Tonks: Loyal servant of Voldemort?

This thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11995) got me thinking and I truely think that Tonks is a traitor. Here is my evidence, tell me what you think.

1. Voldemort, knowing about the OotP last time, will want a spy there this time. He will have probably gotten them in there soon.

2. It seems to me that when Kingsley Shacklebolt was being recruited, his fellow auror Tonks found out and wanted to join too all of a sudden. That is very suspicious.

3. Being a metamorphmagi means she can't be trusted. If you never know what a person looks like, how can you be able to trust that the person you are talking to is really that person. Changing appearance is also a valuable spying tool.

4. Tonks' ability to change has been emphasized quite a bit in the book. If JKR emphasizes something it is important.

5. Tonks made sure to be well liked by everyone, even the children(especially Harry). People usually act like that when they are trying to establish trust. If she is already in the Order she shouldn't have to be getting close with everyone, right? She takes a great interest in Harry as well. This would make spying easy.

6. Even though Tonks showed up to help at the Department of Mysteries, she wasn't exactly very helpful. She should have been able to help a lot being an auror, Kingsley took on two DEs at once, but she didn't. It seems like she was doing it more for show than to actually help.

7. When the advance guard show up, Tonks mentions the dreams to Harry(when they are alone). She seems very interested in how they work. Shortly afterward Harry starts having the dreams about the Department of Mysteries.

Sounds reasonable...but...


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE TONKS!

If there's someone I don't trust, it's Kingsley. He seemed sort of like a grown-up Cedric, and anyone that noble is either doomed or secretly evil.

Of course, there's no evidence of that, just as there's no real evidence that Tonks is evil. But her interest in Harry and eagerness to help seemed genuine. She reminded me a bit of Neville, in fact. And since he certainly doesn't seem to be going the Peter Pettigrew route, I think we can trust her as well.

Nooooooo!!! I highly doubt Tonks. Hey, she is a beginnning Auror, she probably doesn't know much. She's really young too. But you never know.

Nymphie's just very hip and can relate to the kids better because of her youth, I don't think she's got an evil side to her. Especially since she was the daughter of Andromeda, who turned away from the "dark side." You'd think she'd have taught her daughter not to be evil ;-P

But you make some pretty interesting points...maybe the evil wizard gene is recessive and is hiding within Tonks... :O

She was also taken out of the Black family tree, though. I mean, she could've changed since then, but...

Originally posted by Crayak (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=404135#post404135))
This thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11995) got me thinking and I truely think that Tonks is a traitor. Here is my evidence, tell me what you think.
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1. Voldemort, knowing about the OotP last time, will want a spy there this time. He will have probably gotten them in there soon.

No doubt Voldemort wants a spy in the Order. However, it seems to me that Tonks would be a bad choice. The Fidelius Charm Dumbledore put over 12 Grimmauld Place would prevent her from revealing anything that went on there just like it did Kreacher (wouldn't it?), and that's where she's mainly been involved with the Order so far. In addition, anyone who spends so much time with Moody would be well-advised to be *really* careful if they're considering spying.

I think if there is a spy, and I'm sure there will be, that person's most likely to show up next book. My guess is it will be the new DADA at Hogwarts.


2. It seems to me that when Kingsley Shacklebolt was being recruited, his fellow auror Tonks found out and wanted to join too all of a sudden. That is very suspicious.

Possible--I don't remember from the book if it said how Tonks was recruited--but I don't think so. I would have thought Sirius would have put up her name, or maybe Lupin? It seems to me that anyone in the Order who's new would have been recruited at the same time (namely, over the summer between Harry's 4th and 5th years), and the fact that they're all new together doesn't mean much.


3. Being a metamorphmagi means she can't be trusted. If you never know what a person looks like, how can you be able to trust that the person you are talking to is really that person. Changing appearance is also a valuable spying tool.

Well, Dumbledore and Moody obviously don't think being a metamorphmagus makes her untrustworthy. And who knows better that changing one's appearance makes a great tool than Moody, who spent 10 months locked in his own magical trunk?

Also, if changing appearance meant that one was automatically untrustworthy, Aurors wouldn't exist in the Order. They're trained in Concealment and Disguise. So this argument would have to apply, in some degree, to every Auror in the Order, including Moody himself. You'd need to add Animagi as well, since they can change their appearance--knocking out McGonagall, Sirius (if he was still around). Anyone who can Transfigure themselves would also be out--and that's someone every witch/wizard supposedly learns if they take N.E.W.T.-level Transfiguration (remember Krum's shark-head in GoF). Lupin would be untrustworthy because he can change into a werewolf as well. Being able to change your appearance, IMHO, is not enough for untrustworthiness.


4. Tonks' ability to change has been emphasized quite a bit in the book. If JKR emphasizes something it is important.

I agree wholeheartedly. IMHO, though, it's not important because it makes her a traitor to the order. It means that she'll play a crucial role, but not necessarily a bad one.


5. Tonks made sure to be well liked by everyone, even the children(especially Harry). People usually act like that when they are trying to establish trust. If she is already in the Order she shouldn't have to be getting close with everyone, right? She takes a great interest in Harry as well. This would make spying easy.

I'd think that when you're entering into something like the Order (which, you have to remember, was only re-established about a month before this book opens since the GoF school year ended at the end of June), when you're trusting your life to the people around you, it would pay off big-time to be liked and trusted. For that reason, I don't see this as a sign that she's untrustworthy.


6. Even though Tonks showed up to help at the Department of Mysteries, she wasn't exactly very helpful. She should have been able to help a lot being an auror, Kingsley took on two DEs at once, but she didn't. It seems like she was doing it more for show than to actually help.

Tonks, as she pointed out at the beginning of the books, is only a year out of Auror training. She'd have no reason to say that if she didn't feel that it put her at a disadvantage, and made her less help than Kingsley, who she specifically mentioned as being "higher up" than she was. Since Voldemort's plan to get the prophecy hadn't yet been fully conceived, it's hard to see why she would have said this unless it was the truth.


7. When the advance guard show up, Tonks mentions the dreams to Harry(when they are alone). She seems very interested in how they work. Shortly afterward Harry starts having the dreams about the Department of Mysteries.


A lot happened between the time Tonks mentions the dreams to Harry and the time he starts having his own dreams. For one thing, if he'd been having them before he went to the MoM for his hearing, he would have recognized the hallway as soon as he'd gotten there. And because of the way the dreams came to Harry, with Voldemort getting inside his head, I don't think Tonks was even remotely connected to the dreams. Even Voldemort didn't realize at first that it was happening.

Tonks cant be bad shes so cool! She geats along great with Harry! And probably becuase like someone said its because shes young.and gets along with young people...... she cant be evil And i dontt think she will b!

Percy makes up with his parents. Joins the order and becomes the spy.

As much as I would like to see Percy redeemed, I don't think he has the personality, guts, cunning, or cleverness required to be a spy.

Tonks is portrayed as being to friendly to be a supporter of Voldermort, but that could be a trick to fool us all...

I LOVE TONKS!!! But anything's possible i suppose. I agree that she was VERY interested in the dreams which did seem suspicious, but i think she is good through and through, and will guide harry if he wants to become and Auror. If he lives long enough, he'll hardly need the training though, will he?!?!? lol

Argh! No! Convincing points! I dont want to believe it! Ah!
Cant think of couter auguments!

Ill try...

1. Tonks is a bit too clumsy for a Voldermort helper. Where was she in GoF? Why wasnt she at the re-birth? How comes no one can see through her?
2. I didnt get that impression, but even if she did, like most people se probably found out about it and got interested...
3. I must admit, that is worrying that thought...But...
4. I think it was emphasised as much as necassary. It was simply to introduce a new concept to the readers.
5. Most people in the order would try to be liked. Like most normal people. And her interest in Harry is as much as most peoples - he is, after all, The Boy Who Lived.
6. As animagus1369 said, she wasnt as trianed as the others. Anyway, it might have simply been becuase she wasnt in Harrys eye line.
7. Harry started the dreams about the corridor before he had even heard of Tonks.

Do you have the quote when Harry tells Tonks about the dreams? I couldn't find it. It just seems to me that point 7 is your strongest, I just cannot find where it is at.

I imagine the screening for the position of Auror is pretty stiff, and even more so for the Order of the Phoenix, including, no doubt, a personal interview with Dumbledore, who would also, in most cases, have had the opportunity to observe the candidate from 11 years of age up through Auror training. Since Voldemort had only been reimbodied for a few weeks when OOP starts, it is unlikely that he would have been able both to recruit and place a spy in the Order as yet. So, i think Tonks is clean.

NOO, that would be terrible...I love Tonks.

But you do make some good points, I must say. I will now look at Nympadora with suspicion. Although being removed from the Black family tree is surely a good sign. Also she is technically a "mudblood" not the kind of people Voldemort is fond of having as DE's.

I hope she turns out ok. She is way to cool to be bad.

I have to admit, when I first read that she was a Metamorphmagi, I was suspicious of her. I love Tonks, she reminds me of myself and a lot of my friends. I do hope that she isn't evil or someone else, but her being a Metamorphmagi will become more significant methinks.

And screening for Unspeakables is probably stiffer. And still Rockwood became a Death Eater. That doesn't prove a thing. But neither does what anyone said about Tonks. Let's remember a few things. Tonks was actually the one who fired the first salvo and saved Harry from the initial attack when he was isolated. She fired a Stunner at Lucius that must have been at least partially effective and she started firing curses at the Bellatrix. Yes, Kingsley was fighting two at once, showing himself to be quite good at handling a wand in a duel. BUT--He bit off more than he could chew as we can see from him lurching across Harry's field of vision out of control later in the fight. Also, Tonks sustained serious injury and she made the unlucky choice of challenging Bella Lestrange who, we have little reason to doubt, is the most potent and loyal Death Eater of them all, remaining loyal after his fall and showing considerable talent. She disposed of Kingsley just as easily as she disposed of Tonks and might have injured him a lot more if she hadn't been in a rush to leave, having finally seen Dumbledore. There's even evidence to suggest that she was the one who toppled Moody and separated him from his magical eye. Quite a day's work for one Death Eater. Harry incapacitated three of his own (one in the Brain Room who we don't know) as well as Lucius, Macnair, and even Dolohov twice. That's FOUR Death Eaters and he's not even a member of the Order (yet). Hermione clocked one. Ron and Luna combined to harrass another. Also, Harry fought Bella to what looked like a standstill, forcing her to acknowledge him as a credible threat with his short-lived (but extraordinarily painful) righteous rage Cruciatus Curse. And he effectively expelled Voldemort, hurting him more physically and psychologically than Dumbledore had though Dumbledore turned out to be as impressive as advertised.

All in all, Harry did a hero's work. He doesn't realize it yet, but his going there was necesary to prevent Voldemort from getting his hands on the prophecy. Had he not gone, Voldemort would have shown himself briefly and retrieved it. Then the game would have been up.

And Tonks acquitted herself well. And this junk on Kingsley, I never in my life thought I'd see anyone type anything close to "He's too noble." If any people in this book are "too noble" they are Albus Dumbledore and his protoge Harry Potter (who has exceeded all expectations and hopes for him, reasonable and unreasonable). That's quite an accomplishment, since Dumbledore knows and expects a lot.

Oh, believe me, jordmundt, I think Dumbledore's too noble, too. (Perhaps I should have said "too good to be true"; Harry's got too many other dimensions to him for that to apply.) But I stand by my theory.

Tonks, like someone said, is too clumsy to be a spy. In OotP she was always knocking over stuff, breaking things, and awakening Mrs. Black. If she was a spy I should think she would already be discovered. AS for the dreams thing, well, she's an Auror, she's supposed to be out there chasing DEs, so she has to have as much information as possible, doesn't she?

Originally posted by Rowena Ravenclaw (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=404157#post404157))
If there's someone I don't trust, it's Kingsley. He seemed sort of like a grown-up Cedric, and anyone that noble is either doomed or secretly evil.

Of course, there's no evidence of that, just as there's no real evidence that Tonks is evil. But her interest in Harry and eagerness to help seemed genuine. She reminded me a bit of Neville, in fact. And since he certainly doesn't seem to be going the Peter Pettigrew route, I think we can trust her as well.


Aah! I hope neither Tonks or Kingsley are evil! I think Tonks is the kind of friend everyone needs in the oder right now. Someone funny, light, good-natured. I think her abilities are important, but I can't seense an evil wibe in her anywhere

And the thought of Kingsley being evil. I have a hard time accepting that too. But that could be because I took a fond liking of Kingsley.


If any member of the order is helping Voldemort I think its Mundungus. Mundungus is another one who wants to do the right thing, but his head doesn't always know how to comply. The book has some emphasis on his illegal deals, working with dodgy people, and a lot of people give him a pretty rough time. I think it'd be easy for him to accidently give the wrong information to the wrong person.

Tonks is very young, naive, and clumsy. She tries to help, but winds up making things worse. I really don't think she is evil, but she probaly feels lower in status then everyone else because she is so young.

But what was she doing the night that she stayed up?

Yes, I agree, Tonks is pretty naive, but she is friendly, and obviously likes to entertain people. She is a beginning Auror, and so she certainly doesn't have much experience and is very clumsy. She is too sweet and innocent to work for Voldemort....

Some worryingly good idea's here, and I love both Tonks and Kingsley. I don't see Kingsley as a spy, I mean he would have hinted area's for Sirius to be caught if he was, rather than feeding false clues, even though he was in charge of the whole hunt!

As for Tonks, she's only just Lily's age, 21/22, because it takes 3 years of Auror training. There's no way she could, and she is too clumsey, bless her.

Another thing to add, is that Harry had the dreams before he met her, he was dreaming about a corridoor that made his scar prickle. So that has nothing to do with the fact Tonk's is helping Voldie.

Because she is so young that fight would have probably been the first major fight, I expect she was petrified, and she actually did very well if you keep this in mind, trying to fight Bella. Kingsley shows his power by taking on 2 de's, he wouldn't have done that if he had been a spy.

However, I do admit there will be a spy, because Voldie needs one, after all, Snape is the spy for him!

If we are going to be silly though, we could always accuse Lupin because of his long secret breaks away from the order!

I didn't take as much of a liking to Tonks as a lot of people here seem to have done, but I still don't believe that she is spying for Voldemort. Apart from the fact that she's far too clumsy and friendly to be an apt choice for a spy, I think the fact that she is a metamorphmagi will in some way end up being important in defeating Voldemort (if that does happen, and I think it will, or at least should happen), it's another skill, and some may say bad asset (I can't think of the right word, I don't think it's bad at all) as i'm sure some people would be highly suspicious of her as it sets her apart from most other wizards and makes her different, it would be another way for JK to show people that something that some people would look upon as being bad can actually turn out to be a good thing and helpful. Ok I don't think that really makes sense, because i'm not even sure if anyone would look upon being a metamorphmagi as a bad thing, but considering the amount of prejudice in the world today, it's highly likely that at least some wizards would. Hopefully somebody else knows what I mean.

Like quite a few other people have said, I don't think it will be Dung because it's too obvious, and besides I can't remember who it was, but didn't someone say that he was very loyal to DD because DD had helped him out of a tight spot once? I think it was Sirius, but I might be wrong. Also, I know that he's supposed to be a criminal of sorts, but he seems friendly enough.

I do agree that Voldmort will find a way of getting someone to spy on the Order, however I don't think it will be a current member of the Order, or at least not anyone whose character has been properly displayed to us. (I know a few members of the Advance Guard that rescued Harry from the Dursleys weren't really mentioned again, so it could be one of them.) It's more likely to be a new recruit to the Order, someone young who couldn't have been associated with Voldemort the last time he was powerful, so it's not too obvious. That's just what I think though.

Tonks just can't be a spy simply becos' she is not a pureblood,she is half-muggle.Her father is a Muggle.And well, we all know that Voldermort hates Muggles, doesn't he? I don't think he'd want a clumsy, half-Muggle servant !

Tonks father was muggle born, he was still a Wizard. I made the same mistake :P

OH was he?? But it makes no difference ! still she is not a pure-blood and I don't think Voldermort'd want her ;)

Moreover,she fought for the Order,saved Harry and suffered sirius injuries. That doesn't sound like she's a spy at all !!:rolleyes:

I don't see Tonks as the spy I sure as heck hope not. I liked her character a lot. Tonks just seemed too much like an eager puppy. She was always game for anything and extremely curious about everything as well. I just can't see her being evil. As for her asking questions about the dreams it could have been just simple curiosity on her part.

As for Lupin being the spy and his secret absences, well Dumbledore is sending folks on missions, so it will be hard to pinpoint a spy right now because we don't know all that is going on within the order. Also, every period of the full moon Lupin has to go somewhere without humans around to transform as a werewolf. He can't do it at the headquarters and endanger everyone there.

Just my thoughts,

Raey

A couple of weeks ago I read the post about Tonks possibly being the "loyal servant of Voldemort." As I began reading through OotP the second time, I kept this in mind, and came across something very interesting.

On page 122 of the US version of the book, Harry has just entered the kitchen of 12 Grimmauld when he hears the end of a conversation between Tonks and Lupin:

"Lupin glanced at Harry, then said to Tonks, 'What were you saying about Scrimgeour?"

"Oh... yeah... well, we need to be a bit more careful, he's been asking Kingsley and me funny questions... (a little bit further down) and I'll have to tell Dumbledore I can't do night duty tomorrow, I'm just t-t-too tired," Tonks finished, yawning hugely again.

At first I didn't think anything of this conversation. But then I started thinking about everything we know about Rowling's writing style and Voldemort's game plan in the books.

We know that Voldemort's strategy is to "SPREAD DISCORD AND ENMITY", meaning he will topple his opponents by dividing them against each other. We also know he will want a spy in the Order to do just that. Most people on COS agree that this spy will already have been placed in the Order.

Secondly, It is Rowling's style to include very very minor details that will prove amazingly significant later on. This conversation does not seem important but it could be our biggest clue as to who the traitor is.

Also, I was always suspicious of Tonks' clumsiness. A lot of people posting have said that this means she could NOT be a spy... but I think that clumsiness makes her even more likely. No one has raised the possibility of whether Tonks might be faking clumsiness to cause problems for the Order... which she has on many occasions.

Please let me know what you think... Of course I might be completely wrong on this, but maybe not...

By the way, that was my first post! I had problems activating my account and so this has been swimming around in my mind for weeks. Glad to be with you all!

Hi Aberforth, Welcome to COS.

I think I'm forgetting something or missing something. How does this point to Tonks being a Voldemort Spy?

You said:"Lupin glanced at Harry, then said to Tonks, 'What were you saying about Scrimgeour?"

"Oh... yeah... well, we need to be a bit more careful, he's been asking Kingsley and me funny questions... (a little bit further down) and I'll have to tell Dumbledore I can't do night duty tomorrow, I'm just t-t-too tired," Tonks finished, yawning hugely again.

I have to disgree. I don't think there are any spies in the OotP because I really think Dumbledore would know. Also, remember her mother was Sirius's favorite cousin which suggests that her mother was decent and her mother married a Muggle, something very un-Black like. I think Tonks is on the level. Not everything JKR write is a twist...

I don't see Tonks being on the side of Lord V. For one thing, she's dead clumsy, and I don't see anyone clumsy lasting long in his service. Two, she was fighting against the DE's at the D.O.M., and what better place to show her true colors? For another thing, that angle was already done with Crouch Jr. I don't see it happening again, as JKR likes to surprise her readers. :)

Her mother married a muggle born (still very un Black like, but) Ted Tonks was a wizard. as for Tonks being a spy, I think Aberforths points are valid. But I just cant see it being Tonks. As for Dumbledore knowing, he didn't know about Peter (correct?) Peter was a member of the Order, and turned out to be a spy. I Just can't agree, even though some very valid points were raised. I Like Tonks too much to point the spy finger at her, sorry. Tho another point that was addressed, Tonks faking being clumsy. No one would have suspected Peter Pettigrew to be the spy, but he was. He was a squirrely jumpy little creature, probably somewhat clumsey himself, and He WAS a spy. But, if Tonks is Faking, wouldn't you think that Snape or Dumbledore would have noticed, since she HAD to have had snape at one point at Hogwarts. and she Had to have been noticed by dumbledore while in school, due to her 'rare and unique' abilities?

I wanted this to be a new thread but they put my post on the end of this one... oh well...

Yeah, if your post is related in topic to another open thread, you should add to that discussion, that way we dont have 50 million of the same topic running around.

You guys bring up good points. I still think in the long run it might turn out to be true.

Sindatur-- the quote shows Tonks trying to make everyone suspicious of another member of the Order, saying they should be more careful of him, which means she is spreading "discord and enmity"

McKinnon-- I mentioned that I think the clumsiness thing might be fake so that she can disrupt things the Order is doing

Thanks for replying!

Originally posted by Aberforth D (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=445359#post445359))
Also, I was always suspicious of Tonks' clumsiness. A lot of people posting have said that this means she could NOT be a spy... but I think that clumsiness makes her even more likely. No one has raised the possibility of whether Tonks might be faking clumsiness to cause problems for the Order... which she has on many occasions.


I think this is a good point. However, if it's just a disguise of sorts, she's been planning this for an awfully long time--since long before Voldemort came back! She said she was awful in whatever class it was that Aurors have to take in order to learn to sneak around and stuff (can't remember and don't have my book here). Of course, she could have just *said* that, but that wasn't the impression I got from the book. Then again, I thought Crookshanks was going to turn out to be Pettigrew. :(

Maybe I just don't want it to be true! :) lol

Perhaps Crookshanks is another person, the spy is CROOKSHANKS! :banghead: I :banghead: want :banghead: Book :banghead: SIX!

LOL there are so many plausable theories at this point, its maddening!

Originally posted by Aberforth D (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=445446#post445446))
the quote shows Tonks trying to make everyone suspicious of another member of the Order, saying they should be more careful of him, which means she is spreading "discord and enmity"



But is Scrimgeour a member of the Order? I thought he was just one of Fudge's regular aurors.

I think someone in the order will have to turn out to be disloyal or a traitor in some way. It's almost necessary to the plot, I would think.

I would rather it not be Tonks, but must admit that her happy-puppy personality might be the perfect cover. For all we know, she might have despised her 'fool of a mother' for marrying a muggle-born, but just have kept her mouth shut about it. She is also Bellatrix's cousin, after all.

Here's hoping you're wrong!

I don't think so because Sirius new her before because he was realated to her

On an OT note, Scrimgeour sounded like a code name to me, just because it was so unusual. And it would make sense, because Tonks knows not to talk about Order business in front of the kids.

All good points, oh and Inkwolf, come to think of it, that's a great point about Scrimgeour. I kind of assumed he was in the Order, but I guess I'm not really sure. That would really shoot down this theory (so shhhhhhh!) haha

I definately think Tonks is on Voldemort's side. Remember when Sirius said Kreacher won't take orders from her? This might be because he recognises as a house elf that she isn't a member of the Black family at all...

I'd hate for Tonks to be a spy, but I think that some valid points are being made. Tho, saying that I feel that you could acuse ANYONE in the Order being a spy if you read too much into what everyone is saying.
As for the fact that she is a Meta-thingy-ma-bob, you shouldn't hold what she is against her. It's just the same with Lupin, he's a werewolf...so what? He's proven himself trustworthy, as has Hagrid but I don't see ppl thinking he's a spy because he's half-giant.
If Tonks were a spy...wouldn't Voldie have left it upto her to try and lure Harry into the DoM and not let Kreacher do it? I dunno, it doesn't seem to add up in my mind.
As for Kreacher not taking orders from her...didn't Sirius say that it was because she wasn't on the Black family tapestry?... her mother was burnt off before she born? Therefore, she'd never been added? Call me too trusting but I'd like to believe that explaination.

Originally posted by MagiCils (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=447627#post447627))
I definately think Tonks is on Voldemort's side. Remember when Sirius said Kreacher won't take orders from her? This might be because he recognises as a house elf that she isn't a member of the Black family at all...



Kreacher didn't take orders from her becos she was not included in the Black Family Tree.
And Crookshanks is part-Kneazel,he can smell evil,he would have done somethings to let the others know if Tonks was evil.

swinging off topic for a second, perhaps that is what Crookshanks purpose is! he smeeels the evil. He's the Spy Detector! If he starts acting wiggy about someone, we'll have reason to suspect!:??:

Anyways back to topic! I'd be heartbroken if Tonks turned spy.

First how could Crookshanks go thousands of miles in a second(Voldamort would be far from Dumbldor)? Second, if he is a wizard wouldn't Sirius have known after that whole killing Wormtail. Last all of the OotP would be closely watched so Tonks couldn't be a traitor with out the order knowing?

I agree! Tonks Cant be a traitor! Once Bitten, Twice shy. DumbleDore will know that there could be a traitor among them, so he'll watch every one as close as he can.

In the first version of the Order, Dumbledore felt very strongly there was a spy, but didn't know who it was. There's nothing mentioned in this book about him even suspecting there might be a spy in the Order this time around.

Some valid points were made, though. And like others, I would be pretty sad if Tonks was a spy. :(

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I LIKE Tonks, though!! She wouldn't side with Voldemort. That's more of Percy's thing...

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I think Percy stinks!! I think he should die a most painful death.

I don't think he will go back with his family as easy as some peopel think. He doesn't like admitting he's wrong. There will be something there.

Percy sucks!!

Maybe Dumbledore is loosing his touch. I think he's gearing harry up to face Voldemort alone. Because that's what's going to happen in the end. Dumbledore will die, and Harry won't have anyone to save him. Except maybe Neville. Neville will do something. And Wormtail, since he owes a life-debt to harry.

Someone said Kreacher wouldn't take orders from Tonks but that is resonable because she was taken away from the tapesty for liking muggles, like Sirius. Also Kreacher would most likly take kind to her if she was a spy.

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I agree very much, Don't eat raw hagis

Originally posted by Rowena_DUELS (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=448980#post448980))
I think Percy stinks!! I think he should die a most painful death.
Bah, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? I was also disappointed in him, but I don't think his feelings toward his family will last. He will probably realize his wrongdoing.

I realize he doesn't like to admit he's wrong, but I think his parents will take him back anyways. Molly said, "What if something horrible happens and we haven't made up yet?" or something to that effect, which suggests to me she was expecting him to come back sometime soon.

Percy made a mistake (albeit a rather large one), and I hope he has seen the error of his ways.

Sorry if I got a bit off-topic. :)

YEah, but I don't like him. I would NEVER do that to my family. Also, I don' think he will go back to his family. he's one of those people that doesn't like admitting his mistakes, because he thinks he's always right. I doubt he'll admit anything.

There is already a thread on Percy in this forum, Rowena, if you want to talk about him, please go there, and here, stay on topic of Tonks. Some good points were made about Tonks being the spy, but I think the strongest point against it is that she is a half-blood. all of Voldemort's DE's are purebloods, I am sure, and besides, Tonks is just not the type to be a spy.

She's too cool to be a spy :)

Are you saying spy's aren't cool? Have you learnt nothing from the James Bond generation? Or was James Bond a secret agent? And is that different ... yeah

Wait, I thought spies were suppose to be COOL, not that they were too "uncool" so they were a spy. I think Tonks is too clumsy and naive to be a spy.

LOL perhaps I should have phrased it better. She's too cool to be a spy for Voldemort!

Then, I would totally agree. Though Voldemort's Death Eaters are quite advanced in Dark ARts they are dimwits, as OoTp proved.

Poor Tonks. >.< I still would like to think it was stunners that hit her instead of her just tripping, but.. thats another thread.

The Death eaters, aside from Bella, all seemed to be quite inept at dealing with the Order (thats good). muah. Its still going to be a nasty battle.

Originally posted by Aberforth D (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=445359#post445359))
Also, I was always suspicious of Tonks' clumsiness. A lot of people posting have said that this means she could NOT be a spy... but I think that clumsiness makes her even more likely. No one has raised the possibility of whether Tonks might be faking clumsiness to cause problems for the Order... which she has on many occasions.

An intriguing thought. Of course one of the instances of her clumsiness was when she knocked over the candle at Grimmauld Place, revealing the building plans which, perhaps, were DoM plans - maybe an attempt to reveal them to Harry?

But then this doesn't really make sense, because we know that Voldemort doesn't even begin to think of using Harry until after the December attack on Mr. Weasley, when he realizes the strength of the connection between them.

But narratively speaking, her clumsiness will undoubtedly give her away to one side or the other, since it is her hallmark characteristic.

But back to your point about Tonks being too tired for guard duty. What night was that? It wasn't one of the nights when one of the Order (like Sturgis) was attacked/apprehended was it?

One other question: do you think that Tonks could use her metamorphmagi ability to fake being stunned? I don't have my copy of OotP, but do we actually see her stunned (or worse), or only her body crashing down the seats in the death chamber (that's all I remember)? I know that she was hurt badly enough to be taken to St. Mungo's, but I suppose she could fool even a Healer; alternatively, I've always had my doubts about that place!

I sort of don't really think Tonks is a spy, but don't want to leave any stone unturned! I think Mundungus is a spy, not out of being evil, but out of weakness, but that is another thread!

Tonks was tired so Mr. Weasley covered, so it wouldn't have been the night that Sturgis was caught.

I don't think Tonks is a spy, but as stated before, it is important to question everyone because who knows. Oh, and it gives me something to do.

I hope Tonks isn't a spy for Voldemort, and it seems unlikely. Dumbledore himself is skilled at Legilimency. He probably takes a peek into everyone's minds just to make sure they are trustworty enough to be in the Order. I mean, why do you think he trusts Snape so much?

You make some good points, but I think that TOnks being a spy for Voldemort is highly unlikely.

However, I think the point brought up about her being tired for guard duty is VERY important. What was she doing the previous night that made her so tired? And it is a very big coincidence that that just happened to be the night the snake attacked. What if Tonks is really one of the death eaters in disguise, like Avery or someone. Avery seems pretty clumsy too!

well i personally like tonks but u have a point aberforth d. and tonks being clumsy i think she's just trying to make it seem that way so no one will expect her. it makes perfect sense. but there is still 2 books and thats A LOT of pages to discover things. i just hope that the spy is someone else like... mundegus (i think that's how u spell his name). look at it. he waz the one who didn't do his shift and allowed Umbridge to send those dormentors. it makes sense.

Originally posted by Nami (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=477193#post477193))
I hope Tonks isn't a spy for Voldemort, and it seems unlikely. Dumbledore himself is skilled at Legilimency. He probably takes a peek into everyone's minds just to make sure they are trustworty enough to be in the Order. I mean, why do you think he trusts Snape so much?

Yeah, well he made a big mistake with Peter Pettigrew, last time around. I think there are limits as to what legilimency will do for you, which is why Snape can continue to spy (if that is what he is doing).

The more I think about Tonks, the more I think she's evil. JKR has written evil characters that turn good, but she's yet to show a good character who turns evil. She's written tonks to make everyone like her, and the MN poll shows this. The thing that gets me is this...

Tonks seemed very interested in Harry's account of the dream

Now unless I'm mistaken, Voldemort only found out this link after the dream. Now it could be that he noticed Harry was with him as well, but then why hasn't he noticed this before?

But, what if a certain spy in the order, told Voldemort what was happening. the word "very" arouses my suspicions, and the fact she's a metamorphagi does create an element of suspicion. Tonk's also fell down a little too quickly and unharmingly in the DoM fight, was this just a show? I mean, she's meant to be an auror, though she did say she was inexperienced.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kingsley get her involved after she was very interested to join? Dumbledore said Voldemort would have spies in ministry, ok we know lucius was part of one, and Macnair was one. yet wouldn't it be handy to have a spy placed in the auror department AND the order, to report back on not only the ministry's actions, but also Dumbledore's.

It could just be JKR getting us paranoid though, but I do think our tonks is hiding something.

I know this has all been said before but I needed to think it through by typing it out...

Okay, this is why i don't trust Tonks:
Pg 52 (U.S. version)
"You're an Auror?" said Harry, impressed. Being a Dark wizard catcher was the only career he'd ever considered after Hogwarts.
"Yeah," said Tonks, looking proud. "Kingsley is as well; he's a bit higher up that I am, though. I only qualified a year ago."

VS.

pg. 662
"Well, I thought of, maybe, being an Auror," Harry mumbled.
"You'd need top grades for that," said Professor McGonagall, extracting a small, dark leaflet from under the mass on her desk and opening it. "They ask for a minimum of five N.E.W.T.s, and nothing under 'Exceeds Expectations' grade, I see. Then you would be required to undergo a stringent series of character and aptitude tests at the Auror office. It's a difficult career path, Potter; they only take the best. In fact, I don't think anybody has been taken on in the last three years".

The most important parts to notice: Tonks said she qualified only a year ago, yet McGonagall says no one's qualified for 3 years. If you notice this is totally Rowling's style to slip things like this in. I think that Tonks is going to leak information and that she may even be a Death Eater that no one knows can transform. Who's to say Tonks isn't even truely female?

Piper, what it says, or means to say, is that Tonks only became a qualified Auror a year ago ... meaning she still could have studied to become an Auror for three years before that.

correction: McGonagall said no ones been taken on...I suspect that means for training. This takes three years. So Tonks has left school for 4, meaning she must have been the last lot taken on for training. I find it hard to believe that she isn't an auror with Kingsley in the department and Dumbledore would know.

yeah, but tonks says that she studied to become an auror but almost failed because shes so clumsy. so i think that you can study to become an auror and still not qualify.

convincing points, but wouldnt harry's scar prickle if someone like a spy for Voldemort got near him?

i could be wrong but thats what i think.

well that can be tru but i hope not. but siruis even liked her. i know that's nothing but he didn't like his family at all LOL and she was taken off tha family tree jus like sirius! =) i dont know though, it could be any of the new people in the order i think.
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Muggle Beauty, Crouch Jr. was near him for the longest time, and Harry didn't get the slightest twinge. The scar (excepting the time Harry looked directly at Snape during his Sorting Ceremony, and Voldemort may have had some small annoyance at the moment that happened) has never twinged around other Death Eaters... and Harry's been around plenty. Macnair, Karkaroff, Malfoy Sr., Peter Pettigrew, etc.

His scar twinged at the sorting ceremony because he was looking to the back of Quirrel's head. He thought it was Snape though.

This thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11995)

5. Tonks made sure to be well liked by everyone, even the children(especially Harry). People usually act like that when they are trying to establish trust. If she is already in the Order she shouldn't have to be getting close with everyone, right? She takes a great interest in Harry as well. This would make spying easy.



I think this is quite natural considering she's young. She must be no older than 20. As such do you think she would get along better with a 40 year old or a 15 year old? I would bet she just was with her crowd, the young ones. She has more responsiblities but I'm sure she just wants to have fun.

I love tonks by the way :love: eheh

(excepting the time Harry looked directly at Snape during his Sorting Ceremony, and Voldemort may have had some small annoyance at the moment that happened)

I never thought of that, but it's a good point--Quirrel had possibly just asked for Snape to help him get the stone, and Snape told him to get stuffed. Voldemort would have been...miffed.

Tonks could've pretended to be a klutz and to be really naive just like Quirrel pretended to stutter. However, whether or not she's a traitor, there's no definite clue yet. Also, Voldie might have a traitor in the Order, but Dumbledore can also have spies from Voldie. HAHAHAHA...

I'm more willing to accept that Tonks is just plain clumsy. Her heritage would get in the way of her being Voldemort's lackey. Also, she's so young... I think Voldemort wants people who are older, a bit more experienced, and capable of handling what he asks them to do. Tonks doesn't seem to be very good with her spellwork, or being stealthy- two things Voldemort would definitely want to have in a spy.

But she's an auror. She must be powerful to make that, so don't go mistaking her to be some clumsy wreck.

I honestly dont think there is much indicating that Tonks is on voldmorets side

First she isnt Pureblood , so he wouldnt even like her

We have to rember that Tonks is young she proabably like 20 or 21, she around all this expreinced and she wants to do a good job

Ythe part said where tonks got her qualifaction a year ago, but Pro MM said
"In fact, I don't think anybody has been taken on in the last three years".

she didnt say yeah and no body has been taken for the last 3 years, she said she donsent think anyone has, so that the diffrence

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"but siruis even liked her. i know that's nothing but he didn't like his family at all LOL and she was taken off tha family tree jus like sirius! "

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I dont think Tonks was ever put on the black Tree

a qoute from the book

" I see Tonks inst on here............"

"Oh yeah her mother Andromeda was my favorite Cousin" Said Siruis examining the tapestry closely. "No Andromeda's not on here either, look --" He pointed to another small burn makr between two names Bellatrix and Narcissa"

Which leads me to belive that tonks was never put on the tree, her motehr's name was blasted off when she married Ted Tonks, a muggle

Too clear up, again, the question of McGonagall's statement and Tonks' tenure as an auror. When McGonagall says "In fact, I don't think anybody has been taken on in the last three years" she means that of the last three graduating classes, no one has been accepted for auror training, which takes an additional three years. That means 4 years ago, someone was taken on for auror training, which took them 3 years to complete, giving them completed training last year, i.e. the same year as Tonks. So a good likelihood that was her.

I don't think that there is anything definitively ****ing about Tonks' behaviour, it was only, as noted above, her tiredness on the night after Mr. Weasley was attacked. Basically, most people are guessing that there must be a spy in the order and are examining each individual. And I must admit that I am suspicious of Tonks, but have a wait-and-see attitude until more information comes my way.

Would Voldemort really want a clumsy, "half-blood" witch as a spy? Who's also an Auror? Who could suddenly switch sides and give the Ministry his whereabouts? Probably not. But you never know what J.K. Rowling has up her sleeve. But I, for one, love Tonks and hope that she isn't on the dark side.

Awhile back there was a thread that talked about what different numbers represent according to numerology. Supposedly when twelve people are together one is a traitor. Well, in the DoM there were twelve 'good guys': Harry, Hermione, Ron, Neville, Luna, Ginny, Dumbledore, Lupin, Moody, Tonks, Kingsley and Sirius.

So could one of these be the traitor? Out of these people the likely canidates are Tonks and Kingsley.

I don't think Tonks is in cahoots with Voldy. It wouldn't make much sense. She's a half-blood and very klutzy. I think her friendliness towards Harry and the other kids was because they were closer to her age than say Sirius or Molly.

For one, Tonks was an imediate fave after reading the fifth book, and I have to agree with TheFifthMarauder, why would Voldemort want to use a half-blood for a spy when he hates them?

But then again, Voldemort was a half-blood too, and after reading this, although I don't want to believe it, I think there might be a possibility that she might be working for Voldemort.

Yes, but Voldemort is extremely vain when it comes to having things the way he wants them. I don't think he'd accept any half bloods just because he's one, he'd want to be surrounded by "pure" wizards.

Hm...I hope Tonks is not evil, but I CERTAINLY don't think that she is clumsy and stupid as someone mentioned. Prof. McGonaggal said that no-one had been accepted by the "Auror-school" the last three years, and probably Tonks was the last one. If it is that difficult to become an Auror, I don't think you can explain her behaviour as clumsy and stupid.

I'm not sure...there just isn't really enough substantial proof about itm for me at least...sorry.

Tonks grew up with Voldemort out of power, so I don't see how she could be his loyal servant.

I highly doubt Tonks is working for Voldemort. Yeah she was getting close to the kids but as stated by someone else, she is closes to their age. If she was working for Voldemort you would think perhaps she would act a bit different. Voldemort has no idea what the prophecy said so if she had been working for Voldemort she could have taken out Harry at anytime, oratleast Voldemort would have thought she could. SHe has had more then one chance to do it and yet she hasn't. Tell me if I am just talking out my rear here but that is how I see it.

First, I can't see a motive for Tonks being evil, and a motive would be the first thing needed to prove she is on Voldies side.

Second, there isn't any clue about information she might have given to Voldemort. If she was a traitor JKR would've surely given a tiny clue about information the Death Eaters had from someone within the order?

i believe the spy will be someone new who decides to join the order after eveyone saw voldemort in MoM and got sure he was back.
i don't think that tonks could be the spy. if she were, bellatrix, her aunt, wouldn't damage her that much in DoM. and, yeah, she's a half-blood, would voldemort want her to spy for him?? i believe that he thinks nobody is worth anything in the wizardy world but purebloods.
tonks is my second favorite character in Ootp (mundungus is the first:D) but it's nothing to do with not believing that she could be the spy.
tonks is a brave young witch. she works in the ministry, she's very young and doesn't have any experience at all but she joined in the order to fight voldemort when anyone could dare to believe he was back.
she also wouldn't have wanted to go to DoM for harry's aid if she was the spy because she would've known that the other Death Eaters could've recognized her and it'd have been obvious that she betrayed the order.

Tonks was in St Mungo's at the end of the book. It could well be that while she is in there she uncovers some new details about the Longbottoms or Lockhart, there were too many little clues dropped about the hospital and it could well be that she is loyal to the order but that landing her in St Mungo's was very deliberate.

Well, grrr.

I had a whole thing written out about why i dont think she is, but it didnt post properly. So in summery, no.

Tonks certianly is hiding something, well more JK is about her. But I dont think shes the spy one bit.

6. Even though Tonks showed up to help at the Department of Mysteries, she wasn't exactly very helpful. She should have been able to help a lot being an auror, Kingsley took on two DEs at once, but she didn't. It seems like she was doing it more for show than to actually help.

Nobody who fought Bellatrix won, not even Kingsley. Sirius died fighting her! Tonks, being a rather young, inexperienced auror would have a very hard time defeating Bellatrix. Also, she'd have to be an extremely good Occlumens to get past Dumbledore's Legilimency skills.

Also, JK cant write everything, I think many things that happened in the battle were left unwritten.

Tonks would also have to be extremely trusted by Moody for him to allow her in the Advanced Guard in the beginning of the book, I would think that he would be paranoid about that kind of thing. I suspect that Tonks simply was younger and inexperienced compared to who she was fighting, personally I think that she put up a good effort.

I re-read the chapter last night and it says that Tonks was the first to try and put a spell on the Death Eaters, it also says that she was trying to fight Bellatrix and fell, (from what I thought was one of her spells.)

Good points Bensoir. I just don't think that there is enough evidence to prove anything other than that she is just friendlier with the children than the other members of the Order.

Moody said on p.48, Bloomsbury edition "Are you quite sure it's him, Lupin? It'd be a nice lookout if we brought back some Death Eater impersonating him." Tonks would either have to be naturally good or extremely cunning to get past that kind of paranoia.
Her mother seemed decent (she was Sirius' favourite cousin) and why would she marry a muggle-born and get blasted off the tapestry if she agreed with Voldemort's views? I don't know much about her father but I don't think a muggle-born would side with Voldemort. So she would have been brought up not to believe in the pure-blood stuff.

malfoyschick - More good evidence to prove that Tonks is on the "good" team. Like many have said in the "Who will betray Harry?" thread, there are so many more people that are more suspect than Tonks.

ok all I have to say to this is NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Tonks is a good person and is very trusted. And like fortescue said she would have to be VERY skilled at occlucency to be able to get past Dumbledores' Legilimency skills.

I will however admit that some of the reasons posted were kind of convincing, but like I said Tonks is a good person. I dont think she is a spy at all.

Another thing is that if Snape is a spy for dumbledore and Tonks for voldy then wouldnt Snape know about it and then tell dumbledore that she is a spy and cant be trusted?

I just dont beleave that she is a bad person.

~~~i dunno. Tonks sounded really nice to me, but it may well be that JKR is trying to give us clues. ~~~ Hermy121 has a good point and i agree. :agree:~~~

If Tonks were evil would she be able to enter the Dursleys House? Im not sure... any ideas on that? It seems to me that she can disguise herself physically but her personality is just to unique and those who know her well would pick up on that quickly. Plus shes a half-blood, so is Voldemort, but we know how he feels about other half bloods. Plus shes really not all that talented as a wizard so I dont think she could resist Voldemort or Dumbledores Legilimency.

Hermy121- I agree about the spy thing, although that could lead to questioning Snape's motives, but if Dumbledore trusts him then we probably should.

Good lord, I haven't seen this thread earlier! And it seems it's quite interesting.

I have never thought Tonks could be the spy. Well, maybe that is exactly what JKR wants. It's not so unusual that the bad guys are the least suspected ones.

She seemed very nice to everyone and she also fought against the Death Eaters. But it could all be a set up. There is a possibility.

Being a Metamorphmagi, she could use it really well to help Voldemort and be in Order in the same time.

I don't know... but this thread sure did make me think...

What if Tonks really is loyal servant of Voldemort?

You know i'd never think tonks as a Voldie spy. But with the valid points that have been made, it could be posible. I wouldnt put it passed JKR if she did that. But seeing as that i love tonks, i hope that your theories are wrong. ;)

All I can say is that Dumbledore trusts Tonks and his guesses seem to be right!

Don't they? :nc:

Just one point that I wanted to make. Harry saw Sirius in trouble at the MOM. Sirius wasn't really there. Could Tonks make herself look like Sirius to fool Harry into going to the Ministry, and ending up in the trap?

Voldemort, and Tonks could have acted out the whole Sirius in distress thing. Just figured that I should add my two cents.

I thought it might be useful to put together the references to Tonks' clumsiness to see if there might be a pattern. These are the ones I could think of:
1. Enters Dursley home and breaks a plate.
2. Crashes umbrella stand in hallway at #12 Grimmauld Place, revealing Mrs. Black to Harry.
3. Knocks candle over onto building plans Bill is examining with Mr. Weasley.

Anybody think of anymore?

No one has really submitted evidence from the book that has shown me to believe she is a spy. But I've been thinking about this, and look at most of Volde's servants (minus Quirrell). They are mean, evil etc...(Malfoy & the DE's) Snape is pretty mean and he USED to be Volde's servant. Quirrell is the only exception to this rule. Now I understand this is really a moot point because apperances are decieving--I know that. But it's just something to think about. MOST (not all!) most of his servants are pretty mean and open about it--like the Malfoy's--they openly support Volde and everyone but Fudge notices. Just a thought...I know that this may sound kind of silly, but I've been putting some thought toward it.

On the second read, I've gotten a really weird feeling from Tonks that I can't quite describe. But it seems like when police officers pretend to be high school students so that they can bust drug deelers. I don't think she's working for Voldemort, but I think there's something going on there. Maybe she's spying for the MoM, or for some other group we haven't heard of yet?

I think the clumbsiness might be a put on, and she seemed to be trying really hard to cozy up to Harry. Plus, if you think about it, Moody would be looking for someone who was trying NOT to draw attention to themselves so by being really loud and weird she might slip under his radar.

Just a thought.

There is one connection between Tonks and Voldemort, they both hate their real names. I know thats' pretty thin, but the Watergate scandal started with tape and a doorknob.

I was rereading OoP- in Ch. 29, when McGonagall is giving Harry career advice, she states that no Aurors have been taken on for three years. But Tonks told Harry in Ch. 3 while she was helping him pack that she has only been an Auror for a year. There are several possibilities for this: Tonks has a secret job within the Ministry (like the NSA?) and is using the Auror job as a cover, or she is lying. Either possibility opens up a lot of interesting aspects of her role in Book 6. She can change her appearance at will to resemble virtually anyone, (without the hassle/preparation of the Polyjuice Potion) which would make her either a very powerful ally or a very powerful enemy. Did anybody else notice this?

I think this is being discussed elsewhere, but my understanding was that it was either a mistake by JK, or the 3 years was since they took new people into the Auror program, which would make the training two years and Tonks was one of the last people accepted into the program.

i know there are threads relating about this on several sites, but as far as im concerned madmagic is right, aurors are like the elite, so im pretty sure that auror training is somewhere along the lines of 3 to 4 years, which would make it perfectly acceptable to say tonks has only been an auror for one year.

It's not a mistake. McGonagall was probably referring to Tonks when she said that it was three years since someone was taken on. The Auror training takes 2-3 years and TOnk's one year comment meant that she had finished her training a year ago.

It could also be a possibilty that Tonks was still a fresh graduate of Auror training. And after she graduated Dumbledore then approached her. Dumbledore knowing that she would never go to the dark side, talked to her immediately.

She could be hinting at something or it could be a mistake. I'm not sure but I don't think Tonks is evil. She worked too closely with Mad-Eye Moody to be a plant from Dumbledore.
I'm going to merge this with is Tonks evil. :)

There is one connection between Tonks and Voldemort, they both hate their real names.
Yes, but Voldemort hates the Muggle part of his name, and Tonks embraces the Muggle part of her name and hates the wizarding part.

Plus Tonks hate of her name isn't so great that she would change it (at least she hasn't yet) and there are plenty of people who hate their names who don't become the most evil person on earth. Just because she doesn't like her name doesn't mean that Tonks is evil is what I am trying to say.

This thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11995) got me thinking and I truely think that Tonks is a traitor. Here is my evidence, tell me what you think.

1. Voldemort, knowing about the OotP last time, will want a spy there this time. He will have probably gotten them in there soon.

2. It seems to me that when Kingsley Shacklebolt was being recruited, his fellow auror Tonks found out and wanted to join too all of a sudden. That is very suspicious.

3. Being a metamorphmagi means she can't be trusted. If you never know what a person looks like, how can you be able to trust that the person you are talking to is really that person. Changing appearance is also a valuable spying tool.

4. Tonks' ability to change has been emphasized quite a bit in the book. If JKR emphasizes something it is important.

5. Tonks made sure to be well liked by everyone, even the children(especially Harry). People usually act like that when they are trying to establish trust. If she is already in the Order she shouldn't have to be getting close with everyone, right? She takes a great interest in Harry as well. This would make spying easy.

6. Even though Tonks showed up to help at the Department of Mysteries, she wasn't exactly very helpful. She should have been able to help a lot being an auror, Kingsley took on two DEs at once, but she didn't. It seems like she was doing it more for show than to actually help.

7. When the advance guard show up, Tonks mentions the dreams to Harry(when they are alone). She seems very interested in how they work. Shortly afterward Harry starts having the dreams about the Department of Mysteries.

~~These are my explainations (in the order you put them) in defence of Tonks not being a DE:
1. Yeah I agree with that one
2.Isn't Tonks like Kingsley's apperentice? It would seem likely that if she wanted to become a good wizard she would follow in her mentors foot steps. And I don't really see how it is suspicous -- Voldy would have already known the Order was around -- why would he need to wait for Kingsley to join? Wouldn't according to reason 1 make more scence if he did it asap; instead of waiting for someone else to join aswell?
3.In the Wizarding world you really can't ever be sure who you are talking to. There is the polyjuice potion. Tonks can just change apperance a little bit eazier. You can't go around being as paranoid as Moody all the time; so its a risk that everyone has to take when dealing with anyone else in the Wizarding world.
4. Yes, it has been mentioned, but I dont know about emphasized. And even if it was, why couldn't that just mean that it would play a role for the good of the Order -- its just as likely (if not more) that she will (if not already) be acting as a spy FOR Dumbledore and the Order in Voldy's DE circle.
5. I don't know if she actually "made sure" to be well liked -- maby she is just a nice person, like Dumbledore. Or possibly she has low selfesteam and needs to be well liked. ^.^ And of course she would try to establish trust -- who wouldn't try to make friends when you are new to a place, its natural, not sinical. I think BECAUSE she is in the Order she tries to get close with everyone. And it also seems like almost everyone Harry has come into contact with takes great interest in him for the first couple times they see him (read first book over again), so again it doesn't nessisarily mean there is anything sinical "afoot" (spelling).
6.Keeping in mind that not everyone can take on 2 DEs at once (Sirius and Moody only took on 1 at a time I believe), she lost to Lestrange, the same person who beat Sirius and Sirius obviously is a very powerfull wizard. She would have ended up dieing if she tried to take on to. Also she needed to go to the hospital after the fight -- she got it worse the Moody, so I don't think Lestrange was "taking it eazy on her". Fear and inabilaty to fight better then average do not usally mean that you are on the other side.
7. This could just mean that Tonks was concerned with Harry. And the fact that he then got dreams means nothing -- he was having them before anyways (if i rember right). Even if I'm wronge; her telling him about the dreams would be irrelevant to Voldy's ability to give him the dreams (Was Voldy even aware of the connection at the time? I thought Voldy just learned when Arthur was bitten by the snake.).
And the most important reason of all : DUMBLEDORE TRUSTS HER!! Hes only been wronge once about Wormtail being a spy, and now he would be more catious about it.
Sorry to sound so argumentative, but I just dont see how Tonk could be a spieing DE like Wormtail. He was always weak -- never Aurur stuff, but Tonk though maby not able to beat 2 DEs at once still seems to be a stronger wizard then Wormtail.
~~Also sorry for any typos its late i cant correct now :(.

I agree RaGe[iN]GriffiN

I couldn't think of what they were called when I made my first post, but I bet she's an Unspeakable. Um... that is what they're called, right?

But, you can't be an Auror and an Unspeakable at the same time, can you?

1. Voldemort, knowing about the OotP last time, will want a spy there this time. He will have probably gotten them in there soon.

I agree with this one.

2. It seems to me that when Kingsley Shacklebolt was being recruited, his fellow auror Tonks found out and wanted to join too all of a sudden. That is very suspicious.

Is that what really happened, or is this just an assumption? However, I have been wondering why Tonks joined up with the Order, since she's fresh out of Auror school (or whatever).

3. Being a metamorphmagi means she can't be trusted. If you never know what a person looks like, how can you be able to trust that the person you are talking to is really that person. Changing appearance is also a valuable spying tool.

True, but like someone said above, you can't really trust ANYONE in the wizarding world.

4. Tonks' ability to change has been emphasized quite a bit in the book. If JKR emphasizes something it is important.

Yes, this will probably be important soon.

5. Tonks made sure to be well liked by everyone, even the children(especially Harry). People usually act like that when they are trying to establish trust. If she is already in the Order she shouldn't have to be getting close with everyone, right? She takes a great interest in Harry as well. This would make spying easy.

Tonks seems to naturally have a warm personality. Everyone likes her, not just the kids.

6. Even though Tonks showed up to help at the Department of Mysteries, she wasn't exactly very helpful. She should have been able to help a lot being an auror, Kingsley took on two DEs at once, but she didn't. It seems like she was doing it more for show than to actually help.

Well, not everyone can take on 2+ DE's at once. She probably wasn't that experienced fighting yet.

7. When the advance guard show up, Tonks mentions the dreams to Harry(when they are alone). She seems very interested in how they work. Shortly afterward Harry starts having the dreams about the Department of Mysteries.

LV figured on his own that he could make Harry see things - I don't think Tonks had anything to do with it.

I am too tired to read all of this thread, but I've read bits of it. I see one flaw in it. Doesn't Voldermort only take on purebloods? Tonk's father is muggleborn, so that would mean her blood is dirty in the eyes of the death eaters. Remember that she isn't on the Black family tree.

However, I have been wondering why Tonks joined up with the Order, since she's fresh out of Auror school (or whatever).



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Well the majority of the family she has on her mother's side seems like reason enough.....

On an OT note, Scrimgeour sounded like a code name to me, just because it was so unusual. And it would make sense, because Tonks knows not to talk about Order business in front of the kids.
I started playing with this name, trying to see what it could be a code for (scour grime? grim course? rim scourge?) Then I googled it and lo and behold, it is an actual Scottish surname, so it may not be a code at all. There is an author named Gary James Scrimgeour (who wrote "A Woman of Her Times"), maybe a bit of a tribute by JKR. The character of Scrimgeour could be introduced in book 6 or 7, as he was asking "funny questions."

On an OT note, Scrimgeour sounded like a code name to me, just because it was so unusual. And it would make sense, because Tonks knows not to talk about Order business in front of the kids.

Well, JK Rowling tends to imbed meanings into the names of her characters. Thanks to good ol' google, I managed to dig this up:

"Scrimgeour:

The name was originally perhaps a nickname, Skirmisher. meaning 'hardy fighter', or more likely a version of escrimeur, French for swordsman. The first bearer of the name was one Alexander Carron, who received the hereditary title of Royal Standard (or Banner) Bearer of Scotland after an exceptionally brave action in the presence of the then King of Scots whose army was crossing the river Spey. Carron's descendent, Alexander Scrymgeour, was an adherent of Sir William Wallace, and the only Charter known to have been granted by Wallace as 'Guardian of the Realm' confirmed him as Royal Banner Bearer, granted him lands in Angus, and made him 'Constable of the Castle of Dundee'. After Wallace's death Scrymgeour supported King Robert the Bruce, was captured by the English in Bruce's defeat at Methven in 1306 and hanged at Newcastle-upon-Tyne. This was not the only time that bearing the Royal Banner proved a hazard as well as an honour, as several Chiefs of the Clan died in battle. At Flodden. the Clan Chief being too young to bear arms. his uncle, acted as Banner Bearer, and afterwards died of his wounds. "

From http://www.scrimgeourclan.org.uk/

Bolded for emphasis- is this some foreshadowing? Interesting.

I still think that Tonks is Luna Lovegood. She's just so... weird! It's impossible, I know, but... GRRR! :banghead: I want book 6 NOOOOWWWW! :banghead:

the only way you could possibly convince me is to come up with an acronym for her name that spells something like "not really trusty" "will kill harry in book seven". thats the only form of evidence ill listen to. who cares about logic.

the only way you could possibly convince me is to come up with an acronym for her name that spells something like "not really trusty" "will kill harry in book seven". thats the only form of evidence ill listen to. who cares about logic.
Knots! I got nothin' else. :lol:

This is a really interesting theory. I never felt totally comfortable when I was reading about her. It may not mean any thing, but on page 57 of OotP Mad-Eye wants to double back around to be sure that they are not being followed and Tonks screams "ARE YOU MAD, MAD-EYE? We're all frozen to our brooms!" If we keep going off course we're not going to get there until next week! we're nearly there now!" These few sentences must be something pertainent. If you read the sentence before it and the one after, it has nothing to do with either one of them so maybe it could be a sutble hint that Tonks is helping someone follow them. I could be overanalyzing, but it was kinda obscure.

Well, the points I am about to make have probably been mentioned in the thread all ready, but I just didn't have the time to read the whole thread, so I am sorry if I am reiterating something all ready said.

And if some of my replies seem harsh, I mean no offense, it is just the way they came out, sorry. I have my replies bolded, just so ya know.







1. Voldemort, knowing about the OotP last time, will want a spy there this time. He will have probably gotten them in there soon.

Maybe this is working the other way? Could she maybe be spying on Voldemort? He thinks she is really working for him, yet she is actually spying for the Order?

2. It seems to me that when Kingsley Shacklebolt was being recruited, his fellow auror Tonks found out and wanted to join too all of a sudden. That is very suspicious.

Yeah, she just became an auror. I am sure she was enthusiastic to help in some way. To show that she can do what others can, that doesn't mean she is bad.

3. Being a metamorphmagi means she can't be trusted. If you never know what a person looks like, how can you be able to trust that the person you are talking to is really that person. Changing appearance is also a valuable spying tool.

Refer to my first answer. She would be using this to her advantage to spy on Voldemort, if indeed she is a "traitor".

4. Tonks' ability to change has been emphasized quite a bit in the book. If JKR emphasizes something it is important.

Maybe it could come in handy for the Order? Just because it is emphasized a lot, doesn't mean it is going to be used against the Order.

5. Tonks made sure to be well liked by everyone, even the children(especially Harry). People usually act like that when they are trying to establish trust. If she is already in the Order she shouldn't have to be getting close with everyone, right? She takes a great interest in Harry as well. This would make spying easy.

Maybe she just likes kid? These are troubled times, maybe she wants to somehow help the kids forget that there are other things out there than Voldemort. That they can still have fun. That doesn't mean she is a traitor.

6. Even though Tonks showed up to help at the Department of Mysteries, she wasn't exactly very helpful. She should have been able to help a lot being an auror, Kingsley took on two DEs at once, but she didn't. It seems like she was doing it more for show than to actually help.

She just became an auror not too long ago. And if I remember correctly, wasn't Kinglsey in the first Order as well? That would allow him WAY more expierence to handle more than one. And even if he wasnt, he has probably been an auror longer than her, meaning more expierence. Just becasue she cant take on two at one time, doesnt mean she is bad. Hell, Moody got knocked out right away, does that mean he is bad since he couldnt help that much?

7. When the advance guard show up, Tonks mentions the dreams to Harry(when they are alone). She seems very interested in how they work. Shortly afterward Harry starts having the dreams about the Department of Mysteries.

Maybe she wants to help Harry. Harry is famous. She might want to be able to help him in some way. Maybe inform Snape about the dreams? COuld maybe help Snape and Harry in their Occulmency lessons, again, that doesnt mean she is bad necesarely(sp.)

I haven't read through the entire thread yet don't have time, but I wanted to add or reiterate that I thought Tonks acted quite strange one time when they were all leaving #12. I don't have my book with me now, but once or twice she seemed really on edge on the spot. I thought it was because one of the guard didn't show up and that is what it seemed like, but I was never convinced.

Interesting theroy. It would be a shame if your right, but an interesting read, for sure.

:)

Tonks? A spy? How could you suggest such a thing? NEVER!

I've always had this hunch that Kingsley Shacklebolt and Tonks have been untrustworthy. But then I changed my views on Kingsley Shackbolt, since he faught so hard in the Department of Mysteries.. but Tonks has always seemed a bit fishy to me.

Perhaps she's just liked by the kids because she's young and easy to talk to, and attains an expressive outgoing attitude.

Wouldn't a lot of things have changed IF Tonks was a spy for Voldemort? The Order wouldn't have been able to do a lot of things if Tonks was slipping secrets to Voldemort.. :huh:

In response to Tonks trying to get the kids to like here, I don't think this is very valid. Tonks, from what we seem to understand, is about 22 or so years old. If Harry is 15 along with Hermione, that is only 7 years of seperation. Tonks probably still has a lot of spunk considering her age and maybe se is just trying to relate to the kids because she doesn't have anyone else her age in the order.

2. It seems to me that when Kingsley Shacklebolt was being recruited, his fellow auror Tonks found out and wanted to join too all of a sudden. That is very suspicious.

I think Dumbledore was probably trying to get as many people as he could on the "good" side, so it'd be appropriate if he recruited a young, talented witch just out of Auror training in to the OotP. Tonks just seems like an enthusiastic person, always willing to help.

Alright come on you guys this is all garbage, Tonks is on our side. And all the proof you people have are just a bunch of guesses, nothing in their actually proves it.

I think Tonks is good. i think maybe someone else might turn on Harry tho. But i already posted that on a diffrent board (i think) ;)

i havent read through the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been brought up before

i think that tonks is an imposter. the reason i think this is that kreacher will not obey her. JK specifically has Sirius say that kreacher has to do what anyone in the black family asks, but he wont obey tonks, even though he should (ootp, the most noble and ancient house of black) it seems to me that this is not somethiong that JK would add without having good reason (and we know that almost everything in the books is there for a reason, even some seemingly meaningless details have had greater importance) so therefore tonks cannot be who she claims.

Well, I'll respond to this theory as my first ever post here in the forums...
I think it's an interesting idea, and I wholeheartedly agree that Voldemort will want a spy in the OotP. But I don't think it's Tonks. I'm not sure that the spy will be anyone who was even present at the fight at the end of OotP. That fight would have presented too good an opportunity for the spy to gang up on Harry with another DE or two.
After all, in the HP Universe, the characters don't have the benefit of knowing that there have to be two more books. To a spy working for Voldemort, if an opportunity presented itself to potentially capture Harry or perhaps even kill him (push him through the Veil?) I would expect the spy to take it immediately, not wait conveniently until Harry's year 7 rolls around....The spy immediately becomes a favorite of Voldemort as they go on to deal death and destruction upon the world.

Does that make sense? It's a bit late and I'm tired...it all made sense in my head anyway.

Oh no... I love Tonks. I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to do domestic spells either. I think that's what made me like her. I think she's good.

She would be a good spy though...

I think that Tonks, far from being a spy, will get seriously hurt if not killed, impersonating Harry as a decoy. She has a very rare and special talent - she will use it to protect someone that she knows is the only hope for the benfit of all.

meh she's young and impressionable but still i don't think that she is a servant of his...if anyone is it would be kingsley in my mind ...

i think that there is a spy waiting to try and help LV, however I cant see someone as nice as Tonks being a spy. I know this probably makes her a prime suspect for being a spy, but to me it just aint gonna happen

Tonks absoloutely rocks: JK has created a masterpiece- and Jk has talked to fans about how much she likes the character as well...i don't think she'd do that to us, okay!

Tonks has been ignored by her voldermort supporting family, as far as we know Sirius was the last 'good' family hat she had and her evil aunt killed him- hardly a good reason to go sign up as a death eater. Oh yes and she's muggle born.
Voldermort may try and control her but she'd never intentionally betray the order.

That is impossible, I love Tonks.. She can't be a servent and she won't

If Voldemort were to choose a member of the Order to control, it could very well be Tonks because she is young and not as experienced. However, I really don't think that she could be the spy. Voldemort, come to think of it, would probably want a very powerful and strong wizard on his side, not a clumsy new auror.

And a half blood to boot!

I wouldn't want her to although it is possible since she is a metamorphmagus but I don't think she is...I hope not no she isn't she is on the good side :)

Her mother wasn't evil nor was Sirius and her father isn't either so I doubt she would be but you can never be too sure...

I love Tonks!!!!!!!! I really hope that she isn't evil, she seems very genuine. :angel: But who knows. While the reasons for her being evil aren't strong, who would have suspected Mad Eye Moody in GoF. (Yes I know it wasn't really him, but who would have susected the plot twist that went along with that character?)

Anyway I hope your wrong but "Constant Vigilance" isn't a bad thing.:)

I think Tonks is terrific, too. But there's no way that you can assume anything about her.

As a related note, what JKR has done that I think is brilliant is mix in a few concepts that leave the reader wide open to plot twists:

1) The Imperius Curse
Given this, a perfectly good character can, for a certain amount of time, do completely bad things. You can never really fully see it coming unless you note every person's interaction with every possible Dark Wizard.

2) a) The Polyjuice Potion, and b) The Metamorphmagus
Bad guys can look like good guys and good guys can look like bad guys.

3) The Animagus
A wizard can go completely unnoticed (hello Rita Skeeter) by simply blending into the background as one of nature's creatures.

All of these things consistently put character motivation in doubt, as well as the degree of effective secrecy of one side toward the other.

Man, no wonder they say "constant vigilance". There are so many ways to be spied on by people who look innocent/like your friends.

I don't think that JKR will rely too much on those though, because otherwise it just becomes a standard plot twist.

This thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11995) got me thinking and I truely think that Tonks is a traitor. Here is my evidence, tell me what you think.

1. Voldemort, knowing about the OotP last time, will want a spy there this time. He will have probably gotten them in there soon.

2. It seems to me that when Kingsley Shacklebolt was being recruited, his fellow auror Tonks found out and wanted to join too all of a sudden. That is very suspicious.

3. Being a metamorphmagi means she can't be trusted. If you never know what a person looks like, how can you be able to trust that the person you are talking to is really that person. Changing appearance is also a valuable spying tool.

4. Tonks' ability to change has been emphasized quite a bit in the book. If JKR emphasizes something it is important.

5. Tonks made sure to be well liked by everyone, even the children(especially Harry). People usually act like that when they are trying to establish trust. If she is already in the Order she shouldn't have to be getting close with everyone, right? She takes a great interest in Harry as well. This would make spying easy.

6. Even though Tonks showed up to help at the Department of Mysteries, she wasn't exactly very helpful. She should have been able to help a lot being an auror, Kingsley took on two DEs at once, but she didn't. It seems like she was doing it more for show than to actually help.

7. When the advance guard show up, Tonks mentions the dreams to Harry(when they are alone). She seems very interested in how they work. Shortly afterward Harry starts having the dreams about the Department of Mysteries.

I have been thinking the exact same thing! I think it is highly suspicious that Tonks has just suddenly shown up, without any substantial evidence indicating that she can be trusted. First of all, she was not in the Order last time. I realize that she was not old enough, but that also means that she has not established a history of loyalty to the Order...it is yet to be determined whether or not she is trustworthy. Also, we really don't know anything about Tonks' history. All we know is that she has just recently become an Auror, she is relatively young, and she is a metamorphmagi...which brings me to my next point. There is no way that you can trust someone if they are able to change their appearance at will. She could be anyone! Also, she could pose as a student at the school (Luna, perhaps???) to get close to Harry and get inside information for Voldemort. Also, she could use her ability to spy on almost anyone...inside and outside of the Order. I also find it highly suspicious that she was so keen to gain the childrens' trust...why would she really care unless she had alterior motives? You don't see Kingsley or Mundungus trying to win over the kids. They are all so busy...they don't really have time to be doing that sort of thing. It is just all speculation at this point, and there is now way to really know for sure, but if I had to put money on who I think would turn out to betray Harry, I would definitely go with Tonks.

That's an interesting theory, but I think that Tonks would be checked a million times before becoming an Auror for the MoM. It could be true, I don't have anything to throw back at you, but I doubt it what with Tonks entertaining Ginny and Hermione, and her offering to help out around No. 12, Grimmauld Place, it just seems unlikely with her character, and as far as I remember, there is NO foreshadowing of her being a supporter of Voldemort. That being said, there's going to probably be quite a bit of confusion in HBP about who's under the Imperius Curse, or at least that's my best guess. Tonks could get "Imperio!"ed in HBP or HPB7, but other than that I see no way of her supporting Voldemort.

To me this is a very silly theory. There is no evidence that Tonks has anything to do with Voldemort. She works for the Order, is kind and fun loving, and is an auror. It seems to me that only people who are trying to come up with twists and theories could think this. I guess lots of people are just desperately waiting for the half blood prince and are spending their time coming up with in my opinion crazy theories. More power to you and it does incite good conversation and interesting possibilities to think about, I just don't think that this thread or various others have credible theories.

Some very good points about Tonks which really make me consider the possibility... but at the same time I really love Tonks and can't bear to think such horrible things about her. :sad: I'm all confused now!

I don't think that Tonks is with Voldemorte because if Voldemorte is scared of Dumbledore, wouldn't tonks as well? And Dumbledore being as good as he is would Probably realise it and wouldn't let Tonks in the Order.

Only problem - she's an auror and she works around other aurors - they would know if she was a dark witch. She certainly couldn't fool them all, especially Mad-Eye Moody. Plus she comes from the same Black family as Sirius, so they would have scrutinized her at first I'm sure and she proved herself.

I understand that Tonks's ability might make her both a dangerous spy and a good asset to Voldemort, however, it is silly to mistrust her simply because she is a metamorphmagus. That is as ridiculous as mistrusting Sirius and McGonagall for being animagi or Remus for being a werewolf.

Tonks is way too cool to be evil!.. lol i even remember reading somewhere that JK likes Tonks too.. so let hope she won't go destroying a really good character!

Wouldn't Moody notice something is up with Tonks with that eye of his?

He can see through objects, not intentions. However I don't believe that Tonks has anything to do with Voldemort besides hunting him down. She just seems like too good of a character. Which really should send up warning flags....but there is just something about her that is just so "she is what you read". She seems very black and white.

I AM NOT, how dare you ?

hi,
I dont think Tonks is the traitor.She is so nice.I have a reason to believe that she is not the traitor because she has a muggle father so she cannot be in the in the group of death eaters because of she not being pure blood.Voldemort doesn't like muggles or muggle born wizards.

2. It seems to me that when Kingsley Shacklebolt was being recruited, his fellow auror Tonks found out and wanted to join too all of a sudden. That is very suspicious.
Her second cousins an integral part of the order and she's probably proven, to Kingsley atleast that she can be trusted.


3. Being a metamorphmagi means she can't be trusted. If you never know what a person looks like, how can you be able to trust that the person you are talking to is really that person. Changing appearance is also a valuable spying tool.
And she can't be using that power to spy for the order because...?

5. Tonks made sure to be well liked by everyone, even the children(especially Harry). People usually act like that when they are trying to establish trust. If she is already in the Order she shouldn't have to be getting close with everyone, right? She takes a great interest in Harry as well. This would make spying easy.

Maybe she's just a likeable person. And as for wanting to get to know Harry, she's probably heard all about him and wanted to get to know him. Perhaps JK wanted her to be close to him quickly because she will become more important to him in the next two books- a big sister type figure maybe.
6. Even though Tonks showed up to help at the Department of Mysteries, she wasn't exactly very helpful. She should have been able to help a lot being an auror, Kingsley took on two DEs at once, but she didn't. It seems like she was doing it more for show than to actually help.
She stopped Malfoy getting the prophesy (or atleast distracted him so that Harry could escape.) She gave the order cover as they went down the steps and she was battling her aunt (one of the toughest death eaters) until she was knocked flying down the steps-sounds pretty brave to me!

7. When the advance guard show up, Tonks mentions the dreams to Harry(when they are alone). She seems very interested in how they work. Shortly afterward Harry starts having the dreams about the Department of Mysteries.
She's just interested. He hasn't said much to anyone and they're all slightly worried. Perhaps DD or Lupin or Sirius asked her to try and find out if he's okay?

I agree with Foxy, Tonks is just likeable after all she close to their age so they cant talk to her and tell her things that you couldn’t to someone that happens to be older without feeling like a lecture is coming up. I see Tonks as the cool aunt figure that makes you feel comfortable, someone that wont judge you.

An anagram of her name is "Hot spy and no mark"

I think that Tonks, far from being a spy, will get seriously hurt if not killed, impersonating Harry as a decoy. She has a very rare and special talent - she will use it to protect someone that she knows is the only hope for the benfit of all.

hmm, never thought about using her powers for that!

that is a good twit ....

I personally think that tong will be a very good teacher for Harry, as I would not be surprise if he was a metamorphmagi. Let's imagine he discover that he is one, a born one but just needs to develop his skill, then Tonk could indeed play an interesting role.

I don't think there is a spy in the Order because Dumbleodre is a legilemenns so he would read there mind and see what theyre thinkin about wouldnt he?Never mind Tonks.No way she is one!

Interestign anagram. I don't think she is his servant, i have too much faith in her. maybe JKR did that on pourpose to trick us.

I don't think there is a spy in the Order because Dumbleodre is a legilemenns so he would read there mind and see what theyre thinkin about wouldnt he?Never mind Tonks.No way she is one!

tonks (or as i believe the imposter pretending to be tonks) could well be skilled in occlumency. after all snape spied on voldemort for a while, and wasnt caught, despite the fact that voldemort seems to be a much more powerful legilimens than dumbledore. and there have been spies in the order before - WORMTAIL! and what about barty crouch jnr pretending to be mad eye moody? dumbledores good, but hes not infalliable

I dont think Tonks is the traitor.She is so nice.I have a reason to believe that she is not the traitor because she has a muggle father so she cannot be in the in the group of death eaters because of she not being pure blood.Voldemort doesn't like muggles or muggle born wizards.

but how do we know that tonks is who she claims to be? couldnt another metamorphmagus kill or capture the real tonks and take her place. there is some evidence for this theory - sirius specifically says in the chapter "the most ancient and noble house of black" that although tonks is a member of the black family, kreacher does not obey her, even though he is bound magically to do so. sirius guesses that this might be because shes not on the tapestry, but thid doesnt work, as sirius himself has been blasted off the tapestry and kreacher is still bound to obey him. this is a detail that jk specifically chose to put in, theres no reason for it to be there other than to indicate one thing - that "tonks" is not a member of the black family!

I understand ya celebrien.Most people have been saying abt Tonks not being a Black but they aint said it as clear as you.Forgot that people could use Occlumency to block it out.Durrrrr!!!.Can anyone tell me how to see how many posts ive posted?

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I think Kreature had to obey Sirius because he was only disowned, the blacks have never acknowleged Tonks' existance. There's a slight difference

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I think Kreature had to obey Sirius because he was only disowned, the blacks have never acknowleged Tonks' existance. There's a slight difference

its a good thought, but im not sure itd work, i think the bond is more to do with blood than with will. and after all sirius did say that kreacher should obey her

Hopefully Tonks isn't a spy. She could be, but I doubt it.

This thread is simular to a thread I posted a few months ago (but it has been deleted) I speculated that Tonks is bad and that she'll diguise herself as Snape. Because that was enphasized in the OotP with Snape's nose.

It seems obvious that SOMEONE in the Order is a turncoat spy. But whom...

To me, the best guess is still MUNDUNGUS!

Are we suppose to believe that it was a COINCIDENCE that the moment Mundungus leaves, the Dementors appeared? That's crazy.

NO, not Tonks. She can't be. I think that FittenTrim has the most logical explanation... but I'm 80% sure it's not Tonks. But I'm not ruling it out.

An anagram of her name is "Hot spy and no mark"
Ah, you beat me to it. Gotta love the anagrams.
Tonks seems a wee bit too nice to be a spy. Then again, I'm thinking about Moody. That is suspicious though, about her joining the order. And about the Auror training, she only qualified a year ago and McGonagall says they haven't taken anyone on in years? Suspicious, but hmmm, we don't know if she meant as a full Auror (are you supposed to capitalize that?) or if McGonagall meant someone able to take the tests, or what. I don't know what to think, but I don't want Tonks to be the spy!! :upset: Fittentrim, I'm suspicious about Dung too, wasn't he kicked out of Hogs Head about 20 years ago, and the barman kicked someone out from listening in on the Prophecy? He's suspicious, I'll watch them both now.

I don't think Tonks is a spy, nor do I think Kingsley is one either.

i think Tonks will be very useful to the order, possibly spying on LV and the DEs. There are a few reasons I think this:

1. she is in a good position to possibly take on the DADA teacher
2. she is young and her parents were NOT on LV's side so I think she grew up hating LV and the DEs- easpecially since Bellatrix is her aunt.
3. she was seriously wounded in the fight at MoM - plus she saved Harry

someone mentioned the conversation she had with Lupin about Scrimgeour - but I think they misread it - the way I read it is that she was warning Lupin that someone was asking questions about the mis-information her and Kingsley were giving about Sirius' location OR about their odd hours as they were taking turns guarding the DOM door.

And if Kingsley was a spy, he could have easily got Harry into trouble as well as DD when Marietta blabbed about the DA - remember he snuck a quick memory modification on her to save Harry and try to prevent his explusion and DD getting into trouble. If he was a spy WHY would he have done it - it would have helped LV if he hadn't and NO ONE would have considered him to have done anything wrong because it wasn't planned - he could have kep t on spying.

I don't think Dung is a spy either - he owes DD bigtime and while he's a bit unsavory, he seems very loyal.

I think Kreacher was the spy for now (and his head needs to be hung on the wall!) and if anything we see that its either a new member in Book 6 OR that someone they try and recruit gives away info. Or hey what about Phineus or Sirius's mother's portraits? We know that Phineus at least could move between the portraits what's to say that Sirius's mom couldn't be doing the same - she is hidden under the curtain most of the time - but could be eavesdropping and feeding Narcissa or Bellatrix?

I truly think she is Pettigrew. He dissappeared a year or so ago, and that's when Tonks got recruited, but also... McGonagall said that there hasn't been anyone made Auror in 3 years, and Tonks became one a year ago! So maybe she's not an auror, but Pettigrew! A death eater!

No ones been taken on for Auror training, but that's different from someone becoming Auror. McGonagall says they haven't taken anyone on in years, hinting to us that Tonks was probably the last one in a while.
But never mind that, I just can't believe Tonks to be a spy. We've had the whole impostor thing before, it's over and done with.

Besides, when asked if Tonks was gonna be around in book 6, JKR answered she would, because she really liked her.
That's proof enough for me.

Actually i believe tonks has been in training for at least four years. It says in OotP that its been like 4 years since any aurors had been accepted. I dont think tonks is a servent of voldemort or peter pettigrew. Tonks is too cool to be a servent of Voldemort. Plus wasent she at the ministry protecting harry and the gang against the death eaters. Tonks seems to nice to follow Voldemort. I dont think Kingsley is bad either he is in the Order and seems to be a really good auror. He was the only good one in dumbledores office the day he left in ootp. Remeber Dumbledore says that he only knocked him out with the others cuz it would be suspicious. I think both tonks and kingsley are good guys but who knows. I think tonks is less likely in my opinion

Surely Mad-Eye would have put Tonks through all sorts of tests to make sure she isn't an imposter and would have been spying on her to make sure she isn't a spy?

This theory isnt bad at all...though i really dont want to believe she could be a traitor, I like her a lot too!!
1. Tonks is a bit too clumsy for a Voldermort helper
Yes, but, the last person we met who was an awkward and seemingly harmless individual(not counting neville:)) was Professor Quirrel. JK could make us all love her, just so we trust her and dont even see it coming if she turns out to be evil.
However, I really dont believe that Tonks or Kingsley are evil. Kingsley is quite self-assured but he is in a high position...he sort of has the right to be:)