The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader

I was reading about this new movie ready for 2010.
I'm looking forward in watching it, as I already read the book and shall be able to find the differences in both.:lol:

If you've heard about it, what do you think?

If this movie is anything like prince caspian i think itll be a good movie. I unfortunately started reading dawn treader but didnt get very far, as i had been reading the other books before it all right in a row, and if i read too much of the same author in a row it can get boring. So im not entire sure the premise of this story, but i imagine itll have a good plot like the others. I guess ill have to read it before next year :)

Not heard about it before, but I will be looking forward to it!

Okay, the full movie synopsis on the imdb page is very true to the book.

Are they keeping it this close to the book, or was the imdb synopsis written from the book rather than the movie script?

I'm looking forward to it too.
I liked both narnia films thus far, and after disney dropped it I was worried we'd never get to see VDT onscreen.

As for the script, I don't know how faithful it is going to be to the book. I know with caspian they did take a lot of creative liberties. I believe they start filming in july in australia.

Okay, the full movie synopsis on the imdb page is very true to the book.

Are they keeping it this close to the book, or was the imdb synopsis written from the book rather than the movie script?

with it being early in the production process im guessing someone wrote that description based on the book not the movie script.

:no: Too long of a wait. I really want a new Narnia movie. Bright side is, we'll probably get this and the new Batman movie, along with a Twilight movie and a Harry Potter movie, so... lots and lots of movies in 2010 that'll be awesome!

It's nice they are in fact going to do the movie after all. :) I can wait though - there are lots of other great movies right now that I'd like to see.

I have to say that this was one of my favorite Narnia books, other then Prince Caspian, I hope they do not do what they did with Caspian:grumble: They just had to turn it into a love story!:td: Other then that I remember liking it better then the first movie...:)

So I hope they do good with this one, I lost hope for these movies though, just like hp ones:whistle:

(I will still see it though..and HBP)..

I'm pretty happy that Narnia was picked up by someone else. I'm looking forward to Dawn Treader.

I always liked the book (most of it is happening on the sea, how could I not love it? :D), and I hope the movie will be great, as the book is. I'm glad the movie is going to happen at all! :agree:

I am really looking forward to this as well. I am just grateful it is getting made at all considering what happened with disney and prince caspian.

I'm looking forward to VDT as well--I've enjoyed both of the Narnia movies so far, and I think Georgie Henley's Lucy and Skandar Keynes' Edmund are very true to the spirit of the book characters. This is also one of my favorite books--of course, anything that gives more time to the portrayal of Reepicheep is a good thing! I love that mouse!

I'm looking forward to VDT as well--I've enjoyed both of the Narnia movies so far, and I think Georgie Henley's Lucy and Skandar Keynes' Edmund are very true to the spirit of the book characters. This is also one of my favorite books--of course, anything that gives more time to the portrayal of Reepicheep is a good thing! I love that mouse!

Yes, I agree with you here. I think the hardest thing about adapting the book is that each chapter is sort of it's own episode- a separate adventure. They are going to have to tie it all in together and make the quest for the 7 lords in the forefront. Also, there's no villain in this book so you don't have that classic good vs evil conflict here like in lww and prince caspian. It's more of a journey of self-discovery for caspian, etc and I just wonder how they are going to market it well considering how poorly caspian did.

I enjoyed the first two a great deal so I am very much looking forward to this new edition. I just wish I didn't have to wait so long but hopefully it is worth the wait.

Looks like filming is under way for VDT.

The shots of the set and filming look great so far!!!

I really am glad we are getting this movie after disney left.

I can't wait to see it. Lucy and Eustace are so cute in these pics.

Here's the link:
http://tools.goldcoast.com.au//photo-gallery/photo_gallery_popup.php?category_id=7495&offset=1

If this movie is anything like prince caspian i think itll be a good movie. I unfortunately started reading dawn treader but didnt get very far, as i had been reading the other books before it all right in a row, and if i read too much of the same author in a row it can get boring. So im not entire sure the premise of this story, but i imagine itll have a good plot like the others. I guess ill have to read it before next year :)

:wow: Prince Caspian, a good movie?! I thought it was fair. The first was much better IMO. Can't wait for the next installment, though. Hope it doesn't overlap with DH.

Looks like they are filming on the dawn treader now.

Wow, the ship looks fantastic. I love all the detail- it's beautiful.

Skandar looks like he's grown quite a bit. Can't wait to see this film.

http://www.narniaweb.com/2009/09/more-dawn-treader-pictures-ben-and-skandar-sword-fight/

I loved both of the Narnia films so far and I'm looking forward to this one. I wish it would come out sooner, but I can wait. I am just glad they are going through with it after all. Once I heard Disney dropped out, I thought for sure it would never get done...

I thought the first two Narnia films were just okay--nothing I hadn't seen before. Dawn Treader is my favorite book of the series, so I will see this movie but I won't expect much. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

I enjoyed the first two films very much and am looking forward to this one even though Dawn Treader might possibly be the book I like least out of the seven. I'll miss the fantastic battle scenes that made the other two so memorable though.

I'll also miss William Moseby and Anna Popplewell, I'm very attached to the characters of both Peter and Susan.

I saw the pictures above, Skandar and Georgie look so grown up!

I heard rumours that this film was cancelled because Disney chose to withdraw from the project...Am I wrong? I liked the first Narnia film, but the second one was disappointing. If they want to keep the series refreshing they should focus more on the characters and the plot and less on the boring and endless battle scenes.

Why Disney drop Narnia? I never read the Narina book's either, so what changes did they make in the film's?

Why Disney drop Narnia? I never read the Narina book's either, so what changes did they make in the film's?

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/12/24/disney-officially-dumps-third-chronicles-of-narnia-movie/

It's been years ago since I read these books and I don't remember much to be honest. What I remember, though, is how childish they were. With Prince Caspian the film makers added lots of action scenes and changed the storyline completely from the short book. I believe there was more going on in the film than in the book.

I just found out that Fox will pick up "The Voyage of the Dawn Treader" which is a much better book than "Prince Caspian" imo. http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE50T0E020090130

I heard rumours that this film was cancelled because Disney chose to withdraw from the project...Am I wrong? I liked the first Narnia film, but the second one was disappointing. If they want to keep the series refreshing they should focus more on the characters and the plot and less on the boring and endless battle scenes.

Yes, I guess hindsight is always 20/20. Disney and co tried to make prince caspian more grown up than in the book to make it more lotr like- aging the character of caspian, focusing on gritty battle scenes, etc. Unfortunately it backfired and prince caspian was a boxoffice disappointment - so much so that disney abandoned the narnia franchise all together after initially planning on doing all 7 like hp.

Luckily, fox picked it up and we will at least be getting votd which is set for release dec 2010. I doubt we will get anymore if the movie does not perform well enough, but at least it didn't just end with prince caspian.

Lucy and Edmund are my favourite characters in both the books and movies, so I'm really excited to know that they're still going to make VOTD, even though it wasn't my favourite Narnia book. I've liked both the movies so far, even though Prince Caspian was a far cry from the original I thought it was an entertaining adaptation. I hope VOTD does well so that they end up making The Silver Chair, my favourite book of the chronicles.

I've loved the first two movies, specially on the way that they made it, making it more mature than the books. I also loved the books when I read them as a kid, but I love the adaptation/changes that they made. So I'm really happy to know that the project was not dropped and looking forward to see The Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

Lucy and Edmund are my favourite characters in both the books and movies, so I'm really excited to know that they're still going to make VOTD, even though it wasn't my favourite Narnia book. I've liked both the movies so far, even though Prince Caspian was a far cry from the original I thought it was an entertaining adaptation. I hope VOTD does well so that they end up making The Silver Chair, my favourite book of the chronicles.


I would love to see the silve chair as well, which is probably one of my favs from the series. However, I am not holding out hope for it because it was already so hard for vdt to get made. It will have to be a huge success (over 200mil) would be my guess for the studio to be happy. PC made 150million and disney still dumped it.

It looks like the first production still have been released for VDT. They look great! It seems like they are going back to the vivid color scheme from the first film. Since the darker take on PC didn't translate well box officewise, I can see why they are probably going for the family friendly angle again with this film

http://www.comingsoon.net/imageGallery/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia__The_Voyage_of_the_Dawn_T reader

The pictures look great! I'm looking forward to this movie.

The book is awesome, it´s my favorite from the 4 I have read from Narnia Chronicles, then it is Prince Caspian.

Prince Caspian was probably my favorite movie of 2008.
I really liked it.

I don´t like the idea of a nw director and Disney not in charge anymore, that´s too bad and it will make the movie different.
But it will be great movie I think so, the book is very magical.

I'm so glad to hear that this film is going ahead. I had heard that Disney wasn't going to continue with any of the movies, which surprised me because I thought the LWW and PC were both great. However, I think Disney is more into merchandising so I'm guessing they couldn't market enough product to go with it.

Anyway, I'm also glad they're producing the films in the publication order instead of the newly re-arranged chronological order.

I'm so glad to hear that this film is going ahead. I had heard that Disney wasn't going to continue with any of the movies, which surprised me because I thought the LWW and PC were both great. However, I think Disney is more into merchandising so I'm guessing they couldn't market enough product to go with it.

Anyway, I'm also glad they're producing the films in the publication order instead of the newly re-arranged chronological order.

Yes, same here. It would have been nice if disney continued with it, but am relieved that fox picked up the series so this movie would at least get made. I know it may be too much to hope for, but I hope the movie does well enough so the rest of the books get made as was originally planned.

I'd be most curious to see if the entire franchise continues to do well. Has there ever been a complete telling of the Narnia stories by the same group of people? Has the Last Battle ever even been made into a film not to mention The Horse and His Boy (it'd be cool if they got that far using the original four characters, and perhaps even going back and replacing their counterparts in the Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe) or The Magician's Nephew.

I haven't really liked the films, but I also don't care for the stories at all. I do love how they have adapted the stories for screen, though, in this latest retelling. Despite a few bumps along the way, I think they've been doing a good job and the films have at least been entertaining to watch. It's silly, I know, but I kind of hope they make it all the way through the series. XD

Wow, I knew about Disney dropping the movie a year ago, and it took some of you that long to find out?

Sorry, I just needed to get that out.

Anyway, BBC did all the Narnia stories for TV

And it makes sense for Fox to pick it up. Whereas Disney had a few hits with Walden Media, pretty much all the WM movies for Fox are both unprofitable AND forgettable. I'm just happy Narnia's moving forward

Wow, I knew about Disney dropping the movie a year ago, and it took some of you that long to find out?

Sorry, I just needed to get that out.

Anyway, BBC did all the Narnia stories for TV

And it makes sense for Fox to pick it up. Whereas Disney had a few hits with Walden Media, pretty much all the WM movies for Fox are both unprofitable AND forgettable. I'm just happy Narnia's moving forward

Did the BBC make it all the way to the last battle? I thought they stopped at VDT.

There's a trailer for VODT here (http://catholicmediareview.blogspot.com/2010/06/chronicles-of-narnia-voyage-of-dawn.html)

I just saw it too. It looks okay. The CGI needs some work- looks almost like a cartoon. I can see they changed direction in terms of the marketing which I can understand considering what happened with prince caspian. They seem to be trying to recall the first rather than the second film. I hope it works and it does well since I would love to see the other books get made.

That actually looked pretty good. I was not happy with Prince Caspian. This looks more fun.

In fairness, my problem with Caspian may have been a problem with the filmmakers' decision to make the movies in the order the books were written... and so you have the two movies that are going to be most like each other coming straight in succession. But personally, I think they could have broken it up with The Horse and His Boy (which comes chronologically before Prince Caspian).

Anyway, that trailer made me look forward to seeing the movie.

Judging by the trailer, this installment looks more family-friendly than Prince Caspian and seems to focus more on the adventurous side of Narnia and less on the battle scenes. :tu:

The CGI looks finished in some parts and unfinished in others (eg. the bullock creature). The CGI of Aslan in the prior films didn't impressive me much, but perhaps they have improved him this time.

I don't recall the White Witch being in the book, but I may be wrong as I have forgotten so much from it. However, I don't mind changes that give Tilda Swinton some screen time.

I don't recall the White Witch being in the book, but I may be wrong as I have forgotten so much from it. However, I don't mind changes that give Tilda Swinton some screen time. This is a quote from Perry Moore (executive producer for the Narnia films) on this matter:

She — and her evil — weave seamlessly into The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. She appears right where you think she would when you read the book — in a surprising way you could never guess that is at the same time true to the core of the book

according to this Simon Pegg is replacing Bill Nighy as Reepicheep:http://www.narniaweb.com/2010/06/simon-pegg-replaces-bill-nighy-as-the-voice-of-reepicheep/

Judging by the trailer, this installment looks more family-friendly than Prince Caspian and seems to focus more on the adventurous side of Narnia and less on the battle scenes. The CGI looks finished in some parts and unfinished in others (eg. the bullock creature). The CGI of Aslan in the prior films didn't impressive me much, but perhaps they have improved him this time. I don't recall the White Witch being in the book, but I may be wrong as I have forgotten so much from it. However, I don't mind changes that give Tilda Swinton some screen time. This book is more of a series of adventures than the other ones were, so the movie is probably reflecting it. I expect that they'll "epic up" the plot a bit though. And if I recall correctly, the witch is only in two books - The Magician's Nephew and the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
In fairness, my problem with Caspian may have been a problem with the filmmakers' decision to make the movies in the order the books were written... and so you have the two movies that are going to be most like each other coming straight in succession. But personally, I think they could have broken it up with The Horse and His Boy (which comes chronologically before Prince Caspian).Doing the Horse and his Boy would have been difficult due to the ages of the actors. They are supposed to be adults in The Horse and his Boy, and still children/teenagers in Dawn Treader.

I saw the trailer online the other day and I am excited for this one. I loved Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe, as well as Prince Caspian. I do not remember all of what occurred in the trailer being in the books...for example, I do not recall Susan and Peter being there at any point in the books. I thought Aslan said they would not return to Narnia...but all the same I am excited.

for example, I do not recall Susan and Peter being there at any point in the books. I thought Aslan said they would not return to Narnia.Yeah, I don't think they were in the book at all, either. They most definitely did not go into Narnia in the book. :shrug:

Wow...I can't wait for Narnia. They've shown the trailers on TV now. I haven't read any of the books (except for the first and the last one) but I have watched the first two Narnia films, and I really enjoyed them. The trailer looks awesome.

I've read all the books a few years ago, so I don't remember all the details. At least I won't complain that 'it didn't happen in the book' when I go see the film. I do remember however that Susan and Peter didn't enter Narnia, so I hope there's a good reason why they're there :grumble:

I'm very excited about it, it was one of my favourite books from the series and judging from the trailer, it looks like they've done a pretty good job.

A New trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjj_sGlpC9U&feature=player_embedded

I think the Dawn Treader will be especially special, more than the first two films. The CGI will be much more updated and just plain AWESOMER!! :D

I am sure they have ruined this one as well as Prince Caspian:grumble:
Prince Caspian was my favorite book and they had to turn it into a irritating love story:rolleyes:

And the first one was two shiny for my taste(I mean that after the big "war" part they weren't dirty and there armor was all shiny still, I understand that they can't stick blood all over them, but they could make them dirty looking).

Seeing the trailer, it seems like they're going to make the adventures more adventurous than they are in the book. The Dark Island is going to be super creepy for sure. I think they will expand upon some islands more and cut out other ones from the book.

It will be interesting to see how they end it - the book sort of has an anti-climactic ending - but the movie will probably fancy it up a bit.

In the trailer when they showed Peter and Susan, my daughter yelled out (we were in the movie theater) "but they're not even in the book! I just know they're going to make a lot of changes."

^Yeah I saw that they apparently added Susan and Peter to the new movie which I hate because it's unfaithful to the books. But movie makers always change stuff around so hopefully it will benefit the movie than harm it.
Glad, Prince Caspian is back. I loved seeing Ben Barnes in the first one. He's a good actor. I hope he's just as fantastic in this one.

The biggest issue is, will they be able to do what they so clearly failed to do with Prince Caspian: inform the general public that this is a sequel to a film that they really enjoyed? "Narnia" simply does not have name recognition the way that other franchises have ("James Bond"; "Harry Potter"; "Lord of the Rings") and although most people are familiar with "Lion, Witch and Wardrobe," most people have no idea that there are other books in the same series.

I suspect that Disney concluded that this simply was not possible. It will be interesting to see if they succeed, and if (after 5 years) there is enough of a core audience from Lion to have any box office success.

^Yeah I saw that they apparently added Susan and Peter to the new movie which I hate because it's unfaithful to the books. But movie makers always change stuff around so hopefully it will benefit the movie than harm it.
Glad, Prince Caspian is back. I loved seeing Ben Barnes in the first one. He's a good actor. I hope he's just as fantastic in this one.

Perhaps Peter and Susan are only in it at the start before Lucy and Edmund go to stay with Cousin Eustace. That's how the BBC production did it. They were saying goodbye because they were not going to their Aunt's place.

The biggest issue is, will they be able to do what they so clearly failed to do with Prince Caspian: inform the general public that this is a sequel to a film that they really enjoyed? "Narnia" simply does not have name recognition the way that other franchises have ("James Bond"; "Harry Potter"; "Lord of the Rings") and although most people are familiar with "Lion, Witch and Wardrobe," most people have no idea that there are other books in the same series.

I suspect that Disney concluded that this simply was not possible. It will be interesting to see if they succeed, and if (after 5 years) there is enough of a core audience from Lion to have any box office success.Well, if Disney can't do it, I don't know who can. But then again, it might be more that the films could be successful - just not the huge blockbusters that Disney thought they were.

I think Disney thought Narnia would be the next HP, and it's not and never will be no matter how good Narnia is. So when it didn't live up to the merchandising they seemed to abandon the whole franchise. I remember going into the Disney store in NYC a few years ago and they had a whole section devoted to Narnia. Merchandise that didn't make sense. I think they failed to realize that unlike HP where people want to BE in that world, in Narnia, they just enjoy reading about it. But that's just my take on it.

I think they failed to realize that unlike HP where people want to BE in that world, in Narnia, they just enjoy reading about it. But that's just my take on it.Keep in mind that the vast majority of viewers for both franchises do not read the books. After all, lots of movies sell 10's of millions of tickets without there ever being a book to read! (Also keep in mind that the majority of readers for these and other books are just readers: they are not "fans" like we are.)

This gets back to why people buy tickets to "Franchise Films." People did not buy tickets for "Half-Blood Prince" or "Casino Royale" or "Return of the King" etc.: they bought tickets for the (then) new Harry Potter, James Bond, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Batman, Shrek, Pirates of the Caribbean, etc., film. However, they were not going to buy tickets for the next "Chronicles of Narnia" film because a lot of the people who saw "Lion, Witch and Wardrobe" simply did not associate the franchise name with the film that they saw. Sure, the book-readers did: but they were only a small portion of the audience in the first place.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of viewers for both franchises do not read the books. After all, lots of movies sell 10's of millions of tickets without there ever being a book to read! (Also keep in mind that the majority of readers for these and other books are just readers: they are not "fans" like we are.)

This gets back to why people buy tickets to "Franchise Films." People did not buy tickets for "Half-Blood Prince" or "Casino Royale" or "Return of the King" etc.: they bought tickets for the (then) new Harry Potter, James Bond, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Batman, Shrek, Pirates of the Caribbean, etc., film. However, they were not going to buy tickets for the next "Chronicles of Narnia" film because a lot of the people who saw "Lion, Witch and Wardrobe" simply did not associate the franchise name with the film that they saw. Sure, the book-readers did: but they were only a small portion of the audience in the first place.

Yes, I remember discussing this with you Wimsey on the boards when we were trying to figure out what happened to cause Prince Caspian to fail so badly in the box office that the whole franchise was dropped by Disney. I have a feeling this film won't do that well. It had no presence at all at comic-con. Then again, prince caspian did and it still did poorly so maybe the studio didn't think it was worthwhile. Still I have seen no advance buzz for this movie at all. It didn't even get one picture in the entertainment weekly preview (DH got the cover of course.)

Well, at least we get this book on film. I so wish they could have done the whole series.

I can not wait for this movie!
I'm re-reading the book, because I read all the books a month after the Lion,the Witch and the Wardrobe came out, and it seems like the movie is going to be a lot like the book. Which makes me really happy (:

Has anyone seen this yet?
It came out here last Thursday but due to work and commitments at the weekend, I have been unable to get there, yet.

Dawntreader opened with a pretty dull thud on Friday, netting only $8.2M. When you take into account the 3D, then The Tourist ($6M) probably sold more tickets. That points to a $25M weekend, which is pretty disastrous.

This corroborates the idea that the Narnia brand name simply carries no appeal/weight. Fox really tried hard to make people know that this was a sequel to Lion, Witch & Wardrobe, but it just does not seem to have sunk with the public. (Of course, the 5 years between films didn't help!)


So, this probably puts the final stake into the Narnia franchise.

Hmmm, this film was a little disappointing. I enjoyed it, but the effects felt superficial (though I understand they had their effects budget cut quite a bit) and there was a lot of corny dialogue. The climax was pretty good, though. The last bit with Aslan being an allegory for God felt a little too heavy-handed, though, and kind of sucked some of the emotion out of the scene for those who already knew Aslan was supposed to be the God figure.

It's been so long since the last movie that I felt like a creeper thinking the kid playing Edmund was attractive thinking the actor was only like 16, so then I looked it up and turns out he's 19. That made me feel better about myself but worse about the franchise. That much time between films is the type of thing that kills a franchise, and judging by the Friday box office results that's exactly what has happened. It's really a shame, because I really love the first movie, really like the second movie, and really enjoyed this third movie despite it's drawbacks.

The kid playing Eustace was brilliant. He was so suitably annoying for the first half of the movie that I kind of wanted to punch him in the face, and he made the behavioral turnaround really believable.

That much time between films is the type of thing that kills a franchise, and judging by the Friday box office results that's exactly what has happened. It's really a shame, because I really love the first movie, really like the second movie, and really enjoyed this third movie despite it's drawbacks.Other franchises have had breaks just as long and shown no ill-effects. The audience already had dropped incredibly for Caspian. There were several ideas as to why that was, but the one that seems most likely is that "Chronicles of Narnia" is simply not a recognizable brand name the way that "Harry Potter," "Star Wars," James Bond," "Lord of the Rings," etc. are. It really might be as simple as audiences remembering familiar words: and "Chronicle" is not a familiar word (at least to most Yanks, especially of the sort who would like this series) and "Narnia" isn't a word at all.

Also the fact that while the books are considered classics...they're just not as relevant as some of the other contemporary book to movie adaptions. Harry Potter and Twilight are very recent and the Lord of the Rings always had a very active fanbase (in addition to the fact that those movies were extremely well made and well received by critics.

It's hard to explain, I think, but the Chronicles of Narnia aren't as relevant in pop culture as they used to be. I feel like I'm failing horribly at trying to say what I'm thinking here...but it's like they've been overshadowed by more modern franchises. I feel like all that combined with what you said about the name not being very recognizable, the second movie being utterly forgettable (I actually really like the second film but I cannot for the life of me remember anything about the plot aside from a new Prince Caspian character who had a thing for Susan) and already declining from the first movie, the fact that this new film is getting pretty tepid reviews, and the long break between films is just kind of a killer.

All the factors added up to all but guarantee an underwhelming box office. And the estimates all said it would underwhelm, but the Friday results were well below the estimates. The film got an A- from Cinemascore, though. I'm not sure how much that will help it, but maybe with kids out of school for the holidays the box office could end up not being quite such a massive failure. Even with good holdovers, though, the chances of the studio going ahead with a next film are all but nil.

It's hard to explain, I think, but the Chronicles of Narnia aren't as relevant in pop culture as they used to be. I feel like I'm failing horribly at trying to say what I'm thinking here...but it's like they've been overshadowed by more modern franchises. Actually, I have a rather simple explanation for it: Narnia is both very Christian and very English. John Lennon was correct 45 years ago, and he's even more correct now: Christianity is pretty much dead in England. Moreover, Lewis' very Calvinistic christianity, although popular among "nonconformists" in the UK and the puritans who settled the northern part of (what is now) the US is not common in the US: the "Bible Belt" Christians tend to be Baptist, and Christianity actually is not much more common in New England than it is in Old England!

Also, I think that the simple fact is that although people are aware of the HP series, far fewer people are aware of the Narnia series. It always strikes me as ridiculous when people suggest than anythign other than Lion is the most popular book in the series: yes, Lewis fans might prefer other books, but although most people are familiar with Lion, most people do not know that it had any sequels.

Oh, I had forgotten how the religious factor might play into it. I don't know much about Christianity around the world and let alone in England, so that's actually very interesting.

Ironically, perhaps, it was the events in the background of Lion that contributed so much to Christianity's demise in the UK: WWII. However, European (including UK) religiosity took a serious hit after WWI, and was continuing to decline. Lewis was a self-professed atheist or agnostic (I forget which) earlier in life, as were many of his generation: however, I do not know if The Great War contributed to that in Lewis' case. Unlike a lot of his contemporaries, Lewis converted/fell-of-the-wagon (depending on your point of view! :cool:)

Well, the "good" news is that Dawntreader had a smaller 2nd weekend hold than did Prince Caspian, selling over 50% of Weekend 1's tickets compared to Caspian's 41%.



The bad news is that this is a classic example of how percentages are totally misleading: Dawntreader sold fewer tickets in its opening weekend than Caspian did in its second weekend! So, DT's 2nd weekend was half as busy as PC's was.


Incidentally, there was a debate 2 or 3 years ago as to whether PC's poor showing was due to the season (Narnia "needs" winter showings) or the lack of brand-name recognition. I think that this pretty much puts a stake in the "the season was responsible!" hypothesis....

Ironically, perhaps, it was the events in the background of Lion that contributed so much to Christianity's demise in the UK: WWII. However, European (including UK) religiosity took a serious hit after WWI, and was continuing to decline. Lewis was a self-professed atheist or agnostic (I forget which) earlier in life, as were many of his generation: however, I do not know if The Great War contributed to that in Lewis' case. Unlike a lot of his contemporaries, Lewis converted/fell-of-the-wagon (depending on your point of view! :cool:)

Well, the "good" news is that Dawntreader had a smaller 2nd weekend hold than did Prince Caspian, selling over 50% of Weekend 1's tickets compared to Caspian's 41%.



The bad news is that this is a classic example of how percentages are totally misleading: Dawntreader sold fewer tickets in its opening weekend than Caspian did in its second weekend! So, DT's 2nd weekend was half as busy as PC's was.


Incidentally, there was a debate 2 or 3 years ago as to whether PC's poor showing was due to the season (Narnia "needs" winter showings) or the lack of brand-name recognition. I think that this pretty much puts a stake in the "the season was responsible!" hypothesis....


Yes, it's a shame how poorly its debut was. However, it does seem like it is showing some "legs" althought it is not performing nearly as well as its predecessors.

I finally got around to seeing it over Christmas. I was not too impressed with the previews so I didn't rush out to see it like I did the first two. However, I actually really liked it. I was surprised at how emotional the movie ended up being, particularly the end. The actor who played Eustace was fantastic!
I was unexpectedly moved by the climax.



The farewell of Lucy and Edmund was definitely a tearjerker, especially the last line of the film where Eustace narrates " I missed my cousins a great deal, as did all Narnians until the end of time." Everyone in the theatre stayed until the credits were finished as well, since they included drawings from the actual book.

They did make some changes from the book, and I do think the CGI could have been better but considering the budget cuts for this 3rd film I think they did a decent job. Seeing what has happened with this franchise just makes me appreciate what happened with HP that much more. At least we got to see all 7 books made with Potter. I can't imagine what it must have been like to go from the extravagant production of the first 2 narnia films to a more budget conscious movie. They had originally planned on filming this one in Malta and Iceland which woud have been amazing, but ended up filming in Australia and sound stages.

I still think the marketing was an issue with its poor showing. Whereas Disney torpedoed the franchise with its darker portrayal of Caspian and their attempt to lure teen boys at the expense of the family audience, with Fox I felt like there was no marketing at all... no billboards, no tv appearances of the principal actors, no magazine features, etc. I remember when I got my holiday movie preview VDT didn't even make it in (Hp was on the cover of course.). There was also no comic con appearance, no US or NY premiere, etc. I am not surprised it did so poorly in North America. I wonder if Fox just didn't want to spend the money.

Either way, I am sad to see narnia go if this is indeed the last film. This was actually a really good movie. I guess it will take a miracle to have silver chair greenlit.

Yes, it's a shame how poorly its debut was. However, it does seem like it is showing some "legs" althought it is not performing nearly as well as its predecessors. The "legs" here are purely an artifact of looking at proportional sales from week to week. Here are the proportional "holds" of the 3: Film Wknd 3/ Wknd 2
Lion 0.62
Casp 0.56
Dawn 0.87Here are the actual numbers, in estimated millions of tickets sold each weekend: Film Wknd 3/ Wknd 2
Lion 3.1/5.0
Casp 1.8/3.2
Dawn 1.4/1.6So, in truth, Dawntreader is showing the worst legs yet as it is selling fewer actual tickets. Indeed, given that Lion and Caspian already had sold more tickets, there are (theoretically) more available people to be interested in the film, so the Dawntreader's poor performance is even worse than it looks.
I still think the marketing was an issue with its poor showing. Whereas Disney torpedoed the franchise with its darker portrayal of Caspian and their attempt to lure teen boys at the expense of the family audience, with Fox I felt like there was no marketing at all... I still reject this hypothesis for Caspian's failure. I think that a far simpler explanation applies: people didn't know that Lion, Witch and Wardrobe had a sequel, and "Chronicles of Narnia" meant nothing to them. People did not go to see Deathly Hallows or Return of the King or Attack of the Clones: they wen to see Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and Star Wars. Here, people didn't go to see Chronicles of Narnia: they went to see Lion, Witch and Wardrobe.

It occurs to me that Narnia faces another problem besides lack of name recognition. Lion was very popular with people 18 and under, but actually fairly unpopular with people over 18. The people who liked Lion were 2.5 years older when Caspian was released: and at that age, 2.5 years is a lot of time. It is quite possible that the audience who initially liked Lion came, in retrospect, to realize that Lion really was not a good film, either. Moreover, the youngsters of 2010 are not being replaced with the youngsters of 2010.

If we contrast Narnia with two other genre franchises with different histories, we might be seeing the "bad" end member: Harry Potter and Star Wars. Like Narnia, Harry Potter has not replaced the youngsters of 2001 as the years have gone by. Unlike Narnia, Harry Potter has retained the people who were youngsters in 2001. Star Wars managed to keep not just a lot of the youngsters of 30 years ago, but also added youngsters of the 1990's and 2000's.
I wonder if Fox just didn't want to spend the money.As WB has learned (albeit less painfully!) with Harry Potter, no amount of money can rewrite the past. It was not going to be possible at this point to communicate that Dawntreader was part 2 (or 3) of a series that people liked.

The "legs" here are purely an artifact of looking at proportional sales from week to week. Here are the proportional "holds" of the 3: Film Wknd 3/ Wknd 2
Lion 0.62
Casp 0.56
Dawn 0.87Here are the actual numbers, in estimated millions of tickets sold each weekend: Film Wknd 3/ Wknd 2
Lion 3.1/5.0
Casp 1.8/3.2
Dawn 1.4/1.6So, in truth, Dawntreader is showing the worst legs yet as it is selling fewer actual tickets. Indeed, given that Lion and Caspian already had sold more tickets, there are (theoretically) more available people to be interested in the film, so the Dawntreader's poor performance is even worse than it looks.
I still reject this hypothesis for Caspian's failure. I think that a far simpler explanation applies: people didn't know that Lion, Witch and Wardrobe had a sequel, and "Chronicles of Narnia" meant nothing to them. People did not go to see Deathly Hallows or Return of the King or Attack of the Clones: they wen to see Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and Star Wars. Here, people didn't go to see Chronicles of Narnia: they went to see Lion, Witch and Wardrobe.

It occurs to me that Narnia faces another problem besides lack of name recognition. Lion was very popular with people 18 and under, but actually fairly unpopular with people over 18. The people who liked Lion were 2.5 years older when Caspian was released: and at that age, 2.5 years is a lot of time. It is quite possible that the audience who initially liked Lion came, in retrospect, to realize that Lion really was not a good film, either. Moreover, the youngsters of 2010 are not being replaced with the youngsters of 2010.

If we contrast Narnia with two other genre franchises with different histories, we might be seeing the "bad" end member: Harry Potter and Star Wars. Like Narnia, Harry Potter has not replaced the youngsters of 2001 as the years have gone by. Unlike Narnia, Harry Potter has retained the people who were youngsters in 2001. Star Wars managed to keep not just a lot of the youngsters of 30 years ago, but also added youngsters of the 1990's and 2000's.
As WB has learned (albeit less painfully!) with Harry Potter, no amount of money can rewrite the past. It was not going to be possible at this point to communicate that Dawntreader was part 2 (or 3) of a series that people liked.


Yes, you are right. Whereas SW expanded its audience and HP retained it, narnia has clearly lost it. It's not unexpected considering how poorly PC did and the complete lack of marketing on Fox's part.

I think one of the prior posts was right. Perhaps narnia just is not that culturally relevant. The books and films just don't seem to have the broad based contemporary appeal of HP or twilight to modern youth.

Still, maybe with some effort it may barely cross the 100million mark in Nam. It looks like it just dropped off 12% this past weekend, and it actually surpassed yogi bear which came out after VDT. At least some articles actually think there is hope for another narnia film yet.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b217906_fockers_vs_tron_who_dominated_holiday.html

The problem with the "relevance" idea is that it does not explain why Lion was so popular, and yet Caspian was so unanticipated. I agree that Lewis' highly Calvinistic views are not terribly relevant: but that shift happened decades ago, not after 2005!

We need something that explains Lion's success and popularity in 2005, but also Caspians' failure in 2008. (The "Law of Prequel Popularity" explains why Dawntreader is doing so poorly: given Caspians success and popularity, Dawntreader is doing pretty much as expected.)

The problem with the "relevance" idea is that it does not explain why Lion was so popular, and yet Caspian was so unanticipated. I agree that Lewis' highly Calvinistic views are not terribly relevant: but that shift happened decades ago, not after 2005!

We need something that explains Lion's success and popularity in 2005, but also Caspians' failure in 2008. (The "Law of Prequel Popularity" explains why Dawntreader is doing so poorly: given Caspians success and popularity, Dawntreader is doing pretty much as expected.)

I think lion did well because the first book is incredibly popular. The trailers were actually very well done if I recall and seemed to suggest to nonreaders at least that they would be in for a lotr type of movie. My guess is that the casual nonreaders moviegoer perhaps did not really care for lion that much and did not bother with PC. Plus, the marketing was not the best for PC.

As for vdt, at least overseas it seems to be doing comparable business to pc. It is currently at 210mil vs pc's final tally of 278 overseas and it has still yet to open in china and japan. It seems that the foreign markers are doing much better. It is the Nam box office that has really lagged behind pc which I think is due to prequel disappointment like you mentioned and lack of marketing domestically. Still, it has somehow managed to stay in The top 5 and earn another 10mil last weekend for a *** of 87mil in nam and 297mil worldwide. I just wonder what the magic number is for fox to consider green lighting the next book. I really did want to see silver chair get made but I know it is a longshot. It is being heavily debated in the narnia forums but no one seems to k ow how much fox actually spent on marketing and what percent ofthe overseas box office they get to keep.

I think lion did well because the first book is incredibly popular. Well, that is part of my point. The first story is reasonably well known. However, the series is largely unknown.
As for vdt, at least overseas it seems to be doing comparable business to pc. It is currently at 210mil vs pc's final tally of 278 overseas and it has still yet to open in china and japan.That is very much a product of the dollar being worth so much less relative to other currencies compared to what it was in spring 2008.
I just wonder what the magic number is for fox to consider green lighting the next book.It probably will be based solely on the N. American number. Remember, Fox probably is seeing only a portion of the money made overseas, and shareholders often get returns from N. America owing to the way that the corporations shuffle money for tax purposes.

Well, it looks like vdt crossed the 100milion mark. I know that is still much less than Lww or pc, but considering how poor the opening weekend numbers were this is actually better than I expected. Initially people thought it would end up doing eragon numbers (70mil).

Initially people thought it would end up doing eragon numbers (70mil).When you take into account 3D tickets plus regular ticket inflation, DT did do Eragon numbers: in fact, it might have done slightly worse!

I don't think the film isn't doing well because it is unknown. It isn't doing well because it just isn't a good enough film.

Also Voyage of the Dawn Treader is not at all like the book. And regardless of that the pacing and acting and such has major issues.

Potter chugs along just because it is a kids thing and that is just a whole different sort of thing that Narnia is not.

I don't think the film isn't doing well because it is unknown. It isn't doing well because it just isn't a good enough film.Actually, Dawntreader is doing almost exactly as well as it should given the popularity and success of Prince Caspian.
Also Voyage of the Dawn Treader is not at all like the book. And regardless of that the pacing and acting and such has major issues. Audiences do not know this until they see the film. Remember, as a sequel, they are attending solely because they like the prior film(s): reviews and word-of-mouth have little influence on ticket sales for sequels.

As for being like the book, well, again, audiences do not know that until they have seen the film. Moreover, as most of the probably have not read the book, they cannot tell even after they have seen it.
Potter chugs along just because it is a kids thing and that is just a whole different sort of thing that Narnia is not.If anything, then the opposite is true. The Harry Potter audience has gotten older and older as the series has aged, at least in North America. Part of the reason why the audience is slowly dwindling is that the 12-14 year olds from 2000 remain a core audience, but younger kids have not picked up on the series.

Lion was tremendously popular with kids. However, Caspian did not come out for another 2.5 years, and that is a long time for the core audience to retain interest. The fact that Narnia is not anywhere near as well-known a series as Harry Potter probably did not help either: people go to see "Harry Potter," not Half-blood Prince or Deathly Hallows; however, they probably went to see Lion, Witch and Wardrobe, not Chronicles of Narnia.

I kind of rolled my eyes when i saw that there was going to be another Narnia movie but after seeing it I was pleasantly surprised. This is the first movie that I hadn't read the full story before seeing it, so I didn't 100% know what to expect, but hands down Eustace stole the show! I was nice to see Lucy, and Edmund and Caspian again but Eustace was far better than the entire group combined. Also, I think the story of the dawn treader is a bit more intriguing on film than that of prince Caspian.

I'm a little surprised it didn't do better in the box office than it did, but I'm guessing many people had the same reaction I did at start, oh no not another Narnia film!

Also Voyage of the Dawn Treader is not at all like the book.

It's very like the book, except that the film-makers simplified the plot and also made it more cohesive (admittedly in a somewhat simplistic manner). The book is very episodic: the ship goes to that island, and then another, and then another, and lots of things happen. Well, that doesn't work well for a film: a film needs a strong narrative. The film-makers made the plot less episodic and gave it more of an arc.

I loved the ending. :) That was pretty much just like the book. :D

I'm a little surprised it didn't do better in the box office than it did, but I'm guessing many people had the same reaction I did at start, oh no not another Narnia film!That is exactly why you should not have been surprised by the box office! There is a two-edged sword for sequels: because people decide whether to see a sequel based on their feelings/opinions/vibes on the prior film(s), sequel box offices are relatively impervious to reviews and word-of-mouth. This cuts well films like Transformers 2 or Phantom Menace, where millions (upon millions!) of people saw the films because they liked the prior film(s) in the series. This cuts poorly for films like the post-Columbus Harry Potter films, where millions of people skip the films because of they disliked the first couple of movies.

Here, the situation is a little different in that (it seems) the sequels are nowhere near as well-liked as (say) the post-Columbus Harry Potter films AND the first film was (supposedly) more popular than the first couple of HP films.

As I noted above, there are two likely explanations for this. One, "Chronicles of Narnia" is not a recognized brand name: people do not realize that Prince Caspian and Dawn Treader are sequels to a film that they liked in 2005. Two, the audience that really liked Lion in 2005 was very young, and 2.5 years later, they had lost interest in Narnia. I'm not sure how we really could test either idea, as they both predict exactly what we have seen.

It's very like the book, except that the film-makers simplified the plot and also made it more cohesive (admittedly in a somewhat simplistic manner). The book is very episodic: the ship goes to that island, and then another, and then another, and lots of things happen. Well, that doesn't work well for a film: a film needs a strong narrative. The film-makers made the plot less episodic and gave it more of an arc.

I loved the ending. :) That was pretty much just like the book. :D

I just saw this movie again recently on the plane. I thought eustace was great, and the ending was sad but done beautifully. I loved the inclusion of e draings in the book during the end credits as well.

I know the movie did not do well in north America, but worldwide it had now passed the 400mil mark. Supposedly, we will get another narnia film. They are going to do magicians nephew next and opted to skip silver chair which I found disappointing since eustace was great. I guess they feel having the white witch back will be a bigger draw.

I just saw this movie again recently on the plane. I thought eustace was great, and the ending was sad but done beautifully. I loved the inclusion of e draings in the book during the end credits as well.

I know the movie did not do well in north America, but worldwide it had now passed the 400mil mark. Supposedly, we will get another narnia film. They are going to do magicians nephew next and opted to skip silver chair which I found disappointing since eustace was great. I guess they feel having the white witch back will be a bigger draw.

NO! They can't not make "Silver Chair", it's my favourite!:upset:
I mean Eustace and Jill and Puddleglum and the Giants, plus the Green Lady and Prince Rilian!
It would be so cinematic, that journey up through Giant country and the mysterious underground world.
I do want to see The Magician's Nephew but not at the expense of my favourite book!:sigh:

NO! They can't not make "Silver Chair", it's my favourite!:upset:
I mean Eustace and Jill and Puddleglum and the Giants, plus the Green Lady and Prince Rilian!
It would be so cinematic, that journey up through Giant country and the mysterious underground world.
I do want to see The Magician's Nephew but not at the expense of my favourite book!:sigh:

Silver chair was my favorite book too and I couldn't wait to see it onscreen. I was so happy when they said another narnia movie was in the works since I assumed it was going to be silver chair. Plus, eustace was so wonderful in VDT. But apparently, silver chair actually sold the least number of copies among all the books in the series. The producers also felt magicians nephew would be easier to market since it is the prequel to lww, features the white witch and aslan, and tells the story of the creation.

I can understand their rationale, but I still wish silver chair was going to be made instead.

im, actually quite surprised they chose the magicians nephew, i didnt think there was enough material there for a movie. It was probably one of my least favorite of the bunch that ive read. But i did enjoy seeing how narnia came to pass, but i think its a mistake to go that route.

Magician's Nephew was my favorite of the series.

A bit soon though. Still, I didn't think I'd see it made, so I can't complain.

Its now official (http://www.christianpost.com/news/narnia-4-will-be-magicians-nephew-not-silver-chair-49517/) that the series won't die with Voyage Of The Dawn Treader, and that The Magician's Nephew will be the next film

The people ate IGN movies (where I found the above link) seem to think that The Magician's Nephew (being a prequel) will be used as an attempt to reboot the series :huh:

They must really be enamored of their interpretation of Jadis the White Witch; that's all I got to say about that there.

They invented a reason to show her in VotDT, and expanded on the scene where Nikabrik and the hag try to bring her back in PC. Now they can make a whole 'nother movie with her as the central villian.

Well, Tilda provides some gravitas to a lightweight cast, i.e. two unknown child actors (who I presume will be playing Polly and Diggory). :cool: I'm not surprised they want to make use of her! She does make a great Jadis. :D

Well, this is great. :). I'm glad the Narnia films aren't dead yet!

And I too would also love to see The Silver Chair. :D

I'm glad there will be another Narnia movie, I was afraid they wouldn't. I'm not sure whether I'd rather see Silver Chair or Magician's Nephew; either one would be awesome!

But if it's this actess, Tilda, that they really love and want to keep using... it wouldn't take that much effort to just make her over as the Emerald Witch of the underground kingdom. My childhood imagination had her and Jadis looking a lot alike, so I would be perfectly content with the same actress in both roles. As long as she wears green, not white, and maybe they change her hair and eye color.

It has been so long since I read the series (and I never was much of a fan, anyway) that I have no idea what happens in either story. I do remember finding Eustace pretty unlikable.

I am genuinely surprised that they are continuing the series, as it really does not seem to have the general appeal necessary to keep such a series running. However, they also are going to give Percy Jackson a second shot despite how poorly it did. So, clearly the financial standards are not what they were!

Sorry, Whimsey; probably I should wrap spoiler tags 'round anything I say about the stories from the books, then, so as not to spoil the movies for anyone, right? :blush:

It has been so long since I read the series (and I never was much of a fan, anyway) that I have no idea what happens in either story. I do remember finding Eustace pretty unlikable.

I am genuinely surprised that they are continuing the series, as it really does not seem to have the general appeal necessary to keep such a series running. However, they also are going to give Percy Jackson a second shot despite how poorly it did. So, clearly the financial standards are not what they were!

Well, even though vdt had a soft opening it actually had legs and still ended up making 107mil in north America. Internationally, it surpassed PC at 300mil so worldwide it has made 407mil. On the narnia boards some insider said that fox would allegedly consider a sequel if vdt managed to surpass 400mil which it did. It was also the first movie since avatar by fox to pass the 100mil mark.

I was just hoping silver chair would be next since I loved te actor who played eustace. However, supposedly magicians nephew sold a lot more books than silver chair and tilda had said she wanted to do magicians nephew when they interviewed her at the vdt premiere. They plan to market it as a prequel to lww, so I guess from a financial standpoint MN may have a better chance at keeping the franchise alive. I still would have loved to see Ben barnes as caspian again, puddle gum, the giants, the underground kingdom, etc but I guess they have made up their mind.

Well, even though vdt had a soft opening it actually had legs and still ended up making 107mil in north America. Internationally, it surpassed PC at 300mil so worldwide it has made 407mil. On the narnia boards some insider said that fox would allegedly consider a sequel if vdt managed to surpass 400mil which it did. It was also the first movie since avatar by fox to pass the 100mil mark.I had assumed that Fox was standardizing somewhat for ticket costs and the value of the dollar, if only because production costs are scaled to those to some degree. The last Narnia sold about 40% of its tickets in 3D (or so I seem to recall reading), which means that it sold a lot fewer tickets than Prince Caspian did.

Also, the dollar is a lot weaker now than it was in spring 2008, which means that it only caught PC worldwide because of 3D ticket prices plus the devalued dollar. WB is an international company, after all, so its worth (and its shareholders dividends) is tied to how much "absolute" money is generated. (This will shock some Yanks, but that is not the same as $$$$.... :p)

Given that 3D does cost a lot of $$$, and given that some aspects of these big budget films are tied to the global economy rather than just the US $$$, I assumed that this was lights out for Narnia. However, this might actually be shedding light on how much studios are lying about their supposed production costs. It has been a running joke for years (remember the Governator's comment about Titanic at the 1998 Oscars? :cool:); however, knowing that profits are hidden and knowing how much profit is hidden are two very different things!


Still, I'm always glad to see genre franchises continue even if they are not franchises that I watch. It keeps the general studio interest going, after all.

Ben barnes as caspian again Ben Barnes as Caspian is delicious, but the Caspian of SC is a very old man who lost his wife and son decades ago. It would be interesting to see him in old greybeard makeup, though, and see if his acting is up to it.

There's a kid at a church I sometimes attend who looks so much like the Eustace Scrubb of VotD it's scary!

I had assumed that Fox was standardizing somewhat for ticket costs and the value of the dollar, if only because production costs are scaled to those to some degree. The last Narnia sold about 40% of its tickets in 3D (or so I seem to recall reading), which means that it sold a lot fewer tickets than Prince Caspian did.

Also, the dollar is a lot weaker now than it was in spring 2008, which means that it only caught PC worldwide because of 3D ticket prices plus the devalued dollar. WB is an international company, after all, so its worth (and its shareholders dividends) is tied to how much "absolute" money is generated. (This will shock some Yanks, but that is not the same as $$$$.... :p)

Given that 3D does cost a lot of $$$, and given that some aspects of these big budget films are tied to the global economy rather than just the US $$$, I assumed that this was lights out for Narnia. However, this might actually be shedding light on how much studios are lying about their supposed production costs. It has been a running joke for years (remember the Governator's comment about Titanic at the 1998 Oscars? :cool:); however, knowing that profits are hidden and knowing how much profit is hidden are two very different things!
Still, I'm always glad to see genre franchises continue even if they are not franchises that I watch. It keeps the general studio interest going, after all.

I think what also played a role was vdt reduced budget of 155mil compared to pc's budget of 220mil. The fact that vdt did close to pc numbers overall with a smaller budget probably helped the franchise live on.

Ben Barnes as Caspian is delicious, but the Caspian of SC is a very old man who lost his wife and son decades ago. It would be interesting to see him in old greybeard makeup, though, and see if his acting is up to it.

There's a kid at a church I sometimes attend who looks so much like the Eustace Scrubb of VotD it's scary!

Yes, but at the very end if they follow the book we do see caspian young again with aslant after his death, and then he returns with Jill and eustace to their school I would have loved to see that.

Yes, but at the very end if they follow the book we do see caspian young again with aslant after his death, and then he returns with Jill and eustace to their school I would have loved to see that.

That's right; I remember that bit now. Though there's no guarantee that the film industry would keep that ending.

I remember Caspian in Aslan's country, but I'd forgotten he was young again in that scene.