The fate of the pure-blooded families

It just occured to me that two of the confirmed pure-blood surnames have been wiped out in Deathly Hallows and partially because of Voldemort. One is the Gaunts (not totally his fault) and the other is the Noble and Most Ancient House of Black. True, Teddy Lupin was related to the Blacks...but he is only about 1/4 pure-blood. To the hard-core ideologies of these pure-blood families that doesn't count at all. And Malfoy did live and have a son named Scorpius, who we can be fairly certain is a true pure-blood. But still, the Malfoy family is small and could die down more easily with the trend of just one offspring. The Weasleys are blood-traitors, unless perhaps they change that trend. But they can't be pure either. The Princes also seemed to have died out from Snape's mother. The crouch is also extinct, the Lestrange is also extinct. Other families like the Potters are now likely to be labeled blood-traitors. There probably are some other pure-bloods like the Dumbledores. But many on the non absolute proof list are possibly from death eaters claiming to be pure, according to canon.

Does it really matter in the end? Not really...I am not an expert on this harry potter geneology by any means...it is confusing! But I thought to discuss this as it really was important to the series. Anyway I checked for a similar thread and I found one that is similar but not nearly the same. The thread about families staying in the same houses is not the same thing at all here.

This idea is to discuss the future evolution of the inbreeding pure-blooded wizarding race and whether they have a bright future. And also the very question, of do they even deserve to survive? As they do make a lot of trouble and can be used as a political platform on which a Dark Lord can manipulate them with. I guess we''ll know more about this if the Encyclopedia comes out. :drool:

Well, I think there will always be families calling themselves pure-blood. Wether they really are is a different question, but by "losing" parts of the family history, pure-blood status can be achieved easily...

Well, I think there will always be families calling themselves pure-blood. Wether they really are is a different question, but by "losing" parts of the family history, pure-blood status can be achieved easily...

I agree, anyone who is born of a witch and a wizard could technically call oneself a "pure-blood". It would be even more convincing if both of your grandparents were and their parents were magical. There will always be someone who thinks that blood status is important, although I highly doubt that there will be as much support of it, at least until the magical community manages to reestablish some size.

And also the very question, of do they even deserve to survive? As they do make a lot of trouble and can be used as a political platform on which a Dark Lord can manipulate them with.

I do not think there is any reason for them not to survive. They have caused some trouble so far but if others would limit the amount of power they have i think it could be changed. The pure-blood race will eventually die out. all the inbreeding cant be good and some children will eventually marry out of the pure-blood line. True, that people will lie and say they are pure-blood, but eventually the other wizards will know.

I think it all depends on the grandparents. Lily, James, Molly, and Arthur were all magical so Harry and Ginny's children are pureblood. Ernie MacMillian said in Chamber of Secrets "My family is pure-blood nine generations back, witches and wizards every one of them" (not exact quote but I can't get to my books - it's the chapter when Herbology is cancled and Harry listens to the Huffelpuffs in the library).

Of course, if it is just the pure-blood families (where all members of the family have married purebloods for several generations) then I'd say many of them are indeed gone. Just because I haven't gone through the Lexicon in a while here are some families:
Blacks - gone (childless Sirius and Regulas). Dumbledore said so in Half-Blood Prince.
Bones - Susan is still alive. If she has any brothers they will carry on the name through their children. We don't know if the Bones' are pureblood but Edgar, Amelia, and their grandparents were all magical. The Lexicon says Susan is a half-blood in Harry Potter and Me but tht is not canon.
Carrow - Pureblood family but we don't know what happens to them.
Crabbe- almost certainly pureblood and despite of the fact that Vincent Crabble is dead, we really don't know if he had any younger siblings and if he had other relatives in his family that can carry the name as a pure-blood family.
Crouch - gone (Barty Crouch Jr childless. Dumbledore said their line was gone).
Diggory - gone with Cedric but we don't know whether he was pureblood or halfblood.
Dumbledore - Ariana did not have children, as far as we know neither did Albus or Aberforth.
Gaunt - gone, as you said.
Goyle - almost certainly pureblood. Gregory was alive and can carry his family name.
Hagrid - No idea whether Mr Hagrid was pureblood but as nothing has been mentioned of Madame Maxime we can assume this name will die with Rubeus Hagrid.
Lestrange - gone as Bellatrix said in Half-Blood Prince she had no sons but I'm taking that to mean children as I would just hate to think of any child being in her care.
Longbottom - still there. We don't know if he marries or has children. Lets say yes.
Lovegood - still there. Both Luna's parents were magical and as she later marries a great-grandson of Newt Scamander it can be assumed that any children she has will be pureblood. (But I suppose the name will be gone)
Lupin - still there with Teddy, a half-blood
Malfoy - still there with Scorpius. He's is most likely a pureblood as Ron looked at him and said "Granddad Weaslyey would never forgive you if you married a pureblood".
Moody - gone. Alastor had no children or relatives that we know of. If he did they would most likely have been in the order. It seems to be a family type of commitment.
MacMilliansurvives.
Patil - survives. Most likely pureblood.
Peveril - survives through Harry
Potter - still there and now pureblood (I think)
Weasley - still there. Ron's children are halfblood, Bills are confusing (part veela!) and we don't know about the rest of the family.
Definately pure-blood are in red.

I think from now on the wizards will be able to marry much more freely. I think just be coincidence there will be families which will be pure-blood. Maybe there will be new families like the pureblood Creeveys or something. I don't think the pureblood families deserve to be wiped out just because they can be used for politics. Everything changed once Harry and co entered the ministry.

EDIT 2: Crabbe and Goyle taken word for word from cybobbie.

I think there's a strong possibility of an anti-pureblood backlash in the years immediately after the war. Not against the blood-traitors, who were active in supporting Muggles and Muggleborns, but for those families who were fairly neutral as to what was happening to Muggleborns - either out of ambivalence or through self-protection. That often happens after a war: people tend to look for scapegoats.

Not that it matters but the new gen of Potters (James, Al & Lily) are purebloods?

And was Remus a pureblood?


Arghh it makes the mind go boom! Well mine, anyway :lol:

Not that it matters but the new gen of Potters (James, Al & Lily) are purebloods?
According to wikipedia, yes

I've always found it a little confusing as to what is considered to be "Pure-Blood" Harry is a half-blood, and Ginny is a Pure Blood, so shouldn't that make the kids 3/4 blood or something? Ha, I don't know, they wouldn't be 100% "pure" because they have Muggle great-grandparents, right?



Also when it comes to Half-Blood's the definition is not straight forward. People who have 1 muggle parent and 1 wizard parent are considered Half-Blood, but so are children of a pure blood parent and a muggle-born parent. So, both parents magical.

My take on it was whoever does not have "Pure-Blood" line that can be pointed out, is considered Half-Blood, even though they may have more magical family than others. Meaning the Potter kids are probably considered Half-Blood's as well, even though both their parents and grandparents, and 3 out of 4 sets of great-grandparents were magic.



Although, I think it probably is not important to keep the "Pure-Blood" line alive to a majority of the wizard community. As most of the community consider anyone with magical blood to be just as much magical and of worth. Basically, to most, if you have the same abilities you belong in the magical world.

I think there's a strong possibility of an anti-pureblood backlash in the years immediately after the war. Not against the blood-traitors, who were active in supporting Muggles and Muggleborns, but for those families who were fairly neutral as to what was happening to Muggleborns - either out of ambivalence or through self-protection. That often happens after a war: people tend to look for scapegoats.Well of what we saw in the epilogue there didn't seem to be any of that. Of course that was after nineteen years, maybe at first things might have been bad. But I'd say all the pure-blood and half-blood families who went along with the ministry just had to accept what they had done.

Not that it matters but the new gen of Potters (James, Al & Lily) are purebloods?

And was Remus a pureblood?


Arghh it makes the mind go boom! Well mine, anyway :lol:J.k. Rowling said somewhere (I will find a link but it may be the morning when I get back) that one muggle-born grandparent was enough for you to be a half-blood. James, Albus, and Lily had four magical grandparents so they are pureblood. Both Teddy Lupin's parents were magical. We know the two on his mother's side were magical for sure. Both Remus Lupin's parents knew about Hogwarts and his father was able to insult Fenrir Greyback so that makes him either half-blood or (more likely) pureblood.

This idea is to discuss the future evolution of the inbreeding pure-blooded wizarding race and whether they have a bright future. And also the very question, of do they even deserve to survive? As they do make a lot of trouble and can be used as a political platform on which a Dark Lord can manipulate them with. I guess we''ll know more about this if the Encyclopedia comes out. :drool:
Of course they deserve to survive. One can argue that some pure-bloods caused problems when Voldemort was in power. But not all pure bloods rallied to Voldemort's cause. By asking whether or not they deserve to survive reminds me a lot of Voldemort's attitude towards muggle borns.

Also this got me thinking, does a Dark Lord always have to be about pure blood mania? Why couldn't a muggle born who thinks they're special because they don't have magicial parents rise up and try to take control?

Im not ruling out the Gaunts! My thoughts are that LV has a secret love child! :whistle:
I think that as the years go on (hundereds of them :)) that there will be no more pure bloods left. Every generation or so of the purebloods generates a 'Sirius' (for example) who doesnt mind not following his pure blood status, and eventually all will be wiped out.

I think that eventually, purebloods will be wiped out, there are so few of them left that I doubt that the population can ever recover.
I think that the race of wizards would die out if people just kept marrying and producing offspring from the pureblood line so I think it is important that wizards do marry muggles and half-bloods and blood traitors and the like so as to keep the magical world alive. That is after all more important.

And was Remus a pureblood?




According to Jo, Remus was half-blood.

I think people would be scared to say that they're anything less than pure blood even after Voldemort died, purely because Death Eaters are still out there, and they can't stand Muggle borns (Mudbloods).

I think there are less and less pure blood families now, and I think it's quite a good thing, because there would be less discrimination and more peace between the Wizarding world and the Muggle world.

Ok. So Remus is a half-blood (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm). I changed my origional list on the families accordingly. And here (http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=58) is the link promised where J.K. Rowling talks pure-bloods and half-bloods. In that F.A.Q. section there is a question will the Purebloods die out (by intermarriage) now. Her answer is that, even according to their own crazed logic, theose families who call themselves pure are not really pure - they just ignore any family members who don't keep up this image.

As far as pure blood arrogance goes, everything stands or fall by Scorpius.

It seems that the only way the pure bloods would be able to not die out would be by interfamily marriage which would eventually turn just wrong.

It seems that the only way the pure bloods would be able to not die out would be by interfamily marriage which would eventually turn just wrong.
That or someone would be termed pureblood after so many generations of wizards - so Harry may not be a pureblood but his children might be.

Does anyone know if there is a definate number of generations back that you must have wizard ancestry through or does it depend on who is saying?

As to Voldemort killing off so many of the families I think that is very nice irony on jo's part,he wanted to preserve magical blood and he ended up killing quite a few of them.

Pure blood family's will eventually die out, there's nothing anyone can do about that. I think that's good aswell, because there would be less rivalry between pure bloods and half bloods/muggle borns. As soon as we're all equal I think wizards and muggles will be on the way to reconcilliation.

I hope Draco married a half-blood or Muggle born...

Does anyone know if there is a definate number of generations back that you must have wizard ancestry through or does it depend on who is saying?

As to Voldemort killing off so many of the families I think that is very nice irony on jo's part,he wanted to preserve magical blood and he ended up killing quite a few of them.Well I posted a link where J.K. Rowling wrote on her website about how she already had the pureblood, half blood, muggleborn idea in her head and she went to a Holocaust museum in the US. She mentions about how in Nazi Germany, one Jewish grandparent "polluted" the blood. If we take it that the same logic is used for wizards then if you have four wizard grandparents you are a pureblood witch or wizard. Of course to be a pureblood family you probably have to go back generations and generations and being a pureblood family is the bit that matters to those who care. That's how I figure it but maybe others have a different take on it.

I imagine that there will always be a few families that cling to the 'pure-blood only' tradition forever, and they will become extremely inbred and have kids with 11 toes:p.

It's impossible to be completely pure blood, but not all of them were completely evil. I don't mean blood traitors either. There are some that are mean, but they don't play an active role in getting rid of Muggleborns and Muggles, like the Death Eaters did, and they aren't completely bad, not on either side, so most of them would just be let off the hook.

I think it all depends on the grandparents. Lily, James, Molly, and Arthur were all magical so Harry and Ginny's children are pureblood. Ernie MacMillian said in Chamber of Secrets "My family is pure-blood nine generations back, witches and wizards every one of them" (not exact quote but I can't get to my books - it's the chapter when Herbology is cancled and Harry listens to the Huffelpuffs in the library).

Of course, if it is just the pure-blood families (where all members of the family have married purebloods for several generations) then I'd say many of them are indeed gone. Just because I haven't gone through the Lexicon in a while here are some families:
Blacks - gone (childless Sirius and Regulas). Dumbledore said so in Half-Blood Prince.
Bones - Susan is still alive. If she has any brothers they will carry on the name through their children. We don't know if the Bones' are pureblood but Edgar, Amelia, and their grandparents were all magical. The Lexicon says Susan is a half-blood in Harry Potter and Me but tht is not canon.
Carrow - Pureblood family but we don't know what happens to them.
Crouch - gone (Barty Crouch Jr childless. Dumbledore said their line was gone).
Diggory - gone with Cedric but we don't know whether he was pureblood or halfblood.
Dumbledore - Ariana did not have children, as far as we know neither did Albus or Aberforth.
Gaunt - gone, as you said.
Hagrid - No idea whether Mr Hagrid was pureblood but as nothing has been mentioned of Madame Maxime we can assume this name will die with Rubeus Hagrid.
Lestrange - gone as Bellatrix said in Half-Blood Prince she had no sons but I'm taking that to mean children as I would just hate to think of any child being in her care.
Longbottom - still there. We don't know if he marries or has children. Lets say yes.
Lovegood - still there. Both Luna's parents were magical and as she later marries a great-grandson of Newt Scamander it can be assumed that any children she has will be pureblood. (But I suppose the name will be gone)
Lupin - still there with Teddy, a half-blood
Malfoy - still there with Scorpius. He's is most likely a pureblood as Ron looked at him and said "Granddad Weaslyey would never forgive you if you married a pureblood".
Moody - gone. Alastor had no children or relatives that we know of. If he did they would most likely have been in the order. It seems to be a family type of commitment.
MacMilliansurvives.
Patil - survives. Most likely pureblood.
Peveril - survives through Harry
Potter - still there and now pureblood (I think)
Weasley - still there. Ron's children are halfblood, Bills are confusing (part veela!) and we don't know about the rest of the family.
Definately pure-blood are in red.

I think from now on the wizards will be able to marry much more freely. I think just be coincidence there will be families which will be pure-blood. Maybe there will be new families like the pureblood Creeveys or something. I don't think the pureblood families deserve to be wiped out just because they can be used for politics. Everything changed once Harry and co entered the ministry.

Regarding the families above, I just belive that Hagrid can't be count as pure-blood since he is half giant.
There's also the Crabbe family. He is almost certainly pureblood and despite of the fact that Vincent Crabble is dead, we really don't know if he had any younger siblings and if he had other relatives in his family that can carry the name as a pure-blood family.
There's also the Goyle family, also almost certainly pureblood. Gregory was alive and can carry his family name.

I agree that after the death of Voldemort the wizard families that want to will get married more freely, and of course the ones that want to keep the pure-blood will kepp doing the best to keep it that way. Also, since to be a pure-blood, acording to JKR, a wizard needs to have wizard grand-parents, some new pure-blood families will be formed in the future, like Harry's kids. So I belive that the wizard world will always have pure-bloods, half-bloods and muggle-borns.

What a serious oversight on my part. I have edited and accreddited the origional post. I had been going for families we knew were families not just characters (e.g. we don't know about Cedric's parents even though we see them but we know Ernies ancestory without meeting his family). I completely forgot we saw Mr. Crabbe and Mr. Goyle in the graveyard. It is possible they were only half-blood to get into the Death Eaters but I would saw Lucius Malfoy had pretty tough ancestory tests to check up on his child's friends.

About the Hagrid part, I meant the Hagrid family. Rita Skeeter makes a comment in her article along the lines of "Not only is Hagrid not a pureblood wizard as he has always said but he is not even fully human". Rebeus Hagrid's father, it seems, was a pureblood. Hagrid is a half-blood wizard then (he can do magic) and as he doesn't marry the line ends with him. Of course the line could have ended with his father by marrying the giantess as well. hmm.

What a serious oversight on my part. I have edited and accreddited the origional post. I had been going for families we knew were families not just characters (e.g. we don't know about Cedric's parents even though we see them but we know Ernies ancestory without meeting his family). I completely forgot we saw Mr. Crabbe and Mr. Goyle in the graveyard. It is possible they were only half-blood to get into the Death Eaters but I would saw Lucius Malfoy had pretty tough ancestory tests to check up on his child's friends.

You're right to say that we can't be shure about Crabbe and Goyle and about other families (at least until we have more information - maybe in the enciclopedia), but I went to check in Mugglenet enciclopedia and in other sites and all of them states that they are almost certanly pure-bloods, since, just as you said, they were friends of the Malfoy family - the sites also consider their fathers being DE and they being sorted in Slydering, but for me the stronger evidence is Lucius conection.

I doubt as to whether the term 'Blood traitors' is used after the death of Voldemort. I could be wrong, but I believe it was a temporary term used by him to spark a bit of fear into Pure-Bloods helping Half-Bloods and Muggle Borns. Similar to 'Wand Carriers' adopted by Goblins to describe Wizards.

I think that after the death of Voldemort, anyone who has magical powers is a witch/wizard and it is accepted, of course there is differing degrees of acceptance in any community, regarding any issue. Hermione says in DH she is proud of being 'MudBlood' So she is accepting the fact different people have different views, use different words, and think different things. I find it is similar to using words such as Black/White to describe Humans, and 'Half-Cast' for someone of both parentage. (I have no intention to offend anyone!)
It depends whether or not the Wizarding world is politically correct or not. >_<

This isn't entirely canon (Hannah Abbott can't be Muggleborn, for one thing) but the Harry Potter and Me (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/source_hpm.html) TV interview Jo did, both Crabbe and Goyle are listed as pure-bloods.

Pure-bloods will have to inter marry, otherwise they will end up like 'The Gaunts', and they seemed to have reverted back to the Slytherin's. (monkey like)

In the end, they've got to swallow their pride and sleep with some Muggle borns if they want the Wizarding world to survive. They've got no choice, the pure blood race is running out fast...It's either that, or the Wizarding world dies out.

Since Remus is not only a half-blood but also a werewolf, Teddy would not be considered pureblood.

Harry and Ginny's children wouldn't either, since Harry's mother was Muggleborn.

I don't think I've ever seen how many generations your family has to be pureblood after a Muggleborn ancestor in order to "count"; but I think for families to whom this was very important--like the Blacks and the Malfoys--one drop of Muggle blood would disqualify you. In the case of Teddy Lupin and Ginny and Harry's kids, I can't imagine anyone in their families caring about blood status (remember in the epilogue Ron telling his daughter that Ron's father would be upset if she married a pureblood).

However, after a long war in which "the bad guys" were pureblood supremacists, I don't know that whether you're pureblood or not will matter. I imagine there'll be quite a backlash against what the Ministry was doing to Muggleborn magical people in Deathly Hallows.

I think Harry and Ginny's children would be considered as Pure Blood. But, will that be much of an issue anymore now Voldemort's gone? Or will Umbridge still carry on this stupid parade!

Harry and Ginny's kids are not pureblood since Harry had a muggleborn mother. Alot of the pureblood families are extinct now and will probaly continue to die out as they continously run out of cousins to marry.

I doubt as to whether the term 'Blood traitors' is used after the death of Voldemort. I could be wrong, but I believe it was a temporary term used by him to spark a bit of fear into Pure-Bloods helping Half-Bloods and Muggle Borns. Similar to 'Wand Carriers' adopted by Goblins to describe Wizards.

I think Mrs. Black's portrait uses the term. Arthur's family was also removed from the family tree because they were all blood traitors. And Sirius makes it clear that Mr. and Mrs. Black were never Death Eaters.

I think the concept of being a blood traitor is an old one. That a few families nursed and complained about but never did much about. Voldemort made it OK to say such things. Now that he is gone they are back to whispering it in their own homes.


However, after a long war in which "the bad guys" were pureblood supremacists, I don't know that whether you're pureblood or not will matter. I imagine there'll be quite a backlash against what the Ministry was doing to Muggleborn magical people in Deathly Hallows.


I agree but I don't think the concepts will die out. They certainly didn't the last time Voldemort was "destroyed". I think it is like antisemitism in Europe. After the Holocaust it was acknowledged as evil. And no longer ruled as it had before. But it never went away.