Little Questions Answered v14

Does anyone know if an animagus is in his or her own mind after they transform? If they are not then maybe pettigrew didn't know who he was biting.

If malfoy didn't say crabbe and goyle ( i don't remember if he actually said their names) then maybe pettigrew didn't know that it was goyle that he was biting. He could have been just another hogwarts student.
Yes, animagi are still fully in their own mind. Remember McGonagall observing the Dursley's in PS and Skeeter monitoring the trio in GOF. It's possible that staying in his rat form for so long without changing could have messed him up a bit. He's described as being rather rat like I believe, while none of the other animagi we know of seem to have traits of their animal forms.

EDIT: Sleepy beat me to it :)

Originally Posted by dancer7
Does anyone know if an animagus is in his or her own mind after they transform? If they are not then maybe pettigrew didn't know who he was biting.

If malfoy didn't say crabbe and goyle ( i don't remember if he actually said their names) then maybe pettigrew didn't know that it was goyle that he was biting. He could have been just another hogwarts student.

Malfoy did introduce them on the train, when he came to recruit Harry.

Perhaps Goyle Senior was horrible to Pettigrew at school and Peter thought he'd indirectly 'get him back' by biting his son while a rat. Remember Pettigrew hung around with James, Remus and Sirius at school and these four were most likely depised by the Slytherin lot.

He's described as being rather rat like I believe, while none of the other animagi we know of seem to have traits of their animal forms.
Sirius was described as having a Bark like laugh .

twins:p

The fact that he claimed innocence always made me wonder if he really was innocent, and perhaps his time in Azkaban pushed him to "go bad."I always thought of it as him being like all the other Death Eaters and trying his best to get out of it. But he failed and went to jail and then spent over a decade under house arrest. During that time his memory became selective and he decided (and later believed) that he, like Bellatrix Lestrange, had always loudly proclaimed his obedience to Voldemort.

It's possible that staying in his rat form for so long without changing could have messed him up a bit. He's described as being rather rat like I believe, while none of the other animagi we know of seem to have traits of their animal forms.
Isn't he also described as having small beady watery eyes?

Also McG's cat had the same markings around its eyes that matched her glasses, Sirius' bark like laugh, and James' hair stuck up in all different directions (kind of like the "prongs" of a stag.)

Isn't he also described as having small beady watery eyes?

Also McG's cat had the same markings around its eyes that matched her glasses, Sirius' bark like laugh, and James' hair stuck up in all different directions (kind of like the "prongs" of a stag.)I think the prong's one might be taking it a wee bit too far! But to add to the list didn't Rita Skeeter the beetle have markings around her eyes that were similar to her glasses?

But to add to the list didn't Rita Skeeter the beetle have markings around her eyes that were similar to her glasses?
Yes I think I remember something like that too. I don't really understand why the animagus forms of Rita Skeeter and McGonagall would have markings like their glasses since glasses aren't actually a part of the person; it's something that can be taken off and changed. Like, what would happened if they got a different style of glasses? Surely they markings wouldn't change? Maybe it's just based on the glasses they were wearing when they first became animagi.

Yes I think I remember something like that too. I don't really understand why the animagus forms of Rita Skeeter and McGonagall would have markings like their glasses since glasses aren't actually a part of the person; it's something that can be taken off and changed. Like, what would happened if they got a different style of glasses? Surely they markings wouldn't change? Maybe it's just based on the glasses they were wearing when they first became animagi.
Yes, I would guess the markings would change. It's an interesting point, though, because it seems like your clothing has no impact on how your animagi form appears.

Yes, I would guess the markings would change. It's an interesting point, though, because it seems like your clothing has no impact on how your animagi form appears.

Whatever you happen to be wearing does seem to just get absorbed in the transformation. Natural coloring seems to show. Like Sirius having black and gray eyes, and Padfoot is a black dog with pale (gray?) eyes. Peter's hair is described as being colorless and he becomes a gray rat. Although that leads to James being one odd looking deer. A black stag with hazel eyes? :hmm:

But why then is McGonagall a tabby? :lol:

I don't think the information about animagi we have is enough to establish any rules for this.

Perhaps animagus' only take on SOME of the characteristics of the witches or wizards. Peter/Scabbers as a rat had a paw missing as did Peter the wizard by having a finger missing. I now wonder if Percy having Scabbers so long wasn't somehow influenced somewhat by him into being so different from the rest of his siblings and parents. Unless he took after horrible Great Aunt Muriel?

Perhaps animagus' only take on SOME of the characteristics of the witches or wizards. Peter/Scabbers as a rat had a paw missing as did Peter the wizard by having a finger missing. I now wonder if Percy having Scabbers so long wasn't somehow influenced somewhat by him into being so different from the rest of his siblings and parents. Unless he took after horrible Great Aunt Muriel?I really doubt that. I mean Peter Pettigrew didn't really influence many people when he was a human why would it be any different as a rat?

About the glasses, I think for those two women their glasses showed a lot about their personality and personality is linked to the animagus as far as we know. Rita Skeeter's obnoxious glasses just showed the obnoxiousness on the inside ... or something like that... maybe someone who can understand what I am trying to say can explain it better?

Whatever you happen to be wearing does seem to just get absorbed in the transformation.
Yet the wizard retains his/her clothing during the transformation. The clothing will seemingly disappear, but when the wizard transforms back into human form, that individual still has his or her clothes.

As for the glasses, I believe they must become "part" of the animal, lest its vision be impaired (which would mean James in stag form would possibly have spectacle markings). It is also possible (probably more so) that the glasses of the individual represent that wizard's personality in such a way it carries over into his or her animal form. Rita Skeeter's fake diamond covered glasses exemplified her attempts at being glamorous (and when some of her diamonds fell off she was obviously less concerned with fashion). McGonagall's spectacles reflected her stern persona.
But why then is McGonagall a tabby?
There is plenty of justification for McGonagall becoming a tabby. Firstly, tabby color of those cats is frequently considered clean-cut, "professional," and not stretching any bounds (ordinary). This certainly fits McGonagall's personality. She is a stern witch who enforces rules with the highest regard. Also, most tabbies have an "M" marking on their foreheads (M for Minerva McGonagall. Finally, McGonagall seems to have an affinity for tartan possessions (her sleeping robes, her slippers, and her biscuit basket), and one could argue that the tabby color slightly resembles tartan patterns (at the least, both are finely carved and precise - no "stretching the limits").

Ah I like the tabby markings being likened to a tartan being of Scottish origin myself and having a belief that Tabbys are an intelligent 'breed' of cat. So is Mcgonagall - so named like a very bad but humorous Scottish poet and also as Minerva a goddess of wisdom but also a warrior goddess as she show in DH. Great tabby cat...

What I really don't get is that Harry saw Voldemort kill his mother,Lily Potter, when he was a baby, so doesn't that mean that he would see the thestrals before he saw Cedric die? I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. What do you think?

Jo explained that one:
Everyone has said to me that Harry saw people die before could see the Thestrals. Just to clear this up once and for all, this was not a mistake. I would be the first to say that I have made mistakes in the books, but this was not a mistake. I really thought this one through. Harry did not see his parents die. He was one year old and in a cot at the time. Although you never see that scene, I wrote it and then cut it. He didn’t see it; he was too young to appreciate it. When you find out about the Thestrals, you find that you can see them only when you really understand death in a broader sense, when you really know what it means. Someone said that Harry saw Quirrell die, but that is not true. He was unconscious when Quirrell died, in Philosopher’s Stone. He did not know until he came around that Quirrell had died when Voldemort left his body. Then you have Cedric. With Cedric, fair point. Harry had just seen Cedric die when he got back into the carriages to go back to Hogsmeade station. I thought about that at the end of Goblet, because I have known from the word go what was drawing the carriages. From Chamber of Secrets, in which there are carriages drawn by invisible things, I have known what was there. I decided that it would be an odd thing to do right at the end of a book. Anyone who has suffered a bereavement knows that there is the immediate shock but that it takes a little while to appreciate fully that you will never see that person again. Until that had happened, I did not think that Harry could see the Thestrals. That means that when he goes back, he saw these spooky things. It set the tone for Phoenix, which is a much darker book.

What I really don't get is that Harry saw Voldemort kill his mother,Lily Potter, when he was a baby, so doesn't that mean that he would see the thestrals before he saw Cedric die? I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. What do you think?

Colonel_Fubster has obviously quoted JK's quote. I've always understood it that it's not just that someone has to die (and be seen dying) but it's also something to do with understanding that death. As JK explained, Harry had seen Cedric die, but he was in complete shock, not only by the death but by everything he'd seen, found out, done. He had to absorb that shock and understand more before the grief of the death alone affected him...therefore he could see the thestrals on his return to school.

Even if Harry had seen his parents die, I would have accepted that he would not have seen the thestrals because although the death affected him, it was in how his life was affected, not the actual death. He did not grieve for his parents in the same way that he would have done if he'd been older when they died.

It does seem as though not only does one have to witness a death but that death needs to be "absorbed" for one to see thestrals. It would therefore be assumed that Luna actually saw her mother blow herself up! Poor child - no wonder she's like she is.

If Percy left hogwarts in POA. Then Ron and Hermione became prefects in ootp. Then who were the prefects in GOF? Where there any?

If Percy left hogwarts in POA. Then Ron and Hermione became prefects in ootp. Then who were the prefects in GOF? Where there any?The new prefects in GoF were students from the fifth year, the year above Harry and the rest. The only students we know from that year are Cho, Katie Bell, and Cormac McClaggen. We don't hear either way whether or not they're prefects. Of course there are others, we just don't know who any of them are. :) But yes, there are 8 prefects for each year 5-7, 2 from each House.

yes, but then in ootp those prefects would be in the sixth year. They wouldn't have graduated yet therefore there wouldn't be a need for new prefects

yes, but then in ootp those prefects would be in the sixth year. They wouldn't have graduated yet therefore there wouldn't be a need for new prefects
Unless you're demoted/not reinstated or no longer wish to be a prefect for some reason you continue to be a prefect after being chosen--5th year through 7th year. So at any one time there are 24 prefects (2 of whom are the head boy and girl)--6 from each house or 8 from each year as DeathlyH said.

My brain hurts :lol:

I don't know if prefects can be demoted. Well, i guess they could be if they did something really horrible.

Harry assumes Draco is a Death Eater. We also assume Draco is a Death Eater. But was it ever actually confirmed that Draco was, in fact, a Death Eater?

Harry assumes Draco is a Death Eater. We also assume Draco is a Death Eater. But was it ever actually confirmed that Draco was, in fact, a Death Eater?I think that the answer is yes.
Here is what JK Rowling said about Draco in her interview with Melissa and Emerson after HBP came out:

MA: I wanted to go back to Draco.
JKR: OK, yeah, let's talk about Draco.
MA: He was utterly fascinating in this book.
JKR: Well, I'm glad you think so, because I enjoyed this one. Draco did a lot of growing up in this book as well. I had an interesting discussion, I thought, with my editor Emma, about Draco. She said to me, "So, Malfoy can do Occlumency," which obviously Harry never mastered and has now pretty much given up on doing, or attempting. And she was querying this and wondering whether he should be as good as it, but I think Draco would be very gifted in Occlumency, unlike Harry. Harry’s problem with it was always that his emotions were too near the surface and that he is in some ways too damaged. But he's also very in touch with his feelings about what's happened to him. He's not repressed, he's quite honest about facing them, and he couldn't suppress them, he couldn't suppress these memories. But I thought of Draco as someone who is very capable of compartmentalizing his life and his emotions, and always has done. So he's shut down his pity, enabling him to bully effectively. He's shut down compassion — how else would you become a Death Eater? So he suppresses virtually all of the good side of himself. But then he's playing with the big boys, as the phrase has it, and suddenly, having talked the talk he's asked to walk it for the first time and it is absolutely terrifying. And I think that that is an accurate depiction of how some people fall into that kind of way of life and they realize what they're in for. I felt sorry for Draco. Well, I’ve always known this was coming for Draco, obviously, however nasty he was.
Harry is correct in believing that Draco would not have killed Dumbledore, which I think is clear when he starts to lower his wand, when the matter is taken out of his hands. Underline mine.

I think that the answer is yes.
Here is what JK Rowling said about Draco in her interview with Melissa and Emerson after HBP came out:

MA: I wanted to go back to Draco.
JKR: OK, yeah, let's talk about Draco.
MA: He was utterly fascinating in this book.
JKR: Well, I'm glad you think so, because I enjoyed this one. Draco did a lot of growing up in this book as well. I had an interesting discussion, I thought, with my editor Emma, about Draco. She said to me, "So, Malfoy can do Occlumency," which obviously Harry never mastered and has now pretty much given up on doing, or attempting. And she was querying this and wondering whether he should be as good as it, but I think Draco would be very gifted in Occlumency, unlike Harry. Harry’s problem with it was always that his emotions were too near the surface and that he is in some ways too damaged. But he's also very in touch with his feelings about what's happened to him. He's not repressed, he's quite honest about facing them, and he couldn't suppress them, he couldn't suppress these memories. But I thought of Draco as someone who is very capable of compartmentalizing his life and his emotions, and always has done. So he's shut down his pity, enabling him to bully effectively. He's shut down compassion — how else would you become a Death Eater? So he suppresses virtually all of the good side of himself. But then he's playing with the big boys, as the phrase has it, and suddenly, having talked the talk he's asked to walk it for the first time and it is absolutely terrifying. And I think that that is an accurate depiction of how some people fall into that kind of way of life and they realize what they're in for. I felt sorry for Draco. Well, I’ve always known this was coming for Draco, obviously, however nasty he was.
Harry is correct in believing that Draco would not have killed Dumbledore, which I think is clear when he starts to lower his wand, when the matter is taken out of his hands. Underline mine.
Thank you!

I've been asking myself this question for a while now. Harry saw Lily Potter die when he was a baby, so doesn't that mean he would have seen the thestrals before OotP? What do you think?

Are we really certain that Harry had seen Lily die? Maybe he was in the other room while trying to stop Voldemort, thats why he hadnt had the power yet.

I've been asking myself this question for a while now. Harry saw Lily Potter die when he was a baby, so doesn't that mean he would have seen the thestrals before OotP? What do you think?

Jo has already answered this question - and she showed what happened in DH as well. Harry did not see Lily die because he was still in his crib. All he saw was the green light.

You can find Jo's exact words here (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=4475387&postcount=4). :)

Is there a relationship between Mrs Figg and Mr Perkins,ex-colleague of Mr Weasley?Because Harry says that the tent Mr Weasley borrowed from Perkins for the quiditch world cup is furnished the same way as Figg's house and smells cats.They might even have been married once.Is there any statement of Jo about it?

Is there a relationship between Mrs Figg and Mr Perkins,ex-colleague of Mr Weasley?Because Harry says that the tent Mr Weasley borrowed from Perkins for the quiditch world cup is furnished the same way as Figg's house and smells cats.They might even have been married once.Is there any statement of Jo about it?No, I think the reference to the smell of cats was probably just a coincidence. We see no evidence for a relationship or even a connection between the two, and JKR hasn't said anything on the subject (I don't think she's been asked, though). :)

Is there a relationship between Mrs Figg and Mr Perkins,ex-colleague of Mr Weasley?Because Harry says that the tent Mr Weasley borrowed from Perkins for the quiditch world cup is furnished the same way as Figg's house and smells cats.They might even have been married once.Is there any statement of Jo about it?

I agree with DeathlyH, there's no link. I think it's more to suggest that they were elderly and they liked the company of cats. A lot of older people have some sort of animal, and magical folk like cats I guess.

This is a very trivial question but it is one that has been bothering me for a while.:lol:

Is harry's divination class comprised of only gryffindors? Other people from other houses aren't mentioned. Aren't there usually a couple of houses in each lesson?

This is a very trivial question but it is one that has been bothering me for a while.:lol:

Is harry's divination class comprised of only gryffindors? Other people from other houses aren't mentioned. Aren't there usually a couple of houses in each lesson?

Hmm... well, I could have sworn Draco was in one of the classes. Maybe I am mixed up now!

But I am sure they had other houses. Each class had students from at least two houses if memory serves me correctly.

Actually, it stands to reason that there would be members of every house in Divination because it is an elective and the sheer class schedule to include only two houses in each elective (I believe there are 5 or 6) would be astronomical.

Isn't care of magical creatures an elective too? Since harry and the others took up that class in third year like divination it is not mandatory. However in one of the books (GOF i think) Ron says " Oh, no we're with the slytherins again." He is reffering to the care of magical creatures class. Why is that elective like all of the mandatory classes? like charms or transfiguration? It doesn't make any sense.:no:

Isn't care of magical creatures an elective too? Since harry and the others took up that class in third year like divination it is not mandatory. However in one of the books (GOF i think) Ron says " Oh, no we're with the slytherins again." He is reffering to the care of magical creatures class. Why is that elective like all of the mandatory classes? like charms or transfiguration? It doesn't make any sense.:no:

I don't know, that's a really good point. It seems like if it was an elective, students from all of the houses would be in it, not just Gryffindors and Slytherins. I can think of two possibilities: one, a lot of kids are interested in it and they had to have two classes for that year or JKR thought it would emphasize the rivalry between Gryffindor and Sltherin better if only those two houses were there.

I believe it's similar to the British school system, which I'm definitely not an expert at, but from Lexicon info→ Everyone is required to take the core classes Astronomy, Charms, Defense Against the Dark Arts, Herbology, History of Magic, Potions, & Transfiguration

For third year they're required to choose two electives: Ancient Runes, Arithmancy, Care of Magical Creatures, Divination, or Muggle Studies. Though if you're very enthusiastic :) you can take more if it can be arranged (like Hermione did). You're allowed to drop electives if you wish, but obviously you then can't get an OWL in that subject--which is required for various jobs.

From what we know Arithmancy and Ancient Runes are quite difficult, and, as many students would, I'm sure a lot of them go for the "easier" subjects. Since I doubt that tons of Slytherins would be interested in Muggle Studies, and Ravenclaws (and even the hard-working Hufflepuffs) would be more likely that the Gryffs to choose a hard class, it's not that surprising that there's a big class of Slytherins and Gryffindors for Divination and Care of Magical Creatures IMO.

Aren't there usually a couple of houses in each lesson?
Not from what I remember reading. Mostly it's the same House in one class except when it's "Double" something. Gryffs have Double Potions and Care of Magical Creatures with Slytherin, Herbology with Hufflepuff, etc.

Doesn't look like it depends whether the subject is elective or not. Potions is compulsory for OWLs, as are Charms and Transfiguration. I may be wrong but seems to me Gryffs sometimes share these also. I'm sure about Potions, CoMC and Herbology. :)

but double something means that it's a double period. Not that it has double the people in it. Like in ootp harry says that he had to spend an hour and a half making the draught of peace. Unless all of the classes are an hour and a half long. That would drive me nuts :lol:

In addition, as illustrated in Half-Blood Prince, NEWT level courses seem to include all houses combined in one class. Or at least mixed up. Malfoy and the Slytherins, Ernie MacMillan, and the trio are all in Slughorn's class together.

Not from what I remember reading. Mostly it's the same House in one class except when it's "Double" something. Gryffs have Double Potions and Care of Magical Creatures with Slytherin, Herbology with Hufflepuff, etc.


That's the way I understood it, too. Double sessions have two houses, single sessions have one house, unless it's an elective and they need to have two houses to makeup a full class.

In addition, as illustrated in Half-Blood Prince, NEWT level courses seem to include all houses combined in one class. Or at least mixed up. Malfoy and the Slytherins, Ernie MacMillan, and the trio are all in Slughorn's class together.

Plus the four Ravenclaws.

NEWT level - It seems to depend on how many sign up, I don't remember Draco being mentioned in Snape's DADA classes and he would have loved Snape's trying to jinx Harry. None but Gryffindor names are mentioned.

Just my impression.

Are we talking about films or books here?

I'd assume books. Because Rowling writes the books not the films.

I don't think there are any rules about who takes classes with who because we see the Gryffindors in potions (compulsory) and Care of Magical Creatures (choice) with the Slytherins but by themselves in Charms (compulsory) and divination (choice). At least up to OWL I think it just depends on how many students are taking the subject, making sure the time doesn't clash for the students or the teachers.

Is there a relationship between Mrs Figg and Mr Perkins,ex-colleague of Mr Weasley?Because Harry says that the tent Mr Weasley borrowed from Perkins for the quiditch world cup is furnished the same way as Figg's house and smells cats.They might even have been married once.Is there any statement of Jo about it?
There is no canon to support this theory, so we can only speculate. However, I think it is a mere coincidence and serves as a reminder that, even after four years of exposure to the magical world, Harry still vividly remembers being locked away in Mrs. Figg's house. Also, only one of the tents smelled of cats - the girls' tent did not.
Actually, it stands to reason that there would be members of every house in Divination because it is an elective and the sheer class schedule to include only two houses in each elective (I believe there are 5 or 6) would be astronomical.
While this is true with such classes as Ancient Runes, Arithmancy, and Muggle Studies (we know Hermione took Muggle Studies with Ernie MacMillan, a Hufflepuff). Also, Muggle Studies is at the same time as Divination (a course comprised of only Gryffindors), which implies Muggle Studies consists of more Hufflepuffs (at that time).
it's not that surprising that there's a big class of Slytherins and Gryffindors for Divination and Care of Magical Creatures IMO.
There is no evidence that Slytherins take Divination with Gryffindors. In fact, we can be almost certain about this because we never read about Draco sneering at Harry or Ron, etc. During Divination classes we only read about the eight Gryffindors we know: Harry, Ron, Dean, Seamus, Neville, Hermione, Parvati, and Lavender.

This is my analysis of who comprises the core classes during Harry's time at Hogwarts:
Astronomy and Charms - We cannot be certain, though it appears as if only Gryffindors are in these lessons with Harry (I am fairly confident they are alone in Charms - we do not see enough of Astronomy to know, though).
Defense Against the Dark Arts - Again, only Gryffindors are in this class. The most telling evidence is the boggart lesson, in which only eight people fought the boggart and the other two (Harry and Hermione) answered Lupin's questions.
Herbology - With the Hufflepuffs, there is innumerable evidence for this.
[list] History of Magic - I would predict this is only with Gryffindors. When Hermione asked Binns about the Chamber of Secrets, the narrator comments only about Dean Thomas, Lavender Brown, and Neville Longbottom's shock (and later Seamus interrupts).
[list] Potions - With the Slytherins, once again, canon clearly states this.
[list] Transfiguration - This class is also made up of just Gryffindors. Before McGonagall dismisses her class once, she says, "As you're all in my House, you should hand Hogsmeade permission forms to me before Halloween." Thus, the class was only of Gryffindors.
Are we talking about films or books here?
This thread is reserved for queries concerning the books. If there are any questions about the movies, you can discuss them here (http://cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=86173).

Why did DD say to remember the rule not to be seen when talking to Hermione at the end of POA about Time travelling? Hermione had to be seen when going back in time so she could get to two classes at a time, right? Am I missing something?

Why did DD say to remember the rule not to be seen when talking to Hermione at the end of POA about Time travelling? Hermione had to be seen when going back in time so she could get to two classes at a time, right? Am I missing something?

Dumbledore was referring primarily to the need for the time-traveling Hermione and Harry to not let themselves be seen by their past selves. Hermione had time-turned all year, but wasn't expecting to do so that evening, so she might have been surprised by her 'future' self.

Beyond that, they needed to avoid being seen by anyone else, who might see two versions of one person at the same time or see them in one place just after seeing them in a different place. It would cause suspicion, might lead to trouble. Imagine if time-turning Hermione and Harry were still in the entry hall while Hermione's past self was slapping Malfoy. What would have happened if Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle left the trio outside, walked into the entry hall, and see Hermione and Harry there in front of them?

Hermione was seen by plenty of people during the year, none of whom realized that there were two Hermiones around at the same time.

Divination is in a smaller room, so perhaps it is only one house? xxx

I was just looking at "the little things" on mugglenet. It says that some of the teachers have spouses but that information is restricted due to reasons we will find out later. What were those reasons? Were there any?

I was just looking at "the little things" on mugglenet. It says that some of the teachers have spouses but that information is restricted due to reasons we will find out later. What were those reasons? Were there any?
So far, the only professor at Hogwarts we know for sure has a spouse is Neville, who is married to Hannah Abbott. We have yet to find out how their relationship functions. (If Neville flews home every night, on weekends only, etc.) There was nothing released about any of the other professors having spouses.

Has the death of Emmeline Vance ever been explained? It was stated in HBP that Snape's information led to her death, but if he's supposed to be good...?

I was just looking at "the little things" on mugglenet. It says that some of the teachers have spouses but that information is restricted due to reasons we will find out later. What were those reasons? Were there any?

Was that a pre-Deathly Hallows item? I suspect it had something to do with finding out about Dumbledore's backstory, him never having married, etc...

Why did DD say to remember the rule not to be seen when talking to Hermione at the end of POA about Time travelling? Hermione had to be seen when going back in time so she could get to two classes at a time, right? Am I missing something?


Beyond that, they needed to avoid being seen by anyone else, who might see two versions of one person at the same time or see them in one place just after seeing them in a different place. It would cause suspicion, might lead to trouble. Imagine if time-turning Hermione and Harry were still in the entry hall while Hermione's past self was slapping Malfoy. What would have happened if Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle left the trio outside, walked into the entry hall, and see Hermione and Harry there in front of them?



I agree with PrivetHedge and I'd like to add something. When Harry and Hermione were going back in time to save Sirius and Buckbeak, I'd imagine they were breaking the law by using the Time-Turner to change the course of events. (Not to mention breaking the law by freeing two condemned prisoners) This would have made it all the more crucial that they not be seen, IMO.

So far, the only professor at Hogwarts we know for sure has a spouse is Neville, who is married to Hannah Abbott. We have yet to find out how their relationship functions. (If Neville flews home every night, on weekends only, etc.) There was nothing released about any of the other professors having spouses.
The Floo network is available at Hogwarts, so perhaps it is like a Ministry job, he just goes home at the end of the day. He'd only need to stay if he was Head of a House.

I was just on another thread that talked about the harry potter prequel. Someone said that the behavior of James and Sirius was not typical of two wizards who were just inducted into the order and that it especially was not typical of one who was head boy. I didn't know that either james nor Sirius had been head boy. I would have thought that they had caused too much trouble:lol:

I was just on another thread that talked about the harry potter prequel. Someone said that the behavior of James and Sirius was not typical of two wizards who were just inducted into the order and that it especially was not typical of one who was head boy. I didn't know that either james nor Sirius had been head boy. I would have thought that they had caused too much trouble:lol:

Hagrid says that James was a Head Boy in PS/SS.

The exact quote is "Now, yer mum an' dad were as good a witch an' wizard as I ever knew. Head boy an' girl at Hogwarts in their day! Suppose the myst'ry is why You-Know-Who never tried to get 'em on his side before . . . probably knew they were too close ter Dumbledore ter want anythin' ter do with the Dark Side.

Hagrid says that James was a Head Boy in PS/SS.

The exact quote is "Now, yer mum an' dad were as good a witch an' wizard as I ever knew. Head boy an' girl at Hogwarts in their day! Suppose the myst'ry is why You-Know-Who never tried to get 'em on his side before . . . probably knew they were too close ter Dumbledore ter want anythin' ter do with the Dark Side.
I always thought that was rather strange since I don't know how fair it is to have both heads from the same house. Seems like there'd be lots of unfairness outcries, but :shrug:

Why did DD say to remember the rule not to be seen when talking to Hermione at the end of POA about Time travelling? Hermione had to be seen when going back in time so she could get to two classes at a time, right? Am I missing something?
In addition to what others have said, Harry and Hermione were going back in time - to a time past curfew, when all students had to be in their common rooms. If Harry and Hermione were seen, they would be punished for breaking the rules. Also, if they were seen, Fudge, Snape, and everyone else would know they did have something to do with rescuing Buckbeak and Sirius when they were supposed to be in the hospital wing.
Someone said that the behavior of James and Sirius was not typical of two wizards who were just inducted into the order and that it especially was not typical of one who was head boy. I didn't know that either james nor Sirius had been head boy. I would have thought that they had caused too much trouble:lol:
James was Head Boy, despite not being a Prefect (as you know, Remus got the Prefect status). Sirius had no higher honor than being one of the brightest students at Hogwarts (and probably one of the best looking). We know that James greatly matured by his seventh year, which Dumbledore thought probably merited a Head Boyship:
"How come she married him?" Harry asked miserably. "She hated him!"
"Nah, she didn't," said Sirius.
"She started going out with him in seventh year," said Lupin.
"Once James had deflated his head a bit," said Sirius.
"And stopped hexing people just for the fun of it," said Lupin.
...
"Look, your father was the best friend I ever had, and he was a good person. A lot of people are idiots at the age of fifteen. He grew out of it."
I believe Dumbledore saw this and rewarded James.

Oh, ok... I completely forgot about James being head boy. Thanks:lol:

Wait then I have a question slightly regarding dancer7's. I thought Sirius said that he and James caused too much trouble to get the prefect badge. Correct me please if I'm wrong, but I thought you had to be a prefect to get to be the head boy/girl since they have all been prefects in the past(as far as I've seen). Is that true?

Its probably the norm but not in this case. Lupin was prefect but James was definitely Head Boy

I thought you had to be a prefect to get to be the head boy/girlAccording to Molly Weasley, the answer would be yes, one must be a Prefect first. But there is no evidence in the books that James was ever a prefect (and Remus' word that he wasn't). Since Hagrid isn't the most reliable source of information, and he is the only one who ever mentioned James being Head Boy, it's hard to "prove" that James had that title. (I know I would have a different opinion if Albus or Minerva had acknowledged James as a Head Boy!) [Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't reread the books in the past year.]

According to Molly Weasley, the answer would be yes, one must be a Prefect first. But there is no evidence in the books that James was ever a prefect (and Remus' word that he wasn't). Since Hagrid isn't the most reliable source of information, and he is the only one who ever mentioned James being Head Boy, it's hard to "prove" that James had that title. (I know I would have a different opinion if Albus or Minerva had acknowledged James as a Head Boy!) [Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't reread the books in the past year.]Long time, no see Nicole! :wave:

I believe you are correct. :) Harry believed Hagrid when he said that James and Lily were both Head Boy/Girl. If it hadn't been true, I definitely think that either Sirius or Remus would have shot that down. Also, we never hear otherwise about it, so if Hagrid's word is all the information we have on the subject then I believe him. :D

Yeah, but would JKR write Hagrid a complete mistake? Could this simply be a book mistake or do you think there were exceptions made? I am highly skeptical that a troublemaker like James would become head boy, let alone they would make exceptions for him to be so also.

Yeah, but would JKR write Hagrid a complete mistake? Could this simply be a book mistake or do you think there were exceptions made? I am highly skeptical that a troublemaker like James would become head boy, let alone they would make exceptions for him to be so also.But if James isn't Head Boy, then why doesn't Jo ever shoot this down in the later books or interviews? It does seem unlikely that James would become Head Boy but like I said, we haven't heard otherwise, so I believe it. :D

Maybe by "head boy and girl" Hagrid meant everyone's favorite. Extremely unlikely but possible.

Yeah, but would JKR write Hagrid a complete mistake? Could this simply be a book mistake or do you think there were exceptions made? I am highly skeptical that a troublemaker like James would become head boy, let alone they would make exceptions for him to be so also.

I never attended a boarding school, but I don't think it's necessary to be a Prefect in order to be a Head Boy. There is no reason to doubt that James was Head Boy because there is nothing in canon that contradicts Hagrid's words.

I see the fact that James became Head Boy as proof that James changed.

Wow, that one is still a can of worms, I see. How about this: JKR changed her mind about lots of things in subsequent books, and since she didn't read any of the preceding books while writing the "next" one, she forgot that Hagrid told Harry that James was Head Boy. What, were Sirius and Remus "saving" Harry's feelings by not mentioning that despite not being a Prefect, their best friend did go on to that 'exalted' position in the end? (Funny how they don't mention Lily becoming Head Girl, either. No one does, except Hagrid in the very first book... :eyebrows: ) They certainly didn't encourage him to keep his chin up and all that, keep his nose clean, etc. because even non-Prefects had a chance! :lol:

I was just thinking about this question the other day as I was rereading SS/PS!

I don't remember anyone saying that you had to be a prefect to be Head Boy/Girl...but maybe I just can't remember correctly. If someone could enlighten me with a page number, it'd be much appreciated. :D

Or it could be tha you actually don't have to be a prefect to become HB or HG, but it just increases your chances of getting picked later if you are one. :) Just a thought.

I was just thinking about this question the other day as I was rereading SS/PS!

I don't remember anyone saying that you had to be a prefect to be Head Boy/Girl...but maybe I just can't remember correctly. If someone could enlighten me with a page number, it'd be much appreciated. :D

Or it could be tha you actually don't have to be a prefect to become HB or HG, but it just increases your chances of getting picked later if you are one. :) Just a thought.

From my knowledge, it never says that one has to be a prefect in order to be a Head Boy or Head Girl. The assumption likely comes from that we know Head Boys that were Prefects as well (e.g. Tom Riddle, Percy Weasley).

It would make sense for James to be Head Boy, for me, personally. It would indicate that James did change. If Dumbledore recognized James' change, then maybe he wouldn't have a problem making him Head Boy, even though James was prone to pulling pranks. Another possibility is that Dumbledore recognized James' leadership skills.

From my knowledge, it never says that one has to be a prefect in order to be a Head Boy or Head Girl. The assumption likely comes from that we know Head Boys that were Prefects as well (e.g. Tom Riddle, Percy Weasley).
:agree: Exactly my reasoning.

It would make sense for James to be Head Boy, for me, personally. It would indicate that James did change. If Dumbledore recognized James' change, then maybe he wouldn't have a problem making him Head Boy, even though James was prone to pulling pranks. Another possibility is that Dumbledore recognized James' leadership skills.
I agree. :) Just because James wasn't a prefect doesn't mean that he didn't mature a lot later. According to Hagrid, Lily ended up being Head Girl, so she obviously displayed maturity and leadership. This really makes me think that it was she who influenced James to stop being so childish and grow up. Lily definitely wasn't impressed with James behavior, so I think he might've changed in order to impress her. Then, as he started going out with her, that change became more permanent. And if such a change did occur in James, DD was bound to notice it. James and Sirius were probably the biggest troublemakers in the school, and I have a feeling that they visited the Headmaster often. ;) So if James stopped being such a miscreant, I think DD would feel proud of him and that may be way he chose James to be a Head Boy.

Just my thoughts on it. :)

Do we know if James was Quidditch captain? When Hermione sees Harry's captain badge she says that made him equal with prefects. Maybe if James were Quidditch captain he could have been head boy since he would have the same status as prefects.

i have a question, i just got done reading HBP (again) and i was wondering why fawkes didn't come to their aid either in the cave or on the astronomy tower. why wasn't his song sung right when dumbledore died? he was there to take the AK curse at the ministry in OOTP.......any thoughts?

i have a question, i just got done reading HBP (again) and i was wondering why fawkes didn't come to their aid either in the cave or on the astronomy tower. why wasn't his song sung right when dumbledore died? he was there to take the AK curse at the ministry in OOTP.......any thoughts?Until I saw the "again," I was afraid to answer this question for you, but I am going to assume you have already read Deathly Hallows. I am sorry if you haven't and I'm spoiling for you.

Fawkes didn't save Dumbledore because Dumbledore did not want to be saved.

yes, i have read it, for the 4th time. :lol: i was thinking that it might be the case. i just hate that part, i thought maybe he didn't want to die quite yet. but, do you think that he wanted snape summond because he knew what was going to happen and he was already vulnerable? and harry said he was pleading with snape......was it pleading to kill him instead of draco?

OH, AND another question, why did he immobilize harry?

OH, AND another question, why did he immobilize harry?
I think he did it because he knew Harry would intervene if he saw that Snape was going to kill him. :)

yes, i have read it, for the 4th time. :lol: i was thinking that it might be the case. i just hate that part, i thought maybe he didn't want to die quite yet. but, do you think that he wanted snape summond because he knew what was going to happen and he was already vulnerable? and harry said he was pleading with snape......was it pleading to kill him instead of draco?That is what I always believed. Even the first time I read it. ;)

I think he did it because he knew Harry would intervene if he saw that Snape was going to kill him. :) I agree.

that makes sense. that didn't even cross my mind.

i have a question, i just got done reading HBP (again) and i was wondering why fawkes didn't come to their aid either in the cave or on the astronomy tower. why wasn't his song sung right when dumbledore died? he was there to take the AK curse at the ministry in OOTP.......any thoughts?
As BurrowGhoul said, Dumbledore did not summon Fawkes on the Astronomy Tower because he did not want to be saved. He knew that he would die on the tower (not by Draco, but, at least, by another Death Eater), so this is when he decided for Snape to kill him.

I do not see why Dumbledore would need Fawkes' help in the cave. The only time Fawkes may have been helpful would be when/after Dumbledore drinks the potion, but he was probably too weak and not quite in the right state of mind to summon him. Of course, the magic of the cave could have prevented Fawkes from being called, too (though this is uncertain, since Kreacher Disapparated from there).
i was thinking that it might be the case. i just hate that part, i thought maybe he didn't want to die quite yet.
He may not have wanted to die right then, but he chose to because he would have died - if not by Snape, than by a different Death Eater.

thanks for your help! that makes sense!

After Lupin questions Harry at the Burrow, he states that the potion is intended for human use only and Hagrid couldn't have taken it because he is a part giant.

Well, then what about Fleur? She's part veela but she took the potion. And why didn't they use Tonks's metamorphing ability and not waste potion?

As I recall, Fleur didn't take the potion. Ron, who did transform, was partnered with her.
As for Tonks, while we know it was possible for her to change her appearance, it might not have been possible for her to accurately imitate someone else. And if you're making Polyjuice Potion for four, it's not a big deal to make it for five, they didn't have to take much. :)

As I recall, Fleur didn't take the potion. Ron, who did transform, was partnered with her.
As for Tonks, while we know it was possible for her to change her appearance, it might not have been possible for her to accurately imitate someone else. And if you're making Polyjuice Potion for four, it's not a big deal to make it for five, they didn't have to take much. :)
Actually, Fleur DID take the potion. She told Bill she "looked horrible", and for him not to look at her. She was not partnered with Ron, but with Bill Weasley - and they flew a thestral, not a broom, if I remember right. I'm sure about the potion and her injunction to Bill not to look at her, I'm less sure (but still pretty sure) about the thestral.

I guess she didn't have enough veela blood in her for the potion not to work on her, or maybe Veela's biological make-up is more compatible with Humans' than the Giants' is. :)

As I recall, Fleur didn't take the potion. Ron, who did transform, was partnered with her.
As for Tonks, while we know it was possible for her to change her appearance, it might not have been possible for her to accurately imitate someone else. And if you're making Polyjuice Potion for four, it's not a big deal to make it for five, they didn't have to take much. :)
Actually, Fleur DID take the potion. She told Bill she "looked horrible", and for him not to look at her. She was not partnered with Ron, but with Bill Weasley - and they flew a thestral, not a broom, if I remember right. I'm sure about the potion and her injunction to Bill not to look at her, I'm less sure (but still pretty sure) about the thestral.

I guess she didn't have enough veela blood in her for the potion not to work on her, or maybe Veela's biological make-up is more compatible with Humans' than the Giants' is. :)
Fleur is right about the circumstances of... the book Fleur taking the potion. My guess would be that, since she is only a quarter veela (We know that the veela line was passed down through her maternal grandmother because in GoF she says the core of her wand is a hair from her grandmother), that her veela blood has been diluted enough that she is closer to human. Giants also have a certain resistance built into their systems against most magical charms and potions (partially because they are so large and there skin is so thick) that the Polyjuice potion probably would not work on Hagird, whose mother was a giant. Veela are smaller and possibly more human-like.

My guess about not using Tonks's Metamorphing ability would be that Tonks was a skilled Auror so they wanted to use her as one of "Harry's" protectors instead of not changing, say, a Weasley twin or Fleur. It made more sense for Harry to be traveling with the most skilled Aurors and wizards and witches the Order could offer so it was better for the facade if Tonks stayed as herself.

James was definitely not a prefect, and he definitely was head boy (it's in the canon). Lily was most likely prefect and then definitely head girl.
James probably matured in Dumbledore's eyes due to saving Snape from Lupin. I think anyone could be head boy, Sirius and Remus didn't mention this to Harry as he was feeling bad about not being a prefect.
Hogwarts usually parts from muggle convention like this, such as families not always being in the same house. I think it's quite plausible one doesn't have to be a prefect - it probably helps your chances but it is not a sure path to Head Boy/Girl.
As for J.K.R. making a mistake - I really, really, really don't think so, as it explains Lily getting to know James in 7th year and going out with him.

In POA Black states that everyone knew that Wormtail was the spy that eventually led Voldemort to lose his powers. Why is it that Snape was unaware that Wormtail was the spy when it seems everyone else in azkaban knew?

In POA Black states that everyone knew that Wormtail was the spy that eventually led Voldemort to lose his powers. Why is it that Snape was unaware that Wormtail was the spy when it seems everyone else in azkaban knew?Snape was never in Azkaban.

My guess about not using Tonks's Metamorphing ability would be that Tonks was a skilled Auror so they wanted to use her as one of "Harry's" protectors instead of not changing, say, a Weasley twin or Fleur. It made more sense for Harry to be traveling with the most skilled Aurors and wizards and witches the Order could offer so it was better for the facade if Tonks stayed as herself.
Yes, that's the explanation that makes the most sense.

They needed their best Wizards and Witches, and that includes Aurors and Curse Breakers (like Bill) to "ride shotgun" with the six Harrys - the real one and the five fake ones. Because if one of the fake ones had a "weaker" escort, the DEs would know it was not the real Harry.

In POA Black states that everyone knew that Wormtail was the spy that eventually led Voldemort to lose his powers. Why is it that Snape was unaware that Wormtail was the spy when it seems everyone else in azkaban knew?

No one knew the double-crosser by name. The death eaters were furious about a traitor who led Voldemort to Godric's Hollow and then Voldemort was dead and the death eaters all rounded up. In Azkaban, I think the death eaters were all shouting and calling for the blood of the double crosser, but they did not know who it was IMO.

But the confusing thing is after Sirius was captured as the DE who betrayed the Potters and brought about Voldemort's downfall, did not the DEs curse him as the double crosser?

This might seem silly, but in OOTP, Harry refers to Voldemort as "You-Know-Who. (p. 263, USA HC)" I can't remember him ever doing this on any other occasion. Does anyone else find this strange?

This might seem silly, but in OOTP, Harry refers to Voldemort as "You-Know-Who. (p. 263, USA HC)" I can't remember him ever doing this on any other occasion. Does anyone else find this strange?

Good catch! :)

I think the only reason Harry did so was that his class was reacting strongly when he said Voldemort. Maybe he was just saying You-Know-Who so the class wouldn't react that way? I honestly have no idea, it's just a guess.

He did it out of courtesy in PS/SS too when talking to Ron.

No one knew the double-crosser by name. The death eaters were furious about a traitor who led Voldemort to Godric's Hollow and then Voldemort was dead and the death eaters all rounded up. In Azkaban, I think the death eaters were all shouting and calling for the blood of the double crosser, but they did not know who it was IMO.
I disagree. I believe that those Death Eaters did know it was Wormtail. Otherwise, there would be no reason for Wormtail to hide from them.
"You haven't been hiding from me for twelve years," said Black. "You've been hiding from Voldemort's old supporters. I heard things in Azkaban, Peter...They all think you're dead, or you'd have to answer to them...I've heard them screaming all sorts of things in their sleep. Sounds like they think the double-crosser double-crossed them. Voldemort went to the Potters' on your information...and Voldemort met his downfall there. And not all Voldemort's supporters ended up in Azkaban, did they? There are still plenty out here, biding their time, pretending they've seen the error of their ways...If they ever got wind that you were still alive, Peter -"
From this, Sirius makes it seem as if the Death Eaters knew Peter revealed the information about the Potters.

As for why Snape did not know it was Pettigrew, he seemed completely unaware of the Fidelius Charm - neither from Dumbledore or Voldemort:
"I thought...you were going...to keep her...safe...."
"She and James put their faith in the wrong person," said Dumbledore. "Rather like you, Severus."
Snape was possibly too frenzied with "switching sides" to know of the Fidelius Charm, in which case he did not hear that Pettigrew gave the information to Voldemort.
But the confusing thing is after Sirius was captured as the DE who betrayed the Potters and brought about Voldemort's downfall, did not the DEs curse him as the double crosser?
No. The Death Eaters were well aware that Sirius Black was not the spy (I believe Bellatrix makes a comment about it in OotP).
This might seem silly, but in OOTP, Harry refers to Voldemort as "You-Know-Who. (p. 263, USA HC)" I can't remember him ever doing this on any other occasion. Does anyone else find this strange?
Harry does it occasionally to spare others the discomfort saying the name brings to them. Since Angelina was already upset, he probably stopped himself from saying Voldemort's name before he started (unlike normally, when he begins to say the name and then corrects himself).

In POA Black states that everyone knew that Wormtail was the spy that eventually led Voldemort to lose his powers. Why is it that Snape was unaware that Wormtail was the spy when it seems everyone else in azkaban knew?


Remember what Karkaroff said in his trial in GoF - the Death Eaters never knew the identities of all of their fellows, only the Dark Lord knew who they all were.
This makes it quite plausible that while some Death Eaters knew the identity of the spy, Snape didn't.
This was a smart move on Voldemorts' part, as he placed Snape as spy at Hogwarts- it helped him if his spies didn't know who their fellow spies were.

Is there any kind of break down of how many people married someone outside their Hogwarts house, and how many married someone within the same Hogwarts house? I'm just curious, because it seems not many people go outside their own house to marry.

Remember what Karkaroff said in his trial in GoF - the Death Eaters never knew the identities of all of their fellows, only the Dark Lord knew who they all were.
This makes it quite plausible that while some Death Eaters knew the identity of the spy, Snape didn't.
This was a smart move on Voldemorts' part, as he placed Snape as spy at Hogwarts- it helped him if his spies didn't know who their fellow spies were.

Karkaroff's statement doesn't hold up in the text though. The Death Eaters are shown to know each other - many of them met in school and planned on joining the Death Eaters then - a lot of them are related to each other by blood or marriage. In DH, we see that they are all connected through the Dark Mark - when one pressed the mark, all of the others got the message, knew who sent the message, and where that Death Eater was. McGonagall pointed that out when Snape showed up outside of Ravenclaw tower - he had received Alecto's message, knew she had sent it, and knew she was at Ravenclaw tower.

So - from what we are shown in the text - Karkaroff was lying. The Death Eaters knew each other and were connected to each other through the Dark Mark. And - as MrSleepyHead pointed out - Pettigrew did not have any other reason to spend 12 years hiding as a rat and his behavior in the Shreaking Shack confirms that. He was hiding from the Death Eaters who did not get sent to Azkaban because they all knew who he was and they all blamed him for Voldemort's downfall because they all knew that he had been the one to tell Voldemort how to get to the Potters.

Also, it would have been pretty stupid for Voldemort not to tell the other Death Eaters who his spies were. He needed them alive - particularly Snape and Pettigrew. The Death Eaters would have killed Snape if they hadn't known he was spying - and Bellatrix confirmed in HBP that the Death Eaters did in fact know about that. The same applies to Pettigrew - even more so because he was the only person close to the Potters who would spy on them and he was still an active member of the Order at the time. The Death Eaters had to be in on that so they wouldn't kill Pettigrew in his duties with the Order. Pettigrew also had the Dark Mark - which connected him to all the other Death Eaters. So the text does show that all the Death Eaters knew that Pettigrew was the real spy.

yes, i have read it, for the 4th time. :lol: i was thinking that it might be the case. i just hate that part, i thought maybe he didn't want to die quite yet. but, do you think that he wanted snape summond because he knew what was going to happen and he was already vulnerable? and harry said he was pleading with snape......was it pleading to kill him instead of draco?

Dumbledore and Snape already had a plan for Snape to kill Dumbledore. As stated in Deathly Hallows on page 682 in the US Hardcover edition...

"Snape raised his eyebrows and his tone was sardonic as he asked, "Are you intending on letting him kill you?"
"Certainly not. You must kill me.""

And again on page 683...

"..."I ask this one great favor of you, Severus, because death is coming for me...""

And once more on page 685...

""After you've killed me, Severus--"...
"You gave me your word, Severuus.""

As such, he summoned Snape to make sure that Snape was the one to do the killing. That way he would still look like he was inside Voldemort's circle and continue to spy.


OH, AND another question, why did he immobilize harry?

He immobilized Harry to protect Harry. Otherwise, he would be in grave danger when the Death Eaters arrived on the tower. This prevented him from running to Dumbledore's rescue and risking his own life while also allowing him the chance to wait on the tower until the Death Eaters left.:relax:


Also, it would have been pretty stupid for Voldemort not to tell the other Death Eaters who his spies were. He needed them alive - particularly Snape and Pettigrew. The Death Eaters would have killed Snape if they hadn't known he was spying - and Bellatrix confirmed in HBP that the Death Eaters did in fact know about that. The same applies to Pettigrew - even more so because he was the only person close to the Potters who would spy on them and he was still an active member of the Order at the time. The Death Eaters had to be in on that so they wouldn't kill Pettigrew in his duties with the Order. Pettigrew also had the Dark Mark - which connected him to all the other Death Eaters. So the text does show that all the Death Eaters knew that Pettigrew was the real spy.

That is a good point. But it is a possibility that Voldemort did not tell the Death Eaters who their fellows were because there was always the chance of a DE turning to the good side. In that case the DE would be able to sell out all of the others.

It does make sense for some DEs to know the ID of a few others bc of school, society, etc... including working together during their "dark deeds". But this does not mean that they knew everybody.

How are owls able to reach Sirius at Grimmaud Place? Wouldn't they have a bit of trouble locating a door or window due to the enchantment?

How are owls able to reach Sirius at Grimmaud Place? Wouldn't they have a bit of trouble locating a door or window due to the enchantment?

Different rules seem to apply to owls. We've seen that they can find and deliver to people who've made their location Unplottable.

I believe it was addressed somewhere in the series or a JKR interview that one could not find a fugitive like Sirius or Voldemort by simply addressing a letter, giving it to a post owl, and following the owl.

I suppose that a magic post owl must have some ability to align or graft themselves to a person's current state of being. We've seen in the series that there's a great deal of magic attached to the power of a name (the Marauder's Map). It is probably some related magic that allows an owl to link between the name on an envelope and the eponymous person. Sirius was (presumably) Unplottable in his tropical and hillside hiding places (in GoF). When Harry would send Hedwig or Pig, they would at some point become aligned with Sirius' Unplottable state.

Since we see (in OotP) that owls can indeed find #12 Grimmauld Place, we can say that the abilities of an owl are not impeded by the enchantments that were used there.

Also, we saw that owls will tap at the window until someone lets them in, or they'll find another way, like flying down the chimney.

I believe it was addressed somewhere in the series or a JKR interview that one could not find a fugitive like Sirius or Voldemort by simply addressing a letter, giving it to a post owl, and following the owl. *Section: F.A.Q.
In 'Prisoner of Azkaban', why couldn't the Ministry of Magic have sent Sirius an owl, and then followed it, to find him?
Just as wizards can make buildings unplottable, they can also make themselves untraceable. Voldemort would have been found long ago if it had been as simple as sending him an owl!
It seems to work a bit like a spam filter, only those senders you selected can find you. And the olws were pretty creative in getting inside the Dursley's house, Grimauld Place 12 has windows and a chimney and when every entrance is closed they might wait outside until someone opens the door.

It's been discussed before how, afterwards, we were able to realize that the reason Bathilda / Nagini wasn't talking to Harry and Hermione was because it would have been in Parseltongue and Hermione would have known something was wrong....

Well, I'm right in the middle of a re-read of DH and on page 336 of the US version, there is a line that starts " 'Come!' called Bathilda from the next room. Hermione jumped and clutched Harry's arm." How is it that, in this case, Hermione obviously heard Bathilda speak but it would have been in Parseltongue, having come from Nagini.

This must be my 5th or 6th read and I've never noticed that before. Any thoughts? Sorry if this has been addressed before but we have a rather extensive forum here and it's hard to keep track of all the posts. Thanks!

It's been discussed before how, afterwards, we were able to realize that the reason Bathilda / Nagini wasn't talking to Harry and Hermione was because it would have been in Parseltongue and Hermione would have known something was wrong....

Well, I'm right in the middle of a re-read of DH and on page 336 of the US version, there is a line that starts " 'Come!' called Bathilda from the next room. Hermione jumped and clutched Harry's arm." How is it that, in this case, Hermione obviously heard Bathilda speak but it would have been in Parseltongue, having come from Nagini.

This must be my 5th or 6th read and I've never noticed that before. Any thoughts? Sorry if this has been addressed before but we have a rather extensive forum here and it's hard to keep track of all the posts. Thanks!
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The fact that Hermione jumps clearly shows that she noticed something amiss...rather heard the hiss, but then I guess she let go of it, seeing that Bathilda was out of the league of normal people and that there always was a general hissing tone about her...:shrug:

Lest it maybe a Book Mistake. :lol:

Good point. It's weird how we can re-read all these books over and over and still pick up on little things like this.

Well, I'm right in the middle of a re-read of DH and on page 336 of the US version, there is a line that starts " 'Come!' called Bathilda from the next room. Hermione jumped and clutched Harry's arm." How is it that, in this case, Hermione obviously heard Bathilda speak but it would have been in Parseltongue, having come from Nagini. That's interesting, I never noticed that before. I'd say that since "Bathilda" was in the next room, Hermione could have heard the hissing, but not known what it was, ie, that it was Nagini speaking. If Bathilda had been in the same room and spoken, Hermione would have been much more likely to see that the hissing was coming from "Bathilda".

Anyone know which house Hagrid was in?

I'm almost positive that I read an interview where J.K. stated he was, in fact, in Gryffindor. I'm gonna have to go search for that now....it's gonna bug me.

Gryffindor, right? I feel positive.

ETA: McGonagall gathered the Heads of Houses at the end of HBP. Flitwick, Slughorn, Sprout, and Hagrid.

Yeah, Gryffindor (well according to what I read on Mugglenet.)

Anyone know which house Hagrid was in?

Gryffindor of course. ;)

Yahooligan_seachellie4 asks: What house was Hagrid in?

jkrowling_bn: Hagrid was in Gryffindor, naturally!

The quote meesha gave is from here:
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-livechat-barnesnoble.html

Different rules seem to apply to owls. We've seen that they can find and deliver to people who've made their location Unplottable.

I believe it was addressed somewhere in the series or a JKR interview that one could not find a fugitive like Sirius or Voldemort by simply addressing a letter, giving it to a post owl, and following the owl.

I suppose that a magic post owl must have some ability to align or graft themselves to a person's current state of being. We've seen in the series that there's a great deal of magic attached to the power of a name (the Marauder's Map). It is probably some related magic that allows an owl to link between the name on an envelope and the eponymous person. Sirius was (presumably) Unplottable in his tropical and hillside hiding places (in GoF). When Harry would send Hedwig or Pig, they would at some point become aligned with Sirius' Unplottable state.

Since we see (in OotP) that owls can indeed find #12 Grimmauld Place, we can say that the abilities of an owl are not impeded by the enchantments that were used there.

Also, we saw that owls will tap at the window until someone lets them in, or they'll find another way, like flying down the chimney.

Thanks. That's interesting. I guess I never considered owls too powerfully magical, but now I think about it, I'd guess theyd have to be (I think I must have an owl prejudice after learning that they weren't all that 'wise')

A friend at work said that she always assumed that Harry told Hedwig the same message that Moody asked Harry to memorize (when he first came to the house). But your explanation seems more plausible.

Regarding Snape not knowing that Wormtail was the traitor... as Wormtail was a Gryffindor at Hogwarts, its possible that some of the other Death Eaters didn't know his identity as he was never part of their group at school. My guess is that a few of Voldemort's followers (eg. Bellatrix) might've known Wormtail was working for their side (and also knew he was helping V find the Potters), and after V's downfall wanted revenge on him. And thus his identity became known in Azkaban.
I think V would've been careful not to put all his eggs in one basket. As much as he trusted Snape, I doubt he ever told any of his Death Eaters all of his secrets and sources.

Ah Gryffindor, thanks.

Do doors re-lock after you use Alohomora?

I've never thought of that. Since they start out as locked, do they re-lock themselves? I can't think of any instance in the series when Alohomora was used and it was specifically noted that the door either stayed ulocked or not.

I'm guessing they don't re-lock themselves after Alohamora. If the witch/wizard wanted to lock the door again I think they'd probably have to use a different spell.

I'm guessing they don't re-lock themselves after Alohamora. If the witch/wizard wanted to lock the door again I think they'd probably have to use a different spell.
Such as Colloportus?

I agree, though. Alohomora's magic seems as if it would end with locking the door. It is an elementary spell, after all, so I do not think it would lock the door and also know when to re-lock it.

Of course, this would mean that Filch may have known that a student had entered into the Forbidden Corridor; though he certainly could have blamed Peeves, also.

That should be Colloportus if I remember right.

Of course, this would mean that Filch may have known that a student had entered into the Forbidden Corridor; though he certainly could have blamed Peeves, also.
THAT is exactly why I asked. :)

ETA: I also noticed Hermione used Harry's wand to open the door, and had no complaints about its effectiveness. I chalked that up to being new to wand use. ;)

ETA: I also noticed Hermione used Harry's wand to open the door, and had no complaints about its effectiveness. I chalked that up to being new to wand use. ;)

In DH, Harry had no trouble using Hermione's wand (once his was broken); unlike the snatcher's Blackthorn wand that Ron gave him and Hermione's troubles with Bellatrix's wand.

Maybe Harry and Hermione are just compatable in some way and that is reflected in their wands. That would be a good question to ask Jo - or maybe it will be in the Scottish Book (Encyclopedia).

Maybe Harry and Hermione are just compatable in some way and that is reflected in their wands. That would be a good question to ask Jo - or maybe it will be in the Scottish Book (Encyclopedia).


Also perhaps it was because they had similar personalities and aims with their magic which made it easier, not to mention that they were so close personally which probably helped.

That's what I was thinking, too. I have a feeling that the personal relationship between two people would affect how well they can use one another's wands.

It might have something to do with compatibility, as well as trust and being freely given.

Also, those examples involved pretty basic magic, if I recall correctly. Hermione used Harry's wand to unlock a door. Harry used hers to crack open the ice on the pond.

I don't know if I'd read too much into it, though. From the very first book, Ollivander said something like if you're any sort of a wizard of all, you'll be able to focus your magic through any wand, though you'll never get quite as good results with some else's wand...

Look back at Prisoner of Azkaban. Sirius uses Ron's wand against Harry and Hermione. Later, he uses Snape's wand against Peter and then against Snape himself! He had no trouble then.

On the flip side, Neville had trouble using Hermione's wand during the battle at the Ministry, mostly because his broken nose wouldn't let him enunciate clearly.

More seriously, Neville and Ron had trouble growing into their own magic abilities when they were using wands (on a long-term basis) that belonged to other people.

Actually that's an very good point because just look how much both Ron and Neville improved when they finally got their own wands that actually chose them......

Maybe we can move this discussion to Questions about Wands (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=111070) or New Emphasis on the Uses of Wands and the Lore of Wandmakers (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=108169) now :)

I am reading SS, and have just passed the point of the troll, and I was wondering: is there any significance to the fact that Snape asked Filch to bandage his leg, and was idly chatting with him about the difficulty in watching all three of Fluffy's heads.

Is this an indication that Filch knows Snape is on the "good" side, and that he had a valid reason for trying to get past Fluffy?

Filch tried to bandage Snape's leg? Maybe Filch doesn't care either way about Snape's motive, Snape's always been on his (Filch's) side when it comes to students and Peeves.

I am reading SS, and have just passed the point of the troll, and I was wondering: is there any significance to the fact that Snape asked Filch to bandage his leg, and was idly chatting with him about the difficulty in watching all three of Fluffy's heads.

Is this an indication that Filch knows Snape is on the "good" side, and that he had a valid reason for trying to get past Fluffy?
I do not think there is any definite answer for this query. We cannot know why Snape chose to have Filch help bandage his leg instead of going to Madam Pomfrey or simply bandaging his leg with a spell (like the spell Lupin uses on Ron in the Shrieking Shack: Ferula).

However, if Snape is complaining about Fluffy to Filch, the two are clearly on good terms (they both largely dislike students), at least in SS/PS (in GoF Snape seems slightly impatient with Argus). Snape also told Filch to come to him if anyone was wandering around at night. It also implies that Filch knows the secrets of the third floor corridor - at least Fluffy - much like Hagrid knew. Dumbledore appears to trust Filch, so it would not be surprising that he trusted him with this information.

I do not think Snape told Filch about his and Dumbledore's suspicions of Quirrell. He seems to be using Filch to spy on Quirrell, but, since Filch tells Snape "You asked me to come directly to you, Professor, if anyone was wandering around at night," he does not seem to know exactly who he is keeping an eye out for. I believe Dumbledore may have convinced Filch that Snape was trustworthy, so Filch did not suspect Snape.

However, if Snape is complaining about Fluffy to Filch, the two are clearly on good terms (they both largely dislike students), at least in SS/PS (in GoF Snape seems slightly impatient with Argus). Snape also told Filch to come to him if anyone was wandering around at night. It also implies that Filch knows the secrets of the third floor corridor - at least Fluffy - much like Hagrid knew. Dumbledore appears to trust Filch, so it would not be surprising that he trusted him with this information.
My first thought agreed with this, but then I thought that Snape didn't say anything about someone wandering around near the 3rd floor corridor, just wandering around in general. So either a) he was concerned about someone trying to get the Stone, or b) he just wanted to be informed if there were any rule-breakers, so that he could be the one to take them to task. Which seems a very Snape-like thing to do. ;)

I alway thought that Snape asked Filch to do the bandageing ,because he didn't trust Madam Pomfrey not to tell others about Snapes leg injury . I think he trusted Filch to keep his mouth shut about it . This is just my take on this .

twins:p

Voldemort had long since been rumoured to be in hiding in Albania.So how were people supposed to know his whereabouts?

My first thought agreed with this, but then I thought that Snape didn't say anything about someone wandering around near the 3rd floor corridor, just wandering around in general. So either a) he was concerned about someone trying to get the Stone, or b) he just wanted to be informed if there were any rule-breakers, so that he could be the one to take them to task. Which seems a very Snape-like thing to do.
Very true. However, it may be that Snape did not want to be too obvious to Filch. Thus, if he had been specific in asking Filch to watch out for anyone wandering the third floor corridor, Filch may have become suspicious. By asking Filch to keep any eye out for anyone, in general, Snape could keep Filch oblivious and, at the same time, be warned if anyone was around the third floor.

I agree that Snape also made it a broad statement so he could simply catch any wrongdoer, but I think the main reason for his vagueness was to keep Filch unaware of his true intentions.
I alway thought that Snape asked Filch to do the bandageing ,because he didn't trust Madam Pomfrey not to tell others about Snapes leg injury . I think he trusted Filch to keep his mouth shut about it . This is just my take on this .
I do not believe this is the reason. Madam Pomfrey has proven that she does not reveal her patients' maladies to others. She "never asks too many questions." She did not question Ron about his bite from Norbert - she suspected something, but did not reveal it to others; and she did nothing when Hermione's transformation went badly wrong. Thus, Snape should have had no reason to worry that Madam Pomfrey would betray him.
Voldemort had long since been rumoured to be in hiding in Albania.So how were people supposed to know his whereabouts?
There are a couple of likely scenarios for this, I think. Voldemort says in GoF:
His filthy friends told him there was a place, deep in an Albanian forest, that they avoided, where small animals like themselves had met their deaths by a dark shadow that possessed them...
But his journey back to me was not smooth, was it, Wormtail? For, hungry one night, on the edge of the very forest where he had hoped to find me, he foolishly stopped at an inn for some food..."
Thus, some wizards may have encountered that "dark shadow" that mysteriously killed small animals (we know Quirrell encountered him here). This is even more plausible since there was an inn on the outskirts of the forest.

I think Mr Sleepyhead is not such a sleepyhead at all as I think his post hit the nail on the head exactly. Pomfrey is very discreet but I think somehow Albus knows the goings on everywhere in Hogwarts but doesn't interfere if those in the know don't think it's life threatening and Poppy is a discreet but very good judge on health matters.

Sorry got distracted by Wimbledon and left unposted message for 20 minutes or so.

Now back to post - we know now why Albanians were fleeing into the old Yugoslavian countries over their border.:lol: - Or not.... Lots of mysterious unexplained disappearances and deaths of family pets and general livestock? Voldemort has been the cause of much of the world's problems!

Probably shouldn't have said that since war of any kind is not a laughing matter......

BTW have sent an owl to SusanBones re this post in case my sick sense of humor doesn't go down too well.... sorry in advance?

In Moody's room after Voldemort's rebirth Dumbledore asks Snape to bring Winky.It seems like Dumbledore guesses the fake Moody is Crouch.What makes him to think so?

In Moody's room after Voldemort's rebirth Dumbledore asks Snape to bring Winky.It seems like Dumbledore guesses the fake Moody is Crouch.What makes him to think so?

Well he was looking at the memory of Crouch Jr.'s trial earlier, and he knew Crouch Sr. had been on Hogwarts grounds, behaving oddly, and asking to see Dumbledore. Then he disappeared and Krum was found unconscious. Dumbledore probably guessed that Crouch Sr. was Imperiused. This is along with all the other weird things that were going on, so I guess Dumbledore figured out that Winky might know something about what was going on and wanted her involved.

In Moody's room after Voldemort's rebirth Dumbledore asks Snape to bring Winky.It seems like Dumbledore guesses the fake Moody is Crouch.What makes him to think so?

In the series, Dumbledore always seems to be on step ahead of the game, i.e. he's clever. He's guessed right about so many important things that it seems only consistent for him to guess as much in that instance.

In the series, Dumbledore always seems to be on step ahead of the game, i.e. he's clever. He's guessed right about so many important things that it seems only consistent for him to guess as much in that instance.

That, and the fact that Dumbledore did know about Harry's dream, in which a man did appear. I'm thinking Dumbledore would have put two and two together. Considering he probably had a few other clues as to it being Crouch jr as well, which would have explained why he was viewing memories of Crouch's trial in the Pensieve.

But what really confuses me here is that Dumbledore said he had not known it wasn't Moody until he took Harry out of his sight at The third task after Cedric had died, Voldemort returning etc... He trusted to "Moody" to keep teaching and to even secure the Triwizard Cup iteself in the maze. So I believe Dumbledore had no idea that this was an imposter Moody. Which would merit absolutely no explanation as to how he knew to fetch Winky.

When Mr. Crouch escaped from Voldemort (well, from Peter, anyway) and tried to get to Dumbledore, he said several things in front of Harry and Viktor at the edge of the Forest. Among those was a reference to his son.

There were the events surrounding the sacking of Winky at the World Cup.

There were indications of an unaccounted-for Death Eater - someone who knew how to conjure the Dark Mark at the World Cup yet was apparently unknown to those who were torturing the Muggles.

A few crumbs like these, and I guess Dumbledore was able to make a brilliant leap.

very sorry if i am repeating anyone elses question, but there are 51 pages of this thread.

what happened to the dursleys? did they stay in hiding forever? did harry ever try and find them? it was kind of sad that they were never mentioned again

what happened to the dursleys? did they stay in hiding forever? did harry ever try and find them? it was kind of sad that they were never mentioned again

It's still one of those mysteries we might get an answer to one day. I want to know too!

You might want to take a look at this thread What do you think happened to the Dursleys? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=109152) where we speculate on what happened to them. If Dudley got along with Harry and so on :)

thanks very much i will look at that now. lets just hope that jkr will answer it in a forthcoming interview

How and when does Harry get back the Marauder's Map,which was borrowed by Jr Crouch?And does Dumbledore know about the map?I thought not,but why doesnt he interrogate Harry, then ;when he hears Jr Crouch's confession of having borrowed the map of Hogwarts from Harry?

That, and the fact that Dumbledore did know about Harry's dream, in which a man did appear. I'm thinking Dumbledore would have put two and two together. Considering he probably had a few other clues as to it being Crouch jr as well, which would have explained why he was viewing memories of Crouch's trial in the Pensieve.

But what really confuses me here is that Dumbledore said he had not known it wasn't Moody until he took Harry out of his sight at The third task after Cedric had died, Voldemort returning etc... He trusted to "Moody" to keep teaching and to even secure the Triwizard Cup iteself in the maze. So I believe Dumbledore had no idea that this was an imposter Moody. Which would merit absolutely no explanation as to how he knew to fetch Winky.

The bolded part was only in the movie - in the book the first time Crouch Jr "appeared" was at the speaking of the Dark Mark Spell and in body as Moody at Hogwarts.

How and when does Harry get back the Marauder's Map,which was borrowed by Jr Crouch?And does Dumbledore know about the map?I thought not,but why doesnt he interrogate Harry, then ;when he hears Jr Crouch's confession of having borrowed the map of Hogwarts from Harry?From the FAQ section of JKR's website:
How did Harry get the Marauder's Map back at the end of 'Goblet of Fire'?
He simply took it back from the fake Moody’s office, but I never show him doing so. Maybe I’ll insert a line in the next edition. I’m afraid I took it for granted that you’d all assume that next time he passed the untenanted office he’d go and get it!

Oh,thank you BurrowGhoul:cool: What about Dumbledore,though?Did he know about the map?Why didn't he ask questions to Harry about it?

Oh,thank you BurrowGhoul:cool: What about Dumbledore,though?Did he know about the map?Why didn't he ask questions to Harry about it?

As far as I'm aware Dumbledore didn't know about the map. However I'd like to think that if he did he would want Harry to keep it, like how he gave Harry his invisability cloak back, even though it had been used to break school rules

I don't think Dumbldore had guessed that the impostor was Barty jr..
It was obvious by then that Crouch Sr. had been somewhere in the center of the plot. And Dumbledore with his enormous brainpower and his knowledge of Crouch had certaily worked that out.
Dumbledore had heared of the events at the World Cup and had had a chance to talk to Winky when he employed her, so I'm sure he knew that Winky was in on it to a certain extend but proud to keep her (old) master's (family's) secrets. Everybody knew how protective Crouch was about his reputation.
Before anything was revealed I thought, and IMO Dumbledore may have thought something similar, that someone had blackmailed and later Imperiused (or subdued by other means) Crouch. Dumbledore would look at the old trials to find out what Crouch was threatened with and who (possibly one of Barty's old cronies whom Barty may have told family secrets) was behind it.

So when Dumbledore had Winky come to the questioning I think he had two reasons:Winky had to see what her secret keeping had led to. And she had a right to hear with her own ears the confession of the man, who (IMO Dumbledore knew that) had killed her beloved master. She may have had valuable information to fill the gaps in the impostors story, witch she would now, after her 'family' had died out, would disclose

This theory fits the facts as well. And to me it seems more likely than the theory that Dumbledore had guessed the whole Barty story

Since I've finished the final book (which is awesome), a few burning questions have been on my mind, inconsistencies and plot holes that are hard to answer:

1. It is said that Dumbledore beat Grindelwald in a DUEL and won the Elder Wand from him. How was that ever possible, if the Elder Wand is unbeatable in a duel?

2. Since Voldemort had Harry's blood in him, and the protection of Lilly Potter's sacrifice, how was it possible for him to die? Wouldn't the spell work on all of Harry's blood, even if it was in Voldemort himself?

3. After taking painstaking measures to protect their students from danger in the first 3 books, why did Hogwarts sponsor a competition that allowed Harry to fight killer dragons on school premises? Doesn't that go against their idea of protecting students from harm? I found that absurd...

Thanks,

Wahooka

Since I've finished the final book (which is awesome), a few burning questions have been on my mind, inconsistencies and plot holes that are hard to answer:

1. It is said that Dumbledore beat Grindelwald in a DUEL and won the Elder Wand from him. How was that ever possible, if the Elder Wand is unbeatable in a duel?
Apparently it wasn't unbeatable! ;) In all seriousness, I think as it is said in DH that the Three Brothers were exceptionally clever wizards who managed to create powerful objects--the legends surrounding the objects grew out of what could be seen from them. The Elder Wand was exceptionally powerful, but it wasn't infallible because it is still reliant on its master to a certain extent.
2. Since Voldemort had Harry's blood in him, and the protection of Lilly Potter's sacrifice, how was it possible for him to die? Wouldn't the spell work on all of Harry's blood, even if it was in Voldemort himself?
The blood protection isn't infallible, to my understanding. Harry still had the capacity to die (otherwise, why would people be so worried about his safety?), but he was immune to the touch of people who were filled with hate and didn't know love like Quirrel and Voldemort. By inheriting the blood protection, Voldemort could touch Harry, but he wasn't immune to dying.
3. After taking painstaking measures to protect their students from danger in the first 3 books, why did Hogwarts sponsor a competition that allowed Harry to fight killer dragons on school premises? Doesn't that go against their idea of protecting students from harm? I found that absurd...
I think that Dumbledore agreed to the competition because he has always been in favor of building magical ties and communication between other witches and wizards. The main purpose of the Triwizard Tournament (as Hermione explains it) is to build bonds within the magical community. Hogwarts was willing to allow the tournament to take place because there were also several new safety measures put in place that were supposed to protect the competitors from serious harm. (Although none of the protection ranged to masquerading Death Eaters...)

I have a question.

Isn't Dumbledore an excellent legillemens? Wouldn't he be able to read "moody's" mind? I understand that he could control his thoughts or be a really good occlumens but he would have to think something or let something slip. He couldn't go a whole 9 months without thinking about what he was doing. Dumbledore would have to catch something.

I have a question.

Isn't Dumbledore an excellent legillemens? Wouldn't he be able to read "moody's" mind? I understand that he could control his thoughts or be a really good occlumens but he would have to think something or let something slip. He couldn't go a whole 9 months without thinking about what he was doing. Dumbledore would have to catch something. That's a really good question and it does seem rather unbelievable that Dumbledore didn't figure out that Moody wasn't the real Moody, but someone else. But there were a couple of things that probably helped Barty out. Snape told Harry that you needed to be close to the person you were performing Legilimency on, close enough to look into their eyes. Harry and Draco both learned to avoid Snape's gaze when they didn't want him to read their minds. Fake Moody-Barty Crouch Jr may have used Occlumency on Dumbledore to block him, or he may have never looked directly at Dumbledore. Snape used Occlumency for years to prevent Voldemort from seeing the truth about him, so we know that it can be done.

wouldn't he have to look at Dumbledore at some point? How do you hold an entire conversation with your employer without looking at them? Wouldn't Dumbledore know that something was up when "moody" didn't look at him? They would have had to talk eventually wouldn't they?:lol:

This is all so confusing:lol:

wouldn't he have to look at Dumbledore at some point? How do you hold an entire conversation with your employer without looking at them? Wouldn't Dumbledore know that something was up when "moody" didn't look at him? They would have had to talk eventually wouldn't they?:lol:

This is all so confusing:lol: I don't think that Dumbledore uses Legilimency on people unless he really wants to see their thoughts. It is an invasion of privacy, in my opinion. And then it is likely that Dumbledore respected his teachers and never used Legilimency on them. He probably had no reason to think that Moody was anyone other than his old friend. Fake Moody was a pretty good teacher and did what Dumbledore asked him to do, so I think he didn't do anything that made him suspicious.

Moody performs Disillusionment Charm on Harry when the Advance Guard came to fetch Harry in OOTP.Wasn't the charm supposed to be detected by the ministry?That's how Harry got into trouble with Dobby's charm in Cos.Could it be possible that powerful wizards such as Moody are able to hide the trace of their magic?I dont think so,though:no:Even Voldemort had his traces in the cave.How did it happen then?

Moody performs Disillusionment Charm on Harry when the Advance Guard came to fetch Harry in OOTP.Wasn't the charm supposed to be detected by the ministry?That's how Harry got into trouble with Dobby's charm in Cos.Could it be possible that powerful wizards such as Moody are able to hide the trace of their magic?I dont think so,thoughEven Voldemort had his traces in the cave.How did it happen then? Dumbledore said that usually parents are supposed to control their underaged childrens magic. So IMO as long as an adult of age is present the underaged-magic-detection-bells at the ministry don't ring, but houseelves don't mean anything to the ministry.
And Moody wasn't doing anything illeagal at the time (even if someone did register), other adult magic at Privet drive: Arthur's magic in GoF and Dumbledore's magic in HBP wasn't noted by the ministry either.

1. It is said that Dumbledore beat Grindelwald in a DUEL and won the Elder Wand from him. How was that ever possible, if the Elder Wand is unbeatable in a duel?You may like to discuss that in the 'How did Dumbledore beat Grindelwald' (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=108930&page=1) thread

What I had deducted off Dumbledore's remark about the very topic, there is nothing such as underaged-magic-detection-bell.The only detectable thing is magic itself,regardless of the caster being underage or overage.They can only detect underage magic when the underage person is the only magical one in the vicinity,which is the case of Harry.Actually I am also confused about all these detection stuff refered in HBP and DH.Isn't there a contradiction between them?

What I had deducted off Dumbledore's remark about the very topic, there is nothing such as underaged-magic-detection-bell.The only detectable thing is magic itself,regardless of the caster being underage or overage.They can only detect underage magic when the underage person is the only magical one in the vicinity,which is the case of Harry.Actually I am also confused about all these detection stuff refered in HBP and DH.Isn't there a contradiction between them?

Yes, there is. We have discussed that in the Plot Holes (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=114635) thread. :)

What I had deducted off Dumbledore's remark about the very topic, there is nothing such as underaged-magic-detection-bell.The only detectable thing is magic itself,regardless of the caster being underage or overage.They can only detect underage magic when the underage person is the only magical one in the vicinity,which is the case of Harry.Actually I am also confused about all these detection stuff refered in HBP and DH.Isn't there a contradiction between them? :agree: I think there is some contradiction. It's been discussed a lot of times before and one can make it fit, but it takes a lot of ifs.
E.g. Lily wasn't punished for turning teacups into whatever during her holiday -> the law may have been changed in between or Petunia was lying; Tom killed his family while he was underaged -> The fact that Morfin lived at the other end of the village may have covered it etc.

We know the ministry can't track overaged wizards, so how would they know there is none in the vicinity? For it's not enough that no one lives near by or all the magic performed at Little Winging would have been investigated.

I have finished reading the Goblet of Fire again, and there’s this question in my mind that still remain unanswered... Can someone enlighten me, coz even if I read it again, I can’t still think of the answer...

It is the part after harry came back from the graveyard, the fake Moody took harry at the castle against Dumbledore’s order...
When the fake moody was about to curse harry, Dumbledore stunned him just in time...
Then he ordered McGonagall to fetch Sirius and bring him to his office while he ordered Snape to bring him veritaserum, and fetch Winky from the kitchen...
That time, Dumbledore already knew this is not the real Moody, but the impostor’s true identity was still unknown coz the polyjuice would still need a few minutes to wear off.
So how come he made Snape fetch Winky?? Why did he think that Winky should be there? What gave him the idea that this impostor was really Barty Crouch Jr.?
When he asked for Winky it only means that he already knw, but how?

Perhaps it was SUSPICION - as the song goes....:lol:

Seriously Albus was suspicious then and if not he should have been....

So how come he made Snape fetch Winky?? Why did he think that Winky should be there? What gave him the idea that this impostor was really Barty Crouch Jr.?
When he asked for Winky it only means that he already knw, but how?This question has been discussed at length from post #1335 onwards. We don't seem to have a definite answer. :)

Never mind - it's good speculating..... or guessing?

In Deathy Hallows, Malfoy Manner, page 383 Canadian HB edition:

Harry knew it; his scar was bursting with the pain of it, and he could feel Voldemort flying through the sky from far away, over a dark and stormy sea, and soon he would be close enough to Apparate to them, and Harry could see no way out.

How close does one have to be to Apparate? It sounds like Voldermort coming over the North Sea or the English Channel. Does he have to make landfall before he can Apparate? Could you Apparate anywhere within the UK? How did the Salem witches make it to the World Cup? I wouldn't fancy flying on a broom over the North Atlantic.

I was rereading DH, for who knows the number of times, and a question poped into my head. Why couldn't the DEs enter Grimmauld Place? If every order member was secret keepr in turns, why couldn't snape just tell them? and if Voldemort knew the trio was there, why didn't he told Snape to enter GP?

I was rereading DH, for who knows the number of times, and a question poped into my head. Why couldn't the DEs enter Grimmauld Place? If every order member was secret keepr in turns, why couldn't snape just tell them? and if Voldemort knew the trio was there, why didn't he told Snape to enter GP?
Snape was secretly on Dumbledore's side so no need for him to tell voldemort, then there was the tongue tying curse Moody set up which prevents him to enter the house or talk about it.

Snape was secretly on Dumbledore's side so no need for him to tell voldemort, then there was the tongue tying curse Moody set up which prevents him to enter the house or talk about it.

But after Moody dies, why does his curse continue to work? Dumbledore's body binding curse on Harry stops working as soon as Dumbledore dies.

But after Moody dies, why does his curse continue to work? Dumbledore's body binding curse on Harry stops working as soon as Dumbledore dies.
Some curses seem to be made to be permanent, while others disappear when the caster dies. I think curses pertaining to locations or things tend to be permanent, whereas ones on people may not be. Grimmauld Place was still protected by all of the enchantments Sirius's parents had put on the place even after they both passed. (More security precautions were taken when it became Order headquarters, but it was originally Unplottable among other things.)

Some curses seem to be made to be permanent, while others disappear when the caster dies. I think curses pertaining to locations or things tend to be permanent, whereas ones on people may not be. Grimmauld Place was still protected by all of the enchantments Sirius's parents had put on the place even after they both passed. (More security precautions were taken when it became Order headquarters, but it was originally Unplottable among other things.)I wonder if that's how Dumbledore knew Voldemort wasn't completely gone, because of the curse on the DADA job.

This question has been discussed at length from post #1335 onwards. We don't seem to have a definite answer. :)


oh i see...
he's a genius anyway, why did i asked in the first place...
maybe what im really trying to know is when did dumbledore starts to get the idea tha barty crouch jr, has something to do with this
anyway thanks:)

oh i see...
he's a genius anyway, why did i asked in the first place...
maybe what im really trying to know is when did dumbledore starts to get the idea tha barty crouch jr, has something to do with this
anyway thanks:) I don't think that Dumbledore suspected Moody until after Cedric was killed.
"Moody," Harry said. He was still in a state of complete disbelief. "How can it have been Moody?"

"This is not Alastor Moody," said Dumbledore quietly. "You have never known Alastor Moody. The real Moody would not have removed you from my sight after what happened tonight. The moment he took you, I knew - and I followed."

I don't think Dumbledore would have let Moody anywhere near Harry or the Maze if he had suspected Moody before the 3rd task of the TriWizard Tournament.

How close does one have to be to Apparate? It sounds like Voldermort coming over the North Sea or the English Channel. Does he have to make landfall before he can Apparate? Could you Apparate anywhere within the UK? How did the Salem witches make it to the World Cup? I wouldn't fancy flying on a broom over the North Atlantic.
In Quidditch Through the Ages it's explained that apparating long distances is extremely difficult and dangerous. So Voldemort probably didn't want to risk getting splinched, especially since he could fly on his own. He probably would have to hit land, since it would be extremely difficult to spin in place in mid-air or in the water.
The distance an individual could apparate would depend on their skill level. For example, Hermione was very good, so she would be able to apparate longer distances than Ron, who wasn't as skilled.
Also in Quidditch Through the Ages it's explained that while some adventurous witches and wizards crossed the Atlantic on brooms, most made the trip using muggle ships. The Salem witches probably travelled by ship or airplane to get to the World Cup. :)

Something I recently became curious of is why did Snape have to borrow the Pensieve from Dumbledore? In HBP we see that memories can be placed in bottles, so Snape could have done that with the memories that he didn't want Harry to see during their Occlumency lessons. It would have eliminated any possibility of Harry seeing any of his memories. Perhaps Snape wanted Harry to see the memory he did see to get an idea of the kind of person James Potter really was.

In Quidditch Through the Ages it's explained that apparating long distances is extremely difficult and dangerous. So Voldemort probably didn't want to risk getting splinched, especially since he could fly on his own. He probably would have to hit land, since it would be extremely difficult to spin in place in mid-air or in the water.
The distance an individual could apparate would depend on their skill level. For example, Hermione was very good, so she would be able to apparate longer distances than Ron, who wasn't as skilled.
Also in Quidditch Through the Ages it's explained that while some adventurous witches and wizards crossed the Atlantic on brooms, most made the trip using muggle ships. The Salem witches probably travelled by ship or airplane to get to the World Cup. :)

Oooh thanks, that explains a lot. I've been wondering about this, and it makes a lot of sense now.

I don't think that Dumbledore suspected Moody until after Cedric was killed.
"Moody," Harry said. He was still in a state of complete disbelief. "How can it have been Moody?"

"This is not Alastor Moody," said Dumbledore quietly. "You have never known Alastor Moody. The real Moody would not have removed you from my sight after what happened tonight. The moment he took you, I knew - and I followed."

I don't think Dumbledore would have let Moody anywhere near Harry or the Maze if he had suspected Moody before the 3rd task of the TriWizard Tournament.My guess would be that he had labored with a number of odd pieces in the puzzle for a time already, and the revelation that Moody wasn't Moody suddenly made those pieces fall into their places. But that's speculation too. :)

My guess would be that he had labored with a number of odd pieces in the puzzle for a time already, and the revelation that Moody wasn't Moody suddenly made those pieces fall into their places. But that's speculation too. :) Yes, there is no indication that BC Jr. deviated from expected Moody behaviour at all until this point. (I originally typed "normal," rather than "expected" and then realized it wasn't the best word to describe Moody)

Its been a while since I have read GoF but didn't Harry have a strange dream in the beginning of the book about seeing Wormtail and a stranger with Voldemort at The Riddle house? And didn't he tell Dumbledore about it or is my memory going wrong ? If I'm right that could be the start of Dumbledore's suspicions in GoF ?

twins:p

Its been a while since I have read GoF but didn't Harry have a strange dream in the beginning of the book about seeing Wormtail and a stranger with Voldemort at The Riddle house? And didn't he tell Dumbledore about it or is my memory going wrong ? If I'm right that could be the start of Dumbledore's suspicions in GoF ?

twins:p

That was how they presented it in the movie. In the book, it was only Voldemort and Wormtail - Frank Bryce eavesdropped on them, Nagini told Voldemort he was out there listening, and Voldemort killed him.

Dumbledore did not have any reason to be suspicious of Moody until after the third task when he took Harry away. Up to that point, Crouch Jr. had copied Moody's behavior perfectly. Once Dumbledore realized that Moody had taken Harry away, he knew that it was an impostor because the real Moody would not have taken Harry out of Dumbledore's sight in those circumstances.

Originally Posted by Colonel_Fubster
In Quidditch Through the Ages it's explained that apparating long distances is extremely difficult and dangerous. So Voldemort probably didn't want to risk getting splinched, especially since he could fly on his own.

Thanks for the explanation.

Originally Posted by Colonel_Fubster
The distance an individual could apparate would depend on their skill level. For example, Hermione was very good, so she would be able to apparate longer distances than Ron, who wasn't as skilled.

This reminds me of another question. How did Ron get splinched so badly in "The Muggle-Born Registration Committee"?

Here is where my question originates from:

Deathly Hallows, "Muggle-Born Registration Committee", page 320, CDN HB
"LET'S GO!" Harry yelled. He seized Hermione by the hand and Ron by the arm and turned on the spot.
....
And then he saw the door of number twelve, Grimmauld Place, with its serpent doorknocker, but before he could draw a breath there was a scream and a flash of purple light; Hermione's hand was suddenly vice-like upon his and everything went dark again".

From the description, isn't Harry doing the first bit of Apparating (dragging the other two along in side-long) and in the second Hermione doing the Apparating? In the next chapter, we find out that Ron was splinched on his left arm. Was Ron splinched because Harry had started to let go of him when the second side-long Apparation occured? Both Ron and Harry were completely unprepared for the second Apparation and had no idea where they were going. Without knowing one of the 3 D's (Destination) can one be in charge of the Apparation?

And did the splinching end up increasing Ron's angst? Not only would it have taken a physical toll on him (he lost enough blood to go into shock - loss of consciousness, grey, clammy skin, disorientated - that describes Class 4 of Haemorrhagic Shock (loss of greater than 40% of your blood). That's the last stage of shock before death) which would take him some time to recover from, but mentally as well. The locked could try to convince him that either he was "useless" because he messed up the Apparation (and was a drag on the quest) or his friends didn't care about him (they Apparated each other perfectly while badly injuring him. The locket would tell Ron that's because they didn't care about him). Of course, it was just an accident, but the locket doesn't get any mileage out of admitting that.

From the description, isn't Harry doing the first bit of Apparating (dragging the other two along in side-long) and in the second Hermione doing the Apparating? In the next chapter, we find out that Ron was splinched on his left arm. Was Ron splinched because Harry had started to let go of him when the second side-long Apparation occured? Both Ron and Harry were completely unprepared for the second Apparation and had no idea where they were going. Without knowing one of the 3 D's (Destination) can one be in charge of the Apparation?

And did the splinching end up increasing Ron's angst? Not only would it have taken a physical toll on him (he lost enough blood to go into shock - loss of consciousness, grey, clammy skin, disorientated - that describes Class 4 of Haemorrhagic Shock (loss of greater than 40% of your blood). That's the last stage of shock before death) which would take him some time to recover from, but mentally as well. The locked could try to convince him that either he was "useless" because he messed up the Apparation (and was a drag on the quest) or his friends didn't care about him (they Apparated each other perfectly while badly injuring him. The locket would tell Ron that's because they didn't care about him). Of course, it was just an accident, but the locket doesn't get any mileage out of admitting that.Good theory! In DH I often don't know if the trio apparates independently or if it's side along apparition and who is taking whom along.

Also in Quidditch Through the Ages it's explained that while some adventurous witches and wizards crossed the Atlantic on brooms, most made the trip using muggle ships. The Salem witches probably travelled by ship or airplane to get to the World Cup. I always thought they used one of the Portkeys specially set up for the World Cup.
Is there any hint that Portkey-travelling gets more difficult with a growing distance, or that it won't be possible over seas?

Something I recently became curious of is why did Snape have to borrow the Pensieve from Dumbledore? In HBP we see that memories can be placed in bottles, so Snape could have done that with the memories that he didn't want Harry to see during their Occlumency lessons. It would have eliminated any possibility of Harry seeing any of his memories. Perhaps Snape wanted Harry to see the memory he did see to get an idea of the kind of person James Potter really was.

Hmm, good question! My thought is that perhaps memories placed in bottles could not be returned to the owner as they can from a pensieve, due to a risk of contamination. We see that Dumbledore and Snape both return memories from the pensieve to themselves, but this raises the question: if a memory has been removed to be placed in a pensieve or bottle does this mean that the owner would have no recollection of the event the memory shows? Would Slughorn forget telling Tom Riddle about horcruxes because Harry took his memory? This doesn't seem right. So perhaps it's a question of intentions - whether you intend to put the memory in the pensieve or in a bottle. If you take a memory to put it in the pensieve, the whole memory is removed and put in the pensieve and there is no memory of the event in the owner's head - this means that the memory has to be replaced in the head after its use in the pensieve - but if you remove a memory with the intention of placing it in a bottle, only a replica of the memory is removed, so the owner can still recall the event, without the need for the memory to be replaced. This would explain why Snape had to put his memories in the pensieve - he wanted to remove the memory entirely from his head so that Harry wouldn't see it if he got intp his head. This is all a far-fetched theory though. :scared:I know this is all very confusing (I'm confused:hmm:). However, I don't think Snape wanted Harry to see the memory, judging by his reaction to Harry having seen it, and the pain we know that particular memory must have caused him.:)

However, I don't think Snape wanted Harry to see the memory, judging by his reaction to Harry having seen it, and the pain we know that particular memory must have caused him. But seeing them did cause Harry some pain, I'm not sure it wasn't worth it from Snape's point of view. Snape definitely hated how Harry idolized James, and Snape knew how Harry had been bullied. Harry would never take the side of the bully.
If Snape wanted to keep those memories private, why did he remove them in front of Harry?
Snape was good in hiding his secrets (if anyone ever was!). So why having that nosy, interfering young Potter see him remove the thoughts, he could have done it before Harry turned up, but the book mentions that he regularly did it in Harry's presents.
Why didn't he lock the pensive away? As Dumbledore said in GoF: It is bound to raise anyone's curiosity.
Why did he leave Harry alone with his secrets not once but twice? (first time when Trelawney was sacked)
It would have taken him less than minute to shoo Harry out of his office.
Even if he hadn't left him: He thought Harry had broken into his office at leas two times before, so that was not a good place to hide something
I find it extremely hard to believe that a man who could fool Voldemort for so long would act so stupidly.

I have finished reading the Goblet of Fire again, and there’s this question in my mind that still remain unanswered... Can someone enlighten me, coz even if I read it again, I can’t still think of the answer...

It is the part after harry came back from the graveyard, the fake Moody took harry at the castle against Dumbledore’s order...
When the fake moody was about to curse harry, Dumbledore stunned him just in time...
Then he ordered McGonagall to fetch Sirius and bring him to his office while he ordered Snape to bring him veritaserum, and fetch Winky from the kitchen...
That time, Dumbledore already knew this is not the real Moody, but the impostor’s true identity was still unknown coz the polyjuice would still need a few minutes to wear off.
So how come he made Snape fetch Winky?? Why did he think that Winky should be there? What gave him the idea that this impostor was really Barty Crouch Jr.?
When he asked for Winky it only means that he already knw, but how?


Aha, maybe Dumbledore used Legillemency then. If he knew that it was an imposter then maybe he no longer considered it an invasion of privacy.:p

I was just wondering how does Hagrid gets around throughout the series. As we've been told he is to big and heavy for some methods (broomsticks) and I forget if he said he wouldn't be able to ride a winged animal for the same reason but i would doubt he would be able too either. So how does he get from Hogwarts to Gringotts and stuff like that? My initial thought would be floo powder, but don't the Weasley's tell Harry to tuck in his elbows to make sure they don't hit fireplaces when he uses it? That would mean there is no way he could use it without getting stuck, and since he isn't really able to use magic, he can't really apparate so how do you think he gets around?

I think Hagrid does apparate sometimes and used Sirius motorbike other times. And then used public transport sometimes?

I was just wondering how does Hagrid gets around throughout the series. As we've been told he is to big and heavy for some methods (broomsticks) and I forget if he said he wouldn't be able to ride a winged animal for the same reason but i would doubt he would be able too either. So how does he get from Hogwarts to Gringotts and stuff like that? My initial thought would be floo powder, but don't the Weasley's tell Harry to tuck in his elbows to make sure they don't hit fireplaces when he uses it? That would mean there is no way he could use it without getting stuck, and since he isn't really able to use magic, he can't really apparate so how do you think he gets around?

It is possible that when he was on Hogwarts business that he was given a Port Key by Dumbledore to help him get around .
Although I don't believe we have ever been given a users guide to how the Floo system works .
I think that with the Floo system, the Floo expands just enough to fit the user, so I think its possible that Hagrid could use the floo system too.

Hang on, if Hagrid was expelled in his third year how would he know how to apparate? He could have been taught by dumbledore i guess. But where would Dumbledore teach him? In hogsmeade? That would be taking a big risk. What if someone from the ministry of magic had seen them?

That would leave portkey, Floo powder, and sirius's motorbike as Hagrids primary methods of transportation

However now he was proved innocent there is no reason not to teach him some more useful advanced magic would there? After all he still had his wand hidden in his umbrella (in the first book) when he wasn't supposed to - before they found out it wasn't him that opened the Chamber in the second book and it seems he got up to London fairly regularly to buy things in and around Diagon Alley area and also go to Gringotts for Albus. Perhaps he squashed himself onto the Hogwart's Express on the odd occasion?

Hang on, if Hagrid was expelled in his third year how would he know how to apparate? He could have been taught by dumbledore i guess. But where would Dumbledore teach him? In hogsmeade? That would be taking a big risk. What if someone from the ministry of magic had seen them?

That would leave portkey, Floo powder, and sirius's motorbike as Hagrids primary methods of transportation

Actually, it is implied in PS/SS that Hagrid does know how to apparate. After he takes Harry to buy his school supplies and gives him his ticket, he puts him on the train to go back to the Dursleys. Harry turns to watch him leave, but Hagrid had disappeared.

He could have used a portkey there as well, but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that Hagrid knew how to apparate. We see in HBP, that Dumbledore was able to lift the anti-apparition jinx in a specific area - the Great Hall - for the students to learn how to apparate and practice. He could have easily done the same thing for Hagrid - lifting the anti-apparition jinx in an empty classroom and teaching Hagrid how to apparate himself. I always had the impression that Dumbledore had continued Hagrid's education as best he could because he knew Hagrid was innocent.

Of course, Hagrid would still have to be careful about it if he did know how to apparate because he would not have been able to get a license. He wasn't supposed to do magic at all because he was expelled so he had to be careful not to get caught.

I also that in PS Hagrid disaparated, on the other hand he was storm tossed when he ariven on the island.
To me wizard aparition is like car driving for muggles, you need a licence but you don't need school degrees nor a cleared criminal record.
And while Hogwarts students get instruction the test is ministry and not school business
Hagrid isn't doing well when he uses spells, but remember when Ron's wand was damaged? It seems it's very hard to do magic with a broken wand and I don't recall ever seeing Hagrid with an intact one.
That leaves the question if you need a wand to aparate and if the fact that his wand is broken would make it more difficult for him. In DH it seems that you need to have a wand, but we can't be sure, and it's possible that Jo did not think about Hagrid when she introduced that idea.

And Hagrid could definitly use the Knight Bus.

Portkeys need ministry permission, I don't think Dumbledore would apply for one, or set up illegal portkeys anytime Hagrid want's to get somewhere.

I think that with the Floo system, the Floo expands just enough to fit the user, so I think its possible that Hagrid could use the floo system too. :agree: That sounds good! Afterall plump Mrs Weasely, and the twins with Harry's trunk got through but skinny Harry had to be careful. IMO you mustn't have anything stick out while flooing, because you might get hurt, not stuck.

I was just wondering how does Hagrid gets around throughout the series. As we've been told he is to big and heavy for some methods (broomsticks) and I forget if he said he wouldn't be able to ride a winged animal for the same reason but i would doubt he would be able too either. So how does he get from Hogwarts to Gringotts and stuff like that? My initial thought would be floo powder, but don't the Weasley's tell Harry to tuck in his elbows to make sure they don't hit fireplaces when he uses it? That would mean there is no way he could use it without getting stuck, and since he isn't really able to use magic, he can't really apparate so how do you think he gets around?Thestrals?

There's 70 pages that I am unable to read thru so I hope that I'm not asking a question that someone else has asked (and has already been answered).

My question is - if you aren't allowed to apparate/disapparate in/out of Hogwarts, why wouldn't the MOM have the same type of protection? I don't recall them apparating into the department of mysteries in the book, but the movie is rather misleading that way. Any thoughts?

The Ministry of Magic had to accommodate workers coming from all over Britain. Some used Floo Powder and plausibly other modes of transportation, but the most common method to get to work was to Apparate:
...the tinkling of falling water was added to the pops and cracks of Apparators and the clatter of footsteps...
Thus, the Ministry chose not to bar Apparition, like Hogwarts. Otherwise, it would become much more inconvenient, as we see in DH (where the Ministry workers had to enter the building through the public restrooms).

We do not know exactly how the Order members arrived at the Department of Mysteries, though we can assume they Apparated, at least, to the Ministry of Magic (and even, perhaps, the correct floor). All we know is, "two more doors burst open and five more people sprinted into the room: Sirius, Lupin, Moody, Tonks, and Kingsley" (Ch. 35). However, this does not disprove the possibility that they could Apparate into the Department of Mysteries.

We do know that wizards can Apparate out of the Department of Mysteries, since Dumbledore placed an Anti-Disapparation Jinx on the Death Eaters, so they could not Disapparate from the Death Chamber.

All through the series, it is implied that Snape wants the DADA job, but Dumbledore wouldn't give it to him. Of course, Snape never says this in so many words, but he does finally receive the position in HBP. Does Snape know about the curse on the job?

All through the series, it is implied that Snape wants the DADA job, but Dumbledore wouldn't give it to him. Of course, Snape never says this in so many words, but he does finally receive the position in HBP. Does Snape know about the curse on the job?
I believe both Dumbledore and Snape knew about the curse on the job. I think Snape would have preferred to teach DADA the whole time but knew it wasn't possible until they were sure Voldemort was really moving and their time was almost up. I think some of the annoyance Snape shows about not getting his way in that is feigned for the sake of the DE kids--maintaining his cover--though obviously not all of it :lol:

In DH the Dursley's leave Privet Drive and Petunia is the last one out and is about to say something else to Harry but doesn't. Do we know what she was going to say? Did Jo every say this in an interview what it was?

If I remember correctly, Jo said that Petunia was going to say Good luck for his journey ahead but couldn't...

According to JKR's post-DH web chat (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/7/30/j-k-rowling-web-chat-transcript):
Karin: What did petunia wanted to say to hary at the end of the dursleys departing

J.K. Rowling: I think that for one moment she trembled on the verge of wishing Harry luck; that she almost acknowledged that her loathing of his world, and of him, was born out of jealousy.

J.K. Rowling: But she couldn’t do it; years of pretending that ‘normal’ was best had hardened her too much.

If I remember correctly, Jo said that Petunia was going to say Good luck for his journey ahead but couldn't...

According to JKR's post-DH web chat (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/7/30/j-k-rowling-web-chat-transcript):
Karin: What did petunia wanted to say to hary at the end of the dursleys departing

J.K. Rowling: I think that for one moment she trembled on the verge of wishing Harry luck; that she almost acknowledged that her loathing of his world, and of him, was born out of jealousy.

J.K. Rowling: But she couldn’t do it; years of pretending that ‘normal’ was best had hardened her too much.

Thank you!! :)

How did the Students get to Hogwarts all those centuries before the Steam Train was invented in the 1800's? On horseback or in coaches? And from where? What was at Kings Cross Station before it became a Railway Station? A coach terminus?