Harry as Head Boy

Well, if you consider that James was not a prefect yet managed to get the nomination for Head Boy, Harry might have a chance at it as well. (By the way, speculation whether or not a non-prefect can get a Head boy/girl badge can be located HERE (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11255&highlight=Harry+as+head+boy) in a dangerously closely related thread.)

Anyways, taking all that in plus the range of Harry's accomplishments and faults, do you think he has a chance of being Head Boy? As for me I think his chance is quite good. After all, in his grade hardly anybody comes close to his doings and when measured up to his own father, a head boy, Harry still shines bright. Plus the fact that he has done more services to the school than anybody else whoever attended Hogwarts. Having been denied the honor of being a prefect, I certainly hope Harry is given the even greater acknowledgment of Head Boy. Considering all he's been through he really deserves it. What do you think?

I think he has a very good chance... Dumbldore admitted that he didn't make Harry prefect just because he didn't want to put even more responsibilty on him, but I don't think that'll be a problem again...

I think hes probably got a good chance as well. The only thing that comes to mind is..we don't know whats going to happenin book 6..the war with voldemort is probably going to be started by then, and knowing Harry has to be the one to defeat him..hes probably got alot more to think about now than if hes going to be headboy. Judging from his reaction to not becoming a prefect, I have no doubt he would /want/ the responibilty. But as i've said, he may be preoccupied with other things.

I think it would be great if he were to become Headboy, but I also think Ron would be a good canidate as well. Hes really not recongized as much and its nice for some things like this to happen to him. Plus I don't think theres any doubt Hermione will be Headgirl, they could use some one on one time if you ask me ^.^

It all depends on whose control Hogwarts is under during the 7th year...if someone like Umbridge was controlling Hogwarts, Malfoy would easily be headboy. Assuming Dumbledore is still headmaster, I think he might choose Harry if the situation allows Harry time to have the extra responsibility. If not, I'd say Ron's got the position easily.

I don't want Harry to be Head Boy! It's just too much. I was really glad when ROn became prefect instead of him. At least no Ron has some time in the spotlight too. I know the book is about Harry Potter, but other people deserve some credit too. And it's not like the whole school is centered around Harry.

I don't want Harry to be Head Boy! It's just too much. I was really glad when ROn became prefect instead of him. At least no Ron has some time in the spotlight too. I know the book is about Harry Potter, but other people deserve some credit too. And it's not like the whole school is centered around Harry.

Yes, I see what you mean but don't you think Harry deserves it? Think of what he has had to go through and what he is going to have to go through. In example, he'll have to to fight Voldemort and have to kill him or be killed! Personally, I think that this kid needs all the plus's he can get! (fairly of course) Being head boy will certainly give him the leverage of bad things to good that will desperately be needed by Harry when the seventh book comes around. Given, other people do need some credit too but I think that Harry deserves it more than anybody else because of what he's done for the school. Oh well, that's my interpretation but I do see what you mean :)

Guess we'll find out in about 4 years though!

Originally posted by vickygirl4 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=396918#post396918))
And it's not like the whole school is centered around Harry.


Sometimes it is...

All I have to say is Harrys going to be Head boy lalalalalala! HEHE No but seriously! I think he has a great chance hes had sooo many things happen to him he saved ginny form COS and defeated the Basilisk and got a medal for that! And like everyones said he didnt get prefect cause DD thought he was already busy with alot of other things. To much stress. But I think Harry will get HB! I hope he gets Quidd Cap too!

I think that that would be way too much for Harry. Yes, I agree that he deserves it very much for his services to the school, but now at least, Harry knows that if he doesn't get the position for Head Boy, its because there's a madman and his followers who want to kill him, and Dumbledore thinks that he doesn't deserve any more of a burden than that. Do you really think he would want it (or care) now that all this has happened to him? Maybe Quidditch Captain, but not Head Boy....that would be too much...

If saying the world on multiple occasions doesn't qualify you to become head boy, nothing does. Besides, puttin Ron in the spotlight just because he's never in the spotlight is stupid. It's like giving an insane person a knife just because he's never been allowed to use sharp things before. There's a reason he wasn't...

After all that Harry's done for the school and its inhabitants (not to mention all of the wizarding world), I think he deserves to be Head Boy. I mean, he practically saved the school from being shut down in his second year, he alerted everyone to Voldemort's return in his fourth - like Raistlin Majere said, if saving the world on multiple occasions doesn't qualify him, nothing does.

I thought that Head Boy and Head Girl were the people who got the highest grades, not the people who saved the world the most times. But maybe I'm wrong and they're chosen for a different reason. I think he deserves it, but it depends on how they are chosen. I think Hermione is easily Head Girl (obviously).

Being selected as Head Boy or Head Girl is based alot on leadership skills as well as high grades and school service. Harry has obviously showed that he is capable of inspiring and leading the other students.
I would however like to see Ron get Quidditch captain, as either that or head boy was his inner most dream in the mirror.

Originally posted by vickygirl4 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=396918#post396918))
I don't want Harry to be Head Boy! It's just too much. I was really glad when ROn became prefect instead of him. At least no Ron has some time in the spotlight too. I know the book is about Harry Potter, but other people deserve some credit too. And it's not like the whole school is centered around Harry.


I agree with you here. I was very happy that Harry didn't get Prefect and if were JKR I wouldn't give him Head boy either. It's not about deserving this. Harry has done a lot of things that for being special he has gotten away with. Other students may have not been that lucky. I think not getting it was a very good lesson for Harry. He needs to understand that even though he saved a couple of people it doesn't meand that everything should be handle to him. The only thing that it will do is boost his ego to no end. I think Ron should be the H.B. Harry will have other satisfying things in his life.

Gily Ann

Ron as Quidd captin NO WAY!! Ron is a sticker at quidditch! He might be ok at practice but he sucks under pressure Harry Deserves Quidd Capt and head boy! And if he dosnt get at least one of those Ill be angry and shocked! Ron isnt that great of anything hes cool and all but he shouldnt have been prefect and he knows it!

Harry has to Kill or be Killed and all kind of things, if it was too much in Dumbldore's opinion for him to be Prefect then I think Head Boy will be way to much. I'd be a bit p'ed off if she did it. It's nice to others get attention AKA Ron being Prefect. Harry gets enough.

I think Ron will be good as a prefect. It will let him mature as a character. Harry was obvious choice but he wasnt given it because DD knew that he would have enough on his plate that year without having to control the masses at his school. I think DD made the right choice. If Harry was made headboy then he would have so much to do he wouldnt be able to cope with it. Thats what i think anyway.

I think Ron is toast personally. His becoming prefect and being responsible for the Gryffindor Quidditch cup is eerily close to being HB and winning it as Capt without actually having him become HB and Q Capt.

Then for those that follow the "Ron is an unknowing seer" theory. . (ie his joking/sarcastic one off remarks that have a habit of coming true) He pretty much predicted his own death after the divination Practical. "And from now on I don't care if my tea leaves spell out die, Ron,die. I'm chucking them in the bin where they belong"

On a related note Abby posted a wonderful explanation of the British Public School System on the Psychic Serpent yahoo group(for some reason they refer to private schools as public schools across the pond? I don't know why). I asked her for permission to repost it because I was butchering it trying to paraphrase


In Harry's world you have three years of "senior" school in 5th year
they take O .W.L.s (GCSE) and then in 6th and 7th year they prepare
for N.E.W.T.s (A- Levels). The way McGonagall describes NEWTS in the
book i.e. you have to be accepted on your grades etc. leads me to
believe that JKR is following almost exactly the British Public
school system (private schools for you in the States-don't ask).Also
this is how come Fred and George can just up and leave, and why they
are talking to the 5th years about their NEWT subjects. You don't
have to take A-Levels/NEWTS only if you want to study further. (Auror
Training etc.)

So anyway, how this relates to the prefect system... Who becomes head
boy/girl is NOT related to the prefect system. As explained above, it
is common for people not to carry on to A-Level studies and so
prefects are chosen afresh every year. OK people who are prefects,
usually get re-chosen because they are clever/good at sports.
Prefects have completely different duties to head boy/girl. So the
Head boy/girl, while being in charge of the prefects, is not
necessarily one themselves. The head boy/girls role is to help the
headmaster with the running of the school.... read anything into that
you like! While the prefects role is to help oversee the students in
different houses, years (grades) etc.

This means, it is perfectly plausible that Harry will become Head
Boy, especially since he and DD already have such a good
relationship. Same with James. Also remember that Head Boy is head of
all houses/prefects - a more neutral role. I guess that Hermoine and
Ron will remain the prefects for their year, unless Ron really didn't
suit prefectship/did badly on his OWLS, then in 6th year someone else
may be chosen in his place..

I read this to mean that Ron can be a prefect in 7th year and still have Harry be Head Boy. Since one is over the school and one is over the House.


dumbledore2905:

Ron as Quidd captin NO WAY!! Ron is a sticker at quidditch! He might be ok at practice but he sucks under pressure Harry Deserves Quidd Capt and head boy! And if he dosnt get at least one of those Ill be angry and shocked! Ron isnt that great of anything hes cool and all but he shouldnt have been prefect and he knows it!

I really wouldn't be surprised if Ron withdrew from it. He didn't seem to be enjoying it too much .. he let hermione do the difficult stuff. . controlling the twins. . .confiscating "brain potions" (while they were trying to buy one)

I expect Harry to be Head Boy. Then again, I expected for him to be Prefect and was very ticked off that Ron got the position instead. He didn't deserve it. And I was rather happy to know that Dumbledore only gave it to him because he didn't want Harry to have much responsibility. Although, I didn't see what responsibility Ron and Hermione had at all. :whistle: And will be expecting for Dumbledore to give Harry a chance and prove he can handle a multitude of responsibility and give him a Prefect Badge in 6th Year. (I know it's wishful thinking!)

Edit: By the way, it's unfair of Dumbledore to have underestimated Harry by not giving Harry a chance to prove himself. And he knows it, that's why he cried.

I don't know...I would LOVE to think of Harry and Hermione as head boy and girl, Hermione is very likely (yay) but I dunno...If DD didn't want to make him a prefect because he thought harry's had too many burdons already, he might not wanna make him a HB beause that's an even bigger job.

Harry shouldn't get HB because he's on good terms with Dumbledore or because he's done good deeds for the school. That's ridiculous. I don't think Ron should get it either, because he wasn't even responsible when it came to his Prefect duties. I would much prefer it if Head Boy was some character who isn't showcased a lot throughout the books. Why should everything happen to Harry, Ron, and Hermione? It's unrealistic.

Originally posted by FredRocksMySocks (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=437995#post437995))
I don't know...I would LOVE to think of Harry and Hermione as head boy and girl, Hermione is very likely (yay) but I dunno...If DD didn't want to make him a prefect because he thought harry's had too many burdons already, he might not wanna make him a HB beause that's an even bigger job.


According to JKR that will he had tons of burdens in this book it is also the worst for him and that:

I will say that I think he has the hardest time in this book because although there are some scary things coming for Harry, in this book no one believes him and also he’s a teenager, so to have those two burdens in life at once is quite horrible, but from now on at least everybody knows he’s been telling the truth so whatever he has to face, he doesn’t have to deal with everyone being so mistrustful of him.

That's lifts a huge burden off his shoulders right there.

another year to pass before head boy is decided means that a fair few things could occur during book 6 that will sway certain people towards the humungis bighead position :D. I think Ron has some leadership qualities to him once he grows up a little and becomes less self-consious. Harry i think understands his situation and the decisions to lower his growing responsibilities by Dumbledore. There are other candidites, maybe unlikely but still, Ernie McMillian of Hufflepuff, has the right attitude.

No doubt that Harry deserves HB from his services and his character, the respect he carries too, but its probably too much of an ask for him and i think he'd be greatful to be allowed to focus on his prophised future.

I don't think Harry should get HB position. Sure he deserves it, but he's already got enough to deal,without being HB too. It could be Ron I guess, but he didn't really live up to his Prefect duties did he? Hermione would be perfect for HG! :clappy:

for some reason they refer to private schools as public schools

Erm, I don't know why she said that but we don't call private schools public schools. A public school is where any body is accepted to join (and are free). Whereas a private school is where only certain people are allowed to go there (You have to pay to join most (Maybe even all) private schools). Just thought I'd clear that up :D.

I think Harry will get a good number of O.W.Ls which will secure his place as Head Boy over Ron.

But there are two more years left, does he need be Head Boy both years?

I don't really see Harry being a Prefect in his sixth year. I thought prefect status was reserved for 5th year. Then again wasn't Percy a prefect in his sixth year?

Okay now I will resume reading all other posts

:)

Oh and aren't there other students in Gryfindor who'd make good HB's and Prefects? Such as Dean.

I honestly want Harry to become Head Boy, because he has done far more services for the school than anyone. While he has received help from friends and other sources, he is the one ultimately who risks his own life to save others. I do think that Harry plays the part of a hero, but I do not agree with Hermione when she said in the book that he has a love for it. Harry is a hero because he is so brave and willing to do the tasks, and that is what makes him a true Gryffindor.

Someone mentioned before that Harry gets away with a lot, and yes it is true, but look at what he has to go through! His parents are dead and he is the one responsible for killing Voldemort, or he might even be killed. All that responsibility, I can understand why he gets away with it. Imagine having all the weight on your shoulders, knowing that you are going to have to be the one to save yourself and the rest of the world from the most evil wizard around. Dumbledore has such faith in him and is extremely proud of him, and he knows that Harry will fight the better battle when it comes to facing Voldemort. Harry risks himself for others. He risked his own life to take Cedric's body back to the castle, he put himself in danger of being killed by the Basilik and saved Ginny, he saved Sirius, an innocent man in PoA, and he once again risked himself to retrieve the Sorceror's Stone before Voldemort got to it and came back to power.

I'm glad Harry wasn't made prefect, because his fifth year was honestly too hard for him and he had so much responsibilities to cope with and Ron does deserve a LOT of credit too, but I think if he is made Head Boy he will fully deserve it. Then he will be able to even help Dumbledore, which is probably one of the best aides he can ask for. I don't think Harry has received so much recognition in the school for doing what he has done, especially if you look at all the negative criticisms he got in the fourth and fifth book. Harry needs to know he is a hero, and that everyone else thinks he is too.

And for Quidditch Captain, I think Harry truly deserves that too, because he has the most talent in Quidditch out of all the other teammates, but I think if he is elected as Head Boy, someone else should take the position, like Ginny, since she is really good too.

Harry will be offered Head Boy and turn it down. He will have a heck of a lot to deal with going into year seven and be of a maturity level where he knows the extra duties are to much. besides, at the end of the year he will be know as 'the man who killed Voldemort' so no one would notice the Head Boy title anyhow.

You don't become Head Boy because you've done services for the school. . I think the reason Dumbledore didn't make Harry prefect will still apply here. Harry really does have to much to deal with- book 7 is when he'll kill Voldemort, isn't that enough? It's not like he doesn't deserve it, but he has enough problems as it is. Besides, Harry doesn't need to be Head Boy to protect the school; he's been doing it since he's eleven.

I would love to see Ron as Head Boy; I think Ron needs to develop authority and a voice of his own, without going along with whatever Harry does or his brothers. His position as prefect is a start for that, but I think Head Boy would really develop his character. Unless of course, he dies in book 7 (as I think he will), so in that case, will Ronnie get his heart's desire before he dies?

Whoever it is, JKR will make it exactly the opposite of what we think. Who honestly thought Ron would be prefect? How many of us thought Harry would be? My point exactly.

"I agree with you here. I was very happy that Harry didn't get Prefect and if were JKR I wouldn't give him Head boy either. It's not about deserving this. Harry has done a lot of things that for being special he has gotten away with. Other students may have not been that lucky. I think not getting it was a very good lesson for Harry. He needs to understand that even though he saved a couple of people it doesn't meand that everything should be handle to him. The only thing that it will do is boost his ego to no end. I think Ron should be the H.B. Harry will have other satisfying things in his life. "

I think this is not very legitimate. The head boy has to handle a great amount of responsibility, and it absolutely should be Harry. Ron could not even tell off his brothers when he had to. Harry is going to be tantamount to saving a lot of lives, and he already has. Considering how much he has accomplished, I dont think being H B will go to his head. Take out of context how much Harry has to deal with, and realize that he is the best for the job and that is what matters. I don't think Harry would ever take advantage of his position or hold it over anyone, even Malfoy, that is what makes him great for the job. Even when he has selfish thoughts, he is constantly guilty about them.

I don't think it's that likely for Harry to be head boy. He struggled a little academic that year because of all the tragedy he had to endure. Head boy will offer him so many more responsibilities, his NEWTS will come up, and of course V will attempt many attempts to save his own skin by defeating Harry. Even though the book is shown through Harry's eyes, the school is not always entirely centered on him. I think it will be a relief for Harry in a way, as there will be less atention drawn towards him, which he now despises.

I agree with kfingers. Ron doesn't know how to tell off his brothers, how is he going to be able to handle the responsibility of being a Head Boy? Harry knows how to handle responsibility since he has shown it so often. Being a Head Boy will not go to his head and enlarge his ego. In fact, I think it will only just make him feel better, especially after all the constant negative criticism he received from the Daily Post and the hatred from the Slytherins and even other students from certain houses, and the fact that Umbridge kept reprimanding him for supposedly telling lies. Harry has only helped the school, and after everything he does, he just gets more negativity directed towards him. Being Head Boy will give Harry a sense of accomplishment, something that he probably has not experienced with all the crude remarks made about him that he hears. I mean, the first day he got back to Hogwarts in OoTP his roommate Seamus even told him he was out of his mind and didn't believe him. Imagine how it must have made Harry feel? He must have felt like what he did was worthless! And imagine the feeling of rejection he had when not becoming a prefect? It was for his better being, seeing he had so much to go through in his fifth year, but imagine how he must have felt. He must have thought everything he did was worth nothing to Dumbledore.

Appointing Harry as Head Boy would just make Harry feel like he did something good. And it is services to the school that make someone a worthy candidate for Head Boy/ Head Girl, seeing they are the ones to help Dumbledore with running the school.

I agree with Firebolt on some level, that it would be good for harry's esteem, and making him feel worthy and it would be good for the school, as well...but I just don't know if DD is willing. I mean, like I said before, if he wouldn't make harry a prefect, cause he was worried about the already enlarged presence of struggles he's have to endure in his 5th year, can you really see DD giving him even more of a responsibility than he already has in his most important year (NEWTS!) and when we know the S*** will hit the fan with Voldie? I don't think it's practical. That's not to say I wouldn't want it to happen, or that it isn't likely...I just thing it wouldn't make sense if we follow past precendence.

I would like to see Harry become Head Boy and think he has a very good chance at it. We hear alot about how good Hermione is in her classes, but a boy is never mentioned. I assume Harry is about where most all the other boys are as far as his grades. Guess we will have to wait and find out how he did on his OWLS. He has done many great services to the school though, as people have mentioned.
;D

I really don't see how Harry has a better chance than Ron at being Head Boy. I think they have a 50-50 shot at it. I mean Hermione will be Head Girl, hands down - but I won't be suprised either way if it's Harry or Ron. Both deserve it. Harry knows himself that him and Ron are neck and neck when it comes to marks. Also, any way you look at it, Harry would never have beaten Voldemort most of the times if it hadn't been for Ron. It's just the way it happened that Harry was the only one left to fight Voldemort in the first and second book. I would love to see Harry as Head Boy, but at the same time - Ron deserves to have some time in the spotlight as well...

I'm all for Ron in the spotlight, even though it does tend to make him a bit heady and annoying, and I think he might be chosen over Harry for HB, but I agree they're probably neck and neck...still...I don't know if harry will get it...I just don't know.

I think Harry is a stronger character than Ron, not in all ways, but he has shown abilities that are off the charts. Things you would expect from a Dumbledore or a James Potter, and yes a Tom Riddle. I dont think Ron really has, not to say that he wont, its just Ron doesn't seem to offer a whole lot as a leader, where as Harry has proven to be quite a leader. At the end of OotP, friends followed him into possible death b/c of a dream he had. I don't know, but I think a head boy should be a clear cut leader.

K, I see your point and agree with you about Harry being a stronger character (through experiences he has gone through and ron hasn't--no fault of rons) but I don't think that the possibility that harry will get it over ron is that much greater. both of them being head boys have their drawbacks, and though head boy should be a leader, I think either one would probably rise to the occasion. When ron isn't overshadowed by Harry, he is usually pretty good at being a leader and standing up for himself.

i think ron would more likely to be head boy, hasnt dumbledore already made the point that harry has to much responsibility as it is?...why would he put more on him...Ya just never know really..=D

maybe we're totally off track and somebody terrible like malfoy will be head boy. hey! you never know what JKR could spring on us!

You know, when you get right down to it, Ron has made a ton of contributions to Hogwarts...its just that his contributions have always been overshadowed by Harry's.
Year One: sacrificed himself in the chess game so Harry and Hermione could go on.
Year Two: Helped to piece the clues together that led to the location of the Baskalisk.
Year Three: Broke his leg, so he couldn't make any major contribution, but when it looked like Black was going to kill Harry, Ron was there saying that Sirius would have to kill him too.
Year Four: served as punching bag, when Harry was learning curses for the TriWizard Tournament.
Year Five: Became Prefect and Keeper.
Whenever Harry had one of his visions, it was Ron who was there to help, if possible.
When Harry went to the Department of Mysteries, Ron was right there.

Next year ought to be interesting. With the Weasley Twins gone, I expect Ron to develop a lot more.

Originally posted by FredRocksMySocks (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=438663#post438663))
I don't know if DD is willing. I mean, like I said before, if he wouldn't make harry a prefect, cause he was worried about the already enlarged presence of struggles he's have to endure in his 5th yearI'm thinking DD will be willing when the time comes. Harry no longer would have the bulk of the burdens he had weighing down on him in OotP. Everyone believes him now and are fighting by his side. Harry still has a considerable amount of pressure from being on the top of Voldie's hit list, but he's no where near as alone as he'd been in OotP. DD making Harry HB would also sort of make up for not making him prefect as DD had wanted to do in book 5. It would also be that "vote of confidence" (I believe it was Kingsley who mentioned) that DD would be giving him that people had thought DD would give him in OotP.

The HB position would also give Harry a set of normal responsabilities for once, perhaps distract him a little from his tumultuous destiny outside of Hogwarts. I feel Harry is already more than qualified for HB (He's already a teacher and mentor. Being the head of Dumbledore's Army is evidence of that, but Harry has also always been the sort of unspoken leader in the trio as well). Which of the younger students would disobey the HB that has survived five different attacks by Voldemort?

Although I don't think Harry gaining the HB position is really about academics, school achivements or even Hogwarts anymore really. The whole environment of the wizarding world has drastically changed after OotP. Harry will probably become a symbol of hope in a time of war not only for the students, but outside of Hogwarts as well. Harry is living proof Voldemort is not invincible. He can be defeated. Harry never has wanted to be seen as a hero, but I do think he will reluctantly accept that people do look up to him (He's started to accept it all through the books. His taking on teaching the DA was just the first major step). It's still a burden on him (which keeps him from being big-headed about it) - but unfortunately I do think the way people perceive him is unavoidable whether he's HB or not. I think DD would realize that. Harry is a hero and who better for the younger students to look up to then a hero? A symbol of hope to fight for and win? Harry being HB would also, IMO, be an inspiration for him to continue fighting on as well. Being HB wouldn't only strengthen his natural leadership skills, but he would be in a position where students can go to him for help or guidance. Harry would perpetually see first hand the reasons why he needs to stay strong and keep fighting Voldemort.... Not just to survive, but it's also for that next generation. Stay strong and fight for them. To keep hope alive in the wizarding world and those who will inherit it. However... this leads to another problem...

One could say that, due to Harry's recklessness, perhaps he isn't a good role model for other students. You might be right, but then Harry certainly hasn't gotten off scott free when it comes to Voldemort either. Harry has lost his parents, Sirius and had to watch Cedric die. These terrible things would also be a warning for the students. Harry being made HB *might* also be DD's attempt to try and keep Harry from being so reckless. Harry would know the younger students are looking up to him and I don't think he'd want their blood on his hands by championing some sort of "shoot first, ask questions later" mantra into them all. He knows how bad the battle can be and he'd make sure they all know exactly how bad it can be. It all goes back to Harry being a good teacher and natural leader.

i think we forget that Hermione's gonna be shouldering whatever Harry doesnt take on if he does get Head Boy just as she did with Ron. Not that it's good to put it off on her and add to her level of stress but she has a tendency to pick up slack for others like Neville in Potions and Ron in enforcing things with Fred and George...she'll have Harry's back if he's gotta do some spur of the moment thing but the thing is i'm not so sure they'd be doing anything more than openly doing what they do already as far as working with Dumbledore...i think it'll be school-sanctioned and therefore more blatant. Harry and Hermione will have so much more access and could probably go wherever the heck they want in the school at whatever hour and no one writes them up for it b/c they're allowed, see?

we noticed when Harry wasnt with Ron and Hermione due to prefect duties right? Harry mentions the times when he gets left behind, much to his dismay, b/c they're patrolling corridors and it seems like Ron's not exactly busy with being a prefect but with 5th year stuff and hidden Quidditch training and helping Harry with things....there's alot of things Harry doesnt mention til he gets to them b/c we operate from his POV and that doesnt always include the fainting from O.W.L.s and prefects meeting in the special car on the Hogwarts Express. Being that he's always with Ron and Hermione and mentally rants everytime they have to split to fulfill their duties i figure we see that being a prefect is hard in that other students can potentially be pains in the arse and there's alot of interaction with 'the masses' but Harry isn't having to do that really is he as HB? the prefects would still be doing that and working with the HG/HB like some sort of management system if i understand the British system correctly, a kind of delegation of authority if u will...can someone give us some sort of idea of exactly which stresses are unique to Prefect vs Head Boy/Girl, kind of a list or something? tell us what the HB/HG would absolutely not bother with unless the Prefects screwed up? i had another huge point to make but i just cant remember and i've already rambled too much :sorry:

PS. if Hermione's bumped up, what do u think of Ginny getting Prefect? that would raise her role and get her working with Harry more should he be Head Boy, and also further raise the Weasley family profile plotwise..is this discussion better off in a new thread?

harry's definately deserves it! if he doesnt get that or they dont kick ron off as a prefect im going to be mad!

Harry obviously now has a better understanding of what he has to do in the future and knows he is the one responsible for the downfall of Voldemort, once anf for all. Though that is putting a lot of weight on his shoulders, it also takes off a lot because Harry now understands why Voldemort is after him. Harry is going to have it easier because he has proved to everyone, Minister of Magic included, that Voldemort has returned, and now people are on his side and believe him. It is helpful to him because he knows now that whatever he does, people are going to know it is only good, and not bad. It was so hard on Harry before because everywhere he went he had the Ministry tailing him and cutting him down when Harry knows he was telling the truth about Voldemort. It's about time the Minister has opened his eyes and smelled the coffee.

I agree with the point that Eido made about how it would give Harry a normal set of responsibilities outside of Hogwarts. It would make him focus on what is going on school. Harry has shown that he is a leader in many different occassions, such as D.A. teacher and leader, and all those different times he encountered Voldemort.

Though Harry has been helped greatly by his friends, he has proved to be a true leader. He risked his life in so many occassions to save other people's skin and not even worried about his own. Though many say Harry is like his father, and he is, he is also very like his mother. He is sacrificing himself for others, as his mother did for him. Harry being Head Boy would let him know that he is a hero and is being praised for it, rather than being the unsung hero. When it comes time to choosing who is going to be Head Boy, I wouldn't be surprised if Ron got it because I know JK likes to do that kind of stuff, like the way she chose Ron as a prefect, Harry deserves it more than anyone in the school. :clappy:

i think Harry has a really good chance of being head boy but i have my money on Ron. he needs to be on the spotlight more and besides, i'm pretty sure Harry will be Quidditch Captain.

i don't think Dumbledore will give him that huge of a responsibility anyways. he loves the boy very dearly and he wouldn't want to see him having a hard time.

I don't think that Ron hasn't done a lot. It's just not really comparable to how much Harry has done. I think the position of being head boy is going to become extremely volatile and dangerous. Moody foreshadowed that when he told Ron how prefects had to withstand jinxes because leaders always do. DD is going to recognize that the best person to deal with that kind of Danger is Harry. Everyone keeps saying how much responsibility Harry already has, being Head Boy fits within the responsibilities he seems to take on over other students anyway.

Isn't Saver of the World (and probably Quidditch Captain) going to be enough for Harry? Let Ron be HB, and keeper for the Quidditch team.

We can have HB from the other house as well. Ron seem not up to the task. And Harry is way to busy.

Well here's where we stand Prefect wise.

Gryffindor:
Ron and Hermione

Slytherin:
Draco Malfoy
Pansy Parkinson

Hufflepuff:
Ernie Macmillan
Hannah Abbott

Ravenclaw:
Anthony Goldstein
Padma Patil.

Well Hermione is a shoe in for Head Girl...
But none of the male prefects show a lot of promise. Draco could be it if he wasn't the biggest jerk to ever show up in childrens literature. Ernie...maybe...he's sort of a place holder right now. He says his bit, and makes his exit. And I don't really remember much about Goldstein.

Why, though, is being Head Boy becoming very dependent on letting Ron have some time to shine? Yes, I do agree he should be given some credit and he has by being made prefect (Dumbledore could have picked someone else). But Ron was not chosen for the life Harry has to live and Harry did not ask for it. He did not ask to become famous and because he has is not his fault. Harry is truly the one who is well suited for the job and he would be most qualified to carry on the tasks that Head Boy is appointed.

I'm pretty sure that Harry will end up being Head Boy. He will probably start trying harder in his classes now that he has the possibility of being an Auror to work towards. Also, since James was Head Boy, I think Harry's likely to get it. (I think Harry will go into another memory with James in it, a bit later, and find that James mellowed out considerably by his 7th year.) I doubt that Ron will become Head Boy just because he isn't a very good disciplinarian. He tends to give people he doesn't like a hard time. Instead, I think that Ron will become a pretty good Quidditch player and will become Quidditch Captain.

I doubt that Ron will become Head Boy just because he isn't a very good disciplinarian. He tends to give people he doesn't like a hard time. Instead, I think that Ron will become a pretty good Quidditch player and will become Quidditch Captain.

Well said, Ron, as of now, will most likely abuse his position as we have seen him do in his current Prefect holding spot. As for me, I would also like to see him become Quidditch captian. After all, what's more important to Ron here, Quidditch or School? Despite many tellings and reprimends of Hermione, it's quidditch. And truthfully, I think that Ron would much rather get Quidditch captian rather than Head boy. Even though the mirror of the erised showed him so, I think that his priorities have changed.

And about Harry, I really don't see him having the "to much to do" thing. Having him as head boy will boister his morale, something at that point, he'll really need. As much as he will have things to do to prepare him for the "final showdown", Head boy is something that could prepare him as well. That occupation holds many potential lessons of self-control and self-motivation. The responsiblity taken by that role will be immense, and hard to fit in with everything else, yet it will undoubtably help him with the NEWTS and how to maintain himself and set a careful mode of studying for them.

To me, the Head Boy position needs to go to Harry. I know that he gets most of the things but this is one of those events that is crucial for him, mentally, and preparing him for the future. And besides, if the work begins to take it's toll, Hermione will always be there as Head Girl to pull him through!

Originally posted by hermeeownninny (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=438368#post438368))

I would love to see Ron as Head Boy; I think Ron needs to develop authority and a voice of his own, without going along with whatever Harry does or his brothers. His position as prefect is a start for that, but I think Head Boy would really develop his character. Unless of course, he dies in book 7 (as I think he will), so in that case, will Ronnie get his heart's desire before he dies?



I share your Ron-is-toast theory. So maybe this opens up the door for both Ron and Harry being Head Boy at Hogwarts their 7th year? EDIT:And both might be Quidditch Captain their 7th year by the same reasoning. Hmmmm.......

I was unbelieveably disappointed when Ron was made prefect instead of Harry. If you think about it, what has Ron done to deserve it? Nothing except be lucky enough to have a famous friend. I think he's been extremely immature and undeserving of it and I made me very angry that he got it. I definitely felt bad for him at many points but pity is no reason to be given an honor. I definitely hope that Harry gets head boy and will never recover if Ron gets it. Congratulations, Hermione!

Originally posted by Tylindr (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=441573#post441573))
I was unbelieveably disappointed when Ron was made prefect instead of Harry. If you think about it, what has Ron done to deserve it? Nothing except be lucky enough to have a famous friend. I think he's been extremely immature and undeserving of it and I made me very angry that he got it. I definitely felt bad for him at many points but pity is no reason to be given an honor. I definitely hope that Harry gets head boy and will never recover if Ron gets it. Congratulations, Hermione!


What has Ron done after all? Besides go and defeat the Wizard's Chess game so that Harry could reach the Sorceror's Stone. Faced his worst nightmare with spiders to help Harry find out the truth about the Chamber of Secrets. Dig a hole to reach Harry after the cave in so that Fawkes could reach Harry. Stuck up for Harry when everyone else was suspecting him, both in books two and book five. Got his leg broken trying to help Harry in book three. And he was the one taking hits for Harry in the practice of spellcasting in book four. And Ron has taken abuse for sticking up for Harry and Hermione more than once.

It's not all that clear to me that Harry would have done a better job as Prefect than Ron. As Dumbledore said, Harry already has responsibilities. The fact of the matter is if you put too much of a load on Harry, he's going to go boom. I'm not sure adding Prefect duties on top of everything else (OWL exams, occlumency lessons, nightmarish visions, warfare from the Ministry) would have been a good idea in book five, and I'm less sure about that in book six and Head Boy in book seven. I think that Ron is a better choice than Harry for a couple of reasons.

First off, it shifts a lot of work from Harry to Ron. Harry's got quite a lot on his plate when you get down to it. He's got to train to become good enough to beat Voldemort. It will be bad enough with his NEWT exams and Quidditch practices (which he could make a case for dumping except they're probably what helps keep him sane). Adding the responsibilities of Head Boy to Harry will make him crack. He'll do a rotten job as Head Boy because he's got too much else going on in his life. Part of Ron's job going ahead I think is to start to shoulder a lot of the other work in Harry's life, to free Harry up for his true responsibility of defeating Voldemort. Delegation of work. If Ron is Head Boy, that's one less thing Harry has to worry about his seventh year.

The other one is the defining talent that set Ron apart in book one, Wizard's Chess. Ron is a top player, by Dumbledore's own testimony at the end of the first book. There isn't any hint that Harry has gotten that much better at the game to beat Ron (of course there's no hint that he hasn't). But unless Harry has gotten a lot better, Ron is still the superior player at chess, and has a better sense of group tactics and strategy than Harry. Which means that in some ways he could do a better job directing the forces of the DA than Harry, quite possibly. So Ron as Head Boy, directing the DA makes more sense than Harry.

Remember in Lord of the Rings, Aragorn was the one commanding the forces trying to keep Mordor looking away from Frodo. I would not be surprised to see Ron doing something similar, commanding the DA to take out the Death Eaters and other monsters and clearing a path for Harry to reach Voldemort, who would probably prefer to have Harry worn out and wounded before Harry reaches his opponent. And would certainly like to use his other forces to distract Harry from his main opponent. Ron has a secondary job at that point keeping Voldemort's forces off of Harry's back. And yes, it makes sense for Ron to be Head Boy as well, commanding the student forces (with the exception of Harry).

If it wasn't for Voldemort, et al, then, yes, I could easily see Harry as Head Boy and perhaps Quidditch captain, but right now he's got more important things to worry about, such as Voldemort. Being a prefect is an important thing if you're not trying to face down the dark lord who is trying to usher in an age of darkness. I see Ron being Prefect and becoming Head Boy because Harry's got more important things to worry about and he should be focusing on his final battle with Voldemort rather than chasing down students breaking rules in the hallway. I hope that other people feel the same. Ron and Hermione can try to focus on keeping order in the student body so that Harry doesn't have to.

Yeah, but him having so much responsibility doesn't really mean anything that much anymore. Harry has obviously proven himself beyond anyone in the school that he is brave and loyal to Dumbledore. Maybe Harry focusing on school for a while and being Head Boy will help to bring him back to a life of being the one who has to kill Voldemort. The more he learns and grows, the more powerful he will be when fighting Voldemort. Don't you think Harry deserves another life than just fighting Voldemort? I mean, if you put yourself in Harry's shoes, how much would you wish to just be a normal teenage wizard who doesn't have to be the one that everyone looks to as responsible for killing the Dark Lord? Harry should be able to experience life outside of just being the one to kill Voldemort, and making him Head Boy would show him that he has done so much for the school already and is being respected for it and there is more to life for him than just killing Voldemort.

Well, in general I tend to view Quidditch as Harry's release valve. Frankly I think it's a far better one for Harry than being Head Boy. Head Boy is work and responsibility and Harry has enough of that. Of course being the Gryffindor Seeker is also a certain degree of work and responsibility, but it's also a recreational activity where Harry can blow off steam (of course being a Beater would be better in that regards). It is what connects him to life. All work and no play make Harry a dull boy. Or ready to explode. If we're talking about normal teenage life, then Quidditch fits the bill more than being Head Boy does. That is Harry's lifeline to sanity.

Yes, it is, but don't you think Harry deserves a little more recognition as being a hero than just getting announced at a speech Dumbledore made, when it was basically just mourning Cedric? I mean, especially with all the negativity he got, don't you think being elected Head Boy would show Harry that Dumbledore truly appreciates him and recognizes what he has done and all his efforts?

I think Harry wants to be head boy. We know he can handle it better than anyone else. He will be honored because his father was head boy and it seems like harry often wants to follow in his fathers foot steps (indicated by his reaction to finding out his father was not a prefect). And if harry wants it, he's earned it, and should have it. Just to throw out another idea, I could see Neville getting it. He's becoming a better wizard, and I feel like everyone would be happy for him if he got it, and he needs something good to balance out all the misery in his life.

Harry wouldn't mind being Prefect (see Book 4) he'd probably do a better job of it than Ron has (pause for a second while the Ron lovers bite my head off) and he wants to emulate his father in becoming HB. But, Dumbledore may think this is an extra burden again. That's the only reason Dumbledore shocked the House and made Ron a Prefect.

Yes, Harry wanted to be HeadBoy and i think he will. Dumbledore didn't allow him to be prefect this year because of all the circumstances beyond his control ie. Umbridge ruling the school and the MoM view of Voldemort. Remember the school notices (containing Prefect notices) were received just a few days before Sept 1st, around the time Umbridge was given the post of DADA.

These have now changed. MoM now acknowledges Voldemort and Harry isn't seen as some nutter any more. Hopefully, as Harry isn't the only one to have seen the return of Voldemort, his responsibilities will be slightly lessened (the Order being given more resources) and Dumbledore will allow Harry to be Head Boy.

Just what has Ron actually done by the way...
Book 5: nothing much, went along to the Ministry (so did Neville)
Book 4: was a dummy target for Harry for the Third Task
Book 3: broke leg, nothing while H & Hr went to save Sirius and Buckbeak
Book 2: wasn't it just Harry that linked up all the clues, Ron was basically clueless
Book 1: the chess game

so in 5 books, the only piece of leadership Ron has provided was ALL the way back in first year. I don't think he's Head Boy material.

On a side note, I don't think that Head Boy/Girl are solely based on marks. If they were, wouldn't Ravenclaws almost always be Head Boy/Girl.

I would like to address the Ron wanting the Head boy badge thing.....

pg. 165 OOTP

"Don't pay any attention to them, Ron, they're only jealous!"
I don't think they are," said Ron doubtfully, also looking up at the ceiling. "They've always said only prats become prefects....Still," he added on a happier not, "they've never had new brooms! I weish I could go with Mum and choose....She'll never be able to afford a Numbus, but there's the new Cleansweep out, that'd be great....Yeah, I think I'll go and tell her I like the Cleansweap, just so she knows...."

Now tell me, which does Ron value more, Academics or sports. He is a perfect example of the stereo typical "man", sports and women. To me, I think he'd enjoy being Quidditch captain much more than Head Boy. As of now.

Also about the descreptancy whether or not Harry wants the Head Boy spot.....He does. Think about it, many people here have stated that he would want to because his dad was as well...which is a very good point. Plus the fact that Harry spent 3 pages brooding over not becoming a Prefect! Just think if he didn't get Head Boy! He definitely wants that spot and as I said in an earlier post, it holds many pluses for him.

Im not too sure about Harry being Head boy. Maybe. I think Hermione is a shoo in for Head girl though. Ron not so much. You heard him in book five. (This way migets) He said.

-Shimmering_Starley

I think we'll have a much better idea after book six if Harry will be able to handle head boy duties. As of now, I'd guess no and then I'd expect the person who does become head boy (if it's not Ron) will have a larger role in book 6.

As many others have stated, Hermione is so much on track for Head Girl, I'd almost be surprised if they didn't give it to her a year early! (well, just kidding on the year early, but you know what I mean I think!)

I think Neville should have been a prefect, but perhaps his yearly test results aren't good enough.

If Ron quits his position of prefect, or has the badge taken from him, I'd prefer Neville to take his place. Harry has enough to worry about.

Unless they review prefects yearly (or whatever), wouldn't Lupin have had to have stopped being a prefect for James to have become Head Boy? Because they wouldn't have just said 'Look, I know you're the prefect and everything, but we think we prefer James after all'. So did Lupin ask not to be a prefect, or was his badge taken of him for some naughtiness that we don't know about? Probably neither. Probably it's easier to imagine that the prefects were reviewed and James ended up being Prefect one year instead of Lupin.

Wouldn't Neville of gotten "bullied" if he was a prefect? Only this year has he really grown in confidence to hold a position of prefect and act on it. As for head boy, when the time comes around, i think it matters not on your previous roles in the school (prefect or not), leaving the field open for the best candidate. People tend to grow and mature the most, show their true qualities in their last 2 years of school.

Why though, does Harry have so much to handle? Yes, we all know he is the one to murder Voldemort, but he has it a little easier now due to the fact the Ministry has admitted that Voldemort is back. He is also not going to be under that much watch, seeing if he breaks any school rules, and maybe they will even bend the policy of allowing him to do magic at home for him, just in case attacked by Voldemort. I'm not saying use magic everywhere he can, but for self defense. This is a release for him, especially with people not making such snide comments on every single breath he takes. People believe in him now, and to know you have other people's support is very easing and comforting.

And I think Dumbledore owes him something, especially all that he has done not only for the school, but for other people's safety. Dumbledore needs to show him he is recognizable for the work he did.

The murder is simply the last and greatest burden. He's had to overcome an abysmal childhood (which though certainly not the worst in the annals of incoming Hogwarts students was no picnic). He's seen things and dealt with things that most adult wizards don't even envision in their nightmares (that's why he is or was exceptionally vulnerable to Dementors). He has also had to live every second of his school life in the spotlight. This has meant high expectations from some teachers, open animosity from others, and, of course, a great deal of flack from the entire studient body for a variety of reasons in a variety of situations. And he's risen to the challenge better than anything Dumbledore could have hoped or even dreamed (which is saying quite a lot considering Dumbledore's vast experience and fertile mind). That's quite a hefty load. This may be our first hint of hyperbole from Albus, but not by all that much when you consider what Harry has done.

Exactly jord. He has taken on the toughest battles now, and he is now prepared to defeat Voldemort. I mean, people should just cut Harry some slack and realize that he is the one responsible for most of the things that had to do with encountering Voldemort. I mean, even Ron and Hermione admit. He may have been helped, but he is the ultimate reason. Ron had his time to shine. Harry, who has done so much more than most wizards, did something beyond bravery, and only received an assortment of such horrible and degrading comments and criticism. He was never recognized by anyone. He deserves it. The poor kid! He's been through so much, I know Head Boy wouldn't be that difficult to handle.

I think Dumbledore's theory on the Prefect thing (and it could hold true for HB) was that it was more responsibility and it was really unnecessary. If it were unnecessary, all it would do would be drain Harry's energy away from important things (his studies, preparing to meet his destiny). That's why even the removal of Quidditch was a blessing in disguise. Yeah, it's fun, but look how much time Ron spent doing that over the course of the year.

I think, though Umbridge's intentions were mean, that it truly was beneficial to Harry to be taken away from Quidditch, and he had too much to be dealing with (i.e., all the dreams, occlumency lessons, Umbridge and the Ministry constantly on his back, and how Dumbledore wasn't even paying attention to him) and it was definitely causing him a lot of stress. Oh, and Cho too. But I think now Harry knows what he has to do and will be well prepared by book 7 to defeat Voldemort once and for all. I think appointing Harry as Head Boy and letting him be back on the Quidditch team will act as a release for all that he has to think about and keep him inside of school with a set of responsibilities. It would also be showing Harry he is brave and his services are appreciated.

Originally posted by firebolt2000 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=447900#post447900))
I think, though Umbridge's intentions were mean, that it truly was beneficial to Harry to be taken away from Quidditch, and he had too much to be dealing with (i.e., all the dreams, occlumency lessons, Umbridge and the Ministry constantly on his back, and how Dumbledore wasn't even paying attention to him) and it was definitely causing him a lot of stress. Oh, and Cho too. But I think now Harry knows what he has to do and will be well prepared by book 7 to defeat Voldemort once and for all. I think appointing Harry as Head Boy and letting him be back on the Quidditch team will act as a release for all that he has to think about and keep him inside of school with a set of responsibilities. It would also be showing Harry he is brave and his services are appreciated.


This is why I think Harry was not made a prefect (the Umbridge part) and why Ron will be Quidditch capton in book 6 (he did make that great save in the end and finally got his confidence on the field) thus this will allow for Harry to be HB in book 7. It gives Ron one of the things he really really wanted which was to shine at Quidditch.

Harry was very very disappointed to learn he was not a prefect but he was happy to hear that James was HB without being a prefect though. And as someone else pointed out Harry just loves to follow in his dad's footsteps.

Raey

I don't think Umbridge played any part in deciding that Harry should not be made a prefect. It was ultimately Dumbledore's decision, and though I was upset that he was not made prefect, I see where Dumbledore is coming from. He knew it was going to be an extremely tough year for Harry with everything going on and it would have just made Harry more anxious. Dumbledore then gave the position to Ron because he knew he would be able to handle since he didn't have much on his plate as Harry. I now think Harry can handle the responsibility of being head boy, and Dumbledore owes it to Harry since he has hardly awarded Harry for everything he has done.

Why would Ron by Quidditch Captain in book 6 when there's a Chaser on the team with more experience than him or Harry? I think he and Harry may end up flipping a coin for it in Book 7, but definitely not in Book 6.

Yes, I don't think Ron or Harry will end up being Quidditch captain in book 6, because there is another chaser with more experience. It really depends on who shows more talent at the game and if Ron can pick up the pace and learn to defend the goal posts even when people are watching.

And also his attitude. Even if he improves permanently, if he starts strutting around no one, not even Harry, will listen to him. He has to learn not to savor/wallow in positve attention quite so much (especially since he KNOWS it can turn on a dime).

I don't think Quidditch captons were necessarily picked based on how long they were on the team or how did Cedric get to be one. He was the new seeker and capton for Hufflepuff in book 3.

Raey

~Edit~ my Umbridge reference was not that she helped to deny harry as a prefect but about the part where he had too much going on, it was reference to the part in the quote that that person had used her name not that she had anything to do with it.~

Attitude, skill, commitment, leadership. These are the watchwords of a captain. Harry has three of the four. Ron has...well, what exactly DOES Ron have?:??:

I think Harry has all four. Firstly, Ron cannot have committment because the minute Harry was off the team permanently and the Slytherins were making fun of him, he immediately wanted to resign. That shows in the worst of times Ron might not possibly be there for the team. His attitude changes depending on whether or not he does well at practice or in the games, and to be a good player and team sport you have to have a good attitude no matter what. His skill is so-so, he did make that really good last save, but he needs to improve, especially when the Slytherins are around, and he doesn't show much leadership. I don't see him even going out of his way to act as a prefect, Hermione basically does the job for the both of them, and though Ron wants to be Captain so badly, so does everyone else, and to tell the truth, everyone is doing a better job than him.

But that is true Raey, Harry might be picked just because he is so good and everyone looks up to him because he has such skill at the game. And with him as Captain, the team is bound to do better. Harry has everything it takes to be captain. :clappy:

All we see are Ron's interactions/attitudes with Harry/Harry's POV, for all we know he could be totally different to others. I mean Ron did a lot of things away from Harry that we did not see.

As for skill, Ron has shown he has great skills at tactics and correct me I am wrong but doesn't it take some skill with tactics to help lead/capton Quidditch. Ron recognized he was not playing well, he even told Harry he knew he was not playing well, and asked Angelina if he could step down and she would not let him. To me that shows that Ron is seeing the big picture somewhat and leaders need to be able to do what is best for the team not just themselves. I think Ron's attitude is a good one about the only person I have seen him be angry with and outright wanting to fight with outside of Hermoine is Malfoy. So we don't really have a great basis for how well Ron would do with leading others in Quidditch because Harry was gone from that way before we got a long look at Ron. All we know is what Ginny/Fred/George all told him. Nothing they told him outside of his playing badly (which could have been from nerves since Harry himself thinks Ron had potential if he would just relax) would indicate he would not be a good capton.

Raey

Yes, but eventually he has to get over his nerves and realize that if he wants to be a Captain he has to play well. He has to let his anger towards Malfoy and the Slytherins cool down and then he will focus and play well. Harry can obviously do it, and if anything, it makes him do better, using the anger he has towards Malfoy to drive him farther and want to catch the Snitch. By Ron wanting to quit, it shows some weakness, because obviously he was scared to continue playing and be made fun of. He has to push that aside and understand no one will be perfect and it takes practice to become better at a certain task. Angelina told Ron to stay because she knew no one else was good since she had auditioned everyone, and they needed someone to be a Keeper.

Yeah I agree with you Firebolt. Ron needs to learn a bit more and you make a good point it does show some weakness on Ron's part about wanting to step down as well. But I think it was nice to see Angelina believing in Ron I think in the end that helped him grow some more then anything else on the Quidditch front. I am hoping that will give him a nice push in the confidence department he needs.

Raey

Yes, I do think it was nice of Angelina as well to encourage Ron to continue to play on the team. It must have lifted his esteem a little bit and he definitely needed it. I think if he just pushes his anger towards the Slytherins aside and believe in himself that he can play well, he will do better and better.

It wasn't anger. If it were anger, it might have helped him earlier. It was more his fear of letting himself and his family down coming to fruition before his eyes (especially after his mother was over the moon about that Prefect badge). Remember his glum description of his brothers' accomplishments on the train in PS? That attitude has never really left him and neither has his feeling about poverty (though, mercifiully, he's never been tempted to unload on his parents about it).

I don't think his mother would have been that upset with his Quidditch performance. Fred and George would have been though. I think she would have been more upset if he had his prefect badge taken away from him. And it could have been anger, but he just didn't know where to channel it. I think it was also fear he would just make a fool of himself again in front of Malfoy and his cronies that pushed him over the edge and that is what made him play so badly.

I think Harry has a good chance of becoming Head Boy.

The prefect badge was for him but DD gave it to Ron because he thought Harry would be too busy. So, in a sense, that prefect badge is Harry's.

But, I digress..........I think Harry will be Head Boy.

Sarmi

if he can't even be a prefect because he has too many other burdens what makes you think that he'll be HB? surely that's even MORE responsibility, and by year 7, harry could be in even deeper than he was this year. i just don't think it's worth the risk.
"what would we want to be prefects for--it would take all the fun out of life" something like what Fred and George said about not being made prefects. And if harry has that responsibility, and has to set an example and all that jazz he won't be able to break the rules, like he has done so much in the past, to have fun, save the world, or anything of that sort.
kid doesn't have a chance. DD won't give it to him out of sympathy.

to recap: in book 1 Harry prevented Voldemort from returning to power.
In book 2 he slew the basilisk and prevented Tom Riddle the Diary from coming to full life.
In book 3 he let Pettigrew escape as well as Buckbeak and Sirius...um, maybe that was good?

In book 4 he was duped into helping restore Voldemort to power, but survived and let the world know Big V was back.

In book 5 he inadvertantly allowed Fudge to witness Dumbledore battling Voldemort, which forced the Ministry to reveal Voldemort was back. Teaching the D.A. should count for a lot too. Maybe he'll be part of a permanent club during sixth year...

Rowling has the habit of making her characters suffer before drawn out adversities before letting them have some victory. It's a sure bet Harry will be headboy.

harrys light at the end of the tunnel has always had to do with voldie or something--never getting anything other than house points. what makes you think that all of a sudden DD will decide that harry needs more responsibility and burdens and needs a yet another reason to not break the rules (we all know DD doesn't mind harry breaking them when they are necessarily broken) when sh-t goes down? it's illogical.

I'd really like to see Harry as Head Boy. I've read some of the posts in this thread for and against Harry being Head Boy, and while they're all good arguments, I still think that Harry being Head Boy would be a great idea.

We could clearly see how disappointed Harry was when he didn't become prefect and how he brightened up somewhat when he found out James wasn't made prefect, either. I think this gave him hope, and showed that he really does want to be Head Boy.

If Dumbledore made Harry Headboy, it would show to everyone how much trust and faith he has in Harry, as Kingsley Shacklebolt said about making Harry a prefect.

OK, I know that Ron would be a really good contender for Head Boy, but does he really have the necessary leadership skills and maturity required? It's all very well to show a bunch of first years where Gryffindor Tower is on their first day at Hogwarts, but being Head Boy means he represents Hogwarts, and the students. His role is to assist Dumbledore. I just dont see Ron being able to handle the role.

Draco Malfoy is definitely a no-go. His father's a known Death Eater and anyway, he abuses his prefect priveliges already, and showed no loyalty to Dumbledore when he became part of the Inquisitorial Squad. Dumbledore needs a Head Boy and Head Girl who will be loyal to him. And Harry's shown that on countless occasions.

I don't see Ernie Macmillan nor Anthony Goldstein being Head Boy, either. Ernie's too pompous to be taken seriously and we dont know much about Anthony Goldstein.

Now I know some people think that Harry's to too much responsibility without the extra burden of Head Boy. And, if he were appointed Head Boy in his sixth year, I'd agree with you. I think that if he were given such a huge role as Head Boy straight after the information Dumbledore has given him, he wouldn't be able to handle it. But he has a whole year to sort himself out and dealing with this extra burden before even thinking about Head Boy. And he's done so much for the school so far that it seems the right thing for him to be Head Boy, and I don't just mean preventing Voldemort from getting the Philosopher's Stone, nor defeating the Basilisk, nor becoming a Hogwarts champion and winning the Triwizard Cup. He's an excellent Quidditch player as well. Don't forget he was the youngest seeker in a century in his first year. He has all these merits going for him, it's almost as if he deserves being Head Boy. I'd like to think that if he can handle everything he's handled in the past, he'll be able to handle being Head Boy.

whose to say that in year 6 things won't get worse? you just cannot say that based on what DD has told us about his reasons for not making harry a prefect that it seems logical. surely by eyar 7, nothing will be better. that is something we know, that DD and harry do not, because, obviously, the end of the harry/voldie struggle will not come until the end of the series. and that is going to, without a doubt, be his hardest year ever. why on eart would DD give him that ontop of his 7th year?

Yeah, but I think that Harry will be headboy anyway. DD seems to regret not giving Harry the prefect job.

Yes he has done services to the school. I think he has a way to go before he will be seriously considered for Head Boy. I think his grades will continue to improve. I think he did a good job on the O.W.L.s and can build on that.

I do think his work organizing and teaching the lessons for D.A. shows his leadship qualities and the acceptance he as gotten from his school mates. He also has united members of three of the four houses. If he succeeds in drawing in some Slytherins into the group. He would definitely be Head Boy material.

I don't think haryy even wants to be HB anymore. He is still goin trough a grieving proses because of Sirious death, and now hee has the whole murderer being murdered thing. I would like it if Ron was a HB; I think he could help Dumbledore keep an eye on Harry and make sure he's ok.

As for Quidditch capten, aren't all the chasers gone know. Harry will be the oldest quidditch member. The team practically has to start from scratch. Harry as seeker, Ron as keeper, Ginny as chaser, the two new beatters, and they will need a couple of chasers. Harry has more experience, but it's up to JKR to decide.

I think Harry will be Head Boy, much like James was. From what Dumbledore said it seemed that he would have made Harry a Prefect if he didn't have so many pressures. I'm not sure he'll make the same decision when it comes to choosing who will be Head Boy.

Well, i said this in the other thread, but i think Harry will go the same route as James Potter. Head Boy without being a prefect first. Dumbledore seemed to regret not giving Harry the prefect spot and i believe he will give it to him in 7th year.

I think that too. JK seems to be setting him up in much the same way as James was.

Originally posted by Wakkachuta (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=455392#post455392))
OK, I know that Ron would be a really good contender for Head Boy, but does he really have the necessary leadership skills and maturity required? It's all very well to show a bunch of first years where Gryffindor Tower is on their first day at Hogwarts, but being Head Boy means he represents Hogwarts, and the students. His role is to assist Dumbledore. I just dont see Ron being able to handle the role.

Looking in the pensive, would you say that James Potter in his fifth year had the qualities to be a good Head Boy? Would you in fact say that James was showing greater maturity than Ron? Ron isn't ready for the job now, but then neither was James in his fifth year. And frankly I see a lot more similarities between James and Ron than between James and Harry.

And as I've indicated in other threads, Harry has the responsibility of taking on Voldemort. One of the jobs of the Head Boy is keeping order in the student body and ultimately seeing to their welfare, a defensive position more than an offensive position. Harry is the Seeker, the one who goes after Voldemort. Ron is the Keeper, who guards the goal and in this case I think that goal is Hogwarts. The Head Boy really has an obligation to take a defensive posture to protect the students. Harry can't do that, he's got to fufill the prophecy.

And lastly, Harry wanting to be Head Boy just because his father was Head Boy isn't the most mature attitude in the world. If Lucius Malfoy had been Head Boy in his time and Draco wanted the position because his father had been Head Boy, everyone would be castigating him. It's an act of love and devotion, assuredly, but the fact of the matter is that in some ways all he's trying to do is match his father's achievements, which isn't really the right reason to go after a position like that. And Harry has to really ask himself with his other obligations whether or not he can do as good a job as somone else who isn't so burdened.

Frankly I think Harry as more important things to do than be Head Boy. Like save the world from Voldemort. Being Head Boy would just take away from his efforts there. I think Ron's role is to take on these duties so that Harry can focus on what he's supposed to be doing.

Just a thought: If I was Harry, I wouldn't plan on killing Voldemort in my seventh year. I would wait until I finished up with Auror training. Learn all that I could about DADA and the Dark Arts as possible.

Of course, Dumbledore may be thinking along the same lines, and arrange to have an auror or auror trainer to teach him stuff that he might not otherwise learn until he was in the Auror school.

Well Harry might not have a choice as to when he fights Voldie.

You know who really didn't like Harry not being a prefect? Moody. I think he disagreed with Dumbledore's decision big time. I remember something to the effect that he was glaring at Ron saying congratulations, something about authority figures always attracting trouble but Dumbledore seems to think you can stand can withstand most major jinxes or else he wouldn't have appointed him.

Yes, Kingsley and Moody were very curious as to why he didn't make Harry prefect. I think Dumbledore regretted that he didn't make Harry prefect, because there were tears in his eyes, and we have never seen Dumbledore like that, so emotional. He cares for him the most out of any student, and I think Dumbledore knows that Harry is strong enough to be Head Boy. Harry deserves some recognition, and some appreciation. He has never been shown any for what he has done. Head Boy will give him responsibilities inside of school, which he needs. It will give him a life outside thinking of him being the one to defeat Voldemort and to not think about Sirius as much.

I don't think Dumbledore was emotional because he didn't make Harry prefect, I think he is very sad because he knows that Harry is going to have an extremely long and hard road ahead of him. He loves Harry dearly, like a son.

I agree with you, Raven.

I agree with Raven too but I also think that is part of the reason DD didnt make him prefect. He loves him like a son and even though he knew that Harry could probably handle it he chose to not burden him that much.

There would have been a couple of problems with Harry being a prefect. For one thing there would have been major accusations about being "Dumbledore's pet". Plus with half the school thinking that Harry is nuts, no body would have listened to him. Finally, Ron would have been really jelous. As a Weasley, he was expected to become a prefect. Granted, his mother would have cut him some slack, seeing how he is in the same year as Harry...but still.

All and all, I think Ron becoming a prefect was a much better move than Harry becoming a prefect.

I do think that Ron was a better choice than Harry.

The strange thing is we, the readers, all assume that Harry would have to fight LV by the end of his 7th year because that is all JKR is going to write. But I don't think Harry himself would have such a 'deadline' in his mind and like someone else in this thread said, will probably want to fight LV after some sort of training. So I don't think Harry will see being Head Boy and fighting LV as conflicting responsiblities.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows how the circumstances may change.

Like I have said before, Harry may not have much of a choice when he fights Voldie. He hasnt in any of the other books. So he might not have a chance to do any extra training.

My personal take on this the fact that it's Year 7. The year of the final showdown between Harry and Voldemort. Most likely there will be battles, and fights between both sides. To me the Head Boy is there not only to watch out for the well being os the studenst, but also there to be a role model a leader. Picture yourself attending Hogwarts (I;m all sure we have at one point). You are about to go into battle. Who would you want as one of your leaders? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't hesitate to be right beside "the boy who lived" You know that he's smart, intellegent, and will do all he possibly can to defeat this enemy.

I think that he will get Head Boy, even if that does mean extra added responsibilites in his 7th year. At this point I don't think weve been shown anyone else that could do it. Certainly not Ron. (IMO)

I agree that the showdown will be in Harry's 7th year and also that Ron hasnt really done that much to show he is capable of doing it but there is still another book before that one and he might do show us in that book.

ok, so harry head boy, but who will be head girl? who will work along side him with the HB duties?

ok, so harry head boy, but who will be head girl? who will work along side him with the HB duties?

I'm definitely thinking Hermione myself :cool: I don't think any other girl rivals her in head girl capabilities. But then again, nobody rivaled Harry in prefect abitilies either....

I am, however, wonderfully pleased that you think Harry should be Head boy. He really does deserve it! :D

yea, my bet is more on hermione, she seems the head girl type


anyone know what specific duties the HB and HG do?

anyone know what specific duties the HB and HG do?

It seems to me that most of the duties we've seen have been carried out by prefects - bringing first years to common rooms, looking after them at break etc. So perhaps the HB and HG simply co-ordinate everyone, without doing any of the day-to-day stuff themselves. After all, they're likely to be very busy with NEWTwork. For example, the HB and HG at my old school were more like figureheads while the prefects looked after students.

Anyway, I think Harry will be HB, in fact, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't. JKR must have introduced James as non-prefect for a reason, and I suspect it's so there is a way to be HB without being a prefect. And I think Hermione will be HG (it's practically canon already, huh?)

yea, kinda obvious... was lily a head girl?

aside from teaching the DA, harry hasn't had much experience in any position of leadership or authority. I mean, even in Quiditch he's the seeker, the player least likely to work with the rest of the team.

His experience being subjected to unfairness by authority would probably be his among his biggest qualifications for occupying a position of authority, on top of repeatedly reacting bravely and demonstrating resourcefulness,toughness, and a willingness to be fair.

snitch: Yes, Lily was head girl.

In any case, it seems that James was HB without being a prefect first. It certainly is possible, and Dumbledore really seems to regret not making Harry a prefect. Harry has also shown himself to be a very capable leader. He would also be an ideal role model in a time when Voldemort has reached the peak of his powers once again.

Also, as for head girl, i'm thinking Hermione's a shoo in already. Hey look, her initials are "HG" - interesting eh? :p

I would really like Harry to be head boy but I have a horrible feeling that it is going to be Draco... I don't know why I'm thinking this, its just a feeling! Anyway I do hope that it will be Harry who is head boy

i think dumbledore will never make draco headboy.
i hope it will be harry, but, again it will be his 7th year-surely the year when he is going to fight voldemort, and what if dumledore will again think that it is going to be too much for him????
hope not

but what if dumledore isn't going to be headmaster???

there are so many "buts"... ony JKR knows...

Ron was a preety horrible Prefect. He offered a poor example of how to act and often insulted first years. He showed no leadership abilities and didn't enforce any rules. He often lets Hermione do all the Prefect chores and handle most of the responsibility. I would doubt that Ron would become Headboy.

This probably makes it much more likely that Harry would become Headboy. But I would not rule out another kid from getting it as long as its not Ron (Neville perhaps?).

Draco as headboy, eh?

That would be somewhat ironic and set the stage for entertaining conflicts. But we really don't know much about Draco other than his father is a wealthy death eater and that Draco leads around Crabbe and Goyle. I mean, is Draco really good at anything worthwhile?

if there's one more reason to make harry headboy, it is so he can move around Hogwarts more freely; without the threat of detention or expulsion. He will need this mobility to combat whatever treacherous schemes the bad guys are doing at hogwarts 7th year. And probably to return to his room after late night advanced magic training with other powerful wizards.

Rowling could pull a real surprise by making Harry headboy his sixth year....

aside from teaching the DA, harry hasn't had much experience in any position of leadership or authority. I mean, even in Quiditch he's the seeker, the player least likely to work with the rest of the team.

His experience being subjected to unfairness by authority would probably be his among his biggest qualifications for occupying a position of authority, on top of repeatedly reacting bravely and demonstrating resourcefulness,toughness, and a willingness to be fair.

Your right, he hasn't had much "authorized leadership"...but that doesn't matter. Harry is a natural leader. People just look up to him in crucial and seriuos moments, and he lets them....and usually succeeds when he is leading them. That is the type of person dumbledore needs as Head boy in times such as these. And because of his noble and fair disposition, we really don't have to expect he'll abuse his position in a way that will hurt others like Draco, but I have no doubt that he'll abuse the position to help himself :) (though he will have hermione constantly nagging at his side)

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Rowling could pull a real surprise by making Harry headboy his sixth year....

Now THAT would be interesting to say the least. I wonder....Good idea, I like it! :tu:

Also, magicsocks, try not to double post, just use the edit button in the lower right hand corner as I did to put your latest quote in. Thanks :)

Yeah I really see Harry as Head Boy, as long as he stops thinking he's better then other people, but is it just me or don't you think it would be kindda annoying since his dad wasn't a prefect but was Head Boy and that Harry did the same thing?

yea, i mean there is a very good chance of him becoming head boy, with all his accomplishments and all. but he didn't get picked as prefect because he's already so busy with more important things. when the time comes to becoming head boy, i think he will have even more responsibilites without all the head stuff.

I thought that Head Boy and Head Girl were the people who got the highest grades, not the people who saved the world the most times. But maybe I'm wrong and they're chosen for a different reason. I think he deserves it, but it depends on how they are chosen. I think Hermione is easily Head Girl (obviously).
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If that was the criteria then I don't think that Ron would have been made a prefect. I think that Harry probably has the best grades of the Gryffindor 5th year boys.

From what I was told (by my supervisor who was educated in the British system ..its kinda nice to have a supervisor who loves HP too) the prefects at her school were chosen because they were
class leaders but not necessarily the smartest or the best grades. Some were sports "heroes, some were best of the best grades wise, some were outstandiing in drama . .ect. The HB/HG weren't necessarily chosen from among them In fact the prefects were reselected every year . .some were re chosen, some were not.

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(2) Not in the least. It was far more annoying watching Ron get the prefecture and then shirking his responsibilites because he was intimidated by Fred and George.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Harry as headboy. But maybe he will have too much other stuff going on in his 7th year to also have the responsibility of headboy to deal with. I think he would prefer to not be Head Boy even though he was upset over not making prefect.

What has Ron done after all? Besides go and defeat the Wizard's Chess game so that Harry could reach the Sorceror's Stone.

Which they never would've even reached if Hermione hadn't freed them from the Devil's Snare and gotten Harry pass the potions test. There were four test and they were solved in this order by the trio:

1. Hermione
2. Harry
3. Ron
4. N/A as the troll was already knocked out
5. Hermione two

You make it sound like Ron won the chess game and then Harry went and fought Quirrell immediately afterwards. :rolleyes:

Faced his worst nightmare with spiders to help Harry find out the truth about the Chamber of Secrets.

Not entirely true. CoS: Page 27: Scholastic edition, Ron tries to tell Harry that the spiders may not have been going into the forrest as if trying to talk Harry out of it. Once again, no big heroic moment for Ron.

Dig a hole to reach Harry after the cave in so that Fawkes could reach Harry.

Nice try but wrong. Ron didn't dig that hole because he knew Fawkes was coming and he was trying to clear a path. He was digging so he could get through and reach his sister. You're taking things out of context.

Stuck up for Harry when everyone else was suspecting him, both in books two and book five.

You conveniently left out when Ron didn't stick by Harry in book 4. By the way, Hermione also stuck by Harry in CoS and OotP - and every other book for that matter.

Got his leg broken trying to help Harry in book three.

Wrong. Ron was dragged away by Sirius who broke his leg trying to get him into the whomping willow. You try to make it sound like Ron jumped in front of the willow to protect Harry in some great heroic moment and that's not what happened. Once again, way out of context.

And he was the one taking hits for Harry in the practice of spellcasting in book four.

Nothing major there. Hermione cut classes and stood up late with Harry when he had no one else. Ron made a small contribution as any 'best friend' should have.

And Ron has taken abuse for sticking up for Harry and Hermione more than once.

What abuse? And Hermione has taken abuse for being Muggleborn and suspected of playing with Harry's heart.

So as you can see, Ron hasn't done anything special as Harry's friend that Hermione hasn't also done.

I can certainly see Harry being Head boy, he's a born leader and would flurish at the job, but i'm not sure if JK will write it that way, for the same reason he wasn't made prefect he will not be made head boy IMO

At the ame time i don't think Ron should be it either, he completely messed up on being a prefect that i'm not sure he could haddle the head boy posistion, besides Ron doesn't need to become head boy just to improve his character.

I think Hermione is certainly up to become head girl though, she's also done a lot for the school, for i don't think Harry would have gotten as far as he has done without her, her talents should be recognised.

There is no reason why Harry COULDN'T be a Head Boy but that doesn't mean that he WON'T. I think that he is very able and very willing but I don't think that he will become Head Boy because that is just too predictable (but I could be wrong).

For some reason, I don't think Harry could delegate authority as well as others. I don't know. I mean, sure he did well as the DA instructors but... I just can't see him handing out instructions and trying to keep first years and second years et al in check.

I agree Fairydust, I could see him unable to pass on any instructions because I see him slightly as a control freek when people are doing things that he is good at (not all the time and a good example to disprove my theory is Quidditch) but as soon as he "got control" of the DA he seemed to have no problem handing out instructions but as far as allowing others to do their thing he seemed to have more trouble.

And now harry has a lot to do and think about being a head boy would be a lot more precion on him now that he couldnt save sirius

Harry become Head Boy? No way. He hasn't even been a prefect yet.

Then how about Ron or Hermione? Nope. They were prefects but they weren't that good at it.

The only logical choice,

Draco Malfoy

Unlike Harry, Draco follows the rules and unlike Hermione and Ron, Draco obeys the orders of ALL the teachers without question (e.g. Umbridge). On top of all that, I think Draco would make the most interesting Head Boy anyway with Cho being Head Girl.

I certainly dont think that Draco could be a Head boy because he abuses his power adn dumbledore choses de head boy and girl so I hope that malfoy wont be a Head boy

I agree with Houler_7S. Malfoy head boy? nah ah. It just couldn't happen. Dumbledore wouldn't pick him. I think that Harry would be perfect for the Job. I think that he will prove himself to be able to handle more things, including being Head Boy, and possibly Quidditch Capt. He was a great leader in the DA and Dumbledore will probably notice this, maybe with the O.W.L. results of the DA members who knows. Poor Ron though. Beat once more by Famous Harry Potter!

How is a Head boy selected? Do we really know? We assume that it is the same as prefects, but I think the fact that being a prefect does not have that much of a relationship to Head Boy means that it might not be the same. I think it might be a vote of the teachers, in which I really can't see Harry NOT winning.

Malfoy won't get Head Boy, he abused his power too much. Ron's still a possibility but by the way his attended his duties in OoTP his chances become slimmer I think. Another boy from another house could get it but Harry has a good chance. Why?

DD would of chosen Harry to be Prefect but he had too many things to worry about. Even though he wasn't prefect, he would of been and thats a key thing when people disregard him not being a Prefect so therefore he can't be a Head Boy. I don't think either having the Dark Lord to think about will affect him being Head Boy as he would of been Prefect in OoTP.

Rowling said this was probably his most difficult year Harry had because there were people not believing what happened in GoF, he was getting trampled by the Daily Prophet throughout the year, he lost a loved one, got kicked off the Quidditch team by Umbridge and he was quite isolated. So he had a lot to deal with. But by book7 the only problem he'll have is the final battle with Dark Lord. Much of the things he had problems in OoTP with are resolved - people believe him now and is praised again by the wizarding world, he understands why the Dark Lord is after him, Umbridge is gone (thank god) so a lot is taken off his shoulders. So it won't be a difficult year as he had in OoTP, if he managed to have a relationship admist all the **** thrown at him then I don't see why he can't be Head Boy.

If it were teachers selecting the Head Boy & Head Girl, I dunno why this would go against Harry either. Mcgongall, Hagrid, Sprout (he did bring back Cedric's body), Hooch, Binns? Sinistra? would proabably all be in favour of Harry. The only one that is doubtful is Snape.

I'd be happy if either Harry or Ron or another person from another house got Head Boy e.g. Ernie McMillan as long as its not Malfoy. Notice the past Head Boys have been loyal and trustworthy e.g. Percy, Bill, James.

it would b really cool if harry becomes the head boy and anyway if he defeats LV who cares for NEWTs.he'll get a job without any difficulty

I think that he is very able and very willing but I don't think that he will become Head Boy because that is just too predictable (but I could be wrong).

We all knew that Hermione was going to be a prefect. The fact that it was "predictable" did not stop it from happening.

Harry become Head Boy? No way. He hasn't even been a prefect yet.

James wasn't a Prefect and he was Head Boy. Let's not put Harry out of the running just because he didn't receive a badge last summer. ;)

Then how about Ron or Hermione? Nope. They were prefects but they weren't that good at it.

It's hardly fair to say that they weren't good at it. They weren't exceptionally skilled at confronting Fred and George, but there were reasons other than incompetence behind this.

Unlike Harry, Draco follows the rules and unlike Hermione and Ron, Draco obeys the orders of ALL the teachers without question (e.g. Umbridge). On top of all that, I think Draco would make the most interesting Head Boy anyway with Cho being Head Girl.

Yes, but unlike Draco, Harry has never threatened another student with certain death. Not an admirable trait in a Head Boy.

I really have difficulty believing that Dumbledore would allow Malfoy to become Head Boy, especially after his antics in OotP. Yes, he followed Umbridge's instructions, but Umbridge was a total cow and Dumbledore won't respect Malfoy or hold him in higher esteem for conforming to Umbridge's demands. I would dare say that Dumbledore, and a fair proportion of the teaching staff, would have struck Draco Malfoy off their list of potential Head Boys too.

Unquestioning obedience isn't a good thing.

Yes, but unlike Draco, Harry has never threatened another student with certain death. Not an admirable trait in a Head Boy.

I really have difficulty believing that Dumbledore would allow Malfoy to become Head Boy, especially after his antics in OotP. Yes, he followed Umbridge's instructions, but Umbridge was a total cow and Dumbledore won't respect Malfoy or hold him in higher esteem for conforming to Umbridge's demands. I would dare say that Dumbledore, and a fair proportion of the teaching staff, would have struck Draco Malfoy off their list of potential Head Boys too.

Unquestioning obedience isn't a good thing.

I agree with that, Draco as head boy, i can see him pretty much handing the school over to Voldemort. No, Dumbledore will not make Draco head boy, because i doubt if Dumbly trusts him now, what with his father being who is, and it being public knowledge. To be honest i was rather suprised Malfoy was made prefect.

I agree with u Buckbeak, also Dumbledore would be crazy to make Draco head boy! I think that Harry has a better chance of getting head boy then he did of getting prefect.

DD would of chosen Harry to be Prefect but he had too many things to worry about. Even though he wasn't prefect, he would of been and thats a key thing when people disregard him not being a Prefect so therefore he can't be a Head Boy. I don't think either having the Dark Lord to think about will affect him being Head Boy as he would of been Prefect in OoTP.



Being Head Boy would also give him a bit of leeway he might need for the final confrontation. (I also think that the ability to apparate is going to figure heavily in 7th year). Plus he's also shown that he's a natural leader (the D.A.) and thinks well on his feet. AND the students are willing to follow him.


If it were teachers selecting the Head Boy & Head Girl, I dunno why this would go against Harry either. Mcgongall, Hagrid, Sprout (he did bring back Cedric's body), Hooch, Binns? Sinistra? would proabably all be in favour of Harry. The only one that is doubtful is Snape.

Oh Snape would definitely vote against Harry. He has a cover to maintain. .plus he hates James and Harry to much to overcome it

I'd be happy if either Harry or Ron or another person from another house got Head Boy e.g. Ernie McMillan as long as its not Malfoy. Notice the past Head Boys have been loyal and trustworthy e.g. Percy, Bill, James.

I'd be happier with Harry to be quite honest. And let us not forget that James wasn't a Prefect either but he did become Headboy.

Being Head Boy would also give him a bit of leeway he might need for the final confrontation. (I also think that the ability to apparate is going to figure heavily in 7th year). Plus he's also shown that he's a natural leader (the D.A.) and thinks well on his feet. AND the students are willing to follow him.

Exactly. Harry carries all the characteristics and talents that will be needed in these hard times. He holds overwhelming respect and exhibits skills which will be invaluable later on. Also, he is a natural leader. He is the perfect person to lead the hogwart's students through these times.

His effect on people is incorrible and hardly detrimental. Look at Ron. Do you seriously think he would have become as formidable if he didn't hang around Harry? Harry's very presence motivates and fills people with hope and confidence....therefore enhancing their performance. Neville is another excellent example.

Being so active in training "Junior Aurors" in the Head Boy position would be a positive affect for Harry. Look how the DA made him feel, now with something as large scale as this....hopefully it can present a confidence builder for him in a time where he'll need it. People say Ron needs the Head Boy spot...because he's in the "shadow" of Harry.....Well, that's true, but he isn't in a big of shadow as Harry is.

Also, Dumbledore made a mistake in not making Harry a prefect....and he knows it. He is too insightful and intelligent to do so again.

I think that Harry would make a very good Head Boy, and he certainly is qualified, but I'm not sure if he would want the responsibility. By his seventh year, he will be in deep with Voldemort and I'm not sure if he would want the extra repsonsiblity of being Head Boy. But then again, it would be good for his ego and his self-confidence.

I think that Harry would make a very good Head Boy, and he certainly is qualified, but I'm not sure if he would want the responsibility. By his seventh year, he will be in deep with Voldemort and I'm not sure if he would want the extra repsonsiblity of being Head Boy. But then again, it would be good for his ego and his self-confidence.

Good question :tu:

Harry is hardly inclined to do anything that would give him more attention...whether it's good for him or not. It's usually up to people like Hermione, Dumbledore, and Ron to convince him to do so. Just think of the DA club, did he want to do that? However, eventually he came to like, and embrace it as a main factor in his life which ultimately got him through his fifth year without "snapping" again. Considering being Head Boy is 2(DA) in every aspect....I think it'd be extremely helpful for him :)

Harry should definitely do it! We, as readers don't really know what being a head boy involvelves. Maybe he will have to do some special training. And perhaps, he would be able to see some other...more interesting parts of the hogwarts castle. :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

I really think that Ron will be headboy for the seventh year. I think what he saw in the Mirror of Erisid will come true. He already made the team and became prefect. Maybe that mirror scene part was giving hints to what will happen to Ron later on.

I think Ron has a good chance and will probably be headboy but i hope not. Such an attention seeking boy, who loves being in the quiddich team and loves being a prefect, has everything going for him and really really loves attention. Harry deserves it more.

Actually, Southern, I tend to think that Ron hasn't a very good chance at all. The only thing that goes his way is the Mirror of the Erised scene, and that is not a stable source of evidence. However, you're right, Harry is the one cut out for head boy :)

Maybe he will have to do some special training. And perhaps, he would be able to see some other...more interesting parts of the hogwarts castle.

Nice thoughts :tu: Harry being Head boy will definitely introduce us to more parts of the Castle. Harry as head boy, like the prefects, will undoubtably have to roam the halls (Like Percy was when he caught Harry and Ron as Crabbe and Goyle when using the Polyjuice Potion). This will indefinitely bring about some weird, yet highly fascinating magical encounters. I'm smiling with anticipation :D

I doubt Harry will be made Head Boy. The same reasons Dumbledore had for not making him a prefect apply here as well; besides which, he's already the Boy Who Lived, famous all over the wizarding world, and so on. He has enough attention centered on him already, and doesn't necessarily like being in the spotlight. Besides which--Harry as HB is just too obvious.

On the other hand, as much as I love Ron, I don't think it will be him either. I think JKR will totally surprise us with HB--Draco, Neville, or somebody else nobody was expecting. (I like the idea of it being Neville, myself. :D )

I strongly believe that Harry will become Head Boy.
The reasons for this is that a prefects duties are to help
other classmates and keep a certain watch over your house. A Head's job is to support the administration and help Dumbledore (or whoever else is in place).
Dumbledore will want Harry close to him not only because Harry can help him manage the school but also because they need to work closely together for protection of the school and well as things relating to Voldy.

Harry has managed the DA and proved a remarkable leader. He would receive achnoledgment from every1 except for Slytherin house. Being the Head of Dumbledore's Army and the Head boy of the school for Dumbledore are faily similar tasks, that require similar skills.

If not Harry then Nevilel would be cool.

First of all, well said cheeseheads :tu: :)

Secondly:

I doubt Harry will be made Head Boy. The same reasons Dumbledore had for not making him a prefect apply here as well; besides which, he's already the Boy Who Lived, famous all over the wizarding world, and so on. He has enough attention centered on him already, and doesn't necessarily like being in the spotlight. Besides which--Harry as HB is just too obvious.

Correct, the same reasons are apparent yet again, but the circumstances are different. I feel that Dumbledore truly regretted not giving Harry the Prefect status when he said it teary eyed at the end. It was a mistake, and Dumbledore knew it, he will not make the same one again. There's no denying it, despite further hardships Harry will face being nominated Head Boy, he's going to learn loads and gain skills that will undoubtably help him in the future. Harry is a reluctant leader, but acts when the time calls. Having him always have a designated leader position will help him refine these invaluable skills. There are many other benefits given by Harry carrying the mantle of Head Boy that I've listed in the first post :)

I think it would be best for the school in general if Harry were Head Boy. He would do the best job of protecting everybody. He's obvioulsy cut out to be a leader - just look at how well he did with the DA.

Harry definitely should be HB. He commands respect from all (no one jas done what he has done; even those who do not like him have to know that he has special powers).

The thinkg I will never understand is those who say that Ron deserves. Ron already got sloppy seconds on the prefect. And he did not take that job seriously. If anyone should get the chance it is Neville. The shy boy who stood up to the trio in PS/SS forever has my respect.

Actually, my money is on Ernie McMillan. From those 3 Prefect boys we saw "in action", I have no doubt he did the best job.

Harry doesn't deserve the Head Boy ship - he has done amazing, brave, brilliant things, true - but none of those things he has done have something to do with Head Boyness. I wouldn't be mad if he got it, though, I think it would be good for him.
Oh, and on Ron being Quidditch Captain - I don't think so. Not in the 6th year, at least, after only one good game.
But I hope he doesn't leave the team, it's obvious he's got it in him! :)

Love,
Eyrún

Actually, my money is on Ernie McMillan. From those 3 Prefect boys we saw "in action", I have no doubt he did the best job.


I agree. Ernie might be pompous and all (think Percy) but i think he has both substance and style. He is also a stickler for school rules and does not disregard authority like Ron and Harry.
Having Harry as HB and Hermione as HG would cause Ron to be even more jealous and left out. Also, its all very well to say Harry would make a good headboy after all that he's gone through but consider some of his qualities: reckless, unable to control his temper and loses his rationality at times. He only excels in things he enjoys and i think the pressure of HB would be great on him. He would constantly be in a dilemma. As we can tell from the pervious books,breaking school rules is like 2nd nature to him but as HB he has to set an example to others. He won't be able to shake of this rule-breaking urge easily.

Now what about Ron?? I doubt he'd make a gd HB either. A true leader wouldn't be afraid to stand up for what's right. and by being afraid to reprimand fred/george, he has already failed in this aspect. furthermore, he likes to bask in glory and would only want HB for the status it offers and not because he truly wants to help in running the school.
So my best bet would be ron remains a prefect, Harry Q captain, Hermione HG and some other xter as a HB (prob Ernie)

Harry doesn't deserve the Head Boy ship - he has done amazing, brave, brilliant things, true - but none of those things he has done have something to do with Head Boyness.....but consider some of his qualities: reckless, unable to control his temper and loses his rationality at times.

I'm going to have to disagree with you drastically on this one. I truly don't see how people can say Harry doesn't deserve this more then anyone. His entire character profile fits the job description. He is, as many have said, a natural leader. Yes, he is a reluctant leader, but he acts when the situation calls. When people are under his tutorage, they excell, instigated by the fact they have the most famous wizard in Britain leading them. But furthermore, he's human, he can relate to you, he isn't distant as some famous people turn out to be. When he's a leader, he's in his element, it's when he gets the most accomplished in situations where no others could have succeeded. Just look....at every climax in every book, there has been one point where Harry takes a leadership role....and the people who are with him do not object. Even Cedric Diggory did this, and he was a highly skilled 7th year. As it is, when Voldemort comes back and shows his full strength, they'll need a leader....Harry.

I'm going to have to disagree with you drastically on this one. I truly don't see how people can say Harry doesn't deserve this more then anyone. His entire character profile fits the job description. He is, as many have said, a natural leader. Yes, he is a reluctant leader, but he acts when the situation calls. When people are under his tutorage, they excell, instigated by the fact they have the most famous wizard in Britain leading them.

HB'ness isn't all about leadership. Harry does have a problem telling people off, and let's be honest, he doesn't play by the school rules.

But furthermore, he's human, he can relate to you, he isn't distant as some famous people turn out to be.

He's close to us since we happen to be inside his mind. Of course he knows his schoolmates, even Draco knows his schoolmates.

When he's a leader, he's in his element, it's when he gets the most accomplished in situations where no others could have succeeded. Just look....at every climax in every book, there has been one point where Harry takes a leadership role....and the people who are with him do not object. Even Cedric Diggory did this, and he was a highly skilled 7th year. As it is, when Voldemort comes back and shows his full strength, they'll need a leader....Harry.

Seriously now. Do you think that because Harry was made Head Boy, he'll save the world? He has shown time after time after time that he doesn't obey rules. He has a bad temper, and he takes it out on others.

And where does it state that HeadBoyship is all about leadership? Does it say anywhere what it's about, other than when Percy bagged the job?

Anyway, my money is on Ernie. At least he seems to be the one who do the job best, like Percy, who probably was a great HeadBoy minus the fact that he's a brat.

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Love,
Eyrún

We all know that Dumbledore didn't want to give Harry Prefect duties because he felt that Harry had enough to deal with already. Not because Harry would make a horrible prefect or anything; on the contrary Harry would probably have been made a prefect if it wasn't for that. And Dumbledore probably decided that because he thought that Harry himself wouldn't like it - he's got enough fame and glory and pressure as it is, and wouldn't want more.

But now we know that isn't true. Harry wanted to be a prefect, the first bit of honour he's actually wanted (apart from being on the quidditch team, if you could call that an honour). And Dumbledore probably realised that in the end, that instead of taking a load of Harry's shoulders, he put one more on. And so he'll probably make Harry Head Boy in the end.

I don't think Harry will be head boy. And he probably will not mind either. After all he's has been through in the last year, and now he knows that he has to kill voldemort himself, school stuff will seem trivial to seem.

Plus, if he had too much else to cope with to be a prefect, I think he will have far too much to cope with to be Head Boy. Dumbledore may start to prepare him for his confrontation with Voldemort, and he's bound to be in more danger now.

HB'ness isn't all about leadership. Harry does have a problem telling people off, and let's be honest, he doesn't play by the school rules.

True, but it isn't all about following rules either. Look at James :rolleyes:

He's close to us since we happen to be inside his mind. Of course he knows his schoolmates, even Draco knows his schoolmates.

I'm sorry, I should have clarified :) You misinterpretted what I was trying to say. I was just saying that considering he is the one who defeated the Greatest Wizard of all time....he's still just a kid. And because of it, the students can relate to him. This is obvious, I know, but it's still a factor. This is contrasted with, say, Moody. Who is famous for his work as an Auror, and is very intimidating, and therefore hard to relate to. That's what I was trying to get at.

Seriously now. Do you think that because Harry was made Head Boy, he'll save the world? He has shown time after time after time that he doesn't obey rules. He has a bad temper, and he takes it out on others.

Regardless....of course, you're right, Harry does have a bad temper, and does take it out on other people. However, being Head Boy, which is a prestigious spot to hold, will give Harry a sense of duty and give him a chance to refine his character's flaws.

More importantly, he'll have a person with him in the Head Girl spot that is fully capable of keeping Harry in check and making him follow the rules.....Hermione. :)

And where does it state that HeadBoyship is all about leadership? Does it say anywhere what it's about, other than when Percy bagged the job?

It's not! However, it's a big part, when done correctly. At least you can conceed with that, right? I'm saying that leadership will be needed now, more then ever, because of a few factors. Do you remember Harry's second year when all of the attacks were going on? The school was in total chaos, hardly anyone could give the students the comfort and reassurance they needed. Now that Voldemort is back, the chaos and fear will increase dramatically, therefore increasing the instability of the school. Dumbledore himself, as well as the sorting hat warned of Voldemort's ability of spreading discord and distrust. These imminent times call for a person who can handle the manipulations and subtle exploitation techniques of Voldemort, and be able to lend other's their confidence. To me, no other person is as qualified as Harry, besides Dumbledore. Furthermore, he holds qualities that will help him if he's chosen.....he gives heart to those around him, he lends help and reasurrance when needed, and he's ambitious when aroused. There really isn't anyone who comes close to Harry's capabilities in this particular aspect.

Also, I feel it prudent to point out that Harry will not be the Harry we know now when the time to pick the Head Boy comes around. By then he will be a stronger and wiser character. By acknowledging and overcoming the disaster of Sirius' death, Harry will have become stronger by doing so and aquired a good many insights because of it. Furthermore, coming into his seventh year, Harry will not be an underaged wizard. This has a variety of consequences. It means that Harry will be maturing into the powerful and potent wizard that we have seen only glimpses of. At the same time, it also conveys the message that Harry will not only be physically tougher, but more mentally sound. His temper will be controlled more. The Harry we've seen lately is not the one we've come to know. After a beloved one's death, one can do two things: One, never come to terms with what happened and therefore stunt character productivity. Or two, accept, acknowledge, and exploit what happened to become a more mature person in many aspects. In reality, Harry only has the second choice, his expectations and future would not allow the former.

-Ecthelion

True, but it isn't all about following rules either. Look at James :rolleyes:

That thing bothers me. Alot. James' Headboyship, when he has been shown to use his great magic to abuse and torment sutdent..well, OT. Just my ramble.



I'm sorry, I should have clarified :) You misinterpretted what I was trying to say. I was just saying that considering he is the one who defeated the Greatest Wizard of all time....he's still just a kid. And because of it, the students can relate to him. This is obvious, I know, but it's still a factor. This is contrasted with, say, Moody. Who is famous for his work as an Auror, and is very intimidating, and therefore hard to relate to. That's what I was trying to get at.

Yeah, I agree with that. But that doesn't make him the best HB candidat. If the most famous kid was picked because he's still just a kid, Draco's got a run for his money.



Regardless....of course, you're right, Harry does have a bad temper, and does take it out on other people. However, being Head Boy, which is a prestigious spot to hold, will give Harry a sense of duty and give him a chance to refine his character's flaws.

We don't even know Harry wants the HB spot. Let alone that he'd take care of it. Since he doesn't shy away from shouting at his friends because they don't do what he likes, what makes you think he'll behave differently towards complete strangers?

More importantly, he'll have a person with him in the Head Girl spot that is fully capable of keeping Harry in check and making him follow the rules.....Hermione. :)

Yes, because she kept his temper so well under control in OotP?
I knew there had to be a reason for his sweetness in that book :rolleyes:



It's not! However, it's a big part, when done correctly. At least you can conceed with that, right?

Actually, I'm not sure I can. We don't know what the HB does. Really, we know all about Prefects, but all we know is HBness is "important".
However, I belive you're right, so I'll conceed with that until I get more information about this precious spot :D



I doubt that's the HB's job. That's what teachers, nurses, Ol' Dumble and co. are for. Not just a student. This is a bit like the theory that Harry will teach DADA in his 7th year :D

[QUOTE}Furthermore, he holds qualities that will help him if he's chosen.....he gives heart to those around him, he lends help and reasurrance when needed, and he's ambitious when aroused. There really isn't anyone who comes close to Harry's capabilities in this particular aspect.

Actually, one springs to mind. Old Ernie.

Also, I feel it prudent to point out that Harry will not be the Harry we know now when the time to pick the Head Boy comes around. By then he will be a stronger and wiser character.

Will he be stronger mentally? We cannot know that, all we know is he has many more shocks to come to him, we do not know who will die, how, (will it be Harry's fault?), I wouldn't be suprised if Harry would have a larger temper, be more sensitive, though without a doubt he'll have seen more than enough for the HBship.

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Lots of love,
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We don't even know Harry wants the HB spot. Let alone that he'd take care of it. Since he doesn't shy away from shouting at his friends because they don't do what he likes, what makes you think he'll behave differently towards complete strangers?

We really didn't know Harry wanted the teaching position of the DA club either, yet he did splendidly. Like I said in my above post, the Harry we've seen is different then the one we knew. He's in an extremely difficult time and is trying to come to terms with what he has to do and what has been done. Therefore, he is irritable, rash, and explosive. He'll change though, he'll have to.

Yes, because she kept his temper so well under control in OotP?


No, but she did make him listen when other people didn't. She tried to help smooth the rough times and say what needs to be said in a way that no other person could do. She was the one who constantly kept Harry's conscience guilty as to make him do homework. In otherwords, she kept his priorities straight as much as she could.

Actually, one springs to mind. Old Ernie.

Could you perhaps give some evidence and explanations of how ernie qualifies better then what I said about Harry?:

I'm saying that leadership will be needed now, more then ever, because of a few factors. Do you remember Harry's second year when all of the attacks were going on? The school was in total chaos, hardly anyone could give the students the comfort and reassurance they needed. Now that Voldemort is back, the chaos and fear will increase dramatically, therefore increasing the instability of the school. Dumbledore himself, as well as the sorting hat warned of Voldemort's ability of spreading discord and distrust. These imminent times call for a person who can handle the manipulations and subtle exploitation techniques of Voldemort, and be able to lend other's their confidence. To me, no other person is as qualified as Harry, besides Dumbledore. Furthermore, he holds qualities that will help him if he's chosen.....he gives heart to those around him, he lends help and reasurrance when needed, and he's ambitious when aroused.

I doubt that's the HB's job. That's what teachers, nurses, Ol' Dumble and co. are for. Not just a student. This is a bit like the theory that Harry will teach DADA in his 7th year

Right, it's not the traditional job of the Head Boy....or is it? We really don't know the specifics of being Head Boy, so we're free to make assumptions :tu: However, Harry, when in a position to do so or not, doesn't back down when his instinct says he should act. Being Head Boy is no exception.

Will he be stronger mentally? We cannot know that, all we know is he has many more shocks to come to him, we do not know who will die, how, (will it be Harry's fault?), I wouldn't be suprised if Harry would have a larger temper, be more sensitive, though without a doubt he'll have seen more than enough for the HBship.

Actually, we kind of do. I stated this as well:

This has a variety of consequences. It means that Harry will be maturing into the powerful and potent wizard that we have seen only glimpses of. At the same time, it also conveys the message that Harry will not only be physically tougher, but more mentally sound. His temper will be controlled more. The Harry we've seen lately is not the one we've come to know. After a beloved one's death, one can do two things: One, never come to terms with what happened and therefore stunt character productivity. Or two, accept, acknowledge, and exploit what happened to become a more mature person in many aspects. In reality, Harry only has the second choice, his expectations and future would not allow the former.

If you have any questions about this portion of text, feel free to ask, I know I haven't particularly said what I wanted to say clearly :)

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Merry Christmas as well :) :agree:

He only excels in things he enjoys and i think the pressure of HB would be great on him. He would constantly be in a dilemma. As we can tell from the pervious books,breaking school rules is like 2nd nature to him but as HB he has to set an example to others. He won't be able to shake of this rule-breaking urge easily.
Voldemort has always been after him and Harry has always felt pressure in Quidditch, when starting the Da etc. But nooo the pressure of Hboyship is just too great for Harry Potter. Better stick with less pressuring tasks like being the only one capable of getting Voldy.

Ecthelion
True, but it isn't all about following rules either. Look at James
That was awesome. Perfect Rebuttle. James jinxes people in the hallways all the time, has a bad temper around certain people, sent Snape to his death and has insane adventures with the Marauders and yet becomes HB. But Harry is too much of a rule breaker huh. James must have gotten in due to his skill and Dumbledore must have a weak for putting future OotP members as HB or HG. Tell me why Harry isn't up to the task.


Honestly if soemthing dreadful happens to the school, who do you want as leader and HB? Harry or Ernie? Personally I'd like to take the guy who defeated the greatest dark wizard of all time, the one who stopped him again in PS/SS, the one who killed a basilik with no wand and so on...

I agree that Harry has a great chance of becoming Head boy. Dumbledore said that harry was not made a prefect because he thought he had too much pressure on him. I think dumbledore knows he made a mistake so he'll correct it by making harry the head boy.

Plus this openss up a lot of choices for jk. The students reactions and of course ron's reaction to finding out that harry was made head boy when he was never a prefect could be really interesting.

I don't know if he'll become head boy or not. I think it all depends on whether you have to have the best grades or good leadership skills to make head boy. If it's based on leadership that Harry defintely.

Actually it really depends on the criteria for HB. I would say that you need a mixture of both grades,leadership and to a certain extent the ability to command respect.
Grades: Harry's doing fine in school but he really could do better. I would say that he's not as naturally smart as his father,Sirius or Hermione.

Leadership: Unquestionable. He has proven time and again his capability of defeating Voldermort and also leading the DA. But really, being HB does not equate to leading the school to fight dark wizards all the time. Its also about being able to run the school efficiently and being able to put up with taunts and challenges to his authority. Harry didn't really react very well to Zacharias Smith did he?

Ability to command respect: this is controversial. he would undoubtedly get the support of his fellow Gryffindors but can u say the same for all 3 houses?

All in all, if Harry can overcome all these obstacles than i say bring it on. But i daresay most of you are putting too much faith in him.

I daresay many of you are not putting enough faith in him. I thought he handled Smith very well in their first DA class.

The probability of the boys to be made Head Boy.
Harry-40%
Malfoy-30%
Ron-25%
Someone others-5%

I think Ernie Macmillian will be head boy and Hermione is the head girl... As DD said Harry have too much responsibility to be bothered by being head boy... i mean he must also think of a way to kill Voldie right???

yes. Eventhough what you are saying angel14 makes sense, I mean thats why Dumbledore didnt make him headboy in ootp.

Harry as HB and Hermione as HG would simply be too good to be true. It would be a perfect pairing for Harry/Herm shippers. :D I think many of us would like Harry to be HB simply because he's the hero of the book and that we have rooted for him from day one. Naturally most would want the coveted position to go to him.
But well, he simply has too much too handle right now. I think the best position for him would be Q captain..he would excel in that,i'm sure.

I doubt Macmillan will be HB, he is just pompous and clever and hard working. It will probably be someone like Harry, Ron or Malfoy, more interesting and for the plot.

I think the best position for him would be Q captain..he would excel in that,i'm sure.

That's correct, he would excell in that position. But would that really be what he needs?

I think a lot of you are making the same mistake Dumbledore did. He was too compassionate towards his charge, and bent the decisions he knew he needed to make around those emotions. The consequences of doing so are disastrous, just read that last part of Order of the Phoenix. Some people here say it will be "too much" for Harry and that it would "complicate his life more then needed". True. But didn't Dumbledore think and state these very same words before he made his crucial and monstrous mistake? Yes. And that is the reason Dumbledore will make Harry Head Boy, it is an important building block in Harry's life, it will help him prepare for the future. Harry will develop the necissary skills needed to lead an exceptionally dangerous life that only being Head Boy could give him.


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Furthermore, upon reading the Third book once more, I find it prudent to point this particular instance out:

Pg. 162 Prisoner of Azkaban

"The teachers and I need to conduct a thorough search of *** castle," Professor Dumbledore told them as Professors McGonagall and Flitwick closed all doors into the hall. "I'm afraid that, for your own safet, you will have to spend the night here. I want the prefects to stand guard over the entrances to the hall and I am leaving the Head Boy and Girl in charge. Any disturbance should be reported to me immediately," he added to Percy, who was looking immensely proud and important....


Alright, now tell me, in a situation such as that, where a highly skilled wizard could potentially attack your whole student body.....who would you trust in this position more because of their skills, disposition, and experience? Harry, or Ernie? :)

good point, etchelion. harry IS more responsible...

and based on the past head boys and girls that we know of, theyve been all/mostly gryffindors, havent they??? now, im not insinuating that being a gryffie is a requirement, merely a pattern.

at first, i agreed with someone who posted earlier that if harry and hermi were hb and hg, ron would be left out, but if ron were somehow made Q captain, rather than our favoritefor that position (harry), i dont think he would feel so left out.

I don't think he will be head boy because

1. he wasn't a prefect
2. people would be mad
3. Dumbledore thought Harry had enough to worry about to not be prefect and head boy would be way more responsibility
4. there are better candidates than Harry that are all about following the rules, and that what a head boy seems to be

at first, i agreed with someone who posted earlier that if harry and hermi were hb and hg, ron would be left out, but if ron were somehow made Q captain, rather than our favoritefor that position (harry), i dont think he would feel so left out.

Well said :)

Quidditch, though it once was Harry's favorite part of the wizarding world (and still is) has moved down in priorities. In otherwords, we'll see a downgrade of quidditch action and attraction from Harry. Will he still be in it? Of course, but it won't be on his thoughts as much as it was in his third year. This last year was a harsh reality for Harry. His future is exceedingly rough and will require all his skill and knowledge for him to succeed. The gaining of the necissary tools begins now, at school, and the teachers and Dumbledore know this. Harry needs to be prepared. After all, he's going to be in a showdown with the Darkest wizard of all time where the loser meets death. Obviously, when faced with this reality, as he is now, it will blur out any other aspects of his life that cannot really contribute to it. Quidditch happens to be one of those aspects.

However, Ron has none of those side-distractions. He has literally obsessed himself with quidditch since he was a little boy and now (when he is given the quidditch captain title) will be able to embrace and exploit it. Ron, who has never liked and upheld the true qualities of prefects (read book five for examples, lol) would thoroughly enjoy being quidditch captain more then Head Boy.

I admit I have feelings on both sides of this issue. I'm hesitant to think Harry's the best person for the job because of what everyone has said and what we all know about his disregard for rules and having too much on his mind b/c of Voldy.

BUT...

The little we know of Head Boys (we know James and Bill Weasley were HBs, but the only one we have seen in action is Percy, and we see how he turned out) is all about rules and keeping students in line. While I'm sure that's a large portion of the job, I doubt it is Dumbledore's intention for that to be the focus. In life, people who get all wrapped up in rules and protocol tend to get on power trips (i.e. Ernie, Percy, etc.) and forget about what really matters. They can disregard people's needs, fears, feelings, etc. and are not very understanding. Is that the kind of person we want leading Hogwarts students during the Second War?

I think Bill is a good example of what HB should be, and what Harry could be if DD put faith in him and he put faith in himself. Bill was a great student, natural leader, and a responsible person. But he is also compassionate, with a rebellious streak (gotta love the long hair and earring!).

But if your idea of a good HB is someone who goes strictly by the book, then I guess Ernie or someone else would be the better choice. I doubt it will be Malfoy (his dad's in Azkaban!!!) and I have my reasons for Ron and Neville. So who knows...

I think Bill is a good example of what HB should be, and what Harry could be if DD put faith in him and he put faith in himself. Bill was a great student, natural leader, and a responsible person. But he is also compassionate, with a rebellious streak (gotta love the long hair and earring!).
Totally agree. You have to be able to see past rules and regulations.

Ok, about Percy. I can agree that Ernie is a lot more closer to Percy's "type" than Harry; pompous and rule-following and pretty ambitious, but we don't know which people Dumbledore had to choose between the year Percy was Head Boy. It's possible that Percy was chosen and best for the job that year since there wasn't anyone better, not because he was the ideal Head Boy-type. I don't think Dumbledore can choose not to have a Head Boy one year because there isn't anyone who fill the criterias well enough.

So Harry does have a chance.

Nice thoughts you two :tu:

So Harry does have a chance.

Naturally, and a very good one at that :) It is true we really don't have a lot to work on to decipher exactly what criteria is needed for Head Boy. However, as with everything else, since Voldemort is back, things are going to change. Perhaps Head Boy criteria (if it isn't already requesting leadership skills and experience rather then rule-following) is going to be changed as well.

I wonder if there are written-down criterias for Head boys and girls and prefects. I think it's more all-around stuff that the headmasters notice, sort of like when prefects are chosen here at CoS.
I'll bet that the different "types" of Head Boys and Head Girls have varied through the years, depending on which Headmasters there has been. When Phinellus Nigelas (or whatever his name is) was headmaster, he probably chose different people to be Head Boy and Head Girl, than Dumbledore would have done, since he valued different things.

And since Dumbledore seems to value good leadership and responsibility over things such as a spot-less record, Harry seems to be well on his way into getting the Head Boy badge.

I think that Harry has a good chance of being HB, he is only 15 and see what he had done!more than anyone else in the school, he deserves to be HB, and I'll be glad to see him as HB with Hermione. Harry is also more responsable than Ron or others Gryff. boys
About the Quidditch captain, well I don't think that Harry will be QC, Quidditch had become less important since POA: in GOF we see Quidditch only during the Quidditch worl cup, in ootp Harry was banned. and come on, there's a war and quidditch had to be less important to Harry, I mean he still likes it ut is not so important as it was before. On the other hand we have Ron, who is quite obssesed about Quidditch, will be more happy to be Quidditch captain than HB. it seems that ron doesn't like to much his position of prefect during ootp, right? Hermione was also quite annoyed by this.
I hope I don't sound too confusing!...english is not my first language, to be more clear:I see Harry as Head Boy and Ron as Quidditch Captain.


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Furthermore, upon reading the Third book once more, I find it prudent to point this particular instance out:
Pg. 162 Prisoner of Azkaban
"The teachers and I need to conduct a thorough search of *** castle," Professor Dumbledore told them as Professors McGonagall and Flitwick closed all doors into the hall. "I'm afraid that, for your own safet, you will have to spend the night here. I want the prefects to stand guard over the entrances to the hall and I am leaving the Head Boy and Girl in charge. Any disturbance should be reported to me immediately," he added to Percy, who was looking immensely proud and important....
Alright, now tell me, in a situation such as that, where a highly skilled wizard could potentially attack your whole student body.....who would you trust in this position more because of their skills, disposition, and experience? Harry, or Ernie?

'Course Harry ;)

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God forbid Malfoy become head boy! I don't care who becomes head boy as long as he doesn't get it. Even Neville but not Draco. Personally I think that Harry deserves it and Rowling needs to give Harry a break. He deserves some recognition, some positive recognition.

I doubt Macmillan will be HB, he is just pompous and clever and hard working. It will probably be someone like Harry, Ron or Malfoy, more interesting and for the plot.
Yes but as you stated the qualities of Ernie Macmillian... he is best qualified headboy... as for Malfoy being the headboy, I doubt that DD will give him more authority as he have already abused being a prefect... As for Ron, I think he'll be the quidditch captain...

Yeah!!! I doubt that Harry will be having much of a participation on Hogwarts, I mean the burden of being a murderer or a victim is hard enough to handle. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see him as HB but under the circumstances it's really not good to give Harry more responsibility as he carries the BIGGEST responsibility of all... killing Voldermort.

Yeah!!! I doubt that Harry will be having much of a participation on Hogwarts, I mean the burden of being a murderer or a victim is hard enough to handle. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see him as HB but under the circumstances it's really not good to give Harry more responsibility as he carries the BIGGEST responsibility of all... killing Voldermort.

Perhaps giving more responsibility will, in turn, help him cope and deal with yet another responsibility? :)

I think that Harry will be a prefect in his sixth year and head boy in his seventh. Hermione will be head girl.

I don't think prefects are chosen out of the 6th years, star22. Otherwise Harry would definately be chosen though, I agree with you there.

Yeah, Harry as Head Boy and Hermione as Head Girl - very possible (but wouldn't it be funny if Hermione didn't become Head Girl - she's the one person almost everyone "knows" is going to get that honour).

I would prefer that neither Ron nor Harry get the position...what if Neville got it? Call me crazy, but look at how he changed during Book Five...it's not implausible that he could go a step further and begin standing up to people more during Book Six, and gain leadership skills, etc.

I also think Neville would be more objective, and be willing to look at all four houses more fairly than either Ron or Harry would...and I love the idea of the "school loser" proving everyone wrong and getting one of the most coveted positions in the end. :elaugh:

I would prefer that neither Ron nor Harry get the position...what if Neville got it? Call me crazy, but look at how he changed during Book Five...it's not implausible that he could go a step further and begin standing up to people more during Book Six, and gain leadership skills, etc.

I also think Neville would be more objective, and be willing to look at all four houses more fairly than either Ron or Harry would...and I love the idea of the "school loser" proving everyone wrong and getting one of the most coveted positions in the end. :elaugh:


you know that could be possible :)
Since JKR loves to surprise us. Why not? Neville could be up for the job.
He needs to prove himself too.

I don't think Harry needs all the "trouble" burdening his shoulders and like Dumbledore said, he didnt want Harry as prefect because of all that is happening in his life. YEah, it seemed lots of people are changing in book 5 too.

Yes, Neville is definitely my second choice. And if it weren't for Harry being totally wronged in the Prefect choosing and a couple other various reasons, he'd be my first. But I still stick to my pretense of having Harry as Head Boy :)

of course i think harry will obtain the position...

i think if they gave it to neville it would be for "confidence boosting" reasons. but with the given situations in the wizard world, i think DD will take the positions a lil more seriously...he needs someone that will defend other students...that is if they have the positions at all in the next book

We have never been told how the prefect system works. Percy was a prefect in his 5th and 6th year, and Head Boy in his 7th. Hagrid once told Harry that his parents were head girl and boy. We know from book 5 that Lupin was a prefect in his fifth year, and James wasn't. So that implies this: You don't have to be a prefect for two years to be Head Boy. James may have never been a prefect, and still was Head Boy. So maybe Harry will become Head Boy also, even though he was not a prefect in his 5th year.

I don't think that Harry will be Head Boy just because he has enough to be dealing with at the moment since Voldemort is back. I think that Hermoine will definitely be Head Girl and the guy from Ravenclaw will be Head Boy.

Aren't Head boy and girl usually the ones with the top grades in school?

Read the above posts Kaonashi, there's already been some intense discussions regarding your very question :)

Plus, there has been some very good reasons put for why Harry should get the Head Boy spot and why the Ravenclaw person should not. :tu: However, you're entitled to your opinion so say what you want :agree:

i always in the back of my mind figured he and hermione would be head boy and girl. i wonder if that is frowned upon, that is they are not unknown to be friendly with dd, hermione top of class and harry.... well thats ovious!

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i always in the back of my mind figured he and hermione would be head boy and girl. i wonder if that is frowned upon, that is they are not unknown to be friendly with dd, hermione top of class and harry.... well thats ovious!

Well, I always in the back of my mind thought that Harry would be prefect, but I was wrong! (Even though our little Ronniekins deserved it :))

Harry's got what it takes to be Head Boy. People respect him and will listen to him (with the exception of the Slytherins) and he's already shown leadership qualities. The only thing is... will Harry be up to being Head Boy? Dumbledore didn't make him prefect because he knew things would be tough on him, and things are only going to get worse. Will he want the responsibilty of being Head Boy on top of everything else?

I liked the idea of Neville being Head Boy... I had never thought of that! That would be kind of funny. :p