Griphook: Character analysis

DeathlyH
August 24th, 2007, 4:29 pm
In this thread, you can discuss Griphook the Goblin.

1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?

sticky
August 24th, 2007, 7:38 pm
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?

I think the character has shown us how goblins and wizards don't trust each other as much as they could. We see this as Griphook doesn't trust Harry and the trio with the sword, that htey won't give it to him which is why he snatches it in the gringotts vault. Alsi we see that Bill doesn't trust him either in Shell cottage. He warns harry about him and retorts to griphook when he is looking at the tiara fleur used for her wedding. I think this shows a mishap of trust....

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

I don't think there was a colse friendly relationship betwwen them. Thye were both, goblin and wizard on the run, hiding. You find people are most likely to stick together and help each other out when on the run from something or in hiding. I think thye were just helping each other, in a situation they were both in.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

I think he could have showed the other goblins the sword, maybe and earned importance back of what he had mamanged to get his hands on. Otherwise i think he could have kept the sword to himself, and escaped another way from the bank.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?

I didn't think Griphook would be important for DH, but i get an impression that i don't like him really. He was more intersted in jewels and treasures rather then the whole voldemort battle. He didn't want anything to do with it, more interested with himself. I didn't really like him, not a huge dislike...just a small one.

jewelledhunter
August 24th, 2007, 9:26 pm
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?

Griphook wasn't a new character and not many new characters could be introduced in the last book that take on a central role. Also, Griphook introduced Harry to Gringotts and as Harry said about Voldemort, a Gringotts key was proof of your status as a wizard. Griphook symbolically helped Harry become an official wizard.

Also, discrimination became a central theme in this book between Muggle-borns being rounded up and Remus' lycantrophy cropping up over and over. Griphook was the archetypal bitter person, hardened by years of discrimination. He doesn't try to mingle with the society and he doesn't try to make it better (Lupin tries to get a job even though the law makes it hard for him). He just works and continues to be bitter.

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

Nothing much, I believe. Just two people chased by society, banding together for protection.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

I think he regained his membership at Gringotts and the sword was kept in a safe place. They weren't going to use it in a rebellion or something! It would have been great to see their reactions when the sword disappears to help Neville.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH? I didn't think he would come back, but it was appropriate. He wasn't a nice character; I shared the same distaste as Harry, Ron, and Hermione had. He seemed to enjoy suffering and was centered more around the jewels taken away from his kindred years ago than the idea that Voldemort would kill hundreds of people, including goblins.

Wright1771
September 14th, 2007, 9:56 am
Goblins were necessary for the banking in the wizarding world, as to 'liking' them.....how could you?
With the sword, and how it returned to Hogwarts...well, if it was Godric's, then it's place was at Hogwarts, and there was nothing the Goblins could do about it!
Goblins and wizards! They will take a while to trust each other but, Grimhook knew how Harry treated the body of Dobby, he could be the turning point!

DeathlyH
September 14th, 2007, 8:22 pm
Goblins were necessary for the banking in the wizarding world, as to 'liking' them.....how could you?
With the sword, and how it returned to Hogwarts...well, if it was Godric's, then it's place was at Hogwarts, and there was nothing the Goblins could do about it!
Goblins and wizards! They will take a while to trust each other but, Grimhook knew how Harry treated the body of Dobby, he could be the turning point!

Yes, but Harry didn't care for all house-elves like Dobby. In fact for a while, he hated Kreacher. So if he had met a friendly goblin, he might have changed his opinion. He just had the misfortune of getting stuck with a rather grim and evil goblin. But Grippy's intentions were always for himself, like Snape.

Chris
November 27th, 2007, 11:24 pm
Rereading DH, Griphook to me seemed at once calculating and reckless. He did seem to be in it for himself, and he had no problems lying to people. I think part of his role was to show us how goblins think - the scenes between Bill and Harry and between Harry and Griphook show this.

Griphook did seem to be full of flaws, but at the same time, he did respect Harry. He probably wouldn't have agreed to robbing the Lestrange vault if he didn't respect Harry.

I do wonder how much of what Griphook agreed to do was in order to be accepted by his fellow goblins. He seemed quite intent on getting the sword back (though I do wonder what the goblins' reaction was when it all of a sudden disappeared when it went to Neville), and he was accepted as a fellow goblin even though he was found within the vault when it was being robbed.

The other aspect I find both intriguing and disturbing is his easy insistance on the use of Unforgivables during the break-in. I guess he's so focused on "getting the job done" that he didn't care about the "how".

DobbysDa
November 28th, 2007, 2:51 am
Griphook: a missed opportunity.

Obviously, the last Wizard/Goblin war was not won quite as decisively as the statue in the Ministry and the Hogwarts curriculum committee would like Wizards to believe: clearly the Goblins still control the money supply ... and when cheated by individual Wizards it appears the MoM doesn't shield the Wizard from reprisals. (ie: Ludo Bagman)

But the interesting thing about Griphook is that he is intensely curious and observant, and to a point -- open minded. Like Hagrid and Dumbledore he seems able to observe and reach conclusions about members of 'other races' without being totally blinded by either his bigotry (like Sirius) or his sentimentality (like Hermione).

In a desperate and fairly uncomfortable situation, rather than brooding on how awful it all is, he notices Harry's treatment of Dobby's body and quickly reaches the correct conclusion that whatever he's believed about 'All Wizards" until that moment may not be 100% applicable to THIS one -- but at the same time, unlike Kreacher doesn't uncritically do a 180 degree turn around.

To do this, he must FIRST understand a dead Elf's body as being something meriting a degree of respect. THEN he must accept the idea that a Wizard could think so too, and behave appropriately by Goblin standards. AND THEN he makes the decision to "trust, but not too far." (Ron is perfectly willing to cheat, Harry is willing to swindle 'a little' and ultimately Hermione's conscience is flexible enough to allow a little swindling, if the Trio will eventually getting around to doing the right thing once the Wizard world has no further need of the Sword.)

Here's where the 'missed opportunity' comes in: There could have been a good faith magical contract of some kind whereby "the Sword Godric Gryffendor took from Ragnuk I must, in the hand of a Wizard strike 3 more blows (cup, tiara, snake) against Voldemort enemy of Wizards and Goblins alike before such and such at time, at which time it must return to the hand of Griphook yadda yadda etc. etc. )

When this actually comes to pass, Griphook is a Big Cheese in the Goblin Gang, and in a position to broker further deals with the MoM -- where Potter will certainly be, if not powerful, than at least influential -- thereby undoing some of the old bad Goblin/Wizard history that generations of Wizards snored their way through at Hogwarts.

martypalin
November 28th, 2007, 12:25 pm
3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

I assume Griphook went back to his ornate cottage and sat down with the sword as this scenario occured as Neville had the sorting hat put on him:

Griphook: "My precioussssssssss"

Sword: "Sorry Gotta Go"


:lol:


Oh and hi everyone signed up yesterday, can't wait to start posting! :cool:

RemusLupinFan
December 1st, 2007, 12:26 am
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?
Probably because we'd already been introduced to his character, even though it was only a brief introduction in book 1. Also I think it was important that he be a goblin who worked at Gringotts so the break-in could be orchestrated properly.

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?
I don't think there was any relationship between them. They were just two people in a similar situation who found it mutually beneficial to team up for a short while.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?
I'm sure he probably locked it in a high-security vault so no-one would try to take it. But he must have gotten a shock when it disappeared when Neville pulled it out of Gryffindor's hat.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?
Though Griphook did betray Harry in the end, he was probably the most open-minded of the goblins, and he did still end up helping Harry. I don't particularly like him as a character - he was too minor to really give much thought to. But I do like the fact that he at least helped Harry a little.

LoonyMagic
January 26th, 2008, 11:46 am
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?

I think they used Griphook because he was a familiar face who had previously seemed like a good, kind Goblin and that now as we went into DH that Harry's perceptions had been wrong.

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

I don't think there was a relationship between them. They needed to stay together to try and escape the Snatchers. Being in a bigger group of people can help to protect you, and it made sense for them all to stick together.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

I'm not sure. I think he tried to hide it, probably in Gringotts, which to him was the safest place. He was probably really confused, surprised and angry, when he found it missing after Nevill pulled it out of the hat. After the war, if he survived, I think he probably continued to work at Gringotts as he had before.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?

I don't like him as a person, but I did find his character interesting. I was glad that Jo included him, as it was a good way to show how other creatures in the wizarding world react to certain situations and how they use others to get what they want. It was interesting to see the relationship between Goblin and wizard and how it worked. I had heard many rumours about Griphook and how he would play an important part but I didn't think so at the time. I'm glad I was proven wrong.

Magi
January 26th, 2008, 12:09 pm
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?

The conflict between Goblins and Wizards demonstrate that not discrimination between magical races are not clear-cut affairs. With Goblins and Wizards, both sides have been arrogant, cruel, and underhand.

It seems that Wizards are arrogant and demeaning toward other magical races. It seems that Goblins do not consider any living creature worthy of dignity and trust, other than themselves.

Griphook did not see Dobby's burial as a show of grace. He saw it as a wizard putting himself down to dispose of an inferior creature's corpse. He did not respect Harry for it, although he recognised Harry's respect for Dobby. Instead, he mocked Harry for stooping to the level of a House Elf.

The book also mentions Griphook's blood-thirstiness and his lack of mercy for other living beings. This is not what I consider to be an attitude befitting a "good" race, and I think in this the Wizards are right not to trust Goblins.

On the other hand, Ron's attitude shows Wizarding arrogance at his height. He had no problems cheating Griphook, stealing others' possessions, or even understanding Goblin character. In this, I think Goblins are right to think of Wizards as arrogant and greedy.

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

Just two persecuted beings banding together for survival. Cresswell probably had better relations with Goblins than most other Wizards, as he was the Head of the Goblin Liaison Office. However, I don't think there was comradeship in the same sense as between humans.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

He was probably lauded as the rescuer of the Sword of Ragnuk the First. However, the Death Eaters might not have been so encouraging of him.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?

No, I did not like his character.

I thought that Goblins might be involved at some point, but not quite in the way it turned out in DH.

PerfectDystopia
January 26th, 2008, 12:51 pm
LOL. We actually have thread for Griphook?

1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?
Because JK Rowling didn't feel like making up another goblin, and instead just used one that was only mentioned for half a chapter 6 books ago? I don't why she used Griphook. Someone was needed to be used to show how discrimination is previlant in the wizadering world, and how most of the time it is double-sided.

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?
Who's Dirk Cresswell? I don't remember who he is.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?
I think he ran to his goblin buddies and was showing off how "he" got the sword of Grffindor. Then when Neville pulled it out of that hat, it dissapered, and he was like, "What the heck?" Maybe he realized the hat-sword-connection and got mad. Or maybe he didn't, and he still wondering where the sword went.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?
Considering how much he screwed Harry over, No, I do not like him.

persian85033
September 23rd, 2008, 3:07 am
Griphook was a goblin, and goblins had been oppressed by wizards, and he became very bitter, I guess. He just stopped caring after a while.

Headless_Nick
September 30th, 2008, 7:57 pm
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?
Personally, I think Griphook was used more as a source of conflict and plot progression and the tension between Goblins and humans was a vehicle for this.

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?
They were both on the run and trying to survive. They were bound by a common enemy/problem and relied on eachother for help and survival.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?
He probably got arrested for helping the trio break into Gringotts. Perhaps the sword's maker was found and it was given back to that goblin. Who knows?

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?
Before reading Deathly Hallows, I never thought he would be an important character outside his brief role in PS/SS. While I don't particularly like or dislike Griphook, I understand where he is coming from.
He might have screwed up Harry's plans and mission by taking away the sword, but you've got to keep in mind his beliefs and also the fact that he had no idea why Harry had the sword or how much Harry needed it. Besides, Harry had promised to give Griphook the sword and Harry would have screwed Griphook over if he had gotten the chance.

FurryDice
March 17th, 2011, 11:56 pm
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?

I think a specific goblin character may have been used to show the differences between wizard traditions and goblin traditions. I think Griphook and the other goblin being on the run was used to show that humans were not the only ones suffering because of the DEs.

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

I don't think there was much of a relationship, apart from both of them being part of the same group of fugitives from the DE government. Although, Dirk Cresswell had worked at the Goblin Liaison Office, so he would have known a bit more about goblins in general than most wizards. He may also have had business dealings with Griphook prior to the takeover of the Ministry.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

He was probably still being hunted, IMO. He had to go on the run in the first place, I don't think Gringotts would have been safe for him with DEs prowling around. As the battle of Hogwarts was only hours after the robbery, I think he hid out until he got word that the DEs had been defeated. Neville's use of the sword showed that Griphook couldn't really keep the sword in his possession -it would present itself to any Gryffindor at the right time.


4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?

I don't particularly like him, I think he took too much delight in other people's problems. I had no idea that he would show up again, never mind that he would play an important role in DH.


1. What did you think of Griphook's betrayal of Harry and Co.? Would you call it betrayal, or do you think he was justified in what he'd done?

I think from Griphook's perspective, it was justified, as goblins had different fundamental beliefs on ownership. However, I can also see why the Trio were angry about it. Griphook probably suspected they were planning to deceive him in relation to the sword.

2. Griphook lied to Bellatrix Lestrange about the Gryffindor Sword, do you think he did that for Harry's sake, or because he wanted to protect a goblin-made object? Do you think he'd have lied, without Harry's request?

I think Griphook recognised that Harry and co. were his best shot at escape, so that may have influenced him when Harry asked him to lie. If Harry had not made that request, I don't know why he would have lied. I don't think he would have seen any opportunity to regain the sword, or get out alive himself, if not for the possible escape plan.

3. Do you think Griphook would've ever tell the truth about helping Humans break into Gringotts?

I doubt it. The other goblins wouldn't take kindly to it, at all. There would probably have been some goblin investigation into how three humans managed to break into a high security vault, though. :hmm: I think if the other Gringotts goblins learnt of it, it wouldn't have been from Griphook.

4. Griphook appeared to admire many traits Harry possessed. Do you think he'd be willing to forgive Harry for breaking his word and attempting to keep the sword? Any future post-war reconcillations?

I don't think there would have been any reconciliations. I think there would have been a frosty relationship if Harry and Griphook encountered each other when Harry went to Gringotts again. I think he would be furious that the sword presented itself to Neville, and he might see it as another instance of wizards deceiving goblins.

OldMotherCrow
March 18th, 2011, 12:49 pm
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?

Goblins and Wizards had different views on ownership, and neither culture wanted to share their craftmanship secrets with the other. I think Griphook was used to put a personal face on the Goblins.

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

Don't know.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

Griphook had run to the group of Goblins after the break-in. I think they would hide and protect him. Griphook had brought with him the Sword of Gryffindor, thus recovering Goblin-made treasure that had been "stolen" by wizards. I think Griphook needed the Sword to protect him from any repercussions from aiding the Trio in the break-in at Gringotts, because I don't think the other Goblins would look too kindly upon that. Since the Sword hadn't been taken from Bellatrix's vault, but instead brought into the bank by the robbers, I think the Goblins would look at it as an impressive recovery on Griphooks part.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?

I like Griphook as a character, even if I don't find him particularly likable. He does give a small insight into the way Goblins think, and I think that helps with understanding the relationship between Goblins and wizards. Even when Harry and Griphook were teamed up together, and both know that Voldemort was the enemy that needed to be defeated, they both seemed to remain suspicious of one another. Griphook keeps his end of the bargain to the letter, but abandons the greater mission to save himself and the Sword (I'm assuming that Griphook, who struck me as fairly intelligent, understood that Harry's mission had something to do with fighting Voldemort, and not base robbery).

FurryDice
March 23rd, 2011, 9:38 pm
Griphook had run to the group of Goblins after the break-in. I think they would hide and protect him. Griphook had brought with him the Sword of Gryffindor, thus recovering Goblin-made treasure that had been "stolen" by wizards. I think Griphook needed the Sword to protect him from any repercussions from aiding the Trio in the break-in at Gringotts, because I don't think the other Goblins would look too kindly upon that. Since the Sword hadn't been taken from Bellatrix's vault, but instead brought into the bank by the robbers, I think the Goblins would look at it as an impressive recovery on Griphooks part.

I had always imagined him disappearing into the crowd in the commotion. I think he started shouting about thieves to give himself a chance to get away. At this point, he was still wanted by DEs, for whatever reason he ran initially, and he couldn't have known that the DE Ministry would fall within hours. He didn't expect to be safely hidden by other goblins, at Gringotts, or elsewhere. If he did, he wouldn't have gone on the run in the first place, IMO.

(I'm assuming that Griphook, who struck me as fairly intelligent, understood that Harry's mission had something to do with fighting Voldemort, and not base robbery).

I think he did understand that it was to do with fighting Voldemort. Griphook says that if he could believe that of any human, it would be of Harry. His offended reaction when Ron tells him he can help himself to any of Bellatrix's treasures, in place of the sword, suggests that he would not have helped if he believed this was just a plain greedy robbery.

horcrux4
March 25th, 2011, 1:21 am
I had always imagined him disappearing into the crowd in the commotion. I think he started shouting about thieves to give himself a chance to get away. At this point, he was still wanted by DEs, for whatever reason he ran initially, and he couldn't have known that the DE Ministry would fall within hours. He didn't expect to be safely hidden by other goblins, at Gringotts, or elsewhere. If he did, he wouldn't have gone on the run in the first place, IMO.

Were we told exactly why Griphook and the other goblin were on the run? Apart from not liking the new regime at Gringotts, but that's no reason to become a wanted person. I think what I'm saying is was he wanted by the DEs? And if so, for what?



I think he did understand that it was to do with fighting Voldemort. Griphook says that if he could believe that of any human, it would be of Harry. His offended reaction when Ron tells him he can help himself to any of Bellatrix's treasures, in place of the sword, suggests that he would not have helped if he believed this was just a plain greedy robbery.

I agree - he wouldn't have gone along with an ordinary robbery, although the lure of Gryffindor's sword could have corroded his principles a bit!

I also wonder whether the fact that the sword left him for Neville made him rethink goblin ownership? The sword obviously considered that it belonged to the wizards - if swords can think.

bellatrix93
March 27th, 2011, 2:11 pm
2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

It was mentioned by Slughorn that Dirk was the head of the Goblin Liaison Office, so it's likely that he had known a lot of Goblins well, not just Griphook. Also he had known about the trick with the Gryffindor sword before Ted or Dean, so it's possible he was in on it. Maybe they first ran into each other after the two Goblins left the bank, and had no relationship prior to that. We can't know for sure, there are many possibilities.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

I think he was back on the run. Gringotts wasn't an appropriate place for him, not when the Goblins there could see that he was a part of a plot to break into the bank. As for the sword, I think he'd have taken in it to a secret place and tried to protect it. I'd like to imagine his suprise when the Sword came out of the Sorting Hat to Neville, :lol:.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?

No, I can't say I like Griphook, he isn't an exactly endearing character. But I don't particularly like the Goblins, in general, so that's probably why I don't like him..
I didn't expect him to show up in DH, either. But then again, there were many suprises in DH character-wise.

Were we told exactly why Griphook and the other goblin were on the run? Apart from not liking the new regime at Gringotts, but that's no reason to become a wanted person. I think what I'm saying is was he wanted by the DEs? And if so, for what?

He left Gringotts because he'd 'recognise no Wizarding master'. It doesn't sound a strong reason for DEs to persue them, unless they had the Goblins under strict law that forced them to work (in a house-elfish way, perhaps..) and that's possibly why Goblins like Griphook couldn't tolerate the new regime and made a run for it. If that was the case, it makes sense that they didn't want to be caught, as the DEs could've made an 'example' of them, for the Goblins who didn't want to work.

eliza101
April 1st, 2011, 3:27 pm
1. What was the main reason Griphook was used to show how strenuous relations are between Goblins and wizards?

I think Griphook was chosen for 2 reasons. The first to provide a link to the first book and the second to have a strong representative of the Goblins. We have a strong representative for most of the other magical races presented throughout the books. Firenze for the centaurs, Dobby for the house elves. Griphook provides another representative who is articulate in describing his culture

2. What was the relationship between Dirk Cresswell and Griphook?

Impossible to say.

3. What do you think happened to Griphook after the Gringotts break-in? What did he do with Gryffindor's sword?

I think he scampered out of Gringotts as fast as he could. I rather doubt he sought shelter there. I don't know what the reaction of the other Goblins would be to the fact that he helped a Wizard break into one of their secure vaults.

4. Did you like the character of Griphook? Did you think he would be important before you read DH?

Griphook is not very likeable IMO, but he sure is interesting. He provides a very interesting insight into the Goblin culture and the resentments toward Wizard/Withches that exist in it.

FurryDice
April 1st, 2011, 6:27 pm
I also wonder whether the fact that the sword left him for Neville made him rethink goblin ownership? The sword obviously considered that it belonged to the wizards - if swords can think.

I doubt it. I think he would have considered that a result of wizarding enchantments on the sword, and a way to keep it from goblins.

He left Gringotts because he'd 'recognise no Wizarding master'. It doesn't sound a strong reason for DEs to persue them, unless they had the Goblins under strict law that forced them to work (in a house-elfish way, perhaps..) and that's possibly why Goblins like Griphook couldn't tolerate the new regime and made a run for it. If that was the case, it makes sense that they didn't want to be caught, as the DEs could've made an 'example' of them, for the Goblins who didn't want to work.

Yeah, I think the DEs wouldn't have taken well to anyone who dared to oppose them or think for themselves. Griphook recognising no wizarding master comes in there. It seems likely that the Voldemort Ministry was far more interfering and controlling at Gringotts than the proper Ministry. Griphook and his goblin companion may well have taken offence at this.

eliza101
April 2nd, 2011, 11:10 am
[QUOTE=FurryDice;5718389]I doubt it. I think he would have considered that a result of wizarding enchantments on the sword, and a way to keep it from goblins.QUOTE]

Yes, I can just hear him screaming about 'Dirty, corrupt wizards who don't keep their word.'

bellatrix93
April 2nd, 2011, 6:38 pm
1. What did you think of Griphook's betrayal of Harry and Co.? Would you call it betrayal, or do you think he was justified in what he'd done?

I thought it was a very bad move on his part. I know Harry and the others broke their word first, but still Griphook didn't have to turn completely against them and help the other Goblins capture them. He knew they weren't breaking into the vault for personal gain, and he possibly knew that the stolen object was related to bringing down Voldemort. He also knew just as well, that they had enough obstacles ahead of them, without him calling to the other Goblins.

Now that I think of it, I find it possible that he planned to betray them from the beginning (that makes both sides, :rolleyes:). He knew it was almost impossible to get out of Gringotts if one managed to get in, in the first place. Yet he agreed to it. So I think he might've decided that by pretending to help them out, he'd secure the 'stolen' sword and catch someone who thought stealing from Gringotts' oldest vaults was okay.

2. Griphook lied to Bellatrix Lestrange about the Gryffindor Sword, do you think he did that for Harry's sake, or because he wanted to protect a goblin-made object? Do you think he'd have lied, without Harry's request?

The way Griphook speaks of the sword (from his interaction with Ted and Dirk), it seemed to me like an extremely valuable object to the Goblins. Harry or no, I find it quite difficult to imagine that Griphook would've simply told Bellatrix that the sword was real, at least not without some 'tasters' of hers.

3. Do you think Griphook would've ever tell the truth about helping Humans break into Gringotts?

I think breaking into Gringotts and getting out of it alive, was a first. And it's very possible that the Goblins would seek to fortify the security of the bank after that incident. To them, it must've been a disaster. I don't see Griphook boasting of playing a role in bringing it around.

4. Griphook appeared to admire many traits Harry possessed. Do you think he'd be willing to forgive Harry for breaking his word and attempting to keep the sword? Any future post-war reconcillations?

If Voldemort's horcruxes ever became common knowledge, I don't see why Griphook (like any human or magical being) wouldn't be grateful for Harry fo doing all in his power to bring down Voldemort. He might even gain some more respect for Harry, because while Harry knew they might never get out of Gringotts alive, they still tried to do it anyways, because it would've saved many many lives, Goblin, human and all.

arithmancer
April 20th, 2011, 4:17 am
1. What did you think of Griphook's betrayal of Harry and Co.? Would you call it betrayal, or do you think he was justified in what he'd done?

I would certainly not call it a betrayal, Griphook did not owe them loyalty. My view of the matter is that Griphook believes that the Sword of Gryffindor is properly the property of Goblins, and he is acting in accordance with this belief, and therefore, acting out of loyalty to his group, and not as a traitor at all.

2. Griphook lied to Bellatrix Lestrange about the Gryffindor Sword, do you think he did that for Harry's sake, or because he wanted to protect a goblin-made object? Do you think he'd have lied, without Harry's request?

I am not sure if he would have lied without Harry's request; I think that request clarified for him that he would be harming Bella in some way by lying to her about this.

4. Griphook appeared to admire many traits Harry possessed. Do you think he'd be willing to forgive Harry for breaking his word and attempting to keep the sword? Any future post-war reconcillations?

Yes, I think Griphook would understand and respect Harry's reasons, if he were to come to know them.

TheScribbler
July 26th, 2011, 6:44 pm
1. What did you think of Griphook's betrayal of Harry and Co.? Would you call it betrayal, or do you think he was justified in what he'd done?

I would certainly not call it a betrayal, Griphook did not owe them loyalty. My view of the matter is that Griphook believes that the Sword of Gryffindor is properly the property of Goblins, and he is acting in accordance with this belief, and therefore, acting out of loyalty to his group, and not as a traitor at all.

Agreed. Though the movie portrays Harry as a victim of Griphook's sneaky ways, in the book it was really Harry who deceived him. It was all very clear to Griphook that the sword belongs to the goblins, and that Harry had no right to keep it. He might not have been the most gracious about taking the sword, but I don't think he 'betrayed' them.