Little Questions Answered v14

Perhaps Harry had eaten a bit too much, because he had a very strange dream. He was wearing Professor Quirrell's turban, which kept talking to him, telling him he must transfer to Slytherin at once because it was his destiny. Harry told the turban he didn't want to be in Slytherin; it got heavier and heavier; he tried to pull it off but it tightened painfully- and there was
Malfoy, laughing at him as he struggled with it- then Malfoy turned into the hook-nosed teacher, Snape, whose laugh became high and cold- there was a burst of green light and Harry woke, sweating and shaking.

I've been wondering- what is the significance, if any, of that dream? Is it foreshadowing?

Perhaps that was the mind link already at work without either Voldemort or Harry knowing about it then?

Harry had Voldemort's soul in him that had a link with Voldemort and Nagini, two other live souls.

Perhaps Voldemort in Qurriell's head was thinking in frustration about Harry not being sorted into Slytherin and that thought was transferred to Harry in his dreams.

what house was quirrel in?

We don't know. But that's a good question.

Perhaps that was the mind link already at work without either Voldemort or Harry knowing about it then?

Harry had Voldemort's soul in him that had a link with Voldemort and Nagini, two other live souls.

Perhaps Voldemort in Qurriell's head was thinking in frustration about Harry not being sorted into Slytherin and that thought was transferred to Harry in his dreams.I think it was the mind link working.

what house was quirrel in? There is no information on that, it's never mentioned that he even was a student at Hogwarts, thouth he probably was.

It's probably been asked and discussed somewhere, but I couldn't find it.
Why was it necessary that Voldemort himself performed the AK on Harry? Is it so that the blood bond only worked in regard to Voldemort, so Harry could die if someone else tried to kill him?
Was there any significance for Harry's survival in him not putting up a fight? Obviously, it's what makes the whole thing a "sacrifice" that stops Voldemort's spells from being binding, but how does it affect Harry's chance of returning to life?

what house was quirrel in?

Although we haven't been told specifically, I like to think he was in Ravenclaw, Hagrid mentions that he had a "brilliant mind" - intelligence: check
and although he was deceived and later fully possessed by Voldemort, Quirrell himself likes to think that Voldemort won him over by successfully arguing that "There is no good and evil, just power and people too weak to seek it" - logical mind: check. (Warped logic, but still) Plus, not all the bad guys are going to have been Slytherins. Just what comes across to me though. Quotes above are from Philosophers Stone and are probably not verbatim.

I have a question too, after the raid at the Ministry, why didn't the Ministry/Voldemort become aware that Harry was working with two accomplices and put 2 and 2 together to figure out it was Ron? The Spattergroit ruse wasn't rumbled until Ron was taken to Malfoy Manor.

vapormist, not too sure why it had to be Voldemort, you're probably right about it being the blood bond. As for not putting up a fight, Harry was going to have to die, whether he put up a fight or not. By not putting up a fight, he technically didn't "lose" and so retained the loyalty of the Elder Wand. If he had fought, knowing he would have to lose and die anyway the Elder wand would probably have considered him beaten and transferred its loyalty to Voldemort.

This question is a bit of a crappy one compared to others posted here, but here it is anyway:

How did Minerva know that it was Ginny that was taken into the Chamber?

It's probably been asked and discussed somewhere, but I couldn't find it.
Why was it necessary that Voldemort himself performed the AK on Harry? Is it so that the blood bond only worked in regard to Voldemort, so Harry could die if someone else tried to kill him?

It wasn't really necassary that Voldemort killed Harry himself. Voldemort just interpreted the prophecy incorrectly. Even so, he wanted to kill Harry to make him pay for all the past suffering he had caused Voldemort over the years.

It wasn't really necassary that Voldemort killed Harry himself. Voldemort just interpreted the prophecy incorrectly. Even so, he wanted to kill Harry to make him pay for all the past suffering he had caused Voldemort over the years.
But didn't Dumbledore tell Snape that Voldemort needed to be the one to try to kill Harry? Or am I mis-remembering?

But didn't Dumbledore tell Snape that Voldemort needed to be the one to try to kill Harry? Or am I mis-remembering?

Hmm it may be. I think that might have just that Dumbledore told Snape that Voldemort thought he had to kill Harry himself. I'll look it up though. :D

How did Minerva know that it was Ginny that was taken into the Chamber?

Good question, I had never thought about it. I suppose she was alerted by students in Ginny's dorm and when she saw the writing on the wall she assumed it was Ginny. I really don't know :shrug:

Hmm it may be. I think that might have just that Dumbledore told Snape that Voldemort thought he had to kill Harry himself. I'll look it up though. :DFound it. Page 686 American version of DH, Dumbledore tells Snape (in the memory) that it is essential for Voldemort to kill Harry himself. I suppose because of the horcrux connection?

Found it. Page 686 American version of DH, Dumbledore tells Snape (in the memory) that it is essential for Voldemort to kill Harry himself. I suppose because of the horcrux connection?

Yeah, that's what I meant. But if it's the horcrux connection, it doesn't really make sense - anyone's AK should have been strong enough to destroy that bit of soul. Only explanation I can think of is that the blood connection only worked against Voldemort. Still doesn't explain why it made such a difference that Harry didn't fight and was ready to die.

Another thing I thought of - on several occasions we hear of people (Bill, Percy, Barty Crouch Jr.) receiving twelve OWL:s. However, we know from Hermione's experience that only ten subjects fit in the schedule. To take twelve subjects she needed a Time-Turner which had been very difficult to obtain from the Ministry, which makes me think it wasn't exactly common practice, and she hardly got any sleep and it was just generally extremely straining. How did the others manage this? Especially considering that all cases we know of are pure-bloods and thus could hardly have taken the Muggle Studies exam without attending class like Hermione.

Another thing I thought of - on several occasions we hear of people (Bill, Percy, Barty Crouch Jr.) receiving twelve OWL:s. However, we know from Hermione's experience that only ten subjects fit in the schedule. To take twelve subjects she needed a Time-Turner which had been very difficult to obtain from the Ministry, which makes me think it wasn't exactly common practice, and she hardly got any sleep and it was just generally extremely straining. How did the others manage this? Especially considering that all cases we know of are pure-bloods and thus could hardly have taken the Muggle Studies exam without attending class like Hermione.


I wondered about this too, and came up with two possible explanations:

1) It could be that Bill, Percy and Barty were actually only three of a very small number, say 10 at most, of people who received twelve OWLs. I could see the ministry handing out 10 time turners over the last 100 years and still fit your requirement that handing out time turners was not “exactly common practice”.

2) The other thought had a much simpler explanation is that the course schedule is not fixed. It might be that Dumbledore noticed that Harry’s class did not have any candidates that were interested and able to take all twelve subjects, with the exception of Hermione, and scheduled the classes that year accordingly.

2) The other thought had a much simpler explanation is that the course schedule is not fixed. It might be that Dumbledore noticed that Harry’s class did not have any candidates that were interested and able to take all twelve subjects, with the exception of Hermione, and scheduled the classes that year accordingly.
Yeah, I've thought about this too, but it's not like Harry's class gets a lot of free time, and after all the number of hours of teaching given in a subject must be fixed, which makes me think that nine or ten subjects make a full schedule. The other two classes would either have to run into the evening or occur simultaneously with others.
Besides, I'm sure for example Ernie Macmillan would have taken all the subjects he could get.

Found it. Page 686 American version of DH, Dumbledore tells Snape (in the memory) that it is essential for Voldemort to kill Harry himself. I suppose because of the horcrux connection?

It's not because of the horcrux connection (by this I assume you mean the accidental "horcrux" in Harry?). Anyone else who might have killed Harry, or any fatal accident, would have released the bit of Voldemort's soul into oblivion.

The reason Dumbledore said it had to be Voldemort, was because of the fact that Voldy used Harry's blood to return in GoF. Dumbledore believed that this meant the protection of Lily's sacrifice was also in Voldemort's veins, and as such, (ironically), protected Harry from being killed by Voldemort (the original protection). Dumbledore knew that an AK from Voldy's hand would give Harry a chance of survival, and an opportunity to ultimately finish off Voldemort if all the other horcruxes had not yet been destroyed -- Harry would have the choice to go back, which he of course did.

This question is a bit of a crappy one compared to others posted here, but here it is anyway:

How did Minerva know that it was Ginny that was taken into the Chamber?

No, it's not crappy at all, because I was going to ask the same question! All I can come up with, is that McGonagall or someone did a check to see which students were present (like they do in regular schools during a fire drill), but you would think this would have drawn attention from the students. It's a good question.

This question is a bit of a crappy one compared to others posted here, but here it is anyway:

How did Minerva know that it was Ginny that was taken into the Chamber?

No, it's not crappy at all, because I was going to ask the same question! All I can come up with, is that McGonagall or someone did a check to see which students were present (like they do in regular schools during a fire drill), but you would think this would have drawn attention from the students. It's a good question.

No, it's not crappy at all, because I was going to ask the same question! All I can come up with, is that McGonagall or someone did a check to see which students were present (like they do in regular schools during a fire drill), but you would think this would have drawn attention from the students. It's a good question.

Yeah, I've always wondered that too. Especially considering that Harry and Ron weren't where they were supposed to be either, which McGonagall would have been bound to notice if she'd had a name-call. Sure, she would have known it wasn't one of them in the Chamber (HER skeleton), but she would have gone looking for them.

Yeah, I've always wondered that too. Especially considering that Harry and Ron weren't where they were supposed to be either, which McGonagall would have been bound to notice if she'd had a name-call. Sure, she would have known it wasn't one of them in the Chamber (HER skeleton), but she would have gone looking for them.

McGonagall probably used a spell to check for students, to see if anyone is missing. Also, she knew that Harry & Ron were in the hospital, as she had just run into them, and given them permission to go and see Hermione, rather than go to History of Magic. The timeframe between McGonagall running into Ron & Harry and the announcement for students to return to their dormitories is very short, so the most logical explanation is a magical check of some sort.

Yeah, you're right, HedwigOwl, I'd forgotten about them running into McGonagall right before that. I must've been thinking of the movie, although now I think about it, I don't really remember the exact sequence of events there...

Well here's a question: Did Nicolas Flamel and his wife die?

Yes, he has died, as Dumbledore said in the book. There were rumours for one of the books that he would return to teach at Hogwarts. JKR said this:


Flamel has now died; Dumbledore explained in ‘Philosopher’s Stone’ that his old friend was going to choose death rather than allow his stone to fall into the wrong hands.

Both he and his wife would not have been able to live very long with the stone destroyed, and certainly not many years.

I can't remember and I don't have my copy of Deathly Hallows handy to check, so could someone please tell me...

Did the description of the Room of Requirement in its DA Dormitory mode (hammocks, bathroom, house banners, wireless set) include mention of a painting hanging anywhere?

If not, how did Adrianna summon Neville to Aberforth's?

Harry wanted Voldemort dead, he had to be the one to do it, but he couldn't bring himself to use the Avada Kedavra. Couldn't he just have Vanished Voldemort? We don't see any proff that you can bring back Vanished objects, except I think that Dumbledore did with the Sorcerer's Stone. It's my opinion that an exceptionally powerful wizard can do it, thus Albus saying it was one of his brighter ideas. So if Harry Vanished Voldemort, it's likely no one would be able to get him back. I know, lame ending, but it would've been much easier. :D

I can't remember and I don't have my copy of Deathly Hallows handy to check, so could someone please tell me...

Did the description of the Room of Requirement in its DA Dormitory mode (hammocks, bathroom, house banners, wireless set) include mention of a painting hanging anywhere?

If not, how did Adrianna summon Neville to Aberforth's?

The portrait opened up into a bare section of wall, if I remember right. :D

I can't remember and I don't have my copy of Deathly Hallows handy to check, so could someone please tell me...

Did the description of the Room of Requirement in its DA Dormitory mode (hammocks, bathroom, house banners, wireless set) include mention of a painting hanging anywhere?

If not, how did Adrianna summon Neville to Aberforth's?

It doesn't say. All it says is that: "Another short flight of steps led to a door just like the one hidden behind Ariana's portrait."
No mention of any portraits.

I can't remember and I don't have my copy of Deathly Hallows handy to check, so could someone please tell me...

Did the description of the Room of Requirement in its DA Dormitory mode (hammocks, bathroom, house banners, wireless set) include mention of a painting hanging anywhere?

If not, how did Adrianna summon Neville to Aberforth's?
Just because she didn't mention any portrait doesn't mean it isn't there. JKR doesn't need to put in every detail about every room.

Like in the great hall, in book one nothing is said about the little room where the Champions go in, in GOF

it doesnt say there is a portrait,it explains that neville got really hungry and wanted something to eat and suddenly a passage to the hogshead appear...

it doesnt say there is a portrait,it explains that neville got really hungry and wanted something to eat and suddenly a passage to the hogshead appear...

Well, I've always understood that explanation to mean that that the RoR gave Neville what he needed - an exit to that tunnel. The Room couldn't create the tunnel.

The point of my question is there must have been another portrait of their sister somewhere in the castle. She went from her portrait in Aberforth's room to get Neville. The subject of a portrait can move between corresponding portraits in different places, as was shown with the old Headmasters. Either there was a portrait of Adrianna (Arianna? Sorry - still can't find my book) in the RoR with Neville or there was one somewhere else in the castle that she could visit and then go to some other painting in the RoR.

There must have been some painting somewhere in the RoR with them. I just couldn't remember if it had been mentioned. Presumably, Neville's security requirements included the Room trumping the usual ability of any other painting subject inside the castle (Phineas, Sir Cadogan, The Fat Lady, Armando Dippet, et al...) to wander into that painting.

Well, I've always understood that explanation to mean that that the RoR gave Neville what he needed - an exit to that tunnel. The Room couldn't create the tunnel.

The point of my question is there must have been another portrait of their sister somewhere in the castle. She went from her portrait in Aberforth's room to get Neville. The subject of a portrait can move between corresponding portraits in different places, as was shown with the old Headmasters. Either there was a portrait of Adrianna (Arianna? Sorry - still can't find my book) in the RoR with Neville or there was one somewhere else in the castle that she could visit and then go to some other painting in the RoR.

There must have been some painting somewhere in the RoR with them. I just couldn't remember if it had been mentioned. Presumably, Neville's security requirements included the Room trumping the usual ability of any other painting subject inside the castle (Phineas, Sir Cadogan, The Fat Lady, Armando Dippet, et al...) to wander into that painting.

I don't have the exact passage on me right now, but I don't think any specifics were ever given besides that it opened into another section of wall in the RoR. I always just assumed it was a blank stretch of wall, but no definite answer was ever given I think. It's not really a big deal. :shrug:

Well, I've always understood that explanation to mean that that the RoR gave Neville what he needed - an exit to that tunnel. The Room couldn't create the tunnel.

The point of my question is there must have been another portrait of their sister somewhere in the castle. She went from her portrait in Aberforth's room to get Neville. The subject of a portrait can move between corresponding portraits in different places, as was shown with the old Headmasters. Either there was a portrait of Adrianna (Arianna? Sorry - still can't find my book) in the RoR with Neville or there was one somewhere else in the castle that she could visit and then go to some other painting in the RoR.

There must have been some painting somewhere in the RoR with them. I just couldn't remember if it had been mentioned. Presumably, Neville's security requirements included the Room trumping the usual ability of any other painting subject inside the castle (Phineas, Sir Cadogan, The Fat Lady, Armando Dippet, et al...) to wander into that painting.

i am sorry but i dont think there would ,i mean this is the ROR,whatever you need appears,they needed food,so a passage that lead to the hogshead appeared , i suppose it didnt have to be another portrait,just a passage...its only responding to the needs...thats how i see it...:p

i am sorry but i dont think there would ,i mean this is the ROR,whatever you need appears,they needed food,so a passage that lead to the hogshead appeared , i suppose it didnt have to be another portrait,just a passage...its only responding to the needs...thats how i see it...:p

I believe the room can alter itself and create whatever its user requires (subject to the 5 exceptions of the Law of Transfiguration :hmm: ) within the confines of the room itself. It didn't create the tunnel to the Hog's Head.

it doesnt say here anything...of how it appeared,it seems it just appeared,its not explicit in what way...let me quote...

"Id been here about a day and a half,and getting really hungry,and wishing i could get something to eat,and then its when the passage to the Hog´s head oppened up.I went though it and met Abeforth..."

to me it seems it just poped out to being there...:hmm:

Once again I say just because she didn't mention it doesn't mean it isn't there

it doesnt say here anything...of how it appeared,it seems it just appeared,its not explicit in what way...let me quote...

"Id been here about a day and a half,and getting really hungry,and wishing i could get something to eat,and then its when the passage to the Hog´s head oppened up.I went though it and met Abeforth..."

to me it seems it just poped out to being there...:hmm:

Agreed. It seems to have just appeared -- although that doesn't mean it didn't already exist. Here's what Harry notices:
Harry clambered up onto the mantelpiece and through the hole behind Ariana's portrait. There were smooth stone steps on the other side: It looked as though the passageway had been there for years. Brass lamps hung from the walls and the earthy floor was worn and smooth; as they walked, their shadows rippled, fanlike, across the wall.
So, the implication is that it's an old passageway, and that the RoR merely provided access to it. Harry's asking Neville about it, but Neville's more interested in confirming stories they've heard about the trio, and we never find out specifics about the passageway.

So, the implication is that it's an old passageway, and that the RoR merely provided access to it. Harry's asking Neville about it, but Neville's more interested in confirming stories they've heard about the trio, and we never find out specifics about the passageway.



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there you go...good point hedwig owl...

Harry clambered up onto the mantelpiece and through the hole behind Ariana's portrait. There were smooth stone steps on the other side: It looked as though the passageway had been there for years. Brass lamps hung from the walls and the earthy floor was worn and smooth; as they walked, their shadows rippled, fanlike, across the wall.
So, the implication is that it's an old passageway, and that the RoR merely provided access to it.
This is a good piece of evidence. However, it could also imply that the Room of Requirement uses this passage to connect to any place its user needs (in other words, the passage may not always be behind Ariana's portrait - the Room of Requirement may shift it [much like the moving staircases] according to the user's needs).

Nevertheless, perhaps this discussion could be moved to The tunnel between the Room of Requirement and the Hogs Head (http://cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=108822&highlight=requirement), in order to redirect this thread back to its intended purpose.

well,truth be told i am pretty mcuh satisfied with hedwigs owl response,dont care to discuss it any further...thankyou very much...:p

I see no reason why he would need to Disillusion himself. After all, the Room of Requirement is on the way to the Grand Staircase from Dumbledore's office, and he would not have been doing anything wrong simply walking back to the stairs.
Actually, I don't think that location is right. In HBP, when Harry's outside the RoR under his invisibility cloak trying to access the room while Malfoy's there, he literally runs into Tonks, and here's the exchange (bolding is mine):

"What're you doing here?" he said, scrambling to his feet again. Why did she always have to find him lying on the floor?

"I came to see Dumbledore," said Tonks.

Harry thought she looked terrible: thinner than usual, her mouse-colored hair lank.

"His office isn't here," said Harry, "it's on the other side of the castle, behind the gargoyle ---"
Sounds quite a ways off from the RoR to me.

oh well...you had me settled down there for a while...i have decided i dont care...

Actually, I don't think that location is right. In HBP, when Harry's outside the RoR under his invisibility cloak trying to access the room while Malfoy's there, he literally runs into Tonks, and here's the exchange (bolding is mine):

"What're you doing here?" he said, scrambling to his feet again. Why did she always have to find him lying on the floor?

"I came to see Dumbledore," said Tonks.

Harry thought she looked terrible: thinner than usual, her mouse-colored hair lank.

"His office isn't here," said Harry, "it's on the other side of the castle, behind the gargoyle ---"
Sounds quite a ways off from the RoR to me.
I agree that there is conflicting evidence on the location of the Headmaster's Office (in CoS, Dumbledore's office was on the second floor). However, I stand by my earlier statement. I will reference the part when Harry runs to Dumbledore's office because Dumbledore has located the locket (before their excursion to the cave). Harry runs from Gryffindor Tower (on the seventh floor), meets Trelawney at the Room of Requirement, and proceeds to Dumbledore's Office. I believe that the Grand Staircase is on the side nearer to Gryffindor Tower (I think confirmation/rebuttal of this can be found in PoA). Therefore, Voldemort could easily walk from Dumbledore's Office to the Room of Requirement as if he is simply leaving the school.

I agree that there is conflicting evidence on the location of the Headmaster's Office (in CoS, Dumbledore's office was on the second floor). However, I stand by my earlier statement. I will reference the part when Harry runs to Dumbledore's office because Dumbledore has located the locket (before their excursion to the cave). Harry runs from Gryffindor Tower (on the seventh floor), meets Trelawney at the Room of Requirement, and proceeds to Dumbledore's Office. I believe that the Grand Staircase is on the side nearer to Gryffindor Tower (I think confirmation/rebuttal of this can be found in PoA). Therefore, Voldemort could easily walk from Dumbledore's Office to the Room of Requirement as if he is simply leaving the school.
Difficult to tie down the exact location of Dumbledore's office then. In HBP, page 545, Trelawney stops when she realizes that Harry was no longer walking beside her -- they had been walking since page 543 when Harry suggests she also come to Dumbledore's office to tell him about what happened to her in the RoR. And even though Harry runs around the corner past her, it does indeed seem too short of a distance to be "on the other side of the castle". I've also looked in PoA as you suggested, and can't find any reference to the grand staircase in reference to either spot, only that the Gryffindor common room is on 7.

So, seeing that Dumbledore's office location is so hard to pin down from the books, it seems only reasonable to concede that your theory is possible as well. Though I'm still partial to my own theory (aren't we all! :lol:).

The HP Lexicon lists The Headmasters room as being on the 7th. floor along with the RoR and the enterance to the Gryffindor tower both being on 7 as well .

Why did Slughorn know anything about Horcruxes? While the degree to which they were downplayed was increased under Dumbledore, they could hardly have been seen a subject that anybody short of the post of DADA would even want to know anything about, similar to the scientific experiments of Dr. Josef Mengele.

The HP Lexicon lists The Headmasters room as being on the 7th. floor along with the RoR and the enterance to the Gryffindor tower both being on 7 as well .

Yes, but that seems to be the only bit of information that we know for sure. We were trying to pinpoint the location of Dumbledore's office in relation to the RoR & grand staircase. In HBP we have 2 references -- one when Harry runs into Tonks outside the RoR, she says she was at Hogwarts to see Dumbledore and Harry tells her that his office is not here (by RoR), but rather "on the other side of the castle". Yet also in HBP, when Harry & Trelawney walk from the RoR toward Dumbledore's office, it seems like a much shorter distance, not the "other side of the castle".

Why did Slughorn know anything about Horcruxes? While the degree to which they were downplayed was increased under Dumbledore, they could hardly have been seen a subject that anybody short of the post of DADA would even want to know anything about, similar to the scientific experiments of Dr. Josef Mengele.
Slughorn was a skilled and well-read wizard so he had probably come across the term in a book at some point and read a bit more on the subject. As he pointed out to Tom, he really had no knowledge of how to create a Horcrux; Slughorn really only knew the theory of tearing your soul through murder and encasing it in an object. To continue your Mengele analogy, people have an idea of what he worked on usually, especially anyone who has studied the Holocaust or World War II in school, but they would not be able to give you the exact details of the experiments or list off every one that Mengele conducted.

Slughorn was a skilled and well-read wizard so he had probably come across the term in a book at some point and read a bit more on the subject. As he pointed out to Tom, he really had no knowledge of how to create a Horcrux; Slughorn really only knew the theory of tearing your soul through murder and encasing it in an object. To continue your Mengele analogy, people have an idea of what he worked on usually, especially anyone who has studied the Holocaust or World War II in school, but they would not be able to give you the exact details of the experiments or list off every one that Mengele conducted.Fair enough. But if Tom Riddle had been resolutely studying Horcruxes, why would he think that Slughorn would know any more than him?

Fair enough. But if Tom Riddle had been resolutely studying Horcruxes, why would he think that Slughorn would know any more than him?
I think he probably had more respect for Slughorn than any of the other teachers at school because Slughorn was his head of house, a true Slytherin, and was very intelligent. If you remember in HBP, Slughorn makes a comment about Voldemort wanting to recruit, which is why he was on the run. Slughorn is a brilliant Potions Master, and it is possible that the Horcrux spell has a potion component to it. (We're never really told what the entire thing entails. If there was a potions component, it would explain why Tom would turn to Slughorn for help even more.)

I think Dumbledore says that Tom knew about making horcruxes, and was merely asking Slughorn for verification. But also, he wanted to ask about the whole 'tearing your self to 7 pieces' thing, and whether it's been done.

ANYWAY, my question, which is small, but has me a tad bit irritated, is: How do you guys pronounce "Lucius?" I've always said "Loo-shus" but in the movie they're all saying "Loo-see-us" Now no offence to English folks, but they sometimes take liberties with other languages (thinking of Byron's poem, "Don Juan" which is pronounced "Don Joo-in) Still, I need to know (those with Roman noses to the front of the line, please) what is the most recognized pronunciation of Lucius?

Edit: Dictionary.com and yourdictionary.com have pronunciations that show it as "Loo-shus" but I'm still wondering where the "Loo-shee-us" thing comes from

I always saw it as Loo-Shee-yus

ANYWAY, my question, which is small, but has me a tad bit irritated, is: How do you guys pronounce "Lucius?" I've always said "Loo-shus" but in the movie they're all saying "Loo-see-us" Now no offence to English folks, but they sometimes take liberties with other languages (thinking of Byron's poem, "Don Juan" which is pronounced "Don Joo-in) Still, I need to know (those with Roman noses to the front of the line, please) what is the most recognized pronunciation of Lucius?

Edit: Dictionary.com and yourdictionary.com have pronunciations that show it as "Loo-shus" but I'm still wondering where the "Loo-shee-us" thing comes from

I've always pronounced it Loo-see-us. Then again I am English...:rolleyes: :lol:. I never even realised it was being pronounced in a different way to other people.

I think Dumbledore says that Tom knew about making horcruxes, and was merely asking Slughorn for verification. But also, he wanted to ask about the whole 'tearing your self to 7 pieces' thing, and whether it's been done.

ANYWAY, my question, which is small, but has me a tad bit irritated, is: How do you guys pronounce "Lucius?" I've always said "Loo-shus" but in the movie they're all saying "Loo-see-us" Now no offence to English folks, but they sometimes take liberties with other languages (thinking of Byron's poem, "Don Juan" which is pronounced "Don Joo-in) Still, I need to know (those with Roman noses to the front of the line, please) what is the most recognized pronunciation of Lucius?

Edit: Dictionary.com and yourdictionary.com have pronunciations that show it as "Loo-shus" but I'm still wondering where the "Loo-shee-us" thing comes from

The way I learned it in my Latin class is Loo-see-us, but the last u more like the first oo. Difficult to write it down in English (not my mothertongue)

To weigh in on the great Lucius debate: I'm an American, and I've always pronounced it Loo-shus, but if the Brits pronounce it Loo-see-us, then that's the right way, since both Lucius and Jo are Brits.

When we first saw the RoHT I thought the room created the items inside, so maybe that's what Tom thought, too. Therefore, he'd still think no one else had entered the room before.

To weigh in on the great Lucius debate: I'm an American, and I've always pronounced it Loo-shus, but if the Brits pronounce it Loo-see-us, then that's the right way, since both Lucius and Jo are Brits.

I'm American, and I've always pronounced it as Loo-see-us, just because that's how they said it in the movies. :D

To weigh in on the great Lucius debate: I'm an American, and I've always pronounced it Loo-shus, but if the Brits pronounce it Loo-see-us, then that's the right way, since both Lucius and Jo are Brits.

Yeah, I'll have to concede that I'd probably want to say it the way JKR would say it, but three syllables doesn't come off as easy as two. Then again, JKR and other fellow Britons would pronounce "class schedules" as "class shedules" (we Americans who brought over and maimed the language say it as "skedule"), but I don't think I'll fall into that. Interestingly, however, I do pronounce "Herbology" with the "H" intact when I'm reading HP - any other time, though, I pronounce it "erbology" (silent "H").

While they were on the run in DH, the trio always had Harry's newer Sneakascope out in the tent. Why didn't it go off everytime they had the locket Horcrux out?

If Voldemort was planning to make his 6th Horcrux with Harry's death, what was he planning to use for the Horcrux? He didn't have anything important with him at the time.

While they were on the run in DH, the trio always had Harry's newer Sneakascope out in the tent. Why didn't it go off everytime they had the locket Horcrux out?Doesn't it just react if someones lying to you, or is being untrustworthy? I don't think it reacts to Evil, just deception. If the thing is saying/thinking over and over "I'm gonna kill you all", and they all know it, there is no deception.

If Voldemort was planning to make his 6th Horcrux with Harry's death, what was he planning to use for the Horcrux? He didn't have anything important with him at the time.


Good question!

I assume you mean the attempted murder of baby Harry. I was about to say that he had Nagini with him, but I found my copy of Deathly Hallows and reread Voldemort's memory of that night in Chapter 17. It doesn't say anything about having Nagini or any special object with him that he intended to use to contain the soul fragment.

There is a passage, immediately after he remembers being 'broken' and needing to hide far away: The snake rustled on the filthy, cluttered floor, and he had killed the boy, and yet he wasthe boy...

I assume this passage is describing the setting as Voldemort comes back to himself in Bathilda's (and is not continuing the flashback).

The next passage is clearly set at Bathilda's: And now he stood at the broken window of Bathilda's house, immersed in memories of his greatest loss, and at his feet the great snake slithered over broken china and glass...


If Voldemort had had Nagini with him that long-ago Halloween (and he hadn't transfigured Nagini into an inanimate object to become a horcrux) he could have possessed her to make his escape (and probably get to one of his loyal servants).

I'm American, and I've always pronounced it as Loo-see-us, just because that's how they said it in the movies. :D
Hmm, I've always pronounced it "loo-shus," but that's probably because I'm Italian. :lol: Has anyone heard JKR say his name?

I don't believe the locket horcrux would have been deemed "deceiving" or "untrustworthy" because they knew full well how evil it was.

If Voldemort was planning to make his 6th Horcrux with Harry's death, what was he planning to use for the Horcrux? He didn't have anything important with him at the time.
He could have something important with him but it was just never mentioned. Also Dumbledore is just guessing that Harry's death was to be used to create a Horcrux.

Has anyone heard JKR say his name?
She says it Loo-see-us

She says it Loo-see-us
:blush: To think, I've been one of those "Hermy-one" fans for years...

If Voldemort had had Nagini with him that long-ago Halloween (and he hadn't transfigured Nagini into an inanimate object to become a horcrux) he could have possessed her to make his escape (and probably get to one of his loyal servants).That doesn't really make sense, as the rebounding curse would have killed Nagini too. I think he just fled in his wisp form to Albania. (That woulda been a long flight.)

Plus, most of the -post-real-slughorn memory in HBP indicates that Voldemort only decided on a living thing out of necessity. AT his second-most-powerful, he would likely have access to much better items to turn into horcruxes.

If Voldemort was planning to make his 6th Horcrux with Harry's death, what was he planning to use for the Horcrux? He didn't have anything important with him at the time.
We don't know how the Horcrux spell works. JKR actually refused to elaborate on it during the interview with PotterCast earlier this year because she thinks it is too horrible. Since we have no idea yet, it could be the Horcrux can be created after the murder-- that there are three parts perhaps, like a pre-murder preparation, the actual murder, and then a spell afterwards that encases the soul piece in the object. The actual encasement might not have to take place at the time of the murder.

We don't know how the Horcrux spell works. JKR actually refused to elaborate on it during the interview with PotterCast earlier this year because she thinks it is too horrible. Since we have no idea yet, it could be the Horcrux can be created after the murder-- that there are three parts perhaps, like a pre-murder preparation, the actual murder, and then a spell afterwards that encases the soul piece in the object. The actual encasement might not have to take place at the time of the murder.

:tu: That's the most plausible explanation, IMO. Jo simply hasn't indulged the information of how to go about constructing a horcrux, because it's "too horrible" (Supposedly, her editor shuddered and nearly retched as she explained it. :scared: ), so we don't know when the piece of soul is, somehow, extracted from the body and encased in either an inanimate object or animate being, after it is rendered isolated by the excruciating effects of conscientious murder.

We don't know how the Horcrux spell works. JKR actually refused to elaborate on it during the interview with PotterCast earlier this year because she thinks it is too horrible. Since we have no idea yet, it could be the Horcrux can be created after the murder-- that there are three parts perhaps, like a pre-murder preparation, the actual murder, and then a spell afterwards that encases the soul piece in the object. The actual encasement might not have to take place at the time of the murder.

Yep, I think you're correct. Slughorn tells Tom that the wizard wanting to make a horcrux would, after murdering, "use the damage to his advantage" to encase the torn part of his soul. Which implies that it doesn't have to be done at the time of the murder. In fact, Dumbledore thought Voldemort waited to make a horcrux of Nagini (when it was clear he could not obtain another founder artifact).

Yep, I think you're correct. Slughorn tells Tom that the wizard wanting to make a horcrux would, after murdering, "use the damage to his advantage" to encase the torn part of his soul. Which implies that it doesn't have to be done at the time of the murder. In fact, Dumbledore thought Voldemort waited to make a horcrux of Nagini (when it was clear he could not obtain another founder artifact).No, he didn't. Dumbledore thought that Nagini only occured to him as an afterthought, after he had killed that Scottish guy.

Diary Tom Riddle tells us that Hagrid raised werewolf cubs under his bed. But werewolves are human until such time as they are infected with the spell, curse, virus, whatever you want to call it. So what, exactly, are werewolf cubs?

Scottish guy
Do you mean Frank Bryce? I don't remember that he was Scottish. He was from Little Hangleton which isn't in Scotland.

Do you mean Frank Bryce? I don't remember that he was Scottish. He was from Little Hangleton which isn't in Scotland.

I think there was something in the text about him moving to little Hangleton from Scotland. I'm probably wrong, but I always pictured him a scottish.

I think there was something in the text about him moving to little Hangleton from Scotland. I'm probably wrong, but I always pictured him a scottish. :no: I don't know if he was born in Little Hangleton but Dot (I think) says 'war turned him funny' so Frank must have lived there at least before the war.
The books never say where Little Hangleton is, but Harry has a feeling of traveling (I think) two hundred miles, so fan have deduced that it's in northern England, I don't think J.K.R ever confirmed that though.

So what, exactly, are werewolf cubs? I imagined them to be created when werewolves mate at full moon (i.e. transformed). Lupin says that being a werewolf can be passed on parent to child, that's what's driving him mad in DH.

I imagined them to be created when werewolves mate at full moon (i.e. transformed). Lupin says that being a werewolf can be passed on parent to child, that's what's driving him mad in DH. 1. thats only a paranoid theory of his, either his own lack of social confidence or him experiencing cold feet. Plus, considering how vicious Werewolves are, they wouldn't be able to mate with anything. Finally, how would Hagrid manage to get a hold on cubs, plural, if they were peoples children?

So what, exactly, are werewolf cubs? I imagined them to be created when werewolves mate at full moon (i.e. transformed). Lupin says that being a werewolf can be passed on parent to child, that's what's driving him mad in DH.
There are no such things as werewolves cubs. Riddle made that up.


blaise_42 asks: In Chamber of Secrets, Hagrid is supposed to have raised werewolf cubs under his bed. Are these the same kind of werewolves as Professor Lupin?
jkrowling_bn: no... Riddle was telling lies about Hagrid, just slandering him

Thank you for the quote Tenshi, that clears it up.

thewbacca:
Doesn't it just react if someones lying to you, or is being untrustworthy? I don't think it reacts to Evil, just deception. If the thing is saying/thinking over and over "I'm gonna kill you all", and they all know it, there is no deception.

I see what you're saying. That clears it up, thanks! :)

I've never read the Quidditch Through the Ages book but I was wondering. Aren't there a lot of ways you could cheat? I mean we see Hermione doing special charms on Harry's glasses and such and it's not even questioned. Couldn't you put shield charms or something on yourself so bludgers don't come near you, or learn to do simple blocking or summoning charms wandlessly as the keeper or seeker? With all the possibilities it seems like it would be practically impossible to keep a game fair.

I've never read the Quidditch Through the Ages book but I was wondering. Aren't there a lot of ways you could cheat? I mean we see Hermione doing special charms on Harry's glasses and such and it's not even questioned. Couldn't you put shield charms or something on yourself so bludgers don't come near you, or learn to do simple blocking or summoning charms wandlessly as the keeper or seeker? With all the possibilities it seems like it would be practically impossible to keep a game fair.
According to QTTA there are 700 known fouls in Quidditch (including setting fire to an opponent's broom and attacking an opponent with an axe) all of which occurred in the World Cup of 1473

Actually, this is one of the most disturbing things about the book.
Cheating is rampant in virtually every wizarding endeavor. It seems to be
taken for granted that everyone cheats. About the only person who finds
fault with this is the muggle born/raised Hermione.
I wonder, at times, what lessons the kids who read the kids' book are learning,
but I then remember fairy tales, where (among others) it's ok to hate and
kill a giant, simply because he is a giant. Hi Ho.
(Don't get me wrong. I loved the books. I just think that it is very important
for parents to read and comment, too. Same goes for TV, movies, etc.)

I think there's a whole thread about cheating and rule breaking, but honestly I don't think it's any more rampant in what Jo writes about Hogwarts than in TV, movies, and in real life schools. And over and over again in the books it's shown that if Harry had gone to a teacher first or listened to Hermione many of the scraps he gets in could be avoided, which is more than can be said for a lot of media out there.

I just thought QTTA might say something about special wards or anti-whatever spells to prevent people from using obvious means of cheating in Quidditch. I wouldn't imagine it's hard to ban axes from the playing field :lol:

I just thought QTTA might say something about special wards or anti-whatever spells to prevent people from using obvious means of cheating in Quidditch. I wouldn't imagine it's hard to ban axes from the playing field :lol:
It's a foul to use a wand against an opponent.

It's a foul to use a wand against an opponent.But what about on the games elements? Couldn't you, say, use a summoning charm on the Snitch? Or the keeper "shoots" the quaffle over to the other side of the field?

thewbacca:
But what about on the games elements? Couldn't you, say, use a summoning charm on the Snitch? Or the keeper "shoots" the quaffle over to the other side of the field?

The game balls can't easily be tampered with. I believe something was mentioned about having to be extremely skilled to mess with the Quidditch balls, so I assume they've been enchanted so that they can't be tampered with. Dobby was probably able to tamper with the bludgers however, because he is a house-elf and his magic is different from wizards'.

I was thinking more along the lines of a spell that would make small flying objects glow bright to the caster's eyes or something that glues you to your broom so you can't fall off or a spell on a keepers gloves that makes them attract the quaffle--stickier. Things like that that could be done before the match and wouldn't draw attention. Or simple wandless spells in the game. :shrug:

No, he didn't. Dumbledore thought that Nagini only occured to him as an afterthought, after he had killed that Scottish guy.


The discussion was whether or not you had to make a horcrux immediately after committing murder, or if you could wait. Which is why I quoted Slughorn, who implied that you could. My point was, that Voldemort murdered a few times after regaining his body, but didn't create the last horcrux until much later. Which seems to confirm you can wait.

The discussion was whether or not you had to make a horcrux immediately after committing murder, or if you could wait. Which is why I quoted Slughorn, who implied that you could. My point was, that Voldemort murdered a few times after regaining his body, but didn't create the last horcrux until much later. Which seems to confirm you can wait.Where did you get that? I thought he made the final Horcrux before he had regained his body.

Wait, that would mean that Wormtail would see him doing it.

I believe Nagini was made into a Horcrux after Voldemort killed Bertha Jorkins, which was after Wormtail found him and brought Bertha to him, but before he truly regained his body in the graveyard; he was still weak in that state, so Wormtail must have been there when he did it, and when he did it (In relation to Bertha's death) is simply not clear.

Here's one. Why are the wands measured in inches when they are in England?

Here's one. Why are the wands measured in inches when they are in England?

:lol: Fair point there. The author is British. I read the American versions; are you reading the British? A lot of things were changed between the two. But if the British version says that too, then I suppose Jo's reason would be that Ollivander sold wands so long that they started when British used inches/feet. Other than that, I don't know. :shrug:

Here's one. Why are the wands measured in inches when they are in England?
Inch is also a British measurement, called Imperial Inch.

I think Jo explained that the wizarding world is a bit behind the times (as their clothing and traditions show) so they never switched over to metric with the rest of Europe.

Why didn't Voldiemort realise something was wrong when he found out Kreacher was still alive? Kreacher was meant to die on the island the first time when he was with Voldiemort, right? Either way, he should have checked out the locket when he found out Kreacher was alive, unless he never knew Kreachers name, which I think is a possibility. What do you all think?

Why didn't Voldiemort realise something was wrong when he found out Kreacher was still alive? Kreacher was meant to die on the island the first time when he was with Voldiemort, right?
Voldemort never knew that Kreacher was alive or that he even made it out of the cave. He left before Kreacher fully died in the lake filled Inferi. Then Regulas forbid Kreacher from telling anyone the story of what happened in the cave. Yes, he was meant to die, but he didn't and Voldemort was none the wiser.

I'm not sure Voldemort did ever find out that Kreacher was alive-- do we know that Narcissa told him where she got her information about Sirius and Harry in OotP? If she did, she may have just said that it was a "family house-elf," and not expounded upon Kreacher's origins, as she knew nothing of his relationship to Voldemort previously. If she did reveal his name, as you said, I can't imagine that Voldemort would have remembered (Or even bothered to learn) the name of the worthless house-elf he used to carry out his evil scheme; they were one and the same to him.

I'm not sure Voldemort did ever find out that Kreacher was alive-- do we know that Narcissa told him where she got her information about Sirius and Harry in OotP? If she did, she may have just said that it was a "family house-elf," and not expounded upon Kreacher's origins, as she knew nothing of his relationship to Voldemort previously. If she did reveal his name, as you said, I can't imagine that Voldemort would have remembered (Or even bothered to learn) the name of the worthless house-elf he used to carry out his evil scheme; they were one and the same to him.

Even if Voldemort didnt know Kreachers name, he could have made the connection between Sirius and Regulus and realized it was the same elf. Anyways, this seems to me to be another example of Voldemorts mistakes involving house elfs.

However, the Blacks were a wealthy family, and could have had numerous house-elfs (He would think so, I believe); he probably arrogantly assumed Sirius' house-elf was a different one than his brother's, because it was a rare occasion in which he would care to even consider that something he did went wrong, at least in OotP.

I think Jo explained that the wizarding world is a bit behind the times (as their clothing and traditions show) so they never switched over to metric with the rest of Europe.That would explain why Hermione said Wizards have a big problem with logic, they have none. And no, this is not hatespeech, that thing is stupid, as is Farenheit. At least Celcius has some relatively global benchmarks.
However, the Blacks were a wealthy family, and could have had numerous house-elfs (He would think so, I believe); he probably arrogantly assumed Sirius' house-elf was a different one than his brother's, because it was a rare occasion in which he would care to even consider that something he did went wrong, at least in OotP.Or, considering Kreachers age, he might think it was Kreachers son or daughter, following on the tradition.

I don't think Voldemort ever paid enough attention to hous-elves to notice their names or individuality. I don't think he gave Kreacher another passing thought after leaving him to die, and he didn't give much thought to the elf that gave Narcissa & Bellatrix the information. He valued the information only. Also, Narcissa & Bella probably said something like "Sirius Black's house-elf escaped and told us . . . ." instead of "Sirus Black's house-elf, who has been in the family for years and used to be very fond of Regulus, escaped and told us . . . ." The information would have been considered relevant, not the messenger. For all Voldemort knew or cared, this was a completely different elf. Elves were expendable commodities to him; old one dies/dissapears, you get a new one. If it doesn't do a good job, get rid of it and get a new one.

Also, Regulus knew the potion in the basin was fatally poisonous. Dumbledore thought that Snape might be able to save him (or, prolong his life a little, though he wouldn't have said that to Harry if it were the case), but Regulus didn't have a potions expert handy, and certainly not one he could trust with the enormity of his secret. If he had survived, Voldemort might have punished not only him but his family as well when he discovered the betrayal (which he probably would if he wound up in proximity to Regulus due to his ability to detect lies). Regulus didn't plan to survive because a) he didn't think it was possible, and b) it would have jeopardized his plan to make Voldemort destructable.

Why didn't Voldiemort realise something was wrong when he found out Kreacher was still alive? Kreacher was meant to die on the island the first time when he was with Voldiemort, right? Either way, he should have checked out the locket when he found out Kreacher was alive, unless he never knew Kreachers name, which I think is a possibility. What do you all think?I'd have to go back and re-read, but I believe when Voldemort asks Regulus he only says he 'requires a house elf'. I don't think that the name Kreacher is ever spoken. I like the idea that LV would have thought the blacks so wealthy that they might have had numerous house elves. I wonder how many wealthy houses he had ever stepped in during the days of Tom Riddle or even early LV days. As far as we know the only house he ever was in that had a house elf was the Malfoys - and at that point Dobby had been freed. If you go back to CoS - Ron never knew if Draco's family had an elf or not - he assumed they did, but didn't know much more than that. So we can assume that Draco didn't go prancing around Hogwarts bragging about his family's servant.

Another guess is that LV might have thought the Blacks just replaced the elf he destroyed with a new servant.

I would also say that once Regulus had died the whole Black family would have left LV's thoughts - I mean it's not like he went looking for poor Regulus or inquired why he had vanished.

After reading the book we know that Snape's patronus is the silver doe and that he was the one who helped Harry find the sword of Godric Gryffindor. But how did he find out where Harry and Hermione were hiding? Hermione always made sure to cast protective charms around their camp everytime they changed locations, and they seemed to be effective enough to keep the death eaters out...So, how did Snape know where they were? Ron was able to find them because of the delumniator that Dumbledore gave him. It just seems odd that if Voldemort couldn't find Harry then how could Snape? Did he have knowledge Voldemort didn't?

That's a good question. I have to read it again because I'm forgetting details, but I remember thinking when I was reading it that he had somehow followed Ron...

Phineas Nigeullus told him. He overheard Hermione talking about it.


I realise that its a heartwarming sentiment, but why didn't Regulus tell Kreacher to pull him out of the cave with him? It just seems a lot of the characters were quick to give up their lives when a little pre-planning would mean a few more people live.

He could have told Kreacher to go home, and tell his mother he died, and then joined his brother, along with the OoTP. Now that would have been awesome. The two brothers Black, united on the side of light. Or something like that.

Phineas Nigeullus told him. He overheard Hermione talking about it. oh yea, that's right :blush:


I realise that its a heartwarming sentiment, but why didn't Regulus tell Kreacher to pull him out of the cave with him? It just seems a lot of the characters were quick to give up their lives when a little pre-planning would mean a few more people live. :lol: planning? thinking ahead? not just jumping in and hoping it works out? how very unGryffindor of you!
too true

:lol: planning? thinking ahead? not just jumping in and hoping it works out? how very unGryffindor of you!
too trueHe wasn't a Gryffindor, he was a Slytherin. They're supposed to be cunning, as well as having at least a mote of self-preservation.

Phineas Nigeullus told him. He overheard Hermione talking about it


Yes, but whenever phineas appeared in the potrait hermione immediately put a blindfold jinx on him. Even if he didnt have the blindfold on though he would have only seen the inside of the tent, and I highly doubt the trio discussed their whereabouts to him who in turn could tell snape. Is that just me, or am I missing something here?

Yes, but whenever phineas appeared in the potrait hermione immediately put a blindfold jinx on him. Even if he didnt have the blindfold on though he would have only seen the inside of the tent, and I highly doubt the trio discussed their whereabouts to him who in turn could tell snape. Is that just me, or am I missing something here?She wasn't aware he could hear her when her bag was open, but he wasn't out. While she was opening the bag to get the tent out, Harry asked where they were, and Hermione replied "The Forest of Dean". He heard it, and went to Snape, who had asked Phineas to tell him where they were.

And the blindfold was more to protect Ron, the only as-yet unidentified member of the trio.

touche thewbacca...you simply cannot be stumped

One thing I've been curious about and I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

Where did the Room of Requirements originally come from? Did the founders create it? Was it already there when they built/turned the castle into a school. Did it just come into being? perhaps created by some vague consciousness of the school itself?

One thing I've been curious about and I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

Where did the room of requirements originally come from? Did the founders create it? Was it already there when they built/turned the castle into a school. Did it just come into being? perhaps created by some vague consciousness of the school itself?

I don't think they turned the castle into a school. I think they built the castle in the first place. :) But yeah, they were the four most magically advanced witches and wizards of the day, so I bet doing that wouldn't have seemed hard at all. ;)

I'm more interested by how it works. Does it draw objects from the school, like the cushions from Flitwick's room and Moody's Dark Detectors, or dpes it duplicate them? I've been wondering ever since it was destroyed in DH...

I think it would have to have been built along with the rest of the castle. Personally, I think it sounds like the sort of thing Ravenclaw would devise.

One thing I've been curious about and I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

Where did the Room of Requirements originally come from? Did the founders create it? Was it already there when they built/turned the castle into a school. Did it just come into being? perhaps created by some vague consciousness of the school itself?

In Chamber of Secrets it tells how the four founders worked together to build the castle. (page 150, American version). I believe in Order of the Phoenix something is mentioned about Rowena Ravenclaw having made the RoR, that all of the wizards put their own little touches on the castle, but I am not positive on that one. I'll see if I can find it.

In Chamber of Secrets it tells how the four founders worked together to build the castle. (page 150, American version). I believe in Order of the Phoenix something is mentioned about Rowena Ravenclaw having made the RoR, that all of the wizards put their own little touches on the castle, but I am not positive on that one. I'll see if I can find it.Seems fair. I'd guess there were other similarly amazing things, that just were never directly mentioned. I'm just guessing here, but I think the Quidditch pitch was an all purpose grounds, since no-one was all that shocked that when it became a dragon enclosure and a giant hedgemaze. It also seems weird that quidditch would be the only organised sport available, and would seem much more likely that other sports, like rugby or Cricket, would have "underground" clubs, and I would guess the pitch would reshape itself.

Seems fair. I'd guess there were other similarly amazing things, that just were never directly mentioned. I'm just guessing here, but I think the Quidditch pitch was an all purpose grounds, since no-one was all that shocked that when it became a dragon enclosure and a giant hedgemaze. It also seems weird that quidditch would be the only organised sport available, and would seem much more likely that other sports, like rugby or Cricket, would have "underground" clubs, and I would guess the pitch would reshape itself.

(bolding mine)

The Dragons weren't kept in the Quidditch stadium. They were kept away from the school and stands were set up for the students to watch from. They also had to set up a separate tent for the champions. In Goblet of Fire it gives detail of where the dragon enclosure was on page 348 (American version).
Harry and Oliver were not happy about the Quidditch Pitch having a maze planted on it actually. We don't really know about the rest of the school reaction but somehow I doubt any of the serious players were pleased.
I think the Quidditch Stadium was only ever a Quidditch stadium with no magical powers to transfrom itself into anything else as Bagman told them that Hagrid would have the hedges "20 feet high in a month".

Harry and Oliver were not happy about the Quidditch Pitch having a maze planted on it actually. We don't really know about the rest of the school reaction but somehow I doubt any of the serious players were pleased.
Oliver wasn't at school during that (I assume that your talking bout Wood) also as quidditch was canceled that year I doubt many people would care. If they were serious about it they would've asked someone if it would be returned to normal next year.

something that I noticed when I was reading DH is that when the trio is listening to potterwatch lee jordan gives them the password so they can tune in the next time, but how do listeners know when to tune in. Lee Jordan said it for himself, "I'm not sure when we'll be on the air again, since we are constantly having to change location so we don't get caught", or something like that. So what, do the listeners just have to mutter the password to the radio every couple hrs or to try and get the right time or what?

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something that I noticed when I was reading DH is that when the trio is listening to potterwatch lee jordan gives them the password so they can tune in the next time, but how do listeners know when to tune in. Lee Jordan said it for himself, "I'm not sure when we'll be on the air again, since we are constantly having to change location so we don't get caught", or something like that. So what, do the listeners just have to mutter the password to the radio every couple hrs or to try and get the right time or what?

I would think that potterwatch airs at about the same time, but not everyday. If that's the case, listeners would just have to try to tune in once a day to see if potterwatch is on.

In Chamber of Secrets it tells how the four founders worked together to build the castle. (page 150, American version). I believe in Order of the Phoenix something is mentioned about Rowena Ravenclaw having made the RoR, that all of the wizards put their own little touches on the castle, but I am not positive on that one. I'll see if I can find it.


Oh, thanks for the answer, that makes sense that it would have been made by Rowena Ravenclaw.

Hum, now if Ravenclaw did make the ROR and Slytherin made the Chamber of Secrets, I wonder what kind of special room Gryffindor and Hufflepuff would have made?

She wasn't aware he could hear her when her bag was open, but he wasn't out. While she was opening the bag to get the tent out, Harry asked where they were, and Hermione replied "The Forest of Dean". He heard it, and went to Snape, who had asked Phineas to tell him where they were.

And the blindfold was more to protect Ron, the only as-yet unidentified member of the trio.

I think it would be easy to figure out that Ron was with them. When they talk to Phineas before Ron abandons the mission, Ron tells Snape to shut up about his sister. Phineas says he doesn't know who it is, but assuming he told everything to Snape, they could have both figured it out. By the way, could this have been a hint that Snape was on the good side? He should know that there is a Weasley traveling with Harry Potter and he should have captured all of the other Weasleys right away.

I think it would be easy to figure out that Ron was with them. When they talk to Phineas before Ron abandons the mission, Ron tells Snape to shut up about his sister. Phineas says he doesn't know who it is, but assuming he told everything to Snape, they could have both figured it out. By the way, could this have been a hint that Snape was on the good side? He should know that there is a Weasley traveling with Harry Potter and he should have captured all of the other Weasleys right away.

I agree. I can't imagine Snape not knowing that Ron would be with Harry.

I agree. I can't imagine Snape not knowing that Ron would be with Harry.His attitude is that Ron is a coward. Nothing caused that, its just his hatred of Harry extended to Ron and Hermione too. So we were to think he assumed that Harry was going it alone. And, considering Phineas told them he hadn't bothered to tell Snape what Dumbledore was doing, he hadn't bothered to tell him who they were with.

His attitude is that Ron is a coward. Nothing caused that, its just his hatred of Harry extended to Ron and Hermione too. So we were to think he assumed that Harry was going it alone. And, considering Phineas told them he hadn't bothered to tell Snape what Dumbledore was doing, he hadn't bothered to tell him who they were with.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote, but I just can't imagine Snape not being able to figure it out. Even if Phineas never said anything, (which I don't think is ever confirmed one way or the other, but I may be wrong) Snape had to know that Hermione was with Harry (where else would she have gone?) and from that would be able to figure out without much difficulty that Ron had gone too. I doubt he ever believed the story about Ron being sick at home.

His attitude is that Ron is a coward. Nothing caused that, its just his hatred of Harry extended to Ron and Hermione too. So we were to think he assumed that Harry was going it alone. And, considering Phineas told them he hadn't bothered to tell Snape what Dumbledore was doing, he hadn't bothered to tell him who they were with.

Phineas didn't tell Snape what Dumbledore did with the sword because Snape already knew. Dumbledore told him what he did with the sword when Snape healed his hand, in his office, where I assume Phineas saw the discussion between Dumbledore and Snape. Besides, you still think that Snape hated Harry and his friends?

Edit: Just remembered, Phineas says something like, the mudblood says that... when he finds out where they were hiding. Snape knew that Hermione was there and he possibly knew Ron was there if he watched him save Harry from the water.

Because I couldn't be bothered reading through fifteen plus pages of posts, I apologize if this has been brought up before.

I was reading (well re-re-re-re...reading) PoA, and came to the part where Lupin remarked on Sirius, Peter and James not failing to note he was gone once a month, and eventually had put two and two together. But Sirius, James and Peter can't have been the only ones in the dorm, right? So don't you think someone else may have put two and two together? Surely one of the other girls in Gryffindor may have noticed (aside from Lily of course).

But Sirius, James and Peter can't have been the only ones in the dorm, right? So don't you think someone else may have put two and two together? Surely one of the other girls in Gryffindor may have noticed (aside from Lily of course).
I don't have the exact quote but I am pretty sure that Jo confirmed in an interview that the Marauders were the only four boys in Gryffindor for their year.

The only other person that did figure it out was Snape and that was after he noticed that they were all missing one night a month, all though he could have had his suspicions earlier.

I think James, Sirius, and even Peter were clever enough to figure the whole thing out on their own. Others may have noticed, but the four were known for their trouble making they probably wouldn't think much of it ;).

Marina:
I was reading (well re-re-re-re...reading) PoA, and came to the part where Lupin remarked on Sirius, Peter and James not failing to note he was gone once a month, and eventually had put two and two together. But Sirius, James and Peter can't have been the only ones in the dorm, right? So don't you think someone else may have put two and two together? Surely one of the other girls in Gryffindor may have noticed (aside from Lily of course).

I don't think that anyone else paid enough attention to Remus besides his friends and Snape. James, Sirius, and Peter hung out with Remus, and so would notice immediately if he was gone. Snape, who was always watching James enviously, may have noticed this as well. But I don't think anyone else really noticed quiet Remus sitting in a corner reading, especially with James and Sirius hogging all of the attention, so to speak. It's also possible that James, Peter, Sirius, and Remus were the only ones in the Boys Dormitory of their year, which would also explain why nobody noticed when four boys disappeared every so often at night.

A question of my own: When was Lucius broken out of Azkaban? During HBP, or sometime between then and DH?

Phineas didn't tell Snape what Dumbledore did with the sword because Snape already knew. Dumbledore told him what he did with the sword when Snape healed his hand, in his office, where I assume Phineas saw the discussion between Dumbledore and Snape. Besides, you still think that Snape hated Harry and his friends?

I think its pretty obvious that Snape didn't care for them. Hate is a strong word, but he definitely took alot of his hatred for James out on Harry. Yes, I know Snape was good in the end because of his love for Lily and all that, but that doesn't mean that he can't dislike Harry. He didn't fall in love with Harry. His love for Lily was so strong that it overcame the hatred he had for James, and so deep down that is why Snape was risking his neck for Harry.

I don't have the exact quote but I am pretty sure that Jo confirmed in an interview that the Marauders were the only four boys in Gryffindor for their year.


Oh dear. That sounds highly dangerous. I'd love to read that interview, if you can find it.


A question of my own: When was Lucius broken out of Azkaban? During HBP, or sometime between then and DH?

It was between HBP and DH. On the tower, when Dumbledore is offering Draco a chance to come to the good side, he tells him how the Order can hide both him and Narcissa, and:

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, p. 592 American hardcover
Your father is safe at the moment in Azkaban. . . . When the time comes, we can protect him too.

Gwenhwyfara:
It was between HBP and DH. On the tower, when Dumbledore is offering Draco a chance to come to the good side, he tells him how the Order can hide both him and Narcissa, and:


Quote:
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, p. 592 American hardcover
Your father is safe at the moment in Azkaban. . . . When the time comes, we can protect him too.



Ok, thanks so much.

You're welcome! ;)

I keep wondering if anyone ever found George's ear, or do you think it pretty much evaporated? I mean it would be kind of creepy to be walking along and you see an ear lying on the pavement (but then again, you might just assume that there's a crazed van Gogh wanna-be and move on ;)). Has JKR ever addressed that?

I don't think anyone did find George's ear. Perhaps a muggle did. Whoever found it, magical or muggle, would be terrified IMO. :)

I don't think anyone did find George's ear. Perhaps a muggle did. Whoever found it, magical or muggle, would be terrified IMO. :)
Terrified indeed! I'm not sure I even want to think about this...:eeep:

The curse that Snape was trying to use and hit George by mistake was Sectumsempra, I believe, which I think only would sever off George's ear. I don't think it was blasted off or anything. So the ear might've still been whole when George lost it (*shivers*)...but I agree with The_Green_Woods. I don't think it was found. :) And if it was, I don't think I want to know about it. :D

Ditto about the terrified part. I'd hope that it was an adult rather than a kid who saw it...imagine the nightmares a young kid would have if they saw a random human ear on the ground. Poor George. *hugs George*

I keep wondering if anyone ever found George's ear, or do you think it pretty much evaporated? I mean it would be kind of creepy to be walking along and you see an ear lying on the pavement (but then again, you might just assume that there's a crazed van Gogh wanna-be and move on ;)). Has JKR ever addressed that?The curse was Sectumsempra, so I don't think the ear is gone per se. I think it just cut along the side of his head, seperating and disfiguring the ear, and making him deaf on one side. Plus, cutting off the ear wouldn't make a hole, it would just leave a little stump.

Okay, I whipped out my DH book and looked for that chapter. Here's what I found:

...Ginny gasped and Harry's stomach lurched: one of George's ears were missing...

...Mrs Weasley had staunched the bleeding and by the lamplight Harry saw a clean, gaping hole where George's ear had been.

and I can understand what you're saying thewbacca that it would leave a stump over the hole.

I think someone had better come up with a less grim question soon. ;)

and I can understand what you're saying thewbacca that it would leave a stump over the hole.

I think someone had better come up with a less grim question soon. ;)

Well it was severed off, so I think it would leave a big hole where his ear had been. I'm sure it would have healed over to leave skin over the wound. As for his ear, I don't think it was ever found, unless by some unsuspecting Muggle.

The ministry tidied up after the fight at the beginning of DH. They got to Moody before Bill and Remus got back to find his body. IMO they vanquished all residues: a dead owl in a cage :weep:, a highly polished world class broomstick (I wonder if it was broken), and Georges ear.

The curse was Sectumsempra, so I don't think the ear is gone per se. I think it just cut along the side of his head, seperating and disfiguring the ear, and making him deaf on one side. Plus, cutting off the ear wouldn't make a hole, it would just leave a little stump.
Sorry, but why would that make him deaf? The hearing mechanism is inside, not outside. If you've ever seen bird ear openings under the feathers, it's just a hole on the side of the head. I imagine that's similar to what George's injury looked like with the outside ear gone. And if he grew his hair longer, it would hide the disfiguration for the most part.

Where did you get that? I thought he made the final Horcrux before he had regained his body.

Wait, that would mean that Wormtail would see him doing it.

He couldn't hold a wand before he regained a body. Well, unless you count the horrible tiny creature he was before the graveyard rebirth....he did kill the Caretaker in that form. Still, he was pretty helpless otherwise in that form, he depended on Wormtail to survive. There's no indication he made Nagini a horcrux immediately after that murder, so he likely waited....because as you pointed out, he would probably have needed Wormtail's help, and we all know that Voldy likes to work alone, especially something as important as horcruxes.

The ministry tidied up after the fight at the beginning of DH. They got to Moody before Bill and Remus got back to find his body. IMO they vanquished all residues: a dead owl in a cage :weep:, a highly polished world class broomstick (I wonder if it was broken), and Georges ear.No, Harry blew up Hedwig and his Firebolt.

I had a question about the Marauder's Map: In Goblet of Fire, Moody borrows the map from Harry, and from what I remember we never see the map returned to Harry, yet he has it in Order of the Phoenix. I haven't gone back to check thoroughly, but I just wanted to know if I'm missing something.

I had a question about the Marauder's Map: In Goblet of Fire, Moody borrows the map from Harry, and from what I remember we never see the map returned to Harry, yet he has it in Order of the Phoenix. I haven't gone back to check thoroughly, but I just wanted to know if I'm missing something.
He went to his office in the end and got the map back. which is not written in the book, but Jo said it in an interview.

Yeah i always wondered if Headwig was dead before harry blew up the cage, but then i re-read the book and figured out she was...

Did we ever find out anything about Professor Sinestra other than the fact she's a witch? I'd have thought with a name like that we'd have found out something else but apparently not.

Yeah i always wondered if Headwig was dead before harry blew up the cage, but then i re-read the book and figured out she was...
yea she was
Did we ever find out anything about Professor Sinestra other than the fact she's a witch? I'd have thought with a name like that we'd have found out something else but apparently not.
There's been a lot of speculation about her, but as far as I know we've been told very little about her beside the fact that she teaches Astronomy. Her first name has been credited as both Aurora and Auriga, I like Auriga better personally. Given her name and Jo's trends I've always thought that she was a Slytherin (star name and reference to sinister). I read a great fanfic starring her and have always liked her character because of it, but none of it's canon. Maybe in Jo's encyclopedia she'll mention more.

Yeah i always wondered if Headwig was dead before harry blew up the cage, but then i re-read the book and figured out she was...

Harry would never sacrifice anyone's life, even an owl's, just to help make a clean getaway. I saw his burning of Hedwig's cage as very like a funeral pyre; a respectful send-off that prevented the death eaters from desecrating the body.

Did we ever find out anything about Professor Sinestra other than the fact she's a witch? I'd have thought with a name like that we'd have found out something else but apparently not.

Maybe we could surmise that she is left-handed, because of the whole dexter=right sinister=left thing from heraldry.

Did Jo ever release the names of the two missing Gryffindor girls? :huh:

Did Jo ever release the names of the two missing Gryffindor girls?
Who?

Did Jo ever release the names of the two missing Gryffindor girls? :huh:

I think whenever she is interviewed about that she forgets. :lol: I think on Pottercast she mentioned that she's going to dig through her notes and post it on her website.

I think whenever she is interviewed about that she forgets. :lol: I think on Pottercast she mentioned that she's going to dig through her notes and post it on her website.
Thanks. I remember someone asking her in an interview a few years back, and I remember Memerson asking her, but I had forgotten that she still didn't have the names during the Pottercast interview. I suppose it isn't relevant information, as the girls played no real role in the plot, but I don't think anyone will stop hounding her for it; as she said "I'm dealing with a level of obsessiveness, in some of my fans, who will not rest until they know the middle names of Harry's great-grandparents." :lol:

He went to his office in the end and got the map back. which is not written in the book, but Jo said it in an interview.

Thanks

How were Harry and Ron able to find the tent again, if it was protected by all those spells, it was the middle of the night, and both were battling hypothermia?

How were Harry and Ron able to find the tent again, if it was protected by all those spells, it was the middle of the night, and both were battling hypothermia?

I agree, I don't think it would have been nearly that easy, but Jo had to improvise otherwise the plot wouldn't have worked like she wanted it to. ;)

sorry thewbacca...I have another question this is certainly not an answer to yours...

its avery silly question by the way ,but i did got curious...Do wizards use any kind of id card...in my country when you turn of age you get your id card...wouldn *** be practical if wizards did ...i mean even with polyjuice potion if you had an id card...you can prove to be yourself...an impostor could not...and i have figured out it would have a special spell to protect it to avoid fakes and copies...but it was never mentioned in the story so i am asuming they dont use this ...am I right or did I miss information on this...

How were Harry and Ron able to find the tent again, if it was protected by all those spells, it was the middle of the night, and both were battling hypothermia?
I assume because Harry already knew where the tent was he was able to return to it again. When Ron left, they waited in the same area because he would be able to get to a place he had already been to.

If you're questioning how they were able to locate the tent, perhaps Harry just has a very good geographical memory. :p
its avery silly question by the way ,but i did got curious...Do wizards use any kind of id card...in my country when you turn of age you get your id card...wouldn *** be practical if wizards did ...i mean even with polyjuice potion if you had an id card...you can prove to be yourself...an impostor could not...and i have figured out it would have a special spell to protect it to avoid fakes and copies...but it was never mentioned in the story so i am asuming they dont use this ...am I right or did I miss information on this...
You're right-- it would be practical. However, the wizarding world is a bit behind the times. To me it looks like they usually use wands, not necessarily as a form of identification, but as a way of registering who is in a given building. (Harry in the Ministry, Bellatrix at Gringotts, etc.) I think wizards might still be at a stage where they take each other's word for identities.

There are spells, too, as we see in Gringotts, that can lift disguises and such, but I get the feeling most people aren't bothered to use them.

How were Harry and Ron able to find the tent again, if it was protected by all those spells, it was the middle of the night, and both were battling hypothermia?
I thought Hermione had set up a sort of ward system that recognized them, and only put off people who didn't have a specific goal. Good question cause I don't think it was really ever laid out. :shrug:
Do wizards use any kind of id card...in my country when you turn of age you get your id card...wouldn *** be practical if wizards did ...i mean even with polyjuice potion if you had an id card...you can prove to be yourself...an impostor could not...and i have figured out it would have a special spell to protect it to avoid fakes and copies Well, ID cards aren't required in all countries and I always thought that the individual wizarding communities were relatively small--at least not milllions of people. They don't use any type of credit as far as I can tell, so it wouldn't be necessary for purchases. You get a license to apparate, like Lisa said your wand is a form of identification, and there are spells like we saw at Gringotts that can identify people so they've probably never seen the need for such a thing.

You're right-- it would be practical. However, the wizarding world is a bit behind the times. To me it looks like they usually use wands, not necessarily as a form of identification, but as a way of registering who is in a given building. (Harry in the Ministry, Bellatrix at Gringotts, etc.) I think wizards might still be at a stage where they take each other's word for identities.

There are spells, too, as we see in Gringotts, that can lift disguises and such, but I get the feeling most people aren't bothered to use them.

thanks for answering---

It does give you and idea of ilimited trust...still knowing there are foul beings out there and knowing the kind of magic they can perform...But well ...like you pointed out...they are a bit behind the times...

They don't use any type of credit as far as I can tell, so it wouldn't be necessary for purchases. You get a license to apparate, like Lisa said your wand is a form of identification, and there are spells like we saw at Gringotts that can identify people so they've probably never seen the need for such a thing.
yes but i do see how practical they would be for tiems like Hallows...on could say...well if the ministry is infiltrated they would fake the id too..still i do think ebing able to perform magic...a device to avoid identification theft could be plausible---

I thought Hermione had set up a sort of ward system that recognized them, and only put off people who didn't have a specific goal. Good question cause I don't think it was really ever laid out. :shrug:
Thats debunked cause Ron came back to the spot they were at a few hours after he left, and still couldn't find them. He also spent about a week or so looking for them with the Deluminator.

Thats debunked cause Ron came back to the spot they were at a few hours after he left, and still couldn't find them. He also spent about a week or so looking for them with the Deluminator.
Yes, but they had moved hadn't they? That's why Ron couldn't find them. They waited as long as they could in the place they were when Ron left hoping he'd return. Why would they do that if Hermione knew he would have no way of finding them? Once they moved though he would have no specific goal in mind.

Yes, but they had moved hadn't they? That's why Ron couldn't find them. They waited as long as they could in the place they were when Ron left hoping he'd return. Why would they do that if Hermione knew he would have no way of finding them? Once they moved though he would have no specific goal in mind.No, he got back to the general area in time, but couldn't find them due to the enchantments. They dwindled cause they didn't know if it would fool him.

No, he got back to the general area in time, but couldn't find them due to the enchantments. They dwindled cause they didn't know if it would fool him.

He left Harry and Hermione in the night, they dawdled after breakfast the next morning, but they eventually left for a new campsite.

He left them in the night, ran into Snatchers right after that, escaped from them, and "...Disapparated. I didn't do it so well, Splinched myself again" - Ron held up his right hand to show two missing fingernails; Hermione raised her eyebrows coldly - "and I came out miles from where you were. By the time I got back to that bit of riverbank where we'd been... you'd gone. (pg 382, US Hardcover) italics mine

There's a different aspect of this that perhaps belongs more in the plot hole thread. I really find it difficult to believe that sometime in 4 1/2 months of living as fugitives, planning and executing covert actions, after having lost their safe house because someone managed to tag along part way (Yaxley), none of them thought of establishing a secure means of communication (recreating the protean coins just for the three of them or duplicating the mirrors) or establishing rendezvous protocol (if we get separated, we check for each other daily at 6:43 AM at Paddington Station)

No, Harry blew up Hedwig and his Firebolt. As I read it, he blew up the side cart but he didn't reduce all of it to dust, IMO the singed and sometimes broken remains were removed by the ministry.

None of them ever had a problem finding their tent again after gathering firewood or going shoping, evidently as long as you are in on it when the spells are cast, they don't keep you out.
After Ron had left them he came back too late to find them, they'd already gone. Then, when he first (really) used his delumintor, he couldn't find them, he wasn't part of the secret anymore. The night Ron found them he had seen what general direction Harry and the doe had come from, and Harry could take him into the secret again and they both had wands so they had light. We don't know if the tent was enchanted to look as small from the outside as it did at the WC but if it was and if it wasn't lit, you have a point that it should have been difficult to find it in a dark forest, even without magical protection.
There's a different aspect of this that perhaps belongs more in the plot hole thread. I really find it difficult to believe that sometime in 4 1/2 months of living as fugitives, planning and executing covert actions, after having lost their safe house because someone managed to tag along part way (Yaxley), none of them thought of establishing a secure means of communication (recreating the protean coins just for the three of them or duplicating the mirrors) or establishing rendezvous protocol (if we get separated, we check for each other daily at 6:43 AM at Paddington Station) Excellent point, particularly after they were almost seperated at the Ministry, but sometimes the characters need to be foolish to make the story. Harry was extremly so when he said the tabued name.

I'm rereading HBP and wondering if we ever got a definitive answer to the question of whether Draco Malfoy actually had a dark mark on his left arm? Harry was right about Draco on other counts, even in the face of Ron and Hermoine's skepticism. Was he right about this as well? Or do we just not know?

I'm rereading HBP and wondering if we ever got a definitive answer to the question of whether Draco Malfoy actually had a dark mark on his left arm? Harry was right about Draco on other counts, even in the face of Ron and Hermoine's skepticism. Was he right about this as well? Or do we just not know?He got through the barrier didn't he?

I'm rereading HBP and wondering if we ever got a definitive answer to the question of whether Draco Malfoy actually had a dark mark on his left arm? Harry was right about Draco on other counts, even in the face of Ron and Hermoine's skepticism. Was he right about this as well? Or do we just not know?

Yes, Im quite sure he did, and even if he didnt he would have had to by Malfoy Manor, i'm sure.

He got through the barrier didn't he?

But so did Fenrir Greyback and I thought he wasn't worthy of being marked?

He got through the barrier didn't he?
But so did Fenrir Greyback and I thought he wasn't worthy of being marked?But so did Fenrir Greyback and I thought he wasn't worthy of being marked?
I do not believe Draco or Greyback ever had to pass through the barrier in HBP. They were already on the tower before the barrier was created (it was erected after Amycus, Alecto, Fenrir, etc. went up). By the time they came back down, the barrier was cracked. Thus, this is inconclusive - neither Draco nor Fenrir had to pass through the Dark Mark barrier.

We know Greyback could not go through the Malfoy Manor gate, but we do not know about Draco. I do not think he was allowed out of the house (or its grounds), so he would not have to pass through the gate.

You know, I'm sure this is nitpicking, but I feel like I'm just not contributing otherwise.
In PoA (that's right, not DH), Fudge tells Dumbledore: "Never dreamed they'd attempt to administer the Kiss on an innocent boy..."
But at that point, neither Harry and crew, Snape, or anyone else could have told him what happened. How did he know?

You know, I'm sure this is nitpicking, but I feel like I'm just not contributing otherwise.
In PoA (that's right, not DH), Fudge tells Dubledore: "Never dreamed they'd attempt to administer the Kiss on an innocent boy..."
But at that point, neither Harry and crew, Snape, or anyone else could have told him what happened. How did he know?

Hmmm, good one. Snape only woke up after the Dementors had been dispersed.

I can only guess that he or Pomfrey recognized the lingering symptoms of Dementor exposure. He would report that to Dumbledore, who didn't like having them around in the first place and would be furious at a second incursion on the grounds (the first was the Quidditch match). Dumbledore would go down to the gate to get a report from the Dementors - Yeah, we intruded on the grounds of the castle and were about to Kiss some kid. Why do you ask? You make it sound like some sort of problem. Somewhere along there Dumbledore would summon Fudge.

You know, I'm sure this is nitpicking, but I feel like I'm just not contributing otherwise.
In PoA (that's right, not DH), Fudge tells Dubledore: "Never dreamed they'd attempt to administer the Kiss on an innocent boy..."
But at that point, neither Harry and crew, Snape, or anyone else could have told him what happened. How did he know?

Dumbledore reveals in OotP that he saw the whole thing from a distance so I expect it was him who told Fudge.

One thing I forgot. Fudge was already on the premises, with Dumbledore.
They had been at Hagrid's hut for the expected execution of Buckbeak. After the slightly mysterious (from their perspective) disappearance of Buckbeak, Dumbledore suggested having a drink. They might have lingered at Hagrid's a short time, but the two of them (and MacNair) must have gone up to the castle - Hagrid left his hut by himself (presumably headed for Hogsmeade) and the hut was then empty for time-turning Hermione and Harry (and real-time Buckbeak) to hide in, before the dementors attacked Sirius and real-time Harry and Hermione.

What did Dumbledore say about it in Phoenix? I don't remember that.

What did Dumbledore say about it in Phoenix? I don't remember that.

I cant remember the exact quote but it is when he is about to tell Harry the prophecy as is recounting all Harry's past achievements, it goes something along the lines of "I watched from afar as you battled the dementors". Like I say I don't have the book with my but I think that gets the jist of it.

I cant remember the exact quote but it is when he is about to tell Harry the prophecy as is recounting all Harry's past achievements, it goes something along the lines of "I watched from afar as you battled the dementors". Like I say I don't have the book with my but I think that gets the jist of it.

Ohh, okay. I thought that passage referred to Dumbledore having been aware of Harry's struggling to learn the Patronus Charm from Lupin, but I suppose you could be right.

Why were the Lestrange and Black vaults in Gringotts left where they were, as opposed to being seized by the Ministry of Magic?

Ohh, okay. I thought that passage referred to Dumbledore having been aware of Harry's struggling to learn the Patronus Charm from Lupin, but I suppose you could be right.

No, you're right. Dumbledore was speaking about Harry's accomplishments of the year in general.

We entered your third year. I watched from afar as you struggled to repel dementors, as you found Sirius, learned what he was and rescued him.

Dumbledore lists them in order - struggling to repel dementors by learning the Patronus charm from Lupin, discovering Sirius happened after that, as did rescuing Sirius - which involved using the Patronus charm. However, Dumbledore was not present on the grounds when all that happened. Snape was, but he was unconscious and he only saw the dementors going away when he came to.

So that is a valid question. How did Fudge know that the dementors had attempted to perform the kiss on Harry? Nobody saw that except for Harry. One possible answer is that Harry spoke about it while he was unconscious. Both Ron and Hermione mention incidents where Harry talked about things while he was asleep or unconscious. In OOTP, he talked in his sleep about the visions of the door Voldemort was sending him. In DH, he talked while unconscious and having the vision of Voldemort's memory of the night he killed the Potters. So it is possible that Harry was mumbling about what happened and they figured out that the dementor had attempted to perform the kiss on him.

Why were the Lestrange and Black vaults in Gringotts left where they were, as opposed to being seized by the Ministry of Magic?

From what we are shown in the text, the Ministry did not do that sort of thing. They didn't seize Sirius' vault either - he was able to send Crookshanks with an order for the Firebolt with instructions to take the gold from his own vault. He just couldn't walk into Gringotts personally and get money from it. If those were family vaults, perhaps they were unable to do that because of other family members not being convicted? We don't know when Sirius' parents died after all. It's really hard to say. Jo would have to answer that question.

Of course, by the time we see the LeStrange vault, Voldemort is in control of the Ministry and Gringotts. We don't really know if she had access to her vault prior to that. She certainly could not have walked into Gringotts to access her vault personally before they seized control.

meesha, I think that had to do with goblins not wanting to involve themselves in wizard wars, and being content to bank for all wizards without choosing sides-- the Ministry truly couldn't combat that, because, as Hagrid said, "Never mess with goblins"-- to seize someone's vault, a member of the Ministry would have to break past a goblin, and it is nearly impossible, if not completely impossible to do that, and goblins won't empty vaults of "bad" or "convicted" wizards because they don't choose sides, and they refuse to submit to wizards whenever they can, IMO.

If the Ministry had that opportunity, it is my guess that they would have seized it (They raided Lucius Malfoy's Manor, after all), in which case, Sirius wouldn't have been able to give Harry such a lovely gift! :love:

meesha, I think that had to do with goblins not wanting to involve themselves in wizard wars, and being content to bank for all wizards without choosing sides-- the Ministry truly couldn't combat that, because, as Hagrid said, "Never mess with goblins"-- to seize someone's vault, a member of the Ministry would have to break past a goblin, and it is nearly impossible, if not completely impossible to do that, and goblins won't empty vaults of "bad" or "convicted" wizards because they don't choose sides, and they refuse to submit to wizards whenever they can, IMO.

If the Ministry had that opportunity, it is my guess that they would have seized it (They raided Lucius Malfoy's Manor, after all), in which case, Sirius wouldn't have been able to give Harry such a lovely gift! :love:I meant more seizing the account in the same way a government will do to a drug-lords account - Seizing it legitimately, and with the help of the Goblins. What i meant was, why didn't Sirius sending Crookshanks to Gringotts immediatley cause the cat to be tracked back to him?

I meant more seizing the account in the same way a government will do to a drug-lords account - Seizing it legitimately, and with the help of the Goblins. What i meant was, why didn't Sirius sending Crookshanks to Gringotts immediatley cause the cat to be tracked back to him?
I believe, as has been pressed, Goblins and Wizards aren't on the best relationship. As easy as it is for a drug lord to wire money to an offshore account, I'm sure anonymity would not be hard for Sirius, or Bellatrix to come by.

I meant more seizing the account in the same way a government will do to a drug-lords account - Seizing it legitimately, and with the help of the Goblins. What i meant was, why didn't Sirius sending Crookshanks to Gringotts immediatley cause the cat to be tracked back to him?

Because Crookshanks didn't go to Gringotts. Crookshanks delivered the order to the post office to be delivered to the shop by owl. Sirius used Harry's name and his own vault number. The people working in the post office wouldn't know that was Sirius' vault - neither would anyone working at Quality Quidditch Supplies when they received the order. Harry had never ordered a broom before. They would just assume that Harry was ordering a broom and paying for it from his vault because his name was on the order.

The goblins would most likely have known that was the Black family vault. However, as Lilypod pointed out, the goblins considered themselves separate from wizards. That system is significantly different from our own banking system - which is federally controlled I think. In the wizarding world, the goblins - including Gringotts bank - are not associated with the Ministry. The Ministry would not have any control over other people's vaults - the goblins would. That's why Griphook and the other goblin were on the run in DH - they didn't like Voldemort and the Death Eaters interfering at Gringotts.

Taking that into consideration, it seems most likely that the Ministry could not legally seize control of a vault at Gringotts.

The goblins would most likely have known that was the Black family vault. However, as Lilypod pointed out, the goblins considered themselves separate from wizards. That system is significantly different from our own banking system - which is federally controlled I think. In the wizarding world, the goblins - including Gringotts bank - are not associated with the Ministry.
:agree: Exactly-- goblins would not permit wizard control of the banks, and I can't imagine that any Ministry official could do anything at Gringotts without the goblins' permission, and they would not give it, because they refused to take sides or allow themselves to be further subjugated and controlled by wizards-- Bill explained that nicely in GoF and DH.

You know, I'm sure this is nitpicking, but I feel like I'm just not contributing otherwise.
In PoA (that's right, not DH), Fudge tells Dumbledore: "Never dreamed they'd attempt to administer the Kiss on an innocent boy..."
But at that point, neither Harry and crew, Snape, or anyone else could have told him what happened. How did he know?

That line was after Sirius had escaped, Fudge and Snape had talked at least twice, once before Harry woke up, and a second time in the corridor. (time travel Harry and Hermione were on their way back to the hospital wing, and had to wait for Fudge and Snape to pass by)
Plus, there was about 10 minutes from the time Dumbledore left the hospital wing until the discovery of Sirius' escape was made. Plenty of opportunity for Snape to tell Fudge everything he knew.
Also, Hermione was already awake when Harry woke up, we don't know what information she passed on to Dumbledore, Madame Pomfrey, Fudge, etc. :)

In the fifth book, when Dumbledore leaves Hogwarts after the discovery of the DA, where does he go? He tells Harry that he's not going to Grimauld place, he has other things to do. But we don't find out where he goes. Does anyone know? Thanks!

That line was after Sirius had escaped, Fudge and Snape had talked at least twice, once before Harry woke up, and a second time in the corridor. (time travel Harry and Hermione were on their way back to the hospital wing, and had to wait for Fudge and Snape to pass by)
Plus, there was about 10 minutes from the time Dumbledore left the hospital wing until the discovery of Sirius' escape was made. Plenty of opportunity for Snape to tell Fudge everything he knew.
Also, Hermione was already awake when Harry woke up, we don't know what information she passed on to Dumbledore, Madame Pomfrey, Fudge, etc. :)

Snape did not know what the dementors did because he was unconscious. When he came to, the dementors were already heading back to their posts at the entrances. He did not see them attack or try to kiss Harry. He didn't even see Harry's patronus - he had no idea why the dementors left and went back to their posts at the entrances.

Hermione was awake, but it was clear that she had just woken up as well - and she motioned for Harry to be quiet so they could hear. And both Harry and Hermione ask Madame Pomfrey how Ron is first thing when she comes over - so we know that Hermione has not talked to her yet. In addition, Hermione was also unconscious during that - she knew the dementors had attacked, but passed out during that and did not see the dementor try to kiss Harry. So she wouldn't have known about that either.

The only person who knew that the dementor had tried to kiss Harry was Harry himself. Unless there is some kind of physical mark that was left on Harry from that attempt, the only way Fudge could have known about the attempted kiss was if Harry talked about it while he was unconscious. And that is likely because we are shown that Harry does talk in his sleep or while unconscious on other occasions.

Snape did not know what the dementors did because he was unconscious. When he came to, the dementors were already heading back to their posts at the entrances. He did not see them attack or try to kiss Harry. He didn't even see Harry's patronus - he had no idea why the dementors left and went back to their posts at the entrances.

Hermione was awake, but it was clear that she had just woken up as well - and she motioned for Harry to be quiet so they could hear. And both Harry and Hermione ask Madame Pomfrey how Ron is first thing when she comes over - so we know that Hermione has not talked to her yet. In addition, Hermione was also unconscious during that - she knew the dementors had attacked, but passed out during that and did not see the dementor try to kiss Harry. So she wouldn't have known about that either.

The only person who knew that the dementor had tried to kiss Harry was Harry himself. Unless there is some kind of physical mark that was left on Harry from that attempt, the only way Fudge could have known about the attempted kiss was if Harry talked about it while he was unconscious. And that is likely because we are shown that Harry does talk in his sleep or while unconscious on other occasions.

Where in the book do we hear Fudge talking about a dementor's kiss involving Harry? The only reference I can find is Fudge talking about going to find a dementor who is going to perform that on Sirius. Fudge does talk about a dementor's kiss in the movie, I believe, but I don't find anything in the book.

In the fifth book, when Dumbledore leaves Hogwarts after the discovery of the DA, where does he go? He tells Harry that he's not going to Grimauld place, he has other things to do. But we don't find out where he goes. Does anyone know? Thanks!

I do not believe anyone knows. But I can assume we can guess that he was doing something productive like he has done all his life, I.E. figuring out Voldemort's horcrux spots, I don't remember if Dumbledore ever gave a time frame as to when he got Marvolo's ring, but it could have been then.

All these things Dumbledore has done, do you think he's done them all while headmastering Hogwarts? Nope.

I have a question as well, a rather simple one too

I'd reread the series and analyze but, I'll just use memory to say that I can't recall a time when my question comes to mind.

Has Voldemort ever told a lie?

(By the way I bolded so hopefully it would draw attention to the fact that I have a question and I wasn't just replying to someone else's.)

Has Voldemort ever told a lie?
Yes when he tells the defenders at Hogwarts that Harry died running away is one time that comes to mind .

Yes when he tells the defenders at Hogwarts that Harry died running away is one time that comes to mind .

Ah, so simple. Thank you very, very much.

But before that, does anything else come to mind?

Voldemort, when he was Tom Riddle, told lies at the orphanage. He made it look like Hagrid's pet, Aragog was the monster that was attacking Muggleborns when they were both students.

Voldemort, when he was Tom Riddle, told lies at the orphanage. He made it look like Hagrid's pet, Aragog was the monster that was attacking Muggleborns when they were both students.

I appreciate your response, but I must apologize for my very unnatural explanations.

It is my own fault you do not understand what I mean, so I'll try to explain it more.

Has Voldemort ever told a DIRECT lie. And, I can't even define that, so I'll give examples.

Voldemort framing Hagrid, not exactly a direct lie.

Voldemort telling everyone Harry died running or whatever that may have been, a direct lie, but not what I'm looking for.

Here's an example as to what I'm looking for, and hopefully somebody will understand my insane little thought process.

Has Voldemort ever told a lie similar to the following:

Voldemort says, "I will not kill you, little boy."

And he proceeds to kill the little boy. Does anyone get it? I hardly do. But that's what I'm looking for, anyways.

different question:
Was Cedric the Hufflepuff seeker before his 5th year when he's the Captain? I don't remember any other Hufflepuff specifically being mentioned as the seeker.
I would assume he was on the team at least since I doubt they'd make a brand new person the Captain, but he's never mentioned. Is it just a case of 'he wasn't important yet so Jo ignored him'?

Because I couldn't be bothered reading through fifteen plus pages of posts, I apologize if this has been brought up before.

I was reading (well re-re-re-re...reading) PoA, and came to the part where Lupin remarked on Sirius, Peter and James not failing to note he was gone once a month, and eventually had put two and two together. But Sirius, James and Peter can't have been the only ones in the dorm, right? So don't you think someone else may have put two and two together? Surely one of the other girls in Gryffindor may have noticed (aside from Lily of course).

Nah, the marauders where the only one who shared the dorm with Remus. It would be easy enough to pretend to go to bed early or that you were studying in the library if anyone asked you why you werent say in the common room last night but the boys would know that Remus wasnt sleeping in his bed. Then of course after they figured it out (which probably only took two or three moon risings (maybe three or four if they were especially dim)) the other mauraders would have helped cover the fact that Remus was gone. If he's three bestfriends were the ones saying "he's asleep already, hes been ill" or " he's gone to talk to mcgonagall about that last assignment" or even "his furry little problem came up and hes had to go home" people are going to be evenly more likely to believe it.

A question of my own: When was Lucius broken out of Azkaban? During HBP, or sometime between then and DH?

It was in between HBP and DH. If you remember correctly Draco was made a DE after his father got thrown in jail for working with LV and attempting to steal the Prophecy. At the beginning of HBP Narcissa is convinced that LV has done it to punish their family for Lucius failure. Then at the end of HBP when they are on the tower and Dumbledore tries to get Draco to join his side and come into hiding he mentions that Lucius is still safe in Azkahban which would mean they would only have to rescue Narcissa from LV. Yet at the start of DH Lucius is back amongst all his DE pals.

Sorry, but why would that make him deaf? The hearing mechanism is inside, not outside. If you've ever seen bird ear openings under the feathers, it's just a hole on the side of the head. I imagine that's similar to what George's injury looked like with the outside ear gone. And if he grew his hair longer, it would hide the disfiguration for the most part.

Hedwigowl is right. It wouldnt make him completely deaf, but he would definitely find it more difficult to hear on that side. Our ears are shaped to filter and expand noises from the air. George would no longer have this "enlarging sound" effect on that side of his head.

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Yeah i always wondered if Headwig was dead before harry blew up the cage, but then i re-read the book and figured out she was...

Harry would never sacrifice anyone's life, even an owl's, just to help make a clean getaway. I saw his burning of Hedwig's cage as very like a funeral pyre; a respectful send-off that prevented the death eaters from desecrating the body.

I respectfully disgree with this comment. Not the part about Harry never sacrificing someone! ofcourse he wouldnt! But as noble as it would have been for Harry to have blown up the cage is respect for Hedwig its stated that he did it to cause an explosion that would (hopefully) harm the DE's after him and Hagrid. The face that he had to explode Hedwig in the process of destroying the side cart caused him great pain. Im sure he would have prefered to have been able to bury her.

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its avery silly question by the way ,but i did got curious...Do wizards use any kind of id card...in my country when you turn of age you get your id card...wouldn *** be practical if wizards did ...i mean even with polyjuice potion if you had an id card...you can prove to be yourself...an impostor could not...and i have figured out it would have a special spell to protect it to avoid fakes and copies...but it was never mentioned in the story so i am asuming they dont use this ...am I right or did I miss information on this...

You're right-- it would be practical. However, the wizarding world is a bit behind the times. To me it looks like they usually use wands, not necessarily as a form of identification, but as a way of registering who is in a given building. (Harry in the Ministry, Bellatrix at Gringotts, etc.) I think wizards might still be at a stage where they take each other's word for identities.

There are spells, too, as we see in Gringotts, that can lift disguises and such, but I get the feeling most people aren't bothered to use them.

Who knows perhaps they use enchantments so that if you are at a place like a wizards bar and try to order something like a firewhisky a huge warning siren goes off screaming "Under Age! Under Age!". :LOL:

I'm rereading HBP and wondering if we ever got a definitive answer to the question of whether Draco Malfoy actually had a dark mark on his left arm? Harry was right about Draco on other counts, even in the face of Ron and Hermoine's skepticism. Was he right about this as well? Or do we just not know?

Yeah he was a DE alright and you cant be DE without the dark mark on your arm.

Has Voldemort ever told a lie similar to the following:

Voldemort says, "I will not kill you, little boy."

And he proceeds to kill the little boy. Does anyone get it? I hardly do. But that's what I'm looking for, anyways.
One time comes to mind that is one of the most important deaths of the whole series that is the death of Lily Potter Voldemort tells her she can live then when she doesn't move he kills her .

One time comes to mind that is one of the most important deaths of the whole series that is the death of Lily Potter Voldemort tells her she can live then when she doesn't move he kills her .

He didn't neccesarily die did he? From what I remember, he said if she let him have Harry she could live, did he not?

One time comes to mind that is one of the most important deaths of the whole series that is the death of Lily Potter Voldemort tells her she can live then when she doesn't move he kills her .
That was actually no lie, he told her the truth. He told her to step aside and he will let her live, but she refused to and he killed her. You can't say then it he told her lies, if she stepped aside and then he killed her then it was a lie.

I appreciate your response, but I must apologize for my very unnatural explanations.

It is my own fault you do not understand what I mean, so I'll try to explain it more.

Has Voldemort ever told a DIRECT lie. And, I can't even define that, so I'll give examples.

Voldemort framing Hagrid, not exactly a direct lie.

Voldemort telling everyone Harry died running or whatever that may have been, a direct lie, but not what I'm looking for.

Here's an example as to what I'm looking for, and hopefully somebody will understand my insane little thought process.

Has Voldemort ever told a lie similar to the following:

Voldemort says, "I will not kill you, little boy."

And he proceeds to kill the little boy. Does anyone get it? I hardly do. But that's what I'm looking for, anyways.Yep.

"Stand aside, silly girl. I just want the boy."

Or whatever he says to Lily. It makes no sense whatsoever that he would kill a Pure-blood wizard without hesitation, and yet save a mudblood just because one of his replaceable lackeys asked him too.

Where in the book do we hear Fudge talking about a dementor's kiss involving Harry? The only reference I can find is Fudge talking about going to find a dementor who is going to perform that on Sirius. Fudge does talk about a dementor's kiss in the movie, I believe, but I don't find anything in the book.

Yes. Just after they discover that Sirius has escaped. Dumbledore asks him about the dementors and Fudge says they will be removed from the school because they attempted to perform the kiss on Harry.

“And the dementors?” said Dumbledore. “They’ll be removed from the school, I trust?”

“Oh yes, they’ll have to go,” said Fudge, running his fingers distractedly through his hair. “Never dreamed they’d attempt to administer the Kiss on an innocent boy … Completely out of control … no, I’ll have them packed off back to Azkaban tonight …. Perhaps we should think about dragons at the school entrance ….”

Since nobody that was conscious was around to witness that occurring, the only way Fudge could know about that would be if the dementors confessed to it or if Harry mumbled something about it while he was unconscious. There is a slight possibility that Harry's condition revealed what happened, but there doesn't appear to be any physical evidence so that doesn't seem very likely. The most likely option there is that Harry mumbled something about it while he was unconscious because he was shown to occasionally talk in his sleep or while unconscious in other situations.

Nah, the marauders where the only one who shared the dorm with Remus. It would be easy enough to pretend to go to bed early or that you were studying in the library if anyone asked you why you werent say in the common room last night but the boys would know that Remus wasnt sleeping in his bed. Then of course after they figured it out (which probably only took two or three moon risings (maybe three or four if they were especially dim)) the other mauraders would have helped cover the fact that Remus was gone. If he's three bestfriends were the ones saying "he's asleep already, hes been ill" or " he's gone to talk to mcgonagall about that last assignment" or even "his furry little problem came up and hes had to go home" people are going to be evenly more likely to believe it.

To be fair, we don't know for sure that the Marauders were the only Gryffindor boys in their year. There could have been one or two other boys in their dormitory. It is most likely that it was just the four of them, but we don't know that for certain.

However, other students noticed that Lupin was absent once of month. Various cover stories were used to explain his absences - his mother was ill, he was ill - that kind of thing. In DH, we see that Snape was doing everything he could to get other students to figure out that Lupin was a werewolf after the werewolf prank - he didn't say anything directly because Dumbledore had made him promise not to, but that didn't stop him from presenting his "theory" that Lupin was a werewolf and telling people all the evidence for it. Luckily for Lupin, nobody believed him.

Really, the fact that he was absent once a month would not be enough to give away the fact that he was a werewolf. There were other clues - as we see in POA with Hermione figuring it out - but I think only his closest friends would have noticed those things because they were around him all the time.

I respectfully disgree with this comment. Not the part about Harry never sacrificing someone! ofcourse he wouldnt! But as noble as it would have been for Harry to have blown up the cage is respect for Hedwig its stated that he did it to cause an explosion that would (hopefully) harm the DE's after him and Hagrid. The face that he had to explode Hedwig in the process of destroying the side cart caused him great pain. Im sure he would have prefered to have been able to bury her.

I agree. Harry didn't want to do that and the fact that he had to was very painful for him. However, the idea of a funeral pyre could potentially give Harry some comfort about what he had to do.

Yep.

"Stand aside, silly girl. I just want the boy."

Or whatever he says to Lily. It makes no sense whatsoever that he would kill a Pure-blood wizard without hesitation, and yet save a mudblood just because one of his replaceable lackeys asked him too.

Jo has revealed more information about how the Potters defied Voldemort that sheds light on this issue though. Voldemort wanted the Potters to join him - both of them - and one of those defiances was when they refused to join him.

So Snape asking Voldemort to spare Lily really is irrelevant in the end. Voldemort gave her that choice because he wanted her to join him. He gave her one last chance to do so - standing aside to let him kill Harry would have a show of loyalty in his mind. That goes towards Voldemort's lack of understanding about love and people in general. He killed James immediately and was trying to kill Harry. He thought James' death would be enough to cause Lily to be "sensible" and save her own life. He simply could not fathom why anyone would sacrifice themselves like that because he feared death. He underestimated a mothers' love - to his own cost.

And that comes back to a direct lie told by Voldemort. His entire stance on pure-blood superiority. He didn't like muggles because of his father abandoning him, but being half-blood himself, Voldemort knew that blood status was irrelevant to power or ability in witches and wizards. That was the significance of Voldemort choosing Harry over Neville - the fact that he waited to make that choice gathering information, etc... That went against his creed. If he had followed that creed, he would have chosen Neville immediately because he was a pure-blood and either attempted to kill Alice before Neville was born or Neville himself as soon as he was born. That showed that Voldemort knew blood status was irrelevant. He adopted the stance on pure-blood superiority because it enabled him to have loyal servants like the Lestranges and the Malfoys who believed in pure-blood superiority. He ruled them through a combination of severe punishments and rewards - building their fear of him - but he got people like that to join him willingly by telling them what they wanted to hear and allowing them to go on with torturing and/or killing muggles and muggleborns.

Yes. Just after they discover that Sirius has escaped. Dumbledore asks him about the dementors and Fudge says they will be removed from the school because they attempted to perform the kiss on Harry.

“And the dementors?” said Dumbledore. “They’ll be removed from the school, I trust?”

“Oh yes, they’ll have to go,” said Fudge, running his fingers distractedly through his hair. “Never dreamed they’d attempt to administer the Kiss on an innocent boy … Completely out of control … no, I’ll have them packed off back to Azkaban tonight …. Perhaps we should think about dragons at the school entrance ….”

Since nobody that was conscious was around to witness that occurring, the only way Fudge could know about that would be if the dementors confessed to it or if Harry mumbled something about it while he was unconscious. There is a slight possibility that Harry's condition revealed what happened, but there doesn't appear to be any physical evidence so that doesn't seem very likely. The most likely option there is that Harry mumbled something about it while he was unconscious because he was shown to occasionally talk in his sleep or while unconscious in other situations.
Did Snape get there in time to see the Dementors before they were driven off by the Patronus? He was touted as a hero by Fudge, it could be that he told a story about fighting off the Dementors himself, without revealing what time-turner Harry had done.

Did Snape get there in time to see the Dementors before they were driven off by the Patronus? He was touted as a hero by Fudge, it could be that he told a story about fighting off the Dementors himself, without revealing what time-turner Harry had done.

No, Snape was unconscious when all that happened. He came to after Harry's patronus drove the dementors away. He didn't even see the patronus. Snape told Fudge that he had no idea why the dementors left. When he came to, they were heading back to the entrances, Lupin was gone, and everyone else was unconscious. He had no idea what had actually happened.

Snape lied about the trio being Confunded so Fudge wouldn't believe anything that they said, but it would have been too risky to claim he had fought off the dementors himself. The dementors could reveal that he hadn't and he knew that it would come out that he had been unconscious eventually. The best lies are the ones that incorporate the truth as much as possible - the fewer fictional details to keep track of, the easier it is to maintain the lie. In addition, by admitting that he was unconscious because the trio attacked him, he was able to give more credence to the lie that they had been confunded so he didn't have to worry about Fudge believing anything they said and they would be unable to prove that Sirius was innocent.

I have a little confusion which may need a little of help, in DH, Harry has a vision of what Voldemort is doing, it's in the chapter Magic is Might, heres the extract...

He raised the wand. She screamed. Two young children came running into the hall. She tried to shield them with her arms. There was a flash of green light-

The mother dies, shielding her 2 children, was there a protection cast on the children because their mother died trying to protect them?
Then Harry predicts Voldemort probably killed the children too, did Voldemort actually kill the children?

See...i am kinda confused i just need putting on the right track.
Thank you!

I have a little confusion which may need a little of help, in DH, Harry has a vision of what Voldemort is doing, it's in the chapter Magic is Might, heres the extract...
He raised the wand. She screamed. Two young children came running into the hall. She tried to shield them with her arms. There was a flash of green light-
The mother dies, shielding her 2 children, was there a protection cast on the children because their mother died trying to protect them?
Then Harry predicts Voldemort probably killed the children too, did Voldemort actually kill the children?

See...i am kinda confused i just need putting on the right track.
Thank you!

I doubt there was, because from the looks of it they were Muggles. If they were wizards, they wouldn't have simply opened up the door during that period of crisis in the WW. :) Not sure, though. Hope that helps!

The mother dies, shielding her 2 children, was there a protection cast on the children because their mother died trying to protect them?
Then Harry predicts Voldemort probably killed the children too, did Voldemort actually kill the children?
Hello! This is a very good question that has a sad answer :(

I agree with Harry that Voldemort killed the two children. The reason why Lily's protection was so unique was that she was given the choice to live. To walk out of the house unscathed and she choose to stand in Voldemorts way and die protecting her son.

The mother in the passage above did choose to die shielding her children, but she was not offered the choice (as Lily was) to live. So sadly there wasn't a blood protection on the children as there was on Harry :sigh:

Oh ok, thank you for replies! I understand now. :)

I hate Voldemort.

Oh ok, thank you for replies! I understand now. :)

No problem. :D

I hate Voldemort.

:agree: So many innocent lives were killed just because of his anger sometimes. They didn't need to die, he was just angry that he hadn't found Gregorovitch there.

My question is about Gringotts. After the Trio escapes with the Cup, Voldemort goes around murduring all the goblins in his anger. Was Griphook one of those goblins? I don't remember him being named but I don't know if someone asked Jo that in an interview.