Umbridge, A Death Eater?

I Remember Something About A 'Swendyl' Or Something During The Book.. I Can't Remember. And I Don't Have My Book.. Does Anyone Else Remember This? I Remember Her Saying The Slytherin Locket Was A 'S' For Her Blood Line.. So.. Was She A Death Eater? Or Her Family?

I Remember Something About A 'Swendyl' Or Something During The Book.. I Can't Remember. And I Don't Have My Book.. Does Anyone Else Remember This? I Remember Her Saying The Slytherin Locket Was A 'S' For Her Blood Line.. So.. Was She A Death Eater? Or Her Family?


I don't think so. My guess would be that her bloodline was not as pure as she would like it to be. When she got hold of the locket, she used it to present it as an old family heirloom, thus proving that she, Dolores, comes from an old and respectable wizarding family with ancient connections. Disgusting little liar, Ms Umbridge :p

She was an evil ***** but she wasn't a Death Eater by any means.

The lying cheating hag used the locket to probably diguise her own 'tainted' bloodline.

I dont think so even if she is horrible as a human being.Who thinks the locket could have been making her even worse than usual?

Who thinks the locket could have been making her even worse than usual?
Yeah very good point, It did to the others.

I dont actually think Umbridge saw voldemort in the flesh whatsoever?

"The world isn't divided into Good People and Death Eaters" - Sirius to Harry
Not a Death Eater by any means, but an evil witch certainly.

She wasn't a Death Eater, but she is evil, she doesn't strike me as someone who would follow Voldie

I would never see her as a Death Eater because she would have to wear that mask and dark clothes and we all know her color is pink.

I don't think she was a Death Eater, and regarding her being descended from the Selwyn line... that could very well be true and she's just idiotic enough to assume a random "S" on a locket means "Selwyn" (what a stuck-up brat. Ugh.) or else she's just completely raving and making it up. Both scenarios are equally pathetic, just like Umbridge!

No - she toed the company line far too much to be a DE. Voldemort didn't care for the MOM either. She was just evil.

"The world isn't divided into Good People and Death Eaters" - Sirius to Harry
Not a Death Eater by any means, but an evil witch certainly.

i agree with u 100% shes really evil and spiteful but no not a deatheater she was just trying to show off that her blood line but pure but of course we know she was lying

Umbridge likes control. I don't think she could handle being under Voldie's command.

Umbridge is just an awful bully. She never needed to become a Death Eater to carry out her rotten intentions; working at the ministry was more than enough. Her actions - direct and what she believed in - were horrible all the same. A woman willing to round up the innocent without question.. ugh.

I think she was in the same boat as Sirius' mother: She thought voldemort had the right idea, but didn't really want to join in.

And yeah, in the chapter 'The Seven Potters' Voldemort calls for 'Selwyn' and then Umbridge claims that the locket is 'Selwyn's, I made the connection when I got to the seven potters on the second read, but i'd read a thread that reminded me most pure blood families are related so I just disregarded it.

I don't think Voldemort would be able to survive 5 mins. with Umbridge! She's so annoying he probably would have cursed her!:p No, but seriously I think Harry queried that theory in book 5 because his scar hurt when she touched his hand in detention and he asked Sirius about it and Sirius said that he didn't think she was. Personally I agree.

Umbridge was not a Death Eater. She was far worse. We know who Death Eaters will follow. Umbridge however scurries under what ever protective wing she can find, it does not matter what they stand for. Her loyalties are as fragile as glass.

No, she's just an obnoxious and malicious person, who often goes too far with her job. I wonder if she's under the impression that what she's doing is right and somehow justified?

She wasn't a Death Eater herself, but I think that she was certainly a sympathizer. Besides, at the point we saw her, the Ministry was completely corrupt, and we all know that Umbridge is loyal to her Ministry no matter what. *disgust*

She said that the S on the locket Horcrux stood for Selwyn. In the scene where Voldemort was flying after Harry and Harry's wand shot out golden flames, Voldemort screamed for Selwyn to give him his (Selwyn's) wand. So yes, I think some members of her non-immediate family were Death Eaters.

I agree, she wasn't a DE, Voldemort would probably have killed her for being so irritating. XD

I think Umbridge was too strong willed to submit to a leader like Voldie in order to become a death eater- but she was about as evil as they come...

Shouldn't she not have been able to perform magic properly while wearing the locket?

I think Umbridge was too strong willed to submit to a leader like Voldie in order to become a death eater- but she was about as evil as they come...

That's most certainly the truth.

I really think that the locket had a detrimental effect on Umbridge's personality. I mean she was always evil...but don't you think that the locket didn't help?

I don't think Umbridge possibly could have been a DE. If she was, Voldemort would've probably noticed the locket and wondered how it had made it into her hands instead of being in the cave. On that note, it kind of dissapoints me that Voldy never got to read the note Regulus left for him. I think it would've been a nice shock to think someone he either trusted (enough to use his elf for something so important) greatly, or someone he thought to be too stupid to realize what was really going on discovered his secret.

I wish that Umbridge had something more then a "stupify" spell casted at her. I don't recall hearing anything about her after that.

I wish that Umbridge had something more then a "stupify" spell casted at her. I don't recall hearing anything about her after that.

I believe "crucio" came to my mind.

Voldemort would've probably noticed the locket and wondered how it had made it into her hands instead of being in the cave.
I would of loved to have seen her bump into Voldemort while wearing that locket - think crucio would come to his mind at that point as well :)

She certainly knew who was pulling the strings. She was a willing collaborator but not a Death Eater. In the end, she was just as bad, only without the tatoo.

I think that she was definitely not a DE- she would not have been able to survive Voldemort being in control. I always felt that while she was "Under-Secretary" she definitely ruled the roost with the Minister...she would not have had the same position if she was a DE. Besides the fact that Bellatrix would not have allowed another woman that close to Voldemort...LOL

Only if the minister ordered her to become one.

She was actually much worse than a Death Eater. Her beliefs and activities were along much the same lines but were cloaked by the respectability of the ministry. She certainly showed the same arrogance and disdain towards the non-magical and non-humans. If anyone has ever wondered how a typical everyday normal German could kiss their kids and spouse goodbye and then head off for a hard days work at the concentration camp, Umbridge is a good example. Registering half-muggles for the "greater good" isn't far different than the registration and deportation of the Jews in 1940's Europe.

Luckily JK has now said its Azkaban for her :D
Yay!

Umbridge definetly wasn't a Death Eater. Her role in the books was to show that you don't have to be under Voldemort's direct orders to be evil, and that most manifestations of evil come from where you'd least expect.

I thought it just represented her ignorance. I think she just liked the locket, and took it as a bribe, having no idea what it was. Because of the S she could use it as a conversation piece, to remind people of a family name and her pure blood status.

I think that she was a death eater. if any of you go back and read the last paragraph of chapter 4 The Seven Potter after Harrys wand break Lucius wand LV says selwyn give me your wand and then in the MOM umbridge says that her last name is selwyn.

I think that she was a death eater. if any of you go back and read the last paragraph of chapter 4 The Seven Potter after Harrys wand break Lucius wand LV says selwyn give me your wand and then in the MOM umbridge says that her last name is selwyn.

Actual she was just saying that she was related to the Selwyn Family, in what way she did not say. She was just boasting about being related to obviously a respectable pureblood family. She's probably also got ties to the Weasleys but she never boast about that.

I think she was just real a bad evil person. As Sirius said in GOF the world is not made up of Death Eaters and Good people. Look at Sirius's parents even he says they weren't death eaters but they probably weren't too kind of people to anyone but respectable pureblood families.

simply lying about being related to the Selwyn family, as a means to bolster her claim to blood purity and to keep her job.

Should have taken some of her own advice. "I must not tell lies" indeed.

Sirius Black said it best: "The world is not divided into good people and Death Eaters."

Jo said in the recent Bloomsbury webchat that Umbridge was a nasty piece of work, and that the locket would have helped rather than hindered her. But she never said anything remotely close to "Umbridge is a Death Eater," and as all evidence in the books is against it, I'd say she's no Death Eater. Just a toad-faced old hag with serious ethnicity issues.

I don't think she could be. Their primary colour is black. She's more PINK!!

I also think that she was just plain crude and cruel and horrible, but not a Death Eater. It doesn't fit with her. She's inventive and manipulative, but she was afraid when faced by a load of Centaurs. I don't think she has the vindictiveness, much though I dislike her.

She was actually much worse than a Death Eater. Her beliefs and activities were along much the same lines but were cloaked by the respectability of the ministry. She certainly showed the same arrogance and disdain towards the non-magical and non-humans. If anyone has ever wondered how a typical everyday normal German could kiss their kids and spouse goodbye and then head off for a hard days work at the concentration camp, Umbridge is a good example. Registering half-muggles for the "greater good" isn't far different than the registration and deportation of the Jews in 1940's Europe.

Yes, and I found her scarier than Voldemort because more realistic, having known a few people with a similar modus operandi.

Since she isn't a DE, we're all free to imagine her as the villain of a sequel.:)

Nah... she wasnt a death eater but definitely a nasty woman.
I also think that her "evilness" increased with the locket. She always had those purity ideas but i think they increased when she found the locket.

Im glad she is in prision.. she SOO deserves it.

I agree with most of you in thinking that while the woman is incredibly evil (definitely on par with the level of Death Eater evilness), I doubt her personality really fits the bill to be a DE.

However, one question is to be raised: Death Eaters (Voldy himself actually, accompanied by a squad of DEs and it is mentioned that the DEs probably moved his body) killed Mad-Eye Moody and following his death Dolores had possession of his magical eye...hmm?

The toad ?

No. I wonder what would have happened if she had hung on to the locket.

On the other hand, how did she acquire the Madeye Moody's eye ?

The "eye" is curious, but I think after the MoM fell the line between the true DE's and their willing supporters at the MoM was quite blurred. The DE's let her run her little department because they knew she truly believed in what she was doing. She might have remembered the "eye" and requested it to moniter her employees after she heard the DE's had recovered Mad-Eye's body.
She seems to me to be the best example of a witch or wizard who thought that the DE's had the right ideas, but who didn't have the stomache or will to join them and fight for that cause.

I think she was just proud to fake being a pureblood, she was never I death eater I believe tho equally evil!

As others have pointed out, Umbridge was proud of her relation to the Selwyn family and bragged about having a Selwyn family heirloom (the locket), and a DE named Selwyn was chosen to chase Harry when he left the Dursley's. I posted this in another Umbridge thread... I think it's highly likely that while not being a DE herself, Umbridge was probably very supportive of their cause, and hated Harry even more than a normal supportive Ministry employee would have because of it. I wouldn't even be shocked if she knew of Voldemort's return and just used her position as highly trusted Ministry employee to keep it from being known as true, under the guise of being the Minister's biggest supporter.

I don't think she'd taken much convincing, to change?

That was what I found highly curious as well -- Umbridge being the one with Mad-Eye's magical eye. I was thinking to myself when I read it, "I thought she wasn't supposed to be a Death Eater!"
Because that's really suspicious.

I wanted to see her carted off to Azkaban. I wanted to hear that she'd been soul-sucked by a Dementor.

I don't think she was a Death Eater. However the evidence does point to the fact that she was a very misguided person and a stubborn one at that. She was blind and wanted power whatever the cost. She was loking after herself the way she thought was best.

Okay...the whole 'S' standing for some family name...I think she just made that up, or just wanted to think that she had some importance.

And although in Book 5 she was EXTREMELY nasty...She actually became evil in Deathly Hallows. I think it might have been the locket that somewhat influenced her mind and what she was doing to all of the Muggle-Borns. She's still not a very nice person at all, but she seems to have changed so much since Order of the Phoenix, there has to be some sort of explanation for that...

Yes, the Selwyn locket is mentioned before. Voldemort orders a Death Eater named Selwyn in the exit from Privet Drive in DH, and L. Malfoy tells the other DEs to leave Selwyn as the Dark Lord does not care for his injuries if the prophecy is lost in the DoM in OotP, if I'm not mistaken.

But I don't think Umbridge is a Death Eater. She just liked the locket, and since the Muggle-borns were in such a rough spot, she wanted to use it to her advantage, trying to prove how pure her blood is, regardless of how pure it actually is. Umbridge couldn't be a DE, she would want to control Voldemort, and that just wouldn't work out.

OK,the question hit me in a very different manner of what is already posted here.
Why didn't she became a death eater when she was evil enough and blood caring enough to be one.
Death eaters needed not to be pure bloods,half bloods were taken in too.Or was she Muggle born and this stopped her .
Or she was never interested,she strikes me as the death eater type.

Ok, nobody knows how much I suspect Umbridge as being a Death Eater. First she had Moody's eye, second she deffinitly is extreamly evil(not as evil as Voldemort of course, and third she is half-blood hater and a muggle-born hater. There's not much good in that woman or monster if you ask me. I say that there's a 99.9% chance that she is one.

Umbridge, after sending two dementors to 15 yr old Harry, voted him guilty in his trial for using a patronus charm while underage. If he didn't know how to make a patronus, he and his cousin would have had their souls sucked out. The only thing that saved them was Harry's making the patronus. She isn't just evil, she's malevolent, and in her own way is as bad as LV. I don't know if Azkaban, now free of dementors, is enough punishment for this despicable woman. I hope she has nightmares about centaurs for the rest of her life.

From Montse -OK,the question hit me in a very different manner of what is already posted here. Why didn't she became a death eater when she was evil enough and blood caring enough to be one. Death eaters needed not to be pure bloods,half bloods were taken in too. Or was she Muggle born and this stopped her. Or she was never interested, she strikes me as the death eater type.

As a few others have mentioned, she's a power freak, she would never have taken orders from LV. She wanted to be in charge. She wanted to make the rules, and the laws, and enforce them as she saw fit.



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Umbridge, after sending two dementors to 15 yr old Harry, voted him guilty in his trial for using a patronus charm while underage. If he didn't know how to make a patronus, he and his cousin would have had their souls sucked out. The only thing that saved them was Harry's making the patronus. She isn't just evil, she's malevolent, and in her own way is as bad as LV. I don't know if Azkaban, now free of dementors, is enough punishment for this despicable woman. I hope she has nightmares about centaurs for the rest of her life.
I know and I agree.But why do you think she never became a death eater,since she was evil enough to be one.

I know and I agree.But why do you think she never became a death eater,since she was evil enough to be one.
What if she was before Voldemort lost his body? Just she never went back for fear of being put into Askaban or killed by Voldemort haters.

What if she was before Voldemort lost his body? Just she never went back for fear of being put into Azkaban or killed by Voldemort haters.
No, I don't see her as that type.Plus if she had not returned out of fear,Voldy would have punished her severely.And would have not allowed her to work in the ministry later on.Plus,Snape would have known about her.
I think she was even worst than a death eater.At least those ones were brave enough to admit the scum they were.She was a double face toad,IMO.

I strongly don't think she's a death eater.
She's just a sadistic witch who takes pleasure in torturing people, especially Muggles & children

I think she was worse than a death eater. With the DE you know he's the enemy and you can try to be prepared. But with Umbridge, it's worse; because she's on the side of the Light and she's worse than any DE. She also falls very easily into their plans in the Ministry once Voldemort takes over because his plans are very much in tune with her thinking. She's sadistic and mean and quite horrible IMO.

I don't think she could be. Their primary colour is black. She's more PINK!!


My thought exactly!

No, I doubt she was a DE, mainly because she was Evil, but would never stand for being one of the bottom members of ANY organization. She would have gotten killed doing something stupid to make Voldemort happy.

i dont think she's a death eater too.. yes she's very very evil but she's also coward..and yes she's worse than the death eathers or even voldemort.. though she may be evil enough, but her courage is not enough to join the inner circle of voldemorts death eaters.. i really hate her... hehe

I don't think she is a Death Eater. She is evilish, but I dont' think she has what it takes to be a Death Eater. She's a suck-up to the ministry and a power freak. She wouldn't be able to take orders from Voldimort. Maybe if it was going give her more power over people. If its not going to help her in anyway, then she wouldn't do it. uhhg....I hate her....

I don't think Umbridge is a DE, even if she has the perfect profile to be one. She has too much pride to follow anybody, and moreover she loves power too much to share it. She's pure evil and works for her own account.

Umbridge is'nt a DE, she's got a Mach personality, to her the end justifies the means, she believes what she is doing is right, and she will do anything to have her own way, she manipulates people without any reguard for their feelings or the damage she is doing.

I don't think that she was a Death Eater. She's too busy sucking up to Ministry members to devote her time to the Dark Lord, if you know what I mean?

She believes strongly in her blood purity and she discriminates against half breeds, but I don't think she'd go as far as to joining the Dark Lord.

Well, as I said, I doubt she was, but I think she would join them in an instant if she thought it would help her political agenda.

She was pure evil, but I don't think she ever got to that stage. She was a very useful tool for Voldemort, but I doubt that she ever met him in person and I definitely don't think she got the Dark Mark, although she was working alongside the Death Eaters and could have easily have joined their ranks. If she thought it would help her advance in the world then I think she would have risen to the opportunity.

I think she was a vile, cruel, evil women. But she hated anyone who did anything out of line. I think she hated the dark arts, and anything remotely dangerous, like when Hagrid tought the class about thestrals, him being a half breed..any kind of half breed.

Either way she is horrid enough to be one.

Sirius said the exact words that I would use to answer this question: The world isn't split into good people and Death Eaters. :lol: Umbridge was a very nasty woman, who had no heart, but she was never involved with Voldemort or his beliefs. She was just a particularly nasty woman who the students were unfortunate enough to land. :lol:

No i dont think she is a deatheater but she should have been because shes evil!

She certainly had the potential to be a death eater, she had no problem doing evil things to get what she wanted. The fact that she doesn't actually think she is doing anything wrong makes her even worse.

She was lieing remember? The locket was'nt really hers, she was just making up a random alibi. And remember Sirius did say that not everyone who's evil is a death eater.

Even though she is not a death eater, its a mystery how she can not be one. i mean , she has all the makings for one. She is evil , cruel , and shes also completly ugly!

I have come to the conclusion that at heart was one,only she was not brave enough to admit it.
She was not either brave enough to declare herself as one ,or fearful she would have not been accepted into the death eater circle.

IMO she must have been muggle born ,due to her need to fake her proof of pureblood status.

I'd have to go with the idea that Umbridge may have been a nasty piece of work, but she was no death eater. One of the themes in the books is that things are not usually black and white, that it isn't the death eaters vs everyone else. There were characters in the books who were baddies who not affiliated with Voldemort though they may have believed in his ideals or gone along with them when it suited their purposes. I'd say Umbridge was one of those characters.

she was definatley evil,
but not a death eater,
she just used the law to make things her way,
and just made rules at hogwarts beyond ridiculous,
like no groups larger than 3 or something like that?
nayways yeaaa

I Remember Something About A 'Swendyl' Or Something During The Book.. I Can't Remember. And I Don't Have My Book.. Does Anyone Else Remember This? I Remember Her Saying The Slytherin Locket Was A 'S' For Her Blood Line.. So.. Was She A Death Eater? Or Her Family?
I agree with what most people said. She definitely wasn't a Death Eater, but certainly quite evil. I think all she cares about is gaining power, and she will be loyal to whoever has the most power. During OotP, when Fudge was the one in control, she was his right-hand woman, sucking up to him and treating him like a god. When Voldemort gained control in DH, she eagerly and happily carried out his wish of driving out muggle-borns. In other words, if a monkey was named Dictator and Supreme Ruler, she would be right there supporting it, just so she might get a chance at some power too.

As for whether anyone with that S name was a Death Eater, who knows. It's certainly possible. However, that wasn't really her family. She stole that locket and used it so that she could pretend to be a part of a well-known pure-blood family.

Sirius said the exact words that I would use to answer this question: The world isn't split into good people and Death Eaters. :lol: Umbridge was a very nasty woman, who had no heart, but she was never involved with Voldemort or his beliefs. She was just a particularly nasty woman who the students were unfortunate enough to land. :lol:


I think that's it exactly, I love that quote from Sirius when it comes to goodness/badness of characters. :tu:

I don't think Umbridge is a DE, even if she has the perfect profile to be one. She has too much pride to follow anybody, and moreover she loves power too much to share it. She's pure evil and works for her own account.


Well, she did follow Fudge and later, Scrimgeour as her superiors at the Ministry. Definitely she did things that equal many Death Eaters' actions, IMO, torture, handing Muggleborns to the Dementors, threatening the Dementors' Kiss, sending Dementors to get people.

However, I don't think she actively sought membership because she liked to hide her evilness behind a veneer of respectability - the Ministry position- and sugary sweetness - the girlish voice and all that pink. Joining the Death Eaters would strip her of her claim that she was doing her Ministry-sanctioned duty.

Plus, I doubt Voldemort ever sought to induct her and give her a Dark Mark as her actions benefitted his schemes and his regime anyway, she had no other purpose as far as he was concerned, so why give her more information than she needed?

I think that this is a good question, i do not think that she was a death eater but she certainly could of been if she wanted.
I just think that she was a very strict and nasty women who thought she was so important and above anyone else, but i think that she got her just desserts in the end.

I Remember Something About A 'Swendyl' Or Something During The Book.. I Can't Remember. And I Don't Have My Book.. Does Anyone Else Remember This? I Remember Her Saying The Slytherin Locket Was A 'S' For Her Blood Line.. So.. Was She A Death Eater? Or Her Family?

In DH, she claimed to be related to the Selwyns. This is not true. The locket she showed to the DEs was Slytherin's locket, which she bought off Mundungus.

But either way, being related to Death Eaters does not make one a DE. Sirius is an example of this.
Umbridge (from what we know) does not have the Dark Mark, and is therefore not a DE. She only helps them.

Foul enough to be one, but I doubt it. She stood behind whoever ran the ministry.

For me she was common scum, she would definately step on anyone to get a leg up, definately NOT a deatheater but the potential, but if she was one I doubt she would last long, she would have to contend with Belatrix LeStrange. And maybe get herself killed by her... They would be in a bootlick-the-darklord contest. That would end up in a Duel.

If someone sold tickets to a LeStrange vs. Umbridge duel... I'd buy tickets to that! Better yet... I could sell tickets and rake in the Galleons!

Guys I know this is a bit out of topic... In a duel who are your picks and how many two minute rounds before its settled?

For me she was common scum, she would definately step on anyone to get a leg up, definately NOT a deatheater but the potential, but if she was one I doubt she would last long, she would have to contend with Belatrix LeStrange. And maybe get herself killed by her... They would be in a bootlick-the-darklord contest. That would end up in a Duel.

If someone sold tickets to a LeStrange vs. Umbridge duel... I'd buy tickets to that! Better yet... I could sell tickets and rake in the Galleons!

Guys I know this is a bit out of topic... In a duel who are your picks and how many two minute rounds before its settled?

I don't see LeStrange being weak enough to be disarmed by centaurs - maybe killed, if outnumbered badly enough, but not disarmed. Umbridge wouldn't last more than a few seconds against Bellatrix - unless of course Bellatrix was playing with her.

I could see Umbridge being transfigured into a literal toad, followed by the crucio and finally by being a smear on the bottom of LeStrange's boot.

Since you asked.

Umbridge is one of those people who would sell her own mother to get power. I dont think she cared about the policies of whomever was running the ministry as long as she was a senior member.

Umbridge certainly has characteristics of a Death Eater with prejudice and hatred.

No way. She just liked the power. Death Eater trait yes but the only honor for her was questioning and punishing Muggle Borns. Bellatrix Lestrange is the only female Death Eater. Narcissa Malfoy is not branded.

Umbridge is one of those people who would sell her own mother to get power. I dont think she cared about the policies of whomever was running the ministry as long as she was a senior member.

Agreed. :tu: But I think also she was just a cruel person and needed to be punishing people for something at all times. She wasn't a Death Eater, really, but she didn't mind working for them in the slightest, as long as she got her power and the chance to abuse it.

I don't think she was a Death Eater. She was definitely cruel though and would do almost anything to gain power. I think she is just power hungry and wants to be the one in charge.

Do you think Umbridge would be afraid of the Death Eaters?

Do you think Umbridge would be afraid of the Death Eaters?

I don't think she had need to be afraid of them, since they were happy to let her enforce their laws and work for them.

As Sirius said it: The world isn't split into good people and Death Eaters
I don't think Umbridge ever joined.
But had they wanted her, she would probably have been easy to get, at least after they had taken over the ministry. Some times bring out the best in some people and the worst in others. With a Dumbledore-like minister as her boss she would probably have been a bearable official.

The main reason why I think she wasn't made a DE is, that they are Voldemort's inner circle and had she met Voldy in person, he would have seen the locket and she would have been dead.

I actually think that she was just lying. She knew it was an heirloom of a pureblood and she was probably a half blood and wanted to be kept alive in the new era of wizarding so she just lied about it.

She was prejudiced and nasty, and she shared many of the same ideas as the Death Eaters, and she would have decided to join them once they were in power. Until they were in control, she would keep with the ruling party, who had people in it who shared at least some of the same ideas as the Death Eaters. Like people in Europe during WWII who were against the Nazis, but worked with them after their world was overtaken and may have shared at least some of their ideals.

I think that she was related to Death Eaters distantly. She said she was related to the Selwyns and Selwyn is a Death Eater. No, I don't think she was a Death Eater just a really really really bad person.

She was worse than a death eater IMO; it was as if she was a death eater on the Light side. She acted against those working to defeat Voldemort; it was as if, if she had a post of importance in the Ministry, that would be just fine with her and she was not really bothered about who ran the Ministry and what happened to others.

i would say that no she inst a death eater, i dont think tom would be that stupid to let her in

i dont think she was a death eater or being apart of the Selwin line! i think she was just lieing!
she may have been a muggle born! she does have means to cover her story!

She does seem to have many traits of the DEs, but I honestly never thought of Umbridge as a DE. She's simply a power hungry person who likes to be in charge.

[QUOTE=skullangel;5054059]For me she was common scum, she would definately step on anyone to get a leg up, definately NOT a deatheater but the potential, but if she was one I doubt she would last long, she would have to contend with Belatrix LeStrange. And maybe get herself killed by her... They would be in a bootlick-the-darklord contest. That would end up in a Duel.

If someone sold tickets to a LeStrange vs. Umbridge duel... I'd buy tickets to that! Better yet... I could sell tickets and rake in the Galleons!

Guys I know this is a bit out of topic... In a duel who are your picks and how many two minute rounds before its settled?[/QUOTE

I Could See That :)

Umbridge has the same prejudiced mindset as the Death Eaters but she is more of a "leader" than a "follower". Yes, some of the people who joined Voldemort did so because they were interested in his power for their own greed, but most of them were scum who would not have had the guts to do what Voldemort did to gain that power in the first place. Of course, Umbridge is no better than them because she is just as power-mad, but I see her as the kind of person who wants to make a name for herself on her own rather than through someone else because of her ridiculous ego.

Does it ever state how evil you have to be to be a Death Eater? I mean, if torturing kids, throwing people out in the street, outlawing everyone's every move, and interrogating everyone isn't evil enough, what is??

When DH was coming out, I had Umbridge pegged to go Death Eater. She definitely collaborated with them, but there is no evidence that she actually had the Dark Mark. Either way, she deserved to be thrown in jail for life. She would have been very useful to Voldemort as a spy within the ministry, like Rookwood was.

It's like what Sirius says to Harry;
"The world isn't divided into Good People and Death Eaters"

Although Umbridge is a nasty piece of work, she's not a Death Eater. Although I don't think she would mind if Harry was killed along with his friends...

Umbridge was not a Death Eater, Sirius said so to Harry Ron and Hermione. But what makes me think that she's somehow related to them that in Dh when Hermione told she likes the locket, she said its refers to the Selwyns her family. While Selwyn was a death eater. I'm not sure really .

No Umbridge was not a Death Eater, but she was just as evil as any of them...I'm glad she got exactly what she deserved at the end of the series.

She was trying to show to people that she was pure blood. Which means she most likely was not. And also no she was to a death Eater nor was her family, just that she just that purely mean. She would have been a very nice fit into Slytherin tho.

I honestly don't think that Umbridge was a Death Eater. Although she is good, actually too good with excersizing control, I think that being under the control of somebody else more powerful than her would frighten her. Without having her power, she is quite cowardly.

And besides, yes, Umbridge is a manipulative ***** but that still wouldn't make her a Death Eater. Remember what Sirius said? "The world isn't made up of good people and Death Eaters." Umbridge is just in that in-between gray part.....

Umbridge??? A Death Eater??? Do you honestly think that the Dark Lord could put up with her? No, if she ever actually met the Dark Lord, she would die. Her voice alone would make him kill her. She's a suck-up to the ministry, not Lord Voldemort.

While she may be a manipulative, evil, loathsome, disgusting, fat, frog-like, ugly, *****, she is not a Death Eater.

There is no way that Umbridge was a death eater. She was more evil, foul and loathsome than Voldemort and all his cronies put together!

There is no way that Umbridge was a death eater. She was more evil, foul and loathsome than Voldemort and all his cronies put together!

lol

I'm not sure if more, but she was a nasty piece of work.

Umbridge felat as though agreeing with Voldemort's regime and ultimately, an active participant in it would give her more authority. That woman wanted all the power she could get her hands on, she enjoyed having Hogwarts in her pink, frivolous shoes.

Lol. No she just wasnt important enought o be a Death Eater. Voldemort, whatever he was had style , image and dignity. Umbridge had none of these things.She just backed the winning horse. Sure she's "foul enough to be one" but the world isn't split into good people and Death Eaters. Death Eater have class and style. We don't even know if Umbridge was really a pure-blood.
Death Eaters have class. Umbridge is just portrayed as plain mean.

We all knew it stood for SLYTHERIN. But she didnt know that. someone should kill Umbridge for possessing a Horcrux and making harry's job harder. TO AZKABAN WITH HER!

I don't think Azkaban would be punishment enough for that foul creature. She has no happiness whatsoever in that so-called soul of hers for the dementors to suck out.

shes evil, and all for purity, but no, not a death eater.

I think the fact that Slytherin and Swendyl both start with an 'S' is serendipitous to Umbridge's wanting to be pureblood, so she lied and told everyone that it was her family heirloom. Whether she knew it was actually Slytherin's, I don't know.

Really though, who could blame her for wanting to prove her pure-bloodedness at a time like that, with muggle-borns being persecuted as they were?

I don't think she's a Death Eater. Power hungry, sure; but not a Death Eater.

Not every dark wizard was a Death Eater. Look at the Snatchers; they're just a group of bounty hunters, but they agree with the ideology. Umbridge seems that way as well. She goes along with the Death Eaters' master plan because she agrees with it, and because it lets her flex her sadism muscles. :D

But does she have the Dark Mark? Probably not, and I'm pretty sure meeting the Dark Lord in the flesh was something she had never done either.

I don't think so. She believed in blood purity and prosecuted the muggleborns, but I think she was just a power hungry, evil person. I doubt that she had ever been recruited by the death eaters.

She wouldn't have had the dark mark either. Fenrir Greyback didn't even have the dark mark and Voldemort had sent him on death eater missions.

I believe that JK has stated that she isn't a Death Eater, but an evil person who thinks that what she thinks is right ... and woe betide any one who crosses her or disagrees with her.

Never thought she would be. I just wish she would've died.

I don't think so. She's just a nasty piece of work who aspires power and position.

I think it is all the more likely she was under the Imperius curse, I think JK was trying make her out as a particularly evil person in terms of her beliefs and discipline but not a dark wizard as such.

You know guys... It just occured to me... The question of Umbridge being a Deatheater is still up in the air... We know where she was last seen!... Sorry this is a bit off topic, This could be finaly answerered in the last two movies, if they keep to the book we know where she can last be seen, if they decide to add her to the final battle of hogwarts that would prove what she is... But I think, she deserves to be defeated bashed up a bit in the battle of Hogwarts in a put off duel with Professor Mcgonagal!

Umbridge a death eater? That's actually funny! I think Voldemort would fry her to toast after about 30 seconds of conversation. Seriously she wants to wield a lot of power herself, and would not want to be submissive to him in any way.

Umbridge a death eater? That's actually funny! I think Voldemort would fry her to toast after about 30 seconds of conversation. Seriously she wants to wield a lot of power herself, and would not want to be submissive to him in any way.

Couldn't agree more! She wants to much power to herself and everyone knows voldemort wants all the power to himself!