All about Remus Lupin

Okay, so he's just lost his last friend. James and Sirius are dead, and Peter's a death eater. How do you think he feels? We really don't get much insight after the death. And when he takes Harry to the train he seems pretty cheerful.

And what about his character in the pensieve? I think that his studious-ness is just like we all expected (and that quote about the werewolf question on the OWL was great!) But he kind of wanted to stay out of things when Sirius and James were picking on Snape.

I do hope that we get to learn more about him. He is supposed to play a large role in book 7.

I just know that if he snuffs it (or Snuffles it), I'm going to find where J. K. Rowling lives and attack her about the face with an oversized cod.

He must have been deeply hurt by the death. But he had to act sensibly for Harry's sake. He must also have been preparing himself (like they all were) for the eventuality that at least one of them may die in duty.

I didn't think he seemed studious in a swotty way... I mean, it was hard to tell. He was no Hermione. He might have just been cramming for his OWLs.

I was a bit disappointed that he didn't have more interaction with Harry after Sirius's death, since he is the last of the Marauders now (Peter, though not technically dead, no longer counts). You'd think he'd be the first one Harry would go to...But maybe he'll think of that later.

I hope we do see more of him...I always loved his character. Also, what do you think about him wandering off to talk to the recently bitten werewolf at St. Mungo's?

Originally posted by crafty girl (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388777#post388777))
I hope we do see more of him...I always loved his character. Also, what do you think about him wandering off to talk to the recently bitten werewolf at St. Mungo's?


Did he even know that the man was a werewolf at the time? he just went over to him because he looked lonely, I think. But it's cool that the poor man might have been uplifted a bit. Lupin should become a councillor for werewolves or something. He'd make a great councillor.

He was probably passing on experience and giving support - trying to make him feel better.

I expect Remus was as prepared as he could possibly be, but it will have hurt him grieviously. All of the order seem to accept the deaths for them and the others, and they seem to have come to terms with it, and know they will meet again.

However, we will never be able to meet dead characters again.

He probably realizes that Harry is having a hard time about Sirius's death so he's trying not to make it worse for him. Lupin struck me as the sensitive type, and I think he's being strong for Harry, and be there for him when Harry's ready to talk about it.
Lupin is probably really hurting inside. His best friends are all killed. (minus Wormtail) After all, in MoM right after Sirius dies and he's holding Harry back, it says as Lupin tells Harry Sirius is dead, there was a 'catch' in his voice.

I hope Lupin takes a fatherly role to Harry, as he's now all alone. No parents, no godfather.......we'll have to wait and see.

Originally posted by jmk623 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388800#post388800))
I hope Lupin takes a fatherly role to Harry, as he's now all alone. No parents, no godfather.......we'll have to wait and see.


If anybody takes the role of looking after Harry in a parental kind of way, I'd prefer it to be Lupin than Mrs Weasley. Mrs Weasley is lovely, but she'd be a nightmare for any growing young lad. All that mollycoddling (Mollycoddling! Hah!).

Originally posted by Cat (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388791#post388791))
Lupin should become a councillor for werewolves or something. He'd make a great councillor.


Oh, he so should!

I could see him becoming like a father-ish figure for Harry in the future. Did you notice that when Molly and Sirius were fighting over Harry, Lupin was the peace-maker? He seems to have a steady head. He really doesn't get angry that much does he?

Also, Lupin was the one who comforted Molly when Percy (that jerk) sent his sweater back. I think he'd be a great person to have around, since Harry's going through a lot of stuff and could use the advice of someone sensible. Molly and Sirius both had their flaws in that department (Sirius being too reckless, Molly being too uptight). Remus seems a little more realistic about what Harry has to do.

I'd prefer Sirius to be a "family" for Harry, but if he's going to have one, it should be Lupin.

I think that sirius is in a btter place sirius and james can pick on other dead people while lilly tries to protect them lol. I have the feeling lupin will die at the end of book 7 and the maruders will be reunited!!!! *Tear TEAR*

Yes, it is sad that only Moony remains from the Mauraders (and the traitor Wormtail no longer counts). I think that Lupin will take a more active role in the next two books, although I have no clue yet what it would be.

I do have to say that either he or Harry will keep the other at arms legnth until LV is gone (cause I'm sure that LV will fall). My reason for this is simple, LV wont be able to use Lupin against Harry if there are no strong emotions between them.

Originally posted by Cat (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388771#post388771))
I just know that if he snuffs it (or Snuffles it), I'm going to find where J. K. Rowling lives and attack her about the face with an oversized cod.


Lol, I agree. I am so afraid she is going to kill him now just to make a clean job of it. Oh, I don't even want to think about it.

I think he probably feels guilty. He has absolutely nothing to feel guilty about, but he always seems to feel responsible for everything. He probably wishes he had believed Sirius's innocence from the beginning. I can imagine that he just feels awful on top of everything. He had two years thinking he had Sirius back, it must seem doubly hard now that he's lost him again. I think in the future he will see to it that he protects Harry as best he can. I don't think he will replace Sirius as a parental figure, but I think Harry may come to rely on him a little more.

Originally posted by Cat (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388771#post388771))
I just know that if he snuffs it (or Snuffles it), I'm going to find where J. K. Rowling lives and attack her about the face with an oversized cod.


Well said Cat! :clappy: If he does die in the future books, I'm coming with ya for the attack. Anyway, I just had to comment on Cat's well-put remark since I've felt the same way about Remus ever since he was introduced in book 3.

I loved Remus' part in this book, although, like most of you, I wanted to see a bit more of his pain and anguish at Sirius' death. His two best friends from the time of childhood are now dead, and his other maurader friend turned into a heartless traitor. Since he is a fairly emotionally connected kind of guy, he has to have some pretty deep feelings on this subject that we haven't seen yet. I love Remus, but I do feel like the readers still need to get to know him better. I can't wait until that happens.

One of my favorite Remus parts of book 5 is when he is comforting Molly when she's attempting to banish the boggart from the Black house. She's tortured at the sight of her dead husband and children, and Lupin comforts her and reassures her that if anything happened to her and Arthur that the rest of the Order would take care of Ron and Ginny. It was so sweet and very telling about Lupin's kind character.

Cat, if Remus dies, I'm coming on the attack with a trout.
Anyway, Remus is probably feeling extremely guilty right about now, even though Sirius's death isn't his fault. He's most likely thinking that he should have insisted that Sirius stayed home, that maybe if he had been able to convince Sirius to be nicer to Kreacher, the elf wouldn't have lied to Harry... Some of the same things that are bothering Dumbledore have to be running through Remus's mind. I think he'll feel honour bound to help Harry, not just because of guilt, but because he's now one of the last remaining links to Lily and James. Sirius was starting to tell Harry about James's past, now I think that Remus will feel that it's his obligation to do the same, regardless of the risk that this may bring with it. Lupin seems to care too much to let Harry mourn on his own.

It's all settled then:

If Remus goes, bring on the fish!

Have any of you seen that theory about Lupin being James in Lupin's body by result of a switching spell? I personally am not very fond of this theory but I couldn't help thinking about it during this book. Harry feels very alone now without his godfather and his parents, and I too thought Lupin would come to the rescue, and like many of you said, he probably will later. Do you think that theory is true about the switching spell? If it is, Harry isnt as alone as he thinks...! Ahh I feel so torn! I don't know if I want to believe that theory or not!

Originally posted by Dumblydorry (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=389332#post389332))
Have any of you seen that theory about Lupin being James in Lupin's body by result of a switching spell? I personally am not very fond of this theory but I couldn't help thinking about it during this book. Harry feels very alone now without his godfather and his parents, and I too thought Lupin would come to the rescue, and like many of you said, he probably will later. Do you think that theory is true about the switching spell? If it is, Harry isnt as alone as he thinks...! Ahh I feel so torn! I don't know if I want to believe that theory or not!


Personally, I think the theory is absolute balls, and I'm not talking about the crystal kind.

I don't think that anything in Order of the Phoenix made the theory any more plausible.

I personally will go absolutely bananas if Remus dies, cos he's my favourite character by far. I hope he has a major role in the future books, as we don't really know his true feelings on anything that's happened, and it would be nice to find out a bit more about his character. He should become a sort of father figure to Harry.

Cat- What's your reason for not believing that theory? I don't want to believe it, so I need some help- lol! Convince me pleeeease! Did you see that qoute when JKR said there's a major secret that people have only "skirted" on? I hope that darn theory isn't it!

The Lupin-is-secretely-James-theory sounds like nonsense to me. I would think that if Lupin is James he would try harder to get to know Harry. And JKR said in an interview that Harry would not see his parents alive (in his own time).
If Lupin dies in book 6 or 7, I'll probably throw the book out of the window (and run outside to pick it up again...). Lupin Should Survive!

Originally posted by Dumblydorry (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=389456#post389456))
Cat- What's your reason for not believing that theory? I don't want to believe it, so I need some help- lol! Convince me pleeeease! Did you see that qoute when JKR said there's a major secret that people have only "skirted" on? I hope that darn theory isn't it!


Because James Potter would be evil to swap his life for Lupin's. Even if Lupin offered it, he would refuse. He was a decent man who cared about his friends.

Also, Lupin is a character unto himself. He doesn't need to be replaced to say 'Look, dad's here! Everything is all peachy in the end!'. It wouldn't be peachy, anyway. It would mean we've lost Lupin.

There's also not a shred of evidence supporting the theory. All that ridiculous stuff about Lupin's behavior... the grown man who started the theory must have been a bit dim not to realise that all these 'mysteries' were answered at the end of that book.

What if there was some very important reason to protect James though? Yes I suppose it would be weird if Lupin just one day says to Harry - " Harry, I am your father!" Ha ha! A little to star wars! We should stop talking about this though because we are getting off topic but I hope Lupin's character develops more later on, to give me more hope! Anyway. I think Lupin didn't seem really upset about Sirius' death when he saw Harry in the train station because all of them were trying to be strong for Harry. There will be a time and a place when it is appropriate to talk about Sirius' death. The train station just wasn't it. I feel depressed that Sirius is gone! :(

if Jk does kill Lupin, I'll be heading up to edinburgh with a few trout myself to join you!...Though as he is one of her favourite characters, I imagine she'd be hitting herself with a trout copious amounts of times also.

It was lovely to see more from Lupin in book 5- he was right there is chappi 3 :)
I would however, like all of you love to learn more about Lupin- and see him move closer to Harry in the next books, I adored it when Lupin was teaching Harry the patronus...tho It would have been nice for JK to buildon the relationship a bit more there too.

I was initially quite surprised at Lupin's lack of response to Sirius' demise - but re-reading it, I can see why it fits his character. The poor guy:(

We should make a group. And call it 'Codsmack' :lol: Ah, *wipes tear*

Anyway, I'm weird... so I made a thingy.

*LOL* That picture is just... well done.

I'm going to be trout-attacked...

I think she's going to off Lupin. Always have, always will. I love him, but that would be one more blow to Harry, and she's definately not taking it easy on him.

For my other reasons why she might, check out the theories on who would die.

To elaborate... while Lupin doesn't seem the type to do foolish things for vengeance, I think he's going to start taking a much more active role in Harry's life. He's already demonstrated that he can act as a counseling older figure--he seemed to step aside to allow Sirius and Harry to get close.

With Sirius gone, he's likely going to step in.

And in the end, I think that will get him killed. Voldemort is going to target the important people in Harry's life... as Lupin is more of a threat than the children, at least in the eyes of an evil villian, I think he'll be the next one offed.

As much as I'd like to believe it's not true, I have a horrible feeling that it could be. Even before the fifth Harry Potter book came out, I had a sickening feeling that Sirius would get killed and throughout the book I found more clues to support my suspicion...but now I'm afraid that Voldemort may target Lupin next. It may not even be Voldemort. It could be Wormtail so he can get revenge on Lupin for trying to kill him. I hate to think of it that way, but I'm really scared that it might be true.
On the thought about Lupin caring for Harry in a parental kind of way, I have no doubts that it's true. He possibly feels a responsibility to continue on what James and Sirius would have wanted him to do. I also think Lupin might choose that role understanding that it's not enough for Harry to just go to Ron, Hermione, or Dumbledore with some of his problems. He needs someone like a parent at times for comfort and guidance. Especially considering what he's going to have to go through. Dumbledore might care about him a lot, but it's kind of odd going to the Headmaster of the school for help all the time...people would spread rumors or something. The only problem with Lupin taking care of Harry would be his little...werewolf problem. What would happen to Harry if Lupin lost control like that?
About Lupin's behavior after Sirius' death...He never seemed like the type to break down and cry in front of other people or even how any sign of weakness. It's kind of like when Gandalf dies in the Lord of the Rings movie...Frodo can't control his emotions so he needs to be held back while the rest of the Fellowship needs to stay strong. Lupin is nearly always calm and controlled. It helps him to make more realistic decisions...Perhaps if Lupin had broken down, he wouldn't have held onto Harry as tightly and Harry might have vaulted right through the veil himself. We don't know.
Yet another thing I noticed in the book...Didn't Mr. Weasley say that the new werewolf sharing the room with him had no cure? I remember Lupin mentioning that they made a cure quite some time after Lupin turned into a werewolf, but it was already too late for him. Did I remember incorrectly or what?

Yes, I live in dread of Lupin getting the axe. :scared: I can see it happening, but I can definitely see it not happening also -- it seems as if the situation could really go either way. There are valid reasons why Lupin might die, but there are just as valid reasons that support why he won't die in the last two books. All I can say is that I truly hope it doesn't happen. Something needs to go right. But, part of me just keeps thinking...that darned Wormtail has a silver hand now.

Yeah...I thought of that too, Seashell. I just hope that Lupin will stick around to help Harry overcome the pain and sadness after he's finally defeated Voldemort. Even though Harry will be out of Hogwarts, he still needs someone to go to!

Loving Wolfie's thingy - LOL!

I agree - if she kills Lupin now I'll never forgive her, not only because Lupin is one of my faves - but because of Harry. The damage to Harry would just be impossible to get over.

I thought it was interesting that Lupin didn't laugh at them tormenting Snape, but didn't stop them either. Also - it was interesting that he was a prefect!

Sigh... Lupin is one of my favourite characters too, and I was quite upset he was virtually non-existent in GoF...

Hopefully Lupin (James' last surviving friend) will become the father figure to Harry in Book 6 and 7, like Sirius in Book 4 and 5, and maybe they can live together after Book 7.

*Maybe Sirius will come back as an echo too?

Ack, I posted one reply, and it didn't go through. Well...

Remus is my favorite character, so I have no hesitation in saying that I WILL be joining the fish-smacking group if he snuffs it in book 6, or early on in book 7. He better live to the end, darn it!

And I'm completely with Cat on the 'switching Remus/James' theory. A bunch of 'waffle', that theory is. For one thing, if there was such a thing as being able to 'switch' bodies, then why doesn't old Moldimort make one of his Death Eaters 'switch' his body with someone else's? After all, isn't he trying to keep it on the DL, right now? Not wanting Dumbledore to know he's out and about? He sure is a dumb sod, isn't he? That duel at the end of GoF-it seems to me like he was being a complete idiot. I mean, he JUST got his body back. Why show off? If he wanted Harry dead so badly, why didn't he have his Boot Lickers take out the kid for him?

Anyway, I digress. Crouch Jr. could have just made Winky 'switch' his body with Mad-Eye instead of bothering with the Polyjuice Potion, if it were that simple. Death Eaters would just 'switch' with kidnapped innocents, do their dirty deeds, and then 'switch' back to avoid getting punished. Wouldn't they?

Plus, we all now know the Prophecy (and who didn't see THAT coming?), and it only talks about the 'child', not the fathers or mothers or anything. Why would James HAVE to be alive, then? Didn't he have the utmost faith in the fact that his wife and child would be safe? If so, then why put himself in danger, even if it meant NOT changing Lily and Harry's situations? Besides, they already established that they trusted Wormtail and Sirius-why also trust Remus, if they knew there was traitor close to them? I believe that in future books, we'll find out some of the real story behind how they could possibly believe that Remus would be the traitor.

And speaking of Remus (back to the subject at hand), it was obvious that he was close to Sirius. I mean, the fact that he LIVED at Grimmauld Place (although he was gone a lot), the JOINT Christmas present to Harry, the way he 'turned his back on the veil, sounding as if every word caused him pain' (not exact quote-happened after the death scene), the way his voice 'broke' while holding Harry back, the fact that he alone could make Sirius stand down (during the argument between Sirius and Mrs. Weasley, when he tells Sirius to sit down), the looks between them...it just spoke of a comraderie that spanned volumes, ya know? (Plus, I've been aboard the Remus/Sirius ship for awhile, so this only helps THAT fantasy along, but even so...the friendship in itself is obvious). So the fact that he showed little emotion at the end of the book (when saying goodbye) doesn't mean, I think, that he just didn't FEEL anything. I bet he feels loads. I'm in agreeance with all the people who are saying that Remus just has to be tough for Harry, hold it in, try to be a parental figure in actions and not just words. He cares for Harry, obviously, and he doesn't want to break down in front of him, I think.

Oh, and this book was WONDERFUL in how much it brought out his character. In the MWPP-era scene, he clearly didn't approve of James and Sirius' actions, but he did nothing because he, like Ron, did not want to be the one to turn the people he cared about against him. You saw how he was in the Shrieking Shack-"for the first time, I had three wonderful friends" (or whatever the quote was). He was obviously grateful and maybe even sort of obsessive in the fact that these were not only his best, but ONLY friends, and he could never hope for better ones because THEY ALONE accepted him for what he was. I could see why he would hesitate to turn them in for pranks and bullying if it wasn't HIM that they were doing it on. Plus, this was fifth year-the year they achieved the Animagus transformations. It must have been a miracle in his eyes to have friends who cared about him enough to go through such a thing for him, although as Sirius clearly acts in the Pensieve memory, they might have taken advantage of it sometimes to cause some havoc instead of just keeping Remus company.

Anyway...what am I saying, again?

Oh, so Remus' character. I wonder what he said to the werewolf in Mr. Weasley's room at St. Mungo's. I wonder how he really reacted to Sirius sending Snape after him in the Whomping Willow prank. I wonder how his 'career advice' interview went. But you can kind of guess at these, right? I mean, we know so much MORE about him now. We can see a lot more of his character. He's grown up a lot from how he was as a kid, and can now stand up to people. He has a level head on his shoulders, he obviously has no problem lending some comforting words (like to Mrs. Weasley), and he is surely more comfortable with his condition, now that he has the Wolfbane Potion.

Oh, and speaking of-Remus "Moony" Lupin, I believe you were asking about the "cure"? In the Shrieking Shack, he says something to the effect of, "in those days, there was no cure", and then IMMEDIATELY after that, he says something like, "the Wolfsbane Potion is a recent development". But WB Potion doesn't "cure" werewolf-ism, just the "losing-the-mind-to-the-wolf" phenomenon. So maybe to him (and other werewolfs), that IS as close to a cure as they are going to get, and so accept it as a true cure, instead of just a 'helper' or 'medicine'. After all, I expect that for werewolves, losing their human minds during transformations is the worst thing about it. Not being able to control their thoughts and actions of the beasts that they've become-it must be terrifying, not knowing whether or not they will hurt another human that particular night.

Er, does that make ANY sense?

Anyway, this is long enough. I'm glad the book's out, I'm glad there's loads of Remus...but I'm sad that Sirius, one of my top 5 favorite characters in the series, is gone. I don't think it's the last we'll see of him, though (even though I DON'T think he'll be alive again).

Blah. When's book 6? :)

Originally posted by wolfie (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=390039#post390039))
We should make a group. And call it 'Codsmack' :lol: Ah, *wipes tear*

Anyway, I'm weird... so I made a thingy.


I like the thingy.

But we're already the Cod Squad, according to my sister Dedalus (who says she is 'bringing up the rear with a haddock'... nasty).

And shut it all you people saying how he'll die or you'll be next. And the fish will be much older and smellier by the time we reach you.

I certainly hope that Lupin has an increased presence in Harry's life. I think that he is a good fatherly figure for Harry. He is a really cool guy and one of his fathers best friends. I certainly hope that JK isn't trying to eliminate all the Mauraders...that would just be too cruel. And if she is, hopefully Peter is the next to goa dn Kupin hangs in there for a bit yet.

*relishes the fact that she lives in Florida with all kinds of tropical fish*

.....Cat and wolfie, I had an idea....when they allow us to post spoilers everywhere, can the 'Cod Squad' put the pictures in their signatures? Like alot of those strange little clubs allowed...? I don't mind if you don't want to. :)

Anyway, I see a lot of hope for Lupin on this. Okay, first, and I know that some of you may say this isn't relavent, but: Lupin is (one) of JK's favorite characters. There are tons of things contradicting this and proving it wrong, but hey, I'm grasping at anything that could possibly convey the fact that Lupin will live to a ripe old age and have 12 children. :D

I don't think Harry could deal with another death. I think that he would just land himself his own room in St. Mungo's, writing with his own fecal matter on the walls, thinking that he is Robin of Loxley, fresh from the Crusades.....

And last....it seems...so....blatantly obvious. "Hey, look, she killed Sirius, I guess James and Wormtail are gonna die too!" ....I don't know about anyone else, but I was really shocked when she killed Sirius. Lets all hope that Harry finally stops being a stubborn little...what was it...? Oh, yes: sod, and finally takes that lessons Snape gave him seriously, so he can block out Voldemort from knowing about anyone else that he cares about, and vice versa....And lets hope Kreature dies an agonizing death.

Well, I know these reasons are feeble, but I'm sure we'll come up with more, much better ones as time progresses.

Signed,

The first person who wants to become a member of the Cod Society.

I agree that his death could be expected after Sirius'. I'd be aggrevated (in a fishy way) but I wouldn't be shocked.

I also don't think that, wonderful though he is, his death would have a huge effect on any of the characters. Not even on Harry. So what would be the point in it, in regards to the story?

Lol!!! I completely agree with you, Lestrange, that if Harry has to face yet another death of someone close to him, like Sirius, he'll end up just like Lockhart! Even without the memory charm! Though I'm afraid he might have to in the coming books...it seems like there's going to be a lot more death and pain before things start brightening up for Harry, huh? He's not having a very good time at Hogwarts...
I'd also like to thank my fellow Moony, Siriusly Remus, for helping me clear up that cure thingy. I must have remembered incorrectly. Thanks!

......Very true, Cat....it wouldn't help the story at all, it'd just be taking out pages of the book. The point, though, would be that still, a lot of people would be effected, after Sirius passed on. Imagine the burden of the people mourning for Sirius would feel when Lupin dies....And Harry. Would. Crack. I imagine that he would just be able to use the Unforgiveable Curses on the person who killed him in a second.

So....there would be a point, even if what I'm saying goes against the fact that I want Lupin to live.....(by the way, you didn't answer my question...;)).

Oh, right the Cod Squad. No, I think by the time we're allowed to blab Order openly, the over-protectiveness might have died.

I know what you mean, that it could push people over the edge, but that's death in general, not specifically Lupin's. The death of Luna Lovegood could drive Harry over the edge and he's only just met her!

I suppose it depends on what he becomes or what he does in future books. Wait, no it doesn't. Because he won't die, will he Ms Rowling? *grips cod in an ominous way*

Originally posted by Lestrange (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=391183#post391183))
......Very true, Cat....it wouldn't help the story at all, it'd just be taking out pages of the book. The point, though, would be that still, a lot of people would be effected, after Sirius passed on. Imagine the burden of the people mourning for Sirius would feel when Lupin dies....And Harry. Would. Crack. I imagine that he would just be able to use the Unforgiveable Curses on the person who killed him in a second.


Wait, didn't Harry already use an Unforgivable against what's-her-face? Crucio, wasn't it? It wasn't very effective, of course, but I think I remember....I was shocked that he would try it, even if she DID knock Sirius into the veil.

Strange.

Seriously, if Lupin dies, then I will definitely be crying...==
Hope it would not happen...
Sirius's death is enough to give me a shock.
Yeah, I think Lupin would be guardian of Harry in next books.
But I am soooo worried about what's gonna happen to his future. Hopefully, at the end of the book 7, Lupin and Harry could live under the same roof...==;
Yeah...I really LUV Lupin and the way he is.

There's just one problem with Harry living with Lupin. What if something like in book 3 happens again and Lupin is too busy to take a little time off and use the Wolfbane stuff properly? Harry could get extremely hurt.

I'm afraid there is a strong possibility that Lupin will die. Voldemort gave Wormtail a silver hand, remember??? What kills werewolves??? SILVER.

I would be very, very miserable if Remus died. There are reasons for and against his death, though, so I guess we can't really be sure until the last page of the last book!

If we look at Remus' name, and take account of the story of the foundation of Rome, then it is possible that he might be killed by someone close to him - perhaps not a brother, like in the story, but maybe someone who was once a close friend, eg. Wormtail.

The fact that he's a werewolf increases his danger ten fold. Voldemort could exploit people's distrust of werewolves to turn them against Lupin somehow... Which would not be good.

Personally, I can see Remus being taken away somehow - maybe to prison, maybe he has to go on a dangerous mission somewhere... In any case, I think he and Harry will be separated for a long time, but *fingers crossed!* they'll be reunited in the end. Or if Harry manages to get himself killed in the last book, Lupin will be Harry's Horatio, the one who goes on to tell the story of the Boy Who Lived.

Ah yes... A little warning to Ms. Rowling - I am the proud owner of a five foot halibut, and I'm not afraid to use it! :elaugh:

May the Cod Squad triumph forever! *salutes*

-Jemma

But it's a silver hand, right? It doesn't have sharp points on it, right? **Whimpers** Lupin can't die...There is a possibility...but he just can't...he has to escape somehow...maybe defeat Wormtail himself. Excellent! He could get revenge! He could kill Wormtail instead of Wormtail killing him!!

First of all, I'd like to agree with all the anti-Lupin-is-James theories, and I'd like to add that I think OotP goes even further to discredit the theory by showing us their personalities. The Lupin we see in Snape's memory is very like the Lupin we know now. I just don't see the younger James growing up into a calm, compassionate, even-tempered man like Lupin. Besides, as Cat mentioned, the reasons for Lupin's behaviour were revealed at the end of PoA, when Harry found out Lupin had been James' friend. Not only would it be completely pointless, it would go against so many things in the book, like the finality of death. HP is not a fairy tale.

That said, if JK kills off my other favourite character, too, well... if the Cod Squad needs backup...

It's that darn silver hand... did anyone notice if Lupin ever picked up any of the Black family goblets and all that that Mundungus was interested in? I'm searching for anything that'll discredit the idea that touching silver will kill a werewolf.

I have completely forgotten what the topic of this thread was. I hope I haven't strayed too far...

Oh, it's TOUCHING silver? Oh my...silverware is definitely not the thing for Lupin then....Erm...that makes things a lot harder for him then...all Wormtail would have to do is poke him and he's gone.

Sigh, i do hope the silver hand is just a mere coincidence and Wormtail will do a Gollum aka Darth Vader in Harry's and LV's final deathmatch...

Then Lupin can adopt Harry as his godson and they live happily ever after.

Has anybody noticed that in all this time, Ms Rowling has never mentioned that silver harms werewolves at all, yet we all presume it? Sometimes, in mythology or movies, werewolves are immortal, but we know that's not true for Lupin. So why do we all take the other 'werewolf fact' that silver can kill werewolves for granted? It's probably that effing silver hand making us quiver...

But I don't always get the 'death by silver hand' theories. If Wormtail touched you, he'd probably crush you. So he could kill anybody by giving them a prod. There's no dramatic flair there for the hand being (possibly) made out of silver. Then again, I can imagine it now. If Wormtail touched Lupin and cut him at all, Harry might think 'Oh, it's just a minor wound'. Then it would be 'No, it's silver' *Falls over*. It's also easy to imagine Lupin getting too close to Wormtail for two reasons - firstly, to kill him - or secondly, just to talk to him, to reason with his old mate.

I should be scared by this. But the fish isn't out yet. Because I know that if it's easy to imagine it probably won't happen...

I love seeing my theories out there now. It really makes me feel better about being considered crazy for them to begin with. :wacky:

Silver wounds werewolves. In the majority of folklore, it burns to the touch. It's tolerable for a short period, or for the strong-willed...

..But it causes pain just with the touch.

A wound inflicted by silver can take a -long- time to kill. A severe wound caused by silver can be fatal.

His name is REMUS, as in Remus and Romulus. Raised by wolves, sure, but also the brother who dies.. killed by the other.

Wormtail wasn't in this book. I doubt JK just ditched him entirely... I think she has something in store for him. And I'm afraid it's going to be him killing Lupin.

I don't think it likely that she gave him this powerful new tool and a new sense of loyalty to Voldemort, then got rid of him. I think he's going to be involved in the next really disturbing death. And I think it's too well set up for it not to be Lupin...

...But, maybe he'll just hurt Lupin. Who knows.

Can I join the Cod Squad too? After all, the only consolation I can get from Sirius's death is the hope of a more prominent role for my beloved Lupin. In OOTP he was basically there to be the all-round nice guy and he pulled it off admirably. Mind, did anyone else notice when Sirius said that Lupin was hacked off at Umbridge for her anti-werewolf law? He might not be such a nice guy if he met her! (OK, I was kinda hoping he'd eat her...)

Eep! :'( oo stop it! You guys are starting to scare me! I don't want Lupin to die! *stamps around like a temperamental four year old*

:sigh: ...even though after reading the above it seems the most likely thing in the world...

^-^; the next few books are most certainly not going to be fun!

I tried posting yesterday but with the forums going a lil nutz it didn't work-and i can't quite remember everything I had wnated to say...soo...This may be a little bitty-

-I love the codsquad idea, definately want to be a member..then if Lupin dies...:bite: its piranas.

Great post on Lupin's character Siriusly Remus- to be honest i've never really analysed any of the books much before, I don't like thinking when i dont have too-but that was very interesting:)

Good point on the mythical Remus too-bouncing ferret and you too emilyrose! It doesn't bode well for Lupin having a name like Remus does it?:sigh:
thankies for the info on harmful effects of silver too...it didn't mention squat in a book i have, just said the silver weapon had to be blessed by some st Hubert:huh:
wormtail wants to stay far far away from our fav lil wolfie with that big ugly silver hand of his...
ya know-I don't think i even want to consider the possibility that J.K would be so cruel as to kill off poor Lupin:no:

ah well...

toodles

Lupin is my favourite character, and I also feared the silver thingy, and thankfully he wasn't killed. But he could be killed in the next books, it's perfectly possible (though I hope he doesn't pass away!). Anyhow, JK said he was her favourite character so hopefully she won't be so cruel.

Any ideas as to what the big part he will play in Book 7 is?

Originally posted by EmilyRose (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=392572#post392572))
I love seeing my theories out there now. It really makes me feel better about being considered crazy for them to begin with. :wacky:

Silver wounds werewolves. In the majority of folklore, it burns to the touch. It's tolerable for a short period, or for the strong-willed...

..But it causes pain just with the touch.

A wound inflicted by silver can take a -long- time to kill. A severe wound caused by silver can be fatal.

His name is REMUS, as in Remus and Romulus. Raised by wolves, sure, but also the brother who dies.. killed by the other.

Wormtail wasn't in this book. I doubt JK just ditched him entirely... I think she has something in store for him. And I'm afraid it's going to be him killing Lupin.

I don't think it likely that she gave him this powerful new tool and a new sense of loyalty to Voldemort, then got rid of him. I think he's going to be involved in the next really disturbing death. And I think it's too well set up for it not to be Lupin...

...But, maybe he'll just hurt Lupin. Who knows.


It never does well to be so sure of your own theories.

Anyway, are you sure that it is a common mythological attribute that werewolves are harmed by silver? Or is it, say, a common werewolf movie attribute?
People who were executed as werewolves were generally beheaded or burned at the stake, I think. So clearly olden people thought there were other ways to rid your village of werewolves...

And don't take too much from the name Remus. Remember - it's relevent to wolves and it sounds cooler than 'Romulus'. What more reason do you need to name your werewolf Remus?

I would be crushed if she killed off Lupin :'( I may even cross the pond to join the Codsmack group, lol

I think Lupin will become more important in the next books. Hopefully he'll take on a fatherrole for Harry, although I have a sneak feeling, somehow he will come back to Hogwarts. This may be difficult, since everybody knows he's a werewolf now, but still. It's just a feeling.

He is my favourite character. I think I even have a literally crush on him. I loved his character when you first read about him in book 3. He just feels so right.

Great, it looks like the Cod Squad's on!

I can see a lot of reasons for Rowling to kill off Remus, but there are more reasons to keep him alive. He has to keep the legacy of the Marauder's alive. I think that he has to be the one to face Wormtail in the end, because of there past friendship. It'll be a conflict between the suspected spy and the true traitor. Also, we still need a link to Harry's parents' past, and that's got to be Remus.
As for the silver thing, I think that a werewolf's bad reaction to silver sounds great in fan fiction, but might be going a bit far in the actual books. If Rowling touches on the subject at all, it'll probably be to disprove a reaction to silver as Muggle rumours. Or at least I hope so, because if not, Wormtail's hand is going to seriously worry me.

Hoorah! I was so eager to talk Moony after OotP. I love this guy! Through the entirety of book 5, I was on the edge of my seat (only to be sad in the end anyway) hoping that Lupin would pull through, even though he was insignificant, to say the least. I don't think, though, that JKR will ever kill off Lupn. True, the OotP death was devestating to Harry, and, on a lesser note, me, but the death of Lupin would mean that Harry's links to his father would be forever severred. I just hope that Lupin becomes the leading adult in the books to come, especially in seven.

Good luck Moony!

Originally posted by Siriusly Remus (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=391319#post391319))
Wait, didn't Harry already use an Unforgivable against what's-her-face? Crucio, wasn't it? It wasn't very effective, of course, but I think I remember....I was shocked that he would try it, even if she DID knock Sirius into the veil.

Strange.


I meant that he'll use it properly. Remember so-and-so hag (I'm refusing to say the name) says that he has to enjoy it? Harry, sickingly enough, would probably enjoy the payback that person recieves.

And, about all the silver things...I got a book from the library (even though its not really all what I was hoping for), so I could study and learn a bit about Lupin.

It says how hard it is for a werewolf to die, because the forces of evil control him, and they do not want him to die, although he is not immortal. The way a werewolf dies is by being pierced in the flesh by silver, or of natural causes. The only thing is, my book does not specify if the silver kills him only in his tranformed state, or only in his human state, or in both.

That's where all of my hope is, because, if he can die only while tranformed, then he might not transform during his battle, if it is the other way, then he could tranform, and possibly not able to be killed. And if silver is deadly in both states, then we're screwed.

I'd like to also add that J.K. changes the use of wolfsbane, from a plant to a potion (that helps him), and she may as well change that silver piercing relic into anything......And I wonder if it's relavent that Hermione knows what exactly can kill him, but doesn't know about the hand....

No if Moony Dies in Book 7 I will be joining the Cod Squad. I unfortunatly I think he's gonna get it even if the Silver Hand can't kill JK's Warewolfs I think it is symbolism or forshadowing that Peter will be the one who Kills my beloved Remy. More evidence is presented in Book five Snape's Worst Memory after Remus makes his warewolf joke it says everyone laughed except Wormtail.
He's such a great guy he doesn't deserve to die. I agree she would make a great counselor. I think he will become Harry's mentor. Hmm I guess his big role in Book 7 will be with the Order b/c the war will be in full swing then so they will be fighting like crazy.
Now that I think about it maybe Moony won't die I was convinced convinced that Sirius was going to survive the series b/c I didn't JK would be that cruel to fictatious characters but I was wrong. So since I am convinced Remus will die he prob won't.

Hmmm, I thought Wormtail didn't laugh because he was worried about his own answer to the werewolf question...
But I have to agree that it would be symbolic if Wormtail killed Lupin. Can I join the Cod Squad too? I will have to cross a sea, so I can bring plenty of fish *wonders how heavy a baby whale is*

Did anybody notice that JKR seem to emphaisis(sp?) Remus' kindness in this book? He is may favourite character, I'm not sure if he'll die but he'll definately play a bigger part, he's the last Marauder!! Ans as for the mourning for Sirius thing, Remus has always looked as though he hides his feeling. The poor man is going to burst one day with all that emotion! But anyway if he does die, he'll die saving Harry. He is just so..so I can't find the right word. Oh, and how sweet was he when he comforts people(Mrs Weasly, the werewolf). Must go and re-read all the parts with Remus in it!

Perhaps his kindness wasn't emphasised at all, it was just more noticeable because he's not so questionable or mysterious in this one as he was when he was a DATDA teacher (they're all somewhat mysterious - except Lockhart).

If it is more pronounced, it might be because the whole prejudice against different races and breeds was brought up again, with Professor Umbrage being who she was. It came up with Hagrid and the giants, it came up with the house elves, it came up with the centaurs... we didn't need reminding that Lupin is both nice AND werewolf, but it didn't hurt to be reminded nonetheless.

I know im probably gonna sound stupid but what is the cod squad?

Cat actually made a very good point before, about werewolves and silver, which even though I knew I never thought of it in relation to Harry Potter. The silver thing was never real ... it was invented for films, as with a lot of things in horror films, because they had to make a weapon that could easily kill the monsters. In real life people accused of werewolves were usually burned or even just sent to prison. Silver was never mentioned in history.

And even if she decides to use the film idea (since she mentioned garlic as a defence for vampires, which was another thing only invented for films ... well, sort of), firstly Wormtails hand was only described as being silver, which could be a description of the colour too ... as in it was silvery. It seems incredibly strong for actual silver, and silver isn't normally caused out of a weird magical smoke. And still, even if Wormtail's hand was silver, and Lupin couldn't touch silver ... that's still no certainty for his death.

Dan R, the Cod Squad are a deadly fighting force banded together to attack J.K. Rowling, should she kill Professor Lupin, with a variant supply of fish.

Count me in with the Cod Attack. I love Lupin, he is one of my favorite characters. But I am still debating the fact that he could be James in Remu's body. I know that it is a stretch, but it can account for him distancing himself from Harry because he is not meant to know or if he does get to close to Harry, he may figure it out. But I could be wrong, just a theory.

I'd say that behind Harry, he's had the most unfortunate circumstances in his life out of anyone.
He's watched all his best friends perish, and obviously has a lot of responsibilities in the Order, and on top of all that, he's got to deal with being a werewolf.

I hope Lupin plays an even bigger roll in B6&7, perhaps getting revenge somehow for all the hardships he's suffered.

I absolutely love Lupin. He's my favorite character and I was sad that he had such a small role in book 5. I hope there will be more of him in the following books. I don't believe that Lupin would go out and hunt down Voldemort of Bellatrix to avenge anyone's death, but I DO believe he will be there for Harry. And I think it would be great if him and Tonks got together!

I'm going to merge this with a general thread on Remus Lupin :)

I don't know what I'll do if Lupin dies. The Cod Squad might be very good for me. The man has suffered a lot - two of his (probably) only friends dead and one turned Dark, all of the work he's doing for the Order, inability to get a job, the rest. His character is so simple and so complex at the same time...mild-mannered, polite, friendly, and helpful with some problems and slow self-anger bubbling below. A wonderful and untrobusive person on the outs who's really very complex...but you'd never know if you weren't told. It's not an act, either, but two parts of his personality. He's probably one of the best connections to reality Rowling has.

I'd love to see him play a bigger role, and I think I'm going to get my wish before the end, but like I said in another thread...I think his quiet role in this book was purposeful. He didn't do much - well, he did a lot, but not much we could see - but he was present for a lot of the book, which was a steady reminder that he'll be coming back. I think we'll be learning more of what he did for the entire book when book 6 comes around in a few years...

There isn't any certainty for his death. There isn't any certainty for anyone's death. But I want to look into the Cod Squad...

Okay, so maybe I'm reading a bit into this part, but it was a bit of text that seems irrelevant unless you consider it foreshadowing. When Harry contacts 12 Grimmuald Place through the fire to as Sirius about his father, he first mistakes Lupin for Sirius. Kind of odd, since from their physical descriptions, the two men look nothing alike.

So if it is foreshadowing, and Rowling is implying an overlap of Lupin's character into where Sirius's was, does that mean that a.) he is going to become a father figure to harry, and/or b.) that Lupin will take the same path as Sirius and end up dying?

Interesting points to start debates over....

Did Harry actually think it was Lupin? I thought he was just shouting out Sirius's name when Lupin reacted to it. Must go and read it...

NOOOOO. I have shed my tears for Sirius but reading these post about my all time favorite character (second to Harry) Mr. Remus Lupin, I'm starting to tear up.

I have always thought, even before OOTP, that there will be a type of showdown between Remus and Wormtail. Especially now that they are the last two Marauder's alive, and the sliver hand that Wormtail has just seams to fit into the whole story so much more. Very symbolic.

Well, if Cod Squad is a go, I defiantly want to be a part of it! I, myself have a fish, a beta also known as a wild Siamese fighting fish who's name is Schmendrick. I will be training him for battle. He will grow to be strong and I will be placing a photo of Mrs. Rowling next to his bowl, where he will learn to attack on my command, that is if Mrs. Rowling feels the need to take Remus Lupin from us! Hehehehe, I'm a dork.

No but really, I'm all for signing up for T.C.S (The Cod Squad) where's the pen?

Originally posted by Prosperine (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=397964#post397964))
When Harry contacts 12 Grimmuald Place through the fire to as Sirius about his father, he first mistakes Lupin for Sirius.


I don't remember that at all. Could you quote it from the book please?

Am I the only one who will be defending JKR from the cod squad?!

Don't yell at me, I love Lupin, him Sirius and snape are my favourite characters and you know how heartbroken I am over Sirius, but JKR has a reason for everything and although I will write in and condemn her actions (like I am over Sirius) and become manically depressed again like I am with Sirius, I wouldn't attack JKR. It'll hurt her possibly even more killing off Lupin, as he is her favourite character!

Which leads me to think he may stay safe. But I do have my doubts, please save Lupin!

Yep, you may well be the only one standing in front of JK while the rest of us advance on her with fish! I'm very cross indeed with her for killing Sirius!

I couldn't, COULDN'T stand it if Remus died, and I don't think he will. Maybe it's just denial, but it just doesn't seem - right. Sirius was a live-on-the-edge kind of person, I think Remus is more cautious - not that that would necessarily save him, but it might be an advantage. Look, I just can't bear the thought of it alright!

Chalice

Ah ha, I have an idea! How about we all pretend that we are positive that Lupin is going to die? Then, since nothing J.K. ever does is predictable, maybe she won't kill him! We could do that with Dumbledore, Snape, and McGonagall too... LOL, it's worth a try, you never know... He CAN'T die!!!

If Lupin dies I will be very sad. Much sadder than I was over Sirius's death. He's one of my favorite characters. I want him to play a bigger role in the next books.

well i was quite upset that sirius got bumped off at the end of Ootp
so if she goes for lupin... :angry:

he is just such a cool character, i think i quite fancy the guy. he's quite an enigma though, i mean he's there and yet we still don't really discover that much about him. never loses his cool, never shows much emotion... i guess thats one of the reasons why he's so interesting. i hope JK does develop his character a bit more. i think he'll definitely take over where james and sirius left off and get closer to harry.

isn't it sad though, what has become of all the marauders? when we get glimpses of what they were like when they were young they seemed to have so much fun and get up to all sorts. then their lives get, well, tragic, when they get older: 2 get murdered, one goes off to the dark side and then there's lupin having to suffer... well... alot. good thing they had fun when they were young eh?

she better not bump him off :grumble:. where do we sign up for the Cod Squad...

I do feel sorry for Lupin, he lost his friends, can't get a job, has to go fight off death eaters, and become a werewolf..... Hopefully Tonks will be a shoulder he can lean on.....

Count me in with the squad:)

Maybe now that Sirius is dead, Lupin, not Harry will get to own Grimmwuald Place, and money too. Then, he can get some clothes and marry Tonks. She would make him a great wife because she could change into a giant or something while he is a wolf, and be protected. Just a thought.

No!

....no, no, no, NO!!!


Why must you say such things?!?!? Lupin. Cannot. Die. I'm in denial now...look what you've done.....*runs out of thread with hands over ears, singing to self*





....honestly, though....I won't hesitate to start screaming at the book if JKR kills off Lupin. I can't handle that. He's way up there with Ron and Harry in the Maggie's-favorite-characters camp. To be honest, Sirius's death really didn't affect me very much. But Lupin? Nuh-uh. Can't deal with it.

Cat
But we're already the Cod Squad, according to my sister Dedalus (who says she is 'bringing up the rear with a haddock'... nasty).

Yay! Long live the cod squad!

Lestrange
.....Cat and wolfie, I had an idea....when they allow us to post spoilers everywhere, can the 'Cod Squad' put the pictures in their signatures? Like alot of those strange little clubs allowed...?
Well, I certainly will! :D

I really don't think that there's any evidance that Lupin's going to die - so stop saying it everyone! *cries* The hand might just be silver because Voldemort likes silver. It is a Slytherin color after all...

How about if we stop talking about Lupin dying and talk about something else? Um... how about his important role in book 7? What could it be? Or how he managed to survive without a job for 2 years. Did he have money saved away? Was someone supporting him (Dumbledore? Sirius?)

No more talk about Lupin dying! *grabs cod* Or else!

Wasn't it in the albert-hall-interview where JK said that Lupin's biggest flaw was that he wanted to be liked.... you can see it in the pensive-scene : Lupin a Prefect doesn't act when his two buddies are beating up Snape... in a way <and don't shoot me please> he's like Peter.... they both want to "hang" with friends.... only differnce is that remus is powerful enough himself.....

I wuld really hate JK if she killed of remus too.... the books wouldn't be the same reading them and knowing....

Originally posted by Steffie (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=403477#post403477))
Wasn't it in the albert-hall-interview where JK said that Lupin's biggest flaw was that he wanted to be liked.... you can see it in the pensive-scene : Lupin a Prefect doesn't act when his two buddies are beating up Snape... in a way <and don't shoot me please> he's like Peter.... they both want to "hang" with friends.... only differnce is that remus is powerful enough himself.....


She said that Lupin is a lot more happy being a professor and likes to care about people because he has spent most of his life away from the society, and he appreciates the other person's attention. He's more calmed. However, Pettigrew is more innocent and is the objective of various jokes, while Remus is respected.

However, when his pals attacked Snape, he didn't avoid it, and he was a prefet. He just ignored them.

Originally posted by Steffie (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=403477#post403477))
Wasn't it in the albert-hall-interview where JK said that Lupin's biggest flaw was that he wanted to be liked.... you can see it in the pensive-scene : Lupin a Prefect doesn't act when his two buddies are beating up Snape... in a way <and don't shoot me please> he's like Peter.... they both want to "hang" with friends.... only differnce is that remus is powerful enough himself.....

I wuld really hate JK if she killed of remus too.... the books wouldn't be the same reading them and knowing....


I don't see it that way. Wormtail went around following them, and Lupin didn't. Well, of course Lupin wanted friends and a social life. Who doesn't? That's like saying that Wormtail had skin, and so does Lupin, so they're alike. *gasp*

And he did make them feel ashamed of themselves, if only sometimes (...and it's not like they didn't know better).

I'm joining thr cods attack if Lupin dies! I will DIE myself, if he goes!


But I think there are definite signs of evidence that Lupin cares deeply for harry, and will try to fill that part of fatherly figure as much as he can! And he's very level headed, which is something harry's going to need more than ever now. There are a lot of little things about characters in this book. And I noticed a few about Lupin

1. In the beginning when harry arrives at the headquarters, and Sirius and Molly start arguing about what harry should be allowed to know. Lupin is watching Sirius throughout it. Then he's the one who says "molly, you're not the only person at this table who cares about Harry" which in my mind means he's referring to himself. Also in this chapter, Lupin mentions how Harry messed up Voldemorts plans with a "satisfied smile". Showing he's proud of Harry. Also at headquarters when Kingsley mentioned he thought Harry should have been prefect, I get the impression Lupin agrees.
2. Regarding the boggart incident. He says they'd take care of Ginny and Ron. Well, the same would apply to Harry.
3. Lupin showed obvious signs of concern when harry contacted Sirius in Umbridge's fireplace the first time. Before Harry even launched into his problem. And Lupin showed a great deal of urgency of when Harry stopped Occlumency
4. When Sirius dies, Lupin is the first one to reach Harry. And is trying to push his own pain aside to help harry.
5. he's there to talk to the Dursely's at the end. And then sentiment, when they say goodbye. Lupin tells him to keep in touch.


Well, I think that's long enough for now! loL!

Originally posted by Prosperine (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=397964#post397964))
Okay, so maybe I'm reading a bit into this part, but it was a bit of text that seems irrelevant unless you consider it foreshadowing. When Harry contacts 12 Grimmuald Place through the fire to as Sirius about his father, he first mistakes Lupin for Sirius. Kind of odd, since from their physical descriptions, the two men look nothing alike.


I'd guess that was because when you talk in the fire, you can only see what's straight ahead, so Harry could only see Lupin's feet.

Remus... sigh....
if Peter's hand being silvery does turn out to be a threat to Lupin's safety maybe Harry will use his "Peter, you owe me" thing to save him. That would keep me happy.

I'm hoping that Lupin will now become something of a father figure to Harry now that Sirius is gone - he was good friends with James as well, and I have the feeling that he'd be better about trying to keep Harry safe than Sirius was. Sirius was always trying to get Harry to do semi-dangerous things and trying to make him be like his father-in essence, he was trying to bring James back to life through Harry, and that could really put Harry into a lot of danger. I think Lupin could care for him better than Sirius could.

I think Lupin becoming a father figure to Harry would put him in danger.

Not that I don't think that it'll happen, just Harry's father figures don't have long lifespans.

And I think there's a reason for that.

Harry needs to take responsibility for himself, and be the adult himself as he's got to kill Voldemort. A father figure takes some of the preassure off of him.. some of the burden.

I would prefer Lupin in more of an older brother capacity.

But, I still think Lupin's going to kick the bucket. And I don't think I'll be grabbing a fish, regardless of how much I love him as a character. JKR'll have a reason for whatever she intends to do.

I have become so obssessed over Mr. Lupin recently that I have convinced myself that I too am a werewolf and am refusing to come out of my room when it is full moon.

Anyway, on Remus dying: first, I will join the cod squad, though I will not attack J.K. if she gives me a DECENT reason for her killing him. As those reasons would have to be so good for me to forgive something as terrible as ridding the world of poor Remus, I will most probably join you anyway.

There's not much I can say on his personality or anything, since it's all been said, but I will add my opinions on different topics brought up:

Silver- I, personally, like to think that silver could kill Remus, but am quickly going off that idea, remembering Wormtail's hand. Also, I cannot recall (or find, since the book is next to me) any instance in which Remus touched anything silver. I can imagine him touching it, but it burning him if he held it too long. Also, it would probably only be pure silver that would do that. Anything merely plated with silver or looking silver probably wouldn't affect him.

Wormtail- I don't think he'll kill Lupin. Actually, I think he was bullied, tortured etc. to join Voldemort. I mean, he was always a weak kinda guy very much influenced by peer pressure. I can see Lupin begging, pleading with him to remember, to bring him back. Whether or not Wormtail would listen could go either way.

I can just imagine Harry, much like he did with Sirius, telling the Dursley's, just letting slip, rather, that 'Oh, that guy you met at the station? He's a werewolf, y'know...'

James-Remus? No way! Not happening! Uh uh!

And on the subject of Remus wanting friends- I don't think he HAD friends before he went to Hogwart's. I can see him being considered a bit of a freak and, of course, when Wolfsbane wasn't invented he lived in fear of biting someone. He probably buried himself in his books, trying not to hope he'd get into Hogwart's in case he was disappointed.

Before he makes friends with Sirius, James, and Peter, I can see him getting teased and possibly bullied. After all, he'd probably be very small, scrawy and ill looking, not to mention clever and a bit of a book-worm. Perfect for a target. I doubt he'd rise to teasing; just ignore it and carry on. I can see his days at Hogwart's being the beginning of 'loony loopy Lupin!' fom Peeves as well. Stupid poltergeist.

Anyway, enough of my random ramblings.

First of all, the idea that Lupin is James....I don't think so. The first time I read this theory, I kind of liked the idea, but how would Harry react to that? You're my dad, but you've let me think for the last 15 years or so that you're dead, and I've had to live with these horrible people? Also the fact that JKR said that we'll never see a live Lily or James. It's just not going to happen. That being said, I do want to find out more about those switching spells. They're mentioned quite a bit. In O.W.L.'s Harry forgot the definition of switiching spells, they're mentioned at least twice in GoF. There's something coming up with them, but I don't think it will be Remus and James switching bodies.

There will be more with Lupin, though. At the end of OotP, Moody, Lupin, Tonks, and Mr. and Mrs. Weasley talk to the Dursley's about Harry. Moody tells Harry that if they don't hear from him for three days in a row, they'll "send someone along...." Then Lupin tells Harry to keep in touch. I have a feeling that Harry will write to Lupin every few days, being as he knows Lupin a lot better than he knows Tonks or Moody. He'll be more comfortable talking to Lupin about things.

Originally posted by MommaaLuna (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=407141#post407141))

There will be more with Lupin, though. At the end of OotP, Moody, Lupin, Tonks, and Mr. and Mrs. Weasley talk to the Dursley's about Harry. Moody tells Harry that if they don't hear from him for three days in a row, they'll "send someone along...." Then Lupin tells Harry to keep in touch. I have a feeling that Harry will write to Lupin every few days, being as he knows Lupin a lot better than he knows Tonks or Moody. He'll be more comfortable talking to Lupin about things.


Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Lupin telling harry to keep in touch signifies Lupin will be a player in the future. I hope Lupin does take over as "guardian". No offense to Mrs. Weasley, but I think she's too motherly for Harry. Its great that she cares about him so much, but Harry grew up alone, an overprotective parent might just make him go crazy!

I really like Lupin, and he seems to be all that's left of any father-type figure that Harry's ever experienced, so I think he'll hang around and help Harry out. I always thought he was very level-headed and right, so he should do well. I feel so bad for him. Knowing that he has now lost his two best friends, and that Harry has lost his two father-figures, I hope they can bond more, and maybe Lupin can become Harry's new figure to look up to.

Skipping a page or two, so I don't know if this has been read or not.

Lupin is my favorite character now. I know Lupin will be a much much more prominent character. He has to be; who else does Harry have for a past? Moody? (enter my username here.)

Poor Lupin. Couldn't you just see him... looking at old pictures of the Order... crying by the fire.

Wahhhhhhhhh!!!! :'(

Personally, I don't think he will live up to see the sunlight after book 7.... I think he will be killed off too, either in book 6 or 7...

Remus better not die he is my favorite character ever since three I love that guy my second fav already died so she better not kill my favorite character. and I bet you anything he plays important rolls in the next 2 books I love reading about him and maybe he and Harry will be closer.

Originally posted by Remus Lupin #1 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=408497#post408497))
Remus better not die he is my favorite character ever since three I love that guy my second fav already died so she better not kill my favorite character. and I bet you anything he plays important rolls in the next 2 books I love reading about him and maybe he and Harry will be closer.


Agreed. I've already lost one of my favourite characters!:( I don't think I can stand to lose another of my favourites.

If he dies in book 6 I don't think I'll read book 7. :'( :angry:

I think that if he does die, maybe it will be saving Snape's life. After all, Snape is still bitter about The Prank, and is obviously not accepting that Lupin was as much a victim as he was. Maybe he would be trying to redeem himself in Snape's eyes.

I do think Snape's relationship with the Marauder gang will be far more prominent in later books.

Just to make a quick observation about the silver issue, obviously a lot of people were concerned after GoF, but JKR may have given a small clue in OoTP as to the impact silver may or may not have on Remus. On page 83, she mentions that Remus is about to drink wine but lowers his "goblet" during the time Sirius brings up the issue of Harry asking questions to the Order. It doesn't take a leap of faith to assume that these are the same goblets previously mentioned a few pages earlier in the discussion between Mundungus and Sirius where Mundungus asks Sirius if his goblets were silver, in which Sirius replies that they're Fifteenth century goblet wrought silver. So to address Wilderness' question, yes, Remus does handle silver and has actually been drinking wine from said silver goblet. Is this a clue from JKR that silver may not affect Remus? Maybe. It also could be an oversight on her part. But why would she mention that Sirius' goblets were silver in the first place? And why include Remus drinking from the goblet? It doesn't really have any impact on the issue at hand on pg. 83. But it's there in print. Does this mean Remus won't die? No. Does it mean that if he does die that it won't be at the hands (no pun intended) of Wormtail? No. But JKR wrote it, and it does make you wonder a bit if it was a subtle clue. And since the silver hand seems to be the main worry for Lupin fans, it's just something else to ponder.

Giggs, that was an exceptionally good catch! Well done :)

I certainly hope that what you came to think there becomes true! However, I don't know if it is possible. I am not familiar with the killing of werewolves. Don't you have to drive silver through their heart or something special like that? Because if that was so (or something like it) it would allow Lupin to drink out of those silver goblets unharmed.....

Just another thought....

We're all assuming that the silver hand is intended to kill a werewolf... however, there's another creature in European mythology that originally was supposed to be killed by silver, later it became wood, then in some cases has become silver again.... don't know if anyone has read the theories that Snape is a vampire, part vampire, etc. but I'm using that to console myself and promote my denial that Lupin could die....

Can I contribute some cans of tuna should JKR kill Lupin?? :)

Snape walking around in sunlight, eating regular food, and REFFING a freakin' Quidditch Match in Harry's first year should have put this rumor to rest, but it didn't.

I don't think Snape is a vampire at all. I think that would just be far too stereotypical; after all, Remus is hardly your stereotypical werewolf guy now is he? Snape being a vampire would be far too obvious, and I don't think I'm alone in saying I'd be disappointed to find out that he is.

Thanks for this thread - I was looking for one on Remus. Him and Sirius are my favourite characters by far, they kind of feel like 2 halves of the same coin so I'm hoping Moony won't be heading for the same fate...

So anyway, I think/hope we'll find out more about Lupin's past in the next books as he is the most mysterious of the mauraders, I mean we know James died (unless you believe the switching theories), Sirius was in Azkaban and Peter was a rat for 13 (?) years, but what happened to Lupin in this time? Does he have any family? Is any of this relevant??!

Please can I join the cod squad!! I can't forgive her for killing Sirius but Lupin would just be too much!:angry:

I am so joining the Cod Squad!!!

There, no that's been said/written, let me write what I'm on here to write. I really hope that Lupin will get closer to Harry. He's the only person who can replace Sirius as the "fatherly figure" (not that Harry'll forget Sirius, but he needs someone). Lupin knew both James and Sirius for years, and needs to remind Harry of them. He's a link to both Sirius and James (even though I wonder how proud Harry is of James right now). He could also tell Harry about James more (possibly using a pensieve).

Molly and Arthur could not do that, how much they love Harry. They've got their own family, and I think Harry at times feels he's intruding.

Lupin prolly felt just as shi**y as Harry, if not more. They were childhood friends, for "Merlin's' sake. lol...yeah..i lub lupin. I can't wait to see more about him in the 6th and 7th.

Yeah, I feel really, really bad for for Professor Lupin.... he's ALL his childhood friends now...... in Book 3, when he was talking about having friends for the first time in his life and how James and Sirius and even Wormtail (*gag*) had learned to be Animagi for him, I realized how much having friends must have meant to him and how touched he was to find they'd do something so risky and illegal for him!!! And now they're all gone and he's alone again.
The part in OotP when he and Sirius were reminiscing about James when Harry confronted them and how they were remembering how he used to mess up his hair all the time seemed so sad to me, because their little trio (I'm not including Wormtail, the git!!!) is forever a twosome and now it's just Lupin.... who can he reminsice with about all the naughty things they did? Obviously not Dumbledore or Hagrid or anyone else because the Mauraders were hiding that stuff from them!!! I think he's had just a hard and lonely life as Harry!!!

Originally posted by giggs (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=412406#post412406))
Just to make a quick observation about the silver issue, obviously a lot of people were concerned after GoF, but JKR may have given a small clue in OoTP as to the impact silver may or may not have on Remus. On page 83, she mentions that Remus is about to drink wine but lowers his "goblet" during the time Sirius brings up the issue of Harry asking questions to the Order. It doesn't take a leap of faith to assume that these are the same goblets previously mentioned a few pages earlier in the discussion between Mundungus and Sirius where Mundungus asks Sirius if his goblets were silver, in which Sirius replies that they're Fifteenth century goblet wrought silver. So to address Wilderness' question, yes, Remus does handle silver and has actually been drinking wine from said silver goblet. Is this a clue from JKR that silver may not affect Remus? Maybe. It also could be an oversight on her part. But why would she mention that Sirius' goblets were silver in the first place? And why include Remus drinking from the goblet? It doesn't really have any impact on the issue at hand on pg. 83. But it's there in print. Does this mean Remus won't die? No. Does it mean that if he does die that it won't be at the hands (no pun intended) of Wormtail? No. But JKR wrote it, and it does make you wonder a bit if it was a subtle clue. And since the silver hand seems to be the main worry for Lupin fans, it's just something else to ponder.


Exactly. But it might not have even been a clue.... maybe Ms Rowling never even considered the werewolf/silver thing and presumed that the fans didn't either. Its a famous concept but it's not really that common. A couple of old movies, maybe?

I doubt the dirty Black house kept spare goblets in case a werewolf popped round for a drinky. He could have brought his own, but it would be easier just to not have a drink.

How likely is it that the goblets weren't real silver? On the one hand, the Black ancestry were rather measly, and on the other they are completely excessive.

I think the silver idea works well for fanfics, but probably not for the actual work. Maybe JK will lay all to rest with Lupin laughing about ridiculous werewolf rumours? That is, if he ever laughs again. :(

I think Remus needs Harry much the same as Harry needs him: Harry is the only remaining (well, living) link to James. He may well find some solace in the fact that, even if James and Sirius are gone, the one who they cared most about is still alive because of that sacrifice. At least they did not die needlessly, and, of course, Prongs and Padfoot are re-united now.

I've had a vision of the climax of book 6...Wormtail threatens Lupin with the silver hand and a gang of crazed fangirls leap in to save him...!

When I stop to think about it, I'm surprised by the devotion Lupin gets. We're supposed to lust after fiery bad-boy sex gods like Sirius, not nice people who invite you round for a cup of tea and look ill all the time...surely? Yet I love Lupin immensely, and the basic reason is his warmth. There's something uncanny about the way he's written that makes me feel like I've just drunk a mug of hot chocolate nearly every time he speaks. That, and of course he has SYMPATHETIC CHARACTER written all over him and is just crying out for a big hug! Especially now! *hugs Lupin*

I don't quite buy the logic that because Sirius has died, so will Lupin. Sirius was brought down by his recklessness, while Lupin is very level-headed, although he has his own faults.

Originally posted by Puffskein (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=425014#post425014))
When I stop to think about it, I'm surprised by the devotion Lupin gets. We're supposed to lust after fiery bad-boy sex gods like Sirius, not nice people who invite you round for a cup of tea and look ill all the time...surely?


Hey, I love Lupin to pieces, but I'm not lusting after anybody. Lupin's one of my favourite characters. I feel like he'd be diminished if he was just somebody I wish was alive so I could fancy him.

Anyway, who says that devotion to characters has to have anything to do with that? One of my favourite characters is Mad Eye, and I wouldn't like to imagine him with no clothes on...

I read an interesting Character study on our favorite wolf. I need to find it again and figure out how to link. The writer says that Remus is not as nice as he seems and he is manipulative. I really need to find it again it was interesting. Though I am choosing to ignore the evidence the author gives and stick with the Remus is the greatest crowd.


Found it http://groups.msn.com/hpkingdom/remuslupin.msnw

It's an interesting read

That site was indeed a very interesting read and I can see where the writer is coming from quite clearly - I am actually inclined to agree with 80% or so of what is written in there it makes a lot of sense and makes remus seem more 'human and well rounded'...but I most certainly don't think Lupin is quite so bleak as described...perhaps because Lupin is more like myself than i had initially realised^-^;
thankies for that link!

-thankies also to the person who caught the silver link (gomen i've forgotten your id) that certainly offers a sliver of hope if nothing else!

T.C.S : Lupin will Live - Or The Fish Start Flying ^_~

Did you know that within one single person can be so much goodness, understanding, sympathy?

Remus is through and through good, isn’t it an ironic twist of fate something so terrible (being a Werewolf) happened to him?

He is the kindest, best character of all, I suppose. Albus Dumbledore is human who is perhaps even better than Remus, but... in the other way. I believe, you understand me?

Remus lost all his friends... (I know, he is not that quite alone now- he has new friends! And he always had Dumbledore who take him to school twice when nobody else wanted)
How could he feel in the Departament of Mysteries... ? I was crying even more when I’ve read this:


„ (...) Lupin’s face was pale. ‘Let’s- let’s find the others. Where are they all Neville?’
Lupin turned away from the archway as he spoke. It sounded as though every word was causing him pain.”



And how are your feelings towards him?

Meh... I wouldn't go so far as to say he was through and through good. I like Remus, he's my favorite non-central character and the best DADA teacher yet. But let's not forget how he did nothing to stop James and Sirius from abusing Snape. How he put countless people at risk by wandering around as a werewolf, how he allowed his friends to put themselves at risk as well.

He is a flawed character. No one in the HP series is "through and through good", that's what makes the characters so great.

With Sirus gone now :'( Lupin is my favorite character now. Please don't kill him off next! That line in the book really got to me too.

I like Lupin and I hope we see a bit more of him in the books as we didn't see much in OotP.

In response to Jerkwater, the incidences mentioned, teasing of Snape and walking around as a werewolf, both happened when he was a teenager. Lupin himself admits he was lacking courage in not standing up to his friends and also admits he was stupid and abused Dumbledore's trust when he roamed the grounds as a werewolf.

I see him as a genuine character who knows not to gloss things over for Harry and Co., he is always as upfront as possible.

I did feel for him when Sirius went through the veil because he seemed to know straight away what going through the veil meant whereas Harry didn't.

Camo,

Please don't think that I am attacking Lupin in any way. I love Remus Lupin, he is (as I said) my favorite non-central character. I agree that he is genuine and he is straightforward with Harry. I was just trying to point out that he is not a perfect soul, he has made mistakes in the past and made errors in judgment. Who hasn't? I don't think that detracts from his character - I think it adds to it.

Camo, I love Lupin too, but he's made mistakes as an adult too. Remember when he didn't tell Dumbledore that Sirius was an Animagus because he wouldn't risk losing Dumbledore's trust? JKR likes him even more for having that fault.

I hope that Lupin takes Harry under his wing in 6 & 7. He's just so nice to Harry. I'm also curious to what he's doing for the Order--he's gone an awful lot...

I think Lupin is great. Like Harry he has lost a lot. They probably will turn to each other in the next two books.

Lupin needs someone in his life. Hopefully he gets to hang out with people like Tonks with the Order business he is doing. Someone cheerful. Actually Tonks would be great as well because she is related to Sirius and that would be something they would share. Not necessarily a romance, but friendship.

Yes, maybe I was wrong, maybe he is not through and through good but still... I think Remus is unbelieviable good. Look what mets him. And look again- he is not like Severus who in memory of his own past becomes more and more unpleasant.

In response to Jerkwater, the incidences mentioned, teasing of Snape and walking around as a werewolf, both happened when he was a teenager.

Camo, you know he wasn't teasing Severus, don't you?

Look guys- when I said "Remus is through and through good" I didn't mean he is perfect or something. I meant he is so good as no one else is. For example I don't know such good person really. Ehh... It is book's characters' minus...

Hey, I know he's made mistakes! And still makes them! Nobody is perfect, everybody have flawes! I only wanted to point out there is so much goodness within him. To point out he is good-natured, kind, indulgent, intelligent- don't tell me he is not intelligent!


I've never thought about it but... where do you reckon Remus lives now? Not Grimmauld Place? I think he has some home? There wasn't anything about it in books, but I believe he lives somewhere near London? Or in London or... I don't know :)

After Sirius, Lupin was one of my favorite characters, but now I think he just might be my favorite character. He's been through so much yet he's still such a good person, and now that all his best friends are gone he's going to have a hard time. Poor Lupin... :sigh:

Lupin has always seemed so gentle, kind and caring - I'm hoping that he sort of becomes a father figure to Harry now that Sirius is gone. He knew both Harry's parents and Sirius very well, plus he seems genuinely concerned about Harry's well-being, so I think he's the best man for the job. I just hope he doesn't die in the next two books.

I always liked Lupin..he's a character that's easy to get attached to...but there's something about him that I can't quite place...he's very reserved...and I want to know more about him. With Sirius, he made it seem like there were no secrets, and his emotions were obvious. With Lupin, it's harder to tell what he's feeling, maybe 12 years of thinking that one of you best friends betrayed the other, which resulted in his death, and then killed one of your other friends did that to him, and if he was always reserved and keeping his secrets to himself, I'm sure this scenario didn't help. I can't help but wonder why Sirius thought that Lupin was the traitor, and yet, when he found this out, Lupin didn't seem to mind that much. I know that he has his flaws, the biggest one being that he cut his friends too much slack for fear that they might leave him..which makes me feel even more attached to him...but in the end, he is a good person...very good...

Lupin has always been one of my favourite characters and I was so glad to see him back in this book. He always seems level-headed and just genuinely decent. The thing that made me love him even more was when he went over to the man who had been bitten by a werewolf in St. Mungo's. Little acts of kindness like this set Lupin apart from other characters.

My greatest fear is that I don't think he will survive the series, in fact I am pretty sure he is going to die. I know he is one of JK's favourite characters but that doesn't mean she is going to save him. The way things are going I think all of the Maurders will be dead by the end of the series. I'm really dreading it if it does happen, because if I got that upset when Sirius died, how will I react when Lupin dies as I adore him even more than Sirius!

Yes, Lupin is very reserved when it come to himself. After two books we still don't know a lot about him... we know his past and all but still it feel to me like we don't really know who he is yet, which I think is going to come in big in the next two books.

It's also interesting, because in an interview, JK said that one of Lupin's faults was that he's the type of person that will do anything to be liked (I understand!!) because he's spent so much of his life being hated because he's a werewolf. It's neat, because as you can see, no one is really perfect in the books--not Dumbledore, not Sirius, no one...such as life!
:D But I love Lupin...he's so genuine and nice.

Out of all the Marauders I like the Lupin the best , mostly because I think his character has some good growth opprotunities.
Mostly I'd like to see him grow a spine in morally dubious situations.
As understandable as it was to want to kill Peter Pettigrew just because
Sirius Black suggests doesn't mean you go along with it.
But outside of that, I really like Lupin and I hope he gets to see the end of the series.

Whoever says that Lupin has flaws because he didn't stop James and Sirius from making fun of Snape I think has to think about the reasoning.
-Snape was a jerk, he was a jerk to Lily and I'm sure to all of them.
- Lupin had to live his childhood life being shunned away because of his condition (being a werewolf), so imagine when he gets so close with these 2 friends, that care for him and everything, he wouldn't want to lose these friends that he worked so hard to get.

And another thing , whoever said he has flaws because he didn't tell Dumbledore about Sirius' animagus form has to think about how Lupin was never given jobs and was removed from society. He was in his glory working and meeting people, and meeting his best friends son. He didn't want to lose that.

Adonaichild love the Boondock Saints picture.

RJLupin,

Look, relax man. No one is saying that they don't like Lupin or that they don't understand why he did these things. We are simply saying that actions like this keep him from being perfect, or "good, through and through" as the starter of the thread suggested (and was probably misunderstood). Of course he had reasons for those things. But that doesn't make it right. These are all black marks on Remus being perfect. They don't detract from him, they actually make him a better character. I think he acted and continues to act better than 99% of the population would if they had his problems, but he is not perfect.

And another thing , whoever said he has flaws because he didn't tell Dumbledore about Sirius' animagus form has to think about how Lupin was never given jobs and was removed from society. He was in his glory working and meeting people, and meeting his best friends son. He didn't want to lose that.

Excellent words, RJLupin. You are great at defend Remus. And your arguments tell something, I think there is no doubt, now :)

He must have sad childhood, poor thing... And after he left the school it wasn't surely any better... I really want someone comfort him at last!

RJLupin,

Look, relax man. No one is saying that they don't like Lupin or that they don't understand why he did these things. We are simply saying that actions like this keep him from being perfect, or "good, through and through" as the starter of the thread suggested (and was probably misunderstood). Of course he had reasons for those things. But that doesn't make it right. These are all black marks on Remus being perfect. They don't detract from him, they actually make him a better character. I think he acted and continues to act better than 99% of the population would if they had his problems, but he is not perfect.


Yeah, Jerkwater, how really misunderstood... And again NOBODY SAYS REMUS LUPIN IS PERFECT.

Insomnia,

I hope you aren't being sarcastic. I meant that it was misunderstood by US, the people who argued with you. I meant that WE misunderstood YOU! I was trying to help you.

And, look, everyone, just because you can rationalize something, that doesn't make it right. Is it OK for Dudley to beat up on Harry because his parents spoiled him? No. Is it OK for Snape to abuse Harry and give him bad grades because he didn't get along with Harry's father? No. And it's not OK for Remus to lie to Dumbledore, let his friends pick on another student, or put people at risk because he had a bad childhood. That's all I'm saying. I LOVE Remus. I'm GLAD he did those things. It makes him a BETTER CHARACTER.

Originally posted by Jerkwater (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=466348#post466348))
Insomnia,

I hope you aren't being sarcastic. I meant that it was misunderstood by US, the people who argued with you. I meant that WE misunderstood YOU! I was trying to help you.

And, look, everyone, just because you can rationalize something, that doesn't make it right. Is it OK for Dudley to beat up on Harry because his parents spoiled him? No. Is it OK for Snape to abuse Harry and give him bad grades because he didn't get along with Harry's father? No. And it's not OK for Remus to lie to Dumbledore, let his friends pick on another student, or put people at risk because he had a bad childhood. That's all I'm saying. I LOVE Remus. I'm GLAD he did those things. It makes him a BETTER CHARACTER.


Agreement here. Well said. :)

No, no, no, Jerkwater- I'm not sarcastic at all. No, it wasn't a sarcasm. I know YOU misunderstood ME :)

Thanks for support, anyway. And really well said about Remus. NOBODY IS PERFECT.

Lupin has an enchanting, fascinating mysterious aura about him even though he seems like your average,everyday good-natured bloke (well, forget 'average' and 'everyday'..). I mean, he's a werewolf but I really think there's more to him than that.
I do, however, think that his lycanthropy most definitely adds to his charms...

I don't think Lupin's going to die. I thought so until a while ago but I dunno, something just made me change my mind.
Considering how he's almost always pictured as this frail, tired, prematurely grey man, 'like one good hex might finish him off', one might think that he's the first to pop his clogs.
Someone somewhere mentioned Peter's new silvery hand and how it might later be used to kill Remus and I certainly hope it isn't so.
Aren't werewolves supposed to be practically immortal? I'm sure I've read that somewhere (obviously some mythology site)..

I adore Lupin, he's my favourite wee introvert!

„ (...) Lupin’s face was pale. ‘Let’s- let’s find the others. Where are they all Neville?’
Lupin turned away from the archway as he spoke. It sounded as though every word was causing him pain.”

my heart went out to lupin when i read that. he has always been one of my favorites and to realize that all of his best friends have left him is so sad. and it's such a shame that he is not mentioned more often. there are so many aspects of him that havent explored. he's so two-dimensional. he has never truly got his 15 minutes of fame. we dont get to hear from him enough.

Well, I'm almost positive that Lupin will at least be around until book seven, as JK Rowling said he will play a large part in that book. I really hope they don't kill him off!

Lupin has always been my favorite character. I think the reason so many like him is because they identify with him- the introvert who won't stand up to his friends because he's afaird they'll leave him. Lupin, like so many of us, likes to be liked, and that is his greatest flaw- besides having the misfortune to have been bitten by a werewolf.:)

No, he didn't stand up to James and Sirius... and no, he didn't tell Dumbledore that Sirius was an animagus. But put into his place, how many of us would have? We all like to be liked, some of us more or less than others. He didn't want to lose Dumbledore's trust, or Sirus' and James' friendships- he had so little trust or friendship in his life. Many of the characters in the book are too absolute in their personalities; they just seem too one sided real. Snape for instance- though that seems that it may change. But Lupin seems to be a genuinely caring character. But he is flawed. That's what makes him all the more likable.:)

I felt the same way, Swtevejade. I was already in tears because I knew Sirius was not coming back, but reading that passage just tore my heart out. Remus has suffered through so much in his lifetime, with his lycanthropy, losing one best friend and believing for thirteen years that his other best friend was a traitor and a murderer, only to discover afterward that Peter was still alive and had been the real traitor. Now he has lost his last best friend; the only living link he had to his childhood. I can hardly fathom how he has stayed sane all this time, but I truly admire him for all his unwavering kindness and sense of humor.

i absolutely love Lupin. I know he has his faults, as does everyone. I really hope Harry talks to him more that he did in OotP. What i really like about Lupin is that he is nice and cares about people. Also, there's the fact that he reminds me a bit of myself. =) i really really really hope he doesn't get killed off. =)

I adore Remus Lupin. I think many people give the wrong impression of Lupin in their writing by failing to explore his bad points. It's not flattering when people do this. Whole chunks of his character can't be ignored.

I'd like to see the wolf side of Professor Lupin displayed again in the books. He has a very literal case of a split personality. In a terrible and sadistic way, this is a very entertaining attribute in any character, particularly when the normal personality is a kind, polite and mild one.

My heart goes out to Professor Lupin. It's obvious how much he valued his friends. How many more friends does he have to lose? The time when the Potters died would have been the worst. In one short period he lost everything. Two dead, one 'dead', one imprisoned, and him left alone with only the moon for company. Hows that for a short sharp shower of .... shoot, now I'm depressed.

Originally posted by Cat (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=466917#post466917))
I'd like to see the wolf side of Professor Lupin displayed again in the books. He has a very literal case of a split personality. In a terrible and sadistic way, this is a very entertaining attribute in any character, particularly when the normal personality is a kind, polite and mild one.

Yeah, the Jekyll/Hyde aspects of Lupin have yet to be explored, and I, too, hope that they will be. Not that it is entirely Jekyll and Hyde, since Lupin's split personality was, so far as we know, not of his own doing.

I also think that Lupin's kind, polite, mild personality is very much that of a man who has truly come to terms with his wolfish side. At least I think so. I mean, it doesn't seem to me that he is simply in denial of his lycanthropy. I guess he had plenty of opportunity to "explore" that side of himself in his earlier years, before the potion that he now takes was available.

But I do hope that we will have opportunity to see him grapple a bit more, or perhaps make positive use of, his wolf side. Nice point, Cat.

First I'd like to say that I love Lupin (hence the name). I really liked how is character developed throughout the 5th book. He really took the time to care about other characters emotions (Molly, guy in hospital). He just seems to be the happy medium. He's just so good willed, and level headed. I really hope/think that these aspect of his character will help Harry through these difficult times. I think he'll be an important part in Harry's growth, and in Harry's preperation for facing Voldemort. He's also the last good Maurauder left (sob!). I think he will also help Harry confront his emotions. Harry has a nasty habit of bottling everything up until he explodes, and it seems as if Lupin is one of the only people Harry feels comfortable with to fully express himself. I luv him! However, I'd have to agree with Aoife Diggle, I think he will die. This will be another thing Voldemort takes away from Harry. As much as I am dreading it, I'm pretty sure he's going to join Sirius and James. And I know when that times comes, I'll be inconsolable........

Originally posted by Jerkwater (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=465678#post465678))
Meh... I wouldn't go so far as to say he was through and through good. I like Remus, he's my favorite non-central character and the best DADA teacher yet. But let's not forget how he did nothing to stop James and Sirius from abusing Snape. How he put countless people at risk by wandering around as a werewolf, how he allowed his friends to put themselves at risk as well.

He is a flawed character. No one in the HP series is "through and through good", that's what makes the characters so great.


AH HA! I like the way you think!

Remus is my favorite character (along with Ced) but after I read that bit about Sirius and Potter torturing Snape, I couldn't help but think "Ok, now why the h e l l are you just standing there, doing nothing?" I was very dissapointed and my respect for him has dropped a little ever since then but I still like him.

Remus is my favorite character (along with Ced) but after I read that bit about Sirius and Potter torturing Snape, I couldn't help but think "Ok, now why the h e l l are you just standing there, doing nothing?" I was very dissapointed and my respect for him has dropped a little ever since then but I still like him.

I guess that's of what J.K. Rowling meant when she said that one of Remus' flaws was that he wanted everyone to like him. If he had stood up and stopped James and Sirius from humiliating Snape, they might have become angry with him or accused him of being on Snape's side. As Dumbledore pointed out, "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends." At the time Remus was still a teenager, so his feelings of needing to belong were much stronger and he didn't have the courage to stop his friends from tormenting Snape. At least he was willing to admit his fault when Harry confronted Sirius and Remus about the scene in the Pensieve, which shows his strength of character and keeps him at the same level of respect that I held for him in the past.

Lupin is my second favourite character. I have always thought he was pretty darned wonderful. I especially thought it was touching the way he comforted Molly. I also have to agree with all the faults listed here and that it makes him a better all round character (and to the person who said Snape was a jerk at school and apparently deserved what he got, how do you know he was jerk? and NOBODY deserves that!...can you tell who my favourite character is yet? ;) ).

I actually don't think Lupin will die (and I certainly HOPE not). I'm thinking that the tragedy of Lupin is that he always survives. One of the appeals of his character is that he must be wracked with survivor guilt along with all the emotions left over from what happened 14 years ago. It would be far more poignant if he were to be one of the few left standing at the end...and lots of opportunity for fan fic. :)

Originally posted by Insomnia (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=466322#post466322))

He must have sad childhood, poor thing... And after he left the school it wasn't surely any better... I really want someone comfort him at last!


I'll comfort him!!!! :love:

I really think Prof. Lupin is the best character. He is so...sexy....considerate....flawed...strong...did i mention sexy???

And theres not nearly enough of him! Can't wait to see this major role he has to play in the future :crush:

There's definately not enough Lupin, not yet at least.

I was so happy when he showed up in the Ootp, but then was disappointed that he didn't do more. Maybe now that poor Sirius is dead, Lupin will sort of take his place as Harry's confident.

Originally posted by crazytaxi (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=468167#post468167))

I actually don't think Lupin will die (and I certainly HOPE not). I'm thinking that the tragedy of Lupin is that he always survives. One of the appeals of his character is that he must be wracked with survivor guilt along with all the emotions left over from what happened 14 years ago. It would be far more poignant if he were to be one of the few left standing at the end...and lots of opportunity for fan fic. :)


You're probably right. Poor Lupin may always be left behind, trying to figure out what to do with the rest of his life, and how to live with the memories and the guilt. what did he do for the years Harry was growing up? It seems that he may have had to go live in isolation to keep from harming anyone. But now he has the potion to keep him in control of himself. So what will he do now?
:(

Aww...what a nice thread :clappy:

Lupin is definitely one of my favorite characters...I always have an attachment to the "nice guys" or the "tragic guys" in books and movies. I just reread Book 3, and it's just amazing how endearing he became the minute he woke up from sleeping on the train. I still get upset when he resigns!

The 2 things that I loved the most in that book dealing with him is the fact that he was everyone's favorite DADA teacher (I loved when Dean Thomas even spoke up about it in OotP) and the fact that Harry felt he could open up to him about a lot....the only other adult at Hogwarts he seemed to be able to talk to like that was Dumbledore.

His lycanthropy and the fact that he just wants to be liked/loved and his just overall kindness make him an incredibly loveable and "realistic" character.

And I really really want to know what he does for the Order!!

And another thing I forgot to add....

Lupin's character does indeed remain mysterious to us in some aspects...we don't know much about his present life, or what he did after Hogwarts, or exactly why Sirius would suspect him as the spy rather than Pettigrew (which I have always found very odd). He seems to like to keep the attention away from himself...which I find...interesting...

Well, Sirius probably suspected Lupin because he believed Remus was so much more powerful than Pettigrew, and, in his mind of much more use to Voldemort. Lupin was also very quiet and introverted, which may have been veiwed as a sign of guilt by Sirius.

Or maybe Pettigrew had set Lupin up to bring the suspicion onto the werewolf, in the hopes of being made the Potter's secret keeper...

It's all very confusing. Lupin probably liked to draw attention away form himself because of all the fear he had generated his whole life... he didn't want to cause any more fear. It is very interesting, though.

It would be cool to see Lupin's "other side"--it could come in handy when fighting DE's! ha! imagine that. I thought it was really touching too, when he was always the one who calmed Mrs. Weasley.


RJLupin: thanks, wasn't Boondock Saints a fantastic movie? If you'd like a picture for your sig, let me know.:coolblue:

Lupin is by far my favorite character. He just seems like such a good guy. And I felt soo bad for him because if I lost my last good friend I would be torn apart. You could sense the pain he was going through and it just got me even more upset. I mean, yeah, he has other friends, but not his best friends. That just really got to me.

Yey Another forum talking happily about Remus Lupin^-^

I've adore Lupin from the moment he offered chocolate to harry on the train to hogwarts - he is such a lovely lovely person; it was great to see someone sticking up for Harry, helping him out and being an all round cool guy. - even better when it turns out he was close friends with harry's father^-^

Great points on Lupin's character btw loopy4lupin and nightingale-I agree with everything you both said^-^
Lupin is definately mysterious and I would so love to learn more about him; there is so much we don't know-one of the huge downsides to Harry Potter being written soley from harry's pov
^-^;
For one- I'd never really considered what Lupin must have gone through the day voldemort attacked the potters- thanks for bringing it up Cat! To have lost all of his friends in one day must have been awful-considering the type of person that Lupin is.
and with Umbridge passing that law-which made it difficult for werewolves to get jobs I do wonder how Lupin survived for as long as he did.
I always feel so sorry for Lupin,I really wish JK would give him a break - he is so desperate to fit in, to be liked, so lovely to (almost) everyone and yet he was cursed with this monthly nightmare that frightens most people away - and now the first people who really accepted him are all gone. :( gee its depressing just talking about it never mind living it!*sigh*

after saying all that about how wonderful Lupin is - I think his bad points serve only to make him even better! I read a great article which pretty much lists all of lupin's bad points (found here:
http://groups.msn.com/hpkingdom/remuslupin.msnw ) but instead of putting me off him...it made me love him even more - I actually agree with a lot of what was written in that article too perhaps because I see myself in Lupin and can well imagine how such could be true of him.

I was overjoyed to see him in ootp - but wish we could have had more! *hugs Lupin* he needs someone *nods* I doubt anyone could replace the 3 he's lost, but a friend definately-someone even he could open up to. After Sirius' death I felt awful for him- poor poor Lupin:(

As for whether lupin will die in the end?..well Jk in my opinion will go one of two ways (no doh)
-she'll either keep him alive so he can be a torchured soul forever - as all ready suggested and keep us all happy (more lupin! *yey*)
oooor!
-she'll kill him off so he can rejoin his best friends over on the other side of the viel^-^
Of course I'd be majorly upset -more so than i was with sirius' death(which says a lot) if Lupin were to die, but in all honesty, it would probably be a 'happier' ending for Lupin if he did...unless of course he does find some new friends^-^;

...i wonder if he'd still turn into a spirit werewolf....hum...

Originally posted by aeterna_kai (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=468943#post468943))


after saying all that about how wonderful Lupin is - I think his bad points serve only to make him even better! I read a great article which pretty much lists all of lupin's bad points (found here:
http://groups.msn.com/hpkingdom/remuslupin.msnw ) but instead of putting me off him...it made me love him even more - I actually agree with a lot of what was written in that article too perhaps because I see myself in Lupin and can well imagine how such could be true of him.


Thanks, aeterna_kai, for the ref. to this very good article. I don't always agree with its author's analysis, but she does an excellent job amassing the available data on Lupin. I'd recommend it, too.

Lupin is my favorite existing character too, and I'm astounded that after being discriminated against his entire life, he still is one of the best people in the book. He lost all his friends but he can still look at the positives.

reamus and sirius have always been my fav characters. so you can imagaine how much i cried when *sob* sirius *sob sob* left poor suffering reamus all alone (again!) but i think that this will give my poor reammy a motive to go after peter (the little rat). i mean he will finally be able to become a true griffendor (dont' get me wrong he's really brave) i just think that once he faces up to his old friend he will have finally discovered the strenghth that we all knew he had.(and love him forlol) : )

did you ever think that JK made reamus such a great person (kind, considerate, noble...) because inside he is really trying to compensate for the wolf?

jsut wondering.....

Yes I agree that he is one of the best characeters, and all his school friends are dead :'( He just better not get killed off.

Remus is definitely one of my favorites too. But I'm afraid he got competition from Moody and Tonks. We shall see............

You've almost got me in tears here...I feel so sorry for dear Lupin. And one of the best things about him is that he doesn't let life bring him down. He just gets on with things, holds his head up, and helps the people who need him. A lot of people are trying to persuade us that Snape can't help being nasty because he's had a bad life. Well, Lupin might not have had such a bad time since he had real friends, but if he chose to be nasty I bet he'd have people falling over themselves to justify him. But he isn't nasty! How much do I love that man?

OK, I'm the first to say he's got his weaknesses. But I don't love him because I think he's perfect. I love him because he's a much better person than you'd expect in the circumstances, and because nearly everything he says makes me feel like I've just drunk a mug of hot chocolate. And I don't mind my hot chocolate a bit weak as long as it's warm and sweet!

No problem Phoneixsong^-^
I actually got the link from Lupins Ladee at the 'all about remus lupin' thread and thought I'd pass it on in here as it was so informative!

-Love the hot chocolate idea Puffskein!
Thats perfect for Lupin...ummm hot chocolate:o

Or Butterbeer, if you're a wizard. Lupin warms you right up, doesn't he?

Lol yeah! Butterbear:)

Lupin does warm you up-everytime I see his name I suddenly feel happier when Im reading HP-Its kind of like-oh Lupins there; everything will be okay now^-^

yes, now that i think of it, with Sirius gone Lupin is my favorite character. i hope he takes on sirius' role of being harry's godfather. i really hope we see more of him in future books and he becomes closer to harry.

Lupin is wonderful. Now that Sirius is gone, he is no longer tied with him for my favorite living character. I liked him from the very start - I have a soft spot for the "nice guys". I just think that all the things he's had to put up with, his weaknesses... they all just add up to who he really is. He's just such a sweet guy... After Sirius was killed, and Lupin said that line, I was sobbing harder than ever. I mean, I can't imagine how painful it has to be to lose all of your best friends, and you're the only one left. I really hope he and Harry become closer in the future, and that Lupin kind of takes over the "fatherly role".

Adonaichild- i would love to have that as my sig, mail it to me if its not a problem. Thanks. And yes, it was a great movie.

Good ol' cuddly Lupin!;D

Posted by:Puffskein

OK, I'm the first to say he's got his weaknesses. But I don't love him because I think he's perfect. I love him because he's a much better person than you'd expect in the circumstances, and because nearly everything he says makes me feel like I've just drunk a mug of hot chocolate. And I don't mind my hot chocolate a bit weak as long as it's warm and sweet!

Perfect analogy, Puffskein, couldn't have put it better myself!:D

And thank you very much, aeterna_kai, that's very kind of you.:)

I've always liked him best (so Sirius and Severus). Because I always wanted to meet a man so kind, nice and good. Not ideal man, no. But really good one. Somebody who loves this world even if world doesn't love him properly.

Lupin is my favorite existing character too, and I'm astounded that after being discriminated against his entire life, he still is one of the best people in the book. He lost all his friends but he can still look at the positives.

And this is so wonderful with him, PrOnGs.

I, also- like aeterna_kai- loved Remus (if I could say "love"... but my feelings towards him are very, very similar so...) from the moment his meeting with Harry in the Hogwarts Express. He is simply... likeable. I don't believe if there were people who don't like him.

Originally posted by Scarlet Tears (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=467453#post467453))
At least he was willing to admit his fault when Harry confronted Sirius and Remus about the scene in the Pensieve, which shows his strength of character and keeps him at the same level of respect that I held for him in the past.


I agree. I don't think it's necessarily Lupin's flaws that make him such a good character, but rather his awareness of them, and his willingness to admit them. That makes him not only unique to the world of Harry Potter, but the real life world as well.

You're welcome loony4lupin^-^

and yes he is rather cuddly isn't he....

*sigh* I think my attachment to Remus is moving into an unhealthy range:whistle:

hehe -I just wanna give the guy a big hug.

I just started reading POA again(not quite finished it yet tho) and nearly everytime Lupin speaks I just feel so terribly sorry for him.
One point in particular I almost cried for the poor soul...

its page 140 in the brittish ed-
Harry just told Lupin what he hears when the dementors get too close-
"Lupin made a sudden movement with his arm as though he had moved to grip harry's shoulder, but thought better of it-"

and another time-when Harry mentions hearing James

""you heard James?"said lupin, in a strange voice"

I'm not sure why it hit me so much...maybe because Lupin has been forced to distance himself from people all of his life that now he can't allow himself to break that barrier...its just so sweet that he wants to comfort harry- one of is best friend's children and yet can't...
I found it weird in POA that Lupin was in fact hardly mentioned as being aquainted with james and Sirius...kind of makes me think that 'two was company' threes a crowd...why were there no wedding photos with lupin on them? etc...I don't get why Lupin so obviously avoided talking to Harry about james -sirius I can understand-hes an ''criminal''

I would love to know how Lupin reacted and coped after James' death..he most certainly seemed bitter towards sirius, he says in poa that ,
"'Yes I knew him, ' he said shortly, 'or i thought i did'"

and...thats enough blabbing from me for now - must continue reading poa :)

hmmm...that's right.

If Lupin had been in the Potter's wedding pictures, Harry would have recognized them...I mean he had to have at least been an usher or at the very least at the wedding...

hm

I love Lupin! I want to hug him and buy him some nice clothes so much! Of course he has flaws, but as someone whos biggest flaw is wanting to be liked, how can we hold it against him? Especially since, as its been said, Sirius and James were closer to each other than to him. Being a werewolf gave him pretty low self-confidence I'm sure, so of course he wouldn;t do anything to jeopardize the frindships he's made.

Yeaaaaaaaah, lupin rocks!!!!!!!

He was one of my favs - and all you lupin fans out there will be happy to know (if you didn't already) that Rowling said in an interview that Lupin is one of her favs too :)

I think these links will be of interest to you all, too:

http://www.geocities.com/willowsevern/files/lupin3.html
http://www.geocities.com/willowsevern/files/lupin4.html

^ Complete listings of every time lupin is mentioned :D Sadly, it's not complete for the 5th book... but still! :D

Ah Thankies Seerius! I was planning on going through and doing that myself; you've saved me the bother!

:D all of Lupin's moments in one special little place hehe

On the subject....

what is everyone's? fav Lupin moment?

Oh i just love Lupin ... a really goooood caracter... and i'm wondering too how he feels now that Sirius is gone...
I think, as Dumbledore said, that he has kind'a peace in his mind, 'cos Sirius died in battle...
I don't know ....

„ (...) Lupin’s face was pale. ‘Let’s- let’s find the others. Where are they all Neville?’
Lupin turned away from the archway as he spoke. It sounded as though every word was causing him pain.”


oh god i was howling that time
!!!!!!!!

When I first read that bit I actually thought it had been badly written..I thought Lupin's reaction was quite pathetic, his closest friend just died and all he does is go paler than normal...^-^;

I was very stupid.

I think that bit right there is a microcosom of Lupin's whole character near enough. We can see how much Lupin loved Sirus by the pain in his voice, but we can also see how terribly strong Lupin is...he realises that it is important right now to protect harry and help the others, he can't allow himself to get carried away on emotion...like harry does.
I think thats what makes it worse...we can all hardly imagine the loss Lupin feels right at that moment and yet he is still putting others first.

I think Lupin is always pretty gaurded with his emotions though - hes an excellent stoic actor^-^

My personal favorite Lupin moment is this:

"Ron made a valiant effort to get up again but fell back with a whimper of pain. Lupin made toward him, looking concerned, but ron gasped,
'Get away from me, werewolf!'
Lupin stopped dead. Then, with an obvious effort, he turned to Hermione and said, 'How long have you known?'

I thought that was just awful and wrong. It would have taken a great deal of effort to ignore Ron's comment, especially when all you wanted was to be liked. I know that not many of us wouldn't have said something spiteful in return.

Lupin found that Sirius was innocent, Pettigrew was a traitor, he forgot to take his potion, AND was exposed as a werewolf to the world, all in one night, then was all but forced to leave the one place that ever made him truly happy...

Poor cuddly Lupin needs a hug.

Originally posted by Lupins Ladee (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=425900#post425900))
I read an interesting Character study on our favorite wolf. I need to find it again and figure out how to link. The writer says that Remus is not as nice as he seems and he is manipulative. I really need to find it again it was interesting. Though I am choosing to ignore the evidence the author gives and stick with the Remus is the greatest crowd.


It was certainly interesting, but I can't help think that she went too far into one thing that he said, and analyzed it to the point that it wasn't even a Lupin-ism, it was a jumble of words (much like what's happened with the "Sit down, Potter" phrase...). I don't think that he is manipulative at all, though I prefer to think him as an innocent little lamb, even if in a blatant display of not innocent-ness from Remus.

Has anyone noticed that the people who don't like Sirius and James anymore because of what happened in Snape's worst memory, still like Lupin? It just proves how sweet and unmanipulative he is. :p

Is she trying to kill them all or something, goodness Im getting really displeased with her. but we are definatly gunna hear more about lupin in the next books.

That was a well-written article, but it seemed to be a bit harsh on old Lupin. A bit of over-analyzing near the end, as Lestrange pointed out.:)

I personally don't think that Lupin is manipulative- just introverted.

I admit- I was shaking in my boots when I read the fourth book, after Pettigrew got his silver arm...:wow: I was afraid through the whole 5th book that he would kick the bucket!

I'm personally hopin that if there is a showdown between Pettigrew and Remus, that Harry will pull his 'I saved your life, you owe me one' card and save Lupin.

And you can count me in on the Cod Squad!:evil:

I read that article too, and I agree, as well, it was well-written, but extremely strongly worded. It makes you think, though. At this moment, I would like to mention that I love Lupin, he's one of my favourite characters, and I don't agree with a lot of points the author of the article made, so please don't take offense. I don't think Lupin is manipulative, I think he just has a way with people. The one thing in that article that stuck out was the fact that Lupin is almost always in charge in most of the scenes he's in (when he's older), but it's done so subtly that one doesn't really take much notice (i.e. when sirius and molly are arguing about how much to tell Harry about the Order, Lupin calms them both, when the Advance Guard arrives at Privet Drive, Lupin seems to be the leader...or at least co-leader <---all of these are mentioned in the article, along with more examples...I just said that to not make it seem like I was smart enough to catch this stuff). That's not a bad thing, In fact, I think it's good, but there is definitely more to Lupin that meets the eye. He's always so calm and collected...it's just not very human, like in PoA when Sirius was yelling at Pettgrew, he was enraged, Lupin was just, cold...yet still calm and collected...don't get me wrong, I don't think he's evil...I just want to find out more about him. I think that so many years of thinking you had lost all your closest friends through someone who you had thought was also a great friend of yours would have made him restrict his emotions...maybe, that's what did it...he kind of shows even less emotion than Snape, who's motto to not be weak was to not wear you heart on your sleeve, yet even he can't resist showing emotion when Harry peers into his deepest thought...yet Lupin can even when he meets the cause-of-death of Lily and James. Granted, he did want to kill Pettigrew when Sirius said they should, and there was definite coldness, which is not characteristic of Lupin, as we know him, in the manner he said that Wormtail should have known that if Voldemort didn't kill him that Sirius and Lupin would...but still...Plus, why exactly didn't he mind being thought of as the traitor by James, Lily, and Sirius...I suppose then was not the time to discuss it...but the thought came so easily to him....when he asked whether they'd switched Secret-Keepers because they thought he was the traitor...There are just so many factors...As much as I'd like to believe that Lupin is just a shy, calm, level-headed, man, I don't think that's all he is...there's more to him. Maybe being a werewolf causes you to have two/split personalities (someone on the forums mentioned this)....Ying and Yang...

I love every moment with Remus in it. But these are some of my favorites:

Professor Lupin gave a small sigh and took out his wand.
"This is a useful little spell," he told the class over his shoulder. "Please watch closely."
He raised the wand to shoulder height, said, "Waddiwasi! "and pointed it at Peeves.
With the force of a bullet, the wad of chewing gum shot out of the keyhole and straight down Peeves's left nostril; he whirled upright and zoomed away, cursing.
"Cool, sir!" said Dean Thomas in amazement.
"Thank you, Dean," said Professor Lupin, putting his wand away again. "Shall we proceed?"

"You heard James?" said Lupin in a strange voice.
"Yeah..." Face dry, Harry looked up. "Why -- you didn't know my dad, did you?";
"I -- I did, as a matter of fact," said Lupin. "We were friends at Hogwarts. "
(*sniff* tears well up inside my eyes when I read this. My poor, dear Lupin :'( )

"Did you like question ten, Moony?" asked Sirius as they emerged into the entrance hall.
"Loved it," said Lupin briskly. "'Give five signs that identify the werewolf.' Excellent question."
"Do you think you managed to get all the signs? said James in a tone of mock concern.
"I think I did," said Lupin seriously as they joined the crowd thronging around the front doors eager to get out into the sunlit grounds. One: He's sitting in my chair. Two: He's wearing my robes. Three: His name's Remus Lupin...'"

My favourite Lupin moment? How about all of them?! The ones that spring to mind that no-one's mentioned yet are the bit when he comforts Molly after she meets the Boggart (awww!) and the scene when Snape confronts him about the map and they both put on acts for Harry.

My fave Lupin moment was when he gave the Marauder's map back to Harry, with the explanation that James would be ashamed if his own son couldn't find a way to get out of Hogwarts *or something along those lines*

I really like Lupin because despite the fact that you could almost say he has a contagious disease *almost like AIDS in the muggle world, if you will* and he has been discriminated against all his life, he's still one of the kindest characters in the book. He has Harry's interests in mind, is neither too protective of him nor too reckless. He'd be the best parent for Harry. He's was also the best DADA teacher.

I'd like to get to know Lupin a lot more over the next two books, and I'd also like to see him take over Sirius' role of giving him advice and helping him to overcome his obstacles. It would be great if he told Harry *and us* more about what the Marauders got up to when they were at Hogwarts.

Lupin would definitely have to be one of my favourite characters. After all he's been through he can still turn the other cheek, eg when Ron tells him to get away in PoA. That would take a lot of self-control, and I admire him for it.

When I first read that bit I actually thought it had been badly written..I thought Lupin's reaction was quite pathetic, his closest friend just died and all he does is go paler than normal...^-^;

I was very stupid.

I think that bit right there is a microcosom of Lupin's whole character near enough. We can see how much Lupin loved Sirus by the pain in his voice, but we can also see how terribly strong Lupin is...he realises that it is important right now to protect harry and help the others, he can't allow himself to get carried away on emotion...like harry does.
I think thats what makes it worse...we can all hardly imagine the loss Lupin feels right at that moment and yet he is still putting others first.

I think Lupin is always pretty gaurded with his emotions though - hes an excellent stoic actor^-^

Oh no, it wasn't wrong what's he done then. Listen- he should howl with pain or something? No, because he should be strong- it wasn't the end of battle and he shouldn't show Harry how weak he is- Harry was broke down enough himself. I bet he was crying when he came home... like a man who left alone... without all his friends... but still nobody could see him crying. He must be strong.


I also love all the moments with him but... these particularly:

Professor Lupin gave a small sigh and took out his wand.
"This is a useful little spell," he told the class over his shoulder. "Please watch closely."
He raised the wand to shoulder height, said, "Waddiwasi! "and pointed it at Peeves.

"Ron made a valiant effort to get up again but fell back with a whimper of pain. Lupin made toward him, looking concerned, but ron gasped,
'Get away from me, werewolf!'
Lupin stopped dead. Then, with an obvious effort, he turned to Hermione and said, 'How long have you known?'
With the force of a bullet, the wad of chewing gum shot out of the keyhole and straight down Peeves's left nostril; he whirled upright and zoomed away, cursing.
"Cool, sir!" said Dean Thomas in amazement.
"Thank you, Dean," said Professor Lupin, putting his wand away again. "Shall we proceed?"


I thought that was just awful and wrong. It would have taken a great deal of effort to ignore Ron's comment, especially when all you wanted was to be liked. I know that not many of us wouldn't have said something spiteful in return.

How truly it is... I feel so much sorry for Remus then that I thought if I can I would hit Ron or something... It was so unfeeling what he did.

""Has anyone noticed that the people who don't like Sirius and James anymore because of what happened in Snape's worst memory, still like Lupin? It just proves how sweet and unmanipulative he is.""
- Lol good point Lestrange^-^ we'rd how our minds work ne? How can some people not like Lupin!..and I'm not just talking in the harry potter world here *shakes head* its madness..he is just so so lovable! :yup:

I agree with that theory too Loopy4lupin! That could most definately be wormtails 'big important moment' although I would love to see Lupin kick his sorry ***...

:clappy: Fabulous post nightingale!
There was definately something missing from that article...like I said, i didn't think Lupin was quite so bleak as described in it...I do think he can 'manipulate situations' but not in a particulary bad way...more like you said here:

Originally posted by nightingale (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=474506#post474506))
I don't think Lupin is manipulative, I think he just has a way with people. The one thing in that article that stuck out was the fact that Lupin is almost always in charge in most of the scenes he's in (when he's older), but it's done so subtly that one doesn't really take much notice (i.e. when sirius and molly are arguing about how much to tell Harry about the Order, Lupin calms them both, when the Advance Guard arrives at Privet Drive, Lupin seems to be the leader...or at least co-leader <---all of these are mentioned in the article, along with more examples...I just said that to not make it seem like I was smart enough to catch this stuff). That's not a bad thing, In fact, I think it's good,


I most certainly agree with the second half of your post also...There is definately more to Lupin that we don't fully understand yet - with the life he's had its no wonder he has so many hidden layers though.
Interesting what you said about snape also...Lupin is far far from weak.

I do hope JK will let us all in on Lupin a little more in the next books...it'd be such a shame not to unravel such a complex character!

Oh no, it wasn't wrong what's he done then. Listen- he should howl with pain or something? No, because he should be strong- it wasn't the end of battle and he shouldn't show Harry how weak he is- Harry was broke down enough himself. I bet he was crying when he came home... like a man who left alone... without all his friends... but still nobody could see him crying. He must be strong.

-I know Insomnia - hence my saying 'I am stupid' I realised when i re read it straight afterwards that it had been a perfect description of Remus' reaction - the poor guy...
I really do think he probably waited until he could be alone to let it all out....I doubt he would have wanted anyone to see him upset...like I say, very reserved and gaurded of his emotions.



Originally posted by Loopy4Lupin (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=474105#post474105))

Lupin found that Sirius was innocent, Pettigrew was a traitor, he forgot to take his potion, AND was exposed as a werewolf to the world, all in one night, then was all but forced to leave the one place that ever made him truly happy...


Also consider...if Lupin hadn't turned into a werewolf at that moment, Sirius' name may have been cleared, he has the guilt of that lying on his shoulders too, I don't doubt.

I think all of my favourite moments have already been mentioned...its basically every time Lupin pops up I guess...but one more to add would be when Harry contacts Sirius via the fireplace...When Lupin and Sirius reminis about the old days:

"Was he playing with the snitch?" Lupin said eagerly
"Yeah,"said Harry, watching uncomprehendingly as Sirius and Lupin beamed reminiscently.

Its just so cute to see Sirius and Remus like that!


Poor cuddly Lupin needs a hug.


aww, altogether now *big Lupin group hug!* ;)

I thought the article was interesting too, but it doesn't tally very well with what Lupin's own creator says about him. In the Albert Hall interview, JKR described him as "a wonderful teacher and a wonderful man, but I like him more for having the flaw that he likes to be liked" (paraphrase) Elsewhere she has mentioned how kind he is. I don't think she'd love him that much if she meant him to be as manipulative, sneaky and unfeeling as the article suggests.

Yay Finally I post something that sparks debate. I would def like to know why Lupin thought it was OK that Sirius, Lilly, and James thought he was the spy. I have theories but I would really like something to be canon. But, alas the only people who can tell us for shore are all dead "Sniff". Maybe Peter knows. I hope we learn more about Remus and his past.

Group-hug! :grouphug:

When Lupin and Sirius reminis about the old days:

"Was he playing with the snitch?" Lupin said eagerly
"Yeah,"said Harry, watching uncomprehendingly as Sirius and Lupin beamed reminiscently.

Its just so cute to see Sirius and Remus like that!

I know, it was adorable! And that brings up another part with Sirius and Remus, when he finally discovers that Sirius is innocent:

"Lupin was lowering his wand, gazing fixedly at Black. The Professor walked to Black's side, seized his hand, pulled him to his feet so that Crookshanks fell to the floor, and embraced Black like a brother."

That scene just brings a tear to my eye. Remus had lived for so long believing that two of his best friends were dead while the other had caused their deaths. In a single night he was reunited with Sirius and convinced that Peter was the traitor (which probably wasn't that devastating, since he seemed very annoying from what we saw of him in the Pensieve). Even in its brevity, that moment must have been truly wonderful for him.

I love remus!

he, Sirius and Harry have to be my fav characters and that scene after sirius died broke my heart as well. The poor guy :( his two best friends are dead and the other is a traitor who caused their deaths. I do hope we see more of him in the sixth book and that he takes over sirius's role for Harry. What interview did J.K say he will have a big role in book seven?????????

All those time when Lupin appeared to be the leader in Advance Guard, I think that it's just because he was appointed as one of the leaders, if not the leader.

That being said, I don't think he is the leader of the Order per say, because Dumbledore is, but I suppose he is very respected and they reguard him highly. Even if he isn't one, the members still probably think of him as one because he was in the Order last time, and his non-emotion persona.

Hey, maybe Dumbledore has appointed him as one at certain times, you know... He is very level-headed, and Dumbledore knows that he wouldn't do anything rash or stupid, or even something because of his emotions, so maybe he's the leader while Dumbledore's not there.

Lupins Ladee, I'm glad something you've posted has started debate, I have yet to reach that goal. :p

Anyway, I think he might have been hurt by them not trusting him, but he is usually the quick-to-forgive type, he lets things slide because of his flaw that Puffskein has already explained.

I was also playing with that [intolerance] when I created Professor Lupin, who has a condition, which is contagious of course and so people are very frightened of him and I really like Professor Lupin as a character because he’s someone that also has a failing, because although he is a wonderful teacher (one I myself would have liked to have had as a teacher) and a wonderful man, he does like to be liked and that’s where he slips up. He’s been disliked so often that he’s always so pleased to have friends, so he cuts them an awful lot of slack.

Ah, scarlet tears I knew there'd be a suitable smilie somewhere for a group hug-I just didn't look hard enough!
:grouphug: *squishes Lupin in the middle*

hehe

aww yes I just finished re-reading poa yesterday...I felt so happy for Remus when he hugged Sirius! 'like a brother' really stood out...poor guy. *sigh*

hum yeah summergurl - good point; I've been seing that around a lot too...anyone know where it came from?

Ok dear this is going to be long.

I don't recall who's comment it was about Lupin NOT being throughoutly good, and of coarse he isn't, but I do however, have a few thngs to say in the character;s defence.

It is knowsn now to those who've read the 5th that Lupin never stopped Sirius and James from picking on Snape or bullying others. In his defence I say, he's human- in most ways- and that he lived a childhood and even his adult life being singled out, pushed aside, pesecuted against etc. He had NO friends before he went to Hogwarts, no one liked him, ppl stayed away from him, and he couldn't go to school...untill DD shows up into the picture of Lupin's life.

DD let him school there, whereas no other school would, went through to every measure that he could to make Life for Lupin more comfortable as well as safe for the others, and Lupin loved it, bcause soon he had friends- the friends ha had never had before! And they liked him very mcuh, and they were supportive of him and all, and they even turned Animagi so they he wouldn't be alone on the full moon.

If I were in that type of a spot.....being hated on like our real world form of racismn/ diseased type of persecution ...like Lupin, I'd have felt the same. having finally good friends, I'd probably feel that I'd never want to loose them, and that ojecting to thier behavior may just have made them hate him. That would be no good.

And I mean, despite the fact that Lilly hated James, James still liked her, which was different, as James was already popular, while Lupin certainly had not had so much company till he went to Hogwarts.

I guess he didn't want to loose them, I guess. Goodness knows what a tough situation it would have been. (had it been real)

Pretty tough stuff. My fave character, nenevertheless.

Can I bring a swordfish to the Codsmack if Lupin dies? http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?postid=479313 I've never had a book reduce me to tears, but I think the death of Remus would be it. I don't think JKR will kill him though, because Marauder killing has already been done, twice. It'll be cliche if she kills Moony, right? Right? :sorry:

Originally posted by jmk623 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=388800#post388800))
I hope Lupin takes a fatherly role to Harry, as he's now all alone. No parents, no godfather.......we'll have to wait and see.
I've been wanting that ever since PoA. Yes, Sirius was Harry's godfather, and Lupin becomes a vicious wolf once a month, but still. I would think after spending a year with Lupin, Harry would have felt closer to him than Sirius. I mean, he had also spent a year thinking Sirius was a homicidal maniac, he was awfully quick to change his mind. I don't know, maybe it's just my own affinity for Moony. :rolleyes: He's actually a lot like my own dad... except for the werewolf thing. :smile:

I don't think they'll be living together though. For one, Harry needs to stay with the Dursleys, where he is protected. Also, if Harry lived with Lupin, not only would Harry be in danger, but Lupin would be in danger, because then their close connection would be obvious, and V could use that against Harry.

I also think the Lupin-is-James theory is pretty ridiculous. Flibbertigibbet (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=391409#post391409) says it best - they obviously have different personalities. OotP makes it even more obvious. Besides, JKR has said we will never see Harry's parents alive.

Originally posted by Siriusly Remus (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=390777#post390777))
I wonder what he said to the werewolf in Mr. Weasley's room at St. Mungo's. I wonder how he really reacted to Sirius sending Snape after him in the Whomping Willow prank. I wonder how his 'career advice' interview went.
Very good questions. I'm itching to know! JKR probably won't go into though. :sigh:

Lupin is one of my favorite characters, if not my most favorite character. I don't really "fancy" him, I mean he's a lot like my dad so that would be a bit weird. But he does fit in with many of my ideas of what the ideal man should be. And like someone else on this thread mentioned, his character is extremely sympathetic. You can't help but love the guy!

All right- I worked as best I could, and the closest I could find was this quote, from one of Ms. Rowling's online chat sessions, I believe-

"Lupin will play a critical role in book seven," says JK Rowling

I hope that helps a bit!:D

Scoot over, I need to get in on that Lupin group hug!:grouphug:

Mander don't worry- we all (pretty much) adore Lupin in here ne? hehe...anywho Lupin even admitted his faults about the pensive scene didn't he? that makes him a wonderful person x3 in my eyes...it takes a big person to admit their own faults doesn't?

*pulls Mander into the group hug*


Ah thankies Loopy-san!^-^

As long as it definately came from JK i'm happy....its a bit odd to see her giving away that much though...I mean it tells us Lupin wont be dying at least until the 7th book doesn't it?...which btw is a huge relief...it means there are possibly many years between now and the slight idea that Lupin will die...I can live with that...until we get to book 7 of course, then maybe it'll be a little more worrying....

*makes room for Loopy in the group hug*

:grouphug:

*squishes Lupin some more*

ya know...there should be more group hugs involving Lupin in the books....^-^