The Twilight series by Stephenie Meyer v.3

It's Twilight from Edward's point of view.

And I think it would have been intersting to read. :)

No, I don't think it would've been that interesting because we already know what happens in Twilight. Maybe she should do a book that's a prequel to Twilight that talks about how the Cullens came to be and more of their history before the events of Twilight. That would be better than having the a repeat of a book we've already read.

^ agree

Heh, well I think it would have been interesting. Because we know so little what goes in Edward's mind. I would like to know that. ;)

isn't midnight sun just a companion novel? You can read the first 12 chapters on her website, but it's really not worth it. I do think the writing is better in Midnight Sun, Edward's more interesting, but it's just the same story

I agree about the writing being better and Edward's POV more interesting. His opinion was different. I would (if I was actually going to read the whole book) like MS better. :agree:

So, she's going to finish it? Well, if she does, I'll read it, but I'd rather read a prequel to Twilight. All I hope is that MS won't be all about how Edward feels about Bella and have that take up the whole story. That would be bad.

Heh, well I think it would have been interesting. Because we know so little what goes in Edward's mind. I would like to know that. ;)

Me too! He always seemed like he was kind of angsty, so I would want to know what his thoughts were. And since he can read minds, it would be cool to hear what everyone else was thinking!

So, she's going to finish it? Well, if she does, I'll read it, but I'd rather read a prequel to Twilight. All I hope is that MS won't be all about how Edward feels about Bella and have that take up the whole story. That would be bad.

That's basically waht the first 12 chapters were

No, I don't think it would've been that interesting because we already know what happens in Twilight.

And there wasn't a lot of plot to begin with. Don't get me wrong, I devoured the book in one day. But it's basically a bit of scenery wrapped around Bella/Edward dialogue and descriptions of Edward's superhuman beauty. The action plot is introduced very late and solved rather quickly. I think I would have preferred Twilight from Edward's point of view because he isn't idolising Bella. I read the first chapters of Midnight Sun and unfortunately, Edward has another hobby. He enjoys beating himself up for who he is and everyone around him is chagrined. That's why I didn't even make it through the 12 chapters. I was too bored because nothing new happened and I already know why Edward is afraid of being close to Bella, I don't have to read about her delicious, torturous smell for another 200 pages. If she ever finishes it, I won't read it.

And there wasn't a lot of plot to begin with. Don't get me wrong, I devoured the book in one day. But it's basically a bit of scenery wrapped around Bella/Edward dialogue and descriptions of Edward's superhuman beauty. The action plot is introduced very late and solved rather quickly. I think I would have preferred Twilight from Edward's point of view because he isn't idolising Bella. I read the first chapters of Midnight Sun and unfortunately, Edward has another hobby. He enjoys beating himself up for who he is and everyone around him is chagrined. That's why I didn't even make it through the 12 chapters. I was too bored because nothing new happened and I already know why Edward is afraid of being close to Bella, I don't have to read about her delicious, torturous smell for another 200 pages. If she ever finishes it, I won't read it.I guess when you think about it, the story should've been written from Edward's POV from the very beginning. Probably would've been more interesting anyway, although, if it had been written from his POV, we wouldn't have gotten to see much Jacob/Bella interactions.

I'll still check out the twelve chapters to see for myself whether it's good or not. My guess is that if she's releasing drafts of the story, she more than likely will finish it.

I guess when you think about it, the story should've been written from Edward's POV from the very beginning. Probably would've been more interesting anyway, although, if it had been written from his POV, we wouldn't have gotten to see much Jacob/Bella interactions.

Well, as Moriath said, it was just him beating himself up the entire time and Bella's smell, though i have to admit that hte first few chapters when he's actually pretty vampiry was pretty good, after a while it's the same thing Twilight was, except thinking about Bella's smell rather than Edward's looks.

I'll still check out the twelve chapters to see for myself whether it's good or not. My guess is that if she's releasing drafts of the story, she more than likely will finish it.

The chapters were leaked onto the internet, she didn't just post them there. That's why she held up the publication date :agree:

Okay, but is she going to finish the story or not?

Okay, but is she going to finish the story or not?

chances are she is

Okay, but is she going to finish the story or not?

I think she is. She can't keep her fans waiting for this book. I even recieved a petiton to get her to finish writing, and I even signed it!

Well, then, I'll probably read it to see if it's any good.

Personally, I don't think she's going to finish Midnight Sun. The leak seemed pretty convenient and happened at a time when there was a lot of harsh criticism for Breaking Dawn. It's mere speculation on my part but it's possible that Meyer realised how little she had to go on. It's basically writing the same book all over again and quite a lot of work, too, to make the dialogue match.

Yeah, you're right about that. I think what she needs to do is do a new book that is a prequel to Twilight and features the Cullens. Then it could have Edward's POV and it wouldn't be the same book. I doubt she'll do this, but it sounds better than writing about a book we've already read and know the conclusion of.

Personally, I don't think she's going to finish Midnight Sun. The leak seemed pretty convenient and happened at a time when there was a lot of harsh criticism for Breaking Dawn. It's mere speculation on my part but it's possible that Meyer realised how little she had to go on. It's basically writing the same book all over again and quite a lot of work, too, to make the dialogue match.
Yes, that could be possible. It just seemed like she was pretty upset about the leak, so I assumed that she might countine writing it.

Yeah, you're right about that. I think what she needs to do is do a new book that is a prequel to Twilight and features the Cullens. Then it could have Edward's POV and it wouldn't be the same book. I doubt she'll do this, but it sounds better than writing about a book we've already read and know the conclusion of.
That would be better, I think. Then we can view all the relationships between the characters years later, such as Jacob and Nessie, and Bella and Rose.

No, I was talking about a prequel to Twilight that talks of the Cullens, not Nessie or Jacob. That would be a sequel to Breaking Dawn.

No, I was talking about a prequel to Twilight that talks of the Cullens, not Nessie or Jacob. That would be a sequel to Breaking Dawn.

Oh. Well, she could do that. I think a book about Nessie and Jake would be pretty interesting. I want to read about him telling her that he loved her mom first....I mean, eww! :lol: I just want to see how their relationship developed, and if she dated before he told her he had imprinted on her, etc.

I don't like the fact that Jake imprinted on Nessie in the first place. It just seems so wrong given the age difference and all. Plus, I don't know if she'd feel the same way. However, I think it would be cool to get a story in Renesmee's POV, or the prequel as I've stated before.

It might be cool, but there's no way i would read it :no:

It might be cool, but there's no way i would read it :no:

Why not? I would just to see how all the characters are, although I doubt they would've changed much. :no: I guess it would be interesting to see where they live, if Charlie and Renee are still alive, etc. I guess it would all depend on how many years later the story would take place.

I think Stephenie should wait for a few years though, just so her writing can mature and get better. I would be so happy if that happened! :)

im just really tired of her writing and her story in general, and in her case, i cant even check with my friends on whether or not her writing has gotten better

I guess when you think about it, the story should've been written from Edward's POV from the very beginning. Probably would've been more interesting anyway, although, if it had been written from his POV, we wouldn't have gotten to see much Jacob/Bella interactions.

I agree, the book from his POV was much better, at least we get to see how boys think when in love with girls. Also there many things about Edward I didnt know before reading MS.

Are werewolves immortal in this series? I mean if Renesmee was immortal, how come she and Jacob are in love if he's going to die someday? It's not something Meyer would do, imo.

werewolves are immortal as long as theykeep phasing

I simply love the books:) After I finished reading DH I thought that I never would find such great books again, but I have to admit that Twilight really is a good competitor to Harry Potter, although HP of course have a special place in my heart <3 hehe...

Are werewolves immortal in this series? I mean if Renesmee was immortal, how come she and Jacob are in love if he's going to die someday? It's not something Meyer would do, imo.

Yes, the werewovles won't age as long as they keep phasing.

I think that it was too convenient that Renesmee stops aging. I think it would have been really good if Meyer wrote something afterwards in Bella's POV about them having to get through Renesmee's death. (Sorry, I sound so evil here.) Bella hasn't ever had to go through much loss in the series. (Except when Edward left her, but then he came back so.....) It would make a really great book, in my opinion.

Yeah, I agree with that, but I doubt it would happen.

I simply love the books:) After I finished reading DH I thought that I never would find such great books again, but I have to admit that Twilight really is a good competitor to Harry Potter, although HP of course have a special place in my heart <3 hehe...

greatness is a matter of opinion but there is no competition, whether you say its because one of the books is much better, but more because they are completely different stories that do completely different things for the reader

Yes, the writing styles are different between Rowling and Meyer. Rowling focuses on action rather than just romance while Meyer's action happens at the end of the books. While that's not a super bad thing, I think it would be better if her action was interspersed throughout the book.

Yes, the writing styles are different between Rowling and Meyer. Rowling focuses on action rather than just romance while Meyer's action happens at the end of the books. While that's not a super bad thing, I think it would be better if her action was interspersed throughout the book.

not only that, they are aimed at two completely dfiferent audiences anyway. JKR is aimed at young children (at least her first books are) and Meyer is aimed at teenage girls mostly. Even ignoring that, one is aiming at romance fans and the other at fantasy or action fans

Yes, you're right about that, V8H.

greatness is a matter of opinion but there is no competition, whether you say its because one of the books is much better, but more because they are completely different stories that do completely different things for the reader

What I meant was that I think the series is equally good in their own ways, but Harry Potter as I said has a special place in my heart because they were the books that got me reading. But I think both series are great!

Well, it all comes down to personal preference. While I don't hate the Twilight books, I certainly don't think they can hold a candle to Harry Potter because HP is so much better when you think about it. There's just so much more in HP than in Twilight because with HP you're dealing with a real evil wizard. In Twlight the evil threat changes with each book.

I dont mind the evil changing part but Rowling has proven herself to be great at writing great plots. Nearly everything has a second meaning that has to do with the overall plot of killing voldemort or simply harry growing up. Twilight barely has changes in the eddy/bells relationship

Yeah, except for when he leaves in New Moon.

not only that, they are aimed at two completely dfiferent audiences anyway. JKR is aimed at young children (at least her first books are) and Meyer is aimed at teenage girls mostly.

Actually, I heard that Meyer had been aiming at an adult audience while she was writing the series. :shrug:



And while I'm here, I heard that Meyer was rewriting the *insertcorrectnumber* chapters. Does anyone know for sure?

Actually, I heard that Meyer had been aiming at an adult audience while she was writing the series. :shrug:



And while I'm here, I heard that Meyer was rewriting the *insertcorrectnumber* chapters. Does anyone know for sure?

Well, i know that Twilight wasn't meant to be read by anyone, but i have no idea for the rest. But still, generally, when your main character is a teenager and in high school and there are no explicitly sexual stuff in it (i dont even recall hearing a swear word), it's a YA book

Well, i know that Twilight wasn't meant to be read by anyone, but i have no idea for the rest. But still, generally, when your main character is a teenager and in high school and there are no explicitly sexual stuff in it (i dont even recall hearing a swear word), it's a YA book

True :agree: But for the rest of the series things get pretty passionate (for lack of a better word) (But I can't know for sure, because I haven't read the series. :shrug:)

They get pretty passionate in the fourth book, but it doesn't get too graphic.

I was obsessed with the Twilight series when I first started reading it. I remember buying it at the mall when I was visting my grandparents' house, because I had stopped in a book store to look for something to read in the car back home, since I was leaving the next day. The trip is three hours, and I finished Twilight in the three hours. I did nothing else, hahaha. The next day, I went out and bought New Moon, then the day after that, I bought Eclipse. When Breaking Dawn came out, I was first in line for the book store here. When the movie came out, I lined up for the midnight premiere with a shirt that said "Vampires prefer Brunettes!" I still really like it, and I'm not as obsessed anymore..but I still plan on going to the midnight premieres for the next movies. =P

Oh, I'll still see the movies when they come out to see if they're true to the book. That's the one thing Twilight had over HP is that it was fairly true to the book, although the sixth HP film was pretty dead on. Other than that, I think HP is much better than Twilight although I don't despise Twilight by any means.

Oh, I'll still see the movies when they come out to see if they're true to the book. That's the one thing Twilight had over HP is that it was fairly true to the book, although the sixth HP film was pretty dead on. Other than that, I think HP is much better than Twilight although I don't despise Twilight by any means.

i know this isn't the movie thread so i'll only say one thing about it. The movie left out so many important plot points essential to DH that i have no idea how the DH movies are going to be done. Anyways, I think that the problem with the movies is that they were too true to the books...i haven't watched the whole movie but i've watched several scenes from like previews and that kind of thing and it seemed like an incredibly boring and dull movie devoid of good actors or actresses or the passion the books have. The HP movies, however different from the books they are, contain much of the same emotion as the books do.

From hearing about Twilight, I always thought it would be rather stupid and had no interest in it. Then one day out of morbid curiosity I watched the movie. I thought it was OK - not great, but not bad. So I decided to try out the books. Well I read all 4 (and what there is of Midnight Sun) in a week.

I just couldn't stop - I'm not even really a reader either. And I knew objectively that they weren't good books. But still, I teared up several times while reading. I was well aware that I was enjoying them on a teenage girl level. Actually, I don't see how someone who isn't attracted to men could REALLY enjoy these books (not insinuating anything about anyone, just don't get what you would get out of it). I mean you are thrust into Bella's head and YOU become the object of Edward's affection. Plus there's the whole fantasy of not fitting in and then finding this whole other world where you fit perfectly - that did really resonate with me.

It was weird really how much it sucked me in. I couldn't think about anything else. One night I got to about the middle of New Moon, and was in a bad mood the rest of the next day. I knew they were going to break up from the movie trailer, I knew they WOULD get back together, but I just couldn't feel happy until I read it.

Although Edward is NOT perfect! I couldn't believe he took her CD that he gave her when he left! I found that to be inexcusable (so he left it under her floorboards - it's not like she ever would have found it!).

As for Breaking Dawn, I can understand people's disappointment to a degree. I have read through this thread though, and I don't really understand when people said she broke her established rules - what specifically did she break? I think it's just that the rules weren't clearly established (again, objectively speaking not great works of literature). Remember that since this is all in first person, we can't take everything that's said at face value. I think that the lack of a fight could be fixed in a movie version though, because there WAS a fight - it was just Bella's fight. I think if in the movie, if there is one, we (just the viewers and Bella, not the other characters) can SEE the shield and see attacks fighting against it. And maybe if it wasn't quite so easy for her. Just those tweaks I think would satisfy a lot of people.

Here's a thought on a series as a whole. Does anyone think it would have helped if vampires were ugly in the sunlight instead of sparkly? That's where I thought it was going when watching the movie for the first time, like sunlight would dispel the illusion of beauty or something. I think it could have been interesting - and maybe made Bella seem a bit less shallow.

It was weird really how much it sucked me in.

Not weird at all. You have been dazzled. Happened to the best of us. :lol:

vampires only have venom as bodily fluids so vampire sperm shouldnt exist, and no renesmee and bella shouldve had it harder with the bloodlust and neither of her parents cared that she was getting married

vampires only have venom as bodily fluids so vampire sperm shouldnt exist, and no renesmee and bella shouldve had it harder with the bloodlust and neither of her parents cared that she was getting married

Well, was that ever specifically stated? I know on her website, the author said that venom replaces different fluids in different parts of the body to act in much the same way (such as lubricant for the eyes, etc). Sure, it's a bit of a stretch, but I wouldn't say that's breaking a rule.

Renesmee having a harder time with bloodlust - well she's new (as far as they knew anyway), so there was nothing established about it. As for Bella, didn't someone mention at some point that it might be different for her, because she was choosing to become a vampire and preparing herself for it?

Neither of her parents caring - well that's not true, Charlie certainly cared. As for Renee, seemed very believable to me.

Sure, it's a bit of a stretch, but I wouldn't say that's breaking a rule.

She edited that post BD. It used to say that venom replaces all body fluids. And it makes absolutely no sense, in my opinion, that contact lenses dissolve in a vampire's eyes but something as delicate as sperm survives for hundreds of years. Besides, the text also stated that vampires are dead (which makes the question of procreation moot). In BD it was established that they are a new species instead. And different species cannot procreate. See donkeys and horses and their offspring.

Well, was that ever specifically stated? I know on her website, the author said that venom replaces different fluids in different parts of the body to act in much the same way (such as lubricant for the eyes, etc). Sure, it's a bit of a stretch, but I wouldn't say that's breaking a rule.

Renesmee having a harder time with bloodlust - well she's new (as far as they knew anyway), so there was nothing established about it. As for Bella, didn't someone mention at some point that it might be different for her, because she was choosing to become a vampire and preparing herself for it?

Neither of her parents caring - well that's not true, Charlie certainly cared. As for Renee, seemed very believable to me.

oh sorry, i didn't mean renesmee. I was just typing on an itouch and the comma didn't show up. And as Mori said, vampires are dead, but then they're called a different species. Those are inconsistencies.

Whether or not her parents cared, Bella still had it way too easy. She doesn't go through hardships that she should've gone through in BD

Ah...well....a wizard did it!

I didn't read any websites until after I just finished the books, so I didn't know anything changed. Still, just from reading the books alone, there are things that aren't explained very well, but nothing outright contradictory as far as I am aware.

well, it's directly said that vampires are dead (i think? I haven't read the books in a while and unlike with hp, i'm not going to hunt for the quote) and dead things don't procreate. It's possible that the books said that the venom replaces bodily fluids, but i can't be sure either. Vamps are supposed to both not be in control of their bodies during the process of becoming a vamp and have uncontrollable bloodlust. I think that's quite a lot of direct contradictions

But again, said by who? Just because Edward says something doesn't make it fact. They didn't think it was possible for a newborn vampire to control their bloodlust. That's not an error, that's just the characters not being omniscient.

yes they shouldn't be omniscient, but when the rest of the characters can't control their bloodlust, why should only bella be different?

Because none of the rest of the characters wanted to be a vampire, or lived with or loved a vampire before they were turned (OK, on the website it says Esme "loved" Carlisle in a way beforehand, but hardly the same thing). I can easily see how that could make a difference. That's what Jasper was upset about; that's why he was avoiding Bella even after she was turned. He was upset to realize that it was all just about attitude, and his unescapable bloodlust was only because he believed it to be unescapable. It's about taking control of your own destiny.

Because none of the rest of the characters wanted to be a vampire, or lived with or loved a vampire before they were turned (OK, on the website it says Esme "loved" Carlisle in a way beforehand, but hardly the same thing). I can easily see how that could make a difference. That's what Jasper was upset about; that's why he was avoiding Bella even after she was turned. He was upset to realize that it was all just about attitude, and his unescapable bloodlust was only because he believed it to be unescapable. It's about taking control of your own destiny.

The bloodlust should've been more of a physical thing. For example, using the Edward Bella thing, Edward felt incredible bloodlust for Bella, which was the physical part, but he became more and more prepared each time, which was the mental part.

It's about taking control of your own destiny.

Which would have been a good message if fate hadn't replaced freedom of choice in Breaking Dawn. Eclipse was all about choices but Breaking Dawn sent a contradictory message. It was apparently not choice that led Bella to pick Edward, it was fate. And Jacob was fated to fall in love with Renesmee, even though he was completely opposed to the concept of imprinting. So yeah, two contradictory messages right there.

And of course Edward isn't omniscient and we shouldn't take every word from his character for the truth. But we do have to have a certain framework of rules in order to buy the story. Imagine Harry Potter suddenly being able to Apparate into Hogwarts because Hermione, Dumbledore and wizarding literature had been wrong. Even authors have to follow the rules they set up. Otherwise it looks like lazy plotting.

Actually, I did remember last night a part of Breaking Dawn that did pull me right out of it. In a house full of vampires, one of which is a practicing doctor and others holding medical degrees....NONE of them entertained the thought that a half vampire fetus might need blood? I had assumed they had already tried it or something. That to me was the worst plot contrivance.

Renesmee's convenient aging was a bit bothersome, but not completely devoid of logic. Until you are fully matured, your body is in a state of growth. After that, it's in a state of decay (to take an overly simplistic view). It makes sense that her human half would allow her to mature fully and then her vampire half would halt any decay.

The only book I still have is Breaking Dawn - I bought that one after borrowing the first 3 from a friend. But now I want to re-read!!! My plan was to buy on Amazon - Eclipse comes out on paperback next week. But New Moon doesn't seem to be available on Amazon right now in paperback - I guess they're rereleasing it with a movie cover in September. So I might go out in the next couple days in search of copies so I can start the series over sooner!

Oooh, I'll have to get Eclipse in paperback then. I always like to get books in paperback once they come out since it's easier to carry and read when they'e in paperback.

Yes, I found it weird that Renesmee didn't require blood from what I read. It's been a little while since I read BD, so I may have to re-read that.

Hmm, colin makes a good point about Renesmee's aging actually. Because as the human part matures, the vampire part stops the decay of cells that slows growing up. and it' makes sense that she's smarter because she's half vampire. But it's still really convenient.

Thanks, Voldy! I think way too much about these books.

And Bubbly, that's correct. It was said at some point in BD that Nessie could survive on human food, but she much prefers blood (even "vegetarian" blood).

I decided I couldn't wait any longer. I have some time to kill between work and somewhere I have to be at 7, so I'm going down to the mall to pick up Twilight and New Moon so I can start rereading :). I'll buy Eclipse as soon as it's out in paperback.

im kind of tempted to sell my twilight books to my friends who are already obsessed for a reduced price. I couldn't live with myself if i put it on ebay and someone who didn't like twilight bought it :lol:. I have twilight in paperback and eclipse and new moon in hardcover.

I still think that Renesmee was a bit too perfect...kids, no matter how smart they are and understanding they are still have problems like temper tantrums, wanting certain things they shouldn't, that kind of thing.

by the way, colin, what's your explanation for Bella wanting blood during her pregnancy? I understand that the baby wanted to drink blood, but in the end, it's all about nutrition. Bella makes her own blood, so it's more important to make bella healthy so she creates more blood. Any blood she drinks will get digested like any other food and still become the same thing really, a slush of random nutrients. Technically, the cullens could've fed her a mixture of assorted chemicals that form blood. And even if the baby needed only blood, Bella definitely needed more than just blood, which isn't really nutritious for anyone but vamps

No clue. I mean logic only works to a certain degree. These are magical creatures. I guess though there's no reason to assume that the half vampire fetus would get nutrition in the exact same way a regular fetus would. We already know that the birthing process is different (seems like there's no possible way for the baby to just be pushed through the birth canal). I don't know, maybe Bella's blood is too similar to Nessie's own blood, so that doesn't work as a food source? And somehow she is able to directly feed off of the blood Bella drinks? Bella did still need regular food though, once Nessie got what she needed. Eggs :)

I mean logic only works to a certain degree. These are magical creatures.

:lol: Reminds me of a popular joke in the Twilight fandom. No matter what the question, the answer is always VENOM.

That is a funny joke though. It seems that venom is the solution to everything. Hey, maybe they could market that and it could find a cure for cancer. When in doubt, use vampire venom.

That is a funny joke though. It seems that venom is the solution to everything. Hey, maybe they could market that and it could find a cure for cancer. When in doubt, use vampire venom.

:rotfl: It is funny! I've actually never heard it before, which is surprising, because I like to keep up with stuff like that. I like the joke, but vampires aren't even real, so I highly doubt they could find a cure for cancer with it. That would be awesome, though! :lol:

Nessie's existence was against all human and vampire laws, so really it shouldnt matter how Nessie could feed on the blood Bella used to drink, it bothers me much more how Bella got pregnant in the first place.

Yeah, especially since I had heard she wasn't going to make Bella get pregnant at all. I also loathed the idea of Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. It just seemed too cliche for me.

Yeah, especially since I had heard she wasn't going to make Bella get pregnant at all. I also loathed the idea of Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. It just seemed too cliche for me.

I totally get what you mean. I think the book would have been far better if Jacob hadn't imprinted on her, and then the wolf pack had started the fight, or whatever they were planning. Bella really didn't lost much in the books, so I think it would have been much better if she had lost someone, like Renesmee or Alice or Edward.

As of how she got pregnant, Meyer has some sort of answer to that on the FAQ section of her website:
http://stepheniemeyer.com/bd_faq.html
You have to scroll down a bit to find it. Personally, the whole idea confuses me. I don't really understand it at all.

I totally get what you mean. I think the book would have been far better if Jacob hadn't imprinted on her, and then the wolf pack had started the fight, or whatever they were planning. Bella really didn't lost much in the books, so I think it would have been much better if she had lost someone, like Renesmee or Alice or Edward.

As of how she got pregnant, Meyer has some sort of answer to that on the FAQ section of her website:
http://stepheniemeyer.com/bd_faq.html
You have to scroll down a bit to find it. Personally, the whole idea confuses me. I don't really understand it at all.

I understand it, to an extent, but i still think it's poorly thought out. Basically i think she's saying that there are many different forms of venom, and one of these types form vampiric sperm?

For the record, i never liked the idea of the venom as lubricant around the skin. Humans have intercellular fluid as well but what about everything else in vampires? for example, how do they move if their muscles can't relax and contract? And what's the nature of the venom in general? like is it sticky or slick, since vampire skin isn't wet or anything. It's described as like marble.

How are human cells connect anyways? do they have molecules that bind them together or anything?

I totally get what you mean. I think the book would have been far better if Jacob hadn't imprinted on her, and then the wolf pack had started the fight, or whatever they were planning. Bella really didn't lost much in the books, so I think it would have been much better if she had lost someone, like Renesmee or Alice or Edward.


:agree: I would've prefered a fight between the Cullens and the wolves, it would've been an opportunity to see who was really stronger, as both sides keep saying so the whole time, and we have no chance to know for sure. The whole Volturi thing was completley pointless, they've spent days and nights worrying and brought friends from all over the world and then it came to nothing in the end.

The whole Volturi thing was completley pointless, they've spent days and nights worrying and brought friends from all over the world and then it came to nothing in the end.

What I found really curious is that special talents are supposedly rare among vampires, yet basically every single vampire who the Cullens could persuade to fight on their side had a super special gift. :huh:

It's different from the werewolves being misinformed about imprinting because the pack isn't immortal and there was a whole generation between the last pack and Jacob's. But vampires are immortal and with Carlyle they even had a doctor around who spent a lot of time researching the vampire nature. So either they were deliberately lying to Bella or it is another inconsistency.

What I found really curious is that special talents are supposedly rare among vampires, yet basically every single vampire who the Cullens could persuade to fight on their side had a super special gift. :huh:

It's different from the werewolves being misinformed about imprinting because the pack isn't immortal and there was a whole generation between the last pack and Jacob's. But vampires are immortal and with Carlyle they even had a doctor around who spent a lot of time researching the vampire nature. So either they were deliberately lying to Bella or it is another inconsistency.

I agree completely! :agree: Why does it just so happen that almost all of the vampires who are fighting for the Cullens have a gift? None of them really needed to have gifts besides Bella, anyways. There never was a fight, so none of them actually had to use them like Carlisle thought that they might.

It is never said that Carlisle has a gift, but perhaps he attracts gifted individuals. That would explain his family and circle of friends.

It is never said that Carlisle has a gift, but perhaps he attracts gifted individuals. That would explain his family and circle of friends.

I reckon his ability to control the blood thirst around humans, especially during the act of turning them is his gift.

I reckon his ability to control the blood thirst around humans, especially during the act of turning them is his gift.

It is not considered a gift, merely an unnervingly well perfected talented. It came from Carlisle's compassion and motivations.:relax:

Wait, did it actually say that vampires having special gifts was rare? I know it said not all vampires have them, but I don't remember that. I do remember Edward saying something like special humans turn into special vampires, and it's usually the special humans that vampires are drawn to and choose to turn into vampires.

What I found really curious is that special talents are supposedly rare among vampires, yet basically every single vampire who the Cullens could persuade to fight on their side had a super special gift. :huh:
I did actually think about this, and I tried to think of a suitable explanation, it could be that Carlisle had known more vampires, but he only asked those who were talented, and those whom the Volturi knew, to assist the Cullens. At any rate, imo everything in the book was working for their advantage, so I don't see why wouldn't this work well for them,too.


I reckon his ability to control the blood thirst around humans, especially during the act of turning them is his gift.

When Bella asks him about how he manages this, while stitching her in New Moon, he says that this was something he had gained by centuries of practice, so this was not his gift. Carlisle's gift as Edward had once told Bella, was his compassion.

Ive heard mixed views about this. Some say it's fantastic, others say Stephanie Meyer can't write to save her life......

Is it worth reading? Is it possible to read this without comparing it back to Harry Potter?
X

I found Twilight through Eclipse to be readable and enjoyable enough. But I thought Breaking Dawn was awful. I also didn't like any of the vampires (except maybe Alice) and loved any part with the werewolves.

I wouldn't compare it to Harry Potter though, Meggy. They're really nothing alike. Twilight is more a romance that just happens to have fantasy thrown in, while romance was more of a sideplot in HP.

I found Twilight through Eclipse to be readable and enjoyable enough. But I thought Breaking Dawn was awful. I also didn't like any of the vampires (except maybe Alice) and loved any part with the werewolves.

I wouldn't compare it to Harry Potter though, Meggy. They're really nothing alike. Twilight is more a romance that just happens to have fantasy thrown in, while romance was more of a sideplot in HP.

I feel the same way you do. I love Alice though I love the couple of Alice and Jasper. I'm with the werwolves all the way.

In Breakingdawn the best part of that book was Jacob's book and that's it. I was confused by the plot if the book.

I absolutely LOVE the Twilight Series! I just recently read all four of the books in, like, 1 1/2 weeks. (i know, i'm a dork:whistle:) I am Team Edward all the way!
Twilight was very good. I loved the fact that Edward kept trying to keep his distance from Bella, but he just couldn't resist her. I loved the end when he managed enough self-control to suck the venom out to keep her from becoming a vampire. I like the fact that he stands his ground on the subject of her becoming a vamp because he loves her enough to not want her to risk losing her soul.
I Hated New Moon. There was too much Jacob and not enough Edward- that's all I have to say. It was so bad, I was trying to cheat and flip ahead just to glance and make sure that Bella and Edward did get back together!
My favorite is probably Eclipse. Edward and Bella are together...their relationship is perfect in my opinion. I also came to like Jacob a little better since Bella was with Edward, and I knew that wouldn't change. I liked the fact that when she realiized she did love Jacob it hit her like a ton of bricks...because who hasn't been in that situation??
And Breaking Dawn...well, it was okay...but it didn't live up to my expectations. All the other books have led up to Bella and Edward getting married and having sex...and it was nothing...it just faded out. It left me thinking what just happened?...and I had to go back and read the page again. I understand that it is a YA book...but it could have been better than that, I mean, I didn't expect anything explicit. I think the part in Eclipse where Bella tried to seduce Edward when they were alone at the Cullen's house was racier than this. I guess I just expected more.

Ive heard mixed views about this. Some say it's fantastic, others say Stephanie Meyer can't write to save her life......

Is it worth reading? Is it possible to read this without comparing it back to Harry Potter?
X

If you like romance, well, you'll read it sooner or later. If you don't, leave, save yourself!!!!

But it's basically incomparable to Harry potter,

Ive heard mixed views about this. Some say it's fantastic, others say Stephanie Meyer can't write to save her life......

Is it worth reading? Is it possible to read this without comparing it back to Harry Potter?
X

A lot of us say it's fantastic AND that SM can't write to save her life. Personally I find it to be an additcively compelling story, and I think SM's a wonderful storyteller. But in no way do I believe it's good writing.


OK, so I'm chugging along with my second readthroughs. I'm halfway through Eclipse again now. Loving them again. Actually loving them a bit more now that I'm more familiar with the characters. Especially Twilight the second time through. For example, the meadow scene. When Bella's tracing her fingers around Edward's hand and arm, he says something like "you can't imagine how that feels." The first time through I just thought, because she's human and warm. Reading again I realized it's really because he's a 100 year old virgin and has never been touched by a woman like that before!

I'm also reading through all the threads here (well skimming - there's a whole lot to go through!). I've found some little nuggets in the books that I think try to answer a lot of the main criticisms that people have towards these books.

The biggest complaint seems to be that the characters (especially Bella) arent redeeming or good role models. There is one quote in Twilight from Bella's thoughts near the beginning. She is obsessing about Edward (what else), and thinks something along the lines of "I shouldn't be thinking so much about him - it isn't healthy (don't have the books with me, someone feel free to correct this if they want."

Then, in Eclipse, Edward and Bella are discussing Wuthering Heights. I believe Bella says something like "The only thing redeeming about them is their love."

So I believe SM is was fully aware of the complaints people seem to have about her characters, but these are the characters she wanted to write; nothing wrong with that.

Ive heard mixed views about this. Some say it's fantastic, others say Stephanie Meyer can't write to save her life......

Is it worth reading? Is it possible to read this without comparing it back to Harry Potter?
X

Okay, well the reason I love Twilight so much is because I'm a sucker for a romance like Edward and Bella's. The best of the series is definitely Eclipse or Twilight. They had the best storyline of all the books. But, in no way is it comparable to HP in anyway! JK Rowling is by far a better writer. But, Meyer is also a good storyteller, in my opinion. I guess it just depends on your taste in books.

love them with all my heart.

You can't compare it to Harry Potter; the two stories aren't in any way similar.

I loved the first book. I was sucked right in and thought that, although Bella annoyed the hell out of me, I could put up with it because of characters like Alice and Jasper (my favourites) who were a good balance for her.
New Moon is where it dropped for me. This is where I really lost all respect for Bella. She had a life before Edward, she had had friends who were there for her; she meets Edward and ditches them. He leaves and she finally starts hanging with them again, and then "Oh, Edwards back!" And she leaves them. If that was real life I would never talk to Bella. Ditching your friends for your boyfriend isn't cool.

Eclipse was better, but I thought Bella's sudden feelings for Jacob just came from no where. It didn't even seem real. She was turning him down throughout the whole book and then suddenly fell in love with him?

And I refuse to talk about Breaking Dawn. It was more like fanfiction than anything else...

I will agree that the WRITING isn't all that good. There are technical errors in these books that I also found in Eragon. And Meyer and Paolini both got published rather quickly. I think Meyer needed to spend more time exploring literary techniques than getting published. On the other hand, she does know how to tell a good story and that's why I was addicted to them, and I think that's why they've sold so much. It's a good story (even though there isn't an actual plot in any of the books, XD)! And a good way to kill a dull summer.

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Eclipse was better, but I thought Bella's sudden feelings for Jacob just came from no where. It didn't even seem real. She was turning him down throughout the whole book and then suddenly fell in love with him?


I totally agree. She kisses him one time, and then all of a sudden she loves him? It just doesn't make any sense at all! How can you love someone after one kiss!? Surely her feelings for him are that of friendship, and not of love!

isnt it that cliched "spark" or something? I wouldn't know, I'd rather have the spark before the kiss :lol:

I was really into Twilight after I first read it in 2006. (Needless to say, I was only just turning thirteen).
New Moon and Eclipse I found sort of okay but lame, and Breaking Dawn was just, excuse me, simply ridiculous and weird as heck.

Twilight for sure is a nice book for little girls to read because most of them can identify with Bella (she is pretty, but not beautiful; sort of smart, but not hyper intelligent; there's nothing she's really outstandingly good at; her parents are divorced; she doesn't really have a hobby or anything; she's not really popular at school but not a freak either, ... she's just the average girl. Stephenie Meyer did a smart thing creating a characterless character without doing it too obviously, so little girls won't realize that she's boring like no other) and are waiting for someone like Edward to come along (who actually doesn't have a lot of personality either.

The writing is just easily readable and there's not a lot of depth to anything there. Just a cute little love story without a point at all. :relax:


And I haven't come to the point where I understand the obsession about the movie :err: In my opionion, it's an average film with a talentless cast on crack.

It's not the first time we have to remind in here that it is quite easy to word critiques in a polite and actually family friendly way. Please do so or risk a warning. Thanks!

You can't compare it to Harry Potter; the two stories aren't in any way similar.

Couldn't agree more. :agree:

I loved the first book. I was sucked right in and thought that, although Bella annoyed the hell out of me, I could put up with it because of characters like Alice and Jasper (my favourites) who were a good balance for her.

I'm right there with you. Alice and Jasper were vital for Bella's character. As you say, the balance was right and made sense.


New Moon is where it dropped for me. This is where I really lost all respect for Bella. She had a life before Edward, she had had friends who were there for her; she meets Edward and ditches them. He leaves and she finally starts hanging with them again, and then "Oh, Edwards back!" And she leaves them. If that was real life I would never talk to Bella. Ditching your friends for your boyfriend isn't cool.

Again, absolutely agreed. I hated the whole concept of New Moon. The girl was so unbelievably depressed that she lived her life as a zombie; barely even paying attention to those around her. Life was sucked right out of her, and I just could not believe how thoroughly without an identity Bella was.

Eclipse was better, but I thought Bella's sudden feelings for Jacob just came from no where. It didn't even seem real. She was turning him down throughout the whole book and then suddenly fell in love with him?

:agree: Extremely out of place.



Twilight for sure is a nice book for little girls to read because most of them can identify with Bella (she is pretty, but not beautiful; sort of smart, but not hyper intelligent; there's nothing she's really outstandingly good at; her parents are divorced; she doesn't really have a hobby or anything; she's not really popular at school but not a freak either, ... she's just the average girl. Stephenie Meyer did a smart thing creating a characterless character without doing it too obviously, so little girls won't realize that she's boring like no other) and are waiting for someone like Edward to come along (who actually doesn't have a lot of personality either.

It's interesting that you say that Bella is a characterless character. She definitely exhibited poor judgement when it came to Edward and the different decisions she needed to make in life. To be honest, I think Meyer might have had better success in a literary sense if she'd made Bella a stronger character and with a stronger will. In my opinion, she seemed like a weak girl who had no real grasp of decision-making. When she began to like Jacob out of the blue, it was a bit confusing to me. I understand that she was lonely and needed a friend, but as the series go on, she honestly feels herself in love with Jacob, when really, I think that she felt due to gratitude because he was there for her in New Moon.

The writing and the actual story could've used a bit more oomph in certain respects, but it's a catchy series nonetheless.

Twilight for sure is a nice book for little girls to read because most of them can identify with Bella (she is pretty, but not beautiful; sort of smart, but not hyper intelligent; there's nothing she's really outstandingly good at; her parents are divorced; she doesn't really have a hobby or anything; she's not really popular at school but not a freak either, ... she's just the average girl. Stephenie Meyer did a smart thing creating a characterless character without doing it too obviously, so little girls won't realize that she's boring like no other) and are waiting for someone like Edward to come along (who actually doesn't have a lot of personality either.

I think she did it in a manner that just plain made Bella boring. Kids like having people to identify with, but you don't do that by making a character completely characterless. You do it by making your character an individual and by making other characters individuals and well defined. For example, with Harry Potter, Harry has a character, Ron has a character, Hermione has a character, even side characters like Neville and Luna and Ginny (kind of iffy on Ginny...) have characters. Kids don't have to connect wtih the main character, there are other side characters they can like too. Besides, kids don't have to see Bella as themselves, they can see Bella as like a sister or a friend. When i was little i could somewhat identify with Harry, but it didn't mean i WAS harry, it meant htat Harry was my best friend (that i currently hate for killing the love of my life :D). Edward has zero personality either, just cheesily "romantic".

I sort of identified with Bella when she talked about not being athletic because I'm like that too, but other than that, I don't think I'm like her at all. I certainly didn't fall in love with my boyfriend as fast as she fell in love with Edward.

i'm definitely like Bella in the athletics and klutz department and I think of myself as average looks and I used to be at her level of self confidence, but even if i read Twilight at a much younger age when I could identify with her, i think all it would've done is make me dislike myself.

I can identify with her a lot. Not just being clumsy and unathletic, though I am. I think everyone can in one way or the other.

In my view, giving her some interests and hobbies would have done a world of good to the character. Bella is supposed to be a bookworm but we never see her reading anything other than canon classics that are on the school curriculum. That's not really an acquired taste, that's...unimaginative. I think that one of Meyer's biggest flaws as a writer is that she does telling more than showing. We are told that Bella is a big reader, we're not shown. Only one example of many.

Yeah, I agree with that. Bella's only interested in classic novels like Wuthering Heights, but she's never shown reading other books. Maybe Meyer had her read Wuthering Heights because of the parallels between her and Edward's relationship or something. Still, about the only other hobby she had was spending time with Jacob on the bikes.

In my view, giving her some interests and hobbies would have done a world of good to the character. Bella is supposed to be a bookworm but we never see her reading anything other than canon classics that are on the school curriculum. That's not really an acquired taste, that's...unimaginative. I think that one of Meyer's biggest flaws as a writer is that she does telling more than showing. We are told that Bella is a big reader, we're not shown. Only one example of many.

I agree completely. Bella never actually read any titles other than ones that basically every other person on the planet has read. Meyer also states that Bella is very clumsy and unathletic. Did she ever acutally write a chapter depicting how clumsy Bella was, or did she just say it? I think the movie actually showed more about how clumsy she is than the book actually did. :grumble:

I agree completely. Bella never actually read any titles other than ones that basically every other person on the planet has read. Meyer also states that Bella is very clumsy and unathletic. Did she ever acutally write a chapter depicting how clumsy Bella was, or did she just say it? I think the movie actually showed more about how clumsy she is than the book actually did. :grumble:

i think Meyers had a chapter about Bella failing at either badminton or tennis and mike winning by himself, but i dont remember how she told it

In my view, giving her some interests and hobbies would have done a world of good to the character. Bella is supposed to be a bookworm but we never see her reading anything other than canon classics that are on the school curriculum. That's not really an acquired taste, that's...unimaginative. I think that one of Meyer's biggest flaws as a writer is that she does telling more than showing. We are told that Bella is a big reader, we're not shown. Only one example of many.

I absolutely agree.


I agree completely. Bella never actually read any titles other than ones that basically every other person on the planet has read. Meyer also states that Bella is very clumsy and unathletic. Did she ever acutally write a chapter depicting how clumsy Bella was, or did she just say it? I think the movie actually showed more about how clumsy she is than the book actually did. :grumble:

I think in Twilight there's gym class where they play volleyball, but that's about it.

Yes, there is the gym class scene where she falls over I believe, but not much more than that. Oh, she did fall off the bike in New Moon.

If I remember correctly, she trips constantly. In fact, at her wedding, she can't walk two steps without support. Which is why she needs a strong man in her life, who keeps her from falling. No, really. Edward literally hands her over to Jacob, who immediately steadies her. I don't know if Meyer noticed how misogynist the metaphor is and if she intended it but it is definitely there.

If I remember correctly, she trips constantly. In fact, at her wedding, she can't walk two steps without support. Which is why she needs a strong man in her life, who keeps her from falling. No, really. Edward literally hands her over to Jacob, who immediately steadies her. I don't know if Meyer noticed how misogynist the metaphor is and if she intended it but it is definitely there.

Yea, that does sound very misogynist. Seriously, what person can't walk by themselves? Gosh, I wish this book didn't sound so misogynist! :no:

Yea, that does sound very misogynist. Seriously, what person can't walk by themselves?
Agreed there. That's just poor writing right there :no:. Just reading it made me shake my head.

On a side note though, I did take a chance recently to read some of 'Breaking Dawn'... and I'll say this, the grammar is much better than it was in the first book. As for the book itself though, I'm not impressed.

I'll have to check them out sometime to see for myself.

If I remember correctly, she trips constantly. In fact, at her wedding, she can't walk two steps without support. Which is why she needs a strong man in her life, who keeps her from falling. No, really. Edward literally hands her over to Jacob, who immediately steadies her. I don't know if Meyer noticed how misogynist the metaphor is and if she intended it but it is definitely there.
Ugh, yeah really. I dont think Meyer intended it, but it was just completely idiotic

Agreed there. That's just poor writing right there :no:. Just reading it made me shake my head.

On a side note though, I did take a chance recently to read some of 'Breaking Dawn'... and I'll say this, the grammar is much better than it was in the first book. As for the book itself though, I'm not impressed.

I'll have to check them out sometime to see for myself.
I would take the poor grammar over horrible plot :no:

Ugh, yeah really. I dont think Meyer intended it, but it was just completely idiotic


I would take the poor grammar over horrible plot :no:
Don't blame ya there, v8. The plot just seemed... bad. Not my style whatsoever. Just off the wall in parts.

I didn't really notice the grammar, but the plot just didn't seem that good. I liked how there was action, but I wish it would've been in the middle of the books instead of at the end.

i think Meyers had a chapter about Bella failing at either badminton or tennis and mike winning by himself, but i dont remember how she told it

Yes. That scene did happen. Bella literally stood there and let Mike do everything. Then Clapp asked that Bella played. She managed to crash her head into the net and clip Mike on the arm in one shot. Bella spent the rest of the time standing at the back, her racquet safely out of the way.

Yes, there is the gym class scene where she falls over I believe, but not much more than that. Oh, she did fall off the bike in New Moon.

There were a few gym scenes actually. She fell of the bike several times in New Moon. :lol: Hard not to when you are sitting on a motorcycle for the first time! :relax:

Yea, that does sound very misogynist. Seriously, what person can't walk by themselves? Gosh, I wish this book didn't sound so misogynist! :no:

:D It could be genetic. Bella seemed to imply that she inherited her balance issues from her father.


I didn't really notice the grammar, but the plot just didn't seem that good. I liked how there was action, but I wish it would've been in the middle of the books instead of at the end.

I will have to agree. Breaking Dawn certainly ended in a disappointing fashion. All that suspense and panic, ending with nothing more than a talk and the bullies going away. I would have liked a fight and some action too.l

It could be genetic. Bella seemed to imply that she inherited her balance issues from her father.

Yeah but we don't see people helping Charlie out of the car and taking him by the hand, so that he can do his job. :lol:

I agree. I think Charlie may have balance issues, but he's gotten over it to do his job. I think Bella hasn't gotten over it which is why she's such a klutz.

I've seen a lot of klutzes in my day and I'm one of them and my art teacher is deaf in one ear so there was a period of time when she had to get used to it, and the way she made it sound, even she wasn't as much of a klutz as bella :lol:

http://movies.msn.com/superfans/twilight/twilight-vs-harry-potter-face-off/top-100-reasons-twilight-is-better-than-harry-potter/

This makes me extremely proud to be an hp fan :lol:. The reasons some of the people list are just absolutely hilarious. But reading through part of it, i really dont get why they get compared at all. Like how some people say"because it's a love story, and who doesn't love romance?" :err:

Reason Twilight is better: omg n e 1 who tinks that hp is better is *** [bleep from me]! twilight is the best cuz steph mayer don't use big words like jk do (i can't undurstand her!!!1 ***?!!!?!11). bella is *** best girl hero evar--she keeps herself 4 her husband n isnt fat like harry. she's sooooooOOoooo prettty!!! also cant get story in hp--so boryng cuz theres no hawt guys or kissng. n edward n jacob together wud be so hawt. wanna c it in *** new movie!
ok, so we get: twilight is better because it doesn't use big words and the guys are "hawt" and Harry is fat :rotfl:

Reason Twilight is better: Okay well, first of all! Harry Potter was boring ,seriously i tried reading it and i couldn't understand anything it was so boring and confusing. Cause I'm so dumb it actually hurts!!!!.
so Harry Potter is too smart for them :rolleyes:

Reason Twilight is better: because Bella's a normal teenager while herry is "the chossen one" and most of us have been or will be teenagers, how many of us have magical powers we use to save the world?therefor bella is easier to relate too.
i found Lord Voldemort easier to relate to than Bella :rotfl:.

LIKE OMG, I can't believe people think HP is better! I mean, Twilight has attractive, good looking people, a... love story... and attractive, good looking people! And like, omg, Edward is just so hot. And like, omg, Jacob is just so hot. Because that's so realistic, you know? Hot people? All in one small tiny town in the middle of nowhere called Forks?
I know there's a movie thread but i still have no idea how Rpattz is hot, and i'm supposedly in the middle of puberty :p. And when it comes to books, i guess what makes a good book is: this guy is hawt. So if JKR described Harry as incredibly hot, Harry Potter would be way more popular :rolleyes:

Some of them did give some halfway decent reasons though, or at least they were reasons that is only really opinion and not something that's purely really horrible taste.

I'd say the last quote you posted is highly ironic and written by a HP fan but that's just me.


And let's focus on posts made by members of this forum. The people you quoted cannot defend their viewpoints here.

ok, so we get: twilight is better because it doesn't use big words and the guys are "hawt" and Harry is fat :rotfl:

Most of Twilight fans I've seen, don't even like reading. They just got hooked to the book because of how 'hawt' Edward is. And because of the number of kisses, and other nonsense. So when it comes to Harry, there's no cool or hot boys. And since they never loved reading they clash with Jo's 'Big' words.

Oh, and Harry is fat while Bella is pretty? What a comparison :rolleyes:


So if JKR described Harry as incredibly hot, Harry Potter would be way more popular :rolleyes:



I can't how people could judge a book according to how hot the characters are. It depends on how each person would define 'hot'. Jo describes Harry as a boy with dark hair and green eyes. To one girl this could be incredibly hot. To another, absolutely not. Same goes to Sirius, Draco, Voldemort, etc.

I think it's just the times the word 'beautiful','exquisite' 'breathtaking' were used in both books that gives readers such impressions. If it wasn't told a thousand times in Twilight how Edward was beautiful, I think he wouldn't have gained such a huge number of fans.

V8, that was hilarious what you posted and so messed up. They should see the fangirls for Sirius for Pete's sake or even Snape. I don't think Edward was that hot, and I admired Harry because he was a true hero and did something worthwhile for the greater good. What did Edward do? Stalk Bella. Yeah, that's really heroic (sarcasm).

I can't how people could judge a book according to how hot the characters are. It depends on how each person would define 'hot'. Jo describes Harry as a boy with dark hair and green eyes. To one girl this could be incredibly hot. To another, absolutely not. Same goes to Sirius, Draco, Voldemort, etc.


For example: voldemort :love::drool: *squee* :D

I'm relatively new to Twilight, just saw the movie first time this past weekend, and poked around some on the twilight lexicon page.
One thing that bothers me in the story is the physics; when someone is turned into a vampire, the blood they had as a human hangs around and is slowly "digested" over the first year, much as fat stores might in a human who stopped eating. Also, their heart stops beating when they turn. In the real world, all blood pools down in the lower part of the body due to gravity and lack of circulation, it doesn't harden or anything. So I'm left wondering how or why that doesn't happen in the story? Small stuff like that kills a good fiction story for me; when the little details are taken care of, somehow, I'm able to better suspend disbelief and go with the flow.
Besides that though, the whole idea is getting less original every week; I was a huge Buffy fan back in the '90s, it was basically the same story except Buffy wasn't klutzy or weak- but, she was mortal, and her lovers, first Angel, then Spike, were vamps. Now of course, there's also Tru-Blood, The Vampire Diaries, and Being Human, for starters. It's a bit overkill.

Why oh why am I a Twilight fan right now? :rotfl: Some of the reasons those people gave were really dumb and hilarious. At least I have a good reason about why I'm a Twilight fan. I'm a sucker for a romance like Bella and Edward's. I do not like Twilight because the guys are "hawt". I like it because of the characters, (Bella's not very three-demisonal, though) and the plot. The plot isn't the best, but after reading HP who would think that? I still like the books, but for reasonable reasons! :D

i didn't mind the fact that they liked some of the characters though, but i'm kinda sad that they didn't really mention Jasper :(, but Alice totally deserves the fans :p

i didn't mind the fact that they liked some of the characters though, but i'm kinda sad that they didn't really mention Jasper :(, but Alice totally deserves the fans :p

I always mentioned Jasper. JAsper and Alice are my favorite couple.

I like Alice and Jasper, too. I don't judge characters based on looks but on likeability. That's the way it should be.

I like Alice and Jasper not because they look cute together (because they probably look freakishly weird) but due to their emotional connection. Jasper needs help adapting to the more humanitarian way of life; that's where Alice means a lot to him. Alice was also his source of hope into escaping from the crazy dilemma he was in (To kill or not to kill. :lol:). Jasper in turn has meant plenty to Alice. She would give up everything for him; she would even lie to him if that was the only way of keeping him alive (New moon). But what I love about them most is that they are still their own. They are still two independent people (:whistle: well, vampires) who make their own decisions. While they support each other frequently, both Jasper and Alice feel free to express their opinions, clash or no clash.

yeah I agree. In a way, Alice should be much more in need of support than Bella because of her background but shes still amazingly independent and just amazing :p. If I hadto ever read a love story in the Twi universe again, it would be about thosetwo

Yes, I'd love to read a story about Alice and Jasper. Those two are very interesting.

I remember reading a really good fanfiction about how Jasper and Alice met. It had character development and a credible plot. I think this is as much as we'll get. Meyer seems more interested in Jacob/Nessie.

Yeah, and that paring is wrong on so many levels. Ugh.

I've been reading a new series called Night World which is way better than Twlight, IMHO. While the first story I read sounds like it may be a Twilight rip-off, it isn't really.

http://movies.msn.com/superfans/twilight/twilight-vs-harry-potter-face-off/top-100-reasons-twilight-is-better-than-harry-potter/



That just literally got me laughing out loud, and I'm all by myself in my room :lol:
Makes me proud to be a Harry Potter fan, proud to know how to spell and think, and proud I do possess something like a brain.

Yes, I feel the same way and that I don't like a character just because he's "hawt." I like characters for personality.

That just literally got me laughing out loud, and I'm all by myself in my room :lol:
Makes me proud to be a Harry Potter fan, proud to know how to spell and think, and proud I do possess something like a brain.

Actually, a lot of those seem like none too subtle parodies of what many consider Twilight fans to be like, IMO.

Actually, a lot of those seem like none too subtle parodies of what many consider Twilight fans to be like, IMO.

It's what I hope, too. But sadly, I think they're just serious.

Actually, a lot of those seem like none too subtle parodies of what many consider Twilight fans to be like, IMO.

I agree.

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And I'd really like you all to move on now. This is not a place where we can all congratulate ourselves on being superior to other people and their interests. Talk about and discuss the books, not the fans! Further posts about HP fans vs. Twilight fans will be deleted. Thanks.

I went to the link that was put up earlier. Reading the comments were interesting. The last two questions on the list (Who would win, Hermione or Bella; Who'd be the better bf, Harry or Edward), I felt were really pointless. Bella comes across as weak, so, to me, Hermione would win...although, I personally feel it would be a stalemate since I doubt either would fight unless they had a legitimate reason. :p

As for the boyfriend thing, both, imo, are very inexperienced with relationships. Besides, for Twilight, that seemed more like "lust" as opposed to "love" to me when it came to Edward x Bella. So yeah...bad questions.

Over all, I felt that Harry Potter is the better series. It's more complex, it's not just a single thing going on. For Twilight, and I hate to agree with it, but the story from Bella's perspective does get boring, which is why I had a tough time getting through book 3 and still can't bring myself to read book 4. It's gathering dust on my shelf. With the HP books, I don't know how many times I read books 3, 4, and 5. It was lot, though.

Bella's character never seemed to change or "grow up". As the series went on (unless this changed for Breaking Dawn), she became more and more selfish, emo, and whiny when she didn't have much of a reason to at some points (worrying over her family being attacked by vampires, okay, I can see, but everything else, no). To me, she never seemed to realize that the world didn't revolve around her. I know Harry had this problem somewhat when it came to attention (like from his friends and all that), but at least he learned to "give back" (HBP comes to mind, when he seemed to hang around Hermione more because he understood that she needed someone more than Ron at that moment). Bella never learned that nor did she ever exhibit it.

I agree. Plus Twilight is more about romance than action while HP has a blend of different things that make it a good series. As for the fans, they could be parodies, but I do think that some people could be serious about certain things such as Edward being hot.

I always mentioned Jasper. JAsper and Alice are my favorite couple.

I never really enjoyed reading Jasper a lot. I didn't have a problem with Alice. But I didn't like her much, either.
It seemed to me that Jasper followed and copied whatever Alice did. To me, it seemed that he didn't have decisions of his own after meeting Alice. This could be because of her seeing the future and all. But I think it was overly done. For instance in New Moon, when Alice saw that vision of Bella, he thinks that they should not interfere. Yet he doesn't act to stop Alice from going or anything. As Edward described it in Mid Night Sun; Alice confidence, and Jasper's confidence in that confidence . I hope I got it right, I haven't read the book since ages.

To me Edward was the most interesting character in the series. Not because he was hot or anything. Personally I think the beauty thing about Edward was a bit exaggerated by Bella. I liked him because of the mind reading ability. I think it made him more insightful than any other character no matter how intelligent or experienced. That's why I really enjoyed Mid Night Sun more than any other Twilight book. If it's ever published I might think of reading it.

To me Edward was the most interesting character in the series. Not because he was hot or anything. Personally I think the beauty thing about Edward was a bit exaggerated by Bella. I liked him because of the mind reading ability. I think it made him more insightful than any other character no matter how intelligent or experienced. That's why I really enjoyed Mid Night Sun more than any other Twilight book. If it's ever published I might think of reading it.

Totally agree, though I was always really interested in Carlisle and his backstory, which was kind of complete, wasn't it? I mean... his dad hunted vampires and then Carlisle became one. What did Carlisle felt? What did his dad felt? I really wish I could know more of that. And Esme too. She felt from a cliff. Why did Carlisle saved her? Was he already in love with her? Or when did he?

MidNight sun or at least the little part that is out, legally or not, is my fav one too.

Yeah, they should really do a whole origin series about the Cullens and how they all came to meet each other. I think that would be awesome, especially if they fleshed out Carlisle and Esme. I really like Esme a lot. She seems very maternal and loving.

OK, just about done with my third readthrough of Twilight (my husband was watching Too Human, and all I could think was "he's no Edward!" So I had to read again!). I found a possible plot hole/inconsistancy?

When they are hiding from James and Alice is having visions, at first she can't make out that one of them is in Bella's house. She sees James with a VCR, but she says it's too dark to see anything else. How is it too dark ever for a vampire? Could it be that Stephenie just didn't have that little detail about their sight worked out yet?

That could be the case, or she just plopped the stuff about their sight later without even looking at her other draft.

OK, just about done with my third readthrough of Twilight (my husband was watching Too Human, and all I could think was "he's no Edward!" So I had to read again!). I found a possible plot hole/inconsistancy?

When they are hiding from James and Alice is having visions, at first she can't make out that one of them is in Bella's house. She sees James with a VCR, but she says it's too dark to see anything else. How is it too dark ever for a vampire? Could it be that Stephenie just didn't have that little detail about their sight worked out yet?Uh, I came away with the idea that James had been sitting in the darkened living room and that this was the vision Alive had of him. {Could be totally wrong, though.} By next morning she seemed to be drawing the room when lit with daylight.

Yeah, that could be true, too.

I think that that is the case. Alice doesn't personally go and look at these because well she can't.At any rate, she sees the image that some other outsider thing creates.

Does vampires hair grow? If not, does that mean Carlisle's hair had been the same for three centuries? It would fall off. Or is it resistant like everything in vampires? :hmm:

it's supposed to be same and is resistant like everything else, or Alice's short hair would've grown out. I remember either Edward or James mentioning something about her hair

Really? I don't remember that.

Really? I don't remember that.

Yup, her hair was cut in the asylum and it stayed that way after she was turned.

I have a question for everyone...

When I was at school today, my librarian said that she thought that they did a horrible job turning the book into the movie. Does anyone agree? I thought they did a pretty decent job at it, but my favorite scene was left out, the blood-typing one. :grumble: other that, I thought it was pretty well done.

I have a question for everyone...

When I was at school today, my librarian said that she thought that they did a horrible job turning the book into the movie. Does anyone agree? I thought they did a pretty decent job at it, but my favorite scene was left out, the blood-typing one. :grumble: other that, I thought it was pretty well done.

I really didn't care for the movie. I decided to read the book after I saw the movie, and liked the movie even worse.

I really didn't care for the movie. I decided to read the book after I saw the movie, and liked the movie even worse.

the green white coloring bothered me SOOOO much.

I thought they did a great job in the movie. Sure, they left out a few things and added in some other things, but it didn't detract from the movie that much. It was fairly well done, and I'm eagerly awaiting New Moon to see if it's done well.

May I remind everyone that this is the fiction forum? We have a Twilight movie thread, please post your thoughts on the film there. Thanks. :)

I didn't like the movie much.

Anyway, which book was your favourite in the saga? My choice would be Eclipse as the internal tension is more concentrated as well as the morals about prejudice. (the werewolves) :tu:

I didn't like the movie much.

Anyway, which book was your favourite in the saga? My choice would be Eclipse as the internal tension is more concentrated as well as the morals about prejudice. (the werewolves) :tu:

Honestly, I don't have a favorite book in the saga. I like all of them. Though I'm probably one of the few who really loved Breaking Dawn... maybe even a little more than the rest of them. I just always loved the thought of Vampire!Bella, and Nessie's pretty cool too.

I found Bella's new vampire side interesting and Nessie! Oh, that was so sweet. But to me, the main drawback of Breaking Dawn was in the ending. After all the tension, stress and anticipation, no true battle takes place. The Volturi come, the Volturi go. That was a disappointing end to an excellent series of captivating books.

But to me, the main drawback of Breaking Dawn was in the ending. After all the tension, stress and anticipation, no true battle takes place. The Volturi come, the Volturi go. That was a disappointing end to an excellent series of captivating books.

It's a personal opinion whether the series is great or not. Personally, I didn't find it shocking that the series ended the way it did. From the begining of the book I failed to put my hand on the actual plot. The plot, imo was obscured behind the romance. Romance covered everything in the book. Even the characters were not very well written, because Meyer focused on their love and feelings instead of their likes, dislikes, interests, etc. It would've been quite interesting to concentrate more on the plot and associate the events with some romance.

Honestly, I've read countless reasons why people don't like Twilight so much. And I have some reasons, too. But I would really appreciate it if some Twilight-fans mentioned some reasons why they like Twilight and think it's a great series :).

I don't have a favorite book in the series. While it's a good series, it's not great like Harry Potter. The reason I do like it is because for me it's different from other books I've read, though it definitely has its drawback such as no battle at the end of BD.

My favourite one was Eclipse. I love Jacob, and we really get to know him there, besides, I really dislike Edward, so it was cool not seeing his... cool face.

I hated Breaking Dawn, it's so booring, imo, I didn't even finished it out, because I kept falling asleep. I really disliked the part II, narrated by Jacob. The whole Werewolve thing sounded so interesting to me. I thought it was kind of dull when it was Jacob talking about it from his POV. The whole imprimating thing freaked me out. :S

My favorite was Eclipse, I don't know why, it was just the most interesting for me to read. I really dislike Jacob, so all those parts got on my nerves, but I liked everything else. Especially the huge blowout between Edward, Riley, and Victoria, that was pretty cool.

My favorite part of the entire book is still the part between Edward and Jacob in the tent when Bella thinks she's dreaming. I don't know why, I think I mostly like it because Edward and Jacob finally had a civilized conversation together! :lol: It always annoyed me that Bella didn't know she wasn't dreaming though, and I don't know why! :lol:

My favorite part of the entire book is still the part between Edward and Jacob in the tent when Bella thinks she's dreaming. I don't know why, I think I mostly like it because Edward and Jacob finally had a civilized conversation together!

I liked that scene, too, and, looking back, I'd say it's because there is a real conflict and Edward and Jacob are facing it and each other.

My favorite book was Eclypse, but also New moon... because... well, there's more Jacob and less Edward :p. I liked the series up until the 4th book... I really hated Breaking Dawn. Everything about it. Bella becoming a vampire, having Reneesme, and Jacob imprinting on her... that's just gross. And the all pacific ending was ***... after about 40-50 vicious vampires and about 15-16 wolves gathering in one place, and nothing... everyone just turns around and goes home peacefully :grumble:... it's ridiculous imo.

I don't like Edward much... he's just boring. If I were a big Twilight fan, I'd definitely be on Team Jacob, but I'm not, so i don't really care that much... but I do think Bella made the wrong choice.

And I really hate all her nonsence throughout all four books about how it's so terrible to be human, and her drooling over vampires powers, and how heavenly beautiful and eternal and all around perfect they are... and then she gets it all confirmed by becoming one of them! It's sad that in the end that's the lesson that the reader gets... yes, you should feel weak nad pathetic for being human! :grumble: I'd rather die a tousand times than become a bloodsucker. :relax:

Yeah, BD had a lot of flaws in it, especially with the battle scene. She builds it up so much and then there's nothing because Bella makes that shield. Ugh! I really hated that there wasn't any fighting at all.

Also Jacob imprinting on Renesmee was very gross. I couldn't believe Meyer did that with her characters. The same goes for Quil imprinting on Claire who's two at the time. Yuck.

Yeah, BD had a lot of flaws in it, especially with the battle scene. She builds it up so much and then there's nothing because Bella makes that shield. Ugh! I really hated that there wasn't any fighting at all.

Also Jacob imprinting on Renesmee was very gross. I couldn't believe Meyer did that with her characters. The same goes for Quil imprinting on Claire who's two at the time. Yuck.

Yeah, the fight was a major let down. I tried to give it a chance, but I really like all of those epic battle scenes! :lol: Maybe because I'm a total Potter nerd, who knows?

And the imprinting was gross too. It didn't bother me at first, but then I kept reading, and I wanted to rip Jacob's throat out!

Yeah, I agree. After reading HP, I really like to read epic battle scenes and was hoping this would be one of those. How sadly mistaken I was.

Ugh! I really hated that there wasn't any fighting at all.

Also Jacob imprinting on Renesmee was very gross. I couldn't believe Meyer did that with her characters. The same goes for Quil imprinting on Claire who's two at the time. Yuck.

There was no fighting because there's no fighting without losses. And after reading the books and especially Breaking Dawn, I felt that Meyer doesn't like a sad ending. No one does, really. But a happy ending could be mixed with some bitterness to make the story more realistic and even easier to imagine (for instance, in HP, Harry defeats Voldemort in the end which was a great thing. Yet there was the sad memory of the people he'd lost in the battle disturbing the happiness of the victory). I also noticed Meyer's tendency to bring a happy ending on the expense of the story's quality and reality, in many points of the book. Jacob's imprinting thing is a good example. As is the disappointing ending of the series. And how Renesme was going to live normally, etc, etc..


And the imprinting was gross too. It didn't bother me at first, but then I kept reading, and I wanted to rip Jacob's throat out!

:rotfl: I experienced the same feeling. Actually, while reading I was rather hoping that Edward or Rosalie would lose patience and control and 'rip his throat out'. I always wanted a Vampire/Werewolf fight.

I'm in the middle of reading the first Twilight book myself... I got it used from my local book store.

This is what I think of it so far...

I still don't like it. The main character, Bella, is rather self-centered, and as for the story itself... it has failed to keep my interest. For the most part... it draws comparison to long, boring (droning) lecturing. Heck I usually read books pretty fast myself -- when I'm drawn into them... but not with this one... nope :no:. It doesn't really have any real spirit to it writing-wise. The prose itself has a mechanical-like feel to it. The characters are drawn out ok... but in terms of the history... just not enough to really make me even care about them or even feel any kind of emotion.

In the end, I'm glad that I got the first two books used -- and I plan to do the same for the last two. They're not worth paying full price for. I did that for Harry Potter and Dean Koontz's Frankenstein series... since they drew me in and were worth it in the end. If she had only worked some more in terms of character development (as in fleshing out the characters and their histories) and how Bella spoke and interacted with others... perhaps the book would have been better.

I'm in the middle of reading the first Twilight book myself... I got it used from my local book store.

This is what I think of it so far...

I still don't like it. The main character, Bella, is rather self-centered, and as for the story itself... it has failed to keep my interest. For the most part... it draws comparison to long, boring (droning) lecturing. Heck I usually read books pretty fast myself -- when I'm drawn into them... but not with this one... nope :no:. It doesn't really have any real spirit to it writing-wise. The prose itself has a mechanical-like feel to it. The characters are drawn out ok... but in terms of the history... just not enough to really make me even care about them or even feel any kind of emotion.

In the end, I'm glad that I got the first two books used -- and I plan to do the same for the last two. They're not worth paying full price for. I did that for Harry Potter and Dean Koontz's Frankenstein series... since they drew me in and were worth it in the end. If she had only worked some more in terms of character development (as in fleshing out the characters and their histories) and how Bella spoke and interacted with others... perhaps the book would have been better.

Just give it some time. I put twilight down twice I remember when I first started it. I just thought it was terrible writing and extremely boring for the first half. Somehow though, by the end of the first book I was liking the series more. New moon though, was when I realized I was hopelessly addicted. It was just heartbreaking.

Just give it some time. I put twilight down twice I remember when I first started it. I just thought it was terrible writing and extremely boring for the first half. Somehow though, by the end of the first book I was liking the series more. New moon though, was when I realized I was hopelessly addicted. It was just heartbreaking.
I have... and I still don't like it. It's only average. That's pretty much my take on it. Yes it does get better... but it's still only average. So I know, I won't be an addicted fan. Just a person reading the series.

No offense to all of you Twilight fans out there.

I really enjoyed the series until Breaking Dawn. That's when it all fell apart for me. I'll still read the series from time to time and see the movies when they come out to see if they are true to the books, but I'm not a die hard fan like I am of Harry Potter. I think if she would've done better with Breakiing Dawn, it wouldn't have been so bad. I can understand not wanting to kill your characters off, but sometimes you have to make sacrifices to pull in your readers. That's what Rowling did, even though I was peeved at her for killing off Sirius.

Yup, I think Breaking Dawn was the turning point for many readers. I happily suspend my disbelief for a lot of things but I expect coherence and causality.

I really enjoyed the series until Breaking Dawn. That's when it all fell apart for me. I'll still read the series from time to time and see the movies when they come out to see if they are true to the books, but I'm not a die hard fan like I am of Harry Potter. I think if she would've done better with Breakiing Dawn, it wouldn't have been so bad. I can understand not wanting to kill your characters off, but sometimes you have to make sacrifices to pull in your readers. That's what Rowling did, even though I was peeved at her for killing off Sirius.

Yes, I agree. The standoff was a big letdown, even though other readers already warned me about the battle that never happens. Everything up to the honeymoon was great, but the baby thing threw me for a loop. I feel like edward and bella could have had more stories... going to dartmouth etc rather than rushing in this baby storyline. I accepted it but I agree that the imprinting was just way over the top :lol: The worst though was the climax. I think you can have an intellectual, nonviolent climax but I agree that it has to make sense. I just read another series- city of glass- and the climax ended up being a battle of wits where the protagonist outsmarts the villain- and it was an extremely satisfying finale. ( I highly recommend this trilogy actually for all hp fans).

It made no sense for the volturi to just leave like that- especially after chapters of buildup. I can't imagine the volturi leaving the cullen clan alone either. SM said she didn't want any of the cullens to die and if there was a battle than it would make no sense if they all survived. Having no battle at all, though is what made no sense imho.

There was no fighting because there's no fighting without losses. And after reading the books and especially Breaking Dawn, I felt that Meyer doesn't like a sad ending. No one does, really. But a happy ending could be mixed with some bitterness to make the story more realistic and even easier to imagine (for instance, in HP, Harry defeats Voldemort in the end which was a great thing. Yet there was the sad memory of the people he'd lost in the battle disturbing the happiness of the victory). I also noticed Meyer's tendency to bring a happy ending on the expense of the story's quality and reality, in many points of the book. Jacob's imprinting thing is a good example. As is the disappointing ending of the series. And how Renesme was going to live normally, etc, etc..



:rotfl: I experienced the same feeling. Actually, while reading I was rather hoping that Edward or Rosalie would lose patience and control and 'rip his throat out'. I always wanted a Vampire/Werewolf fight.

Yes, I think that if Meyer had had even a little bit of loss, it would have totally made the book WAY better than it actually was. I'm Team Edward, so if he had died, I would have been a little bit sad, but a bit happy too, because it would have made for a very interesting storyline.

:rotfl: I was so hoping that Rosalie and Jacob would have a showdown. That would have been hysterical to read!

I think stephanie just didn't want any of the cullens to die. I actually think she could have pulled that off even with a battle. They could have killed off one of the other vampire recruits that were important like garrett, but not one of the cullens. That is pretty much what JKR did. She let the trio survive but killed off other characters to make the story more believable.

I think stephanie just didn't want any of the cullens to die. I actually think she could have pulled that off even with a battle. They could have killed off one of the other vampire recruits that were important like garrett, but not one of the cullens. That is pretty much what JKR did. She let the trio survive but killed off other characters to make the story more believable.

True. I think that if any were to die, it should have been Tanya. I don't know why, she just got on my nerves throughout the book. But not Garret or the Romanian twins. They were too awesome! :D

I think one Cullen should have died. Maybe Esme. Or Emmett.

I think Emmett could have died without anyone getting too upset. I think the ones people would have been upset about would be, Edward, Jacob, Alice, and Jasper. Probaley Bella too, but seriously, Stephenie would never kill off her main character.

upset? I would be totally happy if she killed off edward or bella :D

It's definitely a bad thing for an author to be too connected with their characters. You tend to not want any of them to die, and it sometimes ruins a book. I like Breaking Dawn. Sure, the end is a little bad, but the rest of the book is pretty cool.

But yeah, Stephanie was too hooked to her characters and she didn't want any of them to die.

I think she was connected to her charaters like that. Definately agree. It would have been heart breaking to see any of them die. The first time I read breaking dawn i was a bit disappointed but actually, after reading it again, I do like it. New moon will always be my favourite though. I think it has the most emotion from one end ofthe scale to the other. Devistation and pure happiness.

If anyone was to die, I think it should've been an important character. And not someone like Tanya's sister whatever her name was. Even Tanya's death wouldn't have made a great difference. A member of the Cullen family's death would've added a realistic effect to the end of the book.
The way the book had ended reminds me so much of childish fairy tales, honestly. :lol:.

Jo kills off her characters all the time though. No one has accused her of not loving them enough.

I think every author is attached to his or her characters. There wouldn't be any good fiction if that wasn't the case. But the difference between good authors and bad authors is that the latter sacrifice the plot for the sake of self-indulgence. In my view, this is what happened in Breaking Dawn. The book would have profited from any decent conflict and drama, no matter what.

The problem about Irina is that Bella doesn't really know her, as well as say, Alice, Jasper and the rest. Irina's just introduced in the fourth book, and then she dies in the fourth book as well. No wonder her death and betrayal had little or no impact on us. It'll be better if the traitor was someone who was really, really close to Bella, maybe Rosalie, or Alice or something. But I think Steph doesn't want her character's hands dirtied in cold blood.

Well, that's a good point. Irina being the only real tragic loss probably didn't have much of an impact on many characters (except for Tanya and Kate). The fact remained, how difficult would it be to kill of somebody major? Alice and Rose? :hmm: It would be a major character contradiction if either of them committed themselves to the betrayal. Rosalie is in love with Renesmee, why would she suddenly want her dead? As for Alice, she is devoted and loyal to Edward and madly acquainted with Bella. I guess it could be set up to be an act except...........Edward's a mind reader.

Irina was not only perfect to betray but also logical. She was in greif following the death of her mate and blamed the werewolf's for causing it. Irina was one with motivation and reason to dob the Cullens into the Volturi. In her disorientated mind, the idea would have made sense.

While I too would have loved to have seen more drama in Breaking Dawn, I think there has got to be another way og executing it. In my mind, the Volturi are not cowards and don't just go away. There is a fight and it is relatively even. Bella's mental shield is a large bonus. Eventually, it is the thing to turn the tables and the Cullens, friends and werewolves (shape shifters) find success. The remaining members of the Volturi flee in absolute terror. :lol: And shame.

I just finished breaking dawn a friend lent it to me... And I must say the ending was good... Altough those that finished it will agree...

Danger spoiler and dangerous thoughts ahead!
No big battle towards the end... If i had my choice... I see it much like the battle for hogwarts, both sides start to tare into each other but suddenly stopped by Carlyle and Aro Allice and Jasper and the rest of the amzon tribes arrived... It would have been quite a sight 17 wolves attacking voltrui soldiers ripping them apart, Then Jane and Bella going at it much like... I shudder to say... like Molly and Bellatrix Lestrange! I could see Bella utter the words... "Not my Daughter you.... Get the idea!" And seeing Aro's face in dispair all his scheming all reduced to dust then finally taken out by Edward...

Stupidest books of all time. The Host was much, much better.

Please word your critiques constructive, guys. Thanks!

What bothers me a LOT more than the actual books themselves is how superficial people obviously are. I still remember before New Moon came out, basically no one was on "Team Jacob" because all people knew about him was from the books and Bella never really described him as hot or handsome anything. But now that we have Taylor Lautner, the Team Jacob and Team Edward thing actually exists.

What suprises me more, is how people react to Twilight. Either we have people love it madly, squee over Edward and Jacob, buy everything from Twilight t-shirts to shoelaces, etc. Or we have people hate it passionately and literally turn green at the mention of it. :lol.

I'm really wondering about the reason behind this.:shrug:.

I hope to not get too far off-topic with that, but I believe the reaction of the fans create the reaction of those who dislike all of it and vice versa. Reminds me a bit on a certain potions teacher, who probably never had gotten so much circled by actual fights among fans if he weren't discussed as often and as intensively.

I only read the first two books and didn't enjoy it so I was tempted to join the haters. Just after all the books just kept containing too less to talk about for my taste, so in the end I joined neither 'group'. But I assume many do or get put into one of them, even if they only slightly agree/disagree in first instance but never wanted to be part of 'the haters' or 'the fans'.

The series definitely polarises. :agree: There are really hardly any people around who are indifferent after reading it.

Voldemorts8thHorcrux, I remember differently. There was always Team Jacob, in my view. There were pretty intense shipping wars before the first film came out and a lot of fans were hoping for Bella to change her mind and choose Jacob in Breaking Dawn.

What bothers me a LOT more than the actual books themselves is how superficial people obviously are. I still remember before New Moon came out, basically no one was on "Team Jacob" because all people knew about him was from the books and Bella never really described him as hot or handsome anything. But now that we have Taylor Lautner, the Team Jacob and Team Edward thing actually exists.

No, there's always been Team Jake and Team Edward. Just that Team Jacob got a lot more popular when Taylor Lautner got his abs. Even amongst grandmothers! No offense, but if my grandmother-if she was alive-were to go gaga over either of them, I would probably make excuses not to go for family reunions.

I think Emmett could have died without anyone getting too upset. I think the ones people would have been upset about would be, Edward, Jacob, Alice, and Jasper. Probaley Bella too, but seriously, Stephenie would never kill off her main character.

There are actually alot more Emmett fans out there than you would expect. I really enjoy any dialogue coming from Emmett. It's true he doesn't truly do anything too important for the series, but he obviously helps protectin Bella and he's always the happy cheer-up.

I think it's indeed an impossibility to kill off a Cullen. We have gotten to know each one of their stories, and we've grown to love all of them. I think it would have been to kill off a werewolf, one from the pack, because we don't have a separate bond with each one of them, and we don't know them as well.

No, there's always been Team Jake and Team Edward. Just that Team Jacob got a lot more popular when Taylor Lautner got his abs. Even amongst grandmothers! No offense, but if my grandmother-if she was alive-were to go gaga over either of them, I would probably make excuses not to go for family reunions.

To an extent I guess but in my view, the overwhelming majority seemed to be Team Eddy, especially after the first movie came out. I rarely saw anyone Team Jacob until now.

Yeah, true I guess. Team Edward was more popular because "in the books" he's described as a gentleman, vegetarian vampire, and an angel or whatever. (I still can't believe RSPCA isn't after him. Oh, yeah, because he isn't real.)

So now Twilight is being made into a Graphic Novel? Hmm, I might actually have to read this, just to get an illustrator's interpretations on the characters looks.

Though it brings another thought to mind. Do you think they'll look like the movie actors or something different?

I think Emmett could have died without anyone getting too upset. I think the ones people would have been upset about would be, Edward, Jacob, Alice, and Jasper. Probaley Bella too.
IMO, The point of killing off characters is making the story closer to reality as much as possible. And not pleasing or upsetting fans and readers. Killing Emmett would've been quite the opposite of realistic, imo. Since he was the strongest. IIRC, his 'gift' was strength. I still think she should've killed someone important. Maybe Alice. After all Alice was the smallest. (not that being small generally implies weakness :p )

but seriously, Stephenie would never kill off her main character.

True. And not just in Twilight. :whistle:.

I was thinking about this just now...

Is it possible Renesmee could read minds like her father? Perhaps the ability came out sometime in the future?

Or did this already happen and I completely forgot? I just remember her communicating through touch...

I don't know. I just have this feeling she could have a blend of powers like her parents...

ETA: I asked the same question on the Twilight boards on IMDB, and got this answer.

No, she "flipped" the powers of both her parents: Edward has access to everyone's thoughts, and she can share her thoughts with everyone. Bella can block every mental power, but nobody can block Nessie.


This is probably the right answer. It makes sense. I don't know. Would have been cool if she had the blend of powers from her parents.

While I read the books I always liked the Jacob character, he seemed like the realest character when it came to feelings and emotions to me. Also him and the shape shifters in general made the series fun.

I didn't even know it was team anything until I finished the series. I only read the books because I hated the movie so much.

I guess I'm a fan but Harry Potter will always come first. Let's just say whenever I go to abookstore or Hot Topic HP will be getting my money first. Twilight is my last obsession, I can name many other things I would get ahead of Twilight.

Case in point the bookstore I frequent is going out of business, guess what franchise still had a lot of merchandise there and who merchandise was all gone(the good stuff)?

I just found the Bella/Edward annoying especially Bella.