Harry's O.W.L. results

At some time during this holiday Harry will be able to take the test for apparating. Who will teach him before the test....will he be allowed to apparate in the Dursleys house.

Or will Dumbledore ban him from this method of travel?

To enable Harry to become an Auror he would need to get an 'O' in his owls for potions to continue studying next year, will Snape grade him higher knowing that Harry needs the extra knowledge in his battle against Voldemort, or higher to torture him in class further.

I think McGonagall may give him some extra lessons, as she said she do whatever it took to make sure Harry could become an Auror. While I think she said it to **** Umbridge off, I also think she really did mean it.

I can't imagine Snape putting his pettiness aside for the good of all, since he wasn't able to do it in this book. He needs to let it go already. Sure James made his life miserable, but Harry isn't him.

But Harry resembles James greatly, and is the remainder of James in Snapes point of view. Snape did put his differences aside long enough to teach him occlumency, but the shock of him going through one of his worst memories, which probably still haunts him, pushed him over the line, which is understandable.

Professor McGonagall will give extra lessons if Harry requests them - of this I have no doubt.

I think you have to be 17 or 18 to apperate not 16 (Fred and George were in their 7th year and they had just passed there's - same for Percy in GOF, he had already left Hogwarts)

I am of course talking about the OWL results which he will get in July (Obviously for the start of Book 6)

So how well do you think he did?
Do you think he passed with flying colours?

Mind you thinking about do you really think he would give a monkeys anymore after hearing about the prophecy?

Also I'm interested in how well Ron did because it may/or may not effect him keeping his prefect badge for the sixth year.

I think he will get all OWLs he will need to be an Auror.. or if he doesnt, you know DD will find a way to make sure he gets what he wants.. personally i think he is good enough to be one right now.. the classes would help tho..

I bet he will pass. Cause I'm sure he'll be made into an Auror. I bet he'll get an O in Potions as well. It's jsut so obvious, and even if he doesn't, he'll be made an auror anyways cause he's good.

Yea he will do great! And he will be one of the best aurors ever!

I think he will definitely pass all his exams, but I don't think he will become an Auror. My new theory is that he will be a Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher. He's started already, teaching the DA.

I think he'll do good in most everything, especially DADA. I don't know how well he did in Divinitation or Astronomy though. But it's ok! I hope he gets good marks in potions!

Harry will get an O in potions just so Snape has to let him the class. After all what would Harry Potter be without the whole Snape/Harry feud?

BTW He will probably get an O in DADA, Charms,Care of Magical Creatures, Potions herbology and possibly Transfiguration.

He may get a pass on History of Magic due to his dream.

Nobody will be upset that he didn't get great marks in Divination. In fact it shows signs of his being a logical and honest person!

Here's my guesses...

Charms - E
- Flitwick said he was between an A and an E, so I'm guessing that due to studying, he'll get an E.

Transfiguration - E
- He was an A student in Transfiguration, but knowing he needed to get an E to become an auror, I'm guessing he studied hard and got it.

Defence Against the Dark Arts - O
- This is obviously his best subject, so I don't think we have much to fear.

Potions - E
- Due to studying, and the absence of Snape, I expect he didn't do to badly on Potions.

History of Magic - D
- Well, he didn't seem to know very much, and he was asleap part of the time, so I'm guessing he didn't pass this one.

Care of Magical Creatures - A
- I'm unconvinced how much he really learned under Hagrid, so while I think he passed this one, I don't expect him to get an E.

Astronomy - D
- He clearly hadn't finished a large portion of his chart, so I don't have high hopes for astronomy. He might have gotten an A, but I wouldn't count on it.

Divination - D
- Not being a seer, I don't think he had much hope on this one. Trelawny didn't help. I would be very surprised if he passed.

Herbology - A
- I don't even remember this test being mentioned, but I'm guessing Harry took it. I don't have the impression he's particularly good at Herbology, so I'd expect an A.

Total: 6 O.W.L.s
- This seems about right. Six isn't to bad, but it's not outstanding either. Seems about right for Harry.

Did I forget any tests?

Maybe he'll get less than a O in potions and Snape will finally get the DADA teacher job?

I think he got Outstanding in DADA. I really hope he did well in Potions. He needs to get Outstanding to take NEWT level. Since Snape isn't marking it, he might do well enough. I think he did well in Charms. It didn't say much about that exam after it metioned the first question. He smiled at it, so that makes me think he got Exceeds Expectations on it. He probably did well on Transfiguration. It went went, except for making the rat grow instead of changing its colour. BUt he fixed that. He did horrible in Divination seemingly, but that's no loss to him. He didn't want to take it anyway. Astronomy way probably Acceptable because he didn't finish. History of Magic didn't seem to go very well either. I think he did well on the subjects he needed to do well in.

Originally posted by ~BrandyTook~ (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=389415#post389415))
I really hope he did well in Potions. He needs to get Outstanding to take NEWT level. Since Snape isn't marking it, he might do well enough.

That was my thought as well. Once I saw that Snape wasn't giving it and I'd assume by that he's not grading it either, I thought, "Harry will get this." When he's concentrating, he's actually not that bad at potions. Snape just makes him nervous, I think, and that's what causes him to get distracted and make mistakes. I can't wait to see the look on Snape's face when he sees Harry in that class... :lol:

Well, I think that he definately got an O in DADA...if not, it's because someone tampered with his results, which I doubt will happen.

Other than that...I think he passed everything that he needed to pass to become an Auror...and here's why: For the prophecy to be true and for Harry to live, Harry is going to have to kill Voldemort. In the position of an Auror, Harry would have access to information on Voldemort, his whereabouts, and his followers. This would make it easier for Harry to get to and eventually kill Voldemort.

(On the other hand...some people have brought up the idea that Harry will become a DADA teacher, and that seems pretty likely, too.)

Daniel4HP

I disagree with Care of Magical Creatures I think he will get an O especially with a little extra tutoring from Hagrid and Firenze

Peace,
Tsar

1. Harry is still too young for the apparation exam.

2. Snape will not be grading Harry's Potion OWL-- that'll be up to the ministry staff.

3. Perhaps Dumbledore will take over the Occlumency training, since he has admitted that Snape is unable to put the past in the past and teach Harry.

4. McGonagall will make sure Harry has whatever help it takes to get the marks he needs in potions to advance to auror training. Perhaps Tonks might give him lessons during the summer? She must have done well in potions, since she's an auror now.

5. Who will be teaching DADA next year?

1. Even if Harry was able to Apparate, it wouldn't be of much use to him. For one i'm sure the Ministry isn't ready for Harry to use this method of travel, as they have enough trouble keeping tabs on him. And two, there wouldn't be much use for it. He can't use it at the Dursley's and he can't use it at Hogwarts. Not until he graduates from Hogwarts, or rather I should say if he graduates from Hogwarts, would it be useful.

5. The new DADA I think will be a member of the "Old Gang"...i'm hoping that it will of course be Lupin or someone like...but with him doing things for the Order...probably someone new and intriguing.

Snape will get the DADA job eventually, the fact that he has been applying for it for so long isn't just of coincidental nature, JKR never puts anything in there just for the hell of it, My guess is when Snape becomes DADA is when Harry really needs it :S hell personally I reckon Snape would be a great DADA, just look at what he knows, he is an awesome potion brewer, we know he can do practicaly all the dark arts....hell he was a death eater, and the fact he can use that Occlumency and legilmency or whatever proves he isn't a push over :/ i think he'd be a great DADA

^ I agree that Snape will become DADA teacher soon.

Another thing with lessons... how is it possible for Hermione to take 2 extra classes? Arithmancy and Acient Runes. She's always with Harry and Ron, cept in Divination, so how does she learn the 2nd one?

Originally posted by bekki791 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=389483#post389483))
I think he passed everything that he needed to pass to become an Auror...and here's why: For the prophecy to be true and for Harry to live, Harry is going to have to kill Voldemort. In the position of an Auror, Harry would have access to information on Voldemort, his whereabouts, and his followers. This would make it easier for Harry to get to and eventually kill Voldemort.
I think whether Harry actually will become an auror is a totally separate issue from the killing of Voldemort. Harry must deal with Voldemort while still a student at Hogwarts, because JKR MUST deal with that before the series closes! Whether or not he becomes an auror really is a post-Hogwarts issue.

I think he will get mediocre grades. But since the series is not going past 7, don't worry about him needing the grades to be an Aurorer.

Ooh, Snape a DADA teacher, that would be just awful for Harry, especially now! Actually, it would be awful for the both of them - for Harry because, well, it's Snape, but for Snape because Harry's actually good at DADA.

As for the original topic, I wouldn't be surprised if Harry did get extra lessons from.. someone. If it's supposed to come down to a battle between him and Lord Thingy, he's going to need that training. I wonder how many of the teachers know about the prophecy? I wonder if a teacher will ever head up the DA...

Would I be correct in assuming that there is 2 OWLs in every subject - one for theory, one for practical - except for History of Magic where I don't think there is a practical exam.

Harry's doing 9 subjects so there should be 17 OWLs available. I say this only because Percy got 12 OWLs or something, which is obviously impossible if you get only one for each of your 9 subjects.

Based on Daniel4hp's predictions which seem pretty sound to me at this stage he would get 12 OWLs.

It would be pretty odd if Harry got an O in Potions - can you imagine the look on Draco's face, especially after he caught him in his "remedial potions" class?

Although I wouldn't be surprised if he did fairly well. He did know how to answer the Polyjuice question... :)

The problem I see with Snape teaching DADA is that it's a proven fact that he can't teach Harry well.

Dumbledore may have given Harry to Snape for Occlumency lessons in part to see if Snape could teach Harry effectively outside of the public classroom setting (since that hasn't been going too well).

Also, it's possible that Snape has been foiled from getting DADA for so many years precisely because Dumbledore knew Harry would be a student at Hogwarts someday, and that there might be friction between them. Potions is an important class, but not as important to Harry's future as DADA. Since occlumency didn't go that well, I wouldn't be looking for Snape to teach DADA in book 6.

Harry definetly passed what he needed to pass. ....But on to a more pressing subject (to me)...Fred and George got THREE O.W.L.S. each?? Meaning, they basically passed two or three classes.....at least they're rolling in gold now, though.

Although I'm sure there is a possibility that Snape will eventually get the post, I don't think it will be in the 6th book. I think that if Snape does get it, we will first find out why he's applied for so long without ever suceeding. But there's something about the fact that after this long, Dumbledore still won't let Snape be the teacher, that makes me think there's something holding Snape back. Most likely something that will ALWAYS hold him back. And I doubt it has anything to do with Harry being taught by him.

-Cindy

Hmm... Snape has the knowledge to make him a great DADA teacher, but I don't think his prejudices will be overlooked by Dumbledore again. Since Dumbledore is now in league with the Ministry, the next DADA teacher either has to be someone very good, or someone acting as a very sneaky spy for Volders... Is this really off topic? I forget what the original topic was... bugger. :grumble:

I thought the reason Snape didn't get the DADA job could just be because Dumbledore thinks he's a really good potions teacher. I also think Harry will get an O in his OWL becasue tthere were easy questions for him, like polyjuice potion.

I've retitled this thread, because we're getting a bit off topic. I'll also send it off to the Predictions and Theories discussion corner. :)

To remain on the off topic subject, if Snape is a spy with Voldemort, wouldn't it be odd if he was teaching children, even Harry Potter, the ENEMY Defense AGAINST the Dark Arts, since it's against everything he is doing...I think Dumbledore will continually get someone new, in tradition, as the DADA teacher usually turns out to cause something to happen. ((In OotP, it was the Dementors chasing Harry and his almost expulsion)) among others.

What about the other fifth years?

And I'm mostly talking about Hermione, Ron and Neville

What about the other fifth years?
And I'm mostly talking about Hermione, Ron and Neville


That's true...what about the other fifth years...The one I'm pre-occupied about right now is Ron. From Harry's scanty description of how Ron did, he did not do well. Is it possible to lose your prefect badge? I would suppose it is, and from what we can narrow down, Ron has a chance of losing it. Of course, I don't think that he would mind that at all really, considering most of the time we saw him in a situation dealing with the badge, he was hiding behind something. Don't tell me if this is wishful thinking because it is, maybe Ron will lose the badge due to his OWLS score and Harry will get it instead. After all, harry could do with a little "up" in his life to say the least, and I think being a prefect (therefore being equal with Draco) would settle his disturbed mind a bit. (And I think Dumbledore feels a bit guilty for not giving it to him)

I think Harry passed all his classes, he seemed to be an above average student in potions but Snape usually was extra harsh when grading his work.

He definately scored with OOOOO's on DADA. Even the examiners were amazed. His other subjects went well, and probably good enough to move onto NEWTS.

However I see Harry doing some DADA teaching in his 7th year. Perhaps he'll stay at Hogwarts before this last year due to some attack on the Dursleys in his 6th. He'll get some lectures from Dumbledore or maybe someone from the order and teach DADA. Kinda sounds wierd but that whole D.A. thing must be a clue to Harry's ability as a teacher.

Auror sounds so natural but this teaching thing might be his final destination.

Originally posted by Picko (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=391258#post391258))
Would I be correct in assuming that there is 2 OWLs in every subject - one for theory, one for practical - except for History of Magic where I don't think there is a practical exam.

Harry's doing 9 subjects so there should be 17 OWLs available. I say this only because Percy got 12 OWLs or something, which is obviously impossible if you get only one for each of your 9 subjects.

Based on Daniel4hp's predictions which seem pretty sound to me at this stage he would get 12 OWLs.


I think your right. I mean, Hermione had to use the time tuner to take 12-13 subjects, and Percy didn't have one(I think) so I'm guessing your right with one for written, one for pratical

I do think thats with only one subject though. Some subjects it's impossible to have 2 owls. Yet that 5th year got 9 outstanding owls, and Harry's taken 9 owls...

Potions
Dada
Transfiguration
Charms
Care of Magical creatures
Herbology
History of Magic
Divination
Astronomy

Thats 9 OWLS. So i think it is 1 owl per subject. Yet if Hermione had stuck with the time turner...

Potions
Dada
Transfiguration
Charms
Care of Magical creatures
Herbology
History of Magic
Divination
Astronomy
Ancient Runes
Muggle Studies
Arithimation

12 OWLS. And whos saying Percy didn't have a time turner? I mean, he is VERY bright in intellegence, just not logic or sense of loyalty.

Anyway, back to Harry, I'm not entirely confident about Potions like most of you are, I can see a fight coming up about a NEWT in Potions.

Potions - A/E
Charms - E
Transfiguration - E
Dada - O (that was made quite clear!)
Herbology - A
History of magic - P
Care of magical creatures - E, possibly O, I got the feeling he'd done quite well
Astronomy - P (though I do think there will be lower boundries because there was a serious disturbence, even the examiner commented, so maybe something will be done there causing him to do better (and the class)
Divination - A/P - not that much commented, still he may pull it off!

EDIT: I wonder how many people take NEWT history of magic or Divination...

Sirius Black--- that little picture you have, that's not from Harry Potter. That's from Witchblade and the man with the sword is Ian Nottingham.

Sorry about the interruption. Continue, please.

I think the only OWL Harry really has to worry about is History of Magic. Even if he doesn't pass Potions, I think Snape will end up taking him on anyway, however reluctantly. And I think he did far better in Divination than he expected...how else is he going to see Firenze again?

I think that Harry will get enough OWLs to get into the NEWT classes--even given the fact that he can't possibly become an Auror while still in school, he has to get into the classes in order to keep the Snape-Harry storyline going; it's a major source of conflict and it's IMHO very important to the developing plot as well as shedding more light on the Lily-James "memory-line."

Too, I think for the plot he needs to remain close to McGonagall, which is easier if they're working at making it possible for Harry to become an Auror. McGonagall, IMHO, is only coming into her own as far as the plotline of the series goes.

Erm, this thread doesn't really have anything to do with Harry's O.W.L results and it is several days old... but I will repost this here, because the first two people's threads I posted it in got closed. ;)

Okay, the requirements to take the NEWT courses necessary to be an Auror were stated as or implied as by McGonagall to be the following:

Charms : E
Transfiguration : E
Defense Against the Dark Arts: E
Potions: O

All in all, if I wanted to predict his OWL results, I'd predict several fails. Let's see...

Charms - E, Exceeds Expectations (he enlarged his rat instead of changings its color on accident, but otherwise did well)
Defense Against Dark Arts - O, Outstanding (his best subject)
Care of Magical Creatures - O, Outstanding (he did everything right)
Divination - Fail (he couldn't do anything)
Astronomy - Fail (he didn't finish the second half of the exam, too busy watching Hagrid)
History of Magic - Fail (or even "Troll" as he didn't even get a full question answered before he left the exam)
Transfiguration - Never took any OWL in this subject

and the kicker...
Potions - A, Acceptable (the book says, "Harry corked his sample flask feeling that he might not have achieved a good grade but that he had, with luck, avoided a fail," for the practical and, "Sure enough, he found the written exam difficult, though he thought he might have got full marks on the question about Polyjuice Potion," for the written.

Now, he certainly met the DADA requirement, and probably met the Charms requirement. Transfiguration McGonagall specifically told him he needed to improve on, that he was averaging only a "Acceptable" and she required "Exceeds Expectations." But I could see him managing an E for that class... if only the OWL for that test ever happened (I just checked the OWLS chapter again, and can't see any mention of it).

But Potions, as I said, is the big problem. McGonagall says Snape requires an O to enter his NEWT level courses, and we know for certain although he did better than usually, he didn't do that good. Therefore,
a) Harry cannot be an auror
b) Someone must force Snape to allow Harry into his NEWT Potions classes
c) Somehow Harry did get an O, although I don't see how
d) My favorite: Snape finally becomes DADA professor, and the new Potions teacher does not require an O for the NEWT courses. Snape will start as a good DADA teacher, but then go overboard and become involved in the Dark Arts like he used to be, and as Dumbledore had always feared.

The funny thing is Harry didn't seem to realize when he finished his Potions exam that, though he was happy that he may have passed, he had also eliminated any regular chance of becoming an Auror.

What happens if you fail all your OWLS? I mean, Goyle is supposed to be really stupid, and since Snape doesn't mark the potions he can't be biased towards his own house members. I suppose he'd have to take the year again.

The potions is a funny one. I doubt he will get a O, which means that he can't be an auror... assuming he lives that long of course. Dumbledore might give him private training to be an auror. He's always done things his own way, I don't think he would be terribly concerned if Harry didn't meet the Ministry guidelines.

yeah...i think they re-take the year....

i think mcgonagall might train harry rather than dumbledore.....i dunno....dumbledore always has more important things to do it seems to me....like he gets snape to teach harry and stuf...

Okay, my sister figured this out...I think she said like 8 OWLS.

O-DADA, Potions, Herbology, Care of magical Creatures
EE-Transfiguration, Charms, Astronomy(providing they grade on a curve)
A-History of Magic

Divination was a wash, but Harry may take a lot of pride in that.

Harry needs five NEWTs to become an Auror and they all need to be at least an E. Also, it has been stated that he will need at least an O in Potions in order to take the NEWT class in potions. I expect that most of the NEWT classes require at least an E. So here's my prediction:

Care of Magical Creatures - O
Charms - E
Defense Against the Dark Arts - O
Herbology - E*
Potions - O
Transfiguration - E

Astronomy - A (he didn't do that badly, he just got a little distracted at the end)
Divination - D/T
History of Magic - D/T

Strictly speaking, Herbology wasn't necessary for him to get a NEWT in, but it leaves him in one of Neville's better classes. However, Rowling might decide it unnecessary and leave it out. In general, Astronomy and History of Magic were really just "filler" classes in terms of plot narrative, and Divination was mostly comic relief. The stuff where Rowling introduces creatures, plants and interesting magic is in the six classes that I listed Harry passing.

Harry took his transfiguration exam. Remember, he managed to vanish his iguana.

I have a feeling he'll somehow get an "O" in potions, just so he'll be able to take the NEWT class. It might be that he did better than he thought he did, or that he'd finally be graded fairly. With Snape, he never was graded fairly, so he'd never know if he would have done wonderfully with a different professor.

Flint had to do a second year, according to JK. That's why he was still there in 6 when he should have graduated. Slytherin Quidditch captains evidently don't have to be intelligent.

i think Harry wont get the highest grades he needs in potions but with his career choice and Dumbledore's feelings for him i believe, Snape will be forced to let Harry carry on in his class, and then he will excel at potions

I just don't see him getting an O in potions. But I do think he will get into the NEWT class.

I have a feeling McGonagall is going to force Snape to let him in. He may actually have to take Remedial Potions in order for this to happen though.

Just hope Snape keeps the Penesive out of the way, though he did say he never wanted to see Harry in his office again!

I am SO certain I posted in this...

Anyway. What I thought I said, was that DADA, Transfiguration and Care, he would get O
Potions, Astrology - A
Divination - P

Everything else an E.

I believe it will be hard, but in the end Harry will become an Auror. (If he survives)

I know this possible should be on another thread but shouldn't the results be given out during the end of term like Fred and George got them in book 3?

Yes I wondered about that too. It seemed odd that JK hadn't thought about that. Fred and George get theirs in the end of POA. But Harry and co. have to wait for the beginning of book 6. That's the sort of thing, I would've expected JK to have thought about.

I imagine all the action at the end of OOP may have delayed the test results as the whole Ministry would now be in an uproar, so they'll come in the summer. I think Harry will do very well, all in all.

I thought Fred and George got their results in the fourth book? I think Harry did well. I always pictured him as a person who underestimates his ability. I am not going to attempt to count them; I'm still confused on how to count them.

No, I don't think we found out they did badly in OWLs until the start of book four, during the Quidditch World Cup.

personally, I think harry was unfocused the whole time during the O.W.L.S but you know he'll get top marks anyway... no offense to anyone but.... I wish Harry would fall off the horse a little bit... I want him to be an auror ...or dada teacher but....I'm kinda tired of him always being great at a lot of things I know he has some flaws ... but not where it really counts....everything always happens to him... I suppose thats why the book is called Harry Potter and not something else...;)

Ummm... I was thinking, what if he doesn't do so hot on his OWLs, particularily on his potions one. that wouldn't neccessarily mean that he is out of the running to become an auror. McGonogal is very insistent to help Harry if he really desires to be an auror. So what if he doesn't make the NEWT potions class with Snape. McGonogal could use her abilities to tutor Harry to get a good score on his potions NEWT. He would probally learn more of potions that way, Harry did do much better in potions after Snape decided to ignore Harry afterall, ok... Well untill his bottle "accidentally" dropped.

Fred and George got theirs at the end of 3, right around the last couple of pages.

"Fred and George scraped a handful of O.W.L.s each, and---" is how it goes. It was in a sort of epilogue couple of paragraphs, like when the school is packing up for summer and ready to go home.

I bet Snape will grade him fairly, and Dumbledore, McGonagall, Tonks, and Lupin will all probaly help him if he can become a Auror.

I don't think that Snape will ever become a DADA teacher. I keep referring to it in my posts, but in the Royal Albert Hall interview, Rowling *sort of*answered a question on why Dumbledore wouldnt allow Snape to be the DADA teacher, and the reason she gave was that it would bring out the worst in Snape. And of course don't forget what happened in PoA.
Anyway, this is what I think he got for his O.W.L.'s

Defence Against the Dark Arts: O
Transfiguration: E
Charms: E/O
Potions: A/E
Care of Magical Creatures: E
History of Magic: D
Divination: D
Astronomy: A

But my question is: Do you get graded on the theory and practical together or are they considered separate?
The reason I ask this question is because Percy got 12 O.W.L.'s, as did Crouch Jr.

Yes you are graded separately for Practical and Theory therefore his grades would look like this. P/T

Defence Against the Dark Arts: O/O
Transfiguration: E/A
Charms: E/O
Potions: A/A
Care of Magical Creatures: E/none No theory for Care of Magical Creatures
History of Magic: none/D No Practical for History of Magic
Divination: D/A
Astronomy: P/A (Harry only get's a pass because of the disruption all students given a pass)

I'm guessing a grade of at least E is needed to get an OWL grades of P and A get 1/2 OWL lower gets no OWL with 14 OWL's being top marks

By this assesment Harry get's 10 OWL's

I don't really understand the system with the OWLs, when you get them or not, so I'm not going to try to do a big prediction of what he got in what.

i just think that he'll either get really sucky OWLs - like 4 or something, or really good, like 10 or 11 (or 12). He probably won't get left around in the middle, Harry never has in anything, he's always been the best or the worst (except for not being named a prefect).

Is it possible the OWLs are divided into written and practical sections?

Originally posted by Rowena Ravenclaw (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=416809#post416809))
Is it possible the OWLs are divided into written and practical sections?


Well, yes -- if they weren't, how could Percy have possibly received 12 OWLS?

Alright, my predictions:

Theory/Practical

Defence Against the Dark Arts: O/O
Transfiguration: E/E
Charms: E/O
Potions: A/E
Care of Magical Creatures: E/O
History of Magic: D
Divination: D/D
Astronomy: A/A (D?)

That would mean 12 out of 15 OWLs. Not too shabby. :)

Harry
Defense Against the Dark Arts -O
Potions -----------------------E
Transfiguration ----------------E
History of Magic----------------P
Charms -----------------------O
Astronomy --------------------P
Herbology ---------------------A
Divination---------------------P
Care of Magical Creatures------O

Hermionie
Defense Against the Dark Arts -O
Potions -----------------------E
Transfiguration ----------------O
History of Magic----------------O
Charms -----------------------O
Astronomy --------------------E
Herbology --------------------O
Arithmancy -------------------O
Care of Magical Creatures------O
Ancient Runes ----------------E

From the OWLs, we can see that Percy, Bill, Crouch Jr and Tom are really smart. They are able to do 12 OWLs without fail. Even dear old Hermione had only 10 OWLs and she already cannot cope with it. Those 4 boys must be really smart. Mrs Weasley would have to be proud.

Anyway, here are my predictions:

Harry
Defense Against the Dark Arts -O
Potions -----------------------A
Transfiguration ----------------E
History of Magic----------------D
Charms -----------------------E
Astronomy --------------------D
Herbology ---------------------A
Divination---------------------E
Care of Magical Creatures------E

Hermionie
Defense Against the Dark Arts -O
Potions -----------------------O
Transfiguration ----------------O
History of Magic----------------O
Charms -----------------------O
Astronomy --------------------O
Herbology --------------------O
Arithmancy -------------------O
Care of Magical Creatures------O
Ancient Runes ----------------O

Ron
Defense Against the Dark Arts -A
Potions -----------------------P
Transfiguration ----------------E
History of Magic----------------T
Charms -----------------------E
Astronomy --------------------D
Herbology ---------------------A
Divination---------------------E
Care of Magical Creatures------E

Seems like you can get one OWL per subject and that is what makes the accomplishment of Percy, Tom Riddle and the like so impressive seeing as they got an OWL in every subject (though I cannot see Tom Riddle doing Muggle Studies). From Herminoes experience in PoA and the OWL testing schedule, twelve suubjects in ten daysm it seem likely that they had to use Time-Turners to accomplish 12 OWLs. There just is not enough time in the day to take that many classes, do that much homework, or sit the Divination and Arithmancy OWLs at the same time.

The theory that there are two OWLs for each subject does not seem to work. That would mean there is a possilbe twenty-four OWLs, Hermione being eligible for twenty, and the twelve earned by Percy and Co not being that impressive a total. As I see it, it takes skill to go for ten, but skill and magic to handle more than that.

I thought if you get an O, E or A you get the O.W.L. Because A is the last passing grade.....

Until we get a better explanation of O.W.L.s, I'm going with those who think the practicals and theories are marked separately, but you only get the full "pass" if you pass both parts of the exams that have both theory and practical. That's got to be the only way these students are coming up with 12 O.W.L.s; otherwise, the whole time-turner thing wouldn't be that uncommon, would it? You'd think SOMEONE would have let the secret slip before now. Besides, the thought of Tom Riddle with a time-turner does NOT make me happy. I say that because I only count 12 classes that have been mentioned in the books for the 1st - 5th years, so the only way to get 12 O.W.L.s, if there is only one O.W.L. per subject, is to use a time-turner.

I don't think there's a practical for History of Magic, and possibly not for Muggle Studies (would they need a Muggle to practice on? what would they do to him/her? they can't do something like operate a radio or telephone/fellytone, because those things don't work at Hogwarts).

Anyway, although I think Harry did better than he expected on his Potions O.W.L., I don't think he got an O (probably an E). Given that, I think that either Snape will be forced to take him into Potions anyway (MORE resentment there), or that Snape will be the new DADA teacher and someone else will be teaching Potions next year.

I also think DD will be taking a more active role in Harry's education. He sort of implied that during his explanation to Harry at the end of the book. He knows it was a mistake to ask Snape to teach Harry occlumency, so I think DD will take that over. I also think DD will be giving Harry extra DADA lessons. Let's face it: there just aren't many wizards who would be capable of teaching Harry to duel with LV, which is something we know he must learn. Even if Snape got the DADA job and sincerely did his best for Harry, I think that task is beyond his abilities.

I also think McGonagall will be helping him. Maybe Flitwick, too; didn't Hermione say in CoS that Flitwick was a dueling champion?

As for the others, I think Hermione passed everything (duh!) and Ron did about as well as Harry on the pass/fail ratio, though it may vary by subject.

My guesses:

Harry
Defense Against the Dark Arts -O
Potions -----------------------E
Transfiguration ----------------O
History of Magic----------------P
Charms -----------------------E
Astronomy --------------------D
Herbology ---------------------A
Divination---------------------P
Care of Magical Creatures------O

Hermionie
Defense Against the Dark Arts -O
Potions -----------------------E
Transfiguration ----------------O
History of Magic----------------E
Charms -----------------------O
Astronomy --------------------O
Herbology --------------------O
Arithmancy -------------------O
Care of Magical Creatures------O
Ancient Runes ----------------O

Ron
Defense Against the Dark Arts -E
Potions -----------------------A
Transfiguration ----------------A
History of Magic----------------D
Charms -----------------------E
Astronomy --------------------D
Herbology ---------------------A
Divination---------------------D
Care of Magical Creatures------E

I think that there should be a prediction challenge for their grades like with book 5.

And I am still confused is T a real grade??????

This is really worrying me. I understand the grading system for exams in a fictional school better than I understand the grading for GCSEs, which I take next year! :D

What subjects will Harry take for NEWT?
He needs 5 NEWTs to become an Auror. He will take DADA, Charms, Transfiguration, Potions (assuming he does well enough in the OWL) and one more. Care of Magical Creatures? That doesn't sound to relevant to DADA, I know, but think how useful it was knowing about Hippogriffs in PoA, or Thestrals in OotP. If he doesn't do well enough in Potions to move up to the NEWT class then perhaps he'll take Herbology instead? One thing's certain, he's going to ditch Divination.

Hey GCSE gradings are easy! If you want me to explain them (I've taken them this year) just PM me.

It makes sense if T is a real grade because you could link it to A,B,C,D,E,F like the normal system in reality (except GCSE A*).

I was thinking that in the book theory of CMC was never mentioned the same as divination and History in practical so there are only 15 OWL's

Theory/Practical

Defense Against the Dark Arts -O/O (+1)
Potions -----------------------O/O (Dumbledore has something to do with this)
Transfiguration ----------------E/E
History of Magic----------------P
Charms -----------------------O/E
Astronomy --------------------A/P
Herbology ---------------------E/E
Divination---------------------T
Care of Magical Creatures------E

Total: 12 OWL's

Just to mention this, in CoS when Ron is polishing the trophies, he sees the award for Tom Riddle and jokes that maybe he got 30 O.W.L.s. This leads me to believe that that is around the most you can get, so I would assume that you can get more than one OWL for each class.

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I also think Harry may not have quite enough Owls for an Auror.. (History of Magic, Astronomy, Divinity low scores to non passing- the History of Magic one, he pretty much bombed completely, even though he knew it.. he was getting mentally messed with. Astronomy.... we'll see.
Scraping by in potions.. It did say He and Neville were much more relaxed... but don't know if it would be enough for Newt...

Actually, I'm guessing Ron will get more Owls than Harry perhaps or the same.

Should be interesting.. :smile:

Hey, if Harry doesn't have enough OWL's to become an auror, or didn't do well enough in potions, he will still have quidditch... I think he would much rather play quidditch than risk death hunting DE's down.

I think that Harry do well enough to continue but i think that in his becoming an Auror, that is rather insognificant. The magical community is well aware of Harrys remarkable accomplishments and he probably has more experiencing dueling with evil wizards than almost anyone, rivalring DUmbledore.

The great thing about Harry is that apart from History of Magic and Divination, he is in all rounder, and thus has many options to fall back on if he doesn't great the grades he wants. He could be academic and go into teaching, practical and fight the dark arts, or sporty and play quidditch. Lucky boy...

OWLS Hmmm....
An excellent score is 12, we know from previous books. Hermione has to do better, say 14??? Harry is a least 10, Ron 8 or less- again emphasizing that Harry should have been prefect.
It seems from OotP that Harry did much better than he expected, especially under pressure and he had to have gotten the highest possilbe score in DADA (bonus points) I give him a 12! Ajja
PS Don't even ask me how the scoring work. Aren't OWLs like some British test? Is the scoring similar???

I really would feel blechy about Harry getting an O in potions for any other reason than actually doing it properly. It's just so... Wrong. Going by the Theory/Practical system, with some classes not having one or the other...

Defense Against the Dark Arts - O/O
Potions - A/E
Transfiguration - E/E
History of Magic - P
Charms - E/E
Astronomy - A/P
Herbology - A/E
Divination- D
Care of Magical Creatures - A

As for the 30 OWL line, I feel that it's just an exaggeration by Ron. While some students are exceptional at 12 OWLs, anything higher than that is seems rare. That being said, I really feel kinda iffy about grading Harry even as high as I have... It's very possible that Harry may infact not qualify for an Auror at all.

I'm surprised nobody's worried about the nasty smile Umbridge had on her face after Harry finished his DADA OWL. This bothered me a bit. I know DD fixed everything at the school by the end of the book, but does he have any say in revoking ministry OWL grades? Authority seems to be the thing Fudge is struggling with.

Originally posted by McKinnon02 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=466042#post466042))
I'm surprised nobody's worried about the nasty smile Umbridge had on her face after Harry finished his DADA OWL. This bothered me a bit. I know DD fixed everything at the school by the end of the book, but does he have any say in revoking ministry OWL grades? Authority seems to be the thing Fudge is struggling with.


I don't think it will be an issue. The O.W.L. examiners didn't seem to be in Fudge's pocket like Umbridge was. In fact, I think Professor Marchbanks is the same witch who resigned from the Wizengamot (or some other group) in protest over the way DD was kicked out of everything.

Besides, I think DD set Fudge straight in the MoM after the duel with Voldemort. Fudge isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I think even HE got the message that DD has put up with about all the interference he's going to. I think the examiners will grade Harry fairly.

I also think it's reasonable that Harry actually did very well in Potions (not sure about an O, though). I had a similar situation when I went from high school to college. My high school science teacher never gave me above a C in anything until the very last term of my Junior year (I think that's 6th Form in the British system). She retired at the end of that year, so I couldn't get stuck with her again! She kept me out of certain organiztions, like Beta Club and National Honors Society, that are based on your grades/marks in classes because I never did well enough (I wasn't the only one she did this to, though, so it wasn't anything "personal").

When I got to university, I had to take Biology. That school had a very good science department, and I was extremely shocked to find out that I was near the top of the class. There turned out to be very little I hadn't already done in my high school science class - the college professor even commented on it. I was also able to CLIP (pass the test and get credit for) the Physical Science course and without actualy taking the class or studying, again because of the high school classwork. I just think it's *possible* that Harry has learned more than he realizes, and he'll get good marks from someone who grades him fairly on what he actually knows and can do. Y

It is possible to have a horrible personality and no concept of grading on merit, and yet still be a good teacher! Almost 20 years down the road, and I can still answer one of her favorite bonus questions: How do you determine the date of Easter? :D

Originally posted by Siriusly_Addicted (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=466265#post466265))
I don't think it will be an issue. The O.W.L. examiners didn't seem to be in Fudge's pocket like Umbridge was. In fact, I think Professor Marchbanks is the same witch who resigned from the Wizengamot (or some other group) in protest over the way DD was kicked out of everything.



Yes she is the same and she is also a friend of Neville's grandmother.

I believe I read somewhere that the Brits have a similar system of O-level exams (the OWLs are an obvious spoof, apparently). So, how did Ickle-Duddykins do, Hmmmm! He should be getting his results at about the same time Harry gets his, shouldn't he? I wonder how that will affect the dynamic in the house?

I can also see Harry announcing excitedly (probably to no one in particular, just aloud): "Twelve OWLs - I got 12 OWLs", to which Vernon replies "NO MORE EFFING OWLS."

I won't try to get the exact grades or anything, but i believe Harry will do better than he expected and have the required O.W.L.'s to do the subjects required to become an Auror. Hermione will of course get all Outstandings, i'm not sure about Ron at all. I got the impression he did well but not as well as Harry. I believe he'll have the O.W.L.'s he needs to do the subjects he wants though.

Originally posted by Dedalus Diggle (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=466691#post466691))
I believe I read somewhere that the Brits have a similar system of O-level exams (the OWLs are an obvious spoof, apparently). So, how did Ickle-Duddykins do, Hmmmm! He should be getting his results at about the same time Harry gets his, shouldn't he? I wonder how that will affect the dynamic in the house?

I can also see Harry announcing excitedly (probably to no one in particular, just aloud): "Twelve OWLs - I got 12 OWLs", to which Vernon replies "NO MORE EFFING OWLS."




My English friend says they're called A-Level Exams. And I can so see Harry and Uncle Vernon having that exchange :p

I don't think Harry will get twelve OWLs. I think Hermione definitely will though. The only OWL I'm even sure Harry did well on was DADA. He'll probably get an O for DADA, mostly As, perhaps a couple Es, and most likely a P or D in Astronomy. I think Ron will do even worse.

I used to be under a British educational system and I can say that both O' levels and A-levels exist. A levels are taken around the time you go to college and O-levels in your sophomore year. It fits perfectly. OWLS = O levels. NEWTS = A Levels.

Originally posted by Sirius83 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=466713#post466713))
I won't try to get the exact grades or anything, but i believe Harry will do better than he expected and have the required O.W.L.'s to do the subjects required to become an Auror. Hermione will of course get all Outstandings, i'm not sure about Ron at all. I got the impression he did well but not as well as Harry. I believe he'll have the O.W.L.'s he needs to do the subjects he wants though.


I agree. Harry is alot more intelligent, powerful and capable that people realize, well even more than he realizes.

Interesting, in my school system the tests arent nearly that simple. We have many categories of tests. Guess our school's not like Harrys

Originally posted by HogwartsChaplain (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=391284#post391284))
The problem I see with Snape teaching DADA is that it's a proven fact that he can't teach Harry well.



Are u saying that Umbridge did?

And a P or D in divination. :) I wonder if there actually is a T? :lol:

Ah. O and A levels are like PSAT's and SAT's over here in America. You take the PSAT's in your Sophomore or Junior year, and SAT's come Senior year. There are other tests that can be taken as well, such as the ACT's. :)

Yeah, the OWLS and NEWTS do fit in with the English A and O levels - the qualifications that JK herself sat at school. It's interesting that she decided to reflect the type of exams (English) that she sat herself, rather than the exam syllabus' she taught as a teacher (Scottish).

Originally posted by MagiCils (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=468495#post468495))
Yeah, the OWLS and NEWTS do fit in with the English A and O levels - the qualifications that JK herself sat at school. It's interesting that she decided to reflect the type of exams (English) that she sat herself, rather than the exam syllabus' she taught as a teacher (Scottish).


I don't suppose you could clarify the difference for the rest of us not up on the nuances?

OK! Briefly, in place of sixth year English A levels, Scottish students take Highers. In place of fourth year English GCSE/O levels, Scottish students take Standard Grade exams.

O levels/GCSEs and Standard Grades are vaguely similar. Most students take approx. 8 subjects. Standard grades are awarded numerically, from 1 - 7, where 1 is the top grade. GCSEs are graded by letter - A - F I think, with A being the top grade. Not sure how O levels were graded, they were before my time!

But while a typical English A level student might take 3 subjects over 2 years of study, a Scottish Highers student would probably take 6 subjects, 3 in first year, 3 in second. There are graded A-D, where A is the top grade.

Alternatively, a Scottish student might take 3 or 4 subjects at Higher in fifth year, and then spend their final (sixth)year doing CSYS (certificate of 6th year studies), which is advanced study in a subject previously studied and passed at Higher level, the year before.

I think that's roughly it. Feel free to correct me, anyone, though - I did GCSEs and A levels!

Actually the highest mark in an O level - now named GCSE, is an A* not an A. You can also get a U, which is ungraded lol.

Then there's the new AS exams, which is half an A level, but I wont go into that!

I guess PSAT and SAT exams are as close as you're going to get for US comparison. However, you don't have to take either exam if you aren't planning on college. Also, PSAT's don't have to be taken at all. They also don't determine your future study. You don't focus on subjects you did well on in PSAT in your last year of High School.

I agree with whoever said 15 OWL's possible. That has been bugging me. One for each subject left Hermoine with only eleven. That would not be right! If Barty Crouch, jr. and Percy got 12 seems to me Hermoine should get more!

Dumbledore did say Tom Riddle was one of the brightest students ever at Hogwarts (in CoS, talking about the diary). We may find out that Hermoine is the first person to get so many OWL's since Riddle.

Actually, PSAT and SATs are very unlike O levels and A levels, I know because I used to study for O levels in my old school before changing schools. I already did the SATs twice now.

O and A levels are much more intense and require much preparation, you take like the whole of 2 years studying for them. And they are much closer to the teaching syllabus unlike the SATs. A better comparison would be a huge end of year finals.

I tend to view AP examinations as the closest thing we Americans have to A levels.

Good point, Mutant for Hire!. Yes, it would be APs, except that its compulsory.

Alright, looking back a while where people were showing their predictions as to what Harry got in the exams.....I see that a lot of people put a "D" (dreadful) for Divination. So naturally we can accept he won't be doing that anymore right? Well.....

pg. 237 OoTP

.....Dream interpretation is a most important means of divining the future and one that may very probably be tested in your O.W.L. Not, of course, that I believe examination passes or failures are of the remotest importance when it comes to the sacred art of divination. If you have the Seeing Eye, certificates and grades matter very little. However, the headmaster likes you to sit the examination, so....

As of now I'm thinking that Harry will have to push his way through that "miserable old bat" at least one more year :)

lol I don't think Harry would do that again even if he some how got an 'O'.

I think if Harry continues Divination, I think it will be with Firenze, and not Trelawney. He may be able to teach Harry to "see" where other students can't. But Harry might have the option not to take a NEWT class in Divination, I can see him doing this because of the training he needs before Auror training.

About the apparation thing...he should be able to take the test when he turns 17 shouldnt he? And doesnt Harry turn 17 in the next book on July 31st, i am pretty sure he does!!! He should also be able to use magic whenever he pleases when he turns 17, right? I am pretty sure that is the age...

He won't turn 17 until book 7.

I don't see why Harry would still want to be an auror? I mean he would have to take two more years of potions with Snape and after he defeats Voldemort (which is the only way he will be able to live and become an auror) what more satisfaction do you need. Besides he already is an excellent dada teacher and cleary enjoyed it. Plus Hogwarts needs a good sturdy DADA teacher. Also aurors have to go through even more school type training, which I kind of think will be beneath Harry after he defeats the the dark lord.

Sorry that was all a little off subject.

I think Harry will be willing to suffer two more years of Snape to become an auror, but I don't know if Snape will take Harry into his NEWT class. Somehow I doubt that Harry got an O in his potions OWL, and since Snape doesn't like HArry already, I don't think he will make any special exceptions for him.
Also, speaking of tests, since Fred and George only got 3 OWLs, did they only take 3 classes in 6th and 7th year. I don't think any teacher would have taken them into a NEWT class if they didn't pass their OWLs.

u know i'm not really sure how many classes ron and george took. does it even mention it in the book? i don't think so. anyways, i think harry didn't get an o in potions. but i think that dumbledore is goin to make snape take harry kaus he knows what is able to acchive.

i can see harry as a auror. but it's not likely. i think it would be kool if harry became the DaDa teacher. he would be a good one too. i mean look at wat he has already done with that group they had (dumbledores army) and he hasn't learned everything there is to know. well i just think he would be a GREAT DaDa teacher.

I'm a bit confused

O- outstanding
E- excellent
A- acceptable?
P- ???
D- ???
T- troll!?! is that even a real grade...??

help...

P=Poor
D=Dreadful

'T' I think is a joke by Fred or George, as even Hermione didn't know it.

Here are my predictions for Harry, based on the fact that he underestimates himself.
1)DADA~ An O of course. because he rocks. nuff said. passed both parts of the exam with flying colors.
2) Transfiguration~ an E, he put in the work and he wanted to qualify.
3) Care of Magical Creatures~ atleast an E, possibly an O. He wants to prove Hagrid is a good enough teacher, and even Grubbly-Plank admitted they were well prepared.
4) Herbology~ E
5) Potions~ E. i think he probably managed it. he really wants to be an auror, and i thikn anyone would suck at a class where snape bullied you that much
6) Charms~ E. He's good. He put in the work again, and he knows his stuff.
7) History of Magic~ D most likely. He didn't really get a chance to finish it. but he doesn't need it anyway.
8)Divination: D. Trelawney didn't prepare them. it's possible he got an A, we shall see. doesn't matter, aurors don't need this.
9) Astronomy~ he didn't finish the practical part so I say atleast an A. But he doesn't need this either

Anything else? I think he did a lot better on the ones he NEEDED than he thought. He is very bright. And i agree that he probably did better than Ron. But Hermione.....that's different. Dunno.

whoops, i meant P's for HoM and Divination. My bad.

I agree, except Ds for Divnation and HoM, and D definitely for Astronomy. Probably even A for Herbology and Care of Magical Creatures.

Anyone want to predict what Dudley's O-levels are going to be? :)

Sure. Failed or Ungraded for all of them. If he took any at all. Or maybe, he got 'exceeds expectations' just for turning up.

Well, I can't imagine JKR leaving Snape out of Harry's classes...I have a feeling he's going to take Potions next year although I doubt he got an Outstanding. Harry himself thought that he might not have gotten a good grade, but had avoided a fail. But it's possible he was just overreacting because of nerves or something.

If he did fail Potions (not make NEWT Level), JK would make Snape the DADA teacher and the feud would go on...

We discussed this in the 6th year DADA teacher thread, some believe that Snape would teach DADA and another teacher would let Harry take Potions without an 'O'

Well, I can't imagine JKR leaving Snape out of Harry's classes...I have a feeling he's going to take Potions next year although I doubt he got an Outstanding. Harry himself thought that he might not have gotten a good grade, but had avoided a fail. But it's possible he was just overreacting because of nerves or something.

Yeh I mean Snape has to have a role to play with Harry in the next books, I mean, he has to have regular encounters with him and unless Harry continues with Occlumency, (which I doubt - I think Dumbledore will take over), I think Harry will pass his potions OWL

Veritaserum

I think Harry will get an "E" in his OWLs for potions.
McGonagall and Dumbledore will force Snape to take him on for NEWT potions anyway...After all, where would we get all our juicy gossip on Snape if Harry didnt have any more potion lessons?

Poor Harry - two more years of Potions...
Porr Snape - two more years of Harry!

Would I be correct in assuming that there is 2 OWLs in every subject - one for theory, one for practical - except for History of Magic where I don't think there is a practical exam.

Harry's doing 9 subjects so there should be 17 OWLs available. I say this only because Percy got 12 OWLs or something, which is obviously impossible if you get only one for each of your 9 subjects.

Based on Daniel4hp's predictions which seem pretty sound to me at this stage he would get 12 OWLs.

yeah, that makes sense. how could a person get 12 owls if he only took 9 subjects? but then again, i always assumed that 12 owls was the highest a person could get. Since Percy is really smart and ambitious and head boy, wouldn't he have gotten an owl for every subject he took? i've never read anywhere of a person getting more than 12 owls.

This is my prediction for Harry's OWL results (If there are two marks, the first one is the most likely one of the two):

Charms: O/E
Transfiguration: E/O
Herbology: E/O
DADA: O
Potions: E***
CoMC: O/E
Astrology: A
Divination: A/P
History of Magic: P/A

*** Snape says that he will not let anyone do Potions NEWTs unless they have achieved Outstanding in their OWLs. But I believe that McGonagall will force Snape to take Harry on for Potions, even if he doesnt get an "O". Poor Harry - another two years of Potions...Poor Snape - another two years of Harry!

Rons results will be similar, but slightly lower in some subjects (Divination at least).
Hermione will get ten "Outstanding"s in her OWLs.

Hey, does anyone here live in New York? In high school here, we have tests called the regents which remind me of the O.W.Ls. They are extremely stresfull, and very annoying. OOTP came out right after I finished my last regent, and it was really amusing reading about the O.W.Ls, it reminded me a lot of what my class had to go through. Anyway, heres my predictions for the O.W.Ls.

Harry
Charms-E
Transfiguration-E
Herbology-O
DADA-O
COMC-O
Divinitation-D
HOM-D
Potions-E
Astrology-A

Ron
Charms-E
DADA-E
Transfiguration-A
Herbology-E
Potions-A
COMC-E
Divinitation-P
Astrology-A
HOM-A

and Hermione gets Os in everything, except for potions which she gets an E.

Can I just add....the exams Dudley took wouldn't have been O levels, they went out in the late 80's I think. Dudley would have taken GCSE's. "General certificate of secondary education".

what about shakelbolt as dadat? no he wouldnt have aenough time would he since hes an auror hmmm...

what about shakelbolt as dadat? no he wouldnt have aenough time would he since hes an auror hmmm...

I wish! I really liked Shakelblot, but he deffinitly will be too busy with the order and everything. But I hope to see more of him, he seems like a great guy :)

Shacklebolt would be an excellent DADA teacher. He's more than capable of handling himself in a fight (he took on two D.E.'s at once in the D.O.M. and then stepped up to fight Bellatrix), he's trusted by both the ministry and DD (they need someone they can both trust teaching at Hogwarts), and he needs something to do now that Sirius is dead. The death eaters probably confirmed that Sirius was dead (and everything else DD told Fudge) under the influence of Veritaserum after the fight was over. I wouldn't be surprised if the ministry assigned him specifically to the job, Fudge seems to trust him quite a bit. However, JKR has no reason to break from her tradition of bringing in a new DADA teacher, so it probably won't be him.

my predictions:

Charms: E
Transfiguration: E
DADA: O
Potions: A
Care of Magical Creatures: E
Herbology: E
Divination: D
Astronomy: P
History of Magic: D

Harry:
Charms-O
Transfiguration-E
Herbology-O
DADA-O
COMC-O
Divinitation-D
HOM-D
Potions-E
Astrology-E

Of course Hermione will get all O's and Ron will probably get a little lower then Harry in most if not all of his O.W.L.s. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what really happens.

I don't know the exact grades that he is going to get but I am pretty sure that he will be able to continue on the track to being an auror, possibly even if he doesn't get the grades, Dumbledore could pull some strings or something (for example, private lessons to get his grades up).

I find it interesting that people assume that Ron's scores will be lower than Harry's. On what basis in the text do you assume that Ron's grades will be lower? Harry himself admits that he doesn't get better grades than Ron, so there's no reason for Harry to have been favored for prefect in terms of marks.

Ron comes from a family of very talented students. Bill and Percy were Head Boys. Fred and George were inventive geniuses. Remember that Ron was the one who beat one of the two intellectual challenges on the path to the Philosopher's Stone. It is unlikely that Harry or Hermione could have beaten the Wizard's Chess challenge, given that Dumbledore gave Ron points for playing one of the finest games of Wizard's Chess in Hogwarts in years. And he did it in his first year.

Harry will definitely get a higher score in Defense Against the Dark Arts. He's the best in his class. It is not clear that Harry will necessarily score any better and technically, Ron might actually get more O.W.L.s than Harry did. I doubt that Harry passed History of Magic, but I don't see that Ron would necessarily have flunked. And Ron probably did more of his Astronomy practical than Harry did.

Harry
Charms: O
Transfiguration: E
DADA: O
Potions: O
Care of Magical Creatures: E
Herbology: E
Divination: D
Astronomy: P
History of Magic: D

I think there will be a surprise and Harry will get quite good on his Potions.

Ron
Charms: A
Transfiguration: A
DADA: O
Potions: A
Care of Magical Creatures: O
Herbology: E
Divination: O
Astronomy: A
History of Magic: P

I think that Ron will also be outstanding in Divination, much to everyone's surprise

Hermione
Charms: O
Transfiguration: O
DADA: O
Potions: E
Care of Magical Creatures: E
Herbology: O
Astronomy: O
History of Magic: O
Ancient Runes: O
Arithmancy: A

Snape will be the DADA teacher and they will find another Potions teacher that will accept Harry without an O and his OWLS

Snape will be the DADA teacher and they will find another Potions teacher that will accept Harry without an O and his OWLS

He has to get it sooner or later.

My take: The MOM will give Harry all O's in a futile effort to make up to the @#$% they gave him for a whole year; his grades will be inflated so he gets all O's. Harry will find this interesting, but will be still be bitter over Sirius to care too much. These are the grades Harry would have got:
DADA: O
Potions:A/E
Care of Magical Creatures:O
Charms:E
Transfiguration: A/E
Herbology: E
Astronomy: T (I know Fred and George were just joking, but anyway)
History of Magic:T
Divination: O (Madam Marchbanks is rather old, but still :rotfl: )

But the inflation theory earlier will change these to all O's.

Hermione: we all know the answer.
Ron: Probably the same results of non-inflated Harry grades

My guess is that one "O.W.L" is for each subject. Maybe there are extras for getting all E's and higher, or all O's.

My take on Harry:
Charms: E
Transfiguration: E
Defense Against the Dark Arts: O
Potions: E
Care of Magical Creatures: O
Herbology: O
Divination: P
Astronomy: A
History of Magic: A

Yeah, JKR is British, she bases her "OWL's" on GCSES's. You take them in your fifth year of secondary school. And the grades go like this A*, A, B, C, D, E, F, G and U, which basically is nothing. :D

Generally, passes are regarded from A* to C.

The "NEWTS" would be based on A-Levels, taken in seventh year of secondary school. Grades are from A-E.

Just to clear that up. :D

Harry's OWLs, from best to worst.

DADA: O
Care of Magical Creatures: E
Herbology: E
Charms: E
Transfiguration: E
Potions: E
Astronomy: A
History of Magic: A
Divination: P

That's being realistic. :p

According to POA the 5th years actually get their O.W.Ls before the holidays. On p313:

'Percy had got top-grade N.E.W.Ts; Fred and George had scaped a handful of O.W.Ls each'

So I dunno why JKR has made it in OoTP that they are getting their O.W.Ls during or after holidays before the new school term. Another mistake maybe? Or they have already got their O.W.Ls but Harry hasn't mentioned them.

Anyway I think Harry's O.W.Ls are gonna be:

DADA: O
Care of Magical Creatures: O/E
Herbology: E
Charms: O/E
Transfiguration: O/E
Potions: O (prob. something to do with DD)
Astronomy: A
History of Magic: A
Divination: P

Hermione will prob. get O's in all her subjects except maybe one or 2. Ron will most likely get slightly lower than Harry.

I doubt DD could influence the Wizarding Examination Board, or would he want to, and Divinationa and History of magic are definitely D or T.

Maybe DD might not be able to influence the Wizarding Examination Board, agree with you there actually. But DD will somehow get Harry into Potions if he wants to become an Auror.

McGonagall actually does seem to hold some authority over Snape. If he refuses to teach Harry, I'm sure one of the other teachers will convince him to.

No, McGonagall will say that its Snape's right as a teacher to accept students of a given standard. And frankly I don't want Harry entering because of any special connections, he's got to make the grade or just accept it.

I think if he doesn't have enough OWLs to become a Auror he should be pro-Quidditch player...

Who knows...

This probably sounds crazy...but what about Dumbledore himself as the new DADA teacher? Is there any reason this couldnt happen?

I mean, with the war coming and all, it is likely that the students would need a competant teacher so they can learn how to deal with the difficult times ahead, and who would be a better teacher than Dumbledore himself?

yea, I was thinking about that too. I am only thinking why Dumbledore didn't do that last year.

Cool idea!

There must be some ban on why Headmasters can't teach.

Dumbledore was a former teacher. It'd kind of be like demoting himself, wouldn't it? He can't do both jobs at once- Dumbledore seemed to be extremely busy in book 5, and not just with stuff for the Order. Taking on another job as a teacher would only add to the current workload. I do think he'll continue to "teach" Harry in book 6, just not formally.

Well I don't think so, there must be some kind of special reason why DD cant teach (I'm still holding out that he will, though Snape teaching DADA wouldn't be bad either). No reason why Headmasters cant teach, I've known them to do so when they need to. By the way, we are getting off-topic, this thread is about Harry's O.W.L. results and what we think he will get.

Umbridge continued to be the DADA teacher even after she became Headmistress, but then we can't really interpret that to mean anything.

As for potions, well, the simplest solution is that Snape becomes the new DADA teacher, where Harry got an Outstanding and there's no way that Snape can refuse him.

Sooner or later Dumbledore will end up in the position where Snape is literally the only one who wants to teach the class. That could very well be next year. The only reason Umbridge took the job was to find a way to bring down both Dumbledore and Harry Potter. Even the Ministry can't force anyone to take it. Most sane people would rather quit the Ministry than take a jinxed job like DADA teacher.

Getting back to the topic, is there any indication of which subjects have both Theory and Practical and which ones are just one or the other? It's fairly clear that History of Magic is purely Theory.

Well said, Mutant for Hire. I just want to elaborate that if a incompetent person like Umbridge can handle both roles at once, DD should have no problem with it.

Also, McGonagall said you need "serious time and determination to achieve an OWL, and if there are 2 for each subject getting 12 (supposed to be quite an accomplishment as Percy and Barty Crouch Jr. did it) would be too easy. Hence I think its quite clear there is only one OWL for each subject.

Interesting...

Total: 6 O.W.L.s
- This seems about right. Six isn't to bad, but it's not outstanding either. Seems about right for Harry.

Did I forget any tests?

There are 8 required classes. Transfiguration, Potions, Care of Magical Creatures, History of Magic, Charms, Herbology, Astrology & DADA. Harry and Ron are taking one elective -- divination. Hermione is taking the 8 required plus 2 electives -- Ancient Ruins and Arithmancy. (HoM doesn't have a practical exam as I recall, only the written)

Remember O.W.L.s standing for Ordinary Wizarding Levels. Not Outstanding Wizarding Levels. The more I think about it the more convinced I am that they do get an OWL for each individual test. One for theory & one for practical. I also think that receiving an "acceptable" or higher mark constitutes getting an OWL. After that point the level you achieve within that OWL "outstanding" "exceeds" or "acceptable") determines what further course of study a person will be able to follow. (exp: Snape only takes students who achieved "Outstanding" on their OWL into his Newt level Potions class.

Bill and Percy both received 12 owls. If it was a 1 OWL per course then it seems impossible that they could have rec'd 12. Hermione was proof of the fact that there are literally only so many hours in the day and even a timeturner couldn't help her cope with the added stress.

I think Harry will pass all of them except divination and the HoM. Maybe a partial on Astrology. (total of 12-13 owls).

So even if Harry passes his potions OWL he could still get turned away from NEWT level potions class. (I think he's going to get an Outstanding myself. I can't see JKR passing up the chance to stick Harry with Snape for 2 more years)

That would make OWLs, much more common, and 12 no big deal. But we saw from percy and crouch that it was. i am inclined to think that the former took all the subjects, and just maxed out. (can u imagine percy taking/ passing only 6 courses, all of which required?). Add the fact that McGonagall said 'an OWL', and my own personal experience with tests, I will lay a bet with you that its 1 OWL a subject.

That would make OWLs, much more common, and 12 no big deal. But we saw from percy and crouch that it was. i am inclined to think that the former took all the subjects, and just maxed out. (can u imagine percy taking/ passing only 6 courses, all of which required?). Add the fact that McGonagall said 'an OWL', and my own personal experience with tests, I will lay a bet with you that its 1 OWL a subject.


With with Percy, I can. I can completely picture him hedging his bets to guarantee his results. He could have taken 7 or 8 subjects and failed 2 of them. (but the twins would have had a field day). I just think that Hermione will out do Percy and for that she'll need more than 10 classes.

These are the results I think Harry will get:
Defence Against the Dark Arts: O
Charms: O
Transfiguration: E
Potions: O (Without Snape marking, he shouldn't get a low grade)
Herbology: E
Care of Magical Creatures: E
Astronomy: A (He did okay in his theory, if not his practical)
History of Magic: P
Divination: D

And personally, I think Snape would be a good DADA teacher. He'd be a lot better than Umbridge anyway!

I think that Harry did considerablt well on his O.W.L's.

Charms:
written-O/E
Practical-E
Transfiguration:
Written:O/E(it only said he forgot one definition)
Practical:E/A
Herbology:
written: O(it didn't say anything about the written one, but i am assuming he did everything right)
Practical:O/E(he only got a bite)
DADA:
written:O(duh)
practical: O(obviously)
Potions:
written: A/P
practical:(this one i am uncertain he might have gotten an E/A. I think that they will make an exeption in his case though, and let him take NEWT potions. Maybe another test will make up for his potions one)
Care of Magical creatures:O
Astronomy:
written:E
practical:P/D
Divination: D

I think that is it. I am not sure if each subject counts as one O.W.L though. I really think that Harry will get to be an Auror.

So how well do you think he did?
Do you think he passed with flying colours?

allright here's my take on harry's O.W.L. results:

Charms: either A or E
I get the feeling Harry's about average to above average on this subject. Looks pretty hopeful

Transfiguration: likely E
Harry also seems pretty decent in transfiguration. i think he needs an E to be an auror, and if that's the case he'll get it. IMO, i think jkr plans to make harry an auror, predictable as it is, so that will in some way dictate his OWL results.

Defence Against the Dark Arts: O
This is pretty obvious. Plus, Harry has that legendary DADA ability. The DA anyone?

Potions: E, maybe even O
Said he did decent without Snape's presence. Plus I think it's pretty predictable that we'll get an unexpected (not so to us) potions result from harry

History of Magic: P, maybe even D or T
He fell asleep and didn't really seem to care. i think he bombed it

Care of Magical Creatures: A
Probably passed but didn't get anything exceptional.

Astronomy: P perhaps an A (barely)
Didn't finish a lot of the chart, but I think he slipped by.

Divination: P or D
Harry's not a seer, plus he's always just made stuff up when attempting to "see." maybe some of his guesswork salvaged a P for him.

Herbology: A
don't think he's anything special in this subject, but he'll pass.

onto other students:

i think hermione will probably get an OWL in every subject, mostly E/O.
ron will probably get about the same as harry, maybe a little less or more.
not sure about neville, but he'll get an O in herbology.

I think he will get all OWLs he will need to be an Auror.. or if he doesnt, you know DD will find a way to make sure he gets what he wants.. personally i think he is good enough to be one right now.. the classes would help tho..

~I agree totaly with Ollivander -- took the words right out of my mouth. GJ Ollivander :).

Divination: P or D
Harry's not a seer, plus he's always just made stuff up when attempting to "see." maybe some of his guesswork salvaged a P for him.

Agreed. However, in the book Trelawny strictly and clearly said that OWLs do not matter in this class....but Dumbledore made her give them.

To me, this suggests that Harry may be having another year with that miserable old bat :agree:

I know this has been discussed before, but here's my take on O.W.L.s.. I'm not really paying attention to whether there's practical and theory, I'm just posting what I think..

Harry
Astronomy: P/A (They may all receive a pardon, because of the distraction)
Care of Magical Creatures: E (He seemed relatively well equipped, from both Grubbly-Plank and Hagrid -- Hagrid's really not a bad teacher, just over enthusiastic)
Charms: E
Defense Against the Dark Arts: O (Duh..)
Divination: P (It says he did fairly bad.. he mix up the life and head lines, informing his evaluator that she should've died the previous Tuesday)
Herbology: A/E (I assume he didn't do too badly here..)
History of Magic: D (He did really bad, I assume)
Potions: E (Without Snape around, he did better than expected..)
Transfiguration: E (He's never been as good as Hermione, though he did manage to vanish his iguana, it says.)

Hermione
Ancient Runes: E (I don't remember hearing how she was in this class, but Hermione's smart.. I expect she did well)
Arithmancy: E/O (She's said before that it's her favorite class. I'm betting she did well.)
Astronomy: A (Even with the distraction, I think Hermione passed.. or received a pardon.)
Care of Magical Creatures: E (She knows a lot. She even tried planning Hagrid's lessons, so even if he didn't equip them properly, she had extra knowledge)
Charms: O
Defense Against the Dark Arts: E (She seems fairly capable; she was able to produce a Patronus, and she got the things Harry taught them quickly)
Herbology: E
History of Magic: A/E (Perhaps an A because she might've been distracted by what happened to Harry.)
Potions: O (Hermione's good at Potions, and probably even better without Snape around.)
Transfiguration: E/O

Ron
Astronomy: P/A (He may have received a pardon because of the distraction..)
Care of Magical Creatures: A/E
Charms: E
Defense Against the Dark Arts: E (I expect that with Harry as a teacher, he did well)
Divination: D (He described the evaluator's reflection.. 'nuff said.)
Herbology: E
History of Magic: P/A (I think, that with Hermione's notes, he might've scraped a pass here.. however, what happened to Harry might've distracted him)
Potions: A/E (Like Harry, I guess he might've done better without Snape around. The question about Polyjuice Potion may have upped his score a bit. Besides, Ron's not stupid. I think that being in the presense of the Slytherin's and Snape distracts him, as well as being in a class with his friends.)
Transfiguration: E (Again.. Ron's smart. I think he could do well in Transfiguration if he payed more attention.)

Personally, I think Ron should've taken Ancient Runes or Arithmancy instead of Divination. He's intellectual when he needs to be, and he's logical. His ability to figure out problems (like when he needed to play Wizard's Chess in the first book..) would make him excellent, in my opinion, in either class. I wish JKR had put him in one of the two, where he could've excelled.

Agreed. However, in the book Trelawny strictly and clearly said that OWLs do not matter in this class....but Dumbledore made her give them.

To me, this suggests that Harry may be having another year with that miserable old bat :agree:

makes sense, but something tells me harry hasn't seen the end of ol' trelawny... :huh:

There are Twelve subjects in OWL examinations and Hermione was taking all of them in PoA:

Common Subjects:
-History of Magic
-Herbology
-Care of Magical Creatures
-Astronomy
-DADA
-Charms
-Potions
-Transfiguration

Optional Subjects:
-Divination
-Ancient Runes
-Arithmancy
-Muggle Studies (Commonly forgotten in this forum)

So that makes 12 and Percy can have got 12 OWLs even if it's only one OWL per subject. The problem is that classes are at the same time (maybe Percy got a Timeturner too when it was studying).

I thought Care of Magical Creatures was an Optional subject as well.

I thought Care of Magical Creatures was an Optional subject as well.

Yes, I have reviewed CoS and is true. I'm also not certain about Astronomy, as the book states only the Subjects taken in First and Second year are mandatory and i can't remember if they were taking Astronomy in First and Second Year.

ok hes something snape either get fired or get dada and harrys gets e in potions so he can take it with new teacher who will accept e's on owls

o yah and he cud get different cause there was a theory exam in all of them except for divination and they are all separate grades since percy got 12



e transfiguration
0 dada
e potions
a herbology
0 care of magical creatures
p astronomy
d history of magic

I think that Hermione did outstanding in all of her exams and I think that Harry must have done pretty well but not exceptional. Ron I think did ok too. If harry didn't do well in his OWlS especially potions than I don't see him beeing an arouor or lving long enough to be one. I have a feeling that Rowling would just dash all his hopes and kill him off. I think that Hermione has to be headgorl. No doubt about that one. I don't think that either Ron or Harry have even the smallest shot at headboy. The'y just don't have good enough grades. I have feeling that it will either be Draco or some other boy. I don't think that it'll be Ron or Harry. Harry is an extremely bright and resourceful boy. He's also turning inot a powerful wizard but his grades aren't good enough for Headboy.

I think that Hermione did outstanding in all of her exams
Funny, Harry consistently does better at DADA than Hr, hr has fluffed tests at it before by panicking - yet people still unquestioningly seem to give her an O...very strange logic indeed.

I think that Hermione has to be headgorl. No doubt about that one. I don't think that either Ron or Harry have even the smallest shot at headboy. The'y just don't have good enough grades. I have feeling that it will either be Draco or some other boy. I don't think that it'll be Ron or Harry. Harry is an extremely bright and resourceful boy. He's also turning inot a powerful wizard but his grades aren't good enough for Headboy.
Where in canon has it ever been said that only the best pupil at exams are made Head boy? I note you list your location as Japan where certainly academics are given more status than most countries - but I think we can assume that HW's runs as per the English public schol system - where HB/HG is more often about being a role-model and someone people respect than simply a who gained the highest exam score.

I expect Hr to get HG - simply as JKR has modelled the character on herself and also failed to establish any other girls with sufficient status. In reality I doubt for one minute she would be HG - as someone who does little else but study and is considered a swat by the school - she would have serious trouble getting people to listen to her.

Harry's credentials are leagues ahead of Hr in important respects - he will baring slytherin commands respect for (insert any number of saving the school/people incidents here), prowess in the only game that counts, and considering his adventures a more than decent academic record.

None of the above counts in one sense - do we really think H won't be HB in book 7 ...for plot reasons....

I actually think Harry will be given the opportunity to be Head Boy but will turn it down, seeing that he has so many other commitments, and no longer seeing any need to compete with his father's image.

Where in canon has it ever been said that only the best pupil at exams are made Head boy? I note you list your location as Japan where certainly academics are given more status than most countries - but I think we can assume that HW's runs as per the English public schol system - where HB/HG is more often about being a role-model and someone people respect than simply a who gained the highest exam score.
ROFLMAO! I'm laughing bc I'm not from Japan and I'm not Japanese. I just live in Tokyo. I go to an international school in Tokyo called the American school in Japan. I'm american.Lol. I think that Hermione will be headgirl. I have a feeling about her. I don't think that her grades would just start to take a nose dive. People seem to assume that if you get one answer wrong on a test than that means that you automatically have an acceptable or an exceptional. It's usually been the to 2 students with the top grades in their class that are headboy/girl. I don't think that Ron or Harry have ever had that good of grades. It's been obvious through the books. So unless they miraculously have better grades than everone else I doubt it. I'm not basing whether they will be headboy/girl off of theiriOWLS but off of there grades at Hogwarts so far. I'd assume that the the headboy is picked off of who has the best grades for all those years previous at hogwarts. Headboy and Head Girl is chosen based off of who has the best average of grades for all the years at Hogwarts. It would make sense. It's like a gpa. That would be the simplest way of looking at it. Headboy isn't chosen based of whether you are the noblest or the bravest. So I doubt Harry will be headboy.

ROFLMAO! I'm laughing bc I'm not from Japan and I'm not Japanese. I just live in Tokyo. I go to an international school in Tokyo called the American school in Japan. I'm american.Lol.
Did I say you were Japanese? I made the very logical assumption that unless you lived in a cacoon you couldn't help but be influenced by the prevailing assumptions about academic status of the country you reside in (wether that be temporary or permenant). I spent some time in Hong Kong where attitudes are much the same in this regard.

I don't think that her grades would just start to take a nose dive. People seem to assume that if you get one answer wrong on a test than that means that you automatically have an acceptable or an exceptional.
Who said her grades? I referenced one specific subject. Hr says herself that H is better at DADA, that he has beaten her in past exams. He has continued to increase his skill in this area, and was acknowledged by all sufficiently to take the DA classes. Can we not assume with some certainty that H did better in his DADA exam.

It's usually been the to 2 students with the top grades in their class that are headboy/girl.
:banghead: You've said that, canon hasn't. You are guessing.

Headboy and Head Girl is chosen based off of who has the best average of grades for all the years at Hogwarts. It would make sense. It's like a gpa. That would be the simplest way of looking at it. Headboy isn't chosen based of whether you are the noblest or the bravest. So I doubt Harry will be headboy.
As per my previous post. HWs is based off the British school system, GPA doesn't exist as a concept in the UK. I think you're misapplying a foreign notion of HB/HG. The UK norm is rarely if ever for the best exam results to decide positions. The longstanding tradition is for the most rounded pupils, generalists - good across a range of things not exclusive to one discipline.

Harry is a good wizard-
I think he do well in all is O.L.W.s at least better then Ron
In DADA I think he had done better than Hermione
I also think he could bring a "O" In potion without Dumbledore's help
Harry is a very good wizard everyone knows it and I also think he could became an Auror without problem! :D

Mirtilla

There's something weird about the Potions test. Harry thinks he did all right because there was a question about the Polyjuice Potion. Problem is that the reason he knows about it is because the Trio did it in their second year, BUT they were only able to do it by getting Lockhart to sign a permission slip to let them check the book out of the restricted section, which is otherwise only open to 6th and 7th year students. That implies that the Polyjuice Potion is a N.E.W.T. level potion. Why was there a question about it on the O.W.L.?

There's something weird about the Potions test. Harry thinks he did all right because there was a question about the Polyjuice Potion. Problem is that the reason he knows about it is because the Trio did it in their second year, BUT they were only able to do it by getting Lockhart to sign a permission slip to let them check the book out of the restricted section, which is otherwise only open to 6th and 7th year students. That implies that the Polyjuice Potion is a N.E.W.T. level potion. Why was there a question about it on the O.W.L.?
They might have learned what it does in class. It seems reasonable to assume that learning what it does wouldn't be restricted, just how to make it. They probably learned some basic, Polyjuice Potion turns you into another person for an hour type knowledge in class. Harry was just able to add more knowledge of his own because of his experiences. At least, that's my view on that...

...book out of the restricted section, which is otherwise only open to 6th and 7th year students. That implies that the Polyjuice Potion is a N.E.W.T. level potion. Why was there a question about it on the O.W.L.?
I always understood it that the theory of the polyjuice potion was taught in class but not the practical step by step guide to how to actually make it. Hr knew about it without the guide but only basic details. H has always been bad at theory and good at practicals - so he'd have forgotten it all but for their field test :)

Exactly, Hermione only heard about the Polyjuice Potion because she heard Snape mention it in class.

That one problem that Harry got lucky on isn't enough for him to get an O - it's just one problem. Even though Harry did the theory part better than with Snape hanging around, I still can't see how Harry can get an O. I think DD's going to have to force Snape to let Harry in.

Whell, we do not know what really would be considered an O anyway. We do not have an unbiased person to tell us what the standards are yet until we read about it in the next book. Harry tends to not give himself enough credit. Snape though is very harsh towards Harry. Neither one can be good gauge of whats the standards are on the test. Harry could be up to the O level. We just cant say because we do not know what is considered an O. All we know is that Harry did better than if Snape gave the test. Harry doesnt even want to share that he feels he got an O in DADA in case he was wrong. Hermione and Ron would probally think Harry is just being silly for not assuming he would get an O before he even strated the test( Not that any of them would say it.....)
It would just be too much for Dumbledore to overstep to force snape to let harry in the class. Dumbledore has allowed Snape to keep that high standard. It would not be fair (not that Snape setting such a high standard is that fair either) for dumbledore to force Snape to change now. From how Professor McGonogal put it I do assume that there has been a conflict before over Snapes standards and snape still sets it at O.
I think most likely harry will manage an O (mostly because it will be quite aggrivating to harry to be able to continue with Snapes class when he would rather not.) If not then i think McGonogal will teach Harry potions herself.

Whell, we do not know what really would be considered an O anyway. We do not have an unbiased person to tell us what the standards are yet until we read about it in the next book. Harry tends to not give himself enough credit.
I think you make very sound points. It may be that even the students who do 'badly' at potions in Snapes's eyes will pass - simply because Snape's standards are so high to begin with.

I think most likely harry will manage an O (mostly because it will be quite aggrivating to harry to be able to continue with Snapes class when he would rather not.) If not then i think McGonogal will teach Harry potions herself.
Either that or...and this has been on my mind for some time......harry will fail to get the grade. As he has a goal he really desires - Auror - for the first time he will knuckle down to do a cram/retake over the summer holidays run by McGon. After her promise to do all she could that might make some sense...and a nice plot twist with Harry's low/high emotions. Perhaps even it would provide a chance for them both to bond closer forshadowing her taking on DD's mantle when as we all expect he dies at some stage in 6/7.

Alci, I wasn't talking about YOUR posts. I was talking about everyone's in general.:blush:You seemed to have assumed that I automatically went to a Japanese school so if I lived in Japan the automatic assumption was that I'm japanese and that I'm influenced by the grading system. No offense. My posts weren't adressed to anyone. They were just my opinions. I'm just going off of the clues in the book. Typically it seems (it's just what I've noticed)as ifthe headboy/girl are the kids with the best grades. Lily, James, and Percy, all had that in common. I don't think that Harry will be Headboy....why? For no real reason. It's just what I think. I think that Hermone will be Headgirl. She has all the makings of a headgirl. I think that Harry did do better than Hermione in DADA but from as far aw we ca tell I don't think that Harry did poorly on his tests but not exactly the bes either. Considering how much they studied for I don't think they did too bad. I'm getting the feeling that Rowling said all that about there exams to maybe throw us off a little. As to Harry and Potions? I really don't know. There's a good chance that maybe did well but I don't know......I'm not sure that Mcgonagall would bully Snape into making him take Harry into his class.

Ya know, I'm not sure if anyone said this in agreeing with me but a lot of people have been saying that Harry will get a low grade in divination possibly a D or P... but I say he'll get atleast an A or an E.... think about it, Harry has always thought that his dreams meant nothing and that him and Ron's predictions for a whole month were totally off.... but it's never been a surprise to me to see that the predictions usually always come true. Harry predicted the man would meet a tall dark soggy stranger or something like that and Im not sure if that happened, can't remember for the life of me, but I bet it will... plus the only thing he really screwed up on was the palm reading so I don't think it will take his grade down very low probably to an A if he did everything else well....
does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I just insane?

Ya know, I'm not sure if anyone said this in agreeing with me but a lot of people have been saying that Harry will get a low grade in divination possibly a D or P... but I say he'll get atleast an A or an E.... think about it, Harry has always thought that his dreams meant nothing and that him and Ron's predictions for a whole month were totally off.... but it's never been a surprise to me to see that the predictions usually always come true. Harry predicted the man would meet a tall dark soggy stranger or something like that and Im not sure if that happened, can't remember for the life of me, but I bet it will... plus the only thing he really screwed up on was the palm reading so I don't think it will take his grade down very low probably to an A if he did everything else well....
does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I just insane?

Well his prediction for his Divination exam in book three came true (Buckbeak would fly away safe and sound). I know Harry was making it up, and that was what he wanted to happen but still... It was a good guess Buckbeak did escape and he did fly away. I think Divination is mostly just guessing. Still after saying all of that I will be extremely surprised if Harry's prediction about a dark soggy stranger will earn him an E or A or O. I expect he'll get a P

I think that Harry will not get good enough grades to be an Aruor because Harry thought he only managed to scrape a pass in potions ( :censored:snape!! never taught Harry anything!!) and he'll need that for his concealment and diguise part of the Aruor tests.

I think that Harry will be taking NEWT level potions.
Either he passed the test with an O, or Snape becomes DADA Teacher and the new Potions teacher allows Harry to take the course. Or, I suppose Snape could leave Hogwarts...but, no matter what, I think Harry will be taking NEWT potions.

i also think we'll be seeing harry in NEWT level potions. mcgonagall said she would do what she had to for harry to become an auror and i think we can be pretty sure that harry will be working towards that and get it. we obviously wont see harrys life after book seven, whether he lives through it or not, we wont see him after hogwarts. but i think he will definitely be an auror, or that is to say that he will pass all the hogwarts requirements for becoming an auror. so with that, his grades will be good in classes like DADA, transfig., potions etc.... all the things they need for being an auror. or harry will get just an OK potions grade and then think he cant become an auror, but then find out that snape is now the DADA teacher and the new potions teach will accept harry to the NEWT level potions regardless of his grade. and then his DADA grade is definitely going to be an O so snape would be forced to take harry to NEWT level DADA.

HOWEVER, i strongly support the theory that snape will get the DADA job in book 7, so im not too sure about the theory of the whole teacher switching around allowing harry to get into all the necessary classes for becoming an auror. i support more the idea of him getting the necessary grades or having mcgonagall give some private potions lessons, or something of that nature.

What if Snape gets injured in his work for the OotP and is unable to teach his classes for the first month or two. The new temperary teacher accepts anyone into his/her class so Harry gets in on a below O level O.W.L. Then Snape comes back and both he and Harry are angry: Snape because Harry found a way into his class and Harry because he didn't mind potions as much under the other teacher.

I know that is pretty unlikely but it's a way for Harry to get into Potions even if he didn't do well enough on his O.W.L.s

Oh and here's a question I've had for a while. Do they get 2 grades in each class with a practical and written or are the grades combined? I don't think we know the answer yet, but what are your thoughts?

Possible, but I don't think Snape is doing the sort of thing for the Order that could get him injured. He seems to be spying in some way, so if he's caught he will be killed, and if he isn't he won't be harmed. I can't think of a situation in which Snape would get in a battle, be harmed, but not killed. And Snape isn't going to be killed just when JKR is digging into the depths of his character.

It would be interesting if Harry and Neville both ended up being professors!

everyone seems to think harry will get the required "o" to move into newt level potions. I think that jkr will for literary purposes, give him only an "a" or at most an "e" and the story line will be that snape wants to refuse harry entry into his class, but only allows him him at the express order of DD. Snape will then take every opportunity to be cruel to harry again and continously remind harry he's really just" a stupid boy and not smart enough for my class, your only here at the insistance of the headmaster!"

...or something like that! ;-)

I think that's a very good thought.
I, too, think that Harry will not achieve an O on his potions exam, but will be taking the course anyway....

I too think J.K. will find some way to get Harry stuck in Snape's N.E.W.T. class.(c'mon, we have to get those two together again, plus,there needs to be an excuse to have more contact with Snape) I can just imagine the scenerio when Snape first encounters Harry sitting right in front of him in his "high selective" class. His expression will be priceless. Poor guy, just when he thought he'd finally gotten rid of the little brat. :lol: Hey, I think I've just been inspired to write a fanfic...hmm...

Anyway, I have a feeling his O.W.L. results will prove a surprise, both to Harry and to us.

Subjects I'm pretty sure he did well on:
Charms
Care of Magical Creatures
DADA of course
Herbology

Subjects I'm pretty sure he passed:
Transfig.
Potions
and yes, even Astronomy
O.W.L.'s in total : 6 or 7

I too think J.K. will find some way to get Harry stuck in Snape's N.E.W.T. class. I can just imagine the scenerio when Snape first encounters Harry sitting right in front of him in his "high selective" class. His expression will be priceless. Poor guy, just when he thought he'd finally gotten rid of the little brat. :lol: Hey, I think I've just been inspired to write a fanfic...hmm...

Anyway, I have a feeling his O.W.L. results will prove a surprise, both to Harry and to us.

Subjects I'm pretty sure he did well on:
Charms
Care of Magical Creatures
DADA of course
Herbology

Subjects I'm pretty sure he passed:
Transfig.
Potions
and yes, even Astronomy

Can't underestimate Harry's intelligence



I think your write with those predictions and I was also wondering whether they are awarded prizes for outstanding results obtained in certain subjects. I can see Harry getting the prize for DADA if there is, no doubt about that.

I think Harry will have to take up the special class in Occlumancy though as well as he does still need it. I also think that Snape will not be surprised to see Harry in his class as he is the one who decides to be placed into his potion group. I think if Harry does really well, then I can not see Snape turning him down as even he recognises tallent when it is around and good grades from his students in N.E.W.Ts makes Snape look like a good teacher of potions.

Ok, here's what i think the Trio will get on their O.W.L.'s
Theroy=T Practical=P

Harry:

Charms:
T-O P-EE ( :lol: Pee :))

Transfiguration:
T-EE P-EE

D.A.D.A:
T-O P-O

Care of Magical Creatures:
T-O P-O

Potions:
T-O P-EE

Astronomy:
T-A P-P

Divination:
T-A P-P

Herbology:
T-EE P-EE

History of Magic:
T-A

That's 15 O.W.L.'s

Ron:

Charms:
T-EE P-A

Transfiguration:
T-A P-A

D.A.D.A:
T-O P-EE

Care of Magical Creatures:
T-O P-O

Potions:
T-EE P-EE

Astronomy:
T-EE P-A

Divination:
T-P P-D

Herbology:
T-EE P-EE

History of Magic:
T-A

15 for Ron too... Mrs. Weasley will be happy :)

Hermione:

Charms:
T-O P-O

Transfiguration:
T-O P-O

D.A.D.A:
T-O P-O

Care of Magical Creatures:
T-O P-O

Potions:
T-O P-O

Ancient Runes:
T-O P-O

Arithmancy:
T-O P-O

Astronomy:
T-O P-EE

Herbology:
T-O P-O

History of Magic:
T-O

19 O.W.L.'s, PERFECT. Go Hermione! :clap: :p

Tonks08, i'm not totally sure BUT I think the scores get averaged between the Written and the Practical!

So 6-7 for harry and ron and 10 for hermione is my guess!

SomeDude, I'm not sure either. But i think in the GoF or PoA Mrs. Weasley was yelling at Fred and George for getting 5 O.W.L.'s.. (pretty sure it was 5)