The All-Inclusive HBP Thread, v.12

I'm really liking these calendar pictures!

Great pictures!

Luna's lion hat and her hair blend almost seamlessly. I'd love to see that one in high definition! :lol:

The lion hat is awesome!!

And yes, the Carrows are brother and sister in the books, so unless there is incest going on...we have no idea idea why there are kids with the same last name (but Slytherins do like to keep their blood pure ;))

Anyways, as we doubt there are 3 groups of twins (including the Patil's) we are assuming these girls are the Carrows. And it kinda makes sense since Slughorn was the Slytherin head of house, and the Carrows were probably part of the SlugClub back then (was that mentioned in the book :hmm:) so their kids would follow most likely follow in their footsteps.


Uhm... IF the Carrows appear on a WANTED poster, they would have been imprisoned before 1982 (since all DE's partaking in the Ministry raid were captured, c.f. Lucius), which would in turn mean that these girls, who look quite young, would have been born in prison :hmm: Also, IF they were supposed to be the kids of either Carrow sibling, it wouldn't make sense that Slughorn shies away from Draco so much - despite his dad being a 'favourite' with Slughorn (Draco says so and it makes sense, because young Lucius would just have been in Slughorn's favourite target group), he doesn't make it into the club because Slughorn is scared to associate himself with Death Eaters.

Haha! I think lcbaseball22 could quote me on this, because I thought the exact same thing about Slughorn's expression. Frankly I am suprised at all the of rave reviews about him. I thought this was his predominating expression and it not only seemed out of character with the books, for the movie it did not make sense either. Given the fact that he surrounds himself with powerful wizards, displays of magic like the one he is witnessing from Dumbledore (who is fixing/cleaning the trashed room) should not appear so unbelievable to him.


The following comment is merely my interpretation of the book scene, but - it makes sense to me that Slughorn, through the entire scene, looks uneasy and scared, and not because of some particular spell that Dumbledore uses, but simply because he is THERE. Slughorn has been at pains to keep out of the whole wizarding world and its struggles since Voldemort's return. The mere fact that DD has found him and talks to him now should be highly unsettling to Slughorn - it means that he was tracked down; if DD can do it, why shouldn't LV manage the same? Also - at least subconsciously, Slughorn is aware of his own involvement in the Horcrux business, which should make him feel even more uncomfortable BECAUSE it is something he rather not wants to deal with. Finally - Harry is there, the living reminder of his mother, the living reminder of Voldemort NOT being gone due to something Slughorn once said etc. The bottomline - I always imagined Slughorn to be reluctant and frightened in this scene.

Sanguini the vampire is to the left and to the right is most likeley Elfred Worlpe (or whatever his name was) that wanted to write Harry's biography and wrote Sanguini's

Could this be the guy that we talked about who looked (on the first pic we got) like 'a Seventies rocker'? I'm merely going by the moustache, obviously.

As a sidenote - I LOVE Sanguini's looks there. He really works for me as the flamboyant vampire ;)

Why are you grumbling about that? :huh:

for the vampire had been edging toward the nearby group of girls, a rather hungry look in his eye.

That'd be a detail from canon...
Yeah, but I don't wanna see my Lunakins get hurt:no:

It's great to at least get photos. Some of them were really awesome. But I'm going to be nitpicky ... George and Ginny have BROWN hair! How did that happen?

It's great to at least get photos. Some of them were really awesome. But I'm going to be nitpicky ... George and Ginny have BROWN hair! How did that happen?

Haha -- I hear you. I know when my dad was that age he had FIRE red hair and as he grew older it turned brown. Can we blame it on aging? ;)

It is nice to get photos and it's even more refreshing that Heyman said that they are TOTALLY up for revamping spots that seem slow, confusing, out of place, etc. That gives me a lot of hope that this could turn out great.

What confused me is that Heyman said that the Battle of Hogwarts is left out -- so I'm assuming that the pic with Bella on one of the tables of the great hall screaming/looking menacing will most likely be left out? I was looking forward to Bella wreaking havoc on Hogwarts but it's okay -- I'm sure there will be something that makes up for it.

I like that they are releasing all these photos but we're not going to have any movie left to watch come July 09! :-/

What confused me is that Heyman said that the Battle of Hogwarts is left out -- so I'm assuming that the pic with Bella on one of the tables of the great hall screaming/looking menacing will most likely be left out? I was looking forward to Bella wreaking havoc on Hogwarts but it's okay -- I'm sure there will be something that makes up for it.

From what I've gathered from comments from the test filming, that Bella scene will be in there. There is no "Battle of Hogwarts", but the DEs run amok as the leave the castle. So, they don't really fight people, they just cause havoc.


I like that they are releasing all these photos but we're not going to have any movie left to watch come July 09! :-/

We can just paste them all together and flip through them really quickly so they look like they are moving.

On Luna's hat, it reminds me of a lion costume I saw a kid wearing last Hallowe'en (except that the lion costume went to his feet. It kind of looked like he had beeb eaten by a stuffed animal). That's not how I envisioned her hat. I'm not sure how it can roar when her head looks like it's in its mouth, but it is an awesome looking hat (I envinsioned a lion head on a hat that would open it's mouth and roar). I want to see her Slughorn party dress in movement.

Haha -- I hear you. I know when my dad was that age he had FIRE red hair and as he grew older it turned brown. Can we blame it on aging? ;)

It is nice to get photos and it's even more refreshing that Heyman said that they are TOTALLY up for revamping spots that seem slow, confusing, out of place, etc. That gives me a lot of hope that this could turn out great.

What confused me is that Heyman said that the Battle of Hogwarts is left out -- so I'm assuming that the pic with Bella on one of the tables of the great hall screaming/looking menacing will most likely be left out? I was looking forward to Bella wreaking havoc on Hogwarts but it's okay -- I'm sure there will be something that makes up for it.

I like that they are releasing all these photos but we're not going to have any movie left to watch come July 09! :-/
Yeah, I was wondering about the brown hair thing too. WB has a thing for brown hair. Tonks, Fred, Ginny. Why not just give Voldemort brown hair?
http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w337/Acunis44/Voldermortimage.jpg

Yeah, I was wondering about the brown hair thing too. WB has a thing for brown hair. Tonks, Fred, Ginny. Why not just give Voldemort brown hair?

Maybe that's why the film was delayed. They are still trying to perfect the CGI program to give Voldie just the right kind of brown hair. Otherwise, it might like he had a bad toupe. Can't have that. Whose going to take him seriously then? Dude has already had his butt handed to him by a baby, a 13 year old and an 100+ year old man. It's not going to take much more before the DEs start putting whoopie cushions on his chair. He needs hair with credibility or no hair at all, I say.

The brown hair on Ginny is a little odd. One of the call sheets that leaked listed that Bonnie was to have her hair dyed that day. Did they dye it brown? Or is her hair naturally brown and they didn't notice until half-way through principle photography?

This is gonna be awsome! I didn't know that Harry Potter movies sometimes have parts in 3D! What scenes do you think will be in 3D?

This is gonna be awsome! I didn't know that Harry Potter movies sometimes have parts in 3D! What scenes do you think will be in 3D?

If I should make a guess, I'd say the cave scene. Last time, it was the Battle in the Ministry.

This is gonna be awsome! I didn't know that Harry Potter movies sometimes have parts in 3D! What scenes do you think will be in 3D?

They said it was split between the beginning and the end, so I am thinking the Millenium Bridge for the start and the Cave onwards for the end.

I didn't get to go see OotP in 3D :( I really want to go see HBP in it :D

They said it was split between the beginning and the end, so I am thinking the Millenium Bridge for the start and the Cave onwards for the end.

I didn't get to go see OotP in 3D :( I really want to go see HBP in it :D

In Ireland, I have never seen a 3D film. Never, not once. I just don't think the cinemas in my town have the capabilities for it. Is it really that good? I'd love to see it, obviously, but it won't happen for quite a long time still, I imagine. Millennium Bridge in 3D would look really great- or at least, I imagine it that way.. :)

In Ireland, I have never seen a 3D film. Never, not once. I just don't think the cinemas in my town have the capabilities for it. Is it really that good? I'd love to see it, obviously, but it won't happen for quite a long time still, I imagine. Millennium Bridge in 3D would look really great- or at least, I imagine it that way.. :)

I have never been to a 3D movie either. There is only one (actually now I think 2 or 3) 3D cinemas in my country and they are all in my city (to my knowledge) luckily :). I REALLY want to see HBP in 3D, but I'll probably end up seeing it normally like I did with OotP

Would a showing at an IMAX theater be in 3D? If the answer is yes, I saw OotP in both a 3D and regular theater within 24 hours...and could not say it made a hugely different impression the second time. The biggest difference I felt between the two viewings was actually all about the sound.

Probably proving I am a special effects philistine, oh well. :blush:

I have never been to a 3D movie either. There is only one (actually now I think 2 or 3) 3D cinemas in my country and they are all in my city (to my knowledge) luckily :). I REALLY want to see HBP in 3D, but I'll probably end up seeing it normally like I did with OotP
You never saw Spy Kids 3D?

On Luna's hat, it reminds me of a lion costume I saw a kid wearing last Hallowe'en (except that the lion costume went to his feet. It kind of looked like he had beeb eaten by a stuffed animal). That's not how I envisioned her hat. I'm not sure how it can roar when her head looks like it's in its mouth, but it is an awesome looking hat (I envinsioned a lion head on a hat that would open it's mouth and roar). I want to see her Slughorn party dress in movement.

Yeah I agee with you. I was rather disappointed with Luna's hat. I was assuming that if they showed it at all it would be Cgi'ed to be a roaring lion on her head. Oh well. They still may well do that but something tells me they won't.

As for OOTP in 3D, I too, saw it in 3D and I was rather unimpressed. It did not really jump out at you the way 3D should. My roommate and I actually found it to be difficult to see, as it was very blurry.

I too am picky about 3D though as I create photographs in 3D. If any of you own a pair of red and blue glasses take a look at my creations- http://www.flickr.com/photos/rachelzander/sets/72157603896223591/

As for OOTP in 3D, I too, saw it in 3D and I was rather unimpressed. It did not really jump out at you the way 3D should. My roommate and I actually found it to be difficult to see, as it was very blurry.

3d movies as of late are pretty much just **** in general.
all my friends saw dark knight and they didnt like it.
oh and the last person posting. the pics are pretty sweet

3d movies as of late are pretty much just **** in general.
all my friends saw dark knight and they didnt like it.
oh and the last person posting. the pics are pretty sweet


Thank you!!!

Maybe the movies would be better if they would just go back to the old fashioned red and blue 3d. I know the color gets messed up but it works so much better!

Cormac looks like I pictured him ironically enough, but Blaize looks more....good looking I guess. The confrontation between Ron and Cormac looks promising if only to give Ron some more screen time and meatier material, but in all honestly I do not like those helmets and new uniforms for the Quidditch. Too American.

As for the Luna Lion Hat I quite like it and with the CGI work to make it roar think it will look really good once the final bits are added and polished and if these new batch of pics are anything to go by Luna is indeed the best cast character out of the series so far imo.

Cormac looks like I pictured him ironically enough, but Blaize looks more....good looking I guess. The confrontation between Ron and Cormac looks promising if only to give Ron some more screen time and meatier material, but in all honestly I do not like those helmets and new uniforms for the Quidditch. Too American.

As for the Luna Lion Hat I quite like it and with the CGI work to make it roar think it will look really good once the final bits are added and polished and if these new batch of pics are anything to go by Luna is indeed the best cast character out of the series so far imo.

I totally agree. Luna is, in my opinion, the best character in the movies. I believe, though, it is because Evanna really understands the character she plays.
*sighs*
If only Gambon understood his character even half as well as she does...

As a side note, Blaze's voice is very sexy...

As for the Luna Lion Hat I quite like it and with the CGI work to make it roar think it will look really good once the final bits are added and polished and if these new batch of pics are anything to go by Luna is indeed the best cast character out of the series so far imo.

Just to clear things up, as I think there is slight confusion over if Luna's hat roars or not, it will indeed, as evidenced by this script leak:

As the CROWD SCREAMS, Harry eyes the Gryffindor section, where Luna's LION HAT ROARS, Lavender CLAPS for Ron and Hermione sits with her arms crossed, a look of supreme annoyance on her face. Harry grins, jets off.

The Imax 3D WAS AMAZING!!! Everyhing that was real (such as the actors) wasn't impressive because they were flat but just positioned in a 3 dimensional way. But everything that was cgi was incredibly real. The Thestrals were literally real, and at one point I wanted to put my hand out and touch him. Which means that the inferi should be a lot more frightening because they'll be cgi and it will feel more like they're actually there to get you. But anything that itsn't made up entirely with computer graphics is not impressive. This is why Avatar is costing James Cameron so much money. Because he's shotting the actors in a way where he wil then motion capture them in order to replicate the 3d layering of humans so that they too can seem like they're ACTUALLY THERE when you're viewing the movie with the glasses. I will say this though, it does give you a headache after you take the glasses off.

When I take 3D pictures I use two pictures shot with one camera. I put the camera to my right eye and snap the photo then to my left and snap the photo. But filming a 3D movie is done differently.
I was under the impression that 3D movies are shot with a special camera which has two lenses that captures slightly different angles, one angle for the viewers right eye and one for the left eye. To me it felt that the OOTP 3D camera was poorly callibrated to capture this well. But I am most definitely no expert in 3D filming. I could be totally wrong.

Eitherway, I do hope you are right and the 3D HBP will be better. The inferi scene would be very cool in 3D, although it was cool enough without.

OotP and other films with 3D portions are neat, but I haven't been wowed by any yet. OotP was a little dizzying during the ministry battle and it was actually harder to follow than on regular film, IMHO.

The only other thing aside from movies that I've seen in 3D is U2 3D and everything else has paled in comparison. That was awesome and the way 3D should look. It really felt like you could reach out and touch them...

So I hope HBP is a bit better, as I probably will end up seeing it in 3D the first time, unless I try for a midnight show in a less crowded (Ha!) place.

I don't think I will even have a chance to see a midnight show.. They're not exactly the most common thing in the world, and why would a cinema in this town open with that kind of party?! :D But oh well, daytime will suffice! ;)

I don't think I will even have a chance to see a midnight show.. They're not exactly the most common thing in the world, and why would a cinema in this town open with that kind of party?! :D But oh well, daytime will suffice! ;)

Being where I am there will be a few to choose from. :) I haven't been to a party like midnight show, so I'm probably going to do it for this movie. The 3D IMAX one is going to likely be insane. :lol:

As for which scenes they'll choose to show in 3D... I would think the cave scene escape would be a given...

I saw OOTP in imax 3D. It was pretty awesome! As soon as the DA left for the ministry they had us put on our glasses and we were off. The thestrals seemed so real, and you really felt like you were soaring thru the air with them with Luna on one side and Harry on the other.

I can't wait to do the same for HBP.

I have been gone for a while so you will excuse me for yaying about stuff which is not news to you anymore.

First of all let me say that ....WHOOT!
I simply love Luna´s hat. I dont know if it will roar or not, even if evidence suggests it will, I love how it looks. I t is quite different from how I pictured it but it looks awesome.

Next, I will say I love how Evana is in more than one pic, a lot of Luna can never be bad, and even though having her in more than one pic does not mean having a lot of her in the film , it definetly means we will be getting some of her at least, which IMO is great.

I also need to say I like how they have Ginny included in several images and it does call my attention she is wearing green again . They have without a doubt found out this color makes her look good.

I need to say also Mclaggen gives me the impression of being a total Big Head just from that expression he has in the pic which is good, isn´t it?

And Romilda looks nice, somehow I had pictured Romilda as a total troll, but that might have just been me.:whistle:

I asked Rachezee about how well she thought the Harry/Dumbledore relationship was developed over the course of the film, her answer really interested me and I wanted to discuss it here. Here is her reply:

There are a lot of one liners and subtleties that we have never seen before between DD and Harry in this film. They are very effective at showing a confort and friendship between the two. At one point DD delicately asks Harry about his relationship with hermione. Harry makes it clear they are just best friends.

So Dumbledore asks Harry about his relationship with Hermione. I have a feeling that this was a substitute line for the line Rowling told them to cut because Dumbledore is gay where Dumbledore recounts about 'a girl he once liked' or something. Thinking about that again after learning more about the film gives me the impression that Dumbledore would have delivered this line when he picked Harry up from the cafe where he is flirting with the waitress. I hypothesize that in an earlier draft of the script Dumbledore would have been inside the cafe to witness Harry flirting with her and comment about how she reminds him of a girl he used to fancy.

But that is changed now because Rowling revealed Dumbledore is gay and it is my guess that they still wanted to use the romance-talk angle to deepen the Harry/Dumbledore relationship and have replaced the other line with this line about Harry/Hermione. I'm not too keen about this idea to use the romance angle as a factor to build-up the closeness between hero student and teacher, I think this tactic would have worked a little better with Sirius because Sirius seems more the 'cool hip godfather ladies man, that you could ask for advice about girls' than Dumbledore.

Does this sound a little out of character for Dumbledore? I had the impression that Dumbledore had always watched the trio closely and understood them all quite clearly and would know that Harry and Hermione's relationship was purely platonic, but I guess its just a little nitpick. They have made far harsher adaptations to these characters.

What do you all think about this new development? Did the filmmakers put this in to finally make it clear to audiences that Harry and Hermione will not end up together (especially since some reviews have noted that Dan and Emma have such chemistry together in this movie)? Do you think it will help develop the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore in this movie?

I asked Rachezee about how well she thought the Harry/Dumbledore relationship was developed over the course of the film, her answer really interested me and I wanted to discuss it here. Here is her reply:

There are a lot of one liners and subtleties that we have never seen before between DD and Harry in this film. They are very effective at showing a confort and friendship between the two. At one point DD delicately asks Harry about his relationship with hermione. Harry makes it clear they are just best friends.

So Dumbledore asks Harry about his relationship with Hermione. I have a feeling that this was a substitute line for the line Rowling told them to cut because Dumbledore is gay where Dumbledore recounts about 'a girl he once liked' or something. Thinking about that again after learning more about the film gives me the impression that Dumbledore would have delivered this line when he picked Harry up from the cafe where he is flirting with the waitress. I hypothesize that in an earlier draft of the script Dumbledore would have been inside the cafe to witness Harry flirting with her and comment about how she reminds him of a girl he used to fancy.

But that is changed now because Rowling revealed Dumbledore is gay and it is my guess that they still wanted to use the romance-talk angle to deepen the Harry/Dumbledore relationship and have replaced the other line with this line about Harry/Hermione. I'm not too keen about this idea to use the romance angle as a factor to build-up the closeness between hero student and teacher, I think this tactic would have worked a little better with Sirius because Sirius seems more the 'cool hip godfather ladies man, that you could ask for advice about girls' than Dumbledore.

Does this sound a little out of character for Dumbledore? I had the impression that Dumbledore had always watched the trio closely and understood them all quite clearly and would know that Harry and Hermione's relationship was purely platonic, but I guess its just a little nitpick. They have made far harsher adaptations to these characters.

What do you all think about this new development? Did the filmmakers put this in to finally make it clear to audiences that Harry and Hermione will not end up together (especially since some reviews have noted that Dan and Emma have such chemistry together in this movie)? Do you think it will help develop the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore in this movie?I think it's a nice touch and nothing more, if anything I think it makes Dumbledore seem a little more personable, which is something I've felt he lacks in the past couple films (despite me being a Gambon supporter).

I asked Rachezee about how well she thought the Harry/Dumbledore relationship was developed over the course of the film, her answer really interested me and I wanted to discuss it here. Here is her reply:

There are a lot of one liners and subtleties that we have never seen before between DD and Harry in this film. They are very effective at showing a confort and friendship between the two. At one point DD delicately asks Harry about his relationship with hermione. Harry makes it clear they are just best friends.

So Dumbledore asks Harry about his relationship with Hermione. I have a feeling that this was a substitute line for the line Rowling told them to cut because Dumbledore is gay where Dumbledore recounts about 'a girl he once liked' or something. Thinking about that again after learning more about the film gives me the impression that Dumbledore would have delivered this line when he picked Harry up from the cafe where he is flirting with the waitress. I hypothesize that in an earlier draft of the script Dumbledore would have been inside the cafe to witness Harry flirting with her and comment about how she reminds him of a girl he used to fancy.

But that is changed now because Rowling revealed Dumbledore is gay and it is my guess that they still wanted to use the romance-talk angle to deepen the Harry/Dumbledore relationship and have replaced the other line with this line about Harry/Hermione. I'm not too keen about this idea to use the romance angle as a factor to build-up the closeness between hero student and teacher, I think this tactic would have worked a little better with Sirius because Sirius seems more the 'cool hip godfather ladies man, that you could ask for advice about girls' than Dumbledore.

Does this sound a little out of character for Dumbledore? I had the impression that Dumbledore had always watched the trio closely and understood them all quite clearly and would know that Harry and Hermione's relationship was purely platonic, but I guess its just a little nitpick. They have made far harsher adaptations to these characters.

What do you all think about this new development? Did the filmmakers put this in to finally make it clear to audiences that Harry and Hermione will not end up together (especially since some reviews have noted that Dan and Emma have such chemistry together in this movie)? Do you think it will help develop the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore in this movie?

As long as Harmonians are bashed, I'm fine :rotfl:

I asked Rachezee about how well she thought the Harry/Dumbledore relationship was developed over the course of the film, her answer really interested me and I wanted to discuss it here. Here is her reply:

There are a lot of one liners and subtleties that we have never seen before between DD and Harry in this film. They are very effective at showing a confort and friendship between the two. At one point DD delicately asks Harry about his relationship with hermione. Harry makes it clear they are just best friends.

So Dumbledore asks Harry about his relationship with Hermione. I have a feeling that this was a substitute line for the line Rowling told them to cut because Dumbledore is gay where Dumbledore recounts about 'a girl he once liked' or something. Thinking about that again after learning more about the film gives me the impression that Dumbledore would have delivered this line when he picked Harry up from the cafe where he is flirting with the waitress. I hypothesize that in an earlier draft of the script Dumbledore would have been inside the cafe to witness Harry flirting with her and comment about how she reminds him of a girl he used to fancy.

But that is changed now because Rowling revealed Dumbledore is gay and it is my guess that they still wanted to use the romance-talk angle to deepen the Harry/Dumbledore relationship and have replaced the other line with this line about Harry/Hermione. I'm not too keen about this idea to use the romance angle as a factor to build-up the closeness between hero student and teacher, I think this tactic would have worked a little better with Sirius because Sirius seems more the 'cool hip godfather ladies man, that you could ask for advice about girls' than Dumbledore.

Does this sound a little out of character for Dumbledore? I had the impression that Dumbledore had always watched the trio closely and understood them all quite clearly and would know that Harry and Hermione's relationship was purely platonic, but I guess its just a little nitpick. They have made far harsher adaptations to these characters.

What do you all think about this new development? Did the filmmakers put this in to finally make it clear to audiences that Harry and Hermione will not end up together (especially since some reviews have noted that Dan and Emma have such chemistry together in this movie)? Do you think it will help develop the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore in this movie?

I agree- it is a bit unexpected to have DD asking Harry about his romantic relationships or lack thereof. It is something that would have probably been more appropriate between Sirius and Harry. However, it really depends on how the filmakers adapt the Harry and DD rapport onscreen. In the book, it was very much teacher/mentor and student with a clear delineation of authority (i.e. when DD tells Harry to drop the snape/draco topic and move on to slughorn etc.) until the end when there is a bit of a role reversal as Harry helps DD out of the cave. Maybe in the film, it becomes more of a friendship. With the emphasis being on teen romance, I am not too surprised if that them infiltrates their conversations as well.

I am surprised though that DD would ask Harry about Hermione. Maybe it's a way of telling the audience that their relationship is purely platonic. I was a harmonian back in the day before HBP the book was released so there very well could be some nonreaders who feel that the two may have that type of relationship as well.

I asked Rachezee about how well she thought the Harry/Dumbledore relationship was developed over the course of the film, her answer really interested me and I wanted to discuss it here. Here is her reply:

There are a lot of one liners and subtleties that we have never seen before between DD and Harry in this film. They are very effective at showing a confort and friendship between the two. At one point DD delicately asks Harry about his relationship with hermione. Harry makes it clear they are just best friends.

So Dumbledore asks Harry about his relationship with Hermione. I have a feeling that this was a substitute line for the line Rowling told them to cut because Dumbledore is gay where Dumbledore recounts about 'a girl he once liked' or something. Thinking about that again after learning more about the film gives me the impression that Dumbledore would have delivered this line when he picked Harry up from the cafe where he is flirting with the waitress. I hypothesize that in an earlier draft of the script Dumbledore would have been inside the cafe to witness Harry flirting with her and comment about how she reminds him of a girl he used to fancy.

But that is changed now because Rowling revealed Dumbledore is gay and it is my guess that they still wanted to use the romance-talk angle to deepen the Harry/Dumbledore relationship and have replaced the other line with this line about Harry/Hermione. I'm not too keen about this idea to use the romance angle as a factor to build-up the closeness between hero student and teacher, I think this tactic would have worked a little better with Sirius because Sirius seems more the 'cool hip godfather ladies man, that you could ask for advice about girls' than Dumbledore.

Does this sound a little out of character for Dumbledore? I had the impression that Dumbledore had always watched the trio closely and understood them all quite clearly and would know that Harry and Hermione's relationship was purely platonic, but I guess its just a little nitpick. They have made far harsher adaptations to these characters.

What do you all think about this new development? Did the filmmakers put this in to finally make it clear to audiences that Harry and Hermione will not end up together (especially since some reviews have noted that Dan and Emma have such chemistry together in this movie)? Do you think it will help develop the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore in this movie?

It does sound a bit like damage control because some of the other movies played up Harry and Hermione too much - particularly POA. That also puts the issue out there to lay the foundation for Ron thinking that in DH.

I do think it's a bit strange to have this coming from Dumbledore though. That would make more sense coming from Lupin - or maybe Arthur or Molly. Seems a rather odd topic for Dumbledore to bring up.

I do think it's a bit strange to have this coming from Dumbledore though. That would make more sense coming from Lupin - or maybe Arthur or Molly. Seems a rather odd topic for Dumbledore to bring up.

I agree. Not only is it odd that Dumbledore is bringing it up; it's odd that such an intuitive, wise, observant figure would ask if Harry feels anything for Hermione. Though he's old and not as hip, I do think he seems to know something about love (seeing as he's always telling Harry about this power that the Dark Lord knows not :))... why would he ask about Hermione, if Harry's feelings for Ginny are becoming more apparent? If I hadn't read the book, I'd feel like this is foreshadowing for a Harmonian ending (and believe me, I would hate that!; JAI has shipped Harry/Ginny for quite some time :D)... rom coms always have that "oh, we're just buds, we PROMISE!" style plot, and I'm afraid an average Joe or Jane will get mixed up.

I do agree with Master: Sirius would've been a better person with whom Harry would've had this conversation, but that would've been back in OotP. I dunno if it really belonged in there. The convo fits better in HBP, but Lupin, Fred, or even Molly would've been a better candidate.

This seems like a stretch. The underlying chemistry between Ron and Hermione has always been obvious and explicitly highlighted, especially in the last 3 films. I'm not sure Dumbledore would be so oblivious to the relationships between the trio, certainly via his will he indicated that he knew them all fairly well. Not the best bit of adaptation here, though it could work better in the movie.

I was suprised about DD question. I think I even muttered a "oh no..." outloud when he asked. The scene occured later in the movie though, in DD office right before he shows Harry a memory. I can't remember which memory though.

Some new pictures and some older but better quality pictures of HBP in this link:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-half-blood-prince-2009-slim-line-calendar-scans-59396/

Great photo of Remus and Tonks together. You can see that Tonks hair is not all brown but has purple highlights.

Also, two great photos of Luna... what can you say about her that hasn't been said a million times.

thanks Count!

Luna does look stunning -- she is quite beautiful.

I like Tonks look; the dark hair makes her look not as playful which (although we've heard this backstory was cut) adds to her dark/depressed personality in this book.

Remus still looks wolflike to me!

The pic of Ron is interesting. It makes me think 'sex kitten' by the way he is posed.

No Hermione?

Ok... here are direct views of the photos. Sorry Hermione and Ginny fans... they got snubbed again.

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I was suprised about DD question. I think I even muttered a "oh no..." outloud when he asked. The scene occured later in the movie though, in DD office right before he shows Harry a memory. I can't remember which memory though.

That's so weird they would have DD ask that right before he is going to review another memory with Harry. I suppose they are really trying hard to balance the lighter aspects of the film with the dark- but it still sounds like a strange juxtaposition.

It does sound a bit like damage control because some of the other movies played up Harry and Hermione too much - particularly POA. That also puts the issue out there to lay the foundation for Ron thinking that in DH.

I do think it's a bit strange to have this coming from Dumbledore though. That would make more sense coming from Lupin - or maybe Arthur or Molly. Seems a rather odd topic for Dumbledore to bring up.


I think PoA definitely played up a love triangle. Yes, they did have that brief awkward armholding moment between Hermione and Ron during the hippogriff lesson, but the entire climax (25min) was Harry and Hermione facing the dangers together. It may seem silly now, but I remember my family- none of whom have read the books- were sure Harry would end up with Hermione after PoA. My 2 nonreader friends (who have somehow miraculously stayed spoiler free) still think Harry will end up with Hermione. They won't let me tell them anything about HBP or DH.

I think they put out this question in HBP so that the audience would know for sure that Harry and Hermione's relationship was not romantic.

I think PoA definitely played up a love triangle. Yes, they did have that brief awkward armholding moment between Hermione and Ron during the hippogriff lesson, but the entire climax (25min) was Harry and Hermione facing the dangers together. It may seem silly now, but I remember my family- none of whom have read the books- were sure Harry would end up with Hermione after PoA. My 2 nonreader friends (who have somehow miraculously stayed spoiler free) still think Harry will end up with Hermione. They won't let me tell them anything about HBP or DH.

I think they put out this question in HBP so that the audience would know for sure that Harry and Hermione's relationship was not romantic.

I disagree. In POA all the signs were Ron/Hermione for me and I had not read the books at that point. When Hermione needs comfort when she is seeing the hippogriff execution she leaned on Ron... not Harry. That's the only scene in which she could have chosen one or the other and she chose Ron. All the other scenes were she hugs or holds Harry, he is the only one there.

I disagree. In POA all the signs were Ron/Hermione for me and I had not read the books at that point. When Hermione needs comfort when she is seeing the hippogriff execution she leaned on Ron... not Harry. That's the only scene in which she could have chosen one or the other and she chose Ron. All the other scenes were she hugs or holds Harry, he is the only one there.

I got that as well - but I had read the books. However, I think it was confusing for some because they had that whole bit with Harry and Hermione at the end and they expanded Hermione's role for the movie. In the book, Hermione really didn't do anything - she just had the time turner and waited in the forest while Harry did everything. In the movie, they added a lot to that with Hermione doing everything because Harry was too clueless to be able to do anything and added an emotional conversation with Harry talking to Hermione about how he felt about living with Sirius and thinking he saw his dad and then had Harry and Hermione laughing at Ron in the end and deliberately not telling him what happened so that did make a lot of people think they were going to have a romantic relationship.

I think it's a good thing that they are finally addressing this in the movies though. In the books, Harry had already had that issue brought up to him in both GOF and OOTP and stated quite clearly that he only saw Hermione as a friend. But they cut that from the movies for GOF and OOTP. I think it will be a good thing to include that in HBP for people who have gotten the wrong idea. And it does play into Ron wondering about that in DH as well. Though I still find it very odd that they're having Dumbledore be the one to bring it up.

I got that as well - but I had read the books. However, I think it was confusing for some because they had that whole bit with Harry and Hermione at the end and they expanded Hermione's role for the movie. In the book, Hermione really didn't do anything - she just had the time turner and waited in the forest while Harry did everything. In the movie, they added a lot to that with Hermione doing everything because Harry was too clueless to be able to do anything and added an emotional conversation with Harry talking to Hermione about how he felt about living with Sirius and thinking he saw his dad and then had Harry and Hermione laughing at Ron in the end and deliberately not telling him what happened so that did make a lot of people think they were going to have a romantic relationship.


That's what I mean- I think the climax of PoA the movie- where Harry and hermione spent some bonding moments together kind of suggested that a romance would blossom there. I think it's subject to interpretation, as I agree there were some ron/hermione moments there too. However, there were quite a few people I knew who came away from that thinking harry would end up with hermione. My brother (who hasn't read the books) still thinks that's going to happen! :lol: It's the nonreading audience that probably needs all this clarified as harmonians are pretty much extinct now in the reading universe.

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I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure none of the reviews have said anything about Draco and the birds.

So...
Major Spoiler Alert below!

Throughout the movie we keep seeing Draco going to a cage full of birds, like the one he has in his hand. He would would take one and then go off to the RoR. Later in the movie, I believe just before the Sectum Sempra Scene, we see him put one of the birds into the Vanishing Cabinet looking hopeful and closes it. When he opens it, the bird is dead.

Though we, as the audience are not really supposed to know what Draco is doing, his reaction to the bird being dead makes it obvious that whatever he is trying to do with that cabinet is not working. He is so upset that he ends up in the bathroom crying. And the Sectum Sempra scene takes place.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5533/10ct6.jpg

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure none of the reviews have said anything about Draco and the birds.

So...
Major Spoiler Alert below!

Throughout the movie we keep seeing Draco going to a cage full of birds, like the one he has in his hand. He would would take one and then go off to the RoR. Later in the movie, I believe just before the Sectum Sempra Scene, we see him put one of the birds into the Vanishing Cabinet looking hopeful and closes it. When he opens it, the bird is dead.

Though we, as the audience are not really supposed to know what Draco is doing, his reaction to the bird being dead makes it obvious that whatever he is trying to do with that cabinet is not working. He is so upset that he ends up in the bathroom crying. And the Sectum Sempra scene takes place. Wow, that sounds great. It seems Yates and Kloves both are at the top of their creative game, even with something like that which didn't happen in the book.

That's what I mean- I think the climax of PoA the movie- where Harry and hermione spent some bonding moments together kind of suggested that a romance would blossom there. I think it's subject to interpretation, as I agree there were some ron/hermione moments there too. However, there were quite a few people I knew who came away from that thinking harry would end up with hermione. My brother (who hasn't read the books) still thinks that's going to happen! :lol: It's the nonreading audience that probably needs all this clarified as harmonians are pretty much extinct now in the reading universe.

Ahh...harmonians, I remember the uproar around here when HBP came out. There were some seriously bitter people.

I even remember one person saying that JKR was an evil person because (I think I have this right, it's been a while) the owner of WB somehow supported either Euthanasia or mandatory abortions to lower the world population, and since JKR let the WB make her movies then that meant that she must support this as well.

That person also happened to be a Harmonian:lol:

I love the new calendar pictures! I like the portrait look they've got going on. There are some months missing though... unless I just didn't see them...

The new mini spoiler sounds good too. Dramatic.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5533/10ct6.jpg

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure none of the reviews have said anything about Draco and the birds.

So...
Major Spoiler Alert below!

Throughout the movie we keep seeing Draco going to a cage full of birds, like the one he has in his hand. He would would take one and then go off to the RoR. Later in the movie, I believe just before the Sectum Sempra Scene, we see him put one of the birds into the Vanishing Cabinet looking hopeful and closes it. When he opens it, the bird is dead.

Though we, as the audience are not really supposed to know what Draco is doing, his reaction to the bird being dead makes it obvious that whatever he is trying to do with that cabinet is not working. He is so upset that he ends up in the bathroom crying. And the Sectum Sempra scene takes place.

Thanks rachezee! That sounds like an amazing setup to sectumsempra.

Ahh...harmonians, I remember the uproar around here when HBP came out. There were some seriously bitter people.

I even remember one person saying that JKR was an evil person because (I think I have this right, it's been a while) the owner of WB somehow supported either Euthanasia or mandatory abortions to lower the world population, and since JKR let the WB make her movies then that meant that she must support this as well.

That person also happened to be a Harmonian:lol:

Yes, (thinks back wistfully) I was one of the harmonians :lol::lol: I don't remember ever being bitter, but I was pretty shocked and disappointed when HBP made it crystal clear that Hermione and Ron were the ones that were meant to be together. I know it seems so obvious now. There were clear signs, but I guess I was in denial until it was set in stone in HBP. I think part of it has to do with Dan and Emma's great chemistry, and the underlying tendency for me to expect the hero to get the girl :lol: In SS, when hermione and harry part ways after the chess task- I recall hermione saying something like "you really are a great wizard, harry" or something like that. Somehow after that, I was sure these 2 would end up together. Then again, I remember thinking leia was going to end up with luke- I guess I'm 0 for 2 :lol:

Maybe that's why they included that line between DD and Harry in the film, to make sure the moviegoing audience was clear on Harry and Hermione's relationship- especially any residual harmonians out there.

The only criticism I have of the new pics is that IMO Tonks looks at least 10-15 years older than in the last movie. I think it's the hair. Great pictures of Luna though. Beautiful.

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure none of the reviews have said anything about Draco and the birds.

So...
Major Spoiler Alert below!

Throughout the movie we keep seeing Draco going to a cage full of birds, like the one he has in his hand. He would would take one and then go off to the RoR. Later in the movie, I believe just before the Sectum Sempra Scene, we see him put one of the birds into the Vanishing Cabinet looking hopeful and closes it. When he opens it, the bird is dead.

Though we, as the audience are not really supposed to know what Draco is doing, his reaction to the bird being dead makes it obvious that whatever he is trying to do with that cabinet is not working. He is so upset that he ends up in the bathroom crying. And the Sectum Sempra scene takes place.

I really like the idea, it sets up Sectumsempra very nicely.

And I say it again - I fully expect a new tidal wave of Draco-enthusiasm among portions of the (female) fans. Great photo.

I think it's a good thing that they are finally addressing this in the movies though. In the books, Harry had already had that issue brought up to him in both GOF and OOTP and stated quite clearly that he only saw Hermione as a friend. But they cut that from the movies for GOF and OOTP.

Not only did they cut those scenes but I think they continued the imaginary love triangle in GOF. A lot of times in that movie it seemed like both Harry and Ron had romantic feelings for Hermione and she had romantic feelings for both of them. They included the Yule Brawl but they also had Harry spend more time noticing Hermione at the Ball than he did Cho!

So yeah, I think having Harry state his non-feelings for Hermione is necessary.

Yes, (thinks back wistfully) I was one of the harmonians :lol::lol: I don't remember ever being bitter, but I was pretty shocked and disappointed when HBP made it crystal clear that Hermione and Ron were the ones that were meant to be together. I know it seems so obvious now. There were clear signs, but I guess I was in denial until it was set in stone in HBP. I think part of it has to do with Dan and Emma's great chemistry, and the underlying tendency for me to expect the hero to get the girl :lol: In SS, when hermione and harry part ways after the chess task- I recall hermione saying something like "you really are a great wizard, harry" or something like that. Somehow after that, I was sure these 2 would end up together. Then again, I remember thinking leia was going to end up with luke- I guess I'm 0 for 2 :lol:

Maybe that's why they included that line between DD and Harry in the film, to make sure the moviegoing audience was clear on Harry and Hermione's relationship- especially any residual harmonians out there.

Yeah, I can see that. I myself never really thought Harry and Hermione would hook up, just because I always got the impression Ron liked her. However, I never totally thought it was out of the question. I thought that if Harmony did happy, then Ron would end up ultimately turning into a villain out of jealousy.

Also, what is the line between DD and Harry exactly? I haven't read it yet.

Not only did they cut those scenes but I think they continued the imaginary love triangle in GOF. A lot of times in that movie it seemed like both Harry and Ron had romantic feelings for Hermione and she had romantic feelings for both of them. They included the Yule Brawl but they also had Harry spend more time noticing Hermione at the Ball than he did Cho!

So yeah, I think having Harry state his non-feelings for Hermione is necessary.

I'm not sure it is necessary. The original Star Wars trilogy had a similar angle, and it worked out well enough to have Leia say, in the final minutes of the last film, that Luke is her brother and Han seems content enough. Paralelly, I'd say DH is enough to make the point that Hermione and Ron are the item and she and Harry are like brother and sister, as Harry himself puts it in the pond scene.

Also, what is the line between DD and Harry exactly? I haven't read it yet.

Er... is it the "leaves traces" one?

Or the... "Did you know sir?" one?

Guys, do stick to discussing the HBP movie, please? Ponderings over Harry and Hermione in the PoA/DH films can go in their respective threads.

Er... is it the "leaves traces" one?

Or the... "Did you know sir?" one?

I don't know, someone said there's a line between DD and Harry that makes it clear Harry doesn't like Hermione. I was just wondering what the line was.

I don't know, someone said there's a line between DD and Harry that makes it clear Harry doesn't like Hermione. I was just wondering what the line was.

Oh, I never heard that line before. I am wondering what it is too.

It's discussed on the previous page: http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=5144591&postcount=629 (and following posts)

So we don't know the exact quote yet. Hmm... it does seem interesting.

It also seems that it was a last minute addition so as to replace the "Dumbledore's girl" line with. I wouldn't be surprised if that was right.

So we don't know the exact quote yet. Hmm... it does seem interesting.

It also seems that it was a last minute addition so as to replace the "Dumbledore's girl" line with. I wouldn't be surprised if that was right.

I think everyone is making a bigger deal out of this than it is :whistle:

And no, rach did not tell us the "exact quote" (which would probably be quite hard to remember)

Sounds to me like it's just something along the lines of, "Are you in love with Hermione?"..."No, we are strictly friends" :p


oh and btw, Dumbledore has another line in the film that is furthers this idea :lol:

mutters Hermione's name. Lavender runs off in a stomp. Dumbledore says something along the lines of "Ah, the pangs of teenage romance", to which McGonagall gives a look and Snape rolls his eyes

:err:

I think everyone is making a bigger deal out of this than it is :whistle:

And no, rach did not tell us the "exact quote" (which would probably be quite hard to remember)

Sounds to me like it's just something along the lines of, "Are you in love with Hermione?"..."No, we are strictly friends" :p

Nah, seems too obvious :p Probably something that comes up randomly. Though it wouldn't surprise me if the writer and director deliberately puts it like this, Dumbledore would NEVER ask something like this to Harry.


oh and btw, Dumbledore has another line in the film that is similar to this idea :lol:



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Haha, I hadn't seen that! I really like that!

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5533/10ct6.jpg

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure none of the reviews have said anything about Draco and the birds.

So...
Major Spoiler Alert below!

Throughout the movie we keep seeing Draco going to a cage full of birds, like the one he has in his hand. He would would take one and then go off to the RoR. Later in the movie, I believe just before the Sectum Sempra Scene, we see him put one of the birds into the Vanishing Cabinet looking hopeful and closes it. When he opens it, the bird is dead.

Though we, as the audience are not really supposed to know what Draco is doing, his reaction to the bird being dead makes it obvious that whatever he is trying to do with that cabinet is not working. He is so upset that he ends up in the bathroom crying. And the Sectum Sempra scene takes place.

Interesting :tu: So, does it give the audience the impression that Draco is crying because the bird is dead (:upset: :lol:) or because he can't get the cabinet to work? I'm guessing all the girls are going to take it as the former and that Draco is overly sensitive :p


oh, and it's looks like my prediction was right :elaugh:

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Draco looks so guilty here, like he's about to perform SACRIFICAL rituals or something...I don't think that little birdy is coming out of it ALIVE :elaugh:

I'm curious though, someone brought up a good point:

How come there is a cage full of birds in Hogwarts??? They are only supposed to have Owls, Toads, Cats, and Rats? as pets :lol:

Did Draco steal it from the Transfiguration Class??? :hmm:

And doesn't anyone in the castle question why Draco is wandering the halls carrying birds he's about to sacrifice? :whistle:

Interesting :tu: So, does it give the audience the impression that Draco is crying because the bird is dead (:upset: :lol:) or because he can't get the cabinet to work? I'm guessing all the girls are going to take it as the former and that Draco is overly sensitive :p


oh, and it's looks like my prediction was right :elaugh:



I'm curious though, someone brought up a good point:

How come there is a cage full of birds in Hogwarts??? They are only supposed to have Owls, Toads, Cats, and Rats? as pets :lol:

Did Draco steal it from the Transfiguration Class??? :hmm:

And doesn't anyone in the castle question why Draco is wandering the halls carrying birds he's about to sacrifice? :whistle:

Oh but you just answered your own question there, lc. People (in the school) surely think of him as a very sensitive boy who has a hard time dealing with his father's imprisonment, consequently wears black, becomes a loner and fondly plays with little birdies ;)


Can you hear me sighing with movement, too?

Not only did they cut those scenes but I think they continued the imaginary love triangle in GOF. A lot of times in that movie it seemed like both Harry and Ron had romantic feelings for Hermione and she had romantic feelings for both of them. They included the Yule Brawl but they also had Harry spend more time noticing Hermione at the Ball than he did Cho!

So yeah, I think having Harry state his non-feelings for Hermione is necessary.

Wow, I totally forgot about that. They did have Harry stare at hermione too when she made her entrance at the top of the stairs at the yule ball.
For some reason, I always remember gof the movie as the one that emphasized ron and hermione- especially when she is tearing up at the stairs afterwards and ron is clearly jealous. HBP the book already came out by then too so I had already given up my harmonian status:lol:

I think it's a good thing then that Harry verbalizes his platonic relationship with Hermione to DD. That way there is no confusion, especially since I think one of the reviewers said that in the final scene of HBP there was almost too much chemistry between Dan and Emma when hermione, not ron, tells Harry they will be with him to go after the horcruxes.

Wow I haven't been on this thread in a while so forgive me if I am repeating something. I just read that they cut out Dumbledore's funeral and the battle at Hogwarts. I am kind of irritated about this because these were the two scenes I was looking forward to. :(

Wow I haven't been on this thread in a while so forgive me if I am repeating something. I just read that they cut out Dumbledore's funeral and the battle at Hogwarts. I am kind of irritated about this because these were the two scenes I was looking forward to. :(


Yes, unfortunately those scenes are long gone.

On another note, I asked rachezee what she thought about the added burrow scene. She was kind enough to reply and let me post. Here are her thoughts:

Re: burrow scene

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Hi rachezee,

I'm not sure if anyone's asked you about this yet, but how did you feel about the added burrow scene?. I don't recall any of the other reviewers commenting on that. Do you think it was worth having that added scene at the expense of other omitted scenes i.e. gaunts, etc? Was the action and suspense as good as it appeared in the trailer? Thanks.

In my opinion, the burrow scene was pointless, useless and just plain ridiculous. If this had happened during DH it may have made sense. Well I guess it did, after the wedding. But with DD living this made no sense.

I really dislike when they feel the need to add scenes, when the scenes as they are in the book are so highly visual and most would have so easily translated to film. Many of the new material added in this film was necessary, because the films missed too much already in the past. The burrow scene as well as the scene at the tube station was completely unnecessary.

I know the film makers wanted to make it seem as though nobody was safe, but this did not do that. Instead it gave the impression that the Order of the Phoenix's protection spells as well as Dumbledore's were useless or none existent. In fact this is exacerbated by the fact that when Harry arrives at Hogwarts, he and Luna walked right in through the gates, there were no locks.

All that was accomplished was diminished sense of the importance of the Chosen One, as no one, including DD seemed interested in protecting him in this film.

I just felt that the filmmakers wanted to add some action to the middle of the film. It would have been so much better if instead Scrimgeour had appeared asking for his help and Harry had shown him his hand like in the book. It would have been very useful in portraying Harry's importance, the prophecy and confused and worried state of the ministry, which this film never accomplished.

The sense that no body was safe was already well portrayed in the bridge collapse scene and the scene when Ollivander is dragged away by DE's. The burrow scene was useless and stupid (and I never use that word).

I'm disappointed to hear that, mainly because I know with the addition of this scene that they had to delete other scenes i.e. gaunts,etc in the process.
I was hoping that it would at least be this great, intense, action sequence with a lot of suspense and spell casting- but it doesn't sound like that's the case. Also, in the trailer the scenes of harry running thru the reeds looked pretty good.

It's strange that they felt the need to insert this new burrow attack that is not in the book to add more action yet they cut out the battle at hogwarts at the end of the book.

It's strange that they felt the need to insert this new burrow attack that is not in the book to add more action yet they cut out the battle at hogwarts at the end of the book.

I'm kind of scared to see this movie now. At first when we all found out about the film, I was really excited for it. But now that they are adding scenes that were not in the book and cutting out important scenes (well in my opinion, they were important) I'm getting kind of nervous that the film wont be as good as I was expecting.

Love this:

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Love this:

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WOW! :wow: Thanks for that! Those are two very deep discussions about Harry and it's good they have a parallel :cool:

Love this:

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WOW! :wow: Thanks for that! Those are two very deep discussions about Harry and it's good they have a parallel :cool:

Yeah - that's a nice touch. I like it. :)

Yeah - that's a nice touch. I like it. :)

Agreed!

:tu::tu::tu::tu:

Interesting :tu: So, does it give the audience the impression that Draco is crying because the bird is dead (:upset: :lol:) or because he can't get the cabinet to work? I'm guessing all the girls are going to take it as the former and that Draco is overly sensitive :p

Dracofangirl976: Shut LC you're just jealous! Draco is sooo sensitive and noble and hot and you...you...you're just jealous cause you're not HAWT like Tom. OH Tom *birds twitter* :drool:.


Wow, I totally forgot about that. They did have Harry stare at hermione too when she made her entrance at the top of the stairs at the yule ball.
For some reason, I always remember gof the movie as the one that emphasized ron and hermione- especially when she is tearing up at the stairs afterwards and ron is clearly jealous. HBP the book already came out by then too so I had already given up my harmonian status:lol:

I think it's a good thing then that Harry verbalizes his platonic relationship with Hermione to DD. That way there is no confusion, especially since I think one of the reviewers said that in the final scene of HBP there was almost too much chemistry between Dan and Emma when hermione, not ron, tells Harry they will be with him to go after the horcruxes.

They knew right from the beggining that Ron and Hermione was the couple to be. GoF was out before the first movie, Klove just made it his thing to push it, maybe to give Harry something more before he got the girls. Sacrifice Ron for Hermione so that the main character has someone to play off of and then return them to their actual roles when Harry gets a chick, though Eyebrows McGee will never die as long as Kloves is writting, didn't you read my summarization a few weeks back?

Oh my lord! Seriously, can't you people get it right?! Hermione will open the locket by speaking parseltounge after having saved Harry from the frigid waters and Ron from a rampaging hippogriff and then reveal herself to having already destroyed the other horcruxes in second year while they believed her to be petrified and bring Dumbledore back to like with a cockeyed grin and destroying Voldemort by thrusting her hips forward and yelling "BOOYAH!!!" Pure Kloves genius.

Okay this is getting out of hand. I knew that Tonks only had one scene, but the fact that Luna is going to find Harry on the train is horrible! Well that's the only word I could think of to discribe it. Why oh why do all of these things need to be taken out. I was being comforted by the idea or Snape finding Harry in the train since Tonks wasn't going to be in the movie except for one little incy tiny bit of the movie. Here comes my rage. :grumble: I hate WB! What would Luna be doing on the train when everyone was clear off and the train was just about to head off again? It's stupid! Then I saw that romance dominates most of the film and the plot in the book isn't the center of the flim like it's supposed to be. Gosh, if I were Voldemort I would storm up to Warner Brothers and AK Alan Horn, David Yates, and the screenwriters 'cause this just plain sucks!

Just please if anyone knows the answer to this, please answer. Are we going to get a lot of Snape in the movie like we did in the book?

Okay this is getting out of hand. I knew that Tonks only had one scene, but the fact that Luna is going to find Harry on the train is horrible! Well that's the only word I could think of to discribe it. Why oh why do all of these things need to be taken out. I was being comforted by the idea or Snape finding Harry in the train since Tonks wasn't going to be in the movie except for one little incy tiny bit of the movie. Here comes my rage. :grumble: I hate WB! What would Luna be doing on the train when everyone was clear off and the train was just about to head off again? It's stupid! Then I saw that romance dominates most of the film and the plot in the book isn't the center of the flim like it's supposed to be. Gosh, if I were Voldemort I would storm up to Warner Brothers and AK Alan Horn, David Yates, and the screenwriters 'cause this just plain sucks!

Just please if anyone knows the answer to this, please answer. Are we going to get a lot of Snape in the movie like we did in the book?

I'm afraid that they are gonna keep Snape a lot like he was in the book to a certain extent and that is in the background with not much else done with him until the final act. Considering they cut out most of the classes now and we have not heard anything really about Snape even being shown teaching a DADA class in the movie, its safe to assume its been cut in favour of more romance. But imo, Snape as a character was pretty much underused and misrepresented from the first movie onwards and Alan Rickman, though a good actor in his own right, I feel did not really get Snape.

The funny thing about this movie in particular is that it is gonna have a lot of little nuggets thrown in there for fans who have read the books such as Luna's Lion Hat, the twin's joke shop and the potion's book, but why bother even including them if you are not gonna properly do the attatched subplots that make them necessary to begin with ? If you don't beef up Snape's role then the potion book becomes more of an annoying little tid bit to advance the plot rather than something to persue real character growth, while having Luna have her Lion hat but not utilise it properly in the Quidditch match and having her do the commentary just sounds needless and pointless.

I'm afraid that they are gonna keep Snape a lot like he was in the book to a certain extent and that is in the background with not much else done with him until the final act. Considering they cut out most of the classes now and we have not heard anything really about Snape even being shown teaching a DADA class in the movie, its safe to assume its been cut in favour of more romance. But imo, Snape as a character was pretty much underused and misrepresented from the first movie onwards and Alan Rickman, though a good actor in his own right, I feel did not really get Snape.

The funny thing about this movie in particular is that it is gonna have a lot of little nuggets thrown in there for fans who have read the books such as Luna's Lion Hat, the twin's joke shop and the potion's book, but why bother even including them if you are not gonna properly do the attatched subplots that make them necessary to begin with ? If you don't beef up Snape's role then the potion book becomes more of an annoying little tid bit to advance the plot rather than something to persue real character growth, while having Luna have her Lion hat but not utilise it properly in the Quidditch match and having her do the commentary just sounds needless and pointless.
Alan Rickman is a great actor and I think he got Snape and is perfect as Snape.

I know what is the point??? WB has lost it and deserves to put locked up in the nut house. I am really starting to question if this movie is worth seeing. I seriously am. They took out so many of what I think are important parts and are replacing them with more stinkin' romance. Harry Potter was supposed to be a series about good vrs. evil. The struggle as a boy prepares to face the darkest wizard ever. Not a teen romance...thing. It's just wrong!

I get annoyed with that too. Its making me nervous because the reviewers say that romance is huge in the movie. HP focuses on evil and its battle of it, death, love, and destiny.The movie completely misses this - what the heck is wrong with them, they leave out the freaking battle after DD dies and wont take 5 more minutes to let the auidence see the emotion of harry and tell the answers to mysteries and such. sigh.

Just please if anyone knows the answer to this, please answer. Are we going to get a lot of Snape in the movie like we did in the book?

The answer at present seems "a lot more Snape than in other HP movies". Scenes in which he is present, apparently:

1) Spinner's End
2) The aftermath of the train scene - when Harry and Luna show up, Filch is hassling Draco and Snape helps him get inside the castle (according to reports from the test screening).
3) "Snape Victorious", apaprently the switching of his teaching positions is announced by Albus.
4) "Silver and Opals", we see him dealing in some way with the cursed necklace (unlike in the book, where he is absent)
5) Slughorn's Christmas party
6) argument with Draco that follows that party, which Harry overhears
7) Apparently Snape is present in some part of the Ron/bezoar scenes, unlike the book.
8) Sectumsempra, Snape is first on the scene and heals Draco.
9) 'The Seer Overheard', Harry goes to meet Albus for the Horcrux mission to the Cave and sees that he and Snape have been speaking about something.
10) Tower, of course
11) Flight of the Prince, of course.

Basically what is missing are any classes, and the detentions near the end of the book. If all this stays, I will be a happy Snape fan next July. :D

Just please if anyone knows the answer to this, please answer. Are we going to get a lot of Snape in the movie like we did in the book?

Well, they sadly have cut the DADA classes *crosses his fingers they will be added back in*


However, yes it does seem we will get a lot of Snape (more than the other movies at least)

-Spinners End
Bella does not question [Snape]'s loyalty. Is this perhaps to just try and trick the audience into thinking Snape really is unquestionably an evil git?

Snape does say that the Dark lord has already told him of the plan Narcissa is about to reveal and Bellatrix does seem surprised.
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-Opening Feast

-Cursed Necklace
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-Slughorn's Christmas Party
Cormac is just about to leave in search of Hermione when Snape sharply pulls the curtain aside, apparently with the belief he has just caught students making out or something, because he seams shocked to see Harry and Cormac (who is on his way out). Before Snape can say something more, Filch comes through the door dragging Draco with him. Just as in the books he admits he is, what’s the words? Gape-crashing? And Slughorn like in the books forgives him. Meanwhile both Harry and Snape are watching this (Snape’s face is unfathomable as usual but his body language suggests interest or concern, Harry is standing slightly behind Snape)
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-Snape/Draco Convo
A description of Draco and Snape’s discussion came from a test screening viewer:

The next scene is Draco and Snape in a corridor trying to convince Draco to accept his help and Draco repeatedly refuses (I know there was more to this, though not much, but I just can’t recall exactly what it was). The screen starts to pan towards the right, still keeping Draco and Snape in view, but revealing Harry standing with in a parallel corridor or classroom perhaps, standing stock still listening closely.

Harry overhears Draco and Snape fighting, though not in his invisibility cloak. And what Snape says is slightly different and in the book what he says does not happen in the movie (stuff about helpers and Crabbe and Goyle). But I really don't remember what he says exactly.
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-Hospital Wing
Dumbledore, McGonagall and Snape walk in, shortly followed by Lavender who basically starts arguing with Hermione as to why she's there. Then Lavender goes over to Ron and grabs his hand, at which point Ron mutters Hermione's name. Lavender runs off in a strop. Dumbledore says something along the lines of "Ah, the pangs of teenage romance", to which McGonagall gives a look and Snape rolls his eyes
-Sectumsempra
When Harry casts Sectumsempra, Snape runs in and heals Draco's wounds with a spell that sounds almost like a song. Snape does not use Legilimency on Harry, and Harry runs straight out of the bathroom and into McGonagall who's standing in the doorway.

-Discussion between DD and Snape According to a test screen viewer, there is a scene before they leave Hogwarts which seems to have replaced the "argument in the forest" between Dumbledore and Snape:

...when Harry goes to the top of the Astronomy Tower to meet up with Dumbledore to go to the cave. He is just walking in when Snape who had obviously been discussing something with Dumbledore gives Harry his infamous intimidating stare and walks swiftly out. It is a very brief moment and nothing more is said about it. Although I think it is safe to assume Snape and Dumbledore were discussing Dumbledore’s death. (and/or maybe discussing Harry and how he has to die).

-Snape Kills Dumbledore

-Flight of the Prince

Does anyone think we're going to get any real action at all?

Okay this is getting out of hand. I knew that Tonks only had one scene, but the fact that Luna is going to find Harry on the train is horrible! Well that's the only word I could think of to discribe it. Why oh why do all of these things need to be taken out. I was being comforted by the idea or Snape finding Harry in the train since Tonks wasn't going to be in the movie except for one little incy tiny bit of the movie. Here comes my rage. :grumble: I hate WB! What would Luna be doing on the train when everyone was clear off and the train was just about to head off again? It's stupid! Then I saw that romance dominates most of the film and the plot in the book isn't the center of the flim like it's supposed to be. Gosh, if I were Voldemort I would storm up to Warner Brothers and AK Alan Horn, David Yates, and the screenwriters 'cause this just plain sucks!

Just please if anyone knows the answer to this, please answer. Are we going to get a lot of Snape in the movie like we did in the book?Luna > Tonks (IMO)

I honestly don't care about Tonks, and the last movie didn't give her much to do anyway so what's the point of her finding Harry on the train in this one? My parents don't read the books, and I can already guess what their response would have been if a character who hadn't been developed any at all in the past film just randomly shows up to save Harry on the train... And seeing as Luna didn't have many scenes in the book to begin with, I'm just glad they've changed some things so we can see more of her.

Does anyone think we're going to get any real action at all?Depends on what you define by action. To a certain extent I'd consider the inferi scene to be action, and definitely Harry chasing after Snape and their (though small) duel (if that hasn't been cut and I doubt they'll cut it).

Time for another three chapters for a bit more dicussion in the thread :)

From the test screenings, it was noted the Hogwarts Express felt different.
Apparently the Hogwarts Express seems a little different somehow. In a good way, and not like continuity is ruined, but it apparently has a different feel to it.

Shots of the Hogwarts Express travelling to Hogwarts have been filmed. A shot of the Hogwarts express featured in the teaser trailer:
http://media.mugglenet.com/i/hbpteasercaps/1.jpg


Luna Lovegood will wear her Spectrespecs as in the book:
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Test screening viewers have stated the first Slug Club meeting has been moved from the train.


The HBP sneak peeks on the OOTP DVD has confirmed the scene where Harry is spying on the Slytherins in their compartment under the cloak and then where Draco freezes Harry on the train and covers him with his cloak is confirmed.
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Luna will replace Tonks’ role of saving Harry.
Luna uses her Spectrespecs to find Harry and save him herself.

A script of this scene emerged from a reliable source:
MALFOY
Let's just say I don't think you'll be seeing me wasting my time in Charms Class next year.

Confused, Pansy glances at Blaise, who snorts derisively.

MALFOY (CONT'D)
Amused, Blaise? We'll see just who's laughing in the end.

Blaise shakes his head, smiling as he looks out the window at the darkness. Just then the small bag in the upper rack shifts. Malfoy's eyes play over it.

33 - EXT. STATION - DUSK/EVENING

The Hogwarts Express steams into the station.

34 - INT. AISLE - HOGWARTS EXPRESS - SAME TIME - DUSK/EVENING

Ron and Hermione step into the crowded aisle.

HERMIONE
Where's Harry?

RON
Probably on the platform. C'mon.

35 - INT. COMPARTMENT - DUSK/EVENING

As Blaise and Pansy make to exit, Malfoy takes down the small bag, grips the handle thoughtfully.

MALFOY
You two go on. I want to check something.

Malfoy slides shut the door. LETS THE BLINDS DOWN. A beat.

MALFOY (CONT'D)
Didn't mummy ever tell you it's bad manners to eavesdrop, Potter? Petrificus Totalus!

Malfoy wheels, points his wand at the luggage rack. Something hits the floor with a THUMP. The Invisibility Cloak slips away and reveals Harry, paralyzed on the floor. Malfoy grins.

MALFOY (CONT'D)
Oh, right, she was dead before you could wipe the drool off your chin.

Malfoy brings his boot down hard on Harry's face. SNAP! Blood squirts from Harry's nose. Malfoy snatches up the Invisibility cloak, pitches it over Harry.

MALFOY (CONT'D)
Enjoy the ride back to London.

36 - EXT. STATION - MOMENTS LATER - EVENING

Malfoy steps off, pulls his cloak tight and disappears into the night. Softly, a SOUND rises, of a GIRL LIGHTLY HUMMING and we CUT TO a...

37 - INTO. AISLE - HOGWARTS EXPRESS - EVENING

...STRANGE MOVING POV - HALF RED/HALF BLUE

Luna Lovegood wanders down the aisle HUMMING, red and blue Spectrespecs wobbling on the bridge of her nose. Up ahead one compartment's BLINDS are shut. Luna stops HUMMING. Cocks her head curiously. As she does, the LIGHT from an overhead lantern kicks off the cheap plastic lenses of her glasses and, for the briefest of seconds, a FLUTTERING CLOUD appears.

Of tiny insects. Or pixie dust. Or a trick of the light.

38 - INT. COMPARTMENT - SAME TIME - EVENING

Luna's SILHOUETTE SWELLS over the blinds, then the door opens. She calmly draws her wand and sends forth a blast of RED LIGHT. The Invisibility Cload slithers from Harry's body.

LUNA
Hello, Harry.

HARRY
Luna. How'd you..?

LUNA
Wrackspurts. Your head's full of them.

A test screening viewer commented on this scene:
I do not remember seeing alot of blood, but I think the blood might be added in with cgi. But we also experience the stomping from Harry's point of view as though we are lying on the ground and Draco is stomping on us. It was a very effective scene though, although I remember the audience gasping. In the following scene luna offers to repair his nose, and Harry asks something like, "Have you ever repaired a broken nose before?" so we do know that is was broken. (Luna fixes it without a hitch)

It seems we will see the Hogwarts Gates for the 1st time, due to a comment from the set report (http://www.leakylounge.com/Visit-HBP-filmset-t60162.html&pid=1605639&mode=threaded#entry1605639):
We were shown the Hogwarts gates; they are in a small clump of trees with the tops lopped off and have blue screen on each side (blue instead of green because of the trees and grass). The spikes on the gate are made of rubber for health and safety reasons! There are huge carved griffins on top of the gate columns. They said the GCI will be added later with Hogwarts castle on one side and the trees will be repeated to make the Forbidden forest.

In addition, there is a shot from the HBP VIDEO GAME (based on the film) of the Hogwarts Gates http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/edp-jogo-screenshoots.jpg?t=1221730478


There is a picture of Luna and Harry at the Hogwarts gates with Draco and Filch on the other side. Note: This may be a photoshopped promotional image and not a direct still from the film.
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A behind the scenes shot of Dumbledore giving a speech (with his glasses) emerged (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-half-blood-prince-behind-scenes-dumbledore-photo-updated-58381/)
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The scene where McGonagall hands out course schedules and Harry decides to continue potions has been filmed.
A source from the set today revealed to me that the scene being shot was Professor McGonagall telling Ron and Harry that they can take Potions for their NEWTS. This scene involved 200 extras, ranging from First Years to Seventh Years.

A shot of Hogwarts students and McGonagall in a corridor featured in the teaser trailer, probably part of the above shoot:
http://media.mugglenet.com/i/hbpteasercaps/3.jpg


A test screening attendee describes this scene
That is the first day of classes. McGonagall spots Harry and Ron along the wall, just chilling, acting like teenage boys, and calls to Harry and asks him what he is doing. He tells her he and Ron have a free period. And she asks him why he isn't in potions. She goes through the same explanation as in the book about how he can take potions now that Snape is not teaching it. That she says something funny, like "go take Mr. Weasley with you, he is enjoying himself a little too much over there." (major paraphrasing)

A small special on HBP from E! Entertainment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkLfH_HESqQ) showed the filming of a scene of Harry and in a corridor, Ron saying “But I don’t want to take potions”


A picture of this scene has emerged:
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A picture of the first potions class was released:
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Hermione will describe the Amortenia potion as in the book and reference a Ron/Hermione scene from earlier
When Hermione is around the Amortentia, the last thing she trails off with is that she can smell spearmint toothpaste

A test screening attendee has given some details regarding the Potions class scene:
Now to the subject of how Harry gets the potions book. Harry and Ron arrive in potions, and Slughorn tells them to go to the cabinet to take one of the extra copies he has. They open the cabinet which has several ratty old books and one virtually new one. Harry and Ron scramble in a typical teenagish way for the nice copy, which of course, Ron gets, leaving Harry to settle for one of the tattered old ones. When they begin to make the Draught of Living Death we see Harry open his books and the camera pans over the marked up pages.

They all start to make there potion and we see Hermione and Ron struggling to cut up the sopophorous bean. The camera then shows us the handwritten addition in the book (Harry may read it to himself out loud, I can’t remember for certain) “Crush with flat side of dagger, releases juice better than cutting.” After he crushes the bean, looking excited, Hermione, whose hair is becoming increasingly messy, frizzy and puffy, leans to him and asks him how he is doing that. He tells her what the handwritten instruction says to do, and she says something like, “but that not in the official instructions” and starts rereading her own book frantically.

When Slughorn later declares Harry the winner and presents him with the Felix Felicis in front of the class, Ron and Hermione look annoyed and the whole class claps very unenthusiastically, while Harry with a huge shameless grin on his face accepts the bottle of potion.

There is another picture, which appears to be Slughorn handing Harry the bottle of Felix Felicis:
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Test screening viewers confirmed that DADA classes were cut.
No DADA class at all. The only class we actually see is potions


There will be a scene where the trio sit around the common room and discuss the Prince's book:
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A test screen viewer has described the context of this scene:
Later in the common room the trio sit around (Ginny is somewhere around) and Harry is reading the Potions book. He notices the spell for Sectum Sempra and tries to show this to Hermione and Ron. Hermione gets upset/annoyed and says that she wants to see whose book it was. She jumps up and tries to grab in from him. Harry holds it back out of her reach but Ginny who comes from behind Harry grabs it and backs away and says she also wants to know who wrote that stuff in the book. She quickly flicks to the back and then reads out loud, “This book is the property of the Half-Blood Prince.”

There is a small scene ‘at the beginning’ concerning Ginny’s relationship with Dean:
During Dan's interview, he commented about a scene where Ron says, in the beginning of the movie - while Ginny is dating Dean Thomas: "You have to hate anyone who goes out with their sister as a matter of principle." Harry, a bit ashamed, answers: “Yeah, I suppose so…."

Discuss away!

I know what is the point??? WB has lost it and deserves to put locked up in the nut house. I am really starting to question if this movie is worth seeing. I seriously am. They took out so many of what I think are important parts and are replacing them with more stinkin' romance. Harry Potter was supposed to be a series about good vrs. evil. The struggle as a boy prepares to face the darkest wizard ever. Not a teen romance...thing. It's just wrong!

I'm always surprise when people say this. Is it really a surprise that they would butcher this dark story and make it into a teen romance? They care not for themes or parts of plot if they get in the way of making a smooth movie.


Why do the spectrespecs look like they're shopped onto that picture?

So, as I expected, the nose break was worked around for fear of rating. Those inferi better do justice but somehow I doubt it.

I like Draco's line though, it's obviously late to suddenly give Draco and Snape their proper roles back from the point of view of having to deal with watered down versions of them and their relationship with the Trio in the last few movies but it's nice that the sneer is back in the boy. It's his time to shine and he's got to be as nasty as possible early, you really can't feel for him until the very end if not DH.

Harry looks waaay too clean in the picture where he's receiving the potion, weren't they just sweating it out?

Hermione is downright annoying in her quest against the book in HBP, I hope they actually do add some comedic bits to this or tone it down.

This doesn't have much to do with Half-Blood Prince when it comes to the actual movie, but I will post this anyway, since it has to do with HBP.

From Mugglenet:

Not even an 8 month film delay can hold back the Disney-owned family channel from snagging cable rights to the sixth film. Variety reports this evening that the company recently made a late deal for Order of the Phoenix and a very early deal for Half-Blood Prince. The Potter franchise as a whole has done well for ABC Family:

The first four Potter movies — "Sorcerer’s Stone" (2001), "Chamber of Secrets" (2002), "Prisoner of Azkaban" (2004) and "Goblet of Fire" (2005) — are already under contract to ABC Family. Tom Zappala, senior VP of program acquisitions and scheduling for ABC Family, said the movies have become one of the bellwethers of the network’s annual "25 Days of Christmas" programming initiative, often getting key primetime slots.

I am excited. I am a big fan of ABC Family, and it shows the Harry Potter movies ALOT. It's awesome that they will have OoTP and HBP in the future for the first cable airing. And hopefully they will have the two DH movies. That will be a real HP Marathon! Even if it is a whole weekend to do it and it has commercials :lol:

As for the DADA class being cut out, it seems clear that the producers refuse to focus at all on the relationship between Snape and Harry.

Yes, we get more Snape- but it is always from a "look at him" point of view- if that makes sense. We never get an idea of how much Harry is repulsed or pre-occupied by Snape.

The irony of Half Blood Prince and the revelation of Prince = Snape relies on this relationship. But the producers have always used Snape as more of a simple foil to Harry. A background distraction and not much more.

It was understandable to some extent- up until OOP - but since then it's been a glaring omission.

Love this:

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Great juxtaposition of pics okrim :tu:
Love the parallelism.

Sometimes I notice on ABC Family is that they show extras scenes with each movie that can't be found sometimes on the dvd. I find this would be interesting at least for OOTP.

Those are the deleted scenes from the DVD, they're not really anything important.

Those are the deleted scenes from the DVD, they're not really anything important.
They are to me. I don't own the special edition of the dvds. Hopefully ABC Family will show the deleted scenes for HBP. I doubt it'll be shown on there for like two years after HBP has been out.

There aren't any 'special' editions really. It's something that the networks do, adding in the deleted scenes, to hopefully net people into watching the show on their station.

I've only seen the extras in Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secret, though, I've never seen the deleted scenes added into the other three films.

There aren't any 'special' editions really. It's something that the networks do, adding in the deleted scenes, to hopefully net people into watching the show on their station.

I've only seen the extras in Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secret, though, I've never seen the deleted scenes added into the other three films.

As far as I could tell when I watched them, POA and GOF didn't have any added scenes (okay well POA had an extra bird scene and a brief Sir Cadogan moment) but I was disappointed to not see much else.

GoF does have deleted scenes! It has a longer Yule Ball section with a performance by the Weird Sisters, and the discussion between Snape and Karkaroff about the Dark Mark (though no rosebushes, Snape instead takes points from a couple snogging in a carriage outside). Probably other stuff too, but those two are the most memorable.

If some of what is being described in the screening reports about the HBP movie gets cut, I do hope it makes it into the HBP deleted scenes, unlike what happened with OotP. (No Snape's Worst Memory, even though it was filmed, argh!).

I actually thought GoF had the best deleted scenes of them all.

I was very disappointed we got no exta decent footage in ootp- no SWM, no battle between sirius and bella, etc.

It would be great if for HBP we actually got the gaunts as a deleted scene- but I doubt they even filmed it at all.

Luna > Tonks (IMO)

I agree completely. Who finds Harry in the train is not really that important and I'm of "the more Luna the better" persuasion. I love the fact that the Spectrospecs do seem to work... it keeps the ambiguity of Luna's character and keeps you guessing if she is a total nutter or not.

I agree completely. Who finds Harry in the train is not really that important and I'm of "the more Luna the better" persuasion. I love the fact that the Spectrospecs do seem to work... it keeps the ambiguity of Luna's character and keeps you guessing if she is a total nutter or not.


I'm usually a book purist but this change doesn't bother me either. It's a small detail and it gives luna more screen time. I know it is at the expense of tonks, but they really didn't develop tonks much in ootp. Luna got a lot more screentime in ootp so it kind of makes sense that they would use a more familiar character. Plus, evanna lynch really is the quintessential luna.

It's the other changes and omissions that bothered me more.

GoF does have deleted scenes! It has a longer Yule Ball section with a performance by the Weird Sisters, and the discussion between Snape and Karkaroff about the Dark Mark (though no rosebushes, Snape instead takes points from a couple snogging in a carriage outside). Probably other stuff too, but those two are the most memorable.

If some of what is being described in the screening reports about the HBP movie gets cut, I do hope it makes it into the HBP deleted scenes, unlike what happened with OotP. (No Snape's Worst Memory, even though it was filmed, argh!).

I saw those deleted scenes on the special features section of the DVD but not inserted back in when GOF aired on ABC/ABC Family (were those scenes you mentioned on the TV broadcast?)

Leaky (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/9/27/even-more-glimpses-of-half-blood-prince-calendars) has more pictures from the HBP calenders, check them out!!!
*is surprised that no one else has posted this yet*

Leaky (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/9/27/even-more-glimpses-of-half-blood-prince-calendars) has more pictures from the HBP calenders, check them out!!!
*is surprised that no one else has posted this yet*

There is hardly any NEW pics there anyway - just repeats of every
*Knows something that gives NEW information coming in 1 hour :whistle:*

There is hardly any NEW pics there anyway - just repeats of every
*Knows something that gives NEW information coming in 1 hour :whistle:*

Ah, well. It was the thought that counted.
What do you mean by new info?

There is hardly any NEW pics there anyway - just repeats of every
*Knows something that gives NEW information coming in 1 hour :whistle:*

I wonder what that is....:whistle:


:cool:

So ArryGrotter is this news worth staying up for? It's 1:20am for me, but I'm curious what this news may be. :)

So ArryGrotter is this news worth staying up for? It's 1:20am for me, but I'm curious what this news may be. :)

Well, if you want to know anything and everything about HBP, you'll want to listen ;)

I'm excited to hear about the news.....I wonder what its about...

Well hopefully it'll get posted here, since I'm likely going to head off to sleep before long... I can read about it tomorrow. :)

Well hopefully it'll get posted here, since I'm likely going to head off to sleep before long... I can read about it tomorrow. :)

Oh, I don't think you'll be reading it...;)

I'm getting excited.....so we'll be watching it? r

ah, I think listen was the word I used... ;)

I'm getting excited.....so we'll be watching it? r

No. You just have to listen. :rockon:

I'm gonna guess

HBP soundtrack?

I heard there has been a delay :( - only 2 hours though, not 8 months ;)

Ooo, I'm so excited. :cool:

That'd be awesome if it was the soundtrack mjhaners. *hopes*

I really hope that it is the soundtrack...too bad its been delayed, but I can wait for another hour.

Don't get the hopes for the soundtrack...

...the test screening didn't have the soundtrack afterall, but what it did have...

(I'm annoyed at this delay too :( - It'll come when it comes..)

Don't get the hopes for the soundtrack...

...the test screening didn't have the soundtrack afterall, but what it did have...Is this a hint? :lol:

It's not the bootleg for the movie either. :p

It's not the bootleg for the movie either. :pHeh, I had a dream two nights ago that a bootleg was leaked and I was watching it, and the movie was actually very great. It was a good dream indeed, shame I woke up and it had never happened. :( :lol:

Heh, I had a dream two nights ago that a bootleg was leaked and I was watching it, and the movie was actually very great. It was a good dream indeed, shame I woke up and it had never happened. :( :lol:

:(

Well, actually with the amount of knowledge we are getting, your dreams may be more accurate ;)

How many more minutes before the thing were supposed to listen to comes out?

:(

Well, actually with the amount of knowledge we are getting, your dreams may be more accurate ;)True that. :agree:

You've been waiting haven't you? :p

HERE IT IS!!!!

The Birds, the Wizard and the Vanishing Cabinet: Rachezee Speaks - Part 1 of a Princewatch Exclusive Interview (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/index.html)

:D

Rachezee is the LeakyLounge member who saw the test screening!!!

Oh my gosh, I want to kill myself: my Sound Diffusors don't work.
*dies*

I'll definitely listen to this tomorrow, can't wait!

My first two cents - you guys have very different voices from what I'd imagined :D


My second cents - I should not be listening to this. I promised myself to steer clear of the leaked material before this film so when I'll sit in the cinema for the first time, I shouldn't get the feeling to have seen half of the film already. Alas, the damage is done. At least I know that I'm pretty excited to watching the movie, it sounds great. And after watching Amélie for the twentieth time yesterday, I really can't wait for the cinematography. Debonnel SO knows his way with lighting and colours and utterly beautiful shots :love:

My first two cents - you guys have very different voices from what I'd imagined :D


My second cents - I should not be listening to this. I promised myself to steer clear of the leaked material before this film so when I'll sit in the cinema for the first time, I shouldn't get the feeling to have seen half of the film already. Alas, the damage is done. At least I know that I'm pretty excited to watching the movie, it sounds great. And after watching Amélie for the twentieth time yesterday, I really can't wait for the cinematography. Debonnel SO knows his way with lighting and colours and utterly beautiful shots :love:

Did you miss the spoiler warning? :scared:

:lol: - we know almost everything now :lol:

Did you miss the spoiler warning? :scared:



The spoiler warning isn't the point, is it? If I could stick to my self-imposed reserve, I wouldn't be hanging around a thread like this one :lol:

Listening now.

Hey guys, let's stick more to actual discussion points, less to chatting please. Thanks!

I enjoyed listening to that quite a bit, several points I especially liked were...
Dumbledore telling Harry he wasn't being safe when coming for him at the beginning, it's just small details like that I love.

I don't believe these have been posted yet :whistle:

http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings_2/movies_hbp_promocalusa_06.jpghttp://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings_2/normal_movies_hbp_promocalusa_03.jpghttp://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings_2/movies_hbp_promocalusa_04.jpg

Personally I don't care at all for the look of the locket, but it is the fake one so hopefully the real locket will look better.

Ideally, since the film makers have already been handed a vision of the locket due to the UK covers, it should look like this :cool:

http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/books/coverArt/uk/normal_books_covers_ukdh_3.jpg


P.S. Listen to the podcast (linked in my sig)...I think you'll find it worthwhile :p

Gambon's photoshopped face looks creepy in that image. He reminds me of the Grinch.

No "S" on the locket? Guess that makes sense since it is the fake- right?

No "S" on the locket? Guess that makes sense since it is the fake- right?

I don't know, I don't remember details like this that well...so I may be wrong but:

Didn't Regulus perform a charm to duplicate the locket just as Hermione did at the ministry in DH???

If so, both of them should be exactly the same and that locket SHOULD have a S on it :hmm:

The fake locket didn't have a S on it.

I don't know, I don't remember details like this that well...so I may be wrong but:

Didn't Regulus perform a charm to duplicate the locket just as Hermione did at the ministry in DH???

If so, both of them should be exactly the same and that locket SHOULD have a S on it :hmm:

Regulus took a different locket to the cave with him and switched it for the real one. The fake locket did not look like Slytherin's locket. Harry noticed that when he picked the fake locket up by Dumbledore's body.

He turned the locket over in his hands. This was neither as large as the locket he remembered seeing in the Pensieve, nor were there any markings upon it, no sign of the ornate S that was supposed to be Slytherins mark. Moreover, there was nothing inside but for a scrap of folded parchment wedged tightly into the place where a portrait should have been.

So that picture works for the fake locket. It's supposed to look different so Harry can realize it's a fake when he looks at it.

I enjoyed listening to that quite a bit, several points I especially liked were...
Dumbledore telling Harry he wasn't being safe when coming for him at the beginning, it's just small details like that I love.

Yeah! That especially was a pleasure to know, cos he shouldn't really be in broad daylight in that train station, so its good that Dumbledore told him off :)

Regulus took a different locket to the cave with him and switched it for the real one. The fake locket did not look like Slytherin's locket. Harry noticed that when he picked the fake locket up by Dumbledore's body.

He turned the locket over in his hands. This was neither as large as the locket he remembered seeing in the Pensieve, nor were there any markings upon it, no sign of the ornate S that was supposed to be Slytherins mark. Moreover, there was nothing inside but for a scrap of folded parchment wedged tightly into the place where a portrait should have been.

So that picture works for the fake locket. It's supposed to look different so Harry can realize it's a fake when he looks at it.

I'm 100% certain that's the fake locket. The real locket doesn't play a role until DH, afterall (since the Gaunts are cut). This looks good for the fake locket - completey different to how the real locket would be.

I enjoyed listening to that quite a bit, several points I especially liked were...
Dumbledore telling Harry he wasn't being safe when coming for him at the beginning, it's just small details like that I love.

could you explain it? í'm spanish and i can't understand all

could you explain it? í'm spanish and i can't understand all

Harry is at a cafe by himself at the start when Dumbledore picks him up. Dumbledore tells him off for being in broad daylight and not in the safety of Privet Drive

Just wanted to say that I've listened to some of the princewatch podcast. I'm not done yet, but there have been some new thoughts about the film that have been an interesting listen. Thanks for sharing! :)

could you write the more relevance news?¿ thanks

Harry: I can apparate now!
Dumbledore: Yes, now that you've grown...

Have I heard wrong?!

Harry: I can apparate now!
Dumbledore: Yes, now that you've grown...

Have I heard wrong?!

I understood this had happened in the context of Harry Apparating alongside Dumbledore and asking that one, then, whether this had just been an Apparition, so that the concept as such would be introduced to the audience.

Exactly, I think it's a great solution to explain apparition.
The apparition lessons would have been boring on the screen.

Exactly, I think it's a great solution to explain apparition.
The apparition lessons would have been boring on the screen.

Would they? I think they would have been great fun...especially to see some splinching :cool:

IMO, it seems once again they are "shooting themselves in the foot" by making yet another cut. Apparition is used SO much in DH and the movie audience is going to be thoroughly confused by all the disappearing and reappearing in the next movie :shrug:

Well, at least the description of the special effect for Apparition in HBP is awesome (and canon) :clap:

in additon, I'm glad this is at least referenced:
Harry: I thought you couldn't apparate or dissaparate within the grounds of Hogwarts
because it would have been ridiculous (and caused problems for DH) if the Death Eaters just apparated away inside Hogwarts :relax:

Although, since there are no protections around the school and there are no AURORS gaurding the entrances, WHY is the Vanishing Cabinet needed? (:p)...they could just walk in through the Hogwarts Gates (as Harry and Luna do) :lol: I don't know, they are going to create a lot of questions in the minds of the viewers (plot holes)...but they obviously don't care about things like that...for instance events in OotP will have viewers questioning why Harry doesn't just BOMBARDA MAXIMA! the door to the RoR in HBP :shrug:


EDIT:

Now that Rachel has further explained and given her views of the Burrow Attack...I am quite upset that they cut the battle at the end (it would NOT have been repetitive) and replaced it with this contrived action sequence in the middle of the film...CURSE YOU WB :grumble:

BTW, if your confused...I don't believe the Burrow Attack questions are until Part 2 of the interview :elaugh:

Wizards being able to teleport is not something that requires explanation. No-one is going to question an idea that has already been established in a multitude of literature. It would be like asking for a lesson that shows them learning to light their wands. It is not required, no one will question the skill, and it wouldn't contribute to the story. The apparition lessons were a fun little thing that expanded the scope of wizard education and contained a few humorous tidbits. They were nothing more. There are a lot more things that are more important.

Wizards being able to teleport is not something that requires explanation. No-one is going to question an idea that has already been established in a multitude of literature. It would be like asking for a lesson that shows them learning to light their wands. It is not required, no one will question the skill, and it wouldn't contribute to the story. The apparition lessons were a fun little thing that expanded the scope of wizard education and contained a few humorous tidbits. They were nothing more. There are a lot more things that are more important.

Umm, maybe I'm overlooking something or don't understand how casual movie audiences think but:

Apparition is a very powerful form of magic and the most efficient method of transport in the HP universe...it NEEDS to be explained :p

Just think how many possibilties and problems arrise if things such as Anti-Disapparition Jinxes (Hogwarts) weren't utilized or Houselves could NOT apparate in places wizards can't (Malfoy Manor)...Apparition is very IMPORTANT...it could have effected the entire plot :wow:

where is the sound for apparating, i want to hear it

where is the sound for apparating, i want to hear it

umm, what? :whistle:

I think you misunderstood (:lol:)...Rachel has given a description of the special effect used for apparition in HBP

something along the lines of "squeezing through a tube"...I can't remember exactly what she said, you'll have to listen to the podcast :p

Well, they've already shown people apparating in OotP. Fred and George do it and it's pretty clear that they are doing some sort of teleportation around the house. They can disappear from one place and reappear in another. I don't know if needs much more explanation than that. If it's pretty clear in OotP it will probably be clear in HBP especially with the little bit of explanation that exists there. I don't think lessons are necessary.

If they wanted to include another lesson of some sort, I'd rather they included DADA. I think this is the first film where we don't have one lesson in that class, and it's silly since it's partly the resolution of a story thread that's been going since the first film.

I heard something on Checkmated forums about a scene at the end of the movie and I was wondering if Rachezee or someone could confirm this.

Something about Hermione telling Harry that Ron doesn't care if Harry dates Ginny?

Umm, maybe I'm overlooking something or don't understand how casual movie audiences think but:

Apparition is a very powerful form of magic and the most efficient method of transport in the HP universe...it NEEDS to be explained :p

Just think how many possibilties and problems arrise if things such as Anti-Disapparition Jinxes (Hogwarts) weren't utilized or Houselves could NOT apparate in places wizards can't (Malfoy Manor)...Apparition is very IMPORTANT...it could have effected the entire plot :wow:

Wimsey, help!!!
Casual viewers don't think at this, they just watch the movie.
The Anti-Disapparition Jinxes and other things like this sound incomprehensible in a cinema.
So, being able to pass Apparition like a 'wizard nature' works much better.
The plot of a movie, needs to be simplified, not burdened with potter trivias.

Would they? I think they would have been great fun...especially to see some splinching :cool:

IMO, it seems once again they are "shooting themselves in the foot" by making yet another cut. Apparition is used SO much in DH and the movie audience is going to be thoroughly confused by all the disappearing and reappearing in the next movie :shrug:

Well, at least the description of the special effect for Apparition in HBP is awesome (and canon) :clap:



Yeah, I wanted the apparition lessons in too. I think it would have been a fun sequence, and the audience would have learned a lot about the rules of apparition. It seems like they always end up cutting a lot of the classes. I think PoA was probably the last time we got more than one class. Each film since then seems to only allow 1 type of class /film i.e. gof- moody- defense against the dark arts, ootp- umbridge- defense of the dark arts, and now hbp- we'll probably just get potions.

I'm sure they could have edited out any number of the multiple romantic comedy sequences to fit this or the gaunts or the house elves in (sigh.)

Wimsey, help!!!
Casual viewers don't think at this, they just watch the movie.
The Anti-Disapparition Jinxes and other things like this sound incomprehensible in a cinema.
So, being able to pass Apparition like a 'wizard nature' works much better.
The plot of a movie, needs to be simplified, not burdened with potter trivias.

I suspect he's otherwise occupied! :D

In the HP films, magic happens. The audiences don't dwell on it. They don't ask themselves how the Mirror of Erised works, or whatever. They weren't confused about the workings of portkeys, despite the grim predictions of book purists. Show the important magical element - portkey, apparition, whatever - early on in the film and have Hermione or some-one state any limitations, i.e. "We cannot apparate out of Hogwarts Ron, you idiot!"

During the Stalk!Draco! business, have Hermione or some-one say: "But he can't apparate out of Hogwarts".

The only lessons I would show in HBP are the ones which contain real dramatic meat, as opposed to Potterverse trivia. In other words, the ones which provide a setting for the clashes between Harry and Snape.

Umm, maybe I'm overlooking something or don't understand how casual movie audiences think but:

Apparition is a very powerful form of magic and the most efficient method of transport in the HP universe...it NEEDS to be explained :p

Just think how many possibilties and problems arrise if things such as Anti-Disapparition Jinxes (Hogwarts) weren't utilized or Houselves could NOT apparate in places wizards can't (Malfoy Manor)...Apparition is very IMPORTANT...it could have effected the entire plot :wow:

I don't think the mechanics of apparating are necessary - though I do agree the class would have been a good scene. I think the two things that they need to set up/explain are the fact that there are places where wizards cannot apparate and house-elves can - like Hogwarts - and splinching. The class sets up both of those things very well with Professor Twycross explaining that Dumbledore had lifted the anti-apparition jinx in the Great Hall only - which also sets up that Dumbledore had that ability - as well as splinching with Hannah Abbott. Those are the elements that are significant to the plot.

Although, since there are no protections around the school and there are no AURORS gaurding the entrances, WHY is the Vanishing Cabinet needed? (:p)...they could just walk in through the Hogwarts Gates (as Harry and Luna do) :lol: I don't know, they are going to create a lot of questions in the minds of the viewers (plot holes)...but they obviously don't care about things like that...for instance events in OotP will have viewers questioning why Harry doesn't just BOMBARDA MAXIMA! the door to the RoR in HBP :shrug:

But, I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere that Harry has no clue that Draco is using the RoR in the Movie - he only knows of the Cabinet :whistle: - I'd need a quote on that and I think I too am jumpy to something not released yet.

Umm, maybe I'm overlooking something or don't understand how casual movie audiences think but:

Apparition is a very powerful form of magic and the most efficient method of transport in the HP universe...it NEEDS to be explained :p

Just think how many possibilties and problems arrise if things such as Anti-Disapparition Jinxes (Hogwarts) weren't utilized or Houselves could NOT apparate in places wizards can't (Malfoy Manor)...Apparition is very IMPORTANT...it could have effected the entire plot :wow:

The Movie needs only to explain the parameters of Apparation (ie can't in Hogwarts WHICH THEY DO!!! :D - It's not Hermione that says it though :lol: and the House-elves' abilities, which I think will be set up in DH). It needs not to set up Apparation. Apparation has already been seen in OotP (and as early as PS, if you feel like going there) and needs no real explaination.

Edit: MORE CALENDAR PICS!!!! :D

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-half-blood-prince-2009-wall-calendar-scans-59494/

Hermione's paper has a picture of AMELIA BONES! With the headline "...at her house"!!!!

Ohhh, new images!
Well here are three:
http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/uscalendar/hermione.jpg
Look in the bottom left corner, a reference to the late Madam Bones

http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/uscalendar/tonkslupin.jpg
One of the best pics ever!

http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/uscalendar/luna.jpg
Ahhhh! Luna!


EDIT: Dangit! Arry beat me :(

:lol: - well you actaully have the pictures there :)

just one you missed - of McClaggen...

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/2vteanpdn9.jpg

And I was talking about Amelia Bones, wasn't I?:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/amelia.jpg

Edit: AND it looks to be from this part of the film (after the Burrow attack):

Harry and Ginny slowly step out of the reeds, stare at each other wordlessly. Then...Ron, Fred, George, Arthur and Lupin come thrashing into the clearing, stop. All around them, the reeds SMOKE, the flames dying. Across the marsh,
Bellatrix's cackle rises briefly on the air--then all is quiet.

HERMIONE (O.S.)
You're lucky you weren't killed.

85 INT. CORRIDOR/HOGWARTS CASTLE - SAME TIME - DAY

Hermione reads the Daily Prophet as she walks alongside Harry. The HEADLINE is GLOOMY: `MORE DISAPPEARANCES.`

HERMIONE
You have to realize who you are, Harry.

HARRY
(sharply)
I know who I am, Hermione, alright?
(frowning)
Sorry.

HERMIONE
So tell me what Arthur said.

HARRY
If Dumbledore's travelling places, it's news to the Ministry. But get this: that night at Borgin & Burkes? It seems Draco was looking at a Vanishing Cabinet.

HERMIONE
What would Draco want with a Vanishing Cabinet?

Hermione's paper has a picture of AMELIA BONES! With the headline "...at her house"!!!!

And Gringott's is being raided! I wonder what for. Didn't the interferences with Gringott's not start happening until after the Ministry fell in DH.

In other news, Ghosts demand housing benefits. Hee.

ETA: Hang on a second. Amelia Bones was killed during the summer before HBP. Hers is one of the deaths discussed during the chat with the Prime Minister. Hmm....does Ms. Bones get granted a reprieve or does she get killed later in the movie?

ETA: Hang on a second. Amelia Bones was killed during the summer before HBP. Hers is one of the deaths discussed during the chat with the Prime Minister. Hmm....does Ms. Bones get granted a reprieve or does she get killed later in the movie?

I think she's killed later in the film - Hermione's in uniform afterall.

*sputter* *cough* *cough* ??? Kansas City ???


http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9062/hbpcalendarqh5.jpg

Ohhh, new images!
Well here are three:
http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/uscalendar/hermione.jpg
Look in the bottom left corner, a reference to the late Madam Bones

http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/uscalendar/tonkslupin.jpg
One of the best pics ever!

http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/uscalendar/luna.jpg
Ahhhh! Luna!


EDIT: Dangit! Arry beat me :(

Luv the new pics! Well, at least they plan on still releasing all these 2009 calendars. It gives us more sneak pics of the film so I'm all for it :)

My favorite pic is ron lying in his bed, with that lovesick look on his face :lol:

As for cormac, I think it's cute that jo has hermione (the prototypical "brainy girl") be the object of affection of all these jocks (first krum, now cormac:lol::lol:) yet her heart belongs to ron :)

As for cormac, I think it's cute that jo has hermione (the prototypical "brainy girl") be the object of affection of all these jocks (first krum, now cormac:lol::lol:) yet her heart belongs to ron :)

Oh, well... Cormack in the book is a bit of an idiot (and a bigger bit than most), I'm not sure how flattered Hermione should feel. As for the film version - Emma Watson is a very pretty girl, so her Hermione would attract lots of guys, wouldn't she, who don't find her brains as appealing as otherwise. ;)



As for the new photos - :tu: Bonnie Wright looks very sweet on her calendar page, like a veritable love interest for the hero.

Is it just me, or are they putting the merchandise as if they were indicating Draco might be the Half-blod Prince? I don't remember much (calendar etc) spotlight on him for the last movies, other than the odd action figurine.

Is it just me, or are they putting the merchandise as if they were indicating Draco might be the Half-blod Prince? I don't remember much (calendar etc) spotlight on him for the last movies, other than the odd action figurine.

Well, they certainly are having more of Draco this time (because of his extra presence in the film) - and Snape is still hiding in his shadows...

I think it is more coincidence that the extra presence of Draco in the merchandise can make the purchaser think Draco is the HBP. As this merchandise is being sold before the film, it is good that the audience will be mislead before seeing the film ;)

Wimsey, help!!!
<flash of smoke> *Cough, cough* Huh? I've been summoned from my otherwise occupation! :p

So, being able to pass Apparition like a 'wizard nature' works much better.
The plot of a movie, needs to be simplified, not burdened with potter trivias.
Klaus has the right of it. Apparition is like any other plot device: the gun fired late should be shown early. So, it should be established that Harry can apparate at some point. The other details really are not too important. This is basically as mr_futterman wrote: show, to establish what something is (the way that Order showed the DA learning spells and the spells that would be important and that Goblet showed Avada Kedavra and Imperius, and should have shown Polyjuice!).

The shields can be explained elsewise. After all, the film should establish that there is a siege mentality, and that Hogwarts is a bastion against that siege. Therefore, the movie needs to show that Hogwarts is protected. If they tell that Apparition is prevented, then this can be done only after we are shown what it is.

As for the lessons, Harry Potter fans might enjoy them, but Joe and Jane Public would find splinching a gratuitous sight-gag, or (worse!) a plot-hole of sorts: why doesn't is just kill the splinched person? It would only raise questions and fail to forward the plot while contributing nothing to the story. It really is much more important that the film focus on telling the story of Harry's personal politics: and there is plenty of room for entertaining scenes with that.

So, just put this gun on the wall succinctly and fire it when it is needed.

The teaser poster has been seen

I love it.

Simple but elegant
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4823/cineposterhy7.jpg

You can just see the dark mark there in his eye

You can just see the dark mark there in his eye

The teaser poster has been seen

I love it.

Simple but elegant
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4823/cineposterhy7.jpg

You can just see the dark mark there in his eye

You can just see the dark mark there in his eye


Is this real?

If so, it definitely has an ominous tone with that odd angle. It's not what I expected but very effective. I just thought for sure they would end up having the pic of dumbldore and harry in the cave that we've seen in the calendars. This is fine too though.

Oh, well... Cormack in the book is a bit of an idiot (and a bigger bit than most), I'm not sure how flattered Hermione should feel. As for the film version - Emma Watson is a very pretty girl, so her Hermione would attract lots of guys, wouldn't she, who don't find her brains as appealing as otherwise. ;)

That's true :lol: Emma is definitely a prettier hermione than what's described in the books.





Is it just me, or are they putting the merchandise as if they were indicating Draco might be the Half-blod Prince? I don't remember much (calendar etc) spotlight on him for the last movies, other than the odd action figurine.

That's true. Maybe the are trying to hint that draco is the HBP. I actually think that would be a good thing so it will be a surprise when the real identity is revealed.

The teaser poster has been seen

I love it.

Simple but elegant
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4823/cineposterhy7.jpg

You can just see the dark mark there in his eye


Oooh! I hope this is real! I like it! Very ominous. "All Will Be Lost"... Wonderful! Sets a good theme to the movie.

And yes, I do kind of see the Dark Mark in his eye. Wicked.

Well, given that Hermione is in fact a pretty girl (at least in Harry's eyes) once her teeth and hair have been fixed, I don't find Ms Watson's casting as Hermione problematic, really.

The book has no descriptions of Hermione at Slughorn's party, besides mentioning that her hair is dishevelled after Cormac gets at her under the mistletoe, but I think it's a fair assumption that she looks pretty there too. I do wonder how it's going to look on-screen (sorry, not looking at spoilers here- I have a feeling that by the time we get the film in theatres, we'll know everything about it) :).

Klaus has the right of it.


Oh i love this sentence, either with my real name or my username.
And don't you find terribly cunning from Steve Kloves, replace the Dursley scene with just one line?

When Dumbledore reprimands Harry to not have waited for him in his uncle's house!
Dumbledore so wanted to meet Vernon and Petunia, but Harry beated him on timing! :lol:

I think Kloves knows his Harry Potter, I'm expecting great things from HBP, I'm just disappointed that the Lord Voldemort's Request scene isn't there.

And don't you find terribly cunning from Steve Kloves, replace the Dursley scene with just one line?

When Dumbledore reprimands Harry to not have waited for him in his uncle's house!
Dumbledore so wanted to meet Vernon and Petunia, but Harry beated him on timing! :lol:

I think Kloves knows his Harry Potter, I'm expecting great things from HBP, I'm just disappointed that the Lord Voldemort's Request scene isn't there.

Oh very cunning. I hadn't heard about this until I listened to PrinceWatch, and I thought it was a VERY good idea. Even though it was said that a scene with Petunia and Dudley had apparently been shot? Maybe it will be a deleted scene. Who knows? Anyway, I think it is very smart to do this. Having Dumbledore reprimand Harry replaces the Dursleys scene with just a line, and it also has Dumbledore warning Harry that he really shouldn't be out in the open in dangerous times like this! Brilliant!

Even though it was said that a scene with Petunia and Dudley had apparently been shot? Maybe it will be a deleted scene.

No, their character just appeared out of thin air in IMDB list, and since IMDB is not a very reliable source, since anyone can edit their cast lists, it was probably a lame joke.
I expect the Dursleys to be in DH, though.

I think Kloves knows his Harry Potter, I'm expecting great things from HBP, I'm just disappointed that the Lord Voldemort's Request scene isn't there.


Yes, it would have been nice to have that too- probably one of my favorite memories in HBP.

If that poster is real, it's strange that both the teaser and now this poster focus on the ominous aspects of the film, yet all the test screeners have pretty much said that HBP is really a romantic comedy. I wonder why they are promoting it this way if the lighthearted romance is what they emphasized in the film.

Oh very cunning. I hadn't heard about this until I listened to PrinceWatch, and I thought it was a VERY good idea. Even though it was said that a scene with Petunia and Dudley had apparently been shot? Maybe it will be a deleted scene. Who knows? Anyway, I think it is very smart to do this. Having Dumbledore reprimand Harry replaces the Dursleys scene with just a line, and it also has Dumbledore warning Harry that he really shouldn't be out in the open in dangerous times like this! Brilliant!

I must say that participating in Princewatch and actually talking to Rachezee really eased my mind about this film - particularly with this scene. When I saw the initial comments that Harry was just going to be sitting out in the open with no protection, I felt that greatly undermined the idea that they were at war and the danger that should be prevalent here. Learning that this is actually addressed with Dumbledore reprimanding Harry for being careless in such dangerous times was a huge relief.

I don't think this really serves to replace the Dursleys though. It is a good way to demonstrate that Harry is in danger and should not be out in the open like that, but it doesn't address the significant plot point about why Harry has to live with the Dursleys in the first place - the protection charm that Dumbledore set up and Petunia reluctantly agreeing to it. This really should have been included, IMO, because they need to lay the foundation for why Harry would willingly go back to the Dursleys when Dumbledore is no longer around to make sure he does as well as why they were forced to go to such extremes to remove Harry from Privet Dr. safely in DH. They've left themselves with a lot of significant points that will have to be introduced and explained at the beginning of DH and I'm still not sure how they're going to cram all of that in without detracting from the story.

I love all the new pictures we've gotten! And that teaser poster - if it is real - looks great. :)

I don't think this really serves to replace the Dursleys though. It is a good way to demonstrate that Harry is in danger and should not be out in the open like that, but it doesn't address the significant plot point about why Harry has to live with the Dursleys in the first place - the protection charm that Dumbledore set up and Petunia reluctantly agreeing to it. This really should have been included, IMO, because they need to lay the foundation for why Harry would willingly go back to the Dursleys when Dumbledore is no longer around to make sure he does as well as why they were forced to go to such extremes to remove Harry from Privet Dr. safely in DH. They've left themselves with a lot of significant points that will have to be introduced and explained at the beginning of DH and I'm still not sure how they're going to cram all of that in without detracting from the story.


There are ways to do it. Just having Mad-Eye Moody explaining exactly what was explained by him in the book will tell the audience all they need to know. "You will no longer call this place home when you leave tonight, right?" "Then the charm Dumbledore put on this place so many years ago will leave when we leave." And so on and so forth. All that is needed to be said. I mean, even the Dursleys can be left out of DH and Harry can be in the house and Moody and the others come. It will look like OoTP in a way, but this time it will be much better with the Seven Potters storyline. But that is for the DH thread. I was just replying to what you said :D

Wow, it's been awhile since I've visited!

So, I listened to a bit of the podcast - well done, thanks for posting it - and I missed some of the stuff on Spinner's End. Given the image of the Unbreakable Vow, it's in the movie to some extent, no? In the calender image of Snape, we see a brick building (the house?) and a smokestack... said disgusting and dirty place where Snape grew up?

And regarding the apparition... apparition isn't necessary for plot at the moment. It would have been a nice detail and a funny thing to see. But I have a feeling the extent of the funny things are going to be the romances, sports, etc. The rest of the time will be taken up by Dd lessons, flashbacks, and the more serious elements.

This may be more pertinent to the Deathly Hallows thread, but if Dobby is absent from HBP, then I think we may be able to assume that his death will be in the DH2 because he must be sufficiently reintroduced for his death to have any kind of impact.

okay, i have read everything on this topic that is posted here- (mad props to everyone)
does ANYONE

okay, i have read everything on this topic that is posted here- (mad props to everyone)
does ANYONE have ANY idea of what they are going to do about the things that are IMPORTANT that they are leaving out?
the dobby/kreacher issue for example- HELLLOOOO!!!!! am i the only one who sees that this is a problem????
i just don't know, i understand but i don't understand and I know harry

will they actually take the time to fix these things or are they just going to make something up at the end of the last movie?
UGH-

does ANYONE have ANY idea of what they are going to do about the things that are IMPORTANT that they are leaving out?

They are not going to do anything, because they are not leaving anything important out.



will they actually take the time to fix these things or are they just going to make something up at the end of the last movie?
UGH-

There is nothing to fix.

Oh i love this sentence, either with my real name or my username.Of course, the population of people who don't is a rather small one.... :cool:

And don't you find terribly cunning from Steve Kloves, replace the Dursley scene with just one line?Also, it is a nice "biscuit" for the fans. It will just be meaningless introductory dialogue of the sort that two friends (or mentor and padawan) might exchange to Joe and Jane Public, who might recall that Harry has an aunt & uncle (what Harry-like character doesn't live with his aunt and/or uncle, anyway? :cool:).

Lord of the Rings did this when Merry refers to the Old Forest as a way of telling the audience what the tree-noises were. This was a case where the film had to tell, anyway: real trees do not groan, and trees don't have lips to "show" the sounds. Joe and Jane Public got the idea: oh, some trees are somewhat animated in Middle-earth; Joe Tolkien Geek squeeled in delight!

I think Kloves knows his Harry Potter, I'm expecting great things from HBP, I'm just disappointed that the Lord Voldemort's Request scene isn't there.I agree, but only as a fan-boy. If I take off my fan-boy hat, then I have to think that this scene really is a teaser trailer for the next story. Like the Dursleys (and unlike some of the other Riddle memories), it contributes nothing to the story: it provides no real contrast in Voldemort's and Harry's personal political decisions.

What would be better is if they can find some way to squeeze this into Hallows. If you think about it, they almost have to do so: they cannot expect the audience to remember one scene from a 2.5 hour movie after 2 years!

One solution is to have Harry glean this from Voldemort's mind somehow. Of course, they might conclude that the scene really is not necessary: after all, knowing what the Horcrux was was not important once in the Vault; it was finding the Vault that was important. If Harry states that they are looking for Hufflepuff's or Ravenclaw's signs, Ron asks what they are, and Hermione then fills him in (i.e., following 99% of Rowling's dialog with the trio!), then the audience will know as soon as they see a badger on a cup!


he dobby/kreacher issue for example- HELLLOOOO!!!!! am i the only one who sees that this is a problem????How is this a problem? Harry can figure out that Malfoy is using the Room of Requirement in any number of ways. Order did the same general thing, after all.

will they actually take the time to fix these things or are they just going to make something up at the end of the last movie?I am with mrfutterman: what is to "fix"? The Hallows movie cannot "fix" anything about the Prince movie any more than the Hallows book could "fix" aspects of Prince.

It really is a topic for the Hallows movie thread, but for Dobby and Kreacher to work in the Hallows movie, the Hallows movie will have to develop them. People will not remember things about quaternary characters (except, perhaps, that one of them is annoying like Jar-Jar!) 18 months later.

(If you doubt this, then simply look at the U.S. presidential election: issues that were important just 4 weeks ago now are forgotten because of other issues: and, believe it or not, people pay just a little more attention to this than to fantasy films!)

okay, i have read everything on this topic that is posted here- (mad props to everyone)
does ANYONE have ANY idea of what they are going to do about the things that are IMPORTANT that they are leaving out?
the dobby/kreacher issue for example- HELLLOOOO!!!!! am i the only one who sees that this is a problem????
i just don't know, i understand but i don't understand and I know harry

will they actually take the time to fix these things or are they just going to make something up at the end of the last movie?
UGH-

*raises hand* i see no house elves as a problem! i think the plan is (from what we've heard...see the HBP list in ArryGrotter's sig for LOTS more info, if you haven't gone there already) for them to be re-introduced in the first part of DH, but honestly, i think that this will be a problem. very few casual viewers will remeber dobby from way back in CoS, and Kreacher was BARELY mentioned in OoTP. but that's a discussion for the DH thread. But since we already know the basic outline of the film from test screening viewers, i'd assume that everything will be brought up in DH instead. not the smartest move, imo, but hopefully it will all get there.

okay, i have read everything on this topic that is posted here- (mad props to everyone)
does ANYONE

okay, i have read everything on this topic that is posted here- (mad props to everyone)
does ANYONE have ANY idea of what they are going to do about the things that are IMPORTANT that they are leaving out?
the dobby/kreacher issue for example- HELLLOOOO!!!!! am i the only one who sees that this is a problem????
i just don't know, i understand but i don't understand and I know harry

will they actually take the time to fix these things or are they just going to make something up at the end of the last movie?
UGH-

Rest assured that they are aware of the mistakes they have made. Both Kloves and Heyman have admitted to this and indicated that they have something in mind to rectify those errors.

I'm still looking for the interview with Kloves, but here is what Heyman had to say about it. You can read the full interview here (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/exclusive-david-heyman-talks-dumbledore-s-funeral-hogwarts-battle-more-update-4-a-59248/). :)

After the move of HBP to next year, we were uncertain if you were still going to do those test screenings, and I think its safe to say we were all thrilled with those reports from the first screenings-I know I can’t wait to see the movie! However, given there has to be cuts in beloved characters such as the House Elves, can you tell us if these things will impact the development of movie seven and eight (ie events at Gringotts/Grimmauld place and we love Dobby!).

DAVID HEYMAN: Inevitably there will be certain things that we will probably have to introduce and emphasise in the Seventh film. Before we read the Seventh book there had been things in the earlier films that we had not realized how important they were. There was an example in the Fifth film when we were considering cutting Kreacher but Jo [Rowling] said to me…"I wouldn’t do that if I were you"…She didn’t tell us why, but she said we would be advised to keep him. And of course in the Seventh book Kreacher is an important character. It has been a while, for example, since we have seen Dobby and I suspect we are going to have to make more of Dobby in Seven than we might have done. I think we have done a pretty good job of what we need in terms of the plot.

So they do have something in mind regarding Kreacher and Dobby. Kloves also discusses how cutting Bill turned out to be a mistake and it appears they have something in mind regarding him as well. I do think putting all of this off until the last movie was a really big mistake and I'm not sure if they will be able to cram all of these important plot points in there satisfactorily, but these comments have given me hope because they are at least acknowledging the error and implying that they have plans to fix it.

ETA -

:welcome: to the forums!

okay, i have read everything on this topic that is posted here- (mad props to everyone)
does ANYONE

okay, i have read everything on this topic that is posted here- (mad props to everyone)
does ANYONE have ANY idea of what they are going to do about the things that are IMPORTANT that they are leaving out?
the dobby/kreacher issue for example- HELLLOOOO!!!!! am i the only one who sees that this is a problem????
i just don't know, i understand but i don't understand and I know harry

will they actually take the time to fix these things or are they just going to make something up at the end of the last movie?
UGH-

:welcome: to the Forums!!

You are certainly not the only one. I'm one of mind that these movies are all part of one big series and thus inter-connected. Sure they could be seen as stand alone in certain ways, but that doesn't mean I think a film should cut everything else from the world and story that does not forward one underlying theme. HP is too complex a tale for that IMO. Re-occurring characters over the course of several movies always help for the audience to grow a bond with these characters so that their deaths do not feel contrived or watered down.

For instance, Sirius's death lacked impact for many people in the film because, GOF did not do a decent enough job of building him up and keeping him in the audience's mind. POA did a great job IMO establishing Sirius but then he falls off the face of the world in GOF (except for one little fireplace scene where you can't even tell it is him if you are not a big fan.) So he just re-appearers in OOTP and died at the end. It felt set-up, contrived and lacked the depth and GRADUAL natural build-up that would have been had he had a fluid and consistent arc over the course of three films.

Now, in my opinion, this is very similar to Dobby. Without Dobby's arc over the course of the films, his death might end up feeling thrown in, random and contrived. Sure people may feel sad but it will not be nearly as powerful had he been a re-occurring face in the movies.

very few casual viewers will remeber dobby from way back in CoS, and Kreacher was BARELY mentioned in OoTP. but that's a discussion for the DH thread. But since we already know the basic outline of the film from test screening viewers, i'd assume that everything will be brought up in DH instead. not the smartest move, imo, but hopefully it will all get there.

But you, yourself, tell us why it is a smart move. Audiences will not remember these things from prior movies; so, that means that anything important to DH has to be presented in DH. Presenting it in Prince does not cut it: audiences are not going to remember 18 months later. (Indeed, this was a complaint about Hallows: Dobby simply appeared from nowhere and then died; many readers did not remember exactly who he was until after his death, when Harry recounted mentally his interactions with the elf, and that diminished the impact of Dobby's death.

The question this is, do Dobby and Kreacher further the Prince story? The answer is (in my unhumble opinion) that they do not: they are plot devices only for furthering the Draco plotline and storyline. Unlike Draco, Snape, Ginny, etc., Harry makes no decisions about personal politics involving Dobby or Kreacher themselves).

And that brings us back to Chekhovs' Rule: the gun shown early must be fired before the story is over. The elfs are guns shown early but never fired, or at least no fired in any way that cannot be replaced with another gun. That brings us to Shakespeare's Rule: brevity is the soul of wit!

Without Dobby's arc over the course of the films, his death might end up feeling thrown in, random and contrived. Sure people may feel sad but it will not be nearly as powerful had he been a re-occurring face in the movies.Given that this was a criticism of the book, too, this means simply having Dobby in prior films will not work. For Dobby's death to mean anything, Dobby has to be an established character in Hallows. 18 months prior will not work!

Firstly, I notice by sig is mentioned so I should post :lol:

Secondly,The teaser poster has been seen

I love it.

Simple but elegant
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4823/cineposterhy7.jpg

You can just see the dark mark there in his eye

I don't think I could count the amount of times you have shown us posters without a source, umbridge, so it's fake to me.

Also, WB would not have a poster out and about without us fans knowing :no:

Given that this was a criticism of the book, too, this means simply having Dobby in prior films will not work. For Dobby's death to mean anything, Dobby has to be an established character in Hallows. 18 months prior will not work!

I never said he didn't have to be re-introduced and developed over Deathly Hallows as well, I'm just saying it would have been nice for him to have been a re-occurring background character throughout the movies, to have a proper character ARC.

Hey, they keep Filch in every movie. What does he have to do with personal politics? ;)

Rest assured that they are aware of the mistakes they have made. Both Kloves and Heyman have admitted to this and indicated that they have something in mind to rectify those errors.

I'm still looking for the interview with Kloves, but here is what Heyman had to say about it. You can read the full interview here (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/exclusive-david-heyman-talks-dumbledore-s-funeral-hogwarts-battle-more-update-4-a-59248/). :)

After the move of HBP to next year, we were uncertain if you were still going to do those test screenings, and I think its safe to say we were all thrilled with those reports from the first screenings-I know I can’t wait to see the movie! However, given there has to be cuts in beloved characters such as the House Elves, can you tell us if these things will impact the development of movie seven and eight (ie events at Gringotts/Grimmauld place and we love Dobby!).

DAVID HEYMAN: Inevitably there will be certain things that we will probably have to introduce and emphasise in the Seventh film. Before we read the Seventh book there had been things in the earlier films that we had not realized how important they were. There was an example in the Fifth film when we were considering cutting Kreacher but Jo [Rowling] said to me…"I wouldn’t do that if I were you"…She didn’t tell us why, but she said we would be advised to keep him. And of course in the Seventh book Kreacher is an important character. It has been a while, for example, since we have seen Dobby and I suspect we are going to have to make more of Dobby in Seven than we might have done. I think we have done a pretty good job of what we need in terms of the plot.

So they do have something in mind regarding Kreacher and Dobby. Kloves also discusses how cutting Bill turned out to be a mistake and it appears they have something in mind regarding him as well. I do think putting all of this off until the last movie was a really big mistake and I'm not sure if they will be able to cram all of these important plot points in there satisfactorily, but these comments have given me hope because they are at least acknowledging the error and implying that they have plans to fix it.



Thanks for posting that meesha. It's good to know that they're considering it after all. Kreacher is really really important in DH, and Dobby's death was probably one of the best-written scenes in the book. also, i don't see how they're going to get out of malfoy manor without him. what, is nigel going to develop super powers?



You are certainly not the only one. I'm one of mind that these movies are all part of one big series and thus inter-connected. Sure they could be seen as stand alone in certain ways, but that doesn't mean I think a film should cut everything else from the world and story that does not forward one underlying theme. HP is too complex a tale for that IMO. Re-occurring characters over the course of several movies always help for the audience to grow a bond with these characters so that their deaths do not feel contrived or watered down.


i am SO with you on this. i mean, who goes to see a movie that's the sequel to another movie, or part of a series, without seeing the previous ones? that's usually my reason for not seeing sequel movies. these stories all weave together as books, and they should work just the same as films. yes, there are elements that stand alone, but overall these films need to work together, and by cutting out characters and re-arranging actions, some of that is lost. Jo always made sure to keep some of the smaller characters in mind in the books for when she would need them later. dobby appears several times throughout the series to remind us of his complete and utter devotion to harry, and it is something that could have been done the same way in the films, but wasn't.

I never said he didn't have to be re-introduced and developed over Deathly Hallows as well, I'm just saying it would have been nice for him to have been a re-occurring background character throughout the movies, to have a proper character ARC.

Hey, they keep Filch in every movie. What does he have to do with personal politics? ;)

Maybe Filch will die in the place of Dobby.
Think about this, as keeper of Hogwarts he's basically a house elf!:whistle:
Jokes apart, there really is no need for dobby or kreacher or some other elf of doom in half blood prince.
The important thing is that someone has to die in the Malfoy Manor for Harry, for the effect on him must be 'hellooooo you should hunt down horcruxes, not trashing around in a tent'.
Even Rowling admitted that Dobby died for a literature device: so he could not tell Harry who sent him!
Not to make us mourn Dobby!
So make some well known face appear in Malfoy Manor (Dobby, Filch, Mrs Norris, Neville, Fred, the waitress in the bar at the beginning of HBP, anyone!) and let him/her meet Bellatrix.

Thanks for posting that meesha. It's good to know that they're considering it after all. Kreacher is really really important in DH, and Dobby's death was probably one of the best-written scenes in the book. also, i don't see how they're going to get out of malfoy manor without him. what, is nigel going to develop super powers?

Exactly. They can only shove Nigel into so many things - and this is not one of them. :lol: Both Dobby and Kreacher are hugely significant to DH and I was glad to see Heyman acknowledge that. It's good to know that they are trying to figure out how to fix that mistake. Hopefully, they will come up with a way to bring them back into it that will not detract from the events at the beginning of DH.

i am SO with you on this. i mean, who goes to see a movie that's the sequel to another movie, or part of a series, without seeing the previous ones? that's usually my reason for not seeing sequel movies. these stories all weave together as books, and they should work just the same as films. yes, there are elements that stand alone, but overall these films need to work together, and by cutting out characters and re-arranging actions, some of that is lost. Jo always made sure to keep some of the smaller characters in mind in the books for when she would need them later. dobby appears several times throughout the series to remind us of his complete and utter devotion to harry, and it is something that could have been done the same way in the films, but wasn't.

I agree. One of the things that I have always enjoyed with the films is that they do treat them as parts of the whole rather than trying to force them to stand alone. None of these films can completely stand alone because none of the books can completely stand alone. It's one story told in 7 parts - 8 parts for the films. I think Columbus and Yates have done the best job in his regard - they both demonstrated that they recognized the need for continuity. I really liked how Yates tied back to the other movies in OOTP with the flashbacks in Harry's visions. That was a nice touch.

They should have done this with the house-elves as well - starting with GOF. They needed to establish Dobby's relationship with Harry and his complete devotion. We should have seen both Dobby and Kreacher in both OOTP and HBP to build upon that foundation and establish Kreacher's relationship with Harry as well as highlight the contrasts in those two relationships. These things are very significant for DH. But, as I said above, at least Heyman is acknowledging that this was a mistake and indicated that they are working on a way to fix that mistake.

LOL! Ghosts demanding housing benefits? :rotfl:

... i think that this will be a problem. very few casual viewers will remeber dobby from way back in CoS, and Kreacher was BARELY mentioned in OoTP. ...

Why should this be a problem? That Eowyn was not mentioned in LOTR1 did not damage her presentation in LOTR2. The fact that the Joker was BARELY mentioned in Batman1 did not prevent the character from dominating Batman2.

These are merely examples of character introduction/presentation, not comparisons. The house elves are not important in HBP. They aren't important in DH either.

Why should this be a problem? That Eowyn was not mentioned in LOTR1 did not damage her presentation in LOTR2. The fact that the Joker was BARELY mentioned in Batman1 did not prevent the character from dominating Batman2.

These are merely examples of character introduction/presentation, not comparisons. The house elves are not important in HBP. They aren't important in DH either.

But what if Eowyn wasn't in Two Towers and only appeared in ROTK?

Besides, the Joker was the main villain. There was plenty of time to develop him in the movie he was in. Dobby is a minor character and minor characters shouldn't take too much screen time but they should still have a presence and I believe he should have been there in all the films to fulfill his arc.

Why should this be a problem? That Eowyn was not mentioned in LOTR1 did not damage her presentation in LOTR2. The fact that the Joker was BARELY mentioned in Batman1 did not prevent the character from dominating Batman2.

These are merely examples of character introduction/presentation, not comparisons. The house elves are not important in HBP. They aren't important in DH either.

But you are talking about 1 and 2 for both accounts. For this, it is the jumps between 5 and 7 and 2 and 7...

The teaser poster has been seen

I love it.

Simple but elegant
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4823/cineposterhy7.jpg

You can just see the dark mark there in his eye


This Poster is officaly FAKE, because i have just constructed the same poster in just minutes on photoshop:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/674/fakedposterqo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Don't believe me?
Here's MORE reference. Take a look at the face of this OLD promo shot from ORDER OF THE PHOENIX, and compare it to the face in the "poster".
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3773/comparisonjb1.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=comparisonjb1.jpg)

Note: They are exactly the same!!! And as i showed you above this could easily be photoshopped. So it's fake.

But you are talking about 1 and 2 for both accounts. For this, it is the jumps between 5 and 7 and 2 and 7...

Exactly. This is a plot arc that was carefully built up over years within the time frame of the story. And Jo was particularly careful to construct that arc so that it was fresh in the readers minds for the last four books - each contained something significant towards that arc. It's going to be very difficult for them to throw in four years worth of character/plot development in the last movie. I think it is possible for them to do it, but I still believe it would have been much better for them to utilize the advantage they had in HBP with so little going on there to start laying the foundation for that.

luna came from out of nowhere in ootp and was great. should she have been in previous books? i guess jk rowling really screwed up there.

if chamber of secrets can develop dobby without him having been in philosopher's stone, then why can't deathly hallows do it without him having been in half-blood prince?

luna came from out of nowhere in ootp and was great. should she have been in previous books? i guess jk rowling really screwed up there.

if chamber of secrets can develop dobby without him having been in philosopher's stone, then why can't deathly hallows do it without him having been in half-blood prince?

We're not saying he can't be developed in one movie but even so, I don't believe it can equal the impact and power it would have had he been given a complete arc across five films.

Kreacher is really really important in DH, and Dobby's death was probably one of the best-written scenes in the book. also, i don't see how they're going to get out of malfoy manor without him. what, is nigel going to develop super powers?


I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they stick nigel in malfoy manor
:lol::lol::lol: However, given Heyman's interview it sounds like dobby will be in DH after all. I still would have rather dobby be in HBP, but if they are somehow able to build up dobby properly in DH Part 1 then maybe his death will still have some impact the way it did in the book. If that's the case, my guess is that dobby's death will end up being in part 2 then.

Thanks for posting that meesha. It's good to know that they're considering it after all. Kreacher is really really important in DH, and Dobby's death was probably one of the best-written scenes in the book. also, i don't see how they're going to get out of malfoy manor without him. what, is nigel going to develop super powers?

Well, Kloves is writing that one isn't he? Just have Hermione karate chop Bella and throw her across the room to take out Lucius, Narcissa and Draco. Then, she can wrench off Peter's silver hand, take his wand and free the boys. She can say something witty when she opens the door ("Are you guys planning on staying in here all night?"). It might be more effective if she's tortured a bit first and the audience thinks that she's almost ready to pass out on the floor when she suddenly springs to action. Audiences love that cliche (tongue firmly in cheek).

They don't need Dobby to get out of Malfoy Manor, IMO. JKR had Harry and Ron escape from the dungeon without him (they overpowered Peter and took his wand). They apparated out of the upstairs room all on their own. Dobby was useful in getting out the extra characters, making noise and dropping a chandalier on various Malfoys/Blacks. I think that they can write around those elements. I think that the problem is his death. It's not easy to replace his death and without people already loving and respecting him from past movies (like HBP), I think they are going to have a tough time replicating the impact of it.

When do we typically get real teaser posters for the movie (how much before?)

When do we typically get real teaser posters for the movie (how much before?)

Well, they typically come with the teaser trailer, but because the delay was being considered at that time...

6-8 months is the normal - so maybe some time around Christmas :)

luna came from out of nowhere in ootp and was great. should she have been in previous books? i guess jk rowling really screwed up there.

if chamber of secrets can develop dobby without him having been in philosopher's stone, then why can't deathly hallows do it without him having been in half-blood prince?

Luna's story arc began in OOTP and ended with DH. Her presence in OOTP and HBP only serve to lay the foundation for her role in DH - which is where her role in the story becomes significant. By being faithful to the book and introducing Luna in OOTP - where she was supposed to be introduced - and keeping her in HBP - they will not need to do anything further in DH beyond a brief reminder to the audience of who she is. Her character and her friendship with Harry has been adequately developed in the films for her role in DH.

Likewise, Dobby's story arc began in COS and ended in DH. Everything that happened in COS, GOF, OOTP, and HBP merely served to lay the foundation for Dobby sacrificing himself to save Harry in DH. Unlike Luna, Dobby's character and his relationship with Harry have not been adequately developed. They introduced him in COS, but then completely ignored all of the significant development that occurred afterward so they are going to have to cram three books/movies worth of development into about 20 min of film in DH - if they even have that much time available. Including Dobby and Kreacher in HBP would have been a great opportunity for them to properly develop them and their contrasting relationships with Harry so they wouldn't have needed to try to cram all of this into DH - a brief reminder would have sufficed.

I do find it encouraging that Heyman has acknowledged that this was a mistake and I think it's great they it seems they have a plan to correct this mistake, but I'm not quite sure how they're going to manage it with so much important development and so little time.

Well, Kloves is writing that one isn't he? Just have Hermione karate chop Bella and throw her across the room to take out Lucius, Narcissa and Draco. Then, she can wrench off Peter's silver hand, take his wand and free the boys. She can say something witty when she opens the door ("Are you guys planning on staying in here all night?"). It might be more effective if she's tortured a bit first and the audience thinks that she's almost ready to pass out on the floor when she suddenly springs to action. Audiences love that cliche (tongue firmly in cheek).

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Shhh! Don't give Kloves any ideas! :scared:

But you, yourself, tell us why it is a smart move. Audiences will not remember these things from prior movies; so, that means that anything important to DH has to be presented in DH. Presenting it in Prince does not cut it: audiences are not going to remember 18 months later. (Indeed, this was a complaint about Hallows: Dobby simply appeared from nowhere and then died; many readers did not remember exactly who he was until after his death, when Harry recounted mentally his interactions with the elf, and that diminished the impact of Dobby's death.

The question this is, do Dobby and Kreacher further the Prince story? The answer is (in my unhumble opinion) that they do not: they are plot devices only for furthering the Draco plotline and storyline. Unlike Draco, Snape, Ginny, etc., Harry makes no decisions about personal politics involving Dobby or Kreacher themselves).

And that brings us back to Chekhovs' Rule: the gun shown early must be fired before the story is over. The elfs are guns shown early but never fired, or at least no fired in any way that cannot be replaced with another gun. That brings us to Shakespeare's Rule: brevity is the soul of wit!

Given that this was a criticism of the book, too, this means simply having Dobby in prior films will not work. For Dobby's death to mean anything, Dobby has to be an established character in Hallows. 18 months prior will not work!

I am sorry but you quote of Chekhov’s' rule simply does not apply. These movies are a part of a series, and his rule would only apply if applied to the series as a whole not to an individual movie. It is not unreasonable to show the audience a gun in one movie of a the series and not have it fired until a later movie, so long as the gun was shown in a way to show a growing significance to the story so that the audience does not forget its presence nor its growing importance. It adds to the mystery and allows for the audience to have something to speculate and contemplate in between films. I, personally enjoyed that aspect of the books and apparently so did you, or you would not be a member of these forums.

Not everything in a movies series needs to reach completion at the end of each movie. The Harry Potter movies have many, many plots that have yet to reach conclusion. What matters is that the primary story does reach conclusion at the end of each film. In the case of HBP the primary story is the Half Blood Prince. Not Dobby and Kreacher. But they are very important to the story of Harry Potter in general. Their appearances are a part of plots that have yet to reach full conclusion but are none-the-less quite present during the story of the Half-Blood Prince.

In particular, Dobby’s significance is in his relationship with Harry through the course of the series, not in just one or two books or movies. To not have him present in a way that represents this bond, seriously diminishes the significance of his death. To say that the audience will not remember his significance is ridiculous. Why bother making a series of movies if the audience is incapable of making the connection to each movie? After all characters like McGonagall and Luna have needed no reintroduction, and their importance has never been concluded at the end of the movies thus far. In fact, had Dobby been present in movies 4, 5 and 6, his role would have had a particular purpose in each one, with each purpose concluding within each film. These appearances would have been more than enough to commit Dobby’s significance to the audiences memory would also have meant that no time would need to be wasted building up Dobby’s character for the last films. Even David Heyman has appeared to have acknowledged this.

This brings me to your other quote, from Shakespeare's Hamlet - "Brevity is the soul of wit."

Well apparently not for you. You said that Dobby's death in DH came out of nowhere? And that many readers did not remember his significance until Harry mentally recalled it?

???

I find this very odd. I do not remember speaking to anyone that had any trouble remembering Dobby’s significance. In fact, his death was widely acknowledged to be only topped in the saddest of Deathly Hallows, by Fred’s.

So if Brevity is the soul of wit, wouldn’t be rather redundant to build up Dobby’s significance in DH when it was already very well established in 4 previous books? Doesn’t that proverb mean that articulate and intelligent communication should use as few words as possible?

I do believe that of all the books that have had Dobby in it, the HBP movie was probably the only one that could get away without his appearance. It was the only one I saw where I did not miss his presence. That said, I think it was a huge mistake not to have used him in movies 4 and 5. It is because of this that I believe that they really should have put him in HBP. Going with the proverb that Brevity is the soul of wit, the idea of having to build him up significantly enough in DH to show his importance leads me to fear that the only way to accomplish this, if they do at all, is to fabricate additional elements to DH. That is not appealing to me. Too much time has already been wasted on fabricated scenes, i.e. the burrow scene, to have any more.

I am sorry but you quote of Chekhov’s' rule simply does not apply. These movies are a part of a series, and his rule would only apply if applied to the series as a whole not to an individual movie. It is not unreasonable to show the audience a gun in one movie of a the series and not have it fired until a later movie, so long as the gun was shown in a way to show a growing significance to the story so that the audience does not forget its presence nor its growing importance. It adds to the mystery and allows for the audience to have something to speculate and contemplate in between films. I, personally enjoyed that aspect of the books and apparently so did you, or you would not be a member of these forums.

Not everything in a movies series needs to reach completion at the end of each movie. The Harry Potter movies have many, many plots that have yet to reach conclusion. What matters is that the primary story does reach conclusion at the end of each film. In the case of HPB the primary story is the Half Blood Prince. Not Dobby and Kreacher. But they are very important to the story of Harry Potter in general. Their appearances are a part of plots that have yet to reach full conclusion but are none-the-less quite present during the story of the Half-Blood Prince.

In particular, Dobby’s significance is in his relationship with Harry through the course of the series, not in just one or two books or movies. To not have him present in a way that represents this bond, seriously diminishes the significance of his death. To say that the audience will not remember his significance is ridiculous. Why bother making a series of movies if the audience is incapable of making the connection to each movie? After all characters like McGonagall and Luna have needed no reintroduction, and their importance has never been concluded at the end of the movies thus far. In fact, had Dobby been present in movies 4, 5 and 6, his role would have had a particular purpose in each one, with each purpose concluding within each film. These appearances would have been more than enough to commit Dobby’s significance to the audiences memory would also have meant that no time would need to be wasted building up Dobby’s character for the last films. Even David Heyman has appeared to have acknowledged this.

This brings me to your other quote, from Shakespeare's Hamlet - "Brevity is the soul of wit."

Well apparently not for you. You said that Dobby's death in DH came out of nowhere? And that many readers did not remember his significance until Harry mentally recalled it?

???

I find this very odd. I do not remember speaking to anyone that had any trouble remembering Dobby’s significance. In fact, his death was widely acknowledged to be only topped in the saddest of Deathly Hallows, by Fred’s.

So if Brevity is the soul of wit, wouldn’t be rather redundant to build up Dobby’s significance in DH when it was already very well established in 4 previous books? Doesn’t that proverb mean that articulate and intelligent communication should use as few words as possible?

I do believe that of all the books that have had Dobby in it, the HPB movie was probably the only one that could get away without his appearance. It was the only one I saw where I did not miss his presence. That said, I think it was a huge mistake not to have used him in movies 4 and 5. It is because of this that I believe that they really should have put him in HBP. Going with the proverb that Brevity is the soul of wit, the idea of having to build him up significantly enough in DH to show his importance leads me to fear that the only way to accomplish this, if they do at all, is to fabricate additional elements to DH. That is not appealing to me. Too much time has already been wasted on fabricated scenes, i.e. the burrow scene, to have any more.

:clap: :clap: :clap: i totally agree with you, Rach. the movies need to work together as a SERIES, not simply as individual movies. the whole "showing a gun" thing happens all the time on television series, where the gun is not fired until another episode. i don't understand how this can not apply to a series of films as well. as i said earlier today, jo introduces characters and plots, or "guns," as wimsey called them, in earlier books, but they don't get fired until later ones. this is certainly true of dobby, who's reappearances in GoF, OoTP, and HBP all created more of an impact when he is killed in DH. his loyalty to harry is remembered by readers, and i do not think that his loyalty from way back in CoS will be remembered when he's brought up again in DH, especially since he was not brought up in the GoF, OoTP, or (apparently) HBP.
i do, however, appreciate that the filmmakers realize this mistake and hope to rectify it in DH.

I am sorry but you quote of Chekhov’s' rule simply does not apply. These movies are a part of a series, and his rule would only apply if applied to the series as a whole not to an individual movie. It is not unreasonable to show the audience a gun in one movie of a the series and not have it fired until a later movie, so long as the gun was shown in a way to show a growing significance to the story so that the audience does not forget its presence nor its growing importance. It adds to the mystery and allows for the audience to have something to speculate and contemplate in between films. I, personally enjoyed that aspect of the books and apparently so did you, or you would not be a member of these forums.

Not everything in a movies series needs to reach completion at the end of each movie. The Harry Potter movies have many, many plots that have yet to reach conclusion. What matters is that the primary story does reach conclusion at the end of each film. In the case of HBP the primary story is the Half Blood Prince. Not Dobby and Kreacher. But they are very important to the story of Harry Potter in general. Their appearances are a part of plots that have yet to reach full conclusion but are none-the-less quite present during the story of the Half-Blood Prince.

In particular, Dobby’s significance is in his relationship with Harry through the course of the series, not in just one or two books or movies. To not have him present in a way that represents this bond, seriously diminishes the significance of his death. To say that the audience will not remember his significance is ridiculous. Why bother making a series of movies if the audience is incapable of making the connection to each movie? After all characters like McGonagall and Luna have needed no reintroduction, and their importance has never been concluded at the end of the movies thus far. In fact, had Dobby been present in movies 4, 5 and 6, his role would have had a particular purpose in each one, with each purpose concluding within each film. These appearances would have been more than enough to commit Dobby’s significance to the audiences memory would also have meant that no time would need to be wasted building up Dobby’s character for the last films. Even David Heyman has appeared to have acknowledged this.

This brings me to your other quote, from Shakespeare's Hamlet - "Brevity is the soul of wit."

Well apparently not for you. You said that Dobby's death in DH came out of nowhere? And that many readers did not remember his significance until Harry mentally recalled it?

???

I find this very odd. I do not remember speaking to anyone that had any trouble remembering Dobby’s significance. In fact, his death was widely acknowledged to be only topped in the saddest of Deathly Hallows, by Fred’s.

So if Brevity is the soul of wit, wouldn’t be rather redundant to build up Dobby’s significance in DH when it was already very well established in 4 previous books? Doesn’t that proverb mean that articulate and intelligent communication should use as few words as possible?

I do believe that of all the books that have had Dobby in it, the HBP movie was probably the only one that could get away without his appearance. It was the only one I saw where I did not miss his presence. That said, I think it was a huge mistake not to have used him in movies 4 and 5. It is because of this that I believe that they really should have put him in HBP. Going with the proverb that Brevity is the soul of wit, the idea of having to build him up significantly enough in DH to show his importance leads me to fear that the only way to accomplish this, if they do at all, is to fabricate additional elements to DH. That is not appealing to me. Too much time has already been wasted on fabricated scenes, i.e. the burrow scene, to have any more.

Well, I was going to post before I noticed what Rachel said :lol:

So yeah, I'm just going to quote her...what she said :p