Little Questions Answered v16.

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Are Fred and George one year older than Ron, or two? I'm sure I could find the info on my own, but I'm just too laaaaaaaaaaazy.

Are Fred and George one year older than Ron, or two? I'm sure I could find the info on my own, but I'm just too laaaaaaaaaaazy.

Two years older. They were born in 1978 and Ron was born in 1980. And when they are collecting Harry to go to see the world cup word is around that Fred and George didn't get enough owls, so they were going in their sixth year as the trio was going in their forth.

Two. When Harry and Ron start, they're in their third year already. Also, Mrs. Weasley complains in book four about them not getting enough O.W.L.s, so we can assume that the year before (Harry and Ron's third) was their fifth year.

Thank you. :)

Who was the last person to own Rowena Ravenclaw’s Diadem?

Where is Professor Flitwick’s Office Located?

Who was the last person to own Rowena Ravenclaw’s Diadem?

Where is Professor Flitwick’s Office Located?

nevermind i already found the answer. :)

Who was the last person to own Rowena Ravenclaw’s Diadem?

Where is Professor Flitwick’s Office Located?



nevermind i already found the answer. :)

Just incase anyone else needs to know:

Helena Ravenclaw stole the diadem from her mother and ran off to Albania where it was hidden in the hollow of a tree, until Voldemort reclaimed it.

Flitwick's office is on the seventh floor and is the thirteeth window from the right of the West Tower. Dumbledore mentions it in PoA.

'Sirius is locked in Professor Flitwick's office on the seventh floor.Thirteenth window from the right of the West Tower.'

I would be really happy if someone could explain this for me, cause I can´t get it out of my mind. In the last chapter of the last book, why hadn´t Harry offered Teddy to live with him before and why did he do it when Teddy is like one year from being an adult?

Maybe before Teddy was of age he had to live with blood relations, but when he was of age he could choose for himself

Here is what JKR said about Teddy's living situation:
Tineke: Did teddy grow up living with his grandmother?
J.K. Rowling: Yes, Teddy was raised by Andromeda.
J.K. Rowling: However, unlike Neville, who was also raised by his grandmother
J.K. Rowling: Teddy had his godfather, Harry, and all his father's friends in the Order, to visit and stay with.
Also, Harry did not offer Teddy to live with his family in the Epilogue:
"He already comes round for dinner about four times a week," said Harry. "Why don't we just invite him to live with us and have done with it?"
I do not think Harry was being serious here, since Teddy was likely still living with Andromeda and, being of age, would soon be on his own.

In CoS, Wood wakes Harry up at the crack of dawn to start the first Quidditch practice (which is interrupted by the Slytherins). How did Wood wake Alicia, Angelina and Katie up for the practice?

In CoS, Wood wakes Harry up at the crack of dawn to start the first Quidditch practice (which is interrupted by the Slytherins). How did Wood wake Alicia, Angelina and Katie up for the practice?

Perhaps he had told them the night before as he knew he wouldn't be able to get into the dormitory. Or he could've found another girl who may have been up to go and wake them.

I don't know for sure

Maybe Wood just bellowed up the girl's staircase lol :lol:

Maybe Wood just bellowed up the girl's staircase lol :lol:

:lol: I can see that happening, or zooming up to their window on his broomstick and rapping on the glass. In reality though, it was probably as Rush said, that he had told them the night before, though it does make me wonder why he didn't just tell Harry the night before as well.

:lol: I can see that happening, or zooming up to their window on his broomstick and rapping on the glass. In reality though, it was probably as Rush said, that he had told them the night before, though it does make me wonder why he didn't just tell Harry the night before as well.

Yes exactly! But something just crossed my mind ... how do the students all know when to wake up on time? Because alarm clocks wouldn't work, would they? Unless they have their own versions, like the wireless radio and the purple megaphones? But I have never heard of an alarm clock being used in the wizarding world ... unless I skipped over it? So how do they all wake up on time for breakfast and their lessons in the mornings!?

Yes exactly! But something just crossed my mind ... how do the students all know when to wake up on time? Because alarm clocks wouldn't work, would they? Unless they have their own versions, like the wireless radio and the purple megaphones? But I have never heard of an alarm clock being used in the wizarding world ... unless I skipped over it? So how do they all wake up on time for breakfast and their lessons in the mornings!?

I honestly don't know? I mean I guess we can assume they had alarm clocks? Though everytime Harry wakes up...like on Christmas morning...it doesn't say he wakes up to the beeping of his alarm clock.

Maybe it's a wizard thing? Their wand zaps them awake?

I honestly don't know? I mean I guess we can assume they had alarm clocks? Though everytime Harry wakes up...like on Christmas morning...it doesn't say he wakes up to the beeping of his alarm clock.

Maybe it's a wizard thing? Their wand zaps them awake?

Hmmm no I don't think so, I don't remember Harry ever waking up to an alarm clock at Hogwarts, only at the Dursleys. Harry has been woken up by Peeves, Dobby, Ron snoring, Wood and Hermione. But they can't account for every other day of the week.

Because alarm clocks wouldn't work, would they?
There are alarm clocks that don't need electricity to run, although I suppose you young 'uns have never seen one. ;) :lol: Muggles have to wind them up, but I'm sure wizards would have a self-winding version.

In CoS, Wood wakes Harry up at the crack of dawn to start the first Quidditch practice (which is interrupted by the Slytherins). How did Wood wake Alicia, Angelina and Katie up for the practice?

Prehaps as the Quidditch Captain he has access to the Gals Dorms :hmm: or something like Hermione's Gold coin that the Gal players get so they can know when the captain wants them up ?
Or maybe there is a magical intercom system ,that allows the guys/Capt. to talk to the Gals Dorm rooms from the bottom of the stairs ?.

Hmmm no I don't think so, I don't remember Harry ever waking up to an alarm clock at Hogwarts, only at the Dursleys. Harry has been woken up by Peeves, Dobby, Ron snoring, Wood and Hermione. But they can't account for every other day of the week.

In HBP, when Harry used Levicorpus and woke Ron up by dangling him in the air, Ron told him that he'd rather he set the alarm next time. So it was indicated that they had alarm clocks. Probably the wind up kind or something magical.

Oh - and we also have this from DH.

The Dursleys, who had listened to all of this with looks of utter incomprehension on their faces, jumped as a loud voice screeched, “Hurry up!” Harry looked all around the room before realizing that the voice had issued from Dedalus’s pocket watch.

So I would go with them having alarm clocks that were magical and told them it was time to get up.

Prehaps as the Quidditch Captain he has access to the Gals Dorms :hmm: or something like Hermione's Gold coin that the Gal players get so they can know when the captain wants them up ?
Or maybe there is a magical intercom system ,that allows the guys/Capt. to talk to the Gals Dorm rooms from the bottom of the stairs ?.

Well, there is the Sonorus charm that Ludo Bagman used to magnify his voice when doing announcements for the World Cup and the tournament. ;)

I'd say it's more likely that he either told them the night before or made arrangements for one of the other girls to wake them up. Actually, I could see Hermione already being up and studying at that hour. :lol:

In CoS, Wood wakes Harry up at the crack of dawn to start the first Quidditch practice (which is interrupted by the Slytherins). How did Wood wake Alicia, Angelina and Katie up for the practice?

They woke themselves up?

I can't see why Wood or any Quidditch Captain should take responsibility for waking up his or her team members. If they're old enough to play a potentially lethal game, they're old enough to wake themselves up at the right time!

Perhaps he told Sir Nick to fly through them or something! I'm sure it must feel like being doused with icy water. :D

What would happen if a Dementor came across a horcrux? Would they be able to detect the piece of soul within? And if so, would this not be another way of destroying a horcrux?

So I would go with them having alarm clocks that were magical and told them it was time to get up.

Also in the incident when Peeves wakes Harry up by blowing into his face, Harry looks over at his clock to read the time. I can't remember what book it's in though, so I can't give an exact quote.

Barty Jr, said he was starting to fight the Imperious Curse after a while, and his father, too. So, do you develop some kind of 'immunity' to it?

Also in the incident when Peeves wakes Harry up by blowing into his face, Harry looks over at his clock to read the time. I can't remember what book it's in though, so I can't give an exact quote.

Ah, yes! I had forgotten about that. That was in POA - right before the Quidditch match.

Peeves puffed out his cheeks, blew hard, and zoomed backward out of the room, cackling.

Harry fumbled for his alarm clock and looked at it. It was half past four.

I went ahead and looked up the one with Ron where Harry did Levicorpus on him in HBP as well.

There was another flash of light, and Ron fell in a heap onto his mattress.

“Sorry,” repeated Harry weakly, while Dean and Seamus continued to roar with laughter.

“Tomorrow,” said Ron in a muffled voice, “I’d rather you set the alarm clock.”

So they did have alarm clocks. I guess the next question would be how did the alarm wake them? :lol:

I thought that didn't work, maybe Ron was being sarcastic...

I thought that didn't work, maybe Ron was being sarcastic...
The old fashion ones would work, after all Colin's camera did work in Hogwarts as well.

Barty Jr, said he was starting to fight the Imperious Curse after a while, and his father, too. So, do you develop some kind of 'immunity' to it?

I suppose that's possible. If you're constantly fighting against the curse, something is bound to happen. In Crouch Jr.'s case, I think that either he managed to build up a resistance to it because of his constant struggles, or the curse itself was weakened due to the passing of many years, or the increased stress felt by his father, the originator of the curse.

I don't think that anyone can be immune to the curse, but they can definitely build up a resistance to it, as we say when Harry managed to throw off the curse completely after many trials from the fake Moody.

In CoS how is it that Voldy's horcrux (the diary) is able to suck Harry up and have him experience Voldy's memories of the past? It reminded me of a pensieve but I'm not exactly sure how it's possible to do pensieve-like things by mere contact of a soul.

Haha, sorry if that didn't make much sense~

In CoS how is it that Voldy's horcrux (the diary) is able to suck Harry up and have him experience Voldy's memories of the past? It reminded me of a pensieve but I'm not exactly sure how it's possible to do pensieve-like things by mere contact of a soul.

Haha, sorry if that didn't make much sense~I think he stored memories in the diary, like you would a pensieve, but it also contained a piece of his soul. The memory he showed Harry was just a memory, but the part that communicated with and controlled Ginny, and eventually escaped the diary, was the piece of his soul.

I'm not sure if this has been answered previously so sorry if it has, but I am just re-reading GoF, and Hermione uses 'Lumos' in the forest when they are hiding from the riot. How is this possible, without Hermione getting into trouble? Is it because there were so many other wizards around, that no one would be able to tell who cast Lumos? There are other parts in the books where students cast Lumos when they are at home and underage, but I can't remember right now.

@ BurrowGhoul, Mostly what I was referring to was how Harry was physically transported into Voldy's memories. One normally can't do that without a pensieve which is why I was confused~

@ ally, I was just wondering that! At the beginning of the PoA movie (I don't remember if it's the same in the book) Harry uses Lumos to read a book under his blanket and nothing is made of it. I don't know what makes Lumos special :whistle:

I'm not sure if this has been answered previously so sorry if it has, but I am just re-reading GoF, and Hermione uses 'Lumos' in the forest when they are hiding from the riot. How is this possible, without Hermione getting into trouble? Is it because there were so many other wizards around, that no one would be able to tell who cast Lumos? There are other parts in the books where students cast Lumos when they are at home and underage, but I can't remember right now.
There were too many people during the WC, for them to find out who casted which spell. The underage spell thing is set on the location and not on the single person. So like when Dobby casted a spell in CoS, Harry got into trouble because he was supposed to be the only Wizard in that area.

@ BurrowGhoul, Mostly what I was referring to was how Harry was physically transported into Voldy's memories. One normally can't do that without a pensieve which is why I was confused~

@ ally, I was just wondering that! At the beginning of the PoA movie (I don't remember if it's the same in the book) Harry uses Lumos to read a book under his blanket and nothing is made of it. I don't know what makes Lumos special :whistle:
But that is exactly what happened with the penseive-- Harry actually went into the courtroom, and sat right next to Dumbledore.

@ ally, I was just wondering that! At the beginning of the PoA movie (I don't remember if it's the same in the book) Harry uses Lumos to read a book under his blanket and nothing is made of it. I don't know what makes Lumos special :whistle:

I wouldn't base anything off of the movie. Had it remained faithful to the book, Harry would have gotten a notice from the Ministry and may even have been expelled. It is not like that in the book.

Mostly what I was referring to was how Harry was physically transported into Voldy's memories. One normally can't do that without a pensieve which is why I was confusedI'm pretty sure that was just in the movie, I don't recall Harry being "sucked in" in the book.

At the beginning of the PoA movie (I don't remember if it's the same in the book) Harry uses Lumos to read a book under his blanket and nothing is made of it. I don't know what makes Lumos special :whistle:It's not the same in the book. The movies sometimes don't follow the "rules" so they are not generally considered to be canon. :)
In Hermione's case, there were so many wizards there it would have been impossible to determine who cast the spell, and if they were of age. That's why they thought Harry had cast the Dark Mark, but only because his wand was used. Otherwise they had no way to tell.

I'm doing a movie marathon at the moment so that's why they're so fresh in my mind, thanks for pointing out the movies' innacuracies :p

What would happen if a Dementor came across a horcrux? Would they be able to detect the piece of soul within? And if so, would this not be another way of destroying a horcrux?

I think the Dementor will be able to detect it, but not destroy it.

Hermione said a Horcrux is the complete opposite of a person. A person can be killed but the soul remain unharmed. In the same way, a Dementor can suck the soul from a person but not harm the body. Conversely, the soul and the physical object housing it are bound together in a Horcrux. Utter destruction (destruction beyond magical repair) of the physical object destroys the soul, so unless the Dementor can destroy the object in such a thorough manner, I don't think it can extract the soul component.

@ ally, I was just wondering that! At the beginning of the PoA movie (I don't remember if it's the same in the book) Harry uses Lumos to read a book under his blanket and nothing is made of it. I don't know what makes Lumos special :whistle:

Yes but that only happens in the movie. There are other parts in the books that I just can't think of right now, where either Harry, Ron or Hermione use Lumos, and they aren't at school, but they aren't surrounded by other wizards either. Damn I hate my memory sometimes ... I cannot think of where it is in the books!

I'm pretty sure that was just in the movie, I don't recall Harry being "sucked in" in the book.


Actually he is. After a lengthy written 'conversation', Tom tells Harry he can show him what happened with the CoS was opened fifty years before. Harry agrees and what happened follows:

The pages of the diary began to blow as though caught in a high wind, stopping halfway through the month of June. Mouth hanging open, Harry say that the little square for June thirteenth seemed to have turned into a miniscule television screen. His hands trembling slightly, he raised the book to press his eye against the little window, and before he knew what was happening, he was tilting forward; the window was widening, he felt his body leave his bed, and he was pitched headfirst through the opening in the page into a whirl of color and shadow.

He felt his feet hit solid ground, and stood, shaking, as the blurred shapes around him came suddenly into focus.(CoS pg 242, US ed.)

Sounds an awful lot like what happens with a pensieve IMO.

I'm not sure if this has been answered previously so sorry if it has, but I am just re-reading GoF, and Hermione uses 'Lumos' in the forest when they are hiding from the riot. How is this possible, without Hermione getting into trouble? Is it because there were so many other wizards around, that no one would be able to tell who cast Lumos?

I agree, that there are so many adult wizards around that it would be impossible to distinguish exactly who cast the spell. Also, I think the Ministry would be much more concerned with the other events that occured that night. :)


I was just wondering that! At the beginning of the PoA movie (I don't remember if it's the same in the book) Harry uses Lumos to read a book under his blanket and nothing is made of it. I don't know what makes Lumos special :whistle:

This scene is not the same in the book as the film.


It was nearly midnight, and he was lying on his front in bed the blankets drawn right over his head like a tent, a torch in one hand and a large leather- bound book (A History of Magic, by Bathilda Bagshot) propped up open against the pillow. Harry moveed the tip of his eagle -feather quill down the page, frowning as he looked for something that would help him write his essay,'Witch Burning in the Fourteenth Century Was Completely Pointless - discusss.'

I'm not sure if this has been answered previously so sorry if it has, but I am just re-reading GoF, and Hermione uses 'Lumos' in the forest when they are hiding from the riot. How is this possible, without Hermione getting into trouble? Is it because there were so many other wizards around, that no one would be able to tell who cast Lumos? There are other parts in the books where students cast Lumos when they are at home and underage, but I can't remember right now.

I did a search through my books.

PS/SS - no mention of Lumos at all.

COS - they use Lumos in the forest and when they go into the chamber - both at Hogwarts.

POA - Harry used it when he ran away from the Dursleys, saw the dog, and the Knight Bus showed up. But he had also blown up Aunt Marge a few minutes before and Fudge opted to let his use of magic slide in that instance because of the circumstances with Sirius escaping Azkaban.

All other uses of Lumos were at Hogwarts - Harry used it in the tunnel going to Hogsmeade and he and Ron used it on the grounds a couple of times.

GOF - Hermione uses it during the Death Eater attack at the World Cup. There were a lot of adult witches and wizards about doing magic as well so her spell might not have been noticed. However, that would also qualify as an emergency so it is unlikely she would have gotten in trouble regardless.

Harry uses Lumos at Hogwarts when he sneaks into the library using his Invisibility cloak to do more research on ways to breath under water the night before the second task. He also used it in the maze for the third task.

OOTP - Harry uses Lumos when the dementors attack him and Dudley - as well as the Patronus charm. The Ministry focused on the Patronus charm, but I'd say that Lumos was probably included in the charges of him doing magic that night. But they were able to prove it was an emergency so the charges were dropped.

Harry and Hermione both use Lumos at Hogwarts when they go into the forest with Hagrid to meet Grawp.

HBP - Ron, Ginny, and Neville used Lumos at Hogwarts when Malfoy used the Peruvian Darkness Powder.

DH - There were none until after Harry's birthday so they were all of age.

The only three incidents where Lumos was used away from Hogwarts were in POA, GOF, and OOTP. Fudge opted not to punish Harry for any use of magic in POA because of the situation with Sirius. Hermione's use at the World Cup could have been overlooked because there were other adults around doing magic, but it is unlikely that she would have gotten in trouble for using it during an emergency like that. And Harry was able to prove that his use of magic in OOTP was during an emergency with the dementor attack.

Actually he is. After a lengthy written 'conversation', Tom tells Harry he can show him what happened with the CoS was opened fifty years before. Harry agrees and what happened follows:



Sounds an awful lot like what happens with a pensieve IMO.

It's very similar so my guess would be that Riddle either used the same enchantment as what was used to create a pensieve or one that was similar so the diary would work that way.

I did a search through my books.

PS/SS - no mention of Lumos at all.

COS - they use Lumos in the forest and when they go into the chamber - both at Hogwarts.

POA - Harry used it when he ran away from the Dursleys, saw the dog, and the Knight Bus showed up. But he had also blown up Aunt Marge a few minutes before and Fudge opted to let his use of magic slide in that instance because of the circumstances with Sirius escaping Azkaban.

All other uses of Lumos were at Hogwarts - Harry used it in the tunnel going to Hogsmeade and he and Ron used it on the grounds a couple of times.

GOF - Hermione uses it during the Death Eater attack at the World Cup. There were a lot of adult witches and wizards about doing magic as well so her spell might not have been noticed. However, that would also qualify as an emergency so it is unlikely she would have gotten in trouble regardless.

Harry uses Lumos at Hogwarts when he sneaks into the library using his Invisibility cloak to do more research on ways to breath under water the night before the second task. He also used it in the maze for the third task.

OOTP - Harry uses Lumos when the dementors attack him and Dudley - as well as the Patronus charm. The Ministry focused on the Patronus charm, but I'd say that Lumos was probably included in the charges of him doing magic that night. But they were able to prove it was an emergency so the charges were dropped.

Harry and Hermione both use Lumos at Hogwarts when they go into the forest with Hagrid to meet Grawp.

HBP - Ron, Ginny, and Neville used Lumos at Hogwarts when Malfoy used the Peruvian Darkness Powder.

DH - There were none until after Harry's birthday so they were all of age.

The only three incidents where Lumos was used away from Hogwarts were in POA, GOF, and OOTP. Fudge opted not to punish Harry for any use of magic in POA because of the situation with Sirius. Hermione's use at the World Cup could have been overlooked because there were other adults around doing magic, but it is unlikely that she would have gotten in trouble for using it during an emergency like that. And Harry was able to prove that his use of magic in OOTP was during an emergency with the dementor attack.


Thanks meesha :) I knew there was a couple of times outside Hogwarts, just didn't really think about the explinations and circumstances! Just jumping straight to the conclusion that they should have gotten into trouble! I have a bad habit of doing that :blush:

How much older than Ginny is Bill? In CoS, she stated she has wanted to go to Hogwarts ever since Bill went, but was she even born when he started at Hogwarts?

There are 11 years between them (according the HP lexicon), Bill went to Hogwarts in 1982 when Ginny was just a year old. A bit early to know what Hogwarts is.

There are 11 years between them (according the HP lexicon), Bill went to Hogwarts in 1982 when Ginny was just a year old. A bit early to know what Hogwarts is.
That's what I thought. She probably had just wanted to go as soon as she was aware that Bill was there.

That's what I thought. She probably had just wanted to go as soon as she was aware that Bill was there.

That was my impression. She would have been about 8 when he left Hogwarts. Seven years is plenty of time for her to want to go because of Bill, IMO.

The old fashion ones would work, after all Colin's camera did work in Hogwarts as well.
Colin's camera was disposible, not digitle

Colin's camera worked off the magical atmosphere, so I imagine that alarm clocks could do the same.:)


Cameras, like radios (or, as the wizards call them 'wirelesses' – they're always a bit behind the times when it comes to Muggle technology) do exist in the wizarding world (there's a radio in the Weasleys' kitchen and we know there are cameras because of the moving photographs you see everywhere). Wizards do not need electricity to make these things work; they function by magic, but in the case of such objects the wizards liked the Muggle invention enough to appropriate the idea without adding cumbersome plugs/batteries.
I have an old notebook in which it says dev sol (potion) magic [indecipherable word] photos move. Adept as I am at interpreting my old scribbles, I can tell you that the original idea was that wizards would use a magical developing potion to make their photographs move.

SO... as Colin's batteries can't work in Hogwarts, clearly his camera is running off the magical atmosphere and he is then developing his photographs in the magical potion that causes the figures therein to move. All of which goes to show that Colin has a lot more initiative than I ever realised.

Were the mini-bios and characters from the wizard of the month archive designed by Jo? is that what Hufflepuff looks like to her?

Im sorry if this has already been discussed or answered but i can't find it. Why is Harry Potters scar shaped like a lightning bolt?

I wanted him to be physically marked by what he has been through. It was an outward expression of what he has been through inside. I gave him a scar and in a prominent place so other people would recognize him. It is almost like being the chosen one, or the cursed one, in a sense. Someone tried to kill him; that's how he got it. I chose the lightning bolt because it was the most plausible shape for a distinctive scar. As you know, the scar has certain powers, and it gives Harry warnings. I can't say more than that, but there is more to say.

Awesome, thank you very much!

How does Gringott's work? It seems like anyone can take money out of anyone else's vault with no real authorization whatsoever. Mrs. Weasley got money for Harry. Sirius, as an escaped criminal, was still able to send a letter and buy the Firebolt for Harry. Someone purchased the Nimbus 2000 for Harry-- as a gift, or with his money?

How does Gringott's work? It seems like anyone can take money out of anyone else's vault with no real authorization whatsoever. Mrs. Weasley got money for Harry. Sirius, as an escaped criminal, was still able to send a letter and buy the Firebolt for Harry. Someone purchased the Nimbus 2000 for Harry-- as a gift, or with his money?

As far as I understood it worked based on the keys that open the doors. Hagrid had Harry's key in his first year.
I am supposing Sirius sent his own key and gave his vault number but he introduced himself as Harry Potter.

And Mrs. Weasley didn't take out that gold, Bill did, and he worked there, so it's likely that he could manage.

Oh, and I believe the school payed for Harry's first broom. It wouldn't be nice to buy someone a gift of his own money.

As far as I understood it worked based on the keys that open the doors. Hagrid had Harry's key in his first year.
I am supposing Sirius sent his own key and gave his vault number but he introduced himself as Harry Potter.

And Mrs. Weasley didn't take out that gold, Bill did, and he worked there, so it's likely that he could manage.

Oh, and I believe the school payed for Harry's first broom. It wouldn't be nice to buy someone a gift of his own money.

Actually she did in GoF when the rest were at the Quidditch World Cup, I would assume that Harry gave her his key. (He would not be wanting her to pay for his supplies, even if he paid her back later. He knows that they don't have extra Galleons sitting around).

How does Gringott's work? It seems like anyone can take money out of anyone else's vault with no real authorisation whatsoever. Mrs. Weasley got money for Harry. Sirius, as an escaped criminal, was still able to send a letter and buy the Firebolt for Harry. Someone purchased the Nimbus 2000 for Harry-- as a gift, or with his money?

Like halfbloodsnape said, I think the key is authorisation enough for Gringotts. The key is checked and if its original, then withdrawals are allowed. Anyone with the key is allowed, it looks like. And Gringotts don't recognise criminals. Sirius was declared an escaped criminal (it was before they found him innocent) and yet he could withdraw the money.

What I would like to know is, where he got the key? Did he go to Grimmauld Place?

What I would like to know is, where he got the key? Did he go to Grimmauld Place?

He could've had it at his place. It is never mentioned where it is, but he had a place of his own, he says it to Harry in OotP. There was nobody to claim it after he went into prison. The Ministry probably raided it but I don't suppose they'd take personal items.

Like halfbloodsnape said, I think the key is authorisation enough for Gringotts. The key is checked and if its original, then withdrawals are allowed. Anyone with the key is allowed, it looks like. And Gringotts don't recognise criminals. Sirius was declared an escaped criminal (it was before they found him innocent) and yet he could withdraw the money.


I feel as though I read that Sirius had filled out the order for a withdrawal and had sent it in through Crookshanks . . . :hmm:

He could've had it at his place. It is never mentioned where it is, but he had a place of his own, he says it to Harry in OotP. There was nobody to claim it after he went into prison. The Ministry probably raided it but I don't suppose they'd take personal items.

I thought that the place he was talking about was Grimmauld Place?

Yeah I have always wondered, wouldn't the Goblins think it was suspicious that a cat delivered a note requesting money to be taken out of Sirius's vault, but under Harry's name? Because they would know Sirius's vault number, they would have it on record.

I found the passage in the book:

POA, American version, page 433:
Crookshanks took the order to the Owl Office for me. I used your name but told them to take the gold from my own Gringotts vault.

Perhaps the goblins just haven't memorized who owns which vault. After all, there are hundreds, probably even thousands of them. So perhaps they didn't view the order as very strange. I do wonder how the Owl Office reacted to a cat delievering a letter though. :hmm:

Yeah it is strange ... but wouldn't it strike them as weird? I mean, it's not everyday that a cat wanders in with written instructions and a key to a vault!

Yeah it is strange ... but wouldn't it strike them as weird? I mean, it's not everyday that a cat wanders in with written instructions and a key to a vault!

Exactly, but I think the Goblins don't care. As long as they have the key. Not even Bellatrix's vault was frozen or sealed, which would be the first things which would happen in RL. In the world of magical banking the goblins need only the key, they make payments for everyone.

Exactly, but I think the Goblins don't care. As long as they have the key. Not even Bellatrix's vault was frozen or sealed, which would be the first things which would happen in RL. In the world of magical banking the goblins need only the key, they make payments for everyone.

Yeah I suppose that is true. But what if a key has been stolen and someone walks in with written instructions to take money out of a vault?

Yeah I suppose that is true. But what if a key has been stolen and someone walks in with written instructions to take money out of a vault?

They take the money. It was easy for Molly Weasley to take money from Harry's vault. She did not even need a letter. So, I think if a key is stolen and if the owner of the vault does not make a new key, his vault is fair game, I suppose. Like a stolen credit card.

They take the money. It was easy for Molly Weasley to take money from Harry's vault. She did not even need a letter. So, I think if a key is stolen and if the owner of the vault does not make a new key, his vault is fair game, I suppose. Like a stolen credit card.

Hmm yeah true. Just seems so easy when they are always banging on about theives and how you should never steal and stuff. You would think they would have better security!

Hmm yeah true. Just seems so easy when they are always banging on about theives and how you should never steal and stuff. You would think they would have better security!

Well I suppose the security is all up to the owner of the key. Although I think if he or she reported that his or her key had been stolen to the goblins, there would be some sort of security set up to catch the thief. However, Crookshanks brought the order to the Owl Office, not to Gringotts itself, so the goblins were just following the written instructions on the letter, which is rather odd seeing as anyone could have written it. But I suppose as long as the key is provided, there would be no problems taking money out of someone else's vault.

I have a question. Is your animagus form (If you became one) the same as your patronus?

I wonder if Moaning Myrtle and Prof Binns joined in the final battle at Hogwarts? The other ghosts joined in, but I don't remember if they did.

I have a question. Is your animagus form (If you became one) the same as your patronus?

I suppose it could be. As far as I'm aware, you can choose your Animagus form, so if you wanted, you could make it to match your Patronus, but I don't think they necessarily have to be the same.

Actually , you can't choose what form your animagus takes.



When you turn into an Animagus, can you choose what animal you become? Or does this get "assigned" to you?

JK Rowling replies -> No, you can't choose. You become the animal that suits you best. Imagine the humiliation when you finally transform after years of study and find that you most closely resemble a warthog.
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm

As for your Animagus form being the same as your Patronus, I imagine it is possible But like witchsmart, I don't think they necessarily have to be.

I found the passage in the book:



Perhaps the goblins just haven't memorized who owns which vault. After all, there are hundreds, probably even thousands of them. So perhaps they didn't view the order as very strange. I do wonder how the Owl Office reacted to a cat delievering a letter though. :hmm:

I don't think that would have been all that uncommon actually. Owls were preferred of course, but cats would be useful for that as well. The students were permitted an owl, a cat, or a toad. Though I'm not entirely sure what toads would be used for - or how Ron managed to be allowed to bring a rat. :lol:

Hmm yeah true. Just seems so easy when they are always banging on about theives and how you should never steal and stuff. You would think they would have better security!

I don't think it would have been that easy. The key would be identification for most vaults I think - and there's probably something magical involved there to identify the proper vault. If the key was lost or stolen, I'm sure they had policies in place to handle that - and that could also be used to catch anyone who tried to use it. In that event, I would say the lock would be changed with a new key issued and if anyone tried to use the old key, something would happen to them.

I think the issue with Harry would be a bit different because he was underage up until DH. I think there was most likely an adult placed in charge of his vault until he came of age. My guess would be Dumbledore since he also took charge of where Harry was going to live after his parents were killed. The key was still needed of course, but that would have allowed McGonagall to order a broom for Harry with the money coming from his own vault with Dumbledore's permission.

Sirius most likely just identified his vault by number on the order form for the Firebolt so the shop wouldn't have caught it. Since the Goblins didn't really take any interest in wizarding issues for the most part, they probably didn't care that they received a request from an escaped convict. I'm not even sure if they would have been aware that he was an escaped convict actually.

I have a question. Is your animagus form (If you became one) the same as your patronus?

Jo indicated that it was with this comment.

Robert Dawson for Asda - If you were an animagus, what would you like to be?

JK Rowling: This always amuses me this idea. You see, you do not know what you are going to be until you have done it, so you might spend half a decade trying to turn into an animal and then find out you were a slug or something, which would be most unpleasant.

I gave Hermione my favourite animal, which is an otter. If you wanted to be something impressive, you would probably be something like a stag or a tiger, would you not, I just suspect I might be a guinea pig or something which would be so embarrassing.

Hermione's patronus is an otter and the question was about the animagus form so that indicates that both would be the same. And that makes sense - the animagus and the patronus are similar in that they take an animal form unique to that person.

Okay, that makes sense. However, can your patronus be a magical creature? If so, then is that your animagus as well?

...This has prob'ly already been answered, but is there a fee to attend Hogwarts, or is it free?

Okay, that makes sense. However, can your patronus be a magical creature? If so, then is that your animagus as well?

Dumbledore's Patronus was a Phoenix which is a magical creature.

Hermione's patronus is an otter and the question was about the animagus form so that indicates that both would be the same. And that makes sense - the animagus and the patronus are similar in that they take an animal form unique to that person.

So if you wanted to find out what your Animagus form would be, you could just base it off of what your Patronus is?

So if you wanted to find out what your Animagus form would be, you could just base it off of what your Patronus is?

Possibly. I don't think we can say for sure because Jo's comment there is a bit vague. She indicates that the animagus form and the patronus form would be the same because the question was about the animagus form and she talked about Hermione's patronus. But I don't know if that was intentional or if she switched trains of thought mid-answer. :lol:

That does make sense though, because both are representative of the inner person.

...This has prob'ly already been answered, but is there a fee to attend Hogwarts, or is it free?

It must have been free or very cheap, because the Weasley's sent all seven of thier children there. I didn't hear anything about scholarships, and I think if they had been on scholarship Draco would have mentioned it.

I think Dumbledore told Tom Riddle about it, when he went to the orphanage to tell him that he's accepted at Hogwarts. I can't remember the exact quote though.

RE: Gringotts....

I doubt highly that Goblins care much about Wizard law, so if Sirius sent notice he needed money from his vault they wouldn't care much. What does it matter to them if he's escaped or not? They are big on laws of ownership and tot hem the things in his vault were his and thus he was free to take them if he wanted. I don't see them having much compunction to turn him in or notify anyone that he had made contact.

As for Molly getting money out of Harry's vault... I was under the impression it was fairly common knowledge that Harry was staying with the Weasleys and she was obviously there getting school things for her kids, getting money from Harry's vault for the same isn't that much of a stretch IMO. THe Weasleys were really Harry's guardians in the wizarding world. Had the Dursleys ever gone I doubt they'd had gotten a thing out of there even if they'd been magical.

It must have been free or very cheap, because the Weasley's sent all seven of thier children there. I didn't hear anything about scholarships, and I think if they had been on scholarship Draco would have mentioned it.

Dumbledore told Tom there was a scholarship for those who couldn't afford it.

I got the feeling most of the Weasleys money went towards schooling for the kids...

I think Dumbledore told Tom Riddle about it, when he went to the orphanage to tell him that he's accepted at Hogwarts. I can't remember the exact quote though.

I think this is the only reference made to the issue of money:

HBP, American Version, page 274:
When he had finished, he turned to Dumbledore and said baldly, "I haven't got any money."
"That is easily remedied," said Dumbledore, drawing a leather money-pouch from his pocket. There is a fund at hogwarts for those who require assistance to buy books and robes. You might have to buy some of your spellbooks and so on secondhand, but--"

As far as I can gather from this, entering Hogwarts school is free, as it is for most public schools, and books and other supplies can also be paid for through the school if necessary.

Did the Dark mark completely disappear when Voldemort became Vapormort, or did it just fade to an outline or something? I would think since he wasn't dead it would still be there in some sort of really faded state, but then again surely the ministry would of seen a faded outline of the dark mark on all of the death eaters.

Did the Dark mark completely disappear when Voldemort became Vapormort, or did it just fade to an outline or something? I would think since he wasn't dead it would still be there in some sort of really faded state, but then again surely the ministry would of seen a faded outline of the dark mark on all of the death eaters.

All we know for sure is that Karkaroff said his was getting darker (GoF). For the sake of those running the Ministry, let's hope the DMs completely disappeared whilst Vapormort existed.:relax:

Did the Dark mark completely disappear when Voldemort became Vapormort, or did it just fade to an outline or something? I would think since he wasn't dead it would still be there in some sort of really faded state, but then again surely the ministry would of seen a faded outline of the dark mark on all of the death eaters.
It's likely that it did disappear completely. The wizarding world was very familiar with the Mark from the DE's attacks, so it the Mark on their arms didn't disappear, it would have been very easy for the Ministry to identify and prosecute all the Death Eaters. Which they obviously didn't, since Lucius Malfoy, for one, got away scot free.
And what Snape says in GoF indicates that the Mark vanished completely as well:
Snape strode forward, past Dumbledore, pulling up the left sleeve of his robes as he went. He stuck out his forearm and showed it to Fudge, who recoiled.
"There," said Snape harshly. "There. The Dark Mark. It is not as clear as it was an hour ago, when it burned black, but you can still see it. Every Death Eater had the sign burned into him by the Dark Lord." (Highlighting mine)

It's likely that it did disappear completely. The wizarding world was very familiar with the Mark from the DE's attacks, so it the Mark on their arms didn't disappear, it would have been very easy for the Ministry to identify and prosecute all the Death Eaters. Which they obviously didn't, since Lucius Malfoy, for one, got away scot free.
And what Snape says in GoF indicates that the Mark vanished completely as well:
Snape strode forward, past Dumbledore, pulling up the left sleeve of his robes as he went. He stuck out his forearm and showed it to Fudge, who recoiled.
"There," said Snape harshly. "There. The Dark Mark. It is not as clear as it was an hour ago, when it burned black, but you can still see it. Every Death Eater had the sign burned into him by the Dark Lord." (Highlighting mine)

They knew about the Dark Mark in the sense of the spell that was used to cast it above homes that had been attacked by Death Eaters. But they didn't know that the Death Eaters had all been branded by the mark by Voldemort as a means of communication. When the trio told Sirius about Karkaroff showing Snape something on his left arm, he didn't know what that could have been. Since he was an active member of the Order during the first war, I think he would have known that Karkaroff was showing Snape the Dark Mark if that had been common knowledge. And in that quote you posted I think it's clear that Fudge didn't know - Snape wouldn't have had to tell him that every Death Eater had been branded with it if it was something he already knew, IMO.

Here's what Karkaroff said about it.

“What’s so urgent?” he heard Snape hiss at Karkaroff.

“This,” said Karkaroff, and Harry, peering around the edge of his cauldron, saw Karkaroff pull up the left-hand sleeve of his robe and show Snape something on his inner forearm.

“Well?” said Karkaroff, still making every effort not to move his lips. “Do you see? It’s never been this clear, never since —”

From that, it appears that the mark had simply faded to the point where it was not very clear. When Voldemort checked Pettigrew's arm in the graveyard and said that the mark was back, Harry noted that it's normal appearance was like a "red tattoo" and when it was activated, it burned black. So my guess would be that it simply faded to where it looked like an old scar of some kind and was not distinguishable as the Dark Mark next to the skin. It might not have even been that noticeable because it faded so much.

They knew about the Dark Mark in the sense of the spell that was used to cast it above homes that had been attacked by Death Eaters. But they didn't know that the Death Eaters had all been branded by the mark by Voldemort as a means of communication.

Well I would of thought that the real Moody knew about the mark, and would have told everyone at the mark. Seeing as how he can see through robes, he would of seen the mark on death eaters. Fake Moody was acting in character when when he was talking to Snape when Harry dropped the TWT egg down the stairs and he says

" "'Course Dumbledore trusts you," growled Moody. "He's a trusting man, isn't he? Believes in second chances. But me -- I say there are spots that don't come off, Snape. Spots that never come off, d'you know what i mean?" "

To me, that makes it seem like the mark never came off completely, and that the real Moody knew about the mark. Maybe its possible that the Ministry just didn't take the mark as a 100% chance you are a death eater, maybe they thought he would mark people he captured of something too. Of course if the ministry was stupid enough to believe the likes of the Malfoys weren't true death eaters, I could see them ignoring evidence like a faded dark mark to put someone in Azkaban. And then there is the last option and that it could just be a plot hole.

Well I would of thought that the real Moody knew about the mark, and would have told everyone at the mark. Seeing as how he can see through robes, he would of seen the mark on death eaters. Fake Moody was acting in character when when he was talking to Snape when Harry dropped the TWT egg down the stairs and he says

" "'Course Dumbledore trusts you," growled Moody. "He's a trusting man, isn't he? Believes in second chances. But me -- I say there are spots that don't come off, Snape. Spots that never come off, d'you know what i mean?" "

To me, that makes it seem like the mark never came off completely, and that the real Moody knew about the mark. Maybe its possible that the Ministry just didn't take the mark as a 100% chance you are a death eater, maybe they thought he would mark people he captured of something too. Of course if the ministry was stupid enough to believe the likes of the Malfoys weren't true death eaters, I could see them ignoring evidence like a faded dark mark to put someone in Azkaban. And then there is the last option and that it could just be a plot hole.

But that was the fake Moody saying that. Barty Crouch Jr. would obviously know about the dark mark, but there is no evidence in the text that the real Moody knew of it, is there? :shrug:

Well I would of thought that the real Moody knew about the mark, and would have told everyone at the mark. Seeing as how he can see through robes, he would of seen the mark on death eaters. Fake Moody was acting in character when when he was talking to Snape when Harry dropped the TWT egg down the stairs and he says

" "'Course Dumbledore trusts you," growled Moody. "He's a trusting man, isn't he? Believes in second chances. But me -- I say there are spots that don't come off, Snape. Spots that never come off, d'you know what i mean?" "

To me, that makes it seem like the mark never came off completely, and that the real Moody knew about the mark. Maybe its possible that the Ministry just didn't take the mark as a 100% chance you are a death eater, maybe they thought he would mark people he captured of something too. Of course if the ministry was stupid enough to believe the likes of the Malfoys weren't true death eaters, I could see them ignoring evidence like a faded dark mark to put someone in Azkaban. And then there is the last option and that it could just be a plot hole.

Harry saw the real Moody in the pensieve when he saw the trial memories.

Harry leaned forward so that he could see past Dumbledore. Mad-Eye Moody was sitting there — except that there was a very noticeable difference in his appearance. He did not have his magical eye, but two normal ones. Both were looking down upon Karkaroff, and both were narrowed in intense dislike.

Since Moody did not have his magical eye at that time, he would not have been able to see through the Death Eaters' robes to see the Dark Mark branded on their arm. This was the memory of Karkaroff being brought forth to give names of Death Eaters - some time after Voldemort fell. The Dark Marks would have already been fading and probably already were not very noticeable. So the real Moody would not have had any way of knowing about the Dark Mark tattoo either.

Having the Dark Mark meant that you, when Voldemort had control in the First Wizarding War, were a Death Eater. All of the Death Eaters were tracked by the Ministry and taken into custody, except for the Malfoy's and the families that had gotten free. And Moody knew about the Mark when he was in the Wizagamot with Dumbledore, who had told them all, when Snape's loyalty was questioned, that Snape was a Death Eater turned Spy for Dumbledore.

I didnt skim through the pages, I just looked at what was written most recently.
Sorry if I got the topic completely wrong :lol:

I don't know if knowing Snape had been a deatheater automatically mean that Moody knew about the existence of the dark mark on a deatheater's arm.

Well, including what I said above you, meesha made a good point as well, seeing through the robes and at the Mark, which would mean that at one point, Snape WAS a Death Eater

Whether or not Moody could see through robes at the time is irrelevent, it is whether they could see the dark mark that matters, and whether they used that as evidence.
We already know Snape was a deatheater, he said he was (or at least according to Dumbledore he did)

yes, its as if the world wizarding world knew that snape was a death eater

yes, its as if the world wizarding world knew that snape was a death eater

Snape was called out during the trials but Dumbledore spoke on his behalf. The world did knew he was a DE.

What amazes me so much is how Snape managed to keep such a massive secret from Voldemort! I mean how did he do it! Voldemort is such a strong and powerful wizard, he could have performed Occlumency on Snape if he wanted to! Wonder how Snape did it .... such a brave man!

This was in the movie, OotP. When they showed Bellatrix, just before she broke out of Azkaban, she was licking her arm. I know this wasn't in the book, but I don't know why she was licking her arm. It just seemed odd to me that she was licking herself.

What amazes me so much is how Snape managed to keep such a massive secret from Voldemort! I mean how did he do it! Voldemort is such a strong and powerful wizard, he could have performed Occlumency on Snape if he wanted to! Wonder how Snape did it .... such a brave man!

Snape was very skilled at it also and I'm sure he was able to block Voldemort out. And maybe Voldemort had no reason to look into Snape's mind thinking he was one of his most loyal death eaters... JMO

9th_Wonder is right.
Voldemort was an accomplished Legilimens (Meaning can easily manipulate someone's mind), but Snape was an equally accomplished Occlumens, so he could protect himself from Voldemort and keep his cover.

9th_Wonder is right.
Voldemort was an accomplished Legilimens (Meaning can easily manipulate someone's mind), but Snape was an equally accomplished Occlumens, so he could protect himself from Voldemort and keep his cover.

Good thing Snape was a very accomplished Occlumens :tu:

Hmmm just something I came across while re-reading GoF. Does anyone else think it's weird that Barty Crouch Jr tells Harry he should become an Auror? I don't really know why I do, but it just seemed odd to me!

This was in the movie, OotP. When they showed Bellatrix, just before she broke out of Azkaban, she was licking her arm. I know this wasn't in the book, but I don't know why she was licking her arm. It just seemed odd to me that she was licking herself.

I haven't seen the movie for a while, but maybe she was licking her Dark Mark? (I think that's what I thought at the time) And it can't be all that odd for her to lick herself, she *is* a bit messed in the head :p

I dont think it was weird for her to have licked her arm (It was her Dark Mark). Her devotion to the Dark Lord caused her to react in such a mad way :p

Kindly don't forget that this thread like everything else here in the Stone is about the books.

The movies are discussed in Muggle Studies.

Question!! Who else here thinks it's possible that the snake that Harry set free from the zoo in Book 1, is Nagini?

Or have I lost my head completely :yuhup:

Question!! Who else here thinks it's possible that the snake that Harry set free from the zoo in Book 1, is Nagini?

Or have I lost my head completely :yuhup:

The snake that Harry let go was a non-poisonous Boa constrictor, Nagini is a poisonous snake so I don't think that they are the same snake .
The idea that they were the same snake is not new but there is little chance of them being the same one .

The snake that Harry let go was a non-poisonous Boa constrictor, Nagini is a poisonous snake so I don't think that they are the same snake .
The idea that they were the same snake is not new but there is little chance of them being the same one .

Damn - thought I was onto something lol. And I should have known that the one that Harry set free wasn't poisonous and Nagini is ... I let the idea that I had caught something overwhelm me :lol:

Oh well, thanks for the reply!

I'm sure this has been asked before, but what happened to Nagini while Voldemort was Vapormort. Had he met her before his demise, or did he just meet her right before he killed the muggle man Frank in GOF?

great question witchsmart
i was wondering the same thing

Hmm, i wonder that too...
Maybe she hung around Vapormort the whole time... ?
Or in a Hiding place?

Here's what it says at the HPL (http://69.61.53.28./magic/potions/potions-v.html#voldemorts_potions):

In his unnatural quest to achieve immortality, Voldemort has used three different potions:

unicorn blood

potion that kept Voldemort alive from the time Wormtail returned to him until he could be reborn; it consisted of unicorn blood and snake venom milked from Nagini (GF1), (GF33).

potion to restore Voldemort to his body - June 24, 1995 [Y15]: bone of his father, blood of his enemy, flesh of his servant (GF32).

And here is the section on Named Beasts (http://69.61.53.28./bestiary/beasts.html), scroll down and you will see what it says about Nagini.

thanks for the info :tu:

so its unclear whether Voldemort had Nagini from the beginning but we do know he used her to stay alive. Is that it or am I missing something? :hmm:

Well, also, Voldemort had turned her into a Horcrux before he accidently turned Harry into a Horcrux

Well, also, Voldemort had turned her into a Horcrux before he accidently turned Harry into a Horcrux

Actually, it was the other way around.

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2007/0730-bloomsbury-chat.html
Lady Bella: Whose murders did Voldemort use to create each of the Horcruxes

J.K. Rowling: The diary - Moaning Myrtle. The cup - Hepzibah Smith, the previous owner. The locket - a Muggle tramp. Nagini - Bertha Jorkins (Voldemort could use a wand once he regained a rudimentary body, as long as the victim was subdued).

Which means that he had Nagini with him whilst he was in Albania. In GoF, he tells his DE's that whilst journeying to find him that Wormtail had a chance meeting with Bertha and brought her to him were he eventually had her killed by Nagini.

'She told me many things... but the means I used to break the Memory Charm upon her were powerfull, and when I had extracted all useful information from her mind and body were both damaged beyond repair. She had now served her purpose. I could not possess her. i disposed of her.'

Voldemort then goes on to explain to his DE's how he gave Wormtail instructions to return him to a rudimentary body (Babymort). So, it looks very much like he had Nagini with him whilst he was Vapourmort.

hunh, just goes to show what I know :lol:
But now I know :D

I think it rather looks like Voldemort first "met" Nagini while he was Vapormort.

Doesn't he say that while he was Vapormort, he would "possess" the bodies of animals, snakes being his favourite, though they did not last long while he was in control of them? If he'd possessed Nagini while he was Vapormort, she would have died.

Possibly, he met Nagini between the time he was in the back of Quirrel's head and the time he had Pettigrew return to him; so, by this theory, during the Chamber of Secrets events.

That does make much more sense than my theory :lol:

Here is something I thought of last night. You know the spell (I think it's 'Gemino' that Hermione casts upon Slytherins locket in DH, and it makes an exact replica of the locket? Would that work on something like, the Marauders Map? Or the time-turner? Or would it just be a copy, and not work like the real thing?

I think it would just be a copy and not work like the original
If it did make a replica with the powers of the original object then that would be an extremely useful but dangerous spell

I think it would have the appearances of the original but would not work like it. Using your examples, the Maurauders map copy would not show moving dots, and the time-turner copy would not be able to transport people back in time. Only a theory though.

Yeah I thought that might be the case, it was just something that crossed my mind last night whilst reading. It would be kind of cool if it did work though, you could just copy Harry's Invisibility Cloak :lol:

Oh, but also if it DID work that way, Hermione made an exact copy of a Horcrux, and Voldemort wouldn't have died...

Oh, but also if it DID work that way, Hermione made an exact copy of a Horcrux, and Voldemort wouldn't have died...

OMG haha woops, forgot about that :lol:

I don't like the idea of this spell actually working anymore :rotfl:

:lol: No, it wouldn't be good...
Now, you got me thinking, ally_xx :lol:

But also it wouldn't be possible to make an EXACT copy of, say, food? Isn't it impossible to create food from thin air? So, what about copying food, multiplying it so there would be more food?

:lol: No, it wouldn't be good...
Now, you got me thinking, ally_xx :lol:

But also it wouldn't be possible to make an EXACT copy of, say, food? Isn't it impossible to create food from thin air? So, what about copying food, multiplying it so there would be more food?

Well we know that you can summon food if you know where it is, you can make more of a food if you know where it is, etc etc. But .... what if you are lost, and you do know where some food is? What if your think "Ok, I know there is a potato in my cupboard, I'll just summon that"

hmmm....
But if that were true, then The trio could've eaten whatever they wanted when they were 'Camping'. They could've just summoned food made by Molly...
But that would ruin their hiding spot...

Yeah exactly ... I don't get it :p

Hmm, it makes you wish that we could easily contact JK Rowling and ask her these tiny things....
I always wondered, if anyone could've failed Hogwarts for a year?
I think it was Marcus Flint who attended an extra year...?
Could he have failed, or did Jo slip up by accident?

Hmm, it makes you wish that we could easily contact JK Rowling and ask her these tiny things....
lol same here
I always wondered, if anyone could've failed Hogwarts for a year?

I think that if you received poor grades/marks causing you to fail your classes at Hogwarts they would make you retake the year just like most schools

I thought so :relax: but wouldn't there be a summer school of some sort?
And he was in Slytherin! His family could've bribed the school or the Governors to let him pass :hmm:

But why would anyone want to bribe the school governors to have their child pass? Does it matter? Well, it would matter on what you want to do after Hogwarts. But, if you were really good at Quidditch, and that's all you wanted to do, if you didn't pass your N.E.W.T.S., couldn't you still leave? Fred and George did. They barely passed their O.W.L.S., no one talked about them taking another year. I bet they wouldn't have stayed. Umbridge gave them reason to leave early.

But also attendance to Hogwarts isn't mandatory. Fred and George cold've left whenever they wanted, which happened to be before their N.E.W.T.s

Hmm, it makes you wish that we could easily contact JK Rowling and ask her these tiny things....
I always wondered, if anyone could've failed Hogwarts for a year?
I think it was Marcus Flint who attended an extra year...?
Could he have failed, or did Jo slip up by accident?

Jo slipped up . . . hence all her mistakes after that point are called 'flints'! :lol:

Jo slipped up . . . hence all her mistakes after that point are called 'flints'! :lol:

Woah wait a minute, what happened with Marcus Flint? Did I miss something? Actually, I probably have, knowing me :yuhup:

Woah wait a minute, what happened with Marcus Flint? Did I miss something? Actually, I probably have, knowing me :yuhup:

JKR used him in one of her books a year after he should have graduated from Hogwarts. The mistake was covered by her saying that he repeated his final year .

JKR used him in one of her books a year after he should have graduated from Hogwarts. The mistake was covered by her saying that he repeated his final year .

Oh ok haha, I never noticed that :yuhup:

Woah wait a minute, what happened with Marcus Flint? Did I miss something? Actually, I probably have, knowing me :yuhup:

JKR used him in one of her books a year after he should have graduated from Hogwarts. The mistake was covered by her saying that he repeated his final year .

Oh ok haha, I never noticed that :yuhup:

But Harry did say he looked like he had a some troll blood in him. (chapter 11 PS) And he was pretty dumb acting.

:lol:
Well, Jo HAS been known to mess up: The Elder wand for instance, How could Dumbledore defeat Grindelwald? Grindelwald, assuming, was USING the Unbeatable Wand when he was fighting Dumbledore, if it was Unbeatable, then how'd Dumbledore get it?
That has to be a mistake: Dumbledore isn't powerful enough to beat a wand that has been dubbed Unbeatable.

hmmm....
But if that were true, then The trio could've eaten whatever they wanted when they were 'Camping'. They could've just summoned food made by Molly...
But that would ruin their hiding spot...

There's some kind of law about this. Ron asks the very same question in DH, and Hermione tells him why they can't summon food from thin air.

DH, American version, pages 292-293:
"Your mother can't produce food out of thin air," said Hermione. "No one can. Food is the first of the five Principal Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfigur--"
"Oh, speak English, can't you?" Ron said, prising a fish bone out from between his teeth.
"It's impossible to make good food out of nothing! You can Summon it if you know where it is, you can transform it, you can increase the quantity if you've alredy got some--"

So in the case of Professor McGonagall and the refilling plate of sandwiches in COS, she must have Summoned them from the kitchens. As you said, phishychan, they could have Summoned food, but it probably would have given away their location, not to mention it causing suspicions wherever the food was disappearing from. And I'm sure that distance has to be taken into account when Summoning. The farther away something is, the more difficult it is to reach it by magic.

:lol:
Well, Jo HAS been known to mess up: The Elder wand for instance, How could Dumbledore defeat Grindelwald? Grindelwald, assuming, was USING the Unbeatable Wand when he was fighting Dumbledore, if it was Unbeatable, then how'd Dumbledore get it?
That has to be a mistake: Dumbledore isn't powerful enough to beat a wand that has been dubbed Unbeatable.

Perhaps the Elderwand was not won after a full-out battle? After all, Draco got it from Dumbledore with a simple disarming charm. The Elderwand is unbeatable in battle, but when it's not in battle it's just a regular wand that can be taken by anyone, theorectically.

True, Draco proves this,
but knowing the Grindelwald wanted to master Death, he would've used it in battle when he faced Dumbledore.
...Unless Dumbledore used Expelliarmus when battling? That makes more sense than anything I can come up with..

Didn't JKR say something like Grindelwald didn't truly want to defeat Dumbledore? Or am I just making that up, some sort of wishful thinking?

Now I'm thinking she said something like that... I may have to look that up... :hmm:

Dumbledore didn't beat the Elder Wand, he beat Grindlewald. Amd I also remember reading somewhere that Dumbledore didn't truly want to beat Grindlewald, but once Dumbledore realised the error in his ways, and realised what it was the Grindlewald truly wanted, he decided it was for the greater good of the wizarding world to get rid of Grindlewald.

Anyway, back on topic, I have a question.

Can someone please refresh my memory as to the 'blunder' that Wormtail made in GoF? And why Crouch was acting so strangely in the forest? Was he Imperiused, and it was wearing out? I just cannot remember for the life of me .... :yuhup:

Crouch was under the Imperius Curse for months. Little by little, he learned how to fight it in a way. In the forest, when he was acting sane, talking normal and giving Percy instructions, he was under the curse. When he had his lapses of insanity talking about how it was all his fault, that was the real Crouch temporarily unaffected by the curse.

hope that makes sense :hmm:

Crouch was under the Imperius Curse for months. Little by little, he learned how to fight it in a way. In the forest, when he was acting sane, talking normal and giving Percy instructions, he was under the curse. When he had his lapses of insanity talking about how it was all his fault, that was the real Crouch temporarily unaffected by the curse.

hope that makes sense :hmm:

Haha yes it does make sense, but I am blonde, so bear with me :yuhup: Still confused about Wormtails 'blunder' (what was it??) and why was Bertha Jorkins death Crouch's fault?

Can someone please refresh my memory as to the 'blunder' that Wormtail made in GoF? And why Crouch was acting so strangely in the forest? Was he Imperiused, and it was wearing out? I just cannot remember for the life of me .... :yuhup:

Wormtail's blunder in Goblet of fire was letting Barty Crouch Sr escape I think? That's what I always thought anyways.
And I think the strength of that spell could cause somebody serious damage. Depending on the amount of time a spell that strong is used for. when Crouch is no longer under the spell, he could not know where he is, or when he is. Like waking up from a coma? When people cannot remember what happened just before?
You could argue that Barty Crouch jr seems of sound mind BUT the type of wizards that cast the individual spells are different. Voldemort/Wormtail are dark wizards. Bellatrix said that you had to truly mean the curses you cast for them to work. I think therefore the spell cast by a dark wizard would have much more strength behind it and therefore have a much stronger after effect.

Wormtail's blunder in Goblet of fire was letting Barty Crouch Sr escape I think? That's what I always thought anyways.
And I think the strength of that spell could cause somebody serious damage. Depending on the amount of time a spell that strong is used for. when Crouch is no longer under the spell, he could not know where he is, or when he is. Like waking up from a coma? When people cannot remember what happened just before?
You could argue that Barty Crouch jr seems of sound mind BUT the type of wizards that cast the individual spells are different. Voldemort/Wormtail are dark wizards. Bellatrix said that you had to truly mean the curses you cast for them to work. I think therefore the spell cast by a dark wizard would have much more strength behind it and therefore have a much stronger after effect.

Ahhh yes, I am starting to remember now. Because Voldemort says "But your blunder doesn't matter. He is dead." I assume Voldemort is reffering to Barty Crouch Senior when he said that.

Haha yes it does make sense, but I am blonde, so bear with me :yuhup: Still confused about Wormtails 'blunder' (what was it??) and why was Bertha Jorkins death Crouch's fault?Bertha discovered Barty Crouch, Jr when she went to the Crouch house. Barty Sr. put a memory charm on her to make her forget all about it, but Voldemort broke the memory charm and discovered that his "faithful" Death Eater was poised and ready to join him.


ETA: And, while we are on the topic of BC Jr., why on earth did he show the unforgivables to his class? It was almost like he WANTED Harry to be prepared for Voldemort when he set foot in that graveyard. And could his attitude toward Neville be seen as remorse? I've often wondered, was he really Voldemort's most faithful servant, or was he unwittingly thrust into the role by the cruelty of his father, and the information Voldemort received from Bertha?

ETA: And, while we are on the topic of BC Jr., why on earth did he show the unforgivables to his class? It was almost like he WANTED Harry to be prepared for Voldemort when he set foot in that graveyard. And could his attitude toward Neville be seen as remorse? I've often wondered, was he really Voldemort's most faithful servant, or was he unwittingly thrust into the role by the cruelty of his father, and the information Voldemort received from Bertha?

I've always thought of this as being a case when Barty Crouch Jr. got too into character. He was poising as Mad-Eye Moody, who was a close friend of Dumbledore's (from what I've gathered). Thus, it was necessary for Crouch to act exactly like the read Moody would have, or Dumbledore would have figured him out for sure. And as for Neville, we know that Crouch gave him the herbology book in the hopes that he would tell Harry about the Gillyweed. This, I think, is what drove him to take Neville aside after class, rather than pity.

Bertha discovered Barty Crouch, Jr when she went to the Crouch house. Barty Sr. put a memory charm on her to make her forget all about it, but Voldemort broke the memory charm and discovered that his "faithful" Death Eater was poised and ready to join him.


ETA: And, while we are on the topic of BC Jr., why on earth did he show the unforgivables to his class? It was almost like he WANTED Harry to be prepared for Voldemort when he set foot in that graveyard. And could his attitude toward Neville be seen as remorse? I've often wondered, was he really Voldemort's most faithful servant, or was he unwittingly thrust into the role by the cruelty of his father, and the information Voldemort received from Bertha?

Ahh yes, thank you for refreshing my memory, my brain was mush :yuhup:

Yeah I never understood that either! And I never really understood it when Barty Jr told Harry and Hermione they ought to become Aurors, when Aurors are the ones who are capturing the Death Eaters! Just seemed odd to me. And he had to be in the character of the real Moody, otherwise people would have suspected him. But it still seems weird that he would have shown them the curses, because I don't thinkt the real Moody would have done that. JMO.

Yet again, I have become confused by something in GoF :yuhup:

When Voldemort rises again, and he is talking to his Death Eaters, he says this:

"And here we have six missing Death Eaters ... three dead in my service. One too cowardly to return ... he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever ... he will be killed, of course ... and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already re-entered my service..."

Ok so we know who the one is who was too cowardly to return. That was Karkaroff. And we know that the most faithful servant is Barty Crouch Jr, because Voldemort says 'and it is thanks to my most faithful servant, that our young friend joins us here tonight'. So who is the Death Eater that Voldemort believes has left him forever, and who he plans to kill? It can't be Snape, can it?

Yes, he meant Snape. :)

Yes, he meant Snape. :)

Really? I didn't think it would have been! Doesn't he believe that Snape is on his side??

:yuhup:

At that time, no. Snape explains somewhat in the chapter Spinner's End in HBP.

Really? I didn't think it would have been! Doesn't he believe that Snape is on his side??

:yuhup:

In addition to what Colonel_Fubster said:

Voldie was in Quirrell's turban in PS/SS and must have been suspicious of Snape's actions during that year. We don't know what Wormie might have told Voldie about his observations of Snape's actions during his 12 years as a Weasley familiar. And then when Sev didn't show up in the graveyard that probably confirmed any doubts Voldie might have had about Snape's loyalty.

Yes, indeed, Sev had a lot of 'splainin' to do when he finally met with the Dark Lord!

At that time, no. Snape explains somewhat in the chapter Spinner's End in HBP.

In addition to what Colonel_Fubster said:

Voldie was in Quirrell's turban in PS/SS and must have been suspicious of Snape's actions during that year. We don't know what Wormie might have told Voldie about his observations of Snape's actions during his 12 years as a Weasley familiar. And then when Sev didn't show up in the graveyard that probably confirmed any doubts Voldie might have had about Snape's loyalty.

Yes, indeed, Sev had a lot of 'splainin' to do when he finally met with the Dark Lord!



Ahhh yes, I do remember now, thanks :) I really don't know why I can't remember these things recently! Guess I just have other things on my mind :yuhup:

Ahhh yes, I do remember now, thanks :) I really don't know why I can't remember these things recently! Guess I just have other things on my mind :yuhup:

:lol: you need to reread the books, ally.

I just wondered the other day: Hagrid says he flew to the rock on the see to collect Harry, but how exactly did he fly? He says once that a broomstick can't hold him, and anyways, if he flew with some object that object should've still been there. So, how did he fly? Because in DH is quite a big thing that Voldy can fly, so I quite doubt Hagrid could do that...

And, while we are on the topic of BC Jr., why on earth did he show the unforgivables to his class? It was almost like he WANTED Harry to be prepared for Voldemort when he set foot in that graveyard.



'Now according to the Ministry of Magic, I'm not supposed to show you what illegal Dark curses look like until you're in sixth year. You're not suppossed to be old enough to deal with it 'til then. But Professor Dumbledore's got a higher opinion of your nerves, he reckons you can cope, and I say, the sooner you know what you're up against, the better.'

So, if Dumbledore had requested Moody to show them the curses, then he would have had to follow his orders.

:lol: you need to reread the books, ally.

I just wondered the other day: Hagrid says he flew to the rock on the see to collect Harry, but how exactly did he fly? He says once that a broomstick can't hold him, and anyways, if he flew with some object that object should've still been there. So, how did he fly? Because in DH is quite a big thing that Voldy can fly, so I quite doubt Hagrid could do that...

A theory I have seen here is he flew by Thestral. It probably flew back to Hogwarts on its own, with it's great sense of direction. And if it hadn't, at that point, Harry wouldn't have been able to see it there, grazing on the rocks, looking for a snack while it waited for Hagrid's return.

'Now according to the Ministry of Magic, I'm not supposed to show you what illegal Dark curses look like until you're in sixth year. You're not suppossed to be old enough to deal with it 'til then. But Professor Dumbledore's got a higher opinion of your nerves, he reckons you can cope, and I say, the sooner you know what you're up against, the better.'

So, if Dumbledore had requested Moody to show them the curses, then he would have had to follow his orders.I always took it to mean that Moody wanted to show them, and Dumbledore didn't object. But you're right, it was probably Dumbledore's idea.

List of the people Karkaroff gave to the Ministry in the hopes of getting out of Azkaban

Antonin Dolohov- Apprehended
Evan Rosier - Dead
Travers - Apprehended
Mulciber - Apprehended
Augustus Rookwood- Only name given that helped
Severus Snape - Acquitted

So Rookwood was the only one he really named that was any help to the Ministry. Does anyone else think this list is sorely lacking considering all the things he did as a death eater, to be able to walk free now? I know that capturing Rookwood led to the interrogation of Mr. Bagman and who knows how many else, but that doesn't seem like good police-work by the Ministry.

To be able to rise up and run a school, surely he was acquitted from being a death eater, there I don't see how a convicted death eater would be able to rise to that position.

Also, if Karkaroff knew Malfoy was a death eater, and wanted to escape prison so bad, why didn't he just turn in Lucius also? And why in the world did the board of governors of Durmstrang give him the headmaster position?

List of the people Karkaroff gave to the Ministry in the hopes of getting out of Azkaban

Antonin Dolohov- Apprehended
Evan Rosier - Dead
Travers - Apprehended
Mulciber - Apprehended
Augustus Rookwood- Only name given that helped
Severus Snape - Acquitted

So Rookwood was the only one he really named that was any help to the Ministry. Does anyone else think this list is sorely lacking considering all the things he did as a death eater, to be able to walk free now? I know that capturing Rookwood led to the interrogation of Mr. Bagman and who knows how many else, but that doesn't seem like good police-work by the Ministry.


How long ago was that trial? Perhaps Karkaroff's sentence was limited in Azkaban due to the information that he had given, and once he had served it he was free to do as he liked.

Hmm, it makes you wish that we could easily contact JK Rowling and ask her these tiny things....
I always wondered, if anyone could've failed Hogwarts for a year?
I think it was Marcus Flint who attended an extra year...?
Could he have failed, or did Jo slip up by accident?

Well JKR said in one of her interviews that Marcus Flint did fail his sixth year.

I think Karkaroff stayed in Azkaban for a few years, and then was allowed to go, although he was probably watched by the Ministry. Durmstrang favors the Dark Arts, so his sentence didn't keep him from rising in rank.

I don't think i've ever seen this mentioned before so,

In CoS, nobody can hear the strange voices that Harry is hearing in the walls, true?
Why is that ? Just because it's parseltongue doesn't mean it's only hearable for people who understand parselftongue, becuase Ronald hears harry speak parseltongue during Harry's battle against Malfoy, just like the rest of his class.

Then I thought, maybe people can only hear other people speak parseltongue, but can not hear it when snakes use the language, but just now as I was watching GoF for the 28490320 time, I realized, as it was also mentioned in the books, that the man in the beginning of the movie, when he spots wormtail and voldemort and nagini in the little room, does hear the snake speak to Voldemort.

So how come ronald and Hermione an the rest of Hogwarts does not hear the voice of the Bassilisk, but Harry does?

They probably hear some hissing, and just think it's noise in the pipes or something. Harry is the only one to hear actual words and an actual voice.

They probably hear some hissing, and just think it's noise in the pipes or something. Harry is the only one to hear actual words and an actual voice.

I dont think so. They hear actual strage voices and words from Harry when he speaks parseltongue, i dont think that can be mistaken for some hissing in the pipes.

No, they just heard hissing and spitting from Harry.

No, they just heard hissing and spitting from Harry.

first scene of the GoF,
we see this scene from the strange man's point of view.
He hears a weird language coming from the snake, not jus twhat we normally hear from a snake.

first scene of the GoF,
we see this scene from the strange man's point of view.
He hears a weird language coming from the snake, not jus twhat we normally hear from a snake.

All Frank heard was Voldemort hissing, it doesn't even say that the snake made so much as a whisper.

"But before he had made his decision, the snake was level with him, and then, incredibly, miraculously, it was passing; it was following the spitting, hissing noises made by the cold voice beyond the door, and in seconds, the tip of its diamond-patterned tail had vanished through the gap."
"There was sweat on Frank's forehead now, and the hand on the walking stick was trembling. Inside the room, the cold voice was continuing to hiss, and Frank was visited by a strange idea, an impossible idea....This man could talk to snakes."

I'm sorry this is really off-topic from what was being discussed earlier...

But in the books, when Hermione put a jinx on Harry to keep him from being recognized, it said in Harry's perspective that his hair fell to his shoulders. Is this part of the jinx or had it really grown this long because of his isolation from city life for so long?

But in the books, when Hermione put a jinx on Harry to keep him from being recognized, it said in Harry's perspective that his hair fell to his shoulders. Is this part of the jinx or had it really grown this long because of his isolation from city life for so long?
I believe the latter. Hermione only put a Stinging Jinx on Harry, which would have caused Harry's face to be "huge, shiny, and pink, every feature distorted by Hermione's jinx." Meanwhile, his shoulder-length hair and "dark shadow around his jaw" are almost certainly the growth of his hair during his many weeks of exile, without the necessity to stay groomed. A Stinging Hex should not have any effect on the victim's hair, especially if that individual's face was targeted.

Why does madeye still have his own voice when he was actually barty crouch Jr, but when Harry and Ron turn into Crabbe and Goyle they still have their own voices ?

Why does madeye still have his own voice when he was actually barty crouch Jr, but when Harry and Ron turn into Crabbe and Goyle they still have their own voices ?

In the movie? I think in the books whenever someone took the polyjuice potion they got the voice of the person they were changing into as well. I don't really know why it was like that in the movie.

Why does madeye still have his own voice when he was actually barty crouch Jr, but when Harry and Ron turn into Crabbe and Goyle they still have their own voices ?

That was only in the movie. In the book: He (Harry) took them off (glasses) and called, "Are you two OK?" Goyle's low rasp of a voice issued from his mouth. [Chapter 12, CoS]

Hope this helps.

That was only in the movie.

Oh I didn't realize. So it's just a movie mistake ?

Oh I didn't realize. So it's just a movie mistake ?
I think the director thought the audience wouldn't realize it was really Harry and Ron, so they left the voices so we could tell. In Mad-Eye's case, we weren't supposed to know it wasn't the real Moody.

This has been bugging me ever since book 1, and so far as I've read, has never been explained. Dumbledore's scar.
It happens right in the first chapter when Dumbledore is talking to Hagrid and Professor McGonagall about the importance of scars, he says, ""Scars can come in handy. I have one myself above my left knee that is a perfect map of the London Underground." (SS/PS pg. 15)"
And not but 50 pages afterward when Hagrid is explaining to Harry about wizarding banks he says this, "“They say there’s dragons guardin’ the high-security vaults. Then then yeh gotta find yer way—Gringotts is hundreds of miles under London , see.” (PS/SS pg.64)"

So if you put two and two together, why on earth did Dumbedore have a perfect scar of the London underground, and , consequently, Gringotts Wizard bank? And how did he get it?

This has been bugging me ever since book 1, and so far as I've read, has never been explained. Dumbledore's scar.
It happens right in the first chapter when Dumbledore is talking to Hagrid and Professor McGonagall about the importance of scars, he says, ""Scars can come in handy. I have one myself above my left knee that is a perfect map of the London Underground." (SS/PS pg. 15)"
And not but 50 pages afterward when Hagrid is explaining to Harry about wizarding banks he says this, "“They say there’s dragons guardin’ the high-security vaults. Then then yeh gotta find yer way—Gringotts is hundreds of miles under London , see.” (PS/SS pg.64)"

So if you put two and two together, why on earth did Dumbedore have a perfect scar of the London underground, and , consequently, Gringotts Wizard bank? And how did he get it?I don't think the London subway system is hundreds of miles underground. It's kind of like layers. Street level, earth, subway, earth, earth, earth, earth, Gringotts.

As to how he got the scar, I don't know.

I don't think the London subway system is hundreds of miles underground. It's kind of like layers. Street level, earth, subway, earth, earth, earth, earth, Gringotts.

As to how he got the scar, I don't know.

Hmm, I totally didn't interpret "London Underground" as the subway system. I thought of it more as just simply Underground in London. I think i also overlooked that because it seems too easy and there'd be even less of a reason for him to have a map of a muggle subway.

I don't think Jo has ever said exactly how he got his scar. Maybe the Scottish Book will answer that question. But here is a map of the London Undergound.

http://mappery.com/maps/London-Underground-Map-2.mediumthumb.gif

I'm guessing Jo just added that as an example of how useful scars are...
I doubt it had any huge significance towards the plot and problems in the Harry Potter series.

I don't think i've ever seen this mentioned before so,

In CoS, nobody can hear the strange voices that Harry is hearing in the walls, true?
Why is that ? Just because it's parseltongue doesn't mean it's only hearable for people who understand parselftongue, becuase Ronald hears harry speak parseltongue during Harry's battle against Malfoy, just like the rest of his class.

Then I thought, maybe people can only hear other people speak parseltongue, but can not hear it when snakes use the language, but just now as I was watching GoF for the 28490320 time, I realized, as it was also mentioned in the books, that the man in the beginning of the movie, when he spots wormtail and voldemort and nagini in the little room, does hear the snake speak to Voldemort.

So how come ronald and Hermione an the rest of Hogwarts does not hear the voice of the Bassilisk, but Harry does?

Maybe the other students just couldn't hear the Basilisk...? Harry could've had heightened hearing due to the Parseltongue...

Ah... then I guess you can fail your exams... but she still could've been covering up her mistake...:whistle:

IMO that scar was probably put there by DD himself during his days with Gellert Grindelwald. They would have probably thought that a plan of Gringotts etc would come handy sometime. I wonder if Grindelwald had any special scars.

Am I missing something, why would Gringotts be on a map of the London Underground?

IMO that scar was probably put there by DD himself during his days with Gellert Grindelwald. They would have probably thought that a plan of Gringotts etc would come handy sometime. I wonder if Grindelwald had any special scars.

A scar on his abdomen (from his first duel with DD) became the basic blueprint for Nuremgard.

Am I missing something, why would Gringotts be on a map of the London Underground?

Gringotts isn't on the London Undergound, I think it is just a misunderstanding by some people.:)

The London Underground (http://www.tfl.gov.uk/modalpages/2625.aspx) is what is usually called Metro in other places.

Yes, Dumbledore's scar is of the London subway system. Jo has never mentioned how he got it, perhaps, as TreacleTartlet mentioned, she will include that in the Scottish Book.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with Gringotts.

I didn't think so,
I wonder if it had anything to do with him liking Muggle things? He can travel in the Muggle world with his map of the London Underground :lol:

Who went to the Ball with Dean Thomas?

Who went to the Ball with Dean Thomas?

I don't think that it is ever mentioned. I can't find a reference in my book either.

From the HPL this is who went with who:

Harry - Parvati
Ron - Padma
Neville - Ginny
Hermione - Krum
Draco - Pansy
Cedric - Cho
Seamus - Lavender
Fleur - Roger
Fred - Angelina

Why didn't Harry show up on the Marauder's Map until he held it in his hands? In PoA, it made note of a "new dot" when Fred and George gave it to him. So why didn't he show up before then? And consequently, why did Barty Crouch Jr show up, when he had no relationship with the map at all? Or did the map recognize him as a teacher?

Why didn't Harry show up on the Marauder's Map until he held it in his hands? In PoA, it made note of a "new dot" when Fred and George gave it to him. So why didn't he show up before then? And consequently, why did Barty Crouch Jr show up, when he had no relationship with the map at all? Or did the map recognize him as a teacher?

When Fred and George show Harry the map he notices that it shows people as "tiny ink dots".

But the truely remarkable thing was the tiny ink dots moving around it, each labelled with a name in miniscule writing.

However, when Harry first uses it he sees an "ink figure" of himself.

He pulled out the map again and saw, to his astonishment, that a new ink figure had appeared upon it, labelled 'Harry Potter. This figure was standing exactly where the real harry was standing, about halfway down the third -floor corridor. Harry watched carefully. His little ink self appeared to be tapping the witch with his minute wand.

So, from this it looks as if the user appears on the map as a small ink figure instead of a dot, which could be why Harry sees his ink figure appear.

Ah, I missed that distinction. Thank you!

When Fred and George show Harry the map he notices that it shows people as "tiny ink dots".

But the truely remarkable thing was the tiny ink dots moving around it, each labelled with a name in miniscule writing.

However, when Harry first uses it he sees an "ink figure" of himself.

He pulled out the map again and saw, to his astonishment, that a new ink figure had appeared upon it, labelled 'Harry Potter. This figure was standing exactly where the real harry was standing, about halfway down the third -floor corridor. Harry watched carefully. His little ink self appeared to be tapping the witch with his minute wand.

So, from this it looks as if the user appears on the map as a small ink figure instead of a dot, which could be why Harry sees his ink figure appear.

Also if you look at it in context the map was showing Harry where the hidden passage was hidden and how to open it, because in the next few lines it says he read the word Discendium as the little figure of Harry tapped the Witches rump.

Also if you look at it in context the map was showing Harry where the hidden passage was hidden and how to open it, because in the next few lines it says he read the word Discendium as the little figure of Harry tapped the Witches rump.

It might also be a proximity thing. People who are further away from the user appear as dots, while those who are closer to him or her become figures whose movements are more easily discernable.

Just thought of something whilst reading OoTP. Instead of Harry taking Occlumency, why doesn't he just take that Dreamless Potion that Madam Pomrey gave him at the end of GoF?

Just thought of something whilst reading OoTP. Instead of Harry taking Occlumency, why doesn't he just take that Dreamless Potion that Madam Pomfrey gave him at the end of GoF?

That potion only gives you dreamless sleep it doesn't protect your mind from someone using Legilimency on you .

That potion only gives you dreamless sleep it doesn't protect your mind from someone using Legilimency on you .

Hmm yeah I suppose. Good point. :tu:

Who went to the Ball with Dean Thomas?

I don't think he had a date, there isn't ever one mentioned, and when the boys are getting ready beforehand in their dormitory, he seem realls sullen and says to Harry and Ron that he doesn't know how they both ended with the prettiest girls in their year.

I don't know/remember if this was answered in any of the books or if it was answered here previously but does winning a Quidditch game at Hogwarts give your house any points toward the House Cup? Or is Quidditch completely seperate from the house point system?

I don't know/remember if this was answered in any of the books or if it was answered here previously but does winning a Quidditch game at Hogwarts give your house any points toward the House Cup? Or is Quidditch completely seperate from the house point system?

I'm pretty sure it does, because I remember reading somewhere that Ron said to Harry after a Quidditch match (cause I think Harry was in the hospital wing or something after he caught the snitch and was knocked out), "We won! And you earned Gryffindor 50 points!" or something along those lines.

oh ok, thanks!

Does anybody know how Moody lost his leg? I don't remember if they mentioned that either.

oh ok, thanks!

Does anybody know how Moody lost his leg? I don't remember if they mentioned that either.

Good question. Probably something to do with his job, he lost half his face just by being an Auror lol, so maybe thats how he lost his leg too?