reason, their spells connected and formed that molton stuff shooting out of the middle
im at a loss as to why though...

i just saw this as them shooting stuff at each other trying to over power the other one.

i the only who cracked up how Ron was eating the sausage ROFL!Ron's always stuffing his face in the book and seeing him go to town with the bangers & mash was funny, I loved it...wonder how many takes that took?

Sorry, I don't recall exactly; but what did Dumbledore do with the statues at the Ministry in the book that wasn't put in the movie?

he brought them to life and they helped shield him against voldemort's attacks.

Sorry, I don't recall exactly; but what did Dumbledore do with the statues at the Ministry in the book that wasn't put in the movie?

Well VOldemort shot Avada Kadavra at Harry and the statue jumps to life and blocks it. IT basically pins Harry behind it throughout the whole scene (until the possession atleast I think) and one of them chases down Bella and holds her throughout the fight as well. That's pretty much it lol

loved it! Didn't his hand change? Wasn't it originally - movie originally - I must obey the rules?

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. In a preview we got ages and ages ago, Harry's hand said, "I will not break rules." I remember this because my friend Jordan and I were very angry about it.

What was even funnier was Ginny's face as she watched him eating it :lol:

:lol:
Yes that was priceless. One thing I will say..I love how the Weasley's seem more like a family now

Now I am beginning to wonder if Grawp could have a horcrux, since movie Grawp likes to collect shiney things. Maybe he found one in the forest?

and i love Ginny too. she's a great actress in a great role. very cute too.

I-- the scene were Ginny, Luna, and Neville seemed to materialize in Umbridge's office. I've read the book at least six times, so I know what happens, and yet I was still confused for a moment.
Yeah! I was like - where did they come from? why? Hope they pad out that on the DVD.

I liked how they showed Dumbledore NOT looking at Harry, Harry feeling excluded, and Harry confiding in Sirius that he feels bad / angry. That actually made things a lot clearer for me.

Now I am beginning to wonder if Grawp could have a horcrux, since movie Grawp likes to collect shiney things. Maybe he found one in the forest?

wow, people will think ANYTHING is a horcrux these days.

he brought them to life and they helped shield him against voldemort's attacks.
Well VOldemort shot Avada Kadavra at Harry and the statue jumps to life and blocks it. IT basically pins Harry behind it throughout the whole scene (until the possession atleast I think) and one of them chases down Bella and holds her throughout the fight as well. That's pretty much it lol

Thanks guys. :tu:

lol why would u have to explain the prophecy to people though? The most important part of it is in the movie. It isn't Neville's movie people, yes it's cool in the book, but putting that in the movie would've made thing even more confusing for people. Voldemort chose Harry..not Neville...so that's who the focus should be on. I mean if it isn't brought up again in DH then I think it's a wise cut (Why introduce the fact that Neville "could've" been picked and there's really no resolution for it?) If it is important they can easily put it in the next film.

I just think sometimes its hard for us book fans to look at the movie as just another interpretation of the book. You think you have to explain stuff to people because you know it's missing, but they don't lol. I've never had to explain anything to my friends unless I brought it up.

I love reading everyone's opinion though, but seriously the important part of the prophecy is "Neither can live while the other survives"...that's the only part that's touched upon in HBP aswell and JK didn't object to it so I know it's alright. I'm also pretty sure we're going to find out it's Trelawney who gave the prophecy in the next movie when it's important


I love you for saying this because this is what i want to get into peoples heads! The movies are NEVER GOING TO BE LIKE THE BOOKS. EVER. All I'm worried about is if the key plot line is delivered ( I don't want them to stray as far as Ella Enchanted did!:no:) and that the backbone of the series is portrayed ( standing up for what you believe in, times are tough, Loyalty, courage, choosing right over easy, the power of love conquering evil). As long as they don't stray away from those two things, I will be a happy camper.:cool: Of course I will be let out by some things with my initial first impressions. But I'll get over it. I'll let it roll off me like water. I'm glad that when I walk out of the theater saying "the book is better" because I always want the books to be better. I never want to walk out of the theatre going "that's just as good as or better than the book" it takes away the novelty of the book... details aren't important in a movie. That's the books job. It has always been the books job for details. It's the movies job to convert people to the books!:cool: or a review of the book. I think ootp did beautifully with that.

I thought the movie was really good. It was a bit confusing for nonreaders. I went with one, and she said it was a cool movie, but it didn't have much of a plot (which, is true.)

I absolutely loved the prophecy room scene. It was nothing short of amazing,I wish it could have been so much longer.

I wasn't sad at all when Sirius died. When Bellatrix killed him he should have flown backward and sucked into the veil, not just.. pulled in or whatever.

I did nearly cry when Harry saw Ron and Hermione, and then remembered all the good times they've had together. That was truely the best part of the film, it was so touching.

And I hardly feel the need to say this, since everyone else has, but the end talk with Dumbledore should have been so much longer. The Mind control wasn't really explained as well as it should have been..

but, i loved the movie.

im just really realy upset at how trimmed down the MoM scenes were
and how none of the DA that was present at the MoM got hurt
i thought it was possible for the ending to redeem the film, but it didnt for me

what i DID like however was:
the visualization, what we did see of the MoM i absolutly loved(including the veil), the threstrals were great, everything pretty much looked good(with the exception of grawp)
and the depressing mood that the 5th book has was translated to the screen pretty well i thought
overall id say i give it 2 out of 5 stars
with all the others getting 4 stars out of 5

Oh yah the flashbacks, I loved those. I cried when Harry flashedback to all the people he saw die, that was so sad, yet Dan did such a good job in that scene. I also cried when he saw his friends and flashedback to all those little moments with them.

I think the best facia expressions you get from Ginny are the looks she gives Harry and Cho.

You know what I just thought about that'll be funny...wouldn't it be funny that if they actually have Grawp at DD's funeral and he see's Hermione just call out 'HERMY!!' I think it'll be cute lol..just a thought...ok....ignore me lol

Oh, and the trio's acting has improved so much. I've always though Dan was the worst out of the three, but he really proved himself in this film. He performed beautifully.

Rupert didn't have much to do, but what he did do was fantastic, he really knows the character he is supposed to play.

Emma is fantastic. She is my favorite of the trio. I love how much care she shows towards Harry. She is a powerful prescence.. yet i feel like she is really holding back, espcecially in the DOM scene. We all know what a great witch Hermione is, and I want emma to show us. I just wanted her to scream out of terror when the DEs arrived, or REALLY show them what shes made of when fighting them.

I loved how the Ron/Hermione love story hints. They actually looked like they were going out. It was really wondeful.

I saw it in the IMAX 3D and it was amazing. Though, when the twins leave, it's just not powerful enough. It's rushed. I really think they could've done better, but overall it was a good movie.

I loved that their W is upside down M for MOM. !

Here are a few:

Sirius in his furry bath robe. He looked silly in this scene.
The Death Eaters with the Mummy sand-effect. I was laughing really hard when they whooshed all over the place.
The opening scene, which looked like the Midwest of the US.

I missed the opening scene, Sirius in the furry robe was a bit ...(do animagi have clothes) kind of PG, the whoshing with the death eaters - I agree - Lame.
It's like they can't spend $$ on special effects but they can do smoke in the UK.
Never saw Mummy.

I have always disliked the HP movies and expressed that opinion but after seeing the OotP, WOW. I knew that eventually they'd finally pull off a great movie and I was so impressed.

I'll just laugh at people bashing this movie. Yeah GoF was god awful but OotP was the best one yet, far better than any yet. For 800 page book, the crew did a terrific job with it. They covered everything that needed to be covered. They didnt slack off like I felt GoF did. I wish this director, Yates...would do the final two movies and its a shame if he isnt. Some of the things I loved and some of the few things I disliked...

LIKE:

* All the new characters were introduced. Bellatrix, Umbridge, Luna, Tonks, Kreacher, Kingsley, Grawp, Ms. Figg.

* Wonderfull acting by the person who played Umbridge. I wanted to smack her across the face. She was almost as annoying as she was in the books!!

* Props to Dan Radcliffe. I dont know if people have been critical of him or not about him in this movie but I felt like he did a really good job. He portrayed the OotP Harry very well.

* Michael Gambdon! Wow. I have never liked Dumbledore more than I did in this movie. It was most certainly just how they used him in GoF & PoA. Problably one of the top 3 best performances in this movie.

* Good job using a lot of the quotes! A ton of quotes from the books showed up in the movies. Harry talking about the kiss made tons of people laugh in the theatre.

* Flashbacks and the scene where Voldemort posseses Harry following the fight. I honestly dont think they could have done that any better. Him using his thoughts of his friends & loved ones to fight off Voldemort was really cool.

* ACTION. Great special effects and the fighting and spells were cool. I liked the DA lessons, everybody being thrown around. I loved the part where Ron tells Hermione he wont go too hard on her and then gets thrown back on his butt. :lol:

* Dumbledore vs Voldemort. What a cool fight. Wasnt exactly how I pictured it in the books but the the enormous fire dragon/snake thing and then the water ball trapping Voldemort was awesome.

* Fred and George with some nice comic relief throughout the movie. The scene when they fly out and the fireworks is so awesome.

* Dementor attack. Mainly the part when the Dementor appears out of nowhere. It made me jump. At that point I knew this movie was gonna be a good one.

* Sirius finally I liked him in this movie unlike the other two so I felt sad when he died.

* Luna was portrayed well. Everybody in the theatre good a few good laughs from her.

* Also some people may whine about the DD/Harry final scene which was incredibly short. But the point got across. Harry has to kill Voldemort. Thats basically all that matters. And besides I was getting tired after sitting for so long.


DIDNT LIKE:

* Some small things, nothing that really hurt my enjoyment of the movie.


So overall the good far outweighs the bad. People may think such a rating is generous but I'll give this a 9/10. The trio's acting is coming along, Dan's in particular.

ps. I thought that the writers were Harry/Luna shippers for a few scenes.

Well I don't think bicycle handlebars are a horcrux, but it seemed like Grawp had other things hidden in around the roots of that tree as well. So maybe he found a horcrux in the forest?

Another thing Ginny looks so much older compared to the last movie. I was sitting there thinking about the whole Harry/Ginny thing and how she seemed to look so much younger then she really is. Then this movie she looks older as does Harry.

I am definalty seeing this movie again very soon!

I loved that their W is upside down M for MOM. !


I missed the opening scene, Sirius in the furry robe was a bit ...(do animagi have clothes) kind of PG, the whoshing with the death eaters - I agree - Lame.
It's like they can't spend $$ on special effects but they can do smoke in the UK.
Never saw Mummy.

sort of a continuity error. in the first one, mcgonagal transforms from cat to witch and has her clothes on. twice.

Oh! Kingwidget's post reminded me: I loved how they showed the Daily Prophet articles! I can't wait till it comes out on DVD and I can pause it and try and read as many articles as I can! I noticed there was an advertisement for wicker furniture or something at one point!


me too! I loved this! Some of the cinematography reminded me of Moulin Rouge, for those of you have seen it. For some reason that scene when harry collapses after the fireworks springs into my head. It was so pretty and I don't know why! Of course there were several scenes that were like that. An other one is where they were on the bridge before they go on the thestrals. The lighting?....I don't know but the visual were just eye candy!

Harry's first session with Umbridge had the 'I must not tell lies' carved into the back of his hand.

The session with the DA in detention [all of them excluding Cho who wasn't given detention obviously] had the phrase 'I must not break rules' carved on the backs of their hands.

Oh - I went to the bathroom after Dumbledore left on Fawkes ... ok

Well I don't think bicycle handlebars are a horcrux, but it seemed like Grawp had other things hidden in around the roots of that tree as well.
I first wondered if that was Sirius' motorbike - but not with a kiddie bell!

Oh - I went to the bathroom after Dumbledore left on Fawkes ... ok


I first wondered if that was Sirius' motorbike - but not with a kiddie bell!

you went to the bathroom during the movie?!!?!?!???!?!?!?!

how foolish.

I would say huge Ron/Hermione hints! The way they talk to each other. Hermione laughing at her whole teaspoon comment. Ron hitting Grawp several other scenes and comments between these two.

I also think its very cute how much Ron is trying to help Harry out it really shows how much he cares. The look on his face when Harry wouldnt talk to him towards the beginning very sad. Lots of parts that are quite emotional in this film.

Ron's always stuffing his face in the book and seeing him go to town with the bangers & mash was funny, I loved it...wonder how many takes that took?
That was just fantastic! I love all the detail they brought in here! Fantastic! (have I said that already?)

Just got back (2pm showing on Wednesday) and really loved it. Imelda Staunton totally nailed it. I thought the Grawp CG was kinda poor compared to how believable the thestrals were (not to mention buckbeak in GoF). I also felt a lump in my throat when Harry thought of Ron and Hermione and I really liked how they turned the DA snitch thing around to Cho...interesting twist. I have such a hard time reading the book because it's so bureaucratic and I've worked in that kind of environment (blind service to the boss kind of thing - in others, of course!) and it frustrates me so badly in print, but the movie really nicely tackled that with a nod and a wink and made it quite entertaining.

oh and Dumbledores departure from Hogwarts with the whole pheonix thing very sweet. And of Course Shacklebolts (sp) you cant deny that he has got style lol brilliant.

I did enjoy the lines in the movie that were used from *** books much better executed in this one then the others.

lindaluna - *sob* I'm ashamed. Nah, jk. But how did you stand it?! I would have been having a mild seizure thinking of all the things I missed!

firebolt - I definately agree with your views on Ella Enchanted. That movie was an absolute horror and discredit to the books. If the HP movies ever deviate that far, I think I'd cry through the whole movie. That would be absolutely devastating. :(

I got back a few hours ago, it's expected that a film adaptation of such a long book has to be condensed and have stuff taken out, so I wasn't so suprised, I'm just worried that they might dig a plot whole that they can't get out in the future films...

The film was well made too, and the cast was fantastic, Micheal Gambon's Dumbledore seems so cold and detatched, which I guess was the point. I wanted to see more of the seen where Harry goes into Snape's adolescence, oh well...

I really wanted to see Harry calling Grimmauld place through Umbridge's fire to see Kreacher too

I did enjoy the movie very much, and i loved the fact that it branched off into more of a teenage lifestyle instead of them acting more like children in the previous movies. I was sad that dobby didn't make an appearance in the film, but having cho chang as the person who informed umbridge made the movie much more exciting.

oh and Dumbledores departure from Hogwarts with the whole pheonix thing very sweet. And of Course Shacklebolts (sp) you cant deny that he has got style lol brilliant.

I did enjoy the lines in the movie that were used from *** books much better executed in this one then the others.
haha. Yeah the "hes got style" quote made the entire theatre laugh. Everybody seemed to like it a lot which I was pleased to see.

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. In a preview we got ages and ages ago, Harry's hand said, "I will not break rules." I remember this because my friend Jordan and I were very angry about it.
That had to have been from the 2nd detention when all of the DA were forced to write lines. Umbridge was sitting in DD's throne chair while they wrote the lines, & you could see & hear several of them grimacing through the pain.
I was almost disappointed that they had so many other students suffering this same torture. My 1st thought was now a parent would probably find out (Harry wouldn't tell anyone), but I guess that would go along with them confiscating all mail (not that you saw any of that).
Several people have stated that they didn't get the part about Cho snitching, but to me it was very obvious. They were holding her when Umbridge & crew burst into the DA meeting, & then there were all the guilty looks on her face. She looked like she was trying to apologise to Harry with her eyes. What was the shock for me on this was when Snape told Umbridge she used the last of his Veritaserum when questioning Cho. It really made Cho look not-so-guilty after all. I felt that Harry should probably consider speaking to her again after that, maybe the beginning of next year since the end of this one was so action-packed & emotional for him.

Someone also said that there was no link from Harry telling Snape about Padfoot, & then the Order appearing, but anyone who was paying attention during certain parts of the movie would've heard the conversation where the kids discussed that Snape was in the Order, so the logical conclusion would be that he would alert them for Harry (provided he isn't going to be mean & ignore him).

As for Umbridge's confession about the dementor attack, I really thought they should've taken 2 minutes & added that to the scene between DD & Harry. Just a short mention that the Ministry had managed to retrieve Umbridge from the forest, she's at St. Mungo's & she confessed to sending them. It wouldn't have taken long.

I was looking forward to the Bat-Bogey hex from Ginny, but the Reductor curse worked well for her & showed her as powerful, so I'm not disappointed.

Some parts were very fast-paced & you really needed to be paying close attention, so I can see why some people might've missed things. I'm sure there are several things I missed, & will definitely need to make plans to watch it again.

I've already said it was awesome, so I'll just leave it at that!
One other tiny thing that I noticed several pages back: someone seemed to think that LV's possession of Harry wasn't canon, but I think they need to reread their book!

Dementor attack. Mainly the part when the Dementor appears out of nowhere. It made me jump. At that point I knew this movie was gonna be a good one.


I thought the same thing, when i saw that i was like i like this movie already!

I also feel the "I feel sorry for" line is very interesting. In some ways I have always felt that all the lessons Harry has with Dumbledore in HBP were to not only to teach Harry how to fight Voldemort but for Harry to see the human side of Voldemort and feel sorry for him instead of a desire to kill him out of revenge.


One other point that I just remembered that upset me at first was the whole secret keeper part to get into Grimmauld place. What was with Moody tapping the ground 3 times? It would have taken just as long for him to hand the note to Harry and explain that by reading this it will show the building. We wouldn't even need to have seen the words on the note. Harry could have just read out load "number 12 Grimmauld place?" and then it would have started showing up. Now of course this isn't that big of a deal but it is another example of one of those things that would not have been hard to keep in the movie. For me that was the first thing that stuck out as odd to me.

I also expected to have more back story and connection between Harry and Luna on the train before they get to school. Luna was great but the way they did it in the movie it was like bam here is a new major character. I think a lot of people who have never read the books would have learned to understand her a lot more as a major player if that scene would have been there. As it was we were almost expected to just think of her as an odd character without really any reason to think of her as that. Introducing Luna as an unknown character and then have her describe some of her backstory later on seemed a little backwards to me.

Finally I also thought the scene in the tapestry room during Christmas where Sirius tells Harry the house is the HQ for the OOTP was a little odd. It made it seem like the first time Harry was at the house before school started he was only there for dinner and Sirius or anybody else didn't have a chance to explain all of that to Harry. It almost seemed like that line should have been in the begining when Harry first went to #12.

The film was well made too, and the cast was fantastic, Micheal Gambon's Dumbledore seems so cold and detatched, which I guess was the point. I wanted to see more of the seen where Harry goes into Snape's adolescence, oh well...

To a certain extent, yes. But I couldn't believe what they made of this highly emotional scene at the end. I was glad that they avoided CAPSLOCK Harry for most of the film but here he should have raved and Dumbledore should have showed some emotions. But when Gambon said that he cared for Harry I just didn't buy it. He didn't convey anything and it left me indifferent.

ILIKE:

* All the new characters were introduced. Bellatrix, Umbridge, Luna, Tonks, Kreacher, Kingsley, Grawp, Ms. Figg.
Tonks - perfect but far too little - but her playfulness, youth & clumsiness they got in.
Loved that they had Kingsley say Phineus' line.

I missed the screaming portrait.

I liked the 2 eye theme on the floor pattern of the MOM.

I loved the goats in the Hogs Head.

I noticed this scurrying rat everywhere! That is non canon - or taken from 12 Grimmauld and extended to Hogwarts - ominous! (hogs head & dd's army scenes).

it's expected that a film adaptation of such a long book has to be condensed and have stuff taken out, so I wasn't so suprised, I'm just worried that they might dig a plot whole that they can't get out in the future films.
good point here, but i think that if there was something that was going to leave to big of a plot whole JK would have said soemthing. FOr example she said that Kretcher needed to be added or they would have their hands tied in movie seven. I would say if it would mess up the plot too bad JK woudl have com mented on it.

Fave lines:

Harry's: With the centaurs 'Sorry, Professor. I must not tell lies.'
Snape's: Occlumency, watching Harry hug Sirius 'I may vomit.'

With the Sirius calling Harry 'James' scene. I liked it. It had a bit of set up early in the film with the conversation that was overheard with extendable ears...'He's not James, Sirius'---'He's not your son'---'He's as good as'...


I don't remember that vomit line!:lol: that's funny!

Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing the rat in many scenes. Maybe it was Peter doing a bit of spying? Non canon but I wonder if Harry would notice a rat here and there? I mean, Peter could be around still, in rat form, and maybe people would hardly notice him. I mean, Grimald place seems like a place where there are lots of rats.

So if he is a rat and seen in places where rats are expected to be, no one would take notice.

I really enjoyed the movie. Imelda Staunton pulled off Umbridge so unbelievably well that i was smiling half the time she spoke.

The only problem i had was that it seemed like they tried to cram too much in at the beginning of the movie. It just seemed it went so fast between the beginning with the dementors (which i thought were better than in the 3rd film) and to the time Harry got to school.

I was really impressed with Dumbledore's duel with Voldemort and also Voldemort's possesion of Harry. I really think Michael Gambon did well in that role, and i didn't really like him the first couple of movies he played Dumbledore in.

All in all, i think David Yates did a really good job, and i can't wait for HBP.

Emma Watson needs to leave the hyperventilation behind. Big sour note!
:lol: I always have always liked her as an actor but her heavy sighs and heaves were a little too much in the beginning.

I can't believe that I forget Evanna. She is captivating. No one could be so Loony like she is. I love her!!
I know! I really haven't saw one thing bad about her. She really hit her character.

The opening scene, which looked like the Midwest of the US.
It reminded me of Iowa


I loved the duel it looked amazing. The fire vs water part was also great.
The part I liked best about this was that they were using each other's house elements. Slytherian is Water and Gryffindor is Fire. Since I believe DD is the heir/decendent of GG I think this was a really powerful seen and that each wizard was able to manipulate the other's element and use it against them.

Slytherin is water and Gryffindor is fire? Where does it say that? It makes sense that each house would correspond to a classic element, but i've never read anything about it. What are Ravenclaw's and Hufflepuff's elements?

Ravenclaw wind and Hufflepuff is Earth, I think.

any references or proof of that?

I noticed this scurrying rat everywhere!
Oh my gosh. I didn't notice this at all. Were they mice or rats? Where were they?

any references or proof of that?
It doesn't say it in canon it is more something for the readers too pick up on. Notice where the house dormatories are located and when speaking of the Gryffindor common room the fireplace is almost always mention. In fact it is usually the point to locate from (ie the chairs by the fireplace or the chairs furthest from the fireplace).

Ravenclaw's dorms are in a tower--air
Slytherians--under the lake--water
Hufflepuff--underground and by the kitchens--earth
Gryffindor--I mention the fireplace referances above
(I also think we will see the refrences come into play with the horcruxes--we've already seen one--but that is another thread :D)

EDIT: Also look at their animals :)

any references or proof of that?

I don't believe so, but if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.

There were a lot of clever camera cuts / juxtapositions / etc. There seems to be a lot of stuff in there that second time through will be caught (or third or fourth) - there's a lot going on in the background in a lot of scenes.

I thought Dumbles was good in this one. I'm one who doesn't mind a loud and / or aggressive Dumbledore - I think he mixed it up just find. I just wish he conjured up that poofy chair :D.

i see. thanks.

Oh! I forgot about that part with Ron eating! That was so funny and SOOO accurate...ginny and hermione's faces! haha. I also loved the bicycle bell thing! It was so funny and endearing! And Ron! "You stay away from her!"

I saw the rat once - I missed it in Sirius' house. I think I was looking elsewhere on screen.

From accio quote (http://www.accio-quote.org/themes/hogwarts.htm):

The four houses “correspond roughly to the four elements.” Gryffindor is fire, Ravenclaw is air, Hufflepuff is earth, and Slytherin is water.

hehe, i sat all the way in the front row. makes the actions scenes more exciting, but you do sometimes miss the little stuff.

I enjoyed the Voldemort and Dumbledore duel was very cool. I did like how they used fire and water to combat. Harrys possession done very well, and the way he was release amazing. You know the more Voldemort says things like you will lose everything or makes similar comments it then results him him losing Harry in some way. In GoF he escapes from the graveyard in OotP he leaves because the whole ministry shows up. Sometimes the baddies need to learn not to say things like that lol. I do think that the possession could very well be an indicatior or forshadowing of the final battle between Voldemort and Harry. Although i think that Ginny would also be in his closest thoughts come final battle time.

i also remember seeing a rat everyonce and a while. ALthough i doubt the rat in Grimmuald place would have been Peter as if it even remotly looked like the rat was missing a finger he would have been exterminated immidiately.

wow, people will think ANYTHING is a horcrux these days.

;) yeah. but anything and everything is up for grabs when it comes down to the last book right? People are going crazy!

well he hasn't realized his feelings for her as more than just his best friends sister yet. he does that in HBP.

I saw the movie this afternoon. I have mixed feelings on it and I plan on giving my full feeling / review on it after I see it a second time, which I plan on doing this weekend.

One thing I have to ask though is some strange editing in the film I noticed....

Once they all get to the MoM and they start walking down the hall to the door of the Department of Mysteries, did it just all of a sudden just cut to them all standing in the hall of prophecies? I wasn't sure if this was just bad editing or if something was wrong with the film.

^^I think JKR said it once in an interview.

(to vkapadia)

I posted the link to the Accio Quote summary in my last post. I promise it's only a link to accio quote :angel:

;) yeah. but anything and everything is up for grabs when it comes down to the last book right? People are going crazy!

that is very true :)

my newest theory:
neville's rememberall is a horcrux!

SPOL YERS ahead

This is a real nit-pick. I thought the slo-mo holding Harry back in the Sirius death-scene was too derivative. Too Lord of the Ringsy. I wish they had thought up something more original there...

You know what I just thought about that'll be funny...wouldn't it be funny that if they actually have Grawp at DD's funeral and he see's Hermione just call out 'HERMY!!' I think it'll be cute lol..just a thought...ok....ignore me lol

Haha. that would be funny, but it would take away the serious moment and I hate that. Even in the books...I never laugh when ron is going "get it? Uranus?" in dom because I'm so immersed in the seriousness of whats happening that I'm thinking "that's not funny":no:

They most likely just cut the rest or the other rooms were just never distrubed. HOnestly the prophesey room and the room with the vail were the two most important and were included.

REaly ready to see movie again!

I can't get Bellatrix's laugh out of my head.
It's just out of my hands.

I hated it. If it were not for Luna and Umbridge, the movie would have been unbearable to watch

Dumbledore should have kept Voldy in the ball of water and just have him drown.

saw the midnight showing last night!

i was overwhelmingly....unimpressed. not dissappointed, like i have been in the past, just unimpressed.

this is most definitely the best movie so far, but still it was just ok. the thing is, i didnt feel any excitement. while the storyline was better than the others, it lacked the oomph that the other movies had. i went in fully expecting to go crazy during dumbledore's flight, stand up and salute fred and george as they leave school, and cry my heart out over sirius's death.

dumbledore's flight was boring, he just disappeared. fred and george didnt say anything, just blew up firecrackers (which were cool) and rode off. and when sirius died, i was just like "oh hey, he died." no emotion, no nothing.

only a couple of the plot points had problems. dumbledore and harry's talk after the fight with voldemort at the ministry was way too short and didnt explain enough. through the whole movie, they specifically called attention to the fact that dumbledore was ignoring harry, then when it came time to explain why, they ignored the issue entirely. either show the ignoring then explain it, or dont show the ignoring at all. this doesnt mean they need to talk to each other, but just dont include the part like at the hearing where harry calls out to dumbledore, or at school when trelawny's being sacked and harry runs after dumbledore. also, what was up with filch sitting outside the room of requirement? sure, it was funny, but it was totally pointless, not in the book, and did not add anything to the plotline. it just wasted time. time that could better have been spent explaining things during the harry-dumbledore talk. the same sort of thing happened in the GOF movie. they spent forever on that stupid dragon scene, which could have been much shorter, and instead focussed on more important scenes.

some of the actors were off their game i felt. daniel radcliffe just seemed odd and clunky. the scene where he was possessed by voldemort in the ministry of magic i started to laugh at how ridiculous he looked gasping on the floor. he didnt get the whole effect across. dolores umbridge did a horrible job. she had the look down perfect, but her acting was decent. in the books i felt like she was sweet on the outside, but a power hungry control freak on the inside. she was like that in the movie, but only through her lines. i didnt get the feeling from her acting. she just seemed confused the whole time. cho looked strange, she didnt look her normal cute self that she did in GOF. i just didnt like fudge's acting. don't know why, i just didn't. arabella figg did one of the worst jobs. in the book, when harry repels the dementors, figg comes running up to him, almost in a panic, raving at him not to put his wand away and to drag dudley along. in the movie, she sort of casually strolls up to him, and says in a slow monotonous voice "dont put your wand away" as if she's talking about the weather.

on the other hand, you had some great performances. tonks was gorgeous. they picked the perfect actress for her. "dont call me nymphadora". hehe. i cant wait to see more of her. michael gambon did great. i loved richard harris for the "love everyone, totally calm, full of wisdom" dumbledore, but gambon takes it to a whole new level with his "kick butt, take control, most powerful wizard in the world" dumbledore. alan rickman is the absolute best actor in the entire series. his portrayal of snape is immaculate. he totally gets that passive-aggressive, loathe all students, dry humor across. luna lovegood was amazing. her eerily dreamy performace bordered just right on creepy, but stayed perfectly lovable. ginny didnt have too many lines, but the way she blew apart the shelves was awesome. bellatrix put in a good performance, but like was said, she didnt strike me as that psycho in the books.

i was kinda dissappointed in the lack of lines for many of the characters. hagrid, ron, ginny, and mcgonagal (and probably many others, just cant think of them off the top of my head) had barely any lines, ron being just reduced to the occasional joke punchline.

the scene at the dept. of mysteries where the kids face the death eaters, then the order joins in, was not exciting at all. the only good part of that was when harry and sirius faced malfoy and one other death eater. the rest of the scene was just ok.

man, why do my posts always go so long. sorry, guys.

So vkapadia, do you praise Natalia Tena (Tonks) for one line, and despise Daniel Radcliffe for his passionate performance?
I see :huh:

someone need to tell Emma Watson that your supposed to get into chararcter when you go on a film set, because shes seems to be playing herself in a film...not Hermione.

I loved the trio's character developements. Daniel Radcliffe ....wow....he was good in gof but he was AMAZING in ootp! He is headed for great things! You really felt for Harry and Understood why he was so angry and you feel sorry for him. That possesion scene...I can't say this enough, topped the entire movie! Daniel made me beleive he was in pain and I actually thought voldemort was inside him!Then, Finally! Ron is being the loyal friend! I've always noticed his loyalty in the books, but never really saw it in the movies. It made me upset cause it was just giving the vibe that he was just Harry Potter's tag along friend. But in this one he seems to know who he is and isn't afraid. Particularly with the Seamus scene, "Yeah, I do! Anybody else got a problem with Harry?" ...the hallelujah chorus was ringing inside my head when I saw that. Finally the loyalty of ron IN A FILM! Woot! Woot! Hermione, who we've seen behind books and very pms-y before, becomes very opinionated (I loved her 'think' line with umbridge!) and....Hark! flirtatious with ron?! I loved it! Her character became more endearing and she really seemed to want to help harry. She seemed more of a character that we could connect to.....come to think of it, Everyones perfomances made me feel that way. It felt like I knew how they were feeling. Which is the best actors goals...they were fantastic!

I'm not even going to try to catch up on all the comments on this thread - it's moving so fast! :lol:

I saw the movie at the midnight showing last night. I think this is the best one yet. David Yates really seems to understand the series overall and that shows in the movie. For me, the most important thing has always been the characterization - if they get that right, the story will follow. And I do feel that they remained true to the overall story in the book.

I do think they could have added at least 20 more minutes and it would have been even better. The fight at the DoM was a bit too short and the final scene between Dumbledore and Harry was way to short - I really think they should have kept Harry's anger in there. There were a few scenes that seemed as though they had been trimmed down and something was missing. I am really hoping for that Extended Version DVD now.

A few things I noticed -

While we didn't actually see a locket, Kreacher is behaving very suspiciously when Harry first sees him. He has a small crate and he's in some kind of cabinet and when he sees Harry he shuts the cabinet and flips the crate over and stands on it to clean the portrait. It makes it appear that there is something in the cabinet that Kreacher was hiding or trying to get.

My impression of the prophecy scene was that Harry was the only one who could hear the prophecy because he was holding it and it was about him. When they cut from Harry to show the others, there was silence - then it was back to Harry and you would hear more of the prophecy. We didn't get to hear the whole thing, but it is implied that Harry did. If they handle that right, it can be expanded on well in the movie for HBP when Harry tells Ron and Hermione about it and/or when Dumbledore explains it further to him.

I think they did an excellent job in setting Snape up as the villain for HBP. Snape's actions regarding the whole thing with the DoM have always been suspicious to me and the movie leaves that impression as well. Harry's suspicions in HBP will make more sense - particularly since they didn't include all of Snape's taunting towards Sirius. Alan Rickman did an excellent job in showing how sinister and creepy Snape can be - the scene where he was roughly dragging Harry down the stairs was almost scary. And the Occlumency scene was very sinister and it almost felt like Snape was threatening Harry.

Gambon has improved as Dumbledore a great deal, but he will never truly be Dumbledore. He's just not calm and serene enough. Of course, Richard Harris will always be Dumbledore to me - he just embodied the true spirit of the character and I don't think they can ever truly replace him. But I was greatly relieved with Gambon's performance this time around - it was a lot closer to the correct characterization for Dumbledore.

Dan has improved a great deal as well. There were a couple of times he overdid the emotions a bit, but overall it was an excellent performance from him. He really showed how isolated and cut off Harry is feeling - even from his friends. I've always felt that Harry's propensity to cut himself off emotionally will be something he will need to deal with in DH and the movie sets this up nicely. If Yates follows this accuracy in HBP with Harry taking a huge step backwards after Dumbledore dies, it will be perfect.

Emma has also improved, although she still has a tendency to overdo the emotional scenes. I thought she was going to hyperventilate in the beginning when Harry arrived at Grimmauld Place. But Rupert's performance there pulls that scene together because you can see that he is worried as well. It gives the impression that they were both very worried and were discussing it before Harry arrived. But Emma does loosen up a lot more in this movie and she gives a more natural performance. The characterization for Hermione was very accurate in this one and a HUGE improvement over POA.

Rupert was excellent as always - he really is the most natural talent of the three. I was so glad to see them finally getting the characterization for Ron accurate and that they gave Ron the credit he deserved for the escape from the Inquisitor Squad - even if they did change how he did it from the book. But I felt they did an excellent job in showing Ron's courage and how protective he is towards his friends.

I think Yates did manage to leave a lot of small hints and clues towards the last two books - particularly with the relationships. Ginny's panged expression when Harry stayed behind to talk to Cho after the DA meeting said more than any dialog could reveal. I loved how Ron and Hermione were flirting a bit more - and the Grawp scene was wonderful.

I do wish they had included Umbridge inspecting McGonagall. That is one of my favorite scenes from the book and I just love how McGonagall took Trelawney down a peg in that scene. I think it would have added to the movie if they had included how everyone - including the teachers - was rebelling against Umbridge. But Flitwick's little triumphant gesture when the twins left was really great. And Filch was hilarious - I love the scene where he finds the candy! :rotfl:

The audience reaction was positive as well - and I was in a theater packed with HP fans. They were dressed up and everything. But everyone laughed, cheered, and applauded in all the right places. I didn't hear any complaints coming out - except from my husband who was aggravated because the two teenage girls behind him kept talking about what was going to happen next throughout the movie. He hates spoilers of any kind. :lol:

OOTP is definitely my favorite of all the movies and I can't wait to see what Yates does with HBP. :)

I wonder if the scene where Ron and Hermione are interrogating Harry about the kiss went off like the filmmakers originally planned it. I think that Emma broke down laughing at the ridiculousness of the scene, and the others just kind of followed suit, and of the 30ish takes that they took, they liked that one the best. It almost looked like they were struggling to stay in character.

I think that Emma was playing Hermione, not herself...she gets very expressive with her face when she's explaining things, and sometimes it looks overacting, sometimes not. I liked some of the scenes that looked more casual and improvised - the trio seem quite comfortable in their roles by now.

Meesha - I agree with almost everything you said :D. I too hope that they go the LOTR route and have a seamless "extended edition". The movie could use about 20 more minutes...and there's a few specific scenes that they could put in, if they shot them during filming. Basically, all the scenes that have been put forth on this thread as being "too short" :D

Wow this thread is moving fast. I left on page 38 and now i'm on 46! :lol:
I'm so excited for this movie. I want to see it now! :upset:

I do wish they had included Trelawney inspecting McGonagall. That is one of my favorite scenes from the book and I just love how McGonagall took Trelawney down a peg in that scene.


Trelawney inspecting? You mean Umbridge

I have a question for everyone who's seen the movie...

Once they all get to the MoM and they start walking down the hall to the door of the Department of Mysteries, did it just all of a sudden just cut to them all standing in the hall of prophecies? I wasn't sure if this was just bad editing or if something was wrong with the film.

I have a question for everyone who's seen the movie...

Once they all get to the MoM and they start walking down the hall to the door of the Department of Mysteries, did it just all of a sudden just cut to them all standing in the hall of prophecies? I wasn't sure if this was just bad editing or if something was wrong with the film.
They took the elevator and it said "Department of Mysteries". They had a camera shot down the hallway, Harry says something like "there it is" and they cut into them walking through the shelves of the prophecies. They clearly just wanted to cut to the important part.

The Prophecy hall looks so amazing! They did a great job! :clap:

I just got back from the movie. Definitely the BEST, IMO, of te series of movies. David Yates deserves a thumbs up. Even Michael Gambon (who I have never been impressed with as Dumbledore) gave a more believeable performance. I did miss 2 scenes--both with McGonagall and Umbridge getting into it.

They took the elevator and it said "Department of Mysteries". They had a camera shot down the hallway, Harry says something like "there it is" and they cut into them walking through the shelves of the prophecies. They clearly just wanted to cut to the important part.

OK., it just seemed like a very strange editing. You see them walking down the hall from above, the music is building up, then all of a sudden the music cuts out and they're standing in the Hall of Prophecies. I thought there was something wrong with our film or something.

I have no problem with them cutting out the other things, but the editing during this part was really bad. They could have at least showed them walking through the door and coming upon the Hall of Prophecies.

There were other moments like this in the movie, but this one was the worst....

am i the only one who thought that luna's voice was all wrong? i think her expressions were dead on, but she sounded so affected.

I loved Luna, high pitched voice and all.

Also thankfully Sirius didnt have his head in the ashes this time in the fire.

am i the only one who thought that luna's voice was all wrong? i think her expressions were dead on, but she sounded so affected.

Luna is described as having a dreamy voice. Plus, that's how the actress really talk. I thought Luan was perfect!!!


Here's what the books says about Luna....

The girl beside the window looked up. She had straggly, waist-length, dirty blonde hair, very pale eyebrows and protuberant eyes that gave her a permanently surprised look. Harry knew at once why Neville had chosen to
pass this compartment by. The girl gave off an aura of distinct dottiness. Perhaps it was the fact that she had stuck her wand behind her left ear for safekeeping, or that she had chosen to wear a necklace of Butterbeer corks, or
that she was reading a magazine upside-down. Her eyes ranged over Neville and came to rest on Harry. She nodded.

Thanks,' said Ginny, smiling at her.
Harry and Neville stowed the three trunks and Hedwig's cage in the luggage
rack and sat down. Luna watched them over her upside-down magazine, which
was called The Quibbler. She did not seem to need to blink as much as normal
humans. She stared and stared at Harry, who had taken the seat opposite her
and now wished he hadn't.
'Had a good summer, Luna?' Ginny asked.
'Yes,' said Luna dreamily, without taking her eyes off Harry. 'Yes, it was
quite enjoyable, you know. You're Harry Potter,' she added.

During their first defence class, after Harry got the detention, did Umbridge give Harry a note to give to McGonagell like in the book?

During their first defence class, after Harry got the detention, did Umbridge give Harry a note to give to McGonagell like in the book?
No she didnt.

I did not mind Lunas voice sounded very dreamy and Luna like. She was played well. I like how she was able to talk to Harry and she talks to him about being alone. The scene where she is in the Forbidden Forest without her shoes with the thestreals i thought was a good scene. I really didnt mind luna or the way she was portrayed at all in this film.

OotP 5 outta 5 stars from me!

I think the fact that Harry was a lot nicer to Luna was good. I liked that better than in the books.

OMG! Just watched it and it's miles away better than GoF (thank god!). It's close to PoA even! The only scene I didn't like was the Dursleys scene in the beginning. Everyone's acting has improved so much and Bellatrix and Umbridge are perfect! This movie is alot more serious and doesn't have as many cheesy jokes but I love how they stay true to the characters. Ron is finally Ron. Am I the only one who doesn't want Kloves to come back? The new guy is much better! The story flowed really well, not like GoF where is was all put together like building blocks! I hope HBP will be just as good.

Trelawney inspecting? You mean Umbridge

Oops! Thanks for catching that. I corrected it. :blush: See how excited I am? :lol:

This is a real nit-pick. I thought the slo-mo holding Harry back in the Sirius death-scene was too derivative. Too Lord of the Ringsy. I wish they had thought up something more original there...
On the contrary, it took me by surprise. Up till the point everything had been happening so fast and a then we were slowed down to process quickly what just happened. I am glad we didn't hear the scream, I probably would have lost it there!

Dumbledore should have kept Voldy in the ball of water and just have him drown.
But he wouldn't have died, he still has his horcruxes out there ;)

Also thankfully Sirius didnt have his head in the ashes this time in the fire.

Yes! I like it much better this way, like in the book where his face illuminates in the flames instead of appearing on the log.

I did not mind Lunas voice sounded very dreamy and Luna like. She was played well. I like how she was able to talk to Harry and she talks to him about being alone. The scene where she is in the Forbidden Forest without her shoes with the thestreals i thought was a good scene. I really didnt mind luna or the way she was portrayed at all in this film.

OotP 5 outta 5 stars from me!

Luna's voice is perfect. Thats exactly how I pictured Luna when I read the book.

am i the only one who thought that luna's voice was all wrong? i think her expressions were dead on, but she sounded so affected.

Actually, that's how I have always imagined Luna's voice when I'm reading - kind of wispy and dreamy. I thought Evanna was perfect for Luna. They were right - she is Luna. :lol:

I realy liked this movie. At least it is better than the others the casting was amazing. I loved Luna she was dead on and she did a wounderfull job. Umbrige was perfict and an amazing villian. I did like the fight seens tho I was disapointed the fountain did not come to life. The dynamic between the trio was great. And it was hillairious that Ron got gelious of Graup.

Luna is described as having a dreamy voice. Plus, that's how the actress really talk. I thought Luan was perfect!!!
..

dreamy, right. she just sounded so unintelligent, and i've always thought luna to be quite fun and clever. don't get me wrong, i think evanna lynch was fabulous, i just thought her voice was annoying.

I realy liked this movie. At least it is better than the others the casting was amazing. I loved Luna she was dead on and she did a wounderfull job. Umbrige was perfict and an amazing villian. I did like the fight seens tho I was disapointed the fountain did not come to life. The dynamic between the trio was great. And it was hillairious that Ron got gelious of Graup.

Wait, how come Ron got jealious? :lol:

someone need to tell Emma Watson that your supposed to get into character when you go on a film set, because shes seems to be playing herself in a film...not Hermione.
You can hardly blame Emma for her lack of character (which I must disagree with anyway: she did an excellent job for her role). The movie made so that we barely glimpsed Ron and Hermione, and when we did, they were incredibly rushed, and thus they certainly did not have time to get into character (if that is what you wish to call it. Again, Rupert and Emma seemed perfectly in character to me). Also, Emma and Rupert's lines were not the traditional Hermione/Ron lines: the movie Ron and Hermione are as different from the book Ron and Hermione as day and night (to speak hyperbolically). The films have, ever since the second, been 'gradually' shying away from the book in this sense: Ron and Hermione have not been nearly as close to Harry as in the books, and thus there are major alterations. Ron can no longer truly fulfill the 'right hand man' role, simply because Harry and Ron are not that close. Hermione is no longer needed as the 'smart one', at least not in this movie. They wanted to concentrate on Harry's Defense skills, and thus could not allow Hermione to be the All-knowing One.

I must admit that this is the first film out of the series that has left me uncomfortable at the end. All of the movies have their numerous problems, but OotP left me expecting more. I felt somewhat down after it finished, but that is not to say I did not enjoy it. Overall, it is among the best of the films, second only to GoF, in my opinion. My enjoyment of Harry Potter and the book easily mended my slight disappointment, for we cannot expect a movie too loyal to an 870 page book, cut down to 2 hours and 19 minutes.

The major complaint I have about the film is that it was rushed. Yates made the mistake of Columbus, in that he tried to fit as much from the book into the movie. It is alright if you do this with a 250 page novel, but not an 870 page one. Therefore, much of the scenes were crammed together, which did not allow the movie to flow as well.

However, my intent is not to criticize Yates, for he had a monster of a book to whittle down immensely. But, of course, many things he included could have been easily cut.

I enjoyed Kreacher's presence, as a book fan, but he was simply irrelevant. He served no purpose (unlike in the book), and thus he was a pointless character to include. The same with Tonks. These two characters took time (however minimal) to introduce, but what did Yates do with these characters? Nothing. Sirius had to hurriedly explain what Kreacher was (not too successfully - I doubt many solely movie fans would have picked up on it), and Tonks was left in disarray. We saw some of her Metamorphmagus ability, but there was no explanation. She was simply a confusing character that caused audience members to dwell on when she played no role.

Now, the only other criticism I shall offer on the movie as a whole is this: While decently important, the Occlumency lessons were poorly explained and confusing. Had I not read the book numerous times (once mere days before the movie), I doubt I would have picked up on what it was. Snape was incoherent during his explanation about Occlumency, speaking hurriedly and mostly about Voldemort using Legilimency (although even that was mentioned as a mere side note) and how he killed wizards last time. Thus, the reason for Harry to take Occlumency was never truly known.

As for the acting:

Overall, the acting was very good, despite the beginning. The beginning simply overwhelmed you with characters and information in a short span of time. The Dursleys' acting (despite Petunia) was very poor, considering there was no time for them to truly act; Mad-Eye Moody's quick speech to Harry was immensely poor; and Ron and Hermione at Grimmauld Place were too hurried to do much. Overall, the hurried beginning caused bad acting. However, this was mended quickly.

This was the first film in which I truly thought Daniel Radcliffe was better than mediocre. In fact, I shall go further and call his acting in OotP just shy of superb. The only problem he had was the script: he delivered his lines as best he could, but many of his early lines did not allow Dan to show his acting skills. I thought his reaction after Sirius's death was incredible: I believed his anguish (assisted by the fact that all was muted), which made the rest of his performance believable. I only wish that he was allowed more time at the end (at Hogwarts) to show how heartbroken he was, for Sirius's death was forgotten after Voldemort and Dumbledore's battle.

Rupert and Emma had a shaky start, but ended up with their best performances as of yet. I truly enjoyed the Room of Requirement scene between Ron and Hermione. One thing Yates did well was develop the Ron/Hermione relationship tremendously. Almost every scene we saw them, there was at least something hinting at their upcoming relationship (the Grawp scene in particular: Rupert was incredibly believable).

However, I must confess that I was disappointed with Bonnie Wright's and Matthew Lewis's characters - but not their performances. I cannot hold anything against either, considering the problem I have is that they were barely shown, and Ginny in particular had incredible few lines. Matthew was very good with what little he had - I did not think he did the best when he was confessing to Harry about Bellatrix and his parents, though. However, I thought for certain that Ginny's character would be particularly important, but I was proven wrong. Her reactions with Harry and Cho and her minimal lines were very good, however.

The best 'child' performance, however, goes, without a doubt, to Evanna Lynch. She was a superb Luna Lovegood, never betraying the airy voice nor her 'bored'/lax look about her. I could tell, with her in particular, that she was a fan of the books, considering she copied the book Luna in every aspect she could. The only regret with her, though, is that she only mentioned nargles. I was sincerely hoping for a Crumple-Horned Snorkack. She was incredible, and I can say no more.

Imelda Staunton was obviously the best of anyone, however. Everything from her pink cardigan to her fake cough and simpering laugh to her Darker side was tremendous. She was one of the few performers that never faltered in her character (Evanna and Daniel among her in this category), and she used every description of Umbridge by JKR to the fullest. Of course, she had to be great considering the amount of screen time given to her: I would not be surprised if her time on the screen outstrips Harry's (another slightly bad thing about the movie).

It would take me hours more to describe the other actors and the scenes (which I may eventually do), but I must be going. The movie, overall, had its bad parts, but the amount of great actors, scenes, etc. makes those bad aspects forgettable.

Overall, I really liked it. There are a few changes that I didn't like very much:

I hated that Marietta was cut out and that Cho was given Veritaserum to reveal the information about the DA. It made me feel bad for Cho, but in the book she really was a kinda of a brat (imho, anyway). I also really wanted to see the word SNEAK on someone's face!lol!

I really, REALLY hated that Bellatrix killed Sirius with the Avada Kedavra Curse, and then he gets sucked into the veil because he's dead. It was always my opinion that Sirius died because he fell through the veil. The movie makes it seem like he goes through the veil because he died. It's a subtle difference, but it ruins the whole mystery of the veil, and it surprised me so much that I couldn't even grieve for Sirius' death much because it irked me. It just made the death less emotional for me. Does that make sense?

I also really wish that we could have seen more of Dumbledore's power and more of his calm intellect.

Other than those points, I really enjoyed the movie. I'm going to see it again this weekend.

Did anyone else notice some interesting Neville/Luna moments in OotP? Or is it just me.

That would be an interesting way to kill Voldemort drown him, althouhg a good point is made he has those pesky horcruxes out there. I wonder have we seen any of the horcruxes in the movies yet? except for Riddles diary.

Yeah for the Ron/Hermione moments, and Ginnys eyes when Harry was around Cho. She didtn even need to speak with those looks she gave. I like how they showed that she was defiantly a gifted young witch.

Wait, how come Ron got jealious? :lol:

I wouldn't say that he's jealous so much as protective there. He was worried that Hermione would be hurt - and Grawp did actually pick her up. That's one of my favorite scenes. :)

You can hardly blame Emma for her lack of character (which I must disagree with anyway: she did an excellent job for her role). The movie made so that we barely glimpsed Ron and Hermione, and when we did, they were incredibly rushed, and thus they certainly did not have time to get into character (if that is what you wish to call it. Again, Rupert and Emma seemed perfectly in character to me). Also, Emma and Rupert's lines were not the traditional Hermione/Ron lines: the movie Ron and Hermione are as different from the book Ron and Hermione as day and night (to speak hyperbolically). The films have, ever since the second, been 'gradually' shying away from the book in this sense: Ron and Hermione have not been nearly as close to Harry as in the books, and thus there are major alterations. Ron can no longer truly fulfill the 'right hand man' role, simply because Harry and Ron are not that close. Hermione is no longer needed as the 'smart one', at least not in this movie. They wanted to concentrate on Harry's Defense skills, and thus could not allow Hermione to be the All-knowing One.

I must admit that this is the first film out of the series that has left me uncomfortable at the end. All of the movies have their numerous problems, but OotP left me expecting more. I felt somewhat down after it finished, but that is not to say I did not enjoy it. Overall, it is among the best of the films, second only to GoF, in my opinion. My enjoyment of Harry Potter and the book easily mended my slight disappointment, for we cannot expect a movie too loyal to an 870 page book, cut down to 2 hours and 19 minutes.

The major complaint I have about the film is that it was rushed. Yates made the mistake of Columbus, in that he tried to fit as much from the book into the movie. It is alright if you do this with a 250 page novel, but not an 870 page one. Therefore, much of the scenes were crammed together, which did not allow the movie to flow as well.

However, my intent is not to criticize Yates, for he had a monster of a book to whittle down immensely. But, of course, many things he included could have been easily cut.

I enjoyed Kreacher's presence, as a book fan, but he was simply irrelevant. He served no purpose (unlike in the book), and thus he was a pointless character to include. The same with Tonks. These two characters took time (however minimal) to introduce, but what did Yates do with these characters? Nothing. Sirius had to hurriedly explain what Kreacher was (not too successfully - I doubt many solely movie fans would have picked up on it), and Tonks was left in disarray. We saw some of her Metamorphmagus ability, but there was no explanation. She was simply a confusing character that caused audience members to dwell on when she played no role.

Now, the only other criticism I shall offer on the movie as a whole is this: While decently important, the Occlumency lessons were poorly explained and confusing. Had I not read the book numerous times (once mere days before the movie), I doubt I would have picked up on what it was. Snape was incoherent during his explanation about Occlumency, speaking hurriedly and mostly about Voldemort using Legilimency (although even that was mentioned as a mere side note) and how he killed wizards last time. Thus, the reason for Harry to take Occlumency was never truly known.

As for the acting:

Overall, the acting was very good, despite the beginning. The beginning simply overwhelmed you with characters and information in a short span of time. The Dursleys' acting (despite Petunia) was very poor, considering there was no time for them to truly act; Mad-Eye Moody's quick speech to Harry was immensely poor; and Ron and Hermione at Grimmauld Place were too hurried to do much. Overall, the hurried beginning caused bad acting. However, this was mended quickly.

This was the first film in which I truly thought Daniel Radcliffe was better than mediocre. In fact, I shall go further and call his acting in OotP just shy of superb. The only problem he had was the script: he delivered his lines as best he could, but many of his early lines did not allow Dan to show his acting skills. I thought his reaction after Sirius's death was incredible: I believed his anguish (assisted by the fact that all was muted), which made the rest of his performance believable. I only wish that he was allowed more time at the end (at Hogwarts) to show how heartbroken he was, for Sirius's death was forgotten after Voldemort and Dumbledore's battle.

Rupert and Emma had a shaky start, but ended up with their best performances as of yet. I truly enjoyed the Room of Requirement scene between Ron and Hermione. One thing Yates did well was develop the Ron/Hermione relationship tremendously. Almost every scene we saw them, there was at least something hinting at their upcoming relationship (the Grawp scene in particular: Rupert was incredibly believable).

However, I must confess that I was disappointed with Bonnie Wright's and Matthew Lewis's characters - but not their performances. I cannot hold anything against either, considering the problem I have is that they were barely shown, and Ginny in particular had incredible few lines. Matthew was very good with what little he had - I did not think he did the best when he was confessing to Harry about Bellatrix and his parents, though. However, I thought for certain that Ginny's character would be particularly important, but I was proven wrong. Her reactions with Harry and Cho and her minimal lines were very good, however.

The best 'child' performance, however, goes, without a doubt, to Evanna Lynch. She was a superb Luna Lovegood, never betraying the airy voice nor her 'bored'/lax look about her. I could tell, with her in particular, that she was a fan of the books, considering she copied the book Luna in every aspect she could. The only regret with her, though, is that she only mentioned nargles. I was sincerely hoping for a Crumple-Horned Snorkack. She was incredible, and I can say no more.

Imelda Staunton was obviously the best of anyone, however. Everything from her pink cardigan to her fake cough and simpering laugh to her Darker side was tremendous. She was one of the few performers that never faltered in her character (Evanna and Daniel among her in this category), and she used every description of Umbridge by JKR to the fullest. Of course, she had to be great considering the amount of screen time given to her: I would not be surprised if her time on the screen outstrips Harry's (another slightly bad thing about the movie).

It would take me hours more to describe the other actors and the scenes (which I may eventually do), but I must be going. The movie, overall, had its bad parts, but the amount of great actors, scenes, etc. makes those bad aspects forgettable.
Barely glimpsed Ron & Hermione? Are you kidding me? That meaning if you are speaking about how much they were in the movie because there were few scenes where they werent in it. But they werent signifigant to what happened in the GoF movie either.

You have your own opinion but to me GoF was hands down the worst film of the series. The third task was rushed like crazy and wasnt at all cool like it was in the book. The graveyard scene was awfullly short. They gave almost no info about what happened with the Crouch family which was hugely important to the story. It just seemed like Yates understood it and what was important and needed to be in it.

i agree with MrSleepyHead, it felt like Ron and Hermione were just background characters. They were very visible, but didn't really do much.

Did anyone else notice some interesting Neville/Luna moments in OotP? Or is it just me.

I noticed. I thought that was interesting since Jo has basically shot the idea of them becoming a couple down. I think they will end up being very good friends at least. :)

Yeah for the Ron/Hermione moments, and Ginnys eyes when Harry was around Cho. She didtn even need to speak with those looks she gave. I like how they showed that she was defiantly a gifted young witch.

:agree:

I wouldn't say that he's jealous so much as protective there. He was worried that Hermione would be hurt - and Grawp did actually pick her up. That's one of my favorite scenes. :)

oh got it :lol:

How did the dementor scene look (no not the dementors), but the entire scene? Was it good? (despite the fact that the dementors had no hoods.)

oh got it :lol:

How did the dementor scene look (no not the dementors), but the entire scene? Was it good? (despite the fact that the dementors had no hoods.)
I really liked the scene. I found the dementors to be better than they were in PoA. One of them just popped up out of nowhere and slammed Harry into the wall by his neck. It made me jump. I thought the scene was pretty cool.

With the Neville/Luna ship - I completely ship them, and I wish they could be canon, but meesha's right - JKR's shot them down.

It's weird that the ship wasn't just hinted at, though: Neville grabbed Luna's hand twice in the DoM.

StephyJ_83 - I agree completely. Sirius not being (supposedly......:)nah, jk,) killed by the veil....it does make it less emotional and less mysterious. I was really disappointed in that, although I can understand why they changed it - can't you just imagine the solely movie fans' *what the -ahem - fudge* faces? :)

I really liked the scene. I found the dementors to be better than they were in PoA. One of them just popped up out of nowhere and slammed Harry into the wall by his neck. It made me jump. I thought the scene was pretty cool.

Yeah I remember seeing that scene on A&E. Also remember Dudley running and he slipped, then another dementor came out of no where! That was so cool!

I loved the movie.

And like many have said, Gambon's acting the part has greatly improved. For such a long book, they did a pretty good job of compresing it into a decent length film. No evidence of the locket in Grimwauld Place, however. No Howler to Aunt Petunia either.

I really loved the vapid expression on Dudley's face as he was being carried back home. LOL!

I pray they do the extended DVD's (or Blue Ray's or Whatever-the-common-format is at the time) whenever they finish the 7 movies.

KDOG - Although the dementor scene wasn't too bad, and I lurved how surprising it was (I jumped and I think my heart skipped a beat....I've never seen a horror movie :)) when the dementor slammed Harry against the wall, I have to say that I prefer the PoA dementors. They were actually one of the few things I liked about PoA. On the other hand, the OotP Patroni were awesome, way better than PoA's weird forcefield-ball-wave-thing.

I tried reading what everyone has post but just keep getting farther and farther behind.

I thought the editing on this film was dreadful.
1) They obviously filmed SWM with the pensieve because Harry appears in the memory. Then they sliced it all up and left Harry in the memory, terrible.
2) Harry and Hermione in Dolorous' office-cut-Dolorous-cut-Ron, Neville, Luna, Ginny, and the Inqisition Squad there... I knew what was supposed to happen and I was shaking my head...what?
It seems they just shoved stuff anywhere. I have the feeling now that they rushed the editing. I hope there will be a directors cut that's about 3 hours long, maybe I won't think it is so awful.

As for personal movie preferences which may cloud my judgement on the movie.
1) I don't like movies that are shot too tight on the characters, too many close-ups it makes it feel claustrophobic.
2) What was that handicam jumping bit when Harry was running into the atrium after Bella? It made me sea sick.
3) I personally hate movies that are too darkly lit, because I am a visual learner I want to see everything.
4) I thought most of the sets were tiny especially Grimauld Place (the hall was barely wide enough for one person, is this common in row houses?) and the Gryffindor common room and DD office, (was it just me or were they smaller than before?)
5) I also found the background sounds annoying i.e. the music playing in the common room, and the meowing of the kittens in Umbridge's office (although this was a great bit of merriment for the audience I was watching with), it seemed too loud and covered part of the dialogue, or was that just me.
6) The CG/SE were not good the DE/Order colored smoke/sand reminded me of the "Charmed" episode when Phoebe gets mummified, when that demon is vanquished he goes up in a puff of sand. And Dumbledore leaving his office with Fawkes looked just like when Cole vanquishes a demon. My brain was really confused... I don't think WB put enough money in the Special effects budget as usual.

Our midnight show audience was great, I think it was full of Snape/Rickman lovers. When we first saw him at dinner and Dolorous does her first "hmm" the look on his face was priceless, the entire theater laughed. Rickman was as usual wonderful, putting so much into it with just his facial expressions. When Umbridge is inspecting his class--the best (huge laugh)!!!

We all also laughed at the kissing scene, talk about cheesy!! The mistletoe starts to grow and bloom. I would have rather had more of anything than this drawn out awful kissing, jeez it was longer than SWM. One bad thing that happened though was my favorite Hermione line ever got laughed over because of what Ron says just before it. Ron says something like "no one can feel all of that, they'd explode" and Hermione says "Ron you have the emotional range of a teaspoon."

I laughed out loud at the barman in the Hogshead when I first heard the goat, then it shows him chasing it out....can you spell Aberforth?...hahahaha

I though Ginny's reducto spells were amazing and the looks on Fred and George's faces when she did it like "Oops, we better not mess with her anymore". Then in the HoP she does it again and Harry yells "Run". Great!!! I think this might be a forshadowing of how powerful a witch she will be. I wish they would have shown her "Bat Bogey Hex", I can't really picture it in my mind.

I like most other people I thought the girl who played Luna did it perfectly with the dialog she was given. I would have liked to have seen more of Dame Maggie Smith (or at least seen her standing up to Umbridge.) More of Tonks and Bella, as well.

Gambon as usual was dreadful. Too frantic, not Dumbledorish enough for me, his first scene he comes rushing into the Wizengamot courtroom. The Dumbledore in my head never rushes, much to stately for that.

Harry hands the prophesy over to Lucius, rediculous!!! And what part of "black curtain" sounds like "watery see-though smokey thing"?

I guess I just go to the movies to see what gets left out, what I can subtract from my theories. Anyway I won't see this movie again unless there is a directors cut DVD, or my daughter wants me to get it from Netflix.

Ooops too long, sorry:grumble:

I just saw it and I really liked it! Probably my favorite so far, and definatly my favorite director.
I liked the screenplay, and how it incorporated a lot of lines from the book.
I liked all of the new actors and the music was really good too.
David Yates did a good job of showing the psychological aspects of the book, such as when Harry is bending his neck in the same way that LV was and when he saw himself as LV in the mirror.
Occlumency and SWM were too short, but I liked how they kept in the part where Harry tells Snape about Padfoot.
Umbridge was super and her kittens were funny. She was very good at being sweet and nasty at the same time.
They shipped all the right people in this movie. There was a lot of Ron/Hr, as well as some subtle Harry/Ginny hints.
The fight scene at the DoM was really cool, although I didn't like all of the smokiness. I thought the fight between LV and DD was awesome, and DD's escape from Hogwarts was cool too.
Fred and George's escape was good, but I would have liked it if they left the swamp part in.
I especially liked how, even though they had to cut a lot, it didn't really seem like stuff was cut.
Hermione was a lot better in this one than she was in GOF, where she was on the verge of tears the entire time. The Grawp part was pretty cool.
Okay, negative critisism, let's see... the movie would have been really confusing if I hadn't read the book.
They underplayed Sirius' death, and Harry didn't seem too upset, although this may have been because Daniel Raddcliffe's on-screen crying skills leave a lot to be desired. The whole ending was rather short.
I was disappointed that they cut the Quibbler part., and I wish they hadn't cut out the fake galleon/Sneak part.

I really liked how they did the part where LV is possesing Harry. It was scary, but interesting and emotional at the same time.

All in all, it was a really grand movie!

Overall, I really liked it. There are a few changes that I didn't like very much:



I really, REALLY hated that Bellatrix killed Sirius with the Avada Kedavra Curse, and then he gets sucked into the veil because he's dead. It was always my opinion that Sirius died because he fell through the veil. The movie makes it seem like he goes through the veil because he died. It's a subtle difference, but it ruins the whole mystery of the veil, and it surprised me so much that I couldn't even grieve for Sirius' death much because it irked me. It just made the death less emotional for me. Does that make sense?



THANK YOU!! I have a question. Does everything in the movie get approved by JK? Because Bellatrix in cannon NEVER says the AK. Red lights are bouncing around, Sirius tautns her , she hits him with a curse (Not mentioned as AK) he takes ages to fall..... Does having Bellatrix AK him in the movie imply that JK has given her approval? Does it mean that JK thinks it's ok to AK Sirius? I don't think he is coming back, but he did not die by AK!!

KDOG - Although the dementor scene wasn't too bad, and I lurved how surprising it was (I jumped and I think my heart skipped a beat....I've never seen a horror movie :)) when the dementor slammed Harry against the wall, I have to say that I prefer the PoA dementors. They were actually one of the few things I liked about PoA. On the other hand, the OotP Patroni were awesome, way better than PoA's weird forcefield-ball-wave-thing.

Now i'm really dying to see that scene! It sounds so cool.:lol: I jumped when I saw that scene on the A&E special. It was creepy!

Sorry for spamming, but... COS IS CLOSING IN 9 HOURS AND 45 MINUTES!!!!! http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=107794.

I loved the movie.

And like many have said, Gambon's acting the part has greatly improved. For such a long book, they did a pretty good job of compresing it into a decent length film. No evidence of the locket in Grimwauld Place, however. No Howler to Aunt Petunia either.

I really loved the vapid expression on Dudley's face as he was being carried back home. LOL!

I pray they do the extended DVD's (or Blue Ray's or Whatever-the-common-format is at the time) whenever they finish the 7 movies.

I have to agree that they did a wonderful job of portraying the book. I thought the actors timing of the little comedy in the movie was brilliant and that overall they carried the movie well. This was the first time I'd seen a movie after reading the books (I started reading them in January) so I knew exactly what was going on. My husband loved the movie and though he hasn't read the books, he had only a few questions.

Well done, Warner Bros., well done!!:clap:

No JKR does not approve anything in the movie, at least i don't belive she does. I think she offers guidence and leaves it up to the big shots to take it or not. Like what happend with Kreature.

oh got it :lol:

How did the dementor scene look (no not the dementors), but the entire scene? Was it good? (despite the fact that the dementors had no hoods.)

That was a really good scene. I knew it was coming and I still jumped - they just came out of nowhere. It was very creepy. They used a similar effect to POA with the pulling misty look - like something being drawn out of them. I'm not really fond of that effect myself, but I guess it would make it more clear to people who haven't read the book what the dementors do.

I just went to see the movie, and I really liked it! I thought, as a movie, it was fantastic. But compared to the book, it wasn't that great. I am one of those people who wants the movies to be exactly like the books, even if it results in a 10 hour movie. Plus, I've got my own vision and ideas of how things look or seem based on the books, so in a sense, the movies kind of change what I have known to be.

Granted this movie was based on the longest book in the series, I felt that too much was left out. Was there ever a point where it was mentioned that Hermione and Ron were the new prefects? Where was Quidditch!?!? And Harry never had any real outbursts in the movie, even though he was constantly yelling around Ron and Hermione, and Dumbledore after Sirius died. Also, the time scale was really thrown off. One minute the students are in classes or DA meetings, and it seems like the next minutes it's Christmas. Harry didn't even leave Hogwarts after seeing Mr. Weasley's attack, he got dragged out of Dumbledore's office for his first Occlumency lesson. And then soon after it seems, the students are taking their O.W.L.s (and why where Fred and George there??), only to be interrupted by a display of fireworks (which were much less impressive than I hoped for).

I was really disappointed that the battle in the Ministry between the Death Eaters and the Order didn't last longer. We were only ever shown an overview, not the specific battles going on, except for Sirius. And the fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore was not as exciting as I hoped. It almost looked like they had their own Prior Incantatem going on, rather than shooting spells at one another like the fight going on in the Department of Mysteries. I did like it when Fudge entered the Ministry and after seeing Voldemort stated "he's back!", that was quite comical.

I absolutely HATED the part where Harry just handed the prophecy over to Lucius. There was absolutely no variation of that happening in the book, and I never thought they would have portrayed Harry as being that stupid in the movie. Harry should have known that Lucius would stay calm and nice towards him because he wanted the prophecy, so that last thing Harry should have done would be to give it to him... but he hands it right over!!

I never really liked is how Dumbledore seems to be really aggressive and not like the calm and quiet Dumbledore described in the books. In the last 3 movies he has tended to shout a lot, grab Harry and almost shake him for answers, and he can't seem to keep his cool. In the books he intimidated Harry with his quiet responses of disappointment, rather than by arguing and shouting at him.

Also, I expected Umbridge to be less pretty and more toad-like, but that's me again being to obsessed with preciseness to the books.

I'm really not as negative as I'm coming off to be, I just always hope for the (impossible) movie that is a complete visual representation of the books. I really liked how they improved the patronuses so that they actually chased down the dementors, rather than standing still while they pulsed anti-dementor vibes like a heart beat. And I also really liked the increase in hints towards future relationships. Ron and Hermione are definately on good terms, and it was clear that Ginny was jealous when Harry went off with Cho. I LOVED Luna, she was almost exactly as I pictured while reading the book. And Grawp was amazing as well, quite like the giant I imagined. The DA meetings were always fun to watch, it was wonderful seeing Harry as a teacher, and seeing Neville succeed!

I really did like the movie, as a movie. Even with all the negative aspects I have pointed out, I will watch it again and again. To me the books will always be held on a higher level though, for nothing can really top them. :)

That was a really good scene. I knew it was coming and I still jumped - they just came out of nowhere. It was very creepy. They used a similar effect to POA with the pulling misty look - like something being drawn out of them. I'm not really fond of that effect myself, but I guess it would make it more clear to people who haven't read the book what the dementors do.

Haha you know whats funny? Ok you know how Harry and Dudley noticed that everything was getting cold or whatever, and they started running? Wow I didnt realise that Dudley could run that fast! :lol:

The two things I didn't like. One was Duds, was it just me or was he acting like an amateur chav. I was wondering why he was wearing those baggy shorts and gold chain. I always thought Duds dressed nicely in a collar shirt and khakis to make his parents think he's perfect.

The other thing was the kiss. It was ambiguous(think thats the right word) in the book, but in the movie it was quite drawn out. And they kissed the first time they even talked in the movie. As someone else said, it was like Harry was just taking advantage of his sad mooping girl.

I tried reading what everyone has post but just keep getting farther and farther behind.

I thought the editing on this film was dreadful.
1) They obviously filmed SWM with the pensieve because Harry appears in the memory. Then they sliced it all up and left Harry in the memory, terrible.
2) Harry and Hermione in Dolorous' office-cut-Dolorous-cut-Ron, Neville, Luna, Ginny, and the Inqisition Squad there... I knew what was supposed to happen and I was shaking my head...what?
It seems they just shoved stuff anywhere. I have the feeling now that they rushed the editing. I hope there will be a directors cut that's about 3 hours long, maybe I won't think it is so awful.

As for personal movie preferences which may cloud my judgement on the movie.
1) I don't like movies that are shot too tight on the characters, too many close-ups it makes it feel claustrophobic.
2) What was that handicam jumping bit when Harry was running into the atrium after Bella? It made me sea sick.
3) I personally hate movies that are too darkly lit, because I am a visual learner I want to see everything.
4) I thought most of the sets were tiny especially Grimauld Place (the hall was barely wide enough for one person, is this common in row houses?) and the Gryffindor common room and DD office, (was it just me or were they smaller than before?)
5) I also found the background sounds annoying i.e. the music playing in the common room, and the meowing of the kittens in Umbridge's office (although this was a great bit of merriment for the audience I was watching with), it seemed too loud and covered part of the dialogue, or was that just me.
6) The CG/SE were not good the DE/Order colored smoke/sand reminded me of the "Charmed" episode when Phoebe gets mummified, when that demon is vanquished he goes up in a puff of sand. And Dumbledore leaving his office with Fawkes looked just like when Cole vanquishes a demon. My brain was really confused... I don't think WB put enough money in the Special effects budget as usual.

Our midnight show audience was great, I think it was full of Snape/Rickman lovers. When we first saw him at dinner and Dolorous does her first "hmm" the look on his face was priceless, the entire theater laughed. Rickman was as usual wonderful, putting so much into it with just his facial expressions. When Umbridge is inspecting his class--the best (huge laugh)!!!

We all also laughed at the kissing scene, talk about cheesy!! The mistletoe starts to grow and bloom. I would have rather had more of anything than this drawn out awful kissing, jeez it was longer than SWM. One bad thing that happened though was my favorite Hermione line ever got laughed over because of what Ron says just before it. Ron says something like "no one can feel all of that, they'd explode" and Hermione says "Ron you have the emotional range of a teaspoon."

I laughed out loud at the barman in the Hogshead when I first heard the goat, then it shows him chasing it out....can you spell Aberforth?...hahahaha

I though Ginny's reducto spells were amazing and the looks on Fred and George's faces when she did it like "Oops, we better not mess with her anymore". Then in the HoP she does it again and Harry yells "Run". Great!!! I think this might be a forshadowing of how powerful a witch she will be. I wish they would have shown her "Bat Bogey Hex", I can't really picture it in my mind.

I like most other people I thought the girl who played Luna did it perfectly with the dialog she was given. I would have liked to have seen more of Dame Maggie Smith (or at least seen her standing up to Umbridge.) More of Tonks and Bella, as well.

Gambon as usual was dreadful. Too frantic, not Dumbledorish enough for me, his first scene he comes rushing into the Wizengamot courtroom. The Dumbledore in my head never rushes, much to stately for that.

Harry hands the prophesy over to Lucius, rediculous!!! And what part of "black curtain" sounds like "watery see-though smokey thing"?

I guess I just go to the movies to see what gets left out, what I can subtract from my theories. Anyway I won't see this movie again unless there is a directors cut DVD, or my daughter wants me to get it from Netflix.

Ooops too long, sorry:grumble:
Jeez do you like to complain. :lol: Gambdon awful? Cmon he had one of the best performances in the movie which is saying something because many of the actors and actresses did a great job.

No JKR does not approve anything in the movie, at least i don't belive she does. I think she offers guidence and leaves it up to the big shots to take it or not. Like what happend with Kreature.

If that is true, then there are people on the thread that are saying it's all been cleared up since it's in the movie. Does it matter whether he dies because he fell through the veil or was dead before he fell through it?

MrSleepyHead--I appreciated your comments on the acting in the movie. It put things into perspective for me. I was upset with Emma's acting in the begining, but I like the comment that you said about the "time" they had. It definately makes sense. I agree with all of your assements on the acting. I to was hoping to see more of Ginny all though I knew going into it that the moments she shone in the book were not going to be in the movie so my hopes were not high. Evanna blew me away with her perfromance.

I also really appreciated Lucius Malfoy. He nailed the character to a tea. He was sleak, smooth, and eerily evil. Bella was perfect, better than what I imagined of her.

I think my biggest complaint would go to the screen time that Filch got. The waiting outside the RoR door was just awakward to me. I know things like that were meant for comic relief, but I really think we had enough with Luna, the twins and even the trio at times.

Does anyone remember if they flashed a prophet saying how the DEs had been rounded up and sent to Azkaban? I mean it is kind of essential to the next movie in why Draco becomes a DE, but I don't remember whether or not it was mentioned in this movie.

That was a really good scene. I knew it was coming and I still jumped - they just came out of nowhere. It was very creepy. They used a similar effect to POA with the pulling misty look - like something being drawn out of them. I'm not really fond of that effect myself, but I guess it would make it more clear to people who haven't read the book what the dementors do.

I love the misty mummy effect where they glide in the form of black sand.

I really liked the scene. I found the dementors to be better than they were in PoA. One of them just popped up out of nowhere and slammed Harry into the wall by his neck. It made me jump. I thought the scene was pretty cool.

No way, the Demetors in PoA were much cooler. Anyway, OotP rocked!

The movie sounds good. I hope to talk about it once CoS reopens. YES, COS IS CLOSING IN 9 1/2 HOURS! http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=107794

1) They obviously filmed SWM with the pensieve because Harry appears in the memory. Then they sliced it all up and left Harry in the memory, terrible.

This isn't a mistake, because we see Snape himself inside Harry's memories when he invades his mind. He comes up behind Harry when he's looking at his parents in the Mirror of Erised, and we also see him standing in the hall when Harry hugs Sirius ("I want to vomit").

If that is true, then there are people on the thread that are saying it's all been cleared up since it's in the movie. Does it matter whether he dies because he fell through the veil or was dead before he fell through it?

I dont think it does. I mean, its the director's choice right?

The other thing was the kiss. It was ambiguous(think thats the right word) in the book, but in the movie it was quite drawn out. And they kissed the first time they even talked in the movie. As someone else said, it was like Harry was just taking advantage of his sad mooping girl.

They could have developed Harry and Cho's releationship a litte more. It felt very rushed and almost awkard cause they didn't do much together at all. Though I absoluty loved the way Ginny responded every time Cho was mentiond. They are setting that up very well for HBP.

They could have developed Harry and Cho's releationship a litte more. It felt very rushed and almost awkard cause they didn't do much together at all. Though I absoluty loved the way Ginny responded every time Cho was mentiond. They are setting that up very well for HBP.

Oooh you gotta love the foreshadowing! :lol:

I thought the editing on this film was dreadful.
1) They obviously filmed SWM with the pensieve because Harry appears in the memory. Then they sliced it all up and left Harry in the memory, terrible.
2) Harry and Hermione in Dolorous' office-cut-Dolorous-cut-Ron, Neville, Luna, Ginny, and the Inqisition Squad there... I knew what was supposed to happen and I was shaking my head...what?
It seems they just shoved stuff anywhere. I have the feeling now that they rushed the editing. I hope there will be a directors cut that's about 3 hours long, maybe I won't think it is so awful.

Yes! Ah! What! There was one line in Umbridge's office, from Draco I think, about why the 3 of them were there, but it was like "caught this one trying to help the Weasley girl" or something. I think it only explained why Neville and Ginny were there, and they didn't say if they were trying to break into her office, or why, or, if they were, how they knew the Trio was there, and....:grumble:

Also, was the Trio trying to contact Sirius, or were they going to go through the Floo Network to the Ministry? It wasn't clear, and could go either way because of Kreacher's non-betrayal.

Our midnight show audience was great,

Weird quote, sorry, but mine too. I love midnight showings; everyone gets so in to it. I think Aberforth and his goat may well have gotten the biggest cheer of all; I was so proud. :):love:

I agree on the DoM Order/DE battle, too. The smoke thing was weird:no: and was completely different than Fred and George's apparation (which made me jump about a foot in the air, btw). I really didn't like it at all, even though it looked cool, because it took away from the spells and made it seem like the Order and DE's are like...a whole different species, or using this different...I don't know how to explain it. That and the Dumbledore/LV fight (to a lesser extent) were more Hollywood-style "magic," rather than HP magic, which frustrated me to no end. :td:

Meh. I really didn't like Order!Travel and DeathEater!Travel at all. (Can you tell I go to ff.net? :p Lol.)

Edit: Oh, one other thing that I didn't mention before because I didn't have any allies :). I didn't like the veil at all either! For one thing, I saw it as much wider (though just as tall) and with a CURTAIN. Like an actual, raggety, black, fluttering, ominous, menacing CURTAIN! Come on! What was that...thing?! It was all....white. I mean...it was WHITE. *disgust*. I'm sorry, I do know that most people quite liked the veil but...I didn't. At all.

The two things I didn't like. One was Duds, was it just me or was he acting like an amateur chav. I was wondering why he was wearing those baggy shorts and gold chain. I always thought Duds dressed nicely in a collar shirt and khakis to make his parents think he's perfect.

My impression was that Dudley dresses up for "special occasions" - like Aunt Marge visiting or the dinner party to keep Petunia happy. I think he just dresses like the other kids normally.

I did notice that his acting was very similar to Jim Dale's audio version of the book for that scene. I wonder if that was deliberate? It sounds rather silly, but it makes sense in a way because he's mocking Harry.

The other thing was the kiss. It was ambiguous(think thats the right word) in the book, but in the movie it was quite drawn out. And they kissed the first time they even talked in the movie. As someone else said, it was like Harry was just taking advantage of his sad mooping girl.

I thought that was very realistic myself. The book didn't show the kiss at all, but it was implied that it was more than just a simple kiss. I think that is something that could have been extended a bit more though. It's implied that there's something going on between them before the kiss, but they don't really show it.

No way, the Demetors in PoA were much cooler. Anyway, OotP rocked!

I agree the Dementors in PoA looked better.

This isn't a mistake, because we see Snape himself inside Harry's memories when he invades his mind. He comes up behind Harry when he's looking at his parents in the Mirror of Erised, and we also see him standing in the hall when Harry hugs Sirius ("I want to vomit").

It lasted too long IMO. Harry should have been snooping in the pensive instead of invading Snape's mind that long. Snape is a very very skilled Occlumens. He would have been able to throw Harry out his mind the moment he performed the spell.

What did you guys think about Tom and Dumbledore's duel?
I was just disappointed they did the Priori Incantatem whip-cream-effect, thing. Techinically, that's only supposed to happen to our favorite wizard.

Kreature was one sexy house elf.
I LOVED him.

No JKR does not approve anything in the movie, at least i don't belive she does. I think she offers guidence and leaves it up to the big shots to take it or not. Like what happend with Kreature.

Sorry, I'm afraid you are mistaken. She has THE final say on the movies. They had asked her about cutting Kreature out completely, and she told them they would be stuck later on.

On the interview she did earlier this week, she specifically said she turned down movie offers because she would not have complete final say on the screenplay. (And the character rights.)

I thought the set design for Grimmauld Place was really cool, when I was reading I had a hard time picturing it, lack of imagination I suppose, I was thinking of like a mansion of sorts... Shame that they couldn't linger for a bit and show us more stuff that happend at Grimmauld Place during the summer and holidays. The same goes for St. Mungos, I thought it would've been really cool if they visited Arthur like in the novel...

I agree the Dementors in PoA looked better.
I agree, but the scene still looked really menacing! Or at least thats what I saw...

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I agree on the DoM Order/DE battle, too. The smoke thing was weird:no: and was completely different than Fred and George's apparation (which made me jump about a foot in the air, btw). I really didn't like it at all, even though it looked cool, because it took away from the spells and made it seem like the Order and DE's are like...a whole different species, or using this different...I don't know how to explain it. That and the Dumbledore/LV fight (to a lesser extent) were more Hollywood-style "magic," rather than HP magic, which frustrated me to no end. :td:

What what? You didn't like The duel between DD and Voldy:scared: :eeep:

I went to the midnight show! Got dressed up too. It was a lot of fun.

But onto the movie: I actually really enjoyed it, I've seen it twice in 24 hours (ha). They cut a ton out but c'mon, that's to be expected. What I didn't like was how they completley cut out Kreacher's role (I thought that was kinda vital to the book plot) and how Sirius disappeared in an instant....IDK, it just wasn't as moving as I thought it was going to be. But other than that I was really pleased with what was done.

AL_Patterson - I agree with you completely on Snape's Occlumency skills, (that scene in the book always surprised me, acutally - the "Protego" one,) but can you imagine the SWM scene being any shorter? I mean...honestly. It was ridiculous to begin with. We don't even see Lily! I think we have the tiniest glimpse of the other 3 marauders and see Snape's face for all of 5 seconds.

I hope that there's a director's cut edition or that they AT LEAST include the full scene in the extra features. It's a pretty cruicial scene, IMO, especially to Snape's character. Plus...I just want to see it. :(

Sorry, I'm afraid you are mistaken. She has THE final say on the movies. They had asked her about cutting Kreature out completely, and she told them they would be stuck later on.

On the interview she did earlier this week, she specifically said she turned down movie offers because she would not have complete final say on the screenplay. (And the character rights.)

I got the impression that she had influence and major influence, but that she didn't have the final say on the screen play, but i'll have go back and listen to that inteview to remember what she said.

I agree, but the scene still looked really menacing! Or at least thats what I saw...

Same. I jumped when the Dementors first came on screen. It was one of those suspence moments where they pop out of nowhere!

Same. I jumped when the Dementors first came on screen. It was one of those suspence moments where they pop out of nowhere!

I am so excited to see that part. Thats what I'm expecting! :)

Sorry, I'm afraid you are mistaken. She has THE final say on the movies. They had asked her about cutting Kreature out completely, and she told them they would be stuck later on.

On the interview she did earlier this week, she specifically said she turned down movie offers because she would not have complete final say on the screenplay. (And the character rights.)

So am I correct to assume that the AK was OK with JK (now that is a great tongue twister)!!!

AL_Patterson - *sheepish* Ehm, not particularly, no. I mean, it wasn't so bad, but...Voldemort didn't shoot off a single AK, for one thing. There wasn't any of the awesome dialogue from the book, and, although the effects were good, I had/have an amazing mental picture for that whole duel...it could have been much better. It could have been much longer, but I suppose that's my view on the whole movie. :)

Besides, what's with Dumbledore practically on the floor at the end of it? Where's the *The Only One He Ever Feared*?!

I don't know. It wasn't terrible, but it certainly wasn't spectacular. Not up to my expectations, I suppose. Nothing to do with the effects.

Same. I jumped when the Dementors first came on screen. It was one of those suspence moments where they pop out of nowhere!

Yeah I agree and even though I knew that Harry and Dudley would surive and be unharmed i was still a nervous wreck.

AL_Patterson - *sheepish* Ehm, not particularly, no. I mean, it wasn't so bad, but...Voldemort didn't shoot off a single AK, for one thing. There wasn't any of the awesome dialogue from the book, and, although the effects were good, I had/have an amazing mental picture for that whole duel...it could have been much better. It could have been much longer, but I suppose that's my view on the whole movie. :)

Besides, what's with Dumbledore practically on the floor at the end of it? Where's the *The Only One He Ever Feared*?!

I don't know. It wasn't terrible, but it certainly wasn't spectacular. Not up to my expectations, I suppose. Nothing to do with the effects.

Dumbledore was on the floor? Weird...:shrug:

What did you guys think about Tom and Dumbledore's duel?
I was just disappointed they did the Priori Incantatem whip-cream-effect, thing. Techinically, that's only supposed to happen to our favorite wizard.

Kreature was one sexy house elf.
I LOVED him.

LOL

I love the whip cream effect! lol I thought the duel was cool but should have lasted a little longer. I liked Voldy and DD using fire and water to duel. The fire dragon and the ball of water were both awesome.

AL_Patterson - I agree with you completely on Snape's Occlumency skills, (that scene in the book always surprised me, acutally - the "Protego" one,) but can you imagine the SWM scene being any shorter? I mean...honestly. It was ridiculous to begin with. We don't even see Lily! I think we have the tiniest glimpse of the other 3 marauders and see Snape's face for all of 5 seconds.

I hope that there's a director's cut edition or that they AT LEAST include the full scene in the extra features. It's a pretty cruicial scene, IMO, especially to Snape's character. Plus...I just want to see it. :(

Completely agree. I really hope there's an extended edition. I was hoping the SWM scene would be longer as well.

AL_Patterson - *sheepish* Ehm, not particularly, no. I mean, it wasn't so bad, but...Voldemort didn't shoot off a single AK, for one thing. There wasn't any of the awesome dialogue from the book, and, although the effects were good, I had/have an amazing mental picture for that whole duel...it could have been much better. It could have been much longer, but I suppose that's my view on the whole movie. :)

Besides, what's with Dumbledore practically on the floor at the end of it? Where's the *The Only One He Ever Feared*?!

I don't know. It wasn't terrible, but it certainly wasn't spectacular. Not up to my expectations, I suppose. Nothing to do with the effects.

I agree with the last part. I hated Dumbledore down on the floor. :grumble:

LOL

I love the whip cream effect! lol I thought the duel was cool but should have lasted a little longer. I liked Voldy and DD using fire and water to duel. The fire dragon and the ball of water were both awesome.



Completely agree. I really hope there's an extended edition. I was hoping the SWM scene would be longer as well.



I agree with the last part. I hated Dumbledore down on the floor. :grumble:

Why was Dumbledore on the floor?

lil_Snuffles - Volders made all the windows in the Ministry break (you saw that part in all the trailers, I'm sure,) and then redirects it all towards Dumbles and Harry. Dumbles puts up a shield which turns it into sand and ends up, again, practically on the floor. :grumble: I'm really angry about that; I hate it.

Then again, the possession immediately follows it, and that's incredible. :)

AL - ...Whipped cream effect? ...Is that when Dumbledore tries to drown Voldemort? ......???

Saw it last night. I liked it but was not pleased with a some things. I went in knowning that there would be a lot of scenes from the book that would not be here but some particular changes did not feel right -

1. Cho being the sneak. Thats fine, it was a simple and effective way of not having have to have another character and not gaving to go into the whole Harry/Cho relationship and her insecurities in detail. But then they revealed that she only sneaked due to the veritaserum and Harry heard it. So it would have been good to see him close things of with Cho cleanly, since he now knows that she had no choice. I doubt that they would bring it up in Movie 6.

2. Not enough of the Weasley twins or the mention of Harry giving away his Triwizard winnings to them. I felt that formed a good bond between Harry and the twins in the books and it was ignored here. Likewise, I could not see the bond between Harry and the Wealey parents, particularly Molly.

3. Everyone had to use the cursed quills. Takes away the highlight from Harry.

4. Ginny still looked like she was pining for Harry. Sure, we know that she always liked him but in the books she moved on to give Harry his space and was shown to be popular on her own right, always having a BF. Hopefully movie 6 will rectify this. Ginny is HAPPENING, not just the little sister who never got over her brother's best friend. Sole movie goers won't buy the seriousness of their relationship and probaply would prefer Harry and HErmione.

5. Not enough stuff with the ORder, the book had a lot with them before they went off to school.

6. No explanation on the role that Neville might played if Voldemort had interpreted things differently with TRelawwny's words to Dumbledore.

All in all, I enjoyed the movie for what it was but if you read the book, there is no way you would have been satisfied with it. Still, cool to see a lot of the scenes and the scpecial effects were great. Acting of the veteran cast members were superb as was the girl who played Luna and the lady who played Umbridge.

POA is still my fav movie, but OOTP and GOB tied for my fav books so am going to be loyal by watching it again. A second viewing might be more enjoyable too.

I tried reading what everyone has post but just keep getting farther and farther behind.

I thought the editing on this film was dreadful.
1) They obviously filmed SWM with the pensieve because Harry appears in the memory. Then they sliced it all up and left Harry in the memory, terrible.
2) Harry and Hermione in Dolorous' office-cut-Dolorous-cut-Ron, Neville, Luna, Ginny, and the Inqisition Squad there... I knew what was supposed to happen and I was shaking my head...what?
It seems they just shoved stuff anywhere. I have the feeling now that they rushed the editing. I hope there will be a directors cut that's about 3 hours long, maybe I won't think it is so awful.



I absolutely agree. I think the story was very disjointed, and can't understand how someone who hasn't read the books could possibly follow what was going on. It seemed like they said hey! let's show hagrid! ok now let's show umbridge inspecting! ok now we have to show this! without any transitions or logical sequence. i still liked it because i obviously knew what was going on, but I think they tried to do too much too quickly.

Some of my thoughts on the actors. I dont know some of the names so I'll just post the characters name.


Dan/Harry: He really improved. In the first two movies he was my least favorite of the trio. I thought he was the worst actor of the group. He slowly got better but was still average but in OotP he shocked me with a very good performance. I'm sure it was hard to portray the OotP Harry because he is so much more different in the book than in the previous ones.

Emma/Hermione: I think she was decent again. I dont tend to dislike her performances in the movies but I dont love them either. Its not how shes used either. The fact that her voice shakes almost always when she talks gets on my nerves. Better than the cracking voice in GoF though. lol

Ron/Rupert: I havent really seen him act serious in that many scenes. He is used a lot for comic relief and he has some good lines that get me too laugh. In the past he has always been wimpy or funny. He did a good job in this movie though he didnt play much of a big role.

Gambdon/Dumbledore: WOW. I was truly amazed by his performance and I never saw it coming. I disliked the way Dumbledore was used in PoA and GoF. But he was terrific in OotP. He played Dumbledore exactly as he was in the book. The fight and aftermath of Voldemort possessing Harry was really good. I liked how concerned and frightened Dumbledore looks when he sees whats happening to Harry and he cant stop it. Awesome acting! But in HBP hes going to need to lighten up a bit...

Umbridge: The lady who played her did a good job. I so hated her! lol. She was very annoying, almost as annoying as she was in the books. The DATDA teachers/acters have been great for the most part. Lockhart, Lupin, Moody & Umbridge. The actors of those characters were great.

Oldman/Sirius: I liked him more than before. I didnt come close to crying when he died because he was hardly likeable in the previous movies but he did a good job.

Luna: I am officialy a Luna fan because of the movie. The actress did such an awesome performance and was exactly as Luna is in the books.

Snape: He was like he was in the other movies. But we didnt see him all that much. There were the two Occlumency scenes and the one where he smacks Ron as has been some sort of tradition now in the HP movies.

Neville: mmm...decent enough. Not a lot to say about him.

Ginny: She didnt say much as I recall but they definitley showed that she was a really good witch and had some serious skills. The amazing reducto curse.

Lucius: I really like the actor. He is always an evil character in whatever movie he is in.

Bellatrix: She is just insane. Crazy. Wacko.

Voldy: Only had a short little appearence but hey it was an awesome fight. No Voldy in HBP though :(

I saw the midnight show and it was awesome, yes, it is better then all the four previous movies, the director is really good, film is very dedicated to book, Harry Potter like never before, good humor, great action and even better special effects.

I went to the midnight show! Got dressed up too. It was a lot of fun.

But onto the movie: I actually really enjoyed it, I've seen it twice in 24 hours (ha). They cut a ton out but c'mon, that's to be expected. What I didn't like was how they completley cut out Kreacher's role (I thought that was kinda vital to the book plot) and how Sirius disappeared in an instant....IDK, it just wasn't as moving as I thought it was going to be. But other than that I was really pleased with what was done.I have to say I was highly disappointed that they didn't have Kreatcher being the one to betray Harry, and that they didn't sum up that Umbridge sent the Dementors to Little Winging. I thought that was the most unexpected part of the book.

I'm just back from the cinema, and I loveitloveitloveit! Yikes! What a great movie! Yes, it deviates from the book, but so what? As a film it works just wonderful! The sets - magnificent! The score - excellent! The actors - splendid! The pace, the humour, the darkness, the effects, I'm enchanted :love:

I must say I was so glad I made the midnight showing, it was absolutely spectacular!

Now I have to go and see it in Imax. :p

Did they have the scene where Harry and the gang are looking through the stuff at Grimmauld Place and they find what is believed to be Slytherin's locket?

lil_Snuffles - Volders made all the windows in the Ministry break (you saw that part in all the trailers, I'm sure,) and then redirects it all towards Dumbles and Harry. Dumbles puts up a shield which turns it into sand and ends up, again, practically on the floor. :grumble: I'm really angry about that; I hate it.

Then again, the possession immediately follows it, and that's incredible. :)

AL - ...Whipped cream effect? ...Is that when Dumbledore tries to drown Voldemort? ......???

Turns the glass in to sand? How ironic (because in a hour glass, theres sand haha). who made the glass break? Voldemort?

Did they have the scene where Harry and the gang are looking through the stuff at Grimmauld Place and they find what is believed to be Slytherin's locket?
Nope, unfortunately not. =(

I'm just back from the cinema, and I loveitloveitloveit! Yikes! What a great movie! Yes, it deviates from the book, but so what? As a film it works just wonderful! The sets - magnificent! The score - excellent! The actors - splendid! The pace, the humour, the darkness, the effects, I'm enchanted :love:
Good to see someone else liked it about as much as me. I found it to be funny too. There some funny lines and scenes. It was unexpected. I thought the movie was going to be all serious and less humor than ever but I laughed more than I had in any of the previous movies.

Turns the glass in to sand? How ironic (because in a hour glass, theres sand haha). who made the glass break? Voldemort?
Yep.

Good to see someone else liked it about as much as me. I found it to be funny too. There some funny lines and scenes. It was unexpected. I thought the movie was going to be all serious and less humor than ever but I laughed more than I had in any of the previous movies.

I also laughed quite a bit. When Umbridge hand out the DADA books that look like Dick and Jane readers, I was hysterical!!

Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know this deviates a bit, but - ALL of the IMAX showings are COMPLETELY sold out in my area!!! I'M SO ANGRY! I tried to go to midnight at IMAX; got online maybe 7, 8 hours after it was announced on mugglenet, and they were already sold out! Ridiculous!

And now they're ALL sold out. Every single showing! I asked my parents if they'd drive cross-state so I could go to an IMAX showing. They looked bemused. I was serious!

Aw, I sound petulant. But I have a right, yes? I want to see the DoM scene in 3D! What self-respecting HP-fanatic wouldn't?!

Sigh. I mean, it's just...with a normal theater being sold out, you still see the same thing at home. With IMAX...that's your only chance.

The two ways I wanted to see OotP were at midnight and in IMAX.

I'm really disappointed.

:(

Edit: Hey, I figured that I shouldn't make a pointless post, so I just wanted to say goodbye to everyone here! I'm being kicked off the computer (curses.....) and since the forums are closing in the predawn hours of tomorrow morning for me, I won't be talking to any of you until after Deathly Hallows comes out. God, I'm so scared. Happy reading! *sob*

The one scene I am dying to see the most is the Department of Mysteries. Even though everyone is saying its too short, from the trailers it looks so cool! :clap:

Well, if the locket does play into future significance (Considering it's on the cover of the UK adult edition) it'll be weird to see how they pawn it off then