Everyone's Patronuses

According to JKR, the DEs could not produce a Patronus (besides Snape), so I would assume LV couldn't either.

Samantha: Was Snape the only Death Eater who could produce a full Patronus?

J.K. Rowling: Yes, because a Patronus is used against things that the Death Eaters generally generate, or fight alongside. They would not need Patronuses.

http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1156

I'm not sure about whether or not Voldemort could produce a Patronus either. But if I recall correctly, Harry at one point uses finding out he was a wizard as a happy memory, and Voldemort may have felt similar happiness when he found out he was a wizard. Not sure though, just a thought.

Yes, I just looked it up in PoA when Harry takes the Anti-Dementor lesosns from Lupin, and Harry did use that memory. It didn't produce a perfect Patronus, but it was very good for his first time. :) So you're right, maybe LV could use that as his happy memory.

I don't think he'd want to produce a patronus either. They represent happiness and goodness, which is of course the very opposite of himself. Aso, I think that he'd find using a patronus beneath him. He would much rather use some kind of dark magic. Not that Voldy would need a patronus. He doesn't want to repel Dementors and he can communicate and summmon the Death Eaters through the Dark Mark. :)

I don't think he'd want to produce a patronus either. They represent happiness and goodness, which is of course the very opposite of himself. Aso, I think that he'd find using a patronus beneath him. He would much rather use some kind of dark magic. Not that Voldy would need a patronus. He doesn't want to repel Dementors and he can communicate and summmon the Death Eaters through the Dark Mark. :)
Good point! :tu:

I agree, LV would probably prefer to use a different form of magic than a Patronus because it, like you said, represents happiness, friendship, and love, which he doesn't undestand and doesn't care about. I'm sure he could find a different way to repel or escape from a Dementor. :)

And you're right, he doesn't need a Patronus anyway. I found this quote:
Samantha: Was snape the only death eater who could produce a full patronus

J.K. Rowling: Yes, because a Patronus is used against things that the Death Eaters generally generate, or fight alongside. They would not need Patronuses.
So apparently none of the DEs had Patronuses except Snape, so I think LV didn't have one either. They wouldn't need them. :)

According to JKR, the DEs could not produce a Patronus (besides Snape), so I would assume LV couldn't either.



http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1156

Ooh, I had forgotten about that!! So it backs up what I'm saying: all the DEs certainly had the magical ability to do it, but they were generally negative people and the types of happy memories they had were not the type used to make a Patronus. I assume Snape's memory was one of Lily in their childhood. :)

okay so i understand that the source of hapiness does count toward the productionof one...i has to be ethically goo what brings you the hapiness to produce one...okay...

I wouldn't say it has to be ethical goo which produces a Patronus. Umbridge produces a patronus while tormenting muggleborns in Deathly Hallows. (It looks like a cat and patrols between her and Yaxley and the Dementors. The Muggleborns are wandless and surrounded by Dementors. These people are drained of their happiness while Umbridge is filled with malicious satisfaction.)

The magic that Death Eaters use draws on different powers. They don't think they need Patronuses. Remember Harry and Snape argue in Half Blood Prince about the best way to fight Dementors. Snape was teaching an alternative protection than Patronuses. This might be the method that the Death Eaters use.

Hey fair point anonymous..umbridge was anything but ethically good...so the death eaters wouldnt use one cause they thought they woulnt need one,yet would have been capable of producing one...is that what you are saying?

death eaters have happy memories of torture, murder, and extortion...such happy days they were...*sniff*.

voldy's is a snake. do we even need to dispute this? :lol:

According to JKR, the DEs could not produce a Patronus (besides Snape), so I would assume LV couldn't either.


Quote:
Samantha: Was Snape the only Death Eater who could produce a full Patronus?

J.K. Rowling: Yes, because a Patronus is used against things that the Death Eaters generally generate, or fight alongside. They would not need Patronuses.

http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1156

this is why ...we assume not

i know, but if he did, it would probably be a snake. i think i've read that one...

yes i do agree it would be a snake...but apparently he wouldnt even consider the thought of one...

Why not a basilisk - even more intimidating than a mere snake and we know how much Voldemort (and his followers) loved to intimidate. However they wouldn't need patronuses would they? They didn't need to use them against Dementors and they communicated via their dark marks and I can't imagine them producing them just for fun to amuse themselves as Umbridge seems to have done.

Now that you point it out i had liked your idea of it being a basilisk...its the king of serpents according to the book..butthen as you do point out inkling JK has in fact said they ,refering to death Eaters would not use them...

Has anyone wondered about Bill´s patronus...did it become a wolf...

Now THAT'S a good question. Do you know what it was before he had that run in with Fenrir? Can you remind me what Fleur's was too while your about it as I've forgotten. Now I'll have to go back and re-read ALL the books again.

That is a good question, Montse. :tu:

For Fleur I think a swan would match her. Beautiful, graceful, admired by many, but may be prideful at times. For Bill, I imagine something strong and sleek, like a jaguire, maybe. I'm not sure why...it just seems to fit him. :)

I think that Cho had a swan, not that two people can't have the same patronus of course but Cho and Fleur strike me as very different people.

Fleur's patronus would have to be a very beautiful and proud animal IMO.

I'm not sure why, but I see Bill and Fleur having matching cheetahs or something similar.

I think that Cho had a swan, not that two people can't have the same patronus of course but Cho and Fleur strike me as very different people.
Yes, I do think Cho's patronus was a swan...and I agree that they are different people. Cho is a lot more shy than Fleur; perhaps swans are shy and not prideful and a swan wouldn't match Fleur after all.

Fleur's patronus would have to be a very beautiful and proud animal IMO.
How about a peacock? Peacocks have always been a symbol of pride, hence the phrase "Proud as a peacock." They are also known to be very beautiful birds as well. :)

I'm not sure why, but I see Bill and Fleur having matching cheetahs or something similar.
Yes, there are a lot of couples that have matching patronuses becuase of their reciprocal love, but I don't think they the same. For example, James and Lily's patronuses were a stag and a doe, which match, but aren't the same. Did you mean a female cheetah and a male cheetah? Though I'm not sure if you can easily tell the difference as with a stag and a doe.

Male and female Cheetahs are precisely the same, no difference in appearance. I like that for Bill and Fleur though.

I think that in a way doves could suit them too, which are very loyal animals.

Whatever Bill and Fleur have for patronuses they should have animals that are loyal to each other no matter what happens even until death. Swans are like that, doves too. They stay with one partner and pine if he/she dies.

Now THAT'S a good question. Do you know what it was before he had that run in with Fenrir? Can you remind me what Fleur's was too while your about it as I've forgotten. Now I'll have to go back and re-read ALL the books again.

me blushes...thanks inlking and granger Hermione!!!!

i am sorry inlking but usually you guys shed some light on me ...I am clueless here...i dont believe we were ever told about fleur´s patronus...or bill´s

Its never bad to have an excuse to read the books again...probably will...if i come across the answer i will definetly post it...

What i believe they could be...

Fleur...a unicorn?
Bill: a bull?

i was wondering about molly wealey too...i dont picture hers as a weasel too...i picture hers as a lioness...

your thoughts?

i was wondering about molly wealey too...i dont picture hers as a weasel too...i picture hers as a lioness...

your thoughts?
A lioness seems to fit Mrs. Weasley perfectly, as we saw in DH when Molly killed Bellatrix. She is very usually very gentle and caring, as a lioness is with her cubs. But she is also very protective of her children and loved ones, and so if someone tries to hurt them, she immediately gets aggresive and fights back, also like a lioness.

Great idea, Montse! :tu:

Yes Molly is like a mother cat washing her kittens etc - or like a mother hen clucking over her chicks. God I hope her patronus isn't a chook!

Yes a Unicorn suits Fleur but I'm still up in the air about Bill. Not quite a bullish person IMO I think a Stallion. Now we know Ginny's is a horse and the books indicate she and Bill were close - she idolised him so I wonder if like Harry (with his father)she made her patronus the same as something from the person she really loved and idolised? Any thoughts - anyone?

A lioness seems to fit Mrs. Weasley perfectly, as we saw in DH when Molly killed Bellatrix. She is very usually very gentle and caring, as a lioness is with her cubs. But she is also very protective of her children and loved ones, and so if someone tries to hurt them, she immediately gets aggresive and fights back, also like a lioness.

Great idea, Montse!
me blushes again...you totally seem to get why I can see Molly being like a lioness... A loving mother...yet a great fighter...
still wonders...why is Arthur like a weasel...cause he sneaks muggle suff right under Molly´s nose?:hmm:
Yes a Unicorn suits Fleur but I'm still up in the air about Bill. Not quite a bullish person IMO I think a Stallion. Now we know Ginny's is a horse and the books indicate she and Bill were close - she idolised him so I wonder if like Harry (with his father)she made her patronus the same as something from the person she really loved and idolised? Any thoughts - anyone?

oh..I do so like the idea of a stallion loads better....so nice and strong at the same time...it would fit Fleur´s unicorn more and I like the parallelism you pointed out with Ginny...
great thinking
so there i agree with your stallion...:tu::tu:

do we happen to know Percy´s...?

me blushes again...you totally seem to get why I can see Molly being like a lioness... A loving mother...yet a great fighter...
still wonders...why is Arthur like a weasel...cause he sneaks muggle suff right under Molly´s nose?:hmm:
:lol: Perhaps.


oh..I do so like the idea of a stallion loads better....so nice and strong at the same time...it would fit Fleur´s unicorn more and I like the parallelism you pointed out with Ginny...
great thinking
so there i agree with your stallion...:tu::tu:
I like the idea of Fleur and Bill having a unicorn and a stallion. I think a unicorn suits Fleur. :tu: It is very beautiful, graceful, but also a little prideful. And I also like the idea of Bill having a stallion. It's powerful and sleek, which is what kind of animal I would imgine for him.

Another thing that is good about them having those Patronuses is that they match. A lot of couples' patronuses match because they love each other. Like Lily and James' stag and doe. And if Fleur had a unicorn and Bill had a stallion, they also match somewhat. :tu:

Great ideas, Inkling7 and Montse! :)


do we happen to know Percy´s...?
Hmm...good question. I don't think we know Percy's. But if I had to choose one for him it would be something that is very arrogant and pompous. Like a peacock maybe...? They are a symbol of pride and they strut around as if they think they are better than everyone else. :D

Another thing that is good about them having those Patronuses is that they match. A lot of couples' patronuses match because they love each other. Like Lily and James' stag and doe. And if Fleur had a unicorn and Bill had a stallion, they also match somewhat.
Thats why i like it too...they sort of match...

now percy...I don't think we know Percy's. But if I had to choose one for him it would be something that is very arrogant and pompous. Like a peacock maybe...? They are a symbol of pride and they strut around as if they think they are better than everyone else.

I do agree,I do think this would fit him nicely.,he does walk around thinking alot of himself.....Still due to having seen peakoks at Malfoy Mannor I do relate them to one of the Malfoy´s but then they were DE so they wouldnt produce one...so then I would have to say...it fits Percy Pretty well...

i had previously thought of an owl for him...this is why..

Owls are often attacked or harassed by groups of smaller birds(Fred and George) :lol:. Once the attack begins, many different birds will join in.(Ron...Ginny)
Interestingly, the Owl rarely responds to the harassment,(Percy at times ignored the twins) and it is just as rare for the Owl to be injured in any way! The mobbing may succeed in forcing the Owl to move on to a different area.

But I do agree a peacok would fit better...:tu:

Being a bossy boots I imagine Percy a bit like a rooster bossing the hens about in the chookyard - Or is it Leghorn Foghorn? Anyway something like that.....

Yep a unicorn would suit Fleur perfectly i think. :)

Being a bossy boots I imagine Percy a bit like a rooster bossing the hens about in the chookyard - Or is it Leghorn Foghorn? Anyway something like that.....

:lol::lol::lol:

a rooster...its bossy...but is it arrogant...?

Yep a unicorn would suit Fleur perfectly i think.
we thinkso too...grangerhermione,inkling and me...

Yeah most roosters tend to strut around as if they own the world. Yeah they're arrogant as well as bossy.

Yeah most roosters tend to strut around as if they own the world. Yeah they're arrogant as well as bossy.
And percy is not pretty so lets make him a rooster....:lol:

havent quite forgiven him for his behaviour:whistle:

OK now whose patronus haven't we decided on yet. I think we're all pretty clever at this don't you?

What about Narcissa's? Someone suggested a peacock for Lucius but then since JK said DE's don't have/need them and Narcissa wasn't a DE we could make her's a peacock.

Now Andromeda? Hmmmm... I'll have to think a bit more on that one.

Can anybody remember what Lee Jordan's was?

OK now whose patronus haven't we decided on yet. I think we're all pretty clever at this don't you?

What about Narcissa's? Someone suggested a peacock for Lucius but then since JK said DE's don't have/need them and Narcissa wasn't a DE we could make her's a peacock.

Now Andromeda? Hmmmm... I'll have to think a bit more on that one.

Can anybody remember what Lee Jordan's was?

nope ...another one to add to my list...to find out if they were mentioned...you know whose i was wondering about...Fudge ...he gives me the impression of an ostrich....

Yup Fudge definitely an ostrich burying his head in the sand and only seeing what he wants to see.

Gee we are good at this aren't we.....

Yup Fudge definitely an ostrich burying his head in the sand and only seeing what he wants to see.

Gee we are good at this aren't we.....
well ...only us in here and we like our ideas...does that makes us good?grangerHermione liked our ideas ....
ok...we are good in this....:lol::lol:

now Lee Jordan has me wondering....a chipmunk? a monkey? it has to be yet another mischievous creature....

I agree but i can easily see Fleur's as a unicorn and Bill's as some kind of stallion or wild horse. I agree about Mrs. Weasley's too.

me blushes...thanks inlking and granger Hermione!!!!

i am sorry inlking but usually you guys shed some light on me ...I am clueless here...i dont believe we were ever told about fleur´s patronus...or bill´s

Its never bad to have an excuse to read the books again...probably will...if i come across the answer i will definetly post it...

What i believe they could be...

Fleur...a unicorn?
Bill: a bull?

i was wondering about molly wealey too...i dont picture hers as a weasel too...i picture hers as a lioness...

your thoughts?

this is what i was relating to up there ^

Yeah monkey sounds good to me. Aren't chipmunks tiny things? Not sure - are they a bit like tiny squirrels?

Lee is bit like a cheeky chimpanzee though. What did Fred and George have?

Wow I've just gone into fourth year at Hogwarts.....

I agree but i can easily see Fleur's as a unicorn and Bill's as some kind of stallion or wild horse. I agree about Mrs. Weasley's too.
yes ,we have agreed it works out better that way...glad you agree too...:tu:

monkey sounds good to me. Aren't chipmunks tiny things? Not sure - are they a bit like tiny squirrels?

Lee is bit like a cheeky chimpanzee though. What did Fred and George have?
someone in this thread sugested the chimpanzee for Fred or Geroge and a racoon for the other one...so its taken...but now thinkin gof Lee JOrdan i would say .give an orangutan to the weasleys...which are just as mischievous as a chimp,and give Jordan the chimp...that way the orangutan would match in hair color...not that a patronus has color ...but ...well you know...

Yes, you guys are good at this. :D And congrats at becoming a fourth year, inkling. :)

Yeah, for Lee's I would imagine somthing similar to Fred or George's. I imagine chimpanzees for them...so maybe Lee's could be a monkey or something. Playful, mischievious, trouble-making...

Yes George being the orangutan would work for me as they aren't quite as forward as chimps and we know Fred was the leader of the two in a way (probably was the older twin so he could have a chimpanzee) and orangutan's have reddish colored fur like the Weasley's so George could have that. Perhaps Lee Jordan could be gorilla as they are dark/black and he had black dreadlocks. All the great apes are a bit mischievous like some children are so those three could cover them all.

BTW thanks for the congrats GraingerHermione.

i was wondering about molly wealey too...i dont picture hers as a weasel too...i picture hers as a lioness...

your thoughts?

I definitely see Molly as a lioness. Willing to defend her cubs to the end.

Well she wasn't called Mollycoddles for nothing..... and lionesses certainly do that when their cubs are very young.

definitely see Molly as a lioness. Willing to defend her cubs to the end.

Of all the ones we have discussed this one is the one i like the best...now Lee Jordan i am still uncertain....

For Lee Jordan I keep seeing a Tarantula, but it's only because thats what his dreadlocks remind me of :lol: I think that he had a pet tarantula too.

Maybe a Parrot or something, because he likes talking and doing commentaries.

And percy is not pretty so lets make him a rooster....:lol:

havent quite forgiven him for his behaviour:whistle:

Roosters also have another name: four letters starting with "c". :p It describes him well when he was acting like one!

OK, OK, don't ban me please, I'm sure the kids here can handle it. :D

I definitely see Molly as a lioness. Willing to defend her cubs to the end.I thought more like a bear, rather than a lioness.

Well she wasn't called Mollycoddles for nothing..... and lionesses certainly do that when their cubs are very young.She was actually called Mollywobbles! :)


Maybe a Parrot or something, because he likes talking and doing commentaries.Chimpanzee? Talkative, loyal to friends, and witty. I've imagine he looks like one too. :p


Fred and George makes me think of Chip and Dale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsqJixybJCw), for those old enough to remember it. Therefore, chipmunks!

Oh yes mea culpa - it was mollywobbles - see it rhymes...

However I think the Weasley twins and Lee Jordan could each represent a different species of the Great Apes.

When you think about it Fred and George were individuals - Fred more outspoken and a bit less sensitive about others feelings and George a little bit quieter and SLIGHTLY more sensitive about others feelings. Maybe Fred the Gorilla more dominant and outgoing - but still a naughty boy, George - a LITTLE more reserved but still mischievous and RED haired like an Orangutan - then Lee Jordan - a chattering misschievous chimpanzee - all perfect foils for each other.

Now as to chipmunks - especially Chip n Dale (Chippendale - famous English designer of wood furniture - a play on his name perhaps) I suppose that's a possibility but most twins I know prefer to be regarded as individuals so I think Gred and Forge would like to have different patronuses. So I could be wrong about the great ape stuff.

Can you have a patronus that isn't an animal?????

When you think about it Fred and George were individuals - Fred more outspoken and a bit less sensitive about others feelings and George a little bit quieter and SLIGHTLY more sensitive about others feelings. Maybe Fred the Gorilla more dominant and outgoing - but still a naughty boy, George - a LITTLE more reserved but still mischievous and RED haired like an Orangutan - then Lee Jordan - a chattering misschievous chimpanzee - all perfect foils for each other.
You know, I couldn't see any way they were different. :lol: They always seemed exactly the same to me. I swear, JKR alternates them for funny lines. :lol: You must have a gift to tell them apart. :D But I like the Orangutan idea. :)

Now as to chipmunks - especially Chip n Dale (Chippendale - famous English designer of wood furniture - a play on his name perhaps) I suppose that's a possibility but most twins I know prefer to be regarded as individuals so I think Gred and Forge would like to have different patronuses. So I could be wrong about the great ape stuff.
Chip n Dale, I'd never thought about that. Two mischievious little chimunks. Sounds like them to me. :D But you're right, it's quite possible for them to have different patronuses. They may very well have different personalities. But as I can't tell them apart, I can't stick different patronuses on them. :p

Can you have a patronus that isn't an animal?????
I have been wondering about that as well. :shrug: I just looked it up on Wikipedia and it says that a patronus is "an insubstantial animal form." So I'm assuming that it has to be an animal...

Oh well there goes my grandson having Thomas the tank Engine as a patronus......

Well I think Fred and George must have sometimes wanted to be seen as individuals and having different patronuses would have been one way of distinguishing them. A question here though - if the order communicated via their patronuses then wouldn't they all have to be different so they could easily be identified by other order members in case of deception? Wouldn't this mean that even Fred and George would need different patronuses (let alone even want them)?

Oh well there goes my grandson having Thomas the tank Engine as a patronus......
:lol: :lol:

Well I think Fred and George must have sometimes wanted to be seen as individuals and having different patronuses would have been one way of distinguishing them. A question here though - if the order communicated via their patronuses then wouldn't they all have to be different so they could easily be identified by other order members in case of deception? Wouldn't this mean that even Fred and George would need different patronuses (let alone even want them)?
Ah, good point. :tu: I guess so. And you're right; even though Fred and George are twins, twins still have differing personalities. Maybe it's just me that can't tell them apart. :whistle: But there are only so many animals in the world, and IMO some people are bound to share the same patronus. Like Harry; he had James' stag. If James had lived, they would have both had the same patronus. I suppose that when you send patronuses, you can recognize whose patronus it is by their voice as well. That would help if people shared a patronus.

When you think about it Fred and George were individuals - Fred more outspoken and a bit less sensitive about others feelings and George a little bit quieter and SLIGHTLY more sensitive about others feelings.


You know, I couldn't see any way they were different. :lol: They always seemed exactly the same to me. I swear, JKR alternates them for funny lines. :lol: You must have a gift to tell them apart. :D


I know how you feel, GrangerHermione. Through the whole series, I just thought they were interchangeable, finishing each other's sentences, etc... But - inking7 has it right. Someone pointed it out to me in a discussion thread right after the Deathly Hallows release and a JKR interview - Fred is a little more overtly impish than George, and George is a little more openly sensitive and thoughtful than Fred. I went back through the series after that discussion to look up Fred & George scenes. Those characterizations were fairly consistent throughout the series.

Well I think Fred and George must have sometimes wanted to be seen as individuals and having different patronuses would have been one way of distinguishing them. A question here though - if the order communicated via their patronuses then wouldn't they all have to be different so they could easily be identified by other order members in case of deception? Wouldn't this mean that even Fred and George would need different patronuses (let alone even want them)?

I think Fred & George would have insisted (as a matter of mischief-making principle) on each having a patronus that was unique but almost indistinguishable from the other. Honestly, woman! You call yourself our mother? I'm Fred! My patronus is an ursus arctos horribilis (Grizzly Bear). George's patronus is an ursus arctos middendorffi (Kodiak Bear)! :lol::lol:

For Lee Jordan I keep seeing a Tarantula, but it's only because thats what his dreadlocks remind me of I think that he had a pet tarantula too.
Funny iwas thinking along the same lines..but then i thought..tarantulas are far from funny and mischievous so i gave up the thought...

about Fred and George having chipmunks ...i had considered chipmunks for a while...but thinking along the line of Alvin and the chipmunk who were always getting into trouble and being shouted at...from Dave´s part...i can so see arthur and Molly shouting their names when they were kids...and still later when we read the story...But i do like the idea of people having a hard time identifyng whose patronus if is...that would fir their character a bunch...I have been wondering about that as well. I just looked it up on Wikipedia and it says that a patronus is "an insubstantial animal form." So I'm assuming that it has to be an animal...

does it have to bea a normal animal...could it be a creature from magical beasts ...Dumbledore´s i assume was a phoenix...so i suppose this is plausible...

OK who had a hippogriff patronus? And who would have a cockroach? Well we know who SHOULD - Draco - since he was such a foul loathsome one.

PERHAPS Fred and George had Cornish Pixies seeing they are so mischievous...

OK who had a hippogriff patronus? And who would have a cockroach? Well we know who SHOULD - Draco - since he was such a foul loathsome one.

PERHAPS Fred and George had Cornish Pixies seeing they are so mischievous...hehe ...that would suit them too...

hagrid could have a hipogriff dont you think?
and a coakaroach? I agree Malfoy....heh heh...but he is a death eater woulndt use one would he?

OK who had a hippogriff patronus? And who would have a cockroach? Well we know who SHOULD - Draco - since he was such a foul loathsome one.
Did Hagrid have a patronus? Maybe his was a hippogriff. And I think a ferret would be better for Malfoy. :evil: :p

PERHAPS Fred and George had Cornish Pixies seeing they are so mischievous...
That's a good idea. :tu: Cornish Pixies are mischievious and trouble-making like Fred and George. But I also think Fred and George are very friendly, outgoing, and cheerful, unlike the Pixies. So I think I like the idea of chimps or orangutans better. :)

Hagrid is a difficult one. My first thought was for a fierce creature, but Hagrid is actually very sensitive and caring.

Did Hagrid have a patronus? Maybe his was a hippogriff. And I think a ferret would be better for Malfoy.
heheh ahhh the ferret...closes eyes to see that scene in her mind again...savours the moment...yes it would be better...Can we still call him a coakaroach if we need to?Cornish Pixies are mischievious and trouble-making like Fred and George. But I also think Fred and George are very friendly, outgoing, and cheerful, unlike the Pixies. So I think I like the idea of chimps or orangutans better.

Good point cornish pixies were mean,so unlike Fred and George...so chipmunks or apes?

Hagrid is a difficult one. My first thought was for a fierce creature, but Hagrid is actually very sensitive and caring.
good point ...what do you suggest?

For Molly: I think tigress is also very protective of her little ones. But Mrs. Weasley is so plump and motherlike. Yes she fight like lioness or tigress, but most of the time she is more like mother hen, no?

For me her patronus is Mother Hen, maybe turn like fighting rooster when protecting the littles?

For me her patronus is Mother Hen, maybe turn like fighting rooster when protecting the littles?
you know hens can turn agressive if you are messing with their chicks...and they do cluck a lot .like Mrs Weasley does when the kids misbehave....mmmm now i am uncertain which idea i like best...

Oh poor Molly - likened to a chook who aren't very bright creatures when she is - she must be to have home schooled her children before they went to Hogwarts.

She sometimes reminds me of a mother possum carrying all her young ones around on her back while scurrying around doing domestic duties etc.

Knowing Hagrid he could even have a Blast-ended Skrewt or a Flobberworm for his patronus seeing he was so fond of them.

Oh poor Molly - likened to a chook who aren't very bright creatures when she is - she must be to have home schooled her children before they went to Hogwarts.

She sometimes reminds me of a mother possum carrying all her young ones around on her back while scurrying around doing domestic duties etc.
Possum is nice idea too. :)

But when I say Mother Hen, I do not mean she is not intelligent, I mean she is protective of her little ones. The animals that are patronus are not always intelligent like the person is. (I think.)

Knowing Hagrid he could even have a Blast-ended Skrewt or a Flobberworm for his patronus seeing he was so fond of them.
:lol::lol::lol:

Knowing Hagrid he could even have a Blast-ended Skrewt or a Flobberworm for his patronus seeing he was so fond of them.
Yes, but do they reflect his personality? :hmm: It's hard to tell for Hagrid. Maybe a big dog? When we meet Fang in SS/PS, he is described as being friendlier than he looks, like Hagrid. Hagrid and Fang both look dangerous and ferocious, but they're actually good friends when you get to know them. So that's why I think Hagrid's may be a big dog. :)

Yes, but do they reflect his personality? It's hard to tell for Hagrid. Maybe a big dog? When we meet Fang in SS/PS, he is described as being friedlier than he looks, like Hagrid. Hagrid and Fang both look dangerous and ferocious, but they're actually good friends when you get to know them. So that's why I think Hagrid's may be a big dog.
me fears we might end with a lot of dogs...which i dont mind...i was part of the doggie fandom :lol::p

Sirius was a dog was he not?
Ron´s is a dog...
Hagrid too?

oh i am not arguing i agree with granger Hermione here,the description is totally Hagrid´s fierce at first glance but once you know him a total sweetie...

Yes, but do they reflect his personality? :hmm: It's hard to tell for Hagrid. Maybe a big dog? When we meet Fang in SS/PS, he is described as being friedlier than he looks, like Hagrid. Hagrid and Fang both look dangerous and ferocious, but they're actually good friends when you get to know them. So that's why I think Hagrid's may be a big dog. :)
Yes I can see that. Big dog that look ferocious but a baby is safe with even if baby pull dog's tail. Hagrid is like that. :)

Look how he is with Grawp. Grawp is like baby to Hagrid, hurt Hagrid, but Hagrid does not mind. Continue to care for little brother.

Sirius was a dog was he not?
Ron´s is a dog...
Hagrid too?

Well, maybe they are different breeds of dogs. :) We know that Ron's is a terrier. And I think Hagrid's could be a boarhound like Fang. Sirius' was probably another type of dog, but I'm not sure which. :hmm:

Well, maybe they are different breeds of dogs. We know that Ron's is a terrier. And I think Hagrid's could be a boarhound like Fang. Sirius' was probably another type of dog, but I'm not sure which.
I suppose the same as his animagus was...and that was a big black dog ...of course not a grim...but a hound?

I sort of like the idea of Molly being a mongoose, they're related to weasels and they've been known to kill deadly snakes. ;)

Yes I never thought of Mongoose.

However we've all been trying to match up patronuses with the personality of the caster but we have all seem to have forgotten that Snape's was a doe and he certainly didn't appear to have a personality like one - nor I suppose did Lily for that matter. And is Luna really rabbit-like?

I think you can choose what creature you want and your patronus could be that. Luna must like rabbits but I wonder why didn't she have a snargle or something?

I think a rabbit suits Luna very well, she as an inquisitive personality and well out of personal experiences rabbits/hares are like that.

As for the Nargle, there is no proof even in the magical world to my knowledge that they exist.

Yes I never thought of Mongoose.

However we've all been trying to match up patronuses with the personality of the caster but we have all seem to have forgotten that Snape's was a doe and he certainly didn't appear to have a personality like one - nor I suppose did Lily for that matter. And is Luna really rabbit-like?

I think you can choose what creature you want and your patronus could be that. Luna must like rabbits but I wonder why didn't she have a snargle or something?

Luna's patronus is a hare. I think that JK may have chosen the hare for Luna for a few different reasons.

- Hares are associated with witchcraft
- Some cultures see a hare in the dark patches of the moon (Luna = moon)
- There is also the saying 'Mad as a March hare' and Luna is known as Loony Lovegood.


I'd completely forgotten about Snape's patronus being a doe though.

There seem to be a wide range of reasons people have the patronuses they do. For example:

Harry's patronus is a stag like his father. This could be because because he took comfort in the memory of his father, his belief that his father was looking out for him and/or his desire to be like his father. Snape's patronus is a doe. This could be because he took comfort and solace with his memories of Lily and it was his love for her that gave him the strength and will to go against Voldemort. Likewise, Tonks' patronus of a werewolf was based on her love and acceptance of Remus and Hermione's patronus of a otter could be because of her love for Ron and the Weasley family as a whole. (The Weasleys reside at Ottery St. Catchpole. Not to mention, otters and weasels are related.)

I think it's also very likely that Lily's patronus of a doe is because of her love for James and reflects that since James was an animagus before they got together.

Ron's patronus of a Jack Russell Terrier could represent his personality. Terriers aren't the most intimidating dogs but they are tenacious in pursuit of something, loyal, clever and playful. Similarly, Luna's patronus of a hare could represent her odd nature but also her gentleness and Ginny's patronus of a horse could represent her independent, high-spirited nature.

James' patronus of a stag reflects his animagus and his animagus form came first, which means it also reflects his personality. Stags are known for being very independent and will often lock horns with other males, if not over territory than over females. McGonagall's patronus of a cat also reflects her animagus form. Cats are known for being intelligent but aloof.

Depending on how much time a person spends in their animagus form and if they like that form (which would affect the former, I would assume) I'd bet for a lot of them their patronuses reflect their animagus form.

Dumbledore's patronus of a phoenix could be because of his fondness for the animal and his beloved pet Fawkes in particular. His brother Aberforth had a goat and we know he is quite fond of those animals. I wouldn't be surprised if Umbridge's patronus of a cat is because she likes them. She just seems to be the type to own a pampered white Persian with a big pink bow on its head.

Finally, Arthur's patronus of a weasel could be because of his family name, his status as patriarch of the Weasely family and his pride and love for his family.

So I think patronuses can reflect: 1.) love for someone else with that patronus/animagus form or who can be associated with that patronus for other reasons, 2.) a personality that reflects the qualities commonly associated with the patronus, 3.) a person's animagus form, 4.) fondness for the animal itself or 5.) any other pleasant association with a particular animal that doesn't fit into the above.

There's no one reason.

Love the 'mad as a March hare' reference re 'loony' Luna. I wonder if her birthday is in March. Anybody know?

Re Snargles - or Wrackspurts (or whatever they are) - they exist in Luna's mind and she must have some mental picture of what they look like so you never know..........

The point I was making is that your patronus doesn't necessarily have to reflect your personality. So our speculation on various people's patronuses could be way off the mark. They just might choose an animal or creature they like but has completely different characteristics to them.

Hermione's was an otter but was she really like one - many people thought hers would be a wise old bookish owl....
Harry never struck me as being stag like.
Snape certainly wasn't doe like.
They chose their patronuses with connections to the people they loved.

However we've all been trying to match up patronuses with the personality of the caster but we have all seem to have forgotten that Snape's was a doe and he certainly didn't appear to have a personality like one - nor I suppose did Lily for that matter. And is Luna really rabbit-like?

I think you can choose what creature you want and your patronus could be that. Luna must like rabbits but I wonder why didn't she have a snargle or something?



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yeah but Snape´s case is different i believe,he had this as a sort of reminder he loved lily so...
I know the Mongoose but somehow it doesnt fit with the motherly features of Molly does it...thats why i had liked the lioness...a lioness is fierce and so is a mad mother hen...so ,which do you prefer...i think i am sticking with the lioness...i mean like someone said ,i dont see everyone having patronuses that match their couple...even if they love them dearly...For instance i dont see Hermione changing her otter for a doggy...

Hermione's was an otter but was she really like one - many people thought hers would be a wise old bookish owl....
I think Hermiones otter does match her personality...otters are pretty clever ...they are experts in dealing with clams which could resemble problems...otters are specialist in opening them so i see her otter and the skill they have openig clams as the reperesentation of solving problems ...i dont know i f i am making sense..ill elabaorat ee later when i come home...

Yes but otters don't strike me as bookish as Hermione certainly was. Actually I don't think owls are the clever bird they are made out to be. So Hermione wouldn't suit a bird at all really - would she???

No she's an otter because of the name of the area where the Weasley's live Ottery St Catchpole - lovely name.

Patronuses change due to strong emotions, as we seee when Tonks' Patronus changes to mirror Lupin's because she loves him so much. Snaoe's Patronus is a doe because he loves Lily. And Lily's patronus is a doe to match James' stag because they love each other. Besides, I think a doe siut her. Does are gentle, beautiful animals. They always are ith their young, taking care of them and protecting them. And that's how Lily died, protecting her son.

As for Hermione's otter, it's hard to tell how it matches her personality. Otters are very playful, but IMO Hermione isn't very playful. But one reason Hermione has an otter might be because they are pretty clever. They break shells open to eat the meat inside by cracking the shell on a rock. They also wrap themselves up in kelp at night so that they won't float ot to sea while they are sleeping. That's a pretty smart animal if you ask me. ;)

They break shells open to eat the meat inside by cracking the shell on a rock. They also wrap themselves up in kelp at night so that they won't float ot to sea while they are sleeping. That's a pretty smart animal if you ask me.
Precisely my point....i do see a similarity ...of course it doesnt strike one as booksih,but honestly no animal will be bookish...so I agree that the fact on how they manage to break up the shell is what makes themlike Hermione...pretty much like when she reasons and breaks up a problem...by finding a solution...

Precisely my point....i do see a similarity ...of course it doesnt strike one as booksih,but honestly no animal will be bookish...so I agree that the fact on how they manage to break up the shell is what makes themlike Hermione...pretty much like when she reasons and breaks up a problem...by finding a solution...
Oh sorry, I didn't see your post. :D You beat me to it. :tu: I agree. You're right, animals can't really be 'bookish' or 'know-it-alls,' after all, they're animals. But otters, as you pointed out, are clever enough to find solutions to their problems, such as cracking open shells on rocks and wrapping themselves in kelp to keep from floating away while they sleep.

Some people might say that Hermione's patronus should be an owl because owls are a symbol of wisdom. But there is a dinstinct difference between wisdom and intelligence. Although Hermione can be very wise at times, I think she's mostly intelligent and clever. An otter may not be wise like and owl, but from its behavior we can tell it is clever.

Oh sorry, I didn't see your post. You beat me to it. I agree. You're right, animals can't really be 'bookish' or 'know-it-alls,' after all, they're animals. But otters, as you pointed out, are clever enough to find solutions to their problems, such as cracking open shells on rocks and wrapping themselves in kelp to keep from floating away while they sleep.

Some people might say that Hermione's patronus should be an owl because owls are a symbol of wisdom. But there is a dinstinct difference between wisdom and intelligence. Although Hermione can be very wise at times, I think she's mostly intelligent and clever. An otter may not be wise like and owl, but from its behavior we can tell it is clever.

Oh dont worry...i dont mind getting the credit for ideas or saying things at all ...what i meant was that I agreed with you totally ,you were expressing exactly the same reasoning I was having ...thats what I meant mostly...probably didnt express my self properly...

I dont see why owls are considered wise...clueless here...maybe and old belief leads to this conception of the animal...this is what I found about that on the net..and I quote

The owl is not a wise animal. For its size, the owl has a small brain, and in fact, is not as smart as geese, crows, and ravens.(hey.... thought goes to Ravenclaw)

However, from ancient times, people have used the owl as a symbol of wisdom. The very serious look on the owl's face might have given people the idea that the owl was wise.


here i stop quoting..the following are my own thoughts...

Hermione showed a lot of comonsense in difficult times..i would consider her clever,smart intelligent...and even wise,thats what wisdom is(acording to wiki) ...the best use of aveilable knowledge ...

this is info i found about the otter....and again i am quoting...

otters have a fine sense of control of their lives and they do that by having an almost single minded focus on their environment

that I can relate to Hermione ...cant you?...having all under control

I dont see why owls are considered wise...clueless here...maybe and old belief leads to this conception of the animal...this is what I found about that on the net..and I quote

The owl is not a wise animal. For its size, the owl has a small brain, and in fact, is not as smart as geese, crows, and ravens.(hey.... thought goes to Ravenclaw)

However, from ancient times, people have used the owl as a symbol of wisdom. The very serious look on the owl's face might have given people the idea that the owl was wise.
Yes, I was wondering about that too: why are owls a symbol of wisdom? As far as I know, they don't do anything that could be considered wise. :hmm: Thanks for those quotes, though, they cleared up a lot. :)

otters have a fine sense of control of their lives and they do that by having an almost single minded focus on their environment

that I can relate to Hermione ...cant you?...having all under control

I wouldn't say the she had everything uder control all the time; sometimes she gets nervous and doesn't know what to do , such as in SS/PS with the Devil's Snare. She knew that light and warmth would repel it, but she was panicking and said something like, "Fire? But there's no wood!" and needed to be reminded that she could conjure fire with her wand. But there were other times when I would say that she had all under control. I was amazied at her brilliance in DH when she, Harry, and Ron were escaping the Lovegoods' house. It was amazing because it was such quick thinking. That's an instance when I think she had everything under control. So I inderstand what you mean and I agree. :)

Hermione showed a lot of comonsense in difficult times..i would consider her clever,smart intelligent...and even wise,thats what wisdom is(acording to wiki) ...the best use of aveilable knowledge ...
It's hard to explain how I see wisdom, but I think it is so much more than intelligence. The definition from Dictionary.com is "the quality or state of being wise; knowledge of what is true or right coupled with just judgment as to action; sagacity, discernment, or insight." Common sense is part of it, like you said, but it's also something else...I just can't find the right words for it. Someone I consider to be wise is Dumbledore. He saw things that others couldn't understand. Hermione isn't as wise as him IMO, but I definitely think that her wisdom increases throught the series. In SS/PS she was just book-smart and clever, but then later on she began to realize what's really important in life and she gained a lot of wisdom, IMO. :) So I think an owl would suit her since it represents wisdom, but I like the idea of an otter better for some reason. They seem more gentle and playful, I guess, and owls just seem stern and serious to me. :lol:

wouldn't say the she had everything uder control all the time; sometimes she gets nervous and doesn't know what to do , such as in SS/PS with the Devil's Snare. She knew that light and warmth would repel it, but she was panicking and said something like, "Fire? But there's no wood!" and needed to be reminded that she could conjure fire with her wand. But there were other times when I would say that she had all under control. In DH when she and Harry were escaping from the Lovegoods' house, Hermione was able to shake off a Death Eater who grabbed her while she was apparating. And immediately after that, she was able to change her apparation course to a secure location. That's an instance when I was amazed at how she was able to think so quickly and gain control of the situation. So I inderstand what you mean and I agree.
thats because there she had to improvise...and she is the kind that sucks at improvisation...well at least at first she did...and she did improve still she does better when she has time to plan and analyze ...thats what i meant really...and i agree with you in the fact that she did get loads better and by the end of Hallows she did seem to have most of things under control...including her feelings for Ron...so I would say this fits the otter...and the other things we had said about the shell opening thingy...i keep researching about the otter behaviour and nothing else strikes me as why JK would give her that specific patronus...

You know grangerhermione i had even confused myslef into believeing th eotter was a beaver and i thought that suited her perfectly cause of her teeth and the saying busy as a beaver...ever heard that one?
but theni realized it was not a beaver but an otter...

sitll i think i will find no more similarities ,so i rest the case...

You know grangerhermione i had even confused myslef into believeing th eotter was a beaver and i thought that suited her perfectly cause of her teeth and the saying busy as a beaver...ever heard that one?
but theni realized it was not a beaver but an otter...
:lol: I did the exact same thing the first time I read it! I read "otter" but in my mind I was thinking "beaver." I thought it fit because of her teeth. :blush: But that's just her appearance...the otter's behavior matches Hermione's personality better. :)

Just wondering...is Charlie Weasley's patronus been discussed here? If not, what do you think would match him? I would initially say a dragon since he works with them, but I don't think Charlie's personality would match a dragon. Dragons are too fierce for him IMO. He's more gentle and friendly. Any ideas?

Just wondering...is Charlie Weasley's patronus been discussed here? If not, what do you think would match him? I would initially say a dragon since he works with them, but I don't think Charlie's personality would match a dragon. Dragons are too fierce for him IMO. He's more gentle and friendly. Any ideas?
If it were a dragon it would be Mushu from Mulan...:lol:know him...he is a dragon ,but a very sweet one...

Nah,seriously..Charlie,I dont think we know him much.Still he has to be very brave.to deal with dragons,he gives me the impression of being a brave guy with a quiet type...how about a lizard...not a monitor or komodo dragon cause those are gressive ...just a plain lizard that ressembles what he works with but does not have the agressiveness standards of their bigger relatives

Yes, but do they reflect his personality? :hmm: It's hard to tell for Hagrid. Maybe a big dog? When we meet Fang in SS/PS, he is described as being friendlier than he looks, like Hagrid. Hagrid and Fang both look dangerous and ferocious, but they're actually good friends when you get to know them. So that's why I think Hagrid's may be a big dog. :)

I always thought Hagrid's patronus would be a bear. I'd think it would have to be something big, furry, lumbering, and a bit playful with their young. In HBP, Harry mistakes Hagrid for a large bear on hind legs when he's running to look for help after Katie Bell was cursed by the necklace.

I always thought Hagrid's patronus would be a bear. I'd think it would have to be something big, furry, lumbering, and a bit playful with their young. In HBP, Harry mistakes Hagrid for a large bear on hind legs when he's running to look for help after Katie Bell was cursed by the necklace.
I do like a bear for Hagrid ...how about you Granger?

If it were a dragon it would be Mushu from Mulan...:lol:know him...he is a dragon ,but a very sweet one...
:lol: I love Mushu. He's so funny.

Nah,seriously..Charlie,I dont think we know him much.Still he has to be very brave.to deal with dragons,he gives me the impression of being a brave guy with a quiet type...how about a lizard...not a monitor or komodo dragon cause those are gressive ...just a plain lizard that ressembles what he works with but does not have the agressiveness standards of their bigger relatives
That seems like a good idea to me. Dragons are obviously a passion that Charlie has, and though he doesn't share their characteristics, it's probably a part of who he is. So I like the idea of the lizard; related to dragons, but much friendlier. :tu:

So I like the idea of the lizard; related to dragons, but much friendlier.
oh goodie...we agree...
how about Slughhorn ...ever wondered what his might be?

Yes, I was wondering about that too: why are owls a symbol of wisdom? As far as I know, they don't do anything that could be considered wise. :hmm: Thanks for those quotes, though, they cleared up a lot. :)


I think it has to do (in part) with the stereotypical appearance and behavior of certain types of owls.


The reserved manner of some owls, sitting there sedately on a branch as if pondering deep philisophical questions like a feathered Socrates. In reality, it probably has to do with the nocturnal nature or the hunting habits. Humans usually only see them when everything else seems still.
The deep, penetrating, nearly unblinking stare. It gives them the air of having deep knowledge, and being able to stare into the depths of your soul. In reality, owls may have a more human-like face than other birds in the sense that the eyes are more in the front of the head, as opposed to being more towards opposite sides. Isn't that what gives some types of owls spectacular binocular vision?
The appearance of spectacles, associated with bookish tendencies and venerable age. Some varieties have markings and variations in the feathers of the face which look a little like spectacles, don't they?


Just some thoughts, anyway. :shrug:

Besides, it took an owl to figure out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop. ;)

oh goodie...we agree...
how about Slughhorn ...ever wondered what his might be?
That's an interesting thought. Offhand I can't think of an animal that likes luxury and being the center of things...at his core, though, Slughorn is pretty shrewd.

Well come on you lot what about Slughorn? Someone must have had some inspiration surely or have we all suddenly gone into downtime mode.

I think it has to do (in part) with the stereotypical appearance and behavior of certain types of owls.


The reserved manner of some owls, sitting there sedately on a branch as if pondering deep philisophical questions like a feathered Socrates. In reality, it probably has to do with the nocturnal nature or the hunting habits. Humans usually only see them when everything else seems still.
The deep, penetrating, nearly unblinking stare. It gives them the air of having deep knowledge, and being able to stare into the depths of your soul. In reality, owls may have a more human-like face than other birds in the sense that the eyes are more in the front of the head, as opposed to being more towards opposite sides. Isn't that what gives some types of owls spectacular binocular vision?
The appearance of spectacles, associated with bookish tendencies and venerable age. Some varieties have markings and variations in the feathers of the face which look a little like spectacles, don't they?

Thank you. :) That helped a lot.

how about Slughhorn ...ever wondered what his might be?
:hmm: This is a toughie. It's hard to come up for something for Slughorn. So let's see what we know about him:

He hand-picked students that he thought would excel in later life or were rich or famous, and then formed the 'Slug Club' and hten encouraged them to let their talents show. The purpose of the Club was so that when the students in the Slug Club became ich and famous, they would remember Slughorn, the person who helped them become what they were. He planned it out so that he would have all sorts of famous contacts to send him gifts and things like that.

So he reminds me of a rather fat domestic cat. The kind that cozies up to their owner to get what they want. Sort of like Garfield. :lol:

Well come on you lot what about Slughorn? Someone must have had some inspiration surely or have we all suddenly gone into downtime mode.

Well, it could be a slug, of course......:lol:

OK, seriously.....a shrewd animal with a fine sense of self-protection. Still nothing. A porcupine fits the self-protection part, but I don't thing they're shrewd......although they are in the rodent family....

Well come on you lot what about Slughorn? Someone must have had some inspiration surely or have we all suddenly gone into downtime mode.



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tough questions require some thinking.....

I feel like Hedwigowl...a bit clueless...but i did like the Garfield suggestion...

I do see slughorn like a pilot fish ...know those...the ones that hang around with sharks,with whom they share a mutualism realtionship in which both sides receive a benefit...but i dont know....

Or a Snail - aren't they like slugs with horns and houses?

Now seriously perhaps a wombat. No I think cat perhaps a gingery colored persian type. Likes the luxury and will suck up to you when they want something....

I see Charlie as a Frilly-necked Lizard for some reason..

Or a Snail - aren't they like slugs with horns and houses?

Now seriously perhaps a wombat. No I think cat perhaps a gingery colored persian type. Likes the luxury and will suck up to you when they want something....



The gender may not be right on this suggestion, but Slughorn is a bit like a queen bee, with everyone buzzing around and bringing food and attention.

:hmm: This is a toughie. It's hard to come up for something for Slughorn. So let's see what we know about him:

He hand-picked students that he thought would excel in later life or were rich or famous, and then formed the 'Slug Club' and hten encouraged them to let their talents show. The purpose of the Club was so that when the students in the Slug Club became ich and famous, they would remember Slughorn, the person who helped them become what they were. He planned it out so that he would have all sorts of famous contacts to send him gifts and things like that.

So he reminds me of a rather fat domestic cat. The kind that cozies up to their owner to get what they want. Sort of like Garfield. :lol:

My first thought was of some giant, fat, domestic cat. Something like a Persian or Maine Coon. Don't we have two characters with cat patroni already?

I do see slughorn like a pilot fish ...know those...the ones that hang around with sharks,with whom they share a mutualism realtionship in which both sides receive a benefit...but i dont know....

Pilot fish - excellent! I was trying to think of one of those land birds that walks around and picks food out from between the teeth of crocodiles or hippos.

Other than that, I suppose there's the walrus comparison.

I was also thinking of a spider at the center of his web (did Harry draw that parallel at one point?).

Perhaps something from the magical creatures department? A crup - seeks out treasure and attractive baubles. A firecrab - has a jewelled, tortoise-like shell. Either of these might reflect Horace's appreciation for the finer (material) things in life.

However Queen bee sounds good too.

I feel like Hedwigowl...a bit clueless...but i did like the Garfield suggestion...

I do see slughorn like a pilot fish ...know those...the ones that hang around with sharks,with whom they share a mutualism realtionship in which both sides receive a benefit...but i dont know....
Ah, well thank you about the Garfield suggestion. :blush: But I like your idea much better. :) I was trying to think of an animal that that sided with much powerful animals and helped them out so that they could get rewards, but all that came to mind was the fat cat. :lol: I really like your suggestion; it seems to describe Slughorn perfectly. :tu: My mind was kind of stuck on him...thanks for posting that great suggestion! :D

Its been ages since this was mentioned but I have to disagree about fred and george being baboons. have you actually looked into baboon behaviour? they look funny but they are actually quite nasty and violent and will tear babies limb from limb, beat another baboon to death on a whim and have been known to kill deer for both food and just for fun.

funny monkeys yes, baboons no *shudders*. I did like the suggestion of the meerkats though that was hilarious. What I was wondering is what about patronuses of marine animals like dolphins. Id assume they would just 'swim' through the air? cos otherwise it would be a wee bit embarassing if your patronus was a killer whale that just slumped to the gorund and couldnt move.

I don't know much about Pilot Fish but they hang around sharks for mutual benefit then yes Slughorn's patronus could be one of them - but would that be how he sees himself? He might not like being likened to a sort of parasite and think of himself more like a Queen Bee - or a drone - they don't do much except service the queen bee in return for being looked after by the workers a bit.
Oh that's a bit parasitic too....

Hmmm, Charlie's patronus. I had never really thought about it, but i suppose he must have one. Maybe he would be a type of dog too, although i'm relucyant to add another character to that list. But i would say a large friendly dog, so a lab or a golden retriever, but hey, thats just my opinion :)

On the subject of Voldemort`s patronus (even if he didn`t have one), different things make people happy. Surely LV has a few of (what he would call) happy memories stashed away at the back of his mind. Like the first time he rose to great power, or killing his first muggle victims (his father). He enjoyed controlling people, manipulation, power. All of these things would`ve made hime happy. Happiness is happiness whatever it`s source and could therefore produce a Patronus.
However, if he felt he didn`t need one then fair enough.
As for the other Death Eaters. Do they not have them, or are they incapable? If all you need is a happy menory then surely weddings, births of children (say what you like about the Malfoys, they were a very close family unit).

On the subject of Voldemort`s patronus (even if he didn`t have one), different things make people happy. Surely LV has a few of (what he would call) happy memories stashed away at the back of his mind. Like the first time he rose to great power, or killing his first muggle victims (his father). He enjoyed controlling people, manipulation, power. All of these things would`ve made hime happy. Happiness is happiness whatever it`s source and could therefore produce a Patronus.
However, if he felt he didn`t need one then fair enough.
As for the other Death Eaters. Do they not have them, or are they incapable? If all you need is a happy menory then surely weddings, births of children (say what you like about the Malfoys, they were a very close family unit).

If he had one, it probably would be in the form of a dementor. After all, causing other people's pain and misery was one of his favorite pastimes.

Other than that, I suppose there's the walrus comparison.:lol::lol:
Pilot fish - excellent! I was trying to think of one of those land birds that walks around and picks food out from between the teeth of crocodiles or hippos.

thankyou Privet Hedge:p
what i dotn like about this idea is that well its such a little patronus ..how would a fish face dementors....:hmm:

was also thinking of a spider at the center of his web (did Harry draw that parallel at one point?).

I like this one.... is a pretty neat idea too...a spider who does have everything that goes near him get stuck there for he own benefit....:tu:
Ah, well thank you about the Garfield suggestion. But I like your idea much better. I was trying to think of an animal that that sided with much powerful animals and helped them out so that they could get rewards, but all that came to mind was the fat cat. I really like your suggestion; it seems to describe Slughorn perfectly. My mind was kind of stuck on him...thanks for posting that great suggestion!



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quite pleased that so many like my idea...:p

I did like garfield though
Thanks for th effedback Granger:p
Its been ages since this was mentioned but I have to disagree about fred and george being baboons. have you actually looked into baboon behaviour? they look funny but they are actually quite nasty and violent and will tear babies limb from limb, beat another baboon to death on a whim and have been known to kill deer for both food and just for fun.

i disagree about baboons too,its either chimpanzees and orangutans or chipmunks....
I don't know much about Pilot Fish but they hang around sharks for mutual benefit then yes Slughorn's patronus could be one of them - but would that be how he sees himself? He might not like being likened to a sort of parasite and think of himself more like a Queen Bee - or a drone - they don't do much except service the queen bee in return for being looked after by the workers a bit.
Oh that's a bit parasitic too....

o but a parasit is a oneway only benefit,with the pilot fish and the clown anemone fish both parts receive beneift...with Sluggy´s case the benefit received from him could have been knowldege...he wasnt a lousy teacher...he was an inductive one...and his methods were a bit more less stressful than dear Snape ones...so I do believe there was a benefit....

The problem i have with the queen bee,spider and the pilot fish is size...would a very small animal be a good idea for a patronus...:hmm:
and this is another question...does one choose the patronus or its simply comes out like how you feel ,but its involuntary....Harry´s did come out wihtout him choosing but it was a clear reflection of whom he loved and what he wanted to be like...Snape on the other hand did seem to have chosen....
Hmmm, Charlie's patronus. I had never really thought about it, but i suppose he must have one. Maybe he would be a type of dog too, although i'm relucyant to add another character to that list. But i would say a large friendly dog, so a lab or a golden retriever, but hey, thats just my opinion

too many dogs already..:lol:
i sitck to his lizard:p

I was also thinking of a spider at the center of his web (did Harry draw that parallel at one point?).
:hmm: I think he did, but I can't recall where. I like your idea, though. :) It seems to fit Slughorn fairly well.

Its been ages since this was mentioned but I have to disagree about fred and george being baboons. have you actually looked into baboon behaviour? they look funny but they are actually quite nasty and violent and will tear babies limb from limb, beat another baboon to death on a whim and have been known to kill deer for both food and just for fun.
:eeep: Wow, I had no idea. :scared: But I think we put down chimpanzees or orangutans for them. *shudder* I agree, definitely NOT baboons.



The problem i have with the queen bee,spider and the pilot fish is size...would a very small animal be a good idea for a patronus...:hmm:
Yeah, they would seem a bit weak against a Dementor, but I guess if you conjure it with powerful memories then it would be OK. Like Umbridge's cat in DH. It was very small, but it held back the dementors because she was so happy to be torturing Muggle-Borns. :no:
and this is another question...does one choose the patronus or its simply comes out like how you feel ,but its involuntary....Harry´s did come out wihtout him choosing but it was a clear reflection of whom he loved and what he wanted to be like...Snape on the other hand did seem to have chosen....
I think it just comes according to your personality and feelings, but it's involuntary. Snape had a doe because he loved Lily, but I don't think he chose for it to be that way. His patronus just changed because he loved her so deeply, like how Tonks' changed to be a werewolf because she loved Lupin.

OK if patronuses comes with your personality and feelings how many are going to feel like insects or parasites? Not many I bet. So how did Slughorn feel about himself - most likely not like a spider - although he did attend Aragog's burial (if only to get his venom for use in potions). This makes it harder for us to really guess what his patronus is. Now when I think about it male lions don't do much except procreate with the female lionesses and defend their territory while the lionesses do all the hard work like raise the cubs and get the food so he can eat first etc etc. Perhaps Slughorn sees himself that way?

This might just be the dedicated-till-I-die Hermione/Ron shipper in me, but I believe Hermione's patronus being an otter was JK Rowling's shout-out to the Ron/Hermione relationship. Otter is a member of the Weasel family.

Weasel <----> Weasley

Get it?

I would imagine Slughorn's patronus would be a walrus. The first impression we were given of him (or at least I was) was that he looked like a walrus. Walruses are big and would make good shields... :lol:

OK if patronuses comes with your personality and feelings how many are going to feel like insects or parasites? Not many I bet. So how did Slughorn feel about himself - most likely not like a spider - although he did attend Aragog's burial (if only to get his venom for use in potions). This makes it harder for us to really guess what his patronus is. Now when I think about it male lions don't do much except procreate with the female lionesses and defend their territory while the lionesses do all the hard work like raise the cubs and get the food so he can eat first etc etc. Perhaps Slughorn sees himself that way?
Yeah, but that would kind of go along with the whole 'choose your patronus' thing. Slughorn may not feel that he is a spider, but IMO patronuses come from deep inside you, from what's really there, not what you think is there. Kind of like the Sorting Hat; it can see deep down to what truly matters to you. When I say it is created from feelings and personality, I don't mean that how you think of yourself is what your patronus would be. Personality is character; you don't really choose your own personality. It's just who you are. And when I said feelings, I was referring to mostly love because we have seen a couple of patronuses that have changed because of it, i.e. Snape and Tonks. They loved so deeply that it became a part of them. I think whatever feelings are a part of your character are what the patronus is made from. For example, if you're always angry and agressive, your patronus might be a lion. But IMO it has to be a part of your personality for it to apply to your patronus. Am I making sense...?

But this is all JMHO...

This might just be the dedicated-till-I-die Hermione/Ron shipper in me, but I believe Hermione's patronus being an otter was JK Rowling's shout-out to the Ron/Hermione relationship. Otter is a member of the Weasel family.

Weasel <----> Weasley

Get it?

:lol: I get it. And being a major Hr/R shipper myself, I see what you're going at. Mr. Weasley's patronus is a weasel after all, so there's got to be something with that. At first I thought that was really funny because it seemed as if he only had a weasel because of his name, and I don't know if his personality relates to a weasel...

But we must also remember that the Weasleys lived near a place called Ottery St Catchpole - or something. That could also be partly why Hermione - with fond memories of being at the Weasleys - she had an otter as her patronus - apart from the fact that weasels are a bit like the land version of the (water) otters and also the fact she wanted to become part of the Weasley family because of her love for Ron. IMO of course. Sorry for the overlong sentence....

OK if patronuses comes with your personality and feelings how many are going to feel like insects or parasites? Not many I bet. So how did Slughorn feel about himself - most likely not like a spider - although he did attend Aragog's burial (if only to get his venom for use in potions). This makes it harder for us to really guess what his patronus is. Now when I think about it male lions don't do much except procreate with the female lionesses and defend their territory while the lionesses do all the hard work like raise the cubs and get the food so he can eat first etc etc. Perhaps Slughorn sees himself that way?
But ...ok...I dont think Harry felt like he was a stag ...its something uncouncious....

ummmm a lion....but he is a bit of a coward in a way and male lions arent ,i amean they are lazy,the like the work done for them,but I dont see them depending on the lioness gor defense and sluggy did went to Hogwarts under the impression he would be under the defense of DD...so i dont know...not what you think is there:agree::agree::agree:

I get it. And being a major Hr/R shipper myself, I see what you're going at. Mr. Weasley's patronus is a weasel after all, so there's got to be something with that. At first I thought that was really funny because it seemed as if he only had a weasel because of his name, and I don't know if his personality relates to a weasel...
ohhhhhhhhhhh i had not thought of that...thanks for sharing that bit with us...

But ...ok...I dont think Harry felt like he was a stag ...its something uncouncious....
:lol: I don't think he felt like a stag either. I agree that the form a patronus takes is not because a conscious choice that the wielder makes.

ummmm a lion....but he is a bit of a coward in a way and male lions arent ,i amean they are lazy,the like the work done for them,but I dont see them depending on the lioness gor defense and sluggy did went to Hogwarts under the impression he would be under the defense of DD...so i dont know...
I agree. A lion is a bit of a stretch for Slughorn. You're right, he's a bit of a coward; I seem to recall that in DH he didn't want to stay for the Battle of Hogwarts and fight; he wanted to get to safety. Lions represent bravery, and IMO Slughorn wasn't very brave. That's why he wasn't in Gryffindor.

And thanks for agreeing with me, Montse. :D

Perhaps Slughorn's patronus was a cat. Cat's can be cowards. But what about Voldemort's patronus? To me I think Voldemort's patronus would be a snake.

I agree. A lion is a bit of a stretch for Slughorn. You're right, he's a bit of a coward; I seem to recall that in DH he didn't want to stay for the Battle of Hogwarts and fight; he wanted to get to safety. Lions represent bravery, and IMO Slughorn wasn't very brave. That's why he wasn't in Gryffindor.

And thanks for agreeing with me, Montse.
:p:p

But what about Voldemort's patronus? To me I think Voldemort's patronus would be a snake.



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um i had agreed if he indeed produced on e it would be a snake but then someone said Jk had said voldy owuldnt have one and neither one of his death eaters so we stopped discussing...:lol:

oh ...i do wo want an avatar,but for that i need to be in hogsmade and with my awful typing ill never make it...:upset:

oh ...i do wo want an avatar,but for that i need to be in hogsmade and with my awful typing ill never make it...:upset:
Awww....:huggles: Cheer up! You always have very good ideas. :tu: I don't type that well either. :D Maybe if you just slow down a bit and edit through your posts for mistakes before you post them, you'd do better. :) Just make sure that you're using the right capitlization, punctuation, and spelling, and I'm sure it'll improve a lot. :)

Anyway, we know that Kingsley's patronus is a lynx, but maybe we could talk aboout why it is that particular patronus. Any ideas?

Awww.... Cheer up! You always have very good ideas. I don't type that well either. Maybe if you just slow down a bit and edit through your posts for mistakes before you post them, you'd do better. Just make sure that you're using the right capitalization, punctuation, and spelling, and I'm sure it'll improve a lot.
oh thats sweet of you...cheers up at the thought of someone thinking i have good ideas...I know i don't mind much really,its just i have to usually do all the proofreading for college i have tried to relax in here and dont mind ,but i think i will need to mind if I do want an avatar...thanks for the advice...:tu:Anyway, we know that Kingsley's patronus is a lynx, but maybe we could talk about why it is that particular patronus. Any ideas?

a lynx...well here is a bit of info about the Lynx...

The lynx is active mainly after sundown. It hunts rabbits, hares, birds, and small deer. It usually hunts by laying in ambush and then leaping swiftly, or by stalking its prey and then pouncing. It cannot run especially fast, but it can climb trees, although not to any great height. It is solitary, except during the mating season, which occurs from January through March.

We know Kingsley is a hunter too,only he hunts death eaters...

I like the idea that the lynx sets an ambush for its prey...I suppose this could apply to Shackelbolt...

We may assume he is solitary...he mostly operated alone as far as i remember...

Their sense of smell is poor, their hearing is good and their eyes are well adapted for hunting in low light.

I liked this bit...it says the lynx´s hearing is good,didn't Harry often were warned in the story by shakelbolt because of his good hearing and fast way of getting info...(hearing time,and the ministry fall)

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um i had agreed if he indeed produced on e it would be a snake but then someone said Jk had said voldy owuldnt have one and neither one of his death eaters so we stopped discussing...:lol:

oh ...i do wo want an avatar,but for that i need to be in hogsmade and with my awful typing ill never make it...:upset:
Become a proud member of OFINOA (obsessed fans in need of Avatar). And get a dictionary out whenever you are on here. Trust me I think I need to use that too. Oh wait you said typing not spelling. Never mind then.

Didn't Harry choose the stag as his patronus because that was his fathers animagus???

Perhaps Slughorn was a coward because he knew he was lousy at fighting and knew it would cost him his life. It was a matter of self preservation and now I think his patronus could be a chameleon (or however it's spelt) since he did try to disguise himself by tuning into an armchair. Pity you can't have inanimate objects as patronuses as an armchair would be ideal for Slughorn.

Didn't Harry choose the stag as his patronus because that was his fathers animagus???

No ,I don't think so...he produced a patronus and it was a stag...he was thinking of his father though...remeber he thought it had been him and when he realizes it wasn't James he produces one,and its a Stag, so I suppose the thought of James made it a Stag...but I don't think this qualifies as choosing...

Perhaps Slughorn was a coward because he knew he was lousy at fighting and knew it would cost him his life. It was a matter of self preservation and now I think his patronus could be a chameleon (or however it's spelt) since he did try to disguise himself by tuning into an armchair. Pity you can't have inanimate objects as patronuses as an armchair would be ideal for Slughorn.:tu:

:lol::lol::lol:

Didn't Harry choose the stag as his patronus because that was his fathers animagus???
You can't choose your patronus. :)

You can't choose your patronus.
Thats what we think...it is kind of an uncouncius reflection of what you are ...isnt it...

Not to derail things to much....

As for me I have no idea, maybe a penguin. But what I am really wondering, and going to have to soon work on, are Patronuses for characters outside the Harry Potter universe.

If you are confused, read my fan fiction.

Didn't Harry choose the stag as his patronus because that was his fathers animagus???
No, he didn't choose it. :) It's like LilyPod said: you can't choose your patronus. They are a reflection of your character. I believe it was said a number of times throughout the series by people who knew James that Hary was just like him. Not just in looks, but in character as well. Harry and James were both a bit of trouble-makers, but they were also were brave and noble. Both James and Harry sacrificed themselves for those they loved, wandless, knowing they would not survive. This is why Harry had James' stag patronus IMO. Not because he chose it. :)

I see Molly's patronus as being a mother bear, loving yet stern and will protect her cubs from anything. A mother bear will even protect her cubs from a male bear. Where as a lioness when her pride is taken over by a new male, will often not stop the new male lion from killing her current cubs.

As for Neville I was thinking maybe a mongoose as they are known to kill venomous snakes and he did take out Nangini.

I like the idea of Remus being a ram, a lamb in wolf's clothing? I wonder what Tonks was before it changed? Maybe a chameleon?

If it was possible to have a non animal patonus I think Fred and George would have some joke type patronus like a fanged frisbee or a whirling firework. I have long thought them to be orangutan, but since reading the suggestion of them having chipmunks I can't get the image of Chip and Dale out of my head. lol

Hagrid would have to be a large but gentle creature. A big dog would work or even a large horse like a Shire which are known as gentle giants. Or what about an Elephant? They are big usually gentle but can be ferocious when the young of their herd are threatened and are even known to try to bury their dead or the bodies of other dead animals with brush.

The first thing that popped into my head for Slughorn was a poodle. not sure why lol

Me wonders ...why was James a Stag?

The first thing that popped into my head for Slughorn was a poodle. not sure why lol
a poodle...as in a dog poodle?

Me wonders ...why was James a Stag?

I know he had a Stag anamagus form, but was it ever stated that his patronus was indeed a Stag? I always thought Harry's was the stag because that was what his fathers animagus form was. Or was it stated somewhere that an anamgus's patronus was always the same as his anamagus?

a poodle...as in a dog poodle?

Yes

I know he had a Stag anamagus form, but was it ever stated that his patronus was indeed a Stag? I always thought Harry's was the stag because that was what his fathers animagus form was. Or was it stated somewhere that an anamgus's patronus was always the same as his anamagus?
Well i do understand that...mgonagall has a cat...and her patronus is a cat...

so the animagus you transform into its going to probably be your patronus ,because it reflects who you are...thats what I understand....why a stag...why would a Stag represent James..?

all I can find when I research about Stags is that they are very fast...whcih probably James was ..being a seeker and that they have a great sense of smell,they can smell danger...great quality required for an auror....thats what i find that I can relate to James...

Well I'm off to do some research on patronuses and how you get them.

If your patronus reflect who you are then Tonks would suit a chameleon among other things.

However I thought Lily chose a doe to match James' stag and Snape chose a doe because of Lily - not because it reflected his characteristics since it obviously didn't. So it seems you can choose the form you want your patronus to be after all. But only if you want to.

IMO a stag seems very noble. James was noble because he knowigngly and willingly sacrificed himself for his family. And Harry sacrificed himself to LV for those he cared about. :) I think a stag fits them both well.

No ,I don't think so...he produced a patronus and it was a stag...he was thinking of his father though...remeber he thought it had been him and when he realizes it wasn't James he produces one,and its a Stag, so I suppose the thought of James made it a Stag...but I don't think this qualifies as choosing...


Harry first conjured a corporeal Patronus at the second Quidditch match of the year (when Draco and the Slytherins dressed up as dementors), long before the night at the lake. Harry saw that he had conjured something enormous, but he didn't have a chance to see it in detail because he was racing Cho to the Snitch.

Lupin probably did see what form the Patronus had taken. Didn't he look shaken when he was congratulating Harry after the match?

Lupin and Sirius told Harry about Sirius, James, and Peter becoming animagi during the conversation in the Shrieking Shack, before the dementor assault at the lake. Harry didn't learn his dad's animagus form at that time. Lupin confirmed James' form was a stag only after the lake and Sirius' escape.

What happened during the lesson when Lupin was teaching Harry how to conjour up one then? That was before anything. I must go off and read POA again.

However it does seem you can produce a patronus without consciously deciding what it will be and have it match your characteristics or like Snape and choose it because of personal reasons even though it doesn't match your characteristics.

You can't choose your patronus. :)
I never thought about how Patronus "shape up" to fit the person, or his/her feelings. You're probably right, LilyPod. But then, what determines someone's Patronus (I mean, before they fall in love?)

Lily Chérie, I like the idea of a Mother Hen for Mrs. Weasley. I think it fits her perfectly. :cool:

However it does seem you can produce a patronus without consciously deciding what it will be and have it match your characteristics or like Snape and choose it because of personal reasons even though it doesn't match your characteristics.
I'm sorry...I still don't think Snape chose for his Patronus to be a doe. He loved Lily so much that his love for her became a part of him. He loved her almost his entire life. And IMO that love was his greatest and most powerful characteristic. It was what made him turn back to the good side in the first place. It was what made him do what he did. Even though he didn't possess the characteristics of a doe, his patronus showed IMO the most prominent part of him--his love for Lily.

JMHO. :)

Hmmm not too sure about his love for Lily being the most prominent part of him( a part of him but I think he had a few parts he was so complex) as I think his bullying nature would give that part a run for its money....

I am still under the impression he chose it though but I'll have to read up on it in case I'm wrong.

Hmmm not too sure about his love for Lily being the most prominent part of him( a part of him but I think he had a few parts he was so complex) as I think his bullying nature would give that part a run for its money....

I am still under the impression he chose it though but I'll have to read up on it in case I'm wrong.

Ah, well, you can percieve it the way you want to; all I'm saying is that his love for Lily influenced a lot of the decisions that defined him, such as turning back to the good side. :)

Oh I agree that Lily influenced a lot of the decisions that defined him etc. I was wondering if he consciously chose the doe for his patronus or did it come out unconsciously? That's why I need to read up on it all - to find out if you can consciously choose your patronus. What if you got one you didn't really like even though it might define you? It might be a shock to system to think you were like that in reality even though you didn't perceive yourself that way. If you get my drift.....

Oh I agree that lily influenced a lot of the decisions that defined him etc. I was wondering if he consciously chose the doe for his patronus or did it come out unconsciously? That's why I need to read up on it all - to find out if you can consciously choose your patronus. What if you got one you didn't really like even though it might define you? It might be a shock to system to think you were like that in reality even though you didn't perceive yourself that way. If you get my drift.....
Yes, I understand what you mean. I personally think that patronus forms come unconsciously, but you're right; it's something that might need to be looked up...

I found this:
The Patronus Charm, like Animagus forms, has been said to reflect the personality or feelings of the witch or wizard. Though they are subject to change if the caster goes through an emotional change of some sort, Nymphadora Tonks being one such example, as her Patronus changed from its previous form to that of a werewolf, reflecting her love of Remus Lupin, a werewolf. There are also some facts supporting the fact that if a wizard is an Animagus and can summon a corporeal Patronus, they may be the same (i.e. Minerva McGonagall and James Potter I).
I guess it doesn't say whether or not a wizard chooses his Patronus, but...you can interpret it the way you want. :)

Where was it established that James' Patronus was a stag, as well?

The Patronus Charm is a projection of positive emotions: happiness, love, etc... Since Lily seemed to be the center of any happiness Snape ever experienced, it doesn't surprise me that conciously or unconciously (I suspect the latter), Snape's doe Patronus is a reflection of her.

Did JKR ever confirm Harry's supposition that Lily had a doe Patronus?

I find myself wondering if James ever tried to amuse baby Harry by changing to his animagus form and back. If Harry had an unconcious (or subconcious) memory of having seen his father in that form, and Harry focused on happy memories of learning about his wizard heritage and following in his father's footsteps to create a Patronus, that may be the link.

Harry first conjured a corporeal Patronus at the second Quidditch match of the year (when Draco and the Slytherins dressed up as dementors), long before the night at the lake. Harry saw that he had conjured something enormous, but he didn't have a chance to see it in detail because he was racing Cho to the Snitch.
YES!!! I had totally forgotten that bit...How silly of me...and at that moment he wasn't thinking about James at all...:p

Thanks for correcting me Privet hedge....:tu:
I'm sorry...I still don't think Snape chose for his Patronus to be a doe. He loved Lily so much that his love for her became a part of him. He loved her almost his entire life. And IMO that love was his greatest and most powerful characteristic. It was what made him turn back to the good side in the first place. It was what made him do what he did. Even though he didn't possess the characteristics of a doe, his patronus showed IMO the most prominent part of him--his love for Lily.

I agree...with every bit you wrote...Totally expresses what I think about the doe and Snape...:tu:

I don't think it is confirmed,we know he was a stag animagus...therefor just like Mgonagall is a cat...her patronus is a cat...then we infer James was a Stag...
Where was it established that James' Patronus was a stag, as well?
The Patronus Charm is a projection of positive emotions: happiness, love, etc... Since Lily seemed to be the center of any happiness Snape ever experienced, it doesn't surprise me that consciously or unconsciously (I suspect the latter), Snape's doe Patronus is a reflection of her.

Nicely explained too...:tu:
I find myself wondering if James ever tried to amuse baby Harry by changing to his animagus form and back. If Harry had an unconscious (or subconscious) memory of having seen his father in that form, and Harry focused on happy memories of learning about his wizard heritage and following in his father's footsteps to create a Patronus, that may be the link.
Interesting theory...could be...i suppose it can be very probable he did...

The Patronus Charm is a projection of positive emotions: happiness, love, etc... Since Lily seemed to be the center of any happiness Snape ever experienced, it doesn't surprise me that conciously or unconciously (I suspect the latter), Snape's doe Patronus is a reflection of her.
That's the coolest explanation I've seen to date of why Snape's Patronus was the same as Lily's. :tu:

We still don't know, do we, why someone's Patronus is such or such an animal? It must be determined somehow, but how and by whom or what?

As for Harry - everyone says how much like James he is, both in appearance and in talent (Quidditch) and character (loyalty, bravery, some rebelliousness, disregard for rules). So it's not very surprising that their Patronuses would be the same animal, is it? At least that's what I think. :)

That's the coolest explanation I've seen to date of why Snape's Patronus was the same as Lily's.

We still don't know, do we, why someone's Patronus is such or such an animal? It must be determined somehow, but how and by whom or what?

As for Harry - everyone says how much like James he is, both in appearance and in talent (Quidditch) and character (loyalty, bravery, some rebelliousness, disregard for rules). So it's not very surprising that their Patronuses would be the same animal, is it? At least that's what I think.




I would think a patronus would be an animal who has some of the characteristics of that person or an animal who reminds them of happiness, or love.

I would think a patronus would be an animal who has some of the characteristics of that person or an animal who reminds them of happiness, or love.
You may be right.

So Lily is a doe because she loves James (like Tonks' Patronus changed when she fell in love with Remus), and Snape's is a doe because Lily is the person with whom he has the happiest memory of his life. It's also obvious why Wormtail is a rat. I can also see why Cho's is a swan; I'm having a bit more trouble with Hermione's as an otter, but I can go along with that. But what resemblance do stags have with the Potters, father and son? Or a phoenix with Dumbledore? Why is Ron a terrier? :hmm:

I don't remember off-hand what Kingsley's or Arthur Weasley's Patronuses were, but I don't think the links with characteristics of either were apparent either. Ditto Luna's, Neville's and whoever else came to Harry's rescue against the Dementors in DH. My short-term memory is really terrible, I've read DH twice or three times, and I still can't remember those! :blush:

But what resemblance do stags have with the Potters, father and son? Or a phoenix with Dumbledore? Why is Ron a terrier?

I don't remember off-hand what Kingsley's or Arthur Weasley's Patronuses were, but I don't think the links with characteristics of either were apparent either. Ditto Luna's, Neville's and whoever else came to Harry's rescue against the Dementors in DH. My short-term memory is really terrible, I've read DH twice or three times, and I still can't remember those!



I'm not sure of the stag-potter resemblance.. I'm not sure what the character traits of a stag are.
But Dumbledore - pheonix.. His most beloved friend was Fawkes, right?

and ron-terrier, he ends up being very loyal in the end...

and i think kingsley's was a lion right?

Surely Snapes should have been a stag, because its abit weird to have a man casting a female patronus.

don't remember off-hand what Kingsley's or Arthur Weasley's Patronuses were, but I don't think the links with characteristics of either were apparent either. Ditto Luna's, Neville's and whoever else came to Harry's rescue against the Dementors in DH. My short-term memory is really terrible, I've read DH twice or three times, and I still can't remember those!
kingsley is a lynx
Arthur is a weasel

Surely Snapes should have been a stag, because its abit weird to have a man casting a female patronus.
i am thinking...how do you produce a patronus...you think of a very happy memory...a powerful and strong happy memory..what if the patronus is the relecction of that happy memory...

Snape´s happy memory would be lily

Surely Snapes should have been a stag, because its abit weird to have a man casting a female patronus.

i don't think so.. because it was fine for Tonks' to be a big dog.. which by first thought would be a male patronus... and Snape loved Lily, and his only happy thought was her. So it makes sense.. Elsewise it would look as though he were in love with James!! And we don't need another gay character running around, do we?

was dumbledore's patronus ever mentioned? i could see his being a Phoenix.

Dumbledore's Patronus was a Phoenix. The Patronuses represent a protector, not necessarily the personality of the persons projecting them. Harry's patronus was a stag because his father's animagus form was a stag.

Tonks patronus changed to represent Remus (a wolf) once she fell in love with him, and Snape's patronus was a doe because of his love for Lily. (The doe, being the mate of the stag, was an appropriate representative of Lily on a number of levels.)

Mr Weasley's patronus was a weasel because that is the creature he's named after, and he's head of the house of Weasley. it's possible that the weasel also represents a revered ancestor of Mr. Weasley.

It's very likely that Voldemort's Patronus would be a snake or even a basilisk due to his inordinate pride in his descent from Salazar Slytherin.

Although Hagrid likes Dragons, his Patronus would be more likely to represent something associated with his father, Dumbledore. or Olympe Maxime.

and i think kingsley's was a lion right?
No, it was a lynx, and I dunno why. Scrimgeour's was possibly a lion, because he had that head of hair like a lion's mane. He also died bravely.

Muggle_Magic and QuickQuill, good points about James and Harry having the same Patronus, because they shared so many of the same character traits. But I'm with my pal Muggle_Magic, not seeing what stags have to do with the qualities - and defects - the two Potters had in common. :hmm:

A weasel for "Weasly" is more of a play on words than anything else. There's nothing weasely about the Weaslys, they're as straightforward and reliable as can be, with the exception of Percy. Now, a ferret for Malfoy, on the other hand, is just, like, perfect! :lol:

Cormac McLaggen: a parot ('cause he won't shut up)
Patil twins: falcons
Bill Weasley: a veela
Molly Weasley: a seagull
Percy Weasley: an owl
Cedric Diggory: a unicorn
Penelope Clearwater: a mermaid
Michael Corner: sasquatch
Filius Flitwick: a hummingbird
Regulus Black: a house-elf
Draco Malfoy: a serpent
Alastor Moody: a rino
Wilhelmina Grubbly-Plank: a nuffler
Sybill Trelawney: an owl
Mundungus Fletcher: a rat
Olympe Maxime: a winged horse
Ludo Bagman: a skunk

i just rewatched OotP and Ginny's was a horse, and the people around me decided.. I hope as a joke because I love Ginny... That she's a horse because she's "ridden alot" which made me wonder.. Why is Ginny's a horse?

What about Sirius'? Is his patronus a dog or could it possibly be something else.

Cormac McLaggen: a parot ('cause he won't shut up)
Patil twins: falcons
Bill Weasley: a veela
Molly Weasley: a seagull
Percy Weasley: an owl
Cedric Diggory: a unicorn
Penelope Clearwater: a mermaid
Michael Corner: sasquatch
Filius Flitwick: a hummingbird
Regulus Black: a house-elf
Draco Malfoy: a serpent
Alastor Moody: a rino
Wilhelmina Grubbly-Plank: a nuffler
Sybill Trelawney: an owl
Mundungus Fletcher: a rat
Olympe Maxime: a winged horse
Ludo Bagman: a skunk
I like most of the above, especially Bagman a skunk! :lol:
Cedric a unicorn is a great idea, though some people made him a golden eagle.
I also agree on a mermaid for Penelope.
I see Draco more as a white ferret than a snake. Voldemort is more likely to be a snake. Draco is not that bad.
Regulus? I'm not sure. I wouldn't say house-elf, but I can't decide what to make him.
I can't remember what Neville's Patronus was, but someone suggested a penguin (awkward but getting things done), which I thought was a good idea.
I suppose you say "veela" for Bill Weasley because of Fleur being part Veela? I don't see it that way. I'll have to think what Bill should be. What about Fleur? What would you have her be? A butterfly, maybe? Because she's beautiful and there's something light and airy about her, not because of flightiness. :cool:

I'm going off to dinner. Will come back if I get any bright ideas about Bill and Regulus' Patronuses. :)

i just rewatched OotP and Ginny's was a horse, and the people around me decided.. I hope as a joke because I love Ginny... That she's a horse because she's "ridden alot" which made me wonder.. Why is Ginny's a horse?
That was so not nice...didnt you hex them...i would have...I love Ginny...that is out of respect for a character...

a horse...she is a horse because i believe horses are strong and determined...and they like their freedom if they are like mustangs born on the free...thats why think hers is a horse...

What I'm wondering is which set of animal characteristics is used to determine a persons animagus form. Is it the animals actual characteristics or the characteristics that people have assigned to a particular animal?

For example Harry's stag, Real deer tend to be shy and rather flighty, fleeing at the first hint of danger. Where as people have used the image of the stag as being noble and loyal, the prince of the forest.

What I'm wondering is which set of animal characteristics is used to determine a persons animagus form. Is it the animals actual characteristics or the characteristics that people have assigned to a particular animal?

For example Harry's stag, Real deer tend to be shy and rather flighty, fleeing at the first hint of danger. Where as people have used the image of the stag as being noble and loyal, the prince of the forest.
Well only Jk knows that...some people here have hinted that its like a protector ,the animal that is your protector...i suppose like a totem...wish we could ask JK...

I like the idea of the stag being the price of the Forest like in Bambi,i can see the relation with Harry and James in being fast ,like the stag is vey fast when he runs...and that the deer have a great nose for smelling danger...like James and Harry?

What about Sirius'? Is his patronus a dog or could it possibly be something else.
It was my impression that for Animagi, their Patronus is the animal whose form they take when the Transform. Ergo, James a stag, Pettigrew a rat, Sirius a dog. Remus isn't an Animagus, he's a werewolf - and yet Tonks becomes a wolf when she falls for him.

I'd like to see Rita Skeeter sending a beetle Patronus! :lol: But then I'm not sure Rita is a good enough witch to produce a Patronus.

What I'm wondering is which set of animal characteristics is used to determine a persons animagus form. Is it the animals actual characteristics or the characteristics that people have assigned to a particular animal?

For example Harry's stag, Real deer tend to be shy and rather flighty, fleeing at the first hint of danger. Where as people have used the image of the stag as being noble and loyal, the prince of the forest.
Aaah, the Bambi legacy! ;)

You are right though. I second the question someone asked before - how are Patronuses (Patroni?) determined, and who does the determination?

Ditto for Animagi. MoonStarRaven, did you mean Patronus or Animagus? Because Harry's not an Animagus, but he can produce a Patronus. Actually, is there anyone in Harry's generation who's actually an Animagus? I can't think of anyone. But most if not all of them can produce a Patronus.

I can also see why Cho's is a swan; I'm having a bit more trouble with Hermione's as an otter, but I can go along with that. But what resemblance do stags have with the Potters, father and son? Or a phoenix with Dumbledore? Why is Ron a terrier? :hmm:
I found this bit of information:
Known Patronuses

Witch/Wizard Patronal Form Notes

Harry Potter: Stag; Harry's Patronus is in the shape of his father's Animagus form.

Hermione Granger: Otter; JK Rowling has said that the otter is her favourite animal.

Ron Weasley: Jack Russell Terrier; JK Rowling owns one.

Cho Chang: Swan; Probably reminiscent of her grace and beauty.

Albus Dumbledore: Phoenix; His pet is a phoenix.

Nymphadora Tonks: Werewolf/Wolf; The form of Nymphadora's Patronus changed in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince to its current form. This is believed to be due to her developing a romantic attachement to the werewolf Remus Lupin. It is unknown what her Patronus was prior to this.
These are just relationships that the Patronus may have to their caster. :) But I believe a Patronus also has a relationship to the character of the caster as well.

I think Ron has a terrier because he can be playful and fun, but he also can be agitated and hard to get along with at times, as well.

Hermione may have an otter because they are very clever, wrapping themselves in kelp so that they won't float out to sea while they sleep and cracking shells open with rocks.

As for stags, I think of them as being noble creatures, and Harry and James were both very noble, sacrificing themselves for those they loved.

Dumbledore's is harder...but I think he has a phoenix because they are very loyal, as DD is to Hogwarts. But that's really the only connection I can make. :shrug:

I don't remember off-hand what Kingsley's or Arthur Weasley's Patronuses were, but I don't think the links with characteristics of either were apparent either. Ditto Luna's, Neville's and whoever else came to Harry's rescue against the Dementors in DH. My short-term memory is really terrible, I've read DH twice or three times, and I still can't remember those! :blush:
Kingsley's is a lynx. :) I relate this to him because lynxes hunt, and as Montse said earlier, Kingsley hunts Death Eaters. ;) Lynxes however, don't simply chase down their prey; they stalk, ambush, and pounce. Kingsley also lays traps for the DEs.

I also found this:
The Lynx is an elusive, ghost-like animal that sees without being seen. Often called "the keeper of secrets of the forest", its magical appearance stems from the mystery that such a creature's secrecy can also be its strength. The Lynx teaches us that even the smallest can succeed in life, and that the world can unfold itself to those who stop and listen.

The lynx is not a guardian of secrets so much as the one who knows them, especially when it comes to those secrets that are either obscured by time and space or are completely lost to the world. The lynx is therefore associated with divination and clairvoyance. Those who seek the lynx may find difficulty in getting it to cooperate. Just because the lynx knows secrets does not mean it wishes to share them. Only by respecting the lynx's behavior and listening carefully may one begin to receive an answer.

This power and ability to remain unseen attracted ancient warriors to adopt the lynx and, thus, they believed, its nature. Cunning, solitary hunters, lynx have large eyes and a keen sense of hearing which enables them to hunt at night.

Those who have been touched by the lynx's presence may be given a boon and bane. A lynx may guide the listener to a secret, whether it be a lost object or a hidden truth that is somehow relevant at the present time. On the other hand, the lynx may be an omen to warn those who have somehow betrayed the confidentiality of oneself or others.
I can find a couple relations to Kingsley in that, as well. Very stealthy, secretive, a "gaurdian of secrets." We know that Kingsley is good at keeping secrets for the OotP, and he was also in charge of the hunt for Sirius and fed the Ministry false informational about his location Sirius' location. And in DH when they moved Harry with the seven Potters plan, he kept that secret too.

The excerpt also said that the lynx was a cunning, solitary hunter...sound like someone you know? ;)

At first I though Mr. Weasley's weasel related only to his name. :D But weasels are a symbol of dishonesty...and Montse pointed out that Mr. Weasley wasn't always honest with his wife....:lol:

Sorry about the lengthy post. :D

What I'm wondering is which set of animal characteristics is used to determine a persons animagus form. Is it the animals actual characteristics or the characteristics that people have assigned to a particular animal?

For example Harry's stag, Real deer tend to be shy and rather flighty, fleeing at the first hint of danger. Where as people have used the image of the stag as being noble and loyal, the prince of the forest.


Aaah, the Bambi legacy! ;)

You are right though. I second the question someone asked before - how are Patronuses (Patroni?) determined, and who does the determination?

Ditto for Animagi. MoonStarRaven, did you mean Patronus or Animagus? Because Harry's not an Animagus, but he can produce a Patronus. Actually, is there anyone in Harry's generation who's actually an Animagus? I can't think of anyone. But most if not all of them can produce a Patronus.

Yeah I meant Patronus, so much for my proofreading skills :rolleyes: Lets see if I can give a better example of what I meant,

For example owls: Owls are in reality not very bright birds and yet they have always been used as a symbol of wisdom. So if someone has an owl patronus are they not very smart like real owls or are they very wise like the owls popular image. Hopefully that makes more sense.

Do the patronuses stick to normal animals or can you have patronuses in the form of magical creatures or bugs too. The same with animagi because the only recorded animagi are bugs and normal animals no magical creatures.

Surely Snapes should have been a stag, because its abit weird to have a man casting a female patronus.

Well, it was a doe, the female deer, by canon. I never understood why it was that way because JKR said that Lily and James' matching Patronuses are not coincidental. James had a stag as a Patronus and Lily was the love of his life. I think Snape most likely had the doe as a Patronus because it was unrequited love, thus his Patronus was the same form of Lily's instead of being a Patronus that matches hers. It's not supported that well by canon, but it's the best explanation I can think of. :)

Well, it was a doe, the female deer, by canon. I never understood why it was that way because JKR said that Lily and James' matching Patronuses are not coincidental. James had a stag as a Patronus and Lily was the love of his life. I think Snape most likely had the doe as a Patronus because it was unrequited love, thus his Patronus was the same form of Lily's instead of being a Patronus that matches hers. It's not supported that well by canon, but it's the best explanation I can think of. :)

I agree with your theory about Snape's patronus, it's what I thought after I read DH.

Do we have anything in canon to support this or other theories re his doe patronus? I'm not aware of any.

Yeh okay I suppose but then again if it was male then it would be stag and it would be abit weird with Snape having a stag and James, two mortal enemies from two enemy houses.

Yeh okay I suppose but then again if it was male then it would be stag and it would be abit weird with Snape having a stag and James, two mortal enemies from two enemy houses.
You beat me to it, BranstoneBoy. That's what I was going to say, it's just inconceivable that Snape would have the same Patronus as James'.

He hated James, never forgave him, and transferred part of that hate and resentment onto Harry. He never was very objective where Harry was concerned (see his conversation with Dumbledore about Harry as a student in TPT), even his love for Lily never let him open his mind, let alone his heart, to her son, because Harry was also James' son.

I can see why his Patronus is a doe. It could never have been a stag. That, of course, is only my opinion. :)

Do the patronuses stick to normal animals or can you have patronuses in the form of magical creatures or bugs too. The same with animagi because the only recorded animagi are bugs and normal animals no magical creatures.
Dumbledore's patronus was a phoenix, so yes, patronuses can be magical animals. :)

... it's just inconceivable that Snape would have the same Patronus as James'.

He hated James, never forgave him, and transferred part of that hate and resentment onto Harry. He never was very objective where Harry was concerned (see his conversation with Dumbledore about Harry as a student in TPT), even his love for Lily never let him open his mind, let alone his heart, to her son, because Harry was also James' son.

I can see why his Patronus is a doe. It could never have been a stag. That, of course, is only my opinion. :)
I share that opinion. Snape and James Potter having the same Patronus? Unthinkable! :no:

I wonder what Snape's patronus was before he fell in love with Lily and, more important, before she fell in love with James? For that matter, what was Lily's Patronus animal before she fell for James? Was Snape's patronus already the same as hers, and did it change when Lily's changed? Any idea? :hmm:

By the time she could probably learn how to make a patronus Lily had most likely come to like or even love James so the doe was most likely her one and only type of patronus. Now I do wonder about Snape and wonder how he found out her patronus was a doe in the first place as I don't think they would have been friends at that stage when she first learn how to make one I don't think you learn how to make a patronus until at least 5th year at Hogwarts - or even 6th year. Harry was very young to have mastered it in 3rd year and they weren't taught in 4th year.

By the time she could probably learn how to make a patronus Lily had most likely come to like or even love James so the doe was most likely her one and only type of patronus. Now I do wonder about Snape and wonder how he found out her patronus was a doe in the first place as I don't think they would have been friends at that stage when she first learn how to make one I don't think you learn how to make a patronus until at least 5th year at Hogwarts - or even 6th year. Harry was very young to have mastered it in 3rd year and they weren't taught in 4th year.

Yes, that's a good question. :hmm: The patronus charm is such advanced magic...I don't even know if they would teach it in school...but if they did, perhaps Snape had some of the same classes as Lily and saw her patronus in class. :) Just a thought.

Lupin said when he was teaching Harry that the Patronus Charm was advanced magic, well above Ordinary Wizarding Level.

That's supported by the commentary at Harry's hearing before 5th year - Madam Bones and others were impressed that he could conjure a Patronus, especially a corporeal one. At the end of that year, when Harry was taking his O.W.L.s, the examiner offered him a bonus point if he could conjure a Patronus (he had heard about Harry from a friend on the court) - it wasn't a normal part of the O.W.L. exam.

In 6th year, wasn't there some scene where Snape (D.A.D.A. teacher that year) was criticizing their homework essays about repelling dementors?


I think I asked part of this before, but - can anyone point me to an interview where JKR confirms Harry's supposition that Lily's Patronus was a doe (or that James' Patronus was a stag)?

the patronuses stick to normal animals or can you have patronuses in the form of magical creatures or bugs too. The same with animagi because the only recorded animagi are bugs and normal animals no magical creatures.
As far as I know ,DD was a phoenix...thats a magical creature..isnt it...so i suppose they can be both...

Oh yes I forgot about joint patronus classes - that's probably the most likely explanation but if so I can't imagine Snape having a doe for his patronus then as Lily would know and he'd be mercilessly teased by just about everyone else. So I wonder what Snape's first patronus would have been? A bat perhaps or a Spider for his Spinners End home - though I doubt whether his home could inspire many happy memories.

I think I asked part of this before, but - can anyone point me to an interview where JKR confirms Harry's supposition that Lily's Patronus was a doe (or that James' Patronus was a stag)?
Here's a quote from Bloomsbury online chat, July 30, 2007:

Chely: James patronus is a stag and lilys a doe is that a coincidence?

J.K. Rowling: No, the Patronus often mutates to take the image of the love of one's life (because they so often become the 'happy thought' that generates a Patronus).


Harry first realizes Lily's patronus was a doe when he saw Snape's memories in DH. I don't know if we're ever specifically told that James' patronus was a stag in the books, only that it was his animagus form.

I think I asked part of this before, but - can anyone point me to an interview where JKR confirms Harry's supposition that Lily's Patronus was a doe (or that James' Patronus was a stag)?
I don't know about Lily's Patronus, but I seem to remember several people (certainly Sirius, and I think also Remus or Moody, possibly Dumbledore) told Harry that his father's Patronus was a stag too. Besides, Jame's Animagus form was a stag - "Prongs" - and I think it has been established that someone's Patronus has the same form as the animal one transforms into, whether one is an Animagus or a werewolf. At least I don't remember any case where someone's Animagus form is not also his or her Patronus' form.

ETA: Come to think of it, it was probably Moody. I'd have to look it up, but when Harry finally conjures a Patronus, his teacher, the fake Moody, said "Ah yes, James' Patronus was a stag too" (or words to that effect) - Now how would Barty Crouch the Younger know that is another matter.

I think your patronus came within you. It doesn't really need to be the same sex, or whatever. It's more like, the qualities of the animals that reflect your own. And I see why they-the DE's-can't produce Patronuses. The Patronuses are like the natural enemies of the Dementors, and the DE's are like allies with the Dementors. Especially Voldie...

If the Dementors are kind of like devils, because like devils, they want to own your soul. so do you think that Patronuses are more than a shield? Could they be like, the magical and animal form of one's guardian angels or something? Because you have to think of something happy and good to produce a Patronus and stuff...

I think your patronus came within you. It doesn't really need to be the same sex, or whatever. It's more like, the qualities of the animals that reflect your own. And I see why they-the DE's-can't produce Patronuses. The Patronuses are like the natural enemies of the Dementors, and the DE's are like allies with the Dementors. Especially Voldie...

If the Dementors are kind of like devils, because like devils, they want to own your soul. so do you think that Patronuses are more than a shield? Could they be like, the magical and animal form of one's guardian angels or something? Because you have to think of something happy and good to produce a Patronus and stuff...
That's a good theroy. I've never thought about it that way either. They could be a wizard or witches magical guardian angels.

My questions to you are:

1) Do you agree or disagree with Hermione's patronus, the otter? Why?


I thought Otter was a good choice. As for why did JKR pick otter as Hermione's patronus, I think it was because not only is otter her favorite animal, but otter is also a member of the weasel family, signifying Hermione's connection to Ron and the rest of the Weasleys. Also, the Burrow is located near Otter River, outside the village Ottery St Catchpole.

My patronus when I took the test was a griffin. In the Order of the Phoenix I loved it when Seamus was trying to do a patronus and said 'Look Harry! Ah...you missed it but it was definately something hairy!' Perhaps he had a sloth for a patronus?:lol:
Mrs Weasley. Hmm... call this far-fetched but I just had the image of a panda. I better stop now before i do myself an injury.
A panda...:lol:

That's a good theory. I've never thought about it that way either. They could be a wizard or witches magical guardian angels.
Hmmm... I don't know too much about guardian angels, but aren't they supposed to be there all the time watching over you? You're not supposed to conjure them up like you conjure a patronus, do you? :hmm:

Besides, not all witches and wizards are Christians - I'm not sure there are guardian angels in other religions, though a lot of them have some sort of protector spirits. But those aren't conjured up either.

My patronus when I took the test was a griffin.
What test is this, goldensphinx? Just curious. :) - and isn't the magical bird a "gryphon"? (with apologies to Gryffindor in HP and to Merv Griffin in RL) ;)

With your username, I'd have seen you as a sphinx. That would be so exotic and so cool! :)

What test is this, goldensphinx? Just curious
curious too.but had been too shy to ask...

I don't know about Lily's Patronus, but I seem to remember several people (certainly Sirius, and I think also Remus or Moody, possibly Dumbledore) told Harry that his father's Patronus was a stag too. Besides, Jame's Animagus form was a stag - "Prongs" - and I think it has been established that someone's Patronus has the same form as the animal one transforms into, whether one is an Animagus or a werewolf. At least I don't remember any case where someone's Animagus form is not also his or her Patronus' form.

ETA: Come to think of it, it was probably Moody. I'd have to look it up, but when Harry finally conjures a Patronus, his teacher, the fake Moody, said "Ah yes, James' Patronus was a stag too" (or words to that effect) - Now how would Barty Crouch the Younger know that is another matter.

They never actually mentioned Jame's patronus, Remus told him that he father was indeed a stag when an Animagus and Dumbledore confirmed that it was his father within him but no one actually ever mentioned his father's patronus form. In OoTP he's asked the form by Remus to prove who he is.

I don't actually think Snape knew, it's just within him, his love for her. I think it might have been Dumbledore who actually told him that it matched hers. It makes sense because he had no contact with her after they graduated and since Lily and James started dating in seventh year it's doubtful that her patronus would've been what it was when they were still in school for Snape to see in class, there's a chance but I think it happened afterwards.

Yes I wonder about Barty crouch knowing unless somehow his father knew and told him....

I just had to share something my niece said today. We were talking about Harry potter and the subject of patronuses came up. She said if she had a patronus it would be a jackalope. And the thought occurred to me that that would be perfect patonus for Fred and George as well. :lol:

Yes I wonder about Barty crouch knowing unless somehow his father knew and told him....

Or it could just have been mentioned in what ever student report Lupin left behind for the next teacher?

What on earth is a jackalope? Pardon my ignorance.

What on earth is a jackalope? Pardon my ignorance.

A cross between a jack rabbit and an antelope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackalope

Not to be confused, of course, with a basselope. ;)

Well now - what on earth is a basselope???????

Well now - what on earth is a basselope???????

Nothing to do with HP. I was just reminded after looking up 'jackalope'. :p

A basselope is a 'cross' between a basset hound and a antelope.

Berkeley Breathed, the creator of the comic strips Bloom County and Outland (remember Opus the Penguin?) created a minor character: Rosebud, who was a basselope. Rosebud was mostly a peaceful, put-upon. butt of indignity, character of convenience in the social and political commentary of the strip. Think of Eeyore in Disney's Winnie the Pooh for a little bit of the long-suffering characterization.

Here's a link to the one image I could find with a quick search. I believe this had something to do with commentary on the high price and questionable reliability of advanced strategic weapons systems during the Cold War.

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/1367034358071518264xLzrDD

None of that reminds me of the Weasley twins in the least as I fail to connect with that at all. However other things may... So what do YOU think Lupin's patronus is and WHY?

I just searched Remus Lupin's patronus online and it came up with the Leaky Lounge website and someone on there said that an owl would be the best patronus for Remus someone else also said that it could also be a wolf. I couldn't find why they thought it could be an owl though.

Well if the owl was portrayed as a wise old bird - OK - but if as a rather ignorant bird - as it really is supposed to be- then for Lupin's sake I hope it's the former.

Owls are almost always considered as wise birds, not for nothing did Athena as goddess of wisdom have an owl as symbol. It suits him in a way.

I think that his patrounus was deffinitly an owl a wolf would not suit him because he absolutly hated the fact that he was a warewolf.

The owl idea is good, but it just doesn't seem to fit Lupin somehow. :shrug: Yes, he's wise, but that's not what really stands out to me about him. When I think of Lupin, I think of how considerate and caring he is. He is always concerned about others, even when he himself is having problems.

I know there are already a million dog patronuses, but I really can't think of anything else for Lupin...he just seems like the gentle, quiet kind of dog that is very loyal to its owner and tries to take care of him the best it can. :)

Any other ideas...?

I searched it some more and it came up with a dove, a lion, a doe(in favor of lily for some reason), and a unicorn. Do any of you think that any of these four animals could be a good patronus for Remus?

I searched it some more and it came up with a dove, a lion, a doe(in favor of lily for some reason), and a unicorn. Do any of you think that any of these four animals could be a good patronus for Remus?

I don't know who was saying that they took those tests for Lupin, but I don't see a dove, doe, or unicorn fitting him at all. A dove symoblizes peace, Lupin is a werewolf. From what we see of unicorns in HP, they seem to be peaceful, innocent creatures as well. I just don't see Lupin like that. As for the doe, I can't find any real connection with him. He was never secretly in love with Lily or anything. A lion is very possible though, because although Lupin seemed a coward at first in DH he was still an immensely brave person who just had a weak moment. He is also a true Gryffindor. That's a real possibility. :tu:

I agree a lion is fitting for Remus and is the best choice out of all of the other ones, but I can just imagine an owl comming out Remus' wand for some reason.

Wouldnt he be a wolf?
I know he hates it and all,but i dont thinkyou get to choose the patronus...so the wolf would reflect the essence in him...

I don't know who was saying that they took those tests for Lupin, but I don't see a dove, doe, or unicorn fitting him at all. A dove symoblizes peace, Lupin is a werewolf. From what we see of unicorns in HP, they seem to be peaceful, innocent creatures as well. I just don't see Lupin like that.
Yes, Lupin was a werewolf, but he still wanted peace. He took that potion so that he wouldn't have to unconsciously harm someone while in werewolf form. And he certainly wanted LV to be defeated so there coud be peace. But I do agree with you. :) Unicorns and doves represent peace, and, as a werewolf, I don't think Lupin was ever at peace with himself. He always felt guilty about it even if it wasn't his fault.

A lion is very possible though, because although Lupin seemed a coward at first in DH he was still an immensely brave person who just had a weak moment. He is also a true Gryffindor. That's a real possibility. :tu:
I can see your reasoning, but I don't see Lupin as a lion. Lions are symbols of courage, and you're right; Lupin was very brave. But I also think that lions are a symbol of boldness, and Lupin always came across as a soft-spoken person to me. :) A lion just doesn't seem to match Lupin's character IMO.

Wouldnt he be a wolf?
I know he hates it and all,but i dont thinkyou get to choose the patronus...so the wolf would reflect the essence in him...
That's what I had originally thought, too. But now I find that a wolf is contradictory to Lupin's personality. He was a werewolf, but IMO he didn't possess any traits to a werewolf character-wise. Lupin was very gentle and considerate of others. Wolves are ferocious and aggressive. I just don't think a wolf would fit him. :shrug:

about Lupin...
How about a tiger...a tiger is very solitary in his habits...i do see Lupin as a solitary man.due to his furry little problem...

I just had to share something my niece said today. We were talking about Harry potter and the subject of patronuses came up. She said if she had a patronus it would be a jackalope. And the thought occurred to me that that would be perfect patonus for Fred and George as well.

None of that reminds me of the Weasley twins in the least as I fail to connect with that at all. However other things may... So what do YOU think Lupin's patronus is and WHY?

Well some of the things about the Jackalope that reminded me of Fred and George are the statements like these: (quoted from Wikipedia)
It has also been said that the jackalope can convincingly imitate any sound, including the human voice. It uses this ability to elude pursuers, chiefly by using phrases such as "There he goes! That way!". (I can totally see them doing something like that!) In the American West, mounted heads and postcards of jackalopes are a popular item in some novelty stores. Jackalope legends are sometimes used by locals to play tricks on tourists.

Of course the jackalope that used to appear on old episodes of America's funniest home videos might also have influenced how I think about them, As fun loving little pranksters.

Oh and I think Lupins patronus would be a lamb, you always here the saying "a wolf in sheep's clothing" well I think Lupin is a lamb in Wolf's (werewolf) clothing. He always struck me as a kind, caring, rather gentle and maybe a little shy at least when he was younger. Kind of like two sides of a coin, the werewolf side being wild and dangerous the other gentle and calm.

Yes, Lupin was a werewolf, but he still wanted peace. He took that potion so that he wouldn't have to unconsciously harm someone while in werewolf form. And he certainly wanted LV to be defeated so there coud be peace. But I do agree with you. :) Unicorns and doves represent peace, and, as a werewolf, I don't think Lupin was ever at peace with himself. He always felt guilty about it even if it wasn't his fault.
Lupin did want peace, but he still fought. I see doves more as symbolizing the Gandhi-type peace- completely devoid of violence. Lupin fought, and he died in battle, so I think a dove wouldn't work. :)

Thinking about Fred & George...

I'm sure that before Fred's death, they each had unique yet complementary Patronuses. Since Fred's death, I expect George's patronus might have changed. Changed to something more singular, I'm sure, yet with something humourous about it. A duck-billed platypus, perhaps

Lupin did want peace, but he still fought. I see doves more as symbolizing the Gandhi-type peace- completely devoid of violence. Lupin fought, and he died in battle, so I think a dove wouldn't work. :)

Well, Lupin loved Tonks, metamorphmagus -- how about a chameleon for his patronus? Too bad Ron wasn't more observant in PoA -- he tells Harry that a silvery thing shot out of Lupin's wand, which went at the dementor and drove it away. Recognizing patronuses in the field was never Ron's strong suit, as we saw in DH!:shrug:

But wasn't Ron too close to see it properly? Anyway Ron was most likely not too clued up on patronuses at that stage and neither were Harry or Hermione.

Lupin's patronus could possibly have changed after he fell in love with Tonks - her's did when she fell in love with Lupin. So he could have ended up with a chameleon but started out with something else I suppose. Dove's might be a symbol of peace but are in fact a species of pigeon and can be quite vicious fighters apparently. Anyway perhaps Lupin saw or read the Wizard of Oz and liked the cowardly lion from that Haha!

Maybe if he had a dog it could be a collie dog? I really can't think what his might have been at all.

Harry-Stag
Hermione's-Otter
Ronald-Terrier dog
Lily- Doe
Snape-Doe
Kingsley-Lynx
Mr.Weasley-Weasel
Luna-Hare
Ernie-Boar
Seamus-Fox
Cho-swan