Miscellaneous Actor Speculation v4

When someone mentioned Liam Neeson for Scrimgeour, I was sold. I love Liam Neeson, and I can so see him with a mane of hair and a slight limp.

I don't know any young U.K. actresses who could play Lavender, but my Lavender has fairly long curly brown hair (which probably means the movie Lavender will have short straight blond hair :lol: ). I imagine that if they don't already have a Lavender Brown as a background character, she's going to be an unknown like the rest of the kids have been. Unless of course they decide to skip over the whole Ron/Lavender plot in HBP... grumble grumble.

When someone mentioned Liam Neeson for Scrimgeour, I was sold. I love Liam Neeson, and I can so see him with a mane of hair and a slight limp.

I don't know any young U.K. actresses who could play Lavender, but my Lavender has fairly long curly brown hair (which probably means the movie Lavender will have short straight blond hair :lol: ). I imagine that if they don't already have a Lavender Brown as a background character, she's going to be an unknown like the rest of the kids have been. Unless of course they decide to skip over the whole Ron/Lavender plot in HBP... grumble grumble.

I can imagine her with like olive skin, n long brown hair lol. But yeh like ya say, they mite decide to forget all bout ther plot :grumble:

Who is playing Kingsley Shacklebot and Tonks, may I ask?

When someone mentioned Liam Neeson for Scrimgeour, I was sold. I love Liam Neeson, and I can so see him with a mane of hair and a slight limp.

I don't know any young U.K. actresses who could play Lavender, but my Lavender has fairly long curly brown hair (which probably means the movie Lavender will have short straight blond hair :lol: ). I imagine that if they don't already have a Lavender Brown as a background character, she's going to be an unknown like the rest of the kids have been. Unless of course they decide to skip over the whole Ron/Lavender plot in HBP... grumble grumble.
The girl next to Harry in this picture is Jennifer Smith- the girl casted as Lavender Brown in PoA. - Link (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v114/indicaps/Harry%20Potter%20and%20the%20Prisoner%20of%20Azkab an/?action=view&current=HP_PRISONER_OF_AZKABAN_DISC1-438.jpg)

Aha! So it's a fairly safe bet that they'll stick with her if they include the Ron/Lavender plot in HBP. Was she also in GoF?

I don't really care who plays a certain part, as long as the main characters stay the same, and as long as they can do the part right.

Aha! So it's a fairly safe bet that they'll stick with her if they include the Ron/Lavender plot in HBP.
Not necessarily. The role of Cedric Diggory was cast in PoA, and then recast for the bigger part in GoF.

Who is playing Kingsley Shacklebot and Tonks, may I ask?

George Harris (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0364711/) and Natalie Tena (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1164730/).

Ah, thanks.:tu:

I think Bill Nighy would be a perfect Scrimgeour and Bob Hoskins for Slughorn. Both are great actors ofcourse which is important.

[QUOTE=Kirsquir;4409060]I don't know any young U.K. actresses who could play Lavender, but my Lavender has fairly long curly brown hair (which probably means the movie Lavender will have short straight blond hair :lol: )./QUOTE]

See now I always pictured her as a soppy blonde with big blue eyes, a totally airheaded giggler. A cheerleader, almost. I guess I got that from her being so enamoured of Trelawney and always gossiping with Parvati.

Bleah. I almost hope they cut out all the Won-Won stuff (though at the same time it might be cute...).

I don't know any young U.K. actresses who could play Lavender, but my Lavender has fairly long curly brown hair (which probably means the movie Lavender will have short straight blond hair :lol: ).

See now I always pictured her as a soppy blonde with big blue eyes, a totally airheaded giggler. A cheerleader, almost. I guess I got that from her being so enamoured of Trelawney and always gossiping with Parvati.

Bleah. I almost hope they cut out all the Won-Won stuff (though at the same time it might be cute...).
What color do you imagine Lavender Brown's hair to be? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=82731) ;)

What color do you imagine Lavender Brown's hair to be? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=82731) ;)

Thanks :lol:

I think Sienna Miller would be great as Lavender Brown, since she has a talent for making very brief appearances (thank d*g) in good movies (okay, some good movies).

I mean, why not? Shirley Henderson (Myrtle) isn't a teenager either. ;)

But the woman who plays Myrtle can (sort of) pass for a teenager, and because the character's a ghost, you have suspension of disbelief. And unless I'm wrong, I think they cast a grown woman because they knew Myrtle would reappear in later movies and since she's a ghost, she shouldn't look any older. A teenage actress would have looked quite a bit older between when CoS was filmed and when GoF was filmed (and older still when HBP is filmed, if they include the Draco-Harry bathroom duel scene).

If the Ron/Lavender plot is in the HBP film, I do not want to see little old Rupert Grint making out with a woman who easily looks old enough to be his mother. :lol:

I think they'd be better off going for an unknown of around the appropriate age. But I have a sneaking suspicion they may cut that whole plotline, since most of Ron's character development has been cut in order to spare time for Harry's.

I would like to see Ben Kingsley in a HP film. Do you think there's a character he could play?

Bill Nighy = Greyback (I've given up on Geoffrey Rush as Greyback, only because he's Australian *sniffles*)

Ewan McGregor = Bill Weasley

Jim Broadbent = Slughorn

I would like to see Ben Kingsley in a HP film. Do you think there's a character he could play?

Bill Nighy = Greyback (I've given up on Geoffrey Rush as Greyback, only because he's Australian *sniffles*)

Ewan McGregor = Bill Weasley

Jim Broadbent = Slughorn

Bill Nighy did an amazing job in "Shaun of the Dead" as Shaun's zombified stepfather. He was slightly menacing, but I think he could pull off Fenrir (though I picture Fenrir as being a little younger a lot more husky).

I'd say Rhys Ifans, but he's Welch. My Brit choice would be... oh shoot! Jonathan Rhys Meyers isn't British either! Let me think about that for a bit... Brian Cox! No, he's from Scotland... argh!

I'd back you on Jim Broadbent for Slughorn (it's a campaign slogan!) but he's awfully tall and Sluggy, from the books, sounds like he's short, round and squishy. Still I like him- he would be a perfect dilletante! :lol:

I'd say Rhys Ifans, but he's Welch. My Brit choice would be... oh shoot! Jonathan Rhys Meyers isn't British either! Let me think about that for a bit... Brian Cox! No, he's from Scotland... argh!

All these actors would be fine, British does not mean just English. Britain includes England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and actors from Ireland (as in the Republic of Ireland) are included as well. In fact Devon Murray, who plays Seamus, and Brendan Gleeson, who plays Mad Eye Moody, both come from Ireland.

I still think that Lily Cole would be good as Lavender Brown for HBP, And I could see Patrick Stewart or Sean Connery as Scrimigour

Bill Nighy did an amazing job in "Shaun of the Dead" as Shaun's zombified stepfather. He was slightly menacing, but I think he could pull off Fenrir (though I picture Fenrir as being a little younger a lot more husky).

Ah. See, that's what I'm afraid of. I'm really afraid they're going to make Greyback too young and too (I'll use your term) "husky". That's just totaly not how I picture that character. I know a lot of people picture him that way, but I don't, and I know I'm going to be dissapointed with how he's going to turn out.
Anyways. Bill Nighy for Greyback! Glad you agree with me! :D



I'd back you on Jim Broadbent for Slughorn (it's a campaign slogan!) but he's awfully tall and Sluggy, from the books, sounds like he's short, round and squishy. Still I like him- he would be a perfect dilletante! :lol:

Yeah, I thought about that too. In the book Slughorn does seem more (I'll use your term again) "round and squishy". I think Broadbent could pull that off though. All the movies I've seen him in he has the same feeling I got from Slughorn as I read the book.
Glad you agree with me on this one too! We should start a campaign :lol:

Ah. See, that's what I'm afraid of. I'm really afraid they're going to make Greyback too young and too (I'll use your term) "husky". That's just totaly not how I picture that character. I know a lot of people picture him that way, but I don't, and I know I'm going to be dissapointed with how he's going to turn out.
Anyways. Bill Nighy for Greyback! Glad you agree with me! :D

I agree with you, Bill Nighy is how I picture Greyback.

And so far, all of the adult characters seem to be older than I pictured them, so maybe that trend will continue with Greyback.

Ah. See, that's what I'm afraid of. I'm really afraid they're going to make Greyback too young and too (I'll use your term) "husky".

Anyways. Bill Nighy for Greyback! Glad you agree with me! :D

I know what you mean, but Nighy is nearly 60 and I would rather he were just knocking on the door of 50. Not too much younger, just young enough that he wouldn't look like he'd shatter if someone tackled him.

That said, he's properly menacing and I think he'd be purrrrfect.

Yeah, I thought about that too. In the book Slughorn does seem more (I'll use your term again) "round and squishy". I think Broadbent could pull that off though. All the movies I've seen him in he has the same feeling I got from Slughorn as I read the book.
Glad you agree with me on this one too! We should start a campaign :lol:

Well, if they can make Robbie Coltrane look like he's 8 feet tall then I suppose they can make Jim Broadbent look short and squat. :err:

I smell a sig line coming on...

Bill and Jim for HBP! Because you can't be too old or too tall! :lol:

who cares!! most of the new er characters are boring slughorn YAAWN except for his telling tom riddle about horcruxs he is sooooo boring i think his stupid slug club and following harry arounfd go away!!!

Bill and Jim for HBP! Because you can't be too old or too tall! :lol:

Haha, amen!!! :lol:

Nighy is a bit old, I guess. Especially for this character. But just like the height thing, a lot can be altered.

According to this article (http://www.cinematical.com/2005/11/20/cinematical-seven-brits-to-cast-in-harry-potter/), Judi Dench, Hugh Grant, Helena Bonham Carter, Colin Firth, Simon Callow, Joanna Lumley, and Christopher Lee are the well-known British actors left to cast.

I for one would like to see Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix. Christopher Lee would be a good choice for Scrimgeour, but I hope Liam Neeson gets that part.
I don't think hugh grant would fit any where in the series, i agree with you about Bellatrix and Scrimgeour.

Skimmed the past few pages and saw no mention of Jón Páll Eyjólfsson (http://imdb.com/name/nm2265332/), who auditioned for an unknown role in HBP, rumored to be young Voldemort according to Mugglenet.

His IMDB page is pretty sparse but a GIS brings up the following picture of him:

http://www.actors-union.is/felagar/JonPall.jpg

This audition, if it really is for Voldemort, puzzles me. This man looks nothing like young Voldemort. I think he looks a bit more like Greyback myself...perhaps that was the role? He has been invited to a second audition.

Dawlish is cast for OOP - does anyone have a picture of the actor - in the movie?

After that spate of pictures it's been pretty slim pickings on the adults, Lupin, Moody, Kingsley Shacklebolt, KREACHER!...

I don't think hugh grant would fit any where in the series.

I totally see him as the Other Minister in Book 6. Also, I can see him being the newly elected Minister who's first "surprise" is being contacted by Fudge.

I totally see him as the Other Minister in Book 6. Also, I can see him being the newly elected Minister who's first "surprise" is being contacted by Fudge.

I honestly don't see any way they'll keep the first chapter of HBP in the movie...

Skimmed the past few pages and saw no mention of Jón Páll Eyjólfsson (http://imdb.com/name/nm2265332/), who auditioned for an unknown role in HBP, rumored to be young Voldemort according to Mugglenet.

His IMDB page is pretty sparse but a GIS brings up the following picture of him:

http://www.actors-union.is/felagar/JonPall.jpg

This audition, if it really is for Voldemort, puzzles me. This man looks nothing like young Voldemort. I think he looks a bit more like Greyback myself...perhaps that was the role? He has been invited to a second audition.

(Spews coffee all over the monitor.) :wow:

A.) That fella looks a bit older than I'd expect an 11yo to look.

B.) That fella looks older than Christian Coulson.

C.) Now I understand the term "fivehead."

Yikes.

I honestly don't see any way they'll keep the first chapter of HBP in the movie...

I agree, and casting Hugh Grant as the Prime Minister would be a little too "Love, Actually" for me.

He would have made a really good Lockhart, I think, and would be tops as Scrimgeour if they really want a Brit playing the role.

According to this article (http://www.cinematical.com/2005/11/20/cinematical-seven-brits-to-cast-in-harry-potter/), Judi Dench, Hugh Grant, Helena Bonham Carter, Colin Firth, Simon Callow, Joanna Lumley, and Christopher Lee are the well-known British actors left to cast.

I for one would like to see Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix. Christopher Lee would be a good choice for Scrimgeour, but I hope Liam Neeson gets that part.

Thankfully we now know that HBC is playing Bellatrix (I'm soooo happy about this!), but I really hope they don't cast Hugh Grant in any HP film, even as an extra. He can't act, imo. He always plays the same character in his films.

What do you guys think about Stephen Fry being cast (not sure which character)?

(Spews coffee all over the monitor.) :wow:

A.) That fella looks a bit older than I'd expect an 11yo to look.

B.) That fella looks older than Christian Coulson.

C.) Now I understand the term "fivehead."

Yikes.

Perhaps he was cast in the role of "adult Tom Riddle" (25? year old who goes to apply for job as DADA teacher)? Adult Tom Riddle also qualifies as "young Voldemort". He still looks a lot more like Greyback to me. But it's confirmed that he did audition for a role and Mugglenet says he was invited back a second time.

I still wish Coulson could play Voldemort again, but he's probably too old by now.


What do you guys think about Stephen Fry being cast (not sure which character)?

That would be a great move. Considering Fry narrates the audio version (UK) of the books, I'd say he has a good grasp of the characters. He's also a great actor. :cool:

Skimmed the past few pages and saw no mention of Jón Páll Eyjólfsson (http://imdb.com/name/nm2265332/), who auditioned for an unknown role in HBP, rumored to be young Voldemort according to Mugglenet.

His IMDB page is pretty sparse but a GIS brings up the following picture of him:

http://www.actors-union.is/felagar/JonPall.jpg

This audition, if it really is for Voldemort, puzzles me. This man looks nothing like young Voldemort. I think he looks a bit more like Greyback myself...perhaps that was the role? He has been invited to a second audition.

Could it be for the role of Morfin? He looks like he may fit the roll a bit more. They should use the actor from film 2 to play a younger Voldemort. Not the 11 year old one but the older one in Slughorn's memory and in the memories from the little house elf whose name I can't remember.

1. I agree, the first chapter may not survive HPB :relax:
2. Precisely BECAUSE Hugh Grant is known as british PM in another movie, he could do a 1 scene as "the other minister" (who may return in Book 7) and establish the charater.
3. In terms of JKR supports the UK film actors guild, he is next in line.
4. He can too act! :love:

I would LOVE to see Chris Coulson :love: back as young riddle, I think he really nailed it.

Maybe that foreign guy will be Firenze...

Perhaps he was cast in the role of "adult Tom Riddle" (25? year old who goes to apply for job as DADA teacher)? Adult Tom Riddle also qualifies as "young Voldemort". He still looks a lot more like Greyback to me. But it's confirmed that he did audition for a role and Mugglenet says he was invited back a second time.

Ah, good point. :)

I still wish Coulson could play Voldemort again, but he's probably too old by now.


If 18yo Radcliffe can play 16yo Harry I don't see why they couldn't bump Coulson up to place the young adult Voldemort- he was 23 in CoS, so he's a bit closer to the right age for the role. :hmm:

If 18yo Radcliffe can play 16yo Harry I don't see why they couldn't bump Coulson up to place the young adult Voldemort- he was 23 in CoS, so he's a bit closer to the right age for the role. :hmm:

Radcliffe/Harry is a two year age gap, which is very impressive considering how big the character-actor gaps usually are for teenage characters, while Coulson had a 7 year gap when he played 15-16 year old Riddle in CoS. Coulson is now 29 years old, so playing a 16 year old Riddle again would be possible I suppose, and not really unusual.

He could play adult (25 year old) Voldemort as well, IMO.

So, after a lot of thought, I'm discarding my idea of Ewan McGregor as Bill Weasley. I mean, I still like the idea, but a much better idea is Simon Woods.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/Zacs_mistress/pride-and-prejudice-9.jpg

He definately looks like a Weasley, especially with that ginger hair. He's of course very good looking, as Bill is supposed to be. I'm just wondering if he could pull off the long ponytail. Hmm. Not sure.

Someone has most likely mentioned him before, but it doesn't hurt to mention it again!

On to another character.
If, and this is a big 'if', they go ahead with the first chapter of HBP, I think Liam Neeson should play the Prime Minister. A lot of people suggest him for Scrimgeour but I think that's an awful idea. If he makes an appearance in the films at all I think playing the Prime Minister would be the best bet.

I agree whole heartedly with the Simon Woods sentiment by Jezebeel. Bill Weasley one-hundred percent.

Does anyone have any opinions on Lavender. I know I got into it with another forum person about this, but I just recently found this, and at the moment, i didn't feel like argumenting...

(JKR on the topic of Rupert snogging) but thinking about him attending the castings for Lavender, stuff like that.

So she isn't casted? Even though IMDB told me that it was Jennifer Smith in PoA? Has my internet movie database failed me?

Any ideas, specul-a-tion?

Jennifer Smith was Lavender in PoA, but then, Cedric Diggory was played by Ben Macleod in CoS, so chances are they will re-cast her if they decide to give her a larger part in the HBP movie.

Radcliffe/Harry is a two year age gap, which is very impressive considering how big the character-actor gaps usually are for teenage characters, while Coulson had a 7 year gap when he played 15-16 year old Riddle in CoS. Coulson is now 29 years old, so playing a 16 year old Riddle again would be possible I suppose, and not really unusual.

He could play adult (25 year old) Voldemort as well, IMO.

I think so. And why bring in another actor if you don't have to?

I think John Savident would make a good Slughorn (picture attached). He's got the, er, roundness and baldness for the part.

I read a rumur yesterday that Naomi Watts may be cast as Narcissa (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=419067)?

I read a rumur yesterday that Naomi Watts may be cast as Narcissa (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=419067)?
Wow, I was thinking "not possible," because she's Australian, but she was born in the UK!

I think John Savident would make a good Slughorn (picture attached). He's got the, er, roundness and baldness for the part.

LOVE him for Slughorn!

What about Dr. House himself - Hugh Laurie for the Other Minister?

What about Dr. House himself - Hugh Laurie for the Other Minister?

I would absolutely ADORE this one!!
I know she may be too young but I kind of think Keira Knightly would be a good Narcissa...ooo or Sienna Miller

I don't really know who would be good for Slughorn, the character has to be just right or it won't work...

Radcliffe/Harry is a two year age gap, which is very impressive considering how big the character-actor gaps usually are for teenage characters, while Coulson had a 7 year gap when he played 15-16 year old Riddle in CoS. Coulson is now 29 years old, so playing a 16 year old Riddle again would be possible I suppose, and not really unusual.

He could play adult (25 year old) Voldemort as well, IMO.

I don't see why age matters to most of you... Shirley Henderson (if I was right) was in her forty's (40's) when she played Myrtle in COS. Myrtle is a teenage soul... Do souls age if they're already souls?

I read a rumur yesterday that Naomi Watts may be cast as Narcissa (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=419067)?

That would be nice... considering I know her... but it would be better if they find the exact one even if she hasn't acted before...

I agree whole heartedly with the Simon Woods sentiment by Jezebeel. Bill Weasley one-hundred percent.

Does anyone have any opinions on Lavender. I know I got into it with another forum person about this, but I just recently found this, and at the moment, i didn't feel like argumenting...



So she isn't casted? Even though IMDB told me that it was Jennifer Smith in PoA? Has my internet movie database failed me?

Any ideas, specul-a-tion?


She was casted. If you remember:

the girl in the changing staircase with the rest of the group when the fat lady was gone...

the girl in the hospital wing with Harry's teammates...

that's her...

I don't see JK described her as a 'black'... I know many Browns but their skin is white...

I read a rumur yesterday that Naomi Watts may be cast as Narcissa (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=419067)?

I've been hearing a lot of people talking about Naomi playing Narcissa. I don't particularly care for her, but I think she'd do a good job!
I had originally thought Nicole Kidman would make a good Narcissa. She's definately Australian though, so there's probably no hope of getting her.

To go back a little, I honestly don't see a role fitting for Hugh Grant. Just because he played the Prime Minister in a different movie, doesn't make him right to play the role in HP, IMO. ;) I think Hugh Laurie would totally fit the role of the "Other Minister" though!

I see Bob Hoskins as Slughorn...though I think John Savident would be BRILLIANT!

Narcissa looks a little like Jerry Hall in my mind, but that could just be me! :lol:

I think Liam Neeson should play "the other minister". Not Scrimgeour like most people suggest. I mean, I guess he wouldn't be too bad in that role, but I just can't see it.
Hugh Laurie would make a good Phineus (spelling?). Either him or Bill Nighy. Since I'm pretty set on Nighy playing Greyback, I think Laurie would be better :)

Nighy would make a brillant Greyback. :agree:

I quite like the idea of Jim Broadbent playing Slughorn. I've always been impressed with his performances - even if the films themselves haven't been particularly worthwhile. And I can both hear and visualise him in the role, playing little king with his 'court' around him in the Slug Club scenes.

As for Bill Nighy, they should try and get him no matter what - he's so good I don't really care who he plays!

I quite like the idea of Jim Broadbent playing Slughorn. I've always been impressed with his performances - even if the films themselves haven't been particularly worthwhile. And I can both hear and visualise him in the role, playing little king with his 'court' around him in the Slug Club scenes.

That's exactly the way I feel about him. I've always been impressed by his performances and I absolutely cannot see anyone else in this role!

As for Bill Nighy, they should try and get him no matter what - he's so good I don't really care who he plays!

Amen! I don't care who he plays either, though Greyback is my first choice, I just want to see him in one of the movies!

Okay so I was thinking of other actors that are needed for HBP..
The Gaunts ?
Tom Riddle Sr. ?
Tom Riddle Jr. (11 years old) ?
Tom Riddle Jr. (Hogwarts student)---hopefully the same one that did CoS

Well, according to IMDB (I know they aren't 100% reliable, but it's something to go by) Christian Coulson has been cast as Tom Riddle Jr. (Hogwarts student) again. No worries there, right?!

http://imdb.com/title/tt0417741/

Well, according to IMDB (I know they aren't 100% reliable, but it's something to go by) Christian Coulson has been cast as Tom Riddle Jr. (Hogwarts student) again. No worries there, right?!
No worries at all! I am glad they got the same person! It just makes the movies flow more...
I wonder about the others, I mean if they will just be a bunch of nobodys or if they will get well known or semi-well known...

If 18yo Radcliffe can play 16yo Harry I don't see why they couldn't bump Coulson up to place the young adult Voldemort- he was 23 in CoS, so he's a bit closer to the right age for the role. :hmm:

Hey, if they can make 42-year-old Shirley Henderson look young enough to play Moaning Myrtle, I don't see why Christian Coulson couldn't play Voldemort at both 16 and 25.

PS: I still think David Warner would be the perfect Scrimgeour!

I hope Christian comes back too, I liked him as Tom the first time around as well.

I read somewhere in the Australian edition of Empire for January this year that Judi Dench is up for a role in HBP. It didn't specify exactly what role but a hint could be gleaned from the comment "house elf method preparation".
Me thinks it will be Hepzibiah Smith cause Nick Shrim (Zachariah Smith) closely resembles Judi.

Well, according to IMDB (I know they aren't 100% reliable, but it's something to go by) Christian Coulson has been cast as Tom Riddle Jr. (Hogwarts student) again. No worries there, right?!

http://imdb.com/title/tt0417741/

I think that would be PERFECT !!! :drool:

but I went to that link and they say the casting is "rumoured"

But still - He would be PERFECT !!!!!! :love:

I read somewhere in the Australian edition of Empire for January this year that Judi Dench is up for a role in HBP. It didn't specify exactly what role but a hint could be gleaned from the comment "house elf method preparation".
Me thinks it will be Hepzibiah Smith cause Nick Shrim (Zachariah Smith) closely resembles Judi.

OH that would so fantastic !!! :relax:

Any word yet on Scrimegeour.

I would love Sean Connery!

I am still waiting to hear about The Guants and Lavender....

I don't think there will be a Lavender. I think it's either going to be Padme or Parvati Patel. Lavender is unnecessary.

Okay so I was thinking about who could play Bill Weasley. It may have been said already, but here it goes. Simon Woods...he played Mr. Bingley in Pride and Predjudice. He has the red hair to boot and he is cute and funny. I think he would make a perfect Weasley! What do you guys thing?

god, you guys have so good ideas.

Bill Nighy would surely make a wonderful Greyback, and I know my following suggestion isn't valid for many reasons, among them that he's not british, but if you take a look at this -

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1006/2754-1.jpg


I saw it by chance, and instantly thought THIS is how I imagine Greyback all right.

god, you guys have so good ideas.

Bill Nighy would surely make a wonderful Greyback, and I know my following suggestion isn't valid for many reasons, among them that he's not british, but if you take a look at this -

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1006/2754-1.jpg


I saw it by chance, and instantly thought THIS is how I imagine Greyback all right.
The link doesn't work.

I think David Warner would be ideal as Scrimgeour -- well he looks like an "old lion" whether in make up or not!

Bob Hoskins would be perfect as Slughorn.

Judy Dench (Sorry, Dame Judy Dench) a jewel as Hepzibah Smith.

Bill Nighy as Greyback -- well he makes a good squid, why not a werewolf ...

but Bill Weasley needs to be someone really -- as Harry says -- cool --:cool:

The link doesn't work.

of course it doesn't. i suck with these things. :grumble:

can you see this now? www.moviemaze.de/celebs/0074/main05.jpg

of course it doesn't. i suck with these things. :grumble:

can you see this now? www.moviemaze.de/celebs/0074/main05.jpg
No :no:

Who are you trying to post a picture of?

:sigh: Jack Nicholson in his 'Wolf' performance...

I've attached the picture, hopefully it'll work now.

That's EXACTLY the one I meant! :tu:

but Bill Weasley needs to be someone really -- as Harry says -- cool --
I think Simon Woods could pull off cool. Give him a ponytail and he is there! I mean he was a little bit doppy in Pride and Predjudice, but that just shows he is a good actor. I think he would fit right in with the Weasleys! My vote is for him!!!

Re Bill I'm thinking they won't put a new character in so late. I think they'll do someone we already know. I think they'll put Percy as Fleur's love interest, if they leave that stuff in at all! We barely see Percy, we never saw Charlie...unless they are pivotal in Book 7 ... ? It's a shame because I love Charlie (from a distance!) and I want him for Luna.

You're quite right. If they make any changes of that sort, it'd almost be a spoiler for DH, even though it'd come two weeks before the books only

I think David Warner would be ideal as Scrimgeour -- well he looks like an "old lion" whether in make up or not!

Yay, someone agrees! :love: (Don't forget rangy!)

Bob Hoskins would be perfect as Slughorn.

Yes, definitely him, or I could buy Jim Broadbent as well, except for the height thing.

ooo. I was thinking about Jim Broadbent for Slughorn as well. I was also thinking about Bill Nighy as Marvolo Gaunt, rather than Greyback. I thought that guy from the UK Office and Pirates, the one always chasing after his wooden eye, would make a good Morfin.

Liam Neeson must play Rufus Scrimgeour.

ooo. I was thinking about Jim Broadbent for Slughorn as well. I was also thinking about Bill Nighy as Marvolo Gaunt, rather than Greyback. I thought that guy from the UK Office and Pirates, the one always chasing after his wooden eye, would make a good Morfin.

The Morfin idea is awesome :tu: , and the name of the fellow is Mackenzie Crook

Robert Carlyle would be a good Greyback if you ask me.

Re Bill I'm thinking they won't put a new character in so late. I think they'll do someone we already know. I think they'll put Percy as Fleur's love interest, if they leave that stuff in at all! We barely see Percy, we never saw Charlie...unless they are pivotal in Book 7 ... ? It's a shame because I love Charlie (from a distance!) and I want him for Luna.
I really can't see them doing this. Plus they have talked about Bill in the movies before, haven't they? We know for sure we saw a picture of the whole fam in PoA. All they would have to do is introduce him as the oldest Weasley brother. The movie goers know that Ron comes from a big family. I think they would be able to accept this, especially more than seeing prat Percy engaged to the beautiful Flur.

Futhermore, I still think that Percy's self-removal from the family will come into play in DH, so the plot line wouldn't work, for him to take Bill's spot in the movie. I still say that Simon Woods would be a good Bill!



ooo. I was thinking about Jim Broadbent for Slughorn as well. I was also thinking about Bill Nighy as Marvolo Gaunt, rather than Greyback. I thought that guy from the UK Office and Pirates, the one always chasing after his wooden eye, would make a good Morfin.
I can definately see both of these! Yes, I like Bill for Marvolo more than Greyback.

Liam Neeson must play Rufus Scrimgeour.
He would do a surberb job!!!

Robert Carlyle would be a good Greyback if you ask me.
I think this is a good idea as well!!! :agree:

Simon Woods looks more Charlie-ish to me, I don't know why.

I still say Jack Davenport for Bill, with a red wig. He's so handsome!

I still say Jack Davenport for Bill, with a red wig. He's so handsome!

what a wonderful idea :love:

Simon Woods looks more Charlie-ish to me, I don't know why.
I would be happy with this too. He just seems very Weaslyish to me! I think he would fit right in with the family. Hopefully Charlie will play a bigger role in DH and they will have to cast him, for that movie. :)

I still say Jack Davenport for Bill, with a red wig. He's so handsome!
Just looked him up. He would definately work for Bill. He seems to have the whole "cool" thing down.

I have my fingers crossed that David Jason might be approached to play Slughorn. The image of Slughorn I have in my head is based somewhat on him and I think he could play it very well.

Robert Carlyle would be a good Greyback if you ask me.

Like Begbie but no where near as scary.

Just looked him up. He would definately work for Bill. He seems to have the whole "cool" thing down.

Absofreakinlutely

I've heard Bill Nighy is interested in a part. I think he's a terrific actor and would love to see him in these movies. Maybe Scrimgeour (if they include him)?

Bill Nighy to me would be an excellent Mungdungus (since Aberforth is taken)!

This is impossible but ... Johnny Depp for RAB !

Like Begbie but no where near as scary.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean :no: Robert Carlyle would be a great Greyback if the guys in the make-up department did their job. Hell, for acting sakes I'd tell whoever played him not to wash for a few weeks just so the other actors reacted with the required disgust. In terms of scariness I will point you towards Hitler: The Rise of Evil. In that Carlyle prooves that he is indeed capable of being pretty terrifying. In fact, I almost regret the fact that he didn't get to play Voldemort.

This is impossible but ... Johnny Depp for RAB !
:lol: that would be awesome! Assuming we get to see RAB at some point. Oh Johnny :love:

Johnny Depp? To be honest I'd rather they didn't cast any Americans.

This is impossible but ... Johnny Depp for RAB !
Why would Johnny depp want to play a woman? :huh:

(just kidding, but we don't really know who RAB is!)

Why would Johnny depp want to play a woman? :huh:


Well, he's hardly the sharpest knife in Caesar is he?

Interviewer: Mr. Depp! How are you?
Depp: Huh?
Interviewer: I was just asking how you were today?
Depp: Muffins?

Awful man.

Awful man.

Shhhh! Don't you! Bad Ronny, baaaaad Ronny!

I'm serious. Whenever I've seen an interview with the guy he seems...well...let's just say that he seems in no condition to be out in public. Let's leave it at that.

who said I wasn't serious too?



just kidding, of course. you needn't like him. I reckon he's happy enough with his two point five trillion other fans out there ;)

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean :no: Robert Carlyle would be a great Greyback if the guys in the make-up department did their job. Hell, for acting sakes I'd tell whoever played him not to wash for a few weeks just so the other actors reacted with the required disgust. In terms of scariness I will point you towards Hitler: The Rise of Evil. In that Carlyle prooves that he is indeed capable of being pretty terrifying. In fact, I almost regret the fact that he didn't get to play Voldemort.

i think the person above was joking that greyback is nowhere near as scary as begbie. they were not disagreeing that robert carlyle wouldn't do well as greyback. i also think he could do a super great job in that role. but he might be a wee bit on the thin side for it.

yeah, well. Robbie Coltrane is rather short for playing Hagrid. The bloke whose name escapes me right now, but who played Gimli in LotR was actually one of the tallest on set. They can perform miracles with makeup and CT nowadays

and also... does it say somewhere that Greyback is not thin? I remember that his clothes looked as if they were too tight, but that can apply for slender people just as well

True but I think physical size doesn't matter much. As long as we get the sense of decay and filth around him I reckon that a total resemblance to the portrayal of Greyback in HPB isn't toally important. Plus, a guy who goes through the agony of a Werewolf transformation would maybe look a little thin and rather ill. I mean, I always got the impression that he had been driven insane by his condition and allowed it to conquer him. Why then would he be really muscly...well Ronny, for one thing, he is "really muscly" because that's the way Rowling wrote him.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean :no: Robert Carlyle would be a great Greyback if the guys in the make-up department did their job. Hell, for acting sakes I'd tell whoever played him not to wash for a few weeks just so the other actors reacted with the required disgust. In terms of scariness I will point you towards Hitler: The Rise of Evil. In that Carlyle prooves that he is indeed capable of being pretty terrifying. In fact, I almost regret the fact that he didn't get to play Voldemort.

Unfortunately your regrets are of no relevance to Carlyle - who has publicly expressed his contempt for Harry Potter.

Are you kidding?

I think Jonny Depp would be perfect for a role in the movies!! Mundungus, perhaps? :D He would've been a great Sirius.

The bloke whose name escapes me right now, but who played Gimli in LotR was actually one of the tallest on set. They can perform miracles with makeup and CT nowadays

Holy cow, really? :lol: Pretty funny! John Rhys-Davies is the actor who played Gimli.

Heehee, I'd love to see Orli Bloom as RAB. :D

Are you kidding?

No. He was very scornful.


I think Jonny Depp would be perfect for a role in the movies!!

He is American.

Forget Carlyle then. Damn, I cannot believe that. Know what makes it worse? Badmouthing Harry Potter and then going on to act in Eragon. Hypocrisy!

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean :no: Robert Carlyle would be a great Greyback if the guys in the make-up department did their job. Hell, for acting sakes I'd tell whoever played him not to wash for a few weeks just so the other actors reacted with the required disgust. In terms of scariness I will point you towards Hitler: The Rise of Evil. In that Carlyle prooves that he is indeed capable of being pretty terrifying. In fact, I almost regret the fact that he didn't get to play Voldemort.

Carlyle's portrayal of Begbie in Trainspotting was one of the scariest charatcers to grace the screen in recent years.

anybody rumored for Narcissa???
what about minors? Merope and the rest of the Gaunts?

the rumour that I heard about Narcissa - and I think it was in this very forum - was that Naomi Watts is considered for the part

As Naomi is very pregnant at the moment I suspect she would be unavailable for the short term.

ah! very pregnant as opposed to slightly pregnant? :D

on a vaguely more serious note - I never thought of Naomi before reading it somewhere, but I'd have liked her for the part. I have this image of Narcissa in my head that is largely sculptored after Grace Kelly in Philadelphia Story. Since she is no option, Naomi Watts would have fitted my idea well enough, and despite all the blondes in this world, there aren't that many who can pull of a Grace Kelly impression, AND are British as well

I like Kiera Knightley for the part, but she seems TOO young... :(

I love Keira Knightley, I really do, she's very sweet. But no Narcissa in my books.

the rumour that I heard about Narcissa - and I think it was in this very forum - was that Naomi Watts is considered for the part
That is what I heard to. In fact I am sure there is a link somewhere in this thread to the article or "rumor"

As Naomi is very pregnant at the moment I suspect she would be unavailable for the short term.
I didn't know she was prego! When is she due? I mean she only has a small role that would only take a week or so to film. I wonder if they could hide the belly... I got kind of use to the idea that she was going to be in the role.


I like Kiera Nightly for the part, but she seems TOO young...
I thought of her too! :) I suggested it awhile back, but I agree she is probably too young looking.

What about Nicole Kidman?

Nicole Kidman would be awesome, but she is Australian.

Nicole Kidman would be awesome, but she is Australian.
So is Watts ;) I thought maybe if they were considering her, then they might consider Kidman

So is Watts ;) I thought maybe if they were considering her, then they might consider Kidman
Naomi Watts was actually born in Britain. I looked her up when the rumor first came out!

So is Watts ;) I thought maybe if they were considering her, then they might consider Kidman



isn't the language accent of Australians the same as British? I though for once that Australia (or maybe a part of Australia) were once (or until now) under the territory of Britain...

so if that's the case, either Watts, or Kidman, would be great...

another suggestion would be Kate Winslet... she was considered for the role of Fleur delaCour but she seems too old and that Newell would like a French actress to portray Phlegm...

maybe she's better playing Narcissa...
but she's a bit fat and wide-faced compared to Cissy...

isn't the language accent of Australians the same as British? I though for once that Australia (or maybe a part of Australia) were once (or until now) under the territory of Britain...
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The Australian accent and British accents are worlds apart although Australia was once a collection of British colonies (but, then again, so was a quarter of the world).

Naomi is due late June/early July BTW.

Naomi is due late June/early July BTW.
Then I definately think she could still be in the running as filming for HBP starts in the fall. Yes, she will have a newbie, but since her role won't take much time to film I think she would work nicely. I like the idea of her very much, I can definately see her pulling Cissy off nicely.

She may be able to work but she may not want to.

only because filming starts in autumn, it doesn't follow that she'd have to start then with the others. Fleur doesn't have such a huge part in HBP, they could wrap up her scenes in like two weeks at the end of shooting, couldn't they?

only because filming starts in autumn, it doesn't follow that she'd have to start then with the others. Fleur doesn't have such a huge part in HBP, they could wrap up her scenes in like two weeks at the end of shooting, couldn't they?
You mean Cissy right? :p
Yes, I agree with you if you mean Cissy. (I still hope they get the same actress for Fleur)

yeah, I mean Cissy. Geez, where did I have my head when typing this?!

As Naomi is very pregnant at the moment I suspect she would be unavailable for the short term.I also would be surprised if Narcissa was cast: it would be very surprising if Spinner's End was in the movie, as it gives away too much, and Harry has to overhear the important information later! The Madame Maulkin's scene probably will be cut: the important information can be lumped into the Knockturn Alley scene, and given that it is so proximal to the start of the "what is Draco doing?" plot, Draco can be introduced at the same time.

If Narcissa is cast, then it will not be a big name, as it will be little more than a cameo role. If Spinner's End is included, then it will have to be abbreviated, and it would be easier to do with just Snape and Bellatrix.
isn't the language accent of Australians the same as British? I though for once that Australia (or maybe a part of Australia) were once (or until now) under the territory of Britain...There is no one British accent. Indeed, the Phelps twins have noticably different accents from Grint! Ozzie accents obviously are derived from them, but so are the different American accents. Also, Ozzie accents are noticable different in Perth than on the east coast!

I might have mentioned this before, but one relatively big name that might be willing to do a fairly small part is Stephen Fry as Scrimgeour. Fry has done the UK audiobooks, and he has become good friends with Rowling. As such, he might be willing to do what is little more than a cameo appearance. Fry is an outstanding actor. He also is an extremely tall man, who can create a physical presence without forced camera perspective. Scrimmy will have two short scenes tops: one trying to enlist Harry (I'd bet that this will be moved to Sluggy's XMas party) and then a brief one at the end (my guess is that they will do this rather than Harry rejecting McGonagal and the Order: rejecting the Minister will carry more weight).

I still like Terry Jones for Slughorn: he plays pompous blowhard very well, as anyone who has seen Monty Python can attest. Of course, all of the Pythons have this ability: they are good performers in general. (Cleese already has played Nearly-Headless Nick, but they've cut out superfluous background characters since they got rid of the superfluous director..... :cool:)

Other characters that I see being cast are: Mrs. Cole (although brief: they probably will show her walking alongside Dumbledore explaining that Tom is odd - there was the incident with the Rabbit, and the kids in the Cave (the audience needs to hear that gun put on the wall) - before meeting the young Tom;
Hepzibah Smith;
Merope and either her father or brother, but not both;
Aberforth (assuming that he is the background character that becomes important in Hallows, and assuming that they are shooting Prince & Hallows as one giant movie to be shown in two parts).As these all are pretty small roles (except possibly for Aberforth's role in Hallows), I expect that they will be like Tonks: actors & actresses of whom we never have heard. Really, the only major new part will be Sluggy's.

you've never heard of Natalia Tena? She was Ellie (sp?) in About A Boy!



As for Narcissa being in the movie or not -
while I can see them cast someone unknown - after all, why shouldn't they? - I don't think that she'll be cut from the movie so entirely for various reasons.

- 'Spinner's End' does not give too much away, it creates more tension, not less. Why, weren't you hooked when reading it? Why do you think it would be different in the movie?

- The family dynamics of the Malfoys is important to the plot, and in Spinner's End, we get to understand it for the first time really. Remember the discussions before HBP was published - there were quite a lot people thinking that Draco could be happy that his parents hadn't eaten him alive because they were supposed to be so cold and careless about him. In the movies, there is less information about them still.

- These films are made not at last for the fans. Some executive person at WB must by now have realised that people love Snape, be he good or bad now.

- "Draco's Detour' - I agree that it might be cut in parts, but I don't believe that it'll disappear completely. You quoted the gun on the wall so nicely. The audience needs to be exposed to Borgin and Burke's, and seeing the cabinet somewhere in the background wouldn't hurt either. I'm an old Agatha Christie Fan, I want to pick up clues, even if I already know the end. ;)



By the way - will the bloke from CoS return for the role of old Borgin? He could also take over the part of Caractacus Burke, now that I think of it...

Aberforth (assuming that he is the background character that becomes important in Hallows, and assuming that they are shooting Prince & Hallows as one giant movie to be shown in two parts).
I thought they already had Aberforth in the Hogs Head for OoTP or was that Dung?

As for Narcissa being in the movie or not -
while I can see them cast someone unknown - after all, why shouldn't they? - I don't think that she'll be cut from the movie so entirely for various reasons.

- 'Spinner's End' does not give too much away, it creates more tension, not less. Why, weren't you hooked when reading it? Why do you think it would be different in the movie?

- The family dynamics of the Malfoys is important to the plot, and in Spinner's End, we get to understand it for the first time really. Remember the discussions before HBP was published - there were quite a lot people thinking that Draco could be happy that his parents hadn't eaten him alive because they were supposed to be so cold and careless about him. In the movies, there is less information about them still.

- These films are made not at last for the fans. Some executive person at WB must by now have realised that people love Snape, be he good or bad now.

- "Draco's Detour' - I agree that it might be cut in parts, but I don't believe that it'll disappear completely. You quoted the gun on the wall so nicely. The audience needs to be exposed to Borgin and Burke's, and seeing the cabinet somewhere in the background wouldn't hurt either. I'm an old Agatha Christie Fan, I want to pick up clues, even if I already know the end.
I couldn't agree more with you. In fact I think it adds more confusion to the story than solves things, assuming that we can't take everything as it may seem. I believe there is more to that scene and it will come to play in DH, I don't think it will be cut from the movie.

In fact I think it adds more confusion to the story than solves things, assuming that we can't take everything as it may seem. I believe there is more to that scene and it will come to play in DH, I don't think it will be cut from the movie.

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. (And just imagine how lovely that scene could become - Alan Rickman, Helena Bonham Carter and some talented actress for Narcissa acting out such a scene! I'm thrilled, people!)

Why, weren't you hooked when reading it? Why do you think it would be different in the movie?It gave away too much in the book, and it would in the film. The audience must have no idea if Snape is telling the truth about whether Snape actually made the vow. (In all honesty, I suspect that this chapter was included just to squash some particularly dumb fan theories about Snape: had I been the editor, then the chapter would have been cut as it deviated from the narrative form....)

Regardless, if it is kept, then it must be abbreviated so that we do not know if Snape takes the vow. Narcissa is not needed: just use Bellatrix, instead. Chances are good that Bonham Carter's performance will be memorable enough that the audience will remember her as "the bad chick" from the prior film! Narcissa would have to be introduced completely from scratch, and it would take considerable dialogue to let the audience know who she is: the audience will not remember Draco's name, after all, and he will not have been shown yet.
- The family dynamics of the Malfoys is important to the plot, and in Spinner's End, we get to understand it for the first time really.Actually, these are unnecessary details: if the Sectumsempra scene is kept (and it surely will be), and if the Astronomy tower scene is kept (ditto!), then we will know why Draco is doing what he is doing. That makes this information from Spinner's End redundant. As Draco is not the protagonist, we really do not need too much more on him.
- These films are made not at last for the fans. Some executive person at WB must by now have realised that people love Snape, be he good or bad now."Suits" have little influence on these things, except for budgets. Heyman, the producer, is the main guy in charge, and he's been the guy in charge from day #1. He has said that non-Harry plots are to be cut. In essence, this is the non-Harry part of the B-plot (?Draco ??Snape). Now, fans might love Snape, but they are a small fraction of the audience: the rank and file are there for Harry and his story. Overloading on details for tertiary characters slows down films greatly (see, for example, King Kong!)
- "Draco's Detour' - I agree that it might be cut in parts, but I don't believe that it'll disappear completely. You quoted the gun on the wall so nicely. The audience needs to be exposed to Borgin and Burke's, and seeing the cabinet somewhere in the background wouldn't hurt either.Oh, Borgin & Burke's must be kept. Madame Malkin's is not necessary, nor is Fred & George's joke shop. This is the point to introduce Draco. Mumsy is not needed here, either. This obviates any need for Narcissa.

However, here is the key: the audience cannot know that Draco actually is up to something when he is at Borgin & Burke's. That is a source of tension between Harry and his friends, but it is completely undermined if the audience knows that Harry is correct. Indeed, many readers complained about this: why weren't Ron and Hermione supporting Harry here? The movie audience should feel the same: Ron & Hermione are not being petulant, they are being reasonable.
I'm an old Agatha Christie Fan, I want to pick up clues, even if I already know the end.Oh, I agree: we should have the clues. So, follow this model: do not show the audience anything that you do not show Poirot! We should have all of the same clues that Harry has. Remember, Harry has to get all the pertinent information later, when he overhears Snape and Draco: the movie must show Harry learning this. When Ron & Hermione suggest that Voldemort would not use Draco as an agent, we have to think that they might be correct; when Hermione suggests that Snape is lying to Draco about making an Unbreakable Vow, we have to think that she might be right.

This would be equivalent to opening a movie of an Agatha Christie movie with Character X agreeing to do a murder and then expecting anybody to be impressed when Poirot concludes that Character X is guilty! If anything is shown, then the mystery model must be followed: we cannot know who the boy in question is that might be working for Voldemort, and we cannot know if Snape agrees to do it. Poirot would not have this information: why should we?
By the way - will the bloke from CoS return for the role of old Borgin? He could also take over the part of Caractacus Burke, now that I think of it...Who knows? They have not done any casting for Hallows, yet, beyond the principles. However, if they change actors, nobody will notice because nobody will remember that part of CoS. After all, it will have been six years. (Besides, I think that most of the audience had dozed off by this point!)

As it will be a very small role, it will have a small name actor. I doubt that they'll show Burke: if they keep that part, then they probably will lump Borgin & Burke: that way, they can show a familiar face. Movies are all about visuals, after all: we need to see the face associated with the place. (The same is true of the books, but "Borgin" is one of the two visuals associated with "Borgin & Burke"!)

I thought they already had Aberforth in the Hogs Head for OoTP or was that Dung?It is Aberforth. However, that is no particular reason to think that he'll be played by the same guy in Prince. If they shoot Prince & Hallows as two separate projects, then they might hold him out until Hallows: he would have to be introduced pretty much from scratch then, anyway.

It gave away too much in the book, and it would in the film. The audience must have no idea if Snape is telling the truth about whether Snape actually made the vow. (In all honesty, I suspect that this chapter was included just to squash some particularly dumb fan theories about Snape: had I been the editor, then the chapter would have been cut as it deviated from the narrative form....)

But no one knows what that vow is about, isn't that the point?


Regardless, if it is kept, then it must be abbreviated so that we do not know if Snape takes the vow. Narcissa is not needed: just use Bellatrix, instead. Chances are good that Bonham Carter's performance will be memorable enough that the audience will remember her as "the bad chick" from the prior film! Narcissa would have to be introduced completely from scratch, and it would take considerable dialogue to let the audience know who she is: the audience will not remember Draco's name, after all, and he will not have been shown yet.

Not remember his name?! Are you kidding me? Who do you think is going to watch these films? Not my mum, to be sure! And among my friends, there a quite a lot who didn't read the books, but even they are totally up to date concerning the entire background department (because they'll bug you after watching the respective movie, asking all sorts of questions like 'what about this Lupin guy? so they were all buddies in school, right? what -')


He has said that non-Harry plots are to be cut. In essence, this is the non-Harry part of the B-plot (?Draco ??Snape). Now, fans might love Snape, but they are a small fraction of the audience: the rank and file are there for Harry and his story. Overloading on details for tertiary characters slows down films greatly (see, for example, King Kong!).

Draco was not too important to the plot lines of the first five movies. But he is Harry's main antagonist in HBP. I found that a problem with GoF - if I hadn't known the books, I'd have gone out of the cinema totally clueless like - 'who was that bloke...? where did he come from, for goodness' sake?! and why? and - what the -'



However, here is the key: the audience cannot know that Draco actually is up to something when he is at Borgin & Burke's. That is a source of tension between Harry and his friends, but it is completely undermined if the audience knows that Harry is correct. Indeed, many readers complained about this: why weren't Ron and Hermione supporting Harry here? The movie audience should feel the same: Ron & Hermione are not being petulant, they are being reasonable. .

I think I'm misunderstanding you here. I didn't think they were unsupportive, because from their point of view in the books, Harry was seeing ghosts. All right, so Draco goes into a shop for the Dark Arts and wants something fixed. To deduce that he has joined the Death Eaters and is out on a killer mission was way unlikely. If I hadn't read 'Spinner's End' before that, I'd hardly have noticed it and thought, 'get a life, Harry! You have worse problems than this!'



Oh, I agree: we should have the clues. So, follow this model: do not show the audience anything that you do not show Poirot! We should have all of the same clues that Harry has. Remember, Harry has to get all the pertinent information later, when he overhears Snape and Draco: the movie must show Harry learning this. When Ron & Hermione suggest that Voldemort would not use Draco as an agent, we have to think that they might be correct; when Hermione suggests that Snape is lying to Draco about making an Unbreakable Vow, we have to think that she might be right.

This would be equivalent to opening a movie of an Agatha Christie movie with Character X agreeing to do a murder and then expecting anybody to be impressed when Poirot concludes that Character X is guilty! If anything is shown, then the mystery model must be followed: we cannot know who the boy in question is that might be working for Voldemort, and we cannot know if Snape agrees to do it. Poirot would not have this information: why should we? .

I perceived the story so totally different. I reckon I'll just send you an owl because this forum isn't the place to discuss it, but - blimey, I never saw it from your point of view, to be sure.


Who knows? They have not done any casting for Hallows, yet, beyond the principles. However, if they change actors, nobody will notice because nobody will remember that part of CoS. After all, it will have been six years. (Besides, I think that most of the audience had dozed off by this point!) . I might be mistaken, but was he even in CoS? Wasn't he just in the deleted scenes, now that I think about it?

As it will be a very small role, it will have a small name actor.

But they did cast some very big names for very small parts already. I think famous actors might even like this, a tiny cameo part. Like Shirley Henderson. Like John Cleese. Like Rik Mayem (sp?). Like Dawn French.

I heard that Naomi Watts is already confirmed to play Narcissa? Is there any truth in there?

And Jack Davenport is also rumored to be cast. If so, I really want him to play Fenrir Greyback. Most people want him to play Tom Riddle or young Voldy, but I think he'd be really cool playing Greyback. Thoughts?

And Jack Davenport is also rumored to be cast. If so, I really want him to play Fenrir Greyback. Most people want him to play Tom Riddle or young Voldy, but I think he'd be really cool playing Greyback. Thoughts?
I think I started that rumor, because I thought he'd be perfect for Bill! :love:

I so can't see Jack Davenport as Greyback. He's supposed to be the doyen of werewolves, so a certain age is required. Of course they can do a lot with makeup, but to make the rather fine features of Jack Davenport match at least my personal idea of a werewolf (which should be ferocious), one wouldn't recognise him anymore.

I so can't see Jack Davenport as Greyback. He's supposed to be the doyen of werewolves, so a certain age is required. Of course they can do a lot with makeup, but to make the rather fine features of Jack Davenport match at least my personal idea of a werewolf (which should be ferocious), one wouldn't recognise him anymore.
I agree. I like the thought of him being Bill. However, is he young enough? I mean he has to look like Molly and Arthur's son, not brother. Do you guys think he could pull it off? I don't know much about him, so it I am sure it is possible.

I agree. I like the thought of him being Bill. However, is he young enough? I mean he has to look like Molly and Arthur's son, not brother. Do you guys think he could pull it off? I don't know much about him, so it I am sure it is possible.
Well, judging by IMDb birthdates, Mrs. Weaslely would have been a reasonable 23 when he was born, but Mr. Weasley, a mere 14. :p

Yes, but luckily Mark Williams doesn't look younger than his film wife, so it could work. I mean, Bill should be in his twenties, and I don't know if one could seriously claim that Jack Davenport looks like being twenty-five. But the films are rather liberal with those matters in other cases as well, and at least in the movies there is no mention exactly how old Bill is supposed to be.

All of the adults in the movies appear much older on screen than the characters do in my head. Shouldn't Sirius and Lupin and Snape only be in their early 30's?

All of the adults in the movies appear much older on screen than the characters do in my head. Shouldn't Sirius and Lupin and Snape only be in their early 30's?

Sirius was 37when he 'died' (I'm still in denial here :p).

Hmm, I read the Jack Davenport rumor from movievine.com though :p Him, Peter Rnic, and Stephen Rea are all rumored to be cast in HBP.

I want Sean Bean, damn it!

Who is Peter Rnic? (and what role could he play if the rumour was true?)

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/3/35/2X14_HurleySawyer.jpg

I want Jorge Garcia to be Slughorn, even though he doesn't match at all, and he's not old, and he lacks the accent, it would be REALLY funny.

yeah, it'd be hard to sell him as young Tom Riddle's Head of House :lol:

Draco was not too important to the plot lines of the first five movies. But he is Harry's main antagonist in HBP.

Draco is never Harry's main antagonist in any of the books. Throughout the saga, Harry is the sole protagonist; Voldemort is the chief antagonist. Of course Voldemort works through agents when he is "off stage" and these agents themselves are often in disguise, e.g. the faux Moody in GoF.

Draco is Harry's school rival - a staple character in school stories.

HBP was in large part an "origins" narrative - only this time the origin being presented to us was that of the villain/antagonist (see Batman Begins for a film version of an "origins" narrative).

so let me put it like this, perhaps a bit less misunderstandable - if you tried to cut Draco from HBP altogether, you'd have no plot left.

Wow, some great ideas there. I really like these:

1. Robert Carlyle for Greyback
2. Bill Nighy for Marvolo Gaunt
3. Mackenzie Crook for Morfin Gaunt!
4. Broadbent for Slughorn (love Terry Jones too)
5. David Warner has to play Scrimgeour, he just *has* to!

It would be cool for Stephen Fry to make a cameo ... maybe as a subject in one of the portraits. (And then Jim Dale--the reader for the American audiobooks--in another!)

BTW, Johnny Depp *can't* have a role; he's not British. By the same token, Australians would be disqualified regardless of accent (which doesn't sound British to me). Otherwise, I'd love to see Geoffrey Rush get a part! And I agree Keira Knightly looks way too young for Narcissa. (Plus I just can't picture Narcissa with those pouty lips!) I love Kate Winslet, but I think she's too soft-looking; Narcissa needs to be more severe. Someone more like a younger Meryl Streep (though obviously not her).

And I'll be crushed if "Spinner's End" is left out of the movie! For one thing, I think Pettigrew's going to become important, and JKR wouldn't have inserted him there if he wasn't relevant. For another, I love Tim Spall. And for another, I just think the whole scene (including his taking of the vow) is vital. (I trust JKR.)

"Some executive person at WB must by now have realised that people love Snape, be he good or bad now."

I sure hope so, but sometimes I wonder! (Alan Rickman is the only reason I went to see the first film, and Snape is the main character I keep reading for; he's the story's greatest mystery. I wouldn't be a fan of Harry Potter if not for him ... "a gift of a character" as JKR famously said.)

"Like Rik Mayem (sp?)."

You mean Rik Mayall? Yeah, whatever happened to him? I thought he was supposed to be in the first movie! I wish they'd find a part for him!

For Narcissa - I think I said the same a couple of times in version one (or so) of this thread, but Kristin Scot Thomas is both British, AND comes with this really aristrocratic, poised look. Age-wise, she could perfectly make Tom Felton's mum and Jason Isaacs' wife.

And if I don't mess it up like usual, here ought to come the link -

http://www.iif.hu:8080/articles/films/images/angolb/3.jpg


As for Rik Mayall - yep, that's the one. Maybe they include Peeves in DH?

Not remember his name?! Are you kidding me? Who do you think is going to watch these films? Not my mum, to be sure! And among my friends, there a quite a lot who didn't read the books, but even they are totally up to date concerning the entire background department (because they'll bug you after watching the respective movie, asking all sorts of questions like 'what about this Lupin guy? so they were all buddies in school, right? what -')

Draco was not too important to the plot lines of the first five movies. But he is Harry's main antagonist in HBP. I found that a problem with GoF - if I hadn't known the books, I'd have gone out of the cinema totally clueless like - 'who was that bloke...? where did he come from, for goodness' sake?! and why? and - what the -



You've hit on a point which I really agree with. It being that the majority of people who watch the movies are fans of the books. I dont personally know anyone who just watches the movies anymore, and of those that started that way, they soon stopped after PoA because it became too confusing. This is why I get ticked off when they introduce new characters out of the blue or in the wrong places.
Not to be a stickler for canon but I also dislike when actors misinterpret the character in some way such as Barty Crouch Jr. being menacing and having that annoying facial tick (where as in the book he was shown to be a very frightened, young, innocent looking young man)

As for Narcissa, she is an interesting mixture, a supporter of LV, cold and severe towards Harry's crowd yet she breaks down and cries over her son in Spinners End.

As for Rik Mayall - yep, that's the one. Maybe they include Peeves in DH?

But they apparently didn't even film Peeves for PS -- at least there aren't any deleted scenes. So what would be the point of including him at this late date? Talk about confusing the non-reading fans! And he might not even appear in the book!

maybe I'm imagining things, but I'm dead sure I've seen a picture of him for PS

so let me put it like this, perhaps a bit less misunderstandable - if you tried to cut Draco from HBP altogether, you'd have no plot left.

You would still have several plots.

A. Voldemort's secrets/horcruxes (the main plot)
B. Whose side is Snape on?
C. Harry choosing Ginny and choosing to break up with her
D. Ron and Hermione

That is far more than the vast majority of films, more even than romcoms which turn on romantic choices and the standard misunderstandings.

You've hit on a point which I really agree with. It being that the majority of people who watch the movies are fans of the books.

The facts do not support your argument. Very rough figures: 8 million copies of HBP shipped in N. America (and many will never be read). Tickets to GoF sold in NA: 45 million.

Wimsey has the stats.

This is true of all films. The vast majority of ticket buyers have not read/seen the source material, whether that is a play, a classic novel, a modern novel or a comic book.

Crouch Jnr is a nutcase in the book and he was presented as a nutcase in the film. He is a very, very thin character and the actor had the right to interpret him in any way to bring him to limited life.

You have the right to dislike that interpretation of course.

You would still have several plots.

A. Voldemort's secrets/horcruxes (the main plot)
that's dealt with mostly by memory flashbacks. Nice to read, all right in film if careful used. And Harry going after Slughorn can't fill a movie.


B. Whose side is Snape on? Would you agree that this is closely linked to Draco's story though (like the conversation at the Christmas party etc.)


C. Harry choosing Ginny and choosing to break up with her
D. Ron and Hermione Oh, come on! :lol: If I want to see a romance mainly, I'll check out Meg Ryan's next flick!


8 million copies of HBP shipped in N. America (and many will never be read). Tickets to GoF sold in NA: 45 million. Of course one has to calculate how many fans watch the film multiple times (I watched GoF four times in cinema), AND the parents accompanying their children because mum's got that thing for Alan Rickman... No, seriously, I think 8 million copies to 45 million watchers is a common quota

that's dealt with mostly by memory flashbacks. Nice to read, all right in film if careful used. And Harry going after Slughorn can't fill a movie.

I never said it could, but it is a fact that Voldemort and the horcruxes constitutes the main plot of HBP. That is the way Rowling wrote it. If you don't like it - that is unfortunate.


Of course one has to calculate how many fans watch the film multiple times (I watched GoF four times in cinema), AND the parents accompanying their children because mum's got that thing for Alan Rickman... No, seriously, I think 8 million copies to 45 million watchers is a common quota

Much research has been done by the film industry on audiences, demographics, etc. Even the most popular films get no more than 5% of "returners". You may be serious in your belief that 8/45 is a "common quota" but no industry analyst would agree with you. They base their views on data.

I never said it could, but it is a fact that Voldemort and the horcruxes constitutes the main plot of HBP. That is the way Rowling wrote it. If you don't like it - that is unfortunate.
I like it tremendously, that's why I joined a fan forum. I thought were talking about the 'filmability'?


Much research has been done by the film industry on audiences, demographics, etc. Even the most popular films get no more than 5% of "returners". You may be serious in your belief that 8/45 is a "common quota" but no industry analyst would agree with you. They base their views on data.
I'm not very serious, indeed, no. The researchers do their jobs, and I'm sure they're terrific in doing so. I'm here on the forums to enjoy myself, and to distract myself from the unbearable tension before DH comes out :lol:


But seriously. I've watched the first Spiderman movie only once, never read the comics etc, missed II and went to watch III then. Nonetheless I recognised all the characters again. Do you think that's different with other movies? I don't think the audience needs a constant re-introducion of characters just so they won't 'forget' (to illustrate what I mean - Harry's backstory and so on isn't mentioned over and over again in the previous movies either, still they've found their huge audience effortlessly)

maybe I'm imagining things, but I'm dead sure I've seen a picture of him for PS

Could have been an early promotional or design shot. His part could have been shot and ditched before any digital work was done explaining why it doesn't make the deleted reel.

I don't know why but I always imagine Scrimmy as looking like Graeme Garden.

yes, I suppose that's it. Before snapes_witch said he wasn't in the movie (including the deleted scenes) I was dead sure still, but on a second thought... I think it was only a photo of him in a magazine announcing he'd be in PS

Hello all! I'm new, so I hope this is the right place to put this. I haven't found my way around the forum yet. But I was just reading Half-Blood Prince and the part where Dumbledor and Harry are looking through the memories. I was wondering if they were going to bring Christan Coulson back to play Tom Riddle in the movie. I think he did a good job as Tom in Chamber of Secrets and I think it would be cool to keep the same actor. Coulson could do three or four of the memories (up to where the fat lady shows Tom the cup and locket, then after that memory Ralph Finnes could take over) Finnes isn't young enough to do the ones at school and all. It might be too early for Half-Blood movie news, but has anything been heard about Tom in the next movie?

imdb says that Christian Coulson is 'rumoured' to do Tom Riddle.


oh, and by the way :welcome:

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, and i haven't checked this, but are Tonks and Bellatrix going to be in the order of the pheonix? They have fairly important parts in the order of the pheonix.

yep, they're both there. In the trailers, in the preview bits. and they do have those lovely lines, too ;)

I don't know, but the actor cast to play Kingsly Shacklebolt, just doesn't fit, I thinks his name's George Harris? He doesn't give off the kind of Persona I got from reading OoTP, I know he's American, but I think Michael Clark Duncan wouldve pulled it off good, especially with his deep voice and slow drawl, But too late now!

Well, I saw Lenny Henry in the part :lol:

Well, I saw Lenny Henry in the part :lol:
According to IMDb, he was the shrunken head. :wow:

you're right! Blimey! Well, I didn't recognise him instantly ;)

clive owen attended the premiere,could that be a sign?
someone on leaky said david twelis attended the CoS premiere and imelda Staunton attended the GoF premiere.

The problem is that i don't see a role for him.

Clive Owen is too young for the Scrimgeour I have in my head, but on the other hand I can picture him in the role of a determined leader

I don't know, but the actor cast to play Kingsly Shacklebolt, just doesn't fit, I thinks his name's George Harris? He doesn't give off the kind of Persona I got from reading OoTP!
I know exactly what you mean, but I get the impression (none of the photos show him smiling or terrifically emotional) that he is playing perfecto but enigmatic (ie he's a spy for MOM on the Order - very effective but not emotional). I'll have to see how it works out. It is a mystery to me how some of the parts are cast.

I want to see how Dawlish works out too. It occured to me that they could make him look like a buffoon, like Clouseau, because Dumbledore evades & hexes him so much. It could be very funny - but in my mind he's an effective and loyal agent - the cream of British law enforcement.

Clive Owen is too young for the Scrimgeour I have in my head, but on the other hand I can picture him in the role of a determined leader
I think they need someone who can convey the cynicism of power - it doesn't matter if you are the chosen one, just that people think you are.
The cold manipulativeness. To me that's the essential part.

I think they need someone who can convey the cynicism of power - it doesn't matter if you are the chosen one, just that people think you are.
The cold manipulativeness. To me that's the essential part.

Yes, it is. But I can truly picture Clive Owen doing that as well; did you happen to see him in Gosford Park? He can do cynical :cool:

In the new interview with Jonathan Ross (http://mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1059) Jonathan mentions Bob not being in any of the movies, and Bob replies by saying that JKR said she'd write a part for him. They then question Jo who says 'Oh no, I haven't. But now that I think of it there is someone he could play' or something of that sort, I know I probably got that wrong.

I personally think he would be an OK Slughorn, but since it's someone we haven't met, who do you think it could be? Maybe a death eater or someone who knows something about the Horcruxes?

I thought of Rufus Scrimgeour.
Ever since watching 'wind in the willows' over xmas I think Matt Lucas would be great as Slughorn...he has the figure for it and the over the top campness

Hi everyone Im new (so be kind). When I read the "Other Minister" chapter I pictured the other minister as Griff Rhys Jones and Rufus as Jeremy Irons. Any thoughts?

Jerem Irons would be fantastic, too :tu:

I know this is totally unrelated but i just found a still of keacher!!!

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0373889/Ss/0373889/00353rv2.jpg.html?hint=tt0373889

I thought I'd ask... I wonder why there isn't a discussion about Stanislav Ianevsky, since there is one about Clemence Poesy?

So I guess you must have read this news...So who do you think they will be playing;

New Characters?
The Children Voldemort tortured?
The young versions of Fred and George?
Or the disguised Crabbe and Goyle (Polyjuice potion)?

hmmm what are your thoughts?

I haven't heard this news, Ash. Do you have a link?

So I guess you must have read this news...So who do you think they will be playing;

New Characters?
The Children Voldemort tortured?
The young versions of Fred and George?
Or the disguised Crabbe and Goyle (Polyjuice potion)?

hmmm what are your thoughts?
Why a young version of Fred and George?

does anyone have a link to this news???

any yeah why a young version of gred and forge???

I was reading the beginning of HBP the other night, and thought to myself that Alan Rickman would make a good Scrimgeour. Oops.

I was reading the beginning of HBP the other night, and thought to myself that Alan Rickman would make a good Scrimgeour. Oops.

I know that problem. In my head, Ludo Bagman is Kenneth Branagh :)

i think here is the link;

http://hpana.com/news.20081.html

They will play twin characters...so thats why i thought that may be Fred and George.

Edit: Just read that one of them is a girl (Katie Head), so I can rule out the Weasley twins.

Edit: Just read that one of them is a girl (Katie Head), so I can rule out the Weasley twins.

In that case, we can assume with some safety that they're cast to play one baby, probably Harry. Very small children in movies are often played by twins (and when they're VERY small still, it doesn't matter if boy or girl as long as they look nearly identical) because the restrictions to work with a baby are so strict that they usually need two children to be able filming

In that case, we can assume with some safety that they're cast to play one baby, probably Harry. Very small children in movies are often played by twins (and when they're VERY small still, it doesn't matter if boy or girl as long as they look nearly identical) because the restrictions to work with a baby are so strict that they usually need two children to be able filming

They cannot be playing babies because the are 11 year olds.

They cannot be playing babies because the are 11 year olds.

It's a... Very - large baby... No, all right, you've crashed me there :lol:

It's a... Very - large baby... No, all right, you've crashed me there :lol:
:lol::lol::lol:

Naomi Watts is confirmed to be playing Narcissa. There's a link on Mugglenet.


I never imagined that Naomi Watts would be Narcissa Malfoy. I am excited that she's going to play her. I never seen her as a "bad" character before so I'm hoping she will do good.

i like the idea of matt lucas as slughorn!! from watching little britain you can see the difference a wig and some fake eyebrows can make!

I think the two actors i would love to see in parts are christopher lee and Jeremy Irons they are both so good.

I hope Stewart Townsend plays Bill. Stewart Townshend + fang earring + long hair = :tu:

Or he could play Scrimgeour or Fenrir. But make it Bill, please be Bill. :D

Naomi Watts is Australian though - doesn't that go against Jo's all British policy?

She was born in the UK, if I'm not mistaken. And if you're going to break the policy, better to do it with an Australian, at least there's a greater correlation between British and Australian accents than British and American ones.
That said, I think she's well cast, at least as far as the looks go. Try imagining her as a sister to Bellatrix...
What I'm actually itching to know is, who are the two characters that Joseph Fiennes and Stuart Townsend will be playing? They both seem a tad old for Bill, and if they did feature Bill in the story they'd have to bring Fleur back, necessitating Clémence Poésy's return... one guess could be a young Riddle, if you used a heavy haze like we saw inSnape's Worst Memory in the OotP movie. Or wait, if they did show us Tom Riddle Senior, maybe...unless they do something like play Marvolo and Morfin.

Probably will me Marvolo and Morfin, but then again, anyone could play Marvolo and Morfin because so much makeup and imagery will probably be used..

Yay! Stuart Townsend! He's awesome!

I can see him playing Tom Riddle Senior in a flashback more than I can see him playing Bill though.

...Stuart Townsend and Harry Potter....wow.....I never would have expected that. :D

Yes, but we don't really see Riddle Senior in the book itself, only hear his voice- which makes me doubtful about whether we'll see him in the film or not, they tend to trim rather than add characters to the narrative..

I've already started a new thread for the casting of Horace Slughorn. I can see one of the following being cast in that part:

Jim Broadbent
Bernard Hill
Brian Blessed

But, i really THINK the Producers should rescind the "All English" casting rule and cast the following actor as Slughorn:

David Ogden Stiers

Old Horrace, hmmmm, I know its completely out of the question, but in all seriouisness, Sir Sean Connery would make an excelent slughorn.

:tu:Brian Blessed is a great idea for Slughorn, firstlensman!

:tu:Brian Blessed is a great idea for Slughorn, firstlensman!

hadn't even thought of him, but yeah, he'd be really good.

still, my money's on bob hoskins for slughorn. jk almost said so in that interview before the movie came out and they were on the same show.

plus, hoskins is shorter than blessed (I checked!).

u know, it's so funny about movies. i always thought blessed was like six foot ten cause he's always playing these huge guys. but he's only 5'9"!!

don't like bernard hill for slughorn.

here's who i think:

narcissa naomi watts
slughorn bob hoskins
scrimgeour bill nighy
bill weasly paul bettany

It's confirmed. Naomi Watts recently signed to be Narcissa Black Malfoy, Draco's beautiful mother. Sister to Bellatrix Black Lestrange and Andromeda Black Tonks.

Naomi will give birth to a baby girl next month.

Naomi Watts it's known to act on movies like:
The Ring, The Ring 2, King Kong.

No doubt, she will be the PERFECT NARCISSA

Wasn't that Naomi Watts as Narcissa debunked as a rumour?

Naomi Watts is Australian though - doesn't that go against Jo's all British policy?

Born in the UK Naomi Watts has dual citizenship.

Lately I've been thinking Daniel Craig would make a good Scrimgeour.

Wasn't that Naomi Watts as Narcissa debunked as a rumour?

Thats what it said on Mugglenet...

Bob Hoskins NEEDS to play Horace Slughorn. And I'm sure he'll be the first one the producers go to for the part.

Rufus Scrimgeour should be played by Bill Nighy. He's expressed interest in having a role in the Harry Potter series, and David Yates has worked with him before, so who knows.

I'm hoping Naomi Watts will play Narcissa Malfoy.

I had a great idea for who could play Amycus Carrow...David Schofield. He played Mr. Mercer (Beckett's right-hand man) in Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest and At World's End. Plus he looks like he'd be a good Death Eater. Granted, it'd only be a small part in HBP, but it would be expanded in Deathly Hallows.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Mercerpirate.JPG

I think Billy Connolly should be cast to play the role of Rufus Scrimgeour.
If you look at Billy Connolly he is the perfect description of Rufus even the
voice. What do you guys think???:D

Oh my God. He looks just like Scrimgeour. He'd get my vote any day. :tu:

Oh my goodness. Yes! I never even thought of him as Scrimgeour! He would be the best person to play him =]