The All-Inclusive HBP Thread, v.12

I must say that this trailer was very random in its arrival - I actually decided to stay in bed a little longer cos I had no need to get up :lol:

I am thinking someone leaked this when it was meant to be on the shelve till January (hence the "this year") - it would have been made in July before the delay though and delayed until the "this year" would make sense :lol: But as it was sitting in the waiting box, someone leaked it (THANKYOU! :p)

The 3rd and final part of Rachel's interview, which I'm sure you've all been waiting for (:p)...

...has now been uploaded for your listening pleasure! :cool:

http://princewatch.mypodcast.com/2008/10/Episode_5_Everyone_Wets_Thems%20elves_Including_th e_Final_Part_PrinceWatchs_Exclusive_Interview_with _R%20achezee-154034.html

Awesome trailer! I'm so excited about the "COWARD!" line! But it seems like the trailer is a little incomplete. "I can't help you this time but I'll....."

Also, the 'This year' subtitle got me really excited, but then I found out that this trailer was LEAKED and not officially released. Oh well.

Everyone has pretty much summed up my feeling already.

Good to hear Wimsey that plots A,B,C and D are all well-represented in this one minute! :tu: :p

Someone just asked for a HD version. I have one but it's in avi formatt and I'm having trouble converting to wmv... driving me bonkers..

Do a web search for online file converters. They upload your file, convert it and you download it again. Takes a few minutes but it works.

Does anyone know where the music from the first part of the trailer is from?

I don't have a problem with the joke made at the end of the trailer. It wasn't out of character for Harry to say that. I could imagine him making jokes like that. Meh, I don't see how it's "arrogant" of him to say that because he was just joking.

My problem is the placement of the clip. The OotP theatrical trailer had jokes in it yet it was dark overall. This clip, on the other hand, came out of nowhere and it surprised me. I'm not mad about it, I just noted that it felt out of place.

I wonder if WB is going to do anything. This trailer is either something that was never intended to be released or something that would be released, but presumably in the beginning of 2008.

I don't have a problem with the joke made at the end of the trailer. It wasn't out of character for Harry to say that. I could imagine him making jokes like that. Meh, I don't see how it's "arrogant" of him to say that because he was just joking.

I meant that it would sound arrogant of him if he wasn't joking, for example if he was just covering for his behavior with that comment. It might work fine within the context of the film, and I do think it's funny. It was just between the flirting with the waitress and this comment it kind of made me worry about Harry being a bit OOC. However, someone upthread made a comment about how they would have to show a lot more in this film because we aren't privy to Harry's thoughts. So in that sense it does work just fine. :)


My problem is the placement of the clip. The OotP theatrical trailer had jokes in it yet it was dark overall. This clip, on the other hand, came out of nowhere and it surprised me. I'm not mad about it, I just noted that it felt out of place.

I liked it. Other trailers have used a similar "tacked on at the end" technique. It's just outside of the norm for HP. I think it worked, personally. Then again, I like these types of things in general. :)

I meant that it would sound arrogant of him if he wasn't joking, for example if he was just covering for his behavior with that comment. It might work fine within the context of the film, and I do think it's funny. It was just between the flirting with the waitress and this comment it kind of made me worry about Harry being a bit OOC. However, someone upthread made a comment about how they would have to show a lot more in this film because we aren't privy to Harry's thoughts. So in that sense it does work just fine. :)

JKR said he had a fault of arrogance. He isn't perfect, which is what makes him a cool dude. :tu:.

I liked it. Other trailers have used a similar "tacked on at the end" technique. It's just outside of the norm for HP. I think it worked, personally. Then again, I like these types of things in general. :)

I agree it worked. I felt like it was necessary to ensure the audience that the humor in the movies would remain. Just like the Ron/Lav scene and the Quidditch game helped to show that it wasn't going to be a pure dark lord festival. :lol:.

I thought the last bit was funny, though I'm not sure how in character it is for Harry...

I really liked the trailer. The last bit had be laughing; I dunno about being in character for Harry, but for once the acting felt completely natural from Dan.

I thought it was hilarious. I don't think it's trying to show him seriously interested in Romilda. But Film!Romilda is quite good-looking...I think this is supposed to be Harry's hormones being interested. Like he canit quite help gawking at the cure girl who is pursuing him, even though he's actually inetrested in Ginny. :)

I agree. And the acting seemed natural; Hermione's in character, and I mean, obviously Harry isn't going to go for Romilda! Ron will eat the chocolates. Harry's just a red blooded, single male, who's getting checked out. I quite like that part.

I really liked the trailer. The last bit had be laughing; I dunno about being in character for Harry, but for once the acting felt completely natural from Dan.



I agree. And the acting seemed natural; Hermione's in character, and I mean, obviously Harry isn't going to go for Romilda! Ron will eat the chocolates. Harry's just a red blooded, single male, who's getting checked out. I quite like that part.What did you think of the rest of the trailer? I've just been wondering what you thought of it. :D

I don't have a problem with the joke made at the end of the trailer. It wasn't out of character for Harry to say that. I could imagine him making jokes like that. Meh, I don't see how it's "arrogant" of him to say that because he was just joking.

My problem is the placement of the clip. The OotP theatrical trailer had jokes in it yet it was dark overall. This clip, on the other hand, came out of nowhere and it surprised me. I'm not mad about it, I just noted that it felt out of place.

I wonder if WB is going to do anything. This trailer is either something that was never intended to be released or something that would be released, but presumably in the beginning of 2008.

I actually liked the placement. I have no idea why, but it made me happy and I liked the trailer more because of it. And if I'm the demographic, being a teenager with a group of friends who loves seeing movies in the summer, than that's a good thing :D.

I also could see Harry saying that. At first I just really liked the line at the end; now I'm growing to love it. It's got multiplicity: a myriad of purposes. I like killing multiple birds with one stone, especially if that one stone is well acted and gets some laughs.

What did you think of the rest of the trailer? I've just been wondering what you thought of it. :D

Oh, I really liked it. It's almost three in the morning here, so you might want to ask me again tomorrow, but... well, these are some of my specifics:

I loved the ocean shot at the beginning, though I felt the actual footage seemed to belong in another movie. It was beautiful, but I think it'll be better in context. At least, I hope. Dumbledore's hand was underwhelming. Eh; that's okay. I don't mind. I loved Dumbledore's voiceover., however Thought it sounded less gruff than usual, though its weight remains. Luckily, since Dumbledore is going to die, I see the need for some heaviness.

The apparating was definitely awesome. I liked how it led to quidditch, though I'm not quite sure what purpose quidditch serves if it's not being used to help Harry and Ginny develop a romantic bond. I hated that Lav and Ron got Ginny and Harry's kiss, but I'm not going to judge yet... the H/G plotline hasn't really been introduced in the trailers, so maybe their new kiss will work better for the story arc that Kloves is developing for the last three movies.

I thought Rupert was great as the bewildered, and Lav (though she shouldn't be in the movie...) was good at being randomly ditzy. At first I thought the fire looked very fake, but I love it in your signature. I wish we could've seen inferi. I think Snape was made of pure awesome. I wish Luna was stuck in someplace, but it was fine without her presence.

Draco was uber cool. Harry's lines to Snape were mad sweet. I really, really liked the trailer, and it made me excited for the movie, which equals bad. The higher my hopes go up, the worse I'm going to take it if the movie bombs. And frankly, I don't trust Yates to make it not bomb.

.. oh! And Greyback didn't look like a werewolf when I saw him, but if we don't introduce him as one, than I guess it isn't important. And! I love Helena Bonham Carter... though after I saw the Mel Gibson version of Hamlet in my AP English class, I think her perfect rendition of Ophelia is making it harder for HBC to do wrong in my eyes. She could give Harry a cookie, and I'd still be like, "see?! that's talent!"

Someone mentioned earlier that the ending was too 'romatic comedy', but as you point out, with all the chilling scenes, one might imagine that the movies are going totally dark, so I think having that ending was a very good idea to let people know that the humor JKR infused in the actual books is still present in the movies. As for Harry's line, I thought it was great and I think it correct at the time, so I would jump up and cheer, yes! quite correct! :lol:. But all will see that distinctly I imagine.

As someone else already said - in the books, we have introspection in Harry's character via the narration, while the movie just shows him. And I think it's important on several layers that Harry comes across as the normal kid. A) because that's what he IS in the books, B) if they don't emphasise this in the film, people won't care that much for him. As an example I'd like to point out Frodo. I don't know a single non-reader of LotR who actually liked Frodo in the film, and it has everything to do with him being that fate-stricken, gloomy-all-the-time-looking guy whose only reason to live seems to be that bloody mission. Yes, FotR had some scenes in the Shire, showing Frodo's "real" life, but by the time of TT we had forgotten this and by RotK, it was virtually unfeelable. Sam, Merry, Pippin - those felt like characters that are alive, real people who stumbled into a bad situation, people I kept on crossing my fingers for. Frodo was just - blah. And this really mustn't happen to Chosen Harry, he must seem (in MY opinion, anyway) like a normal boy with all the normal troubles of puberty, and ON TOP he's chosen to fight Voldemort.

This would, I believe, correspond with Wimsey's interpretation of 'personal politics' AND the books. While Harry IS that normal boy with normal problems (in the book, one of his major concerns is the bloody Quidditch, a plain and simple sports event!), he's somewhat pushed into the dilemma (and I remember Dumbledore's and Harry's conversation about the difference between being pushed, and stepping onto the scene himself) and has to CHOOSE to take up the challenge.

And it's good to keep on reminding the audience of this duality, it makes for a more interesting, likeable protagonist.


(ETA: I think I transformed momentarily into YODA while I wrote that last sentence...:rotfl:)

I hope it was only on the level of syntax, and not some mysteriously sprouting pointy green ears etc...? ;)


I really liked the trailer. The last bit had be laughing; I dunno about being in character for Harry, but for once the acting felt completely natural from Dan.

I would imagine that real-life Dan Radcliffe actually KNOWS the problem, inside out. ;) He's the most famous kid in the world. I'd fancy that most of the love letters he's receiving aren't rooted in him being such a delightful person, but as coming from complete strangers who only see the movie star that's acting as Harry Potter.

I know! Aww! Snape to me is one of the most fascinating...not necessarily my favorite as it's hard not to sympathize with his victims, but still, his story is so incredibly sad! I've always argued that his story is the most tragic out of any of them. :sigh:

No argument from me on that one. :p (My other nominee for the most tragic would be Sirius).

There was one shining moment where I thought so too...and then all hope was dashed and my soul ripped to shreads. I feel similatneously hyper about the movie coming about and ready to never ever watch it while I seethe in burning hatred against the idea of cutting the one thing I was literally living to see in this movie. Of course I'll see it, but I never recover from my sadness...it's a love-hate thing right now.:p

I'm not a great fan of the H/G romance as Rowling writes it, but actually I share your disappointment. It would have been really nice to see sweet little Film Ginny fling herself into Harry's arms in front of the cheering Gryffindors and give him a resounding snog. ;) Well, I just hope the first Harry/Ginny kiss is worth it, even though it may not be in front of a bunch of cheering Gryffindors.

And I did think it the Hermione smacking him in the head was funny, although book Hermione propably wouldn't have been so bold.:p

Oh, I dunno. This is the girl who attacked poor Ron with a flock of magical birds! :wow: :lol: So our Hermione is quite capable of violence against men on occasion. :whistle:

The Harry I see would have looked at Romilda, been a little embarrassed that she was so madly in love with him, played with thoughts like "she's kind of cute" etc. only in his head and very cautiously at that, and had a constant stream of "but I'm going to die" and "I'd just be a danger" and "it can never happen" and a thousand other typical bitter Harryisms rolling through his mind.

You're so right. Harry is so prone to cheerful thoughts of that kind. :lol: Hardly surprising, given his history and his destiny. :sigh:

That's again the point I was trying to make as well, it's the differences between them that are important, but that's already a given. What I found was that the lack of comparison made it impossible to appreciate the differences. Afterall, a shining young boy who's full of joy and teenage lust for life is of course going to appear the hero against a vile, evil man bent on destroying all things good. But that difference has little significance when compared to the same boy and the same man who share the same, horrible childhood of orphancy, hate, despair and lack of love--that's when the differences take on a much more interesting meaning. :) I just love that. It's one of my favorite things in Harry Potter, because Harry is not a happy, perfect, talented young lad who's heir to a throne and raised with a sense of justice and truth---he's just like Voldemort and just like Snape in his childhood, but his choices make him a hero because he doesn't act on the dark.

Fantastic insights. :tu: Harry's saga is really very dark, which is why I am so forgiving about JKR's patches of lightness, and even the Epilogue. :lol: Which I'm far from hating, btw. :)

As someone else already said - in the books, we have introspection in Harry's character via the narration, while the movie just shows him. And I think it's important on several layers that Harry comes across as the normal kid. A) because that's what he IS in the books, B) if they don't emphasise this in the film, people won't care that much for him. As an example I'd like to point out Frodo. I don't know a single non-reader of LotR who actually liked Frodo in the film, and it has everything to do with him being that fate-stricken, gloomy-all-the-time-looking guy whose only reason to live seems to be that bloody mission.

:rotfl:

Frodo was just - blah.

:sad: Frodo is my favourite character in the book ... sob. (Plus Faramir.)

And this really mustn't happen to Chosen Harry, he must seem (in MY opinion, anyway) like a normal boy with all the normal troubles of puberty, and ON TOP he's chosen to fight Voldemort.

Very good thoughts, Fleur. I totally agree. :tu: It's why Harry works so well for me as a hero. Above all it's Harry's ordinariness I adore, far more than I adore his 'messiah-status', because it contrasts so well with his frightening and overwhelming destiny.

And it's good to keep on reminding the audience of this duality, it makes for a more interesting, likeable protagonist.

Yup. :agree:

I thought the trailer was great. My favourite part was of course the Lav-Lav kiss and I was also really entertained by the Harry and Hermione scene at the end. Hermione was so in character it made me realize how much I love Hermione. Dan was actually Dan in that part and not Harry but it worked for me. Gambon seems to be making a great Dumbledore in this movie at last so that's quite exciting. The Burrow scene also looks like it's going to be fantastic. I don't remember what the persons that saw the movies thought about that scene but it looks super in the trailer.

I was upset that they gave the Harry/Ginny kiss to Ron/Lav Lav but since I like Ron in the movies a whole lot more than I like Harry or Ginny in the movies, I'll take it. :D

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/cgold100/Lavlavwonwonkiss.gif

Cheers :tu:

:lol: @ Nigel in the background of that kissing scene. He's baaackkkkk :lol::lol::lol:

The design of that scene looks great. What's with the hammer? :lol:

And that boy on the far left, isn't he going "Weasley"?

Strange note: the fans are still in their Gryffindor colours, but Ron's found time to change gear lol.

:lol: @ Nigel in the background of that kissing scene. He's baaackkkkk :lol::lol::lol:

I love Nigel. :p

Although, as he is so clearly the Colin Creevey substitute, I will never quite understand why they couldn't use Colin's character. :lol: Because the kid who played him was great. :rotfl:

I have to say, I do really like the Won/Lav kiss, it looks like such a great scene. ;)

It's just an excellent tease for the audience, isn't it? :) It only adds to the poignancy of Hermione and Ron getting it together in the end. Hurdles to true love and all that. :D

The apparating was definitely awesome. I liked how it led to quidditch, though I'm not quite sure what purpose quidditch serves if it's not being used to help Harry and Ginny develop a romantic bond.

The game included is one of the earlier ones, it seems. So it would lead to the Harry/Ginny kiss only if they totally redid that romance. We do know they are including the romance, because Ginny is having problems with Dean, and Ginny and Harry kiss towards the end of the movie (afetr the Sectumsempra scene, so very much when it happened in the books). It is possible that QUidditch still does serve that romance, while also moving along Lav Lav/Won Won, or serves one of the other plots. (Is Draco missing? Is the Felix potion used?)

I love the trailer! I'm still a bit concerned with how it appears they're handling Harry in terms of him dealing with girls and such, but overall, the movie looks really, really good so far. :tu:

As someone else already said - in the books, we have introspection in Harry's character via the narration, while the movie just shows him. And I think it's important on several layers that Harry comes across as the normal kid. A) because that's what he IS in the books, B) if they don't emphasise this in the film, people won't care that much for him.

I would have to disagree with that because Harry really is not a normal boy in the books. He is an abused child who was thrust into this massive destiny with little to no control over anything that happened to him. He was emotionally stunted and traumatized by the events of his childhood. Where most boys would be flattered and enjoy the fact that the majority of the girls in school had a crush on them, Harry was annoyed and irritated by that because he didn't know how to deal with it. He didn't have any adults talking to him about the normal things that happen to teenagers - body changes, having crushes on girls, etc... All the adults in his life were focused on dealing with this huge destiny that had been forced on him - except for the Dursleys who just ignored and neglected him for the most part.

That's what the story is about - this young boy who is basically forced into these extraordinary circumstances by the actions of the adults around him. Voldemort's actions activate the prophecy and his continued determination to kill Harry ensure that Harry will end up fighting to the death no matter what he does. Dumbledore's actions force Harry into an abusive home and result in him being emotionally stunted in his development. And so on and so forth. In the end, we see that Harry was essentially manipulated and forced into these situations with little to no control over what happened to him. It was the choices of everyone around Harry that had the most impact on his life - not his own choices. For Harry personal politics and choices were essentially irrelevant because he was constantly being manipulated and put in situations beyond his control by other people's choices. He wasn't a normal boy and he couldn't have a normal life until he had dealt with the destiny forced on him by other people.

I would imagine that real-life Dan Radcliffe actually KNOWS the problem, inside out. ;) He's the most famous kid in the world. I'd fancy that most of the love letters he's receiving aren't rooted in him being such a delightful person, but as coming from complete strangers who only see the movie star that's acting as Harry Potter.

I think that's what stands out though - because Dan Radcliffe is not Harry Potter. He doesn't have an evil Dark Wizard constantly trying to kill him or a seemingly benevolent mentor manipulating situations in his life. He is not emotionally stunted and, for all intents and purposes, a normal boy. Dan Radcliffe would be flattered by a girl being interested in him for whatever reason - i.e. the "towel girl" that he's talked about in interviews. Harry Potter would not - he was annoyed, embarrassed, and frustrated because the only reason those girls liked him was the fact that he was "the chosen one". So Dan's behavior in that scene from the trailer is more appropriate for him - it's rather out of character for Harry.

In the end, we see that Harry was essentially manipulated and forced into these situations with little to no control over what happened to him. It was the choices of everyone around Harry that had the most impact on his life - not his own choices.

Well, I would dispute that a little. :) I'm not denying the effect that Harry's traumatic past and upbringing had on him, or the extent to which Dumbledore manipulated him, but in DH we definitely see Harry making some significant choices. E.g. he didn't have to approach the dying Snape -- but he did. And although he didn't appear to have much choice about the Final Plan (i.e. being killed by Voldemort) he was prepared to go through with it. And in the final showdown with Voldemort, we very much see him taking control of the situation. But I guess any more Harry analysis belongs in his own thread. :whistle: :)

So Dan's behavior in that scene from the trailer is more appropriate for him - it's rather out of character for Harry.

I like Dan as Harry, so have no substantive quarrel with the portrayal of Film Harry, but I see what you're saying ... a darker take on Harry on the films would have been quite interesting.

I like Dan as Harry, so have no substantive quarrel with the portrayal of Film Harry, but I see what you're saying ... a darker take on Harry on the films would have been quite interesting.

... interesting idea..... but then, I can't quite see any child/teenage actor pulling this off over so many films and years. They had to start somewhere, and I think the progression of Harry growing up has been fairly consistent within the films (even if it's not exactly the same progression as in the books).

Moreover, a lot of 'dark' Harry is actually in his head - OotP is the book where externalised his bitter internal struggles more than in all the other stories (and I still love OotP for exactly this - I think it had to happen). However, in the films it is very difficult to express all this when you can't really let your audience listen in on the inner monologue that's going on in Harry's head.... Although I like angry OotP Harry, I think an attempt to actually show this on film would almost certainly have been disastrous.

All in all, we are therefore mostly stuck with watching Harry's exterior personality, which (not counting OotP) is actually reasonably cheerful, as far as I can tell - at least when he isn't in yet another perilous situation..... and of course at times he tells his friends how he is feeling (but most of the time he only wishes he could make himself tell them, and bottles it all up).

I am curious how they are going to develop Harry in the last three movies, actually. it's quite clear that Dan Radcliffe is definitely capable of doing very dark and serious stuff (it can't get much more dark/serious than Shaffer's Equus). I am curious whether they are going to use this, and how they are going to ensure some sort of continuity of character.

I guess we'll be able to tell a lot more once we have seen what Harry is like in HBP.

I would have to disagree with that because Harry really is not a normal boy in the books. He is an abused child who was thrust into this massive destiny with little to no control over anything that happened to him. He was emotionally stunted and traumatized by the events of his childhood. Where most boys would be flattered and enjoy the fact that the majority of the girls in school had a crush on them, Harry was annoyed and irritated by that because he didn't know how to deal with it. He didn't have any adults talking to him about the normal things that happen to teenagers - body changes, having crushes on girls, etc... All the adults in his life were focused on dealing with this huge destiny that had been forced on him - except for the Dursleys who just ignored and neglected him for the most part.

That's what the story is about - this young boy who is basically forced into these extraordinary circumstances by the actions of the adults around him. Voldemort's actions activate the prophecy and his continued determination to kill Harry ensure that Harry will end up fighting to the death no matter what he does. Dumbledore's actions force Harry into an abusive home and result in him being emotionally stunted in his development. And so on and so forth. In the end, we see that Harry was essentially manipulated and forced into these situations with little to no control over what happened to him. It was the choices of everyone around Harry that had the most impact on his life - not his own choices. For Harry personal politics and choices were essentially irrelevant because he was constantly being manipulated and put in situations beyond his control by other people's choices. He wasn't a normal boy and he couldn't have a normal life until he had dealt with the destiny forced on him by other people.

I suppose my own view lies somewhere in between yours and Fleurs. I agree Harry in the books was the kid you describe forced into a world and circumstances beyond his control - and manipulated and such. But the book certainly didn't play out like that. Where we might expect a shy, insecure, nervous and completely introverted kid, cowed by all assualts (verbal and otherwise), we didn't get that at all. First thing he does is turn wildly on the Dursleys (his tormentors for life) and tell them off for lying to him, with all the arrogance and impertinence of a secure and forthright person. He then goes on to stand up to Draco, Snape and Hermione in turn, and his POV is filled with normalcy for an 11 year old, in my view.

Nothing changed either - he only got more and more this way throughout the series - and only in certain respects (girls, evil, missing his parents, etc.) did he ever come across as the least bit insecure - but so did Ron. And even with his moments of insecurity, Harry battled it and won everytime - approaching girls for the dance, approaching Cho and finally kissing Ginny in front of a crowd full of people like some Don Juan, Cassanova. :lol:.

So I think JKR was attempting to show that in the world of magic - one's parents and the behaviors they would have instilled - can actually be connected with by their orphans. Neville did it as well, albeit a little slower. Because there is no way one can say that Harry was like the Dursleys - and no way one can say he was the "classic abused child" in his actions and behavior. Instead we got the slightly arrogant, impertinent, rule breaking, mischievous, kind-hearted, compassionate, fair-minded boy that was clearly a product of his parents, only silghtly under developed.

So I would say that in HBP, it is important to show his normalcy - and he indeed had grown into his own by then. That is when he grabbed and kissed Ginny; when he stood up to Snape and said 'you don't have to call me Sir', when he stood up to Dumbledore and argued to the brink of Dumbledore's personal rejection of him, where he started instigating fights with Draco (including the end of OOTP), where he paid A LOT less heed to his friends, despite their continued disdain at his plans. Harry really became his own man in many ways in that book and so I feel that the scene in the trailer is very accurate in depicting what he might have done at that time.

"But I am the chosen one" - the truth and Harry knows it, tempered by his natural humility and his knowledge that it does not make one "special" but rather "marked". Sure, there is a little arrogance in the statement, but that fits, as JKR indicated, it is his personality fault at times. But there is sincerity in that statement too because being the chosen one is absolutely horrible at times and if it has its benefits as well, why shouldn't he enjoy them? To me, he's only 1/2 kidding when he says "kidding" - because my goodness, if you are marked for death and go through all of the trauma and loss associated with being the chosen one; then later a girl is interested in you due to all of that - should you deny the truth? Humility has its boundaries too and the line between being humble and lying to yourself is a thin one, imo.

All that to say, I feel the scene is perfect and I am very glad they included it in the trailer so people understand we are going to continue to have this well rounded kid. Harry is an anomoly - but as it turns out, so is Neville - and that is because of the phenomena in the wizard world that rests in a truth for them: those who love us, never really leave us. Neville's parents are hospitalized, but also reside in Neville's heart, in a special magical way that is quite beyond anything a Muggle would be able to understand or feel. It is the tendency of moviegoers to try to normalize the "feelings" of this sort into our own existence, but HP is simply not the same as the Muggle world in that regard, imo. Our other world contact is purely emotional based, whereas theirs has a physical element to it. And that is the Harry we have, imo (and ultimately the Neville). The movies have totally remained faithful to that idea so far, imo.

I think that's what stands out though - because Dan Radcliffe is not Harry Potter. He doesn't have an evil Dark Wizard constantly trying to kill him or a seemingly benevolent mentor manipulating situations in his life. He is not emotionally stunted and, for all intents and purposes, a normal boy. Dan Radcliffe would be flattered by a girl being interested in him for whatever reason - i.e. the "towel girl" that he's talked about in interviews. Harry Potter would not - he was annoyed, embarrassed, and frustrated because the only reason those girls liked him was the fact that he was "the chosen one". So Dan's behavior in that scene from the trailer is more appropriate for him - it's rather out of character for Harry.

I disagree because of what I said above. I think it is totally in character for Harry. I don't know anything much about Dan, so I can't speak to him; but I think he played the character there "spot on". ;)

JKR said he had a fault of arrogance. He isn't perfect, which is what makes him a cool dude. :tu:.

I didn't claim he was perfect, nor do I want him to be. :) As far as I remember Harry was never really that confident around girls and also had a lot of other things on his mind as well. Anyway, my worries are minor because it probably works fine in the context of the film. I think it's really funny and well acted so I'm cool with it.


I really liked the trailer. The last bit had be laughing; I dunno about being in character for Harry, but for once the acting felt completely natural from Dan.

While I think he has matured greatly over the course of the series I have to agree with you that it comes across as natural. Same is true for Emma. They pulled it off nicely. :)

Is Scrimgeour in this film? I've watched the international trailer and it sounds like one of his lines is in the film. Something about Harry being the chosen one.

Although I like angry OotP Harry, I think an attempt to actually show this on film would almost certainly have been disastrous.

I totally agree. :cool: We were shown just enough of Harry's anger in the OotP film, and I thought it was very well judged. Angry!Harry annoyed many book fans so I can't see him winning over many fans in the non-Potterite audience. ;)

For my part, when I reread OotP last autumn, I was very impressed with the book, and I totally sympathised with Harry's anger. Quite frankly, it was about time. :lol:

All in all, we are therefore mostly stuck with watching Harry's exterior personality, which (not counting OotP) is actually reasonably cheerful, as far as I can tell - at least when he isn't in yet another perilous situation.....

Yes. :) Rowling actually does make him very normal. :) And, to be honest, in a real-life situation, the abuse Harry suffered as a child would have resulted in a far more dysfunctional lad than Book Harry appears to be!

I am curious how they are going to develop Harry in the last three movies, actually. it's quite clear that Dan Radcliffe is definitely capable of doing very dark and serious stuff (it can't get much more dark/serious than Shaffer's Equus). I am curious whether they are going to use this, and how they are going to ensure some sort of continuity of character.

They should stretch Dan to the max. Having seen him on stage in Equus, believe me, he is capable of it. :tu:

I guess we'll be able to tell a lot more once we have seen what Harry is like in HBP.

*hopes for a dark, chilling end to the film and an awesome Flight of the Prince* :cool:

-EDIT-

... I think JKR was attempting to show that in the world of magic - one's parents and the behaviors they would have instilled - can actually be connected with by their orphans. Neville did it as well, albeit a little slower. Because there is no way one can say that Harry was like the Dursleys - and no way one can say he was the "classic abused child" in his actions and behavior.Instead we got the slightly arrogant, impertinent, rule breaking, mischievous, kind-hearted, compassionate, fair-minded boy that was clearly a product of his parents, only silghtly under developed.

Totally agree, Wicked. :agree: I would only add that Harry's horrible childhood, the trauma of his parents' murder, and his inheritance of his mother's nature also made him a more introverted character than James appeared to be (I do think he has a lot of James's characteristics, to be clear). Since my favourite hero/heroine is the introverted kind, Harry is my kind of hero!

Well, I would dispute that a little. :) I'm not denying the effect that Harry's traumatic past and upbringing had on him, or the extent to which Dumbledore manipulated him, but in DH we definitely see Harry making some significant choices. E.g. he didn't have to approach the dying Snape -- but he did. And although he didn't appear to have much choice about the Final Plan (i.e. being killed by Voldemort) he was prepared to go through with it. And in the final showdown with Voldemort, we very much see him taking control of the situation. But I guess any more Harry analysis belongs in his own thread. :whistle: :)

I think what stands out to me is the fact that, whatever Harry's choice was, someone else's choice was usually the deciding factor. As in the example you gave where Harry chose to approach Snape. That choice would have been meaningless without Snape choosing to give him those memories. In the end, it is not Harry's choice that matters there - it was Snape's.

And Harry was willing to do it - I agree with that. But my point was that he really didn't have any choice in the matter beyond how he did it. He was going to end up in a fight to the death with Voldemort no matter what choices he made. In the end, Harry's choices were only significant in that they showed the strength of his character in being able to come to terms with the fact that he had been manipulated and essentially forced into these situations by other people and accept the responsibility that had been thrust upon him.

I like Dan as Harry, so have no substantive quarrel with the portrayal of Film Harry, but I see what you're saying ... a darker take on Harry on the films would have been quite interesting.

Well, I do like Dan as Harry overall - he certainly looks the part and has done fairly well. I have yet to be impressed with his performance in emotional scenes, but I think he is improving and I admire his dedication because he does work hard.

I do think they have ignored the darker aspects of Harry's character - which is not just Dan, but the scripts as well. Like Harry's sense of humor - which is very dark. Harry doesn't make lighthearted jokes - he makes dark jokes about dying and such. It would have been nice if they had stayed accurate with that aspect of Harry's character, but it seems they are changing that and going against canon to make him more flirty and lighthearted.

I suppose my own view lies somewhere in between yours and Fleurs. I agree Harry in the books was the kid you describe forced into a world and circumstances beyond his control - and manipulated and such. But the book certainly didn't play out like that. Where we might expect a shy, insecure, nervous and completely introverted kid, cowed by all assualts (verbal and otherwise), we didn't get that at all. First thing he does is turn wildly on the Dursleys (his tormentors for life) and tell them off for lying to him, with all the arrogance and impertinence of a secure and forthright person. He then goes on to stand up to Draco, Snape and Hermione in turn, and his POV is filled with normalcy for an 11 year old, in my view.

Nothing changed either - he only got more and more this way throughout the series - and only in certain respects (girls, evil, missing his parents, etc.) did he ever come across as the least bit insecure - but so did Ron. And even with his moments of insecurity, Harry battled it and won everytime - approaching girls for the dance, approaching Cho and finally kissing Ginny in front of a crowd full of people like some Don Juan, Cassanova. :lol:.

So I think JKR was attempting to show that in the world of magic - one's parents and the behaviors they would have instilled - can actually be connected with by their orphans. Neville did it as well, albeit a little slower. Because there is no way one can say that Harry was like the Dursleys - and no way one can say he was the "classic abused child" in his actions and behavior. Instead we got the slightly arrogant, impertinent, rule breaking, mischievous, kind-hearted, compassionate, fair-minded boy that was clearly a product of his parents, only silghtly under developed.

So I would say that in HBP, it is important to show his normalcy - and he indeed had grown into his own by then. That is when he grabbed and kissed Ginny; when he stood up to Snape and said 'you don't have to call me Sir', when he stood up to Dumbledore and argued to the brink of Dumbledore's personal rejection of him, where he started instigating fights with Draco (including the end of OOTP), where he paid A LOT less heed to his friends, despite their continued disdain at his plans. Harry really became his own man in many ways in that book and so I feel that the scene in the trailer is very accurate in depicting what he might have done at that time.

"But I am the chosen one" - the truth and Harry knows it, tempered by his natural humility and his knowledge that it does not make one "special" but rather "marked". Sure, there is a little arrogance in the statement, but that fits, as JKR indicated, it is his personality fault at times. But there is sincerity in that statement too because being the chosen one is absolutely horrible at times and if it has its benefits as well, why shouldn't he enjoy them? To me, he's only 1/2 kidding when he says "kidding" - because my goodness, if you are marked for death and go through all of the trauma and loss associated with being the chosen one; then later a girl is interested in you due to all of that - should you deny the truth? Humility has its boundaries too and the line between being humble and lying to yourself is a thin one, imo.

All that to say, I feel the scene is perfect and I am very glad they included it in the trailer so people understand we are going to continue to have this well rounded kid. Harry is an anomoly - but as it turns out, so is Neville - and that is because of the phenomena in the wizard world that rests in a truth for them: those who love us, never really leave us. Neville's parents are hospitalized, but also reside in Neville's heart, in a special magical way that is quite beyond anything a Muggle would be able to understand or feel. It is the tendency of moviegoers to try to normalize the "feelings" of this sort into our own existence, but HP is simply not the same as the Muggle world in that regard, imo. Our other world contact is purely emotional based, whereas theirs has a physical element to it. And that is the Harry we have, imo (and ultimately the Neville). The movies have totally remained faithful to that idea so far, imo.



I disagree because of what I said above. I think it is totally in character for Harry. I don't know anything much about Dan, so I can't speak to him; but I think he played the character there "spot on". ;)

I see what you're saying, but I would still have to disagree because Harry was never flattered by any of that. All those girls chasing after him embarrassed and irritated him because he knew it was just because he was "the chosen one".

I never really saw Harry as "normal" because his thoughts are more mature than the average 11 year old because he was neglected and abused. What normal 11 year old restrains themselves from asking their relatives questions just to keep the peace? What normal 16 year old boy is irritated by lots of girls having a crush on him for whatever reason? The circumstances of his childhood and the unavoidable eventuality of a confrontation with Voldemort made Harry grow up way too fast so his thought processes were not those of a normal teenage boy. At the same time, that stunts his emotional development. And that was the point. Harry was not normal and could not be normal or have a normal life until the whole situation with Voldemort was dealt with.

Don't get me wrong, I think that little clip at the end of the trailer is cute and it will certainly be a humorous moment in the movie. But it's really not in character for Harry because he's not saying that he's the chosen one in regards to the complications. He's saying "but I am the chosen one" with the air of "why shouldn't girls like me because I'm famous" and that is what is out of character for Harry because he hated the fact that those girls only liked him because he was famous. Which would also go towards him checking Romilda out like that in the first place because Harry was annoyed by her behavior from the beginning and not in the least bit interested.

I think a lot of your analysis works really well - I just wonder how much of what we *know* about Harry isn't solely based on his thoughts which we are privileged to follow in the books.

I would say that lots of teenagers would avoid asking questions so as to not cause trouble - at least they'd ponder whether they shouldn't just leave it alone before doing it. And I'd say that quite a few would experience a complicated mixture of flattery and mortification if chased by many members of the other sex..... Not that I have had that experience - but even the admiration of one other individual atany give time would certainly not lead to simple enjoyment about the fact.... it still is a complicated mixture of all sorts of emotions, and for me at least that was MUCH worse when I was a teenager! In that respect, Harry's inner thoughts are actually very normal, I always thought - and that's why I agree with Pearl that he seems amazingly unscathed by the abuse he suffered as a child.

Yet, Harry is clearly not your normal teenager, but I'd say that a lot what we see emphasised in the books because we read his POV wouldn't be visible on the surface. I'd say that Harry wouldn't come across as *that* unusual when seen by other pupils (with the exception of intimate friends, some of the teachers and a few order members who knew a good dal more than most people).

Everyone has a 'public persona' different from their inner self, and in my experience (personal, and from observation), the difference between public persona (or several different ones, depending on context) and inner thoughts is often very big for teenagers - one of the really tricky aspects of being a teenager (at least that's what it felt like for me when I was one!). If anything is unusual about Harry it is how well he has himself under control ost of the time, how extremely well he polices his public persona (too well, in my opinion - he shouldn't have bottled it all up, and constantly thought that he didn;t want to bother others with his plight).

Anyway - in a film you inevitably get to see the public persona, with the inner self expressed through dialogue (and there aren't that many scenes where they have a good opportunity for this).

I thought that they handled this rather well, actually. At least in OotP I really loved those small moments where Harry's inner agony suddenly braks through the controlled surface. I think it showed the dilemma of the book charatcer very well, even if it couldn't show us the part of the personality for which the written word can give us a running commentary.

In HBP we should get a good chance to get more of this thing - we have a few scenes where Harry gets a chance to discuss things with DD, and I hope also with Hermione (and Ron, if he isn't too busy with Lavender)..... In any case, Dan has his job cut out for him, but I'd expect him to do a very good job with it. :)

hmmm, i don't know why, but when i saw the shot of everyone and McGonagall pointing her wand in the air, i NEVER thought for a moment this could be the tribute from Dumbledore, and for some reason i don't think that's what this scene is, i dont know what else it could be, but it just doesn't seem like this would be it, and i also sincerely hope they change the spell's effect.

It is what that scene is, yet I have no memory of the lightening bolt. I just remember them all raising their wands. It could be I have forgotten (always possible) but I think it more likely it was an effect either added later after the screening or removed before the screening but after this trailer was made.

I strongly suspect this trailer was made before the test screening I saw. Not just because of the wrong reference to it being released this year, but because of the exterior shot of the cave scene. The waters outside the cave were enormous, however they were still unfinished as many were pixelated. But I did not see those waves in the trailer.

As for the final scene of the trailer. I admit it does seem out of keeping with the theme of the rest of the trailer. But it was an enjoyable humorous moment. And I agree with Meesha that it is out of character for book Harry. That said, it was in keeping with the random humorous bits that J K Rowling has throughout her books.

And this movie was the first of them all that really did that well. There are numerous moments of humor interspersed with the dark moments. I have described many of them on Princewatch and in many of the reviews I posted, but my descriptions really do not do them justice. They were added in extremely clever and unexpected ways, just like the are in the books. (The book OOTP scene in the ministry with Ron saying "accio brain" keeps flashing in my thoughts as I write this).

Is Scrimgeour in this film? I've watched the international trailer and it sounds like one of his lines is in the film. Something about Harry being the chosen one.
He was confirmed cut long ago.

BTW, does anyone know who the white haired guy that walked behind Harry in the library in the last scene?

I see what you're saying, but I would still have to disagree because Harry was never flattered by any of that. All those girls chasing after him embarrassed and irritated him because he knew it was just because he was "the chosen one".

I simply don't recall any canon about that, I guess that is why I disagree. He was not overly flattered by the attention, but I don't recall aversion to it in the sense of being irritated. To me, he was no more embarassed than Ron, and neither boy knew how to act around girls - neither was a suave, debonaire type. They sat out of the dancing in GoF together. Ron wasn't raised in the way Harry was, it is just the way some dudes are. So I don't see Harry's behavior as out of the realm of normalcy in that way. Thus, I guess I would have to look at canon to know what you are referring to. That is why the comment in the trailer seems perfectly fitting to me. He didn't seem to be basking in the attention - only noting it like he did in the book. He never ran and hid from it, he just kept going because he didn't know how to deal with it exactly, but if someone had commented upon it, I see him answering just as he did in that scene.

I never really saw Harry as "normal" because his thoughts are more mature than the average 11 year old because he was neglected and abused. What normal 11 year old restrains themselves from asking their relatives questions just to keep the peace?

Again, I never noted this - he was 11 years old in character to me per the book - because Hermione and Ron were more mature in that light too (evil v. good).

What normal 16 year old boy is irritated by lots of girls having a crush on him for whatever reason?

Never saw this happening in canon.

The circumstances of his childhood and the unavoidable eventuality of a confrontation with Voldemort made Harry grow up way too fast so his thought processes were not those of a normal teenage boy. At the same time, that stunts his emotional development. And that was the point. Harry was not normal and could not be normal or have a normal life until the whole situation with Voldemort was dealt with.

I agree it did in ways, but not socially with girls - that is what I mentioned earlier. He was shy, but I simply don't recall him being irritated as if he "didn't like it". That to me rings completely untrue - which is why the scene works for me.

Don't get me wrong, I think that little clip at the end of the trailer is cute and it will certainly be a humorous moment in the movie. But it's really not in character for Harry because he's not saying that he's the chosen one in regards to the complications. He's saying "but I am the chosen one" with the air of "why shouldn't girls like me because I'm famous" and that is what is out of character for Harry because he hated the fact that those girls only liked him because he was famous. Which would also go towards him checking Romilda out like that in the first place because Harry was annoyed by her behavior from the beginning and not in the least bit interested.

I totally agree Harry didn't like the fact that people treated him differently because he was marked by Voldemort. But that is something else. I am talking about attention from girls in general (motivation aside) - he simply did not show irritation to me. The irritation he showed about what you are referring to dealt with everything to do with his life - a general notion - not specific to girls. And I think that is also a very normal reaction. But he took each thing on its own. With the minister, the basis of his being the chosen one was a complete bane to his existence. But for instance, when Cho showed some interest, he didn't think to himself (as far as I recall) "she only likes me because I am the chosen one". Nor when he noticed all the girls paying attention to him did he do more than realize their motivation - but he didn't get angry about it, imo. So to me, the scene is perfectly in character. :lol:.

What looked really cool about the new trailer was Bellatrix burning what looked to be Hagrid's house. I don't know, but it just looked so awesome. Even though I'm sure the battle is not going to be as big as it was in the book, I'm a bit more excited now to see it on the big screen. Did anyone see that little part where Snape was walking in what looked to be the great hall with Draco and the other Death Eaters behind him? That looks like it'll be a great scene as well.

I simply don't recall any canon about that, I guess that is why I disagree. He was not overly flattered by the attention, but I don't recall aversion to it in the sense of being irritated. To me, he was no more embarassed than Ron, and neither boy knew how to act around girls - neither was a suave, debonaire type. They sat out of the dancing in GoF together. Ron wasn't raised in the way Harry was, it is just the way some dudes are. So I don't see Harry's behavior as out of the realm of normalcy in that way. Thus, I guess I would have to look at canon to know what you are referring to. That is why the comment in the trailer seems perfectly fitting to me. He didn't seem to be basking in the attention - only noting it like he did in the book. He never ran and hid from it, he just kept going because he didn't know how to deal with it exactly, but if someone had commented upon it, I see him answering just as he did in that scene. There were lots of examples of Harry being irritated by this and it was especially noted in HBP. This was especially true for Romilda Vane. He wouldn't want her attention.
"Hi, Harry, I'm Romilda, Romilda Vane," she said loudly and confidently. "Why don't you join us in our compartment? You don't have to sit with them," she added in a stage whisper, indicating Neville's bottom, which was sticking out from under the seat again as he groped around for Trevor, and Luna, who was now wearing her free Spectrespecs, which gave her the look of a demented multicoloured owl.

"They're friends of mine," said Harry coldly.
There were also loads more time in just HBP alone when Harry expressed irritation at the attention of being the chosen one. Just flipping through the first few pages I found this quote:
People stared shamelessly as he approached. They even pressed their faces against the windows of their compartments to get a look at him. He had expected an upswing in the amount of gaping and gawping he wouold have to endure this term after all the "Chosen One" rumours in the Daily Prophet, but he did not enjoy the sensation of standing in a very bright spotlight. He tapped Ginny on the shoulder.

"Fancy trying to find a compartment?"

"I can't, Harry, I said I'd meet Dean," said Ginny brightly. "See you later."

"Right," said Harry. He felt a strange twinge of annoyance as she walked away, her long red hair dancing behind her; he had become so used to her presence over the summer that he had almost forgotten that Ginny did not hang around with him, Ron, and Hermione while at school. Then he blinked and looked around: He was surrounded by mesmerized girls.

"Hi Harry!" said a familiar voice from behind him.

"Neville!" said Harry in relief, turning to see a round-faced boy struggling toward him.
Definitely irritated. I haven't read HBP in a while but I remember this irritation being a constant theme throughout the book. I basically agree with everything Meesha wrote in her post. It seems like an accurate representation of how I view Harry.

The only time I remember Harry ever having an attitude like that was in GoF where he wished he were cooler and the winner of the Tri-Wizard Tournament so he could impress Cho Chang. :shrug: It wasn't even expressed out loud but in his imagination.

However, that said, the movies have gone off canon for a while. Dan was acting like Dan in that scene at the end of the trailer but I'm used to the movies not being canon anymore. I quite enjoyed his attitude and that whole scene at the end because it saved the trailer from taking itself entirely too seriously. I also adore Hermione when she takes on the "Mommy Hermione" attitude. :D The movies don't irritate me anymore when it comes to stuff like that unless it has to do with Ron. I guess I just don't care anymore.

Cheers :tu:

There seems to be more water surrounding the front of the castle this time. I don't know how I feel about the design of the astronomy tower. It's too clunky and busy. Also, the gazebo design looks too odd and out of place with the architectural style of Hogwarts. In fact, it looks too bizarre in comparison to any kind of castle or cathedral acrhitecture period. Oh well. Love that shot of Malfoy in front of that tapestry.

Is it just me though, or does this film now look too polished? There's a bit of a cleanliness and fakeness to it. Particularly the shot of McG lifting her wand in the sky. It's also strange seeing the crop field being well lit like that in the middle of the night. The fire around the Burrow obviously isn't a strong enough light source to grant that effect. There's also an obnoxious yellowy glow on the characters in many of the shots. Will they EVER get it right? Can the cinematography not just have a more natural looking colour palette the way the first four films did? Is that too much to ask of Yates?

Particularly the shot of Hagrid putting his wand... which he shouldn't have...?

The hand with the wand is McGonagall's.

He was confirmed cut long ago.

Really? Who's playing him?
This is great news.

Can the cinematography not just have a more natural looking colour palette the way the first four films did? Is that too much to ask of Yates?
I agree. The cinematography has just been really wrong since after PoA. It was awful in OotP in my opinion and is one of the reasons that OotP is my least favourite of the past 5 movies. I heard that it was much better in HBP. From the trailer I can tell that it's a huge improvement on OotP but I'm disappointed that it's not as nice as some of the persons that watched the movies had led me to believe. Perhaps when watching the movie as a whole I'll enjoy the cinematography more.

Cheers :tu:

The hand with the wand is McGonagall's.

Heh. You beat me to my edit.

I also adore Hermione when she takes on the "Mommy Hermione" attitude. :D

So do I. :D Very canon. ;)



And I think the cinematography looks great. :cool:

Oops:blush: -- looks like someone already posted the international trailer in this thread. Well, I liked it:D

Um, there is a higher-quality version without the logo "Leaky News" in the corner online now, so here you go (just watch my luck, that's already posted too:lol:)

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I loved it. OMG, the part at the end with Harry and Hermione is priceless:rotfl:

Really? Who's playing him?
This is great news.

Err, what? :yuhup:

You clearly misread what Jack5555 said :lol: To clarify, no as far as we know Scrimgeour has been cut from the film. It has been rumoured that he could be a suprise for the fans so there is still hope. He wasn't seen in the rough cut of the film, but that means nothing if Yates truly wants his character to be a surprise. BTW, IF he is included, Yates has stated that he will be played by Bill Nighy (Davey Jones in PotC)


EDIT:

There is a new picture of Ron and Hermione in the common room looking out at the ominous sky as seen in the script leak. This has been seen in calendar pics as well as in the trailer, but this is from a different angle and it's much more hi-res: :tu:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13923/herr6565xz5.jpg

I simply don't recall any canon about that, I guess that is why I disagree. He was not overly flattered by the attention, but I don't recall aversion to it in the sense of being irritated. To me, he was no more embarassed than Ron, and neither boy knew how to act around girls - neither was a suave, debonaire type. They sat out of the dancing in GoF together. Ron wasn't raised in the way Harry was, it is just the way some dudes are. So I don't see Harry's behavior as out of the realm of normalcy in that way. Thus, I guess I would have to look at canon to know what you are referring to. That is why the comment in the trailer seems perfectly fitting to me. He didn't seem to be basking in the attention - only noting it like he did in the book. He never ran and hid from it, he just kept going because he didn't know how to deal with it exactly, but if someone had commented upon it, I see him answering just as he did in that scene.



Again, I never noted this - he was 11 years old in character to me per the book - because Hermione and Ron were more mature in that light too (evil v. good).



Never saw this happening in canon.



I agree it did in ways, but not socially with girls - that is what I mentioned earlier. He was shy, but I simply don't recall him being irritated as if he "didn't like it". That to me rings completely untrue - which is why the scene works for me.



I totally agree Harry didn't like the fact that people treated him differently because he was marked by Voldemort. But that is something else. I am talking about attention from girls in general (motivation aside) - he simply did not show irritation to me. The irritation he showed about what you are referring to dealt with everything to do with his life - a general notion - not specific to girls. And I think that is also a very normal reaction. But he took each thing on its own. With the minister, the basis of his being the chosen one was a complete bane to his existence. But for instance, when Cho showed some interest, he didn't think to himself (as far as I recall) "she only likes me because I am the chosen one". Nor when he noticed all the girls paying attention to him did he do more than realize their motivation - but he didn't get angry about it, imo. So to me, the scene is perfectly in character. :lol:.

Throughout HBP, Harry was by turns embarrassed, annoyed, and irritated by all the girls chasing after him. The first instance is on the train when he turns to find himself surrounded by mesmerized girls - he was relieved when Neville called out to him and hastened to get away from them. That's not really normal behavior for a teenage boy. It shows embarrassment and annoyance - he wasn't flattered by that at all. And he was clearly irritated with Romilda Vane when she came into the compartment and insulted Neville and Luna to try and get him to come sit with her and her friends.

He was embarrassed when Hermione started telling him why all the girls fancied him and that turned into annoyance during the Quidditch tryouts with all those girls disrupting the tryouts - a lot of which weren't even in Gryffindor. And he was forced to resort to using hidden shortcuts and passageways to avoid girls following him around from class to class - which Ron found funny, but Harry did not. And then you add in the lengths that those girls were willing to go to with slipping him love potions and such - and he actually got mad at Hermione because he thought she didn't confiscate them so he was irritated by all that as well.

That's the difference between what we saw in the book and what we saw in that clip at the end of the trailer. In the trailer, Harry is not only flattered by the attention, he's actually checking Romilda out - apparently actually considering going out with her or approaching her. That's what seems out of character to me. Embarrassed by her staring at him or annoyed would have made sense and been consistent, but being flattered and seeming to want to ask her out isn't really consistent with canon.

I think Hermione was very mature for her age as well - which is typical with only children - but Ron was pretty normal in regards to his development. I agree that they matured faster because of their friendship with Harry, but I think Harry was ahead of them when they first met simply because of everything he had been through already with the Dursleys. Maybe it was because my son was 11 when I first read it so I had a comparison that it stood out so much to me, but I always saw Harry as being emotionally stunted.

Meesha, I'd hate to burst your bubble but he's a 16 year old boy. Ofcourse he's checking Romilda out. That isn't out of character for any heterosexual teenage boy. I think in the book his irritation was more towards the fact that those same girls who suddenly found him attractive, acted like he didn't exist only a year ago. He was also annoyed by the fact that they questioned his preference of being friends with students like luna and Neville.

Thanks for posting those quotes cgold! :)

Meesha, I'd hate to burst your bubble but he's a 16 year old boy. Ofcourse he's checking Romilda out. That isn't out of character for any heterosexual teenage boy. I think in the book his irritation was more towards the fact that those same girls who suddenly found him attractive, acted like he didn't exist only a year ago. He was also annoyed by the fact that they questioned his preference of being friends with students like luna and Neville.

Except that he wasn't checking out any girls other than Ginny in the book. The other girls just annoyed and irritated him. That was my point. Sure, it would be normal behavior for a 16 year old boy - but Harry is not a normal 16 year old boy and that was emphasized in the books.

I agree that he was mainly irritated because those girls were only interested in him because he was "the chosen one". But, again, that is the point. The clip in the trailer shows him to be flattered by that and willing to use his status as "the chosen one" to get girls. And that is out of character for Harry because he hated getting that kind of attention just because he was "the chosen one".

EDIT:

There is a new picture of Ron and Hermione in the common room looking out at the ominous sky as seen in the script leak. This has been seen in calendar pics as well as in the trailer, but this is from a different angle and it's much more hi-res: :tu:



Er, is it me, or do their faces look really weird in this picture. Maybe it is the lighting, but their faces look creepy!

Except that he wasn't checking out any girls other than Ginny in the book. The other girls just annoyed and irritated him. That was my point. Sure, it would be normal behavior for a 16 year old boy - but Harry is not a normal 16 year old boy and that was emphasized in the books.

I agree that he was mainly irritated because those girls were only interested in him because he was "the chosen one". But, again, that is the point. The clip in the trailer shows him to be flattered by that and willing to use his status as "the chosen one" to get girls. And that is out of character for Harry because he hated getting that kind of attention just because he was "the chosen one".


Wow- so unexpected to be getting this new trailer over the weekend:clap::clap: I actually was hoping the wb would release a new trailer on nov 21 just as an olive branch to the fans about the uproar over the delay. How ever way we got this new trailer I don't care- I thought it was great!!!- especially considering we have had several slow weeks of new HBP info.

I loved how the teaser opened- with emphasis on the cave, etc. It's exactly how I pictured it. I agree with multiple other posters who have commented that it is interesting how these 2 teasers seem to predominantly focus on the darker elements of the story, yet all the test screeners have stated how much more the romantic comedy aspects actually dominate the film. I just hope nonreaders don't get misled.

As for the ending, it was quite a surprise to see that splash of humor. I have to agree with meesha and rachezee though. Although I did like it, and hermione was canon- I felt like I was watching Dan make those jokes rather than Harry. I've seen Dan in so many interviews and those lines actually fit his personality perfectly. It doesn't really fit Harry at all. I don't recall Harry ever being even remotely cocky about being the "chosen one" or even remotely confident around girls :lol::lol:

In fact I think in the book it's hermione who has to remind Harry that he is popular and now a sought after commodity ( I think it was in the quidditch tryouts chapter when Harry wonders why all these people show up but meesha would probably remember :) ) rather than vice versa as it is in the trailer.

EDIT:

There is a new picture of Ron and Hermione in the common room looking out at the ominous sky as seen in the script leak. This has been seen in calendar pics as well as in the trailer, but this is from a different angle and it's much more hi-res: :tu:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13923/herr6565xz5.jpg
I love this picture. Other than the fact that it's Ron/Hermione, :love: it looks almost exactly like the picture on the back of the US HBP. I love the Dumbledore scene in the trailer where creating the circle of fire because it looks a lot like the UK cover of HBP. It just makes it seem like they are paying attention to detail when it comes to some things.

Cheers :tu:

The game included is one of the earlier ones, it seems. So it would lead to the Harry/Ginny kiss only if they totally redid that romance. We do know they are including the romance, because Ginny is having problems with Dean, and Ginny and Harry kiss towards the end of the movie (afetr the Sectumsempra scene, so very much when it happened in the books).

I know that H/G will develop a bond, that they'll have a romance. I was just hoping that quidditch would help them develop a closer bond, a deeper fondness for one another.

It is possible that QUidditch still does serve that romance,

I'm positive I read someplace that it doesn't do much to do that, though if it develops Ginny's character, I'd be happy.

while also moving along Lav Lav/Won Won, or serves one of the other plots.

I thought Lav/Won should've been cut, so I don't care if that particular plot is advanced. There isn't much needed in it anyway; it's basically physical, so I see very little build up required.

(Is Draco missing? Is the Felix potion used?)

Yup, but I still dunno if it's going to serve those purposes. I can't tell how I feel about including quidditch, yet. I'll have to see the movie.

:lol: I just noticed the jacket Hermione is wearing is almost like the one in Prisoner of Azkaban :rotfl:

After multiple viewings, I think I actually like this trailer even better than the first one!
With the initial teaser, it set the dark tone nicely as well as the plot with respect to the memories- but aside from the orphanage scene and a few cave scenes we didn't get much footage.

With this teaser we get so much more diversity!! Everything also looks so much better than I expected- i.e. the cave, the burrow attack with the ring of fire, the side by side apparition, the flight of the prince, etc. It looks like they also included the "fight back you coward" line too which I thought they cut out.

If only we didn't have to wait until july....but all in all, this teaser was really a nice surprise :)

I suppose my own view lies somewhere in between yours and Fleurs. I agree Harry in the books was the kid you describe forced into a world and circumstances beyond his control - and manipulated and such. But the book certainly didn't play out like that. Where we might expect a shy, insecure, nervous and completely introverted kid, cowed by all assualts (verbal and otherwise), we didn't get that at all. First thing he does is turn wildly on the Dursleys (his tormentors for life) and tell them off for lying to him, with all the arrogance and impertinence of a secure and forthright person. He then goes on to stand up to Draco, Snape and Hermione in turn, and his POV is filled with normalcy for an 11 year old, in my view.

Nothing changed either - he only got more and more this way throughout the series - and only in certain respects (girls, evil, missing his parents, etc.) did he ever come across as the least bit insecure - but so did Ron. And even with his moments of insecurity, Harry battled it and won everytime - approaching girls for the dance, approaching Cho and finally kissing Ginny in front of a crowd full of people like some Don Juan, Cassanova. :lol:.

So I think JKR was attempting to show that in the world of magic - one's parents and the behaviors they would have instilled - can actually be connected with by their orphans. Neville did it as well, albeit a little slower. Because there is no way one can say that Harry was like the Dursleys - and no way one can say he was the "classic abused child" in his actions and behavior. Instead we got the slightly arrogant, impertinent, rule breaking, mischievous, kind-hearted, compassionate, fair-minded boy that was clearly a product of his parents, only silghtly under developed.

So I would say that in HBP, it is important to show his normalcy - and he indeed had grown into his own by then. That is when he grabbed and kissed Ginny; when he stood up to Snape and said 'you don't have to call me Sir', when he stood up to Dumbledore and argued to the brink of Dumbledore's personal rejection of him, where he started instigating fights with Draco (including the end of OOTP), where he paid A LOT less heed to his friends, despite their continued disdain at his plans. Harry really became his own man in many ways in that book and so I feel that the scene in the trailer is very accurate in depicting what he might have done at that time.

"But I am the chosen one" - the truth and Harry knows it, tempered by his natural humility and his knowledge that it does not make one "special" but rather "marked". Sure, there is a little arrogance in the statement, but that fits, as JKR indicated, it is his personality fault at times. But there is sincerity in that statement too because being the chosen one is absolutely horrible at times and if it has its benefits as well, why shouldn't he enjoy them? To me, he's only 1/2 kidding when he says "kidding" - because my goodness, if you are marked for death and go through all of the trauma and loss associated with being the chosen one; then later a girl is interested in you due to all of that - should you deny the truth? Humility has its boundaries too and the line between being humble and lying to yourself is a thin one, imo.

Fantastic analysis :tu: I agree completely. Like Wimsey, and others, have said: the personal politics are demonstrated, and the fact that Harry is maturing is nifty too. Not to mention, if Harry acts different around Ginny than he is around Romilda, than the audience will better realize that he likes her. For example, if he acts more nervous around Ginny, yet seems to have a genuine connection once they grow comfortable, than... well, that's how we know :D

All that to say, I feel the scene is perfect and I am very glad they included it in the trailer so people understand we are going to continue to have this well rounded kid. Harry is an anomoly - but as it turns out, so is Neville - and that is because of the phenomena in the wizard world that rests in a truth for them: those who love us, never really leave us. Neville's parents are hospitalized, but also reside in Neville's heart, in a special magical way that is quite beyond anything a Muggle would be able to understand or feel. It is the tendency of moviegoers to try to normalize the "feelings" of this sort into our own existence, but HP is simply not the same as the Muggle world in that regard, imo. Our other world contact is purely emotional based, whereas theirs has a physical element to it. And that is the Harry we have, imo (and ultimately the Neville). The movies have totally remained faithful to that idea so far, imo.



I disagree because of what I said above. I think it is totally in character for Harry. I don't know anything much about Dan, so I can't speak to him; but I think he played the character there "spot on". ;)

:agree:

After multiple viewings, I think I actually like this trailer even better than the first one!
With the initial teaser, it set the dark tone nicely as well as the plot with respect to the memories- but aside from the orphanage scene and a few cave scenes we didn't get much footage.

With this teaser we get so much more diversity!! Everything also looks so much better than I expected- i.e. the cave, the burrow attack with the ring of fire, the side by side apparition, the flight of the prince, etc. It looks like they also included the "fight back you coward" line too which I thought they cut out.

If only we didn't have to wait until july....but all in all, this teaser was really a nice surprise :)

I definitely agree. Compared to the first one, and this is only my opinion, this trailer is loads better. This trailer was actually a lot funner to watch. Like phoenix88 said, so much diversity in one trailer! In the first one, most of the time we only got one scene. If I remember right, there was really two scenes to look at in the first trailer: Young Voldemort and Dumbledore, and the Burrow attack.

This trailer, while it had a small flash of Young Voldemort scene (dresser on fire), and it maybe one or two Burrow attack scenes that was on the first trailer, it had a lot more to the Burrow attack, and now I can't wait to see the Burrow attack scene! That ring of fire is awesome and the Burrow is actually ON FIRE!

This trailer is so intense and I could watch it over and over... and over again!

ETA: Of course the more and more I watch it, I am beginning to hate the placement in the trailer of the last part. I love the scene, but not the placement of it. In all other trailers (HBP and previous) we have darker scenes at the end than this. This is comical. Though I guess since they are showing a long scene, it couldn't be anywhere but that part.

:lol: I just noticed the jacket Hermione is wearing is almost like the one in Prisoner of Azkaban :rotfl:
You're right :) But it was a nice jacket :P

There were lots of examples of Harry being irritated by this and it was especially noted in HBP. This was especially true for Romilda Vane. He wouldn't want her attention.
"Hi, Harry, I'm Romilda, Romilda Vane," she said loudly and confidently. "Why don't you join us in our compartment? You don't have to sit with them," she added in a stage whisper, indicating Neville's bottom, which was sticking out from under the seat again as he groped around for Trevor, and Luna, who was now wearing her free Spectrespecs, which gave her the look of a demented multicoloured owl.

"They're friends of mine," said Harry coldly.

I see that as Harry being upset that Romilda is criticizing his friends. If it were a person nicer to his posse, he wouldn't have been so irritated.

There were also loads more time in just HBP alone when Harry expressed irritation at the attention of being the chosen one. Just flipping through the first few pages I found this quote:
People stared shamelessly as he approached. They even pressed their faces against the windows of their compartments to get a look at him. He had expected an upswing in the amount of gaping and gawping he wouold have to endure this term after all the "Chosen One" rumours in the Daily Prophet, but he did not enjoy the sensation of standing in a very bright spotlight. He tapped Ginny on the shoulder.

"Fancy trying to find a compartment?"

"I can't, Harry, I said I'd meet Dean," said Ginny brightly. "See you later."

"Right," said Harry. He felt a strange twinge of annoyance as she walked away, her long red hair dancing behind her; he had become so used to her presence over the summer that he had almost forgotten that Ginny did not hang around with him, Ron, and Hermione while at school. Then he blinked and looked around: He was surrounded by mesmerized girls.

"Hi Harry!" said a familiar voice from behind him.

"Neville!" said Harry in relief, turning to see a round-faced boy struggling toward him.
Definitely irritated. I haven't read HBP in a while but I remember this irritation being a constant theme throughout the book. I basically agree with everything Meesha wrote in her post. It seems like an accurate representation of how I view Harry.

I think he may show irritation at being the Chosen One at times, though the attention by girls wasn't completely irritating to him, IMO. I do agree that it got annoying when it got in his way: ie, quidditch tryouts, when Romilda criticizes his friends, etc. Other times, however, I don't think Harry notices. It's Hermione who points it out to him.

Yup, but I still dunno if it's going to serve those purposes. I can't tell how I feel about including quidditch, yet. I'll have to see the movie.

That was my point. :) That the simple knowledge that there is Quidditch, does not tell us why it's there, whether just to have Quidditch, or to also accomplish something else. I don't recall reading the thing about Ginny, if she doesn't figure at all in the Quidditch-related scenes, that would seem a wasted opportunity.

That's the difference between what we saw in the book and what we saw in that clip at the end of the trailer. In the trailer, Harry is not only flattered by the attention, he's actually checking Romilda out - apparently actually considering going out with her or approaching her.

In today's teenage world, a guy checking you out means he's got hormones and you look especially nice that day. Rarely does it mean he'll approach you, let alone ask you out. At least, that's how it is here in Hoosier town!

Besides... he was simply looking. He seemed a little shell shocked, a trait barely there (but existant), and slightly dazed. That was all. It wasn't like he was winking or anything ;)

Except that he wasn't checking out any girls other than Ginny in the book. The other girls just annoyed and irritated him. That was my point. Sure, it would be normal behavior for a 16 year old boy - but Harry is not a normal 16 year old boy and that was emphasized in the books.

But I don't want Harry to be a moody emo... though in the books he can be slightly irritated, that doesn't indicate a lack of hormones or humor in response to his situation :D

Throughout HBP, Harry was by turns embarrassed, annoyed, and irritated by all the girls chasing after him. The first instance is on the train when he turns to find himself surrounded by mesmerized girls - he was relieved when Neville called out to him and hastened to get away from them. That's not really normal behavior for a teenage boy. It shows embarrassment and annoyance - he wasn't flattered by that at all. And he was clearly irritated with Romilda Vane when she came into the compartment and insulted Neville and Luna to try and get him to come sit with her and her friends.

I guess we all just look at it differently. I would have run away too and annoyance wouldn't have been the problem - embarassment would have been. :lol:.

He was embarrassed when Hermione started telling him why all the girls fancied him and that turned into annoyance during the Quidditch tryouts with all those girls disrupting the tryouts - a lot of which weren't even in Gryffindor. And he was forced to resort to using hidden shortcuts and passageways to avoid girls following him around from class to class - which Ron found funny, but Harry did not. And then you add in the lengths that those girls were willing to go to with slipping him love potions and such - and he actually got mad at Hermione because he thought she didn't confiscate them so he was irritated by all that as well.

That's the difference between what we saw in the book and what we saw in that clip at the end of the trailer. In the trailer, Harry is not only flattered by the attention, he's actually checking Romilda out - apparently actually considering going out with her or approaching her. That's what seems out of character to me. Embarrassed by her staring at him or annoyed would have made sense and been consistent, but being flattered and seeming to want to ask her out isn't really consistent with canon.

Well again, I just didn't read it this way - so the trailer seems to fit perfectly with my reading. I guess it is just a matter of perspective. A truckload of girls at once will make nearly any guy run - but that doesn't mean he doesn't appreciate being liked. There is just a thing as "too much love all at once" :lol:.

I think Hermione was very mature for her age as well - which is typical with only children - but Ron was pretty normal in regards to his development. I agree that they matured faster because of their friendship with Harry, but I think Harry was ahead of them when they first met simply because of everything he had been through already with the Dursleys. Maybe it was because my son was 11 when I first read it so I had a comparison that it stood out so much to me, but I always saw Harry as being emotionally stunted.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that. It is just that to me, in terms of the clip we saw, it would fit perfectly with everything you've said. He didn't seem to be overtly admiring her, but rather checking out the fact that she was checking him out. That would be interesting to any guy, imo - it is flattering no matter who you are unless you hate girls. But if you are suddenly surrounded by 50 fawning females....:rotfl:, well that is another matter. So all in all, I think it represents Harry very well in HBP. But I respect your view that it does not.

originally posted by wickedwickedboy
I wouldn't disagree with any of that. It is just that to me, in terms of the clip we saw, it would fit perfectly with everything you've said. He didn't seem to be overtly admiring her, but rather checking out the fact that she was checking him out. That would be interesting to any guy, imo - it is flattering no matter who you are unless you hate girls. But if you are suddenly surrounded by 50 fawning females...., well that is another matter. So all in all, I think it represents Harry very well in HBP. But I respect your view that it does not.

I agree. I don't think it is out of character for Harry to be surprised and flattered by the girls. In GoF, when all the girls ask him to the Yule Ball, Harry is shocked. We didn't really get that sense in the GoF movie, so I feel it's fine to play it out now. He is always slightly surprised to find himself surrounded by fawning girls. And naturally, he should be annoyed at the Quidditch tryouts and on the train. However, one on one, I don't see any evidence that Harry is distinctly annoyed by this.

In fact, with Cho, he wondered if he would be bothered if she was only into him because he was the Chosen One. He seems to have decided that he did not.

Thankfully, Harry grows up and realizes he wants more then a shallow relationship like the one he had with Cho. Sadly, the movies did not really give us the break-down of their relationship. It always seemed like Harry was sort of awkward around her until after their kiss. We seem him chatting easily with Cho. So, we need to show movie-goers that Harry does still have this decision to make because the leap has not been made in the movies. Harry can still have the easy, shallow relationship with Romilda, or he can try for something deeper with Ginny. It's an important development for Harry, and the audience needs to see it. Otherwise, Ginny is just another pretty girl for Harry. We need to see the difference.

And while I agree that Harry was never attracted to Romilda at all in the books, she is the easiest candidate for this development now.

In today's teenage world, a guy checking you out means he's got hormones and you look especially nice that day. Rarely does it mean he'll approach you, let alone ask you out. At least, that's how it is here in Hoosier town!

Besides... he was simply looking. He seemed a little shell shocked, a trait barely there (but existant), and slightly dazed. That was all. It wasn't like he was winking or anything ;)



But I don't want Harry to be a moody emo... though in the books he can be slightly irritated, that doesn't indicate a lack of hormones or humor in response to his situation :D

I agree with the first part. Just because a guy thinks you are cute, doesn't mean he wants to go out with you.

In fact, with Cho, he wondered if he would be bothered if she was only into him because he was the Chosen One. He seems to have decided that he did not.




Uh- he had no idea he was the chosen one yet in Gof when he thought this. He was school champion. And this was specifically about Cho, a girl he had a huge crush on. It did not apply to all the other girls who had asked him to the Yule ball. Or he would have probably sought them out after he was turned down by Cho. Instead he went to one of the girls who was comfortably a friend- Parvati.

In today's teenage world, a guy checking you out means he's got hormones and you look especially nice that day. Rarely does it mean he'll approach you, let alone ask you out. At least, that's how it is here in Hoosier town!

If we were talking about a normal teenage boy rather than a fictional character who was given specific character traits, I would agree. That is normal behavior for teenage boys in general. It's just not normal for Harry because he's not a normal teenage boy. The only girls he ever checked out were Cho and Ginny - both of whom he had feelings for. He never gave any other girl any notice. He had a lot bigger things to worry about.

But I don't want Harry to be a moody emo... though in the books he can be slightly irritated, that doesn't indicate a lack of hormones or humor in response to his situation :D

It doesn't really matter what we want though. We didn't write this story or create Harry's character. Jo made Harry as a moody emo - and gave him good reason to be that way with all that he had to worry about.

It's not a huge deal and I didn't mean for it to be taken that way. It's just slightly out of character for Harry in regards to how he was portrayed in HBP. But they appear to be taking Harry in completely the opposite direction from what his character was in the book and making him more of a flirty hormonal teenager - flirting with random waitresses, enjoying the attention he's getting from being "the chosen one", and seemingly thinking it would be ok to use that to get girls - whereas he simply wasn't like that in the book.

I guess we all just look at it differently. I would have run away too and annoyance wouldn't have been the problem - embarassment would have been. :lol:.

It came across as annoyance through Harry's thoughts about it. Embarrassment is a factor - I agree with you there - but the annoyance came through as well because it was an inconvenience for him to have to do that.

Well again, I just didn't read it this way - so the trailer seems to fit perfectly with my reading. I guess it is just a matter of perspective. A truckload of girls at once will make nearly any guy run - but that doesn't mean he doesn't appreciate being liked. There is just a thing as "too much love all at once" :lol:.

I agree with that actually - to some extent. I think the bit in the trailer is off for me mostly because it is Romilda and Harry was annoyed with her right off the bat because of her behavior. I could see Harry doing that with Ginny, but not some girl who was aggressively chasing him and insulting his friends. And you have to wonder why Romilda would feel the need to resort to love potions if Harry was checking her out like that.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that. It is just that to me, in terms of the clip we saw, it would fit perfectly with everything you've said. He didn't seem to be overtly admiring her, but rather checking out the fact that she was checking him out. That would be interesting to any guy, imo - it is flattering no matter who you are unless you hate girls. But if you are suddenly surrounded by 50 fawning females....:rotfl:, well that is another matter. So all in all, I think it represents Harry very well in HBP. But I respect your view that it does not.

It looked like he was overtly admiring her to me - particularly with Hermione having to snap her fingers in his face to draw his attention away. And the whole "but I am the chosen one" was said like he felt he should be allowed to use that to get girls and that wasn't quite right either because Harry hated the fact that those girls only liked him because he was famous. Really, that's what put him off the whole thing in the first place. Whether it was one girl or fifty it was the same issue for Harry - they didn't like him for who he was - they liked "the chosen one".

Uh- he had no idea he was the chosen one yet in Gof when he thought this. He was school champion. And this was specifically about Cho, a girl he had a huge crush on. It did not apply to all the other girls who had asked him to the Yule ball. Or he would have probably sought them out after he was turned down by Cho. Instead he went to one of the girls who was comfortably a friend- Parvati.

Exactly. :agree: That's the difference between the Harry we are shown in the books and the Harry we are seeing in HBP - at least the glimpses we've had with these trailers. In the books, Harry only noticed 2 girls - Cho and Ginny - and he had feelings for both of them. He didn't go around checking girls out at random or consider using his fame as a tool to get lots of girls to date him.

But like I said before, this really is not a huge deal. It's a bit out of character for Harry, but they seem to be taking him in a different direction for the movie rather than following the book regarding his interest in girls. I think it will be humorous and cute.

Exactly. :agree: That's the difference between the Harry we are shown in the books and the Harry we are seeing in HBP - at least the glimpses we've had with these trailers. In the books, Harry only noticed 2 girls - Cho and Ginny - and he had feelings for both of them. He didn't go around checking girls out at random or consider using his fame as a tool to get lots of girls to date him.

As far as we know. I can safely assume that Harry checked out more than those two girls during his time at Hogwarts. Those are just the two that we hear about, as the others would have nothing to do with the plot. Besides Ginny and Cho, Harry's life and thoughts about girls are completely unrelated to the story. I do, however, agree with you on most of your other points.

I think the way Harry is being portrayed at the end of the trailer is great. It adds a little bit of humour and romance, allows others to see that Harry is after all human, and allows more people to relate to Harry. It may not be the character that J.K. wrote, but it will appeal to more fans, and should work great for a movie.

It came across as annoyance through Harry's thoughts about it. Embarrassment is a factor - I agree with you there - but the annoyance came through as well because it was an inconvenience for him to have to do that.

I am seeing where we might be looking at this distinctly now. I think what you thought of as annoyed, I saw as frustration at not knowing and thus, not being able to deal with the situation. But it wasn't at the attention in and of itself. Harry just didn't seem quite that arrogant to me - I mean he was definitely showing some arrogance, but not that much ("I cannot abide these females liking me for all the wrong reasons! :rotfl:") That is how he'd have to think if he was "annoyed" or "irritated" to me. The fact is, he understood and another fact is, he hadn't gotten so much attention before. But he'd have to be a side of beef not to be a little flattered by it all. And I totally agree it would be "annoying" at the Quidditch game because not only did he not know what to do about it, it was interrupting his efforts. But in the main, I feel it was just embarassment at not knowing what to do (who would know what to do in that situation?) Until you get used to it, it is a very scary situation. You know, even if you are on a sports team and you win the final goal for the team for the first time - you have no idea how to handle all of the congrats and whooping going on - which is from both sexes, but also includes a gang of girls (if you are a guy) and it can be very overwhelming. At the same time, it is flattering and you notice and there is a part of you that is proud of you too that can appreciate it. That is what I think they were trying to convey in the trailer.


I agree with that actually - to some extent. I think the bit in the trailer is off for me mostly because it is Romilda and Harry was annoyed with her right off the bat because of her behavior. I could see Harry doing that with Ginny, but not some girl who was aggressively chasing him and insulting his friends. And you have to wonder why Romilda would feel the need to resort to love potions if Harry was checking her out like that.

And that Meesha is a completely winning argument with me. I agree 100%. Wrong girl to use in the trailer - but the right sentiment. So for those who have not read the books, I think it conveys Harry perfectly - but for those who have, this would be a huge sticking point. In this light, I agree completely - Harry would not react that way to her. Perhaps they will leave the train scene out though?

It looked like he was overtly admiring her to me - particularly with Hermione having to snap her fingers in his face to draw his attention away. And the whole "but I am the chosen one" was said like he felt he should be allowed to use that to get girls and that wasn't quite right either because Harry hated the fact that those girls only liked him because he was famous. Really, that's what put him off the whole thing in the first place. Whether it was one girl or fifty it was the same issue for Harry - they didn't like him for who he was - they liked "the chosen one".

Nah...because you have filled in his POV and I would agree if I thought that is what he was thinking in the trailer. But knowing how Harry is portrayed, I interpreted his staring more in fascination at the fact that someone is paying him that kind of attention. Again - wrong girl for the role unless they leave out the train scene - but otherwise, it makes sense. He is flattered, she is pretty, he is fascinated by the whole idea. And Hermione's comment is a put down of his character and Harry responds in a way that lets us know he acknowledged and is even flattered, but realizes the value of what she said. But as I said before, there is some truth in Harry's words. He IS the chosen one - we cannot forget that - he is marked for death. How under the moon and stars could there be any benefit to that??? :lol:. That too is likely a big part of his amazement.

I agree with the first part. Just because a guy thinks you are cute, doesn't mean he wants to go out with you.

:agree:

If we were talking about a normal teenage boy rather than a fictional character who was given specific character traits, I would agree. That is normal behavior for teenage boys in general. It's just not normal for Harry because he's not a normal teenage boy. The only girls he ever checked out were Cho and Ginny - both of whom he had feelings for. He never gave any other girl any notice. He had a lot bigger things to worry about.

Well, I always considered Harry quite normal. He didn't give his full attention to his destiny (look how long it took him to get the Slughorn memory) because he did, indeed, do other things than brood, IMO.

It doesn't really matter what we want though. We didn't write this story or create Harry's character. Jo made Harry as a moody emo - and gave him good reason to be that way with all that he had to worry about.

Ah, I didn't type a good reflection of my thoughts. I meant, I do not think that the universal perception of Harry is like that of Hamlet: brooding, constantly agonizing over his unfortunate fate. Harry actually engages in life, and I think that this should be represented. His character, IMHO, is not as objective as your arguments seems to make him. He's very subjective, and it depends on how we read him.

And even if that was factually how he was supposed to be represented, the audiences would never love a character such as that. I don't like constant pity parties, and I doubt many others do. I love Harry's flaws, like subtle arrogance and rash action, as well as a constant need to help even when it is officious, but I do not think that 'emo' qualifies as something people will enjoy.

Nah...because you have filled in his POV and I would agree if I thought that is what he was thinking in the trailer. But knowing how Harry is portrayed, I interpreted his staring more in fascination at the fact that someone is paying him that kind of attention. Again - wrong girl for the role unless they leave out the train scene - but otherwise, it makes sense. He is flattered, she is pretty, he is fascinated by the whole idea. And Hermione's comment is a put down of his character and Harry responds in a way that lets us know he acknowledged and is even flattered, but realizes the value of what she said. But as I said before, there is some truth in Harry's words. He IS the chosen one - we cannot forget that - he is marked for death. How under the moon and stars could there be any benefit to that??? :lol:. That too is likely a big part of his amazement.

I agree. :tu:

Oh, I really liked it. It's almost three in the morning here, so you might want to ask me again tomorrow, but... well, these are some of my specifics:

I loved the ocean shot at the beginning, though I felt the actual footage seemed to belong in another movie. It was beautiful, but I think it'll be better in context. At least, I hope. Dumbledore's hand was underwhelming. Eh; that's okay. I don't mind. I loved Dumbledore's voiceover., however Thought it sounded less gruff than usual, though its weight remains. Luckily, since Dumbledore is going to die, I see the need for some heaviness.

The apparating was definitely awesome. I liked how it led to quidditch, though I'm not quite sure what purpose quidditch serves if it's not being used to help Harry and Ginny develop a romantic bond. I hated that Lav and Ron got Ginny and Harry's kiss, but I'm not going to judge yet... the H/G plotline hasn't really been introduced in the trailers, so maybe their new kiss will work better for the story arc that Kloves is developing for the last three movies.

I thought Rupert was great as the bewildered, and Lav (though she shouldn't be in the movie...) was good at being randomly ditzy. At first I thought the fire looked very fake, but I love it in your signature. I wish we could've seen inferi. I think Snape was made of pure awesome. I wish Luna was stuck in someplace, but it was fine without her presence.

Draco was uber cool. Harry's lines to Snape were mad sweet. I really, really liked the trailer, and it made me excited for the movie, which equals bad. The higher my hopes go up, the worse I'm going to take it if the movie bombs. And frankly, I don't trust Yates to make it not bomb.

.. oh! And Greyback didn't look like a werewolf when I saw him, but if we don't introduce him as one, than I guess it isn't important. And! I love Helena Bonham Carter... though after I saw the Mel Gibson version of Hamlet in my AP English class, I think her perfect rendition of Ophelia is making it harder for HBC to do wrong in my eyes. She could give Harry a cookie, and I'd still be like, "see?! that's talent!"It appears to me the quidditch match gives Ron a little bit of glory, which is something that he hasn't really had in the past movies nor did he really have in the books either, he finally begins to grow some confidence in himself and he's actually very good at something. As well as it looks like he has his first kiss with Lavendar. :lol:

I thought the fire looked very great, I love the cinematography and Dumbledore's movements personally.

I'm someone who's divided on Greyback, when I first saw him in the teaser, my first reaction was "wow, that's really cool", I loved the growl and it appeared he had long hair, even if it wasn't what I imagined while reading the book, it was still pretty darn cool. Now in this one, maybe it's just we don't have any good shots of him in there, but he looks like a body builder or something. :lol:

ETA:
Does anyone have the trailer in HD?

OMGoodness! I just saw the new trailer! I had no idea they were gonna give us a new trailer already, but it is the least they can do after delaying the film till next summer.


I must say I was a bit confused on what was happening in the trailer though. I did not remember most of the scenes. I wanted to see more of Voldemorts mother and her possessing Riddle to fall in love with her...Sadly I think they are going to cut most of that out. And why was there clips of Voldemort from OOTP??


I also wanted to see at least somthing of Harry and Ginny together..but I guess the studio knows that is one of the most antcipated things about this one so they are keeping it locked up. Oh well, over all it looked decent but, I hope it has more to it than could be seen in this new trailer.

I must say I was a bit confused on what was happening in the trailer though. I did not remember most of the scenes. I wanted to see more of Voldemorts mother and her possessing Riddle to fall in love with her...Sadly I think they are going to cut most of that out.

You will watch those scenes only in your mind I'm afraid, we will never see the Gaunts or Voldemort's parents in the movie.
It's been long confirmed.

You will watch those scenes only in your mind I'm afraid, we will never see the Gaunts or Voldemort's parents in the movie.
It's been long confirmed.

Technically it wasn't, TheSnitch.co.uk was the only website that ran that "exclusive"(I was the member who posted it up on here at the time, I think)and were unable to provide any evidence to back that up. They may have filmed something to show how Merope came to the orphanage to give birth to Voldemort that wasn't in the test screening cut but may make it into the final cut, we may never know until next year.

No, it was even confirmed by Steve Kloves in the Entertainment Weekly interview of August.
Merope and family never saw the light.

As far as we know. I can safely assume that Harry checked out more than those two girls during his time at Hogwarts. Those are just the two that we hear about, as the others would have nothing to do with the plot. Besides Ginny and Cho, Harry's life and thoughts about girls are completely unrelated to the story. I do, however, agree with you on most of your other points.

That's the thing. We do know. We don't have to assume anything when it comes to Harry because we were inside his head the whole time. We got his thoughts, feelings, and opinions on everything. Jo emphasized Harry's lack of emotional development with his unusual behavior regarding girls. He never noticed any other girl apart from Cho and Ginny. In GOF, he was put in the position of having to ask a girl to the ball and the only girl he even considers asking is Cho. He's got girls asking him to the ball left and right, but he barely registers them and is put off by that because he knows they aren't asking him because they actually like him. They were only asking him because he was Harry Potter and had done so well against the Horntail in the tournament. He never stopped to check any of them out and he wasn't flattered by their behavior. In the end, he resorts to asking Parvati - not because he was attracted or checking her out - but because he was desperate and needed a date. HBP puts him in a similar position with girls chasing after him left and right and we see the same thing - he was not flattered by their behavior because he knew that none of those girls actually liked him. None of them were interested when he was being suspected as the heir of Slytherin or during Fudge's smear campaign against him. He never stopped to check any of those girls out, but instead, did his best to avoid them like the plague.

Ron's behavior regarding girls also highlights how unusual Harry is in that regard. By 13, he was already crushing on Madame Rosmerta and checking her out. Whenever he got a turn in the spotlight and girls were paying attention to him, he was flattered and hammed it up, hoping to impress them. He was practically drooling over Fleur - though his more excessive behavior there was due to her being part Veela. Ron demonstrates the normal reactions you would expect with a teenage boy when it comes to girls whereas Harry is shown to be emotionally stunted in that regard and barely even notices girls. Even the Veela don't have much effect on Harry after he finds out what they are. Once he knew it was a magical influence, he was able to ignore it.

I think the way Harry is being portrayed at the end of the trailer is great. It adds a little bit of humour and romance, allows others to see that Harry is after all human, and allows more people to relate to Harry. It may not be the character that J.K. wrote, but it will appeal to more fans, and should work great for a movie.

Well, I do think it's a shame that we don't get to see Harry's real character in the movie - I really would much prefer that and I honestly believe most fans would as well. But I agree that scenes like this will be humorous and entertaining - just not consistent with canon.

I am seeing where we might be looking at this distinctly now. I think what you thought of as annoyed, I saw as frustration at not knowing and thus, not being able to deal with the situation. But it wasn't at the attention in and of itself. Harry just didn't seem quite that arrogant to me - I mean he was definitely showing some arrogance, but not that much ("I cannot abide these females liking me for all the wrong reasons! :rotfl:") That is how he'd have to think if he was "annoyed" or "irritated" to me. The fact is, he understood and another fact is, he hadn't gotten so much attention before. But he'd have to be a side of beef not to be a little flattered by it all. And I totally agree it would be "annoying" at the Quidditch game because not only did he not know what to do about it, it was interrupting his efforts. But in the main, I feel it was just embarassment at not knowing what to do (who would know what to do in that situation?) Until you get used to it, it is a very scary situation. You know, even if you are on a sports team and you win the final goal for the team for the first time - you have no idea how to handle all of the congrats and whooping going on - which is from both sexes, but also includes a gang of girls (if you are a guy) and it can be very overwhelming. At the same time, it is flattering and you notice and there is a part of you that is proud of you too that can appreciate it. That is what I think they were trying to convey in the trailer.

I think we may be looking at annoyed and irritated slighly different. I see both of those as very mild overall. He wasn't angry about it by any means, but the fact that none of those girls liked him for who he was bothered him a great deal. He knew that the only reason they were interested was because he was "the chosen one" and he wasn't interested in any of them because of that. I don't see that as arrogant at all. I think that shows Harry's maturity because he already knew that he wanted to be with someone who cared about him for who he really was rather than a shallow relationship with just any girl who would have him just because he was famous.

As I said above, we were inside Harry's head so we got all his thoughts, feelings, and opinions on the matter. Not once do any of his thoughts show that he was flattered and he never thinks about those girls at all beyond being annoyed by their behavior. Sure, he was embarrassed and part of that is due to the fact that he was completely clueless about girls in general. But the embarrassment primarily stemmed from the fact that he knew that those girls were only interested in him because he was "the chosen one". That embarrassed him because none of those girls would have looked twice at him if he wasn't "the famous Harry Potter". And that's why he wasn't flattered by those girls at all. What was there for him to be flattered over? It wasn't because they thought he was cute or were impressed by his skill at Quidditch - they only cared about the fact that he was famous. We see how much that bothered him in GOF when he was wondering if any of those girls would have been asking him to the ball if he wasn't famous. Again, I think that shows Harry's maturity because it would have been very easy for him to take advantage of his fame to get girls, but he didn't want that kind of relationship.

And Jo puts Harry in situations that highlight this unusual behavior in him with the Yule Ball and Slughorns Christmas party. He needs a date for both, but on both occasions, there is only one girl he is interested in asking. And on both occasions, he feels that he cannot ask that girl. In GOF, he did get the courage up to ask Cho and was refused, but not once did he consider or check out any other girl as a possibility. He asked Parvati out of desperation. In HBP, he could not ask Ginny because she was still dating Dean, but not once did he consider or check out any other girl as a possibility. He asked Luna to go with him as friends as a means of avoiding all those girls who were chasing after him.

As I said above, the contrast with all this is strongly emphasized by Ron's behavior in similar situations. Where Harry was annoyed and embarrassed by attention due to his fame, Ron was flattered and more confident when girls paid attention to him like that when he got the spotlight for a change. Where Harry avoided those girls like the plague and wasn't interested in any of them, Ron hammed it up and sought to impress them further. Ron gives us the perspective of normal behavior from a teenage boy while Harry demonstrates the complete opposite.

And that Meesha is a completely winning argument with me. I agree 100%. Wrong girl to use in the trailer - but the right sentiment. So for those who have not read the books, I think it conveys Harry perfectly - but for those who have, this would be a huge sticking point. In this light, I agree completely - Harry would not react that way to her. Perhaps they will leave the train scene out though?

Honestly, I think the only girl that would work for a scene like that and be consistent with Harry's characterization from the books - as well as the story - would be Ginny. Had they left out the whole "but I am the chosen one" stuff and just had Harry checking Ginny out in the library, I think that would have been a lot better. It would have added emphasis to Harry's growing feelings for Ginny as well as provided a humorous way to show what his feelings were with Hermione realizing what he was doing and teasing him about it - kind of like they did in OOTP with Hermione commenting that Cho couldn't take her eyes off Harry.

But they're ignoring canon for this and taking Harry's character in a completely different direction. I think it will still be a humorous scene, but it really doesn't make sense for the girl he's checking out to be Romilda. I think they did cut Romilda from the train scene, but that wasn't the only factor involved. The whole bit with Romilda attempting to use love potion on Harry doesn't work with this scene either. If Harry's checking her out in the library like that and showing attraction to her, then why on earth would she feel the need to use love potion on him?

Nah...because you have filled in his POV and I would agree if I thought that is what he was thinking in the trailer. But knowing how Harry is portrayed, I interpreted his staring more in fascination at the fact that someone is paying him that kind of attention. Again - wrong girl for the role unless they leave out the train scene - but otherwise, it makes sense. He is flattered, she is pretty, he is fascinated by the whole idea. And Hermione's comment is a put down of his character and Harry responds in a way that lets us know he acknowledged and is even flattered, but realizes the value of what she said. But as I said before, there is some truth in Harry's words. He IS the chosen one - we cannot forget that - he is marked for death. How under the moon and stars could there be any benefit to that??? :lol:. That too is likely a big part of his amazement.

That's what that clip in the trailer shows me - "Hey, I'm the chosen one. I can get any girl I want by flaunting my fame." - no wonder Hermione smacked him. I'd smack him too. :p When you add in the fact that they added the bit with Harry flirting with some random waitress that he just met, it seems that they're trying to make Harry into some kind of shallow, immature boy who doesn't care what girl he gets or how he gets her instead of the mature boy who was more focused on the situation with Voldemort and bothered by what he saw as undeserved attention from girls that we were shown in the book. I still think it's a funny scene and maybe it will come across better in the movie than it does in the trailer, but it's not consistent with canon.

Harry is the chosen one and he is marked for death. And that is another reason why he's not flattered by all those girls liking him. He knew what it meant to be the chosen one - it was not a means to get girls, it was a hardship presenting threats to his own life and the lives of everyone he cared about. He could not be a normal boy or have a normal life until Voldemort was defeated and he knew that. Just as he knew that he might never have a chance at a normal life because he could die. But none of those girls knew that. All they saw was the glory and recognition they would receive if they were Harry Potter's girlfriend. And Harry understood that. He knew those girls didn't really care anything about him at all or have any understanding about just how difficult and complicated his life was - he was just a status symbol to them. And that was not flattering to him. It bothered him.

And that made for a marked contrast in Harry during those weeks that he was with Ginny. For the first time, he was a normal boy thinking about his girlfriend and hanging out with his friends for fun. For the first time, he was able to step away from his destiny a bit and just be Harry. And that was significant because Harry needed to know what that was like - what he could have when Voldemort was gone. But reality came crashing down with Dumbledore's death and Harry realized that it was not possible for him to do both. He couldn't have that normal life and be with Ginny until Voldemort was defeated. And he accepted that he might never have that because he knew that he could die in the process of trying. That was his entire reason for breaking up with Ginny.

But - like I said before - I really don't think this is a huge deal. At least I don't at this point - that might change after I actually see the movie. I'm sure it will be a humorous scene, but that doesn't remove my concern about the changes they've made to the story to get a few more laughs.

I just watched the new trailer and I am commenting without reading the previous comments. Great trailer BTW.

The Burrow attack scene, which is totally non-canon, is turning out to be what I am most looking forward in this movie. It looks great, although maybe they have shown us too much of it. My only criticism is that the Burrow seems too isolated.

The scene with Romilda, Hermione and Harry at the end is brilliant. I really hate the Angst ridden Harry and these lite moments are great.

The cliff leading to the cave looks exactly as I had imagined it. Props to the location scouts. :tu:

heyy
i just saw the trailerr
it is awesomee
i have some doubts though

which scene is the one where hagrid is with all the studentss??
what am i missing

The cliff leading to the cave looks exactly as I had imagined it. Props to the location scouts. :tu:


Totally true. :tu:

I wonder - does anyone know where they filmed this?

As far as we know. I can safely assume that Harry checked out more than those two girls during his time at Hogwarts. Those are just the two that we hear about, as the others would have nothing to do with the plot. Besides Ginny and Cho, Harry's life and thoughts about girls are completely unrelated to the story. I do, however, agree with you on most of your other points.

I think the way Harry is being portrayed at the end of the trailer is great. It adds a little bit of humour and romance, allows others to see that Harry is after all human, and allows more people to relate to Harry. It may not be the character that J.K. wrote, but it will appeal to more fans, and should work great for a movie.

I agree. I thought it was a bit strange for him to love the girls looking at him but it is hilarious even though its a bit OoC.

Cape Wrath was rumored to be a possible location for this scene. I don't know that this has been confirmed.

Interesting..... yes, that could be the case...

http://www.farnorthaccom.com/images/Cape-Wrath.gif

I was wondering because the coast almost (but not quite) looks like the south coast of the Gower (south Wales)... and I hadn't heard that any filming had been done there....


I can't ind a picture of anything that looks quite like the cliff in the film, but one can see that it is definitely a possibility.

I have to say - even in the UK one can think of quite a few bits of coastline with slightly more predictable weather, though..... that's not a location I'd choose lightly, if I just had to find an impressive looking cliff.....

Locations:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417741/locations

Looks like the Cliffs of Moher to me.

http://www.goluxetravel.com/LocalResources/wwwgoluxetravelcom/images/Cliffs-of-Moher.jpg

Totally true. :tu:

I wonder - does anyone know where they filmed this?

Not for certain, but there was a report of rumoured locations: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/5/26/cape-wrath-to-meet-voldemort-s-fury-in-half-blood-prince-movie

May 26, 2007, 08:09 PM

Scotland on Sunday has a lengthy new article about possible locations in Scotland to be used for the filming of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. In a rather delicious piece of irony, one of the leading contenders for the possible site of filming for the dramatic Cave chapter is at a place called Cape Wrath, located in the northern part of Scotland. Quotage:


Warner Bros, which is preparing to shoot Harry Potter And The Half-Blood Prince, has sent an executive to the cliffs and caves around Cape Wrath, and also to a sea cave close to the Whaligoe Steps near Wick, and has been in talks over filming in the north.
...

The producers are interested in using the caves and cliffs as part of the dramatic climax of the new film - the sixth in the series - in which the heroes wind their way along a sea-lashed coastline in search of the soul of the evil Lord Voldemort.

The article continues on to specify other locales of interest to the Warner Brothers crew.

Sue Quinn, a London-based locations manager with Warner Bros, travelled to Scotland last month, taking a boat trip from Lochinver around Cape Wrath towards Durness, and then heading to Wick to check out the shore and caves at Whaligoe, near Lybster.
The main locations she checked out were:

• Smoo Cave, near Durness, which is 200ft long, 130ft wide, and 50ft tall at its entrance;

• Clo Mor, near Cape Wrath, which at 921ft, are the highest cliffs on the UK mainland;

• The arches under Cape Wrath, which contain a string of long caves;

• Stac Clo Kearvaig, a tower of rock that rises 130ft above the waves near Cape Wrath;

• The cave at the Whaligoe Steps, which lies in a bay enclosed by two large sea cliffs.

The locations are thought to be in competition with similar settings in the Leinster and Munster provinces of Ireland, and with New Zealand, where Lord Of The Rings was filmed.

Jimmy McIntosh, the former Kinlochbervie harbour master who took Quinn out on his boat, said: "She was taking thousands of photographs of the cliffs, caves and rocks. She seemed to be very interested in Smoo Cave and the stacks in particular.



EDIT:

Locations:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417741/locations

Looks like the Cliffs of Moher to me.

http://www.goluxetravel.com/LocalResources/wwwgoluxetravelcom/images/Cliffs-of-Moher.jpg
http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/Previews/HBPTrailer2Caps/hbp_promo_trailer2_004.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/Cliffs-of-Moher-1.jpg?t=1225227669

Yeah, I'd say that's it :lol:

Wow... yes, mrfutterman - that looks just right.

What a great landscape! :)

And the weather isn't much more reliable there than at Cape Wrath ;) :D But the landscape is efinitely worth it.

Looking at it like that it definitely doesn't look like the Gower coast - it's MUCH more dramatic. :tu: :)

I pictured the cliffs way different. But they look AMAZING!

What bugs me about the cave, is that it would be impossibile for a wandless child and two muggle children to reach it.
It's a ******* vertical wall!

That is a stunning picture of the cliffs! I'm very much looking forward to the cave scene, if in fact they are using this location to film (or at least to show a wide shot of the location of the cave). I haven't read any of the leaked scripts or closely followed this thread, but I wonder if there will be any sort of flashback to the incident with young Riddle leading the muggle children into the cave.

What bugs me about the cave, is that it would be impossibile for a wandless child and two muggle children to reach it.
It's a ******* vertical wall!

That's true. But then - the book scenario makes no sense either. A London orphanage, strapped for cash, wouldn't cart the kids any great distance on a jolly. Brighton, or some such easy-to-reach place, would be the obvious destination. There is nowhere within easy reach of London with a rocky coastline and sinister caves.

Looks suitably dramatic though!

I just saw the new trailer,and I can definetly say it helps a lot to make me think this movie might not be what I expected, but will definetly not suck.

I think I expected the film to stick loads more to JK Rowlings story, as told in the book and will not deny I was having second thoughts about how much I would like it with all the changes. But I can say that this trailer makes me think that as much as they might have changed some details, the esscence will still be there, and that pleases me.

I really like the cliffs and the music they have added to that part. It really helps set the mood.
All the brief scenes we get to see real fast give me the impression of a good film.

I like that trailer a lot, and I am starting to think this film might not dissapoint me after all.

http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/Previews/HBPTrailer2Caps/hbp_promo_trailer2_004.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/Cliffs-of-Moher-1.jpg?t=1225227669

Yeah, I'd say that's it :lol:

So would I!:)

You're spot on, mrfutterman!


I'm actually planning on using the "But I AM the Chosen One -- er, um, kidding" thing as my ringtone, it's so awesome:lol::cool::tu: (once I get my phone in a few days, that is)

That's true. But then - the book scenario makes no sense either. A London orphanage, strapped for cash, wouldn't cart the kids any great distance on a jolly. Brighton, or some such easy-to-reach place, would be the obvious destination. There is nowhere within easy reach of London with a rocky coastline and sinister caves.

Looks suitably dramatic though!

?????

Actually, not far from Brighton (close to Eastbourne, which is well connected to London, and has been for some time) you get the Seven Sisters with Beachy Head (highest cliff in the UK) .... OK, those are white chalk cliffs, but there should be places there on the south coast where you could find something reasonably fitting.

There are even some cliffs on the Suffolk coast, which isn't too far from London - though I am not sure whether anything would work for this scene (in the book, if not visually for the film).

Although yes, the description sounds rather like part of the Scottish or Welsh coast, although I am not quite sure why, beause it isn't very specific. In any case, in the film you'd want DARK cliffs, not white chalk cliffs, just because the white cliffs look far too friendly.

That's true. But then - the book scenario makes no sense either. A London orphanage, strapped for cash, wouldn't cart the kids any great distance on a jolly. Brighton, or some such easy-to-reach place, would be the obvious destination. There is nowhere within easy reach of London with a rocky coastline and sinister caves.

Looks suitably dramatic though!

The book specifically states that the orphanage only took the children to the village with the view of the sea. Riddle and his victims were the only ones who ventured to the beach and the cliffs. Riddle had an unusual amount of control over his underage magic, and I think he'd be able to leap or climb using his magic and guide the two kids as well.

I think the cliff was supposed to be impenetrable for muggles to climb or reach as Dumbledore says.

I agree that it looks perfect and nearly exactly as I imaged only BIGGER and more EPIC. :tu: I got CHILLS! Even the approaching shot of flying over the ocean was amazing!

I do find it odd that these shots of the cave are during day-time (or sunset I guess). It might just be that they will make it night-time in the final film through lighting but a part of me thinks that this might be a hint to a new scene. Perhaps we will get a flashback to Riddle leading those two children to the cave to torment them as we all speculated ages ago.

I've always felt the film needs to visually set up the cave early in the movie. Otherwise, it will just randomly appear at the end and the audience will have no inkling of how Dumbledore knows Voldemort stored a horcrux there.

The south coast of England, fairly near London, is popular, populated and domesticated. There are a few white chalk cliffs (at Dover of course, and the Seven Sisters), but it is "tame" landscape rather than the wild, isolated spot described by Rowling.

But we are being too literal! A sick woman would not have gone to an orphanage to give birth in London in the 30's. The scene is straight from Oliver Twist.

In other words: it's just a story.

Oh I want to go to seven sisters too, but anyway I imagine those cliffs were chosen purely out of cinematic reasons.

The south coast of England, fairly near London, is popular, populated and domesticated. There are a few white chalk cliffs (at Dover of course, and the Seven Sisters), but it is "tame" landscape rather than the wild, isolated spot described by Rowling.

But we are being too literal! A sick woman would not have gone to an orphanage to give birth in London in the 30's. The scene is straight from Oliver Twist.

In other words: it's just a story.

I don't live in the UK and I'm not too educated about the geography there, but does the book ever state that it is the south coast?

Anyway, I think Merope went to London to sell the locket to Borgin and Burkes for extra gold.

Sure, it is a story but I do not feel it is just a story. I believe in the value of stories.

I don't live in the UK so I'm not too educated about the geography there, but does the book ever state that it is the south coast?


No, but school/orphanage trips from London, before the motorways were built, would go to the south coast (Brighton a favourite) or the Kentish countryside or resorts (Folkestone, etc.). The railways were built to take Londoners to those places for a day's jolly. The orphanage is poor. They would be unlikely to cart kids considerable distances, or to isolated places without amenities.

But I think we are going into too much detail here. :)

No, but school/orphanage trips from London, before the motorways were built, would go to the south coast (Brighton a favourite) or the Kentish countryside or resorts (Folkestone, etc.). The railways were built to take Londoners to those places for a day's jolly. The orphanage is poor. They would be unlikely to cart kids considerable distances, or to isolated places without amenities.

But I think we are going into too much detail here. :)

I see. Well, perhaps there is one isolated portion of the coast that wizards have now placed memory befuddling charms around to render us muggles unable to see or remember any sort of landscape there. ;)

Hey, it is a story, remember? :p Anything is possible.

But I think you're right...we are getting off-topic now...:whistle:

heyy
i just saw the trailerr
it is awesomee
i have some doubts though

which scene is the one where hagrid is with all the studentss??
what am i missing

That is the 'tribute to Dumbledore' scene where they all clear away the Dark Mark :)

Honestly, I think the only girl that would work for a scene like that and be consistent with Harry's characterization from the books - as well as the story - would be Ginny. Had they left out the whole "but I am the chosen one" stuff and just had Harry checking Ginny out in the library, I think that would have been a lot better.
I think it will still be a humorous scene, but it really doesn't make sense for the girl he's checking out to be Romilda.


Hmm, that's a good point meesha. It would definitely have made more sense for Harry to be checking out Ginny rather than Romilda. If he was already interested in Romilda, then it wouldn't have made any sense for Romilda to give Harry the love potion tainted chocolate cauldrons. She wouldn't need to since he apparently is already attracted to her. I wonder how they will reconcile that.


As for the cave exterior, I think it looks fantastic!! When this new trailer opened with the cave, it got me excited immediately! It's just exactly how I pictured and I am glad that the nonreader audience gets introduced to it so early on. I wonder if they will have the part where Harry and Dumbledore are swimming to get to the cave entrance holding their wands in their mouths. That would be a nice detail to see.

Hmm, that's a good point meesha. It would definitely have made more sense for Harry to be checking out Ginny rather than Romilda. If he was already interested in Romilda, then it wouldn't have made any sense for Romilda to give Harry the love potion tainted chocolate cauldrons. She wouldn't need to since he apparently is already attracted to her. I wonder how they will reconcile that.

Unless Harry doesn't pay her any mind beyond that moment, so she gets desperate to get his attention. The bigger problem I see with him checking out Ginny in this particular scene is that we wouldn't be getting that same reaction out of Hermione, which is part of what makes it so funny.

New pics!

http://community.livejournal.com/hbpmoviepics/49694.html

I'm even less impressed with Greyback now, he just doesn't look like a imagined, maybe if his teeth looked more menacing. :grumble: However, I like what we see of teenage Tom Riddle, a bit younger than I expected, but that's fine. He does look like a older version of Fiennes nephew, so that's a plus. :tu: I don't know why, but I really like the pic of Dumbledore and Harry at the train station too, definitely my favorite of the pics.

WHAT THE? Fenir looks horrible! There better be dark lighting or something during his scenes because I do not want to look at that. The young Riddle is ok... Im sure many (cough female cough) fans are disappointed that Christian Coulson isnt back but he's simply aged too much I guess to pull off a teenager.

I love how Lavender is fussing over the necklace she got Ron for Christmas. They are a cute couple (even though when I first read HBP I was insanely irritated that it wasnt Ron/Hermione)

Dumbledore and Harry in the train station has a good feel :) Dumbledore is looking pretty good in this movie. I think I'll be happy.

Who's the lady in the green?

WHAT THE? Fenir looks horrible! There better be dark lighting or something during his scenes because I do not want to look at that. The young Riddle is ok... Im sure many (cough female cough) fans are disappointed that Christian Coulson isnt back but he's simply aged too much I guess to pull off a teenager. I very much disliked Coulson's performance in COS, I really did not like it at all. :no:
Who's the lady in the green?I'm wondering this myself.

Edit: Narcissa, apparently.

Ahahaha I literally burst out laughing when I saw Greyback. It's just as bad if not worse than their werewolf efforts in PoA which were appalling.

Cute pic of Ron and LavLav... haha Ron's necklace :rotfl:

Why is Tom Riddle so young? I thought he was supposed to be about 17 :huh:

I'm wondering this myself.

It's Narcissa Malfoy

Ahahaha I literally burst out laughing when I saw Greyback. It's just as bad if not worse than their werewolf efforts in PoA which were appalling.

Why is Tom Riddle so young? I thought he was supposed to be about 17

Wow, are you sirius? I'm worried this **** is gonna give me nightmares once I get to bed :eeep:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/normal_greyback_makeup_test_potterish.jpg


Yeah, Tom Riddle does look young. He's supposed to be 16 but he looks somewhere between 12-14 :hmm:

I know you guys don't like the topic, but I would like to state once more how apalled I am about Narcissa's hair. Not only that my own image of her is different (I can live with that difference between the pictures in my head and the film version very well), but that hairdo in itself is just ridiculous, and I don't think Narcissa's supposed to come across as ridiculous. This is a member of the Black family, Lucius' wife, Draco's mum - she's supposed to look dignified, isn't she?

As if the costume department had that motto "we need to include at least one ridiculous wig per movie" and now that they gave Alan Rickman a better one, they settled for Helen McRory to wear the fool's cap :p

New pics!

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I'm even less impressed with Greyback now, he just doesn't look like a imagined, maybe if his teeth looked more menacing. :grumble: However, I like what we see of teenage Tom Riddle, a bit younger than I expected, but that's fine. He does look like a older version of Fiennes nephew, so that's a plus. :tu: I don't know why, but I really like the pic of Dumbledore and Harry at the train station too, definitely my favorite of the pics.

1. Narcissa looks like a young sexy version of McGonagal from the 1950s.

2. seeing Dumbledore looking the way he does on an underground platform in slick modern blue filtering looks really silly

3. Greyback looks like something straight out of a sci-fi tv series from the early nineties.

Here is a comparison between all 3 Riddles :whistle:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/movies_hbp_teasercaps_53.jpg?t=1225265119http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/riddle_in_blood_prince_potterish.jpghttp://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/Riddleinhogwarts.jpg?t=1225268287

Just a random comment... Why did Tom change the part of his hair :p ... Its not a seamless transistion but close. I like the uniform of the middle Tom. :)

Just a random comment... Why did Tom change the part of his hair :p ... Its not a seamless transistion but close. I like the uniform of the middle Tom. :)

I don't know, the problem is that Coulson in CoS looks about 18 and Dillane in HBP looks at most 14 and they are BOTH supposed to be the SAME age (16/17) :shrug:

That's because Coulson was 23 when he played the part. The kid playing teenage Tom definitely looks the right age, if we're going for accuracy.

Hero Fiennes Tiffin looks like a 8 year old, Dillane looks like a 11 year old, and Coulson as a twenty year old, why are they making a mess of everything? :D

I did not know they added a scene to the movie! I heard that it is in this new trailer and that would explain why I did not know any of the scenes really. I was hoping for a more story driven trailer that foces on Young Tom Riddle and Harry with DD ...mabye somthing with the Inferi!

These pictures are a mixed bag. I like the younger Slughorn's hair and Noel Coward-style dressing gown, and Dumbledore looks suitably out of place on the platform, but Greyback looks bad, like something from Buffy season 1. Hopefully it looks better in the actual movie. The teeth look very odd.

I know you guys don't like the topic, but I would like to state once more how apalled I am about Narcissa's hair. Not only that my own image of her is different (I can live with that difference between the pictures in my head and the film version very well), but that hairdo in itself is just ridiculous, and I don't think Narcissa's supposed to come across as ridiculous. This is a member of the Black family, Lucius' wife, Draco's mum - she's supposed to look dignified, isn't she?

I don't understand the hair thing either. What IS that brunette hairpiece on top of her blonde locks? That's just totally bizarre. Are they going for a Cruella de Ville sort of look? I mean ... :no:

Other than that, I do actually like the way Helen looks as Narcissa very well indeed. :) She looks very blonde, very haughty, very haute couture. :agree: It's just that weird dark hairpiece. :whistle:

Re: the other photos, I like all the Tom Riddles. :cool:

Teenage Tom is apparently being played by Anna Popplewell's brother. (Queen Susan the Gentle, everyone. :p) I can see the family likeness. :)

I tend to find Voldemort more impressive in his original incarnation as Tom Riddle anyway. :whistle: The creepy young boy creeps me out more than Voldemort camping it up in his flowing robes. :lol: Although I do think Ralph is fabulous as Voldy, I hasten to add. :)

I don't understand the hair thing either. What IS that brunette hairpiece on top of her blonde locks? That's just totally bizarre. Are they going for a Cruella de Ville sort of look? I mean ... :no:



That's exactly who she looks like to me... I'm really starting not to like this look they've come up for her. :(

Why the blazer? :huh: Also little Tom and middle Tom look nothing alike. They look the same age also, but that's just a minor thing...

I know you guys don't like the topic, but I would like to state once more how apalled I am about Narcissa's hair. Not only that my own image of her is different (I can live with that difference between the pictures in my head and the film version very well), but that hairdo in itself is just ridiculous, and I don't think Narcissa's supposed to come across as ridiculous. This is a member of the Black family, Lucius' wife, Draco's mum - she's supposed to look dignified, isn't she?

I agree. I always pictured her as being really tall with bleach blonde hair and a kinda hawk-like face. Long nose, piercing eyes etc.

Did anyone else besides me notice that Dumbledore does not have a dead hand in that picture with the train station?

Geez, I thought Narcissa was McGonagall for a moment. :lol:

Fenrir, what can I say. My favorite bad guy is a little disappointing.

Hmm I actually hadn't noticed that about his hand. I like the blue filter though (unlike someone else who commented). Wonder how they'll explain that...

Why the blazer? :huh:

Why not the blazer? :) He can wear that under his school robes. ;)

Also little Tom and middle Tom look nothing alike. They look the same age also, but that's just a minor thing...

Middle Tom does look somewhat older. As for looking nothing alike, I disagree. :) I think that's quite good casting.

I agree. I always pictured her as being really tall with bleach blonde hair and a kinda hawk-like face. Long nose, piercing eyes etc.

Narcissa is supposed to be beautiful though. :) Where would the long nose come from? :p

I like to imagine her with ash-blonde hair, myself. ;)

about Dumbledore's hand... He's definitely holding it in the picture. Maybe that's there way of doing a dead hand? That's actually one of the first things I noticed. Anyway, I'm absolutely in love with the Ron/Lavender picture. It completely encompasses their relationship! Doting girlfriend and a boy who kind of likes it but isn't sure why at this point :p Oh how the tides will turn.

Im loving the pictures i really love the young Tom pics and the slughorn ones.
I do have one question i hope someone can answer. Whats the scene with DD and Harry in the underground all about?

I know they have added scenes but which scene is this picture a part of.

Anyone?

Im loving the pictures i really love the young Tom pics and the slughorn ones.
I do have one question i hope someone can answer. Whats the scene with DD and Harry in the underground all about?

I know they have added scenes but which scene is this picture a part of.

Anyone?

I would take a guess and say that it is either when they are on their way to Slughorn's after Dumbledore finds Harry at the cafe.

Or it is in a memory in the Pensieve.

^ I was wondering that too lol. I dont remember an underground scene in the book or being mentioned. Would love to know too.

I love the middle toms outfit- very sliming :lol:

Narcissa looks very regal which is great but I hate her hair- why oh why is it two colors!

Narcissa's two toned hair is unfortunate...but other than that I LOVE her photo. Her facial expression, and her wardrobe, both fit my mental image quite well. :)

Some of these are VERY good....

I love the younger Slughorn.... and the Dumbledore-on-the-Underground one is nioce, too (although I'd be grateful if someone in the know could explain its significant).

Ron and Lav is hilarious. I like Ron's slightly confused 'cat-that-has-got-the-cream' look. :D Very appropriate. :D



I am not happy with the Narcissa picture. The wardrobe seems fine, but what's with the ridiculous make-up? Narcissa, surely, is supposed to be stylish rather than ridiculously OTT? And she actually looks a good deal older than Helen McCrory (and Lucius!!) in this weird get-up. The hair is really beyond the pale. What were they thinking?


And Fenrir..... <sigh>

I wonder - perhaps this is him halfway through transformation or something? The actor who plays him actually looked perfectly good for the part in his normal pictures (perhaps a bit too good looking - but generally right for the part)....

But then, perhaps that's just me....

What bugs me about the cave, is that it would be impossibile for a wandless child and two muggle children to reach it.
It's a ******* vertical wall!

Well, it's also "impossible" for a kid to turn his teacher's hair blue, jump to the top of a building, make his hair grow back overnight, and make the glass in a snake's cage disappear. Harry did all of those things without a wand. Not to mention Fred turning Ron's teddy bear into a spider without a wand, Lily making flowers dance and floating down from jumping off the swing without a wand, Snape attacking Petunia by dropping a tree branch on her head without a wand - and so on and so forth. It's magic. Riddle was shown to have an unusual amount of control over his power at such a young age - he realized he could do those things and actually did them on purpose whereas most of the magical children growing up in the muggle world don't realize that. Riddle used magic to help himself and the other two children make the climb down.

Unless Harry doesn't pay her any mind beyond that moment, so she gets desperate to get his attention. The bigger problem I see with him checking out Ginny in this particular scene is that we wouldn't be getting that same reaction out of Hermione, which is part of what makes it so funny.

They could easily have had Hermione chastising Harry about distracting Ginny from studying - which was actually in the book - instead of chastising him for considering using his fame to get girls.

Wow, are you sirius? I'm worried this **** is gonna give me nightmares once I get to bed :eeep:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/normal_greyback_makeup_test_potterish.jpg

I know. That is awesome! I love it. It looks like he is permanently stuck in the middle of his transformation. That's really close to how I pictured Greyback because he was not transformed, but still had a wolf-like appearance in the book.

Yeah, Tom Riddle does look young. He's supposed to be 16 but he looks somewhere between 12-14 :hmm:

It's hard to say. He does look young there, but maybe he's a bit taller than that picture shows? That would help. I think this is a bit more accurate because Coulson looked more like he was 18 than 16.

I am not happy with the Narcissa picture. The wardrobe seems fine, but what's with the ridiculous make-up? Narcissa, surely, is supposed to be stylish rather than ridiculously OTT? And she actually looks a good deal older than Helen McCrory (and Lucius!!) in this weird get-up. The hair is really beyond the pale. What were they thinking?



Maybe this is "crazed Narcissa". Remember she had a crazed expression in the book during Spinner's End.

I had a theory awhile back that maybe with Narcissa's hair they are going for a sibling reversal between her and Bella. Bella had a light streak in her black hair, so maybe they thought this was some subtle (or not so subtle:)) way of showing they are sisters but have differences, in their motivations and such.

I think the pic with the werewolf can't be accurately judged as to the effect it will have in the movie, because the lighting is so bright, especially with the white background. In the movie, we will only be seeing him in the nighttime, and so the lighting won't be so daytime bright. Seeing the other picture of him waiting in the reeds during the burrow attack scene, and then growling in the teaser, I think he will be perfectly scary, in a creepy way. I don't scare easily at all, but thinking of being in those reeds and hearing growling, and then seeing this big, burly, hairy, growling, freaky looking thing half hidden waiting for me would be sufficiently frightening.

I'm so glad they didn't show the inferi. I really want that to be a creepy surprise in the movie. And since I obviously can't keep myself from pictures and spoilers, I need them to keep it from me:).

Narcissa looks too old and nice. I pictured her looking younger. And Fenrir looks like, well, that giant worm from that one episode of Spongebob
http://spongepedia.bimserver.com/images/thumb/4/4b/Alaskanischer_stierwurm.jpg/180px-Alaskanischer_stierwurm.jpg

Narcissa is supposed to be beautiful though. :) Where would the long nose come from? :p


Personally, I do find long noses the most beautiful sort :D

Personally, I do find long noses the most beautiful sort :D

:rotfl:

*eyes Fleur's avatar and siggy pic* :p

yes, of course. ;)

But apart from the weird brunette streak/hairpiece/whatever, I actually think Helen looks really good as Narcissa. She has that icy, haughty look to perfection. :)

All of the pictures look really good. Except now that I finally got a better look at the boy they've got playing young Tom Riddle, I don't think he quite fits the part. He just doesn't look like it.

Why couldn't she just be more like how she looks in this image, but with a rich, layered, dark clothing style similar to Lucius' look? Blond hair seems to suit her just fine, so it's not like I'd believe them if they came up with some kind of excuse about McRory not looking good with plain blonde hair.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/319/tn5001nn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

More new photos...

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-harry-ron-dumbledore-half-blood-prince-photos-59935/

Not very exciting, but I like the pic of Dumbledore and also the last one of Harry. :tu:

^^ Hey, they are better than nothing! :lol: I really like the last one of Harry too. The first one of Ron isn't new, but it's still cute. :)

Ooh, I really like that black and white picture of Harry. And the last picture of Harry is really cool too.

These pictures are somewhat... well... *yawn* but it is better than nothing!

1. Narcissa looks like a young sexy version of McGonagal from the 1950s.

2. seeing Dumbledore looking the way he does on an underground platform in slick modern blue filtering looks really silly

3. Greyback looks like something straight out of a sci-fi tv series from the early nineties.
OH MY GOSH! She really does!!:err::tu:

Don't know where that comment came from, but personally, I think that's about right...

Oh my. I missed the young sexy version of McGonagall comment. :lol: :lol:

Hey, Greyback looks cool! I just hope they stay away from the zoom lense for the movie. LOL

Wow, first a new trailer and now new pics; I really like the look of Greyback (he'll look even better and creepier in darker scenes) and Narcissa, aside from the odd Cruella-do, looks about right. I love the pic of Hermione and Ron (looking out the window?) because it reminds me so much of the back cover to HBP:tu: Now if they can just release some images of the Inferi I'll be satisfied.

More new photos...

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-harry-ron-dumbledore-half-blood-prince-photos-59935/

Not very exciting, but I like the pic of Dumbledore and also the last one of Harry. :tu:
The last two pictures are actually kind of old, but the others are new. They look cool.

Ah ha, now I learned they added that scene with them running through the feilds. I thought that part in the trailer looked unfamiliar. I was like what is this "Harry Potter and the children of the corn"? Lol.

I think these films have enough trouble keeping scenes in from the books, so WHY add scenes not from the books?

I am guessing it is to put more action in the film? I know there was some backlash for HBP book for lacking action.

Ah ha, now I learned they added that scene with them running through the feilds. I thought that part in the trailer looked unfamiliar. I was like what is this "Harry Potter and the children of the corn"? Lol.

I think these films have enough trouble keeping scenes in from the books, so WHY add scenes not from the books?

I am guessing it is to put more action in the film? I know there was some backlash for HBP book for lacking action.

If it works, like adding action to the first task in GoF, than there's no problem thought it might be overkill if they're too heavy handed as this is not augmenting a scene but creating one.

This doesn't seem to be adressed yet, but there is a new interview with Heyman on the sites where he says that the film is complete, except one minor tweak - I'd be VERy interested to know what it is...

(Love all the new pics, btw :D)

This doesn't seem to be adressed yet, but there is a new interview with Heyman on the sites where he says that the film is complete, except one minor tweak - I'd be VERy interested to know what it is...

(Love all the new pics, btw :D)

Perhaps it is this:

According to Mugglenet:
Coming Soon also had a quick interview with David Thewlis in the same article. He says that the romance between Tonks and Lupin will be set up in Half-Blod Prince in preparation for Deathly Hallows.

Edit: I really have no theory to back this up other than they might be adding a bit more scenes of relationship with Tonks and Lupin just to prepare for Deathly Hallows.

This doesn't seem to be adressed yet, but there is a new interview with Heyman on the sites where he says that the film is complete, except one minor tweak - I'd be VERy interested to know what it is...

(Love all the new pics, btw :D)I wonder what it is too, I hope they're not cutting anything (except to maybe tone down the romance a bit), I'm guessing they might add a scene that wasn't seen in the rought cut.

*crosses fingers for DADA scene*

Heyman also said that they will not put together the whole film until six weeks before the premiere due to security reasons-to prevent the movie to be leaked (since a LOT has been leaked already e.g. international trailer).

They leak the majority of the stuff themselves, if they didn't they'd be complaining, though the reasoning behind this supposed reluctance to put it together makes perfect sense. It's one thing to have certain scenes exposed, having the whole film together would require limited copies under massive lock and key.

This doesn't seem to be adressed yet, but there is a new interview with Heyman on the sites where he says that the film is complete, except one minor tweak - I'd be VERy interested to know what it is...

(Love all the new pics, btw :D)

That's really interesting. I wonder what that tweak could be? Given Heyman's comment that they could have the film ready for release tomorrow and the fact that nearly all the actors are involved with other projects at the moment, it seems unlikely that they are filming anything new. But if Yates filmed a lot of footage like he did with OOTP - I believe he filmed over 3 hours of footage for that - then they should have plenty to work with. I just hope they aren't talking about cutting anything because, from the test screening, it seems what they have so far is pretty good.

*crossesfingersfordobby*

Dobby is a small tweak. So what does everyone else think it could be?

I hope everyone isn't sick of all these pictures yet (:lol:) because a couple more have surfaced :p

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-harry-ginny-hogwarts-half-blood-prince-photos-59953/

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/hg154456ys6kd0.jpghttp://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/mortedumbledoremt4or6.jpg

Thanks for posting those! :)

All I have to say to the first one is eeeeewwww... I wouldn't want to be standing in that! Otherwise, it's a cool shot. :)

As for the second one... I'm guessing Hagrid hadn't been CGIed in yet? :lol:

As for the second one... I'm guessing Hagrid hadn't been CGIed in yet? :lol:

Sounds right. :D

What's the scene though? I think it might be where Dumbledore fell from the Tower.

[QUOTE=Pearl_Took;5169562]I don't understand the hair thing either. What IS that brunette hairpiece on top of her blonde locks? That's just totally bizarre. Are they going for a Cruella de Ville sort of look? I mean ... :no:

Other than that, I do actually like the way Helen looks as Narcissa very well indeed. :) She looks very blonde, very haughty, very haute couture. :agree: It's just that weird dark hairpiece. :whistle:QUOTE]

I'm pretty disappointed with Narcissa's hair too. It was so well described in the book. I can't see why they would mess with it like that. It is very cruela de ville! I always pictured her to be pretty in an icy way, with long light blonde locks. Hopefully her acting will compensate for the odd look they gave her.

As for greyback, he looks okay. I think it will be different when we see him in that dark lighting. At least he looks more sinister imho than the werewolves we had in PoA.


Teenage Tom is apparently being played by Anna Popplewell's brother. (Queen Susan the Gentle, everyone. :p) I can see the family likeness. :)

Really? I liked anna's portrayal of susan so hopefully her brother can do this role justice. I do agree though that he looks a bit young. I actually liked christian coulson a lot. It's a shame he was considered too old to reprise the role.

As for the other pics, I liked ron with lavender actually. It looks like another funny scene :lol:

It's really torture to be getting all this, when the movie is still 9 months away instead of 3 wks away- but I guess it's better than nothing.

I hope everyone isn't sick of all these pictures yet (:lol:) because a couple more have surfaced :p

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-harry-ginny-hogwarts-half-blood-prince-photos-59953/

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/hg154456ys6kd0.jpghttp://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/mortedumbledoremt4or6.jpg


Thanks for the pics lc.

I like the Harry and Ginny photo standing in the reeds. This burrow scene may be pretty good after all!

As for the second, my guess is that it may be the scene the test screeners mentioned after dumbledore falls and everyone lights their wands.

Perhaps it is this:

According to Mugglenet:


Edit: I really have no theory to back this up other than they might be adding a bit more scenes of relationship with Tonks and Lupin just to prepare for Deathly Hallows.

That actually makes sense to me.:)

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is what they were doing.

I don't think we saw much of a love romance thing with Tonks and Lupin in HBP. It was there, but it wasn't particularly obvious and knowing WB, the little moments where it comes together might have been cut out. So it makes perfect sense if that's what they're tweaking (to add it in).:)

I just hope they start on filming DH quickly so we won't have 25 year olds playing just-17-year-olds. I know there will always be an age skew between the actors and the characters, but I just hope they hurry and start so it won't be uber obvious.:relax:

Well, they want to have these out soon (2010, 2011).... If they shoot them back-to-back, that would probably happen sometime in 2009. I just checked the trio actors' dates of birth - in 2009 Rupert turns 21, Dan turns 20 and Emma will be 19. That's not too far off, IMHO. :)


It's amazing that they actually managed the whole series in just ten years for the seven it takes in the books. :tu:

I hope the 'small tweak' is explaining the Half-Blood Prince! It's the film title, you can't just have him blurt out that he is the Prince and walk away. People need to understand where that comes from or it's just random and would mean nothing and might be confusing, IMO. I feel the Eileen Prince story needs to be briefly touched upon in this movie.

Teenage Tom is apparently being played by Anna Popplewell's brother. (Queen Susan the Gentle, everyone. ) I can see the family likeness.

IMDB says 18 year old Tom is being played by Michael Berendt (borin in '84 which makes him almost 24!!!) unless I'm missing something...

Oh my gosh! I can barely contain my excitement!!! Tonks and Lupin are going to have a romance between them! AHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Oh my goodness! I barely kept myself from screaming. This is so awesome.

Well, they want to have these out soon (2010, 2011).... If they shoot them back-to-back, that would probably happen sometime in 2009. I just checked the trio actors' dates of birth - in 2009 Rupert turns 21, Dan turns 20 and Emma will be 19. That's not too far off, IMHO. :)


It's amazing that they actually managed the whole series in just ten years for the seven it takes in the books. :tu:

I agree with you on all counts. The actors are fine age-wise and I think these films have been an impressive feat of movie making regardless of how one feels about their quality.

Filming begins for DH in Feb. 2009, I believe.

I hope the 'small tweak' is explaining the Half-Blood Prince! It's the film title, you can't just have him blurt out that he is the Prince and walk away. People need to understand where that comes from or it's just random and would mean nothing and might be confusing, IMO. I feel the Eileen Prince story needs to be briefly touched upon in this movie.

I might agree with you here, unless it ends up being one of those things where people start asking, "Why did he call himself the Half-Blood Prince?" and expect to find out in the next movie. If they place it in the Prince's Tale for example it might be OK or introduce it in some other fashion... Though it should be in HBP since it's the title of the film and all... If it had to not be there I do think it might be OK, as long as they remember to pick up the thread, otherwise it's rather random. It will only look like young Sev wanted to have an impressive name, rather than have more significance.

IMDB says 18 year old Tom is being played by Michael Berendt (borin in '84 which makes him almost 24!!!) unless I'm missing something...
Teenage Tom is apparently being played by Anna Popplewell's brother. (Queen Susan the Gentle, everyone. ) I can see the family likeness.

Well, 18 yr old Riddle's HANDS are being played by him :lol: :p

From the list:

However, there will be a scene (http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/exclusive-confirmed-two-teenage-tom-riddles-half-blood-prince-57426/) with a pair of hands stealing Hufflepuff’s Cup:
So what will Berendt be doing in the film as 18-year old Tom Riddle? His role merely consists of a pair of hands stealing the Hufflepuff cup – that's it. The actor has no dialogue and no face time on screen

Oh, and about the Anna Popplewell/Queen Susan (I have no friggen clue what/who this is) it sounds to me as if Pearl Took was making a joke and executed it very poorly, which apparently has confused a few people :whistle:

Anyways, to clear up this confusion...it was confirmed in the WB press release (http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=213122) that FRANK DILLANE is playing Teenage Tom Riddle :p

I hope everyone isn't sick of all these pictures yet (:lol:) because a couple more have surfaced :p

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-harry-ginny-hogwarts-half-blood-prince-photos-59953/

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/mortedumbledoremt4or6.jpg

:tu:

To clear up what the scene is:

Test screening viewers tell us of the discovery of Dumbledore’s body
Harry then returns to find the whole school gathered around Dumbledore's body, McGonagall in the front completely stunned and silent. Harry kneels down at Dumbledore's side, brushes a hair out of his face and finds the locket, but does not open it. Clutching the locket He starts to cry and Ginny goes and holds him also crying. Then following McGonagall's lead, everyone lights there wand (I think they all murmur something in unison but I can't remember what) and slowly raise them as one in the air. Final shot of that scene is from above with all the lighted wands surrounding the tower, Dumbledore, Harry and Ginny

The scene with Dumbledore's body at the foot of the tower is very, very cool... I cried. Everyone is gathered around - I mean, lots of students, faculty, etc. Harry is next to the body, crying, and Ginny is comforting him - all of the others are keeping a respectful distance. Someone - I don't remember whom - raises their wand in the air, lighted up at the tip, and everyone else slowly follows suit as the camera pans out until all you can see are the lighted tips of the raised wands

Oh, and Cho IS in HBP (she's in the picture there), but I think she''ll be an 'extra'.

I take it Flitwick does not receive a blow to the head as he is standing there with the rest of the crew at the end.

I might agree with you here, unless it ends up being one of those things where people start asking, "Why did he call himself the Half-Blood Prince?" and expect to find out in the next movie. If they place it in the Prince's Tale for example it might be OK or introduce it in some other fashion... Though it should be in HBP since it's the title of the film and all... If it had to not be there I do think it might be OK, as long as they remember to pick up the thread, otherwise it's rather random. It will only look like young Sev wanted to have an impressive name, rather than have more significance.

It won't make sense unless they have Hermione find out about Eileen. I don't see why they wouldn't do that if they have the Sectumsempra scene in. That would necessitate the book and at least a little worry over using it prior to Harry doing so, by Hermione, I'd think. But you have to remember too, although many have read the books, some people haven't and they honestly have no idea what will happen. They have remained pretty much unspoiled except for the fact that Harry lives (most of that group). So these people can be kept in the dark about what side Snape is on when he kills Dumbledore and live in wonder till the last movie. Thus, they may play down a lot more than the books did in order not to give it away. Still, the plot needs the book for Draco I'd think, so I think they would explain all of that - at least with a quick sentence from Hermione. Is Sectumsempra even in? It is possible to leave it out of course. But it was a monumental moment for Harry in the book because up to that point he believed himself capable of no great wrong and using an untried curse was just that. That paves the way for his use of dark spells later in the book and also the one against Carrow. But they could technically leave all that out too and simply make him Mr. Hero man - they have already knifed his character enough so he's a bit shadier than in the books anyway, in general, imo. So no one would think him perfect if they left all of that out. But I thought I read somewhere that they filmed Sectumsempra. I may be mistaken on that though.

Is Sectumsempra even in?

The test screeners stated that it was in. Not only was it in, but it was followed by a scene in the RoR in which Ginny helps Harry to hide the book, and they kiss. So unless they don't even plan to get in a kiss between that couple, I think it is staying. :)

Oh, and about the Anna Popplewell/Queen Susan (I have no friggen clue what/who this is) it sounds to me as if Pearl Took was making a joke and executed it very poorly, which apparently has confused a few people :whistle:

Sheesh, I was misinformed, is all. :lol:

And haven't people read Narnia? :whistle: Anna Popplewell plays Susan in the Narnia films. The source of my misinformation (that her brother was playing the middle version of Tom Riddle) was another poster on another HP site, so blame them, not me. :lol:

So once more for my own clarification: the kid in the 'middle' (of the pics we discussed) is Frank Dillane, yes?

Wow, I love that second picture with Ron and Hermione there! And I didn't even see Cho until someone pointed her out. :lol: Guess I need look at the pictures more than just look at one part!

I like the picture with Harry and Ginny too, but it looks like there is a lot of lighting, IMO. Maybe it is just me. *shrug*

Gosh I haven't posted here in a while.

Where can I find this pic with Frank Dillane?
And also who is suppposed to cast the dark mark? I thought it was already cast before Harry and Dumbledore get there? Will we see what is going on at the castle while Harry isn't there?

So once more for my own clarification: the kid in the 'middle' (of the pics we discussed) is Frank Dillane, yes?

Yes, sorry I should have labeled them last time :) Here they are with a Halloween flair :cool:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/movies_hbp_teasercaps_53-3.jpg?t=1225476111http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/riddle_in_blood_prince_potterish-2.jpg?t=1225476011http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/Riddleinhogwarts-2.jpg?t=1225476621

Actors actual (current) ages:

Hero Fiennes Tiffin- Age 10

Frank Dillane- Age 19

Christian Coulson- Age 30

Frank looks too young for 16, or maybe it is just me.

I suppose that picture is from a Slughorn memory?

Frank looks too young for 16, or maybe it is just me.

I suppose that picture is from a Slughorn memory?

I think he looks realistic for sixteen. Most times when an adolescent is embodied by an actor on screen, they look much too old. Coulson looked too old for being sixteen, but got away with it because we're all so used to the older actors getting those parts. To give some examples of what I mean: Breckin Meyer, playing a sixteen-year-old in Clueless, was in fact 21. Judd Nelson of Breakfast Club was a twenty-six-year-old acting the highschool kid. Jonah Hill, graduating High School in Superbad was 24 when playing the part.

Hero Fiennes Tiffin- Age 10

Ralph's nephew.

What a name to lumber a kid with!

I think he looks realistic for sixteen. Most times when an adolescent is embodied by an actor on screen, they look much too old. Coulson looked too old for being sixteen, but got away with it because we're all so used to the older actors getting those parts. To give some examples of what I mean: Breckin Meyer, playing a sixteen-year-old in Clueless, was in fact 21. Judd Nelson of Breakfast Club was a twenty-six-year-old acting the highschool kid. Jonah Hill, graduating High School in Superbad was 24 when playing the part.

:agree: And the woman who played 16-year-old Liesl in Sound of Music was 21...

Anyway, the images of the three Riddles at different ages look good to me, and I agree about the new 16-year-old Riddle: looks more closer to sixteen, despite the inconstancy with the CoS 16-year-old Riddle.

:agree: And the woman who played 16-year-old Liesl in Sound of Music was 21...

Anyway, the images of the three Riddles at different ages look good to me, and I agree about the new 16-year-old Riddle: looks more closer to sixteen, despite the inconstancy with the CoS 16-year-old Riddle.

I kinda think, even though the two are ages apart, that Christian and Frank look similar, especially in the appearance of Tom Riddle. Anyone else see that?

I don't know if it was a mistake or not, but Andrew on Mugglenet referred to that picture with Ron, Hermione, McGonagall and the group of students, that McGonagall was creating the Dark Mark. :lol: People keep thinking McGonagall is cursing something, but I happen to think, and I know that people on here have also said it, that it is Dumbledore's Memorial at the bottom of the tower. In fact, it looks like behind the group of students, that that is the bottom part of the tower

I kinda think, even though the two are ages apart, that Christian and Frank look similar, especially in the appearance of Tom Riddle. Anyone else see that?

I personally think that HBP 16 year old Riddle and 10 year old Riddle look very similar to each other-nearly the spitting image if I say so. :whistle:

I kinda think, even though the two are ages apart, that Christian and Frank look similar, especially in the appearance of Tom Riddle. Anyone else see that?

I don't know if it was a mistake or not, but Andrew on Mugglenet referred to that picture with Ron, Hermione, McGonagall and the group of students, that McGonagall was creating the Dark Mark. :lol: People keep thinking McGonagall is cursing something, but I happen to think, and I know that people on here have also said it, that it is Dumbledore's Memorial at the bottom of the tower. In fact, it looks like behind the group of students, that that is the bottom part of the tower

I think getting rid of the Dark Mark would be more likely ;)

and actually one of the test screen viewers said something along these lines:



malfoy corners dumbledor and harry watches from under the floor. the death eaters surround him and tell him to kill dumbledor but he can't. snape busts in and dumbledor says "please" and snape kills him. the death eaters take off and dumbledor falls from a high window. the entire school surrounds him and harry cries in ginny's arms. everyone raises their wands to get rid of the Dark Mark. harry and the gang vow to get the rest of the horecrux things

However, I think it's just McGonagall that vanishes the Dark Mark (not everyone) since she'd most likely be the only one with the magical knowledge for that. Then after the dark mark is gone, the rest of them join in raising their wands ceremoniously conducting a sort of "wandlight vigil" :hmm:

I suppose we could ask Rachel to clarify this :whistle:


And yes, that does look like it's the courtyard at the base of the Astronomy Tower they built as we saw in the helicopter footage:

http://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/FilmingLocations/LeavesdenStudiosSets/normal_hbp_set_leavsdenstudios_006.jpghttp://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/FilmingLocations/LeavesdenStudiosSets/normal_hbp_set_leavsdenstudios_009.jpg
http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/mortedumbledoremt4or6.jpghttp://media.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/films/HBP/Previews/HBPTrailer2Caps/normal_hbp_promo_trailer2_069.jpg

Wow, I love that second picture with Ron and Hermione there! And I didn't even see Cho until someone pointed her out. :lol: Guess I need look at the pictures more than just look at one part!

I like the picture with Harry and Ginny too, but it looks like there is a lot of lighting, IMO. Maybe it is just me. *shrug*
Is that Cho then? I thought it could be Katie Bell.

Is that courtyard a new, different part of the castle? The reason I ask is because there's grass on the ground, as opposed to stone, which is usually the courtyard we see in the films. I remember there being a similiar courtyard to this in GOF, as well... Hmm.

Does anything think this tweak may be doing Dumbledore's death a little differently? Perhaps they shot it a extra scene that makes it more clear that Snape is the one who kills Dumbledore (I was looking at several different reviews yesterday and one review in particular said that while you know Snape is the one who kills him, the way it's shot doesn't make it very clear), and I'm not sure about the idea of him falling out of a window. It depends on how they do it, of course, I'm just slightly worried.

Is that courtyard a new, different part of the castle? The reason I ask is because there's grass on the ground, as opposed to stone, which is usually the courtyard we see in the films. I remember there being a similiar courtyard to this in GOF, as well... Hmm.

Does anything think this tweak may be doing Dumbledore's death a little differently? Perhaps they shot it a extra scene that makes it more clear that Snape is the one who kills Dumbledore (I was looking at several different reviews yesterday and one review in particular said that while you know Snape is the one who kills him, the way it's shot doesn't make it very clear), and I'm not sure about the idea of him falling out of a window. It depends on how they do it, of course, I'm just slightly worried.

It is my belief that this is a new courtyard, It looks a bit different from the courtyard in GoF.

As for the tweak - I really don't want to think what it could be, cos it is so likely NOT to be that. :lol:

I think he looks realistic for sixteen. Most times when an adolescent is embodied by an actor on screen, they look much too old. Coulson looked too old for being sixteen, but got away with it because we're all so used to the older actors getting those parts. To give some examples of what I mean: Breckin Meyer, playing a sixteen-year-old in Clueless, was in fact 21. Judd Nelson of Breakfast Club was a twenty-six-year-old acting the highschool kid. Jonah Hill, graduating High School in Superbad was 24 when playing the part.

That's why I've never had a problem with Dan, Rupe, and Emma eventually being older that HRH.

Wow, I love that second picture with Ron and Hermione there! And I didn't even see Cho until someone pointed her out. :lol: Guess I need look at the pictures more than just look at one part!



I didn't even notice Cho there either :lol: I thought she was cut since they did use katie bell for the necklace seen. It's nice there is some continuity for her. I didn't really care for the way the Cho/Harry relationship was resolved in the ootp movie, but I guess it wasn't really necessary to elaborate much more in HBP since- at least from the test screeners and the previews- Harry has clearly moved on (the waitress, Romilda, Ginny, etc.) :lol:

I kinda think, even though the two are ages apart, that Christian and Frank look similar, especially in the appearance of Tom Riddle. Anyone else see that?


I agree with that :agree:

Hero also matches in very well IMO.

It is my belief that this is a new courtyard, It looks a bit different from the courtyard in GoF.

As for the tweak - I really don't want to think what it could be, cos it is so likely NOT to be that. :lol:You're probably right, but I hope they don't screw it up. Seeing as none of the other reviewers complained, I hope it's just that one person.

I didn't even notice Cho there either :lol: I thought she was cut since they did use katie bell for the necklace seen. It's nice there is some continuity for her. I didn't really care for the way the Cho/Harry relationship was resolved in the ootp movie, but I guess it wasn't really necessary to elaborate much more in HBP since- at least from the test screeners and the previews- Harry has clearly moved on (the waitress, Romilda, Ginny, etc.) :lol:

Katie Leung confirmed that she is included in HBP and Cho's issue will also be resolved in the movie. I think they may have filmed her scenes but cut them out later, so she just appears as an extra.

They're so close to the end they're not going to give a second thought to a character like Cho, they really can't afford to at this point considering everything else that has to be set up.

Yes, sorry I should have labeled them last time :) Here they are with a Halloween flair :cool:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/movies_hbp_teasercaps_53-3.jpg?t=1225476111http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/riddle_in_blood_prince_potterish-2.jpg?t=1225476011http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/Riddleinhogwarts-2.jpg?t=1225476621

Actors actual (current) ages:

Hero Fiennes Tiffin- Age 10

Frank Dillane- Age 19

Christian Coulson- Age 30
Dillane kind of looks the part. I mean he really looks like an older version of Tiffin. That is good though because we need them to look kind of the same. I still think Coulson was the best and probably will always be the best Tom Riddle. He looks exactly how I imagined him to be and he's cute. :love: I really like Tiffin though, from what I've seen in the trailer.

Does anyone happen to know the running time of the movie. I mean people have seen a test screening so how long was that and will that be similer to to finished movie.

Anyone?

It is my belief that this is a new courtyard, It looks a bit different from the courtyard in GoF.

The courtyard in GOF where the whole ferret scene happens is a real location 9new College Cloisters, Oxford) - this set has some similarities, but the way it is designed, I don't think that it is even meant to be the same place.... :)


I guess Hogwarts has lots of courtyards, and we haven't yet seen all of them.... or if we have, it is probably capable of sprouting new ones, if necessary ;)


Am I the only one who never quite got her head round the topography of the movie castle?

Does anyone happen to know the running time of the movie. I mean people have seen a test screening so how long was that and will that be similer to to finished movie.

Anyone?

Well, all the screeners said it was about 2.5 hrs, whether or not this will be the running time for the finished product remains to seen.

For OotP the test screening viewers noted it was 2.5 hrs as well (without credits) and the finished product was chopped down at least 15 minutes, because the running time was barely over 2 hrs :grumble: (longest book made into the shortest movie...ridiculous)

So, I am hoping this is not the case with HBP and that they ADD rather than CUT...but I guess we'll just have to wait and pray :whistle:

I was reading some test screening reviews of GOF, and one of the reviews said the film was 2 hours 15 minutes, saying it was the shortest of the movies... yet the theatrical release of the film was the second longest of the series. I'd hope they do the same for HBP, except adding scenes that deal with the plot or are necessary, as opposed to more romance/comedy.

Does anyone happen to know the running time of the movie. I mean people have seen a test screening so how long was that and will that be similer to to finished movie.

Anyone?
I'm estimating it to be around two and a half to three hours.

I'm estimating it to be around two and a half to three hours.

That would be pushing it even for a HP film. Part of what people hated about COS was it was overlong and not really having a clear message or theme, so if HBP is to do well after such a backlash with the release date change, then I saw a film just tipping over two hours is enough.

Most of the pictures that Ive seen displayed throughtout Mugglenet are looking really good! I think they might actually do a good job on this movie, and I'm extremely looking forward to it come July! :D However, I seen the most recent pictures on Mugglenet and I don't understand why Harry and Ginny appear to be standing in a swamp. :err: Also, why is it assumed that McGonagall was firing the Dark Mark? Did I miss something there? :hmm:

I don't understand why Harry and Ginny appear to be standing in a swamp. :err:

Yeah, the swamp confused me as well. Does anybody know if that is typical of the area where the Weasley's live?

Also, why is it assumed that McGonagall was firing the Dark Mark? Did I miss something there? :hmm:

She is not firing a dark mark, but the lightning-like spell someone shoots off int eh courtyard full of Hogwarts folks in the trailer. The shot takes maybe a couple of seconds to pan in to her and past her to Hagrid before the spell is cast, but if you watch for it carefully, you can see she already has her wand raised.

A screencap, with her in the lower center of the image:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/zina123/HP%20Stuff/McG.jpg

Yeah, the swamp confused me as well. Does anybody know if that is typical of the area where the Weasley's live?

I have no idea where the Weasleys live - I don't think it's ever said. But Anglia - and I'm going by the name of their car now, since I've got nothing else to go by - is a "swampish" region. I believe it is called "Fens".

Most of the pictures that Ive seen displayed throughtout Mugglenet are looking really good! I think they might actually do a good job on this movie, and I'm extremely looking forward to it come July! :D However, I seen the most recent pictures on Mugglenet and I don't understand why Harry and Ginny appear to be standing in a swamp. :err: Also, why is it assumed that McGonagall was firing the Dark Mark? Did I miss something there? :hmm:

To make that :hmm: go away :p

The swamp picture is part of the 'Battle of the burrow' scene added for the film (a good addition imo :p) and the swamp is part of the burrow exterior.

The second picture is of McG casting a spell to CLEAR the Drak Mark AWAY (Mugglenet stuffed that up :lol:). It is from the 'tribute to Dumbledore' scene after he dies. :)

I didn't even notice Cho there either :lol: I thought she was cut since they did use katie bell for the necklace seen. It's nice there is some continuity for her. I didn't really care for the way the Cho/Harry relationship was resolved in the ootp movie, but I guess it wasn't really necessary to elaborate much more in HBP since- at least from the test screeners and the previews- Harry has clearly moved on (the waitress, Romilda, Ginny, etc.) :lol:

In OOTP the movie, I just ended up feeling bad for Cho. It wasn't her fault. Harry didn't find out until after the fact of course, and then they don't have a scene together after that so there is no resolution. Going by the movie, though, it just seems like Cho given truth serum and had to reveal the DA, everyone's mad at her and ignoring her, including Harry. He ends up finding out that it wasn't her fault, but still we are to assume at the beginning of HBP that Harry never forgave her (?) or didn't want to rekindle the romance for some other reason. That's the biggest problem I had with the change in story for OOTP movie version, is that Cho ends up the victim, and yet there's no resolution for their relationship. It affects the HBP romance story, with the waitress (he gets over girls fast), feeling ok with the female attention (staring and joking with Hermione in the trailer), and then eventually with Ginny. I just wish they tweaked it somewhat and maybe left out the bit with the truth serum. That way, Cho would have just betrayed them, and though she felt bad afterward, at least there is a reason that Harry and Cho were no longer together.

Yeah, the swamp confused me as well. Does anybody know if that is typical of the area where the Weasley's live?

It's a bit difficult to tell - Ottery St.Catchpole sounds a bit like Ottery St Mary, which is close to the South coast, just a bit east of Exeter; the county is Devon.


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/Elwen2/otterymap.gif


Not many swamps down there, except around some of the tidal mouths of rivers (e.g. the Exe) - but I don't think the Weasleys live THAT close to the coast.

The swamp in the picture looks much more like the Fens, which are on the east coast (Norfolk-Cambridgeshire-Lincolnshire)....

http://www.travelnotes.org/1800/UK/images/england_counties.gif



Ah well. ;) :D

For OotP the test screening viewers noted it was 2.5 hrs as well (without credits) and the finished product was chopped down at least 15 minutes, because the running time was barely over 2 hrs :grumble: (longest book made into the shortest movie...ridiculous)

Can I say again, once more with feeling, that 2 hours was the perfect length for the OotP film (which I love) and I do not care tuppence about OotP being the longest book.

In all seriousness: why would that film need to be longer? :hmm:

I don't care whether HBP is 2 hours or 2.5 hours, all I care about is that it's a good film, with good pacing. It shouldn't drag and it shouldn't feel rushed. I didn't find the OotP film rushed, the pacing felt fine to me.

Yes, sorry I should have labeled them last time :) Here they are with a Halloween flair :cool:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/movies_hbp_teasercaps_53-3.jpg?t=1225476111http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/riddle_in_blood_prince_potterish-2.jpg?t=1225476011http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/lcbaseball22/Riddleinhogwarts-2.jpg?t=1225476621

Actors actual (current) ages:

Hero Fiennes Tiffin- Age 10

Frank Dillane- Age 19

Christian Coulson- Age 30
They oddly have a similarity between them.

I have no idea where the Weasleys live - I don't think it's ever said. But Anglia - and I'm going by the name of their car now, since I've got nothing else to go by - is a "swampish" region. I believe it is called "Fens".

Ottery St. Catchpole is nearby where they live....:err: I'm thinking they might just live in the outskirts of the city. :p

Anyhow, I always thought there surrounding area was filled by hills and fields, that's where they played Quidditch in COS and when they were going to the Portkey in GOF.

Ottery St. Catchpole is nearby where they live....:err: I'm thinking they might just live in the outskirts of the city. :p

Anyhow, I always thought there surrounding area was filled by hills and fields, that's where they played Quidditch in COS and when they were going to the Portkey in GOF.

See my maps above. The description in the books fits Devon rather well, actually....

Can I say again, once more with feeling, that 2 hours was the perfect length for the OotP film (which I love) and I do not care tuppence about OotP being the longest book.

In all seriousness: why would that film need to be longer? :hmm:

Though I did not like the OotP, I must agree that the length needn't be any longer; it was long enough, IMHO. It felt about three hours; there were some things in there that I thought could've been cut still. For example: if Snape's Worst Memory wasn't going to be included in its full version, and it was going to have NO impact whatsoever on Harry's life, than why include it at all?