Book Seven: The Final Battle and The Final Chapter

We have a long time to go until Book 7. Around 3-5 years I would say. However, with OOTP out and little information on book six, I thought it would be interesting to speculate on the several things that are certain .

The last word of book 7 is SCAR.

JEREMY PAXMAN: So you know what is going to become of all the major characters over the span of the series?

JK ROWLING: Yeah..yeah.

JEREMY PAXMAN: Why stop when they grow up? Might be interesting to know what becomes of Harry as an adult.

JK ROWLING: How do you know he'll still be alive?

JEREMY PAXMAN: Oh. At the end of book 7?

JK ROWLING: It would be one way to kill of the merchandising.

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JEREMY PAXMAN: We know that you've written the ending.

JK ROWLING: I've written the final chapter of book seven.

JEREMY PAXMAN: So you know where you are going to get to. Do you know how you are going to get there?

JK ROWLING: Yes. Yes. I mean I allow a margin. It would be so boring if I really knew. It would be joining the dots, wouldn't it? It's not that well worked out. But it's fairly well plotted. I mean it would be worrying if it weren't at this stage, wouldn't it, if I slid off book five and wondered what shall I write out in book six?. You know, it's a complicated story so I need to know what I'm doing.

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches… born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies … and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have
power the Dark Lord knows not … and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives … the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies …'

A number of conclusions can be made from this.

1)The final battle will have only two fighting participants: Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort

2)At least one person will die. The possibiility is great that both will die

3)Harry will learn learn to harness this power (love/compassion/etc I presume) and unleash it on Voldemort.

Let me go through some of the most plausible settings for this end of the book. The sample ending is my own speculation.

A)Harry and Voldemort kill each other at the same time. The prophecy is now complete.

Sample endings:

i)"Everyone in the great hall was in tears, even the Slytherins. They cried for the wizarding world, they cried for the school, but most of all, they cried for the loss of the bravest person to ever set foot on the grounds: Harry Potter. The boy who lived, the boy who died, the boy who saved, the boy with the scar."

ii)"Harry saw a flash of green light and then........a veil. The veil looked familiar it was the same veil he had seen two years. When he walked through it, he saw his mother and father laughing at a joke Sirius had told them. He ran into their arms and realized that he would no longer feel pain from his scar."

B)Harry is killed by Voldemort and he wakes up, still 11 years old, to his mother calling: "Harry, come downstairs. Your breakfast is getting cold!"

Sample Ending:

"Harry walked over to his mirror and pushed his messy hair away from his forehead. Much to his relief, he saw there was no scar"

C)Harry kills Lord Voldemort and the prophecy is fulfilled.

Sample Ending:

"No longer tormented by Lord Voldemort, Harry now looked forward to years of happiness and healing with no more worry about his scar.

Also, there will probably be and epilogue detailing what happened to the still living characters.

Very good endings! Although One thing to mention, is that if Harry does survive, there will be action after the battle, so it wont be on the last page; or probably even in the last chapter. And if he does die; there will at least be a paragraph at the end of it, summing up things, and having some really philosophical finish.

Id prefer it if Voldermort just came out and said
"Im going to work at McDonalds. The staff are friendly, helpful, and you dont get all that messy business of trying to remember who you have killed." And with that, thre was a loud crack, and Voldermort was gone. Harry realised that the phophecy was wrong, and decided to go against Voldermort again: He worked in Burger King, and everyone forgot all about the boy with the scar.

Yeah..I too think the veil is like a kind of portal to the underworld....You know, We do know what the famous veil is:>once you crossed it, you can't come back....I have said this before, but I think b/c of what Luna said, Harry might want to see the veil again to find Sirius...

ALSO...We found how VOLDEMORT CAN BE KILLED RIGHT? Just drop him there and let's see how he gets out....=)

I think the final battle will be there in that room...Maybe Harry fights with Voldemort and both fell through the veil....(I honestly think Harry won't survive)...You can't come out of there right?

The final battle is very likely to be in the Department of Mysteries, as Harry needs to unlock that mysterious door. Perhaps the battle will be in that room?
But, as long as Harry survives, the final battle wont be in the last chapter. It will be either in the 3rd or 2nd last chapter. If Harry does die, then there will still be more than a page of explaining what happened afterwards.

Maybe Harry will proceed down the road Frodo took (choosing to take the ship to the Undying Lands) and CHOOSE to go through the veil once Voldemort has been defeated.

Perhaps the pain and horror inflicted upon Harry in his short life has been too much and, thus, he is unable to recover. Better to spend eternity with those you love than spending decades more in pain.

Though I am quite sure JK would see the parallel to LOTR and probably choose a different ending.

Of course, there is always the possibility Harry wakes up to find himself 30 years old and straight jacketed in an upstate New York mental institution shouting "I'M A 17 YEAR OLD BRITISH WIZARD!!! QUICK, SUMMON THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX! VOLDEMORT IS COMING TO FINISH OFF WHAT HE STARTED WITH MY SCAR!!!"

BTW the thread title could be a bit misleading. This thread is discussing both the final battle and the final chapter. It is not infering that the final battle will take place within the final chapter.

I had a weird though about DD line to Voldermort while discussing it with others. He said there are things worse than death, and that Voldemort's death wouldn't be able to satisfy him. Then, thinking about the prophecy, I thought what if Harry had to kill Voldemort, but not Tom Riddle. So what if Harry could strip Voldemort of his powers somehow, cause I can't see Harry killing someone. Turning Voldemort into a squib, wouldn't that be worse than death? Just a thought...

I like the idea of Harry waking up to everyone being alive, everything being ok. That would satisfy my mental hunger, knowing no one died, everything was alright.

Somehow I can't see JKR doing that! My first thought was the veil and Harry would choose to go through it, but it is a bit too LOTR. However, there are no new possible endings, and the best musical peices imitate other peices, so if it is written well, it's not that bad.

I'm thinking the dementors have to play a part. It has already been said that the Dementor's kiss is a fate worse than death. Dumbledore repeated the "worse than death" idea in his conversation with Voldemort. Surely there is a link between the two. I'm thinking come the end of the series Voldemort's going to be soul-less.

Heheeh that I suppose can be classified as death as well

*giggles at the thought of Voldie souless* though technically couldn't you say he is because he doesn't experience or know love, he doesn't care about killing, you could define that as souless. Also the dementors wouldn't get much food out of his soul because he has no happiness.

A soul in terms of JK's story is anything that allows you to operate effectively as a human being i.e. ability to think, a personality etc. therefore he most certainly has a soul and that being the case he can certainly lose it through the dementors. As for the question of happiness is it universal? That is does the same thing make everyone happy - the answer to that is clearly no. Perhaps Voldemort is happy killing and torturing people.

The fact that Nick didn't go onto the next place, and became a ghost instead, was because he is afraid, reminded me of Voldemort. We've heard him say that his goal is to conquer death, or that there is no fate worse than death - Voldemort, like Nick, is afraid of death.

So wouldn't it torture him to be killed at Harry's hands, cling to the world in his fear of what lies beyond, and become a ghost unable to so much as lift a wand, never mind do magic? I think this is the fate that awaits him. Ahh, it has a nice justice to it...

Here is how I see things happening.
The D.E.s (led by the LeStranges--provided Neville hasn't killed them by now) will attack Hogwarts. Harry and the D.A. (which by then will be very well trained in dueling) will fight alongside the teachers and the OotP. Many will die (and I won't take any guesses at who, because it could be ANYBODY).

Then enters Voldemort. And of course, Harry and L.V. will duel. The presence of the surviving members of the D.A. and OotP, will keep the surviving members of the Death Eaters from giving Voldemort any help, vice versa.

They will duel, and the good guys will win. Not necessarily Harry, Voldemort could kill Harry, but in the end, Voldemort will be defeated. In a battle of Good Vs. Evil, Good always wins, or the battle isn't over. So Voldemort will die, but Harry may not deliver the killing blow. If he doesn't, one of the surviving members of the D.A. might. Hopefully Neville. I don't know the name of the killing curse, because I'm sure that it hasn't been named. But I think the curse that kills Voldemorte is one that has the ability to kill a man's soul. It really is the only way that Voldemort can be killed. Kill the body and the soul comes back as a ghost. Kill the soul, and all you have left is a body which will be dispatched by another member of the D.A., which will be dispatched by another member of the D.A. Hopefully Ginny.


So what do y'all think? (I certainly wasted enough time on this...but it made for good brain food).

I think Voldermorts demise lies in the power Harry has of love & compassion and that we may not know much about how this power can be used and manipulated.

Capella may be onto something and Nick and Harry's talk may have been subtle hints to the ending.

It's likely that we still have very little knowledge of what will come to be Voldermorts demise, it's obvious the series won't end with Voldermort still alive and with his powers.

Death frightens Voldy, but as Nick said you can choose... just think of Voldy being a ghost at Hogwarts tiring to frighten the kids and being made fun of, with Hermione as head mistress.... I suppose this ending would be too comic for JKR since the books are getting darker and darker...

i think raven's idea about a battle at hogwarts with the DA, D.E and the Ootp aswell would be a good ending, but i think that Harry will survive and when Voldie goes to kill him someone will scarifice themselves for him (probably ginny) and then that will give him enough power to kill voldie, but if he's scared of death w3ouldn't it be a good idea to send him there, cause it would be hell for him.

Good endings. I kinda like the one when he goes through the veil when he sees his parents and Sirius. It's sad but yeah, it's really good.

Anyway, the final chapter I think will be the one where JK gives us the facts about what will happen to the characters. Of course there would be the Final Battle but I think it would be in the second to the last chapter. In the final chapter, we will know who marries who, who teaches in Hogwarts, and the like. JK says she's going to give a finite ending that wouldn't require her to write another sequel anyway so I think that's how the final chapter's going to be like. Just hope she spares Harry but the after she killed Sirius, I think she's killing HArry as well.

I think you guys are reading too much into JKR killing of Sirius. I think she made this book particularly dark because Harry had come off relativity unscathed from his previous battles, and it doesn’t rain sunshine on anyone all the time.
Tell you the truth, if she cried after killing Sirius, I don’t think she has it in her to off Harry. And I don’t think it serves the story well. This is the classic Good Vs. Evil, and if Harry dies, being the good force in this story, that’s equivocal to saying Good cannot triumph over evil.
But that’s just my opinion

Voldemort and Death Eaters attack Hogwarts, and Harry lures Voldemort to him through the mind connection. While Death Eaters are fight the staff and DA, Voldemort walks through to Harry to meet him in the place where Harry first defeated Voldemort in Hogwarts. Harry with only his wand and the Gryffindor Sword, confronts Voldemort. A battle of spells ensues, but Harry is knocked down. Voldemort uses the Cruciatus curse to torture Harry. While being tortured, memories of all his love ones flashes in his mind. His parents, Sirius, Hermoine, the Weasley‘s, Lupin and Dumbledore speak to him in his mind; they tell him not give up and to fight on, then Harry snaps. He breaks from the Cruciatus curse, and then Voldemort turns his wand into a sword. During the sword fight both are injured badly, but Harry cuts Voldemort’s arm badly, Harry get his wand and tortures Voldemort almost into insanity with the Cruciatus curse. Harry taunts Voldemort while he is begging for his life, then Harry stabs him with the sword. Harry begins to shed a tear, and Voldemorts ask why; and Harry replies, “for the love, the love will never understand.” Harry falls out and wake up in the hospital wing with Dumbledore at his side. Later that night, Harry walks into the Great Hall with everyone in the school, the OOTP, rest of the Wealsey family, and family members of people who died fighting Voldemort giving Harry a standing ovation. Harry walks to the Gryffindor table, Hermione gets up and gives Harry deep passionate kiss. Dumbledore signals Harry to sit next to him at the staff table. Dumbledore gives an emotional speech and in the end he say, “Harry Potter, no longer the boy who lived, but the man that conquered evil.”

I was thinking something along the lines that to kill Voldermort, Harry has to forgive him or something. The power of love and compassion would kill Voldermort because he underestimates it and does not possess it.

Oh no, Good will triumph over evil but first good must SACRIFICE itself to defeat evil.

IE Harry throws himself onto Voldemort and both go into the veil.

Isn't giving up your life to save the world , the ultimate sacrifice?

Remember the Gospel of St. John:

Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Every time she is asked about writing about Harry after year 7, she replies "How do you know he will live?"

Sure some children will be upset and some adults disheartened, but remember: Little or no merchandise, a significant decrease in fanfic, no chance of a writer trying to capitalize on the name by publishing more HP books, and less publicity. Isn't that how JKR would like to end her series?

I've thought about Harry going through the veil as well. I think what's going to happen is, that they'll have a final battle (possibly at Hogwarts) where many will die, but in the end Harry will kill Voldemort, and the DE's will lose faith, and get their ***** kicked. But then Harry is so scorched by losing so many he loves, that he walks through the veil in the end. And meeting everyone again. That way it would be a both sad and happy ending.

Thats what I think too martinnyg, but it's too LOTR, way too LOTR. I've never thought of Voldie as a ghost, but I believe that may happen! he is scared of death! But he can't replace the bloody baron, and I think people will still be terrified of him if he haunts Hogwarts!

Personally I don't think they would ever allow Voldemort's ghost at Hogwarts. If he chose to come back as a ghost, I don't think he would choose Hogwarts as his hang-out place ;)

Where would his hang out place be though?! he would have no hang out place, the reason I thought of Hogwarts was because of Salazar Slytherin being his ascendent.

But no, no one in their right mind would allow Voldie to haunt Hogwarts, or anywhere as a matter of fact.

Voldemort may have a soul but he seems totally emotionless..

Perhaps if he somehow gained some it might end up with him doing himself in..Think how guilty he would feel about all he's done..after all he was human once and loved his mother, which is why he became a muggle hater in the first place,

Also I think JK is fed up with people asking her if she will write more than 7 books so she drops hints about harry dying to shut them up...I can't see her revealing anything about the ending of book 7..If he died now she mentioned it then it would be very predictable and dull...not her style! she likes to keep people guessing

I totally agree with some of you...about the locked room...and unleashing the power that DD mentioned that kept Harry going...

Maybe the showdown will be there...or maybe...Wormtail will help Harry...as DD also said...Wormtail will be in dept of Harry,he did mention something about Ancient Magic at the end of the PA...

I just can't wait for the next book!

Well my best guess for the endings is the one where his scar disappears because Voldemort is gone... like I said in another post I had for a different thread... Harry can feel how Voldemort feels when his scar hurts... so when Voldemort dies... possibly the curse(scar) will disappear since its of no use... or maybe he keeps it so he can show it to his little grandkids and tell them the story bout how he defeats the Dark Lord... lol :-D

I can honestly see the last battle being fought beyond the Veil. i mean we know next to nothing about what this veil is, Sirius dissaperd behind it but maybe he was already dead when he went through, Could Harry have the power to go through it and come back again. who knows. but if Harry manages to push Voldemort through the veil and is seriously contemplating whether he should go himself so he can see the people he loves then he will be stopped by Ron or Hermione or someone alive and important which will make him realize that he's alive and its good to stay that way.

It will be a struggle for Harry:
1) Hate or love (that thing hidden behind the locked door in the Dept of Mysteries)
2) Revenge or forgiveness (for the death of this parents and Sirius)
3) Whether or not to resort to more Unforgivable Curses (incl Avada Kedavra) - I suppose you need to invest some genuine ill-intent to make those curses work plus it seems ridiculous to use Stunning & Disarming spells against those cool killer ones... didn't Book 1 say that if Voldermort wanted to kill someone, he could not be stopped... and with James Potter being such an accomplished Wizard and not being able to stop Voldemort...
4) Staying alive for his own loved one(s) (maybe he has a real love of his life then) vs sacrificing self for all

The ending is going to be a showdown battle between Voldemort and Harry. Both have their supports backing them up, but unable to help in the fights.
Harry is going to win, because of the love of his supports. Voldemorts supports do not love Voldemort. Hence the competivie edge of Harry.

However as part of the win, Harry powers and the rest of the wizarding powers and world disappear together with the curse that destroys Voldemort.
The good wizards knew that this would happen, but the love for eachother and the willingness to be equal with eachother and the rest of mankind was more important.
The last thing to disappear will be Harry's scar.

OOhh..., it would be REALLY REALLY interesting if it were just a dream wouldn't it??? And Harry wakes to find no one is dead, no such guy as Voldemort, and Sirius and Lily and James and Ron and Hermione by his side happily ever after???

I am sorry, but I just love sickingly sweet endings.

In terms of the Final Battle I'm wondering if Harry's power (heart/love/compassion/whatever) isn't important as far as what it allows him to do but instead in terms of what it inspires people to do in supporting him?

Mirkwood, your ending right there was totally like the Elves in LOTR.

Maybe Harry, in defeating Voldemort, has to sacrifice himself to save the world he knows and loves. BUT, in doing so, (through the VEIL), is RETURNED, as a 'reward' from the higher powers that be, to the place it all started, minus the scar, and his wizarding skill, unaware, except perhaps for a fleeting moment, of the life he lived and gave up (not dreamed), and how it will continue, as will the surviving protagonists because of his LOVE and SACRIFICE ... A true salvation myth indeed.

He even 'awakes' at his own home, with his parents alive ...

The interesting viewpoint to take is that of the narrator of the books. Who is telling the story? What do they know? How do they know it? Lovers of the tale love the tale ... the telling ... the ins and outs of the story ::: the contrapuntal texture of lifelines and timelines that create the meta-plot ... Although the story can end in any number of ways JK (will/has) decide(d) on one meta-plot - one which will only serve to satisfy if all the strands are neatly re-joined, all clues explained; all implications realised.

Maybe we are never told the real reason behind the plot as a whole ... it is possible that the ONE telling the story doesn't know. The fact that we are hooked NOW, exploring for ourselves, imagining an inevitable conclusion - EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT EXIST - is the real result of the work of a true artistic mind.

Lots of good points here. I am of the opinion that we can't put too much stock in J.K. saying that Harry may die. While it could still happen I think she says it to get the interviewer to stop asking about additonal HP books.

I'm sure we can't. Going through some old interview transcripts, I found this. I knew I remembered it from somewhere.


http://www.hogwarts-library.net/ref...PCLuncheon.html

Sean Bullardquestion14 {21.50}:
Several people have asked "Are you stopping at seven?".

J.K. Rowling:
Um, at the moment I, I, I definitely think I'm going to stop at seven, and as I say, that will be really heartbreaking. Um, the only reason you'll ever see an eighth Harry Potter book is if I really, in ten years time, burn to do another one, but at the moment I think that's unlikely. But I try never to say 'never anything', because at the moment if I say 'I will never', I do it next month! So I just, I, but I think not. I just think we're gonna stop at seven.
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So I take back what I said earlier about Harry not delivering the final fatal blow.

Random thought popped in my head reading this.

But is it possible in the final battle, Voldemort will finally understand what Harry posesses that he doesn't. The Voldemort in the end will learn that there are higher prices than death to suffer. It doesn't resolve who kills who, but it would be interesting to make something like that happen in the final battle.

Originally posted by C2G (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=403071#post403071))
Maybe Harry, in defeating Voldemort, has to sacrifice himself to save the world he knows and loves. BUT, in doing so, (through the VEIL), is RETURNED, as a 'reward' from the higher powers that be, to the place it all started, minus the scar, and his wizarding skill, unaware, except perhaps for a fleeting moment, of the life he lived and gave up (not dreamed), and how it will continue, as will the surviving protagonists because of his LOVE and SACRIFICE ... A true salvation myth indeed.

He even 'awakes' at his own home, with his parents alive ...


That is just like "the whitby witches" though. These kids, because they have pleased the above powers, they go back to the orphanige and their dead parents come and pick them up, alive again, as a reward.

Personally I feel that the final battle with Harry and Voldemort will be the end of the magical world as a whole.

NOt sure why.. couldn't give you reasons.

ORIGINAL QUOTE: "*giggles at the thought of Voldie
souless* though technically couldn't you say he is because
he doesn't experience or know love, he doesn't care about
killing, you could define that as souless. Also the dementors
wouldn't get much food out of his soul because he has no
bhappiness."

Of course Voldomort doesn't feel happy about the same things normal people do. He gets happy when something goes his way or probably when he murders. Harry feels this emotion through his scar.

I definately think that the dementors will play a role in the final battle, as will the scar and most definately DUMBELDORE. He will most definately help Harry defeat Voldy.

I also have this crazy idea that SNAPE may be the one who saves Harry/helps him defeat Voldy.

I really don't think that there's any coming back from behind the veil. Lupin said something about Sirius being gone and not coming back:'( . By introducing the veil, though, JK gave Harry a way to defeat Voldemort, since he obviously can't use his wand without stabbing the Voldemort in the back - something the Dark Lord himself would do, not Harry. Wouldn't it kind of be poetic justice for Lord V to go through the veil, though?

1. It would be a good way to avenge Sirius.
2. I think the whispering behind the curtain suggests something. The souls behind it are not at rest, but clinging to existence without any chance for escape (Let's just hope that Sirius doesn't suffer the same fate). Voldemort's soul would live on, but it would be powerless to do anything. Ironic.
3. The letters in veil can be arranged to spell both "evil" and "live". I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but it's kind of cool. For that matter, live is evil spelled backwards, but I'm confusing myself.

I really hope Harry doesn't die...but I could definitely see Dumbledore dieing...which is just as sad!

I know it is a bit quick, but I am afraid I must bump this thread up to prevent redundancy.

For me, Dumbledore dying wouldn't be half as sad as Harry dying.

Dumbledore is an old man. He has lived a full life. At least, I guess he has lived a full life. We don't really know that much about him outside of what we read on that Chocolate Frog card in the first book.

Harry on the other hand will be 17 when the Final Battle takes place. He too has lived a full life, but his hasn't been all that happy. In fact, I don't think really knows what love is, because up until the last few years nobody has loved him, and he hasn't loved anybody. We know Harry. We have come to love him, because we have seen his ups and downs, and know his stregnths and faults.

We can't really say that about Dumbledore.

I don't know where, but i heard somewhere that the last sentence of the last book would be something like Hermione asking "Harry, where's your scar?"

Could have dreamed it. Who knows. Sounds good though.

To sum up (these are the ones I find reasonable):

- Harry kills Voldemort, fulfilling prophesy, everything ends up wonderful (that's what I'm hoping for)
- Voldemort kills Harry, turning the world into a darker place
- Harry sacrifises himself to kill Voldemort
- The wizarding world (i.e. magic) disapears

An intersting thought just popped into my head; if the "final battle" takes place in the end of book 7, who will the "great evil" be in book 6, since it seems to me that the next time Harry and Voldemort meet face to face, one of them will have to go.

Guess the final battle in nr. 6, could be against Bellatrix instead of Voldemort. That would actually be okay with me :)

I see it like this. Voldemort is standing in front of the veil and is disoriented. Harry looks up at Ron and Hermione, and they realize what Harry is going to do. They try to stop him, but he tells them it's the only way to stop Voldemort. Harry runs at Voldemort, and they both go though the veil. On the other side, Sirius, James, Lily, Lupin, Peter (Lupin and Peter died, but after redeeming himself) and other people Voldemort killed are waiting for them. Voldemort soul is dragged away, and the marauders and Lily stay with Harry. They tell him he can go back, because he gave up his life to save the world. But Harry doesn’t want to go back, he wants to be with his family. They tell Harry, he has a whole life ahead of him and a new family that loves him. They all get together for one big hug, and Harry walks through the veil and wakes up at Hogwarts with Hermione, Ron, and Dumbledore at his side.

That would be cool indeed, at first giving readers the shock of Harry dying and then ending on a happy note. However, I'm not so sure that Rowling would write something like "you can return because you saved the world" though.
Just my 2 cents. :D

Very inspiring! Here is an ending of my own.

Harry watched as Voldemorts body hit the ground. He never even saw the flash of green light protruding from his enemies wand. His sight was transfixed on those red eyes. the fear and defeat in those cold, red eyes.
The pain was terrible. Worse then anything he had ever felt. But it left his body quickly. He could feel the light swarming over him as he passed through a ragged, old veil. He closed his eyes to soak up the light. When he opened them he was standing before his mother, father and Sirius. Sirius approahed him and hugged him. Then his father came up and whispered in his ear, "Welcome home, son." Then there was his mother. She stood there, teary eyed, watching his every movement. He ran to her and threww his arms around her. They cried in each others' arms. Finally, she took his head in her hands and kissed him on his scar.

That is just like "the whitby witches" though. These kids, because they have pleased the above powers, they go back to the orphanige and their dead parents come and pick them up, alive again, as a reward.

Although the final solution will be clever, I do not think it will be unique. It must be dramatic, and also on such a scale as to balance the previous stories ... encapsulating the messages/morals/essence of all the books, characters and subplots. We speculate about the end, the FUTURE, when, in reality, it is the life and loves of the current protaganists, and the tightly woven fabric of their individual timelines, the PRESENT, that fills, and leads, our imagination.

The fate of Harry is, I think, secondary to the satisfactory conclusion of the multiplicity of meandering subplots that have been introduced. Like many an episode of the TV detective classics Morse or Columbo, we are 5/7 of the way through and still, still the story could go anywhere. We don't continue to watch merely because of the END, the resolution of the major conflict, but also because there are, indeed, many minor dissonances which require resolution before closure can be truly and convincingly established. The merest of detail can be revealed, at any point, as THE clue ... and, similarly, any seemingly indisputable clue can be written off, literally, as merely a RED HERRING ...

Classic Whodunnit ... (or Whosgonnadoit/Whosgonnagetit) :banghead:

would it be funny that big V finally understand his own mistake and become a good guy in the end?

LOL...yeah I guess. But I don't think that would stop somebody from Avada Kedavra-ing him the first chance they get.

I read it at a site, I don't remember which, but I remembered it. Harry was not able to kill Sirus, even when he thought the worst of him. so, how could he kill Voldermont. I think tht his ability to not kill a person might be the downfall of Voldermont. Also, Harry might kill himself while Voldermont is in his body. To tell you the truth arry doesn't have it in himself to kill people, no matter how evil they are. So, I think that Harry will not directly kill Voldermont but will result in his death (indirectly).

"EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HAND OF THE OTHER..."

That doesn't sound like an indirect form of death.

I am playing with the idea that if Harry forgives Voldemort for killing his parents, Voldemort will die. Thus, Harry is not a "murderer." Plus it uses that power (I think it love) that Harry has but Voldemort does not.

Right, I'm 99% sure that Voldemort will die (the 1% being reserved, since I know J.K. Rowling's manner of surprise). That being said, I don't think it rules out the possibility of Harry sacrifising himself to kill Voldemort.

Think about it; sure, the last 2 books have ended horribly, but they haven't ended hopelessly. So Cedric died, and Voldemort came back in GoF, it ended with Dumbledore saying all the things they'd do to ensure that Voldemort wouldn't gain power.
And in OotP, Sirius died (and that was horrible) but at least the final ending was of the Ministry (finally) accepting Voldemort's come-back.

I don't think J.K. Rowling would end the books with the big hero (Harry) dead, and Voldemort back in power - welcome to a darker world style. If that happened, all hope would be lost, and all the Death Eaters and baddies would slowly keep gaining power, killing the last ones in their way until the whole world was like Big Brother (and I'm not talking about the TV program).

I think Book 7 will definitely end with Voldemort defeated one way or another, but I'm worried that Harry outright killing Voldemort will compromise his own humanity. Even though Voldemort is evil and barely human, I'm not sure I want to see Harry as a murderer. Maybe in the event of an actual battle to the death in the books I would feel differently, especially if Voldemort kills a main character. If Harry throws himself as well as Voldemort through the veil that would be emotional and touching. But I hope there's some other way of defeating him.

The prophecy suggests that love is the key, and I thought maybe Wormtail's debt to Harry might come in here somehow. But I've re-read the prophecy and it seems pretty clear that it would have to be Harry himself who killed Voldemort. Grr.

Harry will not die !
JKR can't do that to us dear fans of hp. !

I don't think that Harry killing Voldemort would constitute outright murder...I think it could be termed "Justifiable Homicide".

I reallly agree with you Raven, Harry could no really be considered a true "murderer" I think that Voldemort will kill somone Harry loves *ron, hermione, dumbledore, etc.* and that will push Harry over the edge and his love will conquer....such a bittersweet ending doncha think?

possible ending maybe

I was just thinking and i had an idea about a possible ending to it all.
must will probably think it is stupid but i wanted top post it anyways

maybe Harry will become an animagus and then when he defeats Voldermort he will disappear and everybody will think he is dead but then perhaps on the last day when they r boarding the train ron and hermione will see Harry's animagus and it will have a scar like harry's which could be why the last word is scar

just a thought
give me ur thoughts on this

It's possible, I guess....

But it takes years to become an animagus. I don't think even Harry could do it in two years' time without anyone at all knowing about it. He's not that great in transfiguration, after all.

Although it would make for an interesting ending.

I thought that JK said that Harry will not become an animagus like his father...I think it was in an interview. But it would still be cool. :)

I thought that JK said that Harry will not become an animagus like his father...I think it was in an interview. But it would still be cool. ;)

I like the idea of a final battle with many death eaters and members of the Order and the regular wizarding world going at it. Many will probably perish and someone close to Harry will be struck down by Voldemort. Harry will go after Voldermort and ultimately destroy him.

Here is something I haven't seen although I did skip some of the posts. I saw mentions of the LOTR type ending where Harry goes through the veil. Well what if after Harry dies Voldemort can still manipulate him or make his scar hurt. This would be because Voldemort passed some of his powers onto Harry when he tried to kill him as Dumbledore has stated several times. So because of the various mentioned ways of Voldemort perishing he can still hold some control over Harry, Harry decides the only way for him to completely end Voldemort is to walk through the veil. This would be like Frodo in LOTR but then again there are a lot of things from HP that is in LOTR and as someone stated before the best mimics the best.

Then with the last word being scar, the book may end with something like:
" 'In order for Voldemort to never come back I must go through the veil, it is the only way,' said Harry. All of those important to Harry in the room watched for the last time as Harry backed into the veil. His head vanishing last with his green eyes, unkept hair, and lightning bolt scar."

Just a random thought of mine... if JKR killed Harry...she might be putting herself in danger....i mean, as crazy as we are here on the boards, there are probably even crazier people who would literally try and kill JKR. I'm not joking here...

::winces::
True enough.

I know I proposed the "final battle at Hogwarts" theory, and I still really like it...but after doing some serious thinking, I'm beginning to believe that Harry isn't going to take Voldemort on Wand to Wand. For one thing, I don't think he will be able to. He won't know enough.
Furthermore, I think the prophecy will be played out in the most literal of terms. That there will come a time when Harry's continued existence---just the fact that he continues to breathe---will physically drain Voldemort because of the bond that the two share.


Another random thought.

You know what would be really cool, would be a charm that would allow witches and wizards to merge powers, and that they could use their combined strength---through Harry--- to kill Voldemort and his followers.

Very Anne McCaffrey-ish, I know...but I still like it.

I agree with MalfoyisMINE here. I think Dumbledore will die, but by sacrifying himself to save Harry or weaken Voldemort and then Harry will finish him off. Dumbledore said that even he couldn't stop some spells from a full power Voldemort. Also, Harry keeps mentioning that he sees that Dumbledore as growing old, weak and tired. (end of 4 and end of 5). This seems to be forshadowing od Dumbledores death. These are just some thoughts, I doubt any of us will guess what actually happens, JKR is pretty good at surprising us.

Dumbledore weak? I agree, he's not going to survive the series, but weak Dumbledore, is still like a Weak Micheal Jordan...you saw what he did in the Department of Mysteries.

Auror training has got to come in here somewhere. It was mentioned in book 6 as the part where Rowling red from - where Harry has a careers consultation with McGonagall.
Dumbledore can't die until the 6th book - there is more information to tell Harry and he must train Harry as best as possible.
The teachers and the Order of the Phoenix (adult members) obviously know about the prophecy - that was the building map that was on the table the first night Harry was at Grimmauld Place.
I noted also, that when Harry was given the two-way mirror by Sirius, it states something like 'Harry knew he would find no use for it, because he would never be the one to draw Sirius from his place of safety.'
And didn't JKR say in an interview somewhere that the final chapter of the final book is an epilogue of what happened to everyone?

I would find it very satisfying if Voldemort ended up suffering a fate worse than death. Trouble is, would that go against the prophecy? Would Harry have to die for it to happen?

Since the one thing Voldemort doesn't have and Harry does have is love, it is kind of obvious that he will kill Voldemort by love. How exactly is the question.

Has anyone read 1984? (Its the best book ever, and I mean ever, sorry JKR. You have to read it if you haven't.) Anyway, you know how Winston at the end was totally broken and truly, deep down, did love Big Brother? I think this will be how Harry kills Voldemort, but in a more positive way. I think Harry will have to love Voldemort, completely, and unlike Big Brother, who was strengthened by love, it will kill Voldemort. But it won't be some simple "I love you now ou die" type of thing. Harry has to truly love Voldemort, not love him so he will die, to kill him. (Kind of like how Lilly had to love Harry to save him, not love him so that she would save him, sorry if I lost you) The result would be a dead Voldemort and a partly destroyed, nearly soul-less Harry.

I think that the final battle will not take place in the final chapter, but I do think that it will take place, obviously, in the seventh book. I think that the final battle will be similar to the ending of the movie Star War Attack of the Clones in that there will be a huge battle between good (the Order of the Phoenix and the Aurors) and evil (the Death Eaters), but a small group of the fighters will be cut off. This group will include Bellatrix, Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, and possibly one or two more from each side (Lupin, Hermione, a couple of Weasleys, either Malfoy, ect.). Eventually the others will become unable to fight (for whatever reason, I don't know) and it will be Dumbledore and Harry against Voldemort. Dumbledore will eventually sacrafice himself to better the efforts of Harry who will finally destroy Voldemort. The end. I also have a question, if Harry destroys Voldemort does that make Harry immortal??

JKR has already given numerous statements that the final chapter is already written and is only an epilogue of all the characters lives after Hogwarts. Also, I'm sure that Dumbledore will sacrifice himself for Harry. He's admitted he cares for Harry more than the well-being of the entire wizarding community. He has been training Harry all this time and he knows that Harry is the only one that can defeat Voldemort. Dumbledore also knows that he has no purpose after Voldemort has been defeated, because he has passed on his legacy to Harry.

My theory is that the final battle will be at Hogwarts itself...Harry and the Order vs. Voldemort and the Death Eaters...I think that Neville will have a big role in the concluding chapters of Book 7, I think that he is the missing link that is need to defeat Voldemort and I think that he (Neville) will make the ultimate sacrifice...I also think that Draco Malfoy will side with Harry and the Order...and also I think that JKR will actually find a way to bring back Sirius from the veil.

As for the scar, I think that this will disapear from Harry's forehead when Voldemort is defeated...kill Voldemort and the curse will be lifted...

I think that the in the final battle will take place inside hogwarts. The DE and voldy will attack trying to destroy both Harry and Dumbledore (Voldy's old enemy). DD will offer voldy out in a duel (to protect Harry) succeeding in destroying voldy's wand but dying in the process. Heartboken and in floods of tears Harry jumps in to take DD place as Voldy snatches up DD wand giving Harry the advantage. (they no longer have twin wands and a wizard never performs as well with a wand that is not his own.)
They will have anepic battle and as voldy starts losing Bellatrix try to interfere and kill Harry but will be stopped by Snape giving Harry time to finish voldy off.

The DE will run for it taking their masters body with them.

The final chapter will then summerise what has happened everyone will be sad at the loss of DD and Harry will quetion whether or not it was worth the sacrifice. Finally we learn that voldy haunts his own crypt. Harry wakes up the next morning comes down from the dormatory and everyone stares at him and Hermione says "Harry where is your scar?"

Harry looked around his room one last time, He wouldnt miss the Dursleys, but his heart still felt a small pang of sadness, after all they were all he had left of his muggle family, and he swore earlier, when he hugged Aunt Petunia, she had a small tear in her eye. He finished packing and grabbed Hedwig's cage.
"You know Hedwig, this will be the last time you will have to see this old room. We have a new life you and me, I cant wait to get started and leave this muggle world forever". Hedwig hooted, and Harry slowly walked out of the house not looking back, he smiled and felt his forhead. He would never feel pain again from the Dursleys, and with Voldemort gone, he willl no longer feel pain from his scar.


hehe I LOVE HAPPY ENDINGS!!!! :clap:

I would also like to add that Hogwarts would provide an interesting battleground because the teachers could join the fight, several creatures could emerge from the forrest to battle.

I know I suggested Hogwarts as the place for the final battle, but somebody else suggested Godric's Hollow, and I like that so much better. It allows the story to come full circle.
Maybe the big battle of Book Six will take place at Hogwarts again, only this time out in the open instead of down in the basement, or up in the attic.

maybe this time it will be Harry who saves Dumbledore instead of the other way around as it always happens. And we all know how strong the force is for someone to die to save another person they love.

I, however, think Voldemort and Harry will be transported back to the time of Lily and James's death. Makes a lot of sense to me.

I am seeing a battle made publicly this time. Everything always happens at Hogwarts except in the fifth book. This time it is bigger than Hogwarts. The Ministry of Magic is also getting involved.

Hogwarts has been the center of things and despite your very valid argument I feel that Hogwarts will be a kind of a last stronghold for the Order. As many before me have said, it is built like a fortress.

Also there are so many minor areas around Hogwarts that have built up for seemingly no reason (the forest and the lake) and would serve as great places for various creatures to take part in the battle and we know that JKR loves the breaking down the barriers of discrimination idea.

Plus the simple fact that it would be so cool to see all the little things that we have learned about the castle over the books come to use for Harry (even the fake steps throughout the castle could be of use in the battle)

I think I suggested Godrics Hollow.

Well, isn't there any reason why not that it can't be both?

I think that the final battle will not take place in the final chapter, but I do think that it will take place, obviously, in the seventh book. I think that the final battle will be similar to the ending of the movie Star War Attack of the Clones in that there will be a huge battle between good (the Order of the Phoenix and the Aurors) and evil (the Death Eaters), but a small group of the fighters will be cut off. This group will include Bellatrix, Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, and possibly one or two more from each side (Lupin, Hermione, a couple of Weasleys, either Malfoy, ect.).

Well, couldn't that group be cut off to Godric's Hollow?

They all would be able to apparate by then, so transportation isn't a problem. Just run out of Hogwarts, apparate and hey presto! Godrics Hollow.

That is a good idea, never thought of it that way. That would make the story even better because of the whole full circle idea.

The Godrics Hollow idea IS pretty cool but I just love the whole potential of a war at Hogwarts. You have too much fabulous imagery.

Just think, Deatheaters bursting into the great hall and taking blasts at Dumbledore and other teachers (a' la 'IF').

The amount of teachers and students alike who have so much to give to the struggle. Ron as we know is a fantastic tactician. The paintings would be able to keep DA and OotP members aware of where the DE are. Imagine Harry dueling with DE (perhaps even draco) on broomstick.
Hagrid "friends" from the darh forrest would be more than handy! Just picture the DE trying to cope with being charged down by an angry Grawp and hundreds of giant spiders led by Hagrid riding on Aragog!!

Both sides would also have benefits from fighting at Hogwarts.
Obviously the OotP and Da have homefield advantage knowing all of the secret passages and hidden rooms (room of requirement).
The DE also have quite a nasty advantage though, the amount of innocent people there. The DE wouldnt care about killing dozens of innocent kids but the OotP andDA would and this would certainly go against them.

Just some thoughts.

Oh just thought, Lily and James house at Godrics Hollow was all but destroyed the night Voldie tried to do in Harry. So it would have to be in another house and wouldn't be goind full circle after all.

Home-field advantage is right, as I said before Harry could use fake steps to trap people as he is running away. He could also use the room of requirement as a base to stage the battle from (Ron could give orders to a portion of the army from there).

I agree that an attack at Hogwarts would be really exciting. Except - didnt Hagrid say that "there ain't no place safer than Gringotts - cept maybe hogwarts." so it'd be awful hard to break in. and they might not manage it while dumbledore is alive - therefore, dumbledore might have to die to allow a break in to Hogwarts.

I like the dementor's kiss and veil ideas for voldemort's death

yea the dementors kiss would be kind of cool - gruesome though. i am sooo curious about the veil! i guess it cuold be a way to the underworld - but that is soo confusing - because i bet if Sirius hadnt fallen through the veil he wouldn't have died. I HATE Bellatrix! :wow:

For the final battle I see one of two things. Hary cannot use his own wand to fight obviously. So what if he had say Neville off to the side fighting with Harrys wand so that Voldemort would get stuck in Priori Incantatam and Harry can use Nevilles wand to finishh him off while he is distracted. the other idea which seems more likely is that it will be a battle of the minds. Occlumency and Legilimency with some possessing. In OotP Voldemort alost kills Harry by possessing him but harry starts getting emotinal and voldemorte is forced out because he cannot stand to be in a body that has so much of the one thing he trly hates, whatever that is. Im thinking general emotion becausse we know Voldemort barely feels emotion and this is probably why Dumbledore say that hes not really human, whereas he tells Harry that his capacity for emotion is what makes him a human and that it is his biggest strength. For Harry losing Sirius is the worst thing possible and he begs dumbledore to kill him so they can be together. voldemort does not understand this because he is obsessed with immortality and fears death above all else. If Harry can possess Voldemort, enter into his mind with Legilimency or trap Voldemort inside himself he may be able to force emotions onto Voldemort and kill him. Maybe because the emotion will make him human enough to die. However if they are connected when voldemort dies than theres a chance Harry will die too. With practice Harry could probably master these magical arts because he gained the predisposition for them when he received some of Voldemorts power. If voldmort dies he will be dead but not gone. There is no doubt that he will remain as a ghost. Nick tells Harry that he became a ghost because he feared death and preferred even a feeble imitation of life and so will Voldemort. i doubt that Harry would be a ghost as he doesnt fear death.

I don't think Voldemort has a soul. Maybe a soul is the power that Harry has that Voldemort doesn't? Also, I think that it makes sense that the book ends with some reference to the scar. After all, the scar is what started it all, isn't it? I wonder if Harry's scar will disappear if he defeats Voldemort. I really hope Harry doesn't die, although it is possible. It would be rather hard to reread books in the series if you knew the outcome was Harry's death. But I admit, at this stage, everything is a possibility.

First of all the fact that Hogwarts is safe is what makes it an ideal place for a battle because that would be a heavy advantage for the Order. Secondly I don't think that Voldmort will be given the kiss because the Dementors are under his control as of right now (I suppose the key statement is right now). Thirdly, I do like the idea of Harry killing Voldemort through emotion or love or something but I highly doubt that it will be through Legilimency or anything like that because that is quite possibly Voldemort's strongest area of study.

I think Harry may develop an ability to heal both physical and psychological illness, including hatred and other evil attitudes, but that to do so, he has to find love for that person in his heart. The way that can play out I have described in my fanfic "A Time to Heal" which was written to explan the idea in better detail than can be set out here.

I stick by my thoughts that Harry will live and the only reason JKR said that he might die was to stop the questioning of "will there be more than 7 books"

Interesting theory Dedalus... Harry has done this before for example in his mercy for Wormtail.

Does anyone think that Harrys compassion towards wormtail in book 3 could possibly have anything to do with the power that he has? We know Voldemort has no compassion he just kills everyone but Harry wont let Sirius and Lupin kill Wormtail, which results in his return to Lord Voldemort. Dumbledore tells Harry that he has sent a wizard in his debt to Voldemort and theres a special bond between wizards when one saves anothers life. When I first read that I thought there was some foreshadowing but as we saw nothing of Wormtail in book 5 hes probably up to something or Voldemort killed him already but well have to wait and see. Maybe wormtail will end up helping Harry in the end.

Just going to make a quick point here, I noticed a few times through the thread people saying Harry might not deliever the killing blow. I did not read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been said, but to those people: please go re-read the prophecy. It clearly states the one must die at the others hands. So, as you can see, someone else killing Voldemort is definetly out of the question.

Actually I think Harry's power is hope. Hope is something that comes from the heart. In greek Mythology, Hope is what Hera locked into Pandora's Box. Hope inspires love, and love inspires hope. I think in book six, and especially in book seven, Harry will come to inspire hope in people, and hope is a very powerful thing. People can survive under horrendous circumstances on the barest of provisions as long as they don't lose hope.

Makes a lot of sense to me I touch on this in a post here...
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?p=529074#post529074
I talk about the significance of Peter's hands (it's a long post!)

Here is my version of the last parragraph

Mr. Potter gave a great sigh while watching the figure of a young boy fall back into the pensive. He unknowingly put his hand to his forehead as he looked around the room then met the eyes of a small boy with dark messy hair and green eyes. Son that is the whole story of the boy who lived , that is the story of my scar.


I like the idea of it ending from the pensive because i feel like I am looking into harry's pensive with each word i read.

Harry walks to the Gryffindor table, Hermione gets up and gives Harry deep passionate kiss(Quote from 1st page)

Dream on, dude, dream on!

Hope Harry survives though... He's my hero

I don't think that the whole story will be told through a Pensieve because the story doesn't start in Harry's point of view.

I think it would be an extremely clever idea from it to end from the pensieve.

Sorry if this has been posted already ....
But after watching the show on ABC last night, the scene with the big chess game at the end. It started me thinking that it was a bit of foreshadowing.
Maybe the final battle will be Ron sacrificing himself against the Queen(Bellatrix?) so that Harry can then take the King (Volde).
Just a thought.

Yes! Good thought dagmar! It's also a very j.k.rowling thing to do to drop hints like that.

Death frightens Voldy, but as Nick said you can choose... just think of Voldy being a ghost at Hogwarts tiring to frighten the kids and being made fun of, with Hermione as head mistress.... I suppose this ending would be too comic for JKR since the books are getting darker and darker...

Obviously, you weren't paying attention in OotP then, the most hilarious book of the series. ;)

Believe it or not, I do see that as the most likely ending. Nick's description of being a ghost sounds strangely important after Dumbledore speaks of things worse than death. Why? Because he's talking about something worse than death! Immortality with no pleasure. Sounds like hell.

Voldemort is morbidly afraid of death. (No joke intended.) I think it's obvious what's up with him.

Harry going through the veil (or not):

As for the veil, yes, I do think Harry will be tempted by death, but I don't think he's going to actually commit suicide. That would just be depressing, not to mention it would be very wimpy of him, don't you think? (This is why I was also utterly unsatisfied with Frodo in LOTR. Sam was the real hero if you ask me.)

My current theory is that After the final battle, Harry will reach a crossroads, where he must decide whether or not it's worth it to continue living. He will have the chance to meet his parents and be reunited with Sirius. But by then, his priorities will have changed, and he will choose life.

I'd also like to mention how Harry is symbolized by the phoenix, and vice versa. Meaning he might "die" but come back to life, and that he might have some kind of near death experience or something like that. I also mentioned in another thread that the production crew has a basic idea of how the story will end and where it's going. Notice John Williams's interesting musical number for the Phoenix. Even in sad scenes, the Phoenix's music is pure joy. And notice how this seems to also show up in the books in the form of a bird song. The Phoenix symbolizes life, and Harry, at the same time. How the heck do you see him dying once you've connected the dots?

After that, I'm guessing the last chapter is a flash forward to decades after the final battle. Possibly with our main trio as old people, dying natural deaths of old age. This would be, IMO, the most fulfilling, and likely ending. It effectively finishes the story, kills off all the characters, deals with "the next great adventure", but in a non-tragic light. It leaves us with a sense of a full life. You see, I think it's the idea of these people dying YOUNG that scares us, and JKR knows it. Sure, JKR has been joking about the possibility of characters dying, but she never said WHEN. Such an ending would also leave a good chunk of the characters' lives open for interpretation. The story would be open, yet closed.

There are many hints of "old age", especially in the first book, around Dumbledore mostly.

With all this in mind, there is nothing inspiring or hopeful about a useless suicide. It shows weakness instead of strength. It would be more inspiring if Harry were to continue with his life and go on, battlescars and all, and make the best of it. I doubt JKR intends for the series to end as a tragedy. Bittersweet yes, but not just plain depressing.

I think the Mirror of Erised will come into play again. Remember what Dumbledore said about dwelling on dreams and forgetting to live. But also notice how, once Harry learns about the Marauders and Snape and such, he starts to think of his past in a different light. I think by the time we reach book seven, Harry will see something completely different in the mirror. He may even see himself married and holding children of his own.

I also think Dumbledore's socks story was a lie. We're given the hint that he wasn't really being truthful. I think Dumbledore saw Harry grown up. We know how much he cares for Harry, and this seems most likely.

Not that darn chessboard again:

Once again, I'm going to also say that people should NOT look at the Chess Board as a spoiler for the final battle. Most people who believe in this theorize Sirius as the other knight killed by the white queen, but there's a problem with this. It did NOT allow for Hermione to capture, kill, maim, etc ANYBODY. She was out cold and out of the game long before then. It DID result in the discussion with Bellatrix that led to Voldemort appearing right in front of Harry, Voldemort's battle with Dumbledore, and ultimately allowing Harry to throw off Voldemort yet again. (Also notice it was HARRY, NOT HERMIONE, who had to be held back from running towards a fallen friend.) If the chess board theory is to be believed AT ALL, then the positions have all been switched around, Sirius was in the place formerly occupied by Ron, and the chessboard was a symbol for OotP. I also think there's some significance in the song "Weasley is our King".

On a final note, there's a couple of Divination jokes that have yet to come true. Harry isn't working for the ministry yet, and Ron will supposedly go through hell but come out happy. Topped with McGonagall's promise that she'd make sure Harry was an Auror if it was the last thing she did, I think it is safe to say Harry's gonna make it.

Not that darn chessboard again:

Once again, I'm going to also say that people should NOT look at the Chess Board as a spoiler for the final battle. Most people who believe in this theorize Sirius as the other knight killed by the white queen, but there's a problem with this. It did NOT allow for Hermione to capture, kill, maim, etc ANYBODY. She was out cold and out of the game long before then. It DID result in the discussion with Bellatrix that led to Voldemort appearing right in front of Harry, Voldemort's battle with Dumbledore, and ultimately allowing Harry to throw off Voldemort yet again. (Also notice it was HARRY, NOT HERMIONE, who had to be held back from running towards a fallen friend.) If the chess board theory is to be believed AT ALL, then the positions have all been switched around, Sirius was in the place formerly occupied by Ron, and the chessboard was a symbol for OotP. I also think there's some significance in the song "Weasley is our King".

....
Ok another theory I had on the chessboard is that the king is actually Lucious Malfoy, Queen being Narcissa. JKR has said in interviews that now that Lucious is in Azkahban that we will be seeing more of Narcissa.
Maybe this will take place before the final battle. Because after winning the chess game Harry went on to confront Volde/Quirrel.
I don't see the problem with Ron taking the knights position from Sirius. Harry is taking the bishops position from Dumbledore/James.
As for Hermione not doing anything, possibly she will not be alive, or may be unable to do anything(muggle parents being used against her).

I agree that an attack at Hogwarts would be really exciting. Except - didnt Hagrid say that "there ain't no place safer than Gringotts - cept maybe hogwarts." so it'd be awful hard to break in. and they might not manage it while dumbledore is alive - therefore, dumbledore might have to die to allow a break in to Hogwarts.

Not really as Voldemort broke into Gringotts to try and steal the stone in PS, so if Gringotts is safer than Hogwarts then the school is most definitely not safe from being attacked by Voldemort.

I find the chessboard theory extremely confusing... but you can trust JKR to place hints everywhere.
I have to say that I disagree with most the theory's that say that Harry will use love to kill Voldie, or that he will forgive him. If you base Harry's forgiveness on what happened to Peter, well, he didn't, his decision to forgive Voldie was purely because he did not want Lupin and Sirius to go to jail... I am sure that there were signs of his purity in that, but that is not what will save him. To top it all up, there is an immense pressure on Harry's shoulders right now, he must either kill voldemort or have his world destroyed so there is nothing for it, he has to kill voldie. Besides, how on earth will love and forgiveness kill voldie? So Harry forgives Voldemort and then voldie... explodes? drops dead?

1)I think that the main clues are the ones that show a little more about Harry's heart and his personality. Dumbledore has in the past said things to him such as "it was your heart that saved you" or "you found your father in yourself." I am sure that the reason we don't know much about Harry's parents yet it because they are very important to the story, Harry clearly has a lot from his dad, but now, in the fifth book we found out that they are also very different... so what about Liliy? JKR never said that Harry having her eyes is important, but I'm sure it is. Harry's parents have helped svae him three before it is only too likely that they will have some part to play before the end.

2) The spells that Harry uses most effectively are the Patronus charm and the disarming charm, these two spells are used to disarm the oponent and to draw them away by using something that OPOSES their greatest power. There is a definite link there, if Harry finds the thing that will take away Voldie's greatest power, then he will leave Voldemort powerless. Lets face it, Voldie is a **** coward, he needs 15 death eaters on his side to torture a 14 year old and he does not have the guts to go to the department of Mysteries on his own to get what he wants, he needs to act behind the scene, to use power that is not equivelant to his own. Maybe Harry will be able to take away Voldemorts extra powers so that they may fight as equals (there is a significance to why they are so similar), if they do Harry will probably win because he has a power that Voldemort can not understand. While Voldie is focused on how to destroy Harry, Harry is focused on how he will protect his loved ones.

3) The DA will surely have some part to play!

Call me crazy, but I do think that there'll be some sort of attack on Hogwarts. I've always imagined that Hogwarts is protected in something like 'layers' and that it is completely possible to break through them little by little, but not in one complete jump.

I also find it quite possible that something may be lurking in the forest or the lake that may eventually come out to attack.

Of course, I also have imagined an intriguing battle of the swords between Harry and Voldemort. Don't ask why. That's not nearly as likely as many other ideas, though.

Hmm, I seriously hope that harry does not die. But I'm begining to think, the JKR is going to kill him. Because that will officially end the series, and she won't have to write any other sequals about how Harry's life is. I think that Harry will die, Ron will live with his family for the rest of his life, and Hermione will be a teacher, when Harry get's into the history books. I think a good ending to sum everything up would be:

"After all the tears shed, Harry would be happy to see how his friends made it in their life. Now, Harry could be with his dearest loved ones he has lost. Hermione, will be reading history books about Harry Potter. The boy who lived, the boy who almost distroied Voldemort as a baby, the boy who was destoied by Voldemort as a teen. The boy with the scar."

Ehh, yeah, I don't really like that ending, but yeah. I would personally be happy with Harry living but the odds are pointing twoards a dead Harry. =\

And, I don't see how Harry could forgive Voldemort, I mean, Voldie killed
1. Cedric
2.Harry's mom
3.Harry's dad

And probably much more, but I don't have my books handy at the moment. I know that I would not be able to forgive someone like that, plus Voldemort never shows any sign of caring for anything, exept for himself and his needs.

But I also think in book 6 someone really close to Harry will die trying to save him, Dumbledore? Professer McGonagall? Mmm.. possibly Snape?? And maybe we'll see a brighter side to him.

I'm dying of waiting, but I'm sure that it'll be well worth the wait.

If Harry dies, i dont know what i would do!! Harry dying is like Ross not ending up with Rachel on F.R.I.E.N.D.S.... its something that we all dread. I think all of us want harry to live (well, most of us) but our minds are taking every little critical detail and trying to make sense of things.

If Harry dies, i dont know what i would do!! Harry dying is like Ross not ending up with Rachel on F.R.I.E.N.D.S.... its something that we all dread. I think all of us want harry to live (well, most of us) but our minds are taking every little critical detail and trying to make sense of things.
I don't think Harry will die, I do however fear that it will be either Ron or Hermione.

For me the battle at Hogwarts makes sense and I believe the Maurders Map, the DA and the Protean Galleons will be key to protecting the younger students. The Map can show Harry where the DE are and use the coins to signal other DA member as to which way is safest to get the First through Fourth years out to safety which I believe will be most of the other DA member job. Now that you have the innocent out of the way the more experienced wizards and witches can take on the Voldemort and his DE and Giants. I believe the the Demontors will be sent to MoM to distract the Aurors and leave Hogwarts unprotected.

You make a point Dagmar, I don't think the trio is safe at all, one of them is bound to die... I really hope they won't though. Mind you, I thought that at least one hobbit was a CERT in Lotr and they all lived.

I think that Harry isn't going to die. I think that she just said that so that we would be thrown off. Because some theories that people suggest hit right on target. And she knows that too.

I agree that there will be one final battle between Voldemort and Harry. But there is the matter of who wins and who loses:

1) In OotP, Dumbledore was battling Voldemort and he was putting up a good fight, even though Dumbledore one of the most powerful wizards in the world...imagine if it was little Harry battling Voldemort. I know Harry has some skill with his wand, but honestly, he's no where near as good as Dumbledore.

2) Dumbledore is always telling Harry that he has the powerful force of love on his side, so that may prove to be a powerful weapon against Voldemort. But will it kill him? I don't know...I'm not writing these books (and it's a good thing too!)

3) Since a lot of people want Harry to win the final battle, and a lot of people think that'd be a nice twist if Voldemort won...what if they both killed each other? The prophecy said "...neither can live while the other survives..." If they killed each other, that would complete the prophecy. And if Voldemort was gone, his Death Eaters probably wouldn't continue without their leader. That means that the good would rule the bad, which is the same ending if Harry did survive.

All I can say now is, "We are left to ponder the mysteries that have not been told, and we must wait for the truth to be revealed."

1) In OotP, Dumbledore was battling Voldemort and he was putting up a good fight, even though Dumbledore one of the most powerful wizards in the world...imagine if it was little Harry battling Voldemort. I know Harry has some skill with his wand, but honestly, he's no where near as good as Dumbledore.

I agree with you here. I can't see Harry possibly learning enough magic by his seventh year to be able to cope with the skill level of Lord Voldemort. Voldemorts just out of his league all together. But then you have to consider the whole Priori Incantatum thing. They could not have a battle solely with their wands. Both wands malfunction when they are used against each other. Plus I think it would be foolish too revisit a topic that was already covered in GoF.


Since a lot of people want Harry to win the final battle, and a lot of people think that'd be a nice twist if Voldemort won...what if they both killed each other? The prophecy said "...neither can live while the other survives..." If they killed each other, that would complete the prophecy. And if Voldemort was gone, his Death Eaters probably wouldn't continue without their leader. That means that the good would rule the bad, which is the same ending if Harry did survive.

I thought that in the Matrix Neo wasn't going to die. When he did that was a complete shock. Maybe JKR would do the same thing. There is definately a possibility of something like that happening, but somehow it seems very unlikely.

The ending would be pretty dull if it ended with Harry just killing Voldemort outright. If it came down to whoever had the stronger Avada Kedavra curse or fastest "draw" it would transform into either Dragonball Z (PLEASE NO!!) or a Western (I can't see Harry becoming John Wayne). That would ruin the series!

I like the idea of Harry killing Voldemort through love, love for his lost ones, love for Tom Riddle, love for humanity, love for both life and death. Maybe Harry's power, that the Dark Lord knows not, is not only the ability to love his friends, but to love his enemy.

A dramatic, slightly confusing ending would be great! An ending you have to read twice to get exactly what happens, whether Harry lives or not.

I like the LOTR type ending, but I don't think it would work for Harry Potter, JK would need something new. Yes, she's used some Tolkienized events, but all modern fantasy has, LOTR is just so good, and has so many fantastic ideas incorperated into it that fantasy writers almost always end up using it! They may not even realize they are! And JK's novels are a lot more creative than some other fantasy novels have been.

Also if you are predicting the end of the Harry Potter series by looking at influencing novels, you may wish to read another set of stories set, or atleast in the beggining, in a wizarding school. I'm talking about Ursul Le Guin's (sp) Wizard of Earthsea Trilogy.

Throughout the books, Voldemort has indirectly attempted to get inside Hogwarts. In book 1, he appears on the back of Professor Quirrel's head. In book 2, he appeared in a Diary of "Tom Riddle". In book 3, although he does not appear directly in any form, he has a servant right under the School's nose. In book 4, a teacher is reproduced with a polyjuice potion. In book 5, Voldemort appears in Harry's head as a result of a type of psychic connection.

Each and every one of Voldemort's attempts to get Harry has failed; and the classic hollywood "the hero never dies" scenario continues.

In books 4 and 5, Voldemort lures Harry away from the safety of Dumbledore in an attempt to kill him; but failed both times. Each of these attempts involved several death eaters. In book 4, Voldemort has taken physical form, though he is still very weak, and is able to touch Harry. In book 5, he has taken physical form with strength, and has a duel with Dumbledore, and Harry was saved by the OotP. The graveyard scene in book 4 had death eaters with Voldemort, and in book 5 many death eaters were used in an attempt to kill Harry...and once again; they failed.

These two parallels in books 4 and 5 lead me to beleive that in book 6 or 7 there will be an invasion of Hogwarts Castle. We already know that some of Britain's most wanted criminals escaped from Azkaban and returned to Voldemort, which would improve his strength immensly. If
Voldemort tries once again in book 6 to indirectly enter the school in yet another attempt to kill Harry, he will fail, this is because we know that there will be a seventh book.

If this 6th attempt fails, which it will, Voldemort will not allow a 7th and mistake, and will rally up an army large enough to crush Hogwarts. In previous books, the death eaters attempted trying to convert Giants and other creatures to their cause, with success that is unknown to us so far. It was also mentioned that they might try to recruit dementors. While this dementor-recruiting policy seems rediculous at first, remember that in book 3, Dumbledore says (paraphrase) "they will make no destinction between the one they hunt, and the one who crosses their path". In other words, they no no difference between good and evil. If Voldemort offered the dementors anyone they wished to feed on except the death eaters, I'm sure they would join the cause.

And to have an army of dementors is to have an army of demons.

With a combined army of giants, dementors, death eaters, and any other creatures that may join Voldemort's cause, with the possibility of the giant squid, they would stand a pretty good chance against Hogwarts.

Some of you may ask, why would Voldemort want to crush all of Hogwarts if their main cause is to eliminate half-bloods? The answer is that Hogwarts contains several key elements that prevent him from getting to his goal. The first two are obvious...Harry and Dumbledore. The others are not so obvious...Professor Snape is a former death eater and possible spy. He knows many things about how Voldemort operates. Ron's family has a history of being in the OotP.

It is also arguable that the Ministry of Magic may be able to step in and stop Voldemort. My answer to that is that it is partially controlled by Voldemort and his followers, and because of the Ministry's democratic system, the death eaters within the Ministry may vote to do nothing about an invasion. This is in addition to the fact that there are no ministry departments that have jurisdiction over an invasion.

All of these factors contribute to one conclusion- a full scale invasion.

Yes, yes. I always thought there'd be an invasion on Hogwarts, with Voldemort and his Death Eaters. I agree with what you have. Good job on researching it. :)

What you are describing is a Final Battle scenario. We have threads on that here. Your post is very well researched and thoughtful. Perhaps it will get merged.
Book Seven: The Final Battle and the Final Chapter (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11426)
Magical Creatures and their role in the Final Battle (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=16187)
Location of the Final Battle (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=16972)

Other aspects of what you describe are covered in some of these threads.
Death Eaters in the Ministry of Magic (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=7375)
Fate of the dementors (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=27718)
Book six: Main Plot Line (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=19629)
Possible clues dropped for books six and seven? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=27791)
THE VERY ENDING (Book 7) (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11644)
Why Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=7551)
Is Dumbledore afraid of Voldemort? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=13271)

But, do you not think maybe Voldemort has bigger plans than simply crushing Hogwarts? My understanding is that he wants to destroy wizard society as we know it, and, although an attack on Hogwarts would be immensely damaging, it wouldn't have this effect. Also, he wants people to support him, with the Death Eaters, and attacking an school isn't the best way of doing this. I always assumed that he'd gather as much support as possible then attack a target such as the Ministry of Magic. With no administration, rule enforcement or credible leadership, he'd have almost won already.

However, I think he might plan an attack on Harry and maybe Dumbeldore first (Book 6): he certainly doesn't want them around, Dumbledore because he can (possibly) beat Voldemort, and Harry because of the prophecy issue.

Well researched post, anyway :). Thanks.

Edit: Oops, got carried away :p. Please follow the links Barbara gave, as you did a well researched first post, I'll ask if this can be merged, thanks.

I agree that there's going to be a final battle at Hogwarts. I don't think he wants to destroy wizarding society, merely control it and his only way to do so would be to destroy those in opposition to him--mainly Harry and Dumbledore. It is known that both of these characters reside at Hogwarts and will not leave the castle, thus the reason for his need to attack the school and not the Ministry. I think it is rather obvious, however, that there will be one more failed attempt in book six before the final battle takes place. Otherwise, what would be the point of book seven?

I would like to think Harry will live, but I like how you wrote the endings for if they killed each other at the same time.

Forgive me if I am repeating anyone's ides, but this is what I think...

There is a theory proposed by Maline (who writes the North Tower columns) that the prophecy is being misinterpreted. Basically the part of her theory I want to discuss here is from this section of the prophecy:

"...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives..."

What she suggested is that the "other" in the prophecy actually refers to Wormtail and not Harry or Voldemort as everyone assumes. The "hand" in question here belongs to Wormtail as well. I don't necessarily hold to the entire theory, so I will explain my take on it. Basically then, we can deduce the following:

!) Either the One (Harry) or the Dark Lord (Voldemort) will die

2) Wormtail's silver hand will be responsible for the death

3) Neither Harry or Voldemort can live while Wormtail survives.

So here is a potential scenario that I envision could happen: We know that Harry and Voldemort's wands both share phoenix feathers from Fawkes, making it difficult for them to duel one another because of the resulting Priori Incantatem. What if Wormtail repays his life debt to Harry and in doing so, obviously betrays Voldemort. The Dark Lord, in his fury fires a spell at Wormtail, who shields himself with his silver hand--a natural reaction to make. The killing spell deflects off Wormtail's silver hand and kills Voldemort in the process. This doesn't necessarily account for Wormtail's death, but that could happen in any number of ways.

There are several reasons I think this may work. Firstly, we know that Wormtail's silver hand has to be significant or there was no point in introducing it into the books at all. We also know that the hand is incredibly powerful, as demonstrated when Wormtail easily crushes a twig into powder. It would be very ironic for Voldemort to die because of a gift he had given his supposedly loyal servant. It would be even more ironic if Voldemort died as a result of his own evil and rage.

This idea also accomodates for the fact that Wormtail still owes Harry for saving his life. It is a debt I think most people suspect will come into play somewhere near the end.

Many readers have expressed their concern over Harry becoming a killer in the end. If things happened in this way, Voldemort is defeated, yet Harry is not directly responsible for the act that kills him, rather Voldemort is responsible for his own demise, which would also make a rather big point.

Anyway, just an idea. I don't necessaily think it will happen this way, but I think it's possible a scenario similar to this could potentially happen at the end.

I really don't think it's important for Voldemort to take Hogwarts, he can manipulate the children from the outside without actually controlling the school. He needs to concentrate on forcibly controlling those who have lived through his first reign of terror, because while the children are scared, they might join him. Those who saw what he did last time would be a lot more opposed. So I think the final battle may be somewhere totally different.

The only scenario where the final battle would be if Hogwart was the last stronghold, and there were more than students and teachers garrisoned there.

I think the final chapter is going to end the way it always ends with dumbledore talking to harry maybe dumbledores final words maybe not who knows. But its going to be a good ending, i hope it doesnt leave any question marks i mean its gonna be the last book just close it off.. i would want anything to be happy until the end. If voldemort survives it is going to be hell for the wizard world.

I don't think it will be Dumbledore talking to Harry. I highly doubt both if either will survive. Perhaps, if Voldemort wins, it will be Voldemort addressing his new world order.

Maybe it's going to be Harry saying goodbye to the Dursley's for the last time, I mean he can leave the Dursleys at 17 right? Maybe he'll walk out of muggledom forever, and live with the Weasleys

Maybe it's going to be Harry saying goodbye to the Dursley's for the last time, I mean he can leave the Dursleys at 17 right? Maybe he'll walk out of muggledom forever, and live with the Weasleys

Didn't Sirius and Percy (alright he was 18) get a place of his own at the age of 17, so why can't Harry? I think that you're grown up at the age of 17 and get to have your own place. I wouldn't want the book to end with the Dursley's though. I want a happy end with Ron, Hermione and Harry alive and well.

I don't think JKR will kill off Harry though...

If JKR wrote the last chapter long enough ago, then merchandising, other writers, and pressure for more books is irrelevant. I'm not a writer, but I imagine that she decided very early what Harry's fate would be. And has been writing towards that end ever since. If she does kill him, it will because it's what she always imagined, not the external pressure as an author. And is he was to live, I doubt she could change that due to pressure as an author!

I have always thought that she is warning people that she may kill him just to throw people off the scent, because if she were reallly going to kill him, she'd just do it. However, the more I think about it, the more I realize she probably can't kill him without warning, being percieved as children's books and all.

I agree that love will help defeat Voldemort, but so will lack of fear of death. If he is unafraid of Voldemort's greatest fear, that gives Harry an enormous advantage. However, it seems terrible to put the boy through all of this, just so that he can "fufill his purpose" and die without ever having a regular life. He shoud be more than a vessel to defeat Voldemort. As at the end of OotP, I think Harry will wonder again whether living is really worth it, but I agree that, in the end, he will choose life. He will not fear death, but I don't think he will embrace it as a way out, either.

I'd like an ending with "Harry, where's your scar?" Very fitting, but since it's been floating around for years, I doubt it!

I do **not** believe that the prophecy says that Harry and Voldemort must both die. It says that "neither can live while the other survives", which implies that one can finally live in peace if the other does die.

If fufilling the prophecy means that both haveto die, I don't think they will kill each other at the same time. What would be a better shock then Harry rising triumphantly over Voldemort and suddenly dropping dead due to the shock of Voldemort's powers leaving his body.

Which brings me to my other theory. Has anyone even considered that Harry was a squib? I think it would make sense if the only reason he survived the initial attack was because of his magical mother giving her life for his. When Voldemort did AK on Harry it rebounded off of him and defeated Voldemort. So now we think that this magical kid has extra magical powers. Wrong! I think the overall importance of his scar is that is where ALL of his magical powers are located. That is why he can do some things only Voldemort can do and he has the power to defeat him. Now that I think about it, I think JKR has been hinting at this all through the series.

So when the time comes, either Harry will kill Voldemort and lose his powers, or the other way around, Harry will either be killed and/or lose his powers, subsequently defeating Voldemort since Harry is the only thing that is keeping Voldemort alive/powerful.

Also -- my choice for location of the final battle, Privit Drive. It's where we are introduced to the story and possibly where it ends.

Mabe harry is the only one who can open the room that cannot be opened. Could that be how he defeats voldemort? Mabe Harry will with his power to love open the door and voldemort will follow but as he enters he finds out that its full of love and all that stuff and it just totally destroys him either that or Hogwarts will be where the final battle takes place. I just cant wait. Everyone of you have come up with great theories

(Please be kind...i'm not an author)
I'm sure this has been beaten to death...BUT here's how i'd like to see the end of the whole series.....we pick up the conversation between Dubledore and Harry before the final showdown with Voldermort....Dumbledore begins....

Harry, our life paths have crossed for a reson. You and I both know the prophecy says you are the only one who can kill Voldermort and I believe that to be true. But I have a secret to reveal and part to play as well. Let me explain......

Harry, there is good and evil in every world, muggle and magic. You have tasted this in your past dealings with Voldermort. It is sad, but that is the balance of things. The most ancient wizards realized this and knew there would always be evil to fight. Most of the evil is easiliy handled by the forces of the Ministry of Magic. But even thousands of years ago, wizards of the time realized there would always be anomolies. Extremely powerful wizards who would go bad...in this generation it's Voldermort. I think it's safe to say he's the most powerful evil wizard ever in history. But there have been others.

In thier wisdom, they realized that each generation would have to have, and would have to choose one wizard to be the most powerful of all wizards. To do this they created and invoked the most ancient and powerful of magic that allowed them, upon thier death to transfer thier magical power and knowledge onto thier chosen "good" wizard. This can also be done before the older wizard dies...but they will die within minutes after the transfer.

This is my great secret and now it is yours. No other wizard knows that the previous "super good wizard" chose me, at about your age, to be the most powerful wizard of my generation. He was the headmaster at Hogwarts and saw in me the qualities needed, courage, wisdom, kindness and bravery. There are powerful wizards Harry but none can defeat me, as I have the power and accumulated knowledge of hundreds and even thousands of wizards over time. No other wizard has the knowledge of generations, nor do they have the knowledge of how to pass this power on. It's the greatest magical secret and only one person can know the secret. It makes the reciever the most powerful wizard of thier time. Voldermort has somehow equaled my power, I don't know how nor do I have time to find out he did it but I cannot kill him. You have to.

That is why it is my time to die Harry, I have to transfer my power and the accumulated power of all those before me to you. You will be the most powerful wizard of your time. I know it's difficult but i'm an old man and my time has been spent well. You cannot kill Voldermort with your current magical power and knowledge. I cannot kill him because there is something special within you that I do not have. But you're something special combined with the power of the great wizard of the time....might have a chance. I know you're very young and this will steal your youth. As you recieve the power you will recieve the wisdom of me and all the other ancient wizards. You will become wise beyond your years. But the transfer has to take place. After the transfer of power Harry, you will basically become all powerful. Able to do pretty much anything you want with just a thought. You must choose to abide by the rules of the world, you must continue to see the value of the rules of the magical and the muggle world. You will easily be able to destroy and manipulate...I have chosen you because you have been mistreated and understand the value of goodness, kindness and humility.

Before I transfer my power and life to you Harry, a few instructions. First, I give you all my worldly possessions. In this office I have books and items of great magical power. Some items are so dangerous that they have to be kept in the posession of the "one great good wizard" for only he can control them. Guard them well, if anyone gets hold of some of my items, the power unleashed could well destroy the world. Two, this transfer of power is the greatest secret of all magic. No one except you and I know the secret of the "one great good wizard" and I soon will die with the transfer of power. You must NEVER tell anyone. With this transfer of power you could take over the magical world and the muggle world. You must never use the full power of your magic after this transfer. Use only enough to stop the evil that you face. Third, Fawkes will be yours to command, she is bound to the power of the "one great good wizard." She is not mine, not yours she belongs the the great wizard of the time. Fourth, when you reach old age you must choose another wizard to pass the power along to. Choose well, I think I have. Finally, here is the book that contains the instructions to use the power. As you add yoru power to the "super wizard" write in it your secrets and observations for use. The book must be protected at all costs there is only one and can only be one. For in it is the spell to make the transfer possible. You will be the only one who can read the book and you cannot make copies.

I have written my final arrangements on this document. Professor McGonnogel will become the new headmaster at Hogwarts, you will be offered a teaching spot here at Hogwarts. Harry, you have a choice of course but I ask that you take it. You will be the one, you will be the protector of all that is good and you must protect and teach the new witches and wizards the ways of the good and light path. In time, you will become headmaster.

Once the transfer is complete you will know all the secrets I posess, all the spells all the magic I and my predecessors have done will be at your disposal. Use any and all to defeat Voldermort. You saw me fight Voldermort at the Ministry of Magic, you must use all tools at your disposal to defeat Voldermort. You may even have to try the forbidden curse. Do not worry about the ramifications, you must defeat him at all costs. He will be equal to your magic power...but hopefully the special something inside you will make you more powerful than him. That is our only hope.

Be happy Harry, be humble with your new power.
Lets start the transfer....

Harry goes on to fight and defeat Voldermort....but at a price....maybe his scar always hurts for the rest of his life etc...

-I think Harry proved quite capable to kill someone in the Department of Mysteries while fighting Belatrix. He even went as far as to taunt Bellatrix and use the Cructacious Curse at her (though it missed).

I read it at a site, I don't remember which, but I remembered it. Harry was not able to kill Sirus, even when he thought the worst of him. so, how could he kill Voldermont. I think tht his ability to not kill a person might be the downfall of Voldermont. Also, Harry might kill himself while Voldermont is in his body. To tell you the truth arry doesn't have it in himself to kill people, no matter how evil they are. So, I think that Harry will not directly kill Voldermont but will result in his death (indirectly). Orginally posted by Rain

Dumblemort: I like it, in a Highlander-esque sort of way! :)

(Please be kind...i'm not an author)
I'm sure this has been beaten to death...BUT here's how i'd like to see the end of the whole series.....we pick up the conversation between Dubledore and Harry before the final showdown with Voldermort....Dumbledore begins....

Harry, our life paths have crossed for a reson. You and I both know the prophecy says you are the only one who can kill Voldermort and I believe that to be true. But I have a secret to reveal and part to play as well. Let me explain......

Harry, there is good and evil in every world, muggle and magic. You have tasted this in your past dealings with Voldermort. It is sad, but that is the balance of things. The most ancient wizards realized this and knew there would always be evil to fight. Most of the evil is easiliy handled by the forces of the Ministry of Magic. But even thousands of years ago, wizards of the time realized there would always be anomolies. Extremely powerful wizards who would go bad...in this generation it's Voldermort. I think it's safe to say he's the most powerful evil wizard ever in history. But there have been others.

In thier wisdom, they realized that each generation would have to have, and would have to choose one wizard to be the most powerful of all wizards. To do this they created and invoked the most ancient and powerful of magic that allowed them, upon thier death to transfer thier magical power and knowledge onto thier chosen "good" wizard. This can also be done before the older wizard dies...but they will die within minutes after the transfer.

This is my great secret and now it is yours. No other wizard knows that the previous "super good wizard" chose me, at about your age, to be the most powerful wizard of my generation. He was the headmaster at Hogwarts and saw in me the qualities needed, courage, wisdom, kindness and bravery. There are powerful wizards Harry but none can defeat me, as I have the power and accumulated knowledge of hundreds and even thousands of wizards over time. No other wizard has the knowledge of generations, nor do they have the knowledge of how to pass this power on. It's the greatest magical secret and only one person can know the secret. It makes the reciever the most powerful wizard of thier time. Voldermort has somehow equaled my power, I don't know how nor do I have time to find out he did it but I cannot kill him. You have to.

That is why it is my time to die Harry, I have to transfer my power and the accumulated power of all those before me to you. You will be the most powerful wizard of your time. I know it's difficult but i'm an old man and my time has been spent well. You cannot kill Voldermort with your current magical power and knowledge. I cannot kill him because there is something special within you that I do not have. But you're something special combined with the power of the great wizard of the time....might have a chance. I know you're very young and this will steal your youth. As you recieve the power you will recieve the wisdom of me and all the other ancient wizards. You will become wise beyond your years. But the transfer has to take place. After the transfer of power Harry, you will basically become all powerful. Able to do pretty much anything you want with just a thought. You must choose to abide by the rules of the world, you must continue to see the value of the rules of the magical and the muggle world. You will easily be able to destroy and manipulate...I have chosen you because you have been mistreated and understand the value of goodness, kindness and humility.

Before I transfer my power and life to you Harry, a few instructions. First, I give you all my worldly possessions. In this office I have books and items of great magical power. Some items are so dangerous that they have to be kept in the posession of the "one great good wizard" for only he can control them. Guard them well, if anyone gets hold of some of my items, the power unleashed could well destroy the world. Two, this transfer of power is the greatest secret of all magic. No one except you and I know the secret of the "one great good wizard" and I soon will die with the transfer of power. You must NEVER tell anyone. With this transfer of power you could take over the magical world and the muggle world. You must never use the full power of your magic after this transfer. Use only enough to stop the evil that you face. Third, Fawkes will be yours to command, she is bound to the power of the "one great good wizard." She is not mine, not yours she belongs the the great wizard of the time. Fourth, when you reach old age you must choose another wizard to pass the power along to. Choose well, I think I have. Finally, here is the book that contains the instructions to use the power. As you add yoru power to the "super wizard" write in it your secrets and observations for use. The book must be protected at all costs there is only one and can only be one. For in it is the spell to make the transfer possible. You will be the only one who can read the book and you cannot make copies.

I have written my final arrangements on this document. Professor McGonnogel will become the new headmaster at Hogwarts, you will be offered a teaching spot here at Hogwarts. Harry, you have a choice of course but I ask that you take it. You will be the one, you will be the protector of all that is good and you must protect and teach the new witches and wizards the ways of the good and light path. In time, you will become headmaster.

Once the transfer is complete you will know all the secrets I posess, all the spells all the magic I and my predecessors have done will be at your disposal. Use any and all to defeat Voldermort. You saw me fight Voldermort at the Ministry of Magic, you must use all tools at your disposal to defeat Voldermort. You may even have to try the forbidden curse. Do not worry about the ramifications, you must defeat him at all costs. He will be equal to your magic power...but hopefully the special something inside you will make you more powerful than him. That is our only hope.

Be happy Harry, be humble with your new power.
Lets start the transfer....

Harry goes on to fight and defeat Voldermort....but at a price....maybe his scar always hurts for the rest of his life etc...

Here is my ending.
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They were sitting at the same table they had sat at 7 years ago on their first night in Hogwarts. They looked at each other blankly, as if they couldn't speak. Many unanswered questions floated in there heads. What had caused it? Why did it have to be this way? Why couldn't we lead normal lives? They all wondered the same thing. As they sat there and pondered, they could not help but think of there savior. The one who gave his life to them, so they could live in happiness. The one with the scar.

I think the final battle will happen in the chamber of secrets and harry and voldemort will both die in the end thats prolly why jk wont write more books because he will be dead .....i like the idea what dumbledort put that would be very cool

Dumbledore is not someone to just "give" all of his knowledge away to someone.

I think he will continue to protect Harry, untill there is nothing he can do to keep LV and HP apart. (final battle)

Final sentence if Harry wins:

After everyone left, Harry looked at his face in the mirror, pushed his hair off his forehead, and gently ran his finger down the scar.


Final sentence if LV wins:

After everyone left LV looked at his new face in the mirrow, pushed his hair off his forehead, and gently ran his finger down the scar.

Which brings me to my other theory. Has anyone even considered that Harry was a squib? I think it would make sense if the only reason he survived the initial attack was because of his magical mother giving her life for his. When Voldemort did AK on Harry it rebounded off of him and defeated Voldemort. So now we think that this magical kid has extra magical powers. Wrong! I think the overall importance of his scar is that is where ALL of his magical powers are located. That is why he can do some things only Voldemort can do and he has the power to defeat him. Now that I think about it, I think JKR has been hinting at this all through the series.



The theory of Harry being a squib has been mentioned on several other threads, however that's not possible because in the first book, it's stated that Harry's name was down in the book for Hogwarts since birth.

doesnt the prophecy say one must die at the hand of the other..
if we take this to mean something other then elf's theory.. that would seem to imply that only one of voldemort or harry can be killed by their oposing force..
that would kind of lean toward both of them not dieing in the final battle..

I do you think the final battle will take place while Harry is still in school, or after he's graduated (and by all legal terms, a full-fledged wizard)?

Finals always carry min 1good and 1 bad solutions with them.
Our thoughts and wishes could be fullfilled by a happy end, which contents everything is over, or our wishes could not be fullfilled what defintely means nothing is over and the story goes on.

Neither if Jo will end up everything in 1 or the other direction i takes a kind of bitter taste.
But why doesnt we discuss something between? I always see black and white solutions but everybody knows there is much grey between.
At First thnx for ur Final end creation, espacially those who tried to write it in a storyline. But something is confusing me.
Jo´s Art of writing contents some new creation of writing, some magical solution to express herself and she didnt do the one thing.
She ever ( thats my oppinion ) took her own thing. She didnt uses verbal notes u can read in other books, she not influenced to uses old versions of telling stories. Surely she has done something what does make it so difficult to catch the readers mind.
Creativ solutions with a special recipe to write in her own story.
I think if i gonna write a story i must ran 10 thousand times forward pushing my head against a wall to be sure to be able create my own Storyline, by expressing my own words, leaving those similaries behind. ( examples : expressing feelings symbols: Red roses, which are lying on the green field , which lead to the final, the final light of warmth we first mentioned by opening the blue eyes everybody has, through which god sees, hes done well. In some way i wrote this down, but i was sure using these elements evrybody has read or seen in other poems, books, commercials.)
Jo does not use those similaries, she doing her own way expressing things and she always get a surpirse for us.

Discussion theories is nice thing, but ive not read until now the grey areas of
creativity everybody here has in, to produce express their own solutions.

I dont wanna push someone but i ve seen a lot of star wars, indiana jones, startrek and highlander stories in here how the final could be.

"only one can survive" Highlander
"Lightings out of fingers" Starwars
"dark powers threatens the light"Starwars


"killing evil by loving it", which can be a signature of JO cause ive read she is christian and has a lot of love in herself, helping people etc.

I am wondering what everyone thinks the role of the DA in the final battle will be. Does anyone have any theories on that?

A possible ending would be that Harry killed Vldemort in a battle. About this: "The Dark Lord has vanished, forever. So did Harry's scar." Souinds stupid, I know.

I am wondering what everyone thinks the role of the DA in the final battle will be. Does anyone have any theories on that?
Many members of DA are Harry's friends. I think that they'll support him and the Order against the DE.

Many members of DA are Harry's friends. I think that they'll support him and the Order against the DE.
Sorry, that was kind of vague. I meant what skills they might have or bring, if they fight. Do we think they can overcome the Death Eaters? Speculations along those lines. (I was going to start a new thread, but Barbara Kennedy kindly directed me here, so...)

thats a somewhat scary theory. but its rather intriguing

I think it is going to be a marvelous, but not annoyingly long ending. I really hope harry doesnt die, i mean he couldn't, for the series to be over, since then Voldemort would have full reign

This is very vague but I think the final battle will be between Voldemort and Harry, and it will take place in the department of mysteries. Both of them will fall into the veil but instead of them both dying they will continue the battle there. Everybody in the DOM thinks that they have both died when in reality they are both still fighting behind the veil.
Harry has to embrace the power of love/forgiveness/truth whatever it is and kills Voldemort, and because Voldemort was killed in a place where so many people have died by his hand, the power of his death brings back the lives of those he has killed, and Harry sees his parents and Sirius and everybody else that has ever been killed by Voldemort.

EDIT: that's a pile of pants

Harry to fall through the veiled door, and die, after defeating Voldemort.
Harry to disappear forever.

I am wondering what everyone thinks the role of the DA in the final battle will be. Does anyone have any theories on that?

I think the DA will probably be there as well, if it's continued in HBP. I mean, in book 5, there were already people being added to the "final group" that's always fighting at the end, and considering the whole PURPOSE of the DA, it would be a good display of...loyalty? strength?...for Harry to be backed up by them during the final battle.

Or he could just randomly fight Voldemort ;-)

The theories about them fighting in the veil are pretty intriguing too, since I'm dying to know what it is...--sigh--, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see, eh?

thats a somewhat scary theory. but its rather intriguing

I think it is going to be a marvelous, but not annoyingly long ending. I really hope harry doesnt die, i mean he couldn't, for the series to be over, since then Voldemort would have full reign


Not necessarily, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the prophecy says "neither can live while the other survives...", so technically they CAN both die, though that would be pretty evil of JKR...

If they did fight behind the Veil perhaps Sirius would be able to help harry since he fell in to

I've always wondered with the "Final Battle" threads if there is even going to be one in the first place. It seems just a little too dramatic and hollywood for me, DEs and mountain giants + Voldemort storming Hogwarts while students, teachers and house elves defending themselves while somewhere inside the castle Harry and Voldemort pair off against one another. It just sounds too spectacular and cliched.

I think eventually there will be a Harry and Voldemort face off but not one of the duel between DD and Voldemort in OOTP (as harry still IMO wouldn't have gained enough magical knowledge to reach that level yet) but similar to that GOF but different in the nature of encounter. Voldemort being his usual self likes to prolonge the death of Harry and speak a bit, does stupid little mistakes here and there which will lead to his downfall. Much like in LOTR - Sauron did not take notice of Frodo and Sam because he was distracted in thinking he was on the verge of victory.

As for the ending, I think Harry will live. After all, I would think he deserves it after what Jo has put him through and I can't imagine that she would end the book with everyone grieving for Harry - celebrating yes for victory over Voldemort - but teachers/students/friends all being sad about it. Everyone likes a happy ending, and I can't see Jo doing that. The reason I say that is because you only have to look at the reactions of McGonagall, DD and Hagrid in PS/SS to see what kind of mood it would be if Harry died.

The final chapter IMO will be a brief epilogue of what occurs after the Second WW.

I always pictured the final battle and Harry's fight with Voldemort happening simultaneously but not necessarily in the same location.

There could be an all-out assault by Voldemort's forces upon the Ministry or Hogwarts or some other place that happens as a diversion while Voldemort personally tries to get to and deal with Harry.

Kreacher continues to live at #12 Grimmauld place, and hates his guests, but does not leave (he leaves the first time to get his guests out. They do not abandon their HQ so easily; Kreacher stays in line because Dumbledore forces him to at first.) If the DA continues as a legitimate Hogwarts Club, Malfoy and his Cronies will want to join to cause trouble. Harry refuses at first, Dumbledore forces him to give them combat training, and Harry will finally ask "Professor, we KNOW that most Slytherins turn out to be evil. Why don't we march them all through the veil." Then Dumbledore explains the benefits of forgiveness, and reminds Harry that he is not going to operate like a Death Eater or Nazi butcher. During Christmas break at Grimmauld place (which becomes the Weasley's temporary wartime home. Arthur and Molly want to protect their family, and Grimmauld place is better protected than the Burrow. They are not entirely happy with this arrangement, but live with it for safety's sake) Harry will forgive Kreacher, who stays at Grimmauld place and grows closer to his guests (so force is no longer as important in keeping him in check). Then Voldemort kills Lucius Malfoy for incompetence and Narcissa Malfoy because she happens to be at home at the time. The death of his father is irrelevant compared to his reaction to his mother's death. After Draco sees how truly evil the Dark side is, he becomes an orphan, forgives Harry and Harry returns the feelings, and both houses will unite, as the Sorting Hat tells everyone to. Later Voldemort duels with Harry, as is the custom laid out by all the previous Books (except Book 3) and both of their wands will break (this will be another side-effect of forcing similar wands to duel. This one will be longer than the duel in Book 4, and his wand was ready to explode back then.) Harry barely escapes; Dumbledore may die (otherwise he is mortally wounded) helping him get out.

Book 7 will begin with the feeling that the only thing keeping Voldemort away from Hogwarts is that he needs a new wand and time to get used to it. Fawkes goes to Harry after Dumbledore dies, because Harry is the next-most pure-hearted person on Earth at the time. He also donates another feather so Harry can get a new wand that is similar to his old one. If Dumbledore survives the Book 6 battle, his last acts are to forge a new wand for Harry out of Fawkes' feather, and to tell his staff to train the boy. Snape blames Harry for Dumbledore's death (not entirely without reason) and he and Harry fight. After an extensive exchange of verbal and magical blows, Snape learns that Harry is not his father and is disgusted by how Sirius and James behaved in the pensive (and that Sirius himself also regretted his behaviour but never told Snape), and Harry learns why Dumbledore trusted Snape (and also learns to trust him.) They do not forgive each-other but come to an understanding, a halting of outright hostility even. Thus Voldemort is at a disadvantage when he and Harry duel in Godric's Hollow (he lures Harry there somehow, maybe because Harry is worried that Voldemort plans on using his parents' corpses or their place of death as a means to kill their son) while his Death Eaters attack Hogwarts. Harry wins, just barely (making us wonder how powerful Dumbledore was since he went at it against a Voldemort armed with a wand he was good at using) ending his War at the exact place it started. He goes back to Hogwarts (we have to guess the details of how this played out during the trip to Godric's Hollow, we will never know exactly what happens and the Battle of Hogwarts shall forever remain a mystery) to learn that, although the Death Eaters and various Dark Creatures were repelled and sustained heavy losses, there were losses on both sides. Some of his classmates are dead, as well as Hermione (or Ron, less likely but possible) and the entire school mourns together (including Slytherin.) Harry goes back to London on the Hogwarts Express, but does not attack Malfoy, as is the custom laid out by all the previous Books. He becomes an Auror and hunts down the last remaining Death Eaters. Neville becomes Prof Sprout's assistant and takes over as Herbology Professor after she retires. The main characters might marry each-other depending on who is left alive, and whether or not they love each-other.

I believe that the world works like this...something good happens...something bad happens...therefore its like a countor reaction, like the whole negative negative thing...if something good happens something bad has to aswell. Therefore I believe that Harry will learn this 'new power' and will kill voldy adn the scar will vanish, becasue *** bad has already happened, (sirius 'dying') therefore the good will be voldy dying

I saw this on a weird fansite that says book 7 will end like this:

.....all of a sudden, Harry sat up in bed, his face pale and sweaty. He reached for his glasses and put them on. He had been having a horrible dream that he was fighting a dark wizard named Volzemodrit (or somethign like that) and that he was a mighty wizard with a hideous scar on his head. Instinctively, Harry reached for a mirror and examined his visage upon it.

There was no scar. Harry let out a deep sigh of relief and dropped the mirror.

"Harry! Breakfast!" His mother, Lily called from downstairs in the kitchen.

I think the final fight is going to be at Hogwarts. This is because it is said Voldemort never dared try to over take Hogwarts during his last spell as Dark Lord. However as he is going to rise "more great and terrible than before" it wouldn't suprise me if the last battle was at Hogwarts.
Personally I feel that Voldemort with first fight Dumbledore...and Dumbledore will die :upset: followed by Harry fighting Voldy. Personally I think Harry will survive and become Defence Against the Dark Arts Teacher and eventually Headmaster

I think that Bellatrix is the closest thing Voldermort feels to loving someone, and Harry will kill Bellatrix. Making Voldermort feel pain he has never felt before, and that will have something to do with his downfall.

I remember watching the A&E biography of JK a few years ago, and in it she said that she had written the last chapter which is an epilouge that tells about what happens to the characters that survive, because some are going to have to die. So we are going to know a little of what happens to those who surivive. I'm not totally sure that Harry is going to be one of those. I use to think he had 50-50 chance..but since it came out that the last word is scar....I've bumped his chances of living up to 60... I'm not sure about Dumbledore (50-50) but if Dumbledore does die it would probably be near the final battle. I honestly think that one of the trio will die and I see this happening in the finial battle, whether it is Harry or Ron or Hermione. I think that the final battle will happen in DoM...I just can't see it happening at Hogwarts.

Originally posted by saralk
I think that Bellatrix is the closest thing Voldermort feels to loving someone, and Harry will kill Bellatrix. Making Voldermort feel pain he has never felt before, and that will have something to do with his downfall.

Wow! I had never thought of this! That is very interseting! Maybe Harry will defeat LV with the very force that saved him (love?).In my opinion, since the last word will be "scar" then I think that Harry will probably live! I would cry for hours if he died! Actually i'll cry for hours anyway, but........

I think that the "final battle" will occur at Hogwarts or Godric's Hollow. I'm not so sure about the whole, "Harry wakes up and the whole thing was just a dream" thing. Personally, I don't think someone would write seven years of story to end it all with an "it wasn't real".

Maybe the ending will be something like this....

"Harry put his arms around Ron and Hermione, and with the greatest sense of relief, set off up the castle lawn, leaving the behind the memories of his scar."

Something like that! It's a bit corny, but oh well!

Nah, i dont think harry will live, i think it will end something like

"They all stood silently in an air of numb disbelief, all of them staring down at the corpse on the floor. Clearly dead, he lay there. Motionless. Paler than any of them had ever seen him. His once alert, fantastically green eyes where now dull and unoccupied. Hermione walked forward and kneeled down beside him, he was in the middle of a pool of blood, blood that was given so bravely to save the lives of others. The cold silence was broken somewhat by Albus Dumbledore's steps toward harry, when he reached his body he too, like hermione, kneeled down and stared at his white face, his half-opened mouth, his jet black hair, round broken glasses, untidy black hair. Harry's body was sprawled across the floor rather crookedly that the others in the background tried to focus on something else in the room, but failed miserably. Hermione seemed to be looking at dumbledore hopefully, as if he could suddenly bring him back, alas, he could not, he had always said that there is no spell that could revive the dead, and that there are things worse than death. Albus Dumbledore lay one of his hands on harrys ice cold cheeks and a tear fell from his long silvery beard onto the surface of harrys face. He stood up and silently beckoned the others to leave the room, they all followed suit, one by one, they slowly left. Dumbledore stood alone over harry's body, bent down one last time and kissed his his forehead. He whispered silently in harry's ear. "Your truly are the boy who lived". Dumbledore stood up and walked toward the door to leave only to find Mrs.Weasley's pale face peering through the gap at the threshold. "Its over Molly. He's gone" Dumbledore said croakily. Mrs.Weasly burst into tears and ran away from sight, the man with the long silver beard, too, went through the door and looked back for the last time at his face, his eyes, and as he shut the door behind him, he quickly gazed upon one last time at Harry Potters Scar."

LOL :rotfl: sorry got carried away there

i think harry and vordermort will come face to face at the end of the book while harry isn't friends with hermione and ron. harry could die from voldermort but voldermort gives him another chance this happens again but harry gets out of it without voldermorts help then harry could kill voldermort at the end of the fight but lets him live. and walks away. dumbledore tells the school what is happening at the time when harry and voldermort is togther, (he has a power???) the school finds out what harry goes through for once and the trio make friends...

i also think the final battle will be at hogwarts because he will rise more powerful then before and if the final battle is at hogwarts it will truly hurt everyone there, voldermort could destory hogwarts go face to face with dumbledore, dumbledore dies leaving it up to harry. the people that does survive are in the forest when dumbledore dies but come out abit when they see harry going face to face with him. hermione adnr on come up nect to him getting ready ti fight but harry says to them 'go and don't come never mind what happens, if one of us dies it will be me, not you to, this is my battle nd i must fight myself' or something along those lines.


harry can't die cause the world will die with him :upset:

i just read this thread and never heard about th elast word being scar, theres some interestiong thoughts here and on thing i was thinking was maybe harry in his last battle with voldie kills him, and a same lighting scar is inflicted on him...

I believe JKR has said the final battle has to do with things Harry found out in COS. Could it be that to defeat V he has to do kill/destroy something else, like he did with the diary and Tom Riddle? Now this could relate to the essance divided scene with Dumbledor, and that V has placed part of his essence/soul/spirit into something else and that this must be destroyed or killed. Could it be Nagini? Could it be some artifact that is in the Chamber of Secrets? Or is it in Harry? hmmm that would be frightening, kill one's self to save the world. nah to cliche for JKR, or is it...

Mercer

i posted something about nagini in the "what steps did voldermort take to protect his soul" thread im convinced Voldermort left part of himself in Nagini his soul or something becuase JK always mentions how snake like he is also when you type in Nagini at google check out the figure of a nagini its a woman with a snake wrapped around her similar to ootp fight with dumbledore

I think that Bellatrix is the closest thing Voldermort feels to loving someone, and Harry will kill Bellatrix. Making Voldermort feel pain he has never felt before, and that will have something to do with his downfall.


I totally agree . And when this happen they will be like 50 to 50, and after they 'll fight...

I saw this on a weird fansite that says book 7 will end like this:

.....all of a sudden, Harry sat up in bed, his face pale and sweaty. He reached for his glasses and put them on. He had been having a horrible dream that he was fighting a dark wizard named Volzemodrit (or somethign like that) and that he was a mighty wizard with a hideous scar on his head. Instinctively, Harry reached for a mirror and examined his visage upon it.

There was no scar. Harry let out a deep sigh of relief and dropped the mirror.

"Harry! Breakfast!" His mother, Lily called from downstairs in the kitchen.

If that was how it all ended, i would cry, :upset: :upset: :upset:

But imagined harry having a battle with voldemort, while the rest of Hogwarts was dealing with death eater, or something like that.


I believe JKR has said the final battle has to do with things Harry found out in COS.

Didn't she say that Half Blood Prince would have to do with CoS, i might be wrong, so plz tell me if i am

Harry telling lord V what damage and pain he's caused over the years... and making him feel it throught the scar.

Harry and friends all give Voldemort a big group hug and the love causes him to explode.

If only it was that easy. :sigh:

Harry and Voldie square of in an epic battle both exibiting skills like or greater than Voldi's and Dumbledores in the Ministry. Either they both die and the surrviving menbers of the DA crowd around him, "Ron, look, there is no scar.". Or Harry wins and "Harry, where's your scar?".

Now this seems strange,even to me,but what if we are
totally wrong how this ends?. Now my point,what if
instead of Jo killing Harry in book 7,she kills everybody
Harry cares about,and Harry kills V,and he is still alive?.
I just couldn't stand that,to have Harry totally alone and
no one there with him. But the way Jo writes these I
wouldn't be surprised if she did that. I would hope tho
that Jo isn't that ruthless.Whattaya think?

Harry and friends all give Voldemort a big group hug and the love causes him to explode.

If only it was that easy. :sigh:


That's hilarious!! :rotfl:

Well, I very much doubt it though. All though it would've been nice... :lol:.


Well, I think that the final battle will NOT take place in the final chapter of book 7. I'm sure it'll be second to last chapter.

So...here’s my thoughts on the Final Battle. I think it’ll take place in Hogwarts, but if it doesn’t, then my second choice is the Locked Room in DoM.
At that time, Voldemort would finally know the full contents of the Prophecy. He would not acknowlege Harry as "his equal" as the prophecy states.
Voldemort and Harry will be fighting face-to-face. They will have their wand in one hand and a sword in the other. (Harry's sword will be Godric Gryffindor's Sword, and Voldemort's sword may be Salazar Slytherin's Sword.)
Voldermort will probably order his Death Eaters to stay put until he kills Harry, and after that, they have permision to kill/hunt/torture the members of the Order (and at least some of the members of DA). This shows Voldermort's pride and ego.

Harry and Voldemort will both put up extremely good piece of fighting. Their wands would not work against each other, so they'll use their swords.

Voldermort will somehow manage to kill Harry *wait!! Don't murder me yet!! * by stabbing him near his chest, and he will believe that Harry is gone forever. The DE's will be fighting against the Order fo the Phoenix, and some of the members of Dumbledore's Army.

And then, Harry will see fleeting glance of his parents and Sirius, which gives him hope. The spirits of his decesed loved ones will give him more power and enable him to come back to life. Voldemort will be unaware of all of this, and Harry will attack Voldemort while Voldemort isn't paying attention to him.

The scene will freeze for some minutes, and Voldemort will show bit of respect and finally acknowlege Harry as "his equal" as the prophecy states.
The DE's will continue fighting against DA and OotP, leaving Voldemort and Harry alone.

They will fight for many more minutes, and then somehow, they'll use their wands against each other and the beads will stay exactly in the middle and a golden bubble of light, caused by Harry's power (whatever it is), will encase them...

BOOM!!! The earth will tremble for two seconds and The golden bubble is gone. Voldemort and Harry are both found knocked out. Voldemort will die from this, and Harry will be very close to death...really, really close.
His friends and mentors will surround him, trying to get him back to life. Meanwhile, Harry is floating somewhere between life and death, when a girl (whoever his loved one is) enters his mind and Harry will try to get hold of the girl, and he will be dragged back to Life.

Well......that's my theory, but I'm sure that I'm wrong. My theory seems a bit too mundane and general. I'm sure the Jo will have more creative ideas about the Final Battle. Well...

I don't know, I've always had this idea that maybe Harry's scar disappears at the end because it is sort of the external physical manifestation of that little bit of Voldemort he has from his first encounter. I thought something like, "...seeing that he no longer had his scar." Or, "[character] shouted, "Harry! It's gone! Your scar!" Something like that, but I'm not sure.

About Harry dying:

here's the excerp from the interview with Jo:

JEREMY PAXMAN: So you know what is going to become of all the major characters over the span of the series?

JK ROWLING: Yeah..yeah.

JEREMY PAXMAN: Why stop when they grow up? Might be interesting to know what becomes of Harry as an adult.

JK ROWLING: How do you know he'll still be alive?

JEREMY PAXMAN: Oh. At the end of book 7?

JK ROWLING: It would be one way to kill of the merchandising.

Based on this, I don't think Jo will kill Harry. Jo never joked about killing Sirius. In fact, she was stuttering and she said that she cried whiile she was writing the scene. But now, why would she joke about killing her most beloved, main character if he is going to die? eh?

veil_walker i agree with that- i've thought it for ages. because the battle would kind of 'cancel out' that remnant of voldemort. it remains to be seen.
i should post here my favourite theory as to the book's conclusion. those of you who know the phrase 'not over untiul the fat lady sings' will sympathise with my theory that the duel will take place in hogwarts, and jsut as harry is about to die the fat lady portrait will awake, sing loudly and shatter all the glass, somehow assisting in vanquishing voldemort (we all know how powerful music is, she might get help from fawkes) and thus the saying will come true. i think it would be a good ending...funny anyway...

Mikedemort, that has to be the most depressing ending - everyone dying except Harry and him having to survive without all the people he loves. I hope for the sake of everyone reading the series that JK doesn't go with such a sad ending. You're right, though, it would be unexpected (and depressing, and miserable...).

Righty-ho, my thoughts:
I'd say the last battle will be one of the mind/emotions (does that make sense?). There has been hints that their wands won't really work well against eachother (GoF, therre has to be relevance there), Harry defeated Voldie the first time round with love, the dreams/mind control of Voldie has to be leading to something, and a duel is just too, well, standard. After all, that would just be beating LV at his own game - violence - and that's not really what Lily died for. And do you all really think Harry will ever be strong enough to duel against LV himself, when DD had a hard time at it?

*weird theory ahoy*My vote is for a mind version of the GoF Prior Incantum thingy. As in,
- there was a connection between LV and HP's wands (their minds are connected),
- it started being used against Harry as the beads moved toward his wand (Voldie's planting dreams in Harry's head),
- but then Harry noticed what was happenning (Snape explained things),
- and with concentration (the Occlumency lessons) he turned the tables on Voldie.

I think that (continuing this Prior incantum thing) Harry will start focusing on the job at hand in HBP, and learn to use this connection agains Voldemort.

His parents will appear (in spirit/pensieves/memories/giving him strength, etc.) and eventually Harry will destroy Voldie through his "power the Dark Lord knows not", i.e. (imo) love, through his mind.


What do you all think? It's a weird parallel, but JKR said GoF was a very important book...

i have envisioned the ending a number of times in my head, and as you said, i think the "final battle" scenario is almost too predictable. though i don't doubt there will be some kind of confrontation, and some attempt at battle between harry and voldemort, i also think that we won't see much of it.

a couple of things that have steered me away from the "battle" scenario and toward my theories (which i will detail shortly):
1) harry doesn't want to kill voldemort. he thinks killing voldemort would make him a murderer. given that he feels this way, i don't know how jkr would reconcile the reluctant hero's victory if it means he has become a murderer.
2) when harry was ready to kill someone, it was the wrong someone. the only time he has been angry enough to kill was when he tried to strangle sirius black. and it didn't take much to deflate harry's anger to the point that he didn't want peter--the real traitor--to be killed at all.
3) when harry tried to use the cruciatus curse against bellatrix lestrange, he wasn't angry enough and it was a feeble attempt at torture. this leads me to suspect that he would never have the gumption to kill voldemort--who really has earned a good killing (IMO).

so if harry doesn't want to kill voldemort, where does that leave us?

well, there would have to be an alternative to the "show down" scenario so many people have envisioned.
here are a few possibilities:
1) harry weakens voldemort with the "power the dark lord knows not" and voldemort has no will to continue the fight... voldemort turns to the good side... voldemort kills himself....
---though i don't find any of these solutions very plausible. voldemort seems too far gone, especially considering he killed his own father. i think that act itself has taken voldemort down a path of no return. so for this reason, i'm sort of ruling "conversion" out for voldemort.

2) the link between voldemort and harry is such that killing one would kill the other. so harry kills himself in order to take voldemort down with him.
--now while i feel this to be plausible, i don't find it very appealing. harry killing himself to kill voldemort seems to fly in the face of all of the people who have already died so that he could live and have a chance. and while it would fulfill certain themes to have harry kill himself, i feel that it would be in violation of everything that everyone has been fighting for. honestly, what would it be saying to have the main character building up his whole life in preparation for sacrifice. he's not jesus--i'd rather the story not go there.

3) they somehow end up at the DoM again, in the death chamber, and voldemort falls through the veil. as someone proposed earlier on this thread, this would certainly be an efficient and certain way of getting rid of voldemort for good. i can imagine something like harry uses his "power the dark lord knows not" to weaken voldemort (perhaps he overpowers voldemort with his feelings of love for the people who he still has left in his life--or perhaps he overpowers voldemort with his own willingness to die to save everyone else) and this leaves voldemort vulnerable. a shove, or even voldemort tripping (perhaps clumsy neville could be involved) could send voldemort through the veil and harry wouldn't have to be a killer at all.

4) perhaps the wording of the prophecy actually hides the true nature of their link, and attempting to kill "the other" is what brings about the downfall of the one making the attempt. for example: if voldemort tried to kill harry, it could be that the "killing" would suck his own life force. voldemort could end up destroying himself in attempting to destroy harry.
--now i can't really envision the specifics of how or why this would be, but jkr could easily incorporate some kind of loop hole to this effect. especially when anything that makes harry a killer tends to liken him to the dark lord ("and he will mark him as his equal").

6) dumbledore dies to save harry (because he loves him) and harry is once again protected by the ancient magic that protected him in the first place. voldemort, not suspecting this, attempts to kill harry with the AK curse and is once again torn from his body and is defeated for good.
--now i admit i find this scenario the most appealing, as it would bring the story full circle. it would leave harry free from having to kill, and it would place the blame back on voldemort. he would have destroyed himself in trying to destroy harry.

i'm sure there are countless other scenarios that are all very likely, but this brief list is just a gross summary of some examples of what i think we could see. i personally like the last one best, though. ;)

Like his mother died to save him, Harry owes his life to someone's elses love. My theory is his life is a kind of `love debt' which needs to be paid back. I think Voldermort will threaten someone Harry loves with a death curse, and Harry will take the brunt of that curse himself, which will somehow destroy Voldemort....a kinda love times two, the love in his veins and the love he shows. Sacrifice is the key theme in the story. His mother died for him, Sirius died when he came running to his rescue, Harry hs had a lot of people who loved him sacrifice for him, and possibly many more by the time we reach book 7. I believe Harry will pay that debt by dying to protect someone he loves. As Dumbledore says `there are somethings worse than death than you cannot comprehend" to Voldemort, and that is what Harry will comprehend....that as Sirius said, there are some things worth dying for, and that is what Harry will do.

I kno in the other thread people were mentioning "what if its all a dream"
maybe Harry really was in a car accident....and is unconcious and dreaming of this wizard world?

A great idea for the ending (and the whole series) would be to make the very first and very last chapter of the whole series related somehow. What I mean is that if you are reading HP for the first time ever (highly unlikely!) and read only the very first chapter of the first book (Philosopher's Stone) and the last chapter of the seventh book, without reading anything else at all, you would understand the whole story. A very farfetched idea, but a smart one because it shows how in depth words can be, displaying the most crucial moments of the series.

I think she said somewhere that the last chapter is more of a epilogue
well, the start of the first book was kind of a prologue

i was just looking through a hp website when i came across an interview between j.k.rowling and the website editor.
in it she said the following:
She tells us what happens to the pupils in future life-as in after school
she tells us that harry,ron and hermionie all live to be 17-so the therory of on e of them dieing cannot b true.
the webpage is:
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/book_6-7.html#seventh
if this doesnt work simply type www.hp-lexicon.org
then once there click on the 7th book
reply wot u think!!
emxx

Judgeing by the things that JKR has said, I don't think that Harry will live. I don't think that Voldemort will live either. Since JKR has already said that she has no plans to write anymore books after the seventh and she has already written the last chapter, it's pretty safe to say that Harry won't live. Although, I have to say that Harry dieing would upset a lot of readers. After all the series was at first geared toward children. If Harry dies in the end any children reading the series would be traumatised I would think. Most kids are taught that good always wins out in the end and that even though not everyone gets a happy ending, good people who work hard usually come out on top. Harrys death would completely discredit that.