The All-Inclusive HBP Thread, v.12

Anybody know when the next Prince Watch episode will be out? I was really enjoying the interview.

Ok, there is something is these chapters that really has me puzzled:

A call sheet shows a small section of a scene 51 [two scenes before the script leak in the Three Broomsticks] in the common room being filmed, described as follows:
Prophet Moving Photo No. 3
I'm wondering if this is the same Common Room scene as the one after the potions lesson, cos we know that Hermione has a Daily Prophet in that scene, but the Quidditch tryouts are in the middle of it :hmm:

Anybody know when the next Prince Watch episode will be out? I was really enjoying the interview.

This weekend.

This weekend.
I would absolutely love to listen to them and I am sure you guys do a great job, but I don't have another extra 100 min. But maybe I can squeeze it in sometime :)

I would absolutely love to listen to them and I am sure you guys do a great job, but I don't have another extra 100 min. But maybe I can squeeze it in sometime :)

Well, we are attempting to make it a bit shorter this time...but if you are short on time the interview section is 30 minutes :tu: The news and list discussion will make up the rest of the time :p

BTW, here is what you have to look forward to in this section of the interview: :)


After the Burial
Sectumsempra
Great Hall lunch scene
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings/normal_movies_HBPGermanCalendar_studentsgreathallm ontage_035.jpg
Birthday Surprises
Romance and Lavender
Joke Shop
Borgin and Burkes
Slug Club Meeting
More romance
Burrow and the Battle

Well, we are attempting to make it a bit shorter this time...but if you are short on time the interview section is 30 minutes :tu: The news and list discussion will make up the rest of the time :p

BTW, here is what you have to look forward to in this section of the interview: :)


After the Burial
Sectumsempra
Great Hall lunch scene
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings/normal_movies_HBPGermanCalendar_studentsgreathallm ontage_035.jpg
Birhtday Surprises
Romance and Lavender
Joke Shop
Borgin and Burkes
Slug Club Meeting
More romance
Burrow and the Battle


Well, I'm looking forward to it:):yuhup:

Hmm, somehow in scouring all of their posts I missed this :wow:

either that or this was posted after I thought those IMDB guys had dropped of the face of the earth :hmm:

I wonder why their posts have been deleted...did the thread reach it's quota?

Still, I don't see anything there are about convulsions or seizure like thrashing as happened once she hit the ground. Well, at least there is the screaming. But for now based on what I've read and heard, I'm still going with the conclusion that they watered it down :shrug:

Here's his profile, you can check all his posts in case you missed anything.

http://www.imdb.com/user/ur19875468/boards/profile/

Another poster I recall commenting on this scene is ramblingfilmfreak (http://www.imdb.com/user/ur2593521/boards/profile/). His posts had been deleted but since he has never read the books, I pay a lot more attention to his review than I did with the others.

Here's his profile, you can check all his posts in case you missed anything.

http://www.imdb.com/user/ur19875468/boards/profile/

Another poster I recall commenting on this scene is ramblingfilmfreak (http://www.imdb.com/user/ur2593521/boards/profile/). His posts had been deleted but since he has never read the books, I pay a lot more attention to his review than I did with the others.

Thanks for the profile link :)

I have read that other posters comments before too, but personally I don't care for the opinion of someone who hasn't read the books :lol:

I only care what fans think...'cause only they can tell us how faitful of an adaptation it is :p


It's a shame that it sounds like the audience was made up of so few fans (:sigh:) because they aren't going to get any useful feedback from non-book readers :no:

They won't be able to tell them what from the book needs to be added to make it a better film. For instance, if the entire test screening audience consisted of hardcore fans that complained about the need for including Dobby, the lack of importance of Horcruxes, the need for adding the battle back in at the end, the need for including Bella's interogation at Spinner's End, etc...they MIGHT just listen and it would make this film SO much better!!! :tu:

Thanks for the profile link :)

I have read that other posters comments before too, but personally I don't care for the opinion of someone who hasn't read the books :lol:

I only care what fans think...'cause only they can tell us how faitful of an adaptation it is :p

I must say I prefer it the other way round. If I want to see what HP fans think, I'll get the full throttle right here. The opinions of people who aren't familiar with the story apear to be more objective to me as far as simple movie-making, and what-works-and-what-doesn't, goes. And who knows, there MIGHT still be someone out there who does NOT know that Dumbledore dies, or who kills him. I'm genuinely curious how those people react. The "Joe and Jane" type of audience are, after all, the ones washing all the money in to make another film.

I mean, just look at this forum. Of course, there are other forums, too, but nonetheless, on THIS one, there are 80 000 members most of which aren't even active (anymore?). People like us do not generate enough to go by our tastes alone. In real life, even the people I know who actually read the books, cannot be bothered by the minutiae of the movies, as long as it's entertaining.

I must say I prefer it the other way round. If I want to see what HP fans think, I'll get the full throttle right here. The opinions of people who aren't familiar with the story apear to be more objective to me as far as simple movie-making, and what-works-and-what-doesn't, goes. And who knows, there MIGHT still be someone out there who does NOT know that Dumbledore dies, or who kills him. I'm genuinely curious how those people react. The "Joe and Jane" type of audience are, after all, the ones washing all the money in to make another film.


Well, I still completely disagree with this :p

I've done the math many times and "Joe and Jane" audience are DEF NOT the one's "washing all the money in to make another film" The Potter book readers make up the majority of the audience (> 50%) and when you throw in the repeat viewings we account for somewhere around 70% of ticket sales ("we" being HP readers not "hardcore fans" or CoS members ;)) I'll spare you the Stats lesson though :lol:

A stone bridge has been built to connect the Hogwarts grounds to the Three Broomsticks in Hogsmeade. An extremely long take along the bridge has been shot for a sequence that (obviously) features Hogsmeade. Only David Yates, Bruno Delbonnel and other crew were present during the filming (that is, no cast members were present). If left in unedited, this take will easily outstrip Alfonso Cuaron’s well-received long takes in Children of Men. (this was “filler transition material” being shot. the length of the take was intentional)
This intrigues me the most, simple because I'm wondering what is the general point of this scene? Is it like in Azkaban with the shots of the whomping willow as a way to show the seasons change, or is it basically just for this one scene to show the grand scope of the enviroment (which I love the idea of, I just want to know if there is a point to it)?

When DH was published, I served as a sort of 'lexicon' for my HP-reading fans (who are, in and on themselves, let's face it, a bit of a minority among the thirty-somethings. And the 'youngsters' aren't that numerous either; when searching for the audiobook among my more juvenile acquaintance, I found that exactly four kids in a class of 26 had read all the books), because those casual one-time-readers did not know for sure who Fenrir Greyback was. I got calls, too, asking whether they had simply forgotten Charity Burbage, or whether she had truly never been introduced before. And when, prior to the release, I felt the urge to theoretisise about the outcome - and I'm sane enough not to try something like this with people who haven't read the books - people stared at me as if they wanted to suggest therapy to me. Because, readers as they might be called quite reasonably after reading the books some years ago, they had absolutely no clue what I might be talking about. They remembered Voldemort, Harry of course, Hermione and Ron, and Snape BECAUSE he had killed Dumbledore - but ask them how Ron's dad is called, in which way Sirius was related to Bella or which had been the real name of the guy putting Harry's name into the Goblet of Fire - nope, nothing. It's like asking people who once read Bleak House how Esther Summerson's aunt was called, or whom Caddy Jellyby got married to.
There might be many HBP readers who will go and see the film as well - but they're mostly casual readers, and in so far possess background information that non-readers do not have - but that background knowledge is patchy at its best. The movie must work for them, for the simple reason that there aren't that many people out there who are like us, on fan forums such as this one. If the 80 000 members of CoS went to see the film three times in cinema, that'd bring approximately 2 Million Euros, half of which goes to the owners of the cinemas. All of us together would not even be enough to pay Dan Radcliffe's salary. :)

Well, I still completely disagree with this :p

I've done the math many times and "Joe and Jane" audience are DEF NOT the one's "washing all the money in to make another film" The Potter book readers make up the majority of the audience (> 50%) and when you throw in the repeat viewings we account for somewhere around 70% of ticket sales ("we" being HP readers not "hardcore fans" or CoS members ;)) I'll spare you the Stats lesson though :lol:

How do you arrive at these figures, and, more importantly, at these conclusions?

Remember that book sales don't necessarily equal number of readers - with the books which are being shared round you might just get a reader per book if you are very lucky - I'd say that this would probably be an overstatement, actually. In my experience (based on anecdotal evidence, it has to be said) lots of people buy the books because everyone does/they are cheap in the supermarket etc, others get them as a present and so forth - you can be sure that many remain half read or not read at all. Even with Harry Potter, getting through a book of several hundred pages isn't actually everybody's cup of tea.

And even among the book readers a majority will care little or remember little - they revert to being 'normal folks' audience. The obessed readers (like most people here) is a very small minority. Even people who really liked the books often remember little - Fleur put it better than I could, but my experience definitely parallels hers.



In addition - even IF readers, or at least clued-up readers were in the majority (and they really can't be), I'd prefer to judge the film (sight unseen) by the reviews of non-readers, because first and foremost, a film has to work in movie-terms. The script has to make sense, the story has to be told well visually, and the characters and their actions have to be internally coherent. It's also very important that the film doesn't get sidetracked and distracted by minor details, sub-plots and so forth.

If these criteria aren't fulfilled, the film can be as faithful as it likes - ultimately it won't be a good film.



I think the best example for this is Oliver Stone's Alexander: a great movie for this sort of lesson, actually.

Most people hate it. It's not logical, the script doesn't come together, the characters are weird and sometimes incoherent, there are weird details that are difficult to explain, thee are LOTS of named characters who are difficult to tell apart, some of the camera work is weird, some effects are awefully cheesy.

However, if you are an expert - if you know the four ancient texts which tell the Alexander story in detail as well as we here know Harry Potter (and I happen to be one of these people), you'll be delighted about the details, the dialogue directly taken from the texts (so far that you cann spot where the script switches from one source to another), the beautiful casting choices even for mionor characters (although some of the main characters are woefully miscast), the many little details that are so accurate. In this case, the geeks also get a lot of joy out of costumes, buildings, props and so forth.... I still have fun scrutinising details on the DVD...

But all that doesn't make it a good film. If you haven't seen it, it might be worth watching it, with this in mind: It's worth watching a film that's accurate and attentive to detail - a film that makes total sense to the fans, but not to anyone else. It's arguable worse (although much more interesting for all its faults, because at least it isn't 'film making by numbers') than the two rather awful Columbus Harry Potters, but that'll show the issues even better. That might show you why a film HAS to be coherent first, and accurate second.


Gladiator, of course, is exactly the opposite: it's an awful, awful movie when it comes to historical accuracy in every way. But (in spite of its really messy script, to which even the DVD commentaries are admitting) it is miraculously entertaining, moving and beautiful to look at. What's an ancient history expert to do?

I simply can't argue that Stone's Alexander is a better film than Gladiator, because it simply isn't! Not in movie terms, anyway - and the rules of movie making are the only thing that counts.


These rules simply aren't different for HP just because there are more Harry Potter fans than there are ancient history experts! The film has to be good first and accurate second: it's better if a few geeks are disappointed and eveyone else is happy, and make no mistake, although there are clearly fewer ancient historians moaning about Gladiator than there are HP fans complaining about the HP films - but these disappointed fans are still a tiny minority, and they'll cough up for multiple viewings anyway, so their opinion simply doesn't matter.

I know there are many fans who'll never accept this, but that won't change the way in which film companies, script writers and directors have to see this. I'd also like to see more really accurate films sets in ancient Greece and Rome - but obviously, I am not going to see that, and I guess I've learned to live with that.

This intrigues me the most, simple because I'm wondering what is the general point of this scene? Is it like in Azkaban with the shots of the whomping willow as a way to show the seasons change, or is it basically just for this one scene to show the grand scope of the enviroment (which I love the idea of, I just want to know if there is a point to it)?

This rumor is most likely to be false. It came from the poster on the TLC comment board who made 1-2 lucky guesses about the film so everyone believed him at that time. However, now that there are people who had actually seen the film, we can now confirm that most of his information is untrue.

The only thing that is true about this rumor is that there will be a new stone bridge that connected Hogwarts to Hogsmeade in this film. This poster just made up and posted this news immediately after one set report mentioned it.

When DH was published, I served as a sort of 'lexicon' for my HP-reading fans (who are, in and on themselves, let's face it, a bit of a minority among the thirty-somethings. And the 'youngsters' aren't that numerous either; when searching for the audiobook among my more juvenile acquaintance, I found that exactly four kids in a class of 26 had read all the books), because those casual one-time-readers did not know for sure who Fenrir Greyback was. I got calls, too, asking whether they had simply forgotten Charity Burbage, or whether she had truly never been introduced before. And when, prior to the release, I felt the urge to theoretisise about the outcome - and I'm sane enough not to try something like this with people who haven't read the books - people stared at me as if they wanted to suggest therapy to me. Because, readers as they might be called quite reasonably after reading the books some years ago, they had absolutely no clue what I might be talking about. They remembered Voldemort, Harry of course, Hermione and Ron, and Snape BECAUSE he had killed Dumbledore - but ask them how Ron's dad is called, in which way Sirius was related to Bella or which had been the real name of the guy putting Harry's name into the Goblet of Fire - nope, nothing. It's like asking people who once read Bleak House how Esther Summerson's aunt was called, or whom Caddy Jellyby got married to.
There might be many HBP readers who will go and see the film as well - but they're mostly casual readers, and in so far possess background information that non-readers do not have - but that background knowledge is patchy at its best. The movie must work for them, for the simple reason that there aren't that many people out there who are like us, on fan forums such as this one. If the 80 000 members of CoS went to see the film three times in cinema, that'd bring approximately 2 Million Euros, half of which goes to the owners of the cinemas. All of us together would not even be enough to pay Dan Radcliffe's salary. :)

I agree. Almost everyone in my family has read the books. We actually bought 3 DH books when it came out (one for me and my dad, one for my sister and my mom, and one for my two aunts) so that we wouldn't fight over a single book like we did with HBP. By the time that we went to see the movies ;however, I am the only one who could remember all those little book details. There are many times when I got really annoyed by some details or line deliveries, but everyone else just enjoy the movie (sometimes I wished I could enjoy it as much as they do).:p

When OOTP film came out, for example, the only thing that most of my family and friends could remember about the book is that there is a new nasty character named Umbridge, Sirius died in this one, and that Harry gets angry a lot. They knew the film cuts out a lot of stuff, but they weren't really annoyed by it because they couldn't remember what exactly got cut. One thing they really knew though was that the film feel rushed. That is the type of comments most test-screening audiences can give and this type of comments (IMO) is what the filmmakers can really use to make a better film.

Well, I'm looking forward to it:):yuhup:

Well wait no longer:

http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/index.html (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/10/Episode_4_Girls_Night_Out_Featuring_Part_2_of_Prin ceWatchs_Exclusive_Interview_with_Rachezee-149526.html)

The boys are away, so the girls steal the show. Regular host Brit and guest turned regular host Rachel are join by two new PrinceWatch hosts: Montse and Kristine.

Together they discuss even more calendar pictures that have emerged online and settle the latest script leaks as fake.

Chapter discussion includes the omitted chapter House of Gaunt, Quidditch tryouts in Hermione's Helping Hand, and the eventful day in Hogsmeade in Silver and Opals - the girls get the boys back for a few minutes so they can help read the script leak.

The episode concludes then with the next part of Rachel's lengthy interview, discussing aspects of the film such as After the Burial, Birthday Surprises, Draco's Detour and the Burrow Attack.

This rumor is most likely to be false. It came from the poster on the TLC comment board who made 1-2 lucky guesses about the film so everyone believed him at that time. However, now that there are people who had actually seen the film, we can now confirm that most of his information is untrue.

The only thing that is true about this rumor is that there will be a new stone bridge that connected Hogwarts to Hogsmeade in this film. This poster just made up and posted this news immediately after one set report mentioned it.

Hmm... Well when this was discussed (more like glossed over) in an outtake of this week's podcast, Rach did say she remembered a bridge (should have left that comment in...)

I only care what fans think...'cause only they can tell us how faitful of an adaptation it is :p

Maybe. But any Warner Bros executive who took such a strange view would deserve to be sacked.


It's a shame that it sounds like the audience was made up of so few fans (:sigh:) because they aren't going to get any useful feedback from non-book readers :no:

From non-readers they will get the only feedback that matters - whether the films are entertaining or not.


They won't be able to tell them what from the book needs to be added to make it a better film. For instance, if the entire test screening audience consisted of hardcore fans that complained about the need for including Dobby, the lack of importance of Horcruxes, the need for adding the battle back in at the end, the need for including Bella's interogation at Spinner's End, etc...they MIGHT just listen and it would make this film SO much better!!! :tu:

None of these things would make the films better, any more than including the Lucy Mancini sub-plot would have made The Godfather better. Or including the tale of the entwives would have made The Two Towers better.

The fans are the very last people film-makers should listen to (apart from the authors!) as they constantly cry out for "favourite parts" to be added, which add flab and are invariably uncinematic and unnecessary.

This is where the HP films went wrong from the get-go.

Well, I still completely disagree with this

I've done the math many times and "Joe and Jane" audience are DEF NOT the one's "washing all the money in to make another film" The Potter book readers make up the majority of the audience (> 50%) and when you throw in the repeat viewings we account for somewhere around 70% of ticket sales ("we" being HP readers not "hardcore fans" or CoS members ) I'll spare you the Stats lesson though

HA! That's laughable, that really is.

But no, HP book readers make up a small minority of the movie-goers. At best, probably little more then 10%, and that's being very generous.

Well, don't agree with lc's statement, either. But laughable seems a little strong......

HA! That's laughable, that really is.

But no, HP book readers make up a small minority of the movie-goers. At best, probably little more then 10%, and that's being very generous.]Well, don't agree with lc's statement, either. But laughable seems a little strong......

FINE, don't believe me (I really don't care)...but the stats don't lie :p And I already told you:

I'll spare you the Stats lesson

Besides, to explain it farther would be taking this way OFF-TOPIC...something I'm not about to do :whistle:

And come on, 10 %??? Are you ****** kidding me? :rotfl: :lol: :rotfl: Now THAT is LAUGHABLE (:elaugh:) You are vastly mistaken dude! :relax:

BTW, I think you mis-understood, I'm talking about ALL book readers...not just "hardcore fans" ;)

FINE, don't believe me (I really don't care)...but the stats don't lie :p And I already told you:



Besides, to explain it farther would be taking this way OFF-TOPIC...something I'm not about to do :whistle:

And come on, 10 %??? Are you ****** kidding me? :rotfl: :lol: :rotfl: Now THAT is LAUGHABLE (:elaugh:) You are vastly mistaken dude! :relax:

BTW, I think you mis-understood, I'm talking about ALL book readers...not just "hardcore fans" ;)




Yes, but the vast majority of all book readers either doesn't remember (of feel strongly about) nearly as many details OR doesn't really care as long as the film is entertaining. I know it probably feels good to think that millions of readers agree with you - trust me, they don't: for most people, these are just books and entertaining stories. As long as HBP turns out to be an entertaining story, with the few crucial details that REALLY make the story firmly in place, most readers will be perfectly satisfied.


I have had discussions like this for almost a decade now - It seems as if you measure the whole world by your own standards - but you have to try and put yourself in the position of people who aren't as passionate about these books as you are - because the great majority of people, even of those who read the books, simply doesn't share your passion for those little details that you find so important. I know, being part of a very small minority isn't as much fun - but that's what we are. And I am actualy watching the *second* group of fans getting to grips with this state of affairs the very hard way - it's a bit of a deja vu.....

I have 11 nephews and nieces. Of these, 7 have read all the books (aged between 12 and 17 now), and 5 of these were pretty enthusiastic when the books came out. Neverheless, when I ask them about the film, and try to discuss details, *I* am the person who reminds them of the details. They look forward to the movies, but they couldn't care less about Dobby being there or not, or wether Harry flirts with a waitress or not. Honestly. And two of them actually did HP at school! Several other people have voiced similar opinions, and this sort of thing just reflects how the world is. Look beyond the small world of the fandom, and you'll see it. Perhaps all your mates at home think like you do, as well, and that gives you the idea that the majority of people agrees with you - but if that is the case, the people you know wouldn't even be a very representative sample of your age group, or any age group, for that matter.....

I simply think that you overestimate people's commitment to Harry Potter ... even on these boards few people are quite as concerned with these details as the perhaps 20 people who commonly voice their opinion in here.



Oh, by the way - I for one don't like it much when anyone calls anyone else laughable (as I said just above, defending YOUR right to state your opinion without it being called laughable). Everyone's opinion deserves more respect than that. And if you don't agree, I'd like to see a nice discussion, rather than a complete dismissal on the basis of statements that clearly many here don't consider plausible.
All in all, I find your post rather disrespectful, especially given that a number of people have been putting a good deal of thought into putting together fairly substantial arguments.


I don't know - the mods may well disagree, but I'd assume that this IS relevant. The strategy for a film's release, and the decisions that are made in editing the film, do matter for that specific film. Moreover, a number of people here keep arguing on the basis of assumptions that others clearly don't agree with. Something like that surely needs a proper discussion, and even if it has to be discussed over and over again. And this thread is, after all, 'all inclusive'.

I'll spare you the Stats lesson though :lol:

Oh, don't spare me the stats lesson! I may be a humble high school senior, but I'm taking college stats, and I'm really curious from where you're getting these numbers. There's too many variables, IMO, to base your logic on anything but rudimentary figures.

How do you arrive at these figures, and, more importantly, at these conclusions?

Remember that book sales don't necessarily equal number of readers - with the books which are being shared round you might just get a reader per book if you are very lucky - I'd say that this would probably be an overstatement, actually. In my experience (based on anecdotal evidence, it has to be said) lots of people buy the books because everyone does/they are cheap in the supermarket etc, others get them as a present and so forth - you can be sure that many remain half read or not read at all. Even with Harry Potter, getting through a book of several hundred pages isn't actually everybody's cup of tea.

And even among the book readers a majority will care little or remember little - they revert to being 'normal folks' audience. The obessed readers (like most people here) is a very small minority. Even people who really liked the books often remember little - Fleur put it better than I could, but my experience definitely parallels hers.



In addition - even IF readers, or at least clued-up readers were in the majority (and they really can't be), I'd prefer to judge the film (sight unseen) by the reviews of non-readers, because first and foremost, a film has to work in movie-terms. The script has to make sense, the story has to be told well visually, and the characters and their actions have to be internally coherent. It's also very important that the film doesn't get sidetracked and distracted by minor details, sub-plots and so forth.

If these criteria aren't fulfilled, the film can be as faithful as it likes - ultimately it won't be a good film.



I think the best example for this is Oliver Stone's Alexander: a great movie for this sort of lesson, actually.

Most people hate it. It's not logical, the script doesn't come together, the characters are weird and sometimes incoherent, there are weird details that are difficult to explain, thee are LOTS of named characters who are difficult to tell apart, some of the camera work is weird, some effects are awefully cheesy.

However, if you are an expert - if you know the four ancient texts which tell the Alexander story in detail as well as we here know Harry Potter (and I happen to be one of these people), you'll be delighted about the details, the dialogue directly taken from the texts (so far that you cann spot where the script switches from one source to another), the beautiful casting choices even for mionor characters (although some of the main characters are woefully miscast), the many little details that are so accurate. In this case, the geeks also get a lot of joy out of costumes, buildings, props and so forth.... I still have fun scrutinising details on the DVD...

But all that doesn't make it a good film. If you haven't seen it, it might be worth watching it, with this in mind: It's worth watching a film that's accurate and attentive to detail - a film that makes total sense to the fans, but not to anyone else. It's arguable worse (although much more interesting for all its faults, because at least it isn't 'film making by numbers') than the two rather awful Columbus Harry Potters, but that'll show the issues even better. That might show you why a film HAS to be coherent first, and accurate second.


Gladiator, of course, is exactly the opposite: it's an awful, awful movie when it comes to historical accuracy in every way. But (in spite of its really messy script, to which even the DVD commentaries are admitting) it is miraculously entertaining, moving and beautiful to look at. What's an ancient history expert to do?

I simply can't argue that Stone's Alexander is a better film than Gladiator, because it simply isn't! Not in movie terms, anyway - and the rules of movie making are the only thing that counts.


These rules simply aren't different for HP just because there are more Harry Potter fans than there are ancient history experts! The film has to be good first and accurate second: it's better if a few geeks are disappointed and eveyone else is happy, and make no mistake, although there are clearly fewer ancient historians moaning about Gladiator than there are HP fans complaining about the HP films - but these disappointed fans are still a tiny minority, and they'll cough up for multiple viewings anyway, so their opinion simply doesn't matter.

I know there are many fans who'll never accept this, but that won't change the way in which film companies, script writers and directors have to see this. I'd also like to see more really accurate films sets in ancient Greece and Rome - but obviously, I am not going to see that, and I guess I've learned to live with that.

I agree, absolutely. The facts that prove that book readers (or, especially, fanatics) are in the minority are far less rudimentary than those supposedly proving otherwise.

And another example of literature being thrown out the window: Troy! I love the Iliad, and what we got merely grazed the surface, completely cutting (as far as I remember) divine intervention. I'll bet Homer was turning in his grave! Nevertheless, despite the lack of anything but a historic foundation, I loved that movie... and I still get a thrill when I hear, "HECTOR!" bellow from the television screen.

:rotfl: I saw these on Leaky and had to share:

Socks made of the HBP Opal Yarn! :rotfl:

Dumbledore Socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_dumbledore_02.jpg

Ron socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_ron_02.jpg

Tonks socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_tonks_02.jpg

Harry socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_harry_02.jpg

Draco socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_draco_02.jpg

:rotfl: I saw these on Leaky and had to share:

Socks made of the HBP Opal Yarn! :rotfl:

Dumbledore Socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_dumbledore_02.jpg

Ron socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_ron_02.jpg

Tonks socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_tonks_02.jpg

Harry socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_harry_02.jpg

Draco socks:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/crafts/knitting/muggle_wear/socks/normal_crafts_knitting_hpsocks_draco_02.jpg

:lol: What will they think of next?

Ron's socks sort of have Chudley Cannon colors. I think Tonks colors are also in touch with the character... but Harry's socks should probably have had Gryffindor colors.

*Ducks head before moderator smacks me for being off topic*

Will the wear those in the HBP movie? (*slick move to get back on topic*)

Will the wear those in the HBP movie? (*slick move to get back on topic*)

The relevance to HBP is that our first pictures of the films came of this yarn when it was being promoted :lol:

We should consider ourselves lucky that the DH denoument has already happened, or we'd be talking ourselves crazy about those socks, I bet you anything. There were SO many theories back then about socks - Dobby's sock, Dumbledore talking about wanting more socks, the Dursleys presenting Harry a pair of Vernon's old socks - "that's GOT to mean SOMETHING". And when certain details were included in the films, that was counted as evidence of JKR pulling strings in the background to include vital information on screen, too. Just like the production of a HBP-promotional Dobby figure was counted as a piece of evidence for his inclusion in the film. Seriously, I am glad that we already know that Dumbledore's socks don't mean anything in particular. ;)

That aside - I had my fair share of sneering when the OPAL yarn got out with the very first official pics. But the thing is - I do think it's a rather nice idea. There's so much mentioning of socks in the books, and Dumbledore talking about knitting patterns, that socks and yarn do appear like reasonable merchandise. And it's, for a change, so nicely useful. One CANNOT have to many socks :lol:

We should consider ourselves lucky that the DH denoument has already happened, or we'd be talking ourselves crazy about those socks, I bet you anything. There were SO many theories back then about socks - Dobby's sock, Dumbledore talking about wanting more socks, the Dursleys presenting Harry a pair of Vernon's old socks - "that's GOT to mean SOMETHING". And when certain details were included in the films, that was counted as evidence of JKR pulling strings in the background to include vital information on screen, too. Just like the production of a HBP-promotional Dobby figure was counted as a piece of evidence for his inclusion in the film. Seriously, I am glad that we already know that Dumbledore's socks don't mean anything in particular. ;)

That aside - I had my fair share of sneering when the OPAL yarn got out with the very first official pics. But the thing is - I do think it's a rather nice idea. There's so much mentioning of socks in the books, and Dumbledore talking about knitting patterns, that socks and yarn do appear like reasonable merchandise. And it's, for a change, so nicely useful. One CANNOT have to many socks :lol:
Yeah, everyone was a little obsessive with all the merchendice


http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/sales/Products/Jewelry/products_noblecollectionhbp_marvoloring_001.jpg
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/sales/Products/Jewelry/products_noblecollectionhbp_horcruxlocket_002.jpg
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/sales/Products/Jewelry/products_noblecollectionhbp_ronsnecklace_003.jpg


Boy, I am sp tempted to get the ring. And I am SO glad the DH symbol is on the ring :)

FINE, don't believe me (I really don't care)...but the stats don't lie :p And I already told you:



Besides, to explain it farther would be taking this way OFF-TOPIC...something I'm not about to do :whistle:

And come on, 10 %??? Are you ****** kidding me? :rotfl: :lol: :rotfl: Now THAT is LAUGHABLE (:elaugh:) You are vastly mistaken dude! :relax:

BTW, I think you mis-understood, I'm talking about ALL book readers...not just "hardcore fans" ;)

Show me your proof that HP book fans make up a large majority of the audience, and I'll gladly retract my statement. I'm not being patronizing here, I really mean it.

But I'm positive that there's no way to prove that the book fans make up a large percent of the audience, simply because there's no way to see how many people who go to the movies have read the books, unless WB held a survey at the last few movies that I was unaware of.

And add to the fact that there's more non-book readers in the world then book readers, and then you have to take in to account Klio's point, that there are two very different kinds of "book" readers. There's people like us, who are in the hardcore group, but then there's people like my parents, who read casually and don't remember much of the books besides the most basic details.

And the hardcore fans and definitely in the minority, obviously, or this cite would have thousands more members.

Show me your proof that HP book fans make up a large majority of the audience, and I'll gladly retract my statement. I'm not being patronizing here, I really mean it.

But I'm positive that there's no way to prove that the book fans make up a large percent of the audience, simply because there's no way to see how many people who go to the movies have read the books, unless WB held a survey at the last few movies that I was unaware of.

And add to the fact that there's more non-book readers in the world then book readers, and then you have to take in to account Klio's point, that there are two very different kinds of "book" readers. There's people like us, who are in the hardcore group, but then there's people like my parents, who read casually and don't remember much of the books besides the most basic details.

And the hardcore fans and definitely in the minority, obviously, or this cite would have thousands more members.

I dont have proof or statistics or anything of the sort.But I imagine the number mentioned in the artilce I read a while ago is a big one.(35,000) I dont have a clue of what this is compared to the general audience, but I just know , this number of signatures collected is big, and reflects that we book Potter fans are many and are a big part of the audience who goes to see the films.If not , WB would have not answered our complaints or given us any reason for doing it, he did take the time to answer back and tried to convince is was all for the better.

In his response to the storming complaint from "Harry Potter" fans, Warner Bros.' President and Chief Operating Officer Alan Horn has issued a statement explaining deeper on the decision of changing the date. The statement read, "Many of you have written to me to express your disappointment in our moving 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince' to Summer 2009."

"Please be assured that we share your love for Harry Potter and would certainly never do anything to hurt any of the films. Over the past 10 years, we have nurtured and protected each film, and the integrity of the books upon which they are based, to the best of our ability. The decision to move 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince' was not taken lightly, and was never intended to upset our Harry Potter fans. We know you have built this series into what it is, and we thank you for your ongoing enthusiasm and support." If we were a minority , Would he have done that?

I dont think so.

I quote from this article I read a while ago.
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017754.html
Angry Fans Petition Against 'Half-Blood Prince' Delay
Boiled up by the recent announcement of the moving back of "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" release date, the fans of the boy wizard fight back the decision by any means they know of. In their effort to make sure Warner Bros. understand they don't want the delay release, many of them have been rallying to persuade the studio's executives to change their mind.

Doing every way they can, some made petitions both online and off. One of the online petitions reportedly has collected about 35,000 digital signatures, while a campaign by Dumbledore's Army prompted fans to write down their concerns. Another form of protests is also offered as the fans plot to take the protest to the street outside Warner's corporate headquarters in New York. A Facebook group named The Delay of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince Has Ruined My Life has gone even further by planning a nationwide boycott of the movie.

Socks made of the HBP Opal Yarn!
Dobby was so fond of socks. I hate the fact they are not including Dobby.

I dont have proof or statistics or anything of the sort.But I imagine the number mentioned in the artilce I read a while ago is a big one.(35,000) I dont have a clue of what this is compared to the general audience, but I just know , this number of signatures collected is big, and reflects that we book Potter fans are many and are a big part of the audience who goes to see the films.If not, WB would have not answered our complaints or given us any reason for doing it, he did take the time to answer back and tried to convince is was all for the better.

If we were a minority , Would he have done that?



Well... let's put it like this: if HPB gets a mere 200 000 000 USD (that's two hundred million) at the US box office alone, it won't be seen as a great success.

Let's calculate an average price of 10 USD per ticket, that means 20 Million tickets sold. Compared to that, 35 000 people are nothing at all, really, especially becaue the hard core fans tend to see the films anyway, no matter how angry they are.



Fans CAN make a lot of noise - much more so than their numbers would warrant. The upset would have to be much worse than it was over the delay to really change the game for WB. But of course they monitor fansites, and since it costs them almost nothing to come up with that apology, why not.

But although fans (me included) always feel great when they have proof that they are being noticed (a feelgood factor WB knows about), it's a good idea to have a sense of our real place in the scheme of things.....




The thing is, if you include special 'fan details' and by this create a film that non-readers, or the majority of readers with a hazy memory find more difficult to follow, you end up with very different factors at work - for example word of mouth along the lines of 'this was bring' or 'I didn't have a clue what was going on' or reviewers (often non-readers) panning it, which WILL turn audiences away, to the extent that a considerable proportion of box office (= millions of tickets) are lost.

For a film company it's just not sensible to follow the whims of a few ten thousand fans if millions of tickets are at stake.



Ultimately, we as fans should care about the financial success of the films as well: the last two films and the legacy of the franchise depends on it.....

I'm sure that in WB's terms 'the decision was not taken lightly' but the way an organisation like that makes decisions is quite different to how a fan - and dare I say it - one of the actors or the creative team behind making the film might choose to do things. As people have already mentioned, apologies are painless for WB to make, but they don't change anything at all.

For the sake of everyone, (not just die-hard fans of the series) if there was going to be a change to when HBP was released, the decent thing to do would have been to announce it before the summer film season when people were beginning to think towards November and looking out for an HBP trailer in cinemas. The only reason I can think of for leaving the announcement so late would be if the decision was very last-minute - and that seems a bit unprofessional.

What comforts me is the fact that the movie will (eventually) be with us and that I imagine many of the people involved in the filming of it privately sympathise with the fans.

Fans CAN make a lot of noise - much more so than their numbers would warrant. The upset would have to be much worse than it was over the delay to really change the game for WB. But of course they monitor fansites, and since it costs them almost nothing to come up with that apology, why not.

But although fans (me included) always feel great when they have proof that they are being noticed (a feelgood factor WB knows about), it's a good idea to have a sense of our real place in the scheme of things.....


Now, I would not be so sure, Of course we made a lot of noise ,but there are loads of articles quoting stuff like this

If they mess with something this precious to millions of fans and it causes such a negative reaction, it's not something they can ignore. Fans are essential to the success of a movie as long as they're happy and excited - The Dark Knight proved that. Comments on our article range from peaceful protests like (#13): "This is a huge disappointment for WB and for Harry Potter." To loquacious outbursts like this one (#17): "All its doing is ******* off its fan base. That includes me, so + off Warner Bros, you ruined my day

Like I said, I dont know or understand statistics,I suck at numbers. But I understand what you say klio, but I believe we fans are a great number of the movie audience.Other people just dont care as much, and if it werent for us, the series would have not continued to be produced cause the average audience could not care less if the series continues or not. Only we do.

Ok, I'm going to twist this up and say if it is true that most of general audience do not read the books, then the films need to be drastically changed. The films as they exist now barely explain anything, especially OOTP. Characters aren't named or introduced, the main plot wasn't sufficiently explained, characters aren't properly developed.

If these movies were truly to be stand alone then they should possess more of the canon in order for the stories to stand alone as a film and tell a coherent story that makes sense on its own.

Themes like personal politics and isolation are wonderful and Wimsey makes alot of sense about this. I just disagree with him that this is the STORY. I believe these are themes. Without the plot/narrative, these wonderful themes cannot come across as literately IMO.

Of-course a story should tell a story and leave a message that is relevant to the real world but without the tools and quicks of a full and complex narrative and a plot that is actually given backbone, then these themes would come across as paper-thin.

Ironically, being faithful to the books actually is more beneficial to general audience. I watch these movies with my non-book reading family and I hate how they are always confused and asking me questions. I wish we got a movie that sufficiently explained it's own plot!


That is my opinion on this matter.

Ok because this subject won't seem to drop, I am posting the only legitimate survey results I have been able to find. Please take notice that these results were published in July 2007 by the Nielsen Company and are concerning The United States only-

Moviegoer Profile (Nielsen Cinema)
Findings from a recent Nielsen Cinema survey show 51% of persons age 12+ in the U.S. are aware that the new book is coming out next month. Twenty-eight percent of persons 12+ in the U.S. have read one or more of the previous Harry Potter books, and 15% have read all six previous Harry Potter books.
More than half (53%) of the people who have read at least one of the Harry Potter books indicated they plan on reading "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," with nearly 40% planning to read it as soon as it is released.


While the Harry Potter books are wildly popular in the U.S., the movies are even more so. More than one quarter of Americans 12+ claim to have seen all of the previous Harry Potter movies. In the U.S., the box office audience for the last two Harry Potter movies - Prisoner of Azkaban and The Goblet of Fire - is made up primarily of children and teens. While not quite a majority, over 40% of the box office audience for the last two movies is 2-17 years old, with girls making up just over 50%. Other findings from Nielsen Cinema include:

59% of persons age 12 and older are aware that the fifth movie in the series, "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix," is coming out this month.
57% of persons 12+ have seen one or more of the previous Harry Potter movies.
http://www.nielsenmedia.com/nc/portal/site/Public/menuitem.55dc65b4a7d5adff3f65936147a062a0/?vgnextoid=0433aef4ed0b3110VgnVCM100000ac0a260aRCR D

Ok, I'm going to twist this up and say if it is true that most of general audience do not read the books, then the films need to be drastically changed. The films as they exist now barely explain anything, especially OOTP. Characters aren't named or introduced, the main plot wasn't sufficiently explained, characters aren't properly developed.


I think we can all agree that these movies did make some mistakes. We cant agree on the mistakes, we can't agree on what was going on exactly, or which demographic caused the effect and why, but, as far as I understand it, they usually performed perfectly fine at the box office, but never really achieved any extraordinary numbers ..... don't get me wrong, it makes its money back easily, and as a franchise it's still impressive, but it's never been this jaw dropping box office run that WB surely expected, at last initially.


I guess we'll continue to disagree on why that was, though..... ;) :D



I guess the lesson is that it's probably a good idea not to make dogmatic statements along the lines of 'as we all know, X is true' - because that'll set off the whole argument all over again :D

I think we can all agree that these movies did make some mistakes. We cant agree on the mistakes, we can't agree on what was going on exactly, or which demographic caused the effect and why, but, as far as I understand it, they usually performed perfectly fine at the box office, but never really achieved any extraordinary numbers ..... don't get me wrong, it makes its money back easily, and as a franchise it's still impressive, but it's never been this jaw dropping box office run that WB surely expected, at last initially.


I guess we'll continue to disagree on why that was, though..... ;) :D



I guess the lesson is that it's probably a good idea not to make dogmatic statements along the lines of 'as we all know, X is true' - because that'll set off the whole argument all over again :D

Maybe the box office would be higher if they made these movies as deep, complex and as in-depth as I believe the books are, instead of watering down and simplifying everything. ;)

I believe this is the reason.

Still, I think the success of SS/PS (and it is still the highest grossing of the films as of now) tells us all we need to know about the cultural impact of these books. HP is like the Star Wars of books.

I dont have proof or statistics or anything of the sort.But I imagine the number mentioned in the artilce I read a while ago is a big one.(35,000) I dont have a clue of what this is compared to the general audience, but I just know , this number of signatures collected is big, and reflects that we book Potter fans are many and are a big part of the audience who goes to see the films.If not , WB would have not answered our complaints or given us any reason for doing it, he did take the time to answer back and tried to convince is was all for the better.

If we were a minority , Would he have done that?

I dont think so.

I quote from this article I read a while ago.
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017754.html
Angry Fans Petition Against 'Half-Blood Prince' Delay



Dobby was so fond of socks. I hate the fact they are not including Dobby.

As Kilo already demonstrated, 35,000 is a very small number in terms of all the people who go to see the movie. And that article says "Harry Potter fans" and you have to remember that not all Harry Potter fans are book readers. On the HP thread on another board I post in, lots of people were upset about the delay, but many of them commented on not having read the books.

As Racheeze's post shows, only 28 percent of the people in the us that are 12 or older have read one or more Harry Potter books, and you have to remember that, of that group, only a very small portion are as dedicated to the books as we are. Most of them are very casual readers who would only vaguely remember details like Lupin and Tonks getting married, or Nearly Headless Nick's deathday party, and that's why the movies are made the way they are.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's just the way it is.

The fact of the matter is unfortunately that the book readers are not the primary audience that the films are marketed to now, when you could say in PS and COS they were due to the amount they left in and how detailed they were in the little things, such as Percy even having a Prefect badge and Oliver his Captain's badge pinned to their robes and how the castle looked pristine and clean all over despite being over 1000 years old. But in reality I think that WB knew that adding too much confused their larger audience of the casual viewer who, lets face it, do not follow the books or care about side characters and multiple arcs and instead just want to go in, watch the neat action and cool special effects and switch their brain off. And at the moment that is what the HP films are really - pure fluff, entertaining but overall not as deep or multi layered as the books.

In saying that though you can still get a deep emotional connection across using only limited characters and time and such a film that highlights this amazingly is WALL E. We are only ever really kept to two characters and the story-line is very straight forward and does not confuse the audience, yet we care greatly and are deeply emotionally invested in their plight and what happens to them at the end. It is a fine line that few movies and indeed series can pull off beautifully as Pixar has in WALL E but they did it, so why can't HP ?

While on WALL E, it also reminded me how much music plays such a crucial role in getting the mood across when words are not needed, as such the scene where WALL E and EVE are dancing in space and the tune DEFINE DANCING is played. It makes you feel so in love with them and believe that these two robots of all things are dancing and falling in love and it is amazing, and the only HP film so far that has used this method of mood to music to get the emotions across as effectively imo is POA.

Okay, everyone, I see that this thread has become a little unruly. I'm wondering if maybe we can table the discussion of the importance of statistics and move back to a discussion of the HBP movie.

The fact of the matter is unfortunately that the book readers are not the primary audience that the films are marketed to now, when you could say in PS and COS they were due to the amount they left in and how detailed they were in the little things, such as Percy even having a Prefect badge and Oliver his Captain's badge pinned to their robes and how the castle looked pristine and clean all over despite being over 1000 years old. But in reality I think that WB knew that adding too much confused their larger audience of the casual viewer who, lets face it, do not follow the books or care about side characters and multiple arcs and instead just want to go in, watch the neat action and cool special effects and switch their brain off. And at the moment that is what the HP films are really - pure fluff, entertaining but overall not as deep or multi layered as the books.

In saying that though you can still get a deep emotional connection across using only limited characters and time and such a film that highlights this amazingly is WALL E. We are only ever really kept to two characters and the story-line is very straight forward and does not confuse the audience, yet we care greatly and are deeply emotionally invested in their plight and what happens to them at the end. It is a fine line that few movies and indeed series can pull off beautifully as Pixar has in WALL E but they did it, so why can't HP ?

While on WALL E, it also reminded me how much music plays such a crucial role in getting the mood across when words are not needed, as such the scene where WALL E and EVE are dancing in space and the tune DEFINE DANCING is played. It makes you feel so in love with them and believe that these two robots of all things are dancing and falling in love and it is amazing, and the only HP film so far that has used this method of mood to music to get the emotions across as effectively imo is POA.

I agree. Mood, or the overall feeling of the story is an important thing to capture, sometimes more so then the little details.

For example, I would say that SS and COS were more detail accurate to the books, but I wouldn't say they were the most faithful. Columbus went to great lengths to get the details right, but he was horrible at recreating the world that JKR had set up, the mood that the books have, in essence, he didn't capture the heart.

For example, some of the Fred and George scenes. In both SS and COS he had some instances where Fred and George have dialog that's almost exactly what they say in the books, but in many cases Columbus had them present this dialog in such stilted ways that it lacked the humor that the dialog had in the book. Again, it lacked the heart.

To me, making sure the atmosphere, tone, and feeling of the movie match the books is much more important then the little details. I don't care if Fred and George say exactly what they say in the books, I don't care if they create a memory Harry has about his mom in POA, as long as it fits with the tone and essence of the characters and the story.

For example, I'm a huge Batman fan. When TDK was announced and people found out the Joker applied makeup instead of having bleached white skin, I wasn't happy. Then I saw TDK, and while many things in that movie were different from the Batman I love in the comics, the tone, the mood, the heart of that movie was absolutely pitch-perfect for Batman. Sure, the Joker didn't look exactly the way he did in the comics, but he acted in way that was perfect to the character.

I'm not saying I don't want the little details. I'd love to have both. but when it comes down to it, I think it's much more important to capture the core tone of the story then the little details. I thought they did an okay job of this in OOTP, hopefully they'll do it even better in HBP.

Ironically, being faithful to the books actually is more beneficial to general audience. I watch these movies with my non-book reading family and I hate how they are always confused and asking me questions. I wish we got a movie that sufficiently explained it's own plot!


That is my opinion on this matter.

We're not talking about details that explain things, though... at least, I don't think. We're speaking of subplots, which complicate a storyline. If a subplot does not serve a purpose to better explain the main point, then by cutting it the actual storyline becomes less convoluted and more clear; therefore, audiences who have hardly any foundation of background information can better understand the movie.

Maybe the box office would be higher if they made these movies as deep, complex and as in-depth as I believe the books are, instead of watering down and simplifying everything. ;)

I believe this is the reason.

Still, I think the success of SS/PS (and it is still the highest grossing of the films as of now) tells us all we need to know about the cultural impact of these books. HP is like the Star Wars of books.

The movies touching too lightly on the surface could be the reason that they aren't exactly amazing (IMHO, of course), but I think that a very focused storyline can go deeper than any convoluted tale with many, many plots and subplots. In the books, it is easy to focus on each separate one with tender, loving care... but movies do not have the time, nor reason to do so. I think that they all, especially HBP and DH, should follow the lines of PoA and attempt to concentrate on one storyline, including only things that back up that theme.

In saying that though you can still get a deep emotional connection across using only limited characters and time and such a film that highlights this amazingly is WALL E. We are only ever really kept to two characters and the story-line is very straight forward and does not confuse the audience, yet we care greatly and are deeply emotionally invested in their plight and what happens to them at the end. It is a fine line that few movies and indeed series can pull off beautifully as Pixar has in WALL E but they did it, so why can't HP ?

While on WALL E, it also reminded me how much music plays such a crucial role in getting the mood across when words are not needed, as such the scene where WALL E and EVE are dancing in space and the tune DEFINE DANCING is played. It makes you feel so in love with them and believe that these two robots of all things are dancing and falling in love and it is amazing, and the only HP film so far that has used this method of mood to music to get the emotions across as effectively imo is POA.

A perfect example of my point! I agree. In HBP, I felt cutting Won/Lav, cutting quidditch (unless it served a better purpose, like helping Harry and Ginny connect), and adapting other subplots to the main one, serving the idea of "for the greater good" would've done the movie great justice. Then the movie makers could concentrate on providing depth for the main storyline... finding out about Voldemort's past, and its effect on Harry's present.

Four new promo pics of Hermione, warning, they're totally super hi-res.

http://snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-hi-res-half-blood-prince-hermione-promos-59698/

Four new promo pics of Hermione, warning, they're totally super hi-res.

http://snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-hi-res-half-blood-prince-hermione-promos-59698/

Sweet, thanks!

WHOA. *in shock* Emma looks totally different from OotP in these. When were these taken??

And by Hi-res, kat meant REALLY HI-RES. Just a warning.:)

Four new promo pics of Hermione, warning, they're totally super hi-res.

http://snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-hi-res-half-blood-prince-hermione-promos-59698/
I think the first two were shown last month actually. Does anyone think Hermione's wand is a little bit too short?

I think the first two were shown last month actually. Does anyone think Hermione's wand is a little bit too short?

Um, I really didn't notice. That's just a movie inconsistency, they always change wands (e.g. Third movie, first movie are a big difference)

I'm still kinda SHOCKED that Emma looks so different!!

It looks like she freckled. I kinda like freckles myself:blush:

The movies touching too lightly on the surface could be the reason that they aren't exactly amazing (IMHO, of course), but I think that a very focused storyline can go deeper than any convoluted tale with many, many plots and subplots. In the books, it is easy to focus on each separate one with tender, loving care... but movies do not have the time, nor reason to do so. I think that they all, especially HBP and DH, should follow the lines of PoA and attempt to concentrate on one storyline, including only things that back up that theme.




I completely agree. Like I said in my last post, I think keeping the movies true to the heart of their characters and tone of their story is the most important part of these movies. You don't need to have every single little detail as long as you stay true to the themes and essense of the original story, and present the material in an intelligent way.

I completely agree. Like I said in my last post, I think keeping the movies true to the heart of their characters and tone of their story is the most important part of these movies. You don't need to have every single little detail as long as you stay true to the themes and essense of the original story, and present the material in an intelligent way.

Exactly. ;):tu:

That's why I thought PoA (flim) was great!

I think it's just the angle that Hermione is on that makes her wand look unusually short.

I like the choice of a black background for the photo shoot. I hope that we get to see more photo shoot pics soon. I always like those. :)

I like the choice of a black background for the photo shoot. I hope that we get to see more photo shoot pics soon. I always like those. :)

Yes, I AM STILL SHOCKED at how different Emma looks!

I wonder if Rupert/Dan look any different.


I also would like to see more though, I can't wait!:cool:

And by Hi-res, kat meant REALLY HI-RES. Just a warning.:)

I don't even know if I can see them properly :lol:

I won't bother scaling them down - don't seem too exciting...

I don't even know if I can see them properly :lol:

I won't bother scaling them down - don't seem too exciting...

I actually do better looking at photos and forming opinions of them if I can see all at once, but that's just me.:)

So, am I forgiven for my step-bro. coming on here and lying about the script thing yet?:lol:

I actually do better looking at photos and forming opinions of them if I can see all at once, but that's just me.:)

So, am I forgiven for my step-bro. coming on here and lying about the script thing yet?:lol:

Of course :D I didn't even remember that until you mentioned it :lol:

Yes, I AM STILL SHOCKED at how different Emma looks!

I wonder if Rupert/Dan look any different.


I also would like to see more though, I can't wait!:cool:

I think Rupert and Dan look different from the calendars/magazine pictures we've seen. So my prediction is that they'll look older and a bit different in the shoots too. Personally, I think they look great in what we've seen so far. :)

I actually do better looking at photos and forming opinions of them if I can see all at once, but that's just me.:)

So, am I forgiven for my step-bro. coming on here and lying about the script thing yet?:lol:

Oh, yes, of course - I'm just happy I made sure everyone knew it was fake - someone told me they believed him :rotfl:

Yes, I AM STILL SHOCKED at how different Emma looks!

In what way does she look different? The only one of the trio I think looks any different from OotP is Rupert :huh:

Oh, yes, of course - I'm just happy I made sure everyone knew it was fake - someone told me they believed him :rotfl:

*muffled snorts*

Oh... my. :rotfl:

Yeah, ya know, funnily enough?

He added you to my Ignore list (I didn't even know we HAD those), I took you off of course:)

He's such a jerk, but I did actually, believe it or not, get a kick out of this:lol:

Emma has a mustache. :lol:. She's still very attractive, though.

Emma has a mustache. :lol:. She's still very attractive, though.

LOL, I noticed that too!:tu:

Yes, the pictures are THAT hi-res.:)


And yes, much so, she is still attractive.:blush:
(Whoa, WAIT, did I just call a girl attractive? *sigh, I suppose that at 14 puberty is catching up with me!)

Emma has a mustache. :lol:. She's still very attractive, though.

Everyone has a mustache when you look closely enough. What I noticed is that she didn't have blackheads or noticeable pores.

Everyone has a mustache when you look closely enough. What I noticed is that she didn't have blackheads or noticeable pores.

Make up and computer technology are amazing things....

Make up and computer technology are amazing things....

But why would you go to the trouble of removing everything but the little moustache?

WHOA. *in shock* Emma looks totally different from OotP in these. When were these taken??



I didn't think Emma looked particularly different from OotP. In what way do you think she looks different?

I didn't think Emma looked particularly different from OotP. In what way do you think she looks different?

Yeah I think she looks almost exactly the same.

I think she looks a little older... And I don't think they bothered taking away the little mustache because if you look that closely a lot of people have it. It isn't like it would be noticeable from a normal distance. When the shots are used in a smaller scale it would be nonexistent to the naked eye. This poor girl. It's like we've put a magnifying glass up to her face. :)

I think she looks a little older... And I don't think they bothered taking away the little mustache because if you look that closely a lot of people have it. It isn't like it would be noticeable from a normal distance. When the shots are used in a smaller scale it would be nonexistent to the naked eye. This poor girl. It's like we've put a magnifying glass up to her face. :)

:tu:

And considering the fact that the hi-res shows even the smallest hair, one's got to say that she's got really impeccable skin. Not as much as a blemish. That aside - I, too, think that everybody has those tiny, colourless hairs - you just don't see it normally, because you rarely get to see people SO clearly. As for the freckles that somebody else here mentioned - those she already had in PoA if I'm not mistaken.

I find the perspective of the last shot a little akward, by the way. If I didn't know it was supposed to be the wand, I wouldn't recognise it to be one.

Poor girl, no one needs that type of totally extreme hi-res close up. I shrunk them down though so that everybody can see the whole image.

http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc347/Kat_Suki/hbp004vo1hq0.jpg?t=1223995137
http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc347/Kat_Suki/hbp005in1gy3.jpg?t=1223995008
http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc347/Kat_Suki/hbp006oi4.jpg?t=1223995191
http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc347/Kat_Suki/hbp007wj0.jpg?t=1223995223

Yes, I AM STILL SHOCKED at how different Emma looks!

I wonder if Rupert/Dan look any different.


I also would like to see more though, I can't wait!:cool:

Really? I don't think she looks any different than OotP to be honest :hmm:

As others have pointed out, first thing I noticed was that Emma does have quite a noticeable "mustache" there (even smaller images) :lol:

You'd think she would have shaved knowing she would be taking these shots (:whistle:)...or she needs to shave closer :shrug:


Not sure if we'll be seeing the other character promos anytime soon. Apparently the site these surfaced on paid for these images and WB wasn't very happy with them being posted. I believe they said the rest will be posted when the movie is released :sigh:

I really don't understand what the big deal is in keeping the promo's secret though :lol: What does it give away? But for some reason WB is worried about this, seems the promo shots in the past were only officially released a few days before the movie came out too :relax:

Why should a naturally pretty girl get as much as the notion to shave the hairs that everybody has by nature and that aren't even visible, for being colourless?! Seriously, I am glad that a girl like Emma, who's surely a sort of role model for young girls, has the self-confidence to be seen just like she is. There are enough streamlined teen stars that all look similar because they all obey to the same, strange fashion rules.

Why should a naturally pretty girl get as much as the notion to shave the hairs that everybody has by nature and that aren't even visible, for being colourless?! Seriously, I am glad that a girl like Emma, who's surely a sort of role model for young girls, has the self-confidence to be seen just like she is. There are enough streamlined teen stars that all look similar because they all obey to the same, strange fashion rules.

The fact that these are Ultra hi def is the only reason those hairs are seen and the amount of make up and touch ups done on these pictures automatically kill any argument about her being seen as she is.

The fact that these are Ultra hi def is the only reason those hairs are seen and the amount of make up and touch ups done on these pictures automatically kill any argument about her being seen as she is.

Well, aparently there wasn't 'enough' "touch up" or we wouldn't be discussing the question why Emma didn't "shave" her "moustache", which I find, and I'm not kidding here, deeply offensive.

I think she looks a little older...

She gets older every day. We all do. :)


You'd think she would have shaved knowing she would be taking these shots (:whistle:)...or she needs to shave closer :shrug:

No. She does not need to.

She gets older every day. We all do. :)



I know. I didn't mean it as a bad thing, just that she's grown up a bit more. :)

She gets older every day. We all do. :)



No. She does not need to.

I agree. All girls have it, but why would shaving even be considered? The hair would grow back all funny-like.

I am curious, however, why in Merlin's name we are discussing this? Do we have nothing better to talk about? ;)

I know. I didn't mean it as a bad thing, just that she's grown up a bit more. :)

That was my original comment.

She looks way so much more a sixteen year old than, say, her GoF self. That's to be expected of course, but during the filming of GoF, I think she was fifteen. It just shows how much the actors are growing up:)

I can't wait for promo shots for Rupert and Daniel, if they're ever coming.

Really? I don't think she

looks any different than OotP to be honest
I dont think she looks THAT different, but there is something different. Maybe her expressions, in all of this ones she does look a bit sad. Determined, warning if you want but still I do see a certain sadness in all the pics.

Is it only me?

Maybe the fact that I know how she feels in the book is making me see things.

Odd conversation, but I have to put my two cents in. I think she's genuinely no different looking, to be honest. I suppose I see her picture so often that any change I've not registered- you know, the way you don't know how you've grown until your pants are too short, that sort of thing. Continuous change likely means we don't notice anything major changing.

I like the idea of the sadness a bit- as though there's something preventing her happiness outside of the obvious war, but also that she's hitting realisations about other things- love, life, regrets, bravery, fear... It's an interesting one, and a fantastic point- but again I don't think it makes her look any different physically or anything, it just seems to add a new layer to her character.

:lol: Moustache! :lol: I really didn't notice. Emma looks a lot older now, IMO.

Does anyone know when we might be getting another trailer?

Probably not until next year.

Moustache or no moustache she is still a pretty girl... although I must say I'm surprised she hasn't lasered those out. Hopefully we'll get promo shots of the rest of the cast in this quality.

:lol: Moustache! :lol: I really didn't notice. Emma looks a lot older now, IMO.

Does anyone know when we might be getting another trailer?
Nope. It is rumored though that one will come out on Nov. 21, the day the movie was supposed to come out, but there is no factual proof to back it up.

I'm not holding my breath for that...

With the new pictures of Emma I really like them. To me it looks like she's put on a little bit of weight. May I stress I mean in a GOOD way. With so many poor role models for young girls out there promoting bad body image it's nice to see Emma portraying a healthy body image as well as leading an active lifestyle (she's mentioned in dozens of interviews how much she's into sport etc). That's the kind of role model I'd want for my kids.

Four new promo pics of Hermione, warning, they're totally super hi-res.

http://snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-hi-res-half-blood-prince-hermione-promos-59698/She looks ridiculous in the bottom one I think, the rest are good though. I think the difference in her looks is a calmer, sadder, and seems a more genuine Hermione. She seems natural and in character, which surprises me back I always felt like she's always 'trying' to get into the character, the top 3 just feels right.

I agree, I think she looks more Hermione-ish than ever before. I can't put my finger on why though.
Maybe its the hair, it looks more bushy. Its always looked more glossy curls than Hermione curls.

EDIT: I cannot believe I just said that! How minutely are we going into this! :lol:

She looks ridiculous in the bottom one I think, the rest are good though.
I agree. I simply hate the last one.( too fixed the pose if you ask me.) But I had said this before when we first got that image. I have never liked it, the rest , like you have said , look very natural and they do look nice.

I would like them even more if her hair was loads more brownish, but I dont think we will ever get Emma with the hair color we should.(just in the first two films)

Nope. It is rumored though that one will come out on Nov. 21, the day the movie was supposed to come out, but there is no factual proof to back it up.
I hope the trailer does come out that day. Than us Twilight and Harry Potter fans will get see both all in one day. :D

She looks ridiculous in the bottom one I think, the rest are good though. I think the difference in her looks is a calmer, sadder, and seems a more genuine Hermione. She seems natural and in character, which surprises me back I always felt like she's always 'trying' to get into the character, the top 3 just feels right.

I don't think she looks ridiculous, just really fake and posed.:lol:

I don't think they've ever tried to make this cheasy of a shot before, but I wouldn't say it looks bad exactly...:shrug:

I don't think she looks ridiculous, just really fake and posed.:lol:

I don't think they've ever tried to make this cheasy of a shot before, but I wouldn't say it looks bad exactly...:shrug:
No, she looks rediculous in the bottom one:lol:. It makes her kind of look like a death eater. The others are OK, but I like some of her other pictures better.

What a very dormant thread :(

Well, it is the 17th and the HBP List (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=117938) has been updated once again!!


Due to its immense popularity, the list now has its own thread for your own convenience.

The list could never have been possible without MasterOfDeath starting it back in late 2007. From then on, it would come out once a month in the All Inclusive HBP Thread.

As it came more lengthy with more information flooding in, more people became involved: ArryGrotter, lcbaseball22, meesha1971, Montse and houseelf25.

Thank you to all of these people! :)

Welcome to the ninth edition of the HBP list! We are at the 9 month mark in the countdown for this highly anticipated film and it is time for another update to the list. This list compiles everything we've heard about the film thus far from official announcements to set leaks to news stories to rumours. This list is a tribute to all the good times we've had in this thread and all the good friends we've made over the past 13 months and all the great discussions. This list is so we can have a reference and keep track of all the news in one place.

WARNING: Includes major spoilers from test screening reviews.

Hope you enjoy!

Ladies and Gentlemen
I now present to you:

Harry Potter
and the
Half-Blood Prince
As of October 17 2008

The list can be found here: http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=117938

Does anyone feel that the HBP delay will effect the fandom the way the long wait between GOF and OOTP books was, in that a lot of people jumped ship and moved onto other fandoms because they could not stand the long wait, then lost more fans when OOTP was a much different creature to the book before it.

It will be interesting in that note to see how WB will help keep people interested and motivated to see this movie during this delay, as they could loose a large audience of their movies with the delay factor more than the sudden date switch, and by that I mean in that lull time other movie or casual fans could just jump ship and move onto other series of movies and give up on HP even though they only follow the movies.

Does anyone feel that the HBP delay will effect the fandom the way the long wait between GOF and OOTP books was, in that a lot of people jumped ship and moved onto other fandoms because they could not stand the long wait, then lost more fans when OOTP was a much different creature to the book before it.

It will be interesting in that note to see how WB will help keep people interested and motivated to see this movie during this delay, as they could loose a large audience of their movies with the delay factor more than the sudden date switch, and by that I mean in that lull time other movie or casual fans could just jump ship and move onto other series of movies and give up on HP even though they only follow the movies.

I think I don't understand the argument. I don't know how many people "swapped" fandom between GoF and OotP, but I don't think I even understand that term. "Jump ship" in so far that they invested their time in other online communities? Or stopped reading the books altogether?

Do you truly think that people will stop going to HP movies when these do not come in a strictly-18-months rhythm? The James Bond franchise pulls millions of viewers, regardless of the lapse of time between the installments. George Lucas drew millions of people to the cinema after almost twenty years between Return of the Yedi and The Phantom Menace. And I do have the impression that plenty of audiences simply look at the offer when deciding which popcorn movie to watch on the next Saturday night, no matter what it is - the only thing stopping them is unfavourable impressions by either earlier films they didn't like, or unfavourable mouth-to-mouth propaganda.

Nope. It is rumored though that one will come out on Nov. 21, the day the movie was supposed to come out, but there is no factual proof to back it up.

No other word about a final trailer?

I'd like another one myself, the only one we have is short and not-so-revealing!:(

What's all this about Emma having a 'stache?
I don't see one...

Does anyone feel that the HBP delay will effect the fandom the way the long wait between GOF and OOTP books was, in that a lot of people jumped ship and moved onto other fandoms because they could not stand the long wait, then lost more fans when OOTP was a much different creature to the book before it.

It will be interesting in that note to see how WB will help keep people interested and motivated to see this movie during this delay, as they could loose a large audience of their movies with the delay factor more than the sudden date switch, and by that I mean in that lull time other movie or casual fans could just jump ship and move onto other series of movies and give up on HP even though they only follow the movies.

It's only an 8-month difference from the normal plans - OotP was a 2 year difference - I doubt anything major will happen :lol:

No other word about a final trailer?

I'd like another one myself, the only one we have is short and not-so-revealing!:(

That trailer WAS quite revealing - it had lots of scenes hidden in between the main one.

Yesterday I decided to look through the old HBP threads to the ones when the trailer came out (v.9 and v.10) - the EXCITEMENT in there! :D

What a very dormant thread :(

Well, it is the 17th and the HBP List (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=117938) has been updated once again!!



The list can be found here: http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=117938
Ohhh! Bravo! Great job!

I don't think she looks ridiculous, just really fake and posed.:lol:

I don't think they've ever tried to make this cheasy of a shot before, but I wouldn't say it looks bad exactly...:shrug:The pose is just ridiculous, she looks like she's trying to look ready for battle, instead of just being herself.

If anything, she doesn't need to look like she's ready for battle in this movie, maybe the last movie, but definitely not this one. It feels forced.

No other word about a final trailer?

I'd like another one myself, the only one we have is short and not-so-revealing!:(The teaser wasn't very revealing about the film as a whole, but it was very revealing about that memory scene, especially since I hear the actual scene isn't much longer.

As for the second trailer, which will most likely just be a second teaser, I hope we don't get it on Nov 21. I think it would feel like a slap in the face, like "we could have been watching the movie today instead of this trailer if WB hadn't been so greedy". :lol: I think Benjamin Button would be a good film to attach the teaser with, WB is going to need something to attract the more mainstream audience with considering it's rumored 3 hour length.

Guess what? More pictures from merchandise! :relax:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-half-blood-prince-2009-agenda-book-scans-59755/

They are pretty bad quality and they say they are going to get more by tomorrow, but out of them I think this is the only interesting one:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/normal_nueva_3.JPG

Harry talking to Katie Bell, possibly when she returns from St. Mungos?

I think that last pose Hermione is making is absolutely horrible. Why would anyone make Emma pose like that?



http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/normal_nueva_3.JPG



Wow, that is bad quality.

I think that last pose Hermione is making is absolutely horrible. Why would anyone make Emma pose like that?




Just wait for it - it'll be used for one of those photoshop hatchet jobs that goes for publicity material ..... we have had similar 'action' shots of some characters before (think some of those 'characters in hero stance in the mist' type images from the OotP promotional material, especially the website). :)


It's not my favourite shot, either - but in context it may well be OK.

More from the link ArryGrotter provided yesterday.

2009 Agenda book scans at snitchseeker (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-half-blood-prince-2009-agenda-book-scans-update-2-a-59755/).

My favorite is one that to me looks like Ron and Hermione looking out of a window of the at the Dark Mark. I can't think of what else it could be... Thoughts?

Wow, that is bad quality.

There is now a better quality picture of the shot: http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/normal_escanear0011.jpg

I am still unsure EXACTLY what this is....

Just wait for it - it'll be used for one of those photoshop hatchet jobs that goes for publicity material ..... we have had similar 'action' shots of some characters before (think some of those 'characters in hero stance in the mist' type images from the OotP promotional material, especially the website). :)


It's not my favourite shot, either - but in context it may well be OK.
I think for a promo the photographer did a very poor job, and shame on WB for actually using that one! We've seen 'wand at the ready' shots of Ron and Harry before and neither looked as ridiculous as this one.
I agree with Klio though that in context it probably wont look so horrible, however I would personally like to see some good promo posters for HBP, things that make me go "wow that looks amazing! I'm really excited for this movie etc"

More from the link ArryGrotter provided yesterday.

2009 Agenda book scans at snitchseeker (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-half-blood-prince-2009-agenda-book-scans-update-2-a-59755/).

My favorite is one that to me looks like Ron and Hermione looking out of a window of the at the Dark Mark. I can't think of what else it could be... Thoughts?

Hey, I missed this post completely :lol:

Another script leak from IMDB shows the beginning of the "Invasion of Hogwarts"

124 EXT. ENTRANCE/CAVE

Harry and Dumbledore emerge from the cave. Dumbledore, pale and weak, scans the stars wearily, leans heavily on Harry.

HARRY
Don't worry, sir. We're nearly there.

DUMBLEDORE
I am not worried, Harry. I am with you.

125 INT. GREAT HALL - SAME TIME - NIGHT

We HOLD on the gothic glass of the main window. Ambient light, ominous and cool, plays across its shimmering surface. Flitwick, arms flowing gracefully, conducts a group of FIFTH YEARS, looks up toward the window, eyes the pulsating light.

126 EXT. COURTYARD - SAME TIME - NIGHT

McGonagall stands in the courtyard as the CHOIR DRIFTS FAINTLY on the night air. She glances up to the sky, a curious expression on her face, then spies a pair of First Years straggling across the courtyard.

PROFESSOR MCGONAGALL
To your Houses. No dawdling.

As they scuttle off, McGonagall looks back to the sky. A VORTEX of CLOUDS swirls eerily in on itself. We PULL BACK...

127 INT. WINDOW - CASTLE - SAME TIME - NIGHT

...out of the window, its glass prickling with ambient light, and find Snape standing silently, staring at the gathering storm, his expression inscrutable. The choir a murmur.

128 INT. COMMON ROOM - SAME TIME - NIGHT

Darker than usual. The fire muted. Ron and Hermione sit together. Silent. Glance toward the window, the sky beyond.
http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/normal_harry-hermione-agenda.jpg

129 INT. HOSPITAL WING - SAME TIME - NIGHT

Draco's face, skin glimmering with the light crawling across the ceiling above him. He stares, unblinking, swings out of the bed. Bare feet--Draco's--drop to the tiles.

130 INT. CORRIDOR - MOMENT LATER - NIGHT

The choir echoes eerily. SIXTH YEARS, little more than SHADOWS, hang out, giggling in dark corners. Malfoy glides by in his bare feet. Unnoticed. A ghost.

131 INT. ROOM OF REQUIREMENT - MOMENTS LATER - NIGHT

Dense with shadow. Strange slashes of light. Malfoy, a shadow within shadows, pulls the tapestry, from the Vanishing Cabinet, steps back...

He stares at the monolith before him, lifts his wand and begins to CHANT eerily. The surface of the cabinet glimmers, atremble in the ambient light. Almost alive. Then he stops. Looking back, his eyes haunted, he slips away.

Light plays within the cabinet. Movement. Shadows flicker within, coalesce. We ease up, reveal...

Bellatrix. Greyback. And a few friends. Bellatrix steps into the light. Glances around. Grins.

Rachezee discussed this script leak in her appearance on PrinceWatch (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/09/Episode_3_The_Birds_the_Wizard_and_the_Vanishing_C abinet_Rachezee_Speaks_Part_1_of_a_Princewatch_Exc lusive_Interview-145452.html):Meesha: Ok, then we had this little tiny picture, looks like Ron and Hermione in the Gryffindor common room.

Scott: Yeah.

Rachel: With their backs…

Vince: Oh, is that…

Meesha: Yeah, with their backs to the camera.

Vince: Is that the end of the movie?

Rachel: I believe it was. I can’t guarantee anything that I know – but it looks like – you had the script leak and I think that was actually in the script leak, like the – they’re staring out the window.

Vince: Right, the montage of everybody…

Rachel: Yeah that was a slight – it was a really cool looking scene, was that whole – that whole script that you – that we were reading – I couldn’t figure out what was going on, though – like I didn’t understand why it was there, but it was really good looking, I mean the style looked amazing and it was – and it gave you a really eerie feeling. But I didn’t understand what the point was. Do you know what I mean? (laughs)

Vince: I guess it’s just like – just like – to set up –

Rachel: I think it’s just mood.

Vince: – set up the mood.

Scott: Just an ominous feeling for them entering the castle.

Vince: It's good for racking up the tension

Rachel: Yeah.

Scott: Yeah.

Rachel: Like darkness is coming – something bad is going to happen.

Scott: Yeah

Rachel: But it didn’t necessarily make much sense.

So, it is during that montage at the end...

It can't be them looking at the Mark, cos Bellatrix casts it after DD's death and this is before Dd and Harry return. THey are simply looking at the ominous sky...

So, it is during that montage at the end...

It can't be them looking at the Mark, cos Bellatrix casts it after DD's death and this is before Dd and Harry return. THey are simply looking at the ominous sky...

Ah, yes, you're probably right. It's a great shot, I think.

I agree. It reminds me a little of the back cover of the US edition of HBP where Ron, Hermione, Ginny and other students are looking up into the sky.

Build-up is what OOTP as a film sorely lacked in my opinion, especially the ending. The climaxes just happened, one right after the other with no build up of suspense or any grinding dread.

I'm happy that it looks like Yates has decided he needs to amp up the tension here at the end of HBP. Build-up can really make a climax work IMO.

I agree. It reminds me a little of the back cover of the US edition of HBP where Ron, Hermione, Ginny and other students are looking up into the sky.

Build-up is what OOTP as a film sorely lacked in my opinion, especially the ending. The climaxes just happened, one right after the other with no build up of suspense or any grinding dread.

I'm happy that it looks like Yates has decided he needs to amp up the tension here at the end of HBP. Build-up can really make a climax work IMO.As much as I absolutely love the film, I agree. I really like the descriptions of the scene, even if it's not entirely necessary, it seems to serve well as setting up the mood of the situation.

.... I would personally like to see some good promo posters for HBP, things that make me go "wow that looks amazing! I'm really excited for this movie etc"


I agree. There hasn't been a lot of promotional stuff that really made me go 'wow - that's just amazing'. But it seems to me that the big companies have their own departments to deal with this sort of stuff - and as far as I can tell, these aren't really all that creative.

I remember the grief the LotR fans had over this - the promotion people had some of the most visually stunning material on their hands and what did they come up with? boring run-off-the-mill 'floating head' posters :rolleyes: Awful. Compared to that, the HP promo has gone at least a bit better.

I just remembered another reason why I hate the release date changed.

There are days that seem like weeks of little to no news. :grumble:

yea, but im kinda glad they changed it now, i was really mad at first but now we are going to get all that suspense and buildup again and this time we will actually get a movie at the peak of all the anticipation

I just remembered another reason why I hate the release date changed.

There are days that seem like weeks of little to no news. :grumble:
I know! But thanks to Racheeze, we know basically everything, so I am content ^_^

I know! But thanks to Racheeze, we know basically everything, so I am content ^_^

Well, we know everything about the cut that was shown at the test screenings. Which is very likely to undergo some big changes. Even the previous films, which were on schedule, changed quite a bit between test screening and and final cut, for example POA contained an explanation about the Marauders when it was first screened to an audience. That did not make it into the movie. Now based on the mixed responses from that screening, based on the massive delay from the lucrative Holiday season and based on what seems to be a lack of confidence in the movie on the studio's part, I think the final cut will change a lot.

I think the final cut will change a lot.

YOu really think so?
I certainly hope so. Rachzee sounds so positive about the film, but I for some reason think I wont like it as it is. Lets hope the changes they add, if they add some , are to really improve the film and justify the horrenduous delay they have made us endure.

YOu really think so?
I certainly hope so. Rachzee sounds so positive about the film, but I for some reason think I wont like it as it is. Lets hope the changes they add, if they add some , are to really improve the film and justify the horrenduous delay they have made us endure.

I hope the changes are for the better too! It's tough to get thru weeks like this with so little news (sigh!). At least we got those new pics from the calendars over the last month.

Maybe we will get a new trailer with twilight as a peace offering to the fans :)

More from the link ArryGrotter provided yesterday.

2009 Agenda book scans at snitchseeker (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-half-blood-prince-2009-agenda-book-scans-update-2-a-59755/).

My favorite is one that to me looks like Ron and Hermione looking out of a window of the at the Dark Mark. I can't think of what else it could be... Thoughts?
Can't be the DM, it is daytime (or that is what it looks like)

Can't be the DM, it is daytime (or that is what it looks like)

rachezee would know, right? Perhaps she can tell us when she checks back on the thread

rachezee would know, right? Perhaps she can tell us when she checks back on the thread

She does know and has said...

Rachezee discussed this script leak in her appearance on PrinceWatch (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/09/Episode_3_The_Birds_the_Wizard_and_the_Vanishing_C abinet_Rachezee_Speaks_Part_1_of_a_Princewatch_Exc lusive_Interview-145452.html):Meesha: Ok, then we had this little tiny picture, looks like Ron and Hermione in the Gryffindor common room.

Scott: Yeah.

Rachel: With their backs…

Vince: Oh, is that…

Meesha: Yeah, with their backs to the camera.

Vince: Is that the end of the movie?

Rachel: I believe it was. I can’t guarantee anything that I know – but it looks like – you had the script leak and I think that was actually in the script leak, like the – they’re staring out the window.

Vince: Right, the montage of everybody…

Rachel: Yeah that was a slight – it was a really cool looking scene, was that whole – that whole script that you – that we were reading – I couldn’t figure out what was going on, though – like I didn’t understand why it was there, but it was really good looking, I mean the style looked amazing and it was – and it gave you a really eerie feeling. But I didn’t understand what the point was. Do you know what I mean? (laughs)

Vince: I guess it’s just like – just like – to set up –

Rachel: I think it’s just mood.

Vince: – set up the mood.

Scott: Just an ominous feeling for them entering the castle.

Vince: It's good for racking up the tension

Rachel: Yeah.

Scott: Yeah.

Rachel: Like darkness is coming – something bad is going to happen.

Scott: Yeah

Rachel: But it didn’t necessarily make much sense.

124 EXT. ENTRANCE/CAVE

Harry and Dumbledore emerge from the cave. Dumbledore, pale and weak, scans the stars wearily, leans heavily on Harry.

HARRY
Don't worry, sir. We're nearly there.

DUMBLEDORE
I am not worried, Harry. I am with you.

125 INT. GREAT HALL - SAME TIME - NIGHT

We HOLD on the gothic glass of the main window. Ambient light, ominous and cool, plays across its shimmering surface. Flitwick, arms flowing gracefully, conducts a group of FIFTH YEARS, looks up toward the window, eyes the pulsating light.

126 EXT. COURTYARD - SAME TIME - NIGHT

McGonagall stands in the courtyard as the CHOIR DRIFTS FAINTLY on the night air. She glances up to the sky, a curious expression on her face, then spies a pair of First Years straggling across the courtyard.

PROFESSOR MCGONAGALL
To your Houses. No dawdling.

As they scuttle off, McGonagall looks back to the sky. A VORTEX of CLOUDS swirls eerily in on itself. We PULL BACK...

127 INT. WINDOW - CASTLE - SAME TIME - NIGHT

...out of the window, its glass prickling with ambient light, and find Snape standing silently, staring at the gathering storm, his expression inscrutable. The choir a murmur.

128 INT. COMMON ROOM - SAME TIME - NIGHT

Darker than usual. The fire muted. Ron and Hermione sit together. Silent. Glance toward the window, the sky beyond.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/53%20new%20pics/hermioneronlookingoutside.jpg

129 INT. HOSPITAL WING - SAME TIME - NIGHT

Draco's face, skin glimmering with the light crawling across the ceiling above him. He stares, unblinking, swings out of the bed. Bare feet--Draco's--drop to the tiles.

130 INT. CORRIDOR - MOMENT LATER - NIGHT

The choir echoes eerily. SIXTH YEARS, little more than SHADOWS, hang out, giggling in dark corners. Malfoy glides by in his bare feet. Unnoticed. A ghost.

131 INT. ROOM OF REQUIREMENT - MOMENTS LATER - NIGHT

Dense with shadow. Strange slashes of light. Malfoy, a shadow within shadows, pulls the tapestry, from the Vanishing Cabinet, steps back...

He stares at the monolith before him, lifts his wand and begins to CHANT eerily. The surface of the cabinet glimmers, atremble in the ambient light. Almost alive. Then he stops. Looking back, his eyes haunted, he slips away.

Light plays within the cabinet. Movement. Shadows flicker within, coalesce. We ease up, reveal...

Bellatrix. Greyback. And a few friends. Bellatrix steps into the light. Glances around. Grins.

Well, we know everything about the cut that was shown at the test screenings. Which is very likely to undergo some big changes. Even the previous films, which were on schedule, changed quite a bit between test screening and and final cut, for example POA contained an explanation about the Marauders when it was first screened to an audience. That did not make it into the movie. Now based on the mixed responses from that screening, based on the massive delay from the lucrative Holiday season and based on what seems to be a lack of confidence in the movie on the studio's part, I think the final cut will change a lot.
I'm not quite getting thise vibe myself, seeing as the majority of the people who have expressed their opinions of the film from the test screening either liked the film or even loved it, I don't think they have little faith in the film. And for Christ's sake, it's Harry Potter, it could be the biggest disappointment of the year and it would still make alot of money.

I'm not quite getting thise vibe myself, seeing as the majority of the people who have expressed their opinions of the film from the test screening either liked the film or even loved it, I don't think they have little faith in the film. And for Christ's sake, it's Harry Potter, it could be the biggest disappointment of the year and it would still make alot of money.

The fan reviews were warm, sure, but the impressions from non-readers were more tepid. Many said it was far too much of a romantic comedy, that many sub-plots were half-hearted, and that there were too many characters. If WB had faith in the film, we wouldn't have gone so long without a teaser, and the movie would likely not have been delayed.

To the studio, audience response is just as crucial as box office. If the audience is receptive to HBP, that will bode well for the next movie. If response is unfavourable, fewer people will see DH. Obviously HBP will make a lot of money irrespective of quality, as OOTP was popular. But the audience response to HBP will affect DH's box office hugely. For a recent example, look at the Matrix. The first film was well received, therefore Reloaded was big at the box office. However, most audiences responded negatively to the movie, which meant Revolutions did terribly, barely making half of the money Reloaded did. The studio will want to avoid that at all costs, and the drastic delay will help them to do so.

The fan reviews were warm, sure, but the impressions from non-readers were more tepid. Many said it was far too much of a romantic comedy, that many sub-plots were half-hearted, and that there were too many characters. If WB had faith in the film, we wouldn't have gone so long without a teaser, and the movie would likely not have been delayed.

To the studio, audience response is just as crucial as box office. If the audience is receptive to HBP, that will bode well for the next movie. If response is unfavourable, fewer people will see DH. Obviously HBP will make a lot of money irrespective of quality, as OOTP was popular. But the audience response to HBP will affect DH's box office hugely. For a recent example, look at the Matrix. The first film was well received, therefore Reloaded was big at the box office. However, most audiences responded negatively to the movie, which meant Revolutions did terribly, barely making half of the money Reloaded did. The studio will want to avoid that at all costs, and the drastic delay will help them to do so.

I agree Yoshi :tu:

I hope they use all this extra time to improve the final cut. Put more emphasis on the sub-plots and tone down the romantic comedy.

I'm worried though since this wasn't the case with OotP. I went back and read the test screening reviews for OotP a while ago to see how the film changed. It didn't...and if anything it got worse...they cut down 15 min :grumble: Let's hope the same doesn't happen with HBP :scared:

Another Fortnight so another 3 chapters...

I hope the thread is a bit more lively than it has been...

Pensieve lessons have been shown on the Sneak Peek
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/movies_hbp_ootpdvd_sneakpeak_026.jpg?t=1216430806h ttp://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/movies_hbp_sneakpeek2_ootpdvd_020.jpg?t=1216430919

According to a test screen viewer, Harry and Dumbledore do not physcially appear in the memories:
I should add that the present day Dumbledore and Harry do not appear in the memory scenes. Harry sticks his head in the pensive and watches it from there. It is not implied that he sees everything from above, but its like by sticking his head into the pensive immerses him into the memories world

This scene featured HEAVILY in the teaser trailer (http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/harrypotterandthehalf-bloodprince/)


Rachezee discussed the scenes’ differences from the trailer during her interview with PrinceWatch (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/09/Episode_3_The_Birds_the_Wizard_and_the_Vanishing_C abinet_Rachezee_Speaks_Part_1_of_a_Princewatch_Exc lusive_Interview-145452.html):Rachel: That was the first memory he sees -- I believe -- is the orphanage.

Aaron: But –

Rachel: But –

Aaron: -- like what –

Rachel: -- and the orphanage scene is very much like the -- the trailer . So -- we -- I mean -- you saw most of it. There was -- there was very little extra added on there. So (laughs) –

Vince: That's all –

Rachel: -- but it was a really good scene.

Vince: That's all the lines that we heard in the trailer in that scene or is there like a little bit more lines in that scene? In the orphanage scene.

Rachel: There's a little bit more. Like –

Vince: Like what?

Rachel: -- it's a little bit -- it's not quite as jumpy. Like he talks about -- you know -- the fact that he can talk to snakes and stuff like that. But it -- it wasn't -- I mean that -- there -- it was in the trailer, but it was slightly -- a slightly –

Vince: Edited.

Rachel: -- a slightly different order.

Vince: Edited. Yeah.

Rachel: Yeah. But there was no talk to Mrs. Cole or anything.

Scott: Huh. I wonder if –

Rachel: They took –

Scott: -- they cut that because we saw a trading card with –

Vince: Yeah.

Scott: -- Mrs. Cole and Dumbledore talking it looked like.

Rachel: I -- they may have been cut. But it wasn't there when I saw it. (laughs)

Scott: Yeah.

Rachel: Yeah.

A picture of Dumbledore with the memories came from a trading card: http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/tradingcards/dumbledorepensieve.jpg


A picture of Harry filling the Pensieve with a memory emerged: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9379/desk35lf1.jpg


Stuart Craig has built the Orphanage set confirmed in the HBP sneak peak and the trailer. http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/Orph2.jpg
http://media.mugglenet.com/i/hbpteasercaps/16.jpg

A test screening viewer talks of this sequence:
Dumbledore does not really speak with Mrs. Cole. He just follows her up the stairs as she shows him to Riddle's room. What you saw in the trailer is very close to what we saw. Two trading card pictures have emerged from this scene: http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/tradingcards/youngdumbledore.jpg http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/tradingcards/youngdumbledore2.jpg

The first Slug Club meeting will not be on the train. As Slughorn asks Harry to this party in Hogsmeade, the first meeting will most likely be here.


A picture of a Slug Club dinner has surfaced (http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1812). Counter-clockwise, the following people are in the picture: a 6th year student played by Elliot Francis, Harry, Hermione, Neville, a set of twins (probably the Carrow twins they have cast), McClaggen, Slughorn, Blaise, Belby and Ginny. This scene could be anywhere in the movie.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/SlugClub-1-1.jpg


A test screening viewer describes Belby:
Belby was at the slugclub stuffing his face full of ice-cream, oblivious to the fact that his answer about his not being in touch with his uncle had made him lose favor.

According to test screening sources, Ginny comes late due to her split with Dean, and Nevile is at the dinner:
We don't SEE it happen ... at Slughorn's dinner party, though, Ginny comes in late with her eyes all red and Hermione whispers to Harry that Ginny and Dean have been fighting "again" and so it's kind of implied - I don't recall if it's ever implicitly mentioned!

During her interview with PrinceWatch (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/10/Episode_4_Girls_Night_Out_Featuring_Part_2_of_Prin ceWatchs_Exclusive_Interview_with_Rachezee-149526.html), Rachezee said how when Ginny arrives late to the dinner, Harry is the only one to stand and is embaressed.


Test screening viewers also talk of Neville’s involvement in the Slug Club:
Neville is at the first dinner that Slughorn holds - the one that Ginny's late for, but is never seen with the Slug Club again.

A calendar montage is of this scene:
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings/normal_movies_HBPGermanCalendar_slugclub_003.jpght tp://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings/normal_movies_HBPGermanCalendar_slugclub2_004.jpg

A picture of Harry and Slughorn has emerged. It was first unclear what the context of this scene was, but the set and costumes are the same as the above pictures, so it probably straight after that scene. There is no certainty, though, where either the above scene or this scene occur
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/SluggyandHarry.jpg

Rachezee discussed this picture’s context during her appearance on PrinceWatch (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/09/Episode_3_The_Birds_the_Wizard_and_the_Vanishing_C abinet_Rachezee_Speaks_Part_1_of_a_Princewatch_Exc lusive_Interview-145452.html):Scott: Oh and then from the Slug Club there’s pictures we’ve seen both from the calendar now and before that that we were confused – there’s a scene with like just Harry and Slughorn and it’s either – we’re guessing before or after the Slug Club dinner.

Rachel: Yeah

Scott: And, what’s the context of that, and – when does it occur?

Rachel: The context is basically that – there’s also in the script leak, Harry talks about it, Dumbledore does say to Harry that he wants him to allow Slughorn – Slughorn to collect him.
A test screening viewer talks of Lavender
Lavender Brown is indeed "comic relief" - and she's perfect for the role. She does the whole 'Won-Won' thing and it's actually believable

A picture of Lavender either doing homework or writing in a diary emerged
http://galeriehpprince.free.fr/albums/userpics/10005/nonpromopsm140.jpg


Rachezee discussed this picture on this in her appearance on PrinceWatch (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/09/Episode_3_The_Birds_the_Wizard_and_the_Vanishing_C abinet_Rachezee_Speaks_Part_1_of_a_Princewatch_Exc lusive_Interview-145452.html):Meesha: Oh, Ok, yeah. I was wondering – and then there’s this one of Lavender that we had talked about – trying – she looks like she’s either doing homework or writing in a diary.

Rachel: Oh, oh

Scott: It looks like the common room.

Meesha: Lavender – It’s in the common room.

Rachel: Yeah, I…

Meesha: Looks like she might be ogling Ron.

Rachel: Probably. (laughs) I don’t have that picture up in front of me right now…

Meesha: Yeah.

Rachel: But yeah – no – that – that sounds about right (laughs)…

Scott: She was just giving him glances…

Rachel: She was doing that all the time, I mean she was always ogling – she was always ogling Ron, I mean.

(laughter)

Rachel: I mean, so, she – she never – yeah.

Scott: Yeah.

Rachel: She was always wa – like – looking at him, like, you know – every time she looked at him you got a sick feeling inside, you know, so (laughs) – But – yeah, so…

Hermione's jealousy is confirmed; a test screening report further confirms this:
Hermione showed big time jealousy! Emma Watson is excellent in these scenes.

A picture showing a small scene involving Ron and McClaggen has emerged:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/desk29fg9.jpg


A picture of Luna with her lion hat has emerged:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6960/desk14tz8.jpg


A picture showing the morning of the match has been released:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/BreakfastinGreatHall.jpg


A test screening viewer describes this picture:
This picture is before Rons first Quidditch game (the only one shown) and he is scared to death. I think he is saying here how he plans on quitting. Thats when Harry pretends to slip him the FF potion but it is Luna who notices and says something not Hermione. Hermione does not get as mad as she does in the book either.

A description of this scene in the Great Hall has been released from the Daily Snitcher Set Report, probably scene 59, which the last line of dialogue is in the below script leak
Once we had learnt all of this information filming of the scene was again about to start. "Take 11" was called along with "Action" and the scene began. Harry, Hermione, Ron and Luna are sitting on the Gryffindor table alongside all of the other Gryffindor students. Ron asks Hermione how the dinner party was the night before, to which Hermione responds. Ron, feeling a little miffed, believes that Hermione is going to ask McClaggen to go to Slughorn's party; however Hermione shocks him by stating that she was in fact going to ask him to go. Luna, wearing a Gryffindor lion's head headdress is shocked to see Harry put something into Ron's drink, to which she believes is Felix Felicis. Cue Lavender who comes onto the scene, whispers into Ron's ear and states that he will be great, to which Ron feels revitalised and exclaims they have a match to wins and leaves.

A couple of pictures come from this scene:
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2784/desk42jj4.jpghttp://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7241/desk09ro0.jpg


Multiple test screening viewers have mentioned that this the only Quidditch sequence


It appears that the Quidditch game will take place in a winter setting from a comment made in a test screening report.
"quidditch - bloody brilliant!!! done in a never before seen sorta way, and it was pretty cool to see it in a snow & ice sorta setting"

A reliable source on IMDB has leaked a scene from the script about this Quidditch scene and hinted that the lucky potion will be included: RON (CONT’D)
C'mon, Harry. We've got a game to win.

CLOSE UP - QUAFFLE, as it ROCKETS into the AIR...

60 – EXT. QUIDDITCH PITCH - DAY

Instantly, Slytherin snatches the Quaffle and rushes en masse toward Gryffindor's end, weaving and passing with wicked skill, culminating in a vicious, slicing shot on
goal. Just when it appears it will clear the hoop, Ron streaks out of nowhere and sends the Quaffle screaming in the opposite direction. Ginny pauses on her broom, stunned.

GINNY
What's gotten into him?

She glances up at Harry, circling high above and he grins. Just then, Dean streaks by:

DEAN
Ginny! Let's go!

Instantly, she rolls backwards, jets off and races down her fellow Chasers. Flying in spread formation, Dean--on the far wing--starts the Quaffle "up the line" until it lands in Ginny's hand. Pitching herself into a wide slide to avoid a PAIR of WHISTLING BLUDGERS, she leans recklessly off her broom and whips the Quaffle through the goal untouched.

As the CROWD SCREAMS, Harry eyes the Gryffindor section, where Luna's LION HAT ROARS, Lavender CLAPS for Ron and Hermione sits with her arms crossed, a look of supreme annoyance on her face. Harry grins, jets off.

61 – INT. GRYFFINDOR COMMOM ROOM - NIGHT

The room teems with students celebrating Gryffindor's victory. It feels like Mardi Gras. Or a mosh pit. Or a riot. And Ron is right smack in the middle of it.

CROWD
Weasley! Weasley! Weasley!

Harry takes his backslaps on the periphery, smiling as he sips a Butterbeer and enjoys Ron's turn in the spotlight.

HERMIONE
Ron seems to be enjoying himself.

HARRY
Yep. Apparently it's his lucky day.

Test screening viewers talk of when Ron finds out about NOT having taken Felix Harry tells Hermione the truth after the match, with a great line about it being 'almost as unfair as a Confundus Charm'.

Won Won and Lav-Lav’s relationship has been confirmed by many sources and they will kiss many times.


Information of their first kiss came from test screening reviews
As far as the kiss... they get the Harry/Ginny kiss everyone was hoping for as described in the book. She runs at Ron after the Quidditch victory and jumps on him and kisses him... actually kind of looks like she's trying to eat his face (it's PERFECT - I promise!)... but it just... works, you know? It's a good scene, and the two of them seem to work well together! The first kiss of Lavender and Ron was witnessed by both Harry and Hermione. Harry watches with a stupid boyish grin and Hermione faces slowly turns from a smile to looking utterly heartbroken. She quietly turns away to leave, and just as she leaves Harry turns and notices. She is far less angry than she is just heartbroken. She does send the birds she conjures at Ron but she is not so much furious as she is crushed and hurt

A picture of Ron and Lavender after a match has surfaced (http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1815)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/RonandLavender.jpg


A test screening viewer briefly describes this scene: That is the scene where they are kissing the first time. Lavender flirts with him incessantly before that

A call sheet (http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/proofnz1.jpg?t=1221897215) shows a scene 62 in a Hogwarts corridor, with the character Harry, in it as well as some snogging couple extras, described as follows: Harry leaves the party. He hears chirping.

The scene involving Hermione shooting Ron with birds is confirmed in from the EW set report (http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1813). The birds will replace the ‘wind’ in post-production. It should be noted that test screenings confirmed the spell was Opungo.
In this scene, Harry tries to console his friend but the job becomes infinitely harder when Ron and Lavender come bumbling into this dark corner of Hogwarts looking for a place to snog. Hermione shoos them away with a magical gust of wind, then weeps harder

Hermione will mention that she can tell Harry likes Ginny
Hermione mentions it to Harry when he's comforting her after she sends the birds after Ron in the empty classroom - she asks him if it hurts him to see Ginny with Dean as badly as it hurts her to see Ron with Lavender... she says she's "seen the way he (Harry) looks at her (Ginny)" and knows he loves her...
A scene in the Great Hall at lunchtime is confirmed to happen sometime in the movie by a calendar montage. Rachezee said on her interview with PrinceWatch (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/10/Episode_4_Girls_Night_Out_Featuring_Part_2_of_Prin ceWatchs_Exclusive_Interview_with_Rachezee-149526.html) that it was likely to be when Hermione announces she is going with McClaggen to the party: http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/rumorsleaksandothermisunconfirmedthings/normal_movies_HBPGermanCalendar_studentsgreathallm ontage_035.jpg

A shot of Harry and Hermione talking in the library has emerged off a trading card: http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/tradingcards/harryhermione.jpg


Test screening viewers tells us of this scene
The picture we saw of Hermione and Harry in the library is of Harry and Hermione talking about how Ron's at perfect liberty to date who he wants to date.


A picture of Romilda in the library has emerged: http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/53%20new%20pics/romildavane.jpg


There is a picture of Neville on his bed in winter:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/429/desk04iq5.jpg


Rachezee, her appearance on PrinceWatch (http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/09/Episode_3_The_Birds_the_Wizard_and_the_Vanishing_C abinet_Rachezee_Speaks_Part_1_of_a_Princewatch_Exc lusive_Interview-145452.html), discussed this picture, pinpointing its location and describing its context:Meesha:But he’s sitting on his bed, in his pyjamas. Do you know what was going on there? ‘Cause he – he looks upset…

Rachel: I’m trying to find this picture really quick – it’s still loading – I’m sure where this picture is actually. I’m not sure – it probably -… probably was – he was upset that he wasn’t in the Slug Club, so –

Meesha: Ah. Ok.

Rachel: – so I’m sure that’s probably what it’s about.

Meesha: That makes sense.

Vince: Oh, Poor Neville. Oh, Poor Neville.

Rachel: Yeah. So without seeing it, that’s probably what it – that would be my guess ‘cause – he does talk about it with Harry later, like, and that’s why he becomes a steward at the party, instead of – a server, what ever it is, at the party. And he serves, like, food (laughs)

Slughorn's Dinner party has been confirmed (http://www.emmawatsonofficial.com/#ems/show/293) by Emma Watson and has already been filmed.


Mugglenet confirms the inclusion of Slughorn's Christmas Party:
Our friends at DanRadcliffe.com have a new set report online from a Chilean magazine called Wiken. In it, they talk with Dan Radcliffe and speak about several different aspects of Leavesden Studios (where all the Potter films are shot). Of interest to those clamouring for new Half-Blood Prince news, they talk about Horace Slughorn's Christmas party:
Wikén witnessed a scene during a filming day. In it, the new Potions Master of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, Horace Slughorn (played by the British actor Jim Broadbent, known by supporting roles in classic movies such as "Brazil and "Richard the Third"), celebrates a Christmas party in his room for a selected group of students. Slughorn walks from one group to another chatting with his guests, trying to gain his favourite students' favour.

A picture of Draco brooding had been released, said to be Malfoy watching the party attendees arriving: http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/BroodingMalfoy.jpg


A picture of Slughorn and Harry from the party has surfaced (http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1812):
http://media.mugglenet.com/i//hbpfilm/ewfallpreview/harryslughorn.jpg


It’s been mentioned in the Leaky Cauldron Set Report Teaser that Luna will wear a Xmas tree dress:
We saw Luna’s Christmas tree dress

Luna’s comments at the party have been cut:
Oh and most sadly of all, no description from Luna about the dangers of the Rotfang Conspiracy.

A picture of Luna at the party in her dress, next to Sanguini and another of Slughorn’s guests:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/53%20new%20pics/lunadress.jpg


Neville is in attendance at Slughorn's Christmas Party according to a test screening viewer:
Neville is at the Christmas party, where he's serving champagne in a waiter's uniform and he tells Harry, 'I didn't get in to the Slug Club...'

Test screening viewers also talk of McClaggen at the party:
There's a snippet at the end of the dinner party scene where he's looking at Hermione and licking his finger and... oh my gosh, I died. He's a big part of why the movie tickled me.

Also described is a scene between Harry and Hermione about McClaggen She and Harry are hiding behind a curtain and a waiter comes and offers 'Dragon Tartar' - they both say no, and the waiter says something like, 'Probably for the best - it gives you really bad breath,' and Hermione says, 'On second thought, maybe I will...' and stuffs a few in her mouth...

A test screening attendee has given extensive details about Slughorn's Christmas Party:
Harry attends with Luna (who is dressed in a peculiar silver dress that got lots of laughs from the audience), and Hermione goes with Cormac. Harry finds Hermione hiding from him behind a curtain looking disheveled because he tried to corner her under the mistletoe (her lines are straight from the book, word for word). As I know there are many here who care about such details, she is wearing a rather low cut dress that shows she is not such a little girl anymore. Harry then pulls her behind another curtain when she spots Cormac approaching and she makes a quick getaway and Harry is left trapped with Cormac behind the curtain. They discuss Hermione (I don’t remember details). Cormac is just about to leave in search of Hermione when Snape sharply pulls the curtain aside, apparently with the belief he has just caught students making out or something, because he seams shocked to see Harry and Cormac (who is on his way out). Before Snape can say something more, Filch comes through the door dragging Draco with him. Just as in the books he admits he is, what’s the words? Gape-crashing? And Slughorn like in the books forgives him. Meanwhile both Harry and Snape are watching this (Snape’s face is unfathomable as usual but his body language suggests interest or concern, Harry is standing slightly behind Snape).

A picture of Slughorn with an unknown guest, looking to be disturbed by Filch and Draco’s arrival, had emerged: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8791/desk12al6.jpg


A picture of Filch bringing in Draco has emerged:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/edp-promo-oclumencia-5.jpg


A description of Draco and Snape’s discussion came from a test screening viewer:
The next scene is Draco and Snape in a corridor trying to convince Draco to accept his help and Draco repeatedly refuses (I know there was more to this, though not much, but I just can’t recall exactly what it was). The screen starts to pan towards the right, still keeping Draco and Snape in view, but revealing Harry standing with in a parallel corridor or classroom perhaps, standing stock still listening closely. Harry overhears Draco and Snape fighting, though not in his invisibility cloak. And what Snape says is slightly different and in the book what he says does not happen in the movie (stuff about helpers and Crabbe and Goyle). But I really don't remember what he says exactly.

A montage of pictures from this scene came from a calendar:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/53%20new%20pics/normal_movies_HBPGermanCalendar_Sna.jpg

A picture of Draco walking away after his discussion with Snape, was leaked online:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/snapedraco-1.jpg

The fan reviews were warm, sure, but the impressions from non-readers were more tepid. Many said it was far too much of a romantic comedy, that many sub-plots were half-hearted, and that there were too many characters. If WB had faith in the film, we wouldn't have gone so long without a teaser, and the movie would likely not have been delayed.

To the studio, audience response is just as crucial as box office. If the audience is receptive to HBP, that will bode well for the next movie. If response is unfavourable, fewer people will see DH. Obviously HBP will make a lot of money irrespective of quality, as OOTP was popular. But the audience response to HBP will affect DH's box office hugely. For a recent example, look at the Matrix. The first film was well received, therefore Reloaded was big at the box office. However, most audiences responded negatively to the movie, which meant Revolutions did terribly, barely making half of the money Reloaded did. The studio will want to avoid that at all costs, and the drastic delay will help them to do so.

It doesn't make sense to say that the WB lacked faith in the film because of the tepid reviews of test screeners when the test screenings didn't even occur until after the delay was announced. And as for not releasing a trailer, the teaser we got a few months back was great, but then we learned it would be a year until the film. I think since the delay they were planning on waiting to do another teaser or trailer until later on. I bet November or December we'll get a teaser with a different WB movie, and then spring is when we'll see a trailer. And personally, I'd rather it be that way, especially because we can't see it until next july anyways. I'm so happy with the teaser we got, and it made me excited. But now, with the delay, it just irks me whenever I think about it because it means the movie is filmed and whether it's done with editing or not, I know it could have been done on time and yet I still have to wait. And honestly, I still think that editing will be done anyways before the prior release date of the film. While it may not have been on time for the november release, I don't think it will call for any re-filming or major editing. In all likeliness, the only editing that occured was the usual: dumping scenes that distract from the story progression, possibly adding in a scene of two, and cleaning up the final cut. I really really really don't believe that the WB execs saw it and thought that it was not good enough for release, and I'm positive that the test screening audience had nothing to do with the delay as the test screenings occurred after the delay. I believe the WB when they say it was for money. That's got to be the worst reason as far as fans go, and that's what they admitted to. If it was to improve the film, I think they could have said that without it meaning anything negative or detracting from how well the film ends up doing upon release.

Another Fortnight so another 3 chapters...


Wow, we really do know a lot about these chapters! Great job putting it together. :tu:

It sounds like the timeline of the Harry/Ginny romance is totally altered. The scene where Ginny comes late is said to be after their breakup, but Neville is at the table, which means it has to be the first Slug Club dinner. Though I suppsoe someone could have misspoken and this is just portending that Ginny and Dean are having relationship problems...

The scene of Snape finding Cormac and Harry behind a curtain sounds funny. Though it will not make up for the loss of "Funny, I never had the impression that I managed to teach Potter anything at all." :sigh:

It sounds like the timeline of the Harry/Ginny romance is totally altered. The scene where Ginny comes late is said to be after their breakup, but Neville is at the table, which means it has to be the first Slug Club dinner. Though I suppsoe someone could have misspoken and this is just portending that Ginny and Dean are having relationship problems...

Yeah, that person was talking about Ginny and Dean.

I believe the WB when they say it was for money. That's got to be the worst reason as far as fans go, and that's what they admitted to. If it was to improve the film, I think they could have said that without it meaning anything negative or detracting from how well the film ends up doing upon release.

I'm actually glad that the delay is due to money reasons. I have seen a few films that were delayed because the studios wanted to improve them, and all of them turned out to be awful. I really wonder if their first cuts were better, but the studio butchered them in order to market them toward wider group of audiences.

So apparently the full trailer has been leaked. Lots of new scenes ... it looks great. I'm not sure if I can post the link to it though ... but you can find it from the leaky cauldron home page.

So apparently the full trailer has been leaked. Lots of new scenes ... it looks great. I'm not sure if I can post the link to it though ... but you can find it from the leaky cauldron home page.

I think it looks great! Not sure how I feel about that last bit, though it is funny! :) I'll refrain from commenting more until more people have seen it.

Half-Blood Prince International Trailer (http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/harry-potter-and-half-blood-prince/feature-trailer)

Wow the new trailer looks great! I especially love the last line between Harry and Hermione:lol:

Love the new trailer, but I don't understand the "this year" line included in it. I thought the film was being released in 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6g-DBnyDtE
NEW HARRY POTTER HBP TRAILER!!!!!

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Looks awesome, especially Apperation!

New trailer looks pretty good. Seems like Delbonnel is making his mark on the movie, though the shots here do seem to be lacking something in terms of detail. Shame the dark material in the movie is so hugely outweighed by the comedy/romance guff. Hopefully Yates will take big hatchet to the cut from the test screenings.

I like Gambon's delivery. His is the performance I am most looking forward to. Really love his reading of "This memory is everything".

Not bad - although that last scene with Harry and Hermione is cringeworthy on several counts. ARGH!

The Dark stuff seems to have just the right 'feel', though.



It's just odd, really - if so much of the movie is about the rom/com stuff, a trailer that plays up the Dark themes won't do their job for them - if you create the wrong expectations about a film, box office almost always goes badly wrong....

Pretty good trailer.

I honestly don't think this movie is going to do badly in the box office, nor do I think it's going to change significantly from the test screening cut. I think maybe they'll cut something or add something here or there, but the entire movie being re-edited is a long shot. It wasn't so poorly received from the comments we've seen online. Most of the comments have skewed towards the positive.

I also fully expect to see commercials that have romance focus when the release date is closer. This one has a bit of the romance/comedy aspect in it isn't like it's going to come out of nowhere.

I thought the last bit was funny, though I'm not sure how in character it is for Harry...

I do find it interesting that there is no real plot presented in the trailers. The last 3 films have done a good job of that, POA immediately introducing that Black had escaped, GOF setting up the tournament and OOTP that the Ministry was denying Voldemort's return. The HBP trailers haven't really condensed a summary of the plot, they seem to be strings of scenes stitched together with voiceover form Dumbledore. It kind of works, at least it did for the first teaser, but this new one is a bit messy, though the book was too. It definitely does not represent the content of the current cut.

****ing awesoem trailer!

Gambon sounded great. Great shots of the Burrow burning, Snape in the Great Hall, McGonagall and Hagrid!

And HBC looks stunning as ever hehe. Love how she's almost dancy when she sets Hagrid's hut on fire.

And the last scene is perrfect. We need the balance between dark and comedy. And it's incredibly cannon with Hermione (though I'm entirely indifferent on cannon anyways) and her warning Harry of dating traps etc.

....I thought the last bit was funny, though I'm not sure how in character it is for Harry...

I dunno - it doesn't fit with Harry's character, especially the way he smirks and says 'but I am the chosen one'. Perhaps it works in context, but it seems really odd in that scene.

And I think it's rather harsh on Hermione, too.... somehow the scene almost looks like she's jealous of Harry, which obviously she isn't?




But otherwise, I have no qualms there. I think they are doing a reasonable job setting up some of the basics - that harry and Dumbledore are working together on something, and that they are trying to find out about something.

I dunno - I felt that that works rather well.

And I DO like the colouring of this film. Very nice. :)

I'm a bit condazzled with the line "this year" and having that appear at the end. Is it such an obvious thing to mislook?

I actually really liked the trailer. I think it portrays the movie to be dark and full of action, while adding a bit of romance and humour at the end. I liked how they showed Malfoy for a bit and I like how it began at the cave. I think this movie could change everyone who thinks Harris is the best Dumbledore (my self included) to think Gambon is. I can't wait to see the full cave seen with Gambon as well as the memories. I thought the trailer did a great job of hinting at a bunch of different elements of the story. I just dislike the narrator, I don't think his voice fits.

Unfortunately the movie is till very far away and this trailer just makes me want to see it even more. Now, I'm going to watch the trailer again..

One difficulty, yoshi, is that the main plot (Voldy's secrets) has nothing to do with the title of the book/film, which refers to a lesser plot which has no strong visual motif (except for the Prince's book - which can't be expected to grab audiences).

One difficulty, yoshi, is that the main plot (Voldy's secrets) has nothing to do with the title of the book/film, which refers to a lesser plot which has no strong visual motif (except for the Prince's book - which can't be expected to grab audiences).

Yeah, it is tricky, POA had wanted posters, GOF had tasks and the other schools, OOTP had a courtroom. They all helped introduce the main plot. It would be hard to set something up, though I think it could be done with more focus on Draco scheming.

It actually feels like a longer teaser to me, so if it's released early in the year I would personally consider it a teaser with probably another trailer to come a couple of months before release. I think it's a sophisticated trailer. I don't feel it looks messy at all. It's a trailer. It doesn't need to lead the audience from point A to point B and establish the spot. It's a long commercial, which is what a trailer is really, IMHO.

Klio: I don't read it as Hermione being jealous. Just like a "You dope!" sort of reaction to a sibling, especially if Ginny starts to become the one Harry is interested in and vice versa. If we get the sense that Romilda is just after Harry because he's the chosen one, it might be in contrast to Ginny who is really just interested in Harry for himself. It depends on how it plays out in context of course, but I really don't get the jealous vibe here. I'm more concerned about Harry. If he's joking then it works, but if he isn't, he comes across as a bit arrogant.

:clap: yay trailer!!
i've only watched it 3 times so far, but i really like it! it's just as dark as it needs to be. i thought the little bit at the end was cute, but definitely out of character.
oh! and seeing more of the cave was really cool, looks like that scene will be super intense, hopefully right up there with the book *crosses fingers*
*goes to watch again*

This is the trailer that should have ready in May: but they were still filming then, so that was not an option.

The trailer seems to emphasize both plot (especially Voldemort) and story (we see quite a few tidbits of Harry's personal politics.) Sadly, they are leaving in Lav-Lav: that won't impress the non-fans any (or a lot of the fans, come to that!) Hopefully the Quidditch will be brief: although fans like it, the bulk of the audience doesn't and it never has made for good cinema. The attack on the burrow is shown a bit: it looks like that could be good for advancing Harry+Ginny, and Dumbledore's voice over emphasizes the political nature of events, which is a nice supporting theme to Harry's story. There is a bit of emphasis on the "retrieve the memory" subplot (A2, I think), and a bit of Draco/Snape related stuff (the B-plot!), including the "fight me you coward" stuff.

The final bit between Harry & Hermione is amusing: but also on story! after all, what has more to do with personal politics than sex? :p

One other thing jumped out at me: the symmetry between the Ron & Hermione shot and GrandPré's cover art for the US version of the book. The LotR films did this a bit, and they actually hired two prominent Tolkien artists to sketch potential sets. This made things "familiar" to fans: obviously nothing important to Joe & Jane Movie-Goer who never pick up the books, but nice eye candy for the fans!

I do find it interesting that there is no real plot presented in the trailers.
Well, they only show the plot if you know it already: but plot often is fairly complicated, and even reciting a plot synopsis can take more time than a movie trailer allows. (It would be a lousy trailer, too!)

That being said, the two trailers have emphasized the A-plot. Unfortunately, and as mrfutterman noted, the eponym is D-plot: and linked only to the B-plot (?Draco ?Snape) until the end.

I would take some comfort from the fact that the trailers (especially when taken together) are beginning to tell us what the story is. Unlike a plot, that can be stated in a single line: and thus summarized in a trailer!

I do wish that they were cutting non-story elements like Lav-Lav & Quidditch: hopefully it will not bite them on the mule like it did with Stone & Chamber!


I do find it interesting that there is no real plot presented in the trailers.
Well, they only show the plot if you know it already: but plot often is fairly complicated, and even reciting a plot synopsis can take more time than a movie trailer allows. (It would be a lousy trailer, too!)

That being said, the two trailers have emphasized the A-plot. Unfortunately, and as mrfutterman noted, the eponym is D-plot: and linked only to the B-plot (?Draco ?Snape) until the end.

I would take some comfort from the fact that the trailers (especially when taken together) are beginning to tell us what the story is. Unlike a plot, that can be stated in a single line: and thus summarized in a trailer!

I do wish that they were cutting non-story elements like Lav-Lav & Quidditch: hopefully it will not bite them on the mule like it did with Stone & Chamber!

I just saw the new trailer! It's awesome! Im gonna go have to watch it more closely and comment on things.

I must say I lovelovelove :love: this trailer! Yikes! :clap:

Really, I mean it. I loved this one. The visual presentation is stunning, and I particularly loved the Death Eater in the Great Hall shot with Snape as their lead; also the shot of Draco at the far end of the hallway was really mood-setting. The beginning with the cliffs, the cave entrance and the ring of fire were just beautiful. And yes, I did love the bit at the end, too. I laughed out loud, in fact. And I don't even think it's inappropriate, because the subtext is absolutely in tune with the idea of HBP, as I see it - the 'you must look below the surface, Harry, things are not what they seem. What matters isn't what meets the eye' - like Romilda's interest is simply at face-level, and Harry being flattered by such interest is as well. The entire Half-Blood Prince question deals with this angle, so does Snape's seeming allegiance, so does the Draco-tries-to-be-evol narrative, but mostly: that's what all the memories about Tom Riddle are really all about. They're nothing but memories without the proper interpretation.

I'm suprised that no-one's commented on Dumbledore's hand yet. It really does look revolting and ugly.

OMG IT WAS SO GOOD! sorry for squeal. :P

It was amazing. Was that Greyback I saw a glimpse of in the trailer?

And I loved how Bellatrix jumped at the end :P

Ohhhh! I want to see it soooooooooo badly! *goesbuildstimemachine*

originally posted by jammi567
I'm suprised that no-one's commented on Dumbledore's hand yet. It really does look revolting and ugly.

I didn't even notice that until I watched it a second time. I'm glad they kept that, it's the little details that the fans love. Kudos!

And, WOW! I loved this trailer. So much better then the first one. :clap:

I'm going to have to watch it a few more times to get everything, but it looks like they've kept a lot of the good stuff. We saw Quidditch, Lav-Lav, Draco and Harry on the train, Snape leading the DE, and best of all, "Stand and fight you coward!" I got chills when I heard that!

I was a little confused at some of the clips, for a second I thought Hagrid had a wand, and I'm still not sure.

As to the stuff about the attack on the Burrow: I've been against it all this time, but now that I see some of it, it may actually be a good addition. It looks like it's going to help advance Harry/Ginny (was that Harry standing in front of her?) and it'll be an exciting bit of action apart from the climax. How often do we get 2 major battles? :)

All in all, I like it!

EDIT: Oh, and I loved that bit at the end. I actually laughed out loud, a very rare occurance in these films.

On a slightly different note - when I saw the photo of Snape inspecting the necklace (with Harry and McG in the background), I thought that Alan Rickman looked younger than before, but thought, oh well, it's just a photo. But I had exactly the same idea when seeing him the trailer now. How is it possible? Or is it just me? Did anyone else think he looked younger?

I really like the trailer :D I'm so glad that whoever is making the trailers are doing a good job. The only trailer I liked from HP before the HBP trailers was the OotP International Trailer. I love how this is so dark and mysterious but also light. I got the goosebumps when Harry called Snape a coward.

I'm suprised that no-one's commented on Dumbledore's hand yet. It really does look revolting and ugly.

I just noticed that! :wow: I hope someone gets some screencaps. It looks really disgusting.

It was amazing. Was that Greyback I saw a glimpse of in the trailer?

I've been wondering that. :hmm: Is it Greyback? It doesn't look a lot like the glimpse we saw of him in the other teaser. Maybe it's one of the Yaxleys?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

An ******* trailer?!

:wow:

It is simply amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On a slightly different note - when I saw the photo of Snape inspecting the necklace (with Harry and McG in the background), I thought that Alan Rickman looked younger than before, but thought, oh well, it's just a photo. But I had exactly the same idea when seeing him the trailer now. How is it possible? Or is it just me? Did anyone else think he looked younger?

He does. I think it's the angles they are shooting him in and the lighting. He looks great though, so I'm happy. :) Loved your first post about the trailer too! :tu:

Screencaps are up! (http://www.jessiecave.com/harrypotter/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=9) :rockon:

Screencaps are up! (http://www.jessiecave.com/harrypotter/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=9) :rockon:
Yay for screencaps. Loved the trailer...seen it so many times already that I wrote down the narrative:

Transcript:

Dumbledore in antechamber of the cave: "This is beyond anything I imagined. This is a different kind of magic."

Dumbledore and the ring of fire: "Very Dark, very powerful."

Dumbledore in Headmaster's Office: "Once again I must ask too much of you Harry."

Dumbledore speaks as we see flashes of the Burrow and Hogwarts: "Everyday, every hour, this very minute in fact, Dark Forces attempt to penetrate these walls."

Dumbledore in Headmaster's Office, apparition scene: "This time I can't hope to destroy it alone."

NARRATOR: "This year..."

Dumbledore in Office: "This memory is everything."

NARRATOR: "...only he..."

Dumbledore: "You're the Chosen One, Harry."

NARRATOR: "...can unlock the secret..."

Dumbledore: "Without this would leave the fate of our world to chance."

NARRATOR: "...that can save them all..."

Harry: "Fight back you coward."

Remus: "Harry!"

Hermione: "Hey! *SNAPS FINGERS* She's only interested in you because she thinks your the 'Chosen One'."

Harry: "But I am the Chosen One."

Hermione: *SMACKS HARRY ON THE HEAD WITH A PIECE OF PAPER*

Harry: "Okay, sorry. Erm...kidding."

I just noticed that! :wow: I hope someone gets some screencaps. It looks really disgusting.


Meh, not really...just looks a little black and ashen to me :shrug:

here you go btw :)

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/Trailer_DD_hand.jpg

Thanks! Wow, they did a pretty great job on that hand. It looks extremely grotesque to me. Now I want them to come out with some higher quality pictures from the trailer.

Oh no they didn't!!!!
I'm used to wait months for the trailers, and now they come out like that?!
Anyway, the trailer is wonderful, but after the writing 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince', it sucks more than everything I ever seen: that scene with Romila shouldn't really be in a trailer, that is not a Hugh Grant movie I mean!

The ending was great - but I liked the first trailer much better - this one was a bit too fragmented for me - you are left thinking, Huh? However, the scenes were dynamic and explosive, which is exciting to watch and from that aspect it was a great trailer. But honestly, the first one made me actually want to see the movie rather than wait for the DVD like I have the last 5 movies. This one...meh, I'd await the DVD. So it is good they are doing various ones.

And I don't even think it's inappropriate, because the subtext is absolutely in tune with the idea of HBP, as I see it - the 'you must look below the surface, Harry, things are not what they seem. What matters isn't what meets the eye' - like Romilda's interest is simply at face-level, and Harry being flattered by such interest is as well. The entire Half-Blood Prince question deals with this angle, so does Snape's seeming allegiance, so does the Draco-tries-to-be-evol narrative, but mostly: that's what all the memories about Tom Riddle are really all about. They're nothing but memories without the proper interpretation.


Well, the story is very much about Harry's right vs. easy choices of personal politics. That includes: 1. RomanceA. Ramilda;
B. Ginny.2. MentorA. Scrimmy;
B. Ginny.3. Draco as:A. blustering harmless bully;
B. enemy to be taken seriously.4. Snape as:A. enemy;
B. unlikeable ally.5. The Prince as:A. mentor;
B. snake-with-apple.6. Routes to ambitionsA. Slughorn's old-boys network;
B. Harry himself.
In all cases, "A" is "easy-but-wrong" whereas "B" is "hard-but-right." Now, I probably am missing a couple: but you get the idea! Taken together, this creates a story about personal politics: whom do you accept, for whom do you campaign, from whom do you accept support?

In contrast, the antagonist makes all of his decisions as follows: X. Any issue choose:A. to trust anybody else;
B. trust only Voldemort.. (Of course, Rowling later undermines Dumbledore's message in Hallows: but that is a different story, and even that could be respun to remain consistent with the Prince story.)

Hopefully, the A-plot will present the antagonist's contrast with the protagonist. The only weird thing is that the A-plot delivers the antagonist's contribution to the story whereas the B-, C- and D-plots give the protagonist's contribution.

The trailers are hinting that the movie will tell this story: hopefully the irrelevancies (e.g., Quidditch & Won-Won) won't distract the audience from the story. We'll know in a few months.


Oh no they didn't!!!!
I'm used to wait months for the trailers, and now they come out like that?!
Anyway, the trailer is wonderful, but after the writing 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince', it sucks more than everything I ever seen: that scene with Romila shouldn't really be in a trailer, that is not a Hugh Grant movie I mean!

I rarely disagree with you, but we have a rare exception! I think that it works for the following reasons. It is amusing, and a good trailer needs a bit of a "gotcha": besides, the movie would look completely dark otherwise!
Romilda is very much an "easy" choice for Harry: and what teenage male would not be tempted? The story is about separating the Romilda analogs from the Ginny analogs in a variety of issues: and this is one of the easiest ways to communicate that!

I thought the last bit was funny, though I'm not sure how in character it is for Harry...

I thought it was hilarious. I don't think it's trying to show him seriously interested in Romilda. But Film!Romilda is quite good-looking...I think this is supposed to be Harry's hormones being interested. Like he canit quite help gawking at the cure girl who is pursuing him, even though he's actually inetrested in Ginny. :)

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0022.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0035.jpg

Oh, I love the look of the cave! And the opening of the trailer was perfect!

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0060.jpg

wow!!!! - it's the hand! I must say it doesn't look precisely like I thought it would, but it does look scary!!

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0125.jpg

ok, I didn't like the shot they chose for this line :shrug:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0130.jpg

No idea where this is meant to be - I guess its just Harry walking in a corridor lol

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0173.jpg

the burrow is actually on fire???

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0185.jpg

we know where the tower is lol

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0188.jpg

Draco either in or outside the RoR?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0190.jpg

Oh, this is part of the montage with Ron and Hermione looking outside from the common room

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0203.jpg

Draco in the RoR? Doing - something?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0205.jpg

Nagini!! More hope that the flashes sequence will be included cos a shot of Nagini was in it!

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0230.jpg

Oh, Apparation was cool! Though I thought Gambon looked stiff....

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/Arry3G/HarryPotterStuff/HBP%20trailer%202/normal_trailer-2-0236.jpg

I first thought this was reused clips form the QWC - but it's not lol.
Is that a good thing?

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lol THis looks to be a good scene from all we have of it lol

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Slughorn extracting his memory - can't see much of Hagrid's hut behind him

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I guess this is the Inferi? But they still haven't been added!

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Oh, I am really interested to see the attack.

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The tribute to Dumbledore :( I think this scene will fell different with a different score...

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I laugh everytime I see this lol

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Well, first up the only person I recognised was Snap and I thought it was teachers lol. So I suppose that's good for the non-book audience as the ambignity is kept.
I find it odd no one else is in the hall? why would they even go in there?

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So it looks like the Flight of the Prince happens THROUGH the forest!

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It's Greyback! He looks really different than what I thought, but I'll live :p

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Hagrid's Hut on fire!!!!

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And someone pointed out to me that this is probably Harry looking through the floorboards, but I'm not entirely sure :hmm:

Oh the last scene was simply hilarous - I was shaking through the whole thing (cos of the suddeness of it probably lol) until then lol

The visual presentation is stunning, and I particularly loved the Death Eater in the Great Hall shot with Snape as their lead;

*slaps forehead* Is THAT what that is? :love: I coudl only make out Draco behind him and was wondering...Snape and some Slytherins stalking out of the Great Hall...when is this, I wonder?

*slaps forehead* Is THAT what that is? :love: I coudl only make out Draco behind him and was wondering...Snape and some Slytherins stalking out of the Great Hall...when is this, I wonder?

Yeah, that is what that is :lol: I didn't realize that at first either :whistle:

But you can see the Death Eaters un-masked in that screencap :cool: I wonder where Yaxley and Rowle are :hmm:

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And we can see this from comparing to the castings:

Dave Legeno has been cast (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/dave-legeno-cast-fenrir-greyback-half-blood-prince-updated-54506/) as Fenrir Greyback
Ralph Inseson has been cast (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/ralph-ineson-cast-amycus-carrow-half-blood-prince-54508/) as Amycus Carrow
Suzanne Toase has been cast (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/alecto-carrow-cast-half-blood-prince-updated-55705/) as Alecto Carrow
Rod Hunt has been cast (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/exclusive-blonde-death-eater-rowle-cast-half-blood-prince-57472/) as Blonde Death Eater Rowle
Lord John Paul Castrianni has been cast (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/death-eater-yaxley-cast-half-blood-prince-57675/) as Yaxley:
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The shot of McGonagall raising her wand looks dreadful. I hope they change the spell effect there, the background looks weird too, and I hope we see a bit more emotion from Hagrid in that scene. He looks totally calm there. His reaction to DD's bdy was one of my favourite parts of the book.

The ending was great - but I liked the first trailer much better - this one was a bit too fragmented for me - you are left thinking, Huh? However, the scenes were dynamic and explosive, which is exciting to watch and from that aspect it was a great trailer. But honestly, the first one made me actually want to see the movie rather than wait for the DVD like I have the last 5 movies. This one...meh, I'd await the DVD. So it is good they are doing various ones.

Really? This is the exact opposite of what I think. I really disliked the first trailer. It was like watching the memory with Tom Riddle and that's it. The first trailer didn't really show us much else in the story.

I thought the second trailer showed us everything we missed in the first one. I really liked all the action and the intensity. I thought the Dumbledore voice over and the music was great.

But I guess our opinions differ.


On to the picture of the Death Eaters, I wish it was a bit higher quality. Its hard to really tell what the Death Eaters look like. But now, I'm really looking forward seeing all the new Death Eaters we haven't seen yet. The Carrows look nothing like I imagined but Greyback looks perfect.

It starts Dark and Ends with a Comedic tone!... I loved it! Very Unexpected... The paper smacking scene I Particularly enjoyed, A treat for a lot of Vid makers is that little snipet of Won-Won and Lav-Lav in the middle... i expect to see a lot of that clip on you tube.

I don;t know if its been brought up yet, but what is with the yellow tinge in almost every daylight scene?

The image of the Death Eaters in the Great Hall doesn't show Bellatrix or other Death Eaters. There is a snip of the pic where someone, a male, is walking behind Snape. And one of the reasons they might be in the Great Hall is they could have been coming out of the room just beyond. Looking closely at the picture you see that door is ajar.

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The image of the Death Eaters in the Great Hall doesn't show Bellatrix or other Death Eaters. There is a snip of the pic where someone, a male, is walking behind Snape. And one of the reasons they might be in the Great Hall is they could have been coming out of the room just beyond. Looking closely at the picture you see that door is ajar.

I suppose that's Yaxley

And I don't knwo why that dorr should be open - that's the trophy room :lol:

I don;t know if its been brought up yet, but what is with the yellow tinge in almost every daylight scene?

I think that's the cinematographer's style. I've seen clips of other films by Bruno Delbonnel and his style tends to be like that.

http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w337/Acunis44/trailer-2-0341.jpg

I LOVE this pic. Can't wait to see it on the big screen. HBC is my all time fav actress so :)

Noob question, but anyone know where I can find the trailer in HD? :)

I don;t know if its been brought up yet, but what is with the yellow tinge in almost every daylight scene?

thats exactly what i wanted to know when the first teaser was out, i think it looks awful, it's really distracting, doesnt look darker like its suppose to.

oh well, as good as the trailer looks, i have no faith in yates and his crew from OotP, most everyone is back and I dont think in just one movie everyone changed there style enough for me to like it, ill be looking for tons of botched editing and really slow paced acting.

The shot of McGonagall raising her wand looks dreadful. I hope they change the spell effect there, the background looks weird too, and I hope we see a bit more emotion from Hagrid in that scene. He looks totally calm there. His reaction to DD's bdy was one of my favourite parts of the book.

My guess is that they have a lot of work to do on the effects still. They did not wrap shooting until early June, and they probably put the post-production on reduced pace once they realized that they were not going to have the film out by late November.


I think that's the cinematographer's style. I've seen clips of other films by Bruno Delbonnel and his style tends to be like that.Delbonnel does that a lot, but only when necessary for a particular mood. For example, "Across the Universe" did not feature this ubiquitously, save for a few of the more moody numbers.

The yellowish glare gives the illusion of a haze, which is fitting given that there is supposed to be a gloom of foreboding over the wizarding world. Rowling writes this into the tale: the weird gloom of the Dementor's Haze permeates the world. The cinematic style (including both pacing and lighting) needs to create the proper "narrative" mood to reflect this. Although there is some levity to this tale, and although it is not as dark and uncomfortable the prior story, it still is a fairly morose story in many ways: the production should leave us feeling a little "blah" and unsettled.

Just yesterday I posted that I'm glad the next trailer or teaser hasn't come out yet because when I see them it makes it harder to wait until next July. And then today I pop on in to check the thread, which hasn't moved in days, and suddenly we have a trailer and several new pages.

My fear has been confirmed.... I loved the trailer and am now even more annoyed that I have to wait until next summer to see this movie. Even though the part at the end may be unlike book Harry, I can sort of see a part of it being in character for movie Harry. He saw juice come sputtering out of his mouth because he got excited/flustered when Cho smiled at him. Obviously, the boy likes girls. Romilda is a pretty girl, and it's not like Harry was making jokes about making out with her and then hi-fiving his buddies. I thought it was just a cute little light moment. I don't see Hermione as jealous in any way, just more annoyed by the behavior, like a big sister or friend would be.

I'm not in the least bit afraid that romance is going to take over the whole movie. Early screeners said there was a lot of romance and quidditch (I can't remember how to spell that fracking word right now), but we now they haven't ignored the dark parts because the trailers have shown some those. I think the final cut may have a bit less romance in it, but it will only be a bit less. The book is a split between romance/growing up mixed with dark trials and people. That's what the movie will be. If you didn't like it in the book, I don't expect that you'll like it in the film, period. If moody Harry annoyed you in the book, then moody Harry was going to be in the movie and annoy you in the movie. This isn't changing a small storyline that goes no where, it would be changing half the plot, just as Harry's anger was half the plot (if not more so) in the fifth story/movie.

My fear has been confirmed.... I loved the trailer and am now even more annoyed that I have to wait until next summer to see this movie.
Well, keep in mind that had the movie been on schedule, then this was the sort of trailer we would have gotten in May or June. Indeed, we got a trailer of comparable quality for Prisoner in November of 2003

Even though the part at the end may be unlike book Harry, I can sort of see a part of it being in character for movie Harry. It is not so much "movie-Harry" as a cinematic way of communicating the story. Moreover, there is not much point to showing Romilda as an easy-but-wrong choice if there is no hint that Harry might be tempted, if only just a little. The audience needs to see this: otherwise, the scene (or any other scene) serves no purpose!

hmmm, i don't know why, but when i saw the shot of everyone and McGonagall pointing her wand in the air, i NEVER thought for a moment this could be the tribute from Dumbledore, and for some reason i don't think that's what this scene is, i dont know what else it could be, but it just doesn't seem like this would be it, and i also sincerely hope they change the spell's effect.

I am soooo happy we got the Ron/Lavender kiss scene :love:
Not quite sure how to post images, but I love it XD

http://www.jessiecave.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=43

hmmm, i don't know why, but when i saw the shot of everyone and McGonagall pointing her wand in the air, i NEVER thought for a moment this could be the tribute from Dumbledore, and for some reason i don't think that's what this scene is, i dont know what else it could be, but it just doesn't seem like this would be it, and i also sincerely hope they change the spell's effect.Maybe it's to wipe away the Dark Mark over the castle?

I love the new trailer. I especially like the scene with Dumbledore and the fire soaring around his head. Looks good! I am particularly intrigued by the attack on the Burrow.

I see they left in the scene where Harry sneaks into Malfoy's compartment on the train to listen in on his conversation. You see the scene where Malfoy throws Harry's invisibility cloak over him when he's lying on the floor.

Love the funny bit at the end too.

I'm excited! OK, when's the next trailer to be released? :lol:

I think the reference to "this year" is to the school year at Hogwarts and not the movie being released this year. "This year, only he can unlock the secret to save them all." Or something like that.

On a slightly different note - when I saw the photo of Snape inspecting the necklace (with Harry and McG in the background), I thought that Alan Rickman looked younger than before, but thought, oh well, it's just a photo. But I had exactly the same idea when seeing him the trailer now. How is it possible? Or is it just me? Did anyone else think he looked younger?

Oh yes... I keep being amazed about this. He definitely looks younger. And, it has to be said, his hair is niccer, too. I wonder whether they finally caught on to the Snape fan phenomenon or something?

I can't say I mind, though ;)


Noob question, but anyone know where I can find the trailer in HD? :)


I am surely not the most knowledgeable person here - but before your question gets missed completely, I'll try to answer.


Since this was apparently leaked, it is likely that there isn't yet a HD version.
But I'd expect them to put up an official HD version soon.... there isn't much else a production company can do after something like this gets onto Youtube....

Well, keep in mind that had the movie been on schedule, then this was the sort of trailer we would have gotten in May or June. Indeed, we got a trailer of comparable quality for Prisoner in November of 2003

It is not so much "movie-Harry" as a cinematic way of communicating the story. Moreover, there is not much point to showing Romilda as an easy-but-wrong choice if there is no hint that Harry might be tempted, if only just a little. The audience needs to see this: otherwise, the scene (or any other scene) serves no purpose!

I agree. In the books, we had Harry's personality and internal dialogue as the compass through which we viewed his every action. We don't have that in the movies, so they can be more free as to how they portray him. I don't think it takes away from who he is as a person (in the book) to have this scene in the movie. It just makes it clear that "romance" is a part of this story, because the kids are growing up. I'm okay with a bit of flirting and romance with HBP, because I know that DH is going to put a damper on that sort of thing, ya know what I mean? Let little Harry have some lovin'. Besides, he didn't look like he was about to use his wand to write his number in the air (a-la "tom marvolo riddle" = "i am lord voldemort"). It was more like "wow, she's sort of pretty, and it looks like she likes me. I don't mind this at all. There are worse things that could be happening. Let me just sit here and take this in. Me, Harry, enjoying having an attractive girl stare at me like she wants to ride my broomstick (with me, nothing bad here)."

Well, I'm late on the scene, and this is certainly going to cut into my homework time, but...wow. That was a pretty good trailer. I was actually expecting more from all the comments I read as it was loading, but all-in-all, not bad at all.

It seems to me that they have the dark down, but I'm a little concerned that the light bits are sort of...too light. They seem really random. For instance the scene at the end, funny sure, but so not Harry! Why on earth would he say something like that when he knows what it implies? The Harry we know only ever jokes in sardonic sarcasm if even that. He's just not that kind of guy you know?

Meesh, where are you? Are you with me in the SEETHING ANGER of replacing H/G kiss scene with stupid LAV-LAV!!!?!?!?! That's the most idiodic thing I've ever seen! (sorry for those who enjoyed it but my H/G blinders would not allow me to see the scene I've always imagined in my head with the WRONG characters acting it out!) I love Rupe, and I've always been one to cheer him on in hoping he gets bigger and more frequent scenes, but not this! It's abominable! THE START OF THE HARRY/GINNY RELATIONSHIP!! Do they realize that she's his future wife and child-barer? It is called "Harry Potter" is it not?

:grumble:

Okay.

Done with that rant....

agree. In the books, we had Harry's personality and internal dialogue as the compass through which we viewed his every action. We don't have that in the movies, so they can be more free as to how they portray him. I don't think it takes away from who he is as a person (in the book) to have this scene in the movie. It just makes it clear that "romance" is a part of this story, because the kids are growing up. I'm okay with a bit of flirting and romance with HBP, because I know that DH is going to put a damper on that sort of thing, ya know what I mean? Let little Harry have some lovin'. Besides, he didn't look like he was about to use his wand to write his number in the air (a-la "tom marvolo riddle" = "i am lord voldemort"). It was more like "wow, she's sort of pretty, and it looks like she likes me. I don't mind this at all. There are worse things that could be happening. Let me just sit here and take this in. Me, Harry, enjoying having an attractive girl stare at me like she wants to ride my broomstick (with me, nothing bad here)."

I disagree actually. I really do think it takes away from who he is as a person. He's a very troubled character really, as good and true as he is--he's almost dark. I mean, he's very emotional and his humor is never "light" and joking, it's always kind of twisted or sarcastic like "oh, great, another chance to die" or something like that. To me an integral part of Harry is the parallel to who he could have been--we watch the parallels between him, Voldermot and Snape all as the "lost boys" and how horrible and dark their lives were and how they grew up in spite of that--it totally takes away from that immensly important contrast if Harry is not outwardly expressing that whole side. Yes there's plenty of angst, but when they pull in the "comedy" side of Harry, they have to be consistent! This just isn't Harry to be joking about "the Chosen One" like that and laughing at it. Maybe it was just the way Dan did it---it could have worked if he'd been more sarcastic in it and not so "hahaha! I made a funny!" I don't know--maybe it's just me.

Another thing is, yes, Harry is starting to get into the whole "girl" thing (at long last...poor chap) but think of the whole Ginny/funeral thing in the book. Harry is not the kind of boy who sits and drools over a girl lightly. If he were to be staring at a girl he would be serious, sort of embarrassed and distant, seeting in the fact that his horrible life means he's probably going to kick the bucket before he ever gets to experience life. He has those awkward moments like in GoF with Cho, but always underlying is that introverted little orphan boy who knows he's doomed.

That's Harry Potter! That's the whole plot! It's his struggle for life and death and against all the circumstances that tell him he should be something evil or corrupted!

It just appears to me that they're making Harry a schitzo. One minute he's got his moody side on, and the next he's popping jokes and drooling stupidly over girls.:grumble:




On a small side note. Ron=:drool:

Someone just asked for a HD version. I have one but it's in avi formatt and I'm having trouble converting to wmv... driving me bonkers..

I love that they put in Harry yelling "Fight Back You Coward".
Presumably at Snape, even though we don't see the exact senario.

Can I just say, thank god, we at least know that will be in there!
Also the image of the Death Eaters following Snape is awesome.

Even though we arn't supposedly going to have a full-on "battle" at Hogwarts, I am so relieved that their still seems to be some sembelance of chaos, terror, etc.

Is the trailer on youtube yet?

Is the trailer on youtube yet?

Yes.

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Link. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmrsslucpZg)

Is the trailer on youtube yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WNUAMA2b2Q

I really like the trailer. :)

I was impressed with the opening and how the Dark side comes across. Very chilling.

Snape and the Death Eaters, oh my!

Harry's line calling Severus a coward ... of course it's excellent that the line is in, but it will make me feel so sad. :sigh: (I'll feel like yelling from my seat, "OH NO, HE'S NOT!" And you'll find that out eventually, Harry.)

I could do without the Quidditch shot. :rolleyes: I'm not thrilled that this movie has Quidditch. But I'll live with it. :p

I feel the pain of the H/G fans. I actually thought that was the H/G kiss, before I realised it was Lav-Lav and Won.

Jessie Cave really does look a complete ditz as Lavender though. Perfect. :lol:

I disagree actually. I really do think it takes away from who he is as a person. He's a very troubled character really, as good and true as he is--he's almost dark. I mean, he's very emotional and his humor is never "light" and joking, it's always kind of twisted or sarcastic like "oh, great, another chance to die" or something like that. To me an integral part of Harry is the parallel to who he could have been--we watch the parallels between him, Voldermot and Snape all as the "lost boys" and how horrible and dark their lives were and how they grew up in spite of that--it totally takes away from that immensly important contrast if Harry is not outwardly expressing that whole side. Yes there's plenty of angst, but when they pull in the "comedy" side of Harry, they have to be consistent! This just isn't Harry to be joking about "the Chosen One" like that and laughing at it. Maybe it was just the way Dan did it---it could have worked if he'd been more sarcastic in it and not so "hahaha! I made a funny!" I don't know--maybe it's just me.

I very much like your observations on Book Harry, and love your description of him as "an introverted little orphan boy who knows he's doomed."

But I wasn't too bothered by Harry's scene with Hermione at the end ... I thought it was cute. :p Rowling has an impish sense of humour in her books and I don't see why the films shouldn't have some fun with her characters. :)

And, to be honest, you really can't tell that much from a trailer.
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I agree. In the books, we had Harry's personality and internal dialogue as the compass through which we viewed his every action.Yes, this is the biggest challenge of translating a literary protagonist to a cinematic protagonist: unless you resort to voice-over, we cannot see/hear the protagonist's thoughts. Indeed, it makes it tough to develop non-protagonists: we might never read Hermione's or Ron's unspoken thoughts, but Harry frequently thinks about he suspects that they are thinking. He might not always be correct: but it develops the non-protagonists as they are developed in Harry's mind.

It just makes it clear that "romance" is a part of this story, because the kids are growing up.Well, it is more than that: it is about Harry's personal politics. Romilda is to Ginny what Srimgeour is to Dumbledore, Slughorn's cronyism is to Harry making his own way, trusting Snape is to distrusting Snape, recognizing Draco's villainry is to dismissing Draco as incapable, distrusting the Prince is to trusting the Prince, etc. But, of course, that is what makes a story: the commonalities between events that give them meaning beyond that which any single event has! The movie has to figure how to communicate what the above set of analogies communicate.

Me, Harry, enjoying having an attractive girl stare at me like she wants to ride my broomstick (with me, nothing bad here)."Well, there is no point in sending Christ up the Mount if he's not going to at least hear out Satan! Harry Potter stories all ultimately are about Harry rejecting the temptation of easy choices. Ramilda is an easy choice of a "who," just as all of the other choices listed above are choices of "who."

(And, of course, in contrast, Voldemort always makes the same choice of "who": Voldemort!)



I disagree actually. I really do think it takes away from who he is as a person. He's a very troubled character really, as good and true as he is--he's almost dark. I mean, he's very emotional and his humor is never "light" and joking, it's always kind of twisted or sarcastic like "oh, great, another chance to die" or something like that.
This is a major misreading of Harry. Indeed, it is very relevant here: what seems to draw Harry to Ginny is Ginny's sense of humor, which tends to be flippant and like Harry's own. (In contrast, Ron's sense of humor tends to be dark and mean, whereas as Hermione's tends to be one of ironic munificence!) Yes, it can be darkly sarcastic at times: but really only in dark and dangerous moments. Harry likes a good laugh: he just does not get that many opportunities to have one.

Moreover, the most important thing here is to communicate story. For Harry+Ginny to mean anything to the story, the telling must communicate that Harry has easier choices than Ginny. If Harry comes across as indifferent to the flirtations of the other girls, then there is no obvious choice. (Yes, book readers might get it: but remember that book readers are a minority of the audience, and real hardcore fans much smaller still.) The movie cannot show Harry's thoughts, and glances do not cut it. The most sensible thing to do is adapt the existing scenes (e.g., Hermione & Harry in the library when Draco/Pince is spying upon them, or Harry's nearly asking Hermione for advice about Ginny, only to shy away.)

To me an integral part of Harry is the parallel to who he could have been--we watch the parallels between him, Voldermot and Snape all as the "lost boys" and how horrible and dark their lives were and how they grew up in spite of that--it totally takes away from that immensly important contrast if Harry is not outwardly expressing that whole side.The "lost boys" aspect really is not relevant to this particular story. What is important, moreover, is not the parallel between protagonist and antagonist, but the difference. For Voldemort, the easy choice is always "me." He chooses other people to be in his life only when it is convenient to use them; in a sense, all of his apparent choices of someone else really are subterfuges for choosing himself alone.

Harry, in contrast, chooses to include different people in his life. This story is about how/why Harry makes those decisions: i.e., personal politics.

Now, romance is a part of this. To communicate this, the film must show that Harry has easier choices than Ginny: and it has to make it clear that there is a choice involved here. Harry could take up with Ramilda, just as Harry could take up with Scrimmy or could take advantage of Sluggy's old-boys' network, etc. The audience has to think that these are appealing alternatives: otherwise, the film will simply show events and not tell Rowling's story.

Oh... my... gosh! That trailer is absolutely amazing!

Drama, action, suspense, comedy! Bravo guys! EXCELLENT TRAILER!

Dumbledore's hand looks great... but I wish it was... er... blacker.

My favorite bit of the trailer is the Ron/Hermione part where they are looking out the window. I am such a Ron/Hermione shipper. Heh.

I loved the bits with the attack on the Burrow! That is just simply amazing and can't wait for that bit in the movie. Greyback is just great! Also the bit where Hagrid's Hut goes on fire... WOW!

I didn't get what was happening with McGonagall and Hagrid and the kids until I realized that that is the tribute to Dumbledore. It looks pretty good.

The apparation scene with Dumbledore and Harry looks cool! A bit different than I thought it would look, but it does look like it would in the book.

Hmm, that scene with Snape and the Death Eaters. Couldn't that give a lot away, even though 1) no body knows who any of those people are in the back unless you are a book reader and 2) it was a quick scene.

I love the "Fight you coward" quote, that was great.

And the last scene. That might annoy me after a few rewatches of the trailer and the movie, but right now, I kinda like it. It is funny!

I really like the trailer. :)

I was impressed with the opening and how the Dark side comes across. Very chilling.

Snape and the Death Eaters, oh my!

Harry's line calling Severus a coward ... of course it's excellent that the line is in, but it will make me feel so sad. :sigh: (I'll feel like yelling from my seat, "OH NO, HE'S NOT!" And you'll find that out eventually, Harry.)

Someone mentioned earlier that the ending was too 'romatic comedy', but as you point out, with all the chilling scenes, one might imagine that the movies are going totally dark, so I think having that ending was a very good idea to let people know that the humor JKR infused in the actual books is still present in the movies. As for Harry's line, I thought it was great and I think it correct at the time, so I would jump up and cheer, yes! quite correct! :lol:. But all will see that distinctly I imagine.

I could do without the Quidditch shot. :rolleyes: I'm not thrilled that this movie has Quidditch. But I'll live with it. :p

:( I love the Quidditch...the highlight in all the movies it has been in so far. But then again, I am a sports nut, so maybe that is why...

(ETA: I think I transformed momentarily into YODA while I wrote that last sentence...:rotfl:)

But I wasn't too bothered by Harry's scene with Hermione at the end ... I thought it was cute. :p Rowling has an impish sense of humour in her books and I don't see why the films shouldn't have some fun with her characters. :)

:agree:

As for Harry's line, I thought it was great and I think it correct at the time, so I would jump up and cheer, yes! quite correct! :lol:.

:no:

:( I love the Quidditch...the highlight in all the movies it has been in so far. But then again, I am a sports nut, so maybe that is why...

I haven't hated the Quidditch in the previous films. :) I just thought that particular Quidditch shot was a bit blah. :p

(ETA: I think I transformed momentarily into YODA while I wrote that last sentence...:rotfl:)

:lol:

originally posted by Wimsey
This is a major misreading of Harry. Indeed, it is very relevant here: what seems to draw Harry to Ginny is Ginny's sense of humor, which tends to be flippant and like Harry's own. (In contrast, Ron's sense of humor tends to be dark and mean, whereas as Hermione's tends to be one of ironic munificence!) Yes, it can be darkly sarcastic at times: but really only in dark and dangerous moments. Harry likes a good laugh: he just does not get that many opportunities to have one.

Moreover, the most important thing here is to communicate story. For Harry+Ginny to mean anything to the story, the telling must communicate that Harry has easier choices than Ginny. If Harry comes across as indifferent to the flirtations of the other girls, then there is no obvious choice. (Yes, book readers might get it: but remember that book readers are a minority of the audience, and real hardcore fans much smaller still.) The movie cannot show Harry's thoughts, and glances do not cut it. The most sensible thing to do is adapt the existing scenes (e.g., Hermione & Harry in the library when Draco/Pince is spying upon them, or Harry's nearly asking Hermione for advice about Ginny, only to shy away.)

I agree. Harry does actually have a light sense of humor. It's why he laughs so much with the twins and one of the reasons he is attracted to Ginny. Ron has a much darker sense of humor.

The first time I watched the trailer, I thought this was slightly out of character for Harry. He was always surprised by the attention he gets from girls for being "The Chosen One" but he is never even slightly inclined to take them up on it. Rather, he's unnerved by Romilda's persistance. However, I agree with you. They have to make adjustments for the movie because we can't read Harry's mind in the films. We have to know that there are other pretty girls who are into Harry (so that Ginny isn't just the prettiest girl out there) and we have to know that Harry is making a real choice and that Ginny really is the perfect girl for him. We have to be shown because we can't see inside Harry's head.

Also, now that I think about it, it's really very similar to several of the conversations Hermione has with Harry about Romilda and the other fangirls. She's telling Harry that these girls are attracted to him because he's the Chosen One and that he has to be careful. So this was a very canon-Hermione moment, even if it's not completely true for Harry.

Oh my goodness! That international trailer has re-awakened my hopes for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, once more! The trailer was amazing and some of the parts of scenes that they showed us looked to be like they were in the book! I'm so excited! I really want this to come out now. I just hope that they have equal amounts of romance and action or more amounts of action than romance.

:lol: I was SO underwhelmed by the trailer! I kept thinking "hang on! I've seen this before.. what's new!?" and now after reading everyone's responses I realise I watched the first one again.. the link I used linked to the old trailer.

Ok now I've seen the new one and I'm still kind of underwhelmed. The bit with Hermione and Harry at the end does not fit the mood of the rest of it at all. If they want to do a funny, light and fluffy trailer fine but that one was mostly very dark. It didn't flow very well at all. And the voice over (not Dumbledore's) was terrible IMO. The bits with Harry/Dumbledore were very good but the rest... it just didn't fit in IMO.

I love the new trailer, the first was great, but good Lord, that was just amazing. A few random thoughts on it...

- The score in the first part before the logo is great, is it part of the new score or is it from something else?
- And the cliffs look fantastic.
- Dumbledore's hand was alot better than I expected, it looks... dead, which is exactly what it should be. I thought they would barely touch on that, but I'm glad they at least put their best effort on it.
- The cave scene... wow. It's going to be amazing. I can't think of much more to say. :lol:
- I love the shot of Harry running through the reeds, really great cinematography there.
- The burrow attack looks like it might actually be great, at least I think I'll love it even if some don't.


Blah, I have to go eat some dinner, I'll be back to give more reasons why I love this trailer so much. :D

ETA: Hasn't it been uploaded in HD quicktime yet?

The first time I watched the trailer, I thought this was slightly out of character for Harry. He was always surprised by the attention he gets from girls for being "The Chosen One" but he is never even slightly inclined to take them up on it.
There are two other things to recall. First, what happens in this scene in the book? Harry is making fun of Filch & Pince and their putative affair (which, it seems, was insightful!). OK, that's fine in the book: Rowling needed to draw attention to Pince's (putative!) presence; however, the movie probably will not bother with the long drawn out villain-explains-his-plans between Draco & Dumbledore. (At least I hope that it doesn't!) That obviates the need for using Pince: so, why not replace it with something that contributes to the story?

Second, the audience needs occasional reminder of the Chosen One. After all, Harry is (probably) going to use this as part of his straight flush against Sluggy later. A reminder that Harry is aware of his status as "Chosen One" and that he might not take it entirely seriously (not in terms of it being funny: but in terms of Harry finding the whole thing just a bit difficult to accept) is a good way to put this particular Chekhovian Gun on the wall again.

Also, now that I think about it, it's really very similar to several of the conversations Hermione has with Harry about Romilda and the other fangirls. She's telling Harry that these girls are attracted to him because he's the Chosen One and that he has to be careful. So this was a very canon-Hermione moment, even if it's not completely true for Harry.The most important thing is that the scene contribute to story: and if Harry does not give some indication that "Harrymania" is not such a bad thing, then the scene will not really do anything.

The alternative is to have Harry actually open up to Hermione about Ginny. (Remember, he seriously considers doing this in the book, and Hermione almost certainly was on to Harry anyway.)

From a purely cinematic point of view, I think that approach shown in the tailer is more effect. Both communicate story: but the "I am the chosen one" is humorous; Harry stammering about not wanting to take anyone because he's hankering for Ginny probably would be more uncomfortable than funny. The telling of a story must be entertaining, too: it might not be able to make a silk's purse of a sow's ear, but a poor telling can make a sow's ear of the silk purse. (See Columbus, Chris..... :cool:)

p.s.: nice sig!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

OMG!!! I LOVED IT!!!!!!!

*tries not to look to excited since roomate is right next to him*

Wow..that intro was GREAT. That shot of Dumbledore with the fire around him and the music cue with it was EPIC!

Loved the narration..looks like Gambon will finally show everyone how great a Dumbledore he is...like Yoshi his performance is what I'm looking forward the most.

Wow...what else...Burrow Attack...WOW..it just keeps getting BIGGER! :lol: Looks like it's going to be good....I can't wait to see it!

THE HAND!!!!!!!! I can't believe they showed it..I didn't want to see it yet but oh well :lol: Looks like it's almost decayed down to his bone *shudders*

I dunno...I'll write more once I can collect my thoughts :lol:

This was sooo random..I logged on not expecting this :lol: I liked the trailer though...the look of the film is great so far. That last scene is a bit random but it was funny so :tu:

originally posted by Phrozenone
Loved the narration..looks like Gambon will finally show everyone how great a Dumbledore he is...like Yoshi his performance is what I'm looking forward the most.

Oh, I hope so. I did like Gambon's narration...but that narrator that was not Gambon was really lame. "He's the only one with the key" or whatever it said. Really guys? :rolleyes:

originally posted by Wimsey
Second, the audience needs occasional reminder of the Chosen One. After all, Harry is (probably) going to use this as part of his straight flush against Sluggy later. A reminder that Harry is aware of his status as "Chosen One" and that he might not take it entirely seriously (not in terms of it being funny: but in terms of Harry finding the whole thing just a bit difficult to accept) is a good way to put this particular Chekhovian Gun on the wall again.


Excellent point. And this is especially true since the whole prophecy issue was barely dealt with in OotP. Fans of the book know what is going on, but there are so many movie-goers who are not hard core fans. They almost certainly, are not going to remember what the little, random, glass ball mumbled at Harry in the middle of an epic battle. And since we barely got any after story...:grumble:

The point is, they need to remind us about it.

originally posted by Wimsey
From a purely cinematic point of view, I think that approach shown in the tailer is more effect. Both communicate story: but the "I am the chosen one" is humorous; Harry stammering about not wanting to take anyone because he's hankering for Ginny probably would be more uncomfortable than funny. The telling of a story must be entertaining, too: it might not be able to make a silk's purse of a sow's ear, but a poor telling can make a sow's ear of the silk purse. (See Columbus, Chris..... )


Oh, I definitely agree. I like the addition. Whether I agree that it's true to canon-Harry or not (which I did, as I said, on the second time around), the telling of the story is what's most important here. They have to stay true to the message of the story, and if it means re-working scenes in order to tell the story better, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Like in OotP, at the end of the movie when Harry was possessed by Voldemort. That was, IMO, very effective. All the images from the past few movies, and Harry's realization of what made him different from Voldemort and that he didn't have to do everything alone was a very effective bit of story-telling. Of course, we avid fans know that this is a realization that takes Harry quite a bit longer to make. He doesn't understand the imporatance of his ability to love until HBP, and he certainly never gets over his desire to do things alone. But, it was still a great way to tell the story and totally in tune with JKR's masterpiece.

I really like the trailer. :)

Harry's line calling Severus a coward ... of course it's excellent that the line is in, but it will make me feel so sad. :sigh: (I'll feel like yelling from my seat, "OH NO, HE'S NOT!" And you'll find that out eventually, Harry.)

I know! Aww! Snape to me is one of the most fascinating...not necessarily my favorite as it's hard not to sympathize with his victims, but still, his story is so incredibly sad! I've always argued that his story is the most tragic out of any of them. :sigh:

I feel the pain of the H/G fans. I actually thought that was the H/G kiss, before I realised it was Lav-Lav and Won.

There was one shining moment where I thought so too...and then all hope was dashed and my soul ripped to shreads. I feel similatneously hyper about the movie coming about and ready to never ever watch it while I seethe in burning hatred against the idea of cutting the one thing I was literally living to see in this movie. Of course I'll see it, but I never recover from my sadness...it's a love-hate thing right now.:p




I very much like your observations on Book Harry, and love your description of him as "an introverted little orphan boy who knows he's doomed."

But I wasn't too bothered by Harry's scene with Hermione at the end ... I thought it was cute. :p Rowling has an impish sense of humour in her books and I don't see why the films shouldn't have some fun with her characters. :)

And, to be honest, you really can't tell that much from a trailer.


You know what, you're right. To be honest, I think I was mostly just outputting more anger in the lack of H/G and furious that Harry would even look at Romilda when he should be so plainly smitten by Ginny. :rolleyes: But I do still think it's out of character, but now that I've had some time to calm down a bit, I'm really fine with it--it's their own interpretation on the books. :) And I did think it the Hermione smacking him in the head was funny, although book Hermione propably wouldn't have been so bold.:p



This is a major misreading of Harry. Indeed, it is very relevant here: what seems to draw Harry to Ginny is Ginny's sense of humor, which tends to be flippant and like Harry's own. (In contrast, Ron's sense of humor tends to be dark and mean, whereas as Hermione's tends to be one of ironic munificence!) Yes, it can be darkly sarcastic at times: but really only in dark and dangerous moments. Harry likes a good laugh: he just does not get that many opportunities to have one.

Hmm, a very interesting opinion (forgive me for disagreeing that my opinion is a "serious misreading" because I had no intention of forcing fact upon anyone:tu:, just stating the way I read and what I draw from it and I likewise respect how you read and what you draw from it:)) and I do agree partially with your take on it, Hermione for example. I have a very long continued explanation, but save people the task of looking at it who don't want to, I put it in a collapsible box:

I also agree that Harry is draw to Ginny's humor because they're similar, but I happen to think that Ginny's is a little dark too in that respect. It's not so much the words that I mean, because really they all share much the same sort of jokes and in that way Harry and Ron really joke about the same things too--but it's sort of the undertone to the humor that I'm referring to and that separates Harry and Ginny from the others. Ron jokes just because it's his nature but Ginny and Harry both seem to convey silent messages in their sarcasm--they're both characters that keep their deepest secrets far, far away from public eyes and I think a lot of the darkness they've both seen and that they both understand or don't understand, fuels some of their cynicism.

I didn't mean to say that Harry as a "dark character" is an absolute--more that it's his core even though he might not always realize it--it's what he reverts to in his most emotional times. Sort of his deepest definition.

I don't really agree about Ron though, but that's just really a difference of opinion and interpretation. To me Ron is the one who's far more ridiculous and jovial, even when his words are dark, the underlying feeling behind them is comical and genuine. He's cynical yes, but to me Ron is rather naive about how dark the world really can be compared to Harry and even to Ginny, and his core is really a very bright center, shadowed only by the burning desire to have some limelight that can be his own. His humor is quirky and rather vulgar, cynical purely because it's funny, not because he really had a dark core (mind I do agree that he certainly has a dark side, but again, that's not his deepest core)--he's a typical teenage boy.

I still hold to my opinion though that Harry's core is very dark, and while that does not define him because his choices beg the differ, it does really keep him from ever being that "typical teenager" that Ron is closer to. It's a very slight contrast that I see in that last scene (yeah, somehow I'm still talking about the trailer...:p) and mostly it's all in Dan's acting that I think I found the trouble--but he's a great actor and he's also entitled to his interpretation of Harry too just like you and I. To me the lines and situation would work, but instead Harry would have to be staring much more seriously at Romilda and when Ron Hermione snaps in his face, kind of start and look baleful with a sort of "it doesn't matter anyway" kind of look in his eyes. And when Hermione says "she only likes you because she thinks you're the chosen one" he'd kind of have to give a dismissive shrug and give the line with a sort of indifference and that same smirk, "I am the Chosen One" and then just kind of be done with it.

Yes, I was being that particular.

But like I said above, now that I've gotten over my initial "lack-of-harry-ginny-kiss" anger, I've come to my senses and I'm really fine with the whole scene. :p I still think it's out of character as far as the books go, but then that's never stopped me from enjoying a movie before. :)

Moreover, the most important thing here is to communicate story. For Harry+Ginny to mean anything to the story, the telling must communicate that Harry has easier choices than Ginny. If Harry comes across as indifferent to the flirtations of the other girls, then there is no obvious choice. (Yes, book readers might get it: but remember that book readers are a minority of the audience, and real hardcore fans much smaller still.) The movie cannot show Harry's thoughts, and glances do not cut it. The most sensible thing to do is adapt the existing scenes (e.g., Hermione & Harry in the library when Draco/Pince is spying upon them, or Harry's nearly asking Hermione for advice about Ginny, only to shy away.)

I definately agree with this, I don't know what I said before that made it appear I didn't think the choices matter. I definately do! That's really my whole point, that Harry's core is very dark because of what he's been through, but even so it doesn't define him because he chooses differently. The situation wasn't what bothered me. I'm fine with the whole thing now, but what bothered me before was just the way Harry reacted. I definately think he'd contemplate other options, afterall this is before he's with Ginny, but to me, my interpretation of Harry would never have that light-hearted feel behind his contemplations. If you can't already tell, I look ridiculously deep into ever nuance of everything :p, and what to me Harry's actions lacked his little dark-tinge that should always be there--even in the movies. It's not a big deal, no one would notice, but it's something that immediately struck me. The Harry I see would have looked at Romilda, been a little embarrassed that she was so madly in love with him, played with thoughts like "she's kind of cute" etc. only in his head and very cautiously at that, and had a constant stream of "but I'm going to die" and "I'd just be a danger" and "it can never happen" and a thousand other typical bitter Harryisms rolling through his mind. I just notice things like that, the lack of the underlying tinge struck me. :rolleyes:

I just realized what a freak I am (yet again) through this whole, long winded explanation.:p

I'm sorry you had to see that Whimsey!:whistle:

The "lost boys" aspect really is not relevant to this particular story. What is important, moreover, is not the parallel between protagonist and antagonist, but the difference. For Voldemort, the easy choice is always "me." He chooses other people to be in his life only when it is convenient to use them; in a sense, all of his apparent choices of someone else really are subterfuges for choosing himself alone.

Harry, in contrast, chooses to include different people in his life. This story is about how/why Harry makes those decisions: i.e., personal politics.

Oh definately! I agree, it saddens me that the movie can't make more of the Lost Boys Parallels, but I definately agree that it's long ago been axed. :)

That's again the point I was trying to make as well, it's the differences between them that are important, but that's already a given. What I found was that the lack of comparison made it impossible to appreciate the differences. Afterall, a shining young boy who's full of joy and teenage lust for life is of course going to appear the hero against a vile, evil man bent on destroying all things good. But that difference has little significance when compared to the same boy and the same man who share the same, horrible childhood of orphancy, hate, despair and lack of love--that's when the differences take on a much more interesting meaning. :) I just love that. It's one of my favorite things in Harry Potter, because Harry is not a happy, perfect, talented young lad who's heir to a throne and raised with a sense of justice and truth---he's just like Voldemort and just like Snape in his childhood, but his choices make him a hero because he doesn't act on the dark.

Oooh, that just makes me all tingly inside. I love it!:cool:

But yeah, in the movie it means nothing. They killed that whol plot a long time ago and it was officially non-recoverable when they axed Snape's plot in movie five. Alas... :sigh:

Now, romance is a part of this. To communicate this, the film must show that Harry has easier choices than Ginny: and it has to make it clear that there is a choice involved here. Harry could take up with Ramilda, just as Harry could take up with Scrimmy or could take advantage of Sluggy's old-boys' network, etc. The audience has to think that these are appealing alternatives: otherwise, the film will simply show events and not tell Rowling's story.

Agreed. Definately. Right on.

But I still think, Harry's reaction was out of character :p...

The ending was great - but I liked the first trailer much better - this one was a bit too fragmented for me - you are left thinking, Huh? However, the scenes were dynamic and explosive, which is exciting to watch and from that aspect it was a great trailer. But honestly, the first one made me actually want to see the movie rather than wait for the DVD like I have the last 5 movies. This one...meh, I'd await the DVD. So it is good they are doing various ones.

Yeah, I'm beginning to feel that way too, wwb, although I'm fortunate to have the obtion of a second-run movie theater in my neighborhood . . . $1 i/o $7.50.