Whatever happened to Snape's body?

Excuse me if this topic had already been discussed before (yes, I did use the board's search and was unsuccessful in finding a similar topic) so here is my speculation/question that I have been wondering for quite some time now: whatever happened to Snape's body? I mean, I do not think that Harry would be careless enough to leave it there in the Shrieking Shack and let it rot. And whenever Harry did go back to retrieve it, where did he decide to burry him? On the Hogwarts grounds or elsewhere? My theory is that his body was concealed in a coffin and shipped back to Godric's Hollow where he was burried next to Lily because I really think he deserves that. But this is just my theory. It may not be totally correct. Another question: was Harry the only one who mourned Snape's death? Did the Malfoys even feel a bit of remorse when they learnt of his death, or was he just always considered as the loyal lapdog to them? And was there some kind of funeral held for him whether it was made public, or just among the circle of Harry and his friends, or just Harry alone?

Please discuss in this thread only what happened to Snape's body. Anything else like discussion about Snape's character, his relationship with Harry, the Marauders and Lily should go in their respective threads.

I like to think that Harry went to the Shrieking Shack to retrieve Snape’s body and that that was one of the first things he did as soon as he got up. After Harry revealed Snape’s loyalty to Dumbledore in the Great Hall, I am sure many people must have changed their opinion of him. Therefore, I can’t help but feel that Harry must have given Snape a proper funeral, attended by his friends, the Weasley family, the Order members and the Hogwarts staff. Some of the students might have attended as well.

But I don’t think the Malfoys were there. The only thing that bound Severus to the Malfoys was the whole Death Eaters thing. And once that tie snapped, I bet whatever pretension of friendship the Malfoys showed Severus also snapped. And I am convinced that Severus, for one, never considered himself a friend of that family.

As to where Snape was buried, I have only two guesses- Hogwarts, which could have been Snape’s real home and , yes, Godric’s Hollow.

Excuse me if this topic had already been discussed before (yes, I did use the board's search and was unsuccessful in finding a similar topic) so here is my speculation/question that I have been wondering for quite some time now: whatever happened to Snape's body? I mean, I do not think that Harry would be careless enough to leave it there in the Shrieking Shack and let it rot. And whenever Harry did go back to retrieve it, where did he decide to burry him? On the Hogwarts grounds or elsewhere? My theory is that his body was concealed in a coffin and shipped back to Godric's Hollow where he was burried next to Lily because I really think he deserves that. But this is just my theory. It may not be totally correct. Another question: was Harry the only one who mourned Snape's death? Did the Malfoys even feel a bit of remorse when they learnt of his death, or was he just always considered as the loyal lapdog to them? And was there some kind of funeral held for him whether it was made public, or just among the circle of Harry and his friends, or just Harry alone?

Great questions. :tu:

I would love to know the answers. Perhaps JKR will provide them in her long-awaited Scottish Book. :cool:

Although the text does not expand on the exact nature of Snape's relationship with the Malfoys, it is shown that Draco regards him highly as a teacher (even if Draco was only sucking up :rolleyes: ) and of course we have that Spinner's End scene, in which Narcissa begs Snape, in quite an intimate fashion, to help protect Draco, and calls him 'Severus' (which Bellatrix manifestly doesn't, since she obviously dislikes and distrusts him).

I find it hard to believe that the Malfoys didn't mourn Snape ... even if they might have needed some time to process their complicated feelings about the revelations about him and the truth about where his loyalties really lay. :lol:

I find it impossible to believe that Minerva didn't mourn Severus, after she learned the truth about him from Harry. :sigh: There always seemed to be a sort of respect between Snape and Minerva -- except when she thought he truly had returned to being a Death Eater. :(

So, no, I don't think Harry was the only person who would have felt sad about Snape's death.

And what of Snape's relatives? Surely there would have been some of those at his funeral ... whenever and wherever it took place.

I cannot believe that someone as compassionate as Harry would allow Snape's body to rot in the Shack. :no:

I like to think that Harry and the Order members organised themselves after the big showdown with Voldemort to go to the Shack and retrieve Snape's body ... rather than leave it to the tender mercies of his former DE colleagues wanting revenge. :no: But of course by then the DEs would have been rounded up anyway, by members of the Ministry and the Order, after the Battle of Hogwarts. :cool:

Great topic. :agree: :D

1st of all great topic!

First of all I see a sort of private service attended by a few... Harry and DA and the Order...

a viking funeral pyre for Snape is what I see...
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on the lines of First knight his body be commited to the black lake.

or a funeral pyre

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and his ashes scattered in Godrics Hallow.

I mean, I do not think that Harry would be careless enough to leave it there in the Shrieking Shack and let it rot.

This is a fan theory!

On the Hogwarts grounds or elsewhere? My theory is that his body was concealed in a coffin and shipped back to Godric's Hollow where he was burried next to Lily because I really think he deserves that.

Another proposal I have read (in a fanfic, IIRC) was on the school grounds, next to Dumbledore. That would be less personally meaningul to Snape, perhaps, but would it insofar as he enabled Dumbledore's plan to continue past DUmbledore's death.

But this is just my theory. It may not be totally correct. Another question: was Harry the only one who mourned Snape's death? Did the Malfoys even feel a bit of remorse when they learnt of his death, or was he just always considered as the loyal lapdog to them? And was there some kind of funeral held for him whether it was made public, or just among the circle of Harry and his friends, or just Harry alone?

I am not sure why the Malfoys should feel remorse at his death, they certaintly did nothing I can think of to further it. Sadness, though, I think yes. Draco seems even able to feel gratitude/respect for an enemy that helped him (Harry, in ther Epilogue), so I am sure he would be sad to hear of the death of his esrtwhile favorite teacher, who also tried to help him.

I think you are overlooking a category of persons who might want to attend his funeral - his colleagues at Hogwarts. I think Minerva, for example, regretted her last words to him.

However, what really happened was that once that dunderhead FINALLY left, Snape gulped down the appropriate antivenin, some Blood Replenishing Potion, and some Strengthening Solution, and left. So the body, if anyone did come looking for it, was gone by then. ;)

EDIT: My F key is not working well. I think I found all the missing ones, but if not...try adding an f to what I wrote to see if it makes more sense.

Snape's body is one of the loss ends I think JK rushed in order to get the book out without any more delay, which is too bad.

Personally, I can't see the Malfoys mourning anyone. Lucius is Death Eater; he's cold and only cares about power, appearances, and bloodlines. That's been proven enough throughout the books. Even though Voldemort lost, I doubt Lucius doesn't still feel some sense of loyalty (even if it was only because he thought serving Voldemort was a road to power), and I highly doubt Lucius would have anything but disdain for Snape. He probably views Snape as weak. As for Narcissa, yes, she did beg Snape to save Draco, but that doesn't really say much about her relationship with Snape. I would think any mother would beg anyone they could to save their son if they thought it had a chance of working. Obviously Snape was in a good position to save Draco, and he already had ties to the family, even if they were superficial. Finally, I don't think Draco is mature enough to care for anyone but himself. While he may regard Snape as a good teacher, a lot of his opinions have been instilled in him by the idea of Death Eaters sticking together, and he thought Snape was a Death Eater. Draco's shown nothing but contempt for Dumbledore, so I think his views about Snape would change after learning about Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore.

As for Harry and the rest of the magical community, I don't think many people mourned Snape, even after they learned the truth. I think many people would find it hard to look past the fact that Snape killed Dumbledore, whether it had to be done to save a child (I'm not going to say an innocent child, Draco is far from that) or not. Dumbledore was well-loved by most, and a generally considered a hero. I don't think many would forgive his killer easily. I'm sure Harry did the right thing and saw that Snape was buried, but I don't think he would bury Snape near Lily. He might understand and feel bad for Snape, but I think it would be somewhat disrespectful to his father's memory to bury the man who loved Jame's wife right near the couple.

I would opine that all the bodies were retrieved in the aftermath of the battle. The Malfoys and others knew that some bodies might be found in that particular tunnel and in the shack. But also, it was known that could be true of all of the other tunnels as they had been used to move people around. I figure they would return him to his family - he likely had aunts and uncles and such who would have to be informed, like everyone else who died. Snape had no connections to anyone at Hogwarts, so I imagine he'd be buried with his family. It would have been a disrespectful disgrace to me to place him anywhere in Godric's Hallow as it was Potter owned and he loathed them and disrespected the sanctity of the younger Potter's marriage as well. I doubt they would bury anyone, including Snape at Hogwarts, as that honor appeared to be reserved for those who'd done service for as many years as Dumbledore had. Society would have to be convinced of Snape's true loyalties and that would take a while, so a large funeral was out in any case, imo.

As for Harry and the rest of the magical community, I don't think many people mourned Snape, even after they learned the truth. I think many people would find it hard to look past the fact that Snape killed Dumbledore, whether it had to be done to save a child (I'm not going to say an innocent child, Draco is far from that) or not. Dumbledore was well-loved by most, and a generally considered a hero.

This is not the reason Harry gave in his explanation to Voldemort and the world. He stated that Albus chose the manner and time of his death, and from the rest of the conversation with Voldemort, a bystander would likely conclude that Albus did so in order to muddy the ownership trail of the Elder Wand and keep it away from Voldemort. So the only child, innocent or otherwise, Snape would seem to the world to have saved with the killing of Albus, is Harry himself. :)

(It is also not the reason Snape did it, according to the discussion in the book, it was a mercy killing of a dying man).

I like to think of various scenarios about Snape's death-funeral, and so forth. But I change my mind about it from time to time.

Burial next to Dumbledore on the grounds is sounding good today. I read one story I liked (couldn't recall it at first but it is Olwen's on this page, aptly post #7 (http://www.thehpn.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=3831.0)) in which Harry retrieves Snape's body and makes sure he has a good funeral with a headstone that is ebony marble to contrast with Dumbledore's white tomb.

(A statue of a silver doe nearby would be a nice touch, too. There is a statue of a stag somewhere else on the Hogwarts grounds because Harry sees it in GoF during the Yule Ball.)

Today it also appeals to me that right after the end of the last chapter in DH, Harry would go to Draco and ask him to help retrieve Snape's body. That seems right to me because Snape saved them both.

I don't think Harry would leave Snape's body lying in the Shack when everyone else who died was inside Hogwarts.

This is not the reason Harry gave in his explanation to Voldemort and the world. He stated that Albus chose the manner and time of his death, and from the rest of the conversation with Voldemort, a bystander would likely conclude that Albus did so in order to muddy the ownership trail of the Elder Wand and keep it away from Voldemort. So the only child, innocent or otherwise, Snape would seem to the world to have saved with the killing of Albus, is Harry himself. :)

(It is also not the reason Snape did it, according to the discussion in the book, it was a mercy killing of a dying man).
Ah, okay, it's been a very long time since I have read DH. I only read it once, the day it came out. I'm not sure that a bystander would come to that conclusion though. That's assuming a lot of their knowledge of the Deathly Hallows/The Elder Wand, and I still think people would be hard pressed to see past the part where Snape kills Dumbledore.

Snape's body is one of the loss ends I think JK rushed in order to get the book out without any more delay, which is too bad.

It's certainly a dangling loose end for me. :relax:

Personally, I can't see the Malfoys mourning anyone. Lucius is Death Eater; he's cold and only cares about power, appearances, and bloodlines. That's been proven enough throughout the books. Even though Voldemort lost, I doubt Lucius doesn't still feel some sense of loyalty (even if it was only because he thought serving Voldemort was a road to power), and I highly doubt Lucius would have anything but disdain for Snape. He probably views Snape as weak.

Hmm. I don't think we know enough from canon to say with any certainty. :hmm: While I find Lucius's personal politics utterly deplorable, the man is not completely devoid of human feeling. I find it hard to believe that Lucius and his family would not have been upset, on some level, about Snape's death. But I can't prove so solidly from canon.

As for Harry and the rest of the magical community, I don't think many people mourned Snape, even after they learned the truth. I think many people would find it hard to look past the fact that Snape killed Dumbledore, whether it had to be done to save a child (I'm not going to say an innocent child, Draco is far from that) or not. Dumbledore was well-loved by most, and a generally considered a hero. I don't think many would forgive his killer easily.

But, as Zara says, Harry cleared Dumbledore's 'killer' in no uncertain terms before hundreds of people. :cool: And Harry's word, IMO, carries an awful lot of weight in the Wizarding World. :relax: Judging from how much they fangirl the boy. :rotfl:

Seriously. Harry's vindication of Snape would not make some people ever love Snape :lol: but I do think he would be believed, about clearing Snape's name. :cool:

I'm sure Harry did the right thing and saw that Snape was buried, but I don't think he would bury Snape near Lily. He might understand and feel bad for Snape, but I think it would be somewhat disrespectful to his father's memory to bury the man who loved Jame's wife right near the couple.

I agree that would be ... odd.

Harry, again, accepts that Snape had loved his mother and declares this to a watching audience. :cool: And I have no doubt that he would make sure Snape, in death, was treated with respect. :cool:

But burying Snape near Lily ... hmmm, not sure about that. :shrug: It wasn't like Snape had any connection to Godric's Hollow. :shrug:

Ah, okay, it's been a very long time since I have read DH. I only read it once, the day it came out. I'm not sure that a bystander would come to that conclusion though. That's assuming a lot of their knowledge of the Deathly Hallows/The Elder Wand, and I still think people would be hard pressed to see past the part where Snape kills Dumbledore.

Not really because in "The Prince's Tale" chapter of DH, Harry sees a memory in the Pensieve of Dumbledore insisting that Snape has to kill him, and it's clear that Snape doesn't want to do it because he is worried about tearing his own soul. That's when Harry learns that Dumbledore's death was planned, but also Dumbledore knows he only has one year to live anyway because of his blackened horcrux hand - and Snape is shown fussing at him for nearly dying from that. Snape didn't want Dumbledore to die, from the evidence given in DH.

This question makes me think about how spys are treated after wars- especially double agents. It also make me think about how War Hero Legends are made. Both are rather interesting discussions in themselves.

For most double-agents in WWII the outcome was not good. Some where not discovered until years after their death. Some were tried and convicted by the same governments they spied for. This was the risk they took.

If Snape had lived, What Snape did for Dumbledore was taboo to say the least. It would not be easy to argue the case -especially since the only evidence for it would be Harry's own word.

Sure, Snape would be known as a Hero by anyone who heard Harry speak that day in the great hall- but how that would come across in the general public that was suffering the aftermath of a war is hard to say. How could they know the extent to which Snape went to protect Harry and work for the Order in the same way that Harry did? Probably not. (Surely Harry would not have gone on around the talk show circuits discussing Snape's love for Lily.) No, Something tells me Snape would not receive immediate recognition for his work and understanding would not come until many years later- when someone respectable like Hermione wrote a good book about him.

They most annoying/internesting thing about Snape death - and lack of info about his body- is the fact os that his portrait did not appear in the Headmaster's office immediately after his death. To me this was a huge plot hole- and IMO Rowling's excuse was thin. The idea that "Snape had effectively abandoned his post before dying" falls flat with me (if Dumbledore had died while out hunting down a horcrux- would have been qualified as 'abandonment?'.) In order to fight FOR the Order, and FOR Hogwarts - Snape was placed as Headmaster under unfriendly rule- in order to protect the school. Being in such a position it was impossible to appear to fight with the Hogwarts Staff and continue Dumbledore's mission.
The magic that puts those portraits up- was there to witness his conversation with Dumbledore and all those previous Headmasters knew what Snape's mission was. He accomplished it. The castle would know this- or whatever magic it is that makes the portraits appear like Dumbledore's did after his death.

Also if Harry could come back and argue for Snape's portrait to be installed by request, as Rowling requested, then Snape's presence on those "august" walls could not have been that unwelcome.

But the good thing about this (lack of) plot point- is that this leaves a nice hole for fanfic writers to argue- "Oh see, body not found + portrait not present =Snape lives." I can't help but feel that JKR would be aware of the possibility for those Snape fans.

I also hope that his body just wasn't left there, and I pretty much assume that it wasn't. I would think that Harry would at least tell someone where to go and retrieve it, even if he didn't go himself... though personally I think he might do so.

I also feel the best place for burial would be on the Hogwarts grounds, perhaps near Dumbledore's tomb. Godric's Hollow didn't even enter my mind. That location doesn't work for me at all, really.

As for who would possibly retrieve it? My top three would be Harry, Mcgonagall (to support Harry and show some respect to her former colleague who was on her side all along) and Draco.

People attending the funeral... I can see remaining members of the Order, the trio, and other students from Hogwarts attending... and IMHO, probably the Malfoy family as well.

I kind of agree with Bscorp about the portrait thing, btw. It doesn't quite make sense that his portrait wouldn't appear there because he "abandoned his post". I feel the magic surrounding the castle and the Headmaster would be privy to the truth about what was going on with Snape... So much of what was worked out between him and Dumbledore happened within the Headmaster's officer or within the castle grounds if not its walls. So, IMHO, the magic should have had the same effect as when Dumbledore died.

I mean it's nice that JK Rowling said Harry would make sure Snape would get a portrait and clear his name, but it also would have been really neat for the portrait to just be there at the end, even if it was quiet or taking a nap like Dumbledore's was.

Hmm. I don't think we know enough from canon to say with any certainty. :hmm: While I find Lucius's personal politics utterly deplorable, the man is not completely devoid of human feeling. I find it hard to believe that Lucius and his family would not have been upset, on some level, about Snape's death. But I can't prove so solidly from canon.

But, as Zara says, Harry cleared Dumbledore's 'killer' in no uncertain terms before hundreds of people. :cool: And Harry's word, IMO, carries an awful lot of weight in the Wizarding World. :relax: Judging from how much they fangirl the boy. :rotfl:
Concerning Lucius, you're right, I can't prove it as an absolute, but from what we've seen of him, I wouldn't be too surprised if he had no feelings. I honestly can't remember an instance in all of the books where he shows any feelings other than anger/disdain/disappointment/frustration, etc. In other words, I don't think we've ever seen any genuine caring or sadness from him. If you can point out an instance where we have, I'd be really curious about it. :)

Also, it's been forever since I read DH, would someone with the book mind reminding me exactly what Harry says concerning Snape during the final fight with Voldermort?

Not really because in "The Prince's Tale" chapter of DH, Harry sees a memory in the Pensieve of Dumbledore insisting that Snape has to kill him, and it's clear that Snape doesn't want to do it because he is worried about tearing his own soul. That's when Harry learns that Dumbledore's death was planned, but also Dumbledore knows he only has one year to live anyway because of his blackened horcrux hand - and Snape is shown fussing at him for nearly dying from that. Snape didn't want Dumbledore to die, from the evidence given in DH.
Oh no, I know Snape didn't want Dumbledore to die, and I know Harry understands. What I'm saying is that only Harry saw that memory, not the wizarding world as a whole, and I doubt Harry would put it on display since it was something private and personal. That memory carries a lot of weight, and I'm sure if the people saw it, they would probably forgive Snape, but the question is, did they see the memory?

Sure, Snape would be known as a Hero by anyone who heard Harry speak that day in the great hall- but how that would come across in the general public that was suffering the aftermath of a war is hard to say. How could they know the extent to which Snape went to protect Harry and work for the Order in the same way that Harry did? Probably not. (Surely Harry would not have gone on around the talk show circuits discussing Snape's love for Lily.) No, Something tells me Snape would not receive immediate recognition for his work and understanding would not come until many years later- when someone respectable like Hermione wrote a good book about him.
Thank you, you've said what I've been trying to in a much clearer way. ^.^

They most annoying/internesting thing about Snape death - and lack of info about his body- is the fact os that his portrait did not appear in the Headmaster's office immediately after his death. To me this was a huge plot hole- and IMO Rowling's excuse was thin. The idea that "Snape had effectively abandoned his post before dying" falls flat with me (if Dumbledore had died while out hunting down a horcrux- would have been qualified as 'abandonment?'.) In order to fight FOR the Order, and FOR Hogwarts - Snape was placed as Headmaster under unfriendly rule- in order to protect the school. Being in such a position it was impossible to appear to fight with the Hogwarts Staff and continue Dumbledore's mission.
The magic that puts those portraits up- was there to witness his conversation with Dumbledore and all those previous Headmasters knew what Snape's mission was. He accomplished it. The castle would know this- or whatever magic it is that makes the portraits appear like Dumbledore's did after his death.

Also if Harry could come back and argue for Snape's portrait to be installed by request, as Rowling requested, then Snape's presence on those "august" walls could not have been that unwelcome.

OMG - yes. The whole portrait thing is a huge plot hole, and her answer still leaves me speechless because all the magical portraits must have overheard the talks with Dumbledore. Plus doesn't Dumbledore's portrait get a vote? Or Phineas Nigellus, who knew everything? :rolleyes: I'm one of those readers who wanted that portrait to be there when Harry returned - we had been set up for it by Dumbledore's portrait appearing in Book 6, and then . . . nothing.

*Blood Pressure Rises*

Another reason her answer is lame is that future generations of readers won't know about it, and the book doesn't explain it. Snape did not "leave his post" - he's still basically on the Hogwarts grounds at the end of the book until he gets called to the Shack. And he keeps trying to get back to the castle to find Harry, and pleads with Voldemort about it.

So there's nothing there to show that he meant to abandon his post until he was chased from the school at wandpoint.

I imagine readers in the future will continue to wonder if Snape's body was really dead in the Shack, since his portrait didn't appear. Maybe JKR thought she was giving us hope, but instead it just disappointed me.

I think it's very careless of JKR to just let us know he had died and never mention anything about him again. Snape played such a big part in the murder of Voldemort, I think he deserved to receive some attention for the sacrifice he made.

I mean it's nice that JK Rowling said Harry would make sure Snape would get a portrait and clear his name, but it also would have been really neat for the portrait to just be there at the end, even if it was quiet or taking a nap like Dumbledore's was.

Its presence, or absence, was not mentioned in the text. Harry had eyes for only one portrait, we are told. When I first read the book, I assumed it was there on some other wall, and sleeping. I see no reason to revise this first impression.

Concerning Lucius, you're right, I can't prove it as an absolute, but from what we've seen of him, I wouldn't be too surprised if he had no feelings. I honestly can't remember an instance in all of the books where he shows any feelings other than anger/disdain/disappointment/frustration, etc. In other words, I don't think we've ever seen any genuine caring or sadness from him. If you can point out an instance where we have, I'd be really curious about it. :)

'He saw Lucius Malfoy, who looked defeated and terrified, and Narcissa, whose eyes were sunken and full of apprehension.'

'He saw Ron and Neville bringing down Fenrir Greyback. Aberforth stunning Rookwood, Arthur and Percy flooting Thicknesse, and Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy running through the crowd, not even attempting to fight, screaming for their son.'

Also, it's been forever since I read DH, would someone with the book mind reminding me exactly what Harry says concerning Snape during the final fight with Voldermort?

"Yes, Dumbledore is dead," said Harry calmly, "but you didn't have him killed. He chose his own manner of dying, chose it months before he died, arranged the whole thing with the man you thought was your servant."

"Severus Snape wasn't yours," said Harry. "Snape was Dumbledore's. Dumbledore's from the moment you starting hunting down my mother. And you never realized it, because of the thing you can't understand. You never saw Snape cast a Patronus, did you, Riddle?"

"Snape's Patronus was a doe," said Harry, "the same as my mother's, because he loved her for nearly all of his life, from the time when they were children. You should have realized," he said as he saw Voldemort's nostrils flare, "he asked you to spare her life, didn't he?"

"Of course he told you that," said Harry, "but he was Dumbledore's spy from the moment you threatened her, and he's been working against you ever since! Dumbledore was already dying when Snape finished him!"

So there's nothing there to show that he meant to abandon his post until he was chased from the school at wandpoint.

My blood pressure rises every time I read the chapter title, SIP. :grumble:

If you can point out an instance where we have, I'd be really curious about it. :)

DH, "The Elder Wand". He is desperate for news of Draco.

In addition to likely having some form of attachment to Snape (Narcissa describes Lucius as a very old friend,in "Spinner's End"), at some point Lucius may recognize that he was the guy who sent Snape to Voldemort to be killed. Lucius had of course no idea at the time, nonetheless I think it is an additional reason he might show up for the funeral.

Also, it's been forever since I read DH, would someone with the book mind reminding me exactly what Harry says concerning Snape during the final fight with Voldermort?

Harry explains Snape was always Dumbledore's man since Volemort started to hunt the Potters. He explains Dumbledore chose the time and method of his death, Snape was carrying out his will when he killed him. Then Voldemort explains that Albus ordered Snaep to kill him to keep the Elder Wand out of Voldemort's hands. But Albus failed, mwahaha, Voldmeort continues! He explains he has just murdered Snape and that makes HIM master. Then Harry explains why actually he, Harry, is the master, they cast their spells, and presto! No Voldemort.

My blood pressure rises every time I read the chapter title, SIP. :grumble:

:lol: Mine too.

Its presence, or absence, was not mentioned in the text. Harry had eyes for only one portrait, we are told. When I first read the book, I assumed it was there on some other wall, and sleeping. I see no reason to revise this first impression.

That just didn't occur to me because I knew he was dead and that his portrait should be there. For JKR to omit that still seems like a huge blunder.

But oh well - your version is alot better than her lame excuse. :tu: :)

My blood pressure rises every time I read the chapter title, SIP.
Mine, too. I didn't think Minerva had the ability to hire and fire - or sack - the Headmaster.

B]Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy running through the crowd, not even attempting to fight, screaming for their son[/B].'
DH, "The Elder Wand". He is desperate for news of Draco.
Thank you. :) I'm still a bit skeptical that parental love would translate into concern for Snape, but you could be right.

"Yes, Dumbledore is dead," said Harry calmly, "but you didn't have him killed. He chose his own manner of dying, chose it months before he died, arranged the whole thing with the man you thought was your servant."

"Severus Snape wasn't yours," said Harry. "Snape was Dumbledore's. Dumbledore's from the moment you starting hunting down my mother. And you never realized it, because of the thing you can't understand. You never saw Snape cast a Patronus, did you, Riddle?"

"Snape's Patronus was a doe," said Harry, "the same as my mother's, because he loved her for nearly all of his life, from the time when they were children. You should have realized," he said as he saw Voldemort's nostrils flare, "he asked you to spare her life, didn't he?"

"Of course he told you that," said Harry, "but he was Dumbledore's spy from the moment you threatened her, and he's been working against you ever since! Dumbledore was already dying when Snape finished him!"
Okay, so Snape was cleared in front of most of the Hogwarts students/staff, but that is only a small population of the wizarding world. ;) I do agree that with time, the public as a whole will come around, but I don't know that so soon after everything went down, a lot of people would mourn Snape and show up to the funeral.

I've actually devised in one of my fanfics a funeral for those lost that night.

Over 100 hundred people on the "good" side died according to canon. I would think there would be a collective funeral for everyone. The final battle started on Saturday at midnight. I would think it logical that the funeral would have been Sunday evening, giving people a day to get to Hogwarts and a day to get over some of the shock.

Because many people didn't like Snape, in my fanfic I have him cremated. And the ashes ceremoniously put on the grounds.

Do you guys think it possible that Snape's body was on display at a funeral for all the victims?

We're still on Snape's body only, right? :)

We're still on Snape's body only, right? :)
Merlin, I hope not.... :scared:



Back to the subject: I've never been able to picture the Trio rushing back to get Snape's body - after all, many of their friends died in the battle and, based on what we learn about them until that point - I'd think they took care of their own dead first. *snorts*

If Snarks' body was retrieved (meaning: if it wasn't left to rot there), it was most likely done by some wizarding equivalent of CSI. :rolleyes:

Okay, so Snape was cleared in front of most of the Hogwarts students/staff, but that is only a small population of the wizarding world. ;) I do agree that with time, the public as a whole will come around, but I don't know that so soon after everything went down, a lot of people would mourn Snape and show up to the funeral.

If everyone who fought in the battle showed, would that not already be a big funeral?

If everyone who fought in the battle showed, would that not already be a big funeral?
Point taken, :lol:

Its presence, or absence, was not mentioned in the text. Harry had eyes for only one portrait, we are told. When I first read the book, I assumed it was there on some other wall, and sleeping. I see no reason to revise this first impression.

True. No one called attention to it not being there... I guess it works that Harry may not have noticed it. I can't remember what I thought at the time, I read it, but after I pondered it I had assumed that it wasn't there. You're right though, that is not stated in the text so hey, could have been there. :)

Also, on the not dead and body discussion...

I never really considered Snape not being dead, until I started reading stuff online. I always figured someone must have come back for his body at some point after the battle, and thought it would be a nice touch if Harry was one of those people. I also thought that he would be buried in a similar fashion to what we saw with Dumbledore except with less attendance... maybe just the students and the Order members...

I was thinking that Snape would be put with the rest of the casualties of the war, but I guess I was wrong. I forgot that he was the most important person ever to live and should therefore have his own sacred burial, presided over by the Pope. :rolleyes:

I still think they did with him whatever they did with the rest of the bodies. If they dump all of the other bodies in a hole in the ground but give Snape a big ceremony like everybody's saying, it's only a tiny bit insulting to the memories of everybody else? He's no more important than everyone else who died. Harry doesn't go back to Snape's body because he has more important things to worry about just then- and why should Snape be more deserving than anyone else? Countless people are under the... misconception that Snape is hundreds of times as important as anyone else, and they should basically dedicate the last few pages of the book to him. I respect their opinions with gritted teeth, but I just don't understand it.

I was thinking that Snape would be put with the rest of the casualties of the war, but I guess I was wrong. I forgot that he was the most important person ever to live and should therefore have his own sacred burial, presided over by the Pope. :rolleyes:

I still think they did with him whatever they did with the rest of the bodies. If they dump all of the other bodies in a hole in the ground but give Snape a big ceremony like everybody's saying, it's only a tiny bit insulting to the memories of everybody else? He's no more important than everyone else who died. Harry doesn't go back to Snape's body because he has more important things to worry about just then- and why should Snape be more deserving than anyone else? Countless people are under the... misconception that Snape is hundreds of times as important as anyone else, and they should basically dedicate the last few pages of the book to him. I respect their opinions with gritted teeth, but I just don't understand it.

This thread is about Snape and what happened to his body and not about everyone else, so naturally its focus is on him. I'm not sure anyone is suggesting he is more important than anyone else to the extent that you describe... sorry.

So if people like Lupin, Tonks, Fred, and Colin were buried, and taken care of (and I'm sure they were) then I hope that is what happened to Snape too.

I was thinking that Snape would be put with the rest of the casualties of the war, but I guess I was wrong. I forgot that he was the most important person ever to live and should therefore have his own sacred burial, presided over by the Pope. :rolleyes:

Of course, a Muggle Pope isn't a lot of use to a wizard at his funeral, but the gesture is undoubtedly fine... :rolleyes:

Do we actually know what happened with any of the dead? :huh:

Do we actually know what happened with any of the dead? :huh:

Not in terms of final disposition, no. But for the fallen at the castle, we know the bodies were collected into one place, laid out, and friends, family members, and anyone else so moved visited with and mourned over the bodies. Based on the evidence throughout the series that Wizarding burial customs are not dissimilar form those of Muggles, we can even go so far as to presume that these other dead were all disposed of in some manner we would find reasonably fitting and familiar.

Merlin, I hope not.... :scared:

:rotfl:

I forgot that he was the most important person ever to live and should therefore have his own sacred burial, presided over by the Pope. :rolleyes:

:err:

I still think they did with him whatever they did with the rest of the bodies. If they dump all of the other bodies in a hole in the ground but give Snape a big ceremony like everybody's saying, it's only a tiny bit insulting to the memories of everybody else?

Er, nobody has suggested that the people who died bravely in the Battle of Hogwarts should be dumped in a hole in the ground. :huh: I naturally assume that all those who died in the battle would be given high honour.

This thread is about Snape and what happened to his body and not about everyone else, so naturally its focus is on him. I'm not sure anyone is suggesting he is more important than anyone else to the extent that you describe... sorry.

So if people like Lupin, Tonks, Fred, and Colin were buried, and taken care of (and I'm sure they were) then I hope that is what happened to Snape too.

Exactly. :tu:

Of course, a Muggle Pope isn't a lot of use to a wizard at his funeral, but the gesture is undoubtedly fine... :rolleyes:

:lol::lol::lol:

Wow! I'm thrilled with how deep everyone is digging into this topic! Thanks for all the neat posts! I didn't expect to receive two pages of replies so quickly! And just to wrap up my general response: looking over all the posts, some have stated that JKR left some large plot holes in the 7 book in that some find irritating or unnecessary. True, I must agree, however, I think that shows she is a good writer. If a writer tied all loose ends of the thread, then there wouldn't be anything left for fic or discussion by the general public of readers.

Wow! I'm thrilled with how deep everyone is digging into this topic! Thanks for all the neat posts! I didn't expect to receive two pages of replies so quickly!

You chose a great topic. :D

It's just one of those scenarios which is fun to speculate on. :agree:

Hey, thanks! This question has been bugging me for quite some time now and I was just curious as to what other people would think about the speculation.

I've actually devised in one of my fanfics a funeral for those lost that night.

Over 100 hundred people on the "good" side died according to canon. I would think there would be a collective funeral for everyone. The final battle started on Saturday at midnight. I would think it logical that the funeral would have been Sunday evening, giving people a day to get to Hogwarts and a day to get over some of the shock.

Because many people didn't like Snape, in my fanfic I have him cremated. And the ashes ceremoniously put on the grounds.

Do you guys think it possible that Snape's body was on display at a funeral for all the victims?

I got the same feeling as well... Send me the fic please... I am curious how you cremated his body... Darth Vader style?

I'm not sure. I don't think it was Hogwarts. It could have been Godric's Hollow. Any suggestions about the Order of the Pheonix? He was in it...

To see him buried beside Lily...I would absolutely love it. I do wish that would have been the case.

I could see James rolling around in his grave. :lol:

I agree about the magic of the castle not lining up with what happened in the story. My thought of what Hogwarts would think about Severus Snape's last day lines up with what Harry, and Dumbledore, and everyone else at the castle after they heard from Harry, thought. I can't see his body just lying there when everything that needed to be known was said. His fight was there, and I couldn't understand when he didn't have a portrait. Zg, as much as I want to take your opinion about it, it's a grave mistake in my book. No one with any honor given in our story would leave him lying in the Shack, or accept him not having a portrait.

Dags, I love everything you say!

To see him buried beside Lily...I would absolutely love it. I do wish that would have been the case.

I could see James rolling around in his grave. :lol:Snape is a little bigger than just seeing James rolling in his grave. Not needed. I think lying next to Dumbledore, with Harry's words, is perfect.

No one with any honor given in our story would leave him lying in the Shack, or accept him not having a portrait.

Many characters 'with honor given in our story' would be perfectly happy to leave Snape without a portrait. Though I suspect you might be right about the body. Once they actually remembered it, that is... :rolleyes:

Dags, I love everything you say!

Not sure how I merited the praise, but it's appreciated nonetheless. :lol:

I think lying next to Dumbledore, with Harry's words, is perfect

For some reason reading about this particular arrangement induces a hillarious mental picture of dead Snape trying to claw his way out of the grave, trademark scowl and all. Talk about 'adding insult to the injury'... :elaugh:

Though I agree Hogwarts grounds would've made the perfect resting spot, if one could block out all the racket the students made. :relax:

Yeah, I'd have to say Snape would probably be at Hogwarts. Maybe not next to Dumbledore, but pretty close.

I honestly can't see Harry having Snape buried next to Lily and James at Godric's Hollow. Snape would have hated being that close to James even in death, I think. And I apologize for projecting my feelings onto Harry, but if I found out that a person who had behaved hatefully toward me had an unhealthy, obsessive love for my mother over a decade after her death, even though she was happily married to my father, I wouldn't want him (Snape) buried near her (Lily) either.

There are so many fanfics about the relationship between Snape and Lucius that it's hard for me to strip it all away and come up with any ideas about how the Malfoy's would react to Snape's death, and whether they would take any interest in the disposition of his body. If Snape really was a "lapdog" of Lucius, by which I would take it to mean that Snape looked up to Malfoy and always followed his advice, I would think that Lucius would reward that percieved loyalty by affording Severus a decent burial. But I don't think the characters, as represented in canon, are really like that at all. I expect it was just another way for Sirius to insult Severus by using that phrase.

My own reasoning on the thread title would be this: How about burying him next to Eileen Prince, his witch mother? Would he have called himself the half-blood Prince if he had no filial love for Ms. Prince? (forgive if I'm misusing the Latin;))

I have a feeling Harry buried him either next to Dumbledore's body at Hogwarts, since Snape was close to Dumbldore. Or he was buried, as someone said, next the Lily and James, since Snape was close to Lily.

Well, hopefully, someone would get him out of the shack. I think it's unlikely that Harry would forget all about him, seeing as he spent a great deal of time in the final chapter singing Snape's praises to Voldemort.

I think Hogwarts would probably be the best place for him. That was where he was most productive and useful, and it (at least temporarily) served as a haven from his unhappy home life. Harry makes this point when he compares the Abandoned Boys of Hogarts and mentions the large role the castle had in all three men's lives.

Placing him near Lily, while a possibility, strikes me as a little off. Not because three's a crowd, but because he seems to have at least accepted that she married someone else (as evidenced by him using her married name in TPT). I never got the impression he tried to crowd in on her life after she rejected him; rather, it seemed her safety-- and later, her son's-- was his main concern after leaving the DEs.
It was more her memory that kept him going, so I think he could live with not being buried near her physical body. He'd see her in the afterlife anyway. ;)

I'd say yes He was recovered and buried on school grounds.

I believe the Malfoys would mourn snape's death. Draco was asking about Crabbe when they escaped from the fire in the RoR. also, I thought in the Prince's tale, when Snape joined the Slytherins at their table, Lucius clapped him on the back, like he approved of Snape joining the group. I guess, Snape would be buried on Hogwarths' grounds, not in a huge marble tomb, but in a smaller one. After all, he was Headmaster, and Harry did manage to get a portrait of Snape made. (how was this done?) As for the funeral, the invitation went out, and the staff showed up and any students that wanted to would show up.

Well, hopefully, someone would get him out of the shack. I think it's unlikely that Harry would forget all about him, seeing as he spent a great deal of time in the final chapter singing Snape's praises to Voldemort.

I think Hogwarts would probably be the best place for him. That was where he was most productive and useful, and it (at least temporarily) served as a haven from his unhappy home life. Harry makes this point when he compares the Abandoned Boys of Hogarts and mentions the large role the castle had in all three men's lives.

Placing him near Lily, while a possibility, strikes me as a little off. Not because three's a crowd, but because he seems to have at least accepted that she married someone else (as evidenced by him using her married name in TPT). I never got the impression he tried to crowd in on her life after she rejected him; rather, it seemed her safety-- and later, her son's-- was his main concern after leaving the DEs.
It was more her memory that kept him going, so I think he could live with not being buried near her physical body. He'd see her in the afterlife anyway. ;)

You made an extremely good point here. So far, I believe your response has been the most believable and likewise.

After finding out the truth about Snape, they probably recovered his body and buried him with the same dignity as Dumbledore. Snapes a hero in my book, and I think Harry would probably make sure he was given a proper buriel as a sort of repayment for that and the fact that Harry was never really nice to him.

They went back and buried it, I suppose.

whatever happened to Snape's body?

No one knows. His body is not with those who died in battle. So one can speculate IMO. Sometimes I think Snape instead of dying fell unconcious and then he somehow saved his life with the help of some bezoar/potions he had on him. :)

Another question: was Harry the only one who mourned Snape's death? Did the Malfoys even feel a bit of remorse when they learnt of his death, or was he just always considered as the loyal lapdog to them? And was there some kind of funeral held for him whether it was made public, or just among the circle of Harry and his friends, or just Harry alone?

If Snape really died, I think the Malfoys would have mourned him and I hope people like McGonagall and others felt sad too. They were willing to believe the worst of Snape and seeing that he was on their side all the time, I hope they would mourn his death too. That is if he really died at that time. :)

No one knows. His body is not with those who died in battle. So one can speculate IMO. Sometimes I think Snape instead of dying fell unconcious and then he somehow saved his life with the help of some bezoar/potions he had on him. :)

Well, according to JKR, he is well and truly killed off, T_G_W. :hmm:

I adore the fanon theories about how Snape could have survived -- wonderful fanfic territory :tu: -- but according to canon, he did die.

Well, according to JKR, he is well and truly killed off, T_G_W. :hmm:

I adore the fanon theories about how Snape could have survived -- wonderful fanfic territory :tu: -- but according to canon, he did die.

:D :D Not in the Books Pearl_Took. Snape does not appear dead anywhere in the Books, so I think its fun to speculate here.

'The hand holding Harrythudded to the floor and Snape moved no more' DH - The Elder Wand.

Even here we can assume Snape simply fell unconcious. LOL!

:D :D Not in the Books Pearl_Took. Snape does not appear dead anywhere in the Books, so I think its fun to speculate here.

Oh, I agree it's fun. :)

But I believe his creator thinks he's dead. ;)

:D :D Not in the Books Pearl_Took. Snape does not appear dead anywhere in the Books, so I think its fun to speculate here.

'The hand holding Harrythudded to the floor and Snape moved no more' DH - The Elder Wand.

Even here we can assume Snape simply fell unconcious. LOL!

I am not going into a what's canon and what's not discussion, but we need to take JKR's word for it that he is indeed dead.

After finding out the truth about Snape, they probably recovered his body and buried him with the same dignity as Dumbledore. Snapes a hero in my book, and I think Harry would probably make sure he was given a proper buriel as a sort of repayment for that and the fact that Harry was never really nice to him.

Your post just made my day, mcgonagall! :) Thanks!

could have been possible for the horcrux snake to have ate him voldemort always talked in parselmouth about dinner to nagini?

could have been possible for the horcrux snake to have ate him voldemort always talked in parselmouth about dinner to nagini?

I don't think so, seeing that Harry and Hermione spoke to Snape after Voldemort and Nagini left. And then, Nagini got her head cut off by Neville.

Your post just made my day, mcgonagall! :) Thanks!

Your welcome! :cool: I always liked Snape, except for at the end of HPB before I read DH (which made me very happy). Anyways, he definately deserves a good buriel, maybe even a portrait...he was a headmaster after all.

After finding out the truth about Snape, they probably recovered his body and buried him with the same dignity as Dumbledore. Snapes a hero in my book, and I think Harry would probably make sure he was given a proper buriel as a sort of repayment for that and the fact that Harry was never really nice to him.

I would agree with this. After all, Harry found a new respect for Snape that day, and even went so far as to name one of his sons after him. I even wonder if he may have been buried in Godric's Hollow, near Lily, because of his undying devotion to her? :hmm:

I would agree with this. After all, Harry found a new respect for Snape that day, and even went so far as to name one of his sons after him. I even wonder if he may have been buried in Godric's Hollow, near Lily, because of his undying devotion to her? :hmm:
Yeah. I think there are probably only two places they would bury Snape. Either, like you said, in Godric's Hollow or near Dumbledore, because Snape too was a fallen hero/headmaster.

They left it to rot in the Shrieking Shack.


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What do you mean, what happened to his body? I'm sure they buried it properly when they found out the truth, lol.

I believe that Harry had it discovered and taken out of the Shrieking Shack and then had it laid to rest either somewhere next to Dumbeldore's or maybe even Gorics' Hollow near his parent's grave for Snape's never-ending love of Lily, which is quite sweet to think about, isn't it?

I would go more with Godric's Hollow. Snape loved Lily almost his entire life, his devotion to Hogwarts came later.

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that harry explained everything to the teachers and he was buried wit honor.

Well, if his parents were still alive, wouldn't they decide what happened to it? I always got the impressionthey died early or something. Any other family he had is never mentioned.

What body? :whistle:

Also if Harry could come back and argue for Snape's portrait to be installed by request, as Rowling requested, then Snape's presence on those "august" walls could not have been that unwelcome.


Which begs the question- who or what, exactly, does Harry argue with to get this done? The walls of the headmaster's office? Why would they listen to him? He's not even a professor and has no authority. Besides, they already know the true score.
This is just highly unlikely.
I also agree- this was a last minute, contrived excuse to try to fill in a forgotten gap, like many others in DH. It would've been better if JKR simply admitted she didn't think about it when writing it, or didn't feel it was important to the story. No big.

Yes, I would like to think that Harry went back, got Snape and gave him a proper burial. I have no idea where that burial place would be, I think it would be nice to bury him in a place that meant something to him and Lily, like somewhere on the grounds where they spend a lot of time together, but that is probably highly unlikely and totally my own personal desire. But after what Harry witnessed in Snape's memories, and his declaration to Voldemort and the crowd of Snape's love for his mom, I would guess that Harry understood Snape's relationship with his mom. I don't think he would go as far as burring Snape next to his mom, but would perhaps find a way to bury him in a place that would mean something to Snape.

I just hope Voldemort didn't feed Snape's body to Nagini. :(

Whatever happened to Snape's body? Wow, that is an interesting question. I think the Ministry would come to take his body to somewhere in Hogwarts. They'd make sure he'd be treated with respect. As to where they would bury him, I think he'd be laid to rest at Hogwarts. It was his only home since he was a young Child. Ok, he did have his HOUSE to go to during the Summer months, Holidays, etc, but I never got the idea he was welcomed there, was made to feel adored, safe, etc. As morbid as this sounds, I think it would be a constant reminder to the Students about the impact he made on the school. As romantic as the idea of being laid to rest next to Lily sounds, I honestly don't think it would be possible. I don't think he'd get as many visitors. Plus, I got the notion Godrick's Hollow and the Cemetery were James and Lily were laid to rest was more of a tourist destination and a place for curious on-lookers to go than for people to pay their respects to them. Plus, it sort of came across as a place filled with shame. Snape would not want people to gawk at his grave site, have that "The poor, poor man", etc. At least at Hogwarts I get the idea he'd on an even footing with Dumbledore and other Professors who taught there. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be buried next to Lily, I just don't see it as a possibility.
There definitely would be some sort of a State Funeral for him, as well as for the others who died fighting the Death Eaters, facing Voldemort, etc. Of course many people would attend his funeral, especially the Students, because regardless of how they felt about him, he was their Professor, a member of the Staff, etc. Yeah, I even see the Malfoys attending the Funeral. He did help Narcissa in Spinners End and did help Draco.

I've believed it that Harry went back for Snape's body and he was buried on Hogwarts ground. I think it would be a little disrespectful for him to have been buried next to Lily. Yes he did love her but he hated James, it just wouldn't seem right for him to have been married next to the man he hated's wife regardless if he loved her.

For his funeral I belive it would be very few people just maybe Hogwarts teachers and The Order. Though he was slightly close to the Malfoy's I can't see Lucius directly leaving his old ways and attending the funeral of someone he probably saw as a traitor. Narcissa would most likely stand by her husband, Draco on the other had I could see attending the funeral in secret from his parents but keeping to himself. Draco seems to have matured a bit and would probabley have want to pay respects to the man who saved his life in one way or another.

I don't think his body would've been buried in Hogwarts. He did sacrifice a lot, but it was mostly for Lily. Unlike Dumbledore, who truly cared for his students and the school. Hogwarts is a school, not a cemetary. I'm kind of thinking either near his house, or that they had a special cemetary for all of those who died because of Voldemort. Like the graves for soldiers of World War II, and how they were all put together in the Great Hall.

I definitely like the idea that he was buried at Godrics Hollow. It just makes since. I mean, Lily was his reason for doing all that he did, I think that in the end, he should end up with her.

I just hope Voldemort didn't feed Snape's body to Nagini. :(

Fortunately, there was no opportunity for that to happen as HRH were right there with Snape after Voldie and the snake left the Shrieking Shack.

I think that Snape would have had a will or something somewhere that probably mentioned where he wanted to be buried. I think it unlikely that he would be buried in Hogwarts or next to Lily.
Dumbledore was an exception because he spent his whole life in the school and was also an exceptional wizard that did a lot of things for wizardkind. Burying Snape next to Lily would also mean that he was buried next to James, a man he loathed for all his life.

I am sure Harry made sure he had a proper burial. I mean Rowling says Harry made sure the truth was known of Snape and that he got a portrait in the Headmaster/mistress office. So I can not see him not having made sure Snape had a finale resting place/funeral. Being buried in Godric Hollow would have been a nice touch since it was his Love for Lily that made him protect Harry. He wouldn’t have had to be buried right next to her certainly that would depend if there was even burial space right next to her. For all we know he might have been laid to rest where ever his wizarding side of the family the Prince’s were buried.

They left it to rot in the Shrieking Shack.

xD Hilarious!

No, really, I think that they give him a proper burial along with all the other fallen heros of the war, but I highly doubt that he was buried in the school, because, as FluorescentQ said, HOgwarts is a school not a cementery. But maybe, all the corpses were buried near the school (not in it), and together, all war fallen heros together.

Burying next to Lily would be very disrespectful not only for Snaoe, but for James. They loathed each other. Besides, even if Snape loved Lily, Lily didn't love him back.

Burying next to Lily would be very disrespectful not only for Snaoe, but for James. They loathed each other. Besides, even if Snape loved Lily, Lily didn't love him back.

Right, it makes no sense at all for him to be buried there. I doubt that he would want to be! :no: Hopefully there is a Prince burial plot where he can be laid to rest.

Hogsmeade has to have a cemetary and Snape would probably be buried there or wherever his mother's family is buried. Unless he has a real connection to Godric's Hollow he wouldn't be taken there and he probably wouldn't be laid to rest on Hogwarts grounds like Dumbledore since he probably didn't request it and also didn't have the history with the school Dumbledore did.

Hogsmeade has to have a cemetary and Snape would probably be buried there or wherever his mother's family is buried. Unless he has a real connection to Godric's Hollow he wouldn't be taken there and he probably wouldn't be laid to rest on Hogwarts grounds like Dumbledore since he probably didn't request it and also didn't have the history with the school Dumbledore did.

It would be nice if he could be buried at Hogwarts, but not very likely. Even though Harry has revealed that Prof. Snape was DDM (well, Lily's!) all along there are still a lot of people who hate his guts and would oppose any attempt to bury him at Hogwarts. In light of that attitude I'm thinking it might be a good idea for him to have an unmarked grave, with just a select few actually knowing where it is.

I can imagine him cremated and placed in a jar on the Headmistress' desk.
Or that the paintings in the Head's office have a secret body chamber behind them, they just pull back the portrait and levitate Snape into his tomb.

Another question; What ever happened to Voldemort's body? Probably burned and sunk in the Inferi lake.

Another question; What ever happened to Voldemort's body? Probably burned and sunk in the Inferi lake.

Interesting, but off topic here.

I think Snape's body was cremated in Hogwarts grounds as he was also a headmaster...I think every student witnessed his burial.

I would hope he had a proper funeral and burial. He was such a great man...

I'd like to think that Harry found some way to retrieve his body and even if he didn't then someone did (I'm sure it's not still lying in the Shrieking Shack, someone would have come across it by now). I believe Harry would lobby for a proper burial for Snape, my belief is that he's buried on the grounds (maybe even next to Dumbledore). I think the trio and the surviving Weasley were witness to the burial but I'm not sure if the whole school would be present since many of them were probably still iffy about Snape despite Harry and Voldemort's talk. But I'm almost positive he was buried on the grounds, after all: Harry did note in DH that Snape felt Hogwarts was his true home.

True. And while Snape was actually a double agent. He spent time dishing out creulty as a headmaster under Voldemort's regime. He won't be prized; no matter how hard Harry honours him.

I thought it said that Nagini ate the body. I could be wrong, but I think I remember that. If not, he was probably either cremated and scattered over Hogwarts or buried by Dumbledore.

I thought it said that Nagini ate the body. I could be wrong, but I think I remember that.No, you're mistaken. He couldn't have talked to Harry if Nagini did that.

I thought it said that Nagini ate the body. I could be wrong, but I think I remember that. If not, he was probably either cremated and scattered over Hogwarts or buried by Dumbledore.

No, although I can see how that mistake could be made. The way Nagini trapped Snape in that bubble could kinda sound like she ate him. But Harry saw Snape die after Nagini left with Voldemort and left his body in the Shack. I'm curious about the cremation theory though...Do they cremate remains in the Wizarding World? (they may have mentioned it somewhere and I missed it) Although I suppose cremation is a pretty old universal tradition.

well, Harry apparently found a way to have Snape's portrait put up in the Headmaster's office, didn't he? i would imagine Harry would also arrange for a proper burial for Snape.

I would hope that Sanpe's funeral was something similar to what DD's funeral was like, however I know that this was probably not the case.

I imagine it was probably a private ceremony probably only attended by the trio, the Weasley's, and the Order. I can't imagine anyone else coming...possibly the staff at Hogwarts.

As for the form of burial, I kind of get the impression that Snape was one who wanted others to know of his achievments so I think he would prefer a burial over cremation. However, being a Headmaster at Hogwarts, I would hope he would be buried on the grounds.

Was a Hogwarts graveyard for Headmasters or others ever mentioned?

-JR

I think Snape's funeral would probably be a smaller affair, attended by people like the Trio and the order, as others of you have said. It seems that Harry would work hard to honor him, but the wizarding world at large would probably be hard to convince. The people that really fought in the war and everything however, would probably attend once they learned the whole story.

I don't believe that there is a Hogwarts graveyard or anything, because McGonagall mentions in HBP that Dumbledore is the only Headmaster to ever ask to be buried at Hogwarts, so I'm not really sure if they would bury Snape there or not. It's an interesting question though. It's complicated, much like Snape's mysterious character.:eyebrows:

Yeah since Snape didn't get a chance to request where to be buried I guess it would be up to Harry since he would probably step up to take care of it.

I doubt Spinner's End would be it but I think someone mentioned Godric's Hollow near Lilly. This is possible I guess but would a Slytherin want to be buried with a bunch of Gryffindors?

-JR

I thought it said that Nagini ate the body. I could be wrong, but I think I remember that. If not, he was probably either cremated and scattered over Hogwarts or buried by Dumbledore.

Perhaps you're thinking of Charity Burbage who was eaten by the nasty Nagini.

Yeah since Snape didn't get a chance to request where to be buried I guess it would be up to Harry since he would probably step up to take care of it.

I doubt Spinner's End would be it but I think someone mentioned Godric's Hollow near Lilly. This is possible I guess but would a Slytherin want to be buried with a bunch of Gryffindors?

-JR

I don't think Snape expected to die when he did. Voldemort kind of sprang his "the Elder Wand won't obey me until I kill you" theory very late in the story, before Snape had a chance to make any requests should he die. As others have noted, I doubt that Harry, if given the choice, would bury Snape at Godric's Hollow, especially near Lily. He might have respect for Snape, but I doubt he'd bury him there, as to do so would really be an insult to James's memory, in my view.

Also, I think he'd have an unmarked grave, somewhere secret, maybe deep within Hogwarts. I would expect that his grave would be the target for desecration, not just by people who still though he was a bad guy, but by Voldemort's old supporters that weren't immediately rounded up at the end of the battle.

I think that Harry would have told everybody the truth and held Snape a proper funeral. Though one thing that might not be so fun about that is, who would have anything nice to say. Maybe besides Harry and the trio and some Slytherins. Though I think his grave would be in Godric's Hollow, near Lily's, but it would probably be unmarked because having "Snivellus"'s body buried so near his father's would be an insult to James's memory.

I think that Harry would have told everybody the truth and held Snape a proper funeral. Though one thing that might not be so fun about that is, who would have anything nice to say. Maybe besides Harry and the trio and some Slytherins.

I hope the teachers including McGonagall will say something nice, not to mention the Order members and Harry and Hermione of course, and the Malfoys. All of them owe a lot to Snape and I hope they won't forget it. :)

Though I think his grave would be in Godric's Hollow, near Lily's, but it would probably be unmarked because having "Snivellus"'s body buried so near his father's would be an insult to James's memory

Godric's Hollow is a nice resting place for Snape, but I hope he will be buried near his mother, where ever she was laid to rest.

I don't understand why it should be unmarked; I hope the Potters would be grateful to Snape, seeing that the Potters would not have a son to remember them, if it weren't for Snape's request to Voldemort and Snape's work for the Order later on.

I don't understand why it should be unmarked; I hope the Potters would be grateful to Snape, seeing that the Potters would not have a son to remember them, if it weren't for Snape's request to Voldemort and Snape's work for the Order later on.

If he hadn't reported the prophecy to Voldemort, they might never have died. I'm pretty sure neither Lily or James would've been impressed that he pretty much made them a marked family, more so than any other Order member. We could go on about whether his redemption was sufficient to atone for his wrongdoing, but I'm sure this isn't the thread for it.

I inferred that his grave would be unmarked because there are still loads of people who hated him. Dumbledore's man or not, plenty of wizards, both good and bad, would have a bone to pick with him. The very fact that he killed Dumbledore, even as an act of mercy, would give him a dodgy reputation with the wizarding community. Not everyone would be as forgiving as Harry. As such, his resting place would probably be the target of vandalism and desecration, as the resting place of a highly unpopular or hated figure would be.

Even if it might be a target (as Dumbledore's might and was for that matter) how about adding some security (people or spells), rather than giving the man an unmarked grave as if he didn't exist? Some people may not have liked him but he isn't Voldemort. And if the people on the "good side" trusted Dumbledore's and Harry's opinions and knowledge on his character and events that happened, then maybe there would be more understanding from those people. Also, I really would have a low opinion of people on the "good side" if they went around desecrating graves simply because they didn't like someone. Again, he isn't on the level of Voldemort as far as I'm concerned.

Personally, I like the idea of him buried at Hogwarts, and security spells could be put around his and Dumbledore's tombs/graves quite easily.

JMHO.

If he hadn't reported the prophecy to Voldemort, they might never have died.

That IMO is debatable. Snape came in time to warn them in my opinion. Sure, that was a mistake, but one that could have been rectified, seeing Dumbledore kept Harry safe from DEs for 13 years and then from Voldemort for the next 3. They could have lived, had they not been betrayed.

I'm pretty sure neither Lily or James would've been impressed that he pretty much made them a marked family, more so than any other Order member.

For the mistake he made, Snape worked for the rest of his life to atone for it. The mistake could not be undone, but that IMO does not take away the future contribution that Snape made, which helped the Potters son to survive and win the war IMO.

I inferred that his grave would be unmarked because there are still loads of people who hated him.

I hope his grave will be marked; Snape did no wrong and I think his grave should show that. :)

Not everyone would be as forgiving as Harry. As such, his resting place would probably be the target of vandalism and desecration, as the resting place of a highly unpopular or hated figure would be.

Not if there are charms in place on the tomb to avoid vandalism. Plus what boushh said. :)

posted by boushh
Personally, I like the idea of him buried at Hogwarts, and security spells could be put around his and Dumbledore's tombs/graves quite easily.

Snape at Hogwarts beside Dumbledore is also nice. :)

I'm uncomfortable with the idea of Severus having an unmarked grave.

I also can't help thinking that there would be people, other than just Harry & the Malfoys, who would have good things to say about him, just as there would be people who I think would deeply regret their mistrust of him when the truth comes to light; his colleges and some former pupils if no one else.

just as there would be people who I think would deeply regret their mistrust of him when the truth comes to light; his colleges and some former pupils if no one else.

:agree:

Especially Hogwarts teachers who spent close to 20 years with him and yet were willing to think ill of him in a second, without having the tiniest doubt whatsoever.

I hope Snape's grave will show what a Hero he was. :) :agree:

I'm uncomfortable with the idea of Severus having an unmarked grave.

I also can't help thinking that there would be people, other than just Harry & the Malfoys, who would have good things to say about him, just as there would be people who I think would deeply regret their mistrust of him when the truth comes to light; his colleges and some former pupils if no one else.

I very much agree. :tu:

Well, I guess we can agree to disagree then, Green Woods. To me, I never thought Snape expected to be honored or his actions extolled after Voldemort died. How could he be? Even after Harry revealed his true allegiance to the fighters at Hogwarts, it's not like people would suddenly have a favorable opinion of him. Most students have years of ingrained hatred towards Snape. It's not going to disappear overnight. Plus, most of the wizarding world thought him a scoundrel. At best, the wizarding community would have, in my view, a grudging respect for him for really sticking it to the Dark Lord in the end, but they would never hold him in the same light as Dumbledore.

I think the most probable burial place for him would be somewhere in the Forbidden Forest, a dark, cool patch of woods nestled in the bushes and trees. A memorial plaque would probably be installed in the Shrieking Shack, too, similar to the Potter's Cottage at Godric's Hollow, signifying the spot where he died and outlining his actions against the Dark Lord.

But do I think the wizarding community will immediately change their view of Snape? Probably not. In time, probably. But not immediately.

Snape would have been famous for his role in the war-- especially after Harry's announcement in the great hall, his insistence that the man get a portrait, and naming his second son after him. It would be terrible PR to not mark his final resting place, whether some individuals liked him or not.

Most students have years of ingrained hatred towards Snape. It's not going to disappear overnight.

Actually, I don't think they did "hate" him with an intensity that would cause them to desecrate his grave. There were teachers I had at school that I said I hated, but I have no desire to jump up and down on their grave or desecrate them. To act like that out of a feeling hatred for a person after they are dead is very disturbing and in my opinion would make them a very sick person indeed, which in my experience most people are not. It is just not normal behaviour.

I think the most probable burial place for him would be somewhere in the Forbidden Forest, a dark, cool patch of woods nestled in the bushes and trees.

I don't mind where he is buried, as long as it is not in a place, where people will forget it soon. Deep in the Forest, he would be forgotten soon, and I think that's not the right place for him. :)

A memorial plaque would probably be installed in the Shrieking Shack, too, similar to the Potter's Cottage at Godric's Hollow, signifying the spot where he died and outlining his actions against the Dark Lord.

This is a nice idea :)

I would like this in Hogwarts than in the Shack, where students will see and learn about a man called Snape and how much his contribution helped the Boy Who Lived to win the war.

But do I think the wizarding community will immediately change their view of Snape? Probably not. In time, probably. But not immediately.

I think it depends on Harry and Dumbledore's efforts in that direction. I think Harry will make sure Snape gets the right press and that he is honoured properly. :)

Have answered the rest of your post in the Snape Legilimency threads. :)

Actually, I don't think they did "hate" him with an intensity that would cause them to desecrate his grave. There were teachers I had at school that I said I hated, but I have no desire to jump up and down on their grave or desecrate them. To act like that out of a feeling hatred for a person after they are dead is very disturbing and in my opinion would make them a very sick person indeed, which in my experience most people are not.

Nah, I didn't imply that students specifically would desecrate his grave, but rather members of the wizarding community: disgruntled survivors, ex-Death Eaters still on the run, etc.

I guess I'm simply a cynic, haha. I just don't see Snape escaping the legacy of a lifetime of living in the shadows with dubious, unconfirmed loyalties unblemished, even with Harry vouching for him. I simply don't think Snape will ever be at the receiving end of too much hero worship.

me, I never thought Snape expected to be honored or his actions extolled after Voldemort died.

I would agree that Severus didn’t expect to be honoured or have his actions extolled but that doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t, or wouldn’t, do so.

How could he be? Even after Harry revealed his true allegiance to the fighters at Hogwarts, it's not like people would suddenly have a favorable opinion of him. Most students have years of ingrained hatred towards Snape. It's not going to disappear overnight.

I think it is easy to forget that students other than Harry did appreciate Severus as a teacher, the Slytherins seemed rather supportive of him, Ernie Macmillan seemed to have a good opinion of them, and the twin's used spells they had copied from him (remember that cauldron cleaning thing they used to clear up after the pucking pastels for one!) – If we can see all this in a few years through the ‘Harry filter’ then what about all those other years he was teaching?

Plus, most of the wizarding world thought him a scoundrel.

Why? We don’t really have much evidence what the wizarding community as a whole thought of him, just what some DE some Order members and some of DA, which leaves a lot of people unaccounted for.

His ‘murder’ of Dumbledore is not something that was widely acknowledged – remember he was cleared by the MoM very soon after Dumbledore’s death.

At best, the wizarding community would have, in my view, a grudging respect for him for really sticking it to the Dark Lord in the end, but they would never hold him in the same light as Dumbledore.

Many people are never held in the same light as the extra famous leaders and thinkers etc but they are still respected.

I think the most probable burial place for him would be somewhere in the Forbidden Forest, a dark, cool patch of woods nestled in the bushes and trees.

I can see that some fanatical DE would not appreciate him but I tend to think that they would be too busy trying to stay out of the way of aurors to waste time desecrating Snape’s grave. Besides which this doesn’t seem like a good reason to hide someone’s grave or make it unmarked – that’s what people do when they want to obliterate any sign of someone’s existence, and I don’t think Severus Snape should be forgotten he is the proof that even when we err, how ever gravely we can still come good in the end.

But do I think the wizarding community will immediately change their view of Snape? Probably not. In time, probably. But not immediately.

Well we partially agree any way :lol:

Not buried in Godric's Hollow, not if I can help it:tu:

Maybe in some quiet, old cemetary near Hogsmeade or Hogwarts or something? IDK. But James would not let him in Godric's Hollow, let alone there would be the whole awkward Lily thing:whistle:

Nah, I didn't imply that students specifically would desecrate his grave, but rather members of the wizarding community: disgruntled survivors, ex-Death Eaters still on the run, etc.

I still don't see many, if any wishing to do such a thing. But maybe I think that people in general have a respect for the dead no matter if they liked them or not. Anyway, I don't see it as a problem as if he was buried at Hogwart, the general public and certainly ex- Death Eaters on the run are not going to be able to have access to the grounds, as they are always protected from intruders.

Nah, I didn't imply that students specifically would desecrate his grave, but rather members of the wizarding community: disgruntled survivors, ex-Death Eaters still on the run, etc.

I guess I'm simply a cynic, haha. I just don't see Snape escaping the legacy of a lifetime of living in the shadows with dubious, unconfirmed loyalties unblemished, even with Harry vouching for him. I simply don't think Snape will ever be at the receiving end of too much hero worship.

Harry named his son after Snape, so an unmarked grave is out of question, IMO. And don't forget that many would have heard the tete between Harry and Voldemort in the great hall where Harry clearly says that Snape was on the 'Light' side. And never underestimate the power that Harry would have had over the Wizarding World post the Hogwarts battle and one word from him vouching for Severus' role would be enough, IMO. :)

And never underestimate the power that Harry would have had over the Wizarding World and one word from him vouching for Severus' role would be enough, IMO.

Agreed. I think Harry would be quite influential, actually. The WW was so supportive of him before the second war, that I can't imagine them not being so after he defeated Voldemort.

Have answered the rest of your post in the Snape Legilimency threads.That was a very good idea, thanks! In fact we do not need yet another discussion about Snape being seen as finally good or finally bad in here. Let's keep that out of here, please. :)

I'm sure Harry took care of Snape being properly buried. And I think it was at Hogwarts - he was a Headmaster, after all!

And don't forget that many would have heard the tete between Harry and Voldemort in the great hall where Harry clearly says that Snape was on the 'Light' side. And never underestimate the power that Harry would have had over the Wizarding World post the Hogwarts battle and one word from him vouching for Severus' role would be enough, IMO. :)

I imagine that tete a tete between Harry and Voldemort would have been splattered all over the front of The Daily Prophet the next day.Snape was a hero of the war and I think Harry would have made sure everyone knew about his role in defeating Voldemort. I can't see Harry not making sure he had a proper burial.

Nah, I didn't imply that students specifically would desecrate his grave, but rather members of the wizarding community: disgruntled survivors, ex-Death Eaters still on the run, etc.

Oh, okay. His grave can still be protected with spells IMO.

I guess I'm simply a cynic, haha. I just don't see Snape escaping the legacy of a lifetime of living in the shadows with dubious, unconfirmed loyalties unblemished, even with Harry vouching for him. I simply don't think Snape will ever be at the receiving end of too much hero worship

Have answered in the Snape LS threads. :)

Maybe in some quiet, old cemetary near Hogsmeade or Hogwarts or something? IDK. But James would not let him in Godric's Hollow, let alone there would be the whole awkward Lily thing:whistle:

Well seeing James could do nothing about Albus Severus , I think he can be easily overruled in Godric's Hollow too. :D

Even if many wizards keep their doubts about Snape, I don't see this as a reason of not having a decent grave. Not a monument to a Great Hero, maybe, but just a decent grave, to honour his memory as it should be.

That was a very good idea, thanks! In fact we do not need yet another discussion about Snape being seen as finally good or finally bad in here. Let's keep that out of here, please. :)
Sorry, I didn't see the warning before my last post. I've answered on the Snape thread in Legillimency Studies also. :)

I think that he was probably stuffed. I'm not laughing.

I think that he was probably stuffed. I'm not laughing.

Neither am I.

As to where Snape was buried, I have only two guesses- Hogwarts, which could have been Snape’s real home and , yes, Godric’s Hollow.

I definitely think it was retrieved by Harry. Nobody else (alive) apart from Ron and Hermione knew the way into the shrieking Shack or knew where he was.
He would be buried, but I don't think Hogwarts - They were hesitant to bury DD there. And I don't think he was buried in Godric's Hollow no matter what he would have liked.
He was probably buried along side the other aurors/adults that died in battle