X-Men 1 and 2

I saw that there is a thread for the 3rd X-Men movie, but there isn't one for the first two. So here it is! Discuss away!

Yay! Thanks PBG for bringing this up!

I remember seeing the first film, I genuinely loved it straightaway! Wolverine, having always been my favourite character, was just perfectly played, I adored him in the film, and Hugh Jackman rightfully deserved the recognition that came with it.

I don't think any of the actors left their parts down, the entire system was very well conceived across the board, and to that extent, the first film is my favourite.

The conflict buildup in the second film isn't my favourite. The involvement of Wolverine's back story, I thought, took away from it all a bit. I was gald to hear that story, but I think it stilted the film overall. Still though, I did enjoy it with Jean Grey's talents being slowly recognised and the use of the Professor to further that awful cause was both crude and callous- perfectly done by all involved.

One of my favourite things throughout all of this was Bobby, who really showed great moral fibre- I loved him, even though I had never liked his character in other productions.
Storm also became a big favourite of mine, I think Halle Berry did a great job with her role.

I like the first film alot, it's great as a first film to the trilogy and introduces the characters well, but the second film is where it's at. The second film is excellent. It's a shame the third film sucked though (IMO).

X-Men - 8/10
X2 - 9/10
X3 - 4/10

The first film is the N.3 in my "best super-hero movies" list (it was N.1 till Batman Begins and, then, The Dark Knight; it doesn't take any merit off it, just that the Batman movies are wonderful). Very well written, great characters... and, of course Wolverine :drool: (sorry). I love the way they introduce Rogue and the hell she has to endure every day, and her relationship with Wolverine.

Xmen 2 is a good movie, too, though it doesn't reach the standard of the first movie. However, I loved the whole about Nightcrawler. The first scene (the attack at the White House) is one of the best openings I've ever seen in a movie; the soundtack helped here, too (and, besides, gave me a good argument to reply to those who say Mozart's a bore). Hugh Jackman was wonderful again; every time he meets Jean Grey you can feel the chemistry between them (and hate Cyclops for being in the middle).

And then you end up feeling very sorry for Cyclops in the end! Because he never wanted anything bad to happen to Jean, and then he ended up losing it all because of her! :( He did a great job as the arrogant one protecting "his girl", and I really came to like him, even though I wished it was Wolverine and Jean Grey who had the relationship. :sigh:

As for Nightcrawler, I thought he was brilliant. His focus on the morals of his life and the lives of others were brilliant- and it was one of the few films in this genre where God fitted in, if you get me. A faithful mutant was something I hadn't expected- I hadn't known Nightcrawler was to be involved at all. His interactions with Storm were brilliant!

I loved the first two X-Men movies :D... they were a blast to watch!! The movie makers did a good job in terms of casting for them... all of the people who starred in them, resembled the characters themselves and did a good job acting as them.

I really like the first two X-men, however there are some things I'm not to fond of, and they did kind of bother the comic nerd in me.

For one, I thought Jackman did a great job, however, I didn't like that they toned down Wolverine a bit in the second (and way to much in the third). Wolverine's very anti-social, we needed to see his gruffness and unpleasantness more. And I was annoyed at how they portrayed him fighting. Wolverine's supposed to be an ex-assassin/government agent, and a master of multiple martial arts forms, not a brawler with claws.

Also, I didn't like how they never explained the internal battle within Wolverine. One of the interesting things about him is that he's always fighting the animal within himself. He strives for inner peace, and yet in fights he'll slip into an uncontrollable animalistic rage. He'll go completely beserk and butcher everyone. And then he'll hate himself, because he can't control himself.

Besides that, I also didn't like Sabertooth in X1. He wasn't Sabertooth at all. Sabertooth is a sadistic, taunting, fast talking butcher. He's also what Wolverine is afraid of becoming, a man who has not only not tried to control his animal side, but embraced it and become a true murder. Sabertooth in X1 didn't have a personality, he was just a growling thug. They should have replaced him with someone like Blob.

Actually, I agree with you about all of that- those were notable flaws in the films! :D

I suppose I'm still, however, inclined to like the way Wolverine was shown to using those films. I see him as having developed quite a good deal both just before the events of the first one, and in the run of the second and third. I had always assumed, though I'm not sure why, that when origins: Wolverine came out, this would be more addressed and shown to us better. I think they might have gotten rid of it because he was an anti hero, but they couldn't put too much baggage on him. He had to be dependable too, and I don't think the complexities of his story would have fitted in what are primarily ensemble films.

As for Sabretooth, he was a disappointment. As you say, he was turned into a thug and a bully, with no back story, no relevance, and mostly for comic relief. Which I do appreciate, but did it have to be Sabretooth that they converted?! :lol:!

Actually, I agree with you about all of that- those were notable flaws in the films! :D

I suppose I'm still, however, inclined to like the way Wolverine was shown to using those films. I see him as having developed quite a good deal both just before the events of the first one, and in the run of the second and third. I had always assumed, though I'm not sure why, that when origins: Wolverine came out, this would be more addressed and shown to us better. I think they might have gotten rid of it because he was an anti hero, but they couldn't put too much baggage on him. He had to be dependable too, and I don't think the complexities of his story would have fitted in what are primarily ensemble films.

As for Sabretooth, he was a disappointment. As you say, he was turned into a thug and a bully, with no back story, no relevance, and mostly for comic relief. Which I do appreciate, but did it have to be Sabretooth that they converted?! :lol:!

Exactly, and I don't want to give the wrong impression, I really like the X-men films. And had X-men 1 not done as well as it had, we wouldn't have all superhero movies we have today. It kind of kick started the superhero craze.

And while Sabertooth was a huge disappointment in X1, I can't wait to see what Liev Schriber does with him in Origins.

You're correct, it did start a whole new superhero phase- the phase of the darker, dirtier and grimmer anti hero. I'm entirely grateful to XMen for providing that- I thought nobody ever would! :lol:!

I was so impressed with pretty much every actor on screen during the first two movies. Not a single one of them (except where scripted, as we have noted above) were out of character enough to warrant a huge change. Even the ideals and social thought behind it were pretty much the same as what I recall from when I was younger reading the comics.

And personally, I'm just glad they didn't put Hugh Jackman in a yellow suit. :no:

And personally, I'm just glad they didn't put Hugh Jackman in a yellow suit. :no:

Personally, I think Hugh Jackman would have been great even in a yellow suit.

Personally, I think Hugh Jackman would have been great even in a yellow suit.

Your claim is one of great strength and quality :agree:. I have come to agree that Hugh Jackman in yellow would still be :drool:.

Just as long as it wasn't spandex- that was what I liked about the films. It was leather, not spandex. It was depression and angst, not saving the world without consequence. There was always a consequence. And I can't pin Magneto down in the films either- I like him because he appreciates Charles Xavier. I don't think he was all bad, I just think he was misled by what he saw as a child. I hope that can be discussed more in Origins, because the sector where he's brought to the camp as a child is a brilliant scene of the (second?) film.

Your claim is one of great strength and quality :agree:. I have come to agree that Hugh Jackman in yellow would still be :drool:.

Just as long as it wasn't spandex- that was what I liked about the films. It was leather, not spandex. It was depression and angst, not saving the world without consequence. There was always a consequence. And I can't pin Magneto down in the films either- I like him because he appreciates Charles Xavier. I don't think he was all bad, I just think he was misled by what he saw as a child. I hope that can be discussed more in Origins, because the sector where he's brought to the camp as a child is a brilliant scene of the (second?) film.

It was the first film.

And I actually wouldn't have minded a more realistic take on some of the costumes (kind of Watchmen or TDK like). But for Wolverine I wouldn't have used yellow, I would have gone with the brown and yellow design, but replace the yellow with black. And probably keep him maskless, it's hard to imagine the comic mask working in live action.

Yes, I liked the no mask idea. Left the face open to more interpretation. It actually annoyed me in a sense that Cyclops clarity and power of delivery, vocally, were somewhat lost by his own "mask", his glasses. I still liked him, but that did aggravate me slightly, I have to admit. I know it's part of his character, but I regretted not seeing his eyes. I suppose it brings across his discomfort in a sense though, which is good! I hadn't thought of it like that before now.

And thanks for telling me it was the first film- I remember now! :D

I think my favorite joke in the first one is when Wolverine fails the metal object detector in the statue of liberty. Cyclops gives him a look, but then Wolverine retaliates with a certain claw gesture!

I liked the CGI of the films in general- that was something I'd forgotten to mention. The entire thing was just really well done, from the characters movements and the weather changes to the buildings being destroyed and everything. I really thought those were very realistic!

Having never read the X-Men comics, I don't know in what ways the movies differ. However, I've always liked X-Men 1 and 2 better than X-Men 3. I really like the story arc of X2, and the introduction to the X-Men universe in X1. I agree with vampiricduck that they special effects were very well done in both movies: not overdone, but enough to get the point across and enhance the story.I think my favorite joke in the first one is when Wolverine fails the metal object detector in the statue of liberty. Cyclops gives him a look, but then Wolverine retaliates with a certain claw gesture!Lol I quite enjoyed that part too. :lol: And the part where Wolverine was trying to prove to Cyclops that it was really him, after battling Mystique who had taken on his shape. ;)

Oh yeah that was funny too! I'm going to watch that movie again.

The first one was better than the second. Partly because we got to see more Rogue in it and it was mostly centered around Rogue and Wolverine. Magneto was a better villian than the guy in X2.

For me, the series isn't a trilogy. The first two films are so much better than the third one and I could do very well without it. I would have loved for Rogue to be a stronger character but it was tolerable in the first and second film.

It's true. And getting rid of Jean Grey within the space of the three films as a whole was, I felt, a bad idea. It felt to me as though the whole thing was thrown out of focus, so I didn't like that at all. :no:. I preferred the tension between Cyclops, Wolverine and Jean.

I liked the whole Pheonix thing with Jean in the third movie, but she didn't have to die in X2. I thought it was very unnesessary.

I thought her entire changeover was totally out of focus with the rest of the films- even the third film. I see the purpose of it in relation to the second film, but it totally made a plot point that wasn't necessary to deal with in the third film.

It lost us Xavier, Cyclops, Jean herself.. So I wasn't too much of a fan! :lol:!

I did not like what happened to Rogue in X3. She is one of my absolute favorite characters and the fact that they got rid of her and gave her that stupid Cure, irks me! :grumble: Part of the reasons why I didn't like X3. The battle was very good in it, but the rest was just completely outta wack.

Gotta go buy myself the trilogy now (kinda hypocritical of me when I said I didn't like X3 much, but...), bye!

One thing that bothered me is that if Victor Creed is supposed to be Sabertooth later on, there's no hint of their prior relationship in X-Men 1, given that they had a conflict on such a personal level. Even though Logan lost his memories, Victor hadn't, so I feel like there should be some sort of explanation to the way Sabertooth doesn't seem to recognize his brother in X-Men 1.I think it is hinted at in X-Men 1. If you remember Sabretooth takes Wolverines dog tags and stares at them. I think that was meant to be a subtle hint that they knew each other.While it's true that Sabertooth looks at Wolverine's tags, he doesn't really react to them as someone who is not only Wolverine's half brother, but had such a personal conflict with him. As a fan who's never read the comics, I'm not sure if it's canon that Victor is actually Sabertooth, or if it's an idea that the movie fandom introduces. Also, if Sabertooth was really Logan's brother, how could he have lived for more than a century without regenerative powers like Wolverine's? :hmm:I did not like what happened to Rogue in X3.I think I'd have to agree. But I can understand that she did it out of love, because she genuinely wanted to be with Bobby.

I think I'd have to agree. But I can understand that she did it out of love, because she genuinely wanted to be with Bobby.

But Bobby! :lol: I'll never get over the fact that Rogue was just a love-sick, jealous teenager who never lived up to her potential. Also, where was the epic romance between Rogue and Gambit? :upset:

While it's true that Sabertooth looks at Wolverine's tags, he doesn't really react to them as someone who is not only Wolverine's half brother, but had such a personal conflict with him. As a fan who's never read the comics, I'm not sure if it's canon that Victor is actually Sabertooth, or if it's an idea that the movie fandom introduces. Also, if Sabertooth was really Logan's brother, how could he have lived for more than a century without regenerative powers like Wolverine's? :hmm:.


Yes Victor Creed is Sabretooth. In the comics it is never stated that they are brothers but friends who worked on the Weapon X program.

Sabretooth does have a healing factor just like Wolverines. That is his mutant ability.

The brother angle is something they did for the movie. Unfortunately when making adaptations they twist certain things to fit for a movie audience. I assume they wanted to go for a more sentimental storyline between the two. I didn't care for it. But then again I am a comic book geek and would have rather they stayed more true to that.

I'm in agreement over the Rogue factor from the films all because Halle Berry and co wanted more emphasis on their own characters because they were the biggest stars in the movies plus Paquin was busy!! They should of made if at another time!! I wouldn't have minded waiting longer for a much better thrid movie!!

If they ever made a continuation of the story, since Magneto seems to be regaining his powers, then everyone should regain their powers and perhaps, Rogue felt lost and then they establish a relationship between her and Mystique much like the comics and cartoon!!

The only thing is, is that they killed off Summers as well!!

I loved the first two movies, I think Singer did a great job at reinventing the series for a modern day audience!!

I'm in agreement over the Rogue factor from the films all because Halle Berry and co wanted more emphasis on their own characters because they were the biggest stars in the movies plus Paquin was busy!! They should of made if at another time!! I wouldn't have minded waiting longer for a much better thrid movie!!

If they ever made a continuation of the story, since Magneto seems to be regaining his powers, then everyone should regain their powers and perhaps, Rogue felt lost and then they establish a relationship between her and Mystique much like the comics and cartoon!!

The only thing is, is that they killed off Summers as well!!

I loved the first two movies, I think Singer did a great job at reinventing the series for a modern day audience!!
I agree. There was actually a lot of pointless stuff in the movie and I think we all could've waited a bit longer for a better film.

:agree: They should do that. I've read fan-fictions like that, where the Cure just turned out to be a temporary thing and if they did that in the movies, I would be such a happy fan-girl. :D

They shouldn't have done that for Mystique either. She was one of my favorite villains and the fact that they brought her down with that stupid Cure makes me angry. :grumble:

:upset: Scott!!!!!!!

I agree. There was actually a lot of pointless stuff in the movie and I think we all could've waited a bit longer for a better film.

:agree: They should do that. I've read fan-fictions like that, where the Cure just turned out to be a temporary thing and if they did that in the movies, I would be such a happy fan-girl. :D

They shouldn't have done that for Mystique either. She was one of my favorite villains and the fact that they brought her down with that stupid Cure makes me angry. :grumble:

:upset: Scott!!!!!!!

These are exactly the reasons why I prefer X-Men 1 and 2 and try to ignore part 3.

These are exactly the reasons why I prefer X-Men 1 and 2 and try to ignore part 3.Me too - I don't like the whole idea of the cure.

I loved the first two movies, I think Singer did a great job at reinventing the series for a modern day audience!!I agree. I just finished re-watching X-Men 1 including the extras. There was an emphasis on treating the material seriously and realistically rather than having it be jokey.

BTW here's the thread for X-Men: The Last Stand (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=112612).

Actually, I thought X3 had a good plot, but the movie was just all wrong with what they did with it.

I got the X-Men trilogy! :clap: Target has it on sale for $20. Don't you just love Target? :D Anyways, I was re-watching X1 and 2 and I, once again, realized how awesome those movies were. X1 did, for some reason, feel rushed to me, but I still liked it. As for X2, that one was great. Where did they take all the kids to, though? :lol:

As a Rogan shipper (Rogan as in Rogue and Logan), I was kind of... squeeing when Mystique turned into Rogue and was on top of Logan and then the look on his face then was like... Oh, I dunno how to describe it, but I loved it!

I am a fan of both Bryan Singer´s X Men, but I think X Men 2 is my favorite.

Have seen all of them in theaters :tu: I enjoyed a lot X Men 3 and Wolverine, but still say X Men 2 is my favorite.

As a Rogan shipper (Rogan as in Rogue and Logan), I was kind of... squeeing when Mystique turned into Rogue and was on top of Logan and then the look on his face then was like... Oh, I dunno how to describe it, but I loved it!

I may be mistaken, but didn't she turn into Jean? But yes, his face was... (sigh)

I may be mistaken, but didn't she turn into Jean? But yes, his face was... (sigh)
You've gotta watch the scene a couple of times or you'll miss it. Mystique turns into Jean at first, then turns into Storm, and finally, Rogue. I believe she turns into Jean again at the end, but I'm not sure.

You've gotta watch the scene a couple of times or you'll miss it. Mystique turns into Jean at first, then turns into Storm, and finally, Rogue. I believe she turns into Jean again at the end, but I'm not sure.

She morphs into Stryker at the end there too. :lol: