So what is your real sign?

Midnightsfire
October 15th, 2007, 1:01 am
Technically, Ophiuchus is not a zodiacal sign in "Western" astrology due to a historical system in which 12 signs divided equally into 30 degrees each are vital. At present, the Sun is in Ophiuchus from November 30 to December 17.

However, I give you Ophiuchus, the Serpent Bearer (http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm):

In fact, Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign in the Real Solar Zodiac, i.e. the Sun can be seen against the stars of Ophiuchus between 30th November and 17th December each year. [The dates of the cusps move a little from one year to the next, so sometimes they are quoted as 1st December to 18th December.] Aquarius, the Water Carrier, is the actual 13th, and last, sign of the Real Solar Zodiac.

So why isn't Ophiucus in the Commonly-Used Western Zodiac?
Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign. The Moon and planets all are seen against the stars of Ophiuchus. Unfortunately, the answer to the question is that Ophiuchus isn't in the Tropical Zodiac not because there is something wrong with Ophiuchus but because there is something wrong with the Tropical Zodiac. The Tropical Zodiac is an inaccurate oversimplification of the heavens dating from a time when we did not have telescopes or computers. Follow the Zodiac Wheels link for a description of the history of the Zodiacs.
According to this (http://aquarianmysteries.com/ophiuchus2.html); the properties of the Serpent Bearer are:

interpreter of dreams, vivid premonitions,
attracts good luck and fruitful blessings,
serpent holder, lofty ideals,
a seeker of peace and harmony,
doctor of medicine or science, natural-pathic,
adds, increases, joins, or gathers together
poetical, inventive nature, expanding qualities,
seeks higher education and wisdom,
overseer, supervisor of work,
fame - either grand, or completely misunderstood,
longevity, aspirations of healing the ills of man,
architect, builder, reaches for the stars, figuratively and literally,
tax assessor, or levys taxes,
astrological talents, intuitive,
large family indicated, but apt to be separated from them when young,
the number twelve holds great significance,
foresight and good fortune to benefit from hard times,
has secret enemies in family or close associations,
many jealous of this subject,
notable father, apple of father's eye when young,
high position in life expected [depending on aspects] highest fame and legend comes after death
feelings of granular, wise, genius mentality,
likes to wear clothing of vibrant colors, and plaids in particular,
receives the favor of those in authority.So the Astrological Chart should look something like this:

Sun Sign Meaning Dates
01: Pisces the Fishes 12 Mar to 18 Apr
02: Aries the Ram 19 Apr to 13 May
03: Taurus the Bull 14 May to 19 Jun
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
05: Cancer the Crab 21 Jul to 9 Aug
06: Leo the Lion 10 Aug to 15 Sep
07: Virgo the Maiden 16 Sep to 30 Oct
08: Libra the Scales 31 Oct to 22 Nov
09: Scorpius the Scorpion 23 Nov to 29 Nov
10: Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer 30 Nov to 17 Dec
11 Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan
12: Capricornus the Sea Goat 19 Jan to 15 Feb
13: Aquarius the Water Carrier 16 Feb to 11 Mar

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So...what's your sign? :p

Lowrie
October 15th, 2007, 2:02 am
Well According to this it'll be Ophiuchus...

LoveWeasleys
October 15th, 2007, 3:11 am
Interesting MidnightsFire thank you for sharing :D

I would actualy be the Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan

So do the properties of the 12 stay the same as the western Zodiac or are they different?

Midnightsfire
October 15th, 2007, 4:19 am
So do the properties of the 12 stay the same as the western Zodiac or are they different?

I believe they are the same. (I've not read anything contradictory.)

Tonks
October 15th, 2007, 11:02 am
I would also be Ophiuchus which is odd because I always thought the Sag traits suited me well although reading these characteristics, I can see this too.

He is supposedly based off of a real man too?

Midnightsfire
October 15th, 2007, 11:15 am
He is supposedly based off of a real man too?

Hmm...

Asclepius (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/asclepius.html)

Asclepius was a Greek hero who later become the Greek god of medicine and healing. The son of Apollo and Coronis, Asclepius had five daughters, Aceso, Iaso, Panacea, Aglaea and Hygieia. He was worshipped throughout the Greek world but his most famous sanctuary was located in Epidaurus which is situated in the northeastern Peloponnese. The main attribute of Asclepius is a physician's staff with an Asclepian snake wrapped around it; this is how he was distinguished in the art of healing, and his attribute still survives to this day as the symbol of the modern medical profession. The cock was also sacred to Asclepius and was the bird they sacrificed as his altar.

The mother of Asclepius, Coronis, was a mortal, the daughter of Phlegyas, a king of Thessaly. Coronis was unfaithful to Apollo, and Artemis, Apollo's twin sister, killed her for her unfaithfulness. Coronis was placed upon a funeral pyre. (One version says that Apollo cast her into the fires of his own anger.) As her body started to burn, Apollo felt sorrow for his unborn son and snatched the child Asclepius from his mother's corpse, saving him from death. Apollo then handed Asclepius to the Centaur Chiron who became his tutor and mentor.

Chiron taught Asclepius the art of healing. According to Pindar (Pythian Odes), Asclepius also acquired the knowledge of surgery, the use of drugs, love potions and incantations, and according to Apollodorus (the Library), Athena gave Asclepius a magic potion made from the blood of the Gorgon. Legend tells that the blood of the Gorgon has a different effect depending from which side the blood was taken. If taken from the right side of the Gorgon, it has a miraculous effect and is said to be able to bring the dead back to life, but taken from the left side it is a deadly poison.

With these gifts Asclepius exceeded the fringes of human knowledge. However, he offended the great god Zeus by accepting money in exchange for raising the dead. (In one version it was the goddess Artemis who implored Asclepius to resurrect Hippolytus, a favourite of hers.) In the eyes of Zeus, Asclepius' action upset the natural order of the universe - a mere mortal helping man evade death. With one swift action, the great Zeus sent down a thunderbolt killing both men. (In some versions Zeus only killed Asclepius.)
Realising the good Asclepius had brought to man, the great Zeus made him into a god, placing him among the stars, transforming Asclepius into the constellation Ophiuchus (the serpent-bearer). The snake was used in the healing ritual; non-poisonous snakes were left in the dormitory where the sick slept overnight on the bare ground.

The cult of Asclepius became very popular during the 300s BCE and the cult centres (known as an Asclepieion) were used by priests to cure the sick. Invalids also came to the shrines of Asclepius to find cures for their ailments (in the same fashion pilgrims visit Lourdes today.) The process of healing was known as incubation. The patient would spend the night in a dormitory. During the night they would supposedly be visited by the god in a dream. Priests would interpret the dreams and then recommend a remedy or give advice on how they could be cured with perhaps a recommended visit to the baths and gymnasiums. There were many centres and schools of medicine, from Trikkis in Thessaly to the island of Cos. It is believed that Hippocrates, a great doctor of antiquity, plied his trade on the island of Cos. It is also said that Hippocrates was a descendant of Asclepius.

Liselle
October 15th, 2007, 11:50 am
...and I'd be Libra instead of scorpio.

Oh no the confusion! Although to be fair, it does explain some things

snapegirl
October 15th, 2007, 2:11 pm
I would be a Pisces. I think I fit more into Aries, though. I can see of few Pisces traits, but the Aries traits describe me better.

LoonyMagic
October 15th, 2007, 6:43 pm
I'm still a Virgo...:D

HarryPotter
October 15th, 2007, 7:41 pm
I'd be a Gemini according to this. The signs traits would be completely off in that case.

Tonks
October 15th, 2007, 11:07 pm
Hmm...

Asclepius (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/asclepius.html)

Asclepius was a Greek hero who later become the Greek god of medicine and healing. The son of Apollo and Coronis, Asclepius had five daughters, Aceso, Iaso, Panacea, Aglaea and Hygieia. He was worshipped throughout the Greek world but his most famous sanctuary was located in Epidaurus which is situated in the northeastern Peloponnese. The main attribute of Asclepius is a physician's staff with an Asclepian snake wrapped around it; this is how he was distinguished in the art of healing, and his attribute still survives to this day as the symbol of the modern medical profession. The cock was also sacred to Asclepius and was the bird they sacrificed as his altar.

The mother of Asclepius, Coronis, was a mortal, the daughter of Phlegyas, a king of Thessaly. Coronis was unfaithful to Apollo, and Artemis, Apollo's twin sister, killed her for her unfaithfulness. Coronis was placed upon a funeral pyre. (One version says that Apollo cast her into the fires of his own anger.) As her body started to burn, Apollo felt sorrow for his unborn son and snatched the child Asclepius from his mother's corpse, saving him from death. Apollo then handed Asclepius to the Centaur Chiron who became his tutor and mentor.

Chiron taught Asclepius the art of healing. According to Pindar (Pythian Odes), Asclepius also acquired the knowledge of surgery, the use of drugs, love potions and incantations, and according to Apollodorus (the Library), Athena gave Asclepius a magic potion made from the blood of the Gorgon. Legend tells that the blood of the Gorgon has a different effect depending from which side the blood was taken. If taken from the right side of the Gorgon, it has a miraculous effect and is said to be able to bring the dead back to life, but taken from the left side it is a deadly poison.

With these gifts Asclepius exceeded the fringes of human knowledge. However, he offended the great god Zeus by accepting money in exchange for raising the dead. (In one version it was the goddess Artemis who implored Asclepius to resurrect Hippolytus, a favourite of hers.) In the eyes of Zeus, Asclepius' action upset the natural order of the universe - a mere mortal helping man evade death. With one swift action, the great Zeus sent down a thunderbolt killing both men. (In some versions Zeus only killed Asclepius.)
Realising the good Asclepius had brought to man, the great Zeus made him into a god, placing him among the stars, transforming Asclepius into the constellation Ophiuchus (the serpent-bearer). The snake was used in the healing ritual; non-poisonous snakes were left in the dormitory where the sick slept overnight on the bare ground.

The cult of Asclepius became very popular during the 300s BCE and the cult centres (known as an Asclepieion) were used by priests to cure the sick. Invalids also came to the shrines of Asclepius to find cures for their ailments (in the same fashion pilgrims visit Lourdes today.) The process of healing was known as incubation. The patient would spend the night in a dormitory. During the night they would supposedly be visited by the god in a dream. Priests would interpret the dreams and then recommend a remedy or give advice on how they could be cured with perhaps a recommended visit to the baths and gymnasiums. There were many centres and schools of medicine, from Trikkis in Thessaly to the island of Cos. It is believed that Hippocrates, a great doctor of antiquity, plied his trade on the island of Cos. It is also said that Hippocrates was a descendant of Asclepius.


Amazing! Thank you for finding all this!

SSJ_Jup81
October 16th, 2007, 12:55 am
For this, I'd be a Virgo instead of a Libra. Interesting.

kuroi_shi
October 16th, 2007, 1:38 pm
... I'd be a Libra, instead of Scorpio... but, I like scorpio better, so I'm gonna stick with that.. (Scorpio matches my personality better anyway)

Spirit
October 17th, 2007, 1:08 am
Hmm, that's interesting.... I've never heard of that before.

I would still be a Pisces, but just barely though (March 14).

Beatifically
October 17th, 2007, 6:09 am
Since Ophiuchus is a sign, doesn't that ruin the "structure" of astrology? I mean, for instance, each element has three signs in each. Each house (fixed, cardinal, mutable) has four signs - each of a different element. Which does Ophiuchus fall under?

Tonks
October 17th, 2007, 11:17 am
Since Ophiuchus is a sign, doesn't that ruin the "structure" of astrology? I mean, for instance, each element has three signs in each. Each house (fixed, cardinal, mutable) has four signs - each of a different element. Which does Ophiuchus fall under?

I believe this is why the 13th sign is never mentioned or used. It would change the entire system Astrologers have used. According to this:

Unfortunately, the answer to the question is that Ophiuchus isn't in the Tropical Zodiac not because there is something wrong with Ophiuchus but because there is something wrong with the Tropical Zodiac. The Tropical Zodiac is an inaccurate oversimplification of the heavens dating from a time when we did not have telescopes or computers. From: http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm

The Tropical Zodiac was created before the existence of Ophiuchus was known, therefore, once discovered, it was too late to include it. Everything would have to be changed and re-written. That is something I doubt many would be interested in doing.

DarkBeauty
October 17th, 2007, 1:29 pm
My sign is Sagittarius.

Sagittarius is symbolized by the Archer. You're impulsive and inquisitive, needing travel and constant exposure to new foods, people, landscapes and things to do. Change is one thing you can't do without; you are a truth-seeker, and will go to the ends of the earth to find answers!

Element: Fire

Quality: Mutable

Ruling House: Ninth

Ruling Planets: Jupiter

Sagittarius, the ninth Sign of the Zodiac, is the home of the wanderers of the Zodiac. It's not a mindless ramble for these folks, either. Sagittarians are truth-seekers, and the best way for them to do this is to hit the road, talk to others and get some answers. Knowledge is key to these folks, since it fuels their broad-minded approach to life. The Sagittarian-born are keenly interested in philosophy and religion, and they find that these disciplines aid their internal quest. At the end of the day, what Sagittarians want most is to know the meaning of life, and if they accomplish this while feeling free and easy, all the better.

It's the Archer which represents Sagittarians, although in this case it's a Centaur (half man, half beast) which is flinging the arrows. Centaurs were the intellectuals of ancient Roman mythology, and Sagittarians are quick to consider themselves their modern-day counterparts. Those born under this Sign are clear thinkers and choose to look at the big picture most of the time. They also like it when others agree with their well-thought-out point of view. The alternative to this, for better or for worse, is a Sag who can become argumentative and blunt. That's not to say that these folks are intransigent -- Archers will listen to what others have to say, in keeping with the Mutable Quality assigned to this Sign. Indeed, Sagittarians are enthusiastic consumers of information (and enthusiastic in general), the better to get the answers they need. It's also a good idea to give Sags lots of room to explore their world. Once these folks start to feel hemmed in, they'll become impatient and difficult.


http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc228/DarkBeauty73/Sagittarius/SagittariusArcher01.gif

Raven_Girly
October 18th, 2007, 10:09 am
Oh wow, this is interesting! It sure changes things. According to this, I would be a Leo instead of a Virgo. Unfortunately, the Leo description sounds nothing like me, especially since I am quite introverted and Leos are well-known for being extroverts! I think I prefer being a Virgo thanks. :)

Wizard_Pupil
October 18th, 2007, 4:03 pm
I am Sagittarius, but now with the Ophiuchus thing, I see I am Ophiuchus there.
I am Saggitarius or Ophiuchus XD
So I am Ophiuchus?

Yoana
October 19th, 2007, 7:14 pm
I'm still a Leo. But I see my ex would also be a Leo according to this, and he just loves attributing everything that annoys him in me to my zodiac sign. I wonder what he has to say now!

Fawkesfan1
October 23rd, 2007, 3:11 am
I'm still a Leo myself, interesting find though Midnightsfire :clap:! I've never ever even heard of Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer before.

Neptune
October 24th, 2007, 11:58 pm
I'm a Pisces but according to this I'm a Aquarius (which is my mothers sign). It's funny because I've always thought that Aquarius is the only other sign I could be placed under when reading the description. Still though I fit better under Pisces.

Aramina
October 30th, 2007, 5:09 am
I'd be a Virgo. But, Virgo doesn't fit me nearly as well as Scorpio does...I'm prone to passionate outbursts, for one, something that I don't think is really a Virgo trait at all. I'm definitely a Scorpio, through and through.

thethirdman
October 30th, 2007, 5:40 am
I would be a Gemini according to this. Though I don't know much about Western Zodiac because I don't put much stock into it.

Mad_Druid
December 4th, 2007, 7:07 am
I'd be a Capricorn according to this, when normally I'm Aquarian. I do think that Aquarius suits me better.

DancingMaenid
December 8th, 2007, 5:08 am
I would be a Cancer according to this. It does make a bit more sense than Leo.

Castor
December 16th, 2007, 4:06 am
Well, I'm still a Gemini, so no complaints here :D

whitney06
December 17th, 2007, 4:33 am
This says that I'm a Virgo, but I'm generally a Libra. Libra fits me a lot better though.

Bayou
January 9th, 2008, 11:59 am
I'd be a Leo instead of a Virgo..but Virgo describes me so much better. I think I'll stick with Virgo thank you. :)

fantaisia
January 14th, 2008, 1:03 am
According to this I'd be a Virgo, but I read the description and it doesn't sound much like me. Then again, Libra's description only was about 5/8 correct for me also. =/

LBuccalo
January 15th, 2008, 5:33 am
I'm a Leo! Normally I am a Virgo, but I am right around the cusp in regualr astrology.

Loony_Tinne
March 21st, 2008, 3:53 am
A cancer? I'd rather be dead. See I really am a Leo although that does sound pretty crabby!

secunda
March 22nd, 2008, 9:41 pm
then I´m Libra

Lucybird
May 21st, 2008, 12:44 am
I'd be Capricornus the Sea Goat instead of Aquarius

Miss_Gaunt
July 17th, 2008, 4:11 pm
According to this I'm a Virgo but my normal sign is Libra.
I've never thought that Libra fitted me perfectly but I think it suits me better than Virgo does. Virgo doesn't really sound like me at all.

kathleen_hpffl
September 6th, 2008, 2:26 am
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
Honestly, this sign suits me MUCH better than Cancer. So many of my personality traits are in the one of Gemini and not so much of Cancer. Thanks for finding this, it's rather interesting and I will find out more about it. As my real sign says, I'm 'inquisitive and quick to digest new information and ideas.' So true. :)

LikeLuna
September 6th, 2008, 6:15 pm
I've been a Taurus, but according to this I'm an Aries...hmm.

MC2456
September 30th, 2008, 5:23 am
I'm still a TAURUS!!!!!!!!!!! YAY ME!

lilyrose
September 30th, 2008, 11:49 am
I'm actually a Libran but according to this, Virgo.

Morning_Star
October 7th, 2008, 3:50 am
I'm still a Virgo! The Virgo description could really be used to describe me! (Most of it, at least.)

I don't believe much in Astrology, but seeing how accurate many of the descriptions are to my family and friends, I am very uncertain about what to believe. Just after school started after the summer vacation, I read my horoscopes, and it was about 90% correct. (Of course, things like spending time with my kids, as my horoscope said I would do a lot, is impossible because I'm only 15 and not a mother yet. But I did spend a lot of time with my youngest relatives.)

excusemydust
May 26th, 2009, 8:19 pm
I would become a Leo, which, despite my incredible arrogance, would truly not fit my characteristics.

Luna_Luvr55
June 19th, 2009, 5:46 am
...What IS a Ophiuchus? :D

Busterella
August 5th, 2009, 1:05 am
I would be a Cancer, which as a proud Leo I simply have to refuse!

MC2456
November 28th, 2009, 4:06 pm
I think I'm MEANT to be a Taurus. I'm a Taurus here and a Taurus in the 12-signs one.

ookamichan
July 29th, 2010, 9:25 am
According to the new horoscope I'm an Ophiuchus, which fits me better than Sagittarius

toujours
July 29th, 2010, 3:10 pm
I'd be Capricorn instead of Aquarius, and that wouldn't fit :(

APolaris
July 29th, 2010, 9:54 pm
According to this info, I would be an Ophiuchus under the new system. However, in terms of actual traits, while it is a better match for me than Sagittarius, that's not saying much.

I left the asterisks in place for those that would fit me and removed those that wouldn't.

interpreter of dreams, vivid premonitions,

[ ]attracts good luck and fruitful blessings,

serpent holder, lofty ideals,

[ ]a seeker of peace and harmony,

[ ]doctor of medicine or science, natural-pathic,

[ ]adds, increases, joins, or gathers together

poetical, inventive nature, expanding qualities,

seeks higher education and wisdom,

[ ]overseer, supervisor of work,

[ ]fame - either grand, or completely misunderstood,

longevity, aspirations of healing the ills of man,

[ ]architect, builder, reaches for the stars, figuratively and literally,

[ ]tax assessor, or levys taxes,

[ ]astrological talents, intuitive,

[ ]large family indicated, but apt to be separated from them when young,

[ ]the number twelve holds great significance,

foresight and good fortune to benefit from hard times,

has secret enemies in family or close associations,

[ ]many jealous of this subject,

[ ]notable father, apple of father's eye when young,

high position in life expected [depending on aspects] highest fame and legend comes after death

feelings of granular, wise, genius mentality,

[ ]likes to wear clothing of vibrant colors, and plaids in particular,

[ ]receives the favor of those in authority.

I can't speak for astrologically, but I'm pretty sure the basis of the twelve signs in astronomy is that they're approximately 30 degrees apart, hence 12 signs at 30 degrees apart each = 360 degrees in a circle.

evaparker23
July 29th, 2010, 11:59 pm
According to this info, I would be an Ophiuchus under the new system. However, in terms of actual traits, while it is a better match for me than Sagittarius, that's not saying much.

I left the asterisks in place for those that would fit me and removed those that wouldn't.

interpreter of dreams, vivid premonitions,

[ ]attracts good luck and fruitful blessings,

serpent holder, lofty ideals,

[ ]a seeker of peace and harmony,

[ ]doctor of medicine or science, natural-pathic,

[ ]adds, increases, joins, or gathers together

poetical, inventive nature, expanding qualities,

seeks higher education and wisdom,

[ ]overseer, supervisor of work,

[ ]fame - either grand, or completely misunderstood,

longevity, aspirations of healing the ills of man,

[ ]architect, builder, reaches for the stars, figuratively and literally,

[ ]tax assessor, or levys taxes,

[ ]astrological talents, intuitive,

[ ]large family indicated, but apt to be separated from them when young,

[ ]the number twelve holds great significance,

foresight and good fortune to benefit from hard times,

has secret enemies in family or close associations,

[ ]many jealous of this subject,

[ ]notable father, apple of father's eye when young,

high position in life expected [depending on aspects] highest fame and legend comes after death

feelings of granular, wise, genius mentality,

[ ]likes to wear clothing of vibrant colors, and plaids in particular,

[ ]receives the favor of those in authority.

I can't speak for astrologically, but I'm pretty sure the basis of the twelve signs in astronomy is that they're approximately 30 degrees apart, hence 12 signs at 30 degrees apart each = 360 degrees in a circle.

Where did you find that information?

Lumiaya
August 21st, 2010, 11:13 pm
I would become Capricon through this :)

Midnightsfire
January 14th, 2011, 10:58 pm
Technically, Ophiuchus is not a zodiacal sign in "Western" astrology due to a historical system in which 12 signs divided equally into 30 degrees each are vital. At present, the Sun is in Ophiuchus from November 30 to December 17.

However, I give you Ophiuchus, the Serpent Bearer (http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm):

In fact, Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign in the Real Solar Zodiac, i.e. the Sun can be seen against the stars of Ophiuchus between 30th November and 17th December each year. [The dates of the cusps move a little from one year to the next, so sometimes they are quoted as 1st December to 18th December.] Aquarius, the Water Carrier, is the actual 13th, and last, sign of the Real Solar Zodiac.

So why isn't Ophiucus in the Commonly-Used Western Zodiac?
Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign. The Moon and planets all are seen against the stars of Ophiuchus. Unfortunately, the answer to the question is that Ophiuchus isn't in the Tropical Zodiac not because there is something wrong with Ophiuchus but because there is something wrong with the Tropical Zodiac. The Tropical Zodiac is an inaccurate oversimplification of the heavens dating from a time when we did not have telescopes or computers. Follow the Zodiac Wheels link for a description of the history of the Zodiacs.


According to this (http://aquarianmysteries.com/ophiuchus2.html); the properties of the Serpent Bearer are:

interpreter of dreams, vivid premonitions,
attracts good luck and fruitful blessings,
serpent holder, lofty ideals,
a seeker of peace and harmony,
doctor of medicine or science, natural-pathic,
adds, increases, joins, or gathers together
poetical, inventive nature, expanding qualities,
seeks higher education and wisdom,
overseer, supervisor of work,
fame - either grand, or completely misunderstood,
longevity, aspirations of healing the ills of man,
architect, builder, reaches for the stars, figuratively and literally,
tax assessor, or levys taxes,
astrological talents, intuitive,
large family indicated, but apt to be separated from them when young,
the number twelve holds great significance,
foresight and good fortune to benefit from hard times,
has secret enemies in family or close associations,
many jealous of this subject,
notable father, apple of father's eye when young,
high position in life expected [depending on aspects] highest fame and legend comes after death
feelings of granular, wise, genius mentality,
likes to wear clothing of vibrant colors, and plaids in particular,
receives the favor of those in authority.
So the Astrological Chart should look something like this:

Sun Sign Meaning Dates
01: Pisces the Fishes 12 Mar to 18 Apr
02: Aries the Ram 19 Apr to 13 May
03: Taurus the Bull 14 May to 19 Jun
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
05: Cancer the Crab 21 Jul to 9 Aug
06: Leo the Lion 10 Aug to 15 Sep
07: Virgo the Maiden 16 Sep to 30 Oct
08: Libra the Scales 31 Oct to 22 Nov
09: Scorpius the Scorpion 23 Nov to 29 Nov
10: Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer 30 Nov to 17 Dec
11 Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan
12: Capricornus the Sea Goat 19 Jan to 15 Feb
13: Aquarius the Water Carrier 16 Feb to 11 Mar

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So...what's your sign? :p


'New' zodiac signs cause instant identity crises (http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/01/14/zodiac.signs.identity.crisis.online/index.html?hpt=Sbin)

The e-mail messages began filling astrologer Shelley Ackerman's inbox as soon as the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported the zodiac chart is off by about a month.

The biggest concern from Young's customers this week was the 13th sign, Ophiuchus, which was mentioned in the Star Tribune piece. The constellation is symbolized by a man wrestling a serpent. People were worried because so little is known about this 13th sign, she said.

Damn, I'm good!

:yuhup:

merrymarge
January 15th, 2011, 5:07 am
I follow the Western zodiac signs. I am still Cancer, always will be. The "new signs" say I should be Gemini, but that doesn't match who I am.

Pensieve_Seeker
January 18th, 2011, 4:32 am
My Virgo "house" may have a Leo "address" on it, but it's still a Virgo "house" to me.

Bellamy
January 18th, 2011, 7:39 pm
It says I should be Gemini, however Cancer be the best for me.

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-news-zodiac-signs-mz-txt,0,6672176.story

:)

James26
January 18th, 2011, 7:55 pm
I am an aries according to this.

terrence14
January 21st, 2011, 9:16 am
I am big into astrological signs so I just about freaked when I heard I might be considered something other than Aquarius .

SneekyMarauder
February 3rd, 2011, 2:51 am
I would become Virgo. In all honesty, it doesn't really matter lol.

johnray111
April 2nd, 2011, 8:04 am
I feels like reading Chinese Sign as compare to Western predictions. I am OX Chinese sign and it seems very close to me.

thanks

Grymmditch
April 2nd, 2011, 5:25 pm
"Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign."

There's something a little wrong with this statement; it's not untrue but a little inaccurate in terms of terminology. What it should actually state is that Ophiuchus falls along the ecliptic, the virtual plane in which all the planets (except Pluto, which is now demoted to dwarf planet) revolve around the sun. If you extend the virtual plane all the way out to the stars, there are certain constellations which "touch" the ecliptic.
"Sun sign" simply refers to the constellation the Sun was "in" at the moment of your birth.
However, in traditional western astrology, the actual constellations that fall along the ecliptic, and the ones used in birth charts were divorced long, long ago.
Also, one does not need semi-modern equipment like a telescope to see a constellation such as Ophiuchus, it's always been visible with the naked eye. It's just a lot easier to divide the 360 degrees of the zodiac into 12 equal parts (30 degrees each) than it is 13 (which comes to 27.69230769) and so it was overlooked, probably deliberately, not by accident.

Aleya
April 9th, 2011, 2:03 am
*crosses arms definatly* I guess I'd be a libra instead of a scorpio. I think over all scorpio traits fit me better but I think the libraxcancer (my husband) discription fits our relationship a bit too. Now I'm all confuzzled. Do you think we'll see a shift in the "online" zodiac charts? *think facebook, cosmo ect.*

Or do you think that this sign will be for people born NOW however the sign you were born under is still your sign?

I think Gyrm has some great info about the whole thing.

thesevensydneys
April 20th, 2011, 5:07 am
Still a leo...

even if my sign changed, i'd still be a leo at heart. i don't think a sign change at some random point in my life is going to change my life.

Grymmditch
April 20th, 2011, 5:18 pm
Aquila, the eagle.. I was born on Gliese 581g..our zodiac is quite different than Earth's...

DevilishElixir
April 23rd, 2011, 6:38 am
Since I still follow the old signs, I am a Libran/Scorpio as I was born on the cusp. Although according to the new signs I am a Virgo which does not suit my personality in the slightest.

Nessa_Fefalas
June 12th, 2011, 9:16 am
Technically, even with the addition of Ophiuchus, our zodiacs would still be off. The alignment of the stars and planets have changed drastically over time, and I have it in good faith that our signs haven't changed:

"That's because the tropical zodiac – which is fixed to seasons, and which Western astrology adheres to – differs from the sidereal zodiac – which is fixed to constellations and is followed more in the East, and is the type of zodiac to which the Star Tribune article ultimately refers."

Read on. (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/13/no-your-zodiac-sign-hasnt-changed/)

Pisces for life.

asphodelxrose
July 28th, 2011, 12:14 am
I'd be a gemini if we were to go on this, instead of a cancer.

agilefalcon16
July 31st, 2011, 5:53 am
After the signs "changed" or whatever, I suppose I would now be an Aquarius. But I was born a Pisces and that's the sign I'm always going to stick with if someone asks me.

Kind of wish I was a Scorpio or a Tauros, though. Having the sign of a Scorpion of a Bull would have been freakin' awesome! :D

rosieechan
July 31st, 2011, 9:41 pm
I'm pretty sure this only applies to people born after 2009, but then again, I'm not completely positive.

I'm sticking with Cancer! I have no traits of a Gemini whatsoever, however, Cancer's traits define me a whole lot.

Kathleen Malfoy
October 17th, 2011, 6:54 am
Well based on this chart I would be a Gemini but Gemini is really nothing like me at all. I'm a lot like Cancer, the sign I have based on the chart most of us are more familiar with...that one actually sounds like me.

Gemini....not at all like me so I don't know what to say about it.:shrug:

Durmstrangirl73
June 6th, 2012, 1:38 am
Wow, I Would be an Aquarius instead of Pisces but I seem to have characteristics of both! I'm March 1st

Midnightsfire
June 6th, 2012, 2:57 am
Well, they're both water signs....so you have something certain.

Goddess_Clio
June 6th, 2012, 3:28 am
I'm still Sagittarius only now I'm Sagittarius on the day it turns to Sagittarius instead of three days before Sagittarius turns to Capricorn. :shrug:

I guess it's written in the stars that I'm a true Sagittarius. Then again, I already knew that. :p

Midnightsfire
June 6th, 2012, 4:00 am
Stubborn you mean?

Goddess_Clio
June 6th, 2012, 4:08 pm
Stubborn you mean?

Hey, now!! Watch it, buster! :D ;)

wolfbrother
June 14th, 2012, 3:51 pm
Taurus here and this one makes me Aries. Don't really follow astrology so I checked out the wikipedia articles for both. I don't fit Aries but the article on Taurus is incredibly accurate (for me). That's a bit unsettling.....

Verena
June 17th, 2012, 12:08 pm
I'd be Capricornus instead of Aquarius (just for two days...)

Lady Elven
June 17th, 2012, 6:24 pm
I always said I was a Leo with Virgo tendencies but according to this I'm a flat out Leo which makes much more sense than just a virgo.

SeverusSnapeHBP
September 14th, 2012, 4:49 am
A lot of people seem upset about the whole change of the Western Zodiac, but it doesn't bother me because I'm a Virgo either way with the introduction of the 13th one.

But with this statement from Bill Nye, that would make me a Leo.

Same with Virgo, some things fit me, some things don't. But you can take any sign, and everyone is going to have at a few traits in common with that sign.

golden8
November 6th, 2012, 3:03 am
On this i am cancer.