Percy Ignatius Weasley -- where to now?

Oh dear. Percy is in a pickle. Now that the Ministry changed its stand, what is our dear Percy going to do? Will he acknowledge his errors and return to the Weasley fold? Will he be too proud and continue marching onwards, continuing to snub his family? Will he keep his job in Fudge's office?

Bring your speculating on the future of Percy here. :)

Percy's got more "reason" to be a Death Eater now, but the predictability level seems a bit silly. My best bet is that he'll continue to work with the Ministry, very quietly, at least for the time being. I don't think it's completely sealed with Dumbledore just yet. Fudge isn't going to let all that's happened slide by, will he? We don't have the issue of Sirius and Snape working together anymore - that hurts - but we could see something just barely similar in Dumbledore and Fudge. Not similar at all, really, as it's one-sided and Fudge probably does know better, but if he did things without consulting Dumbledore, or things he knew Dumbledore didn't want done...

Where was I? Oh. My gut feeling is that he's likely to become a Death Eater, but there are other possibilities, and I'm not willing to condemn him that far just yet. If he comes back to the Weasleys, I think it'll be gradual. His mother may be willing to let him back, but she's the only one, and with his own ambition and pride, he wouldn't be too keen to either. I don't know what to think.

Part of me wishes he was under the imperius curse but I don't think he was. This wasn't a new development. He was always ashamed of his father's position in the MoM.

I think he'll slowly return but not quite apologise for his errors. Perhaps he'll start with Ron and Molly. It'll take some time to patch things up with Arthur.
I'm rather disturbed he didn't visit his dad in the hospital.

Percy will become bitter, as the twins achieve success with the joke shop, Ron becomes the better quidditch/prefect. His own career will go down the tube as people realise that Fudge is useless and is voted out of office.
But he will not go back to the Burrow - do you think the Percy hand has been removed from the weasley clock?

I don't think he'll go crawling back to his family. He has too much pride for that. At best his parents are the only ones that will welcome him back, he'll have to earn his way back with the rest of the kids. He won't be willing to do that.

My feeling is that he'll continue to work for the ministry, but he won't return fully to the family. Becoming a death eater is a possibility, but not one I'm fond of.

The pompous, sycophantic snot-rag! I thought Percy might side with the Ministry, but didn't imagine what depths of sucking-up he'd sink to.

My theory? Percy will come strutting back to the family, eager to 'forgive' them for their bad behavior to him. (Inky kicks Percy's behind.)

Percy has made some very bad CHOICES! He is sich a "Social Climber"!I hope for the young readers sake, JKR makes him accountable for his choices. Additionally, I hope for the young readers get the message of "repentance and forgiveness" with the Percy storyline. His betraying his family and DD and all that he was so privalged to have been given by DD and MCGonnagal at Hogwarts is disturbing and that storyline must be completed. There must be CONSEQUENCES for Percy.

Can't really begin to predict what those will be, JKR is NOT predictable!

The message of "repentance/forgiveness" is one that is soooo needed in this world today. Will literature be used to remind pop culture of that??? Only JKR knows! The incredible responsibility that has developed for JKR as a result of the "Phenom", Harry Potter! I am continually amazed at how many life lessons can be derived and used by parents and educators from this incredible series. Again, hats off to JKR! Definatley a "Phenominal Woman". Thank you also JKR, for continuing to be so "humble" about it in your interviews. GO GIRL! No amount of money or success can make a person "good". Thanks for using your success and money for the "greater good." Hopefully Percy will learn that lesson or suffer the appropriate CONSEQUENCES.

Originally posted by hermiones mum (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=387599#post387599))
But he will not go back to the Burrow - do you think the Percy hand has been removed from the weasley clock?


No matter how much he has Hurt Molly, I'm sure she still wants to know that he's Safe, I think he Is still present on the Weasley Clock, Though I'm Sure the Picture is Quite disgruntled at being there.

Wouldn't Adding Harry, and the Order to the Clock be useful? Then hang it in The Kitchen at Headquarters. then you always know don't cha?

Which side is the Ministry really on? I'm still not completely convinced that Fudge and his cronies are totally on DD's side. There's just something unsettling about the way they all acted, and how Umbridge did everything in her power to discredit Harry and cover up everything that was contrary to what Fudge wanted everyone to believe. I don't see why he would so passionately deny everything Harry said unless he had some sort of motive for masking information about V's return...and I don't think that motive was to prevent panic in the wizarding world.

So that brings me back to Percy...do you think he'll make up with his family now that Fudge has released the information that V has returned? Or will Fudge continue to be a "bump in the road" for the Order and others who are fighting against V, and will Percy follow him like a lost puppy dog?

i remember someone predicting Percy changing sides
I think he has/will

Percy will be with the Ministry until he dies - I don't think he'll go over to Lord Thingy's side. But... if the Ministry becomes misguided, he might accidentally help Voldie...

I agree in thinking that Fudge isn't totally on DD's side. Fudge is an arrogant MoM, he won't believe it until he sees it. And he is paranoid that DD want to overthrow him and take his job.
Anyway- Percy. Now that they realize that Voldy is really back I think he will stay loyal to Fudge, but make up with his family. But I doubt he'll be useful to the Order, I don't think he'd like it since Fudge isn't(and probably won't ever be) a member.

I think that Percy will go with whomever can grant him the most power. Do I think that he would willingly go to the bad side? No..but I wouldnt be suprised if he was lured there....and wasn't aware of what was happening...

well now that the ministry has had to concede, i think it means percy will have to eat a lot of humble pie and make many apologies. there are so many burnt bridges, maybe his pride may stop him from apologising- maybe he will be cast out- but i just dont see Molly letting that be the case.

I think, now that Fudge has seen that Voldemort is really back, he has atleast changed sides to DD. There may be a few who don't come as redily, but that wont last long. I suspect, now that Voldemort is known now, he will put his plans into full swing very soon. Those who aren't conviced will come over rather quick (or meet a sticky end).

Percy, being as loyal as he is to Fudge, probably announced his movement back to Dumbledore's side immidiatly after Fudge.

You're all assuming that Fudge has to side with either DD or Lord Thingy (love that name). I personally have my own suspicions about Fudge that I need to flesh out more fully before posting.

Let's just say that everything the Quibbler publishes may not be lies..........

Percy was always resentful about his fathers lack of ambition, his only real fault is his drive to suceed. I don't think it is a thirst for power but as said earlier its a climb up the social ladder, to be seen as successful. Percy wants to better himself but it is the cost of his actions which disturb us - he betters himself by betraying friends and family, is that unforgivable? However hard it could be to regain trust from his siblings a mothers love will never die - Molly will always have a place for Percy and hopefully we will see some kind of redemption for him. He isn't the worst character in the world and you certainly couldn't call him evil. I think Percy is a reflection of the majority of us - we dare to suceed and better ourselves, but it is the way we go about it that decides how we are perceived by the rest of the world. Percy just made some seriously bad choices that all. I think now the ministry is back on side he will see the light and return to the fold.

I don't care what Percy does, as long as he apologizes to his poor mother. Creep.

He is going to have to do something pretty heroic to placate his siblings. His parents may forgive, him but the rest of the red heads never will.

I think he is going to aid the Minstry in untentionally giving Voldemort everything he wants on a silver platter.

I couldnt believe how Percy acted in this book. I figured he would side with Fudge because of his need for power and everything, but he was a downright snotrag! That letter he wrote to Ron just threw me over the edge. I dont think Percy will ever be on my good side again...

I have always thought in the end that "blood was thicker than water," but I have been proven wrong on TWO accounts. Not only Percy but Sirius's cousin. Hope that Persy does not turn out like bellitrice. (Whoe bad spelling) What an evil chick.

OK, so what's Percy gonna do now? He pledged his allegiance to Fudge and the ministry, denounced his parents, Harry and Dumbledore as liars and now... it turns out that he was wrong. Oops.

So what's Percy going to do?

Go back crawling to Dumbledore et al?

Or go to the dark side on us? :devil:

I think the Ministry will change to DD side. And if they do that...Percy will follow the same suit. Percy would do practically whatever Fudge wants him to do...Fudge says jump, Percy will ask how high? As long as he doesn't get confused and goes onto Voldie's side.

I was shocked but not shocked when I read that Percy was with the Ministry and divided with his parents. I kind of suspected it would happen after GoF because he was like "Mr. Crouch this, Mr. Crouch that" but it made me sad because most of the Weasley family is in the Order. I don't really know--maybe he'll become Minister?

Hmm... maybe this should be joined up with this thread (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11276)?

Anyway, I found it really sad that Percy hates his family. I was hoping that he'd come back when Arthur was injured, but no. He even gave back the Weasley jumper! Oh, and I was so convinced that Percy would side with his family in this book. :(

Hmm, yeah, don't know how I missed that thread... I must be going blind!

Percy is primed to become a Death Eater. Think about it. He's easily manipulated, he grasps onto other's opinions and takes them for fact. He's ambitious and wants to make a name for himself. If Voldemort or a high-ranking Death Eater approached him and told him the power he could have, I find it hard to believe he would not be tempted.

Percy proved himself to be the perfect little MoM drone that I expected. Whatever Fudge said was right with no respect for his parents, or the fact that they just might have a clue as to what was going on. After all HE was at Hogwarts when Harry saved his sister.

Percy is dumbly following the ranks of his superiors and has now found out that people in charge sometimes DON'T tell the truth, or don't even want to admit the truth.

I'm scared to think what will happen to Percy....I was completely shocked at what he did to his parents...what a prat. But I think he might become evil...I know it's bad but it might happen...possible will happen.

I think Fudge has his own agenda, and there's more to him than meets the eye. If anything, Percy's loyalty may have garnered him an even more prestigious position within Fudge's office. I wouldn't be surprised if he got Umbridge's old position of Senior Undersecretary.

As I have said in other posts, I'm working on a theory about Fudge. I think we'll see alot more of him. I believe by the end of this we could be looking at a 3-sided war.

Percy and Fudge...Hmmm, you may have something there. I want Fudge to go down in flames! Also, does anyone see a comparison between Percy and Peter Petigrew/wormtail? I see some very easy manipulations of Percy as stated above. That's what made me think of the Wormtail/Percy comparison???

Hmmmmm his ambition and desire for status, recognition and authority could take him to the dark side! Darth VADOR!!! Surely, he'll somehow be redeemed in some way. He's and ungrateful, condescending snot! I want to spank his bootie, ground him to his room and make him read real life stories about people with no real material "riches" who accomplished great things for the society then send him to the mission to do some volunteer work just so he can see how lucky he really is!

What do you all think?

Personally I think we will see Percy go dark side on us. Molly might be willing to take him back but I don't know if the rest of the family, including Harry and Moine will turn a blind eye to his actions.

By returning the jumper he denounced the Weasly family. I fully expect that his ambition will lead him to the dark side.

IMO, Percy will be so embarrassed about all those things he said (such as telling Ron to stay away from Harry), that he won't want to come back to his family because he will be so ashamed.

Percy is power hungry and is almost definately going to be lured to the dark side one way or another. I predict he'll probably turn spy for the dark side to cover his true self. I believe Fudge is on the right side but was so determined to be the greated MoM ever that he wanted to prolong the time he was in charge without voldemort returning. It is dangerous that Fudge had made Percy such a high status now as it is clear he will do anything for the power and being in constant proximity with the MoM can only lead me to think what dreadful things Percy will do in the future, whether willingly or not. I am aware that Ihave repeated myself several times in this post but I cannot really be bothered to go throught the whole thing and condense it so :P
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And have you noticed, at the end of the book in the atrium of the Ministry of Magic, he was not around when Fudge asked dumbledore what happened...

Maybe he is now on the "dark side" with voldemort. Because he could very well be.

But that's all just me, interpret it any way you like.

I think he'll definitely go darkside... if he doesn't get killed off too.

He's just got the personality for it, to be able to fall out with his whole family to the extent he wouldn't even go and visit his dad when he was injured. But then he did think he was in the right, and that they were all in the wrong and were working against the laws or at least the establishment. In that way he was only trying to do what was right, but he is far to ambitious and easily swayed by others.

He needs to sort out his priorities... :rolleyes:

I thought it was odd that we didn't hear anything about Percy at the end of the book...that's a rather large thread to leave hanging, isn't it?

I expected this from Percy, but I can't imagine what he'll do next. He's not the type to beg forgiveness since he's so pompous, but I still can't see him becoming evil.

I think Fudge's admission that Voldemort and the Death Eaters have returned and the reinstatement of Dumbledore into his offfices
and the revelation that Malfoy, McNair and Rookwood have not renounced alleigance to Voldemort will force Percy to rethink his policy of blind loyalty to the MoM

I think he'll be cautiously apologetic in Book 6 because that seemed to be the personality of Fudge at the end of book 5. I wish that we got a hint of his situation at the end of 5, I would have loved to see him come back feeling ashamed/distraught/crying and Mrs. Weasley embracing him and telling him it's OK.

I think that Percy is going to take this all very personally. We know his priorities are all out of whack right now, but just where are his loyalties? Could something have happened to him when he was working for Crouch in GoF that we haven't heard about?

Yes, this thread is left untied and is yet another reason I wish I had boox 6 right now! :)

Like Crafty Girl, I had expected Percy's behavior in Book 5 based on his behavior in the past. He's always been ambitious and thought he's a little too smart for his own good in my opinion. He has also tended to accept the word of his elders/authority figures in the past without really questioning it, and to me, has always seemed like a brown noser. As for what he'll do next, I don't know. Doing a Wormtail and going where the power goes, seems to fit with his personality, but I just don't know if I see him going to the dark side. I really don't know.

I too always expected Percy to stay with the MoM, even if that meant going against his family. His position in book 5 was not at all unexpect to me. I do not know though, what is going to happen in the future with Percy. If he really does want to become Minister of Magic someday, he will stick to the MoM. In doing so, you might think that he would go back to his family. I am not sure what will happen. Maybe Percy will talk to his family again now, but I don't think he will move bach home again. He will probably stay very independant, but at least have some relationship with his family (or his mother at the very least).

I am not say i don't agree with you, but what about the Sorting? He was placed in Gryffindor... and apperently wizards from Gryffindor do not turn evil... I think that percey will try to go crawling back to his family. He was a lot like Pettiegrew... And he just wants to be gaurded by power, and he does not see his family strong.

You know Percy was a real jerk in this book yes. I agree you will hear no arguments from me. But Death Eater material come on? I don't think he'll go that far I belive there will be consequences for his actions in this book though and I do think he'll wind up in Azkaban. Let's examine. Remeber in GoF the Ludo Bagman incident he passed info to Rookwood who turned out to be a Death Eater however he was also an unmentionable right. Now Barty Sr. was gonna sentance him to a term in Azkaban because of it right. He didn't because the Wizangamot decided becaus of his Quidditch skill to let him off light. Percy has no such Quidditch career or anything like it to fall back on. He is easily manipulated yes and will probably wind up the oposite of Bagman he'll give info to someone he dosen't know is a Death Eater and then wind up in Azkaban because of it.

I do think that Percy might die. Certainly. Just as he comes back from the dark side, perhaps? When he changes his mind about being evil?

I think that if Fudge got imperioed then Percy would follow him anyway. He's too stupid/blind to see that someone is not acting as they should (eg Crouch)

Whatever is going to happen to Percy, he owes the Weasleys a huge apology. I for one don't know if his father will ever forgive him. Remember the way his lips were curling at Lucius in GOF? They started to do that right after Harry's trial, when Percy walked out.

Since Percy has a tendency to :bow: to the Ministry, I'm assuming that since Fudge has rejoined Dumbledore, Percy will also. My big question is what are the Weasley's going to do? I know Molly and Arthur are Loving parents, but still, Percy did go a bit far.

I wasn't suprised at all with Percy's behavior in this book. I was pretty sure it was going to happen, we've all heard the tiny hint from Ron and we knew he was rather power hungry. But what I couldn't believe was the letter he wrote to Ron, not /that/ was a bit of a shock. I thought he would be at least alittle bit ashamed of turning on his family. But it turns out hes not really ashamed at all, and feels the same way about Harry as the MoM does, even though he knows what Harry is really like. Anyone else find that letter a bit shocking?

As most other people here I wasn't at all surprised at Percy's behaviour in this book, it was exactly what I had expected of him. But now that the truth is out in the open I am a little unsure of what is going to happen to him. Molly of course will take him back but I'm not so sure that the rest of the family will be as forgiving.

I cannot see Percy going over to the Dark Side of his own accord. True he has ambition and his priorities are way out of line but he will aimlessly follow the Ministry. This however could lead him to the Dark Side, without him knowing it, just like what happened to Bagman. He was tricked into passing information to Voldemort and I believe the same will probably happen to Percy. He is going to be trying extra hard to do what is right and therefore could be easily lead astray thinking what he is doing is for the Ministry's benefit.

I'll merge the three threads that concern Percy, his side, his behavior, and his future. :)

I can't say that I didn't expect Percy to follow Fudge, but I couldn't believe that he would be spitfull enough to return the sweater his mother made him. When I read that the only thing going through my mind was 'you slimey git, she's your mother she brought you into this world and she can take you out of just as easily.'
I do think he might try to crawl back to family but I don't really think that they'd take him back. Sure there's no doubt at all that Molly would, it's hard to believe that the others would be that kind considering how he acted.

Oh I think that the family will take him back. Molly and Arthur love their children too much to not take him back. It's his brothers and sister that are going to make his life miserable.

I think that Fred and George expecially will take on the task of "schooling" Percy with all the same gusto that they put into tormenting Prof Umbridge.

I think that Percy is about to get a very very healthy dose of reality from his siblings. We don't know that much about Bill and Charlie yet, other than that they are Members of the OoP and a few more little tidbits, But some how I don't really see them sitting on the sidelines letting Gred and Forge have all the fun of rubbing Percy's noze in how much of a slimy superficial little git he was/is.

Percy is such a *******. I was shocked after Fudge saw Voldemort with his own eyes and apologized to Dumbledore, returned all his appointments, and repealed all the idiotic legislation, that in the two remaining chapters Percy never apologized to his family.

This much is certain, there is no way they are going to accept his apology, especially Arthur. Molly will, but everyone else hates him, he always seemed too power hungry for his own good, but I had no idea he so stubborn, and rude. How dare he insult Harry after he's known him personally for over 3 years, had him over at his house, and watched him in the Triward tournament.

Percy will turn to the darkside, and he should have been put in slytherin since he seems like such a snake.

This topic is currently being discussed in a thread entitled Percy Ignatius Weasley -- where to now? (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11236)

I'll merge these two. :)

Percy will not turn evil. His middle name is Ignatius, a Catholic saint who helped reform the Catholic church and founded the Society of Jesus.

There's on key i think everyone's forgetting. Percy was a Gryffindor. If he was a Slytherin I'd think he's switch, but eventually, he'll realize his error, (and probably die for it)

I definitely think Percy will stay pure. He loves his family, though he hates to admit it, though his letter to Ron, and the fact he didn't visit his father, worry me. I want to think he's under the imperius, or he's rejecting his family to become a spy, but neither are likely.

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Percy will not turn evil. His middle name is Ignatius, a Catholic saint who helped reform the Catholic church and founded the Society of Jesus.

Good point!

I think Percy's status at the MoM is in danger now. There's bound to be some fallout over Fudge's failure to recognize the threat posed by Voldemort sooner. Percy's familial connections meant he would have known what was really going on (never mind that he wasn't speaking to them at the time). He can either be used as a scapegoat and portrayed as not having given Fudge an accurate picture of the situation, or pose a risk to Fudge because it would be assumed that he had told Fudge what was really going on.

Even assuming I'm wrong about that, with Dumbledore and the Order now able to work more out in the open, Percy's meteoric rise will be stalled somewhat. And while his mother may forgive him, I'm not sure Harry or his siblings will--assuming he even asks for forgiveness, which seems too undignified for him.

All of this is a convoluted way of saying that if Voldemort makes the offer, I think Percy will take it.

I would love to see Percy go back to his family, mainly for the sake of Mrs Weasley. However I think that Percy will stay very close to Fudge. Even though Fudge has started to realise the severity of the situation I believe he will still keep a distance between him and Dumbledore and in doing so Percy will remain disconnected from his family.

If anyone could rationalize the Ministry's lack of response to the threat of Voldemort for the past year, Percy could. But Fudge might need someone to take the fall for Fudge's own poor judgment and inactivity, and Percy would just fit the bill. Percy's career choices probably seemed brilliant to him, but could backfire in his face once Fudge finds him no longer necessary. Percy should not rely upon Fudge's loyalty. If it came down to saving his own job and prestige, Fudge would sacrifice a junior staff member in a second.

Percy is even more dangerous than the Death Eaters, he follows rules, no matter what they are. As during the Second World War, the excuse for the Nazis was "I only followed the rules". It all depends on what the ministry dos. I also think Fudge has his own agenda, but I wonder where it will lead to... the others are all bureaucrats that blindly follow, and that is the danger JKR writes about, there is not only evil to fight against. If Percy repents, it will be only after something big, a death that will change his life, it could be one of his brothers. We will see...

The end of OotP tells us that at long last, the Ministry believes Dumbledore. But we don't know how Percy reacted to that. Percy is for the Ministry and i think he'll apologize to his family about his behavior. Of course the family's gonna accept him with a little influence from Molly.

But if he still doesn't believe it and still acts like a great big prat, he'll surely get whacked off. Serves him right IMO after what he did to his family and to Harry.

Percy has to choose which side now. He can stay with the Ministry or go back to Dumbledore and the Order. But more likely than anything Percy will join Lee Jordan's niffler army, which will play a major role in the 6th book.

I think Percey blew it.. even if his family takes him back, they are always going to remember that he "betrayed" them.. i wouldnt trust the stupid git.. haha he is probably soooo mad that Fred and George are pulling in mad money doing what they love and he is left w/ a boring MoM job.. what a sucker.. who wouldve thought that Fred and George, of all the kids, would be the ones to make the most money.. didnt see that coming.. at least not right away.. I am interested to see what he does.. I think it is going to be a complete suprise.. because JKR is writing the books ;) .. gotta luv the writing style

Perhaps there is still a group of people at the MoM who will think Fudge is weak and giving in to Dumbldore and Percy will side with them. I think Percy will somehow end up dead.

death eater, death eater, death eater. That's all I have to say.

I expected Percy to side with Fudge but I didn't think he'd be enough of a jerk to disown his family like that. Grrr. But I can't see him going evil. He was a Gryffindor, not a Slytherin - so there must be a certain line he will stop at, however ambitious he is. I expect that he will come back to the family pretending he was on their side all along and Molly will beat him up.

Originally posted by rotsiepots (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=387570#post387570))
Oh dear. Percy is in a pickle. Now that the Ministry changed its stand, what is our dear Percy going to do? Will he acknowledge his errors and return to the Weasley fold? Will he be too proud and continue marching onwards, continuing to snub his family? Will he keep his job in Fudge's office?

Bring your speculating on the future of Percy here. :)


No way is he coming back to the fold. Fudge can switch positions faster than the wind because he has no pride, he only wants political power. Percy's pride/ego will force him to stay separate from the family and the Order. He hasn't gained enough perspective on life yet to be able to separate his 'rightness' from his ego, and he'll go it alone.

IMHO it's his arrogance that will get him into trouble--arrogance and tunnel vision. As I said before somewhere else, I don't think we've seen the last of Fudge's power plays (helio-thingies). Percy's ego is going to have him blundering blindly into the path of trouble, and as with Crouch Jr. he's going to end up accidentally working for the wrong side of the whole business.

I see him going ever onwards down the path to ruin and trying to bring Ron with him during 6, getting Ron into a potentially life-threatening situation in 7, and having a huge family reconciliation scene just before getting iced himself. (no particular reason for any of this last bit, just popped into my head.)

Percy will NOT become a deatheater. Percy sticks too close to the rules to do anything like that. When you think of what Percy would do consider what older Barty Crouch would do.

Hmmm. Interesting. How ill Percy react? I think that he is too stubborn to ask for forgiveness. I also think that the OOtP will consider him a security risk and forbid his joining the fold. As to the death eater question.... aside from reading "Prefects who have Gained Power" have we ever heard Percy talking about gaining power or even purity of blood?

I think Percy will stay in the Ministry and do whatever Fudge wants him to. I think he might go back to his family, but act like it was their faults he left, or at least speak to them again. I think thaty Fudge might go and join Voldemort, so Percy would follow, and then have to choose between his family, or his career - probaly leading to the death of himself or someone he loves.

I said this in the who will die thread,

I think that Percy will prove to be a true Weasley by redeeming himself in a spectacular fashion and just when we get to the point where we like him after all JKR will kill him off.

I do not see him groveling though. I think he will just pretend like nothing happened and he was never wrong.

No way will Percy become a death eater. I mean, yeah, he may be thick headed, but he's not dumb. I think his weasley upbringing is the reason why he would never be a death eater. True, he is a little power-hungry, but he wouldn't really be gaining power by becoming a death eater.

Also, I don't see him apoligizing to his family for his actions. He will continue to align with Fudge, but won't admit that he was wrong. He's too thick-headed to pull something like that. I agree that he might do something to make-up with his parents. Maybe even sacrificing himself for the good of the order?? Not really sure about this part though.

Percy can't become a death eater. Personally I think he will become more like Crouch Sr than ever or he will do a complete 180 and try to redeem himself (like Snape). I don't know. I don't see how Percy can redeem himself now. How will he crawl back to his family now. And how can they let him since they are trying to opperate the Order. He cannot be trusted. Will Molly let him back in to the famiy - yes. But I dont see how Percy will be allowed back in the house. It is too risky considering where his loyalities lie. I think he will apologize to a point (sorry I didn't believe Voldemort was back) but he will NEVER agree that DD is better than Fudge. He will say now that the truth is out it is best to let the MoM take care of things and not others. He will definitely disapprove of the Order since the MoM does not run it. I just don't see how they can risk him finding out about it. :evil:

I think that Percy will accept the new stance the MOM takes and try to make peace with his family. Mrs Weasley will welcome her son back with open arms, but I'm unsure as to whether everyone else will.
Mr Weasley probably will to make Mrs Weasley happy.
I don't think Fred, George or Ron will be quite as forgiving.
I'm unsure about Ginny, Bill and Charlie, although Bill and Charlie did not play huge parts in book 5, anyway.
It would be interesting to see if Percy apologises to his family, and to Harry and Dumbledore.

It's also quite possible that Percy may become an unwilling spy for Voldemort, he may be tricked into thinking he's spying for the Order. He may not even be allowed into the Order, though, or he may not want to be part of the Order.

Maybe Percy will become a "unwilling spy" for Voldemort. Percy, as he loves the rules, I can't see him going over to the Dark side on his own. But he's very loyal to the Ministry. He even puts his job before his family. Remember in GoB, Ludo Bagman was at court for being a Death Eater in Dumbledore's Pensive? He had unwillingly giving imformation to a Death Eater who he thought was on the good side, and who was his father's friend.
Maybe one of Voldemort's spies in MoM will use Percy the same way to get imformation. Percy certainly tries hard to please to Ministry members.

Originally posted by jmk623 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=413763#post413763))
Maybe Percy will become a "unwilling spy" for Voldemort. Percy, as he loves the rules, I can't see him going over to the Dark side on his own. But he's very loyal to the Ministry. He even puts his job before his family. Remember in GoB, Ludo Bagman was at court for being a Death Eater in Dumbledore's Pensive? He had unwillingly giving imformation to a Death Eater who he thought was on the good side, and who was his father's friend.
Maybe one of Voldemort's spies in MoM will use Percy the same way to get imformation. Percy certainly tries hard to please to Ministry members.


I think this is a really good point. As someone (Lupin? Sirius?) said in OotP, Lord Thingy is back to his old tricks, "hexing and cursing and bullying people" into following him.

Though Percy is certainly willing to sacrifice a great deal to further his career, I can't see him not being very, very vulnerable to a direct threat against his family (as in, do this and follow me or I'll kill them all.) I mean, he's ambitious but I don't see him as devoid of all feeling. He *did*, after all, have to avert his eyes from Harry and DD in the hearing in front of the Wizengamot. I have to think he's still got a little Weasley in him after all's said and done.

Did anybody else think that there might be some connection between Umbridge and Percy? They were both working directly under Fudge, and the letter that Percy sent to Ron could have been written my Umbridge herself ("a truly lovely woman..."). Even though she doesn't seem like Death Eater material herself, when I considered the possibility that Percy was under the Imperius curse, I thought that perhaps he was under Umbridge's imperius curse. Though there isn't much evidence for this, I can't really figure out why JKR had to keep Umbridge alive and okay at the end of the book.

I think that Voldemort might tempt Percy with power and such and then Percy will become a Death Eater, but be a spy for Voldemort. He then would pretend to beg for forgiveness from his family and then feed Voldemort information. I think that at one point if this happens, Percy will have to kill his family, but he won't and will try to protect them but get killed himself. :( Percy is cool I hope Voldemort leaves him alone.

Percy has a couple of possibilities:

- He'll loftily and pompously forgive his family for being so horrible.
- He'll tell everyone that he's beside Fudge and that of course there was no chance of believing Harry before, but of course they do now.
- He'll tell everyone that he was beside Harry the whole time and that Fudge was an idiot not to understand it, he tried to persuade Fudge but...
- He'll tell Fudge that there's no reason to believe Harry, he has always been hungry for fame.

I'm pretty sure Percy is under an Imperius curse, probably Malfoy's. It's a testament to J.K. Rowling's character-development skills that she's set him up so well that we and the other characters are willing to accept his behavior.

Like Crouch Sr., Percy has isolated himself from people who would be likely to notice symptoms. Fudge wouldn't have a clue, so Percy is able to come in to work. Like Crouch, he can write letters while under the curse. The curse would also explain his surprise promotion. I'm sure it was done by Fudge at Malfoy's request.

Malfoy is frequently in the ministry talking to Fudge and would have opportunities to renew the curse on his assistant. And doesn't Percy sound a lot like Malfoy?

The question is what will happen now that Malfoy is in Azkaban. How long will it take for the curse to wear off? Percy is not known as a strong wizard, so maybe it will last longer on him. Or maybe he's under someone else's influence.

Maybe one of Voldemort's spies in MoM will use Percy the same way to get imformation. Percy certainly tries hard to please to Ministry members.


I think this is an interesting point which is why the family can't completely let him in. Molly will forgive him but they cannot and will not risk the order's secerts. I think Percy is like Crouch. Plus his actions reinforce the theme of "it is not where you come from that matters... it is the choices you make" He comes from the Weasley family yet acts NOTHING like them. However I don't see him going to the dark side - I see him becoming like Crouch Sr. Look at how he admired him!

The Crouch Sr. comparison is a good one and so is the imperious curse theory. But if Percy is under the imperious curse, why isn't Fudge? Malfoy was always at the Ministry whispering in Fudge's ear? Remember how Crouch nor Fudge could ever remember Percy's name in the books? Percy REALLY wants to be important, he could be mislead so easily.

If Percy was under and Imperius curse from Umbridge, how would she keep it up being at Hogwarts so much of the time and not at the Ministry?

Malfoy had Fudge under control already, but through money and other means.
Also, apparently, it's possible to tell when someone is under the Imperius curse, such as Crouch. Fudge's change in behavior would have been noticed by the aurors, whereas Percy wouldn't be noticed by them in the first place.
I don't think Umbridge did it either. I'm not positive Malfoy did it, but he seemed likely to have had opportunities.
I think Fudge could remember Percy's name, couldn't he? Certainly, he'd know Percy was a Weasley.

I don't think Percy is under the curse. JKR gave enough hints about his personality from book 1. I think Percy is acting on his own accord. He has always been power hungry and overly ambitious. He would sell out his family for power however I don't think he would go to the dark side since he loves rules.

I'm not Catholic, but isn't St. Ignatius' feast day on July 31?

Sorry if this has been discussed already but I searched and couldn't find anything...

We know Percy is aware that his parents are fighting Voldie and he knows who at least some of the other members of the Order are. But how much does he actually know? and more importantly: Has he revealed any of this to the MoM? Will he reveal anything/more? dependgin on how much he knows about the OotP, he could sell them out to Fudge.
any thoughts?

But Fudge now belives V is back so it won't matter.

But he most likely did. ;)

I doubt they let him know anything. It sounds like Percy finked out on them when this was all beginning, and probably never got far enough to know what his parents were up to, in detail.

I think he gave some information but he wasn't really around long enough to get enough useful information to be of any help. Hmmm...

Percey without a doubt droped a dime on his parents and the Order...That brown noseing little @@@@@.He's the worst character by far..What kind of person sells out his own parents.



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he strongly belives more in fudge than he does on his own family, so now that voldermort is back i think he will find out that he had been wrong this whole time.

Exactly, harryton. I'm sure he did give his two cents about the Order to Fudge. But like someone already mentioned, it really won't matter because Fudge has now witnessed with his own two eyes that Voldemort is really back and powerful.

I think DD set Fudge straight in that 1/2 hour before he talked to Harry. Though I am sure Percy will continue to be a prat, and continue to be a pompus little...yeah...sorry, strong feelings there lol--I am fairly sure that the whole MoM being a threat to the Order is, for the most part, over and that Fudge will start to fight against Voldie too and that things will be alright between DD and Fudge. Remember Fdge can't deny it anymore as he has seen Voldie in the MoM, and he's even having the Daily Prophet print nice thigns about Harry and Protection against the Dementors since Voldie is back and has their control.
I don't think a little worm like Percy could be that much of a threat. Unless he pull's a Crouch on us all!

I wouldn't necessarily start shouting "Imperius Curse" just yet. Percy's been a bit shady since book 2. Let's look at an example:

In Book 2, during Chapter 12, The Polyjuice Potion, Ron and Harry have gone down stone steps looking for the Slytherin common room....

The labyrinthine passages were deserted. They walked deeper and deeper under the school, constantly checking their watches to see how much time they had left. After a quarter of an hour, just when they were getting desperate, they heard a sudden movement ahead.
"Ha!" said Ron excitedly. "There's one of them now!"
The figure was emerging from a side room. As they hurried nearer, their hearts sank. It wasn't a slytherin, it was Percy.
"What're you doing down here?" said Ron in surprise.
Percy looked affronted.
"That," he said stiffly, "is none of your business. It's Crabbe, isn't it?"
"Wh--oh, yeah," said Ron.
"Well, get off to your dormitories," said Percy sternly. "It's not safe to go wandering around dark corridors these days."
"You are," Ron pointed out.
"I," said Percy, drawing himself up, "am a prefect. Nothing's about to attack me."

Hmm.....you know, we never did find out why Percy just happened to be down in the dungeons. Was he up to no good? Possibly, though we have no definite proof. I just think it's a little weird for him to be down there. Walking around dark corridors like he's SO brave or something.

I don't like him, I don't trust him, and he can get cursed for all I care.

July 31st is the feast day of St Ignatius of Loyola. He served his king as a courtier and a soldier until his thirtieth year. Then he got hurt and was visited in a dream by Saints. After that he became very spiritual and spent his days trying to make up for his past sins by doing good deeds. I am not sure what those sins were but this could reflect that Percy will do the same. He too is serving someone in charge and maybe something will happen to wake him up and make him realize his sins... hummmm interesting!

I think that Percy will redeem himself later in these books. One of JKR's main themes has been about forgiveness and second chances, such as the one that Dumbledore gave Snape. I think that we will see Percy redeem himself in Book 7 and for this to happen I see that the forgiveness will probably come from Ron.

Percy's parents will forgive him easily enough and I'm not 100% sure how the rest of the family will react when Percy seeks forgiveness but Ron is slow to forgive and not big on second chances. I guess that the forgiveness between Percy and Ron will play a part end of book six beginning of book 7.

Cheers!

I've already seen some fanfics referring to Percy as the Prodigal Son.
Great analogy. Take that Fundamental Christians. The Biblical references through the series are amazingly subtle! This is definitely a part of the book I will use in my religon class- The kids have benn taught to refer to that passage as "The Forgiving Father" I truly believe Arthur Weasley will com through! WWJD!!!

Very interesting reminder about Percy down in the dungeons or whatever in COS! I totally forgot about that. Just assumed he was meeting that girl.

Percy gives me the creeps. I think he has made some very bad choices and he definately has an ego issue. He turned on his family and the most powerful wizard in the magical world. (DD) That doesn't bode well for Percy.

I do hope there is redemption for him, tho. He's the eptimy of the self-rightous jerk we have all come accross at one time or another in our life. "Pride goeth before the fall." If he continues with this behavior, he is headed for a big fall. It'll be interesting to see what JKR does with him. He is annoying, but I want him to get it right because I like the Weasley family so well. It will be sad if we see a "good' wizarding family lose a member to the dark side. We have seen some "dark" wizarding families lose some members to the "good" side. I wonder if JKR is going to show the vulnerability of even the best of parenting?

I don't know if I'm going off topic, but why on earth was he put in Gryffindor. He's obviously a slytherin! I bet he's going to be the traitor of this is generation.

agreed, i don't think that he should be a gryff. i never much liked him and he's always brought on more trouble than good. and i am seriously worried about him following in the footsteps of Crouch (barty sr!) and betraying his family and all that jazz. i think we're going to see a lot more bad aspects of percy as the books go on.

He is very power ambition. I do not believe he would kill for plessure though. He is probably have a mind set close to Fudge than Crouch. We never learn much about Crouch. Is he just believe fight fire with fire? or is he do it for power? Percy will do anything for power but short of toture and kill someone.

I think he will come back, I think Molly and Arthur will forgive him more easily and the rest of the familywill berate him a bit- probably Fred and George the most. Can't you just see Percy being followed by an army of howlers?

I wonder how this transformation took place because at the end of GoF Dumbledore begins to assemble the OotP and asks for the Weasly's support. Did they keep the OotP from Percy or did Percy know and not tell fudge?

I don't think Percy was shady in book two- wasn't he meeting up with his Penelope in empty classrooms? Also Percy used to worship Dumbledore. I think Percy was embarassed about what happened with Crouch and mixed in with his ambition became a mouthpiece for Fudge.

How did a baboon like Fudge manage to convince people that Harry Potter and Dumbledore were the problems anyway- I think their may be some validity to the Quibblers speculations about Fudge.

Also- someone pointed out the St. Ignatius is on 7/31 is this connection to Harry Potter more important than incedental? Percy may play a role in helping Harry defeat Voldemort.

I reckon Percy will stay distant in Bk. 6 then will realise the error of his ways and come back at the end of 7 when the dark world is banished, and all good wizardfolk come together in a big cheesy sing song of 'All You Need Is Love'. :) Wow, that would be ridiculously cheesy!

N.B. Can you tell why I don't write fanfic?

Originally posted by Siriusly (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=440703#post440703))
I don't think Percy was shady in book two- wasn't he meeting up with his Penelope in empty classrooms? Also Percy used to worship Dumbledore. I think Percy was embarassed about what happened with Crouch and mixed in with his ambition became a mouthpiece for Fudge.

IMHO Percy's ambition causes him to idolize whoever can do his career the most good at that particular moment. When he was at Hogwarts, he 'needed' to be Head Boy, so of course he worshipped DD. Now he's at the Ministry, which means he worshipped first Crouch, then Fudge. This, again IMHO, is why Percy is as dangerous as he is. Too easy to manipulate, as long as you convince him it's for the good of his career.


How did a baboon like Fudge manage to convince people that Harry Potter and Dumbledore were the problems anyway- I think their may be some validity to the Quibblers speculations about Fudge.


Fudge seems to be a master of telling people what they want to hear. Keeps them happy, and keeps him in control. It's a lot easier to believe DD is going dotty and Harry Potter is trying to ride the wave of his fame than it is to believe that Lord Thingy is back and ready to roll.

I definitely think Fudge's power struggles haven't ended. Whether it's a-la-Quibbler or whether it's some other way, he's going to be making plenty of trouble for the Order and for Harry. He's the anti-Dumbledore. He isn't just going to fade into the woodwork and let the Order run the show.

originally posted by Siriusly post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=440703#post440703)
How did a baboon like Fudge manage to convince people that Harry Potter and Dumbledore were the problems anyway- I think their may be some validity to the Quibblers speculations about Fudge.

Well, you have to remember that the majority of the people that read the Daily Prophet do not know Fudge first hand and how he acts under stressful conditions. The only source of information they've got about his disposition and effeciency is the Daily prophet and maybe, if they are lucky, a propaganda speech held in some city? None of which are trustworthy to see anybody's, let alone fudge's true behavior.

The only way that those people could have gleened the truth is if they had Dumbledore as a headmaster, classmate, student, or even had the pleasure of talking to him one and one. And then, from seeing Dumbledore and observing all his good intentions, and from reading the Fudge's exclamations and actions concerning him, they could possibly tell that Fudge isn't what they had thought. Oh, and another way is if they went to school with him or something like that....

Well, JKR may not have meant me to interpret Fudge Vs DD in this way. But there's a similarity between some world leaders during the rise of Hitler/Communism/and now Terrorism to those who refuse to acknowledge those things and do everything they can to discredit those who are screaming to the world.... Look at this...IT's happening before our very eyes. (DD, HARRY AND THE OotP gang, that rag...The Quibbler) And then, there are those who use any means necessary to do all that they can to undermine and discredit the messenger. (Fudge, Percy, the MOM gang and the Daily Prophet, etc.) It's a perfect analogy of the "Shooting the Messenger" strategy. Fudge used the "shoot the messenger" strategy very effectively in OotP and Percy participated whole heartedly. How many times in history has that happened, to the detriment of millions of innocent lives?

This whole series is sooo stocked full of current life issues/lessons as well as historical life lessons. The mythological similarities are fun, too. Then again, I could be completely over analizing the books!

Not to turn this into a political debate or anything. I just see that what happened in OotP with Harry and DD Vs Fudge and his followers has happened in history and is happening right now. If you want to jump on me and get in my face, please do it by PM.............we don't want the thread to be closed down by the mods.

Since it's been proven that Percy truly is a "git", we have to understand that he's going to act it "git-ish" ways.

But, Snape's a git too, and he has DD's complete trust. So, while Percy is being Percy, I don't think that he'll go to the dark side, but I do think he will be a casualty.

I was thinking about how Percy was put in Gryffindor... he had to be put in there for a reason and hopefully we will see that reason later. Which might be why his middle name is Ignatius.

What I found interesting is following:

In some stories Percy (Percival) killed his mother... Does it mean Percy will be the one to kill Mrs Weasley in one of the next books?

Seeing his attitued and behavior towards his parents I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I thought that the reason that Percy was wandering around in the dungeons was becasue he was snogging Penelope Clearwater.

Unfortunately, I think that Percy will be redempted. I can't stand him!!!!!!!!1

I think percy will continue to stand by Fudges side and that he will still be seperated from his family...hes been to much of a _____ to go back...at least for now

I wouldn't necessarily start shouting "Imperius Curse" just yet. Percy's been a bit shady since book 2. Let's look at an example:

In Book 2, during Chapter 12, The Polyjuice Potion, Ron and Harry have gone down stone steps looking for the Slytherin common room....

The labyrinthine passages were deserted. They walked deeper and deeper under the school, constantly checking their watches to see how much time they had left. After a quarter of an hour, just when they were getting desperate, they heard a sudden movement ahead.
"Ha!" said Ron excitedly. "There's one of them now!"
The figure was emerging from a side room. As they hurried nearer, their hearts sank. It wasn't a slytherin, it was Percy.
"What're you doing down here?" said Ron in surprise.
Percy looked affronted.
"That," he said stiffly, "is none of your business. It's Crabbe, isn't it?"
"Wh--oh, yeah," said Ron.
"Well, get off to your dormitories," said Percy sternly. "It's not safe to go wandering around dark corridors these days."
"You are," Ron pointed out.
"I," said Percy, drawing himself up, "am a prefect. Nothing's about to attack me."

Hmm.....you know, we never did find out why Percy just happened to be down in the dungeons. Was he up to no good? Possibly, though we have no definite proof. I just think it's a little weird for him to be down there. Walking around dark corridors like he's SO brave or something.

I don't like him, I don't trust him, and he can get cursed for all I care.

percy was with his girlfriend and didnt want people to know

I think that Percy is too self-righteous to ever become a death eater. He would never do anything that would be illegal. He prides himself on following the rules, which in his eyes is equivalent with “doing the right thing.” Remember Mr. Crouch, Sr. and Umbridge? They definitely weren’t Death Eaters, but they weren’t pleasant people either. Percy is so arrogant in his self-righteousness that he can’t see clearly. Unfortunately, this is a somewhat common occurrence found in relationships! It can be difficult to see the truth at times when you have a huge plank in your eye. :p

Yeah, Percy’s ambitious, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s power hungry at all costs. I know this has been mentioned before, but I think there was a reason the Sorting Hat put Percy in Gryffindor and not in Slytherin, despite all current indications to the contrary. That leads me to believe that there is something more to Percy’s character than we have yet seen. I hope that he does reconcile with the Weasley family, but I think that it'll be very difficult for Percy to admit that he was wrong. It would be great if someone like Dumbledore sat Percy and rest of the family down and just told them all to forgive and forget the past because there are more important things to focus on now that Voldemort is officially back.

Choosing to believe Fudge over his own family certainly is huge mark against Percy, but we have to remember that most of the wizarding world chose to believe Fudge, as their society’s authority figure, rather than Harry and Dumbledore. Remember Seamus’ mom? Percy strikes me as a have-to-see-it-to-believe-it kind of person. Now that Death Eaters have actually been caught doing illegal things, I think that he’ll believe his family. However, I can’t see him joining the Order. He’s such a stuffed shirt and likes things to go through the proper channels so the Order’s unconventional modus operandi wouldn’t suit him. Instead he’ll continue to work at the MoM. I’m not sure in what position though. Maybe, he’ll manage to hang on with Fudge. The last time it looked like he was going to be in trouble after the Crouch incident, he came through okay, so I think he’ll come through again.

Percy will not turn evil. His middle name is Ignatius, a Catholic saint who helped reform the Catholic church and founded the Society of Jesus.
Actually, "St. Ignatius was a cleric who was obsessed with money and power until he was captured and injured by the enemy and he had a change of heart while being held prisoner." (Courtesy of MasterFroggy here (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=530740&postcount=574).) Sounds like Percy to me.

Re: Percy being in Gryffindor
I don't think that matters too much. I think there are good slytherins and bad gryffindors, it isn't black and white. In fact, I think the Slytherin house may split between those who do and don't support Voldemort. And Percy will be an example of a Gryffindor gone bad. There was a really good discussion about this in the Possible Clues (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11413) thread. Good luck finding it though...

I agree that Percy is ripe for the picking by LV and the DEs. His lust for power, blindness to things outside his own reality, and ability to completely sever ties with his "loved ones" makes him a prime candidate. He could be easily manipulated to believe he is doing the "right thing." Like someone said earler, the Nazis believed they were just following the rules. Also, I think he knows about the Order and may know who is in it, which is vital info to Voldie. I can see him becoming a Death Eater, but not openly, he would be a spy. But I can also see him redeeming himself in the end... somehow. I don't think he has the guts to kill anyone, and when faced with such a task it might knock him back to his senses.

I think he still cares about his family... or at least Ron. He was very happy and relieved when Harry saved Ron in the second task of the Triwizard Tournament. And the letter Percy sent him in OotP also shows he cares, IMO. Percy believed he was right and was trying to bring his brother over to what he thought was the "good side." So, I don't think Percy is completely without love for his family. It may be Ron who turns him to the good side in the end. But I find it disturbing that he didn't even check on, let alone visit, his father in the hospital. That's pretty cold.

I don't think we need the Imperius Curse theory to explain Percy's actions. He has always been the way he is, it has just been magnified now that he actually works at the MoM under Fudge. He has become closer to attaining his goal, and it has given him tunnel vision.

Yeah, Percy’s ambitious, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s power hungry at all costs. I know this has been mentioned before, but I think there was a reason the Sorting Hat put Percy in Gryffindor and not in Slytherin, despite all current indications to the contrary. That leads me to believe that there is something more to Percy’s character than we have yet seen. I hope that he does reconcile with the Weasley family, but I think that it'll be very difficult for Percy to admit that he was wrong. [...]

Choosing to believe Fudge over his own family certainly is huge mark against Percy, but we have to remember that most of the wizarding world chose to believe Fudge, as their society’s authority figure, rather than Harry and Dumbledore. Remember Seamus’ mom? Percy strikes me as a have-to-see-it-to-believe-it kind of person.
Good point. Perhaps he will be able to rise above any manipulation by the Death Eaters and see it for what it is. I certainly hope so, because I believe he will be a target for them since he is so easily led astray, and is in a very good position to spy being at the MoM and a member of the Weasley family.

Sorry if this post seems a bit disjointed - I responded to things as I read through the thread. :shrug:

"The world isn't split into good people and Death Eaters."

I don't know if he'll have the courage to own up his mistakes to his parents but I don't see him becoming evil. You can be a git and still work against the dark side. Look at his idol, Mr. Crouch Sr. Though an attempt could be made to subvert him. I think Wormtail could come into play for that. He knows Percy, having been his pet rat Scabbers for so many years and perhaps could have noticed his ambitious nature and recognised 'the desire to associate with people more powerful than himself' in the boy, having shared that trait in common.

Perhaps Voldemort will use this information somehow in one of his plans against the ministry.

OOOOOOhhhhhh! The point about Scabbers being Percy's pet rat is very good. I forgot about that. Wormtail will know all kinds of scoop on the Weasly family and I agree it could be used to lure Percy. He is so overly ambitious and self rightous, he is a prime candidate for a foolish mistake.

This is from the MuggleNet Book Six Theories section.

Percy wrote a letter for Ron which attacked Harry and Dumbledore - or so it seems! If the letter is read in another way, warnings for the group begin to appear: advice about Umbridge taking control of Hogwarts; Possible removal of Dumbledore from the Headmaster´s office; the Minister of Magic trying to portray Harry as a psychotic guy; and lots of others. Could this suggest Percy is working for the Order (undercover), and perhaps Mr. Weasley and Percy, in the need of a cover staged the fight? --Submitted by Oswaldo



I know, at first glance you think that Oswaldo must be smoking crack to think that Percy is not being serious here. But the more you think about it the more it seems POSSIBLE (not likely necessarily but possible) that this is true.

After all Percy did manage to convey quite a bit of information that Ron and Harry would not have had. Also, given that the letters were censored this was the only way Percy could give them this information.

I don't know. I said before that I think Percy will redeem himself, but if this theory is right than he was never on the wrong side at all. Instead JKR is using him as a red herring while the real traitor (if there is one) gets less attention.

Anyway, I would like this theory to be true. Whether or not it is remeains to be seen.

I hope, for the Weaselys' sake, that Percy was trying to help the Order all along. But if he was, then why did he send by his sweatshirt and pies, and why did he always remain so cold to them, even when there was nobody around to see?

He is very power-hungry, which is definitely NOT a good thing. Although I don't think he'd turn over to Voldemort at first, I think he might be more easily ensnared than someone else by a promise for power.

But right now what's he going to do? I think Mrs. Weasley would be only too happy to accept him back into the fold, but Mr. Weasley, Ron, Ginny, and the twins might hold a grudge longer. Hopefully though, they will accept him and he can learn the error of his ways.

Maybe the Weasleys don't know that he's working for the order. It's possible that this is somehting Dumbledore asked him to do and the Weasleys couldn't know the truth for whatever reason.

I just don't see Percy every apologizing to anyone for anything, but I do think he'll decide to be gracious and forgive his parents. Molly will forgive him, and Arthur will go along to keep peace in the family, but I don't really see them trusting him with anything for a while. As for his brothers and sister forgiving him anytime soon, no way.

As to Percy's meteoric rise in the MoM - all I can say is that meteors can make a pretty big hole in the ground if they don't burn up in the atmosphere on their way back to Earth! That's not a death prediction, by the way, although if one of the Weasleys has to go, he's my leading candidate.

I think the main reason Percy became Fudge's assistant was to spy on his family. He only came to the ministry's attention, and in a very negative way, because of Crouch's behavorial changes. Let's face it, even the most brilliant cauldron report ever written would not have brought him to the attention of the minister. My guess is that Lucius Malfoy, in his capacity as "shadow minister" got him the promotion.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Percy is still the MoM's assistant, Fudge gets thrown out of office, and Arthur becomes Minister? Ron said that Gryffindor had as much chance of winning the cup as his father had at becoming minister, and we know what happens when Ron makes predictions in a joking manner. Let's just hope Percy gets demoted before his dad takes over.

I can't see Percy willingly going to his family and asking for their forgiveness. His ego wouldn't allow that. Percy is in a pretty sticky situation right now, and my guess is that he will try to deny any accusations brought against him. Eventually, I believe he will realize his mistake and apologize to his family, but only in an act of pure desperation. St. Ignatius Loyola was once a contentious gambler and soldier who had daydreams of fame and glory, along with fantasies of winning the love of noblewoman. While recouperating from a wound, he read the Bible and underwent a religious conversion. Hopefully, just as his namesake suggests, Percy will follow in the footsteps of St. Ignatius and see the error of his ways and return to his family.

All this discussion of Percy's ambition makes me think of the quote from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, in which during Mark Antony's Funeral Oration for Caesar, he states, "Ambition should be made of sterner stuff." Hopefully this doesn't mean Percy will die, but if he does, I just hope he has the dignity to admit his mistakes before it's too late.

I would love if percy became a death eater! it would be such a character change. he is the type who would do anything-even exploit his family (similar to crouch) just to climb the ranks at work and be accepted. Once Dumbledore was concidered crazy Percy dropped him. His parents were concidered traitors so Percy severed ties. If in the first book you told me that Percy was going to be directly rude to Dumbledore i would have said you were totally crazy. Since His character has already changed so much if being a death eater is popular in his circle of people i dont think being a death eater is so far out of his reach! its so crazy!

I don't think that he will become a death eater, because as soon as Fudge reforms so will Percy and there is no way that Fudge is going to stay in power (where he wants to be) without a reformation.

Personally I could see Percy as a Death Eater. Not because he is evil but because he has no where else to turn. I see him being very stubborn and too proud to just appologize to his family and admit he was wrong. I think that he could have a run in with some Death Eater who pitches Voldemort's idea that there is no good or evil, just power and those too weak to seek it. That would be something that would appeal to a confused, impressionable Percy. He could use that as a rationalization to persue his ambitions by any means.

Now I could see abit of a happier ending for Percy. I have wondered what ever happened to that Penelope Clearwater. What if she is still his girlfriend? we really do not know one way or another. Suppose over that time he has been away from his family they got married. She gets pregnant. He matures and realizes how important to him his family is, and appologizes. Besides it would be neat to have a little baby wizard running around.

Yes, I might think so too. Everyone thought Percy was leaking out family secrets to the ministry, so now at this time of uncertainty in his life, he might have no where else to turn. Voldemort will reward him greatfully, and they share in the distaste of Harry Potter. Remember the letter he gave to Ron? There's a sign there. The common like between Voldie and Percy is the fact that that they both hate Harry.

A few pages back it was mentioned that Percy could not become a death eater because he was in Gryffindor. Wasn't Peter Pettigrew in Gryffindor? Speaking of wormtail, I agree that his role as scabbers will be important. He has inside information to Percy's personality and Ron's. I think that VM will use this to manipulate Percy into passing info unknowingly. I also see the magical community being divided into VM supportes, DD supporters and MoM supporters. I think that Percy will continue to support the MoM, but that he will have a "fragile" reconciliation with his family. I don't see the kids forgiving at all, Molly - yes, and Arthur - he will forgive grudgingly.

Worst case scenario - Percy comes groveling back, eventually everyone forgives. Trying to attone for his trangressions he jumps head first into helping the order. VM, using wormtails info., somehow gets Percy to betray the order. Everyone suspects Percy of being evil the whole time. Nobody knows the truth until Percy dies for the order.

Here's something I came across in Order of the Phoenix that reminded me of this discussion:
Rookwood is talking to Voldemort: "Bode would have known he could not … undoubtedly, that is why he fought so hard against Malfoy's Imperius Curse…"
So we know Malfoy is able to put an Imperius Curse on a Ministry employee. I think it's very likely Malfoy has/had Percy under an Imperius Curse and got Fudge to promote him. He chose Percy because any changes in his behavior would go unnoticed and because he knew it would hurt the Weasleys to lose their son. Rowling emphasizes that the note he sent to Ron was in Percy's handwriting:
"'That's definitely Percy's handwriting,'" said Ron.
Then, later ...
"[Harry] knew that the Daily Prophet had been making snide allusions to him for months, but there was something about seeing it written down like that in Percy's writing ..."
Reminds me of Percy's letter about Crouch Sr. in Goblet of Fire:
"'I haven't actually seen him, but I think I can be trusted to know my own superior's handwriting.'"
As you remember, Crouch was under an Imperius Curse. He had shut himself off from people who knew him and corresponded with them by owl.
What we see as warnings in Percy's letter could be signs that he's able to resist the Curse, but not overtly.
Power-hungry or not, he's still a Weasley.

Well I dont think that Percy will be forgiven very easily if he tries to go to the order. Molly would but I dont know about anybody else. And I really Dont see Percy going over to the dark side. Hes not an eviltype of wizard....well not to that extent, and I think he was just scared before and didnt want to believe that voldy was back.

Bazooka Joe I love your ideas and I think it is quite possible that JKR did set up the plot like this. She loves to leave little hints in all of her books and I think that you are right and these may be hints that Percy is under the Imperius curse. I think it could be Malfoy who is administering the curse but I also agree with others that it could be Umbridge. That comment on how wonderful she is really got to me. However she was at Hogwarts so I am not sure how well she could have kept a handle on him from that far away. My only problem with the theory that they would curse him is that wouldnt they use him as a spy? Wouldn't he be more useful as an insider? Then again he is a good insider in the ministry since he is Fudge's new right hand man. I have a love/hate relationship with these boards since I find myself going in circles with my predictions, thoughts, and ideas!

Haha, I know how you feel, GrangerGal. You also bring up an interesting point- does distance matter in the Imperius Curse? If it doesn't, then Umbridge may have put the curse on him- but would that be before or after he left his family? If before, then when she realized that the Weasleys didn't want much to do with him anymore, why didn't she just lift the curse? Perhaps she's not too gifted with memory charms ;) . And if she put the curse on him after he walked out on his family--- why did she do it? It would have been useful for her to have a spy.
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Maybe she just wanted more people on the Ministry's side. Maybe she thought that if Percy believed Fudge, all of the Weasleys would. And if that is the case, was that an order from Fudge?
Bleh, I dunno. :grumble:

We do know that Umbridge can do the unforgivable curses since she almost did one on Harry so that makes her a canidate. Speaking of which how did she learn those curses? Bellatrix says you have to mean them and she knew right away that it was the first time Harry used one. Hummm... maybe she is a death eater or is a spy. OK going off topic a bit here but I think that she could be in controll some how. However if I recall in GoF, Voldemort stopped letting Crouch Sr. from going to work b/c Crouch was starting to fight the curse. I think distance might affect the caliber of the curse but one can still do it at a distance.

i dont think umbridge would go as far as being a death eater but maybe she is like mrs. black and thinks that voldemort has some of the right ideas- being pureblood is everything...since harry did an unforgivable curse is that going to play a part

I think it could be Malfoy who is administering the curse but I also agree with others that it could be Umbridge. That comment on how wonderful she is really got to me.
I think that was pure Percy. I think he'd sincerely respect Umbridge.

However she was at Hogwarts so I am not sure how well she could have kept a handle on him from that far away.
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My only problem with the theory that they would curse him is that wouldnt they use him as a spy? Wouldn't he be more useful as an insider? Then again he is a good insider in the ministry since he is Fudge's new right hand man. I have a love/hate relationship with these boards since I find myself going in circles with my predictions, thoughts, and ideas!
I think you came around there when you implied he was spying on Fudge. I'm sure Percy got to go into every secret meeting Fudge had. I don't think Umbridge was controlling Percy, but it's not inconceivable. At the end of Book 5, both of them are out of the picture, so "where to now?" Will we start Book 6 with him coming out of the curse, find out someone else is controlling him or get proof he's just an idiot?

Maybe the Weasleys don't know that he's working for the order. It's possible that this is somehting Dumbledore asked him to do and the Weasleys couldn't know the truth for whatever reason.
But we know about Snape doing some kind of spy work with much more dangerous people - Death Eaters. Why would Percy keep his a secret from everyone while the whole Order knows about Snape? I highly doubt he is working for the Order undercover. The supposed clues in the letter were just Percy trying to show-off to Ron how "important" he is at the Ministry by hinting at classified information.

I have wondered what ever happened to that Penelope Clearwater.
I've wondered this, too. I think she will turn up again, but we know hardly anything about her, except that she's a Ravenclaw. Penelope may play a big role in Percy's fate. JKR has done it before, but it still seems odd for a character to completely disappear like that. Lupin did for a year during GoF but he came back...

So we know Malfoy is able to put an Imperius Curse on a Ministry employee. I think it's very likely Malfoy has/had Percy under an Imperius Curse and got Fudge to promote him. He chose Percy because any changes in his behavior would go unnoticed and because he knew it would hurt the Weasleys to lose their son.
But Percy really hasn't changed his behavior. He's always been obsessed with power and getting ahead, and now that he's gotten closer to his goal his obsession has grown deeper. We don't need the Imperius Curse to explain Percy's actions.

We don't need the Imperius Curse to explain Percy's actions.
If his behaviour could be explained clearly one way or the other, there would be no discussion. I think both explanations are perfectly viable. I lean toward the Imperius Curse because I think Rowling has set it up more subtly than Percy just being a jerk. She wants you to think he's a jerk, so you get a surprise when it turns out he is a jerk, but not as big a one as you thought. He abandoned his decorum at the end of the second test in GoF over his concern for Ron, then does nothing when his father is gravely injured? The idea of Malfoy involvement also explains how Percy got promoted when he should have been disciplined or fired.

I think the reason Percy didn't go to visit his father is because he may have felt that he was "giving in" to his family if he did. I think that he felt guilty for not visiting him, but did not want to display his concern because he was being stubborn and selfish. If he would have openly been upset about the attack on his father, he would likely lose his job. And as sad as it is, I think that Percy is too proud to admit that he was wrong- truly, with no Imperius Curses. I think Percy is acting out of his own free will.

My other comment is a question that has probably been raised earlier in this thread. How did Percy become so obsessed with power and where along the line did he lose those family values? He was raised to appreciate his family and what they had, not to be power hungry and selfish. Perhaps he felt so pressured after Bill and Charlie were so successful that he felt he needed to prove himself by being a big git? I don't understand it.

i think his power struggle def. began when he saw Prefects that Gained Power (or whatever it was called) in Flourish and Blotts- he's been trouble ever since ;)
i think he also has the same trouble Ron has- they both are in their brothers shadow. Percy wasnt the first to be a prefect or head boy- once he was the first at something (working for the ministry) i think he went a little overboard. im guessing whatever Ron finds where he is the first (auror?) he will go a little overboard- luckily he will have hermonie and harry to knock some sense into him :)

Hummm Alnick1 that's a pretty good psych profile! I didn't even think about Percy wanting to get out of the shadows of Bill and Charlie! Interesting take! I can see that as a underlining motive for wanting power.

LESTRANGEMUSTDIE I can see what you mean. I have a friend who was in a terrible accident last year. Many of her friends didn't go to visit her b/c they were ashamed or frightened and after awhile it became too hard to go b/c they were ashamed and guilty. I do not agree with Percy's actions but people can be selfish - extremely selfish - even when they are faced with losing a loved one or seeing a loved one hurt. They may not even realize they are being selfish b/c of their fears and their pride.

Well Percy is a git! Then again I cannot rule out the curse just yet. I am still working it out in my head. If it isn't a curse making him this cruel, I am hoping for a redemption. I just hate to see poor Molly upset about losing her son. :( Hopefully he will come around and prove he belongs with Gryffindor! ;)

He abandoned his decorum at the end of the second test in GoF over his concern for Ron, then does nothing when his father is gravely injured? The idea of Malfoy involvement also explains how Percy got promoted when he should have been disciplined or fired.
Whoa never thought about the Ron thing like that... that's a really good point. Did I miss that argument in here somewhere?? Sorry if I did. You're right, it could go both ways... And JKR does love to make us think one thing while the opposite turns out to be true.

i think he also has the same trouble Ron has- they both are in their brothers shadow. Percy wasnt the first to be a prefect or head boy- once he was the first at something (working for the ministry) i think he went a little overboard. im guessing whatever Ron finds where he is the first (auror?) he will go a little overboard- luckily he will have hermonie and harry to knock some sense into him
Very good observation, I think you're spot on.

i think his power struggle def. began when he saw Prefects that Gained Power (or whatever it was called) in Flourish and Blotts- he's been trouble ever since ;)

I don't know about trouble ever since; he's been ambitious ever since. There's a big difference, although the two are often inclusive. He only turned to trouble in GoF. Remember, he was Head Boy in PoA, and was he ever trouble? Not really. Hanging around DD and Snape's conversation, perhaps, thinking he was more important than he was, certainly, but trouble? I think he only got bad (not evil, bad) in GoF.

I hope I'm not offending anyone or straying off the topic when I say Percy's a right dumba**. He was a total prat who I wanted to have a butt kicking. I can't wait till he goes back to his family. What will they do? Anyhoo, does anyone know if he's still with Penelope?

I think he's still going to ignore his family, however I do believe that eventually near the end of book seven they will all become one big happy family again.(that is unless a weasly dies :upset: )

I am hoping for redemption. Percy was placed in Gryfindor for a reason and I hope we see that soon!

I think that Percy will go back to his family when he is older (Book 7 maybe) because he will be more mature and might've realized his mistakes.

Percy will get powerhungry and might do anything to become minister. But something might happen that will change him and turn him towards his family. Maybe deatheaters will strike or something.

I do hope for a redemption for Percy. It is hard to tell though. I think he is indeed powerhungry. He is also over worship the authority. he never think for a sec that the ministary could be wrong.

Have anyone though about Percy's girlfriend? What role will she pay? Will she help Percy go back to his family? Sometime the gf have a lot of influence.

Waht if Fudge Kills Percy?

What Fudge wants to kill Percy though? He is not importatn enough to be killed by Fudge. I do see the possible Fercy will take fire for Fudge in the future political problem.

I don't think Percy will stay with Fudge. He'll be feeling really betrayed by Fudge's lack of power and knowledge. At the same time, Percy will be resenting DD for making that lack of power come to light. Unwilling to face his own bad behavior, Percy will focus on DD destroying the fountain of magical brethren and other trivialities.

I agree that Wormtail and Malfoy will be key in this. Scabbers belonged to Percy before he belonged to Ron; Malfoy's very righ and powerful-- precisely what Percy wants to be. With Percy's current frame of mind, it would not be very difficult for either one of them to convince him to join a faction that's anti-Fudge and anti-DD, while helping him to lie to himself that it has nothing to do with Voldy.

I do think that Percy will be redeemed in the end, but only after his actions have caused the death of one of his family members, probably his mom.

But we know about Snape doing some kind of spy work with much more dangerous people - Death Eaters. Why would Percy keep his a secret from everyone while the whole Order knows about Snape? I highly doubt he is working for the Order undercover. The supposed clues in the letter were just Percy trying to show-off to Ron how "important" he is at the Ministry by hinting at classified information.



I suspect you're right. But it is possible that Percy is working undercover for the order. Dumbledore (I assume since he picks the prefects apparently) did pick him for Head Boy. Or at the very least for prefect. So maybe there's something more there that we're not seeing. (I realize he also picked Draco but I assume there are much slimmer pickings amongst the Slytherins.)

As for "we would know if he were working for the order" I don't see why. Yes we know about Snape. But that does not preclude that there are many things the Order is doing that we do NOT know. We only know what Harry knows and I suspect that Harry knows much less about the Order than he thinks he does.

Hmm.... I see where you're all coming from here. I like the points about Percy being under the Imperius, especially the 'handwriting' clues. JK does love top forshadow! Also, I would say that we wouldn't know all that well when he was put under the curse (assuming he was) so what we think is 'normal' behaviour may not have been at all. After all, Ron did think that Percy was going strange when he became more power hungry.

If he weren't under the curse but just being an idiot, I think some Weasleys would forgive easier than others. Fred and George I don't think would forgive him. I'm not sure Ron could after what he said about Harry. And Ginny, well, I think she'd probably have reservations too. I don't know enough about Bill and Charlie to guess their reactions. In fact, it'd probably be just Molly and Arthur. Parental love is a very strong thing.

(hope I'm putting this in the right place...)

In the second book, Ron mentions at least twice how Tom Riddle and Percy sound a lot alike.
"'He sounds like Percy,' said Ron, wrinkling his nose in disgust, "Prefect, Head Boy. . .probably top of every class--" (p.234 HPCoS American version)
"'Riddle does sound like Percy--who asked him to squeal on Hagrid, anyway?'" (p.250 HPCoS American version)
Do you think anything will come of this? Especially considering Percy's actions and role in OotP? Im very interested to hear what you all think about this.

I have no desire to read the 150 posts before this, so forgive me if somebody already said this: Percy seems to have a love of power, but only within the rules. He wouldn't join the DEs, because that would be breaking the rules and Percy's personality would not let him do that. Of course, Percy follows the letter of the law, not the spirit, so he often appears amoral in his quest for power.

The only way Percy is not going to join the DE is if his family can forgive him. If they can not accept Percy back then I can only see him going down the Voldermort route or cling to Fudge for any kind of support. With Percy its a difficult for me to decide. Know thinking about I am not sure where he will end up. It depends upon why he turned his back on Dumbledore and joined Fudge in the first place. Was it due to the fear of accepting that Voldermort had returned or something Dumbledore may have said to Percy, that caused him to change sides in such a way.

I know he likes power but Dumbledore is one of the most powerful wizards around and seems to have more clout than Fudge anyway. Surely Percy would have know that Dumbledore was telling the truth and would have eventually beaten back Fudge, Percy is not stupid.

So I think Dumbledore might have done something to cause Percy to go against him in that way and also against his parent.

I believe that Percy will come crawling home, as pompous as ever (that's an oxy moron, isn't it? Oh, well) I think that Mrs. Weasley will hug him, cry and then yell at him. I think that Mr. Weasley will forgive him in a short period of time, but I doubt that the kids will be so forgiving. He will be still be overly pompous, I know he will.

I hope Percy comes back. If he apologizes, he just may be a new fav. character of mine. After all, it takes a big person to humble themselves before the people they love the most. Speaking of love, what does Penny Clearwater think of his actions? This could add an intersting twist.

I have no desire to read the 150 posts before this, so forgive me if somebody already said this: Percy seems to have a love of power, but only within the rules. He wouldn't join the DEs, because that would be breaking the rules and Percy's personality would not let him do that. Of course, Percy follows the letter of the law, not the spirit, so he often appears amoral in his quest for power.

But what has his love of following the rules gotten him? No one in his family is on speaking trems with him and he is very angry. If Penolope is not in the picture anymore, i would be shocked if he has any friends at all or anyone to even talk to. as formal as he acts to everyone, I doubt he has any people skills. He probally couldn't even understand why even his own mother would want to talk to him after the way he has behaved. That would deffinately unhinge a person. Percy in that case would be confused. He always thought that following the rules would never lead him wrong, but it has. Not only was his current idol (Fudge) wrong, but even worse Percy was wrong. Percy will not handle it well. He is left at a crossroads. He will need to reevaluate this thoughts, opinions and values. Will he accept that there is nothing more important than his family? Or perhaps he was wrong the follows rules and laws? What have rules and laws done for him?
Percy is young, and coupled with his lack of people skills he is very vonuerable and easily manipulated. Some rat(take that literally and figurativly) could come along and convince him the DE philosophy is the way to go.

Just a thought who thinks these words could be an accurate descriptrion of Percy: full of hatred, greed, and ambition?

I have no desire to read the 150 posts before this, so forgive me if somebody already said this: Percy seems to have a love of power, but only within the rules. He wouldn't join the DEs, because that would be breaking the rules and Percy's personality would not let him do that. Of course, Percy follows the letter of the law, not the spirit, so he often appears amoral in his quest for power.
Well yes; but if the Ministry hadn't had the existance of Voldemort thrown into their eyes in the end of Harry's 5th year, down in the DoM; we don't know how far the Ministry would go to downplay Voldemort's come-back. And Percy follows the Ministry whole-heartedly; he wouldn't believe that they could do anything wrong; he wouldn't go checking the rulebooks. Don't forget that Fudge is the kind of person who wouldn't mind bending a couple (of dussin) rules to stay in power. And Percy follows Fudge about like a dog.. So as long as Percy wouldn't be instructed to go kill someone; he would believe to 100% that he was following the right way through working for the Ministry.

Sorry but I didn't read all the previous pages, only this one

In the second book, Ron mentions at least twice how Tom Riddle and Percy sound a lot alike.
"'He sounds like Percy,' said Ron, wrinkling his nose in disgust, "Prefect, Head Boy. . .probably top of every class--" (p.234 HPCoS American version)
"'Riddle does sound like Percy--who asked him to squeal on Hagrid, anyway?'" (p.250 HPCoS American version)
Do you think anything will come of this? Especially considering Percy's actions and role in OotP? Im very interested to hear what you all think about this.

Not only this but in GoF after the trio had met Snuffles and Snuffles told them about Criuch having his own son sent to Azkaban there is that odd moment:

"Percy would never throw any of his family to the Dmentors" said Hermione severely.

"I don't know" said Ron "if he thought we were standing in the way of his career ... Percy's really ambitious, you know ..."

GoF Bloomsbury pb. pg 463

Percy is ambitious plus he can't admit to mistakes he made ... just remember when the twins send some dragon dung to the ministery and Percy just predicated that was some sample of fertiliser from Norway?

Percy hates to "loose his face". I don't see him admiting he was wrong in not believing Dumbledore and Harry.

I don't see him as a Death Eater either, but I see him as someone who could unwillingly end up helping the bad guys, just because he is too proud.

Sabine

After reading most of your posts, I agree with most of you that Percy is a stickler for the rules. But, as I said in a different thread, I don't believe that Percy is acting of his own free will. IMO Wormtail is impersonating Percy. Either by polyjuice potion or by a wand. Wormtail lived with the Weasleys for 12 years and was Percys rat before he was handed down to Ron. He would know all of Percy's character flaws and behaviorisms. It explains Wormtails absence for all of book 5. It also expains the separation from his family. They would certainly notice if he was making polyjuice potion and drinking it every hour. And Wormtail would have to be able to keep Percy incapasitated and unfound. Thus, He could'nt stay with the weasleys and had to keep them away.(THE BIG FIGHT) Wormtails greatest stregnth is being a spy. And where would be the ideal place....MoM. Right in Fudges' office where Voldemort can hear everything going on about DD, Harry, The Order, and himself.

After reading most of your posts, I agree with most of you that Percy is a stickler for the rules. But, as I said in a different thread, I don't believe that Percy is acting of his own free will. IMO Wormtail is impersonating Percy. Either by polyjuice potion or by a wand. Wormtail lived with the Weasleys for 12 years and was Percys rat before he was handed down to Ron. He would know all of Percy's character flaws and behaviorisms. It explains Wormtails absence for all of book 5. It also expains the separation from his family. They would certainly notice if he was making polyjuice potion and drinking it every hour. And Wormtail would have to be able to keep Percy incapasitated and unfound. Thus, He could'nt stay with the weasleys and had to keep them away.(THE BIG FIGHT) Wormtails greatest stregnth is being a spy. And where would be the ideal place....MoM. Right in Fudges' office where Voldemort can hear everything going on about DD, Harry, The Order, and himself.

So just for the sake of argument: Where would be the reason to impersonate Percy of all the ministery workers? Percy isn't important at the ministery. And if Voldemort would want a spy in the MoM (and I am sure he has just about enough there) so why Percy and not someone in a more powerful position? And if Wormtail was impersonating Percy then why send a letter to Ron? Ron would not have missed it. So to say it was sort of cover-up doesn't make sense.

Sometimes I think Wormtail is a real Stress through OotP ... some say he impersoned Sirius - now he should have done that with Percy ;)

Sorry, I know we have seen more than one Animagus but do you think this polyjuice thing will really come up again? After all we have seen it twice - thats about enough - for me anyway ;)

Sabine

I think that Molly will be the only one to really be able to except Percy back. The rest of the family will still hold a grudge because they can be as stubborn as him. And I believe that the siblings didn't like Percy anyway.

Percy basically betrayed his family for his own blind ambition. If his family does except him back will he want to go back??? He seems to blinded by his ambition. He would have done well in Slytherien.

After reading most of your posts, I agree with most of you that Percy is a stickler for the rules. But, as I said in a different thread, I don't believe that Percy is acting of his own free will. IMO Wormtail is impersonating Percy. Either by polyjuice potion or by a wand. Wormtail lived with the Weasleys for 12 years and was Percys rat before he was handed down to Ron. He would know all of Percy's character flaws and behaviorisms. It explains Wormtails absence for all of book 5. It also expains the separation from his family. They would certainly notice if he was making polyjuice potion and drinking it every hour. And Wormtail would have to be able to keep Percy incapasitated and unfound. Thus, He could'nt stay with the weasleys and had to keep them away.(THE BIG FIGHT) Wormtails greatest stregnth is being a spy. And where would be the ideal place....MoM. Right in Fudges' office where Voldemort can hear everything going on about DD, Harry, The Order, and himself.

That would make a lot more sense if Percy tried to get involved in the OotP. Wormtail would know who would be in it so he would know who to follow and what to do. VD can easily get into the Ministry, but getting into the Order, that would be huge.

I find it highly possible that a member of the Weasley family may die in the next book, and that with that death, the remaining Weasleys will band together, Percy included...However I see his pride preventing the reconcilliation until the tragic event occurs.

Near-death wasn't enough to get Percy back..
But I'm confident he's learned from his errors. He'll probably never change and always be a ladder climber but hopefully he'll never completely turn his back on the family again.

Percy was put into gryffindor for a reason. We know that it's possible for family members to be placed in different house (Patil twins, Sirius, Tonks, etc.). So, it wasn't because his siblings were there. Maybe his bravery will be shown when he faces his family's reaction as he apolgizes. I'm not exactly sure that's called bravery though :shrug:.

Percy was put into gryffindor for a reason. We know that it's possible for family members to be placed in different house (Patil twins, Sirius, Tonks, etc.). So, it wasn't because his siblings were there. Maybe his bravery will be shown when he faces his family's reaction as he apolgizes. I'm not exactly sure that's called bravery though :shrug:.

Being put in Gryffindor by the sorting means only: The talents/skills are there its not a guarantee that they will be used appropriate.

I don't think Percy is a coward when it comes to a fight.

But I think he completely lacks the ability to admit that he has flaws or to admit, to himself if you will, that he decided something wrong.

Percy, seems to me, has some really oversized ego. To apologise to his family would mean to him to humiliate himself. And I fear thats too much for Percy.

Sabine

Being put in Gryffindor by the sorting means only: The talents/skills are there its not a guarantee that they will be used appropriate.

I don't think Percy is a coward when it comes to a fight.

But I think he completely lacks the ability to admit that he has flaws or to admit, to himself if you will, that he decided something wrong.

Percy, seems to me, has some really oversized ego. To apologise to his family would mean to him to humiliate himself. And I fear thats too much for Percy.

Sabine

Well, we will see it. I think Percy reaction after seeing he was completely wrong with ihs family, Harry and Dumbledore will be one of the first issues to be solved in book six.

This reaction can be, of course, developed in two ways, either apologising to all them and taking out the Gryffindor in him or either in a Peter Pettigrew way.

We have to remember PP wasn't really in league with LV, just he thought his power was unbearable and his triumph was coming closer so he become too affraid to face LV and surrendered to him. LV may now challenge Percy seeing him as the weakest link in the DD - Potter - Weasley chain. In that case, either Percy will fight (and maybe die) or will surrender becoming a very valuable asset for LV as a spy inside the MoM and the Order. He can maybe even 'apologize' to them and become a meber of the order in order to spy for LV from the inside.

We should keep an eye on Percy Ignatius Weasley....

It's hard to tell what Percy's reaction to being completely and totally wrong will be, as we've got a rather limited view of his character. We've seen him pompous, in a few semi-affectionate scenes, but up until his Ministry siding we'd never seen him make a a real mistake, so we don't know how he'd take that. Not to mention that the entire sequence was a lot more than a mistake. I'm sure that the neighborhood perfectionist is going to take badly to this, and is going to be in a very awkward, uncomfortable, and painful situation... But I don't know how he'll take it. In a perfect little world he'd apologize for his mistakes and everything would be fine. In a less perfect world, he would apologize and nothing would be fine, but whatever devotion he had would keep him there, and that would be a great display of whatever had gotten him into Gryffindor. And he might never apologize but come back. Or continue to ignore whatever happens until it slaps him in the face. Or liase with Voldemort.

He may have the groundwork for courage but we don't know what form it'll take, how much he has, or if it'll even have any effect on what he does. It would eventually, but it wouldn't have to right away. Personally I'd rather not have Percy as our neighborhood side-hopper, but you never know.

On death bringing Percy back, and how Arthur's mauling wasn't enough - did Percy know?

I dunno, I see him as having too much pride to ever go and give his family a proper apology. He'll probably just dismiss the entire incident and act as if it never happened. He'll go back on speaking terms with his family, I'm sure, but I think that's as far as it'll go. He just disappointed a lot in OoTP and I can't really see him becoming the humble, guilt-ridden sort after that.

I was one of the few who did believe Percy wouldn't turn his back to his family and still I'm thinking that Percy never did so. I do think that its possible that Percy plays a role. This say he is in my mind for sure not the Weasley who will betray the good side to Voldemort. That would be to easy. Its like one time wrong have to be the bad guy too. Of course Percy is the perfect person for Harry to believe he is the bad one thats why I think Percy is not the bad one. Quiet opposite. Percy seems to be a smart but blind one but he cares for his family this we can read in COS, GoF. Thats why I don't believe this story not at all believe. There are two possibles 1) He is a ministery spy from the order.
This say DD does suspect Fudge and his motives thats why he need Percy that close to Fudge. Of course the whole family of Percy have to believe he did betray them and Percy have to play pretty good in that case. I do think he can that at hands of COS.

or 2) He is under the imperius curse. Hints for that we have that Percy says in his letter always Harry Potter.

Now I do think this letter isn't there because Percy want to forbid him to see Harry or Prefect. I think its a warning what might happen at Hogwarts. If you think about it this statements like: Umbridge is a truely entlighten woman. Thats sounds rather sacarstic. I really doubt Percy was ever against DD because 1) If someone freals nearly that much out like he did at 2nd task about Ron's safety. I can't think its otherwise.
2) I said before Percy is smart enough to get this picture after GoF that Crouch was under the imperius curse and that something bad was going on. True in GoF he was blind but to think that he is truely at Fudge side I don't buy that. There is more going on.

In this case I would think Harry get this somehow in book6 and starts to dislike DD. Why? Because he did this to the Weasleys. I do think Percy might die in book6 and through this the Weasleys get he was a spy. This would realy something what let DD looks rather badly and I do think DD is someone who just do such things. He did at least do that too to Harry in OotP. A whole year he did avoid Harry. If he do this by someone who he really deeply care than imagine what he do by other people.

Unfortunately, I think that Percy is going to be murdered by Death Eaters.
Poor bugger coz in the movie is ain't bad looking!

I can see him being seduced by "the Dark Side' and working for Voldemort. Percy is attracted to power, and he is already estranged from his family. He might be like Sirius brother...being seduced by soe of the things baout it but when he finds out what they really want to do and realizes he's in over his head and tries to get out...BOOM! Poor Percy...

i think tt percy will slowly regain his love 4 his family and snub fudge becoz he will get kick out of the ministry and mr. weasley will take over him.then he will remain in his job and go back to the burrow and apologise.

We all know Percy is a rule lover. He also loves his job and the ministry.. But I
think he will apologize to his parents.. :sigh:

Percy would have to be REALLY stupid to ignore the fact that the Ministry was wrong for a whole year. I think he'll learn from this mistake and won't put blind faith in the establishment.

I agree with most of the other posters: forgiveness will come immediately from Mrs. Weasly but it will take time for the others. Especially since Percy's pride is going to make apologizing difficult in the first place. I can just see him trying to do it in a letter.

I do have to admit Percy is in dangerous territory and will probably help Voldemort unintentionally if he doesn't apologize and get the real info on what's going on.

I don't believe that Fudge is going to cooperate even though he has accepted that Voldemort is back. Think back to that conversation in GOF: he doesn't want to do anything unpopular even if it will save them in the long run. He may even continue to actively work against Dumbeldore's efforts to recruit other magical beings.

Why am I reminded of the similarities in Percy's bootlicking of his MoM superiors and in the Death Eaters' subservient behavior to Voldemort? (especially Wormtail's behavior)

Something else that has been skirted around but not really mentioned: Wormtail was Percy's "pet" for years. Is it possible that Wormtail has exerted an influence on Percy by means other than the Imperius Curse? Surely there are potions and spells available to wizards which would alter behavior; and when you consider that Percy was at a very impressionable age during the time when Wormtail lived with the Weasleys, some alterations to Percy's personality could have been made permanent. Percy was a fifth-year and had just been made a prefect when Harry started at Hogwarts, so he couldn't have been more than 15 years old. And Wormtail had been with the Weasleys for ten years by that time, which would mean that Percy would have been around five years old when Wormtail became his "pet".

Like many other people, I believe that Percy will make a pompous overture of reconciliation that will only be completely accepted by his mother. Percy will not be admitted to the OotP, simply because he is a security risk. And now that he has been on his own, I doubt he would move back in with his folks anyway. As to his future role, I see two possibilities: one, that he will be used by Voldemort and his supporters with tragic consequences; or two, that he will discover something vital to OotP and find the intestinal fortitude to let Dumbledore and Company know about it, despite the potential for personal harm. I'd like to see Percy wind up on the good side, and a better human being than he showed himself to be in Book 5.

There may be redemption for Percy. Sure the attack on his father was something he should have been concerned about but perhaps he had this inability to even consider the truth of LV's return, just like Fudge. If he had genuinely thought that the hospitalisation was the result of his father's irresponsible and criminal actions while hanging out with the 'dangerous crowd' around DD, he wouldn't have visited him.

I consider Percy's highest point in authority to be judge of a task in the Triwizard tournament. This was a high-profile position, one that was previously occupied by his superior, Mr. Crouch and subsequently by Fudge himself. This was a big deal for someone who was, the previous year, just a headboy of one of the participating schools. And yet look how it turned out. He waded into the water to get Ron out of the lake forgetting that it would look like he was helping Harry, a champion. He didn't look to Dumbledore and Bagman, who had waited by the lakeshore. But family mattered to him. He wouldn't let Ron go either. Read the chapter. He'd turned white, dignity wasn't even an issue. Just like it wasn't when he was dancing like a maniac after Gryffindor won the Quidditch Cup.

There may be redemption for Percy. Sure the attack on his father was something he should have been concerned about but perhaps he had this inability to even consider the truth of LV's return, just like Fudge. If he had genuinely thought that the hospitalisation was the result of his father's irresponsible and criminal actions while hanging out with the 'dangerous crowd' around DD, he wouldn't have visited him.

I consider Percy's highest point in authority to be judge of a task in the Triwizard tournament. This was a high-profile position, one that was previously occupied by his superior, Mr. Crouch and subsequently by Fudge himself. This was a big deal for someone who was, the previous year, just a headboy of one of the participating schools. And yet look how it turned out. He waded into the water to get Ron out of the lake forgetting that it would look like he was helping Harry, a champion. He didn't look to Dumbledore and Bagman, who had waited by the lakeshore. But family mattered to him. He wouldn't let Ron go either. Read the chapter. He'd turned white, dignity wasn't even an issue. Just like it wasn't when he was dancing like a maniac after Gryffindor won the Quidditch Cup.

Percy may have redemption, because he hasn't shown any 'bad' actions today, he is just a pompous, overesponsible idiot and has an absolute adoration for power and rules. On the other side, he may be too 'proud' to recognize his mistake over Umbridge (so deligthful woman) and LV's return and this can provoke him either going staright to the dark side or being useful to them enyway. He can be another case of 'fake flag' recruitment for the dark ones.

Being put in Gryffindor by the sorting means only: The talents/skills are there its not a guarantee that they will be used appropriate.
I totally agree, Sabine. Well said! After all, it must have taken some guts for Percy to walk out on his entire family and family ideals. I know I'd never have dared to do it myself. But Percy did. Remember, being brave doesn't necessarly mean that you do the right thing (in other words that not all Gryffindors are wonderful) but at least that you dare to go and do whatever you feel is right. Whether it is or not is another story.

I totally agree, Sabine. Well said! After all, it must have taken some guts for Percy to walk out on his entire family and family ideals. I know I'd never have dared to do it myself. But Percy did. Remember, being brave doesn't necessarly mean that you do the right thing (in other words that not all Gryffindors are wonderful) but at least that you dare to go and do whatever you feel is right. Whether it is or not is another story.

I agree with you that being Gryffindor don't mean you are nice. Its can rather be that you are arrogant. I mean if you bolt enough to do what ever you believe in or whatever you have to do than its not neccesary to be a nice thing. Or brave enough means not playing all the time the hero rather that you do what you think is right. Just look at Harry he does whatever he think is right. Well now after book5 we know where it can lead.
The Twins stand up against the own mother its another thing. I don't think Percy did betray his family and I will explain why?

It was in GoF to obvious he would do it. Ron did always speak rather bad about him, did dislike Percy at some points. Its for my taste by far to obvious and JKR is not like that, she was never like that. Harry reaction in OotP isn't shocked that Percy did it. I do think just let think Percy had stayed by his family and this way than I'm sure Harry were more surprised at this.
We hear that DD had spys in the Ministerium. Fudge knows that Mr. Weasley sides with DD and I'm sure he did suspect a lot more people in the Ministerium thats why he did send Umbridge.

Isn't it greatly suspicious that shortly after Percy get this new job by Fudge as personal assitant that he broke up with his family? Like he isn't allowed to lose it again. To be brave and bolt means to work as spy, too. In fact nobody is that close to Fudge like Percy thats even the reason why DD did know so well what Fudge did think of him. Its by far to easy to say Percy did betray his family, its to obvious. I mean we as reader we did smell it miles and miles away that Percy would do this. But how would be if it was never like that?

Why am I reminded of the similarities in Percy's bootlicking of his MoM superiors and in the Death Eaters' subservient behavior to Voldemort? (especially Wormtail's behavior)

Something else that has been skirted around but not really mentioned: Wormtail was Percy's "pet" for years. Is it possible that Wormtail has exerted an influence on Percy by means other than the Imperius Curse?

As to his future role, I see two possibilities: one, that he will be used by Voldemort and his supporters with tragic consequences; or two, that he will discover something vital to OotP and find the intestinal fortitude to let Dumbledore and Company know about it, despite the potential for personal harm. I'd like to see Percy wind up on the good side, and a better human being than he showed himself to be in Book 5.

I agreee with all of these statements and I have been bothered by the fact that Wormtail was Percy's pet rat, scabbers and then Ron's as well. He was privy to many family conversations and "Harry" conversations. He has a great deal of "insider information" this would make him quite valuable to Voldemort. I think there could me "more to come" from Wormtail as a result of him living with the Weasley family for all of those years.

I wondered about Scabbers too. I don't have many insights on it but I do think that it is scary how much information Scabbers found out.

I also liked the idea on how Percy acts towards the Minister and how the DEs treat voldemort. I believe there is always trouble when you think that someone can do no wrong and you follow them blindly.

Yes that is quite an interesting point of view. Scabbers belonged to Percy and it was he that gave that rat to Ron. So how did Percy gain Wormtail, where did he find him. Did Wormtail come out of hiding when with Percy and convince him that a position of power will be given to him if he helps Wormtail with the bringing back of Voldemort and Wormtails own safety. Percy spell to turn the dumb fat rat yellow, suggests that Percy might have know that this was not a rat but a person. Dumb for falling at Voldemorts feet and yellow for chickening out and betraying the Potters.

I feel that Percy might replace Luciuses position within the Ministry of Magic as he holds a much higher position that Lucius ever held and that Voldemort may use Percy to get further into the heart of the MoM. Percy is lost at the moment and can only really stay within the MoM at the side of Crouch and by becoming a DE as his family do not seem to want him back, or should I say his parents do not want him.

So I think Percy might actually become a DE and stay as Lucius did, at the MoM as Crouches right hand man.

Yes that is quite an interesting point of view. Scabbers belonged to Percy and it was he that gave that rat to Ron. So how did Percy gain Wormtail, where did he find him. Did Wormtail come out of hiding when with Percy and convince him that a position of power will be given to him if he helps Wormtail with the bringing back of Voldemort and Wormtails own safety. Percy spell to turn the dumb fat rat yellow, suggests that Percy might have know that this was not a rat but a person. Dumb for falling at Voldemorts feet and yellow for chickening out and betraying the Potters.

I feel that Percy might replace Luciuses position within the Ministry of Magic as he holds a much higher position that Lucius ever held and that Voldemort may use Percy to get further into the heart of the MoM. Percy is lost at the moment and can only really stay within the MoM at the side of Crouch and by becoming a DE as his family do not seem to want him back, or should I say his parents do not want him.

So I think Percy might actually become a DE and stay as Lucius did, at the MoM as Crouches right hand man.

Huh!? Crouch has been dead since before LV returned to a body. And Lucius had no official position in the MoM - he just spent his money among them for influence and access. Percy as of OOTP has been Fudge's stooge. I sus pect that in the course of Book 6, Fudge will be out, but that's speculation. And I doubt Molly and Arthur would reject Percy, if he came back and said he was wrong, in even an oblique way, or at the very least that he was a monumental git towards his family beyond the difference of opinion. I cannot believe Percy would ever become a DE, although his foolishness can be exploited to further their aims.

I think that Percy won't apologize to his family. He's just stupid, I think. He cares about power more than his family - he still cares about his family, very much, actually, but he cares about how much power he has more. This is why I think he might become a Death Eater.... If Voldemort or a Death Eater offers him power, he most likely won't turn it down, especially now.

I think that Percy won't apologize to his family. He's just stupid, I think. He cares about power more than his family - he still cares about his family, very much, actually, but he cares about how much power he has more. This is why I think he might become a Death Eater.... If Voldemort or a Death Eater offers him power, he most likely won't turn it down, especially now.

You know I go back and forth with agreeing with this. One thing that makes me disagree is in the GoF, Ron was put in the lake during the second task. After he emerges, Percy sweeps Ron away to make sure he was ok. And Percy also sent a letter in OotP to Ron to try to protect him. Now his intentions were wrong and misguided but I think (and I know I am going to get yelled at for this) but I really think his heart was in the right place. He was trying to protect his baby brother by instill what he believed was right. And I know he didn't visit his dad but we dont know if he checked up on him.

I do agree he wants power but I think he will end up more like his idol Crouch than a death eater. And look at Snape, if he can reform, anyone can!

Yes that is quite an interesting point of view. Scabbers belonged to Percy and it was he that gave that rat to Ron. So how did Percy gain Wormtail, where did he find him. Did Wormtail come out of hiding when with Percy and convince him that a position of power will be given to him if he helps Wormtail with the bringing back of Voldemort and Wormtails own safety. Percy spell to turn the dumb fat rat yellow, suggests that Percy might have know that this was not a rat but a person. Dumb for falling at Voldemorts feet and yellow for chickening out and betraying the Potters.
Percy was around three when Wormtail ended up a "permanent rat". I don't know how long a time it took before Percy got Wormtail/Scabbers as a pet, but I doubt he was old enough to be more than a laughing kid. I don't think Wormtail would risk himself to show himself to one small kid. Neither he nore Percy nor anyone else knew how power-hungry Percy would turn out. Ron, for instance, would never be convinced of a deal like that.

Also, it was Fred and/or George who taught Ron the "spell".

You know I go back and forth with agreeing with this. One thing that makes me disagree is in the GoF, Ron was put in the lake during the second task. After he emerges, Percy sweeps Ron away to make sure he was ok. And Percy also sent a letter in OotP to Ron to try to protect him. Now his intentions were wrong and misguided but I think (and I know I am going to get yelled at for this) but I really think his heart was in the right place. He was trying to protect his baby brother by instill what he believed was right. And I know he didn't visit his dad but we dont know if he checked up on him.
I can agree with you there. Percy obviously knew his parents were "in the wrong", but didn't know how far his brothers had gone. I agree that he was concerned for Ron. After all, he firmly believed in the cause. For him, it was a very good deed, a "just because my parents are all wrong, I don't want my little brother to grow up wrong". However.. the pompousness was a bit unbarable.

I can agree with you there. Percy obviously knew his parents were "in the wrong", but didn't know how far his brothers had gone. I agree that he was concerned for Ron. After all, he firmly believed in the cause. For him, it was a very good deed, a "just because my parents are all wrong, I don't want my little brother to grow up wrong". However.. the pompousness was a bit unbarable.

THANKS! I just hope that Percy will redeem himself even though he is a "prat!" I am not saying I like Percy or even trust him, I just think that he means well but his intentions are in the WRONG place. Also we can look at both Ron and Percy as being insecure b/c they are poor. Percy wants a "better" aka wealthier life than what his parents gave him. He feels his only chance is through the ministry and power. He is ambitious to a fault. But he does believe he is doing the right thing even though we know he isn't.

I agree also that Percy does have the best intentions. He just that he oblivious to the fact that he is a complete idiot. His ambition is blinding him. I think it was earlier in this thread that i mentioned that I thought that Percy could fit this description of Quirrel quite well....

full of hatred, greed, and ambition,


Hatered from being estranged from his family, greed because he desires more than his family has provied him and we all know he is quite ambitious.

This could be a dangerous combination. I do not believe that Percy could ever be truly evil, but i think that he could be easily manipulated. He really is quite naive. And with wormtail, who surely knows percy better than anyone, Percy could be in serious trouble...

Check this out http://mugglenet.com/wwp/subplot-percy.shtml it raises some interesting discussions on this subject....you know, things are rarely what they seem!

Liselle

I think that they will make up at the end. And be a nice loving family.

I think that Mrs. Weasly will be killed by Percy. That's because in the quest for the holy grail the King Perceves (or something like that) had the chance to save some other king from death with the holy grail but was ignorent and ended up killing his mother. Since J.K.R. takes all her names, and fates from legend, couldn't this happen? Just another one of my crazy ideas!

Ya know, I think that is possible. I was afraid Molly was going to be the "death" in book 5. Although I hated that it was Sirius, I was relieved that it wasn't Molly. JKR did lose her mother in childhood and she has said that losing her mother was very hard on her. I think losing a mother figure in book 6 or 7 is a possibility. Molly is certainly a candidate, if one follows those lines of thinking. JKR is just too hard to predict.

I think Percy is going to mess up pretty big time, however his actions in book 5 could be a red herring. JKR is good at that kind of thing as well.

Just to point out - just because he is/was a Gryffindor doesn't mean he'll be brave and good.

Wormtail Pettigrew was in Gryffindor, and look how much of a spineless weasel he turned out to be!

Just to point out - just because he is/was a Gryffindor doesn't mean he'll be brave and good.

Wormtail Pettigrew was in Gryffindor, and look how much of a spineless weasel he turned out to be!

Are we sure that Wormtail was in Griffindor? I can't remember, does it state that Wormtail was in Griffindor? I've always assumed that he was.

I think JKR confirmed somewhere that James was a Gryffindor (I know she confirmed Lily was) and if James was one, Wormtail was probably one too.

I think JKR confirmed somewhere that James was a Gryffindor (I know she confirmed Lily was) and if James was one, Wormtail was probably one too.

Was in Sorcerer's Stone or Chamber of Secrets??? Remember the scene where Ron had detention and he had to clean the trophies and he saw the trophy where James was a seeker (or a beater or something) on the Griffindor Quidditch team??? What position did James play? Anyway...I still can't remember if we have ever heard what house Wormtail was in. Lupin was head boy, right? For Griffindor, correct??? I think this stuff is documented on a website somewhere...It's like a timetabe, is it the Leaky Cauldron? I'm going to go look. :tu:

It was The Harry Potter Lexicon...I read the bio on Wormtail, said that we just don't know what house he was in, but think that it was Griffindor because he was with James, Sirius and Lupin all the time.

As to Percy being in Griffindor, we haven't heard of any Griffindor's who are Death Eater's. (Yet) I still hold out hope that he will stick with his Weasley family roots and "see the light" about Fudge and his leadership of the MoM. Percy is extremely power thirsty, wants to prove something. He's an uppity snot who cannot admit when he was wrong. A "Social Climber" type. Always looking around to see who he can "belly up to" to make himself feel and look better than the rest of his family and thier social/professional position in the wizarding world. This is an extreme weakness on Percy's part, one that Voldemort can exploit. Just as Fudge's insecurities have been exploited by Malfoy to the advantage of the Death Eaters/Voldemort. Voldemort and his De's are very adept at "Divide and Conquer". Percy could be on their list.

Firstly, James was a Chaser on the Gryffindor team, NOT a seeker as in the films. It was a mistake in the films, though I don't think it's really supposed to be very important else JK would have raised a fuss about it.

I assumed that Wormtail would be in Gryffindor since the others were, and it would be odd for someone like Peter to 'worm' his way in (sorry about the pun!) to a close group of friends from another house. Harry, Ron and Hermione are always having their 'little chats' in the Common Room - I assume that James and co did the same, and if they did then it would have been difficult for them if Peter wasn't a Gryffindor.

For what it‘s worth, I‘d like to add my two cents to the Percy discussion. Personally I think that, unknown to all but Dumbledore, Percy is working as a spy for the Order at the Ministry. Other people (don't quite remember where) have pointed out that Percy‘s letter to Ron can be interpreted in another but the literal sense and seeing as JKR is never straightforward, I believe that Percy is actually warning him. I think Percy is much too clever to stand behind the Ministry the way he is described to and find it much more likely that he is playing a role. Maybe Molly and Arthur even know and didn‘t want him to be a spy and that‘s why they had an argument and really aren‘t speaking with each other.
Percy might be power hungry, but isn‘t his spying on the Minister and reporting to the Order a very powerful position? After all he is a Gryffindor and growing up in the Weasley family I can't believe he could be this blind and corrupted.
Making sense?

I've heard the theories about Percy being a spy for DD and would agree that they are plausible.