Harry Potter and Star Wars only thread about similarities

I know theres the thread Jo pulls Starwars and LOTR thread... I make this as a pure Star wars and Harry Potter Thread... So please no Narnia / LOTR discussions it's classified as OT...

Let me start, all over the net there are flooding similarities of Starwars and Harry Potter... With this thread I hope we can discuss on how they are similar and they are not so we can understand this phenomenon and yet discover why they entrace us so much...

Since I know plenty of Starwars fans out there have noticed the key character similarities

Luke Skywalker / Harry Potter: Orphans with a secret destiny parents slain by a Dark Lord one actually slain and the other from a certain point of view

Han Solo / Ron Weasley: Both brash and somewhat dense.

Leia Organa / Hermione Granger: The Brains of the outfit and strong female figure has a thing about certian dense individual

Obi Wan / Dumbledore: Wizened old men teachers of the hero... both refered to as an old Wizard.

I'll allow you guys to fill what ever in...
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Both get left with foster parents who are unappreciative and to some extent abusive

The presence of a Dark Lord

An interesting quote can be said to be true and i feel is applicable to both worlds:

"He (Vernon D./Owen Lars) feared you might follow old Obi-Wan (or Dubmleddore) on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father (James or Lilly/ Anakin) did.

Ok guys... Go ahead... I'll stop here and post some more soon.

There is also the "Prophecy" in both.
In Star Wars, Anakin is supposed to be "the one to bring balance to the force", which he does, when he kills Palpatine and dies himself.
Harry is the "one with power to vanquish the Dark Lord", which he does when he is the means of destroying Voldemort.

Other character crosses;
Chewbacca and Hagrid- both tall, hairy and loyal.
R2D2 and C3PO and Fred and George- the funny ones.

Well... I just remembered...

Mara Jade is quite simiar to Ginny Weasley...

They both Marry the chosen one and one point was controlled by a Dark Lord, have both Red Hair and is strong willed...

Also I begin to notice similarities between Magic and the Force.

I Belive that magic is an energy channeled through a wand, and there is such thing as wandless magic seen promiently in children, after age 11 which is quite quite rare and few wizards can do it... In starwars there are force encantations which is similar to magic but is seen in EU story the Courtship of Princess Leia done by the Force Witches of Dathomir way before JKR did sorcerers stone...

I see the similarity of the Dark Lord Voldemort and the Sith Lord Vader both being the hero's father. In Star Wars Vader was Luke's father, while in HP Voldemort made himself a part of Harry inadvertently.

Furthermore, Luke and Vader can sense each other's presence. Harry and Voldemort eventually both learn they can see through each other's eyes or experiences.

Well... I just remembered...

Mara Jade is quite simiar to Ginny Weasley...

They both Marry the chosen one and one point was controlled by a Dark Lord, have both Red Hair and is strong willed...

I wonder if Ginny will ultimately be killed by Hugo? :lol:. The distinction was Ginny was inadvertently and unknowingly controlled, whereas Mara was a true little die hard minion of her own will. But they were both red heads as was Tenel Ka Djo - but her story rather mimicked Padme's with a better ending and that particular storyline didn't make it into HP.

Also I begin to notice similarities between Magic and the Force.

I Belive that magic is an energy channeled through a wand, and there is such thing as wandless magic seen promiently in children, after age 11 which is quite quite rare and few wizards can do it... In starwars there are force encantations which is similar to magic but is seen in EU story the Courtship of Princess Leia done by the Force Witches of Dathomir way before JKR did sorcerers stone...

Yeah wandless magic was kind of like the Force. But it was never shown to take on the dynamic aspects of the Force. We never get anything like Force lighting or light saber duels and the acompanying acrobats - or the Force Death Stare :lol:. Although the Pensieve had similarities to Flow Walking - although as shown through Jacen, one actually could change events during Flow Walking (Tahiri got her kiss in) - which wasn't possible in the Pensieve.

I saw numerous parallels between Star Wars and HP. It was especially apparent to me during the conversation in the tower between Dumbledore and Draco, where Dumbledore is trying to make Draco come over to the good side--reminded me of the conversation between Darth and Luke wherein Darth is trying to make Luke follow him to the dark side of the force. May be force be with you all!!

I saw numerous parallels between Star Wars and HP. It was especially apparent to me during the conversation in the tower between Dumbledore and Draco, where Dumbledore is trying to make Draco come over to the good side--reminded me of the conversation between Darth and Luke wherein Darth is trying to make Luke follow him to the dark side of the force. May be force be with you all!!

Yup there are a lot of fun opposite scenes... In Harry Potter and Star Wars...
Dumbledore is asking Draco to come to their side... Whereas its the opposite in StarWars and in Deathly Hallows Harry and Ron is talking about Hermione sort of the opposite the conversation of Leia and Han... But they end up the same... She's (like) my Sister/Brother kind of conversation.

If there is any similarities... To follow its the men in black (Vader/Snape) both feared and BAAAAD at what they do... In the end made the ultimate attonement gave it all up for the sake of a loved one.

In such away... They killed their master regardless weather they planned it or not... Snape Kills Dumbledore... Vader Kills Obiwan... Both were planned...

Dumbledore to me is a composite character of both Obiwan and Yoda...

Uncle Owen & Aunt Beru = Uncle Vernon &Aunt Petunia... Both keep try to keep him from going off... He(They) feared you might follow old Obi-Wan (Dumbledore) on some damned-fool idealistic crusade like your father (Parents) did. (Almost exact quote from Starwars)

I wonder if Ginny will ultimately be killed by Hugo? :lol:. The distinction was Ginny was inadvertently and unknowingly controlled, whereas Mara was a true little die hard minion of her own will. But they were both red heads as was Tenel Ka Djo - but her story rather mimicked Padme's with a better ending and that particular storyline didn't make it into HP.
Hehe good one... But end result was the same tho... They where given instructions by the Dark Lord... albeit Ginny was short term while Mara could hear the emperor at any time... Though... Didnt Harry have a similar connection to Voldemort? Also if there was any similarity both Women are strong and VERY GOOD fliers!

If there is any similarity to focus on its the two Dark Lords... I'd give a million gallons to see them FIGHT!

Wow this is really interesting! I'm not a Star Wars fan but I understand the similarities by reading this!

So up until about two weeks ago, I had only seen one star wars movie: Episode I. Then my boyfriend had me watch Episodes 4-6, which were all amazing. I was noticing a lot of these similarities even just watching the movie without indenting to compare it to Potter. It's amazing how close they are, and would explain why there's a lot of fans of both. I mean, when they're so similar it's hard not to like both of them. At least imho.

So up until about two weeks ago, I had only seen one star wars movie: Episode I. Then my boyfriend had me watch Episodes 4-6, which were all amazing. I was noticing a lot of these similarities even just watching the movie without indenting to compare it to Potter. It's amazing how close they are, and would explain why there's a lot of fans of both. I mean, when they're so similar it's hard not to like both of them. At least imho.

It follows if youre a fan of star wars... Its easy to latch on to Harry Potter because your both going the same place but it the journey to the end thats interesting in some places one turns right and the other turns left and in the end you get to a similar place! Its the similarities that facinates... How they are the same and how they are different...

Snape and Vader are the ultimate in anti-heroes so similar and yet so different. While not Harry's Father they did have a love for a Woman they directly or indirectly lost...

For Lilly he didnt tell her...
For Pad'me he did...

But in the end they lost them both...
Vader Killed her...
Snape inadvertently killed Lilly...


In the final story they both lost their lives in service of a loved one.
Snape Lost his life protecting Harry for Lily
Vader lost his life for protecting a Son and Daughter and the Memory of his wife.

Both aided and abetted in the final destruction of the dark lord.
Both killed their mentors... Dumbledore and Obi Wan

In attonement for their crimes they chose different times
For Snape it was early he went to Dumbledore and told him the Dark Lord was after Lilly and promised to protect her son.
For Vader it was Later he decided to take out the "Dark Lord" as his final act to Protect his son.
In the end they did what they made attonement for their crimes.

http://the-black-panther.deviantart.com/art/Snape-and-Vader-comic-110217425
AND BOTH LOVED BLACK!


See? Its the journey to the end thats interesting! Going the same place but using a different road!

Wow, I've been a fan of both series for ages, and I never thought of most of these!
...Chewy = Hagrid? I don't know, most of the good ones have already been mentioned. :D

Wow, I've been a fan of both series for ages, and I never thought of most of these!
...Chewy = Hagrid? I don't know, most of the good ones have already been mentioned. :D

Well Very few do... It takes a lot of Analysis to think about... Drive anyone nuts:lol:

So up until about two weeks ago, I had only seen one star wars movie: Episode I. Then my boyfriend had me watch Episodes 4-6, which were all amazing. I was noticing a lot of these similarities even just watching the movie without indenting to compare it to Potter. It's amazing how close they are, and would explain why there's a lot of fans of both. I mean, when they're so similar it's hard not to like both of them. At least imho.

They both follow the Campbellian hero's journey. It's the template for epic story-telling.

It follows if youre a fan of star wars... Its easy to latch on to Harry Potter because your both going the same place but it the journey to the end thats interesting in some places one turns right and the other turns left and in the end you get to a similar place! Its the similarities that facinates... How they are the same and how they are different...

Nah, Vader was a main protagonist of the story and Snape was not. So we got much more on Vader - 3 whole movies dedicated to his life in fact. Also Vader stood as the main evil dark lord in the series until the last 10 minutes, despite Sidious being the actual master - we didn't get much of him in the storytelling at all, Vader was who everyone feared and went up against. Snape was a spy and actually working for the good side throughout.

Snape and Vader are the ultimate in anti-heroes so similar and yet so different. While not Harry's Father they did have a love for a Woman they directly or indirectly lost...

Again, Lily didn't want anything to do with Snape - he had unrequited love for her, but she played no part in that. Vader was married to Padme and they shared true love for one another. Anakin/Vader had to try and save Padme all by himself, he wasn't just in love, but her husband and the actual one who would be reasonably expected to care for his wife and act on her behalf.

Plus Vader wasn't an antihero - he was a hero turned villan who returned to an actual hero in the end. Snape could be seen as an antihero if one considers him heroic after he turned, which I don't, so...

But in the end they lost them both...Vader Killed her...Snape inadvertently killed Lilly...

Vader didn't kill Padme, she lamely died of a broken heart - over her husband, but one really can't blame him for her lack of strength there. She had two kids to live for, but apparently that was not enough. The med droid said nothing at all was wrong with her phsycially and he could not understand why she was dying. When she died she felt her husband still had good in him (she was right). Snape didn't kill Lily, but set things in motion that got Lily killed and her husband, but to Lily's knowledge, her death had nothing to do with Snape and she didn't consider him at all.

In the final story they both lost their lives in service of a loved one. Snape Lost his life protecting Harry for Lily Vader lost his life for protecting a Son and Daughter and the Memory of his wife.

Its a stretch, but I guess one could make the analogy, :lol:. Snape hated Harry and his dad, and had a one way love for the mother/wife of others. Vader's love was for his son - for his very flesh and blood. His wife and daughter were also a part of his intimate family. That is what turned him back to the good side - but the love was two-way between both Luke/Padme and Anakin/Vader. It was more meaningful to me.

Both aided and abetted in the final destruction of the dark lord.

Vader killed Sidious - as the only one who could, the prophecy was about Vader. Snape, like all the other Order members, only participated in bringing him down - more like the rebel forces - it was Harry who was prophecied to bring down the dark lord and did so. So this was totally distinct. Harry and Vader were cast in the same role in that regard. But that is the biggest distinction anyway. Vader was a main character, the prophecied one - where as Snape was a side character in that regard.

Both killed their mentors... Dumbledore and Obi Wan

This is true. Except Snape was working for the good side at the time. Vader was working to make the Sith - the evil side - win. Snape liked Dumbledore, but Vader hated Obi-Wan at that point. So it wasn't really the same thing.

In attonement for their crimes they chose different times. For Snape it was early he went to Dumbledore and told him the Dark Lord was after Lilly and promised to protect her son. For Vader it was Later he decided to take out the "Dark Lord" as his final act to Protect his son. In the end they did what they made attonement for their crimes.

Yeah this part was totally different. Vader became a dark lord of the series and later the main hero by taking out the main dark lord. He was actually a main character, which is what differentiates these two altogether. Snape was a helper character, not even at the level of Hermione and Ron. So it is difficult to try and compare Snape and Vader, imo.

AND BOTH LOVED BLACK!

Yup :lol:. But all villains traditionally wear black! Sidious did as well as did Voldemort and Bella.

See? Its the journey to the end thats interesting! Going the same place but using a different road!

Well actually that was different too. Anakin spent 14 years of his life intially fighting and working for the good side. He was the hero without fear and killed dark lords and their minions for the Jedi. He was a Jedi Knight and the most skilled Jedi known to mankind. That is all quite distinct from Snape who was on the bad side all along and working against good - then he turned and worked for the good side. Vader turned to the dark side and for 23 years was an actual Dark Lord - the main antagonist in Voldemort's role (even though Sidious was master, he was the unseen master). Then Snape worked for the good side for a long while and died. Vader worked for the bad side the whole time, then in the final 10 minutes of his life, re-embraced that which he was before, a Jedi Knight, killed the remaining Dark Lord, Sidious and died as a result. Then he returned in ghost form, as main protagonists will... so we could all know about his redemption. :lol:.

So the characters were very different and had different roles in their respective stories, imo. I think JKR wished to avoid there being any similarity with Star Wars in that regard. She made most things completely distinct. And of course Snape was not the main dark lord or hero of the tale - whereas Vader was both. Vader was never really an antihero - he was either a hero or straight out villain throughout. Through the eyes of the Jedi perhaps one could see him that way after the Tuskin/Dooku ordeals - but from the audience's point of view, the bloody murder of his mother and the horrid behavior of Dooku made Anakin's behavior seem fine, imo. So he was never an antihero to me.

So the characters were very different and had different roles in their respective stories, imo. I think JKR wished to avoid there being any similarity with Star Wars in that regard. She made most things completely distinct. And of course Snape was not the main dark lord or hero of the tale - whereas Vader was both. Vader was never really an antihero - he was either a hero or straight out villain throughout. Through the eyes of the Jedi perhaps one could see him that way after the Tuskin/Dooku ordeals - but from the audience's point of view, the bloody murder of his mother and the horrid behavior of Dooku made Anakin's behavior seem fine, imo. So he was never an antihero to me.

Just try to remember George Lucas made star wars ep 1, ep 2, ep 3 originaly not as the Life of Vader, that came later... Much like the presentation of the Life of Snape at DH...

If there is one thing i believe is Harry Potter plot lines and styles is often the opposite of Star wars, and there are still some similarities.

You do raise a lot of valid points... But in its heart and core it remains the journey of a hero Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter. Different ways but both end up in almost the same place... Thats why I'm a fan of both.

What matters is to quote obi-wan... It has to come from a certain point of view...

Just try to remember George Lucas made star wars ep 1, ep 2, ep 3 originaly not as the Life of Vader, that came later... Much like the presentation of the Life of Snape at DH...

If there is one thing i believe is Harry Potter plot lines and styles is often the opposite of Star wars, and there are still some similarities.

You do raise a lot of valid points... But in its heart and core it remains the journey of a hero Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter. Different ways but both end up in almost the same place... Thats why I'm a fan of both.

What matters is to quote obi-wan... It has to come from a certain point of view...

Actually, George Lucas had the story fairly well planned out when he filmed the original trilogy - which are actually episodes 4, 5, and 6. When he started writing the screenplay for Star Wars, he realized he had too much story for one movie so he planned out a series instead. Originally, it was planned out as a 9 part series filmed in three separate trilogies. The twist was starting with the middle of the story first with episodes 4, 5, and 6. He always planned to come back and do episodes 1, 2, and 3 next and then there were going to be episodes 7, 8, and 9. There's an interview with Mark Hamill where he talks about Lucas approaching him on the set of Star Wars asking him if he'd be willing to come back to play Luke again when he was older for episodes 7, 8, and 9. At some point, he decided that episode 6 was the best ending for the story and dropped the idea of the final trilogy - though there are rumors that crop up now and again that he still plans on making those.

Lucas discussed the overall story at one point - I believe it's in the special features on the prequel DVD's. The story for Star Wars was always about Vader - how he came to be a Jedi, what caused him to turn to the dark side, and what caused him to turn back to the light. Episodes 4, 5, and 6 tell the story from the point of view of Luke and his friends, but ultimately, it's still about Vader because that is the general focus. Initially, it is presented that Luke is their only hope to defeat Vader, but he eventually comes to believe that he is supposed to convince Vader to return to the light because he senses that there is still good in him. But it was planned out that way from the beginning.

Honestly, I don't see any parallels between Darth Vader and Snape. They are two very different characters who take two very different paths in life. Anakin started out as good and switched to the dark side because of years of manipulation by the Emperor playing on his fears. The Emperor twisted Anakin's views and convinced him that it was the Jedi who were evil. In that sense, Anakin never really went bad - he believed he was fighting for good the whole time. But Vader saw the Emperor for what he was and recognized the lies when he tried to kill Luke - and that brings him back around and he fulfills the prophecy that he would bring balance to the force by killing the Emperor. I see that as a completely opposite story to what we get with Snape.

Honestly, I don't see any parallels between Darth Vader and Snape. They are two very different characters who take two very different paths in life. Anakin started out as good and switched to the dark side because of years of manipulation by the Emperor playing on his fears. The Emperor twisted Anakin's views and convinced him that it was the Jedi who were evil. In that sense, Anakin never really went bad - he believed he was fighting for good the whole time. But Vader saw the Emperor for what he was and recognized the lies when he tried to kill Luke - and that brings him back around and he fulfills the prophecy that he would bring balance to the force by killing the Emperor. I see that as a completely opposite story to what we get with Snape.

I agree with you...

In my point of view, they both went down the opposite road and ended up the same place... Albeit a different path... But the same place... Either they started sooner or later in life...

The choice was made in a different point in their lives... The paramount subject here is they made a judgement call against the Dark Lord. Snape made his speaking to Dumbledore, Vader Made his choice to save Luke by tossing the Dark Lord over the railing...

Both sacrificed themselves for something, this can also be reflected in how R.A.B. decided to sacrifice himself to try and destroy the locket...

Another facinating opposite scene would be how "Old Wizard" chose their Death, Obi wan chose to die by Vaders hand by giving him a freeshot, Dumbledore concocted the plan with Snape because he was dying...
Either way he got his wish...

Dumbledore/Obi Wan (the goal: self sacrifice) --> Willing/unwilling accomplce (Vader and Snape) = Old Wizard got what they want...

And of course both later comes back to tell Harry/Luke the final truth... Either on the Planet Dagobah or on what Harry percives as station 9 3/4.


You see they are a like in someways and and different in another... Thats why I find it facinating...
Ran into this article...
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http://www.fabbricantidiuniversi.it/universi/hpswENG1.htm
Seems I'm not alone!

We event havent started to talk about our favorite couple who shares TOO MUCH in common
Ron and Hermione
Han and Leia

Ron and Han should both get a drink and talk about their Lady troubles!

I agree with you...

In my point of view, they both went down the opposite road and ended up the same place... Albeit a different path... But the same place... Either they started sooner or later in life...

The choice was made in a different point in their lives... The paramount subject here is they made a judgement call against the Dark Lord. Snape made his speaking to Dumbledore, Vader Made his choice to save Luke by tossing the Dark Lord over the railing...

Both sacrificed themselves for something, this can also be reflected in how R.A.B. decided to sacrifice himself to try and destroy the locket...

Another facinating opposite scene would be how "Old Wizard" chose their Death, Obi wan chose to die by Vaders hand by giving him a freeshot, Dumbledore concocted the plan with Snape because he was dying...
Either way he got his wish...

Dumbledore/Obi Wan (the goal: self sacrifice) --> Willing/unwilling accomplce (Vader and Snape) = Old Wizard got what they want...

And of course both later comes back to tell Harry/Luke the final truth... Either on the Planet Dagobah or on what Harry percives as station 9 3/4.

Well, apart from them both dying, I don't really agree that they ended up in the same place or that they made any choices that were similar. Anakin chooses to betray the Jedi because the Emperor manipulated him and convinced him that the Jedi were evil - he was deceived and chooses to return to the path of the Jedi when he sees through the Emperor's lies and willingly sacrifices himself - by taking a direct stand against the Emperor and killing him - to save his son. On the whole, Anakin was never a bad person and he never enjoyed hurting others - he was manipulated into believing that he was doing something for the good of the Republic. His journey makes a complete circle with him growing and evolving as a person in the end - and being rewarded for that because returning to the path of the Jedi allowed him to live on as part of the force as Obi-Wan and Yoda had done.

Snape does the complete opposite of that, IMO. He was shown to be bad from the start, IMO, with his fascination for the Dark Arts, his prejudice against muggles and all muggleborns except Lily, his aspirations to become a Death Eater at a young age, and he appears to truly enjoy causing pain to other people - i.e. attacking Petunia as a child and abusing his power as a teacher to bully students as an adult - per Jo. These aspects of his characterization never really change, IMO.

Unlike Anakin, Snape knew exactly what he was doing the entire time, IMO. Snape doesn't switch sides because his views changed. He doesn't really switch sides at all as I see it - he agrees to help Dumbledore because he is angry and feels Voldemort betrayed him. Where Anakin thought he was helping the Republic as a whole, Snape was working towards personal revenge against Voldemort for that betrayal and didn't care about the wizarding world as a whole at all, IMO. As Jo said, Snape would never have done anything to help if Voldemort had kept his promise and spared Lily's life.

And, unlike Anakin, Snape does not willingly sacrifice himself or ever take a direct stand against Voldemort. He was not prepared to die in his efforts to get his revenge, IMO. His goal was to use Harry to get his revenge and - as far as Snape knew - he would be sacrificing Harry's life to accomplish that - not his own, IMO. He minimizes the risks to himself as much as possible by using Voldmeort's plan to get him on the inside as a spy. Voldemort knew all along that Snape was giving information to Dumbledore because that was part of his plan to get Snape on the inside. Snape never takes a direct stand against Voldemort, but continues to play his role until the very end - seeking to escape once he realizes what Dumbledore had done by trying to convince Voldemort to let him leave. He died because Dumbledore set him up over the Elder wand. Snape didn't know when he agreed to kill Dumbledore that he was signing his own death warrant - and I don't believe he would have agreed to that if Dumbledore had told him that Voldemort would kill him in order to "master" Dumbledore's wand.

As I see it, Snape was a fairly static character because he was essentially the same bitter, vengeful, spiteful person when he died as he was throughout his entire life. He never truly accepts responsibility for his poor choices, but instead chooses to blame others for everything that has gone wrong in his life, IMO. Voldemort betrayed him - Dumbledore failed him by not protecting Lily - he never accepts his own culpability in telling Voldemort about the prophecy to begin with, IMO. As Jo said, he hated Harry from beginning to end and it comes across in the text that he never accepted his culpability in how Harry's life turned out - not only indirectly causing his parents to be murdered, but also being the cause of Petunia's fear and hatred of magic - leading to Harry being abused and neglected by the Dursleys.

Where Anakin's journey takes him full circle with him realizing how he was deceived and taking a direct action because of that to return to being a Jedi, Snape pretty much remains in the same place throughout, IMO. So I don't really see any parallels between the two. Their journey's are entirely different, they have different motivations, and different endings because of that, IMO.

I really don't see a parallel to Darth Vader in the Harry Potter series. Really, the closest we could come I think would be Harry himself. Both Anakin and Harry were a child of prophecy and considered "The Chosen One". Both were singled out because of that and had heroic adventures throughout their teenage years - and both have that first adventure in saving people as a child. Both are specifically targeted by the main villain because of the prophecy and both are subjected to temptation to turn to the dark side - Anakin directly by the Emperor and Harry indirectly through the piece of Voldemort's soul inside him - though Voldemort did directly offer him a chance to join him in PS/SS. Both ultimately fulfill the prophecy by killing the "Dark Lord" - and both involve "The Chosen One" going through a type of death and rebirth. Anakin Skywalker symbolically dies and is reborn as Darth Vader - and then Vader dies when he is Anakin again. Harry literally dies and chooses to return - free of the corruption of Voldemort's soul.

But there is a major difference between the two that prevents it from being a complete parallel, IMO. Harry does tend to stray a bit towards darkness in OOTP because he was very angry - similar to what we see with Anakin in AoTC - but he pulls out of that and is more grounded in HBP where Anakin continued to have issues with his anger. Though Harry does still occasionally engage in some questionable behavior due to the negative influence of Snape's potions book and being corrupted by a piece of Voldemort's soul in the last two books, he never completely gives in to that the way that Anakin did. So there are some similarities with a young boy who is good being tempted, but Harry succeeded where Anakin failed and never fully succumbed to the temptation of the dark side.

We event havent started to talk about our favorite couple who shares TOO MUCH in common
Ron and Hermione
Han and Leia

Ron and Han should both get a drink and talk about their Lady troubles!

Now, this we can agree on! :lol: My two favorite romantic couples. When Ron turned to Harry in PS/SS and said, “Whatever House I’m in, I hope she’s not in it,” I was strongly reminded of Han turning to Luke in ANH and saying "No reward is worth this." :lol:

But there is a major difference between the two that prevents it from being a complete parallel, IMO. Harry does tend to stray a bit towards darkness in OOTP because he was very angry - similar to what we see with Anakin in AoTC - but he pulls out of that and is more grounded in HBP where Anakin continued to have issues with his anger. Though Harry does still occasionally engage in some questionable behavior due to the negative influence of Snape's potions book and being corrupted by a piece of Voldemort's soul in the last two books, he never completely gives in to that the way that Anakin did. So there are some similarities with a young boy who is good being tempted, but Harry succeeded where Anakin failed and never fully succumbed to the temptation of the dark side.
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This is quite true... Also remember in Order of The Pheonix where Voldemort tempted Harry to Kill Bellatrix this somewhat mirrors the scene where Emperor Palpatine tempts Luke to kill Vader... Which in the end didnt happen.

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Now, this we can agree on! :lol: My two favorite romantic couples. When Ron turned to Harry in PS/SS and said, “Whatever House I’m in, I hope she’s not in it,” I was strongly reminded of Han turning to Luke in ANH and saying "No reward is worth this." :lol:

Well I guess its time to move on... We have at least we have agreed to disagree and I respect your opinion I think its time to move on to a lighter subject...

That of
Ron and Hermione
Han and Leia...

At times I could almost see Ron and Hermione bickering... She called him "Why you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf herder!"
"Han Solo: Who's scruffy-looking?" Ron would not be out of place to say this.

"Wonderful girl. Either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her." This can be almost attributed to Ron during their first year.

The bickering couple who later falls in love, but Ron as we have seen wonders if Harry has feelings for Hermione and later after getting the sword tells him, He loves her like a sister... "Sound familiar" This is a counter scene to when Leia and Han towards the end of Return of the Jedi where Leia tells Han, Luke is his Brother... In the end both Ron and Han are thunderstruck!

This is quite true... Also remember in Order of The Pheonix where Voldemort tempted Harry to Kill Bellatrix this somewhat mirrors the scene where Emperor Palpatine tempts Luke to kill Vader... Which in the end didnt happen.

Actually, that was in the movie. In the book, Voldemort just tried to kill Harry at that point - but Dumbledore showed up to save him.

That scene from RoTJ actually mirrors the beginning scene of RoTS where Palpatine tells Anakin to kill Count Dooku - which he did.

Well I guess its time to move on... We have at least we have agreed to disagree and I respect your opinion I think its time to move on to a lighter subject...

That of
Ron and Hermione
Han and Leia...

At times I could almost see Ron and Hermione bickering... She called him "Why you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf herder!"
"Han Solo: Who's scruffy-looking?" Ron would not be out of place to say this.

"Wonderful girl. Either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her." This can be almost attributed to Ron during their first year.

The bickering couple who later falls in love, but Ron as we have seen wonders if Harry has feelings for Hermione and later after getting the sword tells him, He loves her like a sister... "Sound familiar" This is a counter scene to when Leia and Han towards the end of Return of the Jedi where Leia tells Han, Luke is his Brother... In the end both Ron and Han are thunderstruck!

I was just thinking that actually - the difference is that it is Leia who tells Han that Luke is her brother while it is Harry who tells Ron that he loves Hermione like a sister. And, of course, Han was older and handled it better than Ron did at 18 - being prepared to step aside until Leia set him straight. But the two scenarios were very similar.

Actually, that was in the movie. In the book, Voldemort just tried to kill Harry at that point - but Dumbledore showed up to save him.

That scene from RoTJ actually mirrors the beginning scene of RoTS where Palpatine tells Anakin to kill Count Dooku - which he did.



I was just thinking that actually - the difference is that it is Leia who tells Han that Luke is her brother while it is Harry who tells Ron that he loves Hermione like a sister. And, of course, Han was older and handled it better than Ron did at 18 - being prepared to step aside until Leia set him straight. But the two scenarios were very similar.

If you look at them individually they have similar characterizations.

Leia and Hermione is obviously the brains of the outfit both of them bossy often used as the plot dump.

Ron and Han, both cynics with good hearts and quite emotional, but compared to Han he is brash often looks before he leaps and gets into plenty of trouble with Ron I'm not to sure about that.

It's hard to fathom all the similarities people have come up with. I guess I just don't have an analytical enough mind. I just enjoy the escapism of submerging myself into the fantasy of it.

Actually, that was in the movie. In the book, Voldemort just tried to kill Harry at that point - but Dumbledore showed up to save him.

That scene from RoTJ actually mirrors the beginning scene of RoTS where Palpatine tells Anakin to kill Count Dooku - which he did.

Except of course Dooku wasn't Anakin's father and had no good in him. The ploy was the same from Palpatine's view, but he didn't take the family relationship into account.

I never really thought about this, but what about James Potter, and that random Trevor kid from The Last of the Jedi book series?

There are similarities between Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker as characters, mainly because they both follow the "hero's journey" narrative archetype



Luke lives a mundane life on a moisture farm. Harry lives a mundane life under the stairs.

Luke has a murky family history he's initially unaware of. So does Harry.

Luke must face the Emperor. Harry must face Voldemort.

The Emperor has physically been warped by dark power. So has Voldemort.

Luke has the Force. Harry has Magic.

The Jedi and Sith are Force users. The Order and the Death Eaters are magic users.

Luke has history with Darth Vader. Harry's history is tied to Snape

Vader serves the Emperor. Snape serves Voldemort.

Vader seeks redemption for crimes against the woman he loved. So does Snape.

Han Solo is earnest and a loyal friend. So is Ron.

Leia is a rock of stability. So is Hermione.

Luke is friends with Chewie, a hairy, but friendly giant. Harry is friends with Hagrid, a hairy, but friendly giant.

Luke has a lightsabre. Harry has a wand.

Luke is guided by a old sage who dies of his own will (Obi Wan). Harry is guided by an old sage who dies of his own will (Dumbledore).

Luke discovers he has great power within him. So does Harry.

Luke is raised by an aunt and uncle who conceal his true past from him. So does Harry.

Luke gains knowledge from a small creature (Yoda). Harry gains knowledge from small creatures (Dobby and Kreacher).

The Emperor's Force lightning kills Vader. Voldemort's snake kills Snape.

Luke is with Vader in his dying moments. Harry is with Snape in his dying moments.

Cool thread. I just became a fan myself, so I am not knowledgeable like I imagine most of you people are. Yesterday we were discussing with a friend who was creepier and scarier, if Palpatine, Vader or Voldemort.

I personally find creepier and scarier Palpatine. Voldemort I think is a great Villain, but what scares me personally about Palpatine is his ability to brainwash. To find weaknesses in others and sell his ideas so properly he is convincing. I believe if he had tried to turn Harry to the dark side he would have not succeded, Anakin was different , but still , it was not Anakin who fell victim to his double faced plan. All the Jedi, were fooled as well, perhaps because they were focusing too much on the future , whatever the excuse, but they were. I fear above all double faced people ,who appear to be something they are not and stab you in the back . Maybe this is the reason why I find Palpatine more scary than Voldemort. Voldemort on the other hand, is evil and he does not hide it. He did have that ability to convince others to do what he needed them to do , but declared himself a villain sooner than Palpatine did, or at least that is my perception so far. Dont forget I am a newbie to this. I prefer this kind of people who are evil but you know it, and you are aware what to expect, this makes them, not less dangerous but at least you are on guard fearing them to do whatever might hurt you. Vader, I dont even consider him scary , i do feel sorry for him.

I would be thrilled to read other people´s opinion, specially people that are more knowlegeable on the topic :)

One little tidbit...

On the production side of the films...

Both had Warwick Davis in the Cast
and John Williams Composing!

I wonder if Ginny will ultimately be killed by Hugo? :lol:. The distinction was Ginny was inadvertently and unknowingly controlled, whereas Mara was a true little die hard minion of her own will. But they were both red heads as was Tenel Ka Djo - but her story rather mimicked Padme's with a better ending and that particular storyline didn't make it into HP.



Yeah wandless magic was kind of like the Force. But it was never shown to take on the dynamic aspects of the Force. We never get anything like Force lighting or light saber duels and the acompanying acrobats - or the Force Death Stare :lol:. Although the Pensieve had similarities to Flow Walking - although as shown through Jacen, one actually could change events during Flow Walking (Tahiri got her kiss in) - which wasn't possible in the Pensieve.

I have to disagree with this one. I mean, yeah, we never got real force lightning or anything that legit, but Snape did create the spell he put in the HBP potions book. Also, Priori Incantatem can be analogized to force lightning (of a sort). Magic is most definitely dynamic and changeable, and wands and light sabers are similar. Each has its own wizard/jedi that controls it best, and it is frowned upon to possess the wand/lightsaber of another.

awesome, thank you for this, I'm going to use this for my son. He loves Star Wars but I haven't been able to get him to watch or get into HP.

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That of
Ron and Hermione
Han and Leia...

At times I could almost see Ron and Hermione bickering... She called him "Why you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf herder!"
"Han Solo: Who's scruffy-looking?" Ron would not be out of place to say this.

"Wonderful girl. Either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her." This can be almost attributed to Ron during their first year.

The bickering couple who later falls in love, but Ron as we have seen wonders if Harry has feelings for Hermione and later after getting the sword tells him, He loves her like a sister... "Sound familiar" This is a counter scene to when Leia and Han towards the end of Return of the Jedi where Leia tells Han, Luke is his Brother... In the end both Ron and Han are thunderstruck!

I couldn't have said it better myself! :agree: