Possible clues dropped for books 6 & 7

Hello everyone!

In an interview with Katie Couric last Friday evening. JKR stated that she'd dropped several clues in Order of the Phoenix that would apply in future books - no surprise there!

Asides from that funky plant Neville had - it was mentioned too many times to NOT be a clue! - I think the story of Regulus Black was a biggie. Sure he was a traitor. a death eater, he upheld the Black family honour... anyone think he's still alive for future books? Wouldn't be the first time a supposedly dead character was alive after all; Peter Pettigrew and Crouch jr. are great examples! It's just that when JKR tells stories within the story, it seems they're always for a reason.

Besides - Regulus is the 25th brightest star in the sky, and literally means - hold on to your hats! - "prince" or "heart of the lion." Well now! If my theory is right, he'll be an incredible assett for Harry later on.

Oh yeah, and, I have a feeling Ms. Cho is evil. When they were reading the Quibbler on the train, one of the articles was called How the Tornadoes are taking over - later, Ron was angry because Cho had a tornadoes badge on her robe. It was also mentioned later on in the book - that's three times! It means something

Please post your opinions and thoughts on clues for future books here! Maybe we can actually figure something out together for the future books!!!

I think this belongs in the books six and seven discussion corner. I'll move it there for you. :)

Although stated in another thread, I definitely think "Mark Evans" is a possible clue dropped for the following books.

Harry's encounter with Nick the ghost at the end has to do with something later. It felt like she was throwing that in, but never really tied up the loose end. I don't think Sirius would choose to be a ghost (that is what we found out right? That you have to choose?), but I hope we haven't seen everything of him. I liked Sirius too much for him to be gone forever. And his death was too weird. That weird curtain he fell through has to be a clue to something that happens later.

I think the fact that no one could have ever guessed about the thestrals probably means that we will never be able to pick up on all the hints from OoTP, but I'd like to try!

I think everything involving the Department of Mysteries will be a clue later. I think we'll find out more about that room with the veil and the archway. We definitely have too because that chapter didn't make a whole lot of sense. I think the room that Dumbledore was talking about may be seen. The one that's locked and contains that special something that Unspeakables study. Maybe Harry's the only one who can unlock it... I also think we'll find out lots more on the ghost subject. JKR said we'd find out all about it in Book Seven. So maybe, she was just setting the stage for when she tells us all about it. I think we may be seeing more of Luna Lovegood. Did anyone get the feeling she might like Ron? I heard that 'Evans' was a popular British name but JKR can name her characters anything so its interesting that she chose that.

It seems this entire book is a setup for what happens next. I mean, more so than I expected, since obviously it every book is a setup for the next one :)

Those memories of Snape's - not just the one in the Pensieve - may be important later, as may Occlumency, Kreacher, the mimbulus mimbletonia, the Time room, and Tonks' metamorphagus ability.

Just speculation, obviously, but those seem some of the more prominent things that will be discussed over and over again in this forum :D

I think the veil will be revisited... there is more to it then meets the eye.

Harry's eyes... even though lily's secret wans't mentioned i think in some places where harry is trying to make eye contact with Snape... I think it could be a start of his new power... possibly he might hav telepathy.

I think Draco will do something drastic later on.

Neville's new wand will tell us that he isn't as clumsy as he was with his father's wand.

The room with that Power that only harry had... theres got to be more to it.

Luna Lovegood?

Did anyone notice that when Uncle Vernon was trying to strangle Harry... that harry unleashed a power that Vernon felt making him release Harry. I found this confusing! I wans't sure if it was just uncontrolled magic... but it kind of reminded me that Voldemort couldn't touch him long ago.

The disillusment Spell is a possible one as well, I also made a mental note about metamorphigi, I think it will come up again, just like Rita and an animagus and polyjuice potion.

Originally posted by antarris (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=390383#post390383))
Besides - Regulus is the 25th brightest star in the sky, and literally means - hold on to your hats! - "prince" or "heart of the lion." Well now! If my theory is right, he'll be an incredible assett for Harry later on.


Bellatrix is the 22nd brightest star in the sky and means "Warrioress," ;) JK is definately looking to the stars for inspiration.

When they were having the first meeting for the DA at the Hogs Head, Loony Luna mentioned that Fudge had his own army of heliotrophs (fire spirits). I thought that was just another tale from the Quibbler until, in the Department of Mysteries Harry came upon that room that, when he tried open it, the door melted his knife...........

I don't think we've seen the last of Cornelius Fudge's power struggles........

I think that Metamorphmagi are definitely going to be important. There's no way that JKR would just slip that in for no reason.

I can't remember where Mark Evans is mentioned (can anyone remind me?) but I don't think the surname is a coincedence.

The veil will hopefully come into it a bit more and be explained properly too.

I think many of Luna's "imaginary" creatures will in fact be real.

Neville's plant is definately important. And the fact that Neville is going to have a new wand.

I have a gut feeling that there is something to do with sight/vision/eyes. No clue as to what though.

Hula - Mark Evans is mentioned in the first chapter; Harry is telling Dudley that he knows Dudley and his gang had beat up ten year old Mark Evans.

"When they were having the first meeting for the DA at the Hogs Head, Loony Luna mentioned that Fudge had his own army of heliotrophs (fire spirits). I thought that was just another tale from the Quibbler until, in the Department of Mysteries Harry came upon that room that, when he tried open it, the door melted his knife..........."

BRILLIANT Jaredd!!! I didn't even catch that but I definitely agree with you. I remember Luna mentioning the Heliotrophs (I have a feeling everything she mentioned, no matter how weird, is true), and that melting bit just makes too much sense.

I've already mentioned Regulus Black but I went through the book again and have further proof that he's still alive, and will make a comeback. In the Quibbler Luna is reading on the train, they have that article on Sirius Black actually being Stubby Boardman, lead singer for that Hobgoblins group.

If you look at the dates, they say that sirius could not possibly have been in Azkaban, as he's been singing for fifteen years. When Harry and Sirius discuss Regulus, Harry notices he's been dead for fifteen years.

Obviously, being brothers, they look enough alike to get mistaken for one another. AND at the end the book, some witch mentions Stubby out of the blue. When JKR repeats it, it's coming true!

I think the warning from the Sorting Hat is going to be a continued theme. We need to keep a close eye on the Slytherins.

Luna.
She seems crazy but very much like Harry.

The gum wrappers Neville is saving?

I think everything about the Department of Mystries is going to be revealed....or expanded upon. I was totally confused when I was reading it! I was trying to picture the archway and viel, but I couldn't....also Luna--I think will play an important role. Also, I think more is going to be revealed about Petunia...I don't think it's just chance that she knew what Azkaban was, or that she heard about it from Lily.

I also think that most of Neville's problems in the last books (aside from lack of confidence) is that he was using his dad's wand. His grandmother made it painfully obvious that he wasn't his father. Then when he tried to use Hermoine's wand it wouldn't do a thing. We've already seen people using other wizard's wand (GoF where Harry's wand was used to send up the dark mark and even in Olivander's wand shop when Harry was testing wands - they at least did something...). Perhaps when Neville gets his own wand we'll see some big improvements.

Also, I don't know if it's been discussed or if I'm just reaching here but I realized today that Harry's birthday is 9 months (literally) after Halloween. I thought this was notable, especially since his parents were killed on Halloween.

Hey just to tell you, that room that melted Sirius' key. I dont think it has the fire things in it. At the end of the book Dumbledore says "There is a room in the department of Mysteries that is always locked and what it contains inside it is more than power, inteligence and a few other things not sure what, and he says the thing in that room is what Harry has inside of him and Voldemort doesent. And I then he said that was love or something.

Hey -- I just realized something! This may have little or no signifigance later on, but I thought I'd bring it up: Neville has been using his father's wand, right? Well, that means that he did not go to Ollivanders to pick up his own wand when he was first starting at school. We know that Neville was also included in Professor Trelawney's prophecy. Who thinks that, if Neville had entered the shop before Harry, he would have come away with Harry's wand? Just a thought.

Oh, and two things regarding Mark Evans:

1) His name is found on page 13! Heh, I know this is just trivial, but it might be a clue.

2) He's 10 years old. Next year he'll be eleven -- Hogwarts first-year age! Perhaps, if he really is related to Harry, he'll turn out to be a wizard!

Originally posted by Morgoth (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=392637#post392637))
Bellatrix is the 22nd brightest star in the sky and means "Warrioress," ;) JK is definately looking to the stars for inspiration.


And Sirius is the Dog Star. Heehee.

Elektra

JKR has meantioned that Harry will enter a magical world. Was she talking about the Department of Mysteries. Or could it be that Harry finds a way to enter the afterlife and be able to come back.

hey everyone i think loads of clues were laid down, i mean what was the real point of bringing luna in, maybe just so she could have the quibbler in there but i think there more to her, with all her 'imagnery' creatures that she knows, and cause she can hear the voices from behind the veil i think she might be quite power and clever cause she is a ravenclaw.

I think there will also be more coming with neville cause if he was the other child born at the end of july and could of been the one that old voldie was scared of then he must be powerful. and he was using his dad's wand which means he didn't have his own, like ron had charlies old one. and he improved in the DA meetings cause he nearly beat hermione at the shield charm.

and there is also that prophecy that gets broken "at the solstice will come a new......and none will come after" what does that mean!?

"at the solstice will come a new..."...just a quick thought - the third task in GoF, i can't find any references to the date just yet, but wasn't it somewhere in June...the solstice - 21st?

- MIMBULUS PLANT: Remember when Vernon got scared of Hagrid WAA-aay back in book one, and mumbled "Mimblewimble"? Any connection?

- THE VEIL: Did Sirius become a dementor when he fell through the veil? That's my crazy new theory...

- THE PROPHECY: I noticed alot of parts where "..." showed up in Trelawney's prophecy. I think DDore missed part of what she had to say while he was booting the intruder out of Hog's Head. I think *Neville* will kill Voldemort.

I'm convinced that Harry being able to perform an actual spell in chapter 1 without the use of his wand will be important. Harry can't use his wand against Voldemort's wand, and if the prophesy is correct, HArry has to defeat Voldemort.

Also the Mark Evans name and age is a bit to curious to be a coincidence.

I think Neville's wand, gum wrapppers, and plants will be important.

Thats all for now.

I thought all the "..." were important too, but in POA they were included in the phrophecy as well. So who knows.

I just thought of something last night about those fire creatures. In POA we learn about Wendlien the Wierd and fire-freezing charms. So we know of a potential way to fight these creatures (if they do in fact exist, which I think they do).

Here are two bits that grabbed my attention:

The little bit of the prophecy that broke in chapter 35:

"...at the Solstice will come a new..." said the figure of an old, bearded man.

Could that be Dumbledore making a prophecy?

And then what about this part of another prophecy that broke:

"...and none will come after..." said the figure of a young woman.

What if that's Trelawney again?

Originally posted by millerbrad (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=395912#post395912))
- MIMBULUS PLANT: Remember when Vernon got scared of Hagrid WAA-aay back in book one, and mumbled "Mimblewimble"? Any connection?


I've been wondering about the MM plant a lot myself. Rowling likes playing with words, so here's the breakdown of "mimbulus mimbletonia" to the best of my ability:

mim: [Scot. and dial.] (imitative of pursing up the
mouth, cf. mum) affectedly shy or modest, demure;
also, affecting great moderation in eating and
drinking (Jamieson)

bulus: [Medieval Latin and Greek] (lump of earth)
concentrated mass of substance administered intravenously for diagnostic or therapeutic purposes

tonia: [Latin] degree or state of tonicity, which is
the normal firmness or functional readiness in body
tissues or organs

The word "mimblewimble" means essentially "to mumble something nonsensical," which fits the situation with Uncle Vernon perfectly, but I don't think there's necessarily a connection with the MM plant. I can't really make out what the plant is used for, though, based on the above definitions. The stinksap is probably taken internally. Maybe it "loosens up the lips"? Some kind of Veritaserum? That potion has been just about as important to the plots of the books as Polyjuice, and in Book 5 we encountered the limits of Veritaserum when Snape told Umbridge how long it takes to manufacture. Perhaps the Order will have another use for Veritaserum later, but they won't have the time to make it, so they'll need to use the mimbulus mimbletonia instead. There is also the reason why the plant was used as the Gryffindor password. Obviously, such a plant's name being used as a password has its own irony, but also, Book 5 dealt a lot with keeping things secret; Harry's frustration through the book deals with not being told what's going on by Dumbledore and the others; Umbridge keeps her dastardly plans secret from the Ministry; Hagrid keeps Grawp secret; the Luna Lovegood-Rita Skeeter-Quibbler subplot is about exposing secrets; the whole Occlumancy issue is consumed with keeping secrets; and Voldemort's ultimate goal is to reveal the secret wording of the Prophecy. It would make sense, then, for Rowling to reveal the mimbulus mimbletonia at this point in the story -- it fits into the theme of hiding and revealing the truth.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Elektra

I think Neville and Luna will play a big part later on.

Also Draco may actually become evil and try to avenge his father (up till now he has just been really mean)

The veil will surely be revisited and hopefully explained.

I don't think we've seen the last of Bellatrix Lestrange and I'm sure Peter will be back.

I think that Snape's mission for the order is also important. He did say his job was to find out where Voldemort is . . . what does that mean exactly?

Percy will also have a bigger part . . . death eater perhaps?

[i]Originally posted by vickygirl4
Percy will also have a bigger part . . . death eater perhaps?


Let's not forget that Percy is a Gryffindor, not a Slytherin. Ultimately, I don't think his ambitiousness will triumph over his desire to be brave and noble. Percy's problem is that he knows he's really smart. He doesn't realize yet that sometimes his understanding fails him. He believes in being just, but he hasn't learned the fine distinction between justice and authority. He honestly believed that Foutch was right and Harry and Dumbledore were just a couple troublemakers out to get attention and power from the true authorities at the Ministry. His confidence in his own judgment and the Ministry's supposed authority was enough to triumph over his loyalty to his family, because he's always regarded them as a little too "fringe" to be in the right. Now that Dumbledore and Harry have been accepted by the Ministry and the wizarding world, however, I think Percy will follow Fudge back into the fold. He might even join the Order. His pride might prevent him from apologizing to his family, but he'll probably rejoin them, perhaps a little humbler now that he's learned even he can be wrong, and I think Mr. Weasley is gracious enough to take him back, no questions asked. Percy might never really become a truly likeable character, but as Sirius pointed out, the world is not evenly divided between good and evil people. Look at Snape. He's not at all likeable, but he's still one of the good guys. Rowling has a lot of characters like that.

Elektra

Originally posted by Morgoth (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=392637#post392637))
Bellatrix is the 22nd brightest star in the sky and means "Warrioress," ;) JK is definately looking to the stars for inspiration.




Ah...as far as I know is Sirius the brightest star in the night sky! Also named as The Dogstar!

poke:

Just a friendly note: try not to double post. You can delete a post by clicking on the Edit button.

I'd like to know why the Hog's Head barman looked familiar.
I'm sure Tonks's transforming ability will be important.
At some point we will find out how the Potters and Longbottoms defied Voldemort three times (the prophecy).
I don't think we've seen the last of the Dept of Mysteries (the secret room about love).
I can't believe we've seen the last of Grawp.

Madmagic, what was the spell Harry was able to do without his wand in chapter one? I don't remember reading that?

I also think the fact Luna is in ravenclaw is important, I mean she doesn't act intellegent, which makes me think what she believes in is true!

Luna also lives near Ron, it's mentioned in GoF saying the lovegoods didn't need to use the portkey.

I think he said "Lumos" and his wand lit up without him holding it.

I'm thinking that Harry might be able to control magic without his wand at some point in the future.

I totally didn't remember the Lovegoods being mentioned as living near Ron. Good catch there!

And yeah Hel, it was "Lumos" that Harry was able to perform without his wand. And it says he was surprised by it, so I think there is something there.


Originally posted by vickygirl4 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=396395#post396395))
I think that Snape's mission for the order is also important. He did say his job was to find out where Voldemort is . . . what does that mean exactly?


I think that Snape's mission is to use Occlumency to get into Voldemorts thoughts and minds. Because at one point during Harry's lessons in Occlumency Harry says to Snape, "that's your job" about finding out what Voldemort thinks about.

So if that made any sense at all, that is what I think Snape's mission was.

This is mostly just reiterating what others have said, but I think the mimbulus will be important--I can't think of how, yet. In fact, I think that Neville in general will play a big part in the next book. We saw him becoming a better and better wizard in the DA--I kind of expected this to have some effect on the faceoff at the end of OotP, but since it didn't I think it will play a large part in book 6.
Luna will also be more important. You just have to look at where she reassures Harry about the thestrals to know that JK's planning something big for her. My guess is that she might be related to Harry in some way, since he needs some new relatives.
Perhaps instead of dueling with Voldemort at the end of Bk. 6, Harry will face Bellatrix.
I think it will be interesting to see what Percy does once that Fudge has come to his senses. I see this as being a key part of Bk. 6.
Lastly, I think that the 12 rooms in the Department of Mysteries will play some part in the next books. We glimpsed some pretty interesting things in there, and it's not like JK to introduce a topic and then not develop it.

Okay, this is tied in with my Petunia theory (which I don't know how to link to; long story short, Petunia's hatred of the Wizarding World only started for real when Lily and James were killed, blah blah blah), which is admittedly pretty out-there. But then again, this one is out there too, so I guess I'm all over left field with these. LOL Why ruin a streak, right?

Anyhoo.

Mark Evans is the son of Lily and Petunia's adopted younger brother (as yet unnamed), who because of his sister Lily knew all about witches and wasn't in the least freaked out by the idea of marrying one, which he did. Given Petunia's feelings, after her sister's death, about the Wizarding World, when Mark was born and showed signs of sharing Harry's odd qualities, Petunia wanted nothing to do with her brother or his family, and the Dursleys and Evanses fell out of touch.

Harry wasn't sent to live with the Evanses first of all because he and the as-yet-unnamed brother aren't blood-related, and second because the brother wasn't old enough to take care of him (wasn't even married yet, in fact). So not only was the as-yet-unnamed brother not able to take care of Harry, he couldn't function as protection for Harry under the charm like Petunia could.

Of course, this doesn't explain why Harry was never let in on the secret of his uncle's existence by Dumbledore, but then again, it's possible that Dumbledore thinks Harry knows all about the uncle, who as a Muggle wouldn't have seemed to DD to be on Petunia's hate-list.

[quote]Originally posted by Katze (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=396361#post396361))
Here are two bits that grabbed my attention:

The little bit of the prophecy that broke in chapter 35:

"...at the Solstice will come a new..." said the figure of an old, bearded man.

I thought this was obvious. The prophecy predicted something new on the Solstice -- June 21st. I seem to remember being at a bookstore on the Solstice buying something new, heavy, and 870 pages.

[i]Originally posted by animagus1369
Harry wasn't sent to live with the Evanses first of all because he and the as-yet-unnamed brother aren't blood-related, and second because the brother wasn't old enough to take care of him (wasn't even married yet, in fact). So not only was the as-yet-unnamed brother not able to take care of Harry, he couldn't function as protection for Harry under the charm like Petunia could.


Actually, the younger brother/uncle could still be a blood relative. When a child's parents die, the responsibility for caring for the child first falls with the godparents (obviously, Sirius was not a good candidate at the time, even ignoring the blood tie issue), then the grandparents (as with Neville, but who were probably deceased in Harry's case), and then the eldest aunt or uncle (just like an inheritance issue). If Petunia was the eldest of the Evans children, which I believe she was, that would make her the rightful guardian of Harry. And if Harry's uncle does have ties to the magical world, that would be another reason not to leave Harry with him, since Dumbledore wanted to safeguard Harry (both from the Death Eaters and an overgrown ego) by hiding him among Muggles. I think it's likely, though, that Petunia and Lily had a younger sibling that's a Muggle, who married a Muggle (since there aren't supposed to be any witches or wizards in the vicinity of Harry's home), and they had a son Mark, who turns out to be a wizard.


Of course, this doesn't explain why Harry was never let in on the secret of his uncle's existence by Dumbledore, but then again, it's possible that Dumbledore thinks Harry knows all about the uncle, who as a Muggle wouldn't have seemed to DD to be on Petunia's hate-list.


I don't think Dumbledore knows exactly to what extent Petunia has kept Harry in the dark, and even if he does, he's not the most forthcoming of individuals unless Harry asks him a direct question or he needs to reveal information important to the task at hand (like at the end of Book 6). I think if there were any other Evans relatives he would have expected Harry to know them through Petunia. However, I don't think Lily was the only member of the Evans family that Petunia was not on good terms with. In the first book she sounded extremely resentful of her parents, and I could see some sort of estrangement happening there before their deaths, and possibly any other siblings who liked and accepted Lily and James or had magical ties themselves. That would make Petunia the black sheep of the Evans family, not Lily. I think Petunia married Vernon to make herself feel "respectable," and that she overcompensates for the absence of her extended family by spoiling Dudley and deferring to Vernon and doing things like making Harry call Marge "Aunt" although she's not really his relative.

Anyway, I'm waiting for the bomb to drop about the Evans family, too. I mean, what was all that Azkaban prison stuff at the beginning of Book 6? Petunia has secrets, and I want to know what they are!

Elektra

Wormtail will have a significant role to play. Remember in PoA that Harry showed Wormtail kindness and DD did say there may some benefit to having one of LV's closest servants being indebted to H. I expect:
1) Wormtail does a 'Darth Vader killing the Emperor just as the latter is about to kill Luke Skywalker' thingy; or
2) Wormtail frees H when H is caught by LC or DEs.

Quote: There is also the reason why the plant was used as the Gryffindor password. Obviously, such a plant's name being used as a password has its own irony, but also, Book 5 dealt a lot with keeping things secret...

Don't the prefects set passwords? I figured Ron or Hermione did this to be nice to Neville...

also to quote: I think that Snape's mission is to use Occlumency to get into Voldemorts thoughts and minds.

I actually think the fact that Snape is an expert in Occlumency is the reason he can pose as a death eater and not get caught by Voldemort. My biggest question is what made Snape a death eater in the first place and what brought him back?? I think there are a bunch of clues and guessing from the scene in the pensieve, it wouldn't be going out on a limb to say that maybe Lily had something to do with it??

I also wonder about neville's parents and the gum wrappers- in order to give neville so many that his gran makes the comment "she must have given you enough to paper your room" means they have been hoarding them, possibly even having to hide them from the nurses- this could end up being significant I have a feeling

Originally posted by Elektra (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=397771#post397771))
Actually, the younger brother/uncle could still be a blood relative. When a child's parents die, the responsibility for caring for the child first falls with the godparents (obviously, Sirius was not a good candidate at the time, even ignoring the blood tie issue), then the grandparents (as with Neville, but who were probably deceased in Harry's case), and then the eldest aunt or uncle (just like an inheritance issue). If Petunia was the eldest of the Evans children, which I believe she was, that would make her the rightful guardian of Harry.


You're right--I was more worried about the Charm DD talked about, which made Petunia (I was assuming because she was a blood relative) the safest person with whom Harry could live.

And if Harry's uncle does have ties to the magical world, that would be another reason not to leave Harry with him, since Dumbledore wanted to safeguard Harry (both from the Death Eaters and an overgrown ego) by hiding him among Muggles. I think it's likely, though, that Petunia and Lily had a younger sibling that's a Muggle, who married a Muggle (since there aren't supposed to be any witches or wizards in the vicinity of Harry's home), and they had a son Mark, who turns out to be a wizard.


I like your idea on this one, I just couldn't figure out for the life of me how two muggle-borns from the same family could have turned out Wizards/Witches so I went for the marry-a-witch theory. I think it only said that there were no registered Witches or Wizards in Little Whinging, so I figured I was okay there.



I don't think Dumbledore knows exactly to what extent Petunia has kept Harry in the dark, and even if he does, he's not the most forthcoming of individuals unless Harry asks him a direct question or he needs to reveal information important to the task at hand (like at the end of Book 6). I think if there were any other Evans relatives he would have expected Harry to know them through Petunia. However, I don't think Lily was the only member of the Evans family that Petunia was not on good terms with. In the first book she sounded extremely resentful of her parents, and I could see some sort of estrangement happening there before their deaths, and possibly any other siblings who liked and accepted Lily and James or had magical ties themselves. That would make Petunia the black sheep of the Evans family, not Lily. <snip>
Elektra


I totally agree.

Well,

I just had a ride to my family. At least I can think about something best while driving.

So here is one of my thoughts.

The barman in the Hogs Head was Aberforth Dumbledore!
He looked familiar to Harry. He has had a short blink on him as he
saw the pic that was given him by Mad Eye!

What do you think about this?

Regards,
Madelina:o :o poke:

I like the idea that the bartender is Aberfrth, only Mad eye said that he'd only seen him once and surely if he worked in the Hog's head he would've seen him more? Aberforth has some part to play, he's been mentioned more than one and also maybe madam marsh? I'm sure she's been mentioned more than once, and again the same for Dedadulus Diggle (sp).

I think Percy over to the dark side, he wants power and the only way he's gunna get it is being on the dark side. Someone said before that he was in gryffindor not Sytherin, but Wormtail was in Gryffindor wasn't he?

Veritaserum

We don't actually know what house wormtail was in, but it wasn't Slytherin.

I can see Percy begging to come back you know.

Voldemart was actually pursuing - she is the source of the old and future predictions - that's why Dumbledore stepped in to keep her at Hogwarts.
The locked room with the unknown force in the Ministery of Magic will become crucial at one point.
Neville will get the chance to avenge his parents. Wormtail will do his thing in the end. Fudge will continue to subvert Dumbledore, but will do it covertly, not through decrees. Umbridge might become a Death Eater or not, but she isn't done.
Malfoy and Harry have to have a big confrontation - life and death at one point.
Snape will become Harry's friend (if Harry doesn't use the pensieve knowledge to grow up, I'd be disappointed)
http://www.hallo-spass.de/smilies/smilie_zauber.gif

There is one flaw in that Marks Evans-is-a-wizard theory: Fudge has stated that there are no other witches or wizards living in Little Whinging other than Harry Potter. So unless wizards only become registered when they turn 11, then perhaps the mentioning of Mark Evans is just a coincidence.

[i]Originally posted by animagus1369
I like your idea on this one, I just couldn't figure out for the life of me how two muggle-borns from the same family could have turned out Wizards/Witches so I went for the marry-a-witch theory.


That brings up an interesting issue. What makes a person a witch or wizard? I think even if it is purely genetic, it could still account for Muggle-borns producing witches and wizards. Ron indicated early on that the wizarding world has intermarried quite a bit with the Muggle world, and obviously Squibs aren't too rare a phenomenon. I suspect many of them end up living with Muggles just as Mrs. Figg does, and even though they don't develop magical abilities themselves, they could still just as easily pass along the gene for it. Pureblood wizarding families, then, would naturally produce more wizards, whereas Muggle families with magical tendencies might only produce one every few generations. We've seen from Sirius' tapestry that distant family connections aren't always well-remembered in the wizarding world. I mean, Sirius was related to the Malfoys and the Lestranges as well as the Weasleys and Tonks, but he seemed pretty nonplussed about it, like "Yeah, we're related, but I don't know them very well, and it doesn't matter, anyway." If a Witch or Wizard, or even more so, a Squib, married a Muggle and left the wizarding world behind, it would make the connection even less memorable for their magical families. I mean, even the Weasleys, who are as tolerant of Muggles as they come, have a cousin who's an accountant that they don't really speak of. Whose to say the Evans family doesn't have a wizard or witch ancestor back there somewhere, and Lily (and perhaps Mark) were the occassional recipients of their ancestor's magical ability? Or, perhaps its not genetics at all. I


I think it only said that there were no registered Witches or Wizards in Little Whinging, so I figured I was okay there.


You know, there could be a loophole with that. It occurs to me that the Ministry does not have the best of records when it comes to registering wizards. I mean, just look at how many animagi we've met in the books so far who aren't registered. The process seems to be voluntary even though it is required by law; otherwise there'd be some magical quill in the ministry marking down names like there is at Hogwarts when a magical child is born, and we wouldn't have all this business of Rita Skeeter and the Maurauders transfiguring about. Even if witches and wizards are required by law to register their homes with the Ministry, just as animagi are, that doesn't mean there couldn't be a witch or wizard living in Little Whinging that the Ministry doesn't know about. Especially if that witch or wizard is married to a Muggle and lives in the Muggle world. The fact that they don't keep track of Squibs, or really know very much about their ability to see Dementors and such, suggests to me that any of the "fringe" element of the wizarding world isn't so much concern to the Ministry as the regulation of pureblood families.

[i]Originally posted by Prosperine
Don't the prefects set passwords? I figured Ron or Hermione did this to be nice to Neville...


Yeah, but Ron and Hermione were in the Prefect car when Neville presented his little plant to the others. I got the sense that they didn't see it (otherwise, I think Hermione would have piped up with, "Oh, yes, mimbulus mimbletonia...I've read about that...let's see, the uses are...).

Elektra

I definitely think that the mimbulus mimbletonia will be big in the next 2 books, it was mentioned wayy too many times to not come back later
Isn't the next book supposed to be about a green flamed torch, or something?
Maybe if you burn a mimbulus mimbletonia it burns forever in a green flame, so they are the key ingredients in making a green flame torch?
I don't really know much about it, I just woke up so I'm thinking sort of strangely right now. But I think it said in Book 5 that the mimbulus mimbletonia were very rare so I guess it's possible

well, i think that the veil will be explained. also, how sirius died. i mean, why didn't ask dumbledee as to how sirius died? to think that harry's questions are answered in every book (?). Why didn't harry persisted on how sirius died?

hermione's gotta be a headgirl. and maybe ron's gonna be a headboy. there's no way it's gonna be given to non gryfindors. hehehe.

more of luna also... although i'm wondering why she just came up in book 5.. why not earlier.. and a ravenclaw at that.

luna and harry? puh-lease. i'm not gonna be sad about sirius' death anymore if that happens. hehehe

another romance for harry of course. i really like it to be hermione. hehehe... well, ginny too.

also, what will happen to the death eaters that has been captured.

fudge's gonna be dependent to dumbledee again.

percy's gonna BEG for his parents' forgiveness!!!!

and then, there'll be a "post hogwarts" book after book 7. of course we'd want to know after harry's hogwarts.

what did the Order of the Phoenix do before. how was it formed.

i think that's all for now.

Originally posted by remusjlupin1980 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=398905#post398905))
There is one flaw in that Marks Evans-is-a-wizard theory: Fudge has stated that there are no other witches or wizards living in Little Whinging other than Harry Potter. So unless wizards only become registered when they turn 11, then perhaps the mentioning of Mark Evans is just a coincidence.


You're right, assuming that Mark Evans lives in Little Whinging. I was assuming he lived nearby. We have no idea what's right around the area. :)

Originally posted by Elektra (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=398940#post398940))
You know, there could be a loophole with that. It occurs to me that the Ministry does not have the best of records when it comes to registering wizards.

Very good point! (And not just because it makes my theory easier! LOL)

Originally posted by jerb (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=393903#post393903))

Neville's plant is definately important. And the fact that Neville is going to have a new wand.



I think that Neville's plant is the source of some remedy for his parents' insanity, and once he has the new wand and gets into N.E.W.T. potions class, he'll restore his parents' sanity and they'll join the Order.

Whoa.... where did it say that Petunia and Lily had a younger brother??

Originally posted by Arissya_00 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=400672#post400672))
Whoa.... where did it say that Petunia and Lily had a younger brother??


It doesn't. Just a pet theory of ours. ;)

Elektra

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Prosperine
Don't the prefects set passwords? I figured Ron or Hermione did this to be nice to Neville...

I thought the pictures made up the password. In PoA Sir Cadogan kept changing the passwords and Neville made him tell him all of the passwords and they were written down - that's how Sirius got in.

There's also the point that the dementors are under voldemort's controll now.... so if L. Malfoy and the other DE are to be sent to Azkaban, they will be loose again in no time..... ! Voldemort will have a lot of "creatures" on his side in the next two books.... dementors, Giants, centaurs (?!)....

I think that Looney Luna will play a larger role in the next two books.

I also think that more will be revealed about Snape's attitude toward's Harry. Maybe the fact that he is spying on He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named and the fact that Malfoy's father is a Death Eater means he needs to pretend to dislike Harry so Draco doesn't tell his daddy?

Luna I think is a Cassandra figure. She is the oracle that no one believes, though in her case quite a bit of it shouldn't be believed. Most of what Luna says is rubbish but she does have some deeper insights and the problem is that no one has any reliable way of sorting out truth from rubbish. Even at the end, when Harry talks to Luna he's a trifle uncertain about her.

Here are some amusing statements from chapter twenty nine "Career Advice"

"--which means that this boy has as much chance of becoming an Auror as Dumbledore has of ever returning to this school." - Umbridge

"There may be a new Minister of Magic by the time that Potter is ready to join!" - McGonagll

and of course:

"We've got as much chance of winning the Quidditch Cup this year as Dad's got of becoming Minister of Magic.." - Ron

Not that these quotes mean anything, but they are rather amusing.

[i]Originally posted by Mutant for Hire

"We've got as much chance of winning the Quidditch Cup this year as Dad's got of becoming Minister of Magic.." - Ron


OK, that seals it for me. Fudge is going to be fired, and Mr. Weasley is going to take his place as MOM. Rowling said she had to put some hints in Book 5 so we wouldn't be blindsided by developments in Book 6, and I thought Mr. Weasley becoming MOM was a possibility even before Seer!Ron said it.

Oh, I can't wait to see the look on Malfoy's face!

Elektra

Wait, I don't think centaurs are gonna be on Voldemort's side. REmember they do no service to anyone, and i think they'd rather die than serve or even help someone.

Mark Evans is the son of Lily and Petunia's adopted younger brother (as yet unnamed), who because of his sister Lily knew all about witches and wasn't in the least freaked out by the idea of marrying one, which he did.

While I agree that the mark evans kid will probably turn out to be a new student neither of his parents can be a witch/warlock. Remember during Harry's trial the MoM mentioned that there were no other magical family's living near Harry.

about the centaurs.... I didn't really think that they will help voldemort (I put the (?!) behind it), but they will be an uncertain factor in the upcomming war... just as the giants are....( they keep fighting amongst themselves so much that a giant-leader wouldn't last long enough to join voldie...and we still got hagrid's "little" brother to be taking into account too)...

Also the Susan bones link will have to be more worked out in the next book (remember moody saying that the entire bones family, except for a sister of an order member, died.... is Susan her child or her survivng nice ?!)

and we also still have the magic mirror sirius gave harry.... will harry be able to find the second mirror (the one that sirius had) so that he can stay in conntact with his friends ?!

Susan would be her surviving niece because Madam Amelia Bones is Susan's aunt. I think alot of people are expecting something major out of Susan Bones because she was one of the few mentioned in the movie.

Good point about the Giants. It is hard to help someone when you keep fighting among yourselves. But Grawp will have an impact on the story, don't know how though.

Originally posted by Thuldorn (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=404128#post404128))
While I agree that the mark evans kid will probably turn out to be a new student neither of his parents can be a witch/warlock. Remember during Harry's trial the MoM mentioned that there were no other magical family's living near Harry.


No, they actually said that there were none in *Little Whinging*, not that there were none living anywhere near Harry. Odds would be that *someone* is bound to live near Harry, just not necessarily in L.W.

And as someone else suggested, the Ministry doesn't seem to be overly good at registering and keeping track of the things they're supposed to be keeping track of--unless it's magic at #4 Privet Drive.

My Pet Theory: I'm pretty convinced that Voldemort will end the series as a ghost - Nick's reason for becoming a ghost was fear of death and what lies beyond, and Voldemort has the same fear as we are reminded over and over. It may seem like a daft theory, but it makes sense to me. :D

And Mark Evans seems to be a pretty big hint for us. As does a new reference to Aberforth, as though JKR is reminding us of his existance. Grawp is there for a reason other than what we've seen so far, as is Luna, and I think Ron's mention of his father becoming Minister for Magic is another hint. I also hope Harry takes Mrs. Figg up on her offer of tea during the summer between 5th and 6th Year.

Has anyone noticed that veil is an anagram of evil I think thats going to be significant somehow.

I'd like to know what magical powers DD's watch has. It was mentioned again in book 5 and is clearly magical with it's 12 arms.

Perhaps something like mrs Weasleys clock?

This may seem a bit far fetched, but here goes:

Building on the theory of the veil, Harry might be able to enter and find a way to exit, so he wiill be able to help the order somehow by talking to dead or something, so he keeps altrernating between the world and fterworld

Just a thougt

I don't think Mark Evans is a wizard, because surely he would have done some accidental magic like Harry does, so Dudley would be scared off.

My other theory is that Harry is the only young wizard who does accidental magic- maybe its because of Voldemort putting powers into him- but that would explian why the MOM keep such a close watch on him. It does kinda reck my Mark Evans not being a wizard theory though!

The veil is definatly important, but I don't think it will be repeated- that doesn't really happen much- it was a book 5 thing, so it will stay like that. I like the heliotrophs being in the locked room though. I am sure the room does not contain pure love or whatever- that is the most cheesy cliched thing I can think of, and Harry Potter isn't like that.

I definatly think the veil is important. Sirius have a scared look on his face when he realized he was going to fall into the veil, and some people were tempted to walk through it. I think it is pure evil.

Originally posted by Steffie (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=405612#post405612))
and we also still have the magic mirror sirius gave harry.... will harry be able to find the second mirror (the one that sirius had) so that he can stay in conntact with his friends ?!


Harry doesn't have his mirror anymore. When he threw it into his trunk it shattered, if I remember correctly. What would be the use of just one without the other?

He could fix the mirror with the Reparo spell though, couldn't he?

A lot of people seem to think the veil Sirius fell through is the epitome of evil and I can't figure out why - Luna said, at the end of the book, that she would see her mother again someday - meaning, behind that veil. That whole conversation didn't have an evil overtone to it, but then again, who knows!

I have a sneaky feeling about the gum wrappers Neville's mother keeps giving him as well. A form of protection, perhaps? Any thoughts?

I think that the room in the MoM dealing with the brains has something to do with it. I was freaking out for a sec in the end when Ron was attacked by one of them. I find it a bit peculiar why the ministry has a room full of brains...

Personally, i think that they are the souls of people who have been "kissed" by the dementors...

Just a thought

I agree with the theory about Mark Evans. i got really excited when I noticed his name.

There could also be some significance to Petunia remembering about dementors. She said she heard James tell Lily about it. Well, Lily only started going out with James in their 7th year, that might also be the same year Petunia overheard James talk about dementors. But why would James need to tell Lily about dementors, wouldn't she already know? it's the kind of thing to be discussed in DADA.

My theory is maybe James told Lily soemthing about dementors, which we don't know yet--and Petunia overheard them, maybe it's something really horrible since she still remembers it.

And remember their O.W.L.S in Astrnonomy? everytime Harry was about to label Venus in his chart, something distracts him. There could be some significance to that since Dumbledore hired Firenze to teach Divination.

Did any of you noticed that Harry marked Venus as Mars in his O.W.L.'s? Mars bringer of battle..............

Hello!
I dont know where this should be posted but the prophecy,does anyone here want Neville to turn out to be the prophecised child,i know i dont ,it would take all the magic of the book away,everything about Harry,the mystery .Plus is the thing which Harry has that voldemort doesnt the thing which saved Harry from Voldemort.I hope not i want more to it ,I bleived there was more.
Plus I dont think that it should turn out Neville to be the prophecised child becaus eof what it would take away from the books and our feeling about Harry also I think that there is fact that it is Harry which JK cannot turn back on :Remember only someone who the prophecy is about can remove the prophecy from the shelf,well Harry did and nothing happened to him,Neville didnt so Harry is the prophecised child definitely.
Well he better be or im gonna do alot of complaining and shouting and maybe some crying too.
ok sorry just very concerned about that prophecy thing.
Bye^_^

Hey, there is a topic here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11217) about the prophecy which would help you into understanding it better and I believe they have discussed about Neville...

But the phophecy is a big foreshadowing to the next 2 books..obviously! Poor Harry on his Astrology owl...I hope they all get a special mark thing granted for them considering the whole class will have done badly and it wasn't there fault. But yes, I did notice about Mars lol, interesting. So is the fact Firenze talks about horrible times ahead in the second war, now I know he tells us he's not always right but he's not made a mistake yet has he?!

Originally posted by millerbrad (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=395912#post395912))
- THE VEIL: Did Sirius become a dementor when he fell through the veil? That's my crazy new theory...


I love that theory! How does one become a Dementor anyway? It seemed that everyone (well, adults anyway) knew that once you went behind the veil, you couldn't come back.

Sirius had better not become a dementor, I need some comfort over his death and it's not helping all the evil theories about the veil! Sirius was just scared because he wasn't sure what would happ....oh now you've made me worried!

I'm just going to sit in a corner over here and wallow in my misery.

I'm curious about a bit at the beginning. Vernon grabbed Harry's arm when Harry had just hurt his head, and pain surged through Harry making Vernon let go as though he'd got a shock (...or felt the pain). Was this something to do with the protection over Harry that he's had since he was one? Did it see Vernon as a threat? Or maybe something to do with Voldemort... Voldemort not wanting to be 'touched' by a Muggle...? Or it could have been something entirely new.

Originally posted by Morgoth (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=392637#post392637))
Bellatrix is the 22nd brightest star in the sky and means "Warrioress," ;) JK is definately looking to the stars for inspiration.


Yeah, but it's still strange that Regulus is named after the impenetrable heart of the lion.

It might make more sense somehow to think of his name with the Latin meaning 'rule'.

Here's what I think will be important:

1. The Veil- maybe it has something to do with why LV's evil?

2. Petunia- she knows a little too much about the wizarding world to be just any ordinary muggle

3. Gum Wrappers- They definately weren't mentioned for no reason

4. Luna & The Quibbler- They didn't include all her useless nonsense for nothing!

5. The Mirror- what if Harry can find the other mirror and slip it into the veil?? Could he communicate with Sirius?

6. The Other Room in the Dept. of Mysteries- I think that all of the rooms there will play important parts in the other books- ie the brain room, etc.

7. Mark EVANS- definately not a coincidence.

8. Ghosts- there was too much about ghosts in the last chapter for them not to play an important part in the next two books.

8. Sorting Hat- There's definately more to this hat than sorting students and singing a song. We already learned this when Harry pulled the sword from it.

9. Umbridge- I have a gut feeling we haven't seen the last of her.

10. SPEW/Dobby- JKR has mentioned these too many times for them to be useless filler. We already know that house elves have strong magical powers after they're freed from servitude. Will they help the order fight Voldemort?

11. Magonagal- something in my mind tells me that the fact that she is an anamagi will be important in the next two books.


Some questions I want answered:

1. What did Harry's parents do for a living?

2. Why did Voldemort want to kill Harry if he didn't know the prophecy?

3. What were the three things that Harry & Neville's parents did against LV?

4. What is up with Snape?? There's still something we don't know about him. He still seems a little too mysterious. We learned a little more about his past, but why did he become a death eater? and why did he turn good?


Man I can't wait another minute for Book 6!!!

I hope people don't become dementors when they die! That'd be worse than being a ghost!

Maybe Neville's Mom is writing him secret notes on those gum wrappers? Yeah, I think they'll turn out to be significant in some way.

Definitely, Mr. Weasley will be the next Minister of Magic. That would put Percy in his place...having to suck up to his own father. HA!

Poor Sirius. He's my favorite character - ARGH!!! The VEIL will turn out to be very important. I wonder where she got that idea from? I've had a similar real life experience to that, and always used that same word.

I've been convinced since book 3 that Harry & Dumbledoor have a rather unique connection that JKR has been hinting about since Book 1/Chapter 1. Nobody seems to make this jump in logic other than me and I'm reluctant to post my theory 'cause it may be so important to the outcome of book 7 it would be like ruining Christmas for everyone. If you want me to post it tho, just say so and we can debate about it.

The name Susan Bones always intrigued me because there is a real life Wiccan book writer named Susan Bowes, and I think she's English too. Do you think it's a homage?

I too want to know what Harry's parents did for a living. Was hoping it would be exposed in this book. Anyone think that Petunia will end up having latent magical abilities?

Possible clues? A lot I think. A lot of things were left hanging in there so I JK must have dropped lots of hints.'

1. Aunt Petunia-What's really up with her? Is she a Squib or a witch who turned her back on the magical world?

2. The Veil. This is one of the things hanging in midair. What is behind that veil and can someone get through it and come back?

3. That power Dumbledore's talking about. I still don't get it so I think we will be discovering it in the next books.

4. The mirror. Maybe Harry gets the other mirror in Grimmauld Place and gives it to someone. Ron, perhaps?

5. Centaurs. What's up with them? Why do they think humans are inferior to them?

6. Grawp. I think JK's giving us a hint that giants will join Dumbledore.

Neville wouldn't have picked Harry's wand--Dumbledore says that it was Voldemort's attack that made Harry the one.
I agree that locked room isn't a room of fire--it's the one Dumbledore spoke of, and it has something to do with love.

I think that the Longbottoms aren't quite as insane as we think, that Lucius Malfoy is giving donations to St. Mungo's to make sure that they are kept quiet. The gum wrappers could well be messages, maybe just a word on each or something, and Neville hasn't realised that they mean something.

I think the veil is a passage straight to death. I think if he could have, Sirius would have become a ghost so he could keep an eye on Harry. I don't think he was afraid of death like Sir Nick, but he didn't really get to live his life either. I'm guessing that the veil is how Voldemort will be killed too, because if falling through it means you can't be a ghost then he wouldn't be able to come back in any shape or form.

And Neville wouldn't have gotten Harry's wand. It's the wand chooses the wizard, no?

Fairylights--I sure hope that you are right about the Longbottoms! I think that theory makes a lot sense!

Actually that is a faint hope of mine. You wonder why Malfoy would be making all those donations of gold to St. Mungo's. Granted he could be doing it just to look nice, but with Malfoy, well, anyone want to wonder how that Devil's Snare plant managed to get into the hospital? Remember that the staff there had to get top marks in Herbology...

Voldermort wanted to kill Harry because he thought he was fulfilling the terms of the prophecy that he had heard. Remember, Voldermort (or the evesdropper, I'm thinking Peter Pettigew or Mundungus Fletcher - thrown out of the bar years ago) only heard the part about the boy being born in July and his parents had defeated Voldermort 3 times.

Does anyone think that Snape and Lily had a thing that may be revealed in later books? Obviously the Penseive is also important.

The closed ward was named after Janus somebody too. Janus was some god with two faces, right? That also makes me think that there is more to what happens in the closed ward than meets the eye, that the loyalties of some healers could be torn in two directions.

I think Neville's wand breaking will be important. He states that it was his Dad's old wand. Shouldn't Neville have had his own wand given that the wand chooses the wizard. I think this will be important in the future.

The gum wrapper theory is an interesting one. I like that theory.

Originally posted by millerbrad (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=395912#post395912))
- THE VEIL: Did Sirius become a dementor when he fell through the veil? That's my crazy new theory...


Sirius is not a dementor, Sirius won't come back to life! He is dead. The veil represents the thin veil that lies between the world of the living and the world of the dead. JKR was trying to make a point with it, to show how easy it is for one to "slip" behind the veil- how precarious life is, and how you never know when you're going to slip behind the veil into the world of the dead. It's symbolism!!! And what Luna said to Harry is true- the dead are not that far away, just on the other side.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned: I haven't really been paying close attention.. But I think Harry might be a Metamorphmagi.. Theres a big clue going alll the way back to chapter 2(I think) of book 1 where Petunia has most of Harry's ahir(except for bangs) chopped off.. But overnight it suddenly grows back.. and no matter what she tries to do, his hair will always be that same style. hmmm... Maybe? we'll see.
Also, pay close attention to everything in the Quibller(sp?) I am almost sure that some of that bizzare stuff is gonna affect the next 2 books..

i dunno, i think that was just his magic getting the better of him. if he was a metamorphagus, he'd know it, i'm sure. that's still a curious point, and def. argueable, though....

Did you notice that line that Snape never eats with the order. Do you reckon that this points to something?

I agree Neville's broken wand is an important clue. He might have a new wand which might be the same kind as Harry's and Voldermort's or Bellatrix's (?) . Fudge might be up to something nasty with his army that Luna mentioned. Mark Evans might come to Hogwarts. Grawp might be able to help the Order to persuade the Giants to join Dumbledore. Harry might be able to use Occlumency to get in Voldermort's mind. A whole lot of Slytherin's will turn Death eaters,just like before.

New to the boards I have enjoyed reading them thus far and very happy to see the well thought out theories and what not. : )

I agree on the Neville's broken wand being important. I can't but help liking Neville, it has to be rough growing up in the shadow of how great his parents are. I think his awkwardness is a self made ruse (I just think he has not found a reason to believe in himself yet but as others start to believe in him that will change) and as he starts to come into his own we will see big big things out of Neville yet.

Also, I completely thought the same thing about the gum wrappers that Neville's mom keeps giving him being clues. I mean for Alice to follow Neville out and to make sure he gets them everytime just seems too much of a clue for me to ignore as not being important. I just had the feeling that they were not as sick/insane as everyone would have you believe (atleast I hope not I would love for them to get well and come back into the story). L. Malfoy's donations to the St. Mungo's seemed awfully suspicious to me as well after the glimpse we got of Neville's mom Alice.

Will be quite interesting to see what unfolds in the next book I can't wait.

Raey

I agree with most of the points mentioned, but I also think that madame maxime (headmistress en hagrid's girlfriend) en gwarp will prove to be a BIG help with the giant issue (maybe even helped by gwarp's girlfriend to be ?!).

The centaurs in the forest seem to have passified at the end of the book, because DD could just walk in and rescue umbridge (wish he hadn't :angel: ), so even if they decide not to help DD, they will not help Voldie's side, because they will not help any humans.

Also Krum and Fleur may play a bigger part in the next books. Remember they were both casually mentioned in this book (fleur working at the bank with the older weasley brother and Hermy writing to krum). Fleur may help to try and get the goblins on DD's side and Krum might help with the giants (remember he's from eastern europe (and his school is somewhere up in the mountains) and so are the giants)

Hey everyone! I'm new to the message boards, but having a great time!!
I have two thoughts:
About the gum wrappers, I'm not sure that they mean anything. If I were in Neville's shoes, and that is the one thing that I got from my mother, I might keep them too, just to have something to hold on to. But then I can't help but remember all the times that I read something in JKR's books, thinking it was nothing, and thinking later 'why didn't i remember that?'
Second: About that Evens kid. Does anyone know what Lily and Petunia's maden name? I thought there might be a connection there. I think that Petunia knows more than she's letting on.

I'm glad to see that there are more people out there that are as addicted to Harry Potter as I am!!

Lily and Petunia's maiden name was definately Evans. But if Mark Evan's dad was a brother of Lily, then why didn't Dumbledore send Harry to him? It's all very odd. And Fudge said there were no other wizards apart from Harry in Little Whinding. But then again, that is Fudge talking. It' hard to believe that JKR called him Evans for no reason though.

We have to note this: Not once has there been a mention of an adopted brother/sisterd/cousin/whatever of LIly's/Petunia's. So we can rule that theory out.
And I believe that Mark Evans has a reaons for being in the book, and in the story overall, we're just not sure why yet.
However, you have to note as well - when Harry saw his family in the Mirror of Eresid in Book 1, both the Evans' and the Potter clan were there. And we knew that Petunia's parents were proud of Lily going to Hogwarts. But what if Lily's/Petunia's parents had brothers/sisters? Or James' parents?
And note at the end of Book 1, Hagrid takes a day off to fix a photo album for Harry 'wrote to all your parents' old schoolfriends...' he says. We know who James' schoolfriends' were - Sirius, Remus, and Peter - but what about Lily's friends? Could they be Hestia and Evageline from the Order of the Phoenix?

Here's my little theory, its quite far fetched but anywhoozits....

The sky in the Great Hall was mentioned alot of times, particularly being grey when Harry wasn't in a good mood. I think, this could be a way to track Harry and maybe other students thoughts and feelings by Dumbeldore.

ie DDore can tune into the sky, and each student and it will tell him how they are feeling, thats how he knows lots about Harry.

As I said far fetched but thats what i think :)

I've just remembered about old Kakaroff. I think he might be back in the next one. It's possible that he might return to Voldermort and use Krum as a spy on Dumbledore cos there were quite a lots going on with Krum and Hermione in the last books.

I thinkthe goblins will do something in the fight too. That goblin family Bill mentioned that was murdered by Voldemort (or his Death Eaters) would surely want revenge.

i completely thought of the veil leading to death, but the crazy theory of falling through the veil to become a dementor appeals to me. I just realized that Harry and Luna both hear voices from behind the veil...and it's been mentioned that the dementors are deaf. is there any connection between the voices/sound and loss of hearing....?? hmm..

OK I am TOTALLY in love with the Mark Evans is a wizard theory. Ok so we know he dosn't live in Little Whinding, and the most likley scenario was that his father was the adopted muggle brother of lilly and petunia evans. just one problem. The dursleys are harry's only living reletives dumbledore says so on p.13 of book 1. dumbledore could have ment blood reletives but as dumbledore seems to know everything that goes on with harrys life it seems unlikly that he dosnt know about mark evans. mark was beat up on harrys birthday so i think jk is hinting at SOMTHING. not quite sure what. if mark is infact a wizard he wouldeither have to arrive in the 5th if his birthday was afther august 2 and before september first, or 6th book if his b-day was anytime else so im really hoping to see markin the next book

I have a prediction... Harry, Neville, Ron and Hermione will all get Es on their OWLs in potions so that they can continue with snape's class.

I was re-reading the first novel in the series last night when I came across something Dumbledore said: "After all, to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." Taking this into account, and how much he determined he is to help Harry, I think it's likely that, if need be, Dumbledore may sacrifice himself to help Harry in the last book to help defeat Voldermort. Dumledore if apparently not afraid of death (as Voldermort obviously is), and it would be a death befitting the great man Dumbledore is. (The way Sirus died irked me; I thought it was a rather cheap way for him to die.)

I'm reaching into book 4 for this one, but this quote keeps coming into my mind, I wondered what you guys thought about it:
Goblet of Fire, page 696, Harry is explaining to DD what happened in the graveyard, and states that Vol---sorry, you know who could touch him, Harry says, "he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face." the next line is: "For a fleeting instand, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dunbledor's eyes."

I thought this was interesting. A friend of mine thought this might mean that DD is really more evil than you-know-who, but I really can't believe that. I thought this might be significant considering DD's role in book 5.
Any thoughts?

NotAMuggle there is a great thread on Dumbledore being evil in the Great Hall. Try a search. I will edit it in if I find it soon....

to tessa's comment, i dont think that snape and lily had a thing. if they did, and if he was bitter because james won her over with his perfect charm and suave attitude, i think snape would be nicer to harry, because despite having the blood of his enemy, harry also has the blood of the woman that, according to this assumption, snape had adored/had a crush on/loved/whatever. plus jk said that we shouldnt warm up to snape just yet, that we should definitely keep an eye on him, and unless he wronged lily or defiled her (not likely to have happened, seeing as a large fraction of the audience is composed of children) or something terrible, i dont see lily being involved in any future plot element with snape that would make us hate snape more.

also, at the end of book 4, (p 651 american copy by scholastic) voldie says of several missing death eaters that one is too cowardly to return (karkaroff), one has already reentered in service (barty crouch jr), and the other voldie says "i believe has left me forever. . . he will be killed of course" (snape). after reading 5, i figured that snape was really on the good side, just misunderstood with all his spy work, and that he would die an honorable and redeeming death or something on those lines............ but after what JK said, i dont know what to think! :??:

My guess is that Mark Evans is an orphan. And! how do wizards know who is a wizard in a Muggle community? I always thought it was right when they are about to be enrolled into Hogwarts. So since Mark Evans is ten, perhaps nobody knows he's a wizard yet.

Clues of significance:

1. The eavesdropper

2. The barman

3. The perhaps incomplete prophecy

4. The veil

5. The planets ::Pluto being blown up

6. Firenze and Trelawney ::duo insights!::

7. Gumwrappers maybe

8. Department of Mysteries

9. Neville's plant

10. Lily's eyes

11. Neville getting a new wand

I think there has to be something more to dumbledore's brother Aberforth. J.K. made a point of pointing him out in the old picture of the Order of the Phoenix. It never said if he was killed or what even happened to him. There has to be more to him.

I think that the "awful boy" who told Lily about the dementors was not James. I think that Petunia spied on Lily to get her in trouble--much like Snape did to the Marauders at Hogwarts. I think this is why she knows something of the wizarding world.

JK loves to introduce something and give a perfectly reasonable INCORRECT explanation to throw us off track (i.e. sneakascopes).

Originally posted by Elektra (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=394569#post394569))
And Sirius is the Dog Star. Heehee.

Elektra


Which also happens to be the star the ancient Egyptians looked at to determine the beginning and end of the Nile's flood cycle. Sirius' death probably means something will start happening. Maybe the Death Chamber will fill with water and drown all those heliotrophs... heh

Regulus Black will definitely be back - perhaps as the person who heard the Prophecy... his death date coincides well enough...

The Room of Requirements will make a comeback, possibly more important that before.

And the room in the Department of Mysteries that can never be opened will be explained, maybe as well as the thing that kept turning the Death Eater into a baby's head and back.

when moody shows harry the photo of the order, he mentions "Edgar Bones. . . brother of Amelia Bones, they got him and his family too, he was a great wizard." In ss, a girl named Susan Bones is sorted into Hufflepuff with Harry's class. Was Edgar her father? or perhaps was Amelia her mother? if the got "him and his family," then is Susan an orphan too??????? o_O

Susan Bones stated later in the book that Edgar Bones was his Uncle.

Originally posted by SnowyOwl (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=460456#post460456))
I think that the "awful boy" who told Lily about the dementors was not James. I think that Petunia spied on Lily to get her in trouble--much like Snape did to the Marauders at Hogwarts. I think this is why she knows something of the wizarding world.


I am beginning to think that "awful boy" is not James either, but I am beginning to wonder if it was Snape. I can't remember who posted it where but I do wonder if Snape did not live near the Evan's family. In one of his memories doesn't a little girl make fun of him that could have been Petunia, someone said they thought it was Lily but now I think it was her sister. Petunia would be one to laugh at someone like that she was nosy and liked to spy on her neighbors.

Going to be interesting to see how this all plays out in book 6/7.

Raey

I just had a rather chilling thought about a possible conclusion. Since wizards can pull thoughts out of their mind for transferring to the pensieve, perhaps they can do the same thing with their magical power to be held in another device. Dumbledore could do that and then transfer all of his power to Harry, so that Harry has the power and skill necessary to fight Voldemort. Of course this leaves DD vulnerable to being killed quite easily, which of course happens. In this scenario, the 'weapon' that the Dark Lord knows not is being loved by someone enough that he would give up all his powers

Well, I think that Regulus Black is going to be mentioned again -- I liked the theory someone had a while back, that Regulus was posing as Stubby Boardman, and he looked enough like Sirius that people thought he was Sirius...hence, the Quibbler article.

Secondly, I think that some of Luna's crazy beliefs are true. After all, people would think she was crazy if she told them about the thestrals and they didn't know what thestrals were. She's definitely going to be back, and I think more will be revealed about her.

3. I think we might find out more about the silver instrument that is in Dumbledore's office -- the one in the scene before Harry and Co. travel back to Grimmauld Place. He says something to it, like "but in essence divided?" and then the smoke snake splits into two snakes. It's never explained...

4. Why can hagrid see the thestrals? Who did he see die? his dad? or someone else?

5. We're going to find out who the hog's head barman is and why he looks familiar to Harry.

--Dedalus, I like your theory. :) I don't want DD to die, of course, but I think you might have a vaild argument.

Actually I think that the Barman is Aberforth Dumbledore. Check out the HP Lexicon for info on why.

i think the sixth book is gonna be like harry trying to uncover the secrets of death, id love to think that sirius is still alive but dumbledore does call that room with the veil the death chamber so thatreally sux

Ok lets look at whats right in front of us before we get ahead of overselves:

The Viel, and the DoM: We know we will visit this place again, for whatever reason J.K. will lead us there because of harry's desire to understand Surius death. Ow, and the door refered to by dumbledore .. ya that will be opened no question.

Gwarp: This I am sure is leading up to one thing, gaints.. at some point they will come in to play. I expect this to be some where i the sixth book.

Centars: We know that this will play apart, why else bring them into the mix? An unlooked for ally?

The DA- As most of you probley can see it is the "future" order.. you look at the members..they fit perfectly..

The Room of Requirement and The Mirror of Erised: These to remind me of each other, I feel we will see both of them again, they are powerful tools.. think, what more does harry need then a way to defeat volde? where can he get what he needs..

Life Debt: This is a theroy of mine, we know that Peter will save harry at some time. because harry saved him. And we know that Snape worked long and hard to save harry, because he felt that he was still in debt to james. What if snape a death eater, hears of the planned attack on the potters and switches sides trying to save james? that way dumbledore would know he really had traded sides, becuase he had a life debt. just some thoughts..

Yeah, AvadaKedavra, I had read that theory somewhere. I hope it's true -- but even if it isn't, I hope we find out who he is, and why he seems familiar to Harry. :D

Oh, and I forgot to say the Centaurs -- especially Firenze. I can't wait to see how he and Trelawny work together.

I want to know who Madam Marsh is, she was mentioned in both OotP and PoA as the witch who leaves the Knight Bus before Harry, and I don't get why J.K R would mention her - twice - if she doesn't play a part later on, (maybe the new DADA teacher?)

have you guys noticed that Harry has now experienced all three unforgivables? Avada when he was a child, Imperious and Crucio.

We know that GOF is the turning point of the series. We see now that Harry has just attempted the Cruciatious. Next book I think it'll be the imperious he'll try and finally the Avada!

Originally posted by fallsauce (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=464720#post464720))
I want to know who Madam Marsh is, she was mentioned in both OotP and PoA as the witch who leaves the Knight Bus before Harry, and I don't get why J.K R would mention her - twice - if she doesn't play a part later on, (maybe the new DADA teacher?)


It's not impossible, but I think she's just a running joke (she's always travel sick, and no wonder with the bus jumping around).

Originally posted by fallsauce (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=464720#post464720))
I want to know who Madam Marsh is, she was mentioned in both OotP and PoA as the witch who leaves the Knight Bus before Harry, and I don't get why J.K R would mention her - twice - if she doesn't play a part later on, (maybe the new DADA teacher?)


It's possible that Rowling could develop the character later on, but honestly I think she's just one of the Knight Bus characters, like Stan and Ernie. Every bus route has at least one little old lady that's a regular passenger, and for the Knight Bus, I suspect it's Madame Marsh.

Elektra

This is one of my usual "out in left field" idea.

What if Sybil didn't know the entire prophecy? What if there is more to the prophecy than what Sybil, DD, or Voldy know?

Perhaps that the prophecy told in this book is merely part one of two or so on.

If you know anything about prophecies, there are always other prophecies to come. If you will, this could be merely just one of the prophecies. Perhaps, the hidden room has the other one. The key to the fulfillment of Harry's destiny.

This prophecy in Book 5 can be clarified. It is still much too vague to think that this is it. I just have a feeling that JKR is setting us up for something even more astonishing.

I think JKR gave us as much as we needed to know.

Also, at the end of the book there was something very telling. When Molly was dealing with the Boggart (earlier in the book) she was worried about what was going to happen to Ginny and Ron. At the end of the book, everyone had stepped up to help look after Harry after Sirius' uneventful departure. (Understatement of the year!) Anyways, I have a feeling that this group will begin to dwindle in it's numbers. Also, I think Lupin will become even more important in Harry's life. (As everyone can probably see!)

Lupin has met Harry. Harry didn't have the opportunity to really know his parents. Harry knew Lupin before he even knew Sirius. I think in many ways, Lupin's death will be equally as hard for him. That's just my thinking.

Also, is anyone here wishing that JKR kills of Filch. Does this man really serve a useful purpose? Not in my book. Good grief. His love of Umabridge sealed the deal for me. Mrs. Norris can live, but Filch has got to go. UGH!

I think the barman looking familiar to Harry is a clue; I like the theory that he is Aberforth could be right. Also the person who overheard the prophecy - who is he?

Grawp must have some other part to play.

The thestrals will have more importance. I don't think they were introduced just so Harry and Co. could fly to the D.o.M

Originally posted by bksvqb_12 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=463902#post463902))
Ok lets look at whats right in front of us before we get ahead of overselves:

The Viel, and the DoM: We know we will visit this place again, for whatever reason J.K. will lead us there because of harry's desire to understand Surius death. Ow, and the door refered to by dumbledore .. ya that will be opened no question.

Gwarp: This I am sure is leading up to one thing, gaints.. at some point they will come in to play. I expect this to be some where i the sixth book.

Centars: We know that this will play apart, why else bring them into the mix? An unlooked for ally?

The DA- As most of you probley can see it is the "future" order.. you look at the members..they fit perfectly..

The Room of Requirement and The Mirror of Erised: These to remind me of each other, I feel we will see both of them again, they are powerful tools.. think, what more does harry need then a way to defeat volde? where can he get what he needs..

Life Debt: This is a theroy of mine, we know that Peter will save harry at some time. because harry saved him. And we know that Snape worked long and hard to save harry, because he felt that he was still in debt to james. What if snape a death eater, hears of the planned attack on the potters and switches sides trying to save james? that way dumbledore would know he really had traded sides, becuase he had a life debt. just some thoughts..


aside from the room of requirement and the mirror of erised, i think you're pretty much dead on with everything thing else. especially the life debt part. some part of me believes that in one way or another, wormtail will save harry's life because harry had once saved his life. wormtail might play a bigger part to voldy's defeat than we all realize. i really hope the DA continues on in the next book. i really enjoyed reading the DA in OotP.

About the DA being the future Order, I don't see it. The only Order members we know really are McGonnagol, Dumbledore, Sirius, Moody, Lupin, Tonks and the Weasleys. Oh and Snape too, but I don't trust him.
Then we have Harry, Hermione, Ron, Neville, Ginny and Luna. I suppose Hermione is sort of like McGonnagol, and Ginny's getting to be like Tonks, but how does everyone else fit? If someone could please explain the thinking there I'd be very grateful.
Thanks,
Fairylights

Originally posted by millerbrad (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=395912#post395912))


- THE VEIL: Did Sirius become a dementor when he fell through the veil? That's my crazy new theory...



My GOD! thats a great theory! maybe somehow. when the Sirius-dementor goes in to "kiss" Harry MAYBE he'll realize what hes doing and who hes doing it to and not do it and change back!! (what? im still in denial ok? SIRIUS IS NOT DEAD!:'( )

Operating under the assumption that Voldemort dies at the end of the series, I don't see that DA will become part of the Order. Wasn't the order formed to fight Volde? Unless someone comes in at the end and kind of replaces Volde (my theory: Malfoy), there would be little need for the Order. I am also guessing that Harry becomes an aoura (sp?) and work for the Ministry.

I don't think people become dementors when they die. That's terrible! I'd rather be a ghost!

Err....Just a few thoughts...

I think the whole story of Regulus Black still has to be told. He was mentioned for a reason...Is he really dead?

Another small thing is that James Potter always seemed to be carrying around a golden snitch. Does this have something to do with the Potter family's history and ability in Quidditch?

I think there were some big clues with Dudley in the first few chapters. First off, the relationship between Dudley and Harry seems to be getting closer. Although they still hate each other, they talk now (a teasing, more brotherly tone). Harry saved Dudley from the dementors without thinking twice, even after all Dudley has done to him over the years. Also Dudley's reaction to the Dementor will play some role. What was his worst thought? Although I don't think Dudley is magical I think there is good in him, and he will help Harry someway in the future.

Finally Mark Evans is the most obvious clue. He has to be related to Harry some way. JKR doesn't drop hints like that and not follow up on them. (i.e. Anabella Figg)

Originally posted by Prosperine

Don't the prefects set passwords? I figured Ron or Hermione did this to be nice to Neville...



I always thought the portraits themselves set the passwords, because i remember sir cadogen "changing the password every week" in the third book.

some things that i thought were important:

-neville's plant (the stinksap reference was used sooo many times! "she looked like she was forced to swallow stinksap...her face looked like stinksap..etc..")

-the barman at hog's head (i think it's aberforth dumbledore)

-luna lovegood (she must be smart if she's in ravenclaw)

that's all i can think of for now, oh and

Originally posted by fairylights (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=441700#post441700))
Lily and Petunia's maiden name was definately Evans. But if Mark Evan's dad was a brother of Lily, then why didn't Dumbledore send Harry to him? It's all very odd. And Fudge said there were no other wizards apart from Harry in Little Whinding. But then again, that is Fudge talking. It' hard to believe that JKR called him Evans for no reason though.


here's my crazy theory: mark evans was the love child of lily's father and another woman then he put the boy up for adoption and lily and petunia never knew about him. mark was adopted into a muggle family without ever knowing he's a wizard. and fudge said that there were no other wizards living in little whinging because mark was not old enough to be 'spotted' as a wizard

and

Originally posted by Raeyne (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=460773#post460773))
I am beginning to think that "awful boy" is not James either, but I am beginning to wonder if it was Snape. I can't remember who posted it where but I do wonder if Snape did not live near the Evan's family. In one of his memories doesn't a little girl make fun of him that could have been Petunia, someone said they thought it was Lily but now I think it was her sister. Petunia would be one to laugh at someone like that she was nosy and liked to spy on her neighbors.

Going to be interesting to see how this all plays out in book 6/7.

Raey


excellent theory! i automatically assumed it was james potter but this theory also makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by fairylights (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=441700#post441700))
Lily and Petunia's maiden name was definately Evans. But if Mark Evan's dad was a brother of Lily, then why didn't Dumbledore send Harry to him? It's all very odd. And Fudge said there were no other wizards apart from Harry in Little Whinding. But then again, that is Fudge talking. It' hard to believe that JKR called him Evans for no reason though.


I'm thinking more along the lines that if Mark Evans is related to Lily and Petunia that it isn't do to them having had a brother. More that their father had a brother and Mark is his grandson, making him Harry's second cousin or something like that. A little less direct relation than Dudley.

Originally posted by Alorra Spinnet (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=473919#post473919))
I'm thinking more along the lines that if Mark Evans is related to Lily and Petunia that it isn't do to them having had a brother. More that their father had a brother and Mark is his grandson, making him Harry's second cousin or something like that. A little less direct relation than Dudley.

A lot of us tend to think the relationship is at best second cousin. That's close enough to be related but not so close that it would give Dumbledore an alternative to the Dursleys. And it could be one of these families with enough magic blood it kicks up now and then.

I could see Harry really getting into that. Finally he has a blood relation, and a tie to his mother. Lupin is a link to Harry's father, but Harry's mother has gotten less discussion. Then there's the fact that Petunia's history seems to have a little more to it than anyone, even Vernon seemed to realize. My suspicion is that this is all tied together. Next summer could get very interesting indeed as all sorts of stuff spills out of the closet about the Evans family.

I agree with Mutant. There has to be a lot more about the Evans' family in future books (but there's only two to go!). We have heard about James' family in Phoenix - how Sirius used to stay with James over the holidays, and how James was an only child. We know that Lily and Petunia were sisters, and that their parents are dead, but we can't rule out the parents having siblings, and Mark Evans being one of their siblings children, if that makes sense.
So we're looking at a second cousin - distant relation type of thing. That is, if Rowling hasn't just thrown in the name Mark Evans for the fun of it.
Also, Snape is obviously, and seems to always have been, a wizard. Therefore, there may have been no reason for him to be living near Petunia and Lily, therefore in the non-magical world. Petunia may not have known Snape, but you ave to remember that she did hate Lily and James, and thus far in the series, she has only ever referred to both/either Lily and James as 'freaks' or 'horrible' or 'awful'. So it may not have been Snape she was referring to.;D

dead...to confirm is their great great grandfather Phineas Nigellus...the old headmaster...when he received word that Sirius had died...his exact words were...

"Am I to understand that...my great great grandson----the last of the Blacks--- is dead?"...

Headmasters and mistresses in Dumbledore's office are well aware of the wizard world...especially their offspring and descendants...

Originally posted by Endangered (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=394940#post394940))
JKR has meantioned that Harry will enter a magical world. Was she talking about the Department of Mysteries. Or could it be that Harry finds a way to enter the afterlife and be able to come back.
Where/when did she say this?

Originally posted by millerbrad (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=395912#post395912))
I think *Neville* will kill Voldemort.
Hey, yeah, it never says that one will kill the other, it just says that one cannot live while the other does. And GoF has shown that Harry can't use his wand against V (even though V can use his against Harry - what's up with that?). Interesting theory!

Originally posted by Edgeofforever (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=398869#post398869))
Umbridge might become a Death Eater or not, but she isn't done.
I think she is done. Unless JKR is planning to bring back all the one-book characters for a big finale, I think her role as a plot-mover is over.

Snape will become Harry's friend (if Harry doesn't use the pensieve knowledge to grow up, I'd be disappointed)
No way. Harry says he will never forgive Snape, he blames him for Sirius's death remember? I don't agree with him (I think Snape's part in the death was very small, even smaller than Harry's), but I don't think Harry is going to put years of abuse behind him, even if he does have a better understanding of Snape's motivations.

Originally posted by Tomsk (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=409986#post409986))
My other theory is that Harry is the only young wizard who does accidental magic - maybe its because of Voldemort putting powers into him - but that would explian why the MOM keep such a close watch on him.
Perhaps, but when Harry first meets Hagid on the island, one of the things he says to convince Harry he is a wizard is ask him if he's ever made things happen when he was scared or upset. If Harry is the only one to do magic accidently, how would Hagrid know about it if he hadn't seen him since he was a baby? I mean I guess he could know... but it just seemed to me that Hagrid wouldn't say that unless all young wizards had little bursts of magical power.

Originally posted by dudemanthing (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=421794#post421794))
I find it a bit peculiar why the ministry has a room full of brains...
My theory is that each room represents an abstract/mysterious concept that the MoM studies. The room with the veil: death. The room with the belljar: time. The room with the brains: thought. I think another of the rooms contains love, perhaps that thing that Harry has that Voldie knows not.

Originally posted by fairylights (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=435373#post435373))
I think that the Longbottoms aren't quite as insane as we think, that Lucius Malfoy is giving donations to St. Mungo's to make sure that they are kept quiet. The gum wrappers could well be messages, maybe just a word on each or something, and Neville hasn't realised that they mean something.
Fantastic theory! I could totally see that happening, it makes sense and the set up is there. :)

Originally posted by Crookedshanks (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=439207#post439207))
But I think Harry might be a Metamorphmagi.. Theres a big clue going alll the way back to chapter 2(I think) of book 1 where Petunia has most of Harry's ahir(except for bangs) chopped off.. But overnight it suddenly grows back.. and no matter what she tries to do, his hair will always be that same style.
Hmmm, very interesting. It's strange that in that instance Harry is able to change his hair, yet in other instances (e.g., when he is about to be sorted he tries to flatten his hair to make it look better), he is unable to. Also, I think JKR would have left more hints than one if he really was a metamorphmagi.

Originally posted by iZeban (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=454768#post454768))
I was re-reading the first novel in the series last night when I came across something Dumbledore said: "After all, to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." Taking this into account, and how much he determined he is to help Harry, I think it's likely that, if need be, Dumbledore may sacrifice himself to help Harry in the last book to help defeat Voldermort.
:wow: Never even thought of that. But it does fit with DD's character. Uh oh. :( I think that would pretty much tear Harry apart... perhaps even worse than Sirius dying...

Originally posted by harp230 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=458108#post458108))
NotAMuggle there is a great thread on Dumbledore being evil in the Great Hall. Try a search. I will edit it in if I find it soon...
Is Dumbledore Evil? The "Look of Triumph" whats that about? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=47) ;)

Also, for more on the veil-makes-you-a-dementor theory, read the "Beyond the Veil" thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=11238). I agree that it's very interesting, and would be quite dramatic if Harry had to contend with a Dementor Sirius, but I don't think it's true. Sirius is dead, and I think the veil is the MoM's way of studying death.

Originally posted by morgan le fay (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=459055#post459055))
at the end of book 4, (p 651 american copy by scholastic) voldie says of several missing death eaters that one is too cowardly to return (karkaroff), one has already reentered in service (barty crouch jr), and the other voldie says "i believe has left me forever. . . he will be killed of course" (snape). after reading 5, i figured that snape was really on the good side, just misunderstood with all his spy work, and that he would die an honorable and redeeming death or something on those lines.
But that would mean that LV knows Snape is a spy! If that is what Snape is doing for the Order then that would put everyone in danger - Voldemort is letting Snape live for a reason.

Originally posted by dobby17 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=472028#post472028))
First off, the relationship between Dudley and Harry seems to be getting closer. Although they still hate each other, they talk now (a teasing, more brotherly tone). Harry saved Dudley from the dementors without thinking twice, even after all Dudley has done to him over the years.
I thought that at first, too. But really, that's just the kind of person Harry is. If he can be merciful with Wormtail, who was responsible for killing his parents, he can certainly be merciful with Dudley. And does Dudley really deserve to have his soul sucked out of him? He is the product of his upbringing. With parents like Vernon and Petunia, I don't blame him for being the way he is.

Re: this whole Mark Evans theory...
If he was adopted or a love child, why would he keep the Evans name? The only way he would keep that name is if his father was an Evans, or his mother is a single mother who decided to have his surname be her own. JKR herself was a single mother, so she may bring her experience with that into the book. That is, if this whole theory is correct at all.

OK I think this post is long enough, don't you? ;) :D

Originally posted by adonaichild (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=394198#post394198))
I think everything about the Department of Mystries is going to be revealed....or expanded upon. I was totally confused when I was reading it! I was trying to picture the archway and viel, but I couldn't....also Luna--I think will play an important role. Also, I think more is going to be revealed about Petunia...I don't think it's just chance that she knew what Azkaban was, or that she heard about it from Lily.


Hello, all. I'm brand-new here, but I've been reading the forums since just before the release of OOP. Adonaichild's post intrigues me to no end! I have a theory - probably already posted here somewhere - that Dumbledore will prove to be a relative of Lily and Petunia. Why do I think that? Dumbledore's love for Harry is exceptional, not to be written off as merely concern and/or interest because of Harry's exceptional circumstances.

Also, in OOP, consider the howler. He called her Petunia, not Mrs. Dursley. And he left Harry there, obviously sure to some extent that Petunia would not send Harry off to an orphanage. He also mentions he knew in advance Harry would be in for a rough time in the Dursley's home. I kinda get the impression Petunia's bitterness about Lily has a lot to do with Petunia being a squib and her jealousy of Lily's talents as a witch. Imagine if Dumbledore turns out to be their grandfather, or great-grandfather? Harry may well turn out to the the heir of Gryffindor, through his mother's and father's sides... I'm thinking the heirs of Gryffindor were split at some point and the marriage of James and Lily united them, with Harry as the surviving heir.

Anyway, those are my ramblings.

Mark Evans being 10 years old can't be a coincidence.
Luna Lovegood has some importance; she can't have been introduced in the 5th book for nothing!
That power in the locked room in the Department of Mysteries...I think we'll find out why it's locked, and who has the power to open it.
I don't think we've seen the last of Sirius. (portrait, maybe?)
And the barman in the Hog's Head...maybe he's one of the people in the original Order of the Pheonix. (Dumbledore's brother, who Moody only saw once?)
Just my thoughts...

I formulated a theory about Petunia Dursley. We found out the her eyes aren't much like Lily or Harry's, and she does seem to despise Lily for being a witch. But Lily was a muggle-born, so Petunia can't be a Squib unless she's not really Lily's sister. This might be (and probably is) a bit far fetched, but I think Petunia might be an adopted child, perhaps the daughter of a wizarding family...I'm not sure what it means; she might have been telling the truth about overhearing James tell Lily about dementors. *shrugs*

But being muggle born doesn't necessarily preclude one from being born a witch or wizard, does it? Hermione is also muggle born and the first magical person in her family. I'm guessing the Evans family had ancestors who were definitely magical, but maybe several generations had passed without a magical child being born before Lily arrived. I haven't much to base that on except Petunia's tirade in SS, in which she laments her parents going on about "Lily this and Lily that."

There seems also to be a good deal said about Lily's eyes - and also Dumbledore's eyes. Lily had green eyes; Dumbledore's are blue, but green and blue eyes run in my family as well. It's not an unusual occurrence for both colors to run through generations. Also, in COS, Dumbledore was described in Riddle's dream diary as having red hair. Lily also had red hair. I think Petunia took her genes from the non-magical side of that family; i.e., non-magical or perhaps a squib.

She refused to answer Harry's question about whether or not she knew Dumbledore, but Dumbledore seems to know an awful lot about her and what kind of person she was - more, I think, than he would have learned via his friendship with Lily and James.

mel, where does it say that Harry can't use his wand against Voldemort?
Also, yes, it DOES say that one(Harry or Voldemort) has to kill the other. Quote: "EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HAND OF THE OTHER for neither can live as the other survives." (Emphasis mine.) And I don't think Neville will be the one to kill Voldemort. I think the prophecy does indeed refer to Harry because Voldemort marked him as his equal, filling out the rest of the prophecy that he didn't hear.

Just a thought, Marspeach... maybe Mel is referring to the passage in GOF where Dumbledore speaks of priory incantatum (sp) or the reverse spell effect. Harry's wand and Voldemort's wand each share a feather from Fawkes and, Dumbledore's words, "if their owners force them to do battle, they will not work properly against... " or something to that effect.

I think the veiled arch is used for sentencing criminals to death. It is located in somewhat of an amphitheatre isn't it? Everyone is sure there is no coming back from that fate and in the beginning of the book, Uncle Vernon asks Harry if 'his lot have the death penalty'.

ONLY weakness...

AND there is something much worse than death...which V is afraid of...

V has tried to kill Harry but neither Harry nor Dumbledore has tried to kill V...in fact the power that Harry possesses will probably not allow him to kill anyone...

In the end I believe Voldermort will be subjected to that which is much worse than death...remember what Dumbledore told Voldermort...

D..."We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man"...

V..."There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!"...

D..."You are quite wrong"...

WHATEVER it is...we will find out in the next two books...

Dumbledore refers to it as "the death chamber" after his duel with Voldemort. I guess it's where condemned witches and wizards are executed, perhaps?

I think that there were a lot of clues about the houses becoming united being important in the future (from the sorting hat, Hermione, and Dumbledore). Therefore:

1. Luna has been brought into the group to represent Ravenclaw. It use to be Cho, but I think we've had enough of her. There has always been the Hufflepuffs Justin and Ernie. Susan Bones has kind of been there, but not as prominent as Justin and Ernie until now. Slytherin is the exception of course, unless Draco has a drastic change of character (I don't think so).

2.The DA also is important in the future for the uniting houses. Vs. say the competition with the houses in Quddicth and the House cup.

3.Also Fluer and Krum will be important, Jk didn't mention them for no reason (like anyone here would think so), of course instead of united houses it would have more to do with wizards world wide uniting against evil.

This one is kind of out there, but I agree with many here that Mark Evans couldl be related to Harry. I think so because..

1. He shares Lilly's madien name (Duh!)
2. In GoF Hagrid's family (or lack thereof) is brought up a lot. Hagrid tells Harry that they have alot in common, both orphans, etc. Then in OOTP all of a sudden Hagrid has a brother that no one knew about, not even Dumbledore.
So if Hagrid can have a relative appear out of no where then why can't Harry?

Alice Longbottom....Alice in Wonderland...maybe, just maybe they can "wake-up" from craziness and Neville can have his parents back. I would love that to happen.

I've got high hopes, do te do, I've got high hopes. I've got high apple pie in the sky hopes.

Originally posted by purplehawk (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=476919#post476919))
Dumbledore refers to it as "the death chamber" after his duel with Voldemort. I guess it's where condemned witches and wizards are executed, perhaps?


Does he? I missed that quote. Cool.
Yup, that's how they're executed, I'm sure.

It's amazing how JKR telegraphs her plots. Did anyone notice this one on page 487? (US HC) When Mr. Weasley is in the hospital. This is how she wrote it:

They climbed a flight of stairs and entered the "Creature-Induced Injuries" corridor, where the second door on the right bore the words 'DANGEROUS" DAI LLEWELLYN WARD: SERIOUS BITES.

Now, imagine that as it might appear on a sign:

CREATURE-INDUCED INJURIES
DANGEROUS
DAI LLEWELLYN WARD:
SERIOUS BITES

Now read the first word of each line only...

KREACHER
DANGEROUS
DIE
SIRIUS

:eyebrows:

Wowzers, I've never recognized any clues like that! Coded almost... I just read and reread. My whole family thinks I'm bonkers.

Dumbledore's quote about the death chamber was made just after his duel with Voldemort in OOP. Speaking to Idiot Fudge, he said: "... you will find several escaped Death Eaters contained in the Death Chamber, bound by an Anti-Disapparation Jinx... "

GOOD catch on the "Death Chamber" line, PurpleHawk. It's presented as a throw-away, but very meaningful!

Yup, they talked about "codes" in this book. "Codes can be broken"!

Bonkers we may be, but never-the-less....
;)

I am curious about the similarity of Dumbledores watch in PS and the Weasleys clock. Especially as Dumbledore had mentioned the excellent clock in respect of Arthurs attack.

Dumbledores has twelve hands and planets around the outside with which he was able to determine when Hagrid was due to arrive with Harry - could this just be an old fashioned version of the weasleys clock

Alright, here are some of my crazy theories yet again!

On a whim, I looked up the names Harry and Neville - Harry means warrior, Neville means "new settlement, new town."

Whether Harry or Neville kill Voldemort, I think Neville will be instrumental, after the final battle, in making things different for everyone and a new way of life for the wizarding society, a "new settlement" for them.

I still have my doubts as to whether or not he is really the chosen one - we don't know if Neville's marked or not - with the exception of Harry, who's the namesake of the series, we don't know too much about any of the kids before 11, do we? It's obvious he's under some kind of memory charm, and that his getting a new wand will do wonders for him!

For some reason, I think of Achilles whenever I think of the two boys - during the Trojan war, it was prophesied that Achilles would be a great hero and beneficial to the Greeks - but he would die young. His mother, terrified of losing her son, not only dipped him in the river Styx to make him invulnerable - covering every spot but his heel - but also tried to pass him off as a girl for years, so that the army wouldn't find him.

This can work towards both Harry and Neville - we all know of the protection Harry's mother gave him - What if, say, those gum wrappers Neville's mother keeps giving him actually keep his powers at bay, for his own protection?

Something else that I think is a big hint regarding Ron - in the Ultimate unofficial guide to the mysteries of harry potter (yes, I'm one of the freaks who read it), the authours state that when Ron is kidding, he's always right. After the Divination exam, Ron makes a crack about his tea leaves saying "die Ron, die." I hate to say this... but if one of the trio has to go, it's going to be Ron.

He's always wanted to stand out from his brothers, and even though being Prefect, Keeper and winning the Quidditch cup are huge strides for him... he has yet to do anything really *different* from any of his brothers, or something that hasn't been done before.

Since Voldemort now has some of Harry's blood, and the protection Lily gave him doesn't work... I think the battle that ignited the series will be played out once again to end it. Provided it is Harry that the prophecy speaks of... I think Ron, knowing of the prophecy and Harry being the only one able to kill Voldemort, will sacrifice himself for his friend. Harry will have a new protection, and will be able to cast the final, fatal blow.

Which makes me all very sad, because Ron is easily one of my faves.

Just for fun, and more wondering, I looked up a couple more names - remember Marietta? Her name means bitter, HAHA. JKR got her to a tee.

What stumped me was, Molly also means bitter. We all know Mrs. Weasley complains a lot, but is there something about her we don't know yet?

Hermione means messenger. As necessary as she is to the series, I think her most important role is yet to come.

Oh yeah, and, I still uphold my theory that Cho Chang is bad news, and that her Tornadoes badge means she's already brainwashed, and part of the dark side, with or without knowing it.

Okay, that's all for now folks!

I'm not sure about the "Death Chamber" comment.

It does appear that the Veil could easily be a tool to carry out the death penalty with, but, I find it difficult to believe the Wizarding world has a death penalty. I mean whatta ya gotta do to get a death sentence? Sirius was believed to have killed Peter Pettigrew and a bunch of Muggles, BEllatrix made the Longbottoms (Aurors I would compare with Federal Agents, gotta be a most serious crime to torture a Federal agent into insanity) insane and I gotta believe she has done her fair share of killing. And yet they were both sent to Azkaban. If there is a death Penalty why wasn't it used for either of them, how much more vile must a crime be? Very difficult for me to accept they have a death penalty.

Also the fact that its in the DoM and not down by the court rooms makes me think that "the death chamber" is sort of a nickname given to the room and not literally what it is....

Originally posted by too_wicked (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=430758#post430758))
Possible clues? A lot I think. A lot of things were left hanging in there so I JK must have dropped lots of hints.'

1. Aunt Petunia-What's really up with her? Is she a Squib or a witch who turned her back on the magical world?


I hope she's a witch who turned her back on the wizarding world. Wouldn't that put Vernon in his place?! And if she was a witch, perhaps her "brother" was magical as well, which wouldn't make Mark Evans so out of place.

[i]Originally posted by purplehawk
I just read and reread. My whole family thinks I'm bonkers.


Well, at least you don't collect plugs.

Elektra

Nearly Headless Nick mentioned learned wizards who studied death in the Department of Mysteries. I thought there was some connection to his comment and the death chamber, as well as the possibility it is indeed an execution chamber, or had been at one time. Why else would there be tiered seating with a dead-on view of the veil? Perhaps they had the death penalty before switching to a Dementor-guarded prison to contain dangerous wizards and witches?

I don't think think Petunia is a witch. More like a jealous wannabe.

[i]Originally posted by hermiones mum
Dumbledores has twelve hands and planets around the outside with which he was able to determine when Hagrid was due to arrive with Harry - could this just be an old fashioned version of the weasleys clock


The twelve hands and planets refers to the Zodiac -- which means Dumbledore tells time by calculating when events are likely to occur astrologically. This is rather different from the Weasley's clock, which is more like a magic tracking device.

Elektra

LOL, Elektra! No, I certainly don't collect plugs. Good books, yes, but no plugs. I love LOTR equally as much as Potter.

And I may be the only person on earth who despised both Potter movies. I thought them sheer camp and not nearly as riveting as the books.

[i]Originally posted by SFHPW
Alice Longbottom....Alice in Wonderland...maybe, just maybe they can "wake-up" from craziness and Neville can have his parents back. I would love that to happen.


Has there ever been an example in the books of a spell being reversed? We know from Ron's broken wand that spells can backfire, and from GoF that wands carry a memory of all the spells they've performed, and that two brother wands pitted against each other create a special magical effect. So I'm wondering if the Cruciatus Curse can't be reversed back onto Bellatrix somehow. Maybe Neville's new wand will be Bellatrix's "brother" wand, just like Harry's wand is to Voldemort's, and when Neville faces down Bellatrix (I'll be extremely surprised if this doesn't happen at some point, if for no other reason than I think Bellatrix will be coming after him to "finish the job"), he'll be able to reverse the spell. Harry can't bring his parents back this way because you can't bring back the dead, but I wonder if you CAN reverse something like the CC, and we just haven't learned how yet. His parents will be healed, and Bellatrix will be rendered a vegetable. I think that would be especially fitting, since Neville would defeat Bellatrix without having to kill her, and his parents would be healed by their son. After all, as justified as killing Bellatrix would be, I don't want Neville to have to live with having blood on his hands. I think he'd get a lot more satisfaction out of Bellatrix having the same sad end his parents did.

And, yeah, the gum wrappers. I can't help but think they'll result in some kind of protection for Neville, like Harry's mother's charm.

Elektra

Originally posted by too_wicked (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=430758#post430758))
Possible clues? A lot I think. A lot of things were left hanging in there so I JK must have dropped lots of hints.'

1. Aunt Petunia-What's really up with her? Is she a Squib or a witch who turned her back on the magical world?


I hope she's a witch who turned her back on the wizarding world. Wouldn't that put Vernon in his place?! And if she was a witch, perhaps her "brother" was magical as well, which wouldn't make Mark Evans so out of place.

On page 652 of the American deluxe version of OotP, Ron says:

"We've got about as much chance of winning the Quidditch Cup this year as my Dad's got of becoming Minister of Magic."

The reason I found it interesting is that they DID win the Cup! SO is this possibly another tantilizing hint for us from J.K.?

I'm pretty sure there's already a thread on this somewhere, try a search

Hmm, interesting. Mr Weasley would seem a good replacement for Fudge.

I think that you're absolutely right! It sounds like one of those things that you read but ignore and then find out in later books that these things actually happen and then kill yourself for not noticing it earlier. =) good one!

I thought Ron was talking about England winning the QWC. 'Cuz they got squashed by some other country during the semi-finals (to lazy to get the book). Cheers :D

Originally posted by MadMagic (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=395976#post395976))
I'm convinced that Harry being able to perform an actual spell in chapter 1 without the use of his wand will be important.

I've been thinking about this concept quite a bit. Both Hagrid (in the first book) and Dumbledore (in every book) perform magic without the use of a spoken spell. Is this the mark of an exeptional and powerful wizard?

Also, perhaps Hagrid will perform some heroic deed receive an honorary diploma from Hogwarts in book 7 and thus allowed to use magic openly?

Originally posted by purplehawk (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=476885#post476885))
Just a thought, Marspeach... maybe Mel is referring to the passage in GOF where Dumbledore speaks of priory incantatum (sp) or the reverse spell effect. Harry's wand and Voldemort's wand each share a feather from Fawkes and, Dumbledore's words, "if their owners force them to do battle, they will not work properly against... " or something to that effect.
Yes, that is what I was referring to, thanks. :) But Voldemort's did seem to work properly using Crucio against Harry didn't it? Maybe when they're in a duel setting, wand vs. wand, is when they won't work right.

Originally posted by marspeach (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=476867#post476867))
Also, yes, it DOES say that one(Harry or Voldemort) has to kill the other. Quote: "EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HAND OF THE OTHER for neither can live as the other survives." (Emphasis mine.)
Oops. :sorry: Hehe, guess I need to reread that part. After reading OotP I went back and reread the whole series, so I'm a bit rusty on the exact phrases used in book 5. I am through Chap. 6 in OotP now though. I have been writing down clues as I read to post here. :)

Originally posted by Jaden (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=477669#post477669))
KREACHER
DANGEROUS
DIE
SIRIUS
Whoa, I never would have caught that one, that takes some serious analysis! Good work! :clappy:

Originally posted by antarris (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=478170#post478170))
On a whim, I looked up the names Harry and Neville - Harry means warrior, Neville means "new settlement, new town."
I wouldn't read too much into Harry's name, not all the names are there because of what they mean. JKR has said she chose the name Harry because she's always liked it. She would have named her son Harry if she hadn't already made the HP books.

Since Voldemort now has some of Harry's blood, and the protection Lily gave him doesn't work...
I don't think Lily's protection is gone from Harry. Voldemort may think that, but I think that Voldemort is wrong and has made a fatal mistake by using Harry's blood to rise again. I think that the "triumphant" look in DD's eyes when Harry tells him about the blood means that Voldemort is now able to be killed, or something like that. He is no longer immortal, and he is even more vulnerable to the power Harry holds against him. Another reason I think Harry still has Lily's protection is that he is still protected when he lives with Aunt Petunia, his own blood. Voldemort may be able to touch him, but... well, wait a minute, does living with the Dursleys still provide protection? I would think so since Dumbledore still sends him there, but maybe there's something else that's protecting him there now... not Lily (since V can touch Harry now) but... Petunia herself! Maybe that's the secret Petunia is hiding! NEW THEORY!! :D

Originally posted by purplehawk (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=478486#post478486))
Nearly Headless Nick mentioned learned wizards who studied death in the Department of Mysteries. I thought there was some connection to his comment and the death chamber, as well as the possibility it is indeed an execution chamber, or had been at one time. Why else would there be tiered seating with a dead-on view of the veil?
Why else? Perhaps they are not watching executions, but watching something else... Maybe like medical students learn by watching doctors perform surgery in the same kind of theater setting? I think the Death chamber is the MoM's way of studying death. Read the Beyond the Veil thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=11238) for more on this.

Originally posted by purplehawk (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=478493#post478493))
And I may be the only person on earth who despised both Potter movies. I thought them sheer camp and not nearly as riveting as the books.
No, you aren't the only person, purplehawk. But for some reason I just can't resist the temptation to watch them anyway. :shrug:

Originally posted by wendelin_the_weird (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=479180#post479180))
I thought Ron was talking about England winning the QWC. 'Cuz they got squashed by some other country during the semi-finals (to lazy to get the book). Cheers :D


Nope if you read it in context you can see he was referrring to the gryffindor team.

Oh I liked the theory about Harry trying to discover the secrets of death. Maybe harry finds the secret of immortality somehow, which Voldemort has been trying to do for years and years. But I think it will be something very very basic which Tom didnt have the nerve to think abt although he was clever enogh to discover abt the Chamber of Secrets in 5 yrs (I wonder how he did it.) all on his own. But Harry will never try to become immortal even if he by chance discovers some way of doing it.

Hi all, this is my first post, but this is a very intriguing thread and i regret to say that I haven't read all, but most of it. And one of the things that I noticed and I haven't seen mentioned a lot is that fact that during his last OWLs test, Harry did read the minds of people around him. Normally I would just chalk it up to the fact that Voldemort was going into Harry's mind, but like the Harry talking to the Snake in the first book played a MAJOR part in the third book. You've got to give it some thought, and I know I saw someone mention that Neville may be under a memory charm, this could explain some of his clumsiness, because in GoF the lady that found out the Crouch secret became a slight ditz after the memory charm was performed on her. Just some of my ideas that I think bare some review.

-abSRD

I think that Nevile's gum wrappers are just supposed to show that he is upset about his parents and loves them dearly, and wants them to be a part of his life. (I know that when I really like someone, if they give me something silly like that, I keep it too)

I also think that the hogs head barman could be dumbledores brother (aberforth was it?)

Did anyone notice that Lupin was reading a letter and had a worried look on his face when Harry came up to speak to Sirius in the kitchen fireplace, about his mother. What could have happened which would make Lupin pose a gloomy expression.
Other things I think will come back in the next 2 books:
1- Ford Angela,
2- Mirror of Erised,
3- Aragog,
4- The Restricted Section of the library,
5- Nagini,
6- Peter Pettigrew's appearance at a very critical point,
7- Moaning Myrtle,
8- James Potter will make an appearance of some kind ( I'm not saying he's still alive)
9- Norbert,
10- Krum,
11- Some form of Cederic,

Another thing I wanted to post was who taught Snape Legimency, and who taught him Occlumency?
My theory is that Voldie taght him the 1st one, while Dumbledore taught him the 2nd one when he turned a spy for Voldemort.

Petunai would of had to find out about dementors after Lily and James were killed. Dumbledore probably explained it all in the letter he left with Harry on the Dursley's fornt door step. He probably eplained how the suspected killer was Sirius Black who was being held in Azkaban Prison. And even if he didnt then, we have no proof that Dumbledore didnt keep in touch with Petunia for a year or two after HArry was born, just to make sure harry was alright. We knew she had kept some contact with Dumbledore after the howler was sent, and I highly suspect it was Dumbledore who sent it. Her knowledge about the wizarding world is shocking, but not to be surprised.

Gi@

Everyone's so hyped up over whether Hermione will end up with Harry or Ron, but I just found a clue that points her towards ending up with Neville.

In Goblet of Fire, Neville asked her to the Yule Ball cause he always thought she was really nice, helped with homework, etc.... she didn't go because she was already going with Krum.

In Order of the Phoenix, if you go to the part where the kids bump into Neville & grandmother at St. Mungo's, pay attention to how Gran meets everyone. Neville doesn't introduce even one of his friends - she already knows Harry by his scar, and she knows Ron and Ginny by their red Weasley hair. When she turns to Hermione, she says something like "you must be Miss Granger, I've heard a lot about you." And Hermione is visibly surprised.

Meaning Neville talks about her and has given a full physical description of Hermione - something pretty unusual for a 15 year old boy to tell his grandmother, unless he's carrying a torch!

I'm all for the Ron + Hermione theory, and still think it will happen. But, I also uphold both my theories that Ron will die in book 7, and Neville will survive the series. No matter who Hermione is with during the 7 books, I have a gut feeling it's Neville she'll be with for life.

But JKR made it clear though in one of her last interviews that in book 6 the feelings between Ron and Hermione are going to develop more.

Gi@

did she mention that it would be positive... perhaps they just begin hating each other. hermione continues to help Harry with his spells etc, but Ron?

quote:
Originally posted by morgan le fay (original post)
at the end of book 4, (p 651 american copy by scholastic) voldie says of several missing death eaters that one is too cowardly to return (karkaroff), one has already reentered in service (barty crouch jr), and the other voldie says "i believe has left me forever. . . he will be killed of course" (snape). after reading 5, i figured that snape was really on the good side, just misunderstood with all his spy work, and that he would die an honorable and redeeming death or something on those lines.

I think that it was Karkaroff was the one that Voldemort was talking about when he said "I believe has left me forever. . . he will be killed of course," because it was said that he turned in to many of his fellow death eaters (I think Sirius said this when they were in the caves), and dd's pensieve showed when he did this.

Since Voldemort and Harry's wands share the same core they cannot figth against one another. In CoS when Harry gets Godric Gryffindor's sword out of the Dorting Hat, Dumbledore says that no one but a true Gryffindor could have done that. Also, in SS when Harry is in Ollivander's, doesn't Harry's wand emit Scarlet & Gold sparks??

We all know Voldemort is Salazaar Slytherin's heir, could Harry be Godric Gryffindor's? Will their final match up consist of swords instead of wands??

JKR meant Hermione and Ron's feelings woudl develop more romantically towards each other. If I can find that interview on the net somewhere I'll post the qoute.

I, like LupinMakesMeHowl, think that maybe there is some validity to the theory that Harry may be Godric Gryffindor's heir. JKR has given some hints to this, in one interview, the reporter asked her if there was any tie to the name of the town in which Lilly and James were killed, Godric's Hollow, and she replyed, something to the effect of, "My you do pay attention." Also, after Harry pulled the sword from the hat, DD did say that only a true Gryffindor could pull it out. If Slytherin left the Basilisk for his heir, who's to say that Godric didn't leave something for his.

And on the note of Ron+Hermione, in the GoF, Hermione gets mad at Ron for being mad at her for going to the ball with Krum, and she yells at him "Maybe next time you should ask me first instead of as a backup!" or something like that. I'm sure it was stated before, but it bears to be kept in mind.

I also think that there is a strong case for this Mark Evans being a relative of Harry's, it would seem to fit perfectly with the importance that Lilly is supposedly going to play later on. And also JKR throws so many plot curveballs our way that no matter how much we nit pick that we won't find all the clues, but it sure is fun until the next book gets here isn't it?

-abSRD

I think ANTARRIS is quite right in picking up something very important. that fact about Regulus Black... the 15 year old story.. i mean Harry was 15 when Sirius told him about his brother and every thing dat was picked by Antarris maybe came out to be true, I really appreciate this person's thinking way... At least somebody thinks up to my standards.. hahahaha. Nyways, he was very true, maybe when harry was born, right at that time Regulus left Voldy, nd he got away from him, nd went somwhre, nobody could find him... I mean then he started singing, coz he was sick of all this pure blood mania, just like Black, and thought of spending a notrmal and more enjoyable life... Prhaps there are alot of other things revealed in this book, dat r clues for future books... most importantly, that eye contact thing, harry will master both Occlumency and Legimency, and he may turn out to spy Voldy, WHO KNOWS... if Voldy can do that, harry can definitely do that too... mind, Harry and Giny are very powerful wizards... And PLZZZ dont let ur mind wander about Neville, its true that he'll get a new wand, and maybe he turns out to be very gud, but remember, untill many years, before coming to school, Neville was considered by his family that he is a squib, and he cant possibly be the one in the prophecy, when Voldy has marked HARRY, its him then and no1 else...

[QUOTE=Evan Rosier]

Other things I think will come back in the next 2 books:

4- The Restricted Section of the library,
QUOTE]

Up to this point, the Trio could only access the Restricted Section with a note from a teacher (or Harry's invisibility cloak). But isn't it open to "advanced students?" Does this mean that now that they've taken their OWL's, they'll have free run of it? Wow! Can you imagine what Hermione will be checking out for a "bit of light reading" now?

Elektra

JKR meant Hermione and Ron's feelings woudl develop more romantically towards each other. If I can find that interview on the net somewhere I'll post the qoute.

That's an assumption on your part. We can guess at what she meant, but we only know what she actually said, and Ron and Hermione's feelings toward each other "developing" doesn't necessarily mean that they'll fall in love. It would take a serious change of heart on Hermione's part, for starters. I won't say she hates Ron, but she obviously thinks he's a git, and Hermione isn't the sort of girl to get butterflies for a guy she doesn't really respect. Besides, I think Hermione did like Ron way back in SS/PS, but after Ron insulted her and she spent most of Halloween in the bathroom crying, she got over him. This is why she had the reaction she did regarding Ron's jealousy after the Yule Ball; it's not that she wanted him to ask her out, it's that she was finally vindicated when he wanted her and couldn't have her, and she could then correct him about being so inconsiderate and originally dismissing her. I'm sure that Ron has feelings towards her, however, Rowling has indicated that each of the kids will fall for the wrong person before they end up with their match. For Harry, the wrong person was Cho, for Hermione it was probably Krum, and for Ron it is probably Hermione. I won't speculate here who they all should end up with, but I will say I think it's more likely Hermione will end up with Neville than with Ron. That's if Hogwarts professors are allowed to get married, though. Neville is going to be the new Herbology professor after he graduates and Madame Sprout retires or dies. It could be that professors aren't allowed to be married, and Neville carries a torch for Hermione, but it will end up being unrequitted love as she marries someone else and he realizes his destiny as a professor at Hogwarts.

Elektra

And PLZZZ dont let ur mind wander about Neville, its true that he'll get a new wand, and maybe he turns out to be very gud, but remember, untill many years, before coming to school, Neville was considered by his family that he is a squib, and he cant possibly be the one in the prophecy, when Voldy has marked HARRY, its him then and no1 else...

No, the Prophecy does not refer to Neville, Dumbledore made that abundantly clear in regards to which one was marked by Voldemort. However, we shouldn't short-change Neville. I believe the reason he has had so many problems is because he witnessed the torture of his parents as a small child; he may have even been tortured himself in order to get his parents to talk. In order to protect him from this memory, someone placed a very powerful memory charm on him that makes him so forgetful, and which probably had the unforeseen effect of masking his magic abilities (we know from Bertha Jorkins that the more traumatic the memory, the more powerful the memory charm, to the point it can do real damage to the person's mind). I believe he's also been a bit held back by his father's wand, and his magic will improve vastly next year when he gets his own. He was probably a very powerful wizard until the charm was placed on him. Neville is beginning to face his past, though, as Voldemort and the Death Eaters return and he helps Harry fight them. He's earning through hard work and study what might have come just as easily for him as it did Harry, if circumstances had been different. In the end I think we can expect great things from both of them.

Elektra

That's an assumption on your part. We can guess at what she meant, but we only know what she actually said, and Ron and Hermione's feelings toward each other "developing" doesn't necessarily mean that they'll fall in love. It would take a serious change of heart on Hermione's part, for starters. I won't say she hates Ron, but she obviously thinks he's a git, and Hermione isn't the sort of girl to get butterflies for a guy she doesn't really respect.

There are signs that she's starting to respect Ron more. They're just subtle. There's that rather odd look that she gives Ron in the scene after he tears up Percy's letter, and then she offers to help him and Harry, and puts a lot of work into his essay.

Ron's main problem is that he's never really applied himself, never had that much respect for himself. I think you're going to see that change in the next book. JKR would not devote so much page space to the trials of Ron on the Gryffindor team unless it was significant, and the main reason was to set up Ron's breakthrough and winning the Quidditch Cup.

Ron is going to be a lot more assertive and confident and happy with himself and his life in the next book. I expect that things are going to be falling apart around him. My personal feeling is that JKR was also laying down clues that things are going to blow up in Hermione's face next year, and I think Ron is going to be the one to straighten out her problems with SPEW and possibly Rita Skeeter (who does not seem to be fond of being blackmailed and might simply register as an animagus to get out from under her). SPEW is more of a situation that requires diplomacy, and Ron's show a few flashes of that.

Besides, I think Hermione did like Ron way back in SS/PS, but after Ron insulted her and she spent most of Halloween in the bathroom crying, she got over him.

Actually, I tend to interpret it as Hermione having the problem of not having any friends at Hogwarts and then finally breaking down and crying after Ron's insult was the last straw. And I really don't think Hermione had much for Ron one way or another, especially when they were both eleven.

This is why she had the reaction she did regarding Ron's jealousy after the Yule Ball; it's not that she wanted him to ask her out, it's that she was finally vindicated when he wanted her and couldn't have her, and she could then correct him about being so inconsiderate and originally dismissing her.

I think it was Ron's reaction in general about her going out with Krum that got to her. The way he seemed to expect that she'd wait indefinitely on him.

I'm sure that Ron has feelings towards her, however, Rowling has indicated that each of the kids will fall for the wrong person before they end up with their match. For Harry, the wrong person was Cho, for Hermione it was probably Krum, and for Ron it is probably Hermione. I won't speculate here who they all should end up with, but I will say I think it's more likely Hermione will end up with Neville than with Ron.

I tend to think it was Ron and his crush on Fleur in book four myself. If anything, I think that Ron had more of a crush on Fleur than Hermione had on Krum.

There are signs that she's starting to respect Ron more. They're just subtle. There's that rather odd look that she gives Ron in the scene after he tears up Percy's letter, and then she offers to help him and Harry, and puts a lot of work into his essay.


Yes, but there is also the look she gives him by the fire when he's rolling around laughing about Harry's first kiss, and her comment that Harry is "as bad as Ron" (even though she decides he's not). I can believe that Hermione might be earning a little more respect for Ron as a person, as he continues to work and study harder and improve himself, but she obviously still thinks of him as a git as far as romance is concerned, and I haven't found any evidence in the books thus far that implies she returns his feelings. Trust me, I used to be on this ship, but I honestly believe it has sailed. Hermione never seeks out Ron's company. She is, however, almost constantly by Harry's side. Girls really aren't that mysterious. This means she would rather be with Harry than with Ron.

Elektra

Very valid points as to the development of relationships in the series, but let us not turn this thread into a debate as to who will hook up with who. I'm sure there is a thread for that.

But one thing I would like to hear others opinions on is what Harry's use of Legimency during his history OWL. What part may this play in future books? This part really caught my eye as how it came at a suspenseful moment and it was sort of mentioned off hand, much like Harry's use of parsel tongue in SS/PS.

Also, now that we supposedly know about the reason as to why Voldie came for Harry, does anyone have an idea how they defied him three times? And could the town's name, Godric's Hollow, play any part in this tale?

-abSRD
P.S. I know my comments are off the cuff, but just trying to change the course of this discussion. :)

Okay, but one last stab at the Ron-Hermione relationship. They're destined for each other. Why else do you think they fight all the time? It has been said that every man marries his mother and, in this case, Ron could hardly do better than Hermione. Harry needs them and they're there for him at all times, but I think the "love thing" will continue to develop between Ron and Hermione... and Ron's little sister Ginny will be Harry's true mate.

"at the solstice will come a new..."...just a quick thought - the third task in GoF, i can't find any references to the date just yet, but wasn't it somewhere in June...the solstice - 21st?


I think this was and inside joke to the actual book, Order of the Phoniex. It came out on the 21st of June.

Here's something I'd really like to see explored in the future...
What exactly DID spoiled, coddled Dudley see when they were attacked by the dementors? What was too horrible to reveal?
I wonder if he felt any remorse at all for what he'd done to Harry all those years...and to all the other neighborhood kids. One can only hope, but it certainly didn't change his usual attitude right after...rather than thanking Harry for saving him, he tried to get him in trouble again. Maybe it will sink in later?

Wait! I know people have talked about the gum wrappers coming into play, as his mother has given him SO many, but I know this sounds crazy, what if that's how she communicates with him?! I mean his gran wouldn't ever know, and she could be writing a message on them or something of the sort. It could just be an act of kindness as we all think, but there just HAS to be something more!

Also, think about this. It's not really a theory, but a new thought just came to mind. The child born of wizards who had defied Voldy 3 times would be powerful and be marked as his equal, and on and on, but what about the fact that Harry's defied him four times thus far? Say the first one doesn't count...that means three....could this mean something with Harry's future, as we haven't heard of anyone else defying him more than THREE times...