Book SIX: Who will die?

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Morgoth
June 22nd, 2003, 10:54 pm
Well, it's a fair bet that we can rule Sirius out of the equation, but will JK tempt fate and kill another character off in book six? I have a feeling more than one established character will die and what we have seen from Sirius's death is just the beginning.

Please do not argue with other members and their ideas... You will be warned or this thread will be closed.

Weatherby
June 23rd, 2003, 12:11 pm
I think we'll lose some of the Ootp including some of Harry's friends. Mad Eye Moody showed Harry that picture for a reason and I don't think it was to cheer him up.
I guessed Arthur would be attacked. I'm glad he didn't die.

ultimate sacrifice
June 23rd, 2003, 12:42 pm
Well...I fear that all of the marauders will be gone by the end of book 7 and a new group of maraders will be established. The fact that Lupin is a werewolf and Wormtail has a silver hand could possibly forshadow something to come. Of course, JKR seems to have left the door open for a possible Harry death as well with the ending of OoTP. (I think that was in the BBC interview also ???) Since she has did show any mercy on Harry and killed off Sirius, (a person Harry he loves/feels he needs most) I fear for Ron and Hermione and of course, Hagrid and any one or more of the Weasley's and Lupin. I'm not sure about Neville??? Is there going to be a twist in the plot and he will be the one that the "prophecy" is referring to???

I left this book MORE frustrated and confused!!!

tabby
June 23rd, 2003, 12:44 pm
I want Lucius to die and give Harry a real enemy in Draco. At the moment Draco is just a bully. I want him to be evil and really cause trouble for Harry. Lucius dying with Draco blaming Harry would be a good step towards that. We're already on our way there with Lucius being in prison (though he will break out) at least partly because of Harrys actions.

dumbleedore
June 23rd, 2003, 1:49 pm
Hagrid! I love him but I hate him and as much as i don't want to say this, I was hoping he'd die in OotP! *hides head in shame*.

I think that Remus will last. He's the last of the Maruders (cept for Petey boy but he's a :censored:).

teacup
June 23rd, 2003, 2:23 pm
IMO none of the big three will die. Just a hunch, I can't see JK ending it like that.

I can see Neville easily being killed, but only after he has helped everyone immensely. Lupin will kark it, as will at least one Weasley.

The big one will be Dumbledore. He is a dead man walking, as far as I see it. He even said that if Voldemort returned to full power he wouldn't be able to stop him.

At the end of book seven, Dumbledore will die, just as Harry is to try and defeat him.

JustRelax!
June 23rd, 2003, 2:26 pm
Well...I've always personally hoped for a death free book 6. I just think that we had a death at the end of book 4, and at the end of book 5, it would be nice to have a difference in book 6, however i would then expect there to be MANY deaths in book 7.

Mad-I Moody
June 23rd, 2003, 2:53 pm
I think Dumbledore is going to die for sure. I also think one of the Weasleys, but I certainly hope Ron, Hermione, and Harry survive book seven.

I wonder if McGonagall might die? It was interesting to see Hogwarts without her, albeit briefly.

I also truly hope Lupin doens't snuff it, especially if Dumbledore does. Harry would have practically no one left as a parental figure, unless you count the Weasleys, and they have lots of other kids to take care of.

Kosmic
June 23rd, 2003, 3:04 pm
Lupin has got to stay because he's Harrys last link to his parents and it would be too much like Sirius dying but maybe not quite as emotinal for Harry

FlyingPhoenix
June 23rd, 2003, 3:11 pm
This time I think it will be a weasley. I´m not sure if its Mrs. Weasley or one off the kids but I´m nearlly sure its possible and I think Dumbledore. Did I say that? Yeah right Dumbledore he did explain Harry some points and Its possible that now the generation or better the power will go to Harry. Lupin I don´t think so simple because he is the last marauder. But by Ginny is a possible a very high one. After Sirius we can give that argument away to say that Ginny was already near the death thats not the point there.

Sevein
June 23rd, 2003, 3:55 pm
Well.....

My two cents..... I think DD will die... as a sign of an era that's ending... McConaggall will live to be the next headmistress...

As for Lupin.... he will survive too... I think Percy Weasly will die while saving his father's life...

I also think that some students will die, one of the three included..

Greetz

silveria
June 23rd, 2003, 3:59 pm
Well, if nothing else, this book has proven to me what an expert JKR is at the art of foreshadowing. We had had things pop up in this book that were not mentioned for quite some time. I was devastated with Sirius' death, but I believe that the manner in which it happened and the questions it left will be extremely important to the remainder of the series. That said, there are many things in this book that lend themselves to be considered as foreshadowing. For example, Mrs. Weasley's encounter with the boggart and the depiction of what she fears. I definitely agree that a Weasley will bite it in the next book, and hopefully it will be Percy. Not to sound cold-hearted, but he was so out of line. Unfortunately, I do believe that it will be Mrs. Weasley herself (it's irony: her worst fear is losing one of her family, meaning that she would sacrifice herself to prevent it...maybe?)

Some people have said that they hope there will be no more deaths in book 6. I hate to say it, but they're coming. OotP ended with the chapter The Second War Begins. War means death, and I expect that the next book will have a few more casualties. Who? The Lupin/Wormtail thing is hard to ignore. I don't see Dumbledore going, but McGonagall seems to be getting there...they mention in OotP continuously about her age making her vulnerable. Hagrid? Probably not. He seems to be an enduring character, although he does seem to get himself into things... Neville? I'm not sure about that one. I figured that Neville would become very important before reading OotP, but I had no idea how important. I believe that he will at least be around for the final showdown with good ol' Voldy. Ok, so that's my opinion if anyone is still reading... :)

dog star
June 23rd, 2003, 4:05 pm
When I first heard there was to be a death in book five, I formed a theory that there would be one major character death per book from here on out, and the people to die would be Hagrid, Dumbledore, and Snape, in that order, one per book. (So, yes that puts DD in book 6.) This was the only one of my theories to get shot down by OotP. However, I do think it can be modified...though I am starting to have my doubts about whether or not Snape will really snuff it.

At first, I saw Dumbledore dying in book six, and Snape having to step up and help Harry figure things out, then in the end, sacrificing himself so Voldemort could be defeated. But, now with this prophecy that only ONE can survive...Voldemort or Harry...it doesn't really put ANYONE in a position to be sacrificing themselves for the defeat, other than Voldemort himself.

Furthermore, Snape's character is changing drastically. Something small I noticed toward the end of OotP... Remember how Snape's speech is always colored with SOMETHING...be it venom or nastiness or rage or whatever...at the end there were no adverbs, no qualifiers. He was just speaking, and seemingly calmly. What's up with that? If he is softening, which I think he is, I'd sure hate to see him kick it before at least some of this mess gets resolved. And somewhere in the back of my mind, I'd like to see him become Harry's father figure.

Will Snape snuff it? Is he changing for the better? Why? Where do you see him in the future?

Sevein
June 23rd, 2003, 4:14 pm
Snape will not die..... as I already explained earlier in another topic (seems already in another lifetime... ;)
My opinion is that JKR sets an example with Snape.. He has to be the living example that it will pay to turn from evil to good...
And there has to be some kind of reconciliation between Harry and Snape.....

Well that's my two cents....

DumbledoreArmy
June 23rd, 2003, 5:22 pm
Honestly. I think it is hard to say, the death is book5 caught me in shock and surprise. I think really anyone is open. I am sure though, more then one person is going to die. I hope it isn't Lupin, Dumbledore, Harry, Ron, or Hermionee, though one of them is likely to die. As for Neville, I don't think he will die, perhaps he will because he more then likely deathly afraid of Voldemort, or perhahps he will be driven to insanity, or triumph over evil. Honestly I am not sure, that is a mystery, a big mystery in my eyes.

Fleur
June 23rd, 2003, 5:42 pm
I think that some of the Order will die, and Harry will risk his life to kill Bellatrix. His hatred of her will just grow over the summer, and I believe that book six will be devoted not so much to killing Voldemort, but to killing Bellatrix and other major Death Eaters (except Lucius, I have a feeling he will survive all seven).

Faye
June 23rd, 2003, 6:43 pm
Something tells me that the trio won't remain intact through all of the books. Look at Hermione-- a muggle born, a member of the group that Voldemort hates the most. And then there's Ron. His father isn't exactly respected in the pureblood circles, and Lucius has a bone to pick with him ever since the fight in the bookshop in CoS... perhaps that anger will be taken out on his only son still going to Hogwarts?

Dumbledore may die, most likely in battle with Voldemort or in an attempt to save Harry or his friends. Hagrid seems to obvious to die, so I don't think he will.

Jerkwater
June 23rd, 2003, 6:49 pm
I don't think that anyone who has been a main character since the first book is going to die. I'm pretty sure Luna Lovegood is toast, though. The foreshadowing of her seeing her mum again was just too much. Plus, from the deaths we have seen so far, JKR likes to introduce us to a character in one book, build up that character in the next book before killing them off at the end. That's what happened with Cedric, and that's pretty much what happened with Sirius.

You can claim that Sirius was introduced in the first book, but I don't think so. I really don't think JKR knew she would be developing that character when she wrote that name in PS. And, yes, he was formally introduced in PoA, but we didn't meet the REAL Sirius until the end, and we didn't have much of a relationship until GoF

Aldawen
June 23rd, 2003, 6:57 pm
I am so afraid she will kill Lupin to make a clean job of it. I definitely think Pettigrew will die, but probably not in the sixth book.

I think Snape will definitely die in book six. I think he will redeem himself to Harry somehow, possibly even give up his life for Harry, and he will be killed. J.K.R. seems to teach us a lot about a character before she finishes them, and we've already started to learn a lot more about Snape.

I was convinced Hagrid would die in book five, and I still think he won't make it to the end of the series. It's just a funny feeling I have.

Inkwolf
June 23rd, 2003, 7:41 pm
Is JKR fattening Ron up for the kill? He seems to be working his way toward everything he wanted this year....in the mirror he saw himself as Head Boy and captain of the Quidditch team...now he's on the team and a Prefect....

And now that Snape has had his vindication, maybe JKR will dispose of him....

Kendra
June 23rd, 2003, 8:01 pm
She's killed Sirius, she CAN'T KILL SNAPE! Him and Lupin are all I have left, and Dumbledore, though I think he will die. Just imagine the portrait of dumbledore being put up the the headmasters office to aid the next headmaster/headmistress of Hogwarts. Sad, but Comfort that he will be there to give advise.

Shame Sirius never had a portrait done....

And yes, Ron is getting all he wants. And the weasel comments are coming up waaaaay too often for my liking.

dog star
June 23rd, 2003, 8:24 pm
I don't know, that just seems too simple to me, for him to be the example of the benefits of turning from evil to good. I do agree that there has to be some sort of reconciliation, but I think it will come shortly before Snape's death, which will be far more noble than Sirius' was, in my mind.

Hula
June 23rd, 2003, 8:27 pm
The one person I don't think will die is Harry. unless there's some loophole in the prophecy, either him or Voldemort will snuff it, and I think it will be very disappointing and unsatisfying if Voldemort lives.

Dumbledore might die, but not until the 7th book, methinks. It will mark the end of an era.

I doubt the trio will remain intact, so I think Ron will die. Hermione I think is too strong a character.

There are too many Weasleys at the moment, so at least one of them will die. I've already said Ron - maybe Mrs. Weasley will die, or Arthur. Possibly Bill or Charlie will die in battle like Sirius. I think Ginny will survive as we need more strong female characters.

doctor23
June 23rd, 2003, 8:42 pm
I don't see Snape dying or becoming close to Harry. They may be able to work together grudingly but they will neve be close

Sevein
June 23rd, 2003, 8:43 pm
Originally posted by dog star (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=389578#post389578))
I don't know, that just seems too simple to me, for him to be the example of the benefits of turning from evil to good.

Sometimes simple is beauty...
Anyway at this moment I just can't cope with the idea the old Snap'ster will die... Right from the beginning (even before I knew AR would play Snape in the movies) he's one of my most favourite characters... I do agree with you that if he must die he will die a very noble dead.. then again to work things out with Harry will take much longer than the books will allow in time.. .

;)

Jedi Potter
June 23rd, 2003, 9:04 pm
I think Dumbledore will die at the end of Book 6 it will signial new era for book 7, I think some of the OOTP will die maybe Moody and several others, I think Lupin and Snape and probably Hagrid will make it to book 7. As for the trio they will make it to 7, IMO. I think a weasley will die, right now I will bet on Mrs. Weasley. Man I am worried how many deaths we will have. I have a feeling now that the wizarding world knows that Voldemort is back that he won't hold back any punches plus he is very mad and I have a feeling will be seeking his revenge by going after the order. I also think Lucius will try to get some revenge too, he will either go after the Weasleys or Hermoine's parents not sure which yet.

Filius Flitwick
June 23rd, 2003, 10:18 pm
There is a bit of the love thing in here so bear with. I think that Ron and Hermione will start going out in the next book, but in the end Ron will die. The loss felt by both Harry and Hermione will push them closer together....but that's no longer dealing with this thread. So yeah, I think Ron will die at the end of the next book(with the likely suspect being Draco Malfoy).

Ron will not be the only character to die though. I'm betting that Grawp will die saving Hagrid...not really sure why though. I also have a sinking suspicion that Tonks will bite the big one saving Harry(possibly while disguised as a student at Hogwarts). I know there will be others...the second war has begun.

Jedi Potter
June 23rd, 2003, 10:40 pm
JKR has said in interviews that Ron, Harry and Hermoine all make it to Book 7 it is then that all bets are off.

Hotmama2
June 23rd, 2003, 11:21 pm
I think, that in book 6, that Uncle Vernon will die, and that that event will bring Harry & Petunia closer together....

Also, I think, I don't know why, that Lee Jordan - Gred & Forge's friend....will get it...

We shall wait (impatiently!) and see!

Elina Makropulos
June 23rd, 2003, 11:34 pm
It seems to me that the most likely to die in book 6 will be one of the Weasley parents, probably Molly. Arthur already had his run-in with Voldemort/Voldemort's cronies in book 5, so it's Molly's turn and I really can't see her coming out of it alive - the foreshadowing with the Boggart was just too much. If she does snuff it, it'll be while saving one of her children, or Harry. Then again, that would be a bit obvious.

So I think my *real* opinion is that, as far as deaths are concerned, all bets are off.

However, I think Dumbledore is safe until the end, McGonagall is safe and will become the headmistress after Dumbledore, Neville will become even more heroic, and I think that in the 7th, Ron's going to bite it. If he DID die, the romantic pairings could be Harry and Hermione, and Neville and Ginny. Although it seems far more likely that Ron and Hermione are a sure thing - notice they reminded Harry of Ron's parents. :grouphug:

sorry about this! </rambling>

dog star
June 24th, 2003, 12:06 am
Reconciling doesn't necessarily mean becoming the best of friends or even becoming close in any way. It just means coming to some sort of mutual understanding, even if it's grudging.

rotsiepots
June 24th, 2003, 12:36 am
A general death topic has already been started and is stuck to the top of this forum (for a shortcut, click here (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11219)).

I'll merge this into the existing thread. :)

jplanet1980
June 24th, 2003, 1:48 am
Ok, Harry is not going to die. The reason for this being is that JKR isn't one for ultimate tragedy. She peppers her books with death and difficulty, but there is always some sense of closure in her books. It would be an ultimate tragedy if she killed off her main character. Nah, that's not how she writes.
About the book six and seven deaths...I am not the only one who was surprised by Sirius's death in book five. That's the thing with JKR. She likes to surprise us...that lawsuit says that. Therefore, whoever will die, I'm guessing is someone we don't expect. Except I don't think Harry will die, for the reason stated above. After that, ANYONE is fair game.

7 on Heaven
June 24th, 2003, 2:13 am
I think Book 6's biggest surprise will be the destruction of Harry's Aunt's home, the Dursley's. This is to expose Harry and remove his "home", or at least that is what Voldemort will think. This will leave harry exposed and vunerable to death in book 7, unless you consider Hogwarts could become his new home!

FatalBeauty
June 24th, 2003, 2:32 am
I think it's pretty likely that Dumbledore will die in this book, although it makes me feel like crying just thinking about it. It's been said many times that Harry's safe as long as Dumbledore's around, everything's okay as long as Dumbledore's here, etc. and I think this is foreshadowing that at some point Dumbledore won't be there to make everything okay. I think he would die in the sixth, not the seventh, because there should be another year after he dies to show how much Hogwarts, or basically the entire wizarding world, falls apart without him.

I was surprised that only one person died in OotP, since 5 died in GoF. I think that the next two books will have more than just one death though, especially now that Voldemort's back in power. I'm not sure who would die in addition to Dumbledore, but I doubt it would be another big character, as Dumbledore's death would be absolutely horrible.

I also think it would be awesome if Harry and Neville teamed up to kill Bellatrix Lestrange, since she tortured Neville's parents and killed Sirius.

Aelurus13
June 24th, 2003, 2:44 am
I have a slight feeling that none of the top three will kick it. Except for possibly Harry. If Harry doesn't there isn't an ending in the world that we won't wonder about. Who can honestly say they want to hear about Harry getting married and having lots of little Harrys. It is too messy we would have questions, it is not likely that is how J.K. Rowling plans to finish the series.
Another curious little factor, from an interview, she said had finished the last chapter of the last book. Now she must link it all up! I wonder what some of us would do to get our hands on that chapter.
As for book 6 I think another member or two of the Order will drop. I hope Fudge will, the little :censored:.
I hope it is not Tonks though, she was very cool.

ChaliceInnana
June 24th, 2003, 3:08 am
Die, Percy!

Seriously, let him apologize to his parents and then redeem him by having him give up his life to save...well... as few as one and as many as 5 of his siblings.

Azurei Chan
June 24th, 2003, 4:23 am
I think that a Weasley will die at some point. Maybe Percy or Mr. Weasley since they are in the ministry.

Captian Bob
June 24th, 2003, 5:19 am
Remember what has been said about the previous reign of voldemort? Entire families would be killed. Wizzards/witches would be scared to come home and see the sign floating above their house, knowing what was inside. I think that since the last chapter in book 5 was titled "the second war" it must be just that: the start of the second war. After voldemort gets his followers in line, I think we can expect entire families of people (not necessarily main characters, but nonetheless) be killed by voldemort and his whores.

Jedi Potter
June 24th, 2003, 5:57 am
I think you are on to something I think Voldy is going to be very angry and will seek revenge. The death eaters will start killing again and leaving the mark, we might see several members of the OOTP go in book 6 and I also think most of the older members of the order will die passing the torch so to speak.

ArchChancellor
June 24th, 2003, 6:20 am
I think almost everyone's whos going to die is going to die in book six; my bet is Voldemort's going to ascend to power by the end of #6 and then number 7 is going to be all about rebuilding and the climax. Anyways, here's my guesses for who dies by who...
Lupin: Wormtail
Snape: Voldemort
Moody: Voldemort
Fudge: Voldemort
Neville's Parents: Belatrix (or whatever her name is)
Mrs. Weasly: Belatrix (hence hyped up revenge)
Perhaps im getting carried away; after all a lot of kids are going to read this... im just trying to keep a realistic feel for what would happen if JK doesn't put on the brakes.

Jedi Potter
June 24th, 2003, 6:44 am
I think if anybody kills Mrs. Weasley it will be Lucius, he has do something horrible beefore the end.

DocHollidaywe
June 24th, 2003, 10:33 am
In book 6: I think Luna Lovegood will die. I mean, she was introduced in this book, so she isnt a new character, however she isnt a long lasting character, I was suprised she did not die in OoTP ... So i would say she is gone in 6

Also I to believe Dumbledore will die, however I believe it will be in book 7 right before Harry defeats Voldemort... heres my view of what happens.

Somehow Dumbledore Voldemort and Harry are all at the same place/same time. Dumbledore and Voldemort duel, it is a long, good duel, in which Voldemort is weakened, however Voldemort has/gets the upper hand, hit Dumbledore with a curse (not Killing Curse, however one that will cause Dumbledores death) Dumbledore tells Harry that he is ready, and that it is his fate, that he can finally rid the wizarding world of Voldemort. Harry with determination like non before, duels Voldemort, and due to Harry's overwhelming power (and due to the fact Dumbledore's duel took a lot out of Voldemort) Harry is able to defeat Voldemort!!!

Connie
June 24th, 2003, 1:03 pm
I really did'nt see Sirius' death coming, so I'm sure that the next one will be a shocker too. I'll predict one of the Weasleys, maybe Molly. Of course, I would'nt be too torn up if it was Percy, he's turned into quite the little :censored:

Picko
June 24th, 2003, 2:45 pm
I think Dumbledore dying but after seeing his performance in OotP I'm not sure who'll kill him. I think Dumbledore has to die for things to get as bad as they can, everyone relies on Dumbledore and without him everyone appears more vulnerable.

Loz
June 24th, 2003, 2:48 pm
If someone does die, I don't want to know about it before hand.

However, I'd like to think that if someone does die - it is NOT a main character, certainly not someone Harry relies upon - because the poor boy has suffered enuff d@mmit!!!

whizbang121
June 24th, 2003, 5:17 pm
Originally posted by Morgoth (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=387525#post387525))
Well, it's a fair bet that we can rule Sirius out of the equation, but will JK tempt fate and kill another character off in book six? I have a feeling more than one established character will die and what we have seen from Sirius's death is just the beginning.

Please do not argue with other members and their ideas... You will be warned or this thread will be closed.


Well Morgoth, there's no grass growing under YOUR feet.;)

All I know is we can't kill Hagrid off now. It will take more than magic to find a babysitter for his little brother.

Hpmons
June 24th, 2003, 6:30 pm
My ideas...

Mrs Weasley - her death would be bad for Harry and Ron, and dramatic, but it would be hard for her to get into that kind of situation.
Mr Weasley - Could get into that situation, but has already been close to death, so its unlikely he will again.
Hagrid - Could get into that kind of situation, and would be hard for Harry to accept; but how could things cope without a Care for MC teacher, gameskeeper, and Grawp babysitter?
Ron - Too early for sixth book.
Hermione - too early for sixth book
Dumbledore - I think he will definatly die in the 6th/7th book; as he is getting old even for a wizard now. I dont think he will be murdered though, probably something natural
Lupin - May try to save Harry, but it would be less dramatic than Sirius's death.
Luna Lovegood - not an important enough character, but she may be a second, smaller death.
Neville - No! I refuse to think of such a thing. Besides, I think he will become a DADA teacher when he is older.
Petunia - Im sure Voldermort will soon find out (if he does not already know), that Petunia is the reason that he cant hurt Harry at the Dursleys. So I think she will die possibly, but if she does, it wont be the only death.

Harry - Not in the sixth book; but I am not Totally against it happening in the 7th; but Id only believe it if Voldermort dies with him.
JKR keeps on saying "How do you know Harry will survive?" etc, making people think that he definatly will becuase otherwise she wouldnt say this. so it would surprise us if he did die. Unless...JKR already thought of that, and make Harry live becuase it would be unexpected...Unless she also thought of that, and makes Harry survive...Or perhaps she has already thought of that, and...

Llopin
June 25th, 2003, 1:18 pm
I fear Lupin's death, the silver thingy is scary, but maybe it is too obvious (and JK doesn't like obviousness), so maybe it's not to worry about.

Charmed
June 25th, 2003, 2:04 pm
I'm sorry to the Snape fans but I can see him in dying. I think Lupin will survive the series, there has to be some sort of link to Harry's parents for him.

NmUxFpAxN
June 25th, 2003, 6:55 pm
I believe that without a doubt one of the main characters will die. These books are growing up with their readers and by the time book 7 finally emerges the "younger" readers won't be so young anymore (of course, there will still be young readers...but for the most part the people that read the series book by book as it came out will be older) and so the content that is in the books will be much heavier. That being said i believe that harry will die. Here are my predictions for the next 2 books.
Person that dies--------------------------Person that murders
Percy--------------------------------------------Voldemort
Moody-------------------------------------------Voldemort
Lupin---------------------------------------------Wormtail
Wormtail----------------------------------------Voldemort
Mrs. Weasly--------------------------------------Lucious
Bellatrix----------------------------NEVILLE!!!! (and help from harry)
Dumbledor--------------------------------------Voldemort
Voldemort------------------------------------------Harry
Harry--------------------------------------------Voldemort

Those are my predictions for the deaths of the next 2 books. I think that it makes sense because i believe there won't be a satisfying ending if Harry doesn't die and if harry dies then Ron and Harmione can't. It would leave one of them all alone and this simply won't happen. Everyone needs someone else in the end. I chose Voldemort to kill wormtail for one reason, i believe he will save harry. I think that during a final fight in book seven, Voldemort will cast the death spell on harry and Wormtail will jump in front of him and take the hit. In order to save everyone else from Voldemort harry will sacrifice himself and take Voldemort with him. These are my predictions and i hopo that they aren't correct :)

AvadaKedavra
June 25th, 2003, 8:22 pm
To someone who said there was only one death in Ootp, actually, there were 2- remember Bode, the unspeakable, who worked in the Dept of Mysteries. The second war begins, and I think it will be even more terrible than before. JKR DID say that six would be horrible to write, and seven would be easier- I'm positive I've heard this before but I don't know where. Brace yourselves, killing Sirius is only the start. Lupin WILL survive- he's JKR's favourite character and I can't see JKR doing such a cruel thing- but I did say that about Sirius after all..... Death marks will be cast in the sky, muggles will be killed- expect parents of close people killed. Hermione's is a distinct possibilty and perhaps Justin Finch Fletchley's. Ernie Mc Millian's parents are pure blood but they are against voldemort so don't be surprised if they boot it. Ruling Arthur Weasley out just because he's already been attacked is foolish- Harry's parents escaped Voldemort 3 times (Mr Weasley is one so far) and seeing as Mr Weasley is in the Order, he could well be in for it. Two people I cannot see dying are Fred and George- that would be the worst thing. But if they join the order, well..... I expect more than 10 deaths, at least. The wizarding world will be in turmoil and many Aurors and Order people will die, and I think people will run out of the great hall at breakfast crying and sobbing at bad news. Harry will not suffer any more even if there are more deaths, he will close up and be soooo HARD. I would like him to kill people- Death Eaters please! I want some huge battles and deaths of Death Eaters, and the :censored: Bellatrix must kick it too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE YOU :censored: BELLATRIX I'M COMING TO GET YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
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moon_lit_raven
June 25th, 2003, 10:11 pm
i believe that fred and george will die, cause look at what they have become!? but it would be so sad if they dies. But more characters i goner die its so obvious isn't it.

I think that one of the three should die cause it would give more of an impacted or DD should die, cause then it would really give Harry something to be annoyed about wouldn't it and that might give him what he needs to get rid of old voldie

BellatrixOrTreats
June 25th, 2003, 10:23 pm
I am also one who thinks Mrs. Weasley's going to die, but I don't think it'll be Lucius who does it. He was already involved in Ginny's almost-death.

I'm a tad surprised no one thinks Trelawney's going to cash in her poufs. Now that Firenze is a Divination teacher, she's pretty much obsolete. She did her part: the prophecies with Harry. Also, it would be a poetic justice of sorts for her to die after predicting someone else would every year.

FleetAdmiralJ
June 26th, 2003, 1:38 am
I was thinking..if Voldemort wanted to really get back at Harry in a way that Harry would get just enraged at...who would be more perfect than killing of....Hermoine's parents.

They're muggles, he doesn't care if he kills them, and they can't protect himself. They dont threaten Voldemort and by killing them, there would be no other explanation than him trying to get Harry back.

There are a lot of plot twists you could have around Hermoine's parents getting killed. She would suddenly have a lot more in common with Harry (generally being, for all intensive purposes, an orphan whose parents were killed by Voldemort), and could really test what type of a person she is and what type of a friend both Harry and Ron are.

pottermom
June 26th, 2003, 1:48 am
I definately think that DD will die in book six. Harry is too reliant upon him. I also think that Lupin will die at the hand of Wormtail (pardon the pun)... Regarding Snape, he and Sirius were almost unnaturally hateful towards one another. Here's a stretch... Sirius's brother "died" 15 years ago and Snape started teaching at Hogwarts 14 years ago. Maybe Regulus Black didn't die but turned spy on Voldemort then after V's demise began teaching under a different name??? say.... Snape????

whizbang121
June 26th, 2003, 4:41 am
Originally posted by pottermom (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=394336#post394336))

Here's a stretch... Sirius's brother "died" 15 years ago and Snape started teaching at Hogwarts 14 years ago. Maybe Regulus Black didn't die but turned spy on Voldemort then after V's demise began teaching under a different name??? say.... Snape????

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Darn! This is such a great idea! But Sirius and Severus took their O.W.L.S. at the same time, so they are the same age. sigh
I was really liking that one, too.:grumble:

MsSnape
June 26th, 2003, 5:06 am
Well JK has said that the last chapter of book 7 is about what "the survivors" do with their lives. That implies some bad stuff going down. I predict much death though I can not say in which books these things will happen:

Lupin: He seems marked for death
Mr. Weasley: I just don't think he has it in the tank for another go round
Mrs. Weasley: She'll make it! She's a survivor!
Ron: If one of the three go it will be him, and I think there's some foreshadowing
Dumbldore: dead, but not until the end
Moody: He'll make it
Percy: I don't think he'll make it, and I don't know which side he'll come down on
Neville: ?
Ginny: ?
Harry: Survivor
Snape: Survivor
Lily/Dudley: I'm not too sure of the charm, but they could be marked
Luna: Dead
Hagrid: I wish he would die, I think he might, but no bets here
Hermione: Survivor
McGonagal: Survivor

animagus1369
June 26th, 2003, 5:59 am
7_on_Heaven wrote:
"I think Book 6's biggest surprise will be the destruction of Harry's Aunt's home, the Dursley's. This is to expose Harry and remove his "home", or at least that is what Voldemort will think. This will leave harry exposed and vunerable to death in book 7, unless you consider Hogwarts could become his new home!"

This is a really good point. I wonder, though--given the fact that it wasn't to Privet Drive Harry was taken but to his *family*, if the protection would hold anywhere the Dursleys were? (Hope that's not a signal of another bunch of deaths--how can you not love to hate the Dursleys?)

FleetAdmiralJ
June 26th, 2003, 6:45 am
I think people are right, either in the 6th or 7th books, everyone is going to be hit hard. I agree that Dumbledore will die, though my friend and I are debating whether it will be at the end of the 6th or middle of the 7th book. That will hit Harry hard...again.

I do think if there is a Weasley that gets it, Percy will be more likely, since he is blindly following Fudge everywhere. I also think there is a chance that Mr. Weasley may die too, though I'm not sure. I just don't see any of the other Weasleys dying. You also have to think of what their death would mean. Killing off say, Fred and/or George, while devestating to Ron is kinda like...so what? Killing Percy may be more important to the story line while killing Mr. Weasley would be more devestating to Ron.

As I stated in my post above, I also think that Hermoine's parents are a target and wouldn't be shocked if Voldemort killed them in book 6. While not doing a lot to help his cause directly, he could hope that Harry and Hermoine get so angry that they try to go hunt him down on their own..though, ironically enough, Hermoine would probably end up being the cool head in that situation, though it does open the possibility of seeing a darker side of Hermoine that we haven't seen yet.

I do think Snape will live and end up being the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher at the end of Book 7, and that McGonnagal will end up being Headmistris of Hogwarts when it is all said and done. As far as Lupin and Mad-Eye Moody...I don't see more than one of them living, if either of them do. I don't see any reason why one would live above the other though.

Eltanin
June 26th, 2003, 8:10 am
No.1 on my list of characters to die is Snape. I think he’ll show us a fine example of “heroic stupidity” and will perish wile saving Harry or something like that. I also think that Harry himself will not survive the series. He’ll probably die in the end of 7’Th book.

Endangered
June 26th, 2003, 8:19 am
Somehow, Snape is one of those people I can see surviving the war. Dumbledore, however is probably at risk. He wil probably have a spectacular end.

Llopin
June 26th, 2003, 8:40 am
Snape shouldn't die, but if he did, I'd love to see him being killed in order to save Harry. That would be a really honorable and tragic death.

martinnyg
June 26th, 2003, 11:01 am
Personally I think that Hagrid is the one to go in book 6. Others that'll go as well would be Kingsley Shacklebolt (who I think'll be the next DADA teacher) and two of the lesser known Order members. And of course lots of unknown will die as well, because Voldemort and the DE's ain't holding back no more.

too_wicked
June 26th, 2003, 11:58 am
And the predictions never stop.

Okay. Who will die?

Snape is first in my list. I have a feeling after Harry saw Snape's memories while having Occlumency, we will be learning more about Snape. You know, his childhood, his friends, his family. You saw what JK did to Sirius. She told us a lot of things about Sirius like his family and the fact that he really loves Harry like a son, a brother and a best friend. We even saw a glimpse of Sirius' teenage life. If we learn a lot of things about Snape in 6, then he's definitely kicking the bucket.

Second, a Weasley. I have a strong feeling it will either be Percy or Molly (sorry, but she's still one of my choices). It won't be Ginny because she had her encounter with death in book 2 and Mr. Weasley was already in danger in 5. Fred and George, we need some laughs so they're spared. As for Bill and Charlie, possible. They are far from their family and it's a great risk what they are doing.

For the first time, I'm sparing HAgrid. After OotP, I know a lot will happen to Hagrid in future books.

Ron, I think will survive in book 6 but will get whacked off in 7. Don't want it but I have a feeling it will happen.

pottermom
June 26th, 2003, 1:27 pm
Hey Whizbang, the only hint about Regulus's age is that Sirius said "he was younger than me..." or something to that effect. Doesn't say how much younger, could be 5 years or 5 minutes. What if they were twins and Regulus was born 5 or 10 minutes later......??

whizbang121
June 26th, 2003, 2:58 pm
Originally posted by pottermom (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=395459#post395459))
Hey Whizbang, the only hint about Regulus's age is that Sirius said "he was younger than me..." or something to that effect. Doesn't say how much younger, could be 5 years or 5 minutes. What if they were twins and Regulus was born 5 or 10 minutes later......??


Good point and well taken. Or Snape may have been so bright as to have moved up in school? But, I think if that was a common practice, Hermione would have graduated by now. They may have been born with a year of each other. I grew up next to a family with two children, born like 10 months apart. They had spring birthdays, but had they been born late autumn to winter, I think they might have been in the same year at school.

I actually like this thought a lot. They do seem to interact like siblings who hate each other, don't they? But we need to really examine their backgrounds. Harry saw some of Snape's memories during a lesson once; scenes that seemed to be from his childhood that do not, as I recall, contradict this idea. But I'm going to go and read them again.

Let's try to disprove the theory and maybe in the process convince ourselves? It's too good to ignore.

hermownninny
June 27th, 2003, 6:35 pm
I just hope Lupin doesn't die...that would kill me....

Are you talking about Snape being Sirius's brother???
Please, someone explain..I'm kind of confused...

vickygirl4
June 27th, 2003, 6:58 pm
Hagrid, Hagrid, please let it be Hagrid!!!!

JenJen
June 27th, 2003, 7:26 pm
Pretty much any death would make me really sad, with a few exceptions of the Malfoys, Voldemort, or Bellatrix. I have a feeling that Neville might die trying to kill Bellatrix, because he's angry enough at her (for good reason), but not powerful enough to take her on single handedly. It also seems that Dumbledore will die soon (though the thought of it makes me really sad), but I'm not sure if it will be in the sixth or seventh book. I really hope Harry doesn't die.

tizzy weasley
June 27th, 2003, 7:42 pm
I think Dumbledore might die in the next book. He now seems more connected to Harry.
But then again I can see a Weasley dying. Not Ron, maybe Ginny, maybe someone else. Maybe Percy since he works for the MoM, he might get into deep stuff and could be killed off.

I like to be surprised really...but those would be my choices.

Demona Snape
June 27th, 2003, 8:38 pm
Good Guys...
I think one of the Weasley's will die. My top choices would be Molly, Charlie or Bill.
Someone earlier pointed out we still need the twins for comic relief, Ginny was suppose to be a major player in future books unless Rowling counts B5 as the important thing that Ginny does. Ron will be spared. However in B7 he should be more careful. Arthur had his chance and it didn't happen.

Lupin- I think the DE are going to go after all of the mauraders at this rate and he's in for it. So in my opinion I would really get to memorize all of his lines and funny moments since I dont' see him making it past book 6.

An Order member we've just been introduced to. Perhaps Tonks?


Bad Guys
Bellatrix definetly. She was completely out of it and the way that Lucious had to constantly remind her to stay in control made me think that if Harry, Neville, or a member from the order doesn't kill her, one of her own will. Maybe Lucious?

If wormtail kills Lupin I also see him out of the picture. I would say by then he would no longer be useful to Voldemort.

Someone from the forbidden forest. There's a lot of chaos occuring there so I only imagine a centaur or Aragog the spider also dying. Maybe not at the hands of a DE but possibly due to some other forest inhabitant. I think now with the departure of Firenze and the arrival of Grawp the forest is having its own civil war so to speak.

Well those are my choices. Hopefully I'm not right but with Rowling you just never know.

animagus1369
June 27th, 2003, 9:16 pm
Who's going to die?*
(* My first answer, of course, being who knows?)

Molly Weasley. (6)
Dumbledore (6)
Shacklebolt (6)
Bellatrix (6)
Ron (7)
Lupin (7)
Percy (7)
Voldemort (7)

Inkling
June 27th, 2003, 9:18 pm
The fact that JKR said the trio was safe UNTIL book 7 makes me think that, at that point, we say bye-bye to one of them, but which one I have no clue. I am pretty sure Hermione is safe, though.

As for book 6, someone has to die. I think it'll be even worse than Sirius. I mean, yes, I cried, it was horrible, but he had only been around for two books. (PoA doesn't count because he was 'evil' then.)

Harry has a lot of people he has known and loved for a lot longer than Sirius. I personally think that book 6 death will be a student, or maybe Fred/George.

Please, please, don't kill off Lupin, JK! The Marauders have to have some representation, especially to explain James and Sirius's childhood behavior!

Jessica
June 27th, 2003, 9:34 pm
DUMBLEDORE
I agree with everyone who said Dumbledore, I think the only way Harry will be able to kill Voldemort is if D is no longer there to protect him.

PERCY
I think he is going to do something fantastic to redeem himself and THEN get snuffed. We spent four book disliking him, one book despising him, and I think in Book 6 we're going to find out that he really is a Weasley underneath it all.

LUPIN & PETTIGREW
I have a sinking feeling none of the Marauders are going to make it but I would love for Lupin to kill Pettigrew either before he dies or as he dies. Little rat b@st@rd!

Muggical Me
June 27th, 2003, 10:37 pm
I too think that Dumbledore will die before the end of the series... I like the idea of Percy dying to save someone, it would be a sort of redemption... and if one of the Weasleys have to snuff it, it had better not be Fred or George... if one of them were to die I think that would be one of the saddest deaths JKR could possibly write.. if one dies the other will probably go down trying to avenge them... And then I'd cry like a baby.

FleetAdmiralJ
June 28th, 2003, 3:49 am
Whaaa...doesn't anyone think that say someone like Hermione's parents are very vulnerable and could be killed by Voldemort in an attempt to really tick off Harry?

pottermom
June 28th, 2003, 4:17 am
okie dokie Whizbang... I'm running passages through my mind and I'm trying to discredit myself. I thought maybe Harry would recognize Snape's mother from the memory if he had seen Mrs. Black in the portrait but I'm 99% sure that her portrait was covered up every time he went past it. Also, another passage from GoF sticks out. At the end in the hospital wing when DD tells Snape and the group "it is time for two of our number to recognize each other for what they are......" I just can't help feeling he wasn't just talking about Sirius/Snuffles resuming his human form. I'll keep pondering it, although it would be so totally cool if we turn out to be right!!!!!



Wishful thinking

I'll keep looking at it, surely I'll be able

Rowena Ravenclaw
June 28th, 2003, 4:23 am
Dumbledore's doomed. If not at the end of Book 6, then during Book 7. But Book 6 makes more sense dramatically. Think how excruciating the suspense would be if things ended with the Order deprived of its leader. (Hmm...on second thought, don't).

A fair amount of the Order itself is in danger, too, I think. I've got a bad feeling about Tonks in particular.

And I'm a little bit worried about Neville. What if he finds out about the prophecy, and tries to involve himself somehow?

Of course, I was convinced Hagrid was going to die, so pay me about as much heed as Professor Trelawney when she's not being possessed.

Aurora
June 28th, 2003, 9:18 am
I think Dumbledore's death will be the final of the series. In the Prophecy it says that either Harry or Voldemort has to die, but would JKR actually end the series with Harry dying and Voldemort succeeding? My guess is that Voldemort will kill Dumbledore (he sacrifices himself) and Dumbledore will perhaps leave Harry with the final bit of information that can help him defeat Voldemort.

As for Book Six, I'm putting my money on Snape... or one of the Weasleys. Probably Bill, Molly or Arthur. Fudge maybe - but I mustn't keep my hopes up (Remember Sirus Black). And something is whispering to me that Luna Lovegood might be snuffed...

Thayet
June 28th, 2003, 12:39 pm
Dumbledore will die, I think, and maybe Voldemort will die - and then Harry sacrifices himself to kill him, and is reunited with those he cares for most. But as for Snape, I expect him to survive.

remusjlupin1980
June 28th, 2003, 12:58 pm
The only reason, IMO, for her statement Harry may not live at the end of Book 7 so her readers can have suspense. Heck, if she said: "Oh, Harry's not gonna die." She's giving away the ending to her story. It's better for her to flirt with possibility that Harry may die to keep readers even more excited and nervous as they await for Book 7. We know good is gonna triumph over evil, that's a given but will Harry survive? Only J.K. knows for sure and that's the way she wants it to be.

remus81
June 28th, 2003, 2:13 pm
A lot of people seem to think Hermoine's parents, which I'm sure he COULD do, but WHY? Voldie has no reason to kill the Grangers, even to upset Harry, there are a lot better targets to upset Harry that a couple of muggles he has only met once and who have never spoken in the books once.

But here are my ideas...

PERCY
He'll be a jerk still in 6, but will sacrifice himself for good in book 7.

VOLDIE
Dude, he's toast... he has to die, we have a beginning, middle, his death is the end....

WORMTAIL
I've got a gut feeling he will.... I don't know why.... No evidence for you!

LUPIN
Gotta say no.... not just cause I love the guy, but he was never really a part of the group. The scene by the lake. Everyone was paying attention to James but him. He is not reckless, they are/were. I think he is safe.

remusjlupin1980
June 28th, 2003, 3:28 pm
Actually Harry has met the Grangers at least one other time. At the end of The Order of the Phoenix, the Grangers were clearly there. He could've also met them three other times at the end of each term at King's Cross station. It is more than likely that the Grangers were there to pick up Hermione as well.

Personally, I'd like to get know about Hermione's parents a little bit more. All we know about them is that they're dentists and are decent enough people. I would think Voldemort's first targets will be Muggle-borns and their families so it's quite possible that he would target Hermione and her family.

xxquixx
June 28th, 2003, 4:34 pm
book 6 - hagrid, lucius
book 7 - dumbledore, voldemort and ron

Daveydee
June 28th, 2003, 5:25 pm
Original post by MsSnape

Well JK has said that the last chapter of book 7 is about what "the survivors" do with their lives.

I'm pretty sure you're mistaken on this. Perhaps you could post a link to a transcript of this interview.

crazychick0762
June 28th, 2003, 7:40 pm
K...its gotta be Dumbledore, everyone knows that. I really dont think she'll kill off Mrs. Weasley as shes already killed the only other people Harry considered 'parental figures' (well two of them were actually his parents...but yeah) so I think that would just be mean. I do think a Weasley will die and I hope its Percy.
Only one of the trio will die, and I'm quite convinced it will be Harry...I think he and Voldemort will kill each other off, so then no one will bug her to make more books as the main characters would be gone. If its not Harry though, I think it may be Hermione because no one thinks it will be, and we all know how JK likes to surprise us. Who knows?

Arissya_00
June 28th, 2003, 8:01 pm
I have had a feeling that Lupin would die ever since I finished PoA. He seems so frail, and old, even though he's just past 30. I don't think any of the teens (Ginny, Harry, Ron, etc.) are gonna die. But I hope not that its Lupin.

SiriusSeverusFan
June 28th, 2003, 8:01 pm
You know...everyone says they think Dumbedore will die, and JKR says she goes to HP sites sometimes, so she may have gathered this popular concensus from one of those sites. Wouldn't it be ironic if Dumbledore LIVED? I think a lot of people would be like, "What the *censored*?!" and it'd actually be a bit funny. But anyway...my two cents:

Hagrid: I've just got this nasty feeling he's in for it. He seems to get himself into a lot of situations that probably won't be good for his continued health. What if a Death Eater found out about Grawp and was using him against Hagrid somehow? Because Grawp isn't monitered 24/7, this DE could injure Grawp severely and wait for Hagrid to come. Then he could tell Hagrid to come with them, or he'll deal Grawp the finishing blow, or something like that.

Lupin: I don't think so. In my mind, there's a scenario where Wormtail nearly kills him with the silver hand, but then Tonks or another Order member steps in when Wormtail isn't looking and kills him, saving Lupin from death. This could just be wishful thinking on my part though, because I'm really attached to Lupin, and am rather like him *Points to signiture*.

Snape: It seems too obvious to me. I mean, I've had bad feelings about it, but really thinking about it, wouldn't Snape be another one who's up there on fans' death lists? He's probably on Voldie's death list too, but does that MEAN he'll snuff it? Nooo....and he seems too stubborn to die like that (And he's another of my favorites, not that that'll matter in the long run, but whatever).

Mr. Wealsey: So what if he had one brush with death? It doesn't mean he's now impervious to Voldemort. I think Lucius Malfoy might kill him, or try to be the one to do it, as they don't get on the best.

Mrs. Weasley: I think she may. What if both parents died? Wouldn't that be shattering for the Weasley children and Harry? If JKR's prepared to kill Sirius...plus, if she knew one of her children was in danger, I have a feeling she'd rush to the scene and try to save the child in question, putting her in a dangerous position.

Any Weasley child: I think at least one of them's going to bite it, maybe not Ron, but perhaps Charlie and Percy or something? What if only Fred or only George was killed? How d'you reckon that'd change the remaining twin, or would they both go down together?

Hermione: She's muggle-born yes, but I just don't see her dying. Her parents, yes, Hermione herself, no. Maybe Voldie will know that Hermione and Harry are very close friends, and strike the Grangers' home, but Hermione will be at The Burrow with Ron and only her parents will bite it.

Luna Lovegood: I'd feel rather jipped. I like this weird lady, folks.

Draco Malfoy: Well, he probably isn't going to turn into the St. Draco we've seen in fanfics, but I can always hope. He might die being a Death Eater alongside dearest daddy, but I doubt it. Maybe Snape's got him to change sides, or just question loyalty to his father and Voldie and he'll see Voldie about to kill Snape with Avada Kedavra, he'll think of everything Snape has told him and heroically take the fatal spell for his professor. *Thinks about it* Probably not, but hope is a wonderful, wonderful thing.

Voldemort:...Will die of influenza! Yes, it's true: "Voldemort smiled evilly at Harry, about to finish the boy wizard off once and for good, but suddenly felt extremely faint and began to hack up a storm and sneazing. The Death Eaters looked on in confusion and suddenly Wormtail put his hands to his face in horror, "Oh no! I forgot to give the Dark Lord his medication!"

Girl
June 28th, 2003, 8:03 pm
I think it will be Dumbledore who dies in book 6. He might not be killed but maybe die of old age. I don't see Dumbledore being killed by Death Eaters, he surpossed to be powerful so I don't see him being killed. However with Dumbledore dead it would mean that Harry would finaly have to face Voldermort alone.

But I'm sure that there will be more than one death in book 6 and they will be very sad. I bet that it will be a surprise just like the one in OotP and none of use will expect the person to die.

2Cool127
June 28th, 2003, 9:32 pm
here is what i think

Lupin: Hw ont die in book six because in an interview i read JK was asked would Lupin be in book Five and she said something like "He will be there fo a cameo but i have something big planned for him in book 7" but then again he could be there as a ghost.

Weasleys: This family will be torn apart...The whole Boggart thing with Mrs. Weasleys wasnt a quincidence(sp)...Another forshadow was when she said(not the exact quote) "what would happen if we both die than who would take care of the kids"...

Dumbledore: He is Harrys main strength...wouldnt surprise me if he bit the dust.....

Tonks: I expect her to die....not a big character though so it doesnt matter

Harry/Ron/Hermione: One of them will die...without a doubt....


There will be ALOT more but i just dont know who

FleetAdmiralJ
June 28th, 2003, 11:05 pm
Well, it wasn't "a lot of people think Hermione's parents will die" it was just me reposting it over and over until someone paid attention lol. Glad someone finally thought about it other than me lol

AvadaKedavra
June 28th, 2003, 11:15 pm
Death count for Book 6 anyone? I think it will be about 25 (including less significant characters)

AvadaKedavra
June 28th, 2003, 11:19 pm
To Fleet Admiral, actually I said it a long time back (hermione's parents dying) , on the 25th, a whole day before you joined lol :D it's on one of the earlier posts on this thread. Anyway, nice to see we share the same thinkin

FleetAdmiralJ
June 29th, 2003, 12:02 am
Lol oh, didn't see that lol. Yeah I was thinking that it was a logical thing to do. I mean, even if say someone like Dumbledore died, Harry knew he was a target, and while hard, it wouldn't be totally unexpected and not necessarily a personal attack on Harry. If Voldemort went after Hermione's parents I think it would be about as personal attack Voldemort could take against Harry other than actually attacking him.

Arissya_00
June 29th, 2003, 12:23 am
I think Snape is also going to die. At the end of book , Voldemort said one death eater has left him forever, and he could be referring to Snape. However, it could also be Karkaroff, but he could be the cowardly one Voldemort was talking about.

Sweetie
June 29th, 2003, 1:41 am
Ron, Hermione, and Dumbledore are going to be there for the end, but I'm not going to try to guess now whether or not they'll make it through the final chapter of book 7.

As for Hermione's parents, I don't think they're important enough to be killed off, as JK put it, "They're both dentists."

I really think there will be a Weasley death, probably either Ginny, Percy, or one of the parents, as Fred, George, Bill, and Charlie seem to be in there mostly for color.

Hagrid? Possibly, but he seems to be losing some of his depth and importance as the books go on.

I definately think Snape will die, probably just as we begin to like him.

McGonagall could go either way, she seems in some ways to be an extension of Dumbledore almost. Same with Mad Eye.

phoenixtears
June 29th, 2003, 1:50 am
Um... I just can't see Dumbledore dying. I hope Bellatrix lives through everything! I'm rather fond of her--- probably because I see a shadow of myself in her. *Ducks at tomatoes are thrown at me!*

I think... HAGRID will die. :'(

whizbang121
June 29th, 2003, 4:05 am
Originally posted by vickygirl4 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=396333#post396333))
Hagrid, Hagrid, please let it be Hagrid!!!!


We can't kill Hagrid now. It will take more than magic to find a babysitter for Grawp.

whizbang121
June 29th, 2003, 4:25 am
Originally posted by pottermom (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=397811#post397811))
okie dokie Whizbang... I'm running passages through my mind and I'm trying to discredit myself. I thought maybe Harry would recognize Snape's mother from the memory if he had seen Mrs. Black in the portrait but I'm 99% sure that her portrait was covered up every time he went past it. Also, another passage from GoF sticks out. At the end in the hospital wing when DD tells Snape and the group "it is time for two of our number to recognize each other for what they are......" I just can't help feeling he wasn't just talking about Sirius/Snuffles resuming his human form. I'll keep pondering it, although it would be so totally cool if we turn out to be right!!!!!



Wishful thinking

I'll keep looking at it, surely I'll be able


But you know, his name was Severus Snape when they were all in school.

Max
June 29th, 2003, 4:31 am
Again, the topic of Who Will Die in Book 6 brings up the oft-spoken Boggart scene with Mrs. Weasley. Quite a few members have said that Ginny or Charlie may die, as they were the only Weasleys who didn't appear, but I doubt it. It is highly unlikely that any of the major characters will kick the bucket till the end of the seventh book, but along the way, there are plenty of opportunities for JK to kill off the lesser characters one by one, though she would have to be careful to now overdo it.

theHassler
June 29th, 2003, 5:09 am
Has much as I hate to say it... I think Arthur Weasley may die.

Just because the Ministry has acknowledged the fact that Voldemort has returned doesn't mean they'll agree to join up with the Order. I think there will still be a slip in the two good sides (if you wanna call the Ministry good). With that being said, if the Ministry still wants to be divided with the Order then no doubt that evil weasel Percy with be totally devoted to the MoM. Seeing a weak spot, Voldemort will attack the Ministry and Arthur will sacrifice himself to save that evil weasel Percy.

Oh I love Arthur!

FleetAdmiralJ
June 29th, 2003, 5:23 am
Originally posted by Sweetie (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=400567#post400567))
As for Hermione's parents, I don't think they're important enough to be killed off, as JK put it, "They're both dentists."


I think thats part of why I think it may happen...it would be out of the blue yet have tremendous impact. It could bring up plot lines where not only Harry but Hermione have to struggle with their inner demons and we could see a darker side of Hermione, and at the very least, see a fuller picture of her character.

chowie
June 29th, 2003, 8:39 am
I am keen on the idea of the whole Marauders team dying... although I'd be heartbroken if Lupin died. I'm so in love with his character...

Who do I think will die in Book 6? Either Hagrid or Percy.

Who do I want to die in Book 6? Cho Chang.

Ollivander
June 29th, 2003, 8:57 am
book 6 = lupin dies
book 7 = dumbledore dies

yes, it was painful to type that

hightideorlowtide
June 29th, 2003, 9:38 am
Ok here is my 2 bits: or atleast how i think things should happen

Anyone and everyone can die:
But some have to live in the end:

A Weasley will die: atleast 1 of the Weasley clan has to die. I think Mrs Weasley would be perfect, or even one of the twins..(im a twin my self if my brother died id go absolutly bezerk)

Neville could die heroicly, He's a Griffondor.and isn't there for no reason, he is brave, and he did prove it in OotF, with his confidence he becomes a much stronger wizard. he could sacrifice himself for Harry or for Ginny. ( I have a feeling Neville and Ginny have chemistry)

Bellatrix: I think Harry will spare Bella when they finailly duel. and voldemort will end up killing her.... that or lupin or dumbledore

Dumbledore has to die at some point, no doubt in that

Snape will sacrifice himself for neville.......or Harry, but man if he spared his life for Neville, that would be rich!

Madeye: he'll die to a bunch of death eaters that he locked up. mark my words. he'll kill a few of them, maybe bellatrix... but he will be overwheld and killed by there masses.

Lupin: Could die, i wouldn't want him to, he;s the only one left that was real close to Harrys Father and God father... Moony is going to play a very important role though, i can tell, he could avenge Sirius.

A Professor or 2: hogwarts staff members are at risk

Hagrid: I could see our kindly giant dieing fighting for the lifes of the Main 3 (Harry/Hermione/Ron)

Tonks: she could have a bigger role in the upcomming books, but she was bested by Bellatrix and ended up in St. Mungo's... she's a tough cookie but not all that tough.. i think bella is out to whipe out as many "good factioned" family members she can.

Ron or Hermione: very possible 1 may die in the end, but one must live too... i personally wouldn' want to see eather of them go. they are too important... they are harrys real support

hightideorlowtide
June 29th, 2003, 9:42 am
I also like Max's idea about Mr Weasley sacrificing himself for Percy.... wouldn' that shut that little brat percy up for onces. it would sure knock some sence into his power hungery skull

Marethiel
June 29th, 2003, 6:09 pm
In Book Six, I think the Order will suffer a lot of great losses. For one thing, Mrs. Weasley is out of the picture I think. The scene with the boggart is a big hint. When I first got OotP, I looked through the chapter names, saw 'The Woes of Mrs. Weasley' and thought 'I knew it, she snuffed it.' Obviously I was proven wrong, but I think she'll get it in the next book.

I also think that Mad Eye Moody is going to get it. That blasted eye keeps popping out, I think he'll go after it one time too much. Get in a sticky situation with it, literally. Then I heard of this theory, that the books reflect each other, GoF being the mirror. So that would mean OotP and PoA are similar, CoS and book six will be similar, etc. If so, then I think Ginny is going to be the next Weasley out. She escaped death in book 2, just like Sirius escaped fatal consequences in PoA and got it in OotP.

I also think that Lupin will survive throughout the series. There are some rumor pages saying that Lupin will play a big role in book 7, and he seems smart and cunning enough to not fall into traps and not have his emotions drive him. There's this legend with werewolves and silver, and that they can die because of it. In a lot of movies, werewolves are killed by a silver bullet. I think Peter, with the silver hand of his, will try to kill Lupin, but won't succeed, and will get the death he deserves.

Daveydee
June 29th, 2003, 6:57 pm
I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that we will see no significant deaths (of Harry's friends/allies) in Book 6.

It's difficult to see how JK could write such a death into the next book without that book becoming a carbon copy of OotP.

The only place within Book 6 that I see deaths occuring is among the Death Eaters - perhaps Lucius Malfoy, thus paving the way for his baton to be passed to his son.

You-Know-Who
June 29th, 2003, 7:13 pm
Didn't JKR say that the beginning of book 7 is going to be a blood bath or something like that...

Mutant for Hire
June 29th, 2003, 7:17 pm
For book six, there might be no significant deaths. Book seven is going to have them dropping like flies.

The Marauders:
Two of the Marauders have given their lives for Harry, James and Sirius. Sirius had the mark of doom to me when I heard there was a death in book five and I was right. Lupin is another tragic figure and I think he reeks of doom and sacirifice as well. He too will die for Harry. And lastly, Pettigrew has to repay his debt to Harry and likely will be killed by Voldemort for that, completing the doom of the Marauders.

Snape:
I think he too will die for Harry. That will upset Harry a great deal. He wants Snape to be a villain, and for Snape to die for him would ruin that mental image. He doesn't want Snape to go down doing something noble and right. Which is why it is all the more important for Snape to do so, for Harry's growth.

Dumbledore:
again, Harry depends on Dumbledore and part of the last transition from childhood to adulthood for Harry will be for Harry to have to stand on his own against Voldemort. Dumbledore's time has passed. Hsi job is to hold on long enough for Harry to take over the task of defeating Voldemort.

Possibles:

Hagrid, one of the Weasley's, Moody.

Moody strikes me as a probable. He's the type who will want to go down fighting. Hagrid's death would be a very poignant sacrifice. And of course with nine Weasley's, the odds of all of them making it are slim. The Boggart seen could have been a nasty foreshadowing.

InvasionOfTheGuru4
June 29th, 2003, 7:18 pm
I think that Dumbledore might die trying to kill Voldemort, and then maybe Harry will avenge his death.

cyrenesis
June 29th, 2003, 8:36 pm
I think i read most posts and i found a charcter not mentioned a lot. However, I think this person's chance of living are very slim.

We all know it's true that voldy will have trouble getting the prophecy from dumbledore, so he'll have to find the next closest thing -the creator. AKA Trelawnly (sorry for bad spelling). If he got the divination teacher, he would try to make her predict a way for voldy to kill Harry. Knowing her loyalty, she would refuse, therefore making voldy torture and kill her.

Well, that's my 1/2 cented theory. Enjoy.

Arissya_00
June 29th, 2003, 9:13 pm
Then Harry will have to avenge Dumbledore, Sirius, Cedric, and his parent's death.

martinnyg
June 29th, 2003, 9:14 pm
Well Trelawney wont remember her prophecy. Remember after the 2nd prediction she made in front of Harry. She didn't even know she had made it, and said it sounded like bogus. So if Voldemort goes after her, he wont find out what the prophecy was about, because she wont remember.

Sami-chan---{-@
June 29th, 2003, 9:58 pm
i think it will be a weasly but my bet is on percy!!! he needs to get killed off the stupid head!!! and i think McGonagall will be head misteress only because i think Dumbledore will get the axe before the end of book 7! :cries:

SiriusSeverusFan
June 29th, 2003, 10:02 pm
Ah, I said something along the lines of this in one or two other posts. Not exactly the same thing, though. I said that he may find out she made the prophecy about his demise, lure her out of the castle, and try to make her predict something else for him. However, since her true prophecies are rather sporadic and she probably wouldn't be able to make one, he'd most likely get impatient and kill her. Therefore, I think it is possible that she could be a death (Noooo, not Trelawney! Think of the lost humor! And she was becoming bearable, too!).

Arissya_00
June 29th, 2003, 10:50 pm
Trelawney is too less important character to be killed off, except for the fact that she makes prophecies, and they are really important,so I don't think she would die. Besides, like martinnyg said, you can't just ask her for the prophecy, she'd deny it, she can't remember anything.

final hippie
June 30th, 2003, 1:27 pm
Ok, so obviously, with the dark lord running on the loose, we'll be seeing a good load of deaths.

Harry, Hermione, Ron- They will remain intact, for sure, IMO.

Dumbledore, Hagrid, McGonagall, other non-snape teachers- Dumbledore will surely die in the seventh book, as Voldemort goes down. Hagrid will survive, McGonagall will become headmaster, live. Some other teachers may die, blah.

Marauders- There will surely be none left by the time book 7 closes up. Pettigrew will die, not in a huge moment, but he will. Lupin will die facing Bellatrix, maybe, I'm sure he will die though. The marauders dying leads me to my next point -->

Snape- He will surely die along with the marauders. He grew up with them, and is too closely intertwined with them, to live.

OOTP- yep some will die.

Voldemort- Well, I don't think I need to even say this, but harry will own him.

Death Eaters- Bellatrix will die, but not at Harry's hand, at Lupins. Harry is a schooler still, I don't think JK wants him running around slaughtering people, besides big V.

Malfoys- I think the Malfoys are the most interesting characters to think about. Draco is a young boy, and I like his character. I hope he will become like Snape, a sour slytherin, but not a Death Eater kinda guy. I don't think Mr. Malfoy will die, that would defy Draco's existance: what would the poor boy do without his father?

I think that Draco may end up helping Harry out in the final scene vs. big V. It seems like the kind of thing I could read out of Book 7.

What will happen to Harry after Book 7?

PrtVeela
June 30th, 2003, 2:31 pm
JustRelax: It would be nice to have a death free book but somewhat impossible due to the fact that the 'Second War' has now begun. And a war with no fatalities, is highly unlikley especially in this situation.

And as to whose going to die in book six, I don't even think I'll bother putting my two cents in about that since I was way off for who was going to die in book five :::wink:::

Mad-I Moody
June 30th, 2003, 2:46 pm
Here are my guesses for death/no death:

Harry, Ron, and Hermione: I'm going to say that they will all survivie the series; this is partly because I think it is true, and partly because I desparately want it to be true.

Dumbledore: *sob* I think he will die. *sniffle* I think it might not happen until Book 7, but Hagrid and others have said "We're OK as long as Dumbledore is around" one too many times.

Lupin: JKR, please please PLEASE don't kill him! That being said, I, like many of you, think that Pettigrew's silver hand will have something to do with Monny's downfall. Very, very sad. But I hope that Pettitgrew will snuff it as well. What a loser.

Voldemort: dead, dead, dead in Book 7. Harry is going to dominate.

Bellatrix: oooh, I hope she gets it, too. I feel sure that she will die at some point, but I can also see her escaping at the end, with no one knowing where she has gone.

Snape: I think Voldemort is going to kill him, or he is going to, in some way, sacrifice himself for Harry while doing something for the Order. Poor Snivellus.

Draco: I hope Harry jinxes the little git beyond all recognition.

Neville: I can see him snuffing it, but I hope he survives to do something really cool.

A Weasley: I definitely think one of this clan will shuffle off this mortal coil. Mr. and Mrs. Weasley seem to be the likely candidates in my mind, but I can see Percy redeeming himself by putting his life on the line for his family or for Harry. Maybe Ginny, but I don't think that is likely. At least, I hope not....I really like Ginny.

Members of the Order: will obviously die. I hope Mad-Eye survives. But I know that many of the members we have met it OotP will probably lose their lives fighting Voldemort. Sad stuff.

OK, that's it for now. I think I've covered my bases! :D

whizbang121
June 30th, 2003, 3:09 pm
I suspect Lupin will survive. He may be the only one who does, because JKR loves him so. But, it occurs to me that he may step in and fill Sirius' shoes as father figure to Harry. And in the end, it will be better that way.

Grace Granger
June 30th, 2003, 4:07 pm
I'd have to say that I think Dumbledore will die, but naturally. He won't die due to a fight or anything like that.

A Weasley must die. It only makes sense for one of them, too.

I don't want HRH to die or Lupin. That'll just be too much for me.

ellie
June 30th, 2003, 7:25 pm
I think there'll be lots more deaths as the second war has started, but as there are so many a lot will be minor characters in the early stages (other pupils families, people we don't really know). There can't be too many main character deaths otherwise how could she do them all justice?
I think Dumbledore'll definitely be killed off at some stage. And one of the Weasley's - I reckon Percy or Mrs Weasley. Some membes of the Order will have to die, possibly Aurors Moody & Kingsley (Tonks may ahve a more significant rle). Wormtail is a cert too - I just hope he doesn't take Lupin with him - the signs are there but I don't want to see them (still recovering from Sirius). As for Harry, I think JKR is bluffing when she says how can we be sure he survives. Likewise Ron & Hermione are pretty safe, and Hagrid too.

Andrew00
June 30th, 2003, 8:19 pm
Now, this may sound a little strange to some.. But think about it.
Seven Books dedicated to writing about Voldemort and resisting his evil. That sounds pretty boring. I mean, JK probably thought that too. So, what if in book seven something happens; Something unexpected.

I think that there is a big chance voldemort will die in book 6. Perhaps by Harry or Dumbledore. But, what if there is a new appointed evil. Someone whom you would least expect...who would fill voldemorts role of destruction??


what do you think?

Hpmons
June 30th, 2003, 9:07 pm
It certainly would be unexpected...I dont believe it myself, though it is a possibility. That would be a surprising death!

Dumbledores my bet. Im almost certain he will die before the end of the seventh book. A natural death would make a nice change...

Lupins got to survive! Hes the only proper surviving Marauderer (cant spell...) Sirius and James are dead, and Pettigrews turned to the other side (and he'll probably die to save Harry); so Lupin has got to survive!
All this stuff about the silver hand annoys me. Just becuase she took the name "Remus" and he is a werewolf; everyone automatically thinks shes going to take loads of things; eg. Lupin has a brother called Romulus, or Pettigrew silver hand could kill him...
Anyway, I dont think Pettigrew would kill Lupin. Pettigrews not evil, just a sheep; a very naughty sheep.

Arissya_00
July 1st, 2003, 3:41 am
Here is my new, revised list:
Harry, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Ginny, NEville - all will survive
Lupin, Wormtail - die
Dumbledore - die, but probably it will be "magnificent"
The Order - suffer harsh losses
Weasleys - I would one of the parents
Teachers - snape might die, other teachers aren't important, yea, I also think McGonagall wlilll be headmistress
Death Eaters - die, all you bunch of no-brained rats, especially Bellatrix, I seriously think Neville and Harry will team up and kill her
Voldemort - Duh, if he makes it, then the whole series is pointless
Hagrid & Grawp - er, hard to say, I would say maybe Grawp will die trying to save Hagrid, but I don't think Hagrid's going to die
I think Draco is going to turn really evil and darker than before and be Harry's worst arch-nemesis, after Voldemort and dear Bella, and then I don't know

FleetAdmiralJ
July 1st, 2003, 4:10 am
I just don't think either Ron or Hermione will die. It just doesn't make sense. Unless one is wishing for a bloodbath of epic and tragic proportions, they'll make it through. Harry on the other hand is another story. If he dies at the end, it would certainly end the series. I think his death is impossible to predict at this point.

I do think Neville will kill Bellatrix, and I seem be alone in my belief that he will do it on his own. I think Neville will survive along with Seamus and Dean Thomas. I think the core group of 6 Gryffindors will survive.

I think most of the Death Eaters (Lucious Malfoy, Crabbe Sr., and Goyle Sr.) may end up in Azkaban, unless they die in a desperate attempt to keep power.

I don't see Mrs. Weasley dying, its too harsh, but I can see Mr. Weasley and/or Percy.

One has to think that Wormtail getting a silver hand and Lupin being a werewolf isn't a coincidence. Thats a death waiting to happen.

I also think Fred and George's joke shop will somehow be greatly involved, though I couldn't think of how right now, but they're major of characters to just drop off the map.

I'm glad Arissya mentioned Grawp. I haven't seen him mentioned anywhere else here (though I could have just overlooked it). His introduction into the story most likely isn't just by chance and I think he'll be a major part eventually. I also think its possible that other characters such as Victor Krum may pop their head up again as well.

I see two possibilities for Draco. Either A) he goes off to continue Voldemort's bidding in darkness, kind of leaving an open end to the story, or B) he finally gets some senses and ultimately helps Harry defeat Voldemort.

georgia
July 1st, 2003, 5:05 am
*Book 6: I think Percy is gonna get whats owing him!!! But - i think that at the last minute he'll retract all the nasty things he said & join the order! Perhaps his death comes about with him saving Mr Weasley's life at the hands of Fudge??-ironic i know! For some reason I'm praying that Sirius isnt gone - just in a parrallel void cause he wasnt actually struck down with the avada kedavra-(sorry if i spelt it wrong) & he comes back headstrong to do away with Bellatrix - or Harry avenging his death brings Sirius back - or Dumbledore somehow sacrifices his life for Sirius to come back (since he blames himself for Padfoot's death) Obviously i'm obsessed with the hunky Sirius to come back!!!!

chochang2021
July 1st, 2003, 1:48 pm
I think Cho Chang and dumbledore will die. I think cho will kill herself, she's got the tendency, like her emotional breakdown and so on. And I think Dumbledore will die, because then, Harry has to fight voldemort alone.

whizbang121
July 1st, 2003, 3:34 pm
I hope there are no suicides. But Cho may definitely die killing Wormtail to avenge Cedric. Or maybe one of Cedric's parents will do him in.

As for Voldemort dying in bk6. Maybe they think he's dead, but .....

fairylights
July 1st, 2003, 4:42 pm
harry is sooo not ready to face voldemort on his own, and eventually he is going to have to step up and try it at least. in the end he either has to kill him or have nobody left to step in and help him. if harry kills v in book7, then lupin, minerva and/or dumbledore is safe. someone he trusts must be there to teach him (and teach him a LOT) in the next 2 years if he is to kill V. but all of them will not necessarily survive. one would be enough.

if V is going to kill Harry, then it means he didn't learn enough to kill him, or that there was no adult there to save him at the last minute. don't get me wrong, the boy does put up a fight, but the kids would have been cooked if the grown-ups hadn't arrived in OotP. If the books end in harry dying, then dumbledore and lupin probably snuffed it too. And remember Dumbledore saying how he should have taught Harry occulemcy or whatever himself. If Harry is to die he didn't learn enough from D and that would suggest D died.

it might be that he dies because the adults didn't get to him in time in the end. i can picture the kids having their last hurrah and one by one getting blasted until it's just harry and then kaboom. and then neville survives to tell the sorry tale, maybe even take V by surprise and finish him.

it's hard to tell but i think everyone else's fate is tied in to harry's own.

whizbang121
July 1st, 2003, 5:20 pm
Fairylights,

Wow! Only Neville left standing. sigh Well, we have a wait to find out. I think it took us a little longer to kill everyone off in the "who will die in book 5" thread but we seem to have raced to the finish in this thread.

Well, I think Harry is equipped to face Voldemort. He's done it several times already. (It was the death eaters the DA really needed rescuing from.) It has been suggested that the reason Harry and Voldemort can't seem to do each other in has to do with their wands and that Harry will have to find a form of wandless magic to kill Voldemort. Even still, they seem deeply connected through Harry's scar. I think that in the end, Harry will be unable to kill even Voldemort who will die by his own pride or foolishness. He seems to screw up a lot. Perhaps he'll fall headlong through the veil. This doesn't mean Harry will survive the war, though. He may defeat the dark lord and still die. Perhaps it will be only one left standing when the dust settles. I wouldn't be surprised if it's Dumbledore.

NeedAM!nT
July 1st, 2003, 8:13 pm
I think Wormtail might hurt/kill Lupin with that stupid silver arm. Voldemort gave it to him for a reason. Rowling could have just said "Voldemort have Wormtail a new arm."

I think one of the Weasleys will die. Maybe one of the parents, or Percy. The parents are in the Order, and are close to Harry so Voldemort would kill them to get to Harry. Percy might be offered power by Voldemort. (Remember the book he was reading in CoS? "Prefects who gained power!") Percy might realize what he did was wrong, and try to undo it. Maybe Voldemort was planning to kill his family, so Percy tried to stop him and gets killed.

I think Dumbledore might die at the end of the 7th book, trying to defend Harry from Voldemort. He might be able to give Harry strength from beyond the grave, allowing Harry to defeat Voldemort.

Sarmi
July 1st, 2003, 8:32 pm
After OotP, I don't know who's going to die.

I never expect Sirius to die in OotP, but when spoilers were coming out I did guess that Sirius would be the one to kick the bucket.

I see some have suggested that they think Lupin will die, I don't think so. JKR likes him a lot and has said that he is in all seven books. So he may die in the 7th book, but we just don't know now.

As for who I think will die next. That is where I am stumped.

Any one of the Weasley's is a prime candidate, but not too likely. Tonks, Mad-Eye, Dobby, Winky, Dumbledore, Flitwick, McGonagall, Fudge, Hagrid etc. are good contenders for the next death.

I just can't wait for the next book! :)

Sarmi

GilyAnn
July 2nd, 2003, 3:27 am
Death in this book is the one thing I don't like to think much about it. It depress me so much!

georgia
July 2nd, 2003, 4:14 am
Have to agree with you there gilyann; JKR writes her characters so well that that you feel as if you personally know them - then when she snuff's them out you feel at a loss on how to deal (even with nasty people like Snape - he rocks!)

Sirius dying was awful - nevermind he's practically everybody's favourite, but he was the only character who pretty much reflected Harry's mentality (act first - think later)

I'm praying that he comes back - just cause he's the best & also due to what Luna said regarding death & it not being the end!

I also think that the circumstances in which he died weren't quite right! - It just kind of ended all of the sudden leading me to believethat Sirius himself has unresolved issues to pursue such as Bellatrix; Peter; Harry; Kreacher?????

whizbang121
July 2nd, 2003, 6:11 am
Maybe they'll hang his portrait at the OotP headquarters and be able to talk to him the way Dumbledore can talk to the portraits of past headmasters. That would be cool. Not a ghost, or an echo, a portrait.

Ali1024
July 2nd, 2003, 6:38 am
I was just thinking... Mabye the prophecy will be wrong, and both Harry and Voldy will die at the hands of each other, but this will turn out to be a happy ending for Harry. Appart from leaving all his friends, he'll be reunited with his parents, Sirius, and any of the future victims of death. If Harry's parents are what he wants most then this will be the best ending for him, right? Mabye this will reveal what is really beyond the veil.

FleetAdmiralJ
July 2nd, 2003, 9:25 am
somehow people dying never seems happy. everyone said titanic had a happy ending, and i was like "she died..." and they're all like "yeah! they're together now again" and i was just like "whatever" lol if they die they die. i dont see it as happy in any way lol

Darthsky
July 2nd, 2003, 12:35 pm
peter perigrew will die for harry.

Kizz
July 2nd, 2003, 2:00 pm
I like the bloodbath idea. After the Fountain of Magical Brethern duel I think Firenze is a gonna sometime.

Hopefully the threat of a million fans turning up in Edinburgh with cods, haddocks and hairy Anglers to slap JKR round the face should save Lupin, otherwise we'll see him the other side of the veil.

whizbang121
July 2nd, 2003, 3:01 pm
Originally posted by Darthsky (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=413400#post413400))
peter perigrew will die for harry.


I don't think he has a choice. He owes Harry a life debt. But it would be nice if he had a change of heart.

Omi
July 2nd, 2003, 3:08 pm
Originally posted by Andrew00 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=406856#post406856))
Now, this may sound a little strange to some.. But think about it.
Seven Books dedicated to writing about Voldemort and resisting his evil. That sounds pretty boring. I mean, JK probably thought that too. So, what if in book seven something happens; Something unexpected.

I think that there is a big chance voldemort will die in book 6. Perhaps by Harry or Dumbledore. But, what if there is a new appointed evil. Someone whom you would least expect...who would fill voldemorts role of destruction??


what do you think?


actually that doesnt sound bad

I can see Voldie being defeated, and a death eater taking his place.
I was thinking somewhere along those lines before, I thought when voldie dies, whats stopping the death eaters of taking his place?

Lady of Rohan
July 2nd, 2003, 3:29 pm
I have a feeling that Neville will die. I think that he will come face to face with B. Lestrange (sp?), adn then he will kill her, and then Voldemort will kill him.

xxxxFaithxxxx
July 2nd, 2003, 4:57 pm
I don't think that Neville will die because he was really important what with the prophecy, and so he will probably feature as a character for quite a while. I think that it will probable be one of harry's other school friends such as Dean Thomas!

whizbang121
July 3rd, 2003, 3:12 pm
Originally posted by Andrew00 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=406856#post406856))


I think that there is a big chance voldemort will die in book 6. Perhaps by Harry or Dumbledore. But, what if there is a new appointed evil. Someone whom you would least expect...who would fill voldemorts role of destruction??


what do you think?


Son of Voldy. :wow: I wonder if they'll think he's gone, but he'll just come back bigger and better, (and angrier). Whether he's the last descendant or the last ancestor of Slytherin, (and don't even get me started on that one) the point is he's the last ..... I hope.

For some reason, this reminds me of the scene when Dumbledore pokes a little instrument on his desk and a smokey thing come out. Dumbledore says something like, "In essense, divided."

fairylights
July 3rd, 2003, 9:45 pm
At what point do you think the students are going to find out about the prophecy? And when they do, think Neville might take it on himself to take on Voldie?

whizbang121
July 3rd, 2003, 10:00 pm
By himself?!! I know Neville has problems with what the death eaters did to his family, but I hope he's not so foolish as to go looking for Voldemort alone. That said, could he be put under the imperious?

As for the prophecy, Dumbledore played it back for Harry in front of all the portraits of past headmasters. Who knows where the information will end up. Perhaps in the inbox on Voldemort's desk?

fairylights
July 3rd, 2003, 10:07 pm
Well, the headmaster that was related to Sirius could tell Kreacher I suppose, and get it to the Malfoys. And we know Draco loves to spread around rumours. I'd say Voldie has a fair idea what's in the prophecy already, though. He wouldn't keep trying to kill the boy if he didn't know he was a threat, especially as he doesn't seem to ever have much success with killing him.

Prof.Blink
July 3rd, 2003, 10:49 pm
i personally think that Neville will seek revenge, and hence kill Bellatrix Lestrange for torturing his parents.

i hate to say it but that would be justice!!!!!!!!

whizbang121
July 4th, 2003, 2:08 am
Okay, you guys are scaring me with all this about Neville going after DE on his own. They have to stay together and be a team. They are more effective if they stay together. If one of them goes off on their own, it puts everyone in danger. He has to keep his head.

baconcow
July 4th, 2003, 6:15 pm
In one of JK's interviews, she mentions that book 6 will be a lot smaller than book 5, yet book seven. I think that in book 6 there will not be a lot of deaths, but I do think one of the weasely's possibly Ginny (who has been built up a lot) will die. However, I don't think Ron or Hermione will die until at the most, book seven. Book seven, which is supposedly "massive" will probably have a large wizard battle, and many fatalities on both sides, ending in a Star Wars like battle between Harry and Voldemort (as with Luke and Vader... without the family inclusion).

fairylights
July 4th, 2003, 6:40 pm
Originally posted by whizbang121 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=419884#post419884))
They have to stay together and be a team. They are more effective if they stay together. If one of them goes off on their own, it puts everyone in danger. He has to keep his head.


Whatever about Neville, I really don't see Harry being a team and being level-headed. I mean, he should probably copped after Sirius died that his friends usually have a point when thy give him advice, that Hermione was right when she'd give out to him about not stopping his dreams. Yet he's still keeping secrets from him and all. He didn't tell them about the prophecy. If it was me, and I just heard I had the battle of the century coming up, I'd want help. Harry is more and more becoming inclined to go it alone. And this is going to put peoplein danger next book, I reckon. Maybe not get someone killed but I do have a feeling it'll get someone hurt at least.

whizbang121
July 5th, 2003, 2:30 am
Originally posted by baconcow (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=420793#post420793))
(as with Luke and Vader... without the family inclusion).


Are you sure? I'm not convinced that Lily isn't Tom Riddle's daughter, myself.

Or maybe she's Dumbledore's great granddaughter. Can't make up my mind which way I want to be wrong. :smile:

Lauren Strohfeldt
July 5th, 2003, 3:09 am
it will probly be sum1 important again like in the 5th book, and ill probly cry again

Turambar
July 5th, 2003, 8:44 am
The train began to move. Harry saw the boys' mother waving and their sister, half laughing, half crying, running to keep up with the train until it gathered too much speed, then she fell back and waved. Harry watched the girl and her mother disappear as the train rounded the corner. PS - Ginny.

'See you!' Harry called out of the open window as the train began to move, while Ron, Hermione and Ginny waved beside him. The figures of Tonks, Lupin, Moody and Mr and mrs Weasley shrank rapidly but the black dog was bounding alongside the window, wagging its tail; blurred people on the platform were laughing to see it chasing the train, then they rounded a bend, and Sirius was gone. OOTP - Sirius


Sorry if this has been brought up already but i noticed the similarity between these two passages and wondered if it could be foreshadowing for a Ginny death. A longshot, I know.

Max
July 5th, 2003, 8:54 am
No, I don't think that that's been brought up before -- good catch, Turambar. It may very well foreshadow a Ginny death, and it's all the more probable as most of us are starting to like Ginny more with her recent character development. We'll see ...

You-Know-Who
July 5th, 2003, 9:26 am
I'm hoping that Hagrid will die :yup:

AvadaKedavra
July 5th, 2003, 9:50 am
There WILL not be one 'death' - it's too unrealistic- I have read too many passages in the Books about Voldemort's 1st rise, and good quotes are found in Hagrid as he explains fully what Voldemort is in PS, and Arthur as he explains why there was such a frenzy over the death mark in GOF.

There will be many,many disappearances, deaths and tragedies. I expect many 'third' level characters to die- i.e. characters faintly mentioned somewhere in the books, or relatives of those faintly mentioned. Or parents of students.

There might be some 'second' level deaths, like I consider Cedric's was- i.e. Justin Finch Fletchley, or Ernie McMillian- possibly some of the members of the DA, and/or some of the Ootp- Kingsley, Emmeline, Hestia, and others....

I'm hoping not, but there may be one 'first' level death- and Harry does NOT need this as he will be hurting over Sirius BADLY. However, I have a nasty feeling as this is a time of war and chaos, that there will be indeed. My guess is anyones, but I do feel Hermione's parents will die- there were muggle killings in the 1st war "half of the muggle killings were done for fun" and it might give Harry the role of the supporter instead of the victim. (Makes a lot of leeway for H/Hr shippers out there- p.s I had a dream of Harry kissing Hermione and Ron walking in- it was so wicked)

I would LOVE to see at least one death eater snuff it- they're too evil- I want a realistic war guys- deaths ON BOTH SIDES!

Over to you guys.....

Erishon
July 5th, 2003, 11:36 am
In the sixth book Voldemort will be trying to gain power now that everyone knows he is back, instead of laying low from the ministry so as not to alert them of his return. This being said, the Wizarding World will probably be much as Hagrid described it in book one and there are many people I believe Voldemort is likely to target.

Susan Bones - Lets face it Susan Bones is everywhere. She's in the D.A, we heard her get sorted (Notice in the movies too she is the only other sorted First year besides the main characters and appears in nearly every classroom scene). We have found out that the Bonses whom Harry referred to were her Grandparents and that they were in the Order of the Phoenix, now we find out that her Aunt is a major person in the Ministry. I think if Voldemort starts targeting families to be killed then the Bones family may be one of the first to go.

Hermione's Parents - I have heard people say that Hermione's parents are non important and it has been said that they are only dentists, however more importantly they are Hermione's Parents. What better way to try and split the trio up than to target Hermione's parents and murder them, leaving some message for Harry so that he, and Hermione know, that they were targeted to get at Hermione. Surely this will make Hermione, who has always been the one to stand by Harry when he and Ron are not talking, to draw away from Harry in her grief perhaps blaming him for her parents’ death.

The Weasleys - It is likely one or more of the Weasleys will die. Being that a good part of the family are members of the Order it is likely that they will be a family that is targeted. Also they have become a kind of "Surrogate family" to Harry, treating them like one of their own and therefore would already be on Voldemort's targeted list.

AvadaKedavra
July 5th, 2003, 1:33 pm
To Erishon-What is left of the Bones? I think (if I am correct) that Madam Bones is Susan's aunt, and that her brother, Edgar was killed. (Moody's photo). Later in the book, Susan tells Harry that her uncle (presumably edgar) and her aunt (his wife) and her cousin were killed, so it looks like there are hardly any Bones left. However, Voldie could off Madam Bones and Susan's parents if there are any?

go_anna40
July 5th, 2003, 2:08 pm
I don't think another person will be killed, more like a lot more people. But I think it'll be people in the Order and people who are fighting against Voldermort.

Mrs. Weasly- She was a target ever since she met Harry. She's a motherly figure to Harry. Her death will shock a lot of people. It'll be a good read...

Dumbledore- He might die, but, he may not. He is after all one of the strongest wizards in the wizarding world. Voldermort is also scared of him. But it seems that he is getting older, with coming flaws, but, he's human.

Lupin/Tonks/Moody- They're in the Order, so they are really high on the hit list. Wouldn't be surprised if all three were killed, but I would hate that.

Hagrid- A friend to Harry and has been previously tricked by Voldermort, so he has a high chance too.

Ron/Hermione- I really doubt, but it could come. Rowling wouldn't kill her trio...would she?

Death Eaters- A few might doe from the counter attack, that's all, it's not if Voldermort will kill his most faithful followers.

Fudge- Hmmmm, he might die. He's a bit gullible and at the same point, he doesn't accept the truth. And he's blinded about how much he wants the MOM position and if Dumbledore is going to overthrow him might lead him to his death.

The Weasly children [excluding Ron]- Yes, they also have a pretty high chance of getting killed. Ginny has the highest chance, because she has been tricked by Voldermort. I think Fred, George and Percy have the least chance of dying. Charlie and Bill are in the Order, so that puts them in pretty high risk.

Neville- Yes, Neville has a chance too. He does seem vulnerable. And Bellatrix seems to be hunting for him, since she did tortue Neville's parents.

I guess everybody has a chance of dying.

FlyingPhoenix
July 5th, 2003, 3:00 pm
Originally posted by Turambar (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=423381#post423381))
The train began to move. Harry saw the boys' mother waving and their sister, half laughing, half crying, running to keep up with the train until it gathered too much speed, then she fell back and waved. Harry watched the girl and her mother disappear as the train rounded the corner. PS - Ginny.

'See you!' Harry called out of the open window as the train began to move, while Ron, Hermione and Ginny waved beside him. The figures of Tonks, Lupin, Moody and Mr and mrs Weasley shrank rapidly but the black dog was bounding alongside the window, wagging its tail; blurred people on the platform were laughing to see it chasing the train, then they rounded a bend, and Sirius was gone. OOTP - Sirius


Sorry if this has been brought up already but i noticed the similarity between these two passages and wondered if it could be foreshadowing for a Ginny death. A longshot, I know.


Very good point. I´m afraid I have to agree that sounds awule like a mirror scene. If this the case than I suppose that Ginny dies in book 7. Why? Because this scene was in PS/SS at the beginning so after that it have to be at the end off book 7. In Ootp was it at the beginning and Sirius died at the end. So this would make sense.

I do think that in book 6 will be more deads as one. I expect that something happens to Hermiones parents and to Rons parents. I don´t know if they die it could even be worst and they tortured.

Mutant for Hire
July 5th, 2003, 4:18 pm
Hate to say it, but Bill Weasley's death could be a really terrible tragedy to set up. The coolest and most handsome of the Weasley sons, with a wonderful future with Fleur, and for him to die would just be absolutely terrible. The question would be, before or after he gets married?

whizbang121
July 5th, 2003, 7:52 pm
Maybe it's Fleur who sets him up.

Rain
July 6th, 2003, 12:19 am
No offence people but have any of you noticed that Rowlings never kill the person we guess and hate. She always kill people we hate or don't except to die. She likes to think that this person is going to die and suddenly spring a person in the jaws of death, and that person is the person , whom we don't want to die or least except him.

Turambar
July 6th, 2003, 6:20 am
One thing that made Sirius' death a possibility before OOTP was the surplus of father/mentor figures: Sirius, Hagrid, Lupin, Arthur, Dumbledore.
Ginny is interesting in that she occupies the same territory as Hermione: we now after OOTP have two smart, strong-willed, talented female friends and potential romantic partners for Harry. In OOTP, while Ginny developed a great deal, Hermione was also developed and seemed to keep pace with Harry.
Can you really have two competing heroines/female leads? Or does one have to clearly be more significant than the other. Or will one live in the end and one die?
The widening of the trio to six friends and the DA seemed to mimic the older adult Order, centred around Harry rather than Dumbledore. As we know several of the older order were killed or tortured. It seems likely we will see a mixture of current order and younger order deaths/maimings.
I agree with the people who think Hermione's parents will be a target. If JKR wants to have a couple of Muggle murders they and the Dursleys are the obvious candidates. In OOTP we saw Hermione leaving her parents at Christmas and choosing to be with her friends and also at the end, leaving them again to go over to the group around Harry.

whizbang121
July 6th, 2003, 5:36 pm
:clappy: Yup, I think it's official. We've killed everybody in Book 6 in less than three weeks from the release of book 5.


My only hope is that someone who remembers the "whole" story will be left standing to tell it at the end.

Someone around here mentioned a prequel not too long ago. Think we can talk JKR into it?
:smile:

andreadelacour
July 6th, 2003, 8:07 pm
This is my prediction for book 6.

Harry, Neville, Ron, Ginny, Hermione, Lupin, Tonks, Luna, Fred, George, Dumbledore - ALIVE

Hagrid, Kingsley, Other OotP members, Many random lesser character deaths (Dean, Seamus, Hannah), Muggle parents - DEAD

Important Characters Coming In - Tonks, Neville, Luna, Dobby, Kreacher, Ginny.

The rest I haven't mentioned will all probably live like most of the Professors. I have a feeling Peeves will do something in the 6th book. I also have a feeling Dobby and the houseelves might come into play a lot in the 7th book, a bit in the 6th and Luna will definitely show what she's all about, so will Neville.

I am really speculating that Percy might have to turn on one of his parents and go over to the Dark Side, yes sad thought, but I really think this will happen.

Perhaps McGonagall will suffer extensive injuries. I think maybe Cho Chang will die also and cause a bit of a heart break from Harry.

Mutant for Hire
July 6th, 2003, 8:49 pm
Originally posted by Turambar (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=426578#post426578))
One thing that made Sirius' death a possibility before OOTP was the surplus of father/mentor figures: Sirius, Hagrid, Lupin, Arthur, Dumbledore.

I don't think Hagrid has ever been a father figure. And I'm not sure even now Arthur Weasley is that. But Sirius, Lupin and Dumbledore have always been mentor figures to Harry, for certain.

Ginny is interesting in that she occupies the same territory as Hermione: we now after OOTP have two smart, strong-willed, talented female friends and potential romantic partners for Harry. In OOTP, while Ginny developed a great deal, Hermione was also developed and seemed to keep pace with Harry.
Can you really have two competing heroines/female leads? Or does one have to clearly be more significant than the other. Or will one live in the end and one die?

Bear in mind we have a surplus of eligable bachelors around now, such as Ron and now that he's shaping up, Neville.

The widening of the trio to six friends and the DA seemed to mimic the older adult Order, centred around Harry rather than Dumbledore. As we know several of the older order were killed or tortured. It seems likely we will see a mixture of current order and younger order deaths/maimings.

Luna and Neville I think are both likely candidates there, though we might instead see a bunch of lesser figures in the DA dropping instead.

I agree with the people who think Hermione's parents will be a target. If JKR wants to have a couple of Muggle murders they and the Dursleys are the obvious candidates. In OOTP we saw Hermione leaving her parents at Christmas and choosing to be with her friends and also at the end, leaving them again to go over to the group around Harry.

Actually, there's a question of why doesn't Voldemort assassnate the Dursleys. Would the charm that protected Harry protect them as well? And there are ways to kill others besides magic.

Turambar
July 6th, 2003, 10:01 pm
Quoted by Mutant for Hire
Bear in mind we have a surplus of eligable bachelors around now, such as Ron and now that he's shaping up, Neville.
xxxxxx

Sure, but that still doesn't solve the dilemma I was referring to. There's a lot of unanswered questions about those two characters. If JKR goes R/Hr and H/G does Hermione stop being the female lead and the heroine? Does Ginny get developed to Hermione's level or surpass her? Either Ginny is put with someone else, say Neville and stays at a less significant level - i.e. taking up less time in the books, having a lesser role - than Hermione or something has to give.
I think either Hermione will be put with Harry and Ginny will stay at the friendship/general Weasley family level she is now or either Hermione or Ginny won't survive.

Earendil
July 6th, 2003, 11:18 pm
Originally posted by Turambar (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=423381#post423381))
The train began to move. Harry saw the boys' mother waving and their sister, half laughing, half crying, running to keep up with the train until it gathered too much speed, then she fell back and waved. Harry watched the girl and her mother disappear as the train rounded the corner. PS - Ginny.

'See you!' Harry called out of the open window as the train began to move, while Ron, Hermione and Ginny waved beside him. The figures of Tonks, Lupin, Moody and Mr and mrs Weasley shrank rapidly but the black dog was bounding alongside the window, wagging its tail; blurred people on the platform were laughing to see it chasing the train, then they rounded a bend, and Sirius was gone. OOTP - Sirius


Sorry if this has been brought up already but i noticed the similarity between these two passages and wondered if it could be foreshadowing for a Ginny death. A longshot, I know.


Turambar, that's a really interesting catch there. The similarities between the passages are startling. I think that a Weasley death is inevitable in the next two books, largely due to the chapter "The Woes of Mrs. Weasley" in OotP--there's too much foreshadowing in there for it to not amount to some loss in the Weasley family. Not too sure about the kind of impact Ginny's death would have overall, as we've already had some experience with this possibility in CoS, but it seems fairly obvious that the Weasleys will eventually lose one or more of their family members.

Mutant for Hire
July 6th, 2003, 11:21 pm
Originally posted by Turambar (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=428630#post428630))
Sure, but that still doesn't solve the dilemma I was referring to. There's a lot of unanswered questions about those two characters. If JKR goes R/Hr and H/G does Hermione stop being the female lead and the heroine? Does Ginny get developed to Hermione's level or surpass her? Either Ginny is put with someone else, say Neville and stays at a less significant level - i.e. taking up less time in the books, having a lesser role - than Hermione or something has to give.

The problem is finding a reason that Hermione's position can't give in this instance. I see no reason that Hermione *has* to remain the most important girl in Harry's life, at least on an emotional level. Harry has to remain the most important person in the series, it's his name on the cover, his story told from his POV, but short of that, there's no particular reason I can see why Hermione can't just go to being the best female friend of Harry's and Ginny becomes his girilfriend.

I think either Hermione will be put with Harry and Ginny will stay at the friendship/general Weasley family level she is now or either Hermione or Ginny won't survive.

Well, if Hermione dies then she becomes a little less important in the series and someone else takes over. I don't see her having to die as the only alternative to not being Harry's girl.

Ecthelion
July 6th, 2003, 11:49 pm
originally posted in the post above me
The problem is finding a reason that Hermione's position can't give in this instance. I see no reason that Hermione *has* to remain the most important girl in Harry's life, at least on an emotional level.

See, the problem is that Hermione, at this point, is the most important girl in Harry's life and has been for 5 years now. That unspoken title cannot be given up so easily. If Ginny or even someone else comes in and takes that position, it would be way to sudden and would create some instant confrontations, because Hermione would know this apparent change in stature, and would probably not accept it. You can't have the type of relationship Harry and Hermione have and replace it so quickly. The only way it can do so is if Hermione makes a big mistake, or by some means, a rift is caused between them. Which at this point, I don't see happening. There were a million chances Hermione could have let Harry go, and have him distance himself further, and further away from her....but she didn't. And I see no reason she's going to now. As for me, I always see Hermione being the most important girl in Harry's life, even if he has a different girlfriend.

Turambar
July 7th, 2003, 2:34 am
Well that's right Ecthelion. There's a lot of H/Hr togetherness in OOTP and while JKR has developed Ginny she has developed Hermione as well, rather than diluting her relationship with Harry.
And clearly JKR is quite aware of this issue because in the last two books she has shown Krum get jealous of Harry over Hermione and Cho get jealous of Hermione over Harry. Showing the impact of the H/Hr friendship in their relationships with other people.
Basically because Harry is the main character, his romance is the most important, any long-term girlfriend (as opposed to the Cho crush) would have to be the most significant female character and the most significant female character to him. Hermione is his best female friend.
Earendil: It's interesting that we didn't see either Ginny or Hermione dead in that boggart scene.

harryfantotheend
July 7th, 2003, 3:39 am
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS...
hey, i could be wrong...but...this is my prediction...
The prophecy is really neville!!!
Look:
Harry tries to kill voldie in a huge battle. "V" then kills harry :'(
Voldie thinks that he killed "His Equal" but then Neville comes in, and then kills Voldemort...not because he thought he had to, because he was "defending"his friend. And now, even though Harry and a lot of people thought Harry was Voldemort's equal, it was truly Neville. Am I making sense? I hope so...oh well...

Max
July 7th, 2003, 10:01 am
One big problem, though, harryfantotheend: The books are from Harry's POV, so if Harry's killed, how would he be able to see Neville defeat Voldemort, unless he comes back as a sort of ghost or something, but that would be very anti-climatic, wouldn't it? The Books can't end with Harry dying -- it would just leave the story hanging there, as we see the Harry Potter books through Harry's eyes.

too_wicked
July 7th, 2003, 10:19 am
Sorry if this has been brought up already but i noticed the similarity between these two passages and wondered if it could be foreshadowing for a Ginny death. A longshot, I know.

That was interesting Turambar! JK's style of writing the deaths IMO begins with developing that character and making everyone like that person then kills him or her. Pretty cruel I know but that's how I see it, I may be wrong of course. It's just that, in GoF, everybody liked Cedric. JK developed his character in PoA towards book 4 then kills him in a very quick, sudden way by the end of GoF. Sirius on the one hand was developed too in OotP, much more developed than the two previous books. We found out a lot of things about him, his family, his teenage life, etc. Then by the end, JK whacks him off with another sudden, quick death like Cedric's in GoF. It's really possible she'll do the same with Ginny. We all learned to really like her in OotP, much more than any other characters that were developed in the fifth book. I hate to think of this but maybe JK's going to kill her too in the same manner as she killed Cedric and Sirius, quick and sudden.

But still, Ginny had her fifteen minutes of fame in CoS, so she might be spared in future books.

In fact Ginny's death IMO is the biggest slap to the Weasley clan. She's the youngest, the only girl, the one everybody wants to protect.

Camo
July 7th, 2003, 10:55 am
I can't help but thinking that Dumbledore will die somewhere before Harry and Voldy. I don't know why but i just do.

That Ginny theory though is a good one.

Puffskein
July 7th, 2003, 11:35 am
Now that Voldemort's back, nobody is safe, but the OOTP isn't as outnumbered as they were the first time round. I expect we will see the war affecting students, with family members killed etc. A thought: Sirius died because of his personality (and Dumbledore's, and Harry's) - is there anyone else whose character traits might cause their death? Will Hagrid's recklessness with monsters kill him? Snape's vindictiveness? Lupin's desperation to keep his friends? Molly's excessive motherliness?

FlyingPhoenix
July 7th, 2003, 12:07 pm
Mmmh, well nice posts and nice theorys but one point wasn´t here and I think its quiet interest who and how they were injured in DoM. First Hermione was knocked out, Neville had a big nose, Ron was strange in his mind and Ginnys ankle was broken.

Now lets see we know that Hermione and Ron won´t die till book 7. But whats with Neville and Ginny. Both were able to do things right though both needed help. Ginny by walking and Nevile by spells. Its very possible that both die in book 6. Ah, don´t flame me now. We all know that book 6 will really dark and that there are more deaths as in GoF and OotP the only book who count more deaths will be book 7. Lets face it there are some people who could really good died in this two books and on top of this list is by me: Mrs Weasley, Charly and not Bill, Ginny, Neville, Cho, Hermione, Mad eye.

Well pretty much Weasley I´m really sorry but there are to many possibles I think it will be one or two Weasleys. Now about Cho. I need to explain this one. We saw that Harry was guilty or felt guilty for Cedrics and now for Sirius death. Now I ask myself we know that Hermione is someone who cares much about people what if she do something whats kinda like failing. This I think only because she was to often right in OotP. Somehow she have to fail in future in a point and I expect the worst of scenarios. I expect that she fails to save someone and my guess its Cho.

This would built a interest path to see that Harry felt guilt for Cedrics dead and Hermione for Chos. Its quiet possible.

You-Know-Who
July 7th, 2003, 1:57 pm
Originally posted by Max (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=430518#post430518))
One big problem, though, harryfantotheend: The books are from Harry's POV, so if Harry's killed, how would he be able to see Neville defeat Voldemort, unless he comes back as a sort of ghost or something, but that would be very anti-climatic, wouldn't it? The Books can't end with Harry dying -- it would just leave the story hanging there, as we see the Harry Potter books through Harry's eyes.


Not entirely true, there are two instances where a part of the story wasn't from Harry's POV. One was the first chapter of the Philosopher's Stone and the second one was in the PS as well, during the second Quidditch match.

FlyingPhoenix
July 7th, 2003, 2:09 pm
Not entirely true, there are two instances where a part of the story wasn't from Harry's POV. One was the first chapter of the Philosopher's Stone and the second one was in the PS as well, during the second Quidditch match
You might be right but the problem is that Harry was always alive. You know there isn´t a part where its before his birth. Its still somehow through Harrys POV but I prefer more to say its like a camera which follows Harry and than and whan turns to something whats interest, too.
This explain why we not always get Harrys feelings. If we are always in his head always see things through his eyes we did always exactly know what he feels but we don´t do that. We get some sights of his heart and some outside of him and again some where he isn´t even there but still alive. I hope that was clear. I´m not that good in explaining.

sindatur
July 7th, 2003, 4:40 pm
Well, I have now changed my final showdown scenario in Book 7, slightly. I still believe, stronger than ever now that NEville will end up being the Gryffindor Heir, but, now I think he'll take the final crack at Voldemort, and die, and then Harry will finish Voldemort off.

Animal Luver
July 7th, 2003, 4:55 pm
I think Dumbledore, Hagrid, or Mcgonngal might die. :(

Ecthelion
July 7th, 2003, 5:19 pm
Well, I have now changed my final showdown scenario in Book 7, slightly. I still believe, stronger than ever now that NEville will end up being the Gryffindor Heir, but, now I think he'll take the final crack at Voldemort, and die, and then Harry will finish Voldemort off.

Now that is something I can believe much more than the alleged Neville is the prophecy guy....because Harry is. After all, these books are about Harry, not Neville, and it would not make sense to have him, all of a sudden after seven books of building Harry's character and sending him through memorable missions.....he is replaced by a person whom has appeared in the 5th book as a secondary character. It wouldn't be right!

However, him being the hier of gryffindor (as much as I dislike the "heir'' theories) is much more plausible and acceptable. Especially with him dying and all and Harry taking over from there. No matter what, Harry is going to have to have the final row with Voldie.

As for me, I see Neville's limelight being interwoven with that :censored: of a women called Bellatrix. Despite Harry's loss of Sirius, Neville still has much more to revenge than Harry....just look at his parents. I also can see him battling with Bellatrix while Harry goes off to find Voldemort, the person whom he has to revenge more the most....just look at his parents...

whizbang121
July 7th, 2003, 5:47 pm
Originally posted by sindatur (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=430988#post430988))
Well, I have now changed my final showdown scenario in Book 7, slightly. I still believe, stronger than ever now that NEville will end up being the Gryffindor Heir, but, now I think he'll take the final crack at Voldemort, and die, and then Harry will finish Voldemort off.



Oooo Interesting. Neville the heir of Gryffindor. Hmmmmmmmm...

Marshal
July 7th, 2003, 9:48 pm
My money was on Albus last book...but after the most recent death, I don't think JK is going to deal Harry another emotional blow of that magnitude...I just don't think he could take it.

I think Arthur Weasly will die in the next one.

whizbang121
July 8th, 2003, 4:37 pm
There is war going on. Much as I hate the bloodbath scenarios, war always means death. I'm going to start on the fanfic as soon as I finish mys second read. Hope there are lots of prequels and comedies starring Fred and George, because I'm afraid bk 6 will be heartbreaking.

sindatur
July 8th, 2003, 6:27 pm
Hi Marshal,

Why would Arthur dying be any less horrible for Harry than Dumbledore dying? I think they should carry equal weight for Harry personally, and factor in the Weasley family, and I think Arthur would be more horrible than Dumbledore, as far as impacting Harry.

fairylights
July 8th, 2003, 8:42 pm
Albus seems like a man on his way out. There are so many references to him being tired and looking old. I think he's going to die of old age. But I think he'll make himself hang on til after Harry has defeated Voldemort for good. I don't know why, I just think saying as he's the only one Voldemort ever feared and he knows so much more about everything than everyone else that he will will himself to live until he has passed on all he knows and no longer has to worry about Voldemort. I can picture Harry arriving back to Hogwarts after his final duel and finding Albus on his deathbed, just waiting to say goodbye.

Tessa
July 9th, 2003, 1:53 am
I think it pays to look at the wording of some of the parts in the book, and I"m referring here to the prophecy. 'The boy who has the power to VANQUISH the Dark Lord approaches...' notice the wording here. Harry has this power to vanquish - where does he get it?

Also, the evesdropper on the prophecy - Peter Pettigew or Mundungus - after all, Mundungus was thrown from the Hogs Head 20 years ago.

When Voldermort was talking about his loyal Death Eaters in Goblet of Fire, he mentioned a few...'one has returned to my service, and it is through him that.....one, I feel who has left me forever, he will be killed of course...' it is with this I think of Snape, and his being killed.
And I would really like to know how he got the Marauder's Map back?

Turambar
July 9th, 2003, 3:31 am
If Dumbledore is the man Voldie fears most but Harry is the one who has to defeat him, doesn't Harry have to become the flag-bearer for the good side? Can he be the great hero with DD still there? Or is DD dying before Harry defeats Voldie too Star Wars, too cliched?
Tessa: if Snape is the one whom Voldie thinks has left him, why is Snape still in favour with the Malfoys?

Ame
July 9th, 2003, 5:02 am
Ever since the end of book 4, I have believed that Dumbledore will eventually die by the end of the 7th book. There are so many refrences of him looking old and tired.

As for anyone else, for some reason, I rule out anyone who has had a near death experience. It seems too obvious, like if Mr. Weasley was to die... it would be like "well he was attacked and almost killed before."

I don't know why but I wouldn't be surprsied if Mrs. Weasley was to die, or a secondary character from the Order like Kingsley. Or, even more so Fudge's death wouldn't surprise me one bit. He wants so desperately to live in blissful ignorance... I belive that will lead him to his own demise.

As for students, I hate to think of a student dying. Perhaps Luna, though. Her statement about seeing the dead again just left me with chills... But I hope she doesn't die, I really like her.

AvadaKedavra
July 9th, 2003, 2:23 pm
The prophecy was made a full 16 yrs ago. Harry isn't 20 is he???? So it could'nt have been Mundungus- nice try thou

WinkyGranger
July 9th, 2003, 4:10 pm
Well, before I read the fifth book, it seemed as though there was no way that Harry would be killed off, but now there's a fifty-fifty chance of that happening. We know that the last word in the series is scar, so the last sentence could be something like: and for the last time, harry felt a pain shoot through his scar. That could also mean that Harry kills Voldemort, but as of now, there's no way of knowing. Dumbledore may die, but right now, I'm not sure. Another Weasley is probably going to die, for sure, and possibly a few more members of the order of the phoenix.

groovychick
July 9th, 2003, 4:28 pm
Do we know if any one will die de in 6? Well I suppose with a war going on there has to be casulties. I don't want anyone to die not after losing Sirius:'(

The Forest Keeper
July 9th, 2003, 6:17 pm
Here is a list of who i think will die

Albus Dumbledore: The prophecy he read himself said that voldemort can only be killed by Harry, and vice versa. Therefore Dumbledore will probably die in a fight.
Possible Death- 7th Book

Severus Snape: He is the order's link to Voldemort, plus i think he will probably turn out to be more freindly to Harry as the Books go on. He will probably die saving Harry.
Possible Death-6th or 7th

Hermione Granger: She is a mudblood, so Voldemort would probably choose to kill her if she was captured. A little less likely though.
Possible Death- 7th Book

A Weasly Kid: I'm sure that one of the weasleys will die because their so many of them, plus their all in danger of dying being so close to Harry. Ginny is the least likely of the bunch, With Bill being the most likely.
Possible Death- 6 or 7th book

On one more note, Harry will be able to communicate with Sirius, for i'm sure the Veil will come into future books. Those are just a few thoughts...

tuvas
July 9th, 2003, 6:39 pm
My thoughts on book 6 deaths is there will be few if any major characters, maybe Lupid and one of the Weasleys, but that's about the extent of my guess.

Book 7 everyone is possible. I forsee a Hamlet being played out, many characters dying. I have a suspicion that the Dursleys'll be among them, Dumbledoor's almost a certainty, Harry's a definate possibility, Hermione and Ron maybe, any of the teachers (Hagrid?), death eaters themselves of course, basically if the person's mentioned in the books there's a chance that they'll die in book 7. Hmmm. Well, that's my thoughts on the matter, wonder if I'm even close.

Other theories I've heard not online is that Dumbledoor's going to die next book. I don't believe it, but hey, I thought I'd post it here anyways. Still, I think Dumbledoor's almost certainly a goner at some point in time.