Neville, Voldemort, and a LOT of gum

I like this idea :) True, I'm not entirely sure the benefits of keeping the Longbottoms under Imperius for 15 years, because it seems they've outworn their usefulness to the Death Eaters. BUT, if Neville and his gran go to visit them often, it's quite possible that Neville has revealed info to his parents that DEs could later force out of them. Imagine his seemingly innocent conversations about taking classes with the famous Harry Potter.

Thanks. I admit that their relevance today may not be as signifigant as it once was, but you made a good point about information Neville may have passed along about Harry. ^_^


And, since we know resisting Imperius is a force of will power, perhaps Alice's gum wrapper gifts are all she can manage to communicate with her son. Think of Barty Crouch's half-sane/half-Imperius state. He was babbling seriousness and nonsense, but Harry thought he was crazy. Perhaps passing off clues in the form of gum wrappers is all Alice can muster.

That's what I'm leaning towards, that deep down Alice wants to say something but the gum wrappers are all she can muster. Though, there may be more to them, who knows. And good point about Barty Crouch's encounter with Harry.


Oh, and :welcome: to the boards, invisible_girl!!

And thank you again! :)

In re-reading POA, I got thinking about the Droobles desciption - the 2 things about them are that the bubbles last for days and they are in the Special Effects section, as are Ice Mice and Self-Flossing stringmints. Now if the Longbottoms were chewing it, then the bubbles would be a round at least on some occasions that Neville was there, but we haven't heard of it. This suggests that someone else uses the gum and allows the Longbottoms to have the wrappers (unless the strange blue lights are the bubbles - where's my copy of OOTP!?). 'Special Effects' rather than 'Special Tastes' suggests we are looking for a quirky sorcerer, rather than, say, a vampire. Mrs. Longbottom could then be handing out the wrappers to be saying that something is up with the person who chews Droobles. Of course, if that is mentioned about anyone in Books 6 or 7, we're all going to jump on it like thestrals on blood. Has anyone so far been mentioned to have bought or had Droobles?

One more idea pops into my head - is there anyone more closely associated with candy in the series than Dumbledore? Perhaps there is a message with the wrappers that only he can read (You 'Dumbledore is Evil' types can argue that the message is for Neville to watch out for Dumbledore, but I refuse to entertain that line of thought - Dumbledore is good until we have contrary evidence)

Has anyone so far been mentioned to have bought or had Droobles?

One more idea pops into my head - is there anyone more closely associated with candy in the series than Dumbledore? Perhaps there is a message with the wrappers that only he can read (You 'Dumbledore is Evil' types can argue that the message is for Neville to watch out for Dumbledore, but I refuse to entertain that line of thought - Dumbledore is good until we have contrary evidence)Well, here is all I could find.

The gum is sold at HoneyDukes and on the Hogwarts Express food cart. Honeydukes is the candy store in Hogsmeade. Owned by a husband and wife, who live over the shop; there is an entrance to one of the secret tunnels from Hogwarts is in the cellar under a trap door. It leads to a statue of a humpbacked witch (probably Gunhilda of Gorsemoor) who was notable for developing a cure for Dragon Pox. I don’t know who actually ownes HoneyDukes or who the witch is that runs to food cart on the Express.

I dont know if this is any help.

I do, however, believe that the scene at St. Mungos with Neville is to set us up for something to come later. Most likely when book 6 or 7 comes out there will be something that refers to this scene and we're all gonna wonder why we didnt catch this before. Lol!

Well, I guess the wrappers are messages, I mean, that's what this thread's basically about. Strange how one passing mention in a book could strike up so much of a debate/conversation.

If they were given gum, how much would they have had to been given? A lot. "enough to paper your room." And in all probablity, this isn't the first time this has happen.

By the way of Neville. Here's a funny anagram. Don't know if it's been done yet.

NEVILLE LONGBOTTOM

N.L. BELONG TO EVIL TOM

Oooh! Maybe his 'dad' ain't his dad!

Bombur

Um.... JKR was offended enough when asked if Peter Pettigrew was Neville's da, I don't think "evil Tom" is actually his father. :scared: "belongs to" wouldn't actually me he was his father, it could just mean that... Voldemort has him possessed? In either case, absolutely not.

No, it's just fun speculation. :)

Although.....the anagram cab be read the other way also.

EVIL TOM BELONG TO N.L.

Since it's able to be read both ways, it could tie in with the prophecy, if in fact it's possible it's still about Neville. They could 'belong' to each other in the sense of the prophecy.

But I don't seriously suspect it. It was just an interesting tidbit.

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba21/ba21feat.html

That birch bark tar was chewed for its medicinal properties is another possibility. Birch bark tar contains compounds which could serve as disinfectants, and these might be slowly released during chewing. There are historical records referring to the use of birch bark tar to relieve sore throats. Another suggestion is that herbs or roots used to relieve toothache were pressed into tooth cavities using a piece of tar. At the 6,500-year-old site of Bökeberg in Sweden a piece of chewing gum has been found with the tooth impressions of a 30-40-year-old with a cavity in one tooth. By chewing the gum, it may be that he or she was treating their ailment. It could also be that chewing birch bark tar was an early form of dental hygiene. It is common knowledge today that chewing gum between meals helps to reduce the build-up of plaque.

Maybe the gum will help Nevilles mum recover and remember something about Voldemort.


http://bioweb.usc.edu/courses/2003-spring/documents/bisc230-lab_gum.pdf

Gum Chewing Found to Boost Brainpower, Memory
Posted on Wed, Mar. 13, 2002
BY JEREMY LAURENCE
LONDON - (Reuters) - The often-maligned act of chewing gum could in fact make us smarter,
according to British research.
A joint study carried out by the University of Northumbria and the Cognitive Research Unit,
Reading, has found that chewing gum has a positive effect on thinking, memory and other
cognitive tasks.
``The results were extremely clear and specifically we found that chewing gum targeted
memory,'' Andrew Scholey of the university's Human Cognitive Neuroscience Unit said.
``People recalled more words and performed better in tests on working memory.''


Interesting ...... :huh:

Wouldn't it be funny if there was no meaning at all to the gum wrappers, and J.K came here and saw that we've made about 900 posts on the subject?!? :p

But i do hope there is some meaning and not just a sympathy thing for poor Neville

It also goes in with the ward name - Janus Thickley, who, for those without access to Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, wrote a note saying he was being killed by a Lethifold and later turned up living with the landlady of the Green Dragon. He faked his own death, just like Wormtail. I'm not sure whether that makes me connect the ward to the Death Eaters or whether it makes me wonder again whether the Longbottoms could be pretending.
I’d think so much less of the Longbottoms if that was the case, I really hope its not true.

Returning to Ded's catch, I've only just noticed - candy, sweets, sugar, all that has ALWAYS been a positive force in the books. I don't think there's any reason to begin doubting it now....
Not to mention Chocolate against the dementors……

I dont think any of us "trust" Draco as far as we can throw him. Indeed, upon reading that passage the first time I immediately felt he was just bragging again. But I have come to believe that JKR uses Draco to pass on clues to us. Yeah, she could throw us a curve once in awhile... but i dont think she is here. Draco has shown up at crucial moments and told us about the return of the death eaters (at the World Quiddich thingy), hinted strongly that his father was indeed a Death Eater (pretty much confirming what we'd guessed), hinted about the goings on at Azkaban (Dementors leaving) and fortold that his father wouldn't be there for long. Also, unlike many many students at Hogwarts, i never detected that Draco showed the slightest bit of worry about the Dementors. There has to be a reason for this. So again, I would advise anyone not to overlook what this kid says. He's not just a big mouthed blowhard. It seems that his desire to be important is so overwhelming that he tends to leak good information his father might otherwise wish kept secret.
That’s an excellent point about Draco, apart from Hermionie and Dumbledore giving information that we can trust it appears we shouldn’t discount what “dear old Draco” says either….hmm I’m going to have to poke out Phoenix again and see what else he says. It’s a bit ironic though that he doesn’t realise that he is, I mean look at the whole Rita Skeeter situation; that put Hermionie on the right track very quickly!

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba21/ba21feat.html

That birch bark tar was chewed for its medicinal properties is another possibility. Birch bark tar contains compounds which could serve as disinfectants, and these might be slowly released during chewing. There are historical records referring to the use of birch bark tar to relieve sore throats. Another suggestion is that herbs or roots used to relieve toothache were pressed into tooth cavities using a piece of tar. At the 6,500-year-old site of Bökeberg in Sweden a piece of chewing gum has been found with the tooth impressions of a 30-40-year-old with a cavity in one tooth. By chewing the gum, it may be that he or she was treating their ailment. It could also be that chewing birch bark tar was an early form of dental hygiene. It is common knowledge today that chewing gum between meals helps to reduce the build-up of plaque.

Maybe the gum will help Nevilles mum recover and remember something about Voldemort.
Perhaps. We know that some things it contains could be percieved as medicine.


http://bioweb.usc.edu/courses/2003-spring/documents/bisc230-lab_gum.pdf

Gum Chewing Found to Boost Brainpower, Memory
Posted on Wed, Mar. 13, 2002
BY JEREMY LAURENCE
LONDON - (Reuters) - The often-maligned act of chewing gum could in fact make us smarter,
according to British research.
A joint study carried out by the University of Northumbria and the Cognitive Research Unit,
Reading, has found that chewing gum has a positive effect on thinking, memory and other
cognitive tasks.
``The results were extremely clear and specifically we found that chewing gum targeted
memory,'' Andrew Scholey of the university's Human Cognitive Neuroscience Unit said.
``People recalled more words and performed better in tests on working memory.''


Very bizarre. That brings our proof to a rather higher level.

Gum Chewing Found to Boost Brainpower, Memory
Posted on Wed, Mar. 13, 2002
BY JEREMY LAURENCE
LONDON - (Reuters) - The often-maligned act of chewing gum could in fact make us smarter,
according to British research.
A joint study carried out by the University of Northumbria and the Cognitive Research Unit,
Reading, has found that chewing gum has a positive effect on thinking, memory and other
cognitive tasks.
``The results were extremely clear and specifically we found that chewing gum targeted
memory,'' Andrew Scholey of the university's Human Cognitive Neuroscience Unit said.
``People recalled more words and performed better in tests on working memory.''

I'd completely forgotten this, but when I was in college we used this little trick while studying for exams. Different flavor for each subject. I swear it works!!
Only now years later, any time I chew a piece of wintergreen flavored gum I think of Calculus. :D

Isn't Neville constantly forgetting stuff that he has to get remembrals for? Forgot the password to the dormitory? Maybe his parents are trying to clue him in.

One more idea pops into my head - is there anyone more closely associated with candy in the series than Dumbledore? Perhaps there is a message with the wrappers that only he can read (You 'Dumbledore is Evil' types can argue that the message is for Neville to watch out for Dumbledore, but I refuse to entertain that line of thought - Dumbledore is good until we have contrary evidence)Good one, Ded! Hear I sit, saying we have to keep our eyes peeled for Drooble himself and in the meantime go consult Fortescue and Honeyduke and you go and throw such a simple explanation at me! Has the passward to Dumbledore’s office ever been ‘Drooble’s Best Blowing Gum’? Let’s see, now... Cockroach Cluster... lemon drop... what was it in OotP?

All right, Bombur; I’ll entertain you. So... "Evil Tom Belongs to N. L." So -- as I’ve told you lot before -- it’ll be Neville who kills Voldemort, not Harry. -bows- Thank you. I hope you’ve enjoyed this perfomance.

-jumps onto inky's train of thought- Oh, inky! Brilliant! But could she really be as careful as all that with what she puts on her website? The cunning old fox! Lucius donates generously to the wizarding hospital. He's been linked in every possible (wicked) way to the Longbottoms' condition. But Nott... we only thought about linking him with Bode.... If they talked once... if it was "Voldemort-related buisness".... You may have stumbled upon something, friend! She never did mention WHAT the two were discussing all locked away in Malfoy Manor. But... what if it was the Longbottoms? What if that deleted scene was meant to be a clue? I still don't believe she should throw this out. The only viable reason is if Nott just happened to die of those injuries.

I think I may have stumbled upon another piece of evidence against these two. This same cut scene which ink and I have been pushing on you all, was meant to be inserted into books 2 and 4, when the Death Eaters believed Voldemort gone. So, obviously it’s no order of his their discussing. My bets leaning in towards the Longbottoms’ recovery. Or not recovery. Anyone else boarding before the train leaves the station?

Coincidentaly, does anyone know if someone’s doing an essay on the gum wrappers for the fanbook? I’m possibly doing one on the Devil’s Snare that killed Bode and I’m wondering how far I should discuss our suspicions of the hospital. Anyway, farewell, friends! I must away!

hmmm...I don't know if this is quite the thread that I want here or not but last night, in my very slow re-reading of OotP, I came across this....

American Ed. Chapter 9 pg. 154-155
"....Said [Lucius] Malfoy, smoothing the front of his robes; Harry distinctly heard the gentle clinking of what sounded like a full pocket of gold." This is right before Lucius and Fudge go to Fudge's office, immediately following Harry's trial.
I have to wonder what that gold was going to be used for, and if there is some connection again to Lucius donating money to St. Mungo's, like he was said to do in GoF.
It also seems interesting that only a few months after this incindent, we actually see St. Mungo's, and see the Longbottoms.
Call me a consipiracy theorist....
Lucius has Fudge convinced that somehow the Longbottom's are dangerous, and that they must remain semi-comatose. So he pays off Fudge, who in turn, gives the money to St. Mungos with the explicit orders that the Longbottoms are to remain incapacitated. The gum is used to keep them that way. It is cursed by someone higher up, then passed to the healers on the closed ward, who in turn gives it to the Longbottoms.
OR....
same up until the gum. The Healer on the closed ward knows about the plot, and gives the gum to the Longbottoms as a remedy for whatever is being done to them to keep them down. Like I said in another post, that Healer can't be there 24 hours a day. Someone else could be coming on the ward and harming Neville's mum and dad. The healer knows about it but can't do anything or she'll lose her job. She sneaks the gum to them, hoping it will help.
I love a good conspiracy, and it seems like there's one going on here.

hmmm...I don't know if this is quite the thread that I want here or not but last night, in my very slow re-reading of OotP, I came across this....

American Ed. Chapter 9 pg. 154-155
"....Said [Lucius] Malfoy, smoothing the front of his robes; Harry distinctly heard the gentle clinking of what sounded like a full pocket of gold." This is right before Lucius and Fudge go to Fudge's office, immediately following Harry's trial.
I have to wonder what that gold was going to be used for, and if there is some connection again to Lucius donating money to St. Mungo's, like he was said to do in GoF.
It also seems interesting that only a few months after this incindent, we actually see St. Mungo's, and see the Longbottoms.
Call me a consipiracy theorist....
Lucius has Fudge convinced that somehow the Longbottom's are dangerous, and that they must remain semi-comatose. So he pays off Fudge, who in turn, gives the money to St. Mungos with the explicit orders that the Longbottoms are to remain incapacitated. The gum is used to keep them that way. It is cursed by someone higher up, then passed to the healers on the closed ward, who in turn gives it to the Longbottoms.
OR....
same up until the gum. The Healer on the closed ward knows about the plot, and gives the gum to the Longbottoms as a remedy for whatever is being done to them to keep them down. Like I said in another post, that Healer can't be there 24 hours a day. Someone else could be coming on the ward and harming Neville's mum and dad. The healer knows about it but can't do anything or she'll lose her job. She sneaks the gum to them, hoping it will help.
I love a good conspiracy, and it seems like there's one going on here.

^_^

We've been discussing this in posts earlier in the threads, but I agree with what you're thinking.

Also, these are other good excerpts incriminating Malfoy:

OotP, American edition, page 155

Mr. Weasley: "I'll leave a note for Dumbledore when I drop you off, he ought to know Malfoy's been talking to Fudge again."

Harry: "What private business have they got together anyway?"

Mr. Weasley: "Gold, I expect. Malfoy's been giving generously to all sorts of things for years.... Gets him in with the right people.... then he can ask for favours.... delay laws that he doesn't want passed.... Oh, he's very well connected, Lucius Malfoy."


GoF, American, page 101

Fudge: "Lucius has just given a very generous contribution to St. Mungo's, Arthur. He's here as my guest."

Those are extremely interesting posts (FirefightingMuggle and invisible__girl) and I agree that someone is being bribed. Most likely Malfoy is bribing someone and he apparently has the money to do so.

I wonder though why he would need to bribe Fudge to keep the Longbottom's in St. Mungos? If Malfoy has the run of the place anyway, seems he would be bribing an administrator at the hospital...or a healer there. What control would Fudge have over the Longbottoms or St. Mungos? Would the Ministry have final say in what goes on there? I dont know how things like that work in the UK. Does the government have control over the hospitals?

I wonder if (otoh) Fudge is bribing Malfoy? Fudge would know Malfoy has the power to hold the Longbottoms at St. Mungos wouldnt he? Fudge is also very paranoid about Dumbledore and he may think that the Longbottoms and DD are close.

Could the Longbottoms have information on Fudge?

:)

I've noticed that Fudge is a very shallow person. He's shown that he cares about the "purity of blood" and is rather discriminative about part humans. The ministry that he's a head of can be so easily bent by someone's contribution of gold. People can buy their positions and bribe him. He cares too much about what the people want to think, and is afraid of ruining the "perfect world" that has been built up by putting people on their guard.

I'm not exactly sure what that would have to do with the Longbottoms. We know that with Lucius's gold he's bought a high standing, but why does he want to keep the Longbottoms there?

Yes, why does he want the Longbottoms there? It seems blatently clear that they had some very important info.

I've noticed that Fudge is a very shallow person. He's shown that he cares about the "purity of blood" and is rather discriminative about part humans. The ministry that he's a head of can be so easily bent by someone's contribution of gold. People can buy their positions and bribe him. He cares too much about what the people want to think, and is afraid of ruining the "perfect world" that has been built up by putting people on their guard.

I'm not exactly sure what that would have to do with the Longbottoms. We know that with Lucius's gold he's bought a high standing, but why does he want to keep the Longbottoms there?

The Longbottoms defeated Voldermort three times, just like Lily and James. Though this isn't a case of "if you can't beat em, join em" but perhaps "if you can't beat them, learn from them." It's like sneaking a peek at the opposing team's playbook before the championships. The Longbottoms provide insight into the kinds of minds and hearts the Death Eaters want to overcome.

Invisible__Girl : So what your saying is the Longbottoms minds were the playbook that the death eaters look at to find out stuff about the other "team"??

I think she means that they're trying to keep them where they want them so that they can keep them insane for the DE's sake. (thus the bribes for Fudge) Maybe to keep them out of the way? Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

That makes sense too b/c they oviously had something that could hurt the DE's posibly something more than just the prophecy. I don't know. to me it silly to me that the purpose for harry's parents death and all this mayhem is dew to this little prophecy i mean why a prophecy there should be more to it

well i suppose the same thing happened to Perseus in Ancient Greek Mythology : Danae perseus's mother had been put in a trunk and set afloat to sea (in hopes of them dieing) by her father b/c there was a prophecy that someday the perseus would kill him. after many journey's perseus ends up accidentaly killing his grandfather with a discus that flew beyond the limits of the feild and hit the man.

All right, FireFightingMuggle, you're a conspiracy theorist. (Not that I can say much. -points to some of her own theories and then laughs because everyone involved is now dead and nothing and nobody can disprove her-) I don't think Fudge would have the guts to do anything like that, personally. Though, Doc, she's right. St. Mungo's would have to do whatever Fudge tells them too; it's (in theory) a government-run facility - hence the lime green robes (ever notice the color seems to be connected to the Ministry of Magic?). But then, so would Lucius, being under the Minister's rule. If Fudge says no, there's not much he can do except go around him, which he can certainly do easily enough. Or, to mimic Disney's "Aladdin", he could just put him under the Imperious Curse and be done with it. Still, Dumbledore thought Fudge was acting of his own accord during OotP and he's usually right.

Hmm. Actually, Doc, I think I like you're theory best. With Fudge bribing Malfoy, though I'm not sure he'd really need him... unless he's too vain to get his hands dirty (likely), or if because he's "blinded by the love of the office he holds" doesn't want to risk anything being traced back to him. I actually mentioned something somewhere earlier in this thread (probably in one of my conspiracy theories) where Fudge had had the Longbottoms attacked because they had uncovered some skeleton in his closet which would keep him from getting elected as Minister. I'm not so sure I'm quite willing to give up on it, though (and I'm pretty sure this theory was two pages back or so) I was fonder of it being Crouch Sr. who had given the order. Except... maybe Fudge was trying to discredit Crouch at the time because he was a more popular canidate than himself and so asked Crouch Jr. (who sounds like something of a Percy clone and so wouldn't think twice about doing whatever a superior says; maybe he had a job in the Ministry too - did the books ever mention?) to take care of it. Crouch Jr. invited some of his friends along for the ride, they were caught, dear Daddy was furious, and he threw them into Azkaban. Then, once Crouch Sr. had been shunted sideways and Fudge elected Minister, Fudge was able to tell the dementors (or whatever else helps to run Azkaban - I think there must be some wizards involved to control the dementors) to kill Crouch Jr. off, again so nothing could be traced back to him! And when he was discovered alive, Fudge called up a dementor to accompany him, giving it orders to Kiss him. Now, and note that Fudge has seemed a bit more arrogant since the, er, soul-sucking of Crouch Jr., he's bribing Malfoy (for Rowling never specified whose hands switched gold with whose in that scene invisible_girl was describing) to bribe the St. Mungo's healers to keep the Longbottoms insane which means the anagram should really be "Gold BribeS Below St. Mungo's," but perhaps Alice never heard about Fudge's. This has been your daily dose of extravegant conspiracies by furry. Thank you.

The Longbottoms defeated Voldermort three times, just like Lily and James. Though this isn't a case of "if you can't beat em, join em" but perhaps "if you can't beat them, learn from them." It's like sneaking a peek at the opposing team's playbook before the championships. The Longbottoms provide insight into the kinds of minds and hearts the Death Eaters want to overcome.
If you're saying - and I'm pretty sure you are, correct me though - that the Longbottoms are being kept insane by... whoever because they information about Death Eater activities, this is also a good theory. Have we ever considered that the Longbottom's information (the gold bribe below St. Mungo's) could be out-of-date? Maybe we are just fishing... but, why end it now? Who cares if we're wrong, we're having a blast!

aliceband, dear, would you mind not posting twice? Just edit, it keeps things neater. Anyway, I don't know how much we can look into the prophecies of ancient Greek mythology. There's probably one or two for nearly every legend; they must have been VERY superstious then. Although... Nev's grandfather's dead; Neville saw him die. Any chance it's by some fault of his own? It would explain a lot, like his lack of self-confidence and his gran's disapproval of him. No, actually, he'd probably be dead now if that were the case. Back to my last theory, I think: he was killed by Death Eaters. Oh... but Neville saw it and remembers it... hmmm... that changes things a bit. Maybe... forget it. Ignore this last section if you choose, but knowing you guys there'll be a bunch of theories on this when I get back. Anyway, I gotta go, friends! Fair fortunes be yours.

Wow I never put that much thought into the gum wrappers but now when I go back and read the book I think I will spend much more time on it...I now believe there must be something more to it than just his mom giving him a gift. I think there is something hidden there...

Though, Doc, she's right. St. Mungo's would have to do whatever Fudge tells them too; it's (in theory) a government-run facility - hence the lime green robes (ever notice the color seems to be connected to the Ministry of Magic?). But then, so would Lucius, being under the Minister's rule. If Fudge says no, there's not much he can do except go around him, which he can certainly do easily enough. Or, to mimic Disney's "Aladdin", he could just put him under the Imperious Curse and be done with it. Still, Dumbledore thought Fudge was acting of his own accord during OotP and he's usually right.Hmm...I didnt know this. I wasnt aware that the Ministry controlled St. Mungos, but it makes sense since Fudge was so proud of Malfoy making that generous bribe..er "contribution" to the hospital.

Hmm. Actually, Doc, I think I like you're theory best. With Fudge bribing Malfoy, though I'm not sure he'd really need him... unless he's too vain to get his hands dirty (likely), or if because he's "blinded by the love of the office he holds" doesn't want to risk anything being traced back to him. I actually mentioned something somewhere earlier in this thread (probably in one of my conspiracy theories) where Fudge had had the Longbottoms attacked because they had uncovered some skeleton in his closet which would keep him from getting elected as Minister.I got the impression that fudge was the consumate politician who was willing to do anything to hold on to power. He is paranoid and is terrified that Dumbledore wants his job. I was wondering if maybe the Longbottoms had discovered some scandal in his past. Bribing Malfoy would make sense then. OTOH, Fudge mentions that Malfoy is the one making the generous contributions...so I dunno.

I think they have some importance. I mean, what would be the point in even mentioning that scene if it didn't mean something. Maybe it was to show the devestating effects of the crucio curse when applied over a long period. Maybe it was to gain simpathy for Neville. But I think it means more than that, yet I'm not sure what.

Something tells me that Neville's Gran knows something that he's not willing to tell Neville yet. She seems to ridicule Neville a lot. For example, she constantly tells people that Neville will never be as good as his dad, and how she thought he might be a squib, etc. She might not think that telling Neville any new information will help him in any way.

But something tells me that that wrapper has some importance, and that Gran knows what it is.

Howdy to everybody back in one of my favorite threads! Have I mentioned I love this thread? Some interesting theories (conspiracy and otherwise) from everybody. I just thought, in light of the new movie, I would post a few things that were consistent in the movie that could reinforce some of our theories. Don't worry, these aren't spoilers because it's really stuff we already know. And if you've seen the movie, feel free to add!

-Lucius Malfoy's power in the ministry: Though we never actually see Jason Isaacs, we hear Hermione and Hagrid mention Malfoy's power and connections within the ministry. Hagrid says something about how Malfoy gave his long speech about how terrible Buckbeak is, and just like *that* they vote to execute him. Subtle reminder, after the powerful one we got in the CoS film, that Lucius Malfoy is loaded, and one bad blonde dude.

-Cornelius Fudge's "crawfishing": Sorry for those who've never heard the term. A crawfish is a dirty creature that lives in the mud and scuttles backwards to evade predators (and where I'm from -- we're the predators! We eat boiled crawfish). I digress. Fudge is perfect in this film, because he comes across as someone who wants the best for Harry but is easily influenced by others. And he has no problems lying to 13-year-old wizards. Harry straight asks him if Sirius Black has anything to do with him, and Fudge scoffs and says "No...no, of course not." Exactly the caliber of politician I want....

That was a long-winded speech, but my point is that things in the movies can be clues. Depending on your philosophy. But if you're like me and believe that Jo Rowling and Steve Kloves make sure that the important stuff -- the stuff that comes into play later -- makes it into the movie, then this just might reinforce what we already know.

You know, Arthur, I'm going to have to go reread that section of the book again, but it seemed to me Nev's gran was a little annoyed by the gum wrappers. I don't know, but I think if there is a signifcance to the wrappers (and I'm still almost positive there is), I don't think she knows about it. She actually, if I'm remembering right, seemed as though she didn't pay that close attention to... anyone: Alice, Neville, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny.... Hmmm... like I said, definatly gotta go do another read through. There seems like there might be something in that, but it's just not coming to me just yet.

-sigh- No, the, er... big bad blonde dude never really had any appearance in PoA. Shame, Jasson's second only to Johnny Depp (and maybe Dan Radcliff; he got REALLY hot) right now. Unfortunatly, one fun-filled viewing wasn't enough to engrave much into my poor brain. But when I go next time, I too will keep an eye on the things which made it from both the book and the movie. You make a good point, la ginny. Ron's fear of spiders was reinforced several times; you think that'll have something to do with the plot of the next two books?

Anyway... :blush: I've got a history final tomorrow. Best get studying. Farewell, friends! Hehe, you know - to share a funny story - I was telling my physical therapist about this thread today. She's going to go back and reread OotP now. See what we've done? :lol: Bye, guys!

Crawfish? That sounds good.....

Good luck furryfreakferret! :D

Well, Mr. Malfoy wasn't really in PoA in the book, so there isn't a point in having him in the movie. He doesn't have a part to play.

You know, Arthur, I'm going to have to go reread that section of the book again, but it seemed to me Nev's gran was a little annoyed by the gum wrappers. I don't know, but I think if there is a signifcance to the wrappers (and I'm still almost positive there is), I don't think she knows about it. She actually, if I'm remembering right, seemed as though she didn't pay that close attention to... anyone: Alice, Neville, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny.... Hmmm... like I said, definatly gotta go do another read through. There seems like there might be something in that, but it's just not coming to me just yet.

I don't know that she didn't pay much attention to anyone....she acknowleged Harry, Ron, Ginny, and Hermione and praised them for something...she called the Weasleys a fine family, praised Hermione for helping Neville, knew who Harry was. Neville she more or less criticized for not being as good as his father. Alice she humored, probably because of her state of mind. She acted rushed, almost like there was some place else she had to be, which I'm guessing had to do with the fact that it is Christmas, so she probably has to rush home and start with Christmas dinner or something like that. The holidays always seem to be a time when people are rushed, so much to do, and so little time to do it in. Generally, I don't suspect anything fishy with Neville's Gran. She seems to be a good woman, all in all. A little hard on Neville, perhaps, but her head is in the right place, supporting Harry and Dumbledore, going against the Daily Prophet, believing all the time that Voldemort would come back, and believing when he does. She seems to be a very level headed woman who knows right from wrong.

Well, yes. Gran acknowledged everyone but she seemed almost like... she wasn't there.... Does that make sense? No, I guess not, let me keep trying. She really wasn't paying much attention to what Neville was saying about not being ashamed about his parents or his reluctance to stay and.... Maybe it's actually that she was paying attention to what was going on just in the foreground and ignoring thoughts and feelings. Yeah! that's it! Like when she told Neville to throw out the gum wrapper. Her only proof that Neville was ashamed of his parents was that he hadn't told his friends about them, which we, of course, know means nothing really. I've been keeping some secrets of my own lately but it's more cause I don't want to sound arrogant or anything rather than that I'm ashamed. I'm certainly NOT ashamed. ;) Gran actually seems a bit like a three-dimensional (the first three being physical appearance, actions, and spoken words) figure living in a 4-D (the last being thoughts, feelings) world, if that makes sense. But, yes, I think, generally, she has her head and her heart in the right places.

My take on Neville's Gran is that she is a very formal woman. Many women of her generation (and considering she's a witch, that could even be Victorian) present themselves this way. Really, is she far off from McGonagall's persona? We've seen McGonagall has emotions in just a few instances (COS when Harry and Ron said they wanted to see petrified Hermione and of course Umbridge got under McG's skin regularly). For all we have see Granny Longbottom, it's no surprise we haven't seen her warm and fuzzy, or at least emotive. We only have a snapshot.

Maybe Mrs. Longbottom just chews a lot of gum and thinks her son will like the shiny paper???

*Laughing* You are probably the only one in this thread that is right! This could all be a red herring and truly is what it seems. :rotfl:

No, there has to be more to the gum wrappers than just being a red herring. At the very least, it shows that Alice remembers there's something about Neville that warrants giving him gifts, even if she doesn't know he's her son. At best, it's a clue into what happened to them or what is currently happening.

Someone is St. Mungo's knows more than he/she is letting on, and I think the wrappers are a vital clue. To what, I'm not quite sure. Rowling hasn't given enough information to form a reasonable hypothesis, but there just has to be something there that will be revealed in the next 2 books.

bowlwoman

Oh now, Doc, surely you're not bailing on us? Besides, shiny paper leads to mirrors, which leads to reflections, which leads to windows, which leads to eyes. (If you've read with us the whole way, you'd understand. I believe it forked off into its own thread somewhere along the line. The Importance of Mirrors and Reflections or something to that effect.) But, you're right, really. There are some similarities between Gran and McGongall and... I think I'm right in saying we all trust Minerva? This serves as yet ANOTHER reminder to me to go back and work out the ages of everyone. Let's see... McGongall's perhaps... 70 at the end of OotP. Voldemort is 69, to a dot. (wow, his dad would've been old now, huh?) Anyone else from that generation? Oh! That means Hagrid's 66 or so.... Does that set them all back into the Victorian era?

Oh now, Doc, surely you're not bailing on us? *Laughing* Well, no, I'm not bailing on ya. But with all the theories I've proposed in this thread...it would be just my luck to learn that the gum wrapper thingy is just a joke or red herring JKR threw in there. Lol!!! shows what I know...

:rotfl:

There are some similarities between Gran and McGongall and... I think I'm right in saying we all trust Minerva? This serves as yet ANOTHER reminder to me to go back and work out the ages of everyone. Let's see... McGongall's perhaps... 70 at the end of OotP. Voldemort is 69, to a dot. (wow, his dad would've been old now, huh?) Anyone else from that generation? Oh! That means Hagrid's 66 or so.... Does that set them all back into the Victorian era?

No, not quite - Victoria died near the turn of the century. A person would have to be in their 80s as of OOTP to have been born in Victorian times. Possible for Granny Longbottom, not the other three.

Ewww - I just thought of this - what if Voldemort and McGonagall DATED when they were in Hogwarts!?

:lol: When would he have time to date? He was busy working out the Chamber of Secrets, riding his bicycle to Little Hangleton, killing his dad and his grandparents, inventing an anagram of a scary new name, recruiting minions we have never met. Important stuff like that. No time for girls. Hate to think what Jack Sparrow would have thought of him. ;) :lol:

Well, if they meet, then we'll know, but it's rather unlikely they will. You know, they have different professions. ;)

A red herring??? I wouldn't be surprised if every theory I'm sure of is one. :lol: Just my luck, I guess.

Neville longbottom's toad trevor is an ANAGRAM

for either Belongs to Voldemorte rat not evil or belongs to Voldemorte TR alive?

Can you clarify, please? :huh:

Yeah.....

What?

I was posting this idea on the "Trevor the Toad" post in Divination and thought I might put it in here too -- as a way to focus on Neville's parents vs. dear trevor the toad.

I found a (pretty cheesy but interesting) site on scary, evil toads when I searched Yahoo: http://witches.monstrous.com/familiars.htm#toads

Here's a weird blurb: "Toads were also believed to have a precious stone in their heads. This stone was considered both a talisman for obtaining happiness and a means to detect poison. If the stone became hot, poison was nearby."

Often we note how Neville is always forgetting things. Neville has a little "head trouble" (bad memory) and his poor parents are mad ... Could this have something to do with the crazy myth of the precious stone in the head of the toad?

OR -- The gum is poison and Trevor senses it ... dum da da dum!

Often we note how Neville is always forgetting things. Neville has a little "head trouble" (bad memory) and his poor parents are mad ... Could this have something to do with the crazy myth of the precious stone in the head of the toad?

OR -- The gum is poison and Trevor senses it ... dum da da dum!I'm not sure yet what to make of Neville and his toadling. Trevor certainly has gotten around throughout all of the books hasnt he? And Neville seems to havetrouble keeping up with him, but I dont know if Neville is merely forgetful, or is Trevor very clever? Also, when I read about the gum wrappers being given to Neville, I immediately began to wonder about the gum. Who was giving gum to Neville's parents? Would you give gum to people who's minds arent very good? (My father has Alzheimers and I can assure you that I wouldnt give gum to him). I wondered if there were ingredients in the gum which someone could use in a potion. Ginger is used in a number of potions, but I'm not certain if ginger is in gum.

I also wonder if the gum could be used for other applications but i dont know. Perhaps poison of some form? Some have proposed a pretty interesting theory that the gum wrappers contain hidden messages, but again...we dont have enough information. I think if we could find out where this gum was coming from and who was giving it to the Longbottoms, then we'd have a better chance of discovering the truth.

Can't say what the gums about...could be a key ingredient to curing his parents maybe...? His parents might not know it either, but maybe, just maybe, when the time comes that he knows how to cure them, he will have all the gum wrappers needed.... (just a theory)


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Yes doctor, you're right. I suppose it is a bit farfetched to see Neville taking the gum wrappers home to Trevor, having him sniff(?) them for poison, feeling the little toady head to see if the stone heats up ... Yes, ridiculous, really. sigh!

Poor Neville. The scene in St. Mungos always makes me cry.

Wadorf?

It's important to control thoughts and emotions for the magic to work. ;)

Ewww - I just thought of this - what if Voldemort and McGonagall DATED when they were in Hogwarts!? Is a scary thought, isn't it, Ded? Still, somehow very entertaining. I can see how they would have enjoyed each other's company. Outside that whole... killing-people thing. (hehe. opposite of harry's saving-people thing.)

Hmmm... toads detect poison, eh? Now there's an interesting development. So, assuming, of course, that the gum (if it's being used at all) has a negative influence, all Nev would have to do is bring Trevor along to visit his parents, feel his head, notice its hot, and think he's sick? (good place for a sick toad, a hospital.) It's possible, really, if you think about it. Ron was always carrying Scabbers with him everywhere and Scabbers getting sick foreshadowed the whole story of Sirius' false imprisonment.

um... whiz...? what are you talking about???? Anyway, I should go. Farewell everyone! (And a lovely thank you to Doc who is acting as my little Rememberall -- I forgot about the secret messages! -pummels her head with her fist-)

No, not quite - Victoria died near the turn of the century. A person would have to be in their 80s as of OOTP to have been born in Victorian times. Possible for Granny Longbottom, not the other three.

Ewww - I just thought of this - what if Voldemort and McGonagall DATED when they were in Hogwarts!?

EEEEEEEWWWWWWW!!!
:scared:
*thinking of puppies and kitties to get the image of Voldie and McGonagall out of my head*

EEEEEEEWWWWWWW!!!
:scared:
*thinking of puppies and kitties to get the image of Voldie and McGonagall out of my head*

Wait, I've got it - the 'Weapon the Dark Lord knows not': nude photos of McGonagall - that'd kill him for sure! :wow:

Wait, I've got it - the 'Weapon the Dark Lord knows not': nude photos of McGonagall - that'd kill him for sure! :wow:
:rotfl: Have you been sneaking Snape's "special" tea?

Doesn't everyone hate Bellatrix Lestrange...

I think the Longbottoms are insane as they have been and the gum wrappers are the only thing they can get their hands on to give to their son. :huh:

I think the Longbottoms are insane as they have been and the gum wrappers are the only thing they can get their hands on to give to their son. :huh:

I wouldn't at all be surprised if this were essentially true, particularly that nothing more is happening to the Longbottoms to keep them out of commission. I still like the hidden message theory we developed in the first 3-4 pages of this thread, though - one last bit of lucidity shining through those muddled minds.

Hey,
I dont know if this has been brought up in here yet (there is a good chance it has) but u guys do realize that "Drooble's Best Blowing Gum is an anagram of Gold bribe below St. Mungos". We always hear what generous donations LUCIOUS MALFOY gives to St. Mungos....but maybe its not going to the cause...maybe instead to keep the Longbottoms out of commision. Ever think of that. It makes sense because I can remeber distincly 3 or 4 times when we learn how much Malfoy gives to the place as a donation.

Hey,
I dont know if this has been brought up in here yet (there is a good chance it has) but u guys do realize that "Drooble's Best Blowing Gum is an anagram of Gold bribe below St. Mungos". We always hear what generous donations LUCIOUS MALFOY gives to St. Mungos....but maybe its not going to the cause...maybe instead to keep the Longbottoms out of commision. Ever think of that. It makes sense because I can remeber distincly 3 or 4 times when we learn how much Malfoy gives to the place as a donation.

Good insight about the anagram!

But yes, earlier in the thread we've discussed whether or not Lucius has anything to do with the Longbottom's incapacitated states. I bet if you search this thread for "Lucius" you'd find the posts.

[And I agree with you that Lucius' involvement with St. Mungo's is very suspicious!]

Welcome New People! :welcome:

I believe the anagram comes from Mugglenet. We have another good one somewhere on this thread, too.

Invisible, all info freaks and research nuts are welcome (and occasionally trapped) in this thread, ... and in alchemy and a few other well referenced threads.

Back to BiP. ;)

maybe she gave it to him because shes had her brain fiddled with, with magic so she might think that gum wrappers are realy good pressies

Wow, that's an interesting theory. I think because of the time they've been spending at St. mungo's the longbottoms could be regaining their sanities and remembering the information about Voldemort. I mean, if they are starting to remember who Neville is (because of the gum wrappers), it could be an indication fo their regaining their memories, like Lockhart did. I'm not really sure how giving Nev the wrappers could explain this to him, tho. I think they're just a way of showing Neville that they care about him. I don't think there's a secret message already printed on ALL DBBG, because if there was, any idiot smart enough to walk and chew gum at the same time :p could figure out the secret information. Maybe a future gum wrapper Neville receives will have info on it, but I doubt all of them will.

Sorry but according to your sig
It should be put back to the way it way bacause thats the way its going to be!

Welcome New People! :welcome:

Invisible, all info freaks and research nuts are welcome (and occasionally trapped) in this thread, ... and in alchemy and a few other well referenced threads.



Oh, yes, I know! I wasn't trying to sound condescending. Just letting them know that if they wanted to read what other people have posted that would be the easiest way to go about it. I myself like to read everything that's been posted on these forums about theories, and just wanted to be helpful if 9207 felt the same. Sorry.

Would you mind telling me what BiP stands for? Thanks. ^_^

Sorry but according to your sig
It should be put back to the way it way bacause thats the way its going to be!
Want to try that again? Maybe this time it could make sense?

Anyway, I was thinking about the marauder's map. Maybe if Neville tapped a gum wrapper and tried a revealing charm, something might come out of it.

Oh, yes, I know! I wasn't trying to sound condescending. Just letting them know that if they wanted to read what other people have posted that would be the easiest way to go about it. I myself like to read everything that's been posted on these forums about theories, and just wanted to be helpful if 9207 felt the same. Sorry. Please don't misunderstand. I entirely appreciate your efforts. It can be difficult for newbies to figure out how to find out what's been going on in a thread and often more difficult for us oldtimers to explain it to them. Your advise was perfect. Thanks!

Would you mind telling me what BiP stands for? Thanks. ^_^
Today 4:14 pm
:lol: I guess librarians and book store mavens don't speak the same language after all. BiP is Books-in-Print.

Since we have so many newbies here on the thread, and since Whiz so graciously mentioned the 'other' anagram for the gum wrappers, I have copied my post (no. 90) explaining the other anagram.


The Anagram angle - I have come up with a few combinations, but the one I like best is "Goblins were sold tomb bug." Suppose that the goblins had acquired an ancient Egyptian scarab (a bug) which they thought would allow them to acquire loads of hidden gold because it was supposed to be the key to something of great value in an Egyptian tomb. The Longbottoms learned of it and learned that besides any riches that might be there, there was the secret to immortality (although this term could be a misunderstanding from a term like rejuvenation or restoration). Of course, that has been Voldie's goal all along. Even before he had attacked the Potters, he had gotten several of his people placed in the MoM working toward taking over Gringotts so that he could get access to the scarab and the tomb. Remember the article in Luna's father's paper about Fudge being involved in a plot to take over Gringott's. The Longbottoms were tortured to try to weaken them into being susceptible to the Imperius curse as part of this plot, but they were very resistant and the process was interrupted before it could be completed. They have been making marks on the wrappers which can be decoded to rearrange the letters to the warning about the scarab - they don't dare do anything more overt due to Lucius Malfoy's connections at St. Mungo's (even though he's in prison, he can either maintain his influence or there are other loyal DE's in place to control things). In Book 6, the trio get to talking with Neville about his parents and ask about the wrappers; Hermione - naturally - recognizes the marks as a code, probably because she has been studying Runes. She decodes it and links it to Egypt. Ron mentions that Bill has been noticing strange goings-on back at his regular job as a curse-breaker in Egypt for Gringotts. The whole DA gets involved in preventing a takeover of Gringotts and Voldie getting the scarab and access to the tomb. Further suggestions to the plot - Flitwick is involved, as I have suggested before that he is either half-goblin or totally goblin (wouldn't he be an outcast in goblin society with his perky, pleasant disposition - just like Hagrid is too gentle and kindly (when he's not angry) to fit in with the giants). Possibly also the scarab is used by the trio to gain access and they find a magical device which facilitates healing of even the things the magical world cannot currently deal with, perhaps especially maladies of the soul, but to wield it requires a special power within the user, and this is Harry's weapon that the Dark Lord knows not.

Okay - I have gone off the deep end there, but no more so than the plots of PoA and GoF

I went ahead and wrote this plotline up into my first novel-length fanfic, Harry Potter and the Goblins Tomb Bug and it's posted in Flourish and Blotts. I'll come back in a few minutes with the link and add it, for those who might be interested in how this was expanded into an entire sixth-year story.


EDIT: here's the link, if you read it, let me know what you think - http://cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=19412

This is a sub theory to what DedalusDiggle posted:

What if the Goblins had the scarab, but didn't realized what it was at first ; mistook it for just a peice of jewelry or something. And say Mrs.Longbottom had connections there (maybe she worked for them before Neville was born). She heard about and asked to see it, and lets assume it's one of those objects that tend to hold people in magical awe, which would drive her to investigate it. So eventually she figures out that it hold's the key to some sort of wall of protection spell (instead of immortality) that maybe makes one impossible to find, like the fidelis charm and she tells Mr. Longbottom about it. Well, that wouldn't be anything of extreme importance except that they've gotten wind of the prophecy (please correct me if there's any evidence against this, I haven't read OotP in a while) so they offer to buy it for a very large sum, from Gringotts. The Goblins don't want to give it up, but eventually the Longbottom's offers get too large to refuse (since the Goblins dont know the actual worth of the scarab). The Longbottoms set up the protection spell around Neville, but not around themselves because Mr. Longbottom is an auror and, I dunno, Mrs. Longbottom wants to be stubborn and stay with him. And maybe they heard about Harry being born on the same day and let the Potters use the scarab on Harry, which helped save him from Voldemort. Somehow the Goblins at Gringotts find out about the scarab's powers and, of course, they get all mad because they feel cheated out of an extremely good money bag, so they walk around grumbling about it at work all the time, and a DE getting some cash from his vault overhears them. Well he runs back to Voldemort and tells him all about it so Voldemort sets his sights on Mr. and Mrs. Longbottom as well as Neville. But eventually the thought of losing all that gold opportunity gets to the Goblins, so they make an offer to buy the scarab back. The Longbottoms, having already used the spell, agree. Voldemort sends four of his DEs to torture the Longbottoms into telling them where they have the scarab. It doesn't work, the Longbottoms are tortured out of their minds, so the DE's then turn to Neville. They can't kill him because of the protection spell, let's say this has the same kind of effect that happened to Voldemort, only not as powerfull. The DEs get blasted unconcious, until someone comes by and sees them (this would be relatively close to the time that harry's parents are killed) and they're taken to Azkaban to await trial. So Voldemort never finds out where it was hidden but before he was blasted he told his DEs to be on the lookout for anything like it. Soon after Voldemort gets blasted, and a year or two later Lucious Malfoy's name is back in popular view and he can start to meddle around, turn things his way. He remembers the scarab and the Longbottoms. But how could they possibly help? Then he gets an idea. He sends great amounts of generous contributuions directly to the Longbottoms (and other people like them) saying that he feels "just so terribly awfull, having once considered their torturers my allies, although I didn't know what I was doing of course..." The money goes of course to restoring the Longottoms memeory, he probably even gets to oversee it, but at the same time he can't have them blabbing to the enemy. He happens to have a DE friend who works at Drooble's distributing company - who gives the St.Mungo's patients free gum at the beginning of every month - and persuades him to make sure that the Longbottom's gum is tainted with a confundus spell or somthing. So the Longbottoms get the gum at the beggining of the month and around the end of the month, Malfoy (or another DE) questions them. After all that money that's been put to their recooperation, the Longbottoms have regained some of their samity, particullarly Mrs. Longbottom who wasn't cursed as badly as her husband. She overheard a conversation between Malfoy and another DE, when they were talking about the tainted gum, and decides that she should tell someone about it. So she gives the gum wrappers to Neville thinking it a wonderfull clue, but doesn't realize to stop chewing the gum herself.


And that people, is why I'm a certified nutter.

Interesting. But it might belong in flourish and blotts.

hehehehe ya probably, but i was having a huge brain spurt so I typed

This is a sub theory to what DedalusDiggle posted:

...

And that people, is why I'm a certified nutter.

Whiz is right. You've got the summer: spend a couple of hours each day turning it into an actual story and share it with us in Flourish and Blotts.

Since we have so many newbies here on the thread, and since Whiz so graciously mentioned the 'other' anagram for the gum wrappers, I have copied my post (no. 90) explaining the other anagram.

Originally Posted by Dedalus Diggle:
The Anagram angle - I have come up with a few combinations, but the one I like best is "Goblins were sold tomb bug."....
In Book 6, the trio get to talking with Neville about his parents and ask about the wrappers; Hermione - naturally - recognizes the marks as a code, probably because she has been studying Runes. She decodes it and links it to Egypt. Ron mentions that Bill has been noticing strange goings-on back at his regular job as a curse-breaker in Egypt for Gringotts. The whole DA gets involved in preventing a takeover of Gringotts and Voldie getting the scarab and access to the tomb.Well shoot! I like that theory better than any I've read since joining this board! It ties in pretty nicely with my own Goblin theory as well. I also felt that Hermione might be able to see what was on the gum wrappers in book 6 or 7. I didnt think about the Goblins actually finding a scarab, but it ties in with the backstory of Bill working in Egypt quite nicely! Having him involved makes sense.

I wonder if, perhaps, whatever is written on the wrappers will lead to us seeing Bill used to break a curse or code that allows the Order (and the kids) into exploring someold tombs in Egypt? This whole thing might wind up there.

Anyway...nice work! You've solved it!

;)

I wonder if, perhaps, whatever is written on the wrappers will lead to us seeing Bill used to break a curse or code that allows the Order (and the kids) into exploring someold tombs in Egypt? This whole thing might wind up there. Intriguing possibility. Bill cracking the wrapper code makes a lot of sense!

Anyway...nice work! You've solved it!

;)
:lol: No way of knowing that just yet. Only JKR knows for sure. But it does fit very nicely. I always say this thread is well worth reading cover to cover. So much in here, it boggles the mind. :agree:

Definatly mind-boggling.

Hey, Knights or Ni, did you actually read all our other pages?! Just for that, have a pack of gum. Some of you others should try that.

I believe the anagram comes from Mugglenet. We have another good one somewhere on this thread, too.

Yeah, mugglenet has it, I think. But I think they got it from us. Or at least that we had it first. I vaugely remember several self-congratulatory posts way back when.

Well, Lady Insanity, since you asked, Alice was an Auror before she was tortured, not a banker. Though... I suppose if she started work after Neville was born. But, that'd be putting him at an awfully big risk and, especially considering the date he was born (July 31st, we can only assume), they would have had enough on their plate. I also believe (I'm not sure), Lucius was one of those who pleaded bewitchment, becuase it seems hard to recover from something like being accused but giving names to get out of trouble. Igor certainly found it hard. Didn't trust anyone, did he? (I almost pity him, you know?) Plus, he went back to the Death Eaters and was regarded as a "slippery friend" so he doesn't seemed to fear their revenge. Otherwise, it seems you've put a lot of effort into that theory. Glad you reopened the subject, Ded! And by the way, Insanity, being a freshmen totally ROCKS, so don't sweat it! Sophmore year, here I come!

Intriguing possibility. Bill cracking the wrapper code makes a lot of sense!
:lol: No way of knowing that just yet. Only JKR knows for sure. But it does fit very nicely. I always say this thread is well worth reading cover to cover. So much in here, it boggles the mind. :agree:Well...I try to read these things, but honestly its so time consuming and I dont have that much time. Besides, I'm too busy arguing with some know-it-all guy in the PoA film thread. Lol! Seriously, what surprises me is that, since that Scarab/Goblins/Bill Weasley theory was proposed earlier, no one immediately pointed it out as soon as I began talking about Goblins and gum wrappers. Lol! This has completely and totally changed my thinking about the Longbottoms in St. Mungos and I now ascribe to that theory. In fact, when I read the theory, it was if I immediately began to see things a bit more clearly. As you say, it does fit very nicely.

Whether an item found was a scarab or some other egyptian tablet or scroll, it still works pretty well. I would also like to point out (for those who saw the PoA film) that Prof. Snape was showing slides of Egyptian heiroglyphs during his lesson! I dont think this was in the books, but it seems that we just might heading into an area which deals with Ancient Egypt. Bill Weasley works there and now Snape is teaching from information that Bill may have dug up himself.

Anyone think there is a chance that Bill Weasley may have visited the Longbottoms when he returned home?

Whether an item found was a scarab or some other egyptian tablet or scroll, it still works pretty well. I would also like to point out (for those who saw the PoA film) that Prof. Snape was showing slides of Egyptian heiroglyphs during his lesson! And now for something .... not very different. :rolleyes: Egyptian Mythology (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=20899&page=1&pp=30)

Maybe what they are trying to do is give him a huge clue but Nevilles head is just to think to realize it. Maybe "BIG V" weakness is gum and you have to throw it at him! LoL. Ok, time to start thinking as real thinking. Um, well it could be a way to tell him that you need to reflect V's curses back at him. You need to use it against him instead of him using them against you. Or maybe she's trying to say that neville needs to learn the curses which would be V's special and reflect them on him which would mean using V's own power. Thats maybe what she means by relfect IF it has anything to do with reflecting.

"I'm rubber and you're glue. Everything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you..." ~ kind of magic?

It's as good a guess as any. :)


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Good luck on your quest for a date with Emma Watson. She is growing up nicely. ;)

Hmmm.... Was there really a slide of heiroglyphics in there, Doc? Interesting. Very interesting. You can't quote me on it because I didn't hear first hand, but my mother mentioned something where Jo said something about their being things in the movie which, once we read the next two books, will seem like hints but which were unintentional. Think that might have been one?

By the way, whiz, it looks like a great thread! I don't know why none of thought of it before. Egypt comes up way too often and... well, no one's swayed me quite yet, but... there might be something to this "Goblins Were Sold Tomb Bug." It's always been my number 2, but... maybe it deserves more thought than I give it.

But, drawing off Doc's post, if the goblins indeed had found a scroll which led them to the bug, who's got it now? :scared: Do we know anyone who collects artifacts? Who else works / worked for Gringotts, especially in Egypt? We saw Rookwood's past knowledge come in useful to Voldemort already, so.... Hmm.... Fleur.... What if Fleur...? Hang on a minute. Maybe... maybe we need to think about her a bit more. Where do her loyalties lie? Is there some chance? Or... have we seen whether she's vulnerable to the Imperious? Krum is, Krum definatly is, but Fleur.... Gosh! I don't know! I think I'll have to pull her a bit closer to the front of the picture, for less shallow reasons than Rita's photographer did!

Anyway, I think I'd best go. Summer's offically here now and my lonely fanfic is calling! Farewell!

Summer! yay!

"I'm rubber and you're glue. Everything you say bounces of of me and sticks to you...."

You know that sounds like what happened that night at Godrics Hollow. The killing curse bounced off of Harry and stuck to Voldemort, if you want to say it that way.

Gum? (I don't think so, but I'm just asking)

Egypt comes up way too often and... well, no one's swayed me quite yet, but... there might be something to this "Goblins Were Sold Tomb Bug." It's always been my number 2, but... maybe it deserves more thought than I give it.


triple-F, you aren't convinced because you haven't gotten that far in my story - it ties a lot of theory and otherwise extraneous details together. Besides, don't you want to see Ron and Ginny's reaction when Molly and Arthur play romantic games around the castle :lol:

Hmmm.... Was there really a slide of heiroglyphics in there, Doc? Interesting. Very interesting. You can't quote me on it because I didn't hear first hand, but my mother mentioned something where Jo said something about their being things in the movie which, once we read the next two books, will seem like hints but which were unintentional. Think that might have been one?I read that too. Umm...foreshadowing in the film? Wow I have tons of thoughts on that. (Ok..my own off-topic ramblings here for a bit but) Yes....now that you mention it, the heiroglyphs might have been a bit of foreshadowing. ;) Not sure exactly what the images were because they were shown fairly quickly. I dont know if the figures were deities or kings and queens...but they were definately there. Other bits of foreshadowing are the clock references which are in line with both the time-turner sequence in the film as well as my own time travel theory for future books. (There's also a whole slew of clock-like references throughout these books (Time turner, the clock at the Weasleys, the clock in DD's, etc...)and there is a watch on JKR's website as well as the sound of ticking in the background. Also the reference by JKR in many interviews where she tells us that "Patience is the Key". Is 'patience' another way of saying "time'?).

Another bit of foreshadowing might be Lupin's little discussion with Harry on the bridge where he talks about Harry's mom. Keep in mind that I only use the books as canon and not the films if I can help it and this is one reason I pitched such a fit about changes to the story in the films.

But, drawing off Doc's post, if the goblins indeed had found a scroll which led them to the bug, who's got it now? :scared: Do we know anyone who collects artifacts? Who else works / worked for Gringotts, especially in Egypt? We saw Rookwood's past knowledge come in useful to Voldemort already, so.... Hmm.... Fleur.... What if Fleur...? Hang on a minute. Maybe... maybe we need to think about her a bit more. Where do her loyalties lie? Is there some chance? Or... have we seen whether she's vulnerable to the Imperious? Krum is, Krum definatly is, but Fleur.... Gosh! I don't know! I think I'll have to pull her a bit closer to the front of the picture, for less shallow reasons than Rita's photographer did!Who's got the scroll? Hmm...who do we know who deals with goblins? Umm...Fudge? Bagman?

Fudge has been accused of mistreating Goblins but has he? Bagman was seen in conversation with them...about what? Lucius Malfoy apparently has dealings with Fudge and money may have changed hands. We heard he made a generous donation to St. Mungos....a hospital apparently run by the Ministry. Was this 'donation' in the form of money though? Was Fudge bribed and if so, with what? Also some of us have speculated that Fudge has been bribing Malfoy for some reason but does Malfoy need money? Probably not. But a death eater might need a magical item.

You asked who else worked for Gringotts in Egypt. You mean other than Bill Weasley? I dunno. Also, help me out with Rookwood and Fleur. Fleur is a bit snooty for my tastes, but is she more than just a kid? Keep in mind, she owes Harry big time and we must remember what DD says about a wizard owing another wizard. Are you suggesting that Fleur might be an agent of sorts?

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i haven't read all the posts on this thread yet, but i get the basic gist of it. I saw this thread before, but never really thought about it. My curiosity is piqued now that i've read some of these posts. You people interest me.

The only thing left is for Neville to hunt down Bellatrix!! $10 he becomes an Auror and Harry doesn't.
Harry will become an Auror, i'm sure, just Neville will first. Neville rocks!

You should try reading it all, it has some really good stuff in it.

I'm sure both of them will become Aurors at the same time, nearly.

You asked who else worked for Gringotts in Egypt. You mean other than Bill Weasley? I dunno. Also, help me out with Rookwood and Fleur. Fleur is a bit snooty for my tastes, but is she more than just a kid? Keep in mind, she owes Harry big time and we must remember what DD says about a wizard owing another wizard. Are you suggesting that Fleur might be an agent of sorts?

Well, there's definitely a connection between Bill and Fleur. Maybe (if she was some kind of agent) she went to visit him in Egypt? Although, like you said, she's just a kid. Who knows how much she's cabable of... she was picked as champion of her school, so that says something. But really, unless she was part of some elaborate scheme in which she was being used (perhaps for her looks or charm) I don't see how anything could be going on.

Maybe I'm just dense, but I'm still not seeing the connection between Bill and Fleur....

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Bill and Fleur are an item, as in dating so he can help her with the English.
I think we can trust her, thpugh. Somehow, I think Fleur and Viktor will be instrumental, or else why have had the tournament?
This isn't a good photo, but it's the dada class that Snape taught with the pictures on the screen behind him. This one looks like anubis and .....squint ...... or a man fighting a werewolf.

Very interesting theory. :claps: There is definitely something more to the wraps than meets the eye. Seeing how Bellatrix is almost as though the second hand to Voldemort and seemingly the closest Death Eater to him, I could see Voldemort ordering the Lestranges to wipe the Longbottoms' sanity due to the fact that Longbottoms might have known so much about Voldemort's plans, including possibly his hideout. I would love to see how the Longbottoms "thrice defied" Voldemort---meaning they were very powerful---and I wonder if this little fact factors into them being tortured into insanity as opposed to being killed. Of course, that doesn't make sense somehow. You would want to get rid of the enemy if they know so much about you, instead of keeping them alive without being functional.

The wrappers could be the instrument Neville uses in his shining moment. When I read this scene with the gums, I immediately thought about how mysterious the wrappers were and that it might prove serviceable to the endeavor against Voldemort and his comrades.

Bill and Fleur are an item, as in dating so he can help her with the English.Really? This was in the book? You GO Bill! Woo Hoo! But isnt he a bit old for her? I was thinking Fleur was closer to Fred or George's age. Which Weasley is the oldest...Bill or Charlie? I forget. :)

I think we can trust her, thpugh. Somehow, I think Fleur and Viktor will be instrumental, or else why have had the tournament?
This isn't a good photo, but it's the dada class that Snape taught with the pictures on the screen behind him. This one looks like anubis and .....squint ...... or a man fighting a werewolf.Yep,thats what I saw in the film. And the photo is almost as blurry as the film was too. But yes...Snape was definately teaching stuff from Ancient Egypt (one of my favorite College courses btw).

Also, like you, Ithink we;ll be seeing Viktor again and probably Fleur too. You give a good reason for this and I believe I'd read that JKR said we'd see Viktor again. Boy...wait'll Ron finds out! :evil:

I would love to see how the Longbottoms "thrice defied" Voldemort---meaning they were very powerful---and I wonder if this little fact factors into them being tortured into insanity as opposed to being killed. Of course, that doesn't make sense somehow. You would want to get rid of the enemy if they know so much about you, instead of keeping them alive without being functional.I can't see how JKR can keep us in suspense about this for much longer. At some point we should learn just what happened the day the Longbottoms were tortured and why they weren't killed outright. I would expect another look into a Pensieve device. Hmmm...wonder what Harry could find out if he looked into Lucius Malfoy's Pensieve?

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Seeing how Bellatrix is almost as though the second hand to Voldemort and seemingly the closest Death Eater to him, This points another mystery. Who is Voldemort's most trusted servant? Wormtail was resentful that he wasn't it. Crouch Jr was sure he was the one, but apparently not. Now we see Bellatrix laboring under the same delusion. But who is it? (I think it's Molly Weasley, but it could easily be a Malfoy, Fudge, Tonks, a name we've heard mentioned in passing. :rolleyes: )
I could see Voldemort ordering the Lestranges to wipe the Longbottoms' sanity due to the fact that Longbottoms might have known so much about Voldemort's plans, including possibly his hideout. I would love to see how the Longbottoms "thrice defied" Voldemort---meaning they were very powerful---and I wonder if this little fact factors into them being tortured into insanity as opposed to being killed. Of course, that doesn't make sense somehow. You would want to get rid of the enemy if they know so much about you, instead of keeping them alive without being functional. But we have to remember where we are. In the Potterverse, ghosts have big mouths and dead men do tell tales, along with portraits and memories stored in diaries. And there's the whole "Arch and Veil" which may have something to do with Celtic Halloween celebrations when the veil between the living and dead is thinnest and the living may communicate with those who have passed on. (Think amphitheater seating) But my point is, if the Lestranges do know something, then insane and locked up may be safer than dead. :agree:

Bill is the eldest, and I think he's a bit old for Fleur. But what the heck, different life spans and all. ;)

Really? This was in the book? You GO Bill! Woo Hoo! But isnt he a bit old for her? I was thinking Fleur was closer to Fred or George's age. Which Weasley is the oldest...Bill or Charlie? I forget.

Bill's the oldest. Then Charlie, then Percy, then Fred and George, ect.

Fleur is a year older then the twins, a year younger than Percy. I think Bill is... four years older than Percy? And Charlie's a year younger than Bill? I think, but I'm not exactly sure. So she's maybe five (?) years younger than him... :shrug:

I have no idea what any of this has to do with Neville or Voldemort or Gum but ,

Bill and Fleur dating, is loosely implied by the clearly envious and slight evil disruptive twins, but never stated, younger sibling can and are normally unforgiving and mean when it comes to romance involving older family members,

Molly Weasley, an ally of Voldemort? Not in any of the books I have read, she might be very over protective and blind to her own failings. She might even be classed as a mother who lets outsiders invade her affections at the expense of her own children, but evil, I very much doubt it, she is a loving caring, and slightly foolish, she dotes on her youngest, in a sickly sweet mother and only daughter way, but I am convinced that her obvious long held dream to have a girl child, has made her like this not her alliance with he who must not be named

Molly Weasley, an ally of Voldemort? Not in any of the books I have read, she might be very over protective and blind to her own failings. She might even be classed as a mother who lets outsiders invade her affections at the expense of her own children, but evil, I very much doubt it, she is a loving caring, and slightly foolish, she dotes on her youngest, in a sickly sweet mother and only daughter way, but I am convinced that her obvious long held dream to have a girl child, has made her like this not her alliance with he who must not be namedI've seen a few posts suggesting that Molly was an ally of Voldemort's. I'm not sure I agree though. She seems to be fiercely protective of her brood and i have a feeling that over a long period of their marriage, at least Arthur would have become suspicious. If she were able to conceal her affiliations from Arthur, her children and Dumbledore....Molly would have to be a master Occlumense. In nearly all cases that we have seen, anyone affiliated with Voldemort has had something about them to make us suspicious, be it their attire, their furnishings or their suspicious activities. I dont know what House she was in when at Hogwarts, but I would bet it wasnt Slytherin...and I doubt the Sorting Hat could be fooled. The Hat knows all. Lol! It delves into a person's personality and even into their character.

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I'm the one who doesn't trust Molly, and on these boards at least, I seem to be the only one.
But why did Molly need a love potion when she was young? Important for her to snag a pureblood husband?
Why is she so adamant about keeping Harry and her children in the dark? I've come to see this purely ...... sinister, wasn't the first word that came to mind, but it will have to do. :eyebrows:
How did she know that Black wasn't after Harry in PoA, the book. (remember the book? ;) )
And I can't believe that she didn't know garden rats only live three years. I think she knew all about the rat and has been harboring Pettigrew with full knowledge all these years.
What is her problem with Sirius?! She is a control freak to end all and does not deal well with challenges to her authority. Deep desire to be in complete control. Kind of symptomatic of megalomania on a smaller scale?
Why couldn't she deal with a boggart? :huh: No sense of humor?
Her relationship with Percy. What is going on there?

So, I'm probably completely off base, but I'm thinking Voldemort's most trusted servant material.

As for the Longbottoms, I wonder if there's anyway to connect them to Molly? :huh:

About the gum wrapers.

Yes.... What about them?

About the gum wrapers.
I think that this has something to do with them not being as insane that meets the eye. are we forgeting these people are aurors..........very powerful wizards. they also have be good at disguizing, or is said in book 5. I have several theorys on the gum wrapers.
1)they contain writen messages
2)shes trying to say shes not insane,

we need more evidence

oh one more things, maby the wrapers have something to do with JKR chewing gum to stop smoking maby the whole point is the long bottoms have stopped being insane, or, shes accidential telling him to open the wrapper hes closed himself in and tell people about what happend, maby hes so clumsy cause hes alway worried aabout peopel finding out

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I'm the one who doesn't trust Molly, and on these boards at least, I seem to be the only one. So, I'm probably completely off base, but I'm thinking Voldemort's most trusted servant material.

As for the Longbottoms, I wonder if there's anyway to connect them to Molly? :huh:*Laughing* Yeah, its a bit off-topic, but its gonna be fun. Maybe we can work the Longbottoms in...but then again...we have Voldemort to fall back on. ;)

Ok, for your questions:
But why did Molly need a love potion when she was young? Important for her to snag a pureblood husband?
I dunno...maybe she is just unattractive? Maybe Arthur had eyes for someone else? Maybe it was a status thing? It may be shallow of her...but does it make her a supporter of Voldemort?
Why is she so adamant about keeping Harry and her children in the dark? I've come to see this purely ...... sinister, wasn't the first word that came to mind, but it will have to do.I think she's overprotective. I've seen this in real life...where parents and adults are hesitant to tell children things they dont think they are ready for. Molly probably hopes that Harry, Ron and the kids can have some sort of real childhood. She explicitly says that the truth would terrify Harry. They are also afraid that Harry and the kids Will go off in search of the bad guys...and they hide things from them in order to keep them from doing this. Hiding things from children might not be the wisest thing in the world...but I dont see it as sinister and many parents do this. Most aren't villains for this either...at least not on the same level of a deatheater. :)
How did she know that Black wasn't after Harry in PoA, the book. (remember the book?Did she? Actually i think she said "...But no one's really sure that Black's after Harry." Perhaps she felt Sirius was wrongly imprisoned. Maybe she knew Sirius in school and cant believe that he would do what he was accused of. We dont have enough information but it is a good question and worth looking in to. Maybe she's a pacifist. :)

And I can't believe that she didn't know garden rats only live three years. I think she knew all about the rat and has been harboring Pettigrew with full knowledge all these years.I didnt know garden rats live only 3 years and I was raised on a farm. A lot of this may be answered when we learn the circumstances surrounding Percy getting that rat. Remember that Percy is the one who has turned against DD and the Weasleys. But he did give Ron that rat didnt he? Where did he get it?

What is her problem with Sirius?! She is a control freak to end all and does not deal well with challenges to her authority. Deep desire to be in complete control. Kind of symptomatic of megalomania on a smaller scale?Her problem with Sirius is probably the same problem I had with Sirius. Though well-intentioned...Sirius was a bit of a kid. He has very little sense of responsibility and makes some really dumb mistakes. He acted like a 14 year old kid at times...doing things that he probably shouldnt. I think it may have cost him in the end. Sirius had a good heart, but he was immature as a teen and immature as an adult. He...like Harry, felt that Dumbledore was punishing him because he didnt like the way he was being treated. He wanted to help...but i think he wanted to be part of the action and couldn't realize the value of him staying hidden and under cover. Of course we know that there were bigger, more important issues to be considered. Contrast Sirius' actions to that of Lupin...a peer. Lupin seems very mature and has his head together. Both he and Molly Weasley are grown adults who can see the bigger picture. Sirius was not.

Why couldn't she deal with a boggart? :huh: No sense of humor?
Hmm...why does Hermione have trouble with broomsticks? Why does Harry have trouble with divination? I think that some wizards are very good at some things (like Neville with Herbology). And some things they have trouble with. Its a wonderful device that JKR uses to make these characters seem real. and yeah...she probably doesn't have a great sense of humor. :rotfl:
Her relationship with Percy. What is going on there?Not sure what you mean. I would imagine she's both heart-broken and furious that Percy has turned against the family like he has. He reminds me of young people that joined the Nazi party despite their parents disapproval back when it was just getting cranked up. Percy may be a follower one day...but most likely he's just power-hungry and sees the Ministry as a way to power. He's also probably brown-nosing his way to the top. Imagine how proud his mom must be. ;)

All we can do it wait. But I've got my eye on 'er. ;)

:lol: I have to agree with Dr Hesper's breakdown of this. Whiz, I honestly think you're over reacting, but I think that's kind of what all of this theorizing on the boards does to people. It makes them notice small details, and then they tend to get paranoid. It's not like that in all cases, but in some, it is.

Now, I'm lost. What does this have to do with the gum wrappers? Or do you think Molly's part of the crew keeping them in St. Mungos?

I think Molly's just a very worried mother... kinda like my mom. Sometimes Mom's have trouble accepting that there kids are grown up and can handle stuff, and so the treat em like little kids. That's all I think Rowling's doing with Molly, Molly is kinda like the opposite of Mr. Weasley - it's just kinda like the stereotypical Mother-Father relationship... But i'm sure Molly's good. there's no way that Molly's working for Voldemort or anything. She's just a silly old lady.

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I'm the one who doesn't trust Molly, and on these boards at least, I seem to be the only one.
But why did Molly need a love potion when she was young? Important for her to snag a pureblood husband? Most young girls dream of finding a way to snag the boy/man of their dreams, if Molly was doing something ‘Evil with her love potions do you think that Hermione and Ginny would have joined in the general giggling, Hermione learned to become an expert in ‘bluebell fire’ does that means she is going to be an evil pyromaniac and set fire to Hogwarts
Why is she so adamant about keeping Harry and her children in the dark? I've come to see this purely ...... sinister, wasn't the first word that came to mind, but it will have to do. :eyebrows:

Most mothers are pretty protective of their children, blindly so in most cases, some still cling to the notion that “what they don’t know can’t harm them” also know what the “three” are like she is aware that if the even got a hint of something “exciting” they would just have to stick their nose in and try and investigate, as Hermione was the first of the three to mature, she realised that Harry Like to “save people” Molly being and adult just caught on to that non-survivability trait early on.

: How did she know that Black wasn't after Harry in PoA, the book? (remember the book? ;) )

: And I can't believe that she didn't know garden rats only live three years. I think she knew all about the rat and has been harboring Pettigrew with full knowledge all these years. We are muggles, and if you asked anyone of us just how long Rat’s live I doubt anyone of use could say just the expected age of many pets and wild animals, also with all that magic ‘sloshing’ about who’s to say that pets owned by wizards and witches don’t live longer, leaky magic does strange things to animals

: What is her problem with Sirius?! She is a control freak to end all and does not deal well with challenges to her authority. Deep desire to be in complete control. Kind of symptomatic of megalomania on a smaller scale? Sirius is a danger to her extended family and unlike any adults she has met so far he doesn’t wish to be overly protective of the kids, add to that Sirius is just a big kid himself having no life experience after his early twenties what does he know about growing up

: Why couldn't she deal with a boggart? :huh: No sense of humor? Why is Ron Disabled by his fear of Spiders, why did Harry faint when confronted by the Boggart/dementor, how would you expect a tomother react to the realistic decimation of her whole family?

: Her relationship with Percy. What is going on there? Percy let her down by disagreeing with her and turning against the family but she still loves him, it’s difficult to see anyway around her feeling

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So, I'm probably completely off base, but I'm thinking Voldemort's most trusted servant material.

As for the Longbottoms, I wonder if there's anyway to connect them to Molly? :huh:

Why?

:lol: I have to agree with Dr Hesper's breakdown of this. Whiz, I honestly think you're over reacting, but I think that's kind of what all of this theorizing on the boards does to people. It makes them notice small details, and then they tend to get paranoid. It's not like that in all cases, but in some, it is.

Now, I'm lost. What does this have to do with the gum wrappers? Or do you think Molly's part of the crew keeping them in St. Mungos?Well...its a stretch, but speculation about Molly's affiliation does sort of have something to do with Voldemort. So we are sort of running parallel to the topic. :)

Whiz did bring up a good point though. Where did the Weasleys get that rat? Wasn't it in Egypt? If some unknown vendor approached the Weasleys to sell them the rat...shouldnt Molly have been susicious? And if they went to a peet shop...then how big a coincedence would it be that Pettigrew just "happened" to be in the very pet shop they went to? If she happened to know that the rat was Peter Pettigrew....that would change everything! I mean...think of the consequences. All of a sudden Voldemort has an agent "inside" the Order of the Phoenix. :wow: :wow:

Well...its a stretch, but speculation about Molly's affiliation does sort of have something to do with Voldemort. So we are sort of running parallel to the topic. :)

Whiz did bring up a good point though. Where did the Weasleys get that rat? Wasn't it in Egypt? If some unknown vendor approached the Weasleys to sell them the rat...shouldnt Molly have been susicious? And if they went to a peet shop...then how big a coincedence would it be that Pettigrew just "happened" to be in the very pet shop they went to? If she happened to know that the rat was Peter Pettigrew....that would change everything! I mean...think of the consequences. All of a sudden Voldemort has an agent "inside" the Order of the Phoenix. :wow: :wow:

No, they had the rat years before they took the Egypt trip. All we know is that it had been Percy's rat before he handed it down to Ron. Of course, the Weasleys were not in the Order the first go-round, and Peter was gone by the second War.

I'd have to check the book, but in the movie, Ron says, "He's been in our family for ..."
Sirius interrupts, "Twelve years!"
If that's the case, he went to them almost directly from the muggle murder scene that landed Sirius in Azkaban. Was that where he was supposed to go in an emergency?

I think Molly was racist enough to use a love potion so that muggle loving, pureblood Arthur Weasley would be darn sure to notice her before any halfblood or muggleborn witch got their hands on him. :agree: I wonder how she's taking Bill and the half-Veela dating?

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I just checked the book and the dialogue between Ron and Sirius is nearly identical. So apparently, Scabbers had been in the Weasley household for twelve years. He arrived shortly after Nov 1, 1981.

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I'm the one who doesn't trust Molly, and on these boards at least, I seem to be the only one.
:D Count me in. I'm in for this kind of twist. I was never as emotionally invested on Molly as do other readers are anyhow. I can handle this twist. It would be shocking and sad, but evil!Molly would somewhat make sense, given your list indeed shows some ambiguity in her character.


I think Molly was racist enough to use a love potion so that muggle loving, pureblood Arthur Weasley would be darn sure to notice her before any halfblood or muggleborn witch got their hands on him. I wonder how she's taking Bill and the half-Veela dating?
I wonder how muggleborn Hermione fits into this. There was a scene in GoF when she was quick to judge that Hermione was playing with Harry's heart. Was she really angry over that rumor, or that perhaps the Boy-Who-Lived might have really gotten snagged by a muggleborn and she hated it so? Curios. How does she treat Hermione really?

Yikes. She might have been and/or still is close friends with Bellatrix and she might have sold the Longbottoms to the Lestranges! Arghhhh, whizbang, this is your fault! I'm getting the shivers with these thoughts already! :D

I'm not big in the Molly/Neville being traitors it could happen but if someone killed my brothers/or made my parents insane i doubt i would join them. Of course they could be a twist with anything, false promises of restoring Molly's brother/or Neville's parents back to being sane.

I'm not big in the Molly/Neville being traitors it could happen but if someone killed my brothers/or made my parents insane i doubt i would join them. Of course they could be a twist with anything, false promises of restoring Molly's brother/or Neville's parents back to being sane.

I used to be suspicous of Neville but that's because of all these old theories of comparing Neville with Quirrell and Pettigrew, etc, and his obscurity, and not to mention fanfiction! :whistle: lol.
But Molly? Wow! If that happened, the entire Weasley family is going to fall and be surprised!

The relationship of Molly and the Longbottoms? Has there been any evidence through out the texts of Molly's connection with them?

I dont think Molly's character in HP is ambigous, we already know she's overprotective, caring and a nervous wreck sometimes. LOL. But I think she's just that way with 7 kids and a husband who is fighting against the norm: Muggle lover and all.

Plus, Lucius hates Arthur and his family, so I dont think there's anything to suggest that Molly and co. would adhere to Lucius and Voldemort? Or even have connections to the Longbottoms' downfall.

Okay, I'll play the bad-Molly game for a bit - She is a Prewett, and the entire Prewett family was killed by Death Eaters, EXCEPT HER. She obviously betrayed the Prewetts, her own kin, and in Book 6 or 7, she'll betray the Weasleys and Harry.

Why would Molly care if a muggleborn Hermione hooked up with a halfblood Harry? If she's a racist, as I suspect, it's her own pureblood offspring she will be concerned about.

And to be generous, maybe Molly was like Sirius' parents. Maybe she thought Voldemort had the right idea until she found out what he was willing to do to get power. And maybe she sold out because he promised to protect her kids. Is that why Percy is her favorite?

On another generous note, I've always felt that Molly's annoyingly hyperactive hormonal emotional state, (dont they have pills for that in the wizarding world?) makes her a prime candidate for the Imperious.

Enough generosity. ;) I think she's a racist.

My theory on how they came across Mr. Pettigrew is this: They find rat. Rat has hurt paw. They fix (kind of) hurt paw. Rat is family. Or, in other words; Percy (or someone) finds a rat with a hurt paw. He brings the rat to his Mum, showing her the hurt paw. As a mother of all of those boys, she has to be used to them bringing odd things into the house. She (possibly) helps the rat, and the rat becomes a pet. That's always what I've figured.

twelve years later ..... :huh:

Okay, I'll play the bad-Molly game for a bit - She is a Prewett, and the entire Prewett family was killed by Death Eaters, EXCEPT HER. She obviously betrayed the Prewetts, her own kin, and in Book 6 or 7, she'll betray the Weasleys and Harry.
I'm sorry....but *laughs* :lol: that is the funniest...*ahem* post ever.

Seriously, wow, that would put a major twist...
And all that crying that Molly during the boggart scene did was all for show....she was really, really doing a good job. Great actress.
We need to get back on topic, folks.

Molly's connection with the Longbottoms. I still don't see it.
by whiz
On another generous note, I've always felt that Molly's annoyingly hyperactive hormonal emotional state, (dont they have pills for that in the wizarding world?) makes her a prime candidate for the Imperious.
Some pills are just not marketable in the wizarding world. LOL.

twelve years later .....

What about twelve years later? :huh:

What about twelve years later? :huh:

Ooh, I know this one - twelve years later, they still have this same stupid, lazy rat which shows no sign of being a magical rat (like the ones who skip ropes in the pet store) who should have been dead within three years. As a Dad I knew I started to think 'uh-oh, it's coming soon' when my son's hamster got to be about 2 1/2 years old. Sure enough ... (Rest in peace, Butterscotch). The parents at some point should have said 'what's up with this rat!?' Maybe Arthur has the excuse of being wrapped up in work, but Molly is always there and totally involved in the children. On the other hand, they keep using Errol when he is, shall we say, well past his prime.

Why is it so hard to understand, I grew up with a dachshund, his name was 'Links' he was seventeen years old when he died, four years longer than the average lifespan of his breed, he never moved very much and in the end just skin and bones, but he was in no pain and died peacefully in his sleep.

Because the average life of a rat is three years it means some live seven years and some live a year. With all the magic tricks played on the rat by the twins, Molly might have believed that they did something to the rat to keep it alive just to annoy Percy,

I am fairly sure that Molly would not allow Percy to abandon his pet, Percy did not get another pet until he gave the Rat to Ron

Why is it so hard to understand, I grew up with a dachshund, his name was 'Links' he was seventeen years old when he died, four years longer than the average lifespan of his breed, he never moved very much and in the end just skin and bones, but he was in no pain and died peacefully in his sleep.

Because the average life of a rat is three years it means some live seven years and some live a year. With all the magic tricks played on the rat by the twins, Molly might have believed that they did something to the rat to keep it alive just to annoy Percy,

I am fairly sure that Molly would not allow Percy to abandon his pet, Percy did not get another pet until he gave the Rat to Ron

Well, yeah, SOMEWHAT over the average is to be expected, perhaps even twice the average. Four times the average? If your dachshund had lived for 52 years, wouldn't you be wondering about it (and calling the Guiness Book)? And actually, by POA, the rat had lived five times the average expectancy - that's really pushing credulity.

All this is true but my dachshund was not exposed to any form of magic, ;) All I am trying to say, is it is not beyond the realms of reason, anyway JK Rowling said that things live longer in the wizarding world than they do in the muggle world, :D

Okay, I'll play the bad-Molly game for a bit - She is a Prewett, and the entire Prewett family was killed by Death Eaters, EXCEPT HER. She obviously betrayed the Prewetts, her own kin, and in Book 6 or 7, she'll betray the Weasleys and Harry.Well…when ya put it that way…..that was pretty funny. :rotfl: :rotfl:

And all that crying that Molly during the boggart scene did was all for show....she was really, really doing a good job. Great actress. We need to get back on topic, folks.Actually that’s what I was thinking…about the Boggart scene, I mean. :lol: Now that ya mention….I agree with the other part too. We probably have strayed a bit. I’ve begun an all-inclusive Peter Pettigrew thread that covers Scabbers, motives, method and mayhem. It also touches slightly on why Molly Weasley would take him in. Please click on the following link. (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=28242)

Just jumping in out of the blue, here.

I haven't read all the posts so I don't know if this is covered already.

It's been mentioned on the alchemy link that, in alchemy, gum represents the creation of the child through the annihilation of the parents. Sounds significant.

Some of the candy made at Honeydukes has magical ingredients. Dried billywig is supposed to be used in Fizzing Whizbees. Would there be a magical ingredient in Droobles Best Bubblegum that's some kind of clue?

There are some suspicious things about the gum.

1. It seems like an odd thing to allow a mental patient with limited self-care ability. You don't want patients choking on gum.

2. The wrappers are always empty. Where's the gum?

3. The gum is supposed to "fill a room with bluebell-colored bubbles that refused to pop for days". Anyone seen any sign of these in St. Mungo's?

So, no one's chewing this gum, yet there are still wrappers. It's possible that Alice Longbottom is just doing a really good job of finding wrappers thrown away by visitors and that she hoards them until Neville comes to tell him . . . what?

If it's an ingredient clue, there are four people who might be able to figure it out.

1. Dumbledore, especially if it's a clue about something only he and the Longbottoms knew.

2. Madam Pomfrey. If it's a medical clue, she should get it. Besides, after years of treating Hogwarts students, she's probably seen everything that can be done with gum.

3. Professor Sprout. If it's about an ingredient from a plant, she might get it.

4. Professor Snape. He has the kind of sneaky mind that puts weird clues together and he knows all about weird ingredients. If he would know, a lot has got to happen before anyone who knows is likely to tell him about what happens when Neville visits his parents.

Another bit of trivia. According to a name book I read, Alice may come from the Greek word for truth so the name can also mean honest.

Neville's parents are Frank and Honest.

That's got to mean something.

Just jumping in out of the blue, here.

I haven't read all the posts so I don't know if this is covered already.

It's been mentioned on the alchemy link that, in alchemy, gum represents the creation of the child through the annihilation of the parents. Sounds significant.Hmm..did they chew gum when back alchemy was popular? I dunno. I do agree that thee might be some ingredient in the gum that can be used for something else. Like a potion or spell? Also interesting to know what has happened to the gum and/or bubbles.

:)

Hmm..did they chew gum when back alchemy was popular? fat i think was chewed and acted like gum, not sure when offical gum was developed.

fat i think was chewed and acted like gum, not sure when offical gum was developed.Oh gross!!!!

Blech!

:nc:

Why would Molly care if a muggleborn Hermione hooked up with a halfblood Harry? If she's a racist, as I suspect, it's her own pureblood offspring she will be concerned about.

I just thought halfblood Harry being the Boy-Who-Lived could possibly factor into Molly giving him some slack with your Molly-racist theory. Wouldn't she want a powerful wizard, such as Harry, be tied to her family one way or another?

Mrs. Longbottom might just think Neville likes the gum wrappers... He does keep it doesn't he?

OK and so maybe Mrs. Longbottom is trying to pass something. Maybe she wanted to tell Neville something in the same time keep on being insane so that Voldemort doesn't jump from behind a trash can and attack them with a cruciatus curse again. So there are many posibilities. J.K probably will turn out with something no one can think of. She always does that anyway.

It might just be because Mrs. Longbottom liked to eat DBBG. Who knows. She could. As I said, she might have thaught Neville likes it and wanted to share it with him. Its obvios cause Neville pocketed it or it could just be because he wanted to keep it because his mother gave it to him. J.K didn't tell why anyway.

I assume it was because his mother gave the wrapping to him, kind of like the only thing she could so he saved them instead of throwing the items away. Little memeto.

I just thought halfblood Harry being the Boy-Who-Lived could possibly factor into Molly giving him some slack with your Molly-racist theory. Wouldn't she want a powerful wizard, such as Harry, be tied to her family one way or another?

Shhhh........ :scared: That's a consideration. But remember, Harry's the Target.:agree:

I'm probably way off base with Molly. Most of the list is flimsey at best, but I just can't ignore the common garden rat being in the house for twelve years.
Everything else just kinds of backs up my suspicion that she knew it was Pettigrew all along. Her relationship with Percy worries me, too.

So i was reading Order and came to the chapter of the closed ward with Alice. I got the impression that Grandma Longbottom didnt care for her daughter-in-law she says that they were great and all but they way she treated her. Anyone else got this impression?

Hey Ellen.

Your post reminded me of Silver Ink Pot's Lex Luthor find.
October 18th, 2003, 12:56 am
silver ink pot

Hi, Freaky an Whizbang and All!

I have been looking for something new for us to talk about, and I tripped over a few things tonight. I was searching for something about famous villains who chew gum, and I found this from the Superman movie. This is a quote from Lex Luthor, Superman's arch enemy.


"Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe."
I found that on a movie trivia quiz:
http://www.twcnebraska.com/cable/ppv_may03.shtml

Think there's more information on those wrappers than we'e seen so far? What are the ingredients of gum ... :rolleyes:
Okay, magic gum? :D

The annhiliation of the parents is alarming, though.

I wonder if there's any elixor in the gum? :huh: Remember the page on JKR's website about the page from an early draft of PS/SS when Harry tells Ron and Hermione that the Stone was in his parent's vault? Is that why Lily didn't have to die? Did she give elixor to Harry? We're Harry and Neville chewing elixor flavored gum?

So i was reading Order and came to the chapter of the closed ward with Alice. I got the impression that Grandma Longbottom didnt care for her daughter-in-law she says that they were great and all but they way she treated her. Anyone else got this impression?
I can't really say I did. I'd look in the book to see what you mean, but my aunt has my copy. Do you have quotes to back this up? It'd help me understand what you mean.

Newsflash - well, sort of. JKR says that there are some things in the POA movie which are not in the book, but which anticipate things in future books. I finally got to see the movie today and it jumped right out when they are all in the Leaky Cauldron and looking at the Egypt photo. Hermione says "They worshipped cats in ancient Egypt." and Ron replies "They worshipped dung beetles, too." The family name of the dung beetles is Scarab and they are the kind modeled in jewelry and decorations of Egyptian shrines and tombs. They are a symbol of resurrection and victory over death. This is just the reason that the "Goblins were sold tomb bug" solution to the Droobles anagram is such a good one - it ties in Egypt, goblins, and the sort of magic Voldy desires. More confirmation for my prescient theory (he said humbly).

Scarab beetles
Used in the wit-sharpening potion (Scarabaeus sacer) the dung beetle
the dung beetle is seen rolling his ball and was considered illustrative of the Sun’s heavenly circuit and its daily self-renewal. Hence, a symbolical scarab carrying a solar disk upon its back represented the Sun’s cycle through the sky.


Scarabs were a symbolic of resurrection. and believed to be directly linked with the rising of the Sun, since the scarab was spiritually connected with the Sun-rise, it became closely associated with the Egyptian deity Khepri–"god of the rising Sun." In every aspect, scarabs and Egyptian Solar worship were inseparable. And it became the symbol of spontaneous generation, new life, and resurrection. It was often worn as a type of good luck charm.

I can't really say I did. I'd look in the book to see what you mean, but my aunt has my copy. Do you have quotes to back this up? It'd help me understand what you mean. "Again?" said Mrs. Longbottom, sounding slightly weary. "Very well, Alice dear, very well--Neville, take it, what ever it is..." page 514 Order American. "Very nice, dear," said Neville's grandmother in a falsely cheery voice, patting his mother on the shoulder." "Neville, put that wrapper in the bin, she must have given you enough of tem to paper your bedroom by now..." I know she is weary after all they probably came to visit her son and daughter-in-law every holidays for a long time but I cant help but wonder what her reactions would have been if they were Frank and not Alice. The first quote seems like she is treating Alice like a child and the second one does too. The last one is as if she is just tired of seeing those wrappers, but if Frank gave them to Neville would it be a little different? Granted it’s the only time we seen Neville grandmother and Alice together and interact but still. I got the impress that Granny Longbottom just didn’t approve of Alice. She did say they were talented, gifted, and popular but that's the impression I got when I was reading that scene. Almost as if she blamed Alice for making her son that way instead of Bellatrix. In fact she doesn’t bring up Bellatrix's name those responsible by saying that woman, her husband, and his brother or something along those lines like Petunia does when speaking of James and Lily.

Hermione says "They worshipped cats in ancient Egypt." and Ron replies "They worshipped dung beetles, too." The family name of the dung beetles is Scarab and they are the kind modeled in jewelry and decorations of Egyptian shrines and tombs. They are a symbol of resurrection and victory over death. This is just the reason that the "Goblins were sold tomb bug" solution to the Droobles anagram is such a good one - it ties in Egypt, goblins, and the sort of magic Voldy desires. More confirmation for my prescient theory (he said humbly).And we know that when Ron makes a joke, we better be paying attention. I'd say you are on the right track.

;)

Now we need to tie the 'Goblins were sold Tomb Bug' theory in with HBP. Here it is: In the story I based on the theory, I needed a link between Dobby and the goblins, and suggested that elves were just goblins that had been rendered weak by being raised exposed to sunlight (after all, The Quibbler would not say Fudge was going to use an army of haliopaths against them if they were not vulnerable to sunlight) Suppose that instead, they are related species and Dobby is half goblin, thus explaining his unelflike ways (seeking freedom and pay). Not only that but his goblin parent was the last representative of the goblin royal family, wiped out by Death Eaters (remember the goblin family destroyed by Death Eaters) after they had bought the tomb bug which opens the door to the thing Voldy wants in Egypt. Except they did not wipe out all of the family - they kept a baby that became the Malfoys' house elf. Ta-da! Dobby is the half-blood prince of the goblins, who was also very important in CoS. The first chapter will be the destruction of the goblin family.

:scared: Uh huh. Are you saying in the real book, or not? I've forgotten, how does Dobby tie in to this whole fiasco?

theres also a possibility that the only reason that jk put the wrappers into the story is because she chews gum a lot like what she admits on her website because she gave up smoking~but then this is harry potter and things are not always what they seem so hey, ya never know :huh:

:scared: Uh huh. Are you saying in the real book, or not? I've forgotten, how does Dobby tie in to this whole fiasco?

My fanfics were intended as reasonably faithful suggestions as to what the last two books might be like. The goblins were in as a result of the anagram of the gum wrappers 'goblins were sold tomb bug." Dobby was included in the fanfic because I thought there would be connections between elves and goblins (there are definite physical similarities) We also have some loose ends, such as the goblin family wiped out, why Dobby has acted quite unelflike, and the article in The Quibbler about 'goblin-crusher' Fudge preparing an army of heliopaths to destroy the goblins. If in Book 6 we are to have a 'half-blood prince' and some of these loose ends are to be addressed, then Dobby being the HBP is a better candidate than most, especially since he is also so critical to book 2.

My fanfics were intended as reasonably faithful suggestions as to what the last two books might be like. The goblins were in as a result of the anagram of the gum wrappers 'goblins were sold tomb bug." Dobby was included in the fanfic because I thought there would be connections between elves and goblins (there are definite physical similarities) We also have some loose ends, such as the goblin family wiped out, why Dobby has acted quite unelflike, and the article in The Quibbler about 'goblin-crusher' Fudge preparing an army of heliopaths to destroy the goblins. If in Book 6 we are to have a 'half-blood prince' and some of these loose ends are to be addressed, then Dobby being the HBP is a better candidate than most, especially since he is also so critical to book 2.*Cringing* I know I'm gonna get blasted for drifting so far off topic and I'm just waiting for the hammer to fall....*Laughing*

But I've a few questions about this. First Let me say its not a bad idea for a fan fic...(actually its quite good!). I wonder though if a 'Half-elf' like Dobby (if he is one) would be under the same restrictions that a full-elf (like Winky) would be? I mean to ask if Dobby was truly 'bound' to serve the Malfoys like most half blood elves? If so...why when Goblins apparently are not bound by such restrictions? Another question is about Dobby's magnificant powers. It would appear that Dobby uses a form of magic inaccessable to human mages and is extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) powerful, while as far as I know, we have no evidence that Goblins have any form of similiar magic. And yet he was bound by the same restrictions that full house elves are. Also, in the books does Dobby display any Goblin-like attributes? Does he look at all like a Goblin? The goblins do seem to resemble House Elves slightly. But does Dobby look anything at all like he has any Goblin blood in him? I dont know.

Re: a Half-blood Prince, I'm not yet sure what JKR means by this title. I immediately thought of Voldemort since he was a mudblood so to speak. But a prince of what? Is there a wizard monarchy? Was there ever? (Where's Hermione when I need her? *Chuckle*). As for Dobby, do we know he is half-blood for sure? If so, what is he and what is he a prince of?

More things that make me go 'Hmmm.....'

:huh:

To me the gum wrappers just seem to be what Alice chooses to give this nice boy who visits them a lot. I don't think she has any concept of him being her son. I believe his Grandma is probably very bitter ( and she has every right to be) about what happened, leaving her to raise Neville by herself but I dont think she is outright cruel to Neville.

As far as the gum wrappers being clues themselves...I just don't really think its gonna happen. I do think that there is the possiblity that maybe the Longbottoms are not quite recovering like they could be.

And as far as them having info, my understanding was that they were tortured to find out if they knew what happened to Voldemort. (it's been some time since I read the book) I never took it to mean they had important info that the DE's didn't want others to find out. Just my thoughts... ;)

*Cringing* I know I'm gonna get blasted for drifting so far off topic and I'm just waiting for the hammer to fall....*Laughing*

The way this thread has meandered!? - I think not! So far as I know, the only other thread that's supposed to be on a topic that has wandered more is Layers, which is really just a gossip thread for the hopelessly obsessed. :rotfl: Not like us, of course :scared:

But I've a few questions about this. First Let me say its not a bad idea for a fan fic...(actually its quite good!). I wonder though if a 'Half-elf' like Dobby (if he is one) would be under the same restrictions that a full-elf (like Winky) would be? I mean to ask if Dobby was truly 'bound' to serve the Malfoys like most half blood elves? If so...why when Goblins apparently are not bound by such restrictions? Another question is about Dobby's magnificant powers. It would appear that Dobby uses a form of magic inaccessable to human mages and is extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) powerful, while as far as I know, we have no evidence that Goblins have any form of similiar magic. And yet he was bound by the same restrictions that full house elves are. Also, in the books does Dobby display any Goblin-like attributes? Does he look at all like a Goblin? The goblins do seem to resemble House Elves slightly. But does Dobby look anything at all like he has any Goblin blood in him? I dont know.

Re: a Half-blood Prince, I'm not yet sure what JKR means by this title. I immediately thought of Voldemort since he was a mudblood so to speak. But a prince of what? Is there a wizard monarchy? Was there ever? (Where's Hermione when I need her? *Chuckle*). As for Dobby, do we know he is half-blood for sure? If so, what is he and what is he a prince of?

More things that make me go 'Hmmm.....'

:huh:

Of course, everything I said could be utter rubbish. Everyone is speculating about the HBP: it could turn out to be a mongrel dog named Prince for all we know. The mixed beings we have seen so far have a mixture of traits from their parents. Hagrid has much of the size, and occasionally the temper, of his mother, but he normally has the disposition and nurturing nature of his father. Fleur has a hypnotizing quality such as full veela, but nowhere near as intense, and apparently not the penchant for turning into a monster as veela do when cross. Maxime does not even seem to have the temper of a giant, but apparently she has the arrogance (or is that just from being French?). Who else is mixed? I can't think of any others. Remus is a diseased human, not a mixed one. Firenze is simply not a half-blood: he's full centaur by all information available.

So: for Dobby's powers and enchantments. Well, he seems to have some of the house elf nature in the intense loyalty, but he broke away enough to help Harry several times in CoS. We don't really know if he has goblin magical powers - which are said to be imposing - , elf magical powers or a heady combination of both. He likes to get paid, as would a goblin, but he doesn't go for top dollar. He enjoys serving humans, like an elf, but he rejects being a humans' slave. He is very much an enigma, which could be explained if he was a half-and half mix.

As for appearance, there is the similar stature, odd skin color (I've forgotten, are goblins brown or green?), and pointy ears. And yet goblins have beady eyes and elves have large round ones. BUT, goblins may only show a small portion of their actual eye size, and large eyes are a usual feature of nocturnal and troglodytic creatures, and we have most often seen goblins engaged in nighttime, indoor and underground pursuits, so large eyeballs would be expected, even if the eyelids cover most.

It certainly seems that wizards have done away with any sort of a monarchy. But that does not mean that the goblins, who have a rather parallel magical society (in some ways fully engaged with the wizards and in others quite separate), may not have royalty. Perhaps they are just waiting for their 'Return of the King' - that's it, Dobby is the goblin Aragorn! :lol: Okay, not exactly, but that is the sort of idea I'm suggesting. It's no worse than some of the other suggestions being bandied about. And it's no more outlandish than Scabbers being the cause of the Potters' deaths.

The way this thread has meandered!? - I think not! So far as I know, the only other thread that's supposed to be on a topic that has wandered more is Layers, which is really just a gossip thread for the hopelessly obsessed. Not like us, of course.


*raises eyebrow* You really want to repeat that? When was the last time you were on there? There's actually good theorizing there. Besides, I go on there. :p

Any way, back to the topic we're on. Given it's the right one.

Thanks for clarifying that Dedalus, you had me hopelessly lost for a minute.

Classic Wizar, I see where you're coming from, but I doubt she dislikes Alice. She was probably low on patience after a long visit. Besides, how excited can you get over a gum wrapper? :huh:

JKR mentioned in her March interview that Lupin is a half blood, and you gotta wonder about Flitwick.

JKR mentioned in her March interview that Lupin is a half blood, and you gotta wonder about Flitwick.

About Flitwick, absolutely one should wonder - I even made him half-goblin, half-wizard (and kin to Dobby) in my fanfics. I thought Lupin was supposed to be a regular wizard who happened to have been bitten by a werewolf - does that make a half-blood, or is he half-blood for some other reason (half-leprechaun, or gnome, or troll, or merperson)?

Is it just me, or has this thread suddenly become about Dedalus Diggle's fanfics. :p
He was born half blood. He's not half human, just half blood. Hagrid's half human, Harry's half blood. I think that the HBP is half blood, not half human.

Is it just me, or has this thread suddenly become about Dedalus Diggle's fanfics. :p
There's something wrong with that!? :D
I guess it's that we had hit a lull in the gumwrapper talk, and I started putting in my two knuts on how the 'tomb bug' theory could be compatible with the HBP title, which is, of course, THE hot topic right now.


He was born half blood. He's not half human, just half blood. Hagrid's half human, Harry's half blood. I think that the HBP is half blood, not half human.

Oh, okay: duh, what was I thinking. There's no reason he couldn't a half-blooded full-human. I had just gotten into a mode of thinking of those with parents of different species (whatever that means in the Potterverse)

Oh, okay: duh, what was I thinking. There's no reason he couldn't a half-blooded full-human. I had just gotten into a mode of thinking of those with parents of different species (whatever that means in the Potterverse)

:lol: Apparently you did. That's fine, I do that occasionally.


There's something wrong with that!? :D
I guess it's that we had hit a lull in the gumwrapper talk, and I started putting in my two knuts on how the 'tomb bug' theory could be compatible with the HBP title, which is, of course, THE hot topic right now.
Well.... not really. :p

Okay, now that we've covered how we can half a part human HBP fitting into your fanfics, let's see if we can find any connection between the gum, and the HBP (possibly being full human, mind.)

Droobles Best Blowing Gum

Half blood Prince.

You know, I think the Drooble can be made with letters from Half Blood Prince.

That leaves H A L F P I N C

chinflap???

The half blood prince has a chinflap and chews Droobles? Right. Any other ideas? Maybe the HBP gave the Longbottoms the idea of gum wrappers? Right... or maybe he's among those keeping them in St Mungos?

"Gold Bribe Below St. Mungo's" didn't seem fitting with the plot as we know it...So I tweaked it a little bit. What about:

"Big Lord Be Below St. Mungo's"

Just thinkin'.

That's something, too. I like it, even though I've become fond of the "Gold Bribe Below St Mungos." Any theories behind that phlying pheonix?

What I'm curious about is what does Voldemort want with the Longbottoms. They faced him thrice, but why? What had him after them? Or was it just because they were aurors? Some how, I doubt that.

They were members of the Order with a baby son?

It's my opinion that Neville's parents aren't as insane as they appear. It makes perfect sense! What if his parents know a lot more than people really think, and they just have to wait until the time is right to tell everyone? Faking insanity works all the time for criminals who want to get out of facing charges in court, so why not use it to avoid Voldemort's wrath? Also, when you go to JK Rowling's website, on her "desk" there are tons of bubble gum wrappers scattered around. Why would they be there if they were not important? Lots of things on her site she's said are clues. Maybe this is one of them?

JKR says she chews a lot of gum because she gave up cigarettes. And we suspect they are clues, too :agree:

Also, when you go to JK Rowling's website, on her "desk" there are tons of bubble gum wrappers scattered around. Why would they be there if they were not important? Lots of things on her site she's said are clues. Maybe this is one of them?Some have suggested that the Drooble's Best Blowing Gum" is an anagram for "Gold Bribe Below St. Mungo's". There are bribery theories, goblin theories, egyptian theories and more. So yes, I think the gum wrappers on JKR's desk are more than just about her quitting smoking. :)

Your over analysing the gum thing, imho. Its simply precious to Neville because it was given to him by his parents. They keep giving it to them because of a little fact which you might have forgotten: they are insane.

Your over analysing the gum thing, imho. Its simply precious to Neville because it was given to him by his parents. They keep giving it to them because of a little fact which you might have forgotten: they are insane.Hmmm...you may be right. But is that what insane people do? And are the Longbottoms truly insane?

Would JKR make such a point of focusing our attention on gum and gum wrappers if there was nothing to it?

Perhaps she would.

:eyebrows:

maybe the gum has some ingredient that will help the Longbottom out. After all the Murlap that Harry was soaking his hand in helped out the Twins with their um boils.

Hmmm...you may be right. But is that what insane people do? And are the Longbottoms truly insane?

Would JKR make such a point of focusing our attention on gum and gum wrappers if there was nothing to it?

Perhaps she would.

:eyebrows:

I think so, she often describes things in detail which have yet to be very important. This was showing us Neville still loved his parents very much though, as he cherished a simple piece of trash because they gave it to him.

I'm not sure what the outcome of the whole Neville/parents thing will be (obviously!) but I'm betting they're going to be a huge part of the story somehow - at the end when everything is tied up and two and two are put together in ways we'd never have guessed. The fact that Neville was the 'other posibility' and his parents were famous aurors who thrice defied Voldie must mean something.

They were members of the Order with a baby son?
They faced him three times before having Neville. I'm wondering if all of those times were with the Order, or if they had faced him before and if so, why?

Well, we're almost certainly going to get a lot more of the Longbottom tale - after all, the notes from JKR's site about Dean Thomas say that Dean's story was/is being sacrificed to the telling of Neville's more crucial story. To me, that supports my belief that the gum wrappers represent something more than just little bits of trash that Alice gives that nice boy who visits. As to whether she is trying to call attention to Drooble or to a person who habitually chews the gum, or there is a hidden message or an enchantment, I guess time will tell. But lack of information hasn't hindered our speculation yet.

Well, we're almost certainly going to get a lot more of the Longbottom tale - after all, the notes from JKR's site about Dean Thomas say that Dean's story was/is being sacrificed to the telling of Neville's more crucial story.
Of course! Isn't that what we've been saying since we found out? I can't wait to here the "Longbottom tale" ! There is too much speculation and too little information on the subject for us to be able to not have it!

But lack of information hasn't hindered our speculation yet.
Good thing too. If lack of information hindered any speculation, these forums would be practically deserted. All we speculate on is stuff we lack info on.

Most of the sweets as Fred and George demonstrated and as shown in Hogsmeade do have side effects on the children, perhaps the gum itself causes lapses of memory or something along those lines.
I can't say I ever noticed any actual side effects that weren't part of what the sweet was meant to do. Of course, I still don't have my fifth book, so I can't look it up and check.

If the gum caused lapses in memory, wouldn't that have been noted? I mean, we've never really seen anything to prove that. Gum in the muggle world is proven to help you remember things. Wouldn't it be ironic if Droobles did? :lol:

gum:
gummy, sticky, gluey

blue bubbles:
blue flames,

gum:
gumshoe, detective, secret revealer

gum wrapper:
trash, protection, identification :rolleyes:

If the gum caused lapses in memory, wouldn't that have been noted? I mean, we've never really seen anything to prove that. Gum in the muggle world is proven to help you remember things. Wouldn't it be ironic if Droobles did?

It reminds JKR not to smoke. Reminds, :lol: me of a remembrall. What does gum or gumwrappers remind us of? Or rather what should it bring to Neville's mind?

Gumwrapper.... It's a shell. An eggshell, perhaps? That reminds me of that hummingbird in the glass dome in the Department of Mysteries... That's useless! :lol:

EDIT: I just thought, what about time? The hummingbird had to do with time, and the gumwrapper is the gum's shell, and gum is like a rememberall, for something you're supposed to remember over time... nah, that's still useless! :rotfl: Maybe I should wait for some other people to give ideas with more substance than that.

ROFL!!! Thats pretty good though. :rotfl:

You know, it occurs to me that we haven't seen anyone actually chewing the gum have we?

On the train, I think Ron and Harry chewed some. Or maybe not. It was describing the sweets Harry got, and in that included "Droobles Best Blowing gum with blue bubbles that didn't pop for days" That isn't a direct quote, my book is stuck behind a roll-away bed, and I'm not in the mood to move it again.

I think it mentions them buying the gum, but not actually chewing it. Still, I suppose they ate it at some point. Bit pointless otherwise.

I think it mentions them buying the gum, but not actually chewing it. Still, I suppose they ate it at some point. Bit pointless otherwise.

And if it was relevant, you'd expect JKR to have mentioned it, perhaps in passing, as in saying 'Harry was able to blow the most enormous bubbles with the gum he had bought on the train, and had to find a place to stow it as it just would not pop for days.' It could be amde off-hand like that, and humorous, but a handy reference for later - IF it was important.

These posts were both from last august, on page 9. Interesting page. :eyebrows:


Hasn't anyone considered how useful Droobles Best Blowing Gum could be? It fills a room with giant bubbles that refuse to pop for days. Doesn't that sound a bit like a good way to hide, to deflect or block a curse, to provide a means of escape for someone?!

Maybe the clue isn't about her giving Neville the wrappers. Maybe she is asking for the gum saying she likes to give the wrappers to Neville and they are humouring her, and she is planning some kind of escape? If one piece of the gum can fill a room with huge unpoppable bubbles, what a great way to get out of what may well be quite a corrupt hospital, what with all the "donations" from death eaters such as Malfoy and dangerous plants somehow getting past the security! If the Longbottms WERE recovering, they wouldn't be likely to make it too obvious in there would they? They'd be at risk of someone "accidentally" administering some kind of potion to make them ill again. Perhaps they are stashing the gum? If the bubbles refuse to pop are they some kind of obstacle to curses?
They obviously aren't chewing the gum, they wouldn't be allowed to fill the hospital with bubbles for days. So it's going somewhere.



Well, I remember reading somewhere (earlier on this thread or on the Mimbulus Mimbletonia thread) that it is interesting that the people who were still alert at the end of the attack at the Ministry were the same ones who were squirted with stinksap on the train!

We know that Snape gave Umbridge a fake Veritaserum, so maybe he gave the Longbottoms something to ease their pain. Or perhaps when he was small he was having nightmares, so Snape gave Grandma something to help Neville forget. I wish we knew how Neville's grandfather died.

Hestia: Your post about the Lily Family inspired me to search for a link between Lilies and the name Alice, which isn't a flower name. I did a Google search for "Flowers + Lily + Alice" and all the references there were about "Alice's Adventures Through the Looking Glass." I never would have thought of that connection! I haven't read the Alice books in years and years, but it makes sense that Rowling might refer to them since they are another great British fantasy. I'm going to start a thread about this but wanted to post this information here as well.

I need to sit down and read both books again to see if there are more clues. Both the Alice books are online at:

http://sunsite.tus.ac.jp/coll/alice/alice_toc.html

This is a quote in which "Alice" is talking to a "Lily" in Through the Looking Glass - notice we have the mirror reference again.

CHAPTER II The Garden of Live Flowers

"O Tiger-lily," said Alice, addressing herself to one that was waving gracefully about in the wind, "I wish you could talk!" "We can talk," said the Tiger-lily: "when there's anybody worth talking to." Alice was so astonished that she couldn't speak for a minute: it quite seemed to take her breath away. At length, as the Tiger-lily only went on waving about, she spoke again, in a timid voice-- almost in a whisper. "And can all the flowers talk?" "As well as you can," said the Tiger-lily. "And a great deal louder."

This is in a garden of flowers, where you might expect a "bee," as in Dumbledore. In fact, chapter three is about all the insects in the Looking Glass Garden and a knat hums in her ear and tells her about them!

In Alice in Wonderland, the girl and a large caterpillar have a talk about remembering things:

I'm afraid I am, sir," said Alice; "I can't remember things as I used--and I don't keep the same size for ten minutes together!" "Can't remember what things?" said the Caterpillar. "Well, I've tried to say 'How doth the little busy bee,' but it all came different!" Alice replied in a very melancholy voice.

And in the chapter, "The Mock Turtle's story," Alice talks to a Gryphon about a strange school that he and the Mock Turtle attend!

:wow: I must just be slow, or I've missed something, because I've never realized how many symbols and things the Potter Books and the Alice Books have in common! I know in different parts of Through the Looking Glass and Alice in Wonderland, she takes pills and eats candy and cakes. Anyone here more familiar with these books than illiterate me? I'm about to start a new thread about this, so start thinking!

Does anyone know if this has been discussed before? I did a search and saw nothing about it.

On the train, I think Ron and Harry chewed some. Or maybe not. It was describing the sweets Harry got, and in that included "Droobles Best Blowing gum with blue bubbles that didn't pop for days" That isn't a direct quote, my book is stuck behind a roll-away bed, and I'm not in the mood to move it again.Oops! I'm sorry. I meant we havent actually seen anyone in St. Mungos chewing this gum. If it was being chewed, I'd think there would be some complaints about bubbles which surely would be blown at some point. This is why I wonder if the gum is used for something else. Maybe to seal up something? Maybe as an ingredient in some form of magic? I dunno.

:)

To seal up the gold beneath St Mungos? As for those two posts, that's interesting. Very interesting. Now I don't question why we have the new ones try and read the thread... I might have to reread it sometime.

This is one of the most interesting threads on the forums. For some reason, there was a real burst of creative thinking around last Oct/Nov on the boards.

This thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=16657&page=1&pp=30&highlight=alice) is related.

That thread is interesting. I haven't read Alice in Wonderland yet, unfortunately. My friend has already told me I should. I'd probably understand that thread better if I read it. Maybe I'll be able to find some connection of my own...

-knocks on the locked door, which opens to reveal her old friends and the clues of the bubblegum wrapper, then leaps into the room- Guess who?! Have you lot missed me? I fell incredibly behind and finally resolved myself from catching up before posting, lest I ne'er return to the wonders of bubblegum. (-tear-) So, what have I missed?

I did read bits of it, so I'll comment on those. First... on this Voldemort's-most-faithful-servant thing: whiz, how dare you! Molly? A Death Eater? Although... I suppose, to be fair, there might be some misleading evidence. ;) Second, while I agree Tonks may be a Death Eater, she can't be the MOST faithful a) because she's too young to have been and b) because she wasn't anywhere near Hogwarts the night of Voldemort's rebirth. Fudge is possible, though, he was judging and... have we given Bagman any thought?

Hear me out on this a moment (though I know I digress from the topic of the thread; I'll return to it). Bagman, we know, has connections with the goblins (guess where this is going?). He had some very high bet with them and, for some reason, my insticts seem to say it was made before the World Cup. So, if gold was his bid, what was their? Tomb bug, anyone? He could have been attempting to win it for Voldemort. Or, to stick more closely to the anagram, perhaps he had it and bet it against the goblins. (I'm just drawing straws, obviously, but feel free to tear it apart.) He was present that night and was always trying to help Harry through the competetion. He was always hanging around too; he would have been well placed.

But, if anyone could give me a brief explanation, is there any reason it shouldn't be Barty Jr.? Besides that we hardly trust anything anyone in the series says anymore?

Fleur would be too young, but I think we'd have difficulty writing off where she couldn't at least be a vital hand to the Dark Order. Being part-veela has it's advantages, namely that irresistable, almost spellbinding charm -- who needs the Imperious Curse or a Truth Serum? Plus, now she's working for Gringotts, she'd be well-placed, both to apprehend the hypothetical tomb bug and to interrogate Bill, who is a member of the Order -- those private lesson to "eemprove 'er Eenglish" may have seemed a silly little detail thrown out by jealous younger brothers (who are actually closer to her age), but can we be sure? Jo doesn't seem one to waste anything, not from what we've seen.

Looks like lately it's been the actual effects of the gum and what they could signify. I won't say much on the topic, not having much to say but to respond to GryffindorSeeker's post of earlier -- if the gum did cause lapses in memory, then nobody would remember the effect to record it, would they? ;)

Now that you all mention it though, I don't think we ever HAVE seen anyone chew the gum? That's very... interesting. Must go ponder that one.

And, Ded, in your last post, were you implying there's absolutly no signifcance to the gum itself? Or rather the bubbles it produces?

Unfortuantly, guys, this is as far as I was able to get. I hope you'll forgive me for being impatient to return. Anyway, I'll be back as often as time allows now. :) Ta-ta!

Hi, Furry!

I guess we've all read the title the "Half-Blood Prince" by now. Has anyone been doing any anagramming. Of course, this isn't the thread for that, but I did notice that the word "Drooble" is part of Half Blood Prince! :eyebrows:

What do you think of these anagrams?

Drooble Pal Finch

Finch Lap Drooble

Filch Drooble Nap

Filch Drooble Pan

Chin Flap Drooble

Drooble Pa Flinch

Drooble Flap Inch

Alf Pinch Drooble

Hi Furry and SIP

Wow. Lots of anagrams. I only came up with chinflap. :lol:
Has anyone tried anagram without Drooble? :blush: I haven't. :blush:
Now that JKR has answered the Evans question, I guess the point has been proved that any question she was willing to answer couldn't be very important. And as the gum wasn't in the poll ..... :eyebrows: :clap:

I've been kind of absorbed in PoA lately and PS/SS. (Actually I've been listening to the tapes with the kids.) I want to reread GoF and OotP this summer. There are so many details.

Like Harry's dream about Molly sobbing over Kreacher's dead body while Ron and Hermione, wearing crowns, watched. Harry's dreams are interesting to me.

But maybe in this venerable thread, we could start to track Neville from book one and try to see how Neville and his story are developed each step along the way. What hints have been dropped along the way. Where else do we see see DBBG? I think it's first introduced on Harry's first train ride to Hogwarts when the lady with the food and candy asked Harry and Ron if they wanted anything from the trolly.

:) Harry was surprised there were no Mars bars. :)

It might be possible that the gum wrappers arent a signal to neville at. It could be that the Longbottoms just needed an inconspicuous way of getting all of the wrappers out of St. Mungos without anyone noticing that they had stockpiles of gum (In which case Neville could be in on it). Why would this be...well one reason could be that they need the gum itself for something and it would be suspicous to anyone *coughDEATHEATERScough* keeping a watch on them if they saw a bunch of gum wrappers lying around the ward. I mean if there have truely been as many wrappers as his grandmother says, then what are they doing chewing so much gum when they should be taking potions and getting healed?? The answer is that they aren't chewing it! The gum's bubbles are said to last for a long time so obviously the gum has some magical power, which the Longbottoms might need either to get better or get free. It could be that the Longbottoms aren't as "sick" as they would have us believe and they needed to destroy the evidence of their recovery until it is benifical for them to show it.

Kind of like removing the dirt from a tunnel one teaspoon at a time? It's as good a guess as any. As for Neville being in on it, maybe he is now, but how long has he been getting these wrappers and why hasn't anyone ever been seen actually producing all these bubbles? Maybe the bubbles aren't what they are advertised to be.

I think I see a glass elevator coming.

I haven't read every post in this thread, but I like what I'm hearing so far. As a newcomer to this forum, I am encouraged that so many of you have given so much thought to the significance of the gum wrappers--it must have some significance to the future books. I'm sure some thought has been given to the fact that Neville's forgetfulness seems similar to Bertha Jorkins. I wonder if the gum might in some way be related to Memory Charms. I would enjoy hearing your thoughts.

You know, the bubblegum could just be related to the fact that when JKR quit smoking, she took up gum. Therefore, gum was on her mind a lot while writing the stories.

Though I never quite believed in Mark Evans, his demise has made me quite a cynic about hidden meanings in the series.

Shauna

Looks like lately it's been the actual effects of the gum and what they could signify. I won't say much on the topic, not having much to say but to respond to GryffindorSeeker's post of earlier -- if the gum did cause lapses in memory, then nobody would remember the effect to record it, would they? ;)

Wouldn't the people around the people chewing the gum notice it? I mean, it would be pretty obvious when the makers were testing the gum, and the one they were testing on suddenly began to forget everything and that continued? You would think that if gum caused memory lapses, something would have been mentioned a couple times.

Either it doesn't perform as advertised, or they're not chewing it?

listen to this...

"droobles best blowing gum" with letters switched is "gold bribe below st mungos".
We are told @ the Quidditch World Cup that Lucius Malfoy made a "generous donation" to St. Mungo's Hospital. Perhaps the Longbottoms do know some way to fight Voldemort and Malfoy is just bribing someone on the inside to keep them locked up...?

I personally think that at least Mrs. Longbottom has regained her sanity and is trying to convey to her son that somethings happening secretly at St. Mungo's.

I wouldn't care about the gum wrappers normally. I would normally think that the gum wrappers were just a sad sign of Mrs Longbottom's insanity and Neville's useless, depressing efforts to connect with her. However, I have distrusted St Mungo's ever since I learned that Malfoy was a big donor. The Ministry is corrupt. Hogwarts has had Death Eaters infiltrate it. Can St Mungo's really be safe? Sure, Malfoy used his donation to prove what an upstanding citizen he was, but it's Malfoy. He doesn't throw money around for no reason. I don't know whether the Longbottoms are insane or not, and I think that in any case, Neville truly believes they are. But if there is a cure out there for them, they aren't receiving it, and I'd bet Malfoy has something to do with it.

-Dr Dementor

the1hefeared, you might want to read this thread. We've discussed this, and some of the stuff we have on it might interest you.

Either it doesn't perform as advertised, or their not chewing it?

Perhaps either. What have we seen that doesn't perform as advertised in the wizarding world? I'm guessing they don't chew it. Maybe they act like they like the pretty paper, so the healers give it to them.

Wouldn't the people around the people chewing the gum notice it? I mean, it would be pretty obvious when the makers were testing the gum, and the one they were testing on suddenly began to forget everything and that continued? You would think that if gum caused memory lapses, something would have been mentioned a couple times.

Well, if the gum helped memory rather than hurting it, then you wouldn't notice much effect in people who were already pretty much okay. To kill memory, they should be given Ol' Janx Spirit.

But if the Longbottoms are chewing the gum, then where are the bubbles - they last for days, and they'd have to be chewing it pretty often - I say they are storing it up for an escape, so they can chew several pounds at once and blow an air bag the size of a small house while they hang out of the window - then they'll drop the air bag to the ground, jump down onto it and escape. Unfortunately, they will discover that it is actually made of Flubber, and when they try to jump onto it, they will be propelled into orbit.

:lol: It's as good a guess as any, Ded. Maybe that's how Arthur made the Ford Anglia fly! He put Drooble's in the gas tank! :rotfl:

Hmmm.... Half-Blood Prince does have the word 'Drooble' in it, doesn't it! I hadn't even begun thinking about anagraming it yet; I had just been going through lists of half-bloods -- they're really not so many, at least that we know of. So... if there was a Flinch Drooble who had an 11 year old son just entering Hogwarts.... But then, Filch is in there too. Maybe Filch had a sister who married Drooble and we're supposed to go to her for advice? Or -- how's this? -- we're supposed to look to Justin Flinch-Fletchy's parents, whichever one was named Flinch! :lol: This is fun!

Anyway, away I go for another day! Enjoy yourselves!

:lol: I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. Poor Justin.... maybe he's the half-blood prince? But, let's not get back into that again, that's a different thread, and let's stick to chewing bubble-gum and thinking about it.

I think Justin is muggleborn. But now we know that Dean's father was a wizard.
So what's the earliest mention of Neville in the books? I think it's when Hermione appears in Harry and Ron's compartment looking for Trevor. JKR mentioned that Trevor was still around. :eyebrows:

I had forgotten about that. Thanks Whiz.
The earliest mention of Neville was when he was telling his Gran at the Platform that he had lost Trevor again.

I had forgotten about that. Thanks Whiz.
The earliest mention of Neville was when he was telling his Gran at the Platform that he had lost Trevor again.

Maybe Trevor is the HBP.

Seriously now, another thought has occurred to me. In folklore, rightful kings have extraordinary, even magical, healing powers. You see this in LOTR, although it was presented as Aragorn having such extensive knowledge of herbs. It was said in the Middle Ages, probably before, that the touch of the king would cure scrofula (a disease, infectious I believe, but I have forgotten what the modern name is).

Perhaps the HBP will have kingly healing powers - could the Longbottoms be aware of this and using the gumwrappers to try to get the help of the HBP so that they, or perhaps Neville with all his limitations, can recover?

Maybe Trevor is the HBP.

Seriously now, another thought has occurred to me. In folklore, rightful kings have extraordinary, even magical, healing powers. You see this in LOTR, although it was presented as Aragorn having such extensive knowledge of herbs. It was said in the Middle Ages, probably before, that the touch of the king would cure scrofula (a disease, infectious I believe, but I have forgotten what the modern name is).
Well speaking of folklore, trevor could be the HBP for other reasons. In fairy tales princes are often disguised as frog/toads, and in the HP universe peolpe can turn into animals either of their own free will or by someone else. And what other animal do we see that acts just like trevor.... Scabbers of course. Both animals seem to always be trying to get away and, (if this theory is correct) both are/were in hiding with a PUREBLOOD family.

On a less logical tangent that goes along with this theory; If Minerva McGonagall is the "Queen" of the series for the "good" side, then Hernione Granger is undoubtedly the "Princess". And the first time we ever see Hermione is when she is looking for Trevor (her/the Prince). Who else but a quote/unquote princess could bring out trevors true nature.... :huh: I know its a stretch but what the hey.....

Now linking this all back to bubble gum, cause thats what this thread is about. Maybe the gum, if chewed by someone transfigured, could restore them to their original state. And thats what his parents are trying to tell Neville because they might know his true identity but have either forgotten it or are to far gone to explain it to him, but in the deepest part of their minds they still realize that the answer to everything is Bubble Gum!

Now linking this all back to bubble gum, cause thats what this thread is about. Maybe the gum, if chewed by someone transfigured, could restore them to their original state. And thats what his parents are trying to tell Neville because they might know his true identity but have either forgotten it or are to far gone to explain it to him, but in the deepest part of their minds they still realize that the answer to everything is Bubble Gum!

What rotten luck - the HBP happens to have been turned into a creature lacking in teeth, so he can't chew the healing bubble gum :rotfl:

What rotten luck - the HBP happens to have been turned into a creature lacking in teeth, so he can't chew the healing bubble gum :rotfl:
LOL, Nice! I forgot about that little snag... Maybe he just has to swallow it.... OOOOOHHHH i got it.... Okay ready.... the toad already swallowed it, but you know how it takes 7 years for gum to digest, well maybe neville gave it to him... no better yet, his parents gave it to him 7 years ago which fits because that would be right before bellatrix came, and now that he's digested it, hes gonna turn back sometime in there sixth year!! :rotfl:

Sometimes i amaze myself

LOL, Nice! I forgot about that little snag... Maybe he just has to swallow it.... OOOOOHHHH i got it.... Okay ready.... the toad already swallowed it, but you know how it takes 7 years for gum to digest, well maybe neville gave it to him... no better yet, his parents gave it to him 7 years ago which fits because that would be right before bellatrix came, and now that he's digested it, hes gonna turn back sometime in there sixth year!! :rotfl:

Sometimes i amaze myself

Or maybe someone will have to chew it for him. I know - Hermione will be chewing Droobles when she kisses him in an attempt to turn him into a prince and she'll lose her gum. She'll take credit until the end when Trevor the Prince uses his regal healing powers to cure the Longbottoms and they reveal what really did it. (And then everyone will look askance at Hermione for kissing a toad and expecting a prince - and worse, losing her gum in the process :lol:).

LOL, Nice! I forgot about that little snag... Maybe he just has to swallow it.... OOOOOHHHH i got it.... Okay ready.... the toad already swallowed it, but you know how it takes 7 years for gum to digest, well maybe neville gave it to him... no better yet, his parents gave it to him 7 years ago which fits because that would be right before bellatrix came, and now that he's digested it, hes gonna turn back sometime in there sixth year!!

No... that can't be right. If the Longbottom's attack came seven years ago, then Neville would have been 8. And... well :blushes: I did out a timeline of, well, everyone. If Crouch Jr. was 19 when he attacked (or didn't attack, I'm not convinced) the Longbottoms, Neville would have been 3. Or... I think.... No, maybe I had those numbers in my head ahead of time.... -looks confused-

And, for curiosity's sake, are we suggesting Trevor was once a wizard prince (and coincidentally, a half-blood wizard) and that he'll turn out to be the prince we're searching for? :lol: Well, anything's possible! But... -looks around fearfully- I diverge.

And, for curiosity's sake, are we suggesting Trevor was once a wizard prince (and coincidentally, a half-blood wizard) and that he'll turn out to be the prince we're searching for? :lol: Well, anything's possible! But... -looks around fearfully- I diverge.
Perhaps you don't diverge, but instead you divulge - admit it, Triple-F, you in fact are JKR! :whistle:

Question....I can't remember how long Neville's parents have been hospitalized. I know that they were tortured some time after Voldemort's defeat, but I don't recall if a definite time was given. If a definite time was given, could someone quote the passage? Thanks.

Perhaps you don't diverge, but instead you divulge - admit it, Triple-F, you in fact are JKR! :whistle:AHHA!

*Yelling sieze her, as I pull out my wand*

"We finally caught you" *Dumbledoreish look of triumph* "Admit it...You're the Half Blood Prince aren't you J.K.!"

listen to this...

"droobles best blowing gum" with letters switched is "gold bribe below st mungos".
We are told @ the Quidditch World Cup that Lucius Malfoy made a "generous donation" to St. Mungo's Hospital. Perhaps the Longbottoms do know some way to fight Voldemort and Malfoy is just bribing someone on the inside to keep them locked up...?

I personally think that at least Mrs. Longbottom has regained her sanity and is trying to convey to her son that somethings happening secretly at St. Mungo's.

This anagrams seems like too much of a coincidence not to be significant. I think it obvious now that the Death Eaters (specifically Lucius Malfoy) have some influence over what goes on at St. Mungo's, and that money plays a part in that influence. I wonder, though, if there is more to the gum than what the anagram exposes. Also, now that Lucius is locked up in Azkaban, how will things change at St. Mungo's? Will his wife continue to make contributions? If so, is she fully aware of what her husband was up to?