OotP Movie Discussion

I agree. I thought it was a good line. It was sad. Sirius was living in the past throughout OOTP. He was trying to live through the trio (as Hermione points out to Harry), he was lonely, and he was constantly reminded of his life as a 15-year-old because he had to live in 12 Grimmauld Place again. He was also pretty unstable and rushed into battle trying to escape his isolation. The last time he would have fought would be 14 years previously, before going to Azkaban. He may have fought alongside James many times and he was simply caught up in the moment and his past. Harry is almost an exact physical copy of his father and Sirius' mind slipped a bit and he thought he had his best friend back. What makes it sadder is that it was just before he died and even until the very end he missed his best friend.

Not to mention, in the book, their is the whole discussion of Sirius thinking Harry was James and he is living like James is back (*tear* :upset: ). I thought that the whole "James!" line referring to Harry was great!

Did anyone else notice that in the Order photo scene with Neville and Harry, Dumbledore turns to look searchingly at Wormtail, who is looking rather melancholy and turns slightly towards DD with a frightened look on his face, before Dumbledore looks back at the camera? I thought that was a great little detail, and I'm surprised they bothered to get Timothy Spall to be in the photo. David Thewlis' hair in the photo was hilarious as well. The more I watch the film, the more I notice these little things. like DD sitting on his desk before he escapes, which I thought was a reference to the bit in the first book where Dumbledore is sitting on one of the desks by the Mirror of Erised, watching Harry. Sure, the film is no POA, but there is more character detail than I previously thought.

The begining of the movie with the whole dry grass thing that made you feel like you were in Africa with the lions, the demented dudley before the dementors even got to him, the tunnel that they get attacked in that looked like a city alley, to the suburb houses they came to, and the dursley odd/bad acting was bad. The setting looked so different and the dementors, that it made me think if this was a harry potter movie.
I got the same feeling when the movie just started. I even thought that probably the DVD was wrong, till I saw Harry... I imagined these first scenes TOTALLY different! And Dementors?! What the hell with them?! I really didn't like the begining at all :no:
And further, when the Order got Harry, HOW they flew?! How was it possible for them to fly like this?! :grumble: The other scenes are changing each other at quite mad speed.... And I didn't like how Umbridge and her Inquisitorial Squad got into the Room of Requirement.

Also I didn't really like Lupin in this movie - imho, but he looked like he had hangover or something...

But I totally loved Gary Oldman's Sirius!!!! :love: :love: He was awesome!!! :love:

I was soo lookin forward to Dumbledore talking to Harry about the prophercy but it didn't come :(
Me too! The conversation between Dumbledore and Harry was TOO short and didn't explain much :no: I was quite disappointed.

OoTP is nominated for film of the year!! :clap:

You can place your vote here (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movieawards/index.html) :D

ok, I totally forgot this part in the movie until now so I have to mention it. I absolutley love it just before Ron and Hermione duel when Neville is walking back and forth awkwardly like he doesn't know where to go...soooo funny!:lol:

Did anyone else notice that in the Order photo scene with Neville and Harry, Dumbledore turns to look searchingly at Wormtail, who is looking rather melancholy and turns slightly towards DD with a frightened look on his face, before Dumbledore looks back at the camera? I thought that was a great little detail, and I'm surprised they bothered to get Timothy Spall to be in the photo. David Thewlis' hair in the photo was hilarious as well. The more I watch the film, the more I notice these little things. like DD sitting on his desk before he escapes, which I thought was a reference to the bit in the first book where Dumbledore is sitting on one of the desks by the Mirror of Erised, watching Harry. Sure, the film is no POA, but there is more character detail than I previously thought.

I didn't even notice Wormtail in the photo until my 4th viewing last night. I like the look he gives James.

the posession scene is by far my favorite! It's not like the book but it depicts everything harry potter is about in one scene. Everytime I see it, I ball!

Also, I loved how dumbledore looked incredibly impressive when he made entrances. Especially through the fire. You are completley scared of voldemort untill dumbledore arrives...sooo cool! Everytime I see that I grin evilly :evil:. With the fireworks, I seriously get the erge to laugh and cheer so loud but I can't! Granted, I did do that with everyone at the midnight show, but you can't do that any other time! I also want to go 'ha!' or 'BAM!' when sirius says "get away from my godson!" SMACK! It's so kick ***! Everytime I see this movie, the more I love it!
I saw it yesterday in the dollar theater and for some reason it was better than watching it in the summer! Does anybody agree? It seems like potter movies are better in the fall and I don't know why. It's like I have harry potter fever that always seems to roll around nov. and dec. It's like watching a christmas movie in the summer, it's just not as good. I'm so used to seeing potter movies in the fall that they seem BETTER in the fall. Do you know what I mean?

I agree that the HP movies feel more like fall movies than summer ones. I think it's because films released in the fall seem to be allowed more leeway in terms of length than your average summer blockbuster, which to me would make the fall the best time for a Harry Potter film, as they tend to have pretty packed narratives. (I don't think it's any coincidence that PoA and OotP are the two shortest in the series.)

Oh, and I too totally missed Wormtail in the Order photo on my two theatrical viewings (Shame I live in the US, where we don't get the DVD 'til December. :grumble:)

did anyone else notice that when harry and cho had their kiss scene, when everyone was leaving Ginny says to Harry 'bye, Harry or that was great harry something like that and then turns to leave, only to stop by the door to glance behind and look at harry and cho with a bit of a :( .... did anyone else notice that? Do you think it has intentionally been put in, with the whole HBP romance?

did anyone else notice that when harry and cho had their kiss scene, when everyone was leaving Ginny says to Harry 'bye, Harry or that was great harry something like that and then turns to leave, only to stop by the door to glance behind and look at harry and cho with a bit of a :( .... did anyone else notice that? Do you think it has intentionally been put in, with the whole HBP romance?
Yes, it was noticed. I am sure it was intentional.

[QUOTE=yoshi2542;4797804] David Thewlis' hair in the photo was hilarious as well.QUOTE]

Ha ha i noticed that, i paused to look at the orer photo in more detail and i was like omg thats Lupin with the funny hair :lol:

im upset about a couple things in the movie, such as umbrige and co getting into the RoR by breaking open a wall....kinda doesn't make sense due to its use in DH....
and they wasted too much screen time on umbrige and her decrees( i vaguely remember a decree that said students could not be within 3 feet of each other or something? what was that?)
im upset over lack of rooms in the DoM - like i stated in another thread, another 3 minutes could have covered most of the battle in the book and it would have been complete chaos, which is what is supposed to happen

the prophecy explanation didn't quite cut it for me

is it just me or do they always seem to cut out the most vital parts of the book?

the beginning really annoyed me...they were in africa clearly
i was mega dissapointed by fred and george's escape scene....the mood didnt seem right... or something...i cant figure it out, but it just didnt work

however i do think overall they captured the mood perfectly, specially in the DoM and DDs office, despite the shortness of the scene

im upset about a couple things in the movie, such as umbrige and co getting into the RoR by breaking open a wall....kinda doesn't make sense due to its use in DH....
and they wasted too much screen time on umbrige and her decrees( i vaguely remember a decree that said students could not be within 3 feet of each other or something? what was that?)
im upset over lack of rooms in the DoM - like i stated in another thread, another 3 minutes could have covered most of the battle in the book and it would have been complete chaos, which is what is supposed to happen
Some of these things had to be cut or changed simply due to time or the difficulty in having to explain things in film format rather than in text. I would think that was the case with the rooms in the DoM - which in reality didn't actually add anything to the overall plot.

The decrees were a quick way of establishing Umbridge's officiousness rather than through multiple lessons scenes as we saw in the book. The Americanisms that were slipped into some of the decrees annoyed me more than the prudishness one.

The film-makers can't really be blamed for not knowing about the RoR's importance to DH as it hadn't come out when OotP was scripted. As it was, the important part was that someone had needed to betray the RoR's use (Cho in this case) not so much that Umbridge could have entered at any time with that concocted-especially-for-the-films Bombarda spell.

the prophecy explanation didn't quite cut it for me
I don't think it did in the book either. I would have liked to have seen more of that scene left in (there was more of it in a deleted scene).

is it just me or do they always seem to cut out the most vital parts of the book?
The only bits they might regret leaving out are the cleaning of Grimmauld Place, the mention of Regulus and Lily in Snape's Worst Memory. Other than that, I can't think of vital bits that were cut out.

the beginning really annoyed me...they were in africa clearly
I don't know what you mean here, the beginning of OotP was supposed to be set in a heatwave-stricken Surrey. I wasn't convinced of the location of the play park - I can't think why you'd build one in the middle of a farmer's field.

Some of these things had to be cut or changed simply due to time or the difficulty in having to explain things in film format rather than in text. I would think that was the case with the rooms in the DoM - which in reality didn't actually add anything to the overall plot.

The decrees were a quick way of establishing Umbridge's officiousness rather than through multiple lessons scenes as we saw in the book. The Americanisms that were slipped into some of the decrees annoyed me more than the prudishness one.

The film-makers can't really be blamed for not knowing about the RoR's importance to DH as it hadn't come out when OotP was scripted. As it was, the important part was that someone had needed to betray the RoR's use (Cho in this case) not so much that Umbridge could have entered at any time with that concocted-especially-for-the-films Bombarda spell.


I don't think it did in the book either. I would have liked to have seen more of that scene left in (there was more of it in a deleted scene).


The only bits they might regret leaving out are the cleaning of Grimmauld Place, the mention of Regulus and Lily in Snape's Worst Memory. Other than that, I can't think of vital bits that were cut out.


I don't know what you mean here, the beginning of OotP was supposed to be set in a heatwave-stricken Surrey. I wasn't convinced of the location of the play park - I can't think why you'd build one in the middle of a farmer's field.

i didn't mean just the OOTP book and movie, when i made the comment about them cutting out vital parts of the book, i meant in general when they make them into movies( lack of maurader explanation, lack of priori incantatum explanation, lack of prophecy explanation)

i didn't mean just the OOTP book and movie, when i made the comment about them cutting out vital parts of the book, i meant in general when they make them into movies( lack of maurader explanation, lack of priori incantatum explanation, lack of prophecy explanation)

None of these are vital, or even slightly important.

None of these are vital, or even slightly important.

Actually much as I loved the OOTP movie, I don't think it succeeded in clueing in, the non - book readers viewers. My friend, who is very intelligent and very knowledgeable when it comes to film, could not follow what, Tonks, Kercher, the Snape/James scene, or the prophecy was all about; there was a complete lack of explanation. I don't blame Yates, or the scriptwriter though; I think they made a very good film.

However OOTP is not a good book; rambles, repetitive, confused in places, badly edited, and badly paced. Thankfully HBP is a much better book: better written, edited and paced, so I think this movie will be a resounding success. Unfortunately hardcore fans are going to be disappointed, with parts, because they can't include everything, and a lot of things will be dealt with, and presented differently on screen.

None of these are vital, or even slightly important.


i dont understand how those are "not slightly important"
priori incantatem is the entire reason that voldemort searches for the elder wand for 70% of DH( the other 30% he actually has the wand)

the prophecy exaplanation i would say is pretty important as well, as thats what the entire point of voldemort getting the prophecy from the ministry is(as well as half the audience who doenst read the books has no idea whats going on)

the marauders arent so important to the overall plot of harry potter as a whole, however they are pretty important in POA (but more so it needs to be explained because once again, half the audience is clueless and missing quite a chunk of backstory)

now, if you want to argue that those scenes are "not slightly important" then im going to ask you what would you consider important in the first 5 books?

I think they can make up for their omissions in this film in the next two. They've been doing okay thus far. I really enjoyed all the new cast members. I loved how the movie flowed. I felt like the overall mood of the book was faithfully portrayed. I also liked the foreshadowing this movie contained and I think it led nicely into things that will happen in HBP. I really could do without so many people complaining about Michael Gambon, the man isn't going anywhere so I suggest you get used to it. ******* and moaning really won't change that.

i dont understand how those are "not slightly important"
priori incantatem is the entire reason that voldemort searches for the elder wand for 70% of DH( the other 30% he actually has the wand)

They don't need that explanation for the film; an explanation that Voldemort wants it because it is 'unbeatable' will suffice.
the prophecy exaplanation i would say is pretty important as well, as thats what the entire point of voldemort getting the prophecy from the minis
try is(as well as half the audience who doenst read the books has no idea whats going on)

That was something that was woefully dealt with in the film.

I don't blame Yates, or the scriptwriter though; I think they made a very good film.

Who, then, is to blame? Rupert? Emma? Seriously, if a reasonably intelligent person cannot follow the plot, then the writer and the director must take the blame. In this case, pointless characters were introduced, leading to confusion.


However OOTP is not a good book; rambles, repetitive, confused in places, badly edited, and badly paced.

All this is true, but that does not mean that the film has to replicate these errors, any more than The Godfather (film) had to replicate the errors of the potboiler novel (it didn't). A good film can be made from poor raw material, whether novel, short story, play or comic book. And the opposite applies also.


Thankfully HBP is a much better book: better written, edited and paced, so I think this movie will be a resounding success.

Again, these qualities of the book are only relevant in that HBP provides better raw material for the film-makers. They can still muck up if they include too much filler, adopt a sluggish pace, or commit any other number of film-making crimes.


Unfortunately hardcore fans are going to be disappointed, with parts, because they can't include everything, and a lot of things will be dealt with, and presented differently on screen.

That's their problem. If they haven't grasped the difference between books and films after five goes, they'll never understand. The film-makers should ignore them completely. Offering sops and nods to fans - "Oh! Let's include Shacklebolt!" only clutters the film up and weakens it.

Who, then, is to blame? Rupert? Emma? Seriously, if a reasonably intelligent person cannot follow the plot, then the writer and the director must take the blame. In this case, pointless characters were introduced, leading to confusion.

Well they were told to include Kreacher, and the rest I really put down to timing. Yes, they do include a lot from the books, because they, and/or want to keep the fans happy, and because they, the stories (scenes), as outlined in the books, are generally very good. Yates is a good filmmaker and I've always enjoyed the things he has done (State of Play, My family and other animals etc). The problem is that they felt they had to include certain people/things, because they are important in later films, but there was too much and they didn't pull it all off.

Again, these qualities of the book are only relevant in that HBP provides better raw material for the film-makers. They can still muck up if they include too much filler, adopt a sluggish pace, or commit any other number of film-making crimes.

I doubt they will make the same mistakes; like I said I think Yates is a very good filmmaker. There were a lot if issues that are to blame, for some of the failings of OOTP. It wasn’t sluggish however, and it really didn’t include filler. If it had been 15 minutes longer: the prophecy could have been explained fully, and the James/Snape Pensieve scene portrayed in a much better manner; thus irradiating two of its short comings.

That's their problem. If they haven't grasped the difference between books and films after five goes, they'll never understand. The film-makers should ignore them completely. Offering sops and nods to fans - "Oh! Let's include Shacklebolt!" only clutters the film up and weakens it.

Oh if only life was that simple.

1: Dudley Demented = 1: Dudley Demented
2: A Peck of Owls, 3: The Advance Guard = 2: The Advanced Guard
4: Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place = 3: The Order of the Phoenix
5: The Order of the Phoenix = 4: The Weapon
6: The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black - Moved to 18: The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black
7: The Ministry of Magic = 5: The Ministry of Magic
8: The Hearing = 6: The Hearing
9: The Woes of Mrs Weasley , 10: Luna Lovegood = 7:Original Order of the Phoenix
10: Luna Lovegood = 7:Original Order of the Phoenix, 8: Luna Lovegood
11: The Sorting Hat's New Song = 9: Ministry Interference
12: Professor Umbridge = 10: Professor Umbridge
13: Detention with Dolores = 11: Detention with Dolores
14: Percy and Padfoot = 12: Thestrals and other chapters.
15: The Hogwarts High Inquistor = 13: The Hogwarts High Inquistor
16: In the Hog's Head = 14: A Proper Teacher
17: Educational Decree Number Twenty-Four 18: Dumbledore's Army = 15: Dumbledore's Army
19: The Lion and the Serpent - Cut
20: Hagrid's Tale - Moved to 19: Hagrid's Tale
21: The Eye of the Snake = 16:The Kiss, 17: Occlumency (And moved to 12: Thestrals)
22: St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries, 23: Christmas on the Closed Ward - Cut (Parts in 18: The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black)
24: Occlumency - Moved to 17: Occlumency
25: The Beetle at Bay, 27: The Centaur and the Sneak = 20: Darkness Takes Over
26: Seen and Unforeseen - Moved to 13: The Hogwarts High Inquistor
28: Snape's Worst Memory = 22: Snape's Worst Memory
29: Career's Advice - Moved to 23: Fireworks
30: Grawp - Moved to 21: Grawp
31: O.W.L.s = 23: Fireworks
32: Out of the Fire = 24: Out of the Fire
33: Fight and Flight = 25: Fight and Flight
34: The Department of Mysteries = 26 : The Department of Mysteries, 27: The Hall of Prophecy
35: Beyond the Veil = 28: Beyond the Veil
36: The Only One He Ever Feared = 29: The Only One He Ever Feared
37 = The Lost Prophecy = 30: The Lost Prophecy
38 = The Second War Begins = 31: Loved Ones and Leaving

PS I made up the movie chapter titles as there was no list with the DVD

[QUOTE=RiotGrrrl;4854359]I think they can make up for their omissions in this film in the next two. They've been doing okay thus far. I really enjoyed all the new cast members. I loved how the movie flowed. I felt like the overall mood of the book was faithfully portrayed. I also liked the foreshadowing this movie contained and I think it led nicely into things that will happen in HBP.QUOTE]

I LOVED the new cast members!!! Luna could not be portrayed more accurately to me, and Bellatrix was put on quite nicely, just the perfect amount of insanity!!!

I actually enjoyed the Order of the Phoenix book - it happens to be my favorite in the series. That said, I think the movie was made quite well. Though I would have liked it more if there were more scenes where Ron actually speaks up - (DVD spoiler ahead) there is a deleted scene where Ron tries to talk to Harry after the MoM battle and I wish they'd left it in the movie, it was very sweet - - becuase in my opinion Rupert Grint is the best actor of the trio and his lack of screen time is annoying.

Both Emma and Daniel have improved greatly as actors - I haven't cringed (maybe a tinny wince here and there) at their acting since POA, so that has to be a good thing.

The casting was excellent - Luna, Umbridge and Bellatrix were perfectly portrayed.

I also wish they had put in Quidditch - I understand why they couldn't, it would have been time consuming - but they should, perhaps, have mentioned Quidditch or the changes to the team (Ron, etc) so that people would actually realize that the sport has not fallen off the face of the earth. Does this mean there won't be any Quidditch next movie?

And Harry's "destruction" of Dumbledore's office. I liked that part in the book. The prophecy explanation scene was a tad too short...

Michael Gambon doesn't really bother me - but I wish he wouldn't yell at the students. Dumbledore doesn't yell.

And finally - the fact that the Prophecy just started spewing its contents as soon as Harry touched it... hello? Ginny, Neville and Luna aren't suppose to know about the Prophecy ever and Ron and Hermione don't find out till HBP... did only Harry hear that thing speak, or did the entire group?

Was there a little bit of Priori Incantatum between Dumbledore and Voldemort? Because that wouldn't make sense at all. I think it was just extremely fast, amazing dueling but my sister insists it was Priori Incantatum. :/

And last thing: Cho. She may be over-dramatic and too loyal to her girl-friends, but why in the world did they make it seem like she had given the DA away? The only way she could have told Umbridge was under the influence of Veritaserum - and since Umbridge apparently had ALL students taking it, Harry could have just as easily given them away too. And if it was under Veritaserum, then no one should have been angry at Cho. In the books it's Marietta, and it should have remained Marietta, there was really no point in making Cho seem like a snitch. I LIKE Cho! *cries* But honestly. Anyway, I wanted to see Hermione's great spell. :p

And last thing: Cho. She may be over-dramatic and too loyal to her girl-friends, but why in the world did they make it seem like she had given the DA away? The only way she could have told Umbridge was under the influence of Veritaserum - and since Umbridge apparently had ALL students taking it, Harry could have just as easily given them away too. And if it was under Veritaserum, then no one should have been angry at Cho. In the books it's Marietta, and it should have remained Marietta, there was really no point in making Cho seem like a snitch. I LIKE Cho! *cries* But honestly. Anyway, I wanted to see Hermione's great spell. :p

If you like Cho, then I suppose you like her, but she has no character whatsoever in the book: she is there as a plot device: Harry's first crush. They fall out because she puts others before him. The film simplified this. As for how Veritaserum and other magical spells and devices work, now that we have got the whole picture through 7 books - very little makes sense and there is hardly any internal consistency. If Rowling can't be bothered with the internal workings of her world, why should the film-makers?

And finally - the fact that the Prophecy just started spewing its contents as soon as Harry touched it... hello? Ginny, Neville and Luna aren't suppose to know about the Prophecy ever and Ron and Hermione don't find out till HBP... did only Harry hear that thing speak, or did the entire group?


I thought this too! It wasn't until my fourth time viewing it that I realized that Harry picks up the prophecy, hears a little of it and then the next shot cuts to the DA with their wands raised looking at eachother confused. While they are looking at eachother, the prophecy isn't heard. In that little moment, I realized that they don't hear it and Harry is the only one that can because he is holding it. A little slip that could have been more clarified with a line of harry saying "do you hear it?" like in cos and then someone responding "hear what?" but alas...no.:relax:

That would have been repretitive with the Veil a few minutes later, so nah, they wouldn't do that.

OOTP was a beast of a movie to compress and edit. They did a fine job, all things considered.

The final scene with the battle between Voldemort and Dumbledore was fantastic, and if you haven't seen it in IMAX, I would highly recommend doing so if you can. In 3D that battle really comes to life and looks simply spectacular.

I was also really pleased with all of the casting in this film. Evanna Lynch, Helena Bonham Carter, and Imelda Stanton were simply brilliant in their new roles. I completely hated Umbridge, and she seemed so scary to me. Luna was perfectly dreamy and sweet-- a perfect addition to the cast. Bellatrix Lestrange was so unnervingly crazy and unhinged and was played to perfection by Bonham Carter.

Mmm, the casting of those three characters was pure genius. My favourite was definitely Bellatrix- HBC played her so well, I was in awe.
Evanna Lynch was utterly prefect- like you said, dreamy and sweet.

And that duel! Wow. Incredible. I love the line Kingsley said to Fudge after Dumbledore took off with Fawkes into hiding- what was it? "I know you don't agree with him, Minister, but you can't deny, Dumbledore's got style." :]

I think that the reason the OOTP film feels like it is pretty bare when compared to the other films is that, despite the book being the longest in the series in truth, once you strip away all the totally unnecessary padding and subplots that truly go nowhere when it concerns Harry himself who is the protagomist, the only true thread that needs to be explored is the Harry/Prophecy angle. And since that is basically what the whole OOTP book was about, it is indeed a let down to think that all this time is seemingly wasted on getting to something that is so damn logical anyway when you think about it as it is the main flow of ANY good/evil versus plots aka good guy can only defeat the bad dude in the end. It is a major anti climax for many because we all thought that JK would pull something different in the OOTP book, when in fact when the big reveal was revealed it was just something we had seen 100 times before.
As for Quidditch being played down in the subsequent films since PS, all I can think of is that if they had handled it better than they did in the first film, such as making it more exciting, involving for the audience and made it seem like such an intricate part of life at Hogwarts like it was in the books, Quidditch would have been granted a bit more respect in subsequent films.

I was dissapointed as well, but you have to take it for what it is. The book imo was one of the best. Dark, and hopeless, and made me keep reading because of all the subtleties. I thought that them leaving out the locket was crucial, they could have even shown Kreacher just putting it away somewhere. I thought that not mentioning umbrige sent the dementors really took away from the evil of her character. Yes she was going to use the cruciatis curse i understand, but she was at her breaking point at that time. (not that its justified, just saying) I also think there should have been more time devoted to the conversation between Harry and Sirius that took place in "The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black" Gary Oldman is way too good of an actor to be just barely used. Sirius got the shaft in these movies. BUT.....maybe JKR wanted the movies to be kinda different and very abridged so that people that dont read, run out and buy the books.

Quidditch would have been granted a bit more respect in subsequent films.


like azkaban, i think that seeing Harry turn and haul major butt from the top of the pitch down towards a speeding malfoy who is chasing the snitch, pass malfoy, and grab the snitch himself would have made audiences cheer. So azkaban should have definitely had the Gryffindor vs. Slytherin match.

I thought that them leaving out the locket was crucial, they could have even shown Kreacher just putting it away somewhere.

Why? Nobody will remember such a tiny detail in 2 years time.


I thought that not mentioning umbrige sent the dementors really took away from the evil of her character.

Show, don't tell. The audience had likely forgotten about the dementors, but they had been shown Umbridge torturing kids, including the very small boy comforted by the twins just before they rebelled (nice touch).

Gary Oldman is way too good of an actor to be just barely used. Sirius got the shaft in these movies.

More would have been nice, but Oldman was fine. The emphasis must be on the kids.

BUT.....maybe JKR wanted the movies to be kinda different and very abridged so that people that dont read, run out and buy the books.

I very much doubt if they will do that! Rowling's opinion is an interesting irrelevance. She has signed away the film rights.


like azkaban, i think that seeing Harry turn and haul major butt from the top of the pitch down towards a speeding malfoy who is chasing the snitch, pass malfoy, and grab the snitch himself would have made audiences cheer. So azkaban should have definitely had the Gryffindor vs. Slytherin match.

Only a declining number of book fans have even the slightest interest in this tiresome made-up sport, the inclusion of which damaged the first two films greatly.

The book imo was one of the best. The story was very good, but the book itself is quite poor: Rowling tacitly acknowledges this herself.
I thought that them leaving out the locket was crucial, they could have even shown Kreacher just putting it away somewhere. Why? Nobody will remember such a tiny detail in 2 years time.Indeed, I was surprised while watching the DVD to see just how much I had forgotten from just this July. (For example, I had largely forgotten just how much they did with Ginny!)
also think there should have been more time devoted to the conversation between Harry and Sirius that took place in "The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black" Gary Oldman is way too good of an actor to be just barely used. Sirius got the shaft in these movies.More would have been nice, but Oldman was fine. The emphasis must be on the kids.Having just rewatched it again, I thought that they did it perfectly. They really developed a relationship between Harry and Sirius, and it was really obvious why Harry was so upset at the end. More might have been nice from the Gary Oldman fan-club perspective (as a member of the Helena Bonham Carter fanclub, I can sort of relate.... :drool:), but a movie should not overtell. The time of the audience members is valuable, after all.
BUT.....maybe JKR wanted the movies to be kinda different and very abridged so that people that dont read, run out and buy the books.I very much doubt if they will do that! Rowling's opinion is an interesting irrelevance. She has signed away the film rights.More to te point, Rowling has made it pretty clear that she is interested in how well the movies communicate the story. She lauded Order for telling the story so well, and she was explicit about why: the movie captured the story about Harry's isolation and his emotions (especially anger) spawning from that. That was her story!
like azkaban, i think that seeing Harry turn and haul major butt from the top of the pitch down towards a speeding malfoy who is chasing the snitch, pass malfoy, and grab the snitch himself would have made audiences cheer. So azkaban should have definitely had the Gryffindor vs. Slytherin match.I think that the only thing one could do with Quidditch that would make audiences cheer is blow up the Quidditch field! Seriously, that Lead Zeppelin went over as well as Pod Races.....


As I noted, I just got done watching the DVD. I still rank Prisoner as the best Harry Potter movie. I still rank Goblet as my favorite Harry Potter movie. However, Order is, hands down, the best adaptation. Although it might be Rowling's most ambitious and challenging story, it is (unfortunately) her worst book. For those who do not understand what I mean, I refer you to the song "Mr. Tambourine Man": it is a wonderful piece of music, but Dylan's recording is dreadful. (I play a much better version myself!)

In particular, I really appreciated just how much isolation was both story and theme. The story is Harry's isolation, but we see it expressed so well in Sirius, Hagrid, Snape, Cho and (especially) Luna. In particular, I liked the way that they used Sirius, Hagrid and Luna to work the idea of last-remnant-of-family into the isolation theme: it is in the book, but I did not realize it until after watching the film this time around!

There are some wonderful symmetries around this. Harry stating that he'll go it alone because, if you care, then you have too much to lose culminates in the end with Voldemort telling him "he'll lose everything" and then Dumbledore telling Harry that he, like Sirius, Harry and Harry's friends, all cared so much.

I have read many times that Prince will take audiences by surprise because Ginny is not built up enough. I thought that this was off after watching the film in the theater, but I now realize just how wrong this statement is. Ginny was incredibly prominent: three times she is shown mastering the tough spell first and/or best, and she is the one who "Moria's" the Dept. of Mysteries. She's always there as part of the gang. And, of course, isn't that how it should be? It seems to me that 2 years ago, people were complaining that she came out of nowhere in Prince. She didn't: in both the book and the movie, Ginny is, if this contradiction makes sense, subtley prominent. That is, she does a lot of important things: but she always does it in a crowd, causing her to be somewhat lost in that crowd and taken for granted. Hmmm, isn't that exactly what Rowling wanted?

Biggest kudos go to Luna, again. I liked her in the theater, and I really liked her on the DVD. The actress was perfect: I do not know if she can act, but she can be Luna Lovegood! Even more important was how she was used: her conversation with Harry while feeding Thestrals basically was a succinct summary of the story dancing around in Dobby's tea cozzy!

Finally, I really appreciated the large number of visual links to the last two films. I noticed the linked wands and Bellatrix-mimicking-Sirius in the theater: but this time I noticed the locking doors, the pendulum, and several other visual analogs to Goblet and Prisoner. Also, the use of memories from those older films was a great way to provide a sense of continuity among them: remember, this is very rare in movie series, where most films pretend that prior films never happened, or even if they did, then the prequels are irrelevant.

The down parts? As I thought a few months ago, the pacing is too slow in the middle. A few scenes just take tooooo long..... There are too many characters. I mean, who is Lupin? They never identify him or give any connection between him and Harry. It should not have been too tough to have some flashback to Lupin from PoA that would remind the audience of who he is.

I was less down on Harry+Cho than I had been, but not by much. They simply do not develop it: it's just out-of-the-blue Harry fawning over her: when soooo much more is developed between Harry and Luna at that point. To be honest, more was developed between Harry & Ginny at that point! It would have taken only a few modifications: a "near miss" outside of the carriages, and another "near miss" interrupted by Trelawney getting sacked. A quick flashback at first sight of her to Harry asking her out in Goblet would have jogged some memory cells, too. (Reminding people of a very well done scene is never a bad idea, too!)

My hope is that Prince can be this focused on story and theme, and this focused on the important plots: but that is a faint one!

I still rank Prisoner as the best Harry Potter movie. I still rank Goblet as my favorite Harry Potter movie. However, Order is, hands down, the best adaptation.

You know what Wimsey? That's a pretty interesting way of putting it! I've been trying to figure out which one I like more. After rewatching OOTP I realize that I REALLY like the movie, but as a film Prisoner still has it beat. However you're right, as far as adaptations go Order does a really good job at it. As a movie I like it better than Goblet but not as much as Prisoner...but maybe that'll change lol

One thing I noticed about Order upon rewatching was how AMAZING the kids have grown as actors. Dan is at his best in this one and so is everyone else. Yes Emma is the weakest but she is MUCH better here than in GOF (imo that is) and I applaud Yates for making her do endless takes until she got it right (Which I'm sure made her mad, but now she appreciates it).

I noticed the throw backs to the previous movies when I 1st saw it and I loved how he did that. This movie really brings the series together aswell (From the photo of Harry's parents from POA, the locking doors, all the montages of previous scenes...etc) It really is a joy to watch this film. I think it looks GREAT actually. I was watching and I laughed because I didn't remember the film looking that good. I remember it being grainy (But maybe I was in a crappy theater lol)

Like I said I think Dan does emo Harry very well and even Grawp looks better than I remember (He looks more polished than before imo) The film does lag for a bit but the good thing is that it doesn't last for very long. Imelda Staunton was perfect casting as Umbridge and to watch her play this role with such excellence...*sigh*...it'll be a shame if the Academy doesn't atleast acknowledge it (Big chance huh?)

The funny thing about the whole Ginny situation is that she was noticed by alot of people but the fans don't think it's enough. I remember being in the theater and after she did Reducto in the Prophecy room the girl behind me said "Man...I'm scared of her. She's always blowing things up" I :lol: but hey atleast she stood out to some people. You've said all I could say about Luna and Sirius so I won't go there (Don't want to risk sounding like a copy cat Wimsey do I? Then again that's not a bad thing actually...)

Overall though the good outweighs the bad in this film. There are little things I never noticed (Like the tail of Moody's coat hitting the water during their flight through London) and things I continue to laugh at (Crookshanks and the Extendable Ear :lol::lol::lol:)

I think they found the best of the book and put in on the screen and that's more than I can ask for as a fan.

It's amazing how hard it was for me to decide how I truly felt about this movie, after all Ive seen it 5 times.

But now I think I can say, that I 100 percent hate the movie, I think it's the worst of the bunch in terms of entertainment.

First of all, the editing was god awuful, scene after scene we were throwin into chaos with no transition at all.

I don't know who to blame here, the editor, or Yates who said he shot over 3 hours of film, but also too the whole mood of the film, it's no secret that Yates was considered a actors director, that he developed character and structure, and I felt like that made the movie boring. I didn't care about any of the characters minus, Sirius, who was played by a brilliant actor.

I thought the musical score was incredibly boring, in fact it got to the point where it was annoying and loud, I thought Umbridge was annoying and not on a entertaining level.

Also, I thought that they didn't capitlize on Voldemort/Dumbeldore fights, the end scene with the Death Eaters/Order, obviously someone will swoop in and say that isn't where the story was at, but from a entertainment stand point, you can give me and the audience member more then 60 seconds of battle.

I thought the visual of the movie was the weakest yet for what it needed to bring, for example, 3 and 4 were perfect for what they were, and 1/2 were just entertaining flicks. But 5 just didnt really continue with the dark look enough and opening in the city/suburb mixed with what I believed to be a weak score just was a bad opening.

And the reason why it bothers me, is because Yates is coming back for 6 and Im afraid that 6 will turn out like 5. Then two of the movies that prelude into the final film are wash outs and Id hate for that to happen. Kloves is coming back for 6 and not much happens in it anyways, so I don't think alot of this will be an issue, I just hope that the musical score which was one of my biggest beefs if an issue, I know the same guy is coming back but I hope it isnt a "emotional" "isolated" "karate kid" kind of score.

I just got finished re-watching my new copy of OOTP Special Addition, and I noticed something that I missed while watching the movie in the theater. Has others noticed that Moody rides his broom in the style of a Harley motorcycle rider, Sitting up right, while all the other ride their broom like café bike riders, laying down. Strange occurrence.


PS. Can someone move this to muggle studies, Thanks.

I really liked the movie, especially the scene when Sirius was killed (I hated the fact that he was killed but it was beautifully done) to the final battle between Dumbledore and Voldermort, then the inner battle of Harry and Voldermort.

However I have a few problems. Such as Levicorpus being used by one of the girls, and the fact that they never mentioned that Harry gave the money to the twins which they could start their business.

Why? Nobody will remember such a tiny detail in 2 years time.

tiny detail? slytherin's locket a tiny detail?



Show, don't tell. The audience had likely forgotten about the dementors, but they had been shown Umbridge torturing kids, including the very small boy comforted by the twins just before they rebelled (nice touch).

what audience? i have watched this movie with several people who didnt read the books ask me, "well where did the dementors come from"



More would have been nice, but Oldman was fine. The emphasis must be on the kids.

ok yeah i can see that, but it would have put more emphasis on harry's feeling of being alone if they would have better developed the relationship between harry and sirius.



I very much doubt if they will do that! Rowling's opinion is an interesting irrelevance. She has signed away the film rights.

you dont think that jkr had some influence in the movies, that she didnt have some sort of special agreements in the contract, you are sorely mistaken




Only a declining number of book fans have even the slightest interest in this tiresome made-up sport, the inclusion of which damaged the first two films greatly.

who cares??? its not about quidditch its about harry showing up draco. i dont care if it was in a spelling bee, it still should have been shown if it were in the book.

You know what Wimsey? That's a pretty interesting way of putting it! I've been trying to figure out which one I like more. After rewatching OOTP I realize that I REALLY like the movie, but as a film Prisoner still has it beat. However you're right, as far as adaptations go Order does a really good job at it. As a movie I like it better than Goblet but not as much as Prisoner...but maybe that'll change lolWhy thanks. Quality and enjoyability are two separate things, after all: they are not completely independent, but I've enjoyed some awful movies and I've been left feeling pretty miserable by some great ones.
The funny thing about the whole Ginny situation is that she was noticed by alot of people but the fans don't think it's enough. I remember being in the theater and after she did Reducto in the Prophecy room the girl behind me said "Man...I'm scared of her. She's always blowing things up"heh, well, it also is a case of people projecting what they learned afterwards onto what they watched. We learn a lot more about Ginny in Prince, and a bit more from JKR in interviews. However, what so many posters seem to have forgotten was that Ginny snuck up on a lot of readers: 2 years ago these boards were flooded with complaints that Ginny just sprung out of nowhere! She didn't, really: but Rowling set it up so that all of Ginny's actions were sort of taken for granted because the sole protagonist (Harry) did that. There was a really good Mugglnet editorial (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-kkearney01.shtml) written before Prince pointing out just how much there was to Ginny: and how it was only on the periphery of Harry's awareness. What I think is kind of cool is that the movie managed to do just that: Ginny was in the thick of everything but she was just another pretty face in the crowd...
I think they found the best of the book and put in on the screen and that's more than I can ask for as a fan.Well, the best part of that book was the story, so I could not agree more!

who cares??? its not about quidditch its about harry showing up draco. i dont care if it was in a spelling bee, it still should have been shown if it were in the book.There was Harry attacking Draco at the train station. That basically did the same thing as the Quidditch game, but with much less effort and without subject the audience to Quidditch!

While the movie was better on DVD, in that I noticed so much more little details and things that Yates put in (you could watch it ten times and still find new things) it's still not a very good movie. I mean sure it's good if you've read the book and already know the story but as a movie it really is a mess. I can't believe you like it so much, Wimsey. I think it's a failure as a film. For fans it's a nice treat but for general audience...if they don't have any HP fans in the house, how in the world will they even grasp what is going on in this movie? The editing is simply horrendous as is the pacing. There is no structure, no sequence of events, no build-up. The only thing that saves this film is the acting and the set design. Every actor has took a step up and is amazing. Dan has really come far as a young actor. Not once in the film did I see Dan. I saw Harry from the first shot to the last. But none of the scenes really have an effect unless you pause the movie after every scene to take it in which is very telling. OOTP feels very much like a TV movie. For instance the scene right after the kiss with the trio laughing, when that scene fades, it was desperately calling for a commercial break. When we fade into the dream, it dosen't make sense. The audience is still trying to soak in the previous scene before they can even get their bearings when a snake is attacking a character we haven't seen since the begining in a place we don't know where and why and then before we even think about it for a second, CUT to Harry being marched to Dumbledore's office, CUT LOOK AT ME, CUT Occulmency scene, CUT Christmas scene, CUT Family tree scene, CUT back to Hogwarts, CUT Hagrid if back CUT escape from Azakaban cut cut cut. None of these scenes have an impact because they don't have a begining or an end, no structure. They just fly into each other with no dramatic weight, no depth. They fly by. A perfect example is the scene at Grimmauld place near the begining when they are about to have dinner. One second Tonks is making funny faces which we have no idea how, why or what, then before she's even finishes, important dialog of the scene is already underway before we even get a chance for the camera to move to the end of the table to see who is talking. It's bad cutting IMO. The film is much better with the subtitles on. I had no idea Harry says hello to Ginny when she shows up at the top of the stairs when they are listening to the extendable ear. Oh and about that scene, what a mess! It's such a shame that there is really important dialog about Snape and his 'reformation' Sirius and Snape's animosity, Molly's disapproval of Sirius, all this great stuff and it's muddled in the background and then completely ripped from us by the cat. It's very annoying. They sacrificed great scenes for a kiddie comedy bit with the cat clawing at the ear. Very funny hahaha. Like the movie didn't have enough humor as it is. Oh and the Snape's worst memory, without subtitles, I had no idea what Snape was saying: "You and Black. Two of a kind sentimental children forever whining about how bitterly unfair your lives have been." I never knew he said "you and Black" so that enhanced the scene for me but also raises the question of: "Did Snape know of their little conversation before the family tree?" I do think that scene was done well though....except it's ruined because before we even get a chance to ponder it, BAM twins are comforting a little boy we have no idea who he is and Umbridge is back. Ouch, just thinking about it gives me a headache.

This film is a mess IMO.

Oh come on MasterofDeath I think you're being to hard on the film (And once again there goes the long paragraphs...don't make me use Levicorpus on you buddy...I'll do it!! :p) One thing I will do for research is ask a friend of mine who's a movie only fan to see if he understood everything. I know of a friend who loved the movie and understood everything and he doesn't read at all.

You're right in the fact that in certain parts people don't have the time to really take in a scene. I think Tonks making those faces was a purely book fan thing thrown in there for good measure, but I TOTALLY agree with you on the Molly, Sirius, and Snape convo. I've heard it since my first viewing of the film but I really wish it was shown and not just the background. I noticed Harry speaking to her watching the DVD (I haven't used subtitles yet) and you never heard Snape say 'You and Black' heh...maybe I am seeker material (eyes and ears)

The movie is fast in most places but imo I think it works. It kept the tension up. It'll go from light to dark in a second and I think it worked well for that particular film. (And come onnnnnn Crooshanks was adorable...) Unlike GOF, atleast to me, OOTP felt like a school year. GOF was choppier to me than this one but I see what you mean in most cases.

(BTW it wasn't CUT LOOK AT ME...then CUT OCCLUMENCY per sey...we saw Snape taking Harry down to the dungeon so technically it wasn't a cut :rockon:)

. For fans it's a nice treat but for general audience...if they don't have any HP fans in the house, how in the world will they even grasp what is going on in this movie?

This film is a mess IMO.

We got this after PoA came out.

We got this after GoF came out.

We know the drill by now.

Do try to face it - people are enjoying these films. If they couldn't understand what was going on (as was claimed when PoA came out) the general public would not have made GoF a big commercial success. And if they couldn't understand what was going on in GoF (as was claimed) then they wouldn't have bought tickets for OotP.

Yates told the story of OotP far better than Rowling did.

And if they couldn't understand what was going on in GoF (as was claimed) then they wouldn't have bought tickets for OotP.Now, now: we all know that they went to those movies just to dream about Lavender Brown! :cool:
Yates told the story of OotP far better than Rowling did.With this, I agree. And this is where we really disagree MasterOfDeath: I think that Yates & Goldenberg really succinctly told us a tale about individual isolation, why it is such a great weapon, and how it leads people astray. They do so in all of the ways that Rowling did, but they simply did it in a much more straightforward way.

Now, where I think that the film was hard to follow was in all of the characters: the develop the important ones well enough, but most of the Order and so many of the students were just clutter. There is a short "extra" scene on the DVD that I wish that they'd kept: one where Malfoy, Crabbe & Goyle are tormenting some hapless younger student in the snow. Umbridge sees them and nods to Filch, presumably initiating the Inquisitorial Squad. It basically is a modified version of Malfoy et goons forcing second year students out of a carriage: but it is shown rather than told. (Hermione relays that in the book, if I recall.) Now, it did deviate from narrative form - Harry is nowhere to be seen - but it would have made Draco & Croyle a bit easier to remember.


As for the structure of the scenes, I had no problem with that. Were they "abrupt"? Sure: but this is the style used by many of the classic films. Moreover, think of the effect of this: if anything, then it makes things feel disjointed: we are pulled here, then there. Well, isn't this exactly what Harry is feeling? To whatever degree possible, the cinematic feel should try to capture the mood of the protagonist: and Harry feels like he's being pulled apart in this story.

YOu guys were discussing about ginny,and i remmembered a group of guys sitting behind us that were thrilled with luna...in the end ,where harry offers to get her shoes...they were shouting
yey harry!! stick with the blond one!!!
and i recall thinking that for non readers,maybe luna had been more noticeable than ginny...they didnt even notice ginny

so,i dont think they are expecting harry to fall for her...

but then i thought ,well in the books,many didnt expect that either,it was unbelivable that with all the hints there were ,still there were some hermione harry shippers...

I dont think Ginny´s role in phoenix was what it should have ,at least they should have shown her a bit more ,to get her more in the picture.

But im not complaining ,i liked phoenix fairly enough ,exept for the prophesy which i think was too rushed and many non readers didnt even notice its importance...

Montse; I completely agree about not seeing enough of Ginny, to the point where people want a Luna-Harry relationship...

I think a lot of non-readers (if not done correctly) will be surprised that Harry and Ginny really "hook-up" in HBP, due to the lack of Ginny in OoTP. Theya re going to really have to do well with this in HBP as to not leave people confused, IMO.

YOu guys were discussing about ginny,and i remmembered a group of guys sitting behind us that were thrilled with luna...in the end ,where harry offers to get her shoes...they were shouting
yey harry!! stick with the blond one!!!Hey, after reading the book, I was betting that Harry would fall for Luna! Heck, reading Hallows, it seemed like Rowling was writing that there, too.....
but then i thought ,well in the books,many didnt expect that either,it was unbelivable that with all the hints there were ,still there were some hermione harry shippers...Well, they were a little bit different: they were actively interpreting the books in light of an idea rather than getting an idea from the book. I don't think that was the case of the Harry-Luna "shippers": we thought that the bond of "seeing thestrals" (something that linked me to my wife, and thus something to which I could relate) would be important. Speaking as one such "shipper" (although I did not participate in those discussions), I did expect Harry to wind up with Ginny in the end: but I do not think I appreciated just how much build up Rowling had slipped into the background of the books.
But im not complaining ,i liked phoenix fairly enough ,exept for the prophesy which i think was too rushed and many non readers didnt even notice its importance...Well, the complaint by non-readers was that it was not important: everybody had known since the first movie that Harry was "destined" to take out Voldemort. The importance of the Prophecy actually does not arise until Prince, anyway: that is when we learn that the Prophecy exists only because Voldemort believes in it, and that it really has no true meaning. It's all very existential!

I think a lot of non-readers (if not done correctly) will be surprised that Harry and Ginny really "hook-up" in HBP, due to the lack of Ginny in OoTP. Theya re going to really have to do well with this in HBP as to not leave people confused, IMO.Why? Did the last James Bond girl confuse you because she was not in the prior James Bond film? Did Indiana Jones' romantic interests in the 2nd and 3rd movie confuse after they were not in the 1st and 2nd movies? Of course not! Neither will Ginny confuse anybody in Prince if Prince portrays Ginny properly. It was never in Order's power to set up these sorts of details any more than it was in the 12th James Bond movie's power to set up the 13th Bond's girl.

Moreover, it seems that memories here are short! 28 months ago, many posters were stunned that Harry fell for Ginny: nothing in the prior books ever hinted at this (or so they claimed). In truth, Ginny was there, but very much in the background: just as the movie showed her. She was on the periphery of Harry's awareness, and a lot of readers missed her.

And as for Luna, well, count me among the many who expected Harry to fall for Luna in the 6th book. In a pre-Prince survey at a Tolkien group, over one third of the respondents picked Luna for the Girl for whom Harry would fall, whereas "only" about 60% picked Ginny. (Hermione, Susan Bones and nobody filled out the rest.)

The past week I've been schooling my roommate, who does not like fantasy, has never read the books, and is derisive of Harry Potter. We watched all five movies. She had things to mock in all the films, but found herself getting involved.

It was really interesting to rewatch all the films, and watch them through the eyes of someone completely oblivious to the world of HP. Movies that had just seemed ok to me (like GoF) were horrible this time around. Choppy, disjointed, completely incomprehensible.

Now, OOtP was great to rewatch. My roommate asked less questions and only cracked one joke. After rewatching them all, I've changed my opinion on which one is best. I think PoA is close, but the writing and the story beat the visuals for a non-reader, so OOtP is my new favorite.

I was just reading the first page of the posts and ive noticed not many people have mentioned Natlia Tena's acting.
I think she did a great job and I am happy with her playing Tonks; since Tonks is one of my favourite characters and I was very devostated when I read that she died.
I loved Katie Leung as Cho - yes I know she appeared in the last movie but I still think it was a great choice. And Evanna Lynch has defiently one of my favourite actresses now. Helena Bonham Carter also did a great job, I cant wait for Narcissa in the next movie, but I am upset to hear that Naomi Watts isn't playing her though, Helen McCrory is. I really wasn't expecting Helen to play Narcissa, because she defiently would have suited Bellatrix... but Narcissa ive always pictured to be a beautiful blonde who looks young for her age. She looks to old to be the youngest Black sister and Lucius's wife.
Okay back to the proper discussion.
I loved all the scenes with Tonks, the battle between Dumbledore and Voldermort, and when Fred and George left the school. My least favourite part was Sirius dying because I bawled my eyes out.

So I finally saw the movie last night. It was good, but there were quite a few things left out that I wish had've been included. There wasn't even a "give her hell from us, Peeves."

Visually, it was amazing, as usual. I would have liked to see more of the DoM, but the hall of prophecy collapsing was very cool.

So I finally saw the movie last night. It was good, but there were quite a few things left out that I wish had've been included. There wasn't even a "give her hell from us, Peeves."But who is Peeves? The movie would have had to taken the time to introduce him. Given that it was already a long movie (over 2 hours), and given that Peeves contributes nothing to the plot or the story, would it have served any purpose?

I thought that this scene was a great example of adaptation. The twins' fracas became tied to story rather than plot, and it also became the thing that (almost) cleared the way for Harry to break into Umbridge's office. The fact that Harry does it twice in the book seemed very redundant!

Movies that had just seemed ok to me (like GoF) were horrible this time around. Choppy, disjointed, completely incomprehensible.

How can they be "incomprehensible" if tens of millions of people, including children, are managing to comprehend them?


Now, OOtP was great to rewatch. My roommate asked less questions and only cracked one joke.

The probable explanation is that she was familar with the characters after four films. This surely applies to all HP ticket buyers now. A few will have been won over by watched the DVDs of PoA and GoF, but the majority will have followed the whole saga, though some departed after CS, never to return.

Montse; I completely agree about not seeing enough of Ginny, to the point where people want a Luna-Harry relationship...

As Wimsey has already stated, this was the situation after reading OotP (book) because of the strong connection flagged up by the author between Harry and Luna at the end of the book.


I think a lot of non-readers (if not done correctly) will be surprised that Harry and Ginny really "hook-up" in HBP, due to the lack of Ginny in OoTP. Theya re going to really have to do well with this in HBP as to not leave people confused, IMO.

Why should they be confused? No-one was confused when Eowyn fell in love with Aragorn in LOTR2, despite the "lack" of Eowyn in LOTR1!

No offence intended, but you write as if you have never seen a film before.

But who is Peeves? The movie would have had to taken the time to introduce him. Given that it was already a long movie (over 2 hours), and given that Peeves contributes nothing to the plot or the story, would it have served any purpose?

I thought that this scene was a great example of adaptation. The twins' fracas became tied to story rather than plot, and it also became the thing that (almost) cleared the way for Harry to break into Umbridge's office. The fact that Harry does it twice in the book seemed very redundant!

:tu: Totally agree with you, Wimsey. The twins' exit from Hogwarts in the film is an absolute delight. A very good example of adaptation, this ... less cumbersome than the swamp in the book, dramatic and fun, and gets the point across beautifully.

No way should the films be introducing Peeves when he's been missing as a character in the films so far. I love Peeves in the books, he's a lot of fun, but none of the films have needed him, and he won't be needed in HBP or DH either!

As for Harry falling for Ginny ... not a problem, guys. The non-Potter audience know that Harry is growing up. They will remember Ginny from previous films (and even if they don't: well, as mrfutterman points out, just remember Aragorn and Eowyn ;) ). It really won't be some great big shock that your average non-Potter person can't possibly cope with, if Movie Harry falls big time for Movie Ginny in Film 6!

Not. A. Problem. :)

My brother in law saw it...he hadnt seen it before,he fell asleep...
can you believe him,i mean ...
sure its not WOW
but i really liked it...
and he falls asleep...
and my cousin didnt get the cho part...
i had to explain...
still,i really like this one,my only htought is they ru**** in the end.
prophesy ,no t clear enough,
it doesnt show its importance.

Sorry Montse, but I love HP and I fell asleep the first time I watched the DVD. Of course I had seen it 5 times at the movie theater and it was after a full day of teaching. Maybe your brother in law is just getting on in years--that's the excuse I keep using when I doze off while watching something I really want to see.

well,he is not the laboring type,hes a teenager...
so being tired...not an excuse...
and then he commented how he didnt understood the movie,
i mean ,yeah if he doozed half of it...how could he...
thanks for your sympathy...
still i am not talking to him if he starsts saying the movie sucked...
how can he talk about somthing he didnt even see..
i mean if one of you guys thinks it sucked..well ,fair,we are all entitled to an opinion,being fans,to me your opinion counts...i respect it..
but if you sleep half of the movie...
i simply wont have it...

still ,i think too they didnt give the cho item closure...and now theyll have harry fall for ginny...
dont know how they are gonna make that...


YOu saw 5 times in the theatre...WOW
I only went twice....
and one in spanish so my girls could understand it...
now im going to see it whenever i can...
and have the time.

As for Harry falling for Ginny ... not a problem, guys. The non-Potter audience know that Harry is growing up. They will remember Ginny from previous films (and even if they don't: well, as mrfutterman points out, just remember Aragorn and Eowyn ;) ). .... Not. A. Problem. :)Indeed, at 16 (or any other age), you are more apt to "fall" for someone that you just met than for someone you knew for a while! I think that I only once dated someone that I'd known for as much as a year prior to becoming involved; every other time, including with my wife, meeting and involvement would have been in the same movie if my life was filmed a la Harry Potter!

My brother in law saw it...he hadnt seen it before,he fell asleep...
can you believe him,i mean ...Well, the film does drag a bit at the end. It keeps a snappy pace in the beginning and at the end, but the scenes tend to drag a bit in the middle part. I know that a lot of people here find good pacing to be "rushed," but most people find that slow pacing discourages concentration and encourages reaction to sleep deprivation!
still,i really like this one,my only htought is they ru**** in the end.
prophesy ,no t clear enough,
it doesnt show its importance.It's importance is not explained until Prince in the books! There we learn that it is completely MacBethian: the Prophecy contains any truth only because Voldemort was partly aware of it and only because Voldemort is setting some store by it. The movie tells us everything that the audience needs to know about the Prophecy at this point. If Prince or Hallows wishes to revisit the topic, then that is the appropriate time to clarify what the Prophecy is and is not.

Sorry Montse, but I love HP and I fell asleep the first time I watched the DVD. Of course I had seen it 5 times at the movie theater and it was after a full day of teaching. Maybe your brother in law is just getting on in years--that's the excuse I keep using when I doze off while watching something I really want to see.This is hardly a trivial excuse. Sleep deprivation greatly affects our ability to concentrate, and it is estimated to affect big chunks of the demographic that watches Harry Potter films. Indeed, "getting on in years" would be less of a problem than (say) being a college student or a young professional! Old folk get plenty of sleep. (Or so I keep promising myself..... :cool:)

well,i do think it is important,nomatter how macbethian it is,and i dont think it was clear enough in the movie...

it didnt emphasise how harry will have a power the dark lord knows not,and how it couldhave been him or neville,

maybe this is irrelevant movie plotwise,but i dont think the audience was aware of it ,the umbridge part was better dealt with,the DA was nicely done, then Sirius death,and then fudge realizing Voldy is back...but none of my friends were aware of the prophesy...
As you say,it might be developed in halfblood...i believe its important for the plot...

While the movie was better on DVD, in that I noticed so much more little details and things that Yates put in (you could watch it ten times and still find new things) it's still not a very good movie. I mean sure it's good if you've read the book and already know the story but as a movie it really is a mess. I can't believe you like it so much, Wimsey. I think it's a failure as a film. For fans it's a nice treat but for general audience...if they don't have any HP fans in the house, how in the world will they even grasp what is going on in this movie? The editing is simply horrendous as is the pacing. There is no structure, no sequence of events, no build-up. The only thing that saves this film is the acting and the set design. Every actor has took a step up and is amazing. Dan has really come far as a young actor. Not once in the film did I see Dan. I saw Harry from the first shot to the last. But none of the scenes really have an effect unless you pause the movie after every scene to take it in which is very telling. OOTP feels very much like a TV movie. For instance the scene right after the kiss with the trio laughing, when that scene fades, it was desperately calling for a commercial break. When we fade into the dream, it dosen't make sense. The audience is still trying to soak in the previous scene before they can even get their bearings when a snake is attacking a character we haven't seen since the begining in a place we don't know where and why and then before we even think about it for a second, CUT to Harry being marched to Dumbledore's office, CUT LOOK AT ME, CUT Occulmency scene, CUT Christmas scene, CUT Family tree scene, CUT back to Hogwarts, CUT Hagrid if back CUT escape from Azakaban cut cut cut. None of these scenes have an impact because they don't have a begining or an end, no structure. They just fly into each other with no dramatic weight, no depth. They fly by. A perfect example is the scene at Grimmauld place near the begining when they are about to have dinner. One second Tonks is making funny faces which we have no idea how, why or what, then before she's even finishes, important dialog of the scene is already underway before we even get a chance for the camera to move to the end of the table to see who is talking. It's bad cutting IMO. The film is much better with the subtitles on. I had no idea Harry says hello to Ginny when she shows up at the top of the stairs when they are listening to the extendable ear. Oh and about that scene, what a mess! It's such a shame that there is really important dialog about Snape and his 'reformation' Sirius and Snape's animosity, Molly's disapproval of Sirius, all this great stuff and it's muddled in the background and then completely ripped from us by the cat. It's very annoying. They sacrificed great scenes for a kiddie comedy bit with the cat clawing at the ear. Very funny hahaha. Like the movie didn't have enough humor as it is. Oh and the Snape's worst memory, without subtitles, I had no idea what Snape was saying: "You and Black. Two of a kind sentimental children forever whining about how bitterly unfair your lives have been." I never knew he said "you and Black" so that enhanced the scene for me but also raises the question of: "Did Snape know of their little conversation before the family tree?" I do think that scene was done well though....except it's ruined because before we even get a chance to ponder it, BAM twins are comforting a little boy we have no idea who he is and Umbridge is back. Ouch, just thinking about it gives me a headache.

This film is a mess IMO.

So my first DVD was so extraordinarily messed up, I couldn't hear and could barely see what was going on. I just got the replacement today and the comparison was so dynamic (no more scene blackouts) I was at first quite taken in by the scenery and acting.

Then I watched it again.

Then I wondered, like Master, how anyone who hadn't read the books could have possibly understood what had happened in that movie. I asked my sister just for kicks because she took my niece, but has not read the books. She started laughing and said Voldemort died trying to possess Harry or something :lol:. Well anyway I understood her confusion. I totally agree with Master's review. Way too many cut scenes, combination scenes and missing dialogue to be faithful to the OOTP storyline.

However, as a person who has read the books, I looked at it in a slightly different way the third time thru and discovered that they had edited the movie down to its sensible core, imo. Harry was 'automatically' more mature. He watched SWM and we didn't get all of the childish freting we saw in the book - he just seemed to understand his papa was young and that he and Snape hated one another. We didn't get the Molly on Sirius deal or Lupin declaring that he and Sirius cared about Harry as much as Molly with Sirius ready to attack, but the little background chatter took care of that and I am figuring they will bring that out more in HBP and DH (assuming they don't cut the Snape loved Lily and Reunion Scenes :lol:.) Harry's whole crazed, emotional dialogue over Sirius was missing and frankly, there were some key parts in there that were pertinent to the series - however, by cutting them, it means that lots can be cut from HBP and DH as well because they are issues that are simply not raised.

So overall, I would say that the movie progression is cutting out a lot of backstory for the non-main characters (everyone except Harry, Ron and Hermione) and in the end that should mean that characters like Snape, Lupin, and even Dumbledore will be given cameo like treatment in future movies. For example, for Snape, we know in the movies that he hates Harry and James and that he and James were enemies. So all that need be shown is why - Lily. A couple of the memory scenes with them as friends and later a scene with her and James will do the trick. I imagine they will play up the Harry following the doe scene to show Snape's allegience because he will kill Dumbledore - then his scene turning to the good side - but all of the James rehabilitation scenes don't need to come in since we aren't made to think poorly of him - that cuts out tons from the DH memories and the talking scenes with Lupin and Harry (Lupin and Tonks will be shown kissing or some such in lieu of their whole deal as his furry little problem has not been made a big deal of either - thus no need to solve it). If the ressurection scene is not cut, they'll have to show some closeness between Harry and Lupin though for that to make sense - but a quick scene of Harry being made godfather would do the trick.

So all in all, tons of the backstory is out, but the main trio character deal will remain. If they show the epilogue and call out Albus Severus, I presume they will have to show in some manner how Harry got to thinking better of Snape - but that too can be done fairly quickly during his death scene...or they may just have him back with Dumbledore at the ressurection scene and lump that together with Kings Cross.

Looking at things in that abbreviated light, OOTP becomes more sensible, even with the cut and pasted together like scenes because the emphasis is on Harry v. Voldemort (and Harry and his two buddies guiding the show). HBP can bring in the Ginny factor - likely in a bigger way and show Ron and Hermione closer, eradicating the need for much of the dialogue in DH.

As a fan of the books, OOTP was disappointing on screen, but when I see what they are trying to do cut wise, it made sense.

Montse; I completely agree about not seeing enough of Ginny, to the point where people want a Luna-Harry relationship...

I think a lot of non-readers (if not done correctly) will be surprised that Harry and Ginny really "hook-up" in HBP, due to the lack of Ginny in OoTP. Theya re going to really have to do well with this in HBP as to not leave people confused, IMO.
If you were paying attention, you would have seen Ginny's sour face every time Cho was mentioned or viewed. She also had some wistful glances at Harry. Even if you have no clue who she is, you might say "Oh yeah, that was that girl from OotP!" Of course, it would be lovlier if you remembered her from CoS, but, well, we can't have everything.

Yeah, remember the scene in the OOTP where they were on the bridge talking, and then Hermione told Harry that Cho kept looking at him. You could see Ginny's face turn from a smile to a frown. I thought that the OOTP was one of the best movies of the lot, though, I do wish that it was longer.

back to the ginny issue,imperious master was agreeing with me,i inist there should have been a bit more Ginny..
Yes i was paying attention,and i did notice Ginny put on a sou face when hermione mentions that about cho,or when they are about to kisss that Ginny glances back with a sad look on her face,still,I think a bit more wouldnt have harmed and made it easier for whats comming.

Wimsey commented about the James Bond girl thing...well,yeah ,he gets a different girl every movie,doesnt he ,im not a bond fan ,so im not fully informed ,but Wimseys got a point here...And if they allow Bonnie to be the Ginny in the books,the true fred and george sister,all saucy and fun,well thats that,no explenation might be needed,

I still think the audience might need a reminder of why it didnt work out with cho,and i believe they are giving katie leung lines,whereas in phoenix we didnt see her talking much if at all,so maybe the closure on that relationship will be given in halfblood,just to make sure everyone gets harry is over cho...

Oh, I was wanting to know what everyone else thought about the person that they got to play the youger James when Harry see's Snapes memory. What did everyone think? Personally, I didn't really care for the actor that much...

Oh, I was wanting to know what everyone else thought about the person that they got to play the youger James when Harry see's Snapes memory. What did everyone think? Personally, I didn't really care for the actor that much...

Well the poor guy barely got a chance to 'act' per se. He was on screen for all of 20 seconds. He did a nice facial expression if I recall correctly, enough to show that there was animosity between Snape and James. Note Harry didn't get upset afterward in the movie, so I guess we are to assume Harry in the movies is mature enough to understand that they were kids and enemies, which is all he really had to know for the future. I thought the actor looked enough like Harry to be passable - but they should have just used Harry (Dan) because they are supposed to look 'extraordinarily' alike. But that's the movies for ya...

I think that they could've at least gotten someone that looked a bit better. And yeah, Dan could've put on some make-up, and played his father. :lol: I just didn't like the way the guy looked. I did like the guy that they got to play the youger Snape. He looked perfect.

I think that they could've at least gotten someone that looked a bit better. And yeah, Dan could've put on some make-up, and played his father. :lol: I just didn't like the way the guy looked. I did like the guy that they got to play the youger Snape. He looked perfect.

I thought just the opposite. I didn't think the young Snape fit the characterization in the book. The kid in the movie was pretty attractive looking and in the book Snape is not. The James dude was okay, except he didn't look enough like Harry. The Sirius guy - I guess it was Sirius - he was all wrong. He was supposed to be taller than James I thought and he was supposed to be some adonis looking dude, but the young Snape looked better than he did. But then again, we only got a glance, and the movies always glamorize everything. Hermione is a babe in the movies and I wasn't under the impression that she was supposed to be so good looking - more like average. Ginny I thought was supposed to be the hot one and she is a cute girl, but Hermione is better looking to me. :lol:

How do you like the person who plays Sirius? I think he looks to much like a pirate... :lol:

well ,i remeber having this discussion before the move came up and we had a glimpse at the young marauders,and i remeber agreeing james was way too blonde for bing james...that having dan play his father ,would have been too cheesy...
and that spnape looked fine...

months later i still think james is too blond,though he has a generla potter look,snape,still think hes fine,looks sour enough...
sirius...well ...hes fair enough ...lupin i dont like

How do you like the guy who plays Aurther? I think that he's OK, but my brother really hates the guy. I do think that he should be a bit bald(Like he is in the books), but, he's OK.

In phoenix you mean...otherwise ,you should go to the casting couch to discuss it further.

I like how he was all exited about the entrance at the ministry and his delighted face when going in after harry put in the coins,i dont mind him not being bald actually..

I did like how he looked after the snake bit him,and he wasnt all recoverd but you could see in his face he had been ill...

I did like the scene at the ministry! That made me laugh. :D Anyway, yeah, I'll probably go and talk about the character in that other thead as well.

Wimsey commented about the James Bond girl thing...well,yeah ,he gets a different girl every movie,doesnt he ,im not a bond fan ,so im not fully informed ,but Wimseys got a point here...And if they allow Bonnie to be the Ginny in the books,the true fred and george sister,all saucy and fun,well thats that,no explenation might be needed,I think that the issue here is, was Ginny adequate for Order? I would say "yes": she was the girl who really stood out in Dumbledore's Army, blowing up the practice dummy and being the first to cast a Patronus. That really set her up for the Battle at the ministry.

Prince will succeed or fail with developing Harry+Ginny on its own merits. What it absolutely cannot do is follow the path of Harry+Cho!

Oh, and just for an additional historical note: Harry+Ginny caught some posters here so off-guard that there was a thread devoted to the idea that Ginny slipped Harry a love potion. After all, they reasoned, how could Harry just fall for a girl out of the blue?!?!? All of the stuff in Order had slipped past them unnoticed: as well, it seems, as the behavior of teenagers in the real world! Now, while I think that these people had done a poor job of reading the books, this does show that Rowling really had not made it plainly obvious what the writing on the wall was. But I think that is they way that she wanted it, in part: Harry took Ginny for granted and thus he never really noticed her. That let a lot of readers not really notice her: and the movies followed suit here!
i still think the audience might need a reminder of why it didnt work out with cho,and i believe they are giving katie leung lines,whereas in phoenix we didnt see her talking much if at all,so maybe the closure on that relationship will be given in halfblood,just to make sure everyone gets harry is over cho...I doubt that they will do this much, even. I expect that Leung will be little more than a continuity extra across films!

Cho is the one for whom I have a beef. I had no problems with her being the Snitch: I was one of several who advocated using her for that in our "Book to Film" thread. However, there just was no set up of her and Harry. They needed scenes similar to the ones in Goblet when Harry first sees Cho again. Heck, they could simply have flashbacked to the scene in Goblet where Harry tries to ask her out, just to both show and remind people who Cho was. They also should have had Harry be trying to ask her out when the whole Trelawney mess started: romantic plot lines really thrive on "interuptus" after all.

I do not think that any resolution scene was (or is) needed: couples break up without resolution all of the time. Heck, I've still got at least two ex-girlfriends out there for whom there was just a "good bye" and no "I'm breaking up because of X"! However, they are very much "ex" despite the lack of any closure.

well,i suppose thats how teenagers,normal ones,behave then,i was a most unusual one.

I was re reading the books,and did notice that,ginny does go from,barely mentioned from book 3 to 4,mentioned occasionally,and as a very skilled witch,bat bogey hex...temper,popular and stuff in phoenix,and then in halfblood totally in the picture and in harry´s mind.

I guess one does loses track how things evolved when knowing the whole story and how it ends,I admit I did had the feeling ,Ginny ,appeared more,thus I was dissapointed about the scene time she had,but comparing it now,to books,I think the only thing they missed is that Ginny had become very popular ,but this was not needed so why waste scene time on it...

I expected too to have Cho have snitch across her forehead,that would have been swell...

I didn't really care for the scene in which Sirius dies. I mean, I know that they need to make sure that everyone knows that Sirius is dead by using the Avada Kavadra curse, but, it would of been better if they had done it they way it was in the book. Not that there’s much difference between the two, lol, I'm just being selfish now. Though, I didn't really care for the veil that they had.

Sirius death...
I have no objectons here...
He was really fighting along harry´s side...he even calls him James,i like that...
then,he dies nd Harry has to be held by lupin
no ,I did like it,shed a tear or two,I think it was better than the book

it was the book death I didnt like come tothink of it,too fast,a couple of sentences and he was dead...

Though, Jo could of made the death scene in the OOTP book shorter, just so that it would seem sadder, which, it was for me in the book. The movie death was good, it took it's time with the death scene, and that probably helped the the scene in whole.

it was the book death I didnt like come tothink of it,too fast,a couple of sentences and he was dead...Actually, I know a few people who missed it when it happened in the book: they had to go back and re-read it after Harry started shouting "YOU KILLED SIRIUS!"

As for the clarity of Sirius' death, it is possible that they wanted to make sure that it was obvious. There was a small cadre of book readers who really convinced themselves that Sirius was not dead, no matter how many times Rowling tried to state that he was!

I think the movie still has that. It's funny because even my dad kept asking me if Sirius was going to come back to life and he's only seen the movie once. Ofcourse he has no ides what Avada Kadavra means....But he was convinced that he was not really dead.

yeah i know a couple of friends in here who were fully convinced Sirius would come back ,because he was not dead...

I knew he should be dead,in every great adventure,where there is a mentor,a parent or a teacher,they are ther for the training but for the ultimate task,the final battle ,usually the hero must face it alone...many story tellers provide different circumstances for this,JK simply killed one by one ,the protectors or fatherly figures in harry´s life,

I knew it was JK way to having harry cross the threshold on his own,so i never harvested any hopes for Sirius.Still,i must confess i like a lot better the death in the movie than the one in the book,one of those rare things you like better in the movie than in the book.

Oh, I was wanting to know what everyone else thought about the person that they got to play the youger James when Harry see's Snapes memory. What did everyone think? Personally, I didn't really care for the actor that much...

He was too blondish, but other than that he looked pretty much as I'd imagined - sort of beige, average, not handsome/not ugly, and resembled Radcliffe enough to make the point.

As for his acting...yeah, the scene did spin by pretty fast, but I tell you, that kid made the most of it. I saw a still from this scene, with Jarvis looking up at Alec Hopkins (Severus), and - WOW. :wow: He has this incredibly nasty look on his face, very cruel and avid...like he's really enjoying himself. I mean, his lip is actually curling! Seriously, it was perfect; Tom Felton could take lessons from this guy. :lol:

He has this incredibly nasty look on his face, very cruel and avid...like he's really enjoying himself. I mean, his lip is actually curling!
:agree: I thought so too. That little half smile/lip curl thing was perfect! After watching that scene, my husband said, "That was really mean!"

He read the book and didn't really get that much from that scene, since there was so much more going on in the book with James/Lily. Since the movie just focused on James and Severus with a few chants from the Marauders it got the "meaness" across in a different way. The way the actor portrayed James really got the point across, that James and Severus were not friends and explained a lot of Severus' feelings for ripping James to threads in front of Harry.

:agree: I thought so too. That little half smile/lip curl thing was perfect! After watching that scene, my husband said, "That was really mean!"

Right? It just goes to show what a powerful medium film can be. That actual attack was MUCH nastier in the book (the choking with the soap, the removal of underpants, etc.), and much longer, but just seeing it played out has - as your husband's reaction illustrated - a whole different impact.

Yeah but had he read the book or was it explained ever? My sister's reaction was 'what was that?' :lol: She wasn't sure if it was Harry's dad up in the air or handling the wand. Scene was far too quick. I still think they have to do a better job in the future to work it out for the non-book reading fans. But she did get that the two were not friends.

He was too blondish, but other than that he looked pretty much as I'd imagined - sort of beige, average, not handsome/not ugly, and resembled Radcliffe enough to make the point.This is one of those things where they either go for identical or fairly distinct. Lord of the Rings fans were very upset by how blonde Boromir was: in the books, he and Aragorn were nearly identical, after all. (Tolkien didn't hold much with heterozygosity!) However, on screen, it would have confused people: whereas on page we identified based on "B-O-R..." and whichever of Aragorn's 176 names was used on that page, on screen we go by looks: and with all of that hair, hair color was quite important!

(Some shampoo would have been nice, but, hey, it's dirty in Middle Earth!)

I think that the same thing was happening here: if James had looked too much like Harry, then Joe and Jane Public would not have known which one was which.)

As for his acting...yeah, the scene did spin by pretty fast, but I tell you, that kid made the most of it. I saw a still from this scene, with Jarvis looking up at Alec Hopkins (Severus), and - WOW. :wow: He has this incredibly nasty look on his face, very cruel and avid...like he's really enjoying himself. I mean, his lip is actually curling! Seriously, it was perfect; Tom Felton could take lessons from this guy. :lol:heh, I was surprised by how good it was on DVD. It seemed to go by quickly in the theater, but it seemed just right on my TV.

I still think they have to do a better job in the future to work it out for the non-book reading fans. But she did get that the two were not friends.Well, the films are becoming increasingly popular among non-readers: the first two were by far the least popular among that large segment, whereas the last three all have been pretty well liked.

Still, nothing works for everyone!

heh, I was surprised by how good it was on DVD. It seemed to go by quickly in the theater, but it seemed just right on my TV.
I agree, although I wish we could've gotten an extended version of that scene. I was really looking forward to seeing the Lily and James argument, especially since we know it was filmed.

Not my favorite but I still liked it. Of course. I think the severe lack of of any other character besides Harry aggravated me. OotP isn't my favorite book because Harry got on my nerves. The angsty teenager stage is really lame once you've been there and done that. So watching Harry stare at walls got old after a while. (But perhaps my biggest disappointment is the fact that the digital copy isn't compatible with iPods. Dangit.)

But the movie was still good: I loved the imagery (technically it is cinematography or some such thing) and the symbolism/allusions were very much to my taste. Although the references to Hilter and such were interesting and alot more deep than the previous movies, I thought it a bit cliche, maybe. And unfinished.

But my favorite was the ACTING. I was blown away by the acting. The script not so much, but the actors hit the right note the whole movie through. Michael Gambon was perfect. He just IS Dumbledore (he has got the right balance of effortless panache and intelligence). And Gary Oldman was great as well, that man has a wonderful wink. It's practically an art form: it's like a blink, but not. Completely suave. And Helena Bonham Carter. She just is delightfully evil. "How's mum and dad?" Not funny, but I still laughed because it was just so COLD.

The kids were great, too. Neville was (maybe unintentionally) really funny but very good. The fact that he shined through for the first time says something for him. So was Daniel. He's getting better and better with age.

My problems aren't with the content of the film, it's actually with some of the acting. I have never really liked Daniel Radcliffe as Harry and many of the scenes hewas in made me cringe. I particularly disliked the scenes in the DA, when he was trying to teach. And the line, something like: "Disarming is really important. It's like a wizards bread and butter, really." *Cringe*

Emma Watson has improved a lot, but whenever she delivers a line she tends to sound breathless. Apart from that I think OotP was her best performance in the Harry Potter films.

Rupert Grint was finally actually given some lines! Thank God! He's definitely the best actor of the trio, yet he gets the least lines and time on screen. I want to see much more of him in HBP.

Some bad casting mistakes were definitely Mrs Figg, seriously, she was completely wrong; Dudley, what on Earth was up with his voice? He was trying too hard; Dumbledore, I've never really taken to Michael Gambon as Dumbledore which is a shame as he's a really good actor; Tonks, great acting, but she didn't quite look right.

I'm the same. I had very few problems with the film itself, but the actors? :[
I never liked Daniel as Harry. The first two, I think he was passable, but after that, and especially in this film, I see Daniel Radcliffe, not Harry Potter.

I agree, Emma sometimes is a little breathless, but that's quite Hermione-ish IMO. I really like her as Hermione. She fits her almost perfectly.

I agree with you on Rupert- he rarely gets lines, and they're always just filler lines, not good ones. He's a very good actor, like Emma. They play the tension between Ron and Hermione very well, a great duo.

Mmm, I hated Mrs Figg, she wasn't batty enough. At least she was very minor. I never really liked Michael Gambon, but even more so after seeing this film.
And Tonks just didn't suit her.

But brilliant casting with Evanna, Helena and Imelda. They were my favourite castings (including Richard Harris) in the whole series.

I read the books and seen every movie and I enjoyed this one. The casting was amazing and can not wait until the sixth movie comes out. My husband and I watched OOTP last night and he was shocked to see Dudley because he has changed the most (along with Uncle Vernon). It was a shock to see Aberforth (Dumbledore's brother) and his goat when the trio walked into Hog's Head. If you have not read the books, then you would probably not have realized it was him. This movie does show more feelings between Hermione and Ron; and you do get to see some jealousy from Ginny when Cho and Harry are together. I am still waiting for Ron and Hermione's kiss. ; )

Was anybody else really happy that Sirius in animagus form was a real dog? Exactly as I'd imagined him too :)

Was anybody else really happy that Sirius in animagus form was a real dog? Exactly as I'd imagined him too :)

Yes, it was cool ;) But they didn't give him that much time on-screen and we already saw him as a dog in PoA.

~WendyPotter

I loved hearing about Ron's Skiving Snackbox stunt on the Inquisitorial Squad, finally they're showing that Ron has something between his ears. Plus " Sorry Professor,I must not tell lies", I very nearly cheered in the cinema at that point.

Also, did someone noticed that they kept saying "Voldemort killed Cedric" when really it was Wormtail that killed him. Look at GoF...

Also, did someone noticed that they kept saying "Voldemort killed Cedric" when really it was Wormtail that killed him. Look at GoF...The same thing happens in the books. Historically, it is customary to say that <Leader> killed even if a surrogate does it for him. Similarly, Sherman "burned" Atlanta in the history books: but you can bet that Sherman didn't light a single fire!

never liked Daniel as Harry. The first two, I think he was passable, but after that, and especially in this film, I see Daniel Radcliffe, not Harry Potter.

I agree, Emma sometimes is a little breathless, but that's quite Hermione-ish IMO. I really like her as Hermione. She fits her almost perfectly.I would flip-flop that: I still am not sold on Watson as an actress, although I acknowledge that Hermione does not present too much range (bossy, uptight, bossy again....), it still seems that she's the same regardless of the director.

As for Radcliffe, the fact that Cuarón, Newell and Yates all could get so much more out of him than Columbus got out of him does suggest that a good director can get that director's vision of Harry Potter from Dan.

In particular, Yates got a great rapport between Radcliffe and Oldman. The rapport between Radcliffe and Leung also was really good: the problem there was the failure to develop Cho or Harry+Cho. Radcliffe and Lynch also really clicked well together.

This gives me a lot of ope for one aspect of Prince: Yates should get exactly what he needs from Gambon and Radcliffe. I am worried that Watson will flop as distressed hormonal Hermione: but here's hoping that she surprises me!

My problems aren't with the content of the film, it's actually with some of the acting. I have never really liked Daniel Radcliffe as Harry and many of the scenes hewas in made me cringe. I particularly disliked the scenes in the DA, when he was trying to teach. And the line, something like: "Disarming is really important. It's like a wizards bread and butter, really." *Cringe*
It seems unfair to fault the actors for the lines that are written for them (and I believe the line you paraphrased actually said "stunning is an important weapon..", not "disarming" -- that's a little better, no?). And I have to disagree with you on Dan Radcliffe. I've always thought he was a perfect choice, and does an excellent job portraying Harry. And judging by the reviews he received for "Equus", he's on his way to becoming a very fine actor.

It seems unfair to fault the actors for the lines that are written for them (and I believe the line you paraphrased actually said "stunning is an important weapon..", not "disarming" -- that's a little better, no?). And I have to disagree with you on Dan Radcliffe. I've always thought he was a perfect choice, and does an excellent job portraying Harry. And judging by the reviews he received for "Equus", he's on his way to becoming a very fine actor.

Oh my...that was a post of mine from long ago...:whistle:

I like Dan. He's a great guy and he's really determined to do well. It's just that, for me, he isn't my Harry. His acting is getting much better and I credit him for how much hard work he has put into the Harry Potter movies. Yes, that line isn't Dan's fault at all, I just didn't like the delivery much and it felt really uncomfortable for me. But now, on further watchings of OotP, I feel that Dan was trying to portray exactly how awkward these scenes were for Harry - at first he's unsure of himself as a teacher. Dan is definitely growing on me as a person and an actor, just not as Harry :)

I think that everyone has the right to speak their mind about the actors, :tu:personally to me I love the actors on the movies(some of them more than others, of course) I find it sad that many people doesn´t enjoy watching the actors on the movies, because they are so important, but I think that as long as the true vision of each book is presented on the screen the movie would be good, regardless of the fact if you like one actor or not.

:cool:I must admit that when I first saw OotP I didn´t really love it like the other 4, it seams to me a little bit too dark and sad, I know that´s how it was suposed to be, because of all the Voldy thing, and Sirius death and all, but still some good laughs wouldn´t hurt anybody.:lol:

Still I´m excited about HBP because I´ve read that it´s going to be lighter than OotP with so much loooove going around, so I just hope they take more time on the action and not so much on the sadness and gloom, HBP cant wait...

I think some of the acting from the trio in OotP was worse than the previous films. I think Grint has lost his good timing he had in 1-4. His voice was constantly husky and to me it sounded like he always had a cold. Watson.. on dear... I don't think she's a particularly good actress... but her look as Hermione has grown on me (even if its not particularly canon). Radcliffe I'm divided on. I think some of his scenes were really really well done (possession and such) but others were really bad (ones with the DA).

Also I dont know a lot about fashion amongst teenagers in Britain, but if it's anything like it is in the US, Australia etc then the Hogwarts kids are about 10 years behind. Why is that? What is Hermione and Ron's obsession with horizontal stripes?

In particular, Yates got a great rapport between Radcliffe and Oldman. The rapport between Radcliffe and Leung also was really good: the problem there was the failure to develop Cho or Harry+Cho. Radcliffe and Lynch also really clicked well together.

Oh, Harry/Luna was just lovely. :tu: And I loved the Cho kiss! Very sweet chemistry there: it was a shame that Movie Cho was a bit drippy, and the relationship just petered out (it does in the book, of course!) I had no problems with Movie Cho being the snitch, by the way: that film did not need Marietta. And at least the DA realised that Movie Cho hadn't, after all, grassed them up ... but some nod of reconciliation from Harry to Cho would have been tied up a dangling loose thread more satisfactorily.

I am worried that Watson will flop as distressed hormonal Hermione: but here's hoping that she surprises me!

I share your concerns about Emma, Wims. Having seen her recently in Ballet Shoes - in which she acquitted herself admirably - I think she is capable of a much greater emotional range than we have seen her demonstrate in the HP films so far. She will really have to pull out all the emotional stops for both HBP and even more DH!

Radcliffe I'm divided on. I think some of his scenes were really really well done (possession and such) but others were really bad (ones with the DA).

I don't understand the objections some people have to the DA scenes. Dan is really good in this film. Having seen him in Equus, and also in the World War One drama My Boy Jack, recently shown on UK TV, I think very highly of his acting abilities. :cool:

Also I don't know a lot about fashion amongst teenagers in Britain, but if it's anything like it is in the US, Australia etc then the Hogwarts kids are about 10 years behind. Why is that?

Well, they ARE ten years behind. :) We've now reached the year 1996, haven't we, according to the HP chronology? :)

I can assure you that British teenagers take fashion as seriously as their Aussie and US counterparts do. ;)

The stripes thing between Hermione and Ron is all to do with their One True Love. Or something. :lol:

I share your concerns about Emma, Wims. Having seen her recently in Ballet Shoes - in which she acquitted herself admirably - I think she is capable of a much greater emotional range than we have seen her demonstrate in the HP films so far. She will really have to pull out all the emotional stops for both HBP and even more DH!

I agree. Emma was great in Ballet Shoes! She has a great acting ability, but she just doesn't seem to be showing that in the Harry Potter films. I think she has great potential. I just don't understand why Emma can't bring forward these acting abilities when playing Hermione.

I don't understand the objections some people have to the DA scenes. Dan is really good in this film. Having seen him in Equus, and also in the World War One drama My Boy Jack, recently shown on UK TV, I think very highly of his acting abilities. :cool:

I think he's a competent actor, and is consistanly improving and trying to improve. The DA scenes didn't work for me because of a mixture of bad lines (fair enough, that isn't Dan's fault), and awkward acting. Personally, I didn't enjoy watching it at all.

I can assure you that British teenagers take fashion as seriously as their Aussie and US counterparts do. ;)

:agree: Indeed we do :D

The stripes thing between Hermione and Ron is all to do with their One True Love. Or something. :lol:

:lol: I like this!

I thought it was good except I found that the scenes were a bit short. I also wanted to see quidditch even though I knew there wasn't going to be any...

Well, they ARE ten years behind. We've now reached the year 1996, haven't we, according to the HP chronology?
Oh of course! Silly me :p

I don't understand the objections some people have to the DA scenes. Dan is really good in this film. Having seen him in Equus, and also in the World War One drama My Boy Jack, recently shown on UK TV, I think very highly of his acting abilities.
I'm sure he's a capable actor, I just think the DA scenes were badly written and in turn not very well acted.

I know that they initially cast someone to play Lily, and I've heard that they filmed that part in the movie. I was very mad when I didn't see it in the film, but I hoped it would be on the deleted scenes of the special edition DVD. But it wasn't. Does anyone know why they wouldn't include that? Most of the deleted scences they did show weren't that great. Someone said they thought maybe the WB is waiting until a new special edition DVD after movie 7 comes out and they'll include some more parts from the additional footage shot for film 5.

Yes, I'm also disappointed that they did not include young Lily Potter in Snape's worst memory. But I've seen picture of this scene with Lily (and Harry at the background), so I'm also wondering why they didn't include that :no:

what is the picture? I thought I saw a still shot several months ago, with Lily wearing her hair in a side ponytale with a bow, but I'm not sure.

I think this is the image you're talking about:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s88/lobotomyfordummies/normal_scan0007oo3_copia.jpg

It was a shame they didn't keep it in. Lily's hair is awful, IMO.

Oh goodness, I do so love that pic of Lily and Harry. Meep. *wibble*

But her bunches ARE awful! :D

It's a shame they didn't include it, yep ... but I don't think they want to fire the Snape/Lily gun until the DH movie! :D :)

I was under the impression Lilly was supposed to be pretty popular with the boys (like Ginny) but from the few shots we see from filming I dont get that impression. The actress is by no means unattractive, from what I can tell she's a pretty girl, but not the man-magnet I imagined from the book.

I was under the impression Lilly was supposed to be pretty popular with the boys (like Ginny) but from the few shots we see from filming I dont get that impression. The actress is by no means unattractive, from what I can tell she's a pretty girl, but not the man-magnet I imagined from the book.

My thoughts exactly! No offence intended to the actress.

I think she had the potential to be a great Lily, but gosh, look at what they've done to her! Bright orange hair - I had always imagined Lily with deep, cherry-like, red hair - in bunches. It just doesn't suit her character IMO. I just think she looks really silly. She could have looked really good.

I was pretty disappointed that we didn't actually get to see any of her at all, not even on the DVD. A real shame.

I think she had the potential to be a great Lily, but gosh, look at what they've done to her! Bright orange hair - I had always imagined Lily with deep, cherry-like, red hair - in bunches. It just doesn't suit her character IMO. I just think she looks really silly. She could have looked really good.
I think the problem with her appearance is that she was made to look how movies in the past have shown the underdog. Movies I saw when I was little showed girls with bright orange hair in pigtails being teased by the other kids, not being popular and successful with the boys. Maybe they should have made her look a bit older. Done something with her hair at least.
Though I guess it doesnt matter now that she wasnt included in the film.

I think the problem with her appearance is that she was made to look how movies in the past have shown the underdog. Movies I saw when I was little showed girls with bright orange hair in pigtails being teased by the other kids, not being popular and successful with the boys. Maybe they should have made her look a bit older. Done something with her hair at least.


Exactly. She looks very daggy to me. Not the actress, but the way she's been dressed and had her hair done.

Ya, I wanted Lily to be very good-looking, and her hair should have been down, especially because it would have added to her magnatism, having this beautiful red long hair that she can throw back when she's yelling at james. In that picture she did look more like the girl people would tease. Do any of you ever think we will see that scene? On another DVD perhaps? On youtube? In a new format ten years from now?

Oh ya, and I'll also add that it bothered me a little that after Harry saw that memory, the movie did nothing with it. It showed him looking kind of sad walking out of Snape's office, but otherwise that's it. The only two reasons I can see for including that memory in the movie is to either show Snape being treated poorly as a teenager, or to show James and his friends weren't that nice and were sort of bullies. To have Harry see that memory and not have it discussed or anything seemed pointless. They should have either had Harry tell someone and talk about it with them (maybe Ron, maybe Hermione, maybe Lupin, but someone). Otherwise there's no effect on Harry. He still hates Snape, will hate him even more in the sixth movie, so it seems like Harry immediatley disregarded seeing him suffer as a child. And since the next time we're supposed to see Harry talking about his parents, it's in half-blood prince when he thinks the book may have been his dad's, it seems he wasn't bothered in the slightest about James behavior. Obviously in the book JK could show Harry did feel sorry for Snape, and was upset about James and his friends behavior, through Harry's thoughts. But to have the scene in the movie, and leave out any reaction on Harry's part, is pointless. If it's only for the audience to learn that it happened to Snape, then why? Why would we need to know that for any part of story 6 or 7 that will in the movie. We don't need to know that James was a jerk when Snape's memories in book seven show he loved Lily. And if they really wanted us to know James wasn't nice to Snape and that's why they hated each other, we already knew that from movie three. I just don't get it.

I think this is the image you're talking about:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s88/lobotomyfordummies/normal_scan0007oo3_copia.jpg

It was a shame they didn't keep it in. Lily's hair is awful, IMO.

Yes, this is it, thanks!

My thoughts exactly! No offence intended to the actress.

I agree completely. Maybe if her awful hairstyle was changed and we got a shot from the front of her face, rather than the side... I dunno.

I definitely am most disappointed in the fact that Lily wasn't included in SWM. But we probably wouldn't have noticed if she was in there because it went so fast! That was one of the main clues regarding Lily and Snape, and I find that it was extremely necessary.

In "Snape's Worst Memory" scene, Lily was aghast with what the Marauders did to her childhood friend Severus. And didn't she called - off James for what he's doing? Disappointed that this scene was cut.

In "Snape's Worst Memory" scene, Lily was aghast with what the Marauders did to her childhood friend Severus. And didn't she called - off James for what he's doing? Disappointed that this scene was cut.

I'm still trying to understand why they would think it alright to chop it up and slab it into the movie like sushi! They should've included a shot of Lily looking aghast and angry at James, at least... Something to influence Harry to show a bit more emotion. This scene is one of the reasons I dislike OotP so very much. It was one of the things that should've been shown in its entirety.

I had an idea as to why the scene SWM may have been cut. Although, I'm literally grasping at straws here. I feel like it was filmed and then cut and that's the end of it. We'll never see it. But, I have managed to conjure one idea that allows me to continue hoping. We know JK looks at the final script before filming begins. If something is too off-base, she tells them and they drop it. If something important is left out, they add it. My guess is that the SWM scene was included in the script in some form, she said it was important to the story and to include the maurauders and Lily. They then filmed the scene. In the editing process, when they were trying to edit and cut the film, they wanted to cut the scene down to make it more of a quick memory rather than the whole memory. They consulted with JK, she said it was important to the story to have the memory, although maybe they could save the long part with Lily until movie seven. And so the scene then consisted of a few seconds (seemingly) of James being a jerk to Snape, egged on by his friend. I'm hoping the part with Lily will be added to the seventh movie, during the prince's tale memory scene's. It would require the same actors looking the same anyways, so it would make sense. And we know that Lily and Snape's friendship ends because of that specific scene, so they will need to include it in the prince's tale scenes. From what we've seen, pictures and reports, it seems they filmed a lot more of that scene then they showed. I'll probably be severely disappointed when the seventh movie comes out and we don't get to see that scene. However, I also think there is a clear chance that they will use the scene in the seventh movie. I hope, I hope, I hope. Although I guess that may be a good thing or a bad thing. Great if we get to see the scene, bad that they can't fix Lily's hair!

I had an idea as to why the scene SWM may have been cut. Although, I'm literally grasping at straws here. I feel like it was filmed and then cut and that's the end of it. We'll never see it. But, I have managed to conjure one idea that allows me to continue hoping. We know JK looks at the final script before filming begins. If something is too off-base, she tells them and they drop it. If something important is left out, they add it. My guess is that the SWM scene was included in the script in some form, she said it was important to the story and to include the maurauders and Lily. They then filmed the scene. In the editing process, when they were trying to edit and cut the film, they wanted to cut the scene down to make it more of a quick memory rather than the whole memory. They consulted with JK, she said it was important to the story to have the memory, although maybe they could save the long part with Lily until movie seven. And so the scene then consisted of a few seconds (seemingly) of James being a jerk to Snape, egged on by his friend. I'm hoping the part with Lily will be added to the seventh movie, during the prince's tale memory scene's. It would require the same actors looking the same anyways, so it would make sense. And we know that Lily and Snape's friendship ends because of that specific scene, so they will need to include it in the prince's tale scenes. From what we've seen, pictures and reports, it seems they filmed a lot more of that scene then they showed. I'll probably be severely disappointed when the seventh movie comes out and we don't get to see that scene. However, I also think there is a clear chance that they will use the scene in the seventh movie. I hope, I hope, I hope. Although I guess that may be a good thing or a bad thing. Great if we get to see the scene, bad that they can't fix Lily's hair!

I'm hoping that your idea is correct then :D Though Lily's hair is atrocious, I must say. That ribbon is, IMHO, rather ridiculous. Of course I don't know if the Prince's Tale will be included in its entirety... though i'm hoping a good chunk makes it in the film.

I'm still trying to understand why they would think it alright to chop it up and slab it into the movie like sushi! They should've included a shot of Lily looking aghast and angry at James, at least... Something to influence Harry to show a bit more emotion. This scene is one of the reasons I dislike OotP so very much. It was one of the things that should've been shown in its entirety.It would have taken much too much time to show it all and to explain everything shown in it: that would really have killed the pacing of the film. Moreover, Lily's reaction really is not the point of the scene as far as this story is concerned: the point is to show an obvious reason why Snape would hate Harry's father and why Snape would discontinue the lessons, as well as to contradict Sirius' claim that James Potter was the best person that he'd ever known, and thus isolate Harry from the iconic image he had of his father.

One thing that we must take care when examining this film is not to use what we know now to evaluate what was important in this film. For one thing, Order's job was to tell Order's story: it cannot tell the story told in Hallows! Now, the bit about Lily did contribute another brick to Harry's wall: but the film did not need anymore bricks. The audience figured out that it was a story about Harry's isolation. Showing him having to witness his father being a bully was another brick right there. This film was not hurting for telling the story: it was hurting for overtelling the story! That can turn off an audience just as much as not telling a tale, because audiences begin to think: "Enough already! We got the point!"

(If you doubt this, then just scan through the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes: a quarter of them state the story in the posted blurb; and what the reviews did not like about the film was that stuff that a lot of people did not like about the book, not the deviations from the book!)

But the bigger issues is that this cannot be there to demonstrate much between Snape and Lily, or depend on the audience understanding such a relationship. If you were to have used this scene as evidence of Snape's friendship for Lily 4 years ago, then you would have gotten a lot of skeptical dismissals, including from this poster. (I did not view it as impossible: I just noted that there were lots of reasons why Lily would defend Snape against James that did not involve any particular relationship between Snape and Lily.) You would have had good luck posting it 1-2 years ago: the mods had to keep suspending the "Snape Loved Lily" threads because the people opposed to the idea were viscerally offended by it. (Prince converted me: but that was because Dumbledore told Harry that this was the case tacitly; this explained a bit more of SWM, but explanation after the fact is a bad idea in films!)

As such, why SWM was that (or if there was a single reason) is not relevant to this story or its plot: we did not know when we read the story, after all, and it worked just fine there. What is instead relevant to the story is Harry's reaction (which was a bit muted here, but, as I noted above, they were in serious danger of over-telling the story at this point). What is relevant to the plot is the termination of the occlumency lessons. Snape's possible relationship with Harry's mother simply does not affect either plot or story in this tale! On the other hand, the scene made the point that it needed to make: Snape had a legitimate beef with Harry's father and Sirius, and Snape is not mistreating Harry simply because he (Snape) is a jerk. It raises the further (semi) red-herring that Snape is not on Harry's side.


On a side note, while heavily delayed at an airport this last weekend, I watched Prisoner and Order back-to-back. (I did not quite have time to squeeze in Goblet afterwards: Thank you, O'Hare.... :grumble:) What is impressive is how well the two films flow together. The editing is a little more disjointed in Order, but that feels "natural" because it reflects Harry's disjointed state of mind: in fact, I found myself thinking that it should have been more disjointed to really capture how topsy-turvy things are in the protagonist's head.

Well, SWM could have been treated differently:

Harry is on the bridge saying: 'the more you care the more you have to los stuff', when Snape appears and leads him to the Occlumency Class.
Harry witnesses to Snape's worst memory, featuring Lily.
Harry then flees to Hagrid's Hut, and talks about his worst fears with Hagrid, instead of Remus and Sirius: did James force Lily to marry him?
But Hagrid comforts Harry, says that his parents loved each other, and it was Snape who was mean, evil, creepy, nasty, naughty, candy-stealer, unpopular bla bla bla...Harry looks convinced.
Shot of James and Lily in the Mirror of Erised.
NO GRAWP.

Well, SWM could have been treated differently:

Harry is on the bridge saying: 'the more you care the more you have to los stuff', when Snape appears and leads him to the Occlumency Class.
Harry witnesses to Snape's worst memory, featuring Lily.
Harry then flees to Hagrid's Hut, and talks about his worst fears with Hagrid, instead of Remus and Sirius: did James force Lily to marry him?
But Hagrid comforts Harry, says that his parents loved each other, and it was Snape who was mean, evil, creepy, nasty, naughty, candy-stealer, unpopular bla bla bla...Harry looks convinced.
Shot of James and Lily in the Mirror of Erised.
NO GRAWP.

:agree: That would've made a tremendous more amount of sense. Grawp, IMO, was unnecessary to the plot... like, completely. The Umbridge part at the end could've been perfectly fine without him, and none of the other plots would've suffered. Hagrid would still have been characterized from the conversation with Harry. That would've been so much better.

It would have taken much too much time to show it all and to explain everything shown in it: that would really have killed the pacing of the film. Moreover, Lily's reaction really is not the point of the scene as far as this story is concerned: the point is to show an obvious reason why Snape would hate Harry's father and why Snape would discontinue the lessons, as well as to contradict Sirius' claim that James Potter was the best person that he'd ever known, and thus isolate Harry from the iconic image he had of his father.

Even in the case, however, that the only point necessary to the plot is to reason why Severus hates James: The scene went too fast to measure out went was going on. It was a bunch of random snippits involving a spell and distorted-looking marauders with wands. If anything, a bit of a smoother scene would've helped the pacing. The memory didn't even result to anything... The plot didn't seem to develop any further after the occlumency lessons are ended. And it doesn't seem like Harry worries about the memory all too much. Maybe it went too fast for him to stomach too! :p

I believe JK or the filmmakers may have suggested that what is needed for the fifth movie is most importantly to see that Snape was picked on as a teenager, and then second to see that James and his friends often lead the assault on Snape. The Lily part would have come in third for the OOTP movie. But we know it's of vital importance to the seventh movie. That's why I hope they decided to save the filmed scene and use it in the seventh movie during the prince's tale memories. That is when the Lily and Snape friendship ended, during that scene. It will be of vast importance in the prince's tale memories during the seventh movie. While in the book, Harry seeing that his mother was kind was important to him, but in the movie, the story is so much shorter, that it is unneccessary. And those non-book readers who watch the movies won't need to have seen that memory in movie five. Showing it in movie seven will be efficient in conveying Snape's story. It was important in the book, to try and lead some to believe that Snape hated Lily as well, and that Lily wasn't fond of James, but in the movie, those points are often left by the wayside. And they spent two seconds showing Harry being affected by that memory, merely with his face looking a bit sad. Nothing else is mentioned in the movie to show Harry is bothered by that memory, and we know in book six that Harry is excited by the idea of his dad being the half-blood prince, so I doubt we'll get any further reaction from Harry as to what his father did. If the only point of the whole scene was to show why the lessons ended and that James and his friends weren't who we thought they were, then the whole thing was unneccessary. The movie showed us over and over that Harry was isolated and alone. We don't need a scene showing his dad being a jerk, because in the movie, we can only speculate that Harry felt more isolated because of it. And that would be loose speculation. We have no idea how much Harry was or wasn't affected by that memory, because the movie doesn't show us or tell us. We didn't need it to see that James was mean to Snape, because Sirius and Lupin already told us as much in the third movie. As for the lessons ending, I think that is totally unneccessary. The point of the lessons in the movie was to show why Harry could see vision's from V's life, and to explain what V could end up doing to Harry (ie planting visions). We saw that Harry wasn't good at being able to block Snape. We didn't need the lessons to officially end in the movie to explain why Harry saw the false vision V wanted him to see. He sucked at it! They didn't need to show the lessons ending. And for those who say the point of movie 5 is only to tell the story of movie 5, I strongly disagree. Kreacher wasn't needed to tell the story, but because his importance in the seventh movie, they added him. You could argue that seeing Kreacher in movie 5 helped the audience understand Sirius family home and what his family believed, but that's not neccessary to the story. The movie doesn't touch upon the subject of how reckless Sirius was feeling due to being trapped in that house for so long, and how Kreacher was a symbol of the family he hated. He tells us the only useful thing he was able to do was donate the house to the OOTP. He also explains that he hated his family and their pure-blood mania. We don't need to see Kreacher to drive the point home. He was added not for movie 5 story-telling, but instead, he was added for the series story-telling.

I believe JK or the filmmakers may have suggested that what is needed for the fifth movie is most importantly to see that Snape was picked on as a teenager, and then second to see that James and his friends often lead the assault on Snape. The Lily part would have come in third for the OOTP movie. But we know it's of vital importance to the seventh movie. That's why I hope they decided to save the filmed scene and use it in the seventh movie during the prince's tale memories. That is when the Lily and Snape friendship ended, during that scene. It will be of vast importance in the prince's tale memories during the seventh movie.

I agree. It's not of importance to the plot until DH, and if they show it there, I'll be happy. My problem was that the scene wasn't really treated as a memory, but a whirlwind of thoughts. Perhaps if they included a line or two, or just a quick snippit of something that registers as smooth, transitional thought, then people would've realized what was going on.

And they spent two seconds showing Harry being affected by that memory, merely with his face looking a bit sad. Nothing else is mentioned in the movie to show Harry is bothered by that memory, and we know in book six that Harry is excited by the idea of his dad being the half-blood prince, so I doubt we'll get any further reaction from Harry as to what his father did. If the only point of the whole scene was to show why the lessons ended and that James and his friends weren't who we thought they were, then the whole thing was unneccessary.

I agree with this as well. It was a confusing bit, and if we weren't going to get reaction or explanation via Harry telling/asking somebody about it, then I don't think it was necessary. The points in the book were: to show that Lily was kind to Snape, and influence speculation on why he hid this memory in the pensieve, rather than more horrific things, to show that James Potter wasn't as iconic as Harry believed him to be, and Harry doesn't really seem to care too much in the movie and to show why the lessons were permanently cut off from Snape. Lily was cut, but the first point can be relayed in DH, so that's fine. But the second point was not developed at all, so there isn't much reason to include this just for the fans. It throws off the streamline. Of course, I wanted this scene in because it's important, but because of what they did to it, I'd rather not have it at all... Especially if it has no purpose.

As for the lessons ending, I think that is totally unneccessary. The point of the lessons in the movie was to show why Harry could see vision's from V's life, and to explain what V could end up doing to Harry (ie planting visions). We saw that Harry wasn't good at being able to block Snape. We didn't need the lessons to officially end in the movie to explain why Harry saw the false vision V wanted him to see. He sucked at it! They didn't need to show the lessons ending.

Indeed, which gives the few minutes taken up by the memory formerly known as Snape's Worst to have little to no point to anything. If it were the true SWM, it would've had a purpose.

And for those who say the point of movie 5 is only to tell the story of movie 5, I strongly disagree.

:clap:

Oh My God. I have just watched OOTP for the 100th time and it's just now that I noticed that after Umbrige found out about the DA, she tortured them by making them write lines with those quills! I thought that they were normal quills, but now that I look closely, they are the same she used with Harry! No wonder Fred&George were glaring at here like that! Horrible toad-faced woman. IMO. [the description is canon]

~WendyPotter

My problem was that the scene wasn't really treated as a memory, but a whirlwind of thoughts. Perhaps if they included a line or two, or just a quick snippit of something that registers as smooth, transitional thought, then people would've realized what was going on.
Well, Harry had seen it through Snape's head in the film, as opposed to seeing it Snape's Penseive. And in the book, when Harry had invaded Snape's mind, the thoughts were jumpy.

Oh My God. I have just watched OOTP for the 100th time and it's just now that I noticed that after Umbrige found out about the DA, she tortured them by making them write lines with those quills! I thought that they were normal quills, but now that I look closely, they are the same she used with Harry! No wonder Fred&George were glaring at here like that! Horrible toad-faced woman. IMO. [the description is canon]

Yep :no: She also uses it on a First Year who Fred & George comfort. That seems to be the last straw for them in the film.

What was actually the purpose of leaving SWM in the OotP movie at all? Why not just skip the whole thing?

:agree: That would've made a tremendous more amount of sense. Grawp, IMO, was unnecessary to the plot... like, completely. The Umbridge part at the end could've been perfectly fine without him, and none of the other plots would've suffered. Hagrid would still have been characterized from the conversation with Harry. That would've been so much better.

In OOTP, I find the subplot on Grawp a bit tedious, but after reading DH, that's when I appreciate the important task given by Dumbledore to Hagrid - to talk to the giants (and finding his brother Grawp), coz in the final battle Grawp helped defend Hogwarts.

So it's also important to introduce Grawp in the movie.

What was actually the purpose of leaving SWM in the OotP movie at all? Why not just skip the whole thing?

Well, I think Harry was supposed to see how his father treated Snape... But since that never really produced any reaction or emotion and the memory didn't include Lily, I don't think that SWM served any purpose whatsoever.

In OOTP, I find the subplot on Grawp a bit tedious, but after reading DH, that's when I appreciate the important task given by Dumbledore to Hagrid - to talk to the giants (and finding his brother Grawp), coz in the final battle Grawp helped defend Hogwarts.

So it's also important to introduce Grawp in the movie.

Think of a film you watched once two or three years ago. What minor scenes and characters do you remember? As the Grawp sub-plot was so dull (in both book and film), audiences are not likely to remember it or appreciate any importance it is supposed to have.

They should have cut it.

Think of a film you watched once two or three years ago. What minor scenes and characters do you remember? As the Grawp sub-plot was so dull (in both book and film), audiences are not likely to remember it or appreciate any importance it is supposed to have.

They should have cut it.

Indeed. :agree: I don't think his place in the following movies is that crucial anyway.

Think of a film you watched once two or three years ago. What minor scenes and characters do you remember? As the Grawp sub-plot was so dull (in both book and film), audiences are not likely to remember it or appreciate any importance it is supposed to have.

They should have cut it.

Yes, they probably should have cut it, I agree. It was a waste of time and they could have done it better.

Indeed. :agree: I don't think his place in the following movies is that crucial anyway.

:agree: It would be pointless to add him into the following movies. Most people won't care that much about him by that point.

I was watching OotP last night and pausing all of the newspapers to read the headlines for articles:

VAMPIRE ADMITTED TO CASUALTY AFTER GARLIC BREAD

WIN A NIGHT IN TRANSLVANNIA!

NEED CREDIT FOR A NEW BROOMSTICK?

NARGLES SPOTTED ON...

GLADRAGS: 245 Years dressing the Elegant Wizard

LIZARD BELT! (There is a picture of a belt with lizards hanging off it) :lol:

VAMPIRE ADMITTED TO CASUALTY AFTER GARLIC BREAD



That is brilliant. :lol:

I was watching OotP last night and pausing all of the newspapers to read the headlines for articles:

VAMPIRE ADMITTED TO CASUALTY AFTER GARLIC BREAD

WIN A NIGHT IN TRANSLVANNIA!

NEED CREDIT FOR A NEW BROOMSTICK?

NARGLES SPOTTED ON...

GLADRAGS: 245 Years dressing the Elegant Wizard

LIZARD BELT! (There is a picture of a belt with lizards hanging off it) :lol:

:rotfl: I actually haven't ever noticed the other headlines! :lol: They're so funny. I like that they add these little things in :)

Ah man, I just saw a good copy of this movie and I couldn't believe how they changed the scene in the MOM. They turned it into star wars! Instead of Harry attacking Bella with crucio and her telling Harry he had to mean it, they had Voldemort telling Harry to cast the curse at Bella, trynig to get him to do an unforgiveable and then saying "do it"! It was exactly like Anakin and Lord Sidious all over again; down to the "do it!". That was pretty lame in my opinion because there was no element of trying to get Harry to become evil in JKR's book, so that didn't even make sense. They should have left it like it was in the book - Voldemort wanted to kill Harry, not earn him as an apprentice! :lol:

Ah man, I just saw a good copy of this movie and I couldn't believe how they changed the scene in the MOM. They turned it into star wars! Instead of Harry attacking Bella with crucio and her telling Harry he had to mean it, they had Voldemort telling Harry to cast the curse at Bella, trynig to get him to do an unforgiveable and then saying "do it"! It was exactly like Anakin and Lord Sidious all over again; down to the "do it!". That was pretty lame in my opinion because there was no element of trying to get Harry to become evil in JKR's book, so that didn't even make sense. They should have left it like it was in the book - Voldemort wanted to kill Harry, not earn him as an apprentice! :lol:
However there is an element of Harry trying to become evil or at least using evil tactics. Starting from GoF we came to understand that using the Unforgivable curses were sanctioned by the ministry during Voldemort's first war. In OoTP it's the first time we get to see Harry want to kill someone and use it, in HBP once again it's him trying to kill Snape and finally in DH people are trying to discourage Harry from just stunning and shoot to kill. While the idea of Voldemort trying persuade Harry was not in the book, it translated into the film well because it shows the connection between Harry and Voldemort and how he rejects his way of life, as well with showing the darkness that Harry has to fight in being a overall good person.

However there is an element of Harry trying to become evil or at least using evil tactics. Starting from GoF we came to understand that using the Unforgivable curses were sanctioned by the ministry during Voldemort's first war. In OoTP it's the first time we get to see Harry want to kill someone and use it, in HBP once again it's him trying to kill Snape and finally in DH people are trying to discourage Harry from just stunning and shoot to kill. While the idea of Voldemort trying persuade Harry was not in the book, it translated into the film well because it shows the connection between Harry and Voldemort and how he rejects his way of life, as well with showing the darkness that Harry has to fight in being a overall good person.


I suppose if they hadn't make Lord Voldemort sound like Lord Sidious and use the exact same "do it!" in the exact same way and all the cajoling about you have to mean it - I wouldn't have seen the comparison. But it was a pretty blatant rip off from Star Wars. What you have said makes sense, but I am not sure the average movie goer would get the connection bit, because he is pretty much there watching which Harry (and the audience) soon discovers. When I saw it, I just thought Voldy was trying to make Harry do an evil act - which is what was up in SW. I still think they should have left it as it was in the book. The audience already knew that Voldemort would break into Harry's mind after the Occulmency scene and Dumbledore's earlier words.

"Do it!"

They should have left it like it was in the book - Voldemort wanted to kill Harry, not earn him as an apprentice! :lol:

The impression I got from that scene in the film was that Voldy was taunting Harry. Yes, he wanted to kill him. In no uncertain terms! But not before he'd had some fun with Harry first. He contemptously knocks aside any attempt from Harry to block him ... Harry is no match for him, and he knows it.

I read OotP again after seeing the film and was interested in seeing where the book's account of this scene differed from the film's. Since I think that the film-makers convey what needs to be conveyed in this scene, very effectively, I have no problems with the changes they made. :) Which are, to my mind, pretty subtle anyway.

I was watching OotP last night and pausing all of the newspapers to read the headlines for articles:

VAMPIRE ADMITTED TO CASUALTY AFTER GARLIC BREAD

WIN A NIGHT IN TRANSLVANNIA!

NEED CREDIT FOR A NEW BROOMSTICK?

NARGLES SPOTTED ON...

GLADRAGS: 245 Years dressing the Elegant Wizard

LIZARD BELT! (There is a picture of a belt with lizards hanging off it) :lol:

Whoa! I only spotted "Need Credit for a New Broomstick?" Wow! But Daily Prophet having something about Nargles? That is not what they would do!!!

What was actually the purpose of leaving SWM in the OotP movie at all? Why not just skip the whole thing?

the purpose was to show why Snape hated Harry so much. it wasnt just because he was undeservedly popular for such a mediocre student, it was really because Harry was the son of the guy who picked on him mercilessly. thats why Snape thinks nows his chance to return the favor. he abruptly ended the occlumency lessons pretty much the same reason in the books anway-- Harry saw the humiliation of his youth, so he kicked him out.

the purpose was to show why Snape hated Harry so much. it wasnt just because he was undeservedly popular for such a mediocre student, it was really because Harry was the son of the guy who picked on him mercilessly. thats why Snape thinks nows his chance to return the favor. he abruptly ended the occlumency lessons pretty much the same reason in the books anway-- Harry saw the humiliation of his youth, so he kicked him out.

But was it even worth ending the Occlumency lessons? It was established that Harry was terrible at closing his mind, he remains terrible after Snape throws him out. It was a little redundant, especially as there was no weight given to this revelation that Snape was right about James being an arrogant bully.

But was it even worth ending the Occlumency lessons? It was established that Harry was terrible at closing his mind, he remains terrible after Snape throws him out. It was a little redundant, especially as there was no weight given to this revelation that Snape was right about James being an arrogant bully.

Yes, the whole Lily/James/Severus debacle is being given very short shrift in the films, isn't it? :lol:

You know, I really don't mind. I just don't think the films could have included everything.

I think the Occlumency lessons in the film - which were done well, despite the very truncated nature of Snape's Worst Memory - did establish the source of Movie Snape's antipathy towards Movie Harry. Which does set up things OK for HBP.

Yes, the whole Lily/James/Severus debacle is being given very short shrift in the films, isn't it? :lol:

You know, I really don't mind. I just don't think the films could have included everything.

I think the Occlumency lessons in the film - which were done well, despite the very truncated nature of Snape's Worst Memory - did establish the source of Movie Snape's antipathy towards Movie Harry. Which does set up things OK for HBP.

It didn't really set up anything though. It was far too throwaway for any non-reader to remember when it comes to HBP. Are they really going to remember an inconsequential plot point, a flashback no less, from a summer blockbuster they saw 18 months ago? If they want to set up Snape in HBP, they need to do it in HBP, not clutter up the preceeding movie with stuff to appease purists.

But was it even worth ending the Occlumency lessons? It was established that Harry was terrible at closing his mind, he remains terrible after Snape throws him out. It was a little redundant, especially as there was no weight given to this revelation that Snape was right about James being an arrogant bully.

it confirms that Snape was right about James being arrogant, and it showed Harry (as well as your audience) proof that good 'ol Dad isnt quite the saintly martyr we were all lead to believe.

the films didnt elaborate that its actually the quitting of Harry's Occlumency lessons that triggered the disastrous consequences that followed-- that which lead into the MoM battle and eventually Sirius' death. that kind of explanation kinda falls into gratuitous book details that some of y'all are frownin over ;)



Yes, the whole Lily/James/Severus debacle is being given very short shrift in the films, isn't it? :lol:

they may show it in DH, it is after all part of the reason why Snape is Dumbledore's man and not Voldemort's. but heck who knows what will and wont make it in the movies? i have to keep reminding myself that FilmHarry does not have green eyes neither does his eyes resemble the actress who plays his mother. (maybe they ought to get Frodo, stick a red wig on him and see if that works better eh?) ;)

i have to keep reminding myself that FilmHarry does not have green eyes neither does his eyes resemble the actress who plays his mother. (maybe they ought to get Frodo, stick a red wig on him and see if that works better eh?) ;)

But the colour of Harry eyes is not important. All that matters is that they are like his mothers. Never is their being green important ant any point. Slughorn gives up that memory in HBP becuase Harry has Lily's eyes, not because they are green. In the movies, Harry has blue eyes, Lily has blue eyes. Nothing has been changed that will affect the plot.

i have to keep reminding myself that FilmHarry does not have green eyes neither does his eyes resemble the actress who plays his mother. (maybe they ought to get Frodo, stick a red wig on him and see if that works better eh?) ;)

Now there's an intriguing mental image. :whistle: Frodo as Lily???? :err:

I do miss the green eyes. :( As lovely as Dan's are. *ahem* :p

But Jo Rowling said that Dan would have needed to have worn contacts, and that would have been uncomfortable for a little lad ... he was only 10 when filming started, after all. (Aw).

errr...why would he need to wear contacts? Your signature is proof, Pearl_Took of what could have been. ;) And that was photoshopped by a FAN. Imagine what WB could have done.

Has the fact that Harry has Lily's eyes been stressed at all in the movies? Or the fact that he looks just like James except for his eyes? Maybe in 7 they will just say that Snape was reminded of Lily every time he looks at Harry, but not bother to explain why. It was a huge point in the books, but I don't remember it being that huge in the movies.

Has the fact that Harry has Lily's eyes been stressed at all in the movies? Or the fact that he looks just like James except for his eyes? Maybe in 7 they will just say that Snape was reminded of Lily every time he looks at Harry, but not bother to explain why. It was a huge point in the books, but I don't remember it being that huge in the movies.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the only instances in which anyone (Lupin on the bridge and Sirius just before he leaves) mentions Harry having Lily's eyes were in Prisoner of Azkaban. I think (certainly hope) we may get a couple more mentions from Slughorn in Half-Blood Prince, because I can't imagine Snape's death scene without those last words, and they'd need to keep that through-line. Harry's resemblance to James, physically and sometimes in manner, has been fairly consistent, though.

It didn't really set up anything though. It was far too throwaway for any non-reader to remember when it comes to HBP. Are they really going to remember an inconsequential plot point, a flashback no less, from a summer blockbuster they saw 18 months ago? If they want to set up Snape in HBP, they need to do it in HBP, not clutter up the preceeding movie with stuff to appease purists.

I agree. SWM wasn't as necessary in OotP if they weren't going to establish the reasons why Snape hated James/Sirius/Lupin better, and/or the introduction to Lily. The fact that once Harry saw the snippit of randomness, he didn't seem as affected as he should've been was a reason to ask, "Well, why was that necessary if it has no effect on anything else?" Sure, we find out James is a meanie, but if that's not going to heavily weigh on other plots, or affect them, then why did we need it?

it confirms that Snape was right about James being arrogant, and it showed Harry (as well as your audience) proof that good 'ol Dad isnt quite the saintly martyr we were all lead to believe.

It did in the books. It was important in the books. Harry didn't even have the memory of his parents on his side anymore, it seemed, and the reality of the situation hits him like a brick. It advances the plot, sets up the Snape plot for the coming books, and even hints at Snape loving Lily (one of the only memories he hides are of him calling her a mudblood; he's ashamed). In the movie, however, what purpose did it serve us? As yoshi said: audiences won't remember the tiny attempt at setting up Snape and James' hate for one another, Lily was cut, and the whole thing went so fast that it was virtually pointless. And did Harry reflect on it later? Nah. They just moved on; no feelings lingered into further plots. This is my problem with Yates. If the plot makes the movie, it needs to be complete and have a point. Don't try and throw in as many plots as you can, because then we end up with choppiness and odd pacing. It was too much... for me, at least.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the only instances in which anyone (Lupin on the bridge and Sirius just before he leaves) mentions Harry having Lily's eyes were in Prisoner of Azkaban. I think (certainly hope) we may get a couple more mentions from Slughorn in Half-Blood Prince, because I can't imagine Snape's death scene without those last words, and they'd need to keep that through-line. Harry's resemblance to James, physically and sometimes in manner, has been fairly consistent, though.

I think they need to press further that Harry's eyes are just like his mother's. They mention it in PS/SS, I think... Hagrid does, right? When he first meets Harry? Then I know Lupin mentions it in PoA. I'm not sure about CoS, but it seems like something Columbus liked to include as a motif.

I think they need to press further that Harry's eyes are just like his mother's. They mention it in PS/SS, I think... Hagrid does, right? When he first meets Harry? Then I know Lupin mentions it in PoA. I'm not sure about CoS, but it seems like something Columbus liked to include as a motif.

I'm pretty sure Columbus' films never mentioned it; I just checked the "Keeper of the Keys" scene in SS and there's nothing from Hagrid there, and I don't recall anything in CoS.

But the colour of Harry eyes is not important. All that matters is that they are like his mothers. Never is their being green important ant any point. Slughorn gives up that memory in HBP becuase Harry has Lily's eyes, not because they are green. In the movies, Harry has blue eyes, Lily has blue eyes. Nothing has been changed that will affect the plot.

thats my point exactly, Harry's eyes remind people of Lily's eyes, didnt matter what color they were. but i dont think the films have done anything to emphasize this point, which wound up being crucial in the end. i mean this is film, its supposed to be all about visual representation, and if i just go from the films alone i'd say Harry doesnt look anything like his parents, much less the eyes of the actress who plays his mother.

now i did some digging around the net, and i found that Geraldine Somerville do have the same size, shape and shade as Dan Radcliffe's eyes. but i had to make the effort to research. the film should have made that fact obvious, which isnt the case. i mean, what is this homework? if the films would include this important fact to relate to Snape's characterization then they have to pick up the pace, because the audience aint gettin' it.



It did in the books. It was important in the books. Harry didn't even have the memory of his parents on his side anymore, it seemed, and the reality of the situation hits him like a brick. It advances the plot, sets up the Snape plot for the coming books, and even hints at Snape loving Lily (one of the only memories he hides are of him calling her a mudblood; he's ashamed). In the movie, however, what purpose did it serve us? As yoshi said: audiences won't remember the tiny attempt at setting up Snape and James' hate for one another, Lily was cut, and the whole thing went so fast that it was virtually pointless. And did Harry reflect on it later? Nah. They just moved on; no feelings lingered into further plots. This is my problem with Yates. If the plot makes the movie, it needs to be complete and have a point. Don't try and throw in as many plots as you can, because then we end up with choppiness and odd pacing. It was too much... for me, at least.

for me it served its purpose quite well, Snape hated Harry with such fervor there had to be something there thats personal. and indeed there was: Harry was the son of the bully who made his life a living hell. that alone would make anyone want some payback.


and you know what, i find it funny that you guys are whining about the pacing. its the shortest film in the series and the most straightforward. it is so direct to the point its almost austere. its sacrificed a lot of other character moments because of the story arc its trying to form through the next two films. you cut down anymore from this you'd wound up with a film the same length as an animated feature.

I'm pretty sure Columbus' films never mentioned it; I just checked the "Keeper of the Keys" scene in SS and there's nothing from Hagrid there, and I don't recall anything in CoS.

For some reason, I can hear Richard Harris saying it in my head.

I was very pleased with the climax of OOTP it was just as trhilling as the book Ireally do think Ralph is a brilliant actor he makes Voldemort quite sinister.

OotP was like PoA: BAD and RUSHED.

IN HBP, they have to fix EVERYTHING so they can add things relating to DH and have a really nice tip-top shape plot relating to the book. All I care about is how good they do it and if they don't rush it.

To me David Yates is a gittery guy, like a squirrel he reminds me of. When i see OotP, i can look back and say "I can expect that from him, a rushed movie."

If they can fix up HBP, we are in for one hell of a movie for DH.

i didnt like those directly front on shots at the beginning when Harry was talking to Dudley's gang. they looked terrible.

i didnt like those directly front on shots at the beginning when Harry was talking to Dudley's gang. they looked terrible.

Well I liked the actual look of the scene. I thought it was visually good. For me, the problem with that scene was the acting from Dudley, but I'm just picky. :rolleyes:

Well I liked the actual look of the scene. I thought it was visually good. For me, the problem with that scene was the acting from Dudley, but I'm just picky. :rolleyes:

I like the way they portrayed Dudley in OotP. They made him stupid by him talking slow and how Dudley is kinda a bully. If they did this kind of portrayal in the first four movies, then Dudley in this movie would have made more sense.

I like the way they portrayed Dudley in OotP. They made him stupid by him talking slow and how Dudley is kinda a bully. If they did this kind of portrayal in the first four movies, then Dudley in this movie would have made more sense.

It certainly did kind of come out of the blue and wasn't consistent with the portrayal we had had of Dudley previously. I don't know, it just made the scene laughable for me, and I think they could have easily shown Dudley's stupididty in other way, primarily through his dialogue. :)

I think it's simply that the kid who plays Dudley is a really, really bad actor.

Dudley is a completely unimportant character, and not worth the film-makers spending 10 seconds bothering about. General audiences would not remember anything about Dudley "previously". It's all they can do to remember Dumbledore. Remember, non-readers (90% of the audience) forget about a Harry Potter film as they walk away from the cinema, until it's time for the next one.

Excuse me but I don't find any thread about "harry potter and the Half-Blood Prince" movie...

I have read and interview of Rottenmatoes with Jason Isaacs (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_half_blood_prince/news/1708797/) that he will not appear in this movie.

I understand in book version we could read that Lucius is closed in Azkaban prison... and perhaps his protagonism in this book is fewer than others but I think it could be necessary that Lucius appears in movie because there are people perhaps haven't read all Harry Potter's books...

What do you think about that? I think it would be necessary that he appears... and you?

It certainly did kind of come out of the blue and wasn't consistent with the portrayal we had had of Dudley previously. I don't know, it just made the scene laughable for me, and I think they could have easily shown Dudley's stupididty in other way, primarily through his dialogue. :)

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but what about Dudley's change of heart in Deathly Hallows? He clearly states that Harry is not a waste of space and seems to have a moment of clarity and sympathy for Harry's plight.

I think that part is CRUCIAL for readers (not non readers because they truly don't get the scope about how bad Harry's home life truly is) because it shows that things are coming to a close and coming full circle.

Thoughts?

Excuse me but I don't find any thread about "harry potter and the Half-Blood Prince" movie...

You may be interested in this thread: The All-Inclusive HBP Movie Thread v5 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=115434) :)

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but what about Dudley's change of heart in Deathly Hallows? He clearly states that Harry is not a waste of space and seems to have a moment of clarity and sympathy for Harry's plight.

I think that part is CRUCIAL for readers (not non readers because they truly don't get the scope about how bad Harry's home life truly is) because it shows that things are coming to a close and coming full circle.

Thoughts?

Indeed. But I don't think it is crucial to the main plot, although I do hope that they will keep it. For more discussion on Deathly Hallows, you might want to check out this thread: The Deathly Hallows Movie v.2 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=113819) :)

I do wish Luna was in it more But I was plaesed very pleased actually with Evana's performance she is very beautiful also

Ok, so how many thought that OotP could've been directed in a better way?
[raises up hand] I do.
I thought the only people who acted well were:
Helena Bonham Carter (Bellatrix)
Evanna Lynch (Luna)
Alan Rickman (Snape), as always, and
Jason Isaacs (Lucius Malfoy)

The others didn't act as well as they've done before.
What do you think?

Evanna hardly acted. She's enough like Luna that she didn't have to do much.

Anyway, I disagree. OOTP was a mess of a book (in regards to film conversion), so it was going to be messy regardless. As for the acting, most believe the acting was loads better, if we're going by consensus.

Evanna hardly acted. She's enough like Luna that she didn't have to do much.

I can see where you're coming from, but she did do a good portrayal, no matter how much she is like Luna in real life. :) It also helped that she understood the character so well being such a big fan.

I can see where you're coming from, but she did do a good portrayal, no matter how much she is like Luna in real life. :) It also helped that she understood the character so well being such a big fan.

I agree. Also, no matter how much she is actually like Luna, she still has to be able to deliver her lines believably.

I think that Evanna was the best actress. She protrayed Luna amazingly. I did think Dan improved greatly, I was more convinced with the performance than I ever have been. Of course Rickman, Carter, and Isaacs were fabulous.

I think that Evanna was the best actress. She protrayed Luna amazingly. I did think Dan improved greatly, I was more convinced with the performance than I ever have been. Of course Rickman, Carter, and Isaacs were fabulous.

on the contrary, I don't think it took much effort for Evanna to act in this movie. Mind you, she is brilliant on portraying Luna but, she IS luna, so there was little acting required.

I'm sorry, this may seem like a really stupid question but does anyone know how to access the enhanced features of the dvd?
I've played it in my computer and there's no change in the content of the movie, than in a normal dvd player. The special features still only hae deleted scenes, trailing tonks,movie time line andthe te movie recap (where theve got the cast & crew saying things here and there).

I kinda feel let down by the 5th movie..Funny thing is, I enjoyed it immensely the first time.. but the second not so much so and the third was downright boring. My first impression was undoubtedly influenced by the pure joy of a fan seeing 'their' book on screen..Despite truly ingenious moments- Umbridges presention and the music!, the fight at the Ministry, Voldemort vs. Dumbledore and Harry; Alan Rickman, Gary Oldman and Ralph Finnes:drool: ; Fred and George- the overall impression of dullness, scrupulous following the plot and some real bad acting from Daniel Radcliffe, again, have ruined it for me on the long run.

How do you feel- has your perception of the movie changed in time, too? Or why is it, if you like it?

Greet.

P.S. Oh! And there was that incredibly cool bit of broom flying, of the Advanced Guard nad Harry, you know, over the surface of the Themse and over London...mmmm, that was great :D

no disrespect but I really liked OOTP. Call me crazy but I thought Radcliffe did an excellent job in most parts, esp when Sirius died. I'd say that i Harry's anguish but maybe I'm the only one out there. I thought the movie was rushed although I found it very enjoyable.

the music. amazing. i think it set the tone for 95% of the scenes perfectly. honestly i wish they would have given a bit more of Ginny's sass, growing sex appeal to other adolescent boys, etc but overall I think they did it a justice. The 5th book was my favorite of the series and I did not walk out of the theatre disappointed.

In fact, the movie has grown on me each time I watch it. Again, call me crazy.

I thought the duel was excellent, the possession was very well done by Radcliffe. It was a scary scene and to me, very well done on all parts. I really liked the "...it's not how you are alike" and "..i feel sorry for you" parts.

Call me a sap but i loved it.

HarrietaPotter I can't disagree with you about the poor acting from radcliffe again, but he does look like an oscar winner in comparison to sorcerors stone and chamber of secrets. Let's be honest Daniel, Rupert, and Emma really aren't that great of actors but they're learning you can't deny that. It might also put them in a bad light acting beside such brilliant actors like Fiennes, Rickman, and Gary Oldman...take that into consideration

HarrietaPotter I can't disagree with you about the poor acting from radcliffe again, but he does look like an oscar winner in comparison to sorcerors stone and chamber of secrets. Let's be honest Daniel, Rupert, and Emma really aren't that great of actors but they're learning you can't deny that. It might also put them in a bad light acting beside such brilliant actors like Fiennes, Rickman, and Gary Oldman...take that into consideration

Yay quidditch! I agree. Let's face it, Daniel is no Oldman and honestly, does anyone expect him to be? One thing I think is so great about the series is that JKR has made it so much about OTHER characters other than Harry. How many people love Snape? How many are just as die hard Fred and George Fans? She has made it so others can shine and I think that is what is great about the movies as well. Other actors/actresses are able to shine although the premise of the movie is HP. Anyone catch my drift?:err:

Oh, but you are both right, of course! 9and3quarters, why should we call you crazy for liking this movie? :relax: I really understand how you feel about it! My favourite book is also Five, oddly enough and Radcliffe really learned tons since the first movie..although, again oddly enough, I like him in the first one the best. Of course the OotP was rushed, but the music really is awesome. :clap:

And as quidditch44 pointed out, Daniel, Ema and Rupert (but Rupert actually got quite good, you know) haven't stood a chance next to such dinosaurs :lol:as Maggie Smith (gosh, she is so wonderful, I hope she stays with us for a long time ) and the others.

Probably the greatest flaw of the film is indeed the rush to finish. :( I wonder if it is so good for the young actors, too..Surely, I puts a great strain on them?

Probably the greatest flaw of the film is indeed the rush to finish. :( I wonder if it is so good for the young actors, too..Surely, I puts a great strain on them?

Yea, im sure it must be difficult for the younger actors to get used to the rushed excitement of the movie industry, but that's how every movie is. It's a race against the clock because the sooner they finish a movie the less money they end up spending. Therefore, more profit. Ideally it would be nice to take some time to try and mentor these younger actors and attempt to mould them into brilliant actors like their counterparts (oldman, rickman, finnes etc.) but they need to get the movies finished quickly the maximize profit and keep the screaming potter fans from rioting leavesden studios...I dont want to wait any longer than I have to!

I was just thinking about the Order VS the Death Eaters fight the other night and how fantastic it is!! I love how it was filmed and it was a great scene in the book too.

I was just thinking about the DA VS the Death Eaters fight the other night and how fantastic it is!! I love how it was filmed and it was a great scene in the book too.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You MUST be JOKING!!! :p

The Dumbledore vs. Voldemort duel was great! :agree:

BUT

The Order/DA vs. DE'S was NOT :no:

It didn't resemble the Book in the Slighest, I'll elaborate:

a.) The DE's were very FRIENDLY, not ONE spell was fired at the kids and in the BOOK, Hermione nearly died, Neville had his face stomped on and he was tortured with Crucio by Bella, Ginny broke her ankle, and Ron was attacked by brains.

IMO, it was an INSULT to the DA and their TRAINING for them to be CAPTURED (This didn't happen in the book) and not have any "Battle Wounds" to show they actually PUT UP A FIGHT(of course, not much of a fight is necessary if your ENEMY isn't BATTLING)!

Did GOLDENBERG even READ THE BOOK??? :no:

b.) Where were the OTHER ROOMS? Now I realize they weren't all necessary, but I found it BORING for them to be just running down AISLE after AISLE shooting of STUPEFY constantly. Some variety with use of other rooms, spells, and dialogue from the book would've been nice!

Oh, and that's another thing, is that the ONLY SPELL THEY KNOW??? And the EFFECT WAS EVEN WRONG, it should've KNOCKED the DE'S UNCONCIOUS!!!

The DA vs. DE had to be the WEAKEST BATTLE EVER!!! :td:


Now, the ORDER vs. DE's was OKAY, but it was TOO RUSHED! And WHY was everyone FLYING??? I realize it was SUPPOSED to be APPARITION but it was OVERDONE, they could've just simply had the forming and with smoke clouds. The scenes were they were actually FLYING AROUND THE ROOM were POINTLESS, it was too FAST, and you COULDN'T SEE WHO WAS BATTLING WHOM!!!

NOTE: I am NOT a purist, but OotP was my FAVORITE book and this was my FAVORITE part and they **** it up!!! :grumble: :grumble: :grumble:


I'm going to post this too from one of my posts elsewhere it says some of the same things but I thought I explained it BETTER in this post:

The fight could have benefited greatly from 10 more min. :tu:

It didn't even resemble the book. Where was the spinning room with 12 doorways leading to other rooms with more doors (the brain room, the time room, etc.)? They weren't just running down countless long aisles shooting off STUPEFY's. Besides Stupefy should have knocked the Death Eater's unconcious!!! In the book both sides suffered injuries. And none of the DA got so much as a scratch in the movie! I guess they thought it was too VIOLENT, considering how they **** up the Attack on Mr. Weasley! Oh no, we might lose the kids/money! *gasp* :lol:

In the book, Hermione was almost killed by Dolohov's Purple Slashing Spell, Ron was attacked by killer brains, Neville had a broken nose and his face was bleeding not to mention being tortured by Bella with CRUCIO, Ginny had a broken ankle....

BTW, I'm not a purist, I just wanted to see the MoM battle done right and I think GOLDENBERG failed!!! I couldn't care less about most of the other cuts and changes but this entire sequence should have been more developed!


Does anyone else AGREE ???

:relax:

You MUST be JOKING!!!
heheh..i think stacy is not joking...The Order/DA vs. DE'S was NOT

i think you know i agree with the fact the DA sucked in the movie they even got caught and harry handed in the prophesy...i just cant get over this...in hte book the DA puts up a very good fight and they dont beat the DE but they do keep them busy until the Order arrives...


Now, the ORDER vs. DE's was OKAY, but it was TOO RUSHED!

agree...agree....agree...it should have shown more display of magic...not a bunh of flashes here and there...but this i can live with ...the Da fight,the da being caught...harry handing in the prophesy....that part i hated...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You MUST be JOKING!!! :p

The Dumbledore vs. Voldemort duel was great! :agree:

BUT

The Order/DA vs. DE'S was NOT :no:

It didn't resemble the Book in the Slighest, I'll elaborate:

a.) The DE's were very FRIENDLY, not ONE spell was fired at the kids and in the BOOK, Hermione nearly died, Neville had his face stomped on and he was tortured with Crucio by Bella, Ginny broke her ankle, and Ron was attacked by brains.

IMO, it was an INSULT to the DA and their TRAINING for them to be CAPTURED (This didn't happen in the book) and not have any "Battle Wounds" to show they actually PUT UP A FIGHT(of course, not much of a fight is necessary if your ENEMY isn't BATTLING)!

Did GOLDENBERG even READ THE BOOK??? :no:

b.) Where were the OTHER ROOMS? Now I realize they weren't all necessary, but I found it BORING for them to be just running down AISLE after AISLE shooting of STUPEFY constantly. Some variety with use of other rooms, spells, and dialogue from the book would've been nice!

Oh, and that's another thing, is that the ONLY SPELL THEY KNOW??? And the EFFECT WAS EVEN WRONG, it should've KNOCKED the DE'S UNCONCIOUS!!!

The DA vs. DE had to be the WEAKEST BATTLE EVER!!! :td:


Now, the ORDER vs. DE's was OKAY, but it was TOO RUSHED! And WHY was everyone FLYING??? I realize it was SUPPOSED to be APPARITION but it was OVERDONE, they could've just simply had the forming and with smoke clouds. The scenes were they were actually FLYING AROUND THE ROOM were POINTLESS, it was too FAST, and you COULDN'T SEE WHO WAS BATTLING WHOM!!!

NOTE: I am NOT a purist, but OotP was my FAVORITE book and this was my FAVORITE part and they **** it up!!! :grumble: :grumble: :grumble:


I'm going to post this too from one of my posts elsewhere it says some of the same things but I thought I explained it BETTER in this post:



Does anyone else AGREE ???

:relax:

I was really disappointed in the DA vs DE fight too. When I was watching it for the first time I was so upset that they didn't include the other rooms (the time turners, the revolving doors, etc.) and the actual battle with the DA members fighting. I felt like they really didn't do that sequence justice. They could have omitted just a few minutes of one of those many earlier montages in the film and added more time to the climax. Although not as important, I also wanted more of a fight between Bella and Sirius, and was looking forward to those golden statues coming to life.

The nonreader friends that I saw it with, though, were really impressed with the final confrontation between voldemort and DD. The shards of glass was a nice touch, and I thought they did a good job with the "possession" scene.

I agree on the whole climax thing. I loved the hall of prophecy and I can accept that they couldn't have every room even though that would exclude the spinning wall room. :( But I was quite upset that people didn't get seriously hurt. Call me sadistic but I wanted to see blood all over nevilles face while he's screaming from the cruciatus curse. I wanted hermione unconcious while harry is freaking out taking her pulse. I didn't feel threatened by them like I wanted to (mind you, they were freaky when they crept up on them from all sides). But once the fight started and they were running, they lost their threat. No one got hurt and I was like "These aren't death eaters. These are pansies."

It's a little ironic but the one person who does get hurt in the movie is luna who doesn't get hurt in the book at all.
I loved the addition to sirius's entrance though. That was AWESOME!

I was dissapointed in the veiled room scene but I think DD vs. VD and the possesion scenes were AMAZING!

I thought that the final battles where for the most part pretty good. The special effects of the Order vs the DE although different from in the book was pretty cool. I really loved Sirius's entrance! Even the DA being captured so easily well irritatingly inaccurate I can almost over look it. The thing I found absolutely inexcusable is Harry just handing over the prophecy, there is no way he would have done that!

I thought that the final battles where for the most part pretty good. The special effects of the Order vs the DE although different from in the book was pretty cool. I really loved Sirius's entrance! Even the DA being captured so easily well irritatingly inaccurate I can almost over look it. The thing I found absolutely inexcusable is Harry just handing over the prophecy, there is no way he would have done that!

I respectfully disagree - Harry had dragged his friends along to save Sirius, who wasn't even there at the MoM, and now they were in danger for their lives, which he could at least buy them some time, so they wouldn't die yet. Harry felt responsible for the other five - I think giving over the prophecy was exactly what Harry would do. His friends meant more to him than the prophecy, which he had just heard.

FGM

harry handing in the prophesy....that part i hated...
The thing I found absolutely inexcusable is Harry just handing over the prophecy, there is no way he would have done that!

Here's an excerpt from the book:


'That was just a taster!' said Bellatrix, raising her wand so that Neville's screams stopped and he lay sobbing at her feet. She turned and gazed up at Harry. 'Now, Potter, either give us the prophecy, or watch your little friend die the hard way!'
Harry did not have to think; there was no choice. The prophecy was hot with the heat of his clutching hand as he held it out. Malfoy jumped forwards to take it.

I thought that the final battles where for the most part pretty good. The special effects of the Order vs the DE although different from in the book was pretty cool. I really loved Sirius's entrance! Even the DA being captured so easily well irritatingly inaccurate I can almost over look it. The thing I found absolutely inexcusable is Harry just handing over the prophecy, there is no way he would have done that!

I respectfully disagree - Harry had dragged his friends along to save Sirius, who wasn't even there at the MoM, and now they were in danger for their lives, which he could at least buy them some time, so they wouldn't die yet. Harry felt responsible for the other five - I think giving over the prophecy was exactly what Harry would do. His friends meant more to him than the prophecy, which he had just heard.

FGM

Your right, it is. I forgot that in the movie that he already knew what the prophecy said. I guess what I meant is that I really disliked the way that they did that whole scene. Well except for Sirius punching Malfoy, I love that part.

How does he know what it says before it breaks? I don't remember that.

deansboy, in the movie, it plays for him when he picks it up. Supposedly the others can't hear it, only Harry, but yes he has heard it before it breaks and before he hands it to Lucius.

FGM

Yeah I just caught that but it doesn't help since it's caught up and it's not explained later.

I'm talking about this scene:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B4h9eFFTXq8

When I was watching this for the first time I was immediately struck by a strong similarity to this scene: http://youtube.com/watch?v=En7wBJ-hg9w

Maybe nobody else noticed this but it hit me immediately. It made me wonder if there was a little idea-borrowing on the part of the movie production crew (obviously the movies are made very closely from the books, but the way that scene was presented in the movie was what set up the resemblance in my mind).

Thoughts?

I'm talking about this scene:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B4h9eFFTXq8

When I was watching this for the first time I was immediately struck by a strong similarity to this scene: http://youtube.com/watch?v=En7wBJ-hg9w

Maybe nobody else noticed this but it hit me immediately. It made me wonder if there was a little idea-borrowing on the part of the movie production crew (obviously the movies are made very closely from the books, but the way that scene was presented in the movie was what set up the resemblance in my mind).

Thoughts?

:welcome:

Yeah, I can see your point. I had never seen that particular Star Wars movie, but the scenes are very similar.

Well, GOLDENBERG CHANGED this from the Book:

Hatred rose in Harry such that he had never known before. He flung himself out from behind the fountain and bellowed "Crucio!" Bellatrix screamed. The spell had knocked her off her feet, but she did not writhe or shriek with pain as Neville had -- she was already on her feet again ... "Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy?" she yelled. "You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain -- to enjoy it ..."

Then Voldemort arrives, is ****** with Bella at failing to retreive the prophecy and immediatly starts throwing AK's at Harry, when Dumbledore who has already appeared in the last Chapter, in the Veil Room, comes to Harry's rescue, blocking the AK's with the bewitched Golden Statues and the Duel begins.


So, I guess this is just ANOTHER instance that shows GOLDENBERG's UNORIGINALITY that he has to COPY STAR WARS. :grumble:

Good Catch, btw :tu:

It's another way of trying to make Harry look like the kiss *** hero rather than the scared, albeit determined, kid that he is. He's made to look so clean and in charge in these movies when even he admits that he's winging it a lot of the time going on his guts rather than thinking things out. No shouting at headquarters, which causes the "Dulcet tones" line to make no bloody sense and, most annoyingly, rather than him begging for death when he's being possessed he starts talking trash and forces Voldemort out.

Part of the appeal of Potter is that he's so emotional but it's shown less and less as we go on.

It was an awesome movie. I think we went back to the basics because they were featured more in their robes and uniforms. They also managed to cram alot of the book into the movie.
Professor Umbride *shudder, cringe* She was horrible. Positively disgusting. EXACTLY LIKE I IMAGINED HER!! Congratulations to Imelda Staunton on her amazing performance!
The duel between Albus and Voldemort was spectacular. though slightly copying the previous film where Harry and Voldemort use the same technique. When Harry was possessed it was done amazingly. I felt nervous when watching it.
Congratulations Helena Bonham-Carter! Her imput to Bellatrix's character was spectacular. Especially when she licked the Dark Mark. Purely spontaneous according to what i have read.

I conclude by saying it was the best movie so far and congratulations to all the cast an crew!

They didn't cram a lot they basically sped through it giving hints at best. It all comes back to Yates and his decision to make it the shortest film.

They didn't cram a lot they basically sped through it giving hints at best. It all comes back to Yates and his decision to make it the shortest film.

Exactly, a lot of insignificant things were included for the fans and a lot of important or more interesting things were cut and all of it was rushed because they attempted to make the longest book into the shortest film. :whistle:

Exactly, a lot of insignificant things were included for the fans and a lot of important or more interesting things were cut and all of it was rushed because they attempted to make the longest book into the shortest film. :whistle:

A lot for the fans? Where? What did they give us? Those scenes were not for the fans, they were examples of poor film making. The fifth choice for director comes in and decides that it's perfectly fine to butcher the book. Of course you can't put everything in but the final product was a piece of ****.

Hem, hem. Please keep it polite and respectful in here. This includes real people, may they be actors, directors or bicycle repair men. Thanks.

Hem, hem. Please keep it polite and respectful in here. This includes real people, may they be actors, directors or bicycle repair men. Thanks.

I'm honestly not trying to be petulant but are we not allowed to dislike their work? No one's taken a shot at them personally and we are not honor bond as fans to say only nice things are we?

I can not wait for the sixth movie (Half Blood Prince) !!!!!!!!! I'm so exited for it to come out in theaters!! I'm sure me and my brother will by it its first day out. I still cant wait!!

The Dumbledore vs. Voldemort duel was great! :agree:

BUT

The Order/DA vs. DE'S was NOT :no:

It didn't resemble the Book in the Slighest, I'll elaborate
The Dumbledore/Voldemort duel also "didn't resemble the book in the slightest." A scene, according to you, does not have to resemble the scene in the book to be good, so I see no reason to say the Order/Death Eater battle was bad because it differed from the book.

However, I was disappointed with both battles, simply because I was looking forward to the aspects put in place by the book. Dumbledore and Voldemort's duel would have, to me, been much more intriguing if Dumbledore brought the statues to life than having Voldemort creating millions of shards of glass.

The part about the Dumbledore/Voldemort duel that really aggrieved me, though, was Dumbledore's weakness. The scene showed that Dumbledore could barely keep up with Voldemort's skill - the exact opposite of what was in the book. The chapter titled "The Only One He Ever Feared" would not have worked in the film (it almost looked as if Voldemort was the only one Dumbledore ever feared).

I think the Order/Death Eater fight was decent, considering the little time that was devoted to it. It could have been brilliant if even one more minute was set aside. I understand the trimming of the "D.A.'s" fight because it basically shows Harry, Hermione, Neville, Ron, Ginny, and Luna running away, which would be slightly dull to the audience (though I did miss the Time room and the Brain room).
No one's taken a shot at them personally and we are not honor bond as fans to say only nice things are we?
I have seen a couple of "shots" taken at specific filmmakers. While we are allowed to dislike aspects of the films, we should restrain ourselves from being impolite and using foul language.

The part about the Dumbledore/Voldemort duel that really aggrieved me, though, was Dumbledore's weakness. The scene showed that Dumbledore could barely keep up with Voldemort's skill - the exact opposite of what was in the book. The chapter titled "The Only One He Ever Feared" would not have worked in the film (it almost looked as if Voldemort was the only one Dumbledore ever feared).


They want to push Voldemort as this amazing baddie so they'll make Dumbledore look much weaker than he is and on the flip side give Harry a lot more strength. I'm not sure how far back it is but I mentioned Harry talking trash to him while possessed, in the book he's practically begging for death it's so painful and only his thoughts of Sirius managed to force of Voldemort, yet in the movie he's much more in control. It's all about making Harry look good.


I have seen a couple of "shots" taken at specific filmmakers. While we are allowed to dislike aspects of the films, we should restrain ourselves from being impolite and using foul language.

Personal attacks or dislike for them because of their work because there's a difference. Also foul language, not everything that's censored is one of the traditional "dirty words".