HBP Movie: Scenes that should/could have been in or excluded

I've only read about 4 pages of responses (working on it), but have so many comments that I need to start now or I will have to write several pages later lol

Gambon's Dumbledore--he didn't irritate me quite so much this film. I immediately saw they made some simple costuming changes that helped. He "looked" more like Dumbledore from the book...he's still missing the twinkle in the eye and more playfulness (ya, I know--this was a darker movie than the others, but Gambon needs to smile more where opportunity permits!) This is the old Harris/Gambon arguments, so I will leave them be on this thread.

The other memories were, indeed, missing from this movie...some very important ones. I would have liked to see them here. But, I have a feeling they are going to show up in the next one. I haven't read anyone else mentioning this (yet--but I have 6 more pages to read), but Dumbledore had something in this movie that I don't remember in the book...that towering case of "Voldemort" memories. It struck me as soon as he said it--it looked like hundreds of vials of Voldemort memories. I highly suspect that Harry's going to get into that case and watch all the memories that "should" have been in this movie, but in the next. We may even get some with Dumbledore doing that extra explanation of founders, horcruxes and what the plan should be via that method.

I vaguely remember coming across a still shot of Ralph Fiennes costumed as Voldemort--the "in between" Voldie. He was half and half..pale, still had a nose, but changes had already started to take place. I'm trying to remember, but I believe this was him as he appeared when he came for the DADA job...so, it appears that they have shot this. That means one of two things. It either landed on the cutting room floor....or, is being saved for the next movie...hopefully along with Merope scenes, teacup/Borgin & Burkes scenes. So, don't give up---they may have just reshuffled sequence, not left it out.

I agree that Snape was too "cool" and not passionate enough. We only saw a small spark when he was arguing with Dumbledore about him asking to much of him. I really think we missed so much power and emotional "filling in" with the deletion of the "I'm not a coward!" bit from the book! This whole thing tells us so much about Snape and his emotional condition, his conflicts with what just happened and with Harry. It was too flat.

Snape's "Shhhhh" behind Harry???...didn't like this. Snape's too kewl, once more and we miss all the power and conflict---RAGE of Harry paralyzed, watching everything and not being able to do anything. It reduces and hints too heavily at which side Snape's on and threatens to give this away too early. If Snape were evil here, he wouldn't "shhh" Harry, he would have stunned him and saved him for "his Lord". I just disagree with this decision on the writer/directors part to take it this way.

Of course, the whole DA/auror battle before the tower didn't help. I figured that was coming when I saw Harry down ALL the Felix Felicitis (sp?), and it became obvious that the director never intended the last of it to go to anyone else.

Blowing up the burrow??? Wha? Don't they need that for the wedding later? Are they going to skip the whole wedding now...move important events that happened at the wedding to a new venue? What the heck? They could have filled in some more important horcrux information with the time they wasted on this scene...

And Bill was totally gone. No Fenrir bite, no Fluer, ....no wedding?

My nephew would like me to add he was most disappointed that there was no apparition testing. He really wanted to see someone "splinched" lol.

No Diadem in the ROR??? On one hand, this is the one thing I would like changed from the book. I never cared for JKR having Voldie hide it there. How could anyone that evil and obviously smart think that no one else knew about a room where thousands of things had been hidden in already? My hope is they will hide the Diadem somewhere else LOL. Ah, but, they left the book there (although Harry now has no clue where, not even a hint)...so, I'm guessing he might have to return there for the diadem.

I missed the Dumbledore/Dursley scene. That would have been so much better than the waitress thing which I thought was pointless. Was there an issue getting the Dursley actors back for that or something? There were definitely hints about Petunia's understanding and her knowledge of past events that could have really filled in, and prepared to explain, later events in book 7.

And lastly...OMG, did Harry have Dumbledore's wand at the end in the office?!? That's supposed to be buried with Dumbles!!! The funeral would have been nice, but three things were in that scene that were important that they're now going to have to explain a different way: Harry breaks up with Ginny. These was no where to be found...
Harry decides not to come back to Hogwarts to seek horcruxes and Ron and Hermione vow to come with him. Okay, they squeezed this in (barely) in another venue.

...The elder wand is buried with Dumbledore. This is important and now I do not know what they are going to do in movie 7a/7b with this. Are they going to find a way to get that wand into Dumble's tomb? Are they going to put the wand "elsewhere" and have voldie get it elsewhere and miss the whole horror of the tomb desecration and how low Voldie will go? Are they going to cut the wand out of the story all together???? Oh, heaven forbid! It's the elder wand, after all. Now what are they going to do with it?

Teen love stuff, very nicely done...love potion, excellent scenes. I adored Slughorn and the whole memory retreival bit done with "luck", ending at Hagrids was extremely well done. I thought Katie's curse was chilling and I was honestly horrified over Ron's poisoning...geez, they are getting more graphic and didn't pull punch there!

IMO there should have been a defence against the dark arts lesson, th bit where rons like "excuse me are you th imprint of a departed soul, then it would have mentioned Mundungus, then there might have been a reference to him stealing Sirius' stuff.

But I was most bothered bout the Harry/Ginny kiss, it just wasnt right :s that might just be me lol

And harry should have been paralysed when Dumbledore was kissed because if he wasnt i think he would have tried to save him :s

I agree that Snape was too "cool" and not passionate enough. We only saw a small spark when he was arguing with Dumbledore about him asking to much of him. I really think we missed so much power and emotional "filling in" with the deletion of the "I'm not a coward!" bit from the book! This whole thing tells us so much about Snape and his emotional condition, his conflicts with what just happened and with Harry. It was too flat.


I agree 100%.

I remember David Yates or someone saying they added the Burrow scene to replace all the mentions of people outside of Hogwarts and stuff, but I really didn't feel like the Burrow scene SHOWED anything. From what I remember, the just show the Burrow burning and everyone looking at it and then that whole storyline is never mentioned again. Did they fix the burrow? Why did the Death Eaters just leave? I dunno, it just seemed a little off- I think they could have shown the whole "No one is safe, Voldemort really is back" idea the way it is in the books.

Also, I just realized Sirus is completely nonexistent! He's just gone! There's no Harry moping around in Privet Drive, waiting for news, he just "rides trains" and flirts with Muggle waitresses. I guess in the book Harry never really vocalized his feeling about Sirus and after the first few chapters it disappeared but I dunno....

Now that I think about it, it seems like they included way too much teen romance in the place of important plot that really sets up DH. Although the romance was well done, I think some of it could have been replaced with more exposition about horcruxes.

First off, I just want to say that I thought Bellatrix was WONDERFUL in this movie. Loved her. I loved Draco as well, and Katie being cursed was done very nicely, IMO.

There's several scenes I missed, though, the main ones being the memories (Where was Hepzibah? And the Gaunts? DH is going to have a LOT of explaining to do about the Horcruxes) and Trelawney telling Harry about Snape eavesdropping on the night she made the prophesy, and Harry going off on Dumbledore about it. I also wish they'd have done a funeral, even a quick one, for Dumbledore and they definitely should have had a fight scene at the end between the OotP and DE.

Some little things I missed - Bellatrix questioning Snape at the beginning. I thought that part was so important in the book, it really made you question where Snape's loyalties lay, but they didn't even touch on it in the movie. Bill never got mauled by Greyback, since they never fought at Hogwarts, and that's going to take some explaining in DH.

I think they focused a lot on Bellatrix but not a lot on the rest of the DE. The burning scene of the Weasley's was interesting (LOVED Bella's taunting - "I killed Sirius Black, I killed Sirius Black") and I think it showed a few things we missed (Harry's grief for Sirius - since we missed Dumbledore talking to Harry about it, it's shown when he took off after Bella by himself because she was the one who killed Sirius and was taunting him about it, and Ginny followed because of her feelings about Harry), but honestly it was unnecessary and those things could have been shown in better (more canon) ways.

I thought the H/G relationship fell flat. Ron was supposed to give his permission after the Quidditch match, and H/G were supposed to kiss there, not in the RoR, and have a lot more time together as a couple, walking the grounds and such. And of course, there was no break up scene. :( I did love the scene with H/Hr though, after Ron and Lavender hooked up, where Hermione asks Harry if it feels like this when he sees Dean with Ginny, and Harry answers "Yes, exactly like this" (or something along those lines). I didn't really like Lavender, for some reason, she just wasn't what I'd imagined. A little too over-dramatic, perhaps?

Not to harp on this but I am still wondering what people's reactions were after Dumbledore saw the complete memory of Slughorn concerning horcruxes. He sits down, almost seems out of breath or scared, saying this is darker magic than he imagined. To me, it seemed he didn't know that Tom had made ANY horcruxes at all -- hence why they changed *** partial memory so that it didn't even mention horcruxes.

I've only read about 4 pages of responses (working on it), but have so many comments that I need to start now or I will have to write several pages later lol

Gambon's Dumbledore--he didn't irritate me quite so much this film. I immediately saw they made some simple costuming changes that helped. He "looked" more like Dumbledore from the book...he's still missing the twinkle in the eye and more playfulness (ya, I know--this was a darker movie than the others, but Gambon needs to smile more where opportunity permits!) This is the old Harris/Gambon arguments, so I will leave them be on this thread.

Nothing to say about this... like you said, the good old Harris/Gambon discussion.

The other memories were, indeed, missing from this movie...some very important ones. I would have liked to see them here. But, I have a feeling they are going to show up in the next one. I haven't read anyone else mentioning this (yet--but I have 6 more pages to read), but Dumbledore had something in this movie that I don't remember in the book...that towering case of "Voldemort" memories. It struck me as soon as he said it--it looked like hundreds of vials of Voldemort memories. I highly suspect that Harry's going to get into that case and watch all the memories that "should" have been in this movie, but in the next. We may even get some with Dumbledore doing that extra explanation of founders, horcruxes and what the plan should be via that method.

Not happenning.


I vaguely remember coming across a still shot of Ralph Fiennes costumed as Voldemort--the "in between" Voldie. He was half and half..pale, still had a nose, but changes had already started to take place. I'm trying to remember, but I believe this was him as he appeared when he came for the DADA job...so, it appears that they have shot this. That means one of two things. It either landed on the cutting room floor....or, is being saved for the next movie...hopefully along with Merope scenes, teacup/Borgin & Burkes scenes. So, don't give up---they may have just reshuffled sequence, not left it out.

I agree that Snape was too "cool" and not passionate enough. We only saw a small spark when he was arguing with Dumbledore about him asking to much of him. I really think we missed so much power and emotional "filling in" with the deletion of the "I'm not a coward!" bit from the book! This whole thing tells us so much about Snape and his emotional condition, his conflicts with what just happened and with Harry. It was too flat.

Snape's "Shhhhh" behind Harry???...didn't like this. Snape's too kewl, once more and we miss all the power and conflict---RAGE of Harry paralyzed, watching everything and not being able to do anything. It reduces and hints too heavily at which side Snape's on and threatens to give this away too early. If Snape were evil here, he wouldn't "shhh" Harry, he would have stunned him and saved him for "his Lord". I just disagree with this decision on the writer/directors part to take it this way.


I see it as if Snape was messing with Harry, Harry knows that Dumby trusts Snape, so by having him to the sshhhh at Harry, Harry thinks that Snape is going to stupefy Draco and co. He did that to get pass Harry.


Of course, the whole DA/auror battle before the tower didn't help. I figured that was coming when I saw Harry down ALL the Felix Felicitis (sp?), and it became obvious that the director never intended the last of it to go to anyone else.

Saving it for next movie. And I think it was pretty cool to have the DE get in the castle and out before anyone knows about it. You'll have your battle in DH part 2

Blowing up the burrow??? Wha? Don't they need that for the wedding later? Are they going to skip the whole wedding now...move important events that happened at the wedding to a new venue? What the heck? They could have filled in some more important horcrux information with the time they wasted on this scene...

The Burrow didn't blow up, it was on fire, didn't you ever heard about reparation.

And Bill was totally gone. No Fenrir bite, no Fluer, ....no wedding?

Bill being bitten by Fenrir has no impact at all on harry's quest for the horcruxes. And how does the fact that fleur and bill didn't appear in this movie has an impact on the wedding in the next ?

My nephew would like me to add he was most disappointed that there was no apparition testing. He really wanted to see someone "splinched" lol.

Again, completly useless to the main quest of the MOVIE.

No Diadem in the ROR??? On one hand, this is the one thing I would like changed from the book. I never cared for JKR having Voldie hide it there. How could anyone that evil and obviously smart think that no one else knew about a room where thousands of things had been hidden in already? My hope is they will hide the Diadem somewhere else LOL. Ah, but, they left the book there (although Harry now has no clue where, not even a hint)...so, I'm guessing he might have to return there for the diadem.


I missed the Dumbledore/Dursley scene. That would have been so much better than the waitress thing which I thought was pointless. Was there an issue getting the Dursley actors back for that or something? There were definitely hints about Petunia's understanding and her knowledge of past events that could have really filled in, and prepared to explain, later events in book 7.

And lastly...OMG, did Harry have Dumbledore's wand at the end in the office?!? That's supposed to be buried with Dumbles!!! The funeral would have been nice, but three things were in that scene that were important that they're now going to have to explain a different way: Harry breaks up with Ginny. These was no where to be found...
Harry decides not to come back to Hogwarts to seek horcruxes and Ron and Hermione vow to come with him. Okay, they squeezed this in (barely) in another venue.


...The elder wand is buried with Dumbledore. This is important and now I do not know what they are going to do in movie 7a/7b with this. Are they going to find a way to get that wand into Dumble's tomb? Are they going to put the wand "elsewhere" and have voldie get it elsewhere and miss the whole horror of the tomb desecration and how low Voldie will go? Are they going to cut the wand out of the story all together???? Oh, heaven forbid! It's the elder wand, after all. Now what are they going to do with it?

Harry didn't have the wand when he left the office. I looked at his hand, and right after he got surprised by mcgonnagall, he lets it on the desk. And it doesn't mean that the wand won't be in the tomb because we didn't see it.

Teen love stuff, very nicely done...love potion, excellent scenes. I adored Slughorn and the whole memory retreival bit done with "luck", ending at Hagrids was extremely well done. I thought Katie's curse was chilling and I was honestly horrified over Ron's poisoning...geez, they are getting more graphic and didn't pull punch there!

So if I understand your post, you wanted HPB to last about 4 hours...

Try to think people, the movies are about harry potter. The side quests in the books rarely have a direct impact on his quest.

My gosh there are sooo many things they should have done or shouldn't have done. I've made a list of about 35 things by now for the last 2 films but I'll just list the really important things. It's not that I hated the film but compared to the books they fell short by far.

1. There should have been a funeral for Dumbledore because it's vital to the fact that he's buried with his wand and Voldemort goes to Hogwarts to get it in book 7.
2. Dumbledore didn't even tell Harry why it was important to see the memories of Tom Riddle (his character and what he looked for in making a horcrux for example)
3. The part of Bellatrix luring Harry out of the Burrow and then burning it down was dumb because she could very well have just captured him then.
4. The Burrow is suppose to be headquarters for the Order and therefore be under the fidelius charm and therefore the deatheaters shouldn't be able to find it otherwise it'd be so easy to get Harry.
5. There should have been a fight scene in the castle to show that Dumbledore actually does keep his school protected while he leaves. Where was the loyalty of the Order and why was no one fighting the deatheaters as they quietly strode out of the castle?
6. Dumbledore would not have just left Harry without his invisibility cloak and Harry certainly would never just stand by as Dumbledore unarmed was surrounded and killed by deatheaters.
7. Harry never saw the memories of the locket or goblet so how will he ever know what he's looking for in number 7? Also since they never found the locket in movie 5 while cleaning he won't be able to recognize it anyway.
8. Dumbledore didn't tell Harry he thinks Nagini is another horcrux. I guess Harry is just going to be some sort of genius and figure it all out himself.
9. They made Dumbledore say that the horcruxes could be anything. On the contrary in the book it's Harry who says that and Dumbledore corrects him saying Harry should think about the memories and what he saw of Riddle and how Riddle liked to collect things of importance and grandeur.
10. Hagrid didn't even seem all that sad about Aragog dying. Hello! It's his oldest friend!
11. No one seemed all that sad about Dumbledore dying except maybe Harry but even then not as much as he should have been.
12. Characters have been left out over the last 3 films that should be introduced by now (ex. house elves, Weasley members, Order memebers, Scrimgeor). So are the movie makers going to just spring them on us in the 7th film?
13. Dumbledore would NEVER have left Harry just standing out in the middle of the field as easy prey to go to the Burrow himself.
14. They never learn apparition so how will they just suddenly manage it in movie 7?
15. Dumbledore never explains why Harry has to stay with the Dursleys till he turns 17. And Harry would never be allowed to just wander off by himself. Besides, he hasn't got muggle money.
16. Why did they make Slughorn out to be a thieving scoundrel like Mundungus?
17. The scene at Borgin and Burkes? No one else was suppose to know about Draco's secret mission except Snape.
18. I hate the whole flying deatheaters and the fact that they don't even need wands to do magic and wreak havoc. The whole point is in book seven is that they are shocked that Voldemort can fly. I guess it's not a big deal if all his deatheaters can do it and the Order members.
19. Why is Hagrid's place so far away from the castle that they have to walk through the woods to get to it? He can hardly do his gamekeeping duties being so far away!
20. If Ginny hid Harry's potions book how will Harry find or recognise the diadem?
21. They leave out the Order members who are suppose to be the only ones putting up a fight against the deatheaters. So basically no one opposes afterall.
22. There was barely any relationship between Harry and Ginny. Since he's suppose to break up with her at the end of the book because he doesn't want them to go after her that can't happen unless he does it at the end of the summer in movie 7. Anyway, Ginny and Dean didn't even break up and Ron didn't even know about Harry and Ginny but is somehow okay with their relationship.

Well, those are just the things that really bother me about this film. I could go on forever about the other films.

Bill's face is easily explained.
Harry: Bill, what happened to you?
Fleur: E was attacked by dat vicious warevolf Greyback. O My Bill iz so brave.

But a lot better :lol: You get the idea.

Yeah, I get it. :lol: Sounds like Fleur. But I was still mad they left out that whole battle scene.

I have a question and i can't remember from the movie, but did dumbledore ever explain the meaning of the cavern? obviously we knew what the cave was for, but for those who didnt read the book, did they know what the cave was?

and also did anyone see the diadem in the ROR, because that could cause a major change in the plot of DH

I have a question and i can't remember from the movie, but did dumbledore ever explain the meaning of the cavern? obviously we knew what the cave was for, but for those who didnt read the book, did they know what the cave was?

The cave wasn't explain. There was a drawling of it in the orphanage memory and when Harry touches the ring he sees a flash of the drawling of the cave. There was no explanation about the kids and all that though.

and also did anyone see the diadem in the ROR, because that could cause a major change in the plot of DH

I really looked for the diadem, but i didn't see it. I will keep looking when i see it again. I do think they are going to try and include Ginny in the room of requirements scene in DH. There are worse changes they could make, in my opinion.

Firstly hello fellow potter fans, I registered to voice some concerns over HBP film which I saw last night, please excuse me if I miss any important details out but I have to admit the film just did not grip my full attention for most of the time.

Whilst the film is brilliant as far as films go, as a fan of the potter universe I felt let down by the silly turn of events presented to us.

Where was Dumbledore putting down the Dursley's and showing us how close he and Harry's relation was.

The underground train station scene was silly and out of character, are we to assume Harry was allowed to travel around on the trains all summer unprotected.

Madam Malkins store scene would have been good instead of Harry trying to convince us Draco is a Deatheater just because he visits a store that his family always frequents for years now.

The train scene, Harry must be a ninja to get upon a luggage rack under the cloak with a full carrage and *** at the darkness powder, no Tonks rescue nor Snape bitterness.

Where was the pressing importance of getting Slughorns correct memory, they made Harry into this big teachers pet and made Slughorn look like a fool at times. No detentions and Harry got away with nearly killing Draco yes ?

The way they explained the horcrux's was lacking, we are supposed to know that Riddle went out of his way to hunt down Hogwarts heirlooms once he left the school and we should have an idea of what he was after. No riddle family history so we are left thinking that Harry is supposed to check every possible item in the wizarding world.

Ron and Lavender took up far too much screen time and for me she way quite some way off, They handled Hermione well but what the hell with Cormack he is supposed to be a heffer no someone in good shape wanting to screw anything that moves.

No Dobby or Krecher, and Harry gets handed the cupboard, not to mention the kiss in the room of requirements which could have been placed in the commonroom celebration.

The Burrow scene was completely pointless, It showed Tonks and Lupin to be quite cold with each other, and Lupin did not explain about Greyback or his undercover work. No explaination about students who did not return to Hogwarts either.

No interraction with fellow DA members

The castle was left completely defenceless when Harry and Dumbledore made the trip to the cavern, No DA members watching Malfoy, no teachers about or aurors.

Are we to believe Harry willingly stood still and let snape and co have a head start after killing Dumbledore, after all the rebel acts we have seen him perform over the years. The snape telling Harry to be quiet ****** me off, Harry would not let Snape near a room of deatheaters and a weakened Dumbledore in a hundred years. The lack of names and conversation with the Deatheaters was also lacking Greyback commenting about the supply of children anyone ? but mostly Snape is supposed to run in practically give it a few seconds for a "severus no please" and then fly off a spell.

The way Snape and co were allowed to waltz out of the castle, The way they handled the talk about not coming back to Hogwarts, no funeral, the eldar wand been in Dumbledores office.

I am abit fuzzy on some parts or flow of the film so I definatly missed more.

edit - no telling Ginny it cannot be because she will be in danger.

Does anyone know the point of having the burrow burn down? That whole scene with the 3 death eaters attacking them there really bothers me...why take out so much and then create that whole scene that wasn't in the book at all? Also I was really disappointed that Harry wasn't spelled while Dumbledore was killed. Harry was portrayed as really struggling to jump in in the book, then you watch the movie and he just stands there. Now I think Harry will have to deal with guilt for not having stopped Draco or Snape.

I know there is a thread about scenes that could have be included in the film, but this thread is about scenes that could have been taken out. What scenes do you think could have been taken out of the film? Are there any? Or was the film just fine the way it is? Please discuss here. :)

As much as I loved the Burrow scene, I think it could have been excluded. Maybe would have made way for a real battle at Hogwarts or one or two DADA scenes with Snape. Or, maybe not...

I have a question and i can't remember from the movie, but did dumbledore ever explain the meaning of the cavern? obviously we knew what the cave was for, but for those who didnt read the book, did they know what the cave was?

and also did anyone see the diadem in the ROR, because that could cause a major change in the plot of DH

The meaning was never explained, though there was a picture in Tom Riddle’s room in the orphanage.
I couldn’t see the diadem at all. I guess the film makers don’t think the Horcruxes are as important as the rest of us.

EVERY other little thing is bearable, if only they had made sure Harry was paralysed during the fall of Dumbledore. :no: This way, he could have stopped it, but didn't. Think how much that guilt will fester in him. It ruined the ending for me. :(

I am sure Harry tries to pull a killing curse at Snape in the book.

What I really missed and what should have definitely been included in the film was the beginning where Dumbledore meets the Dursley's with Harry. That would have been a much better beginning to Harry's story than Harry checking out that waitress (which was just completely out of character for him, by the way).

As much as I loved the Burrow scene, I think it could have been excluded. Maybe would have made way for a real battle at Hogwarts or one or two DADA scenes with Snape. Or, maybe not...

I quite agree. The Burrow scene WAS cool, but I felt a bit cheated out of the fight scene at Hogwarts. So, they could have switched these.

I thought some of the memories should have included. For instance, Harry knows about the Horcrux, but has no idea about Hufflepuff's cup being stolen by Tom Riddle. And they never really explained the Horcruxes--which might be confusing to movie-goers who haven't read the books.

Ugh, don't get me STARTED! This is a short list of things that bothered me:

- No dursleys/privett drive
- No memories of the Gaunts and the artifacts
- No memories of Tom Riddle trying to get job at Hogwarts
- No quiddich with Ron playing poorly (Weasley is our King)
- Burning down the Burrow by Fenrir and Bellatrix (***???)
- Subway station waitress flirting (again ***??)
- No mention of a bezoar since first film and then suddenly it cures Ron
- No Madame Rosemerta/Hogsmeade connection
- No flight back to Hogwarts after the cave
- No invisibility cloak/petrified Harry in the tower
- No fight sequence of Death Eaters escaping Hogwarts
- No Scrimgeour
- No Fenrir mauling Bill
- Luna Lovegood finding Harry on the train by spotting wrackspurts (***?)
- Changed reason for hiding the Potion's book
- Ginny hiding the potion's book- omission of Harry hiding the book in the wardrobe under the wonky Diadem of Rowina Ravenclaw (aka HORCRUX!)
- No mention of what other special objects (Hufflepuff cup, etc)

So many plot holes now. So much missing. I'm VERY distressed. Why not take out some of the snogging and put in some of the **** that matters??

I am sure Harry tries to pull a killing curse at Snape in the book.

No. He tried the Cruciatus Curse.

No mention of a bezoar since first film and then suddenly it cures Ron

Its mentioned in the background during one of Slughorns classes with younger students.

I agree. I think the time spent on the Burrow scene could have been better used towards some of the battle at the end. The only thing the Burrow scene really did of any importance was establish that Tonks and Lupin are a couple to those who haven't read the books. Not that Tonks was very recognizable in the new hair.

I haven't read the whole thread yet - hope I'm not repeating too much.

I was really happy with the movie in general but I do think they could have had more explaination of the horcruxes and left in th Gaunt scene. I've been thinking abouthow they'll explain it all in DH and my theory is Harry might get his hands on all the other memories involving LV (he did see them all in Dumbledore's office) and just work it out himself.

I missed the "I am not worried. I am with you" line too - always loved it.

I wish they'd left in a little bit of the battle at Hogwarts. It was a bit annoying the way the Death Eaters just walked out.

And lastly I think they should have left in the Quidditch final just so they could have done the Harry/Ginny kiss properly. Oh, and Harry is supposed to break up with her at the end.

That's all for now but I'll probably think of more later!

I've only read about 4 pages of responses (working on it), but have so many comments that I need to start now or I will have to write several pages later lol...


The other memories were, indeed, missing from this movie...some very important ones. I would have liked to see them here. But, I have a feeling they are going to show up in the next one. I haven't read anyone else mentioning this (yet--but I have 6 more pages to read), but Dumbledore had something in this movie that I don't remember in the book...that towering case of "Voldemort" memories. It struck me as soon as he said it--it looked like hundreds of vials of Voldemort memories. I highly suspect that Harry's going to get into that case and watch all the memories that "should" have been in this movie, but in the next. We may even get some with Dumbledore doing that extra explanation of founders, horcruxes and what the plan should be via that method...



This is nice thinking (it agrees with mine hee hee) :tu:here's hoping!

I agree about the Burrow scene. All it did was clue us in to Tonks/Remus, and that could be done without the Burrow being attacked. Also, it never really clarified if the Burrow was actually burned down or not and if so, where are the Weasleys living now. The way it is now kind of creates potential problems for the next movie, unless the wedding's cut altogether, in which case I would be really ticked off. (On a side note, I hated the idea of the Burrow scene from the start and still think it's complete a waste of time, not even cool action-wise. The only redeeming value was Mrs. Weasley's expression.)
The waitress at the beginning was amusing to see, but again, I don't think it served any purpose to the story whatsoever and in some ways it undermined the whole Harry/Ginny subplot a little.

The waitress at the beginning was amusing to see, but again, I don't think it served any purpose to the story whatsoever and in some ways it undermined the whole Harry/Ginny subplot a little.

Yeah I agree with you there. There just wasn't a point to it at all except maybe to show that all the girls fancy Harry now.

I liked the Burrow scene but they could have shortened it and not actually destroyed the Burrow - then there could have been time for at least a duel or two at the end.

I personally like the burrow scene. It at least gave SOME action and fighting. But I think I could really have lived without the Cormac scenes. I just didn't really get how they seemed important to the plot, except to reveal Hermione's already-revealed feelings.

Does anyone know if the director has even read the books? Didn't seem like it.

The only thing that was missing for me was actually one of my favorite scenes in the book. It's when harry was in dumbledore's office and they're discussing the prophecy. Up until this point I never took the whole "love is the strongest weapon" argument seriously. But then there's this GREAT scene of realization:

"But [Harry] understood at last what Dumbledore had been trying to tell him. It was, he thought, the difference between being dragged into the arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with your head held high. Some people, perhaps, would say that there was little to choose between the two ways, but Dumbledore knew-and so do I, thought Harry, with a rush of fierce pride, and so did my parents-that there was all the difference in the world"

I know I'm being a little obsessive by looking it up :) but it's such a great chapter and shows such a development in harry's character! It was one of the many harry-dumbledore connections that I missed (also the "I'm not worried I'm with you", and the "You're really dumbledore's man through and through")

I guess it's nitpicking because otherwise I really enjoyed the movie! (Ollivander being kidnapped! Way cool!)

The Burrow scene was awesome, but IMO, it could have been replaced with some more Quidditch scenes, or possibly by a "Dumbledore's Funeral" scene...

To the person who mentioned them showing the missing memories in the next movie...

you know, I hadn't even thought about it, but they could easily pull that off. Especially since they've broken it into two films.

Introducing the Dursley's in the beginning wouldn't have been a waste of time imo because it would have shown atleast some grief for Sirius, and the new found ownership of Kreacher because of the sudden death, which wasn't explained.

Also, I have some beef about the director's leaving Dobby's parts in the movies. In the films, we rarely see how much Dobby was so loyal/devoted and caring of Harry, there was either little or none of that built up. When it comes around to Dobby defending his Harry Potter, and dying because of it, will the audience really appreciate Dobby's character afterwards? I'm thinking that they'll maybe make up for the lost dobby harry worshiping in the next movie to perhaps make his death seem upsetting as it should.

There were alot of moments in the HBP film that were soooo out of character, especially with harry NOT being immobilized? What would have been the harm of having DD immobilize Harry, it would of gave the audience the impression that there was really NOTHING that Harry could of done. I understand that DD told harry to do everything he asks of Harry and to speak to Snape, no exceptions. but really, what in the world would have the real HP done when Snape sssh'ed him? I believe that he wouldn't have just stood there underneath DD, reason why in the book, DD put a spell on HP to begin with.

The wand tribute to DD??? Harry being the only one to go up to DD's body as it lay on the ground?? Why wasn't the Order confused at Snape's betrayal? I agree with a post above me, mentioning that HP ran through the woods chasing after the DE's, then ended up at Hagrid's? That to me, seemed a little off as well.

I probably just felt this way, but didn't the season changes/transition seem weird? Hard to tell what time of the school year it was sometimes. Did it ever snow at the Burrow in the books? In the film it didn't feel so much like christmas at the Burrow unless you count the obvious Christmas tree but outside it seemed it was maybe autumn? I dont know :p

I loved the movie a lot and thought that it was a very good adaptation of the book. The only part I had an issue with was how they had to cut out a lot of the Half Blood Prince stuff do to time constraints, which I understand. The part I felt really should of gone in was the part where Snape is demanding to know where he got the book, and calls him out when he lies to him about it. It just didn't feel right, didn't have the same impact for me when Snape said, "Yes I'm the Half Blood Prince," in the movie.

I think the Funeral maybe done during DH since its obvious they need a large cast, since the casting here seems smaller than usual... This looks like a ramp up to DH... Though I wish they did snipets of the other memories weaved into a short sequenece... This is the reason why they do DH into 2 movies... I wish they added Fleur and Bill...

Im my opinion, the way the last two films will work will be good. They are not stupid, they know what they cut and what effect it will have on the films. They are aiming to pull the Harry Potter fans into the last two films to see how the things we found out in the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth books not found out in the films and essential to the plot of book seven, will play out in the final two movies.

Many things forgot in this film will not be forgot in the last two. Trust me. We will be watching DHpt1 and we will be wowing how they actually tied in the loose ends and the important plot information. These guys are really really faithful to the source material and they care about Harry Potter. They have JK Rowling helping them for god sakes. The finale will be spectacular. This was just the beggining.

@ red fairy, I completely agree. Snape seemed so one sided, and I was upset that the "Don't call me coward" line was removed. Also in that scene Harry attempts to use crucio out of blind rage. It seems like the movie spent too much time making harry look "good" and snape look "bad," which is a shame since the books turn them into really complex characters.

MORE NITPICKING! Sorry!

Whilst I hope they do wake up for the DH film both parts, they have JK "helping" now and they have screwed the plot a fair bit, so whats stopping them from doing that in DH making up parts as they go. Key stuff has been skipped in HBP which cannot be explained in the next film without looking out of place.

Things will be cut in DH. Things will be different. Even with two films they can't include everything.

I also feel the Burrow scene could of been excluded and instead have the battle at the end...I also wasn't a fan of the way the offed Dumbledore, not sure why they just didn't do it like it was in the book instead of Snape walking up and giving Harry the Shhh sign, still loved the movie though none of this was enough to make me not like it

The Waitress scene. Completely uncanon and a total waste of time, that should have been used to show Dumbledore meets the Dursleys.
The Burrow attack was OK, but did they really have to burn it?

Do you think a poll would be good for this question?

IMO, the film was awesome, I have no complaints.

But I would of loved, is dumbledores funeral. It didnt need speaking.
This is just my view, but i would done it like this:

Have the funeral in between the black lake and the forest. Have 5 seconds howing Mermaids swimming to the edge of the lake, and Centaurs at the edge of the forest. Each watching the funeral.

Have a violin in the background, and show a back of view, of people sitting looking down. Show Harry crying, and maybe McGonnogal (sorry if i spelt that wrong).
And maybe have a sad one-liner, while the screen pans up into the sky.

Do you think they should of done this or not, I know it is because they wanted to show that the Wizarding world isn't safe anymore but don't you think they could of done it differently? Especially when the wedding is held here so they are just going to rebuild it?

"DON'T-- CALL ME COWARD!"
Man, I'm not at all pleased that wasn't in there. Perhaps it would have given away too much, but while Alan Rickman's delivery of "Avada Kedavra" gave us some clue as to how painful killing Dumbledore was, it really could have stood to have that line included as well.

I also think that maybe including Lupin's information about Greyback would also have been good. Just maybe a passing reference. Not all the movie-goers are going to know he's a werewolf or what he specifically does for Voldemort.

I agree with everybody about the Waitress and the Burrow scenes. A lot of the Draco and the closet (to me) should've been cut down by a lot and give us almost no clue and just have Draco explain at the end, like in the book. That would've given much more mystery to the viewers (and allowed a memory or two or DADA).

First I would like it known that I loved the moving and am not knocking it in any way.

I'm sure that I am repeating some things but I would of loved the line, "I am not worried, Harry I am with you"

I also wish some scenes were just tweaked a bit, mainly the last 15 minutes or so. The scene where DD gets AK'd I just don't understand why they couldn't of made that more true to the book, if you're going to do the scene might as well make it legit instead of having Snape walk up and give Harry a Shh. After that I wasn't as emotionally involved like I was in the book I was confused as to why they did it like that. To me it made Harry look more like a coward rather than him not even having a chance to do anything, obviously he goes after Snape in the open field which also had me a little upset because in the book when Harry calls him a coward Snape kind of snaps a bit more and just destroys Harry, I just thought it was all put together in a weird way and then at the end its a little oh by the way I'm the Half Blood Prince...I dunno maybe I am over exaggerating about the whole thing but like I said I still really loved the movie its my 2nd favorite after Azkaban of course

Harry touching the ring and seeing Voldemort, etc. confused me. Wasn't the horcrux part of the ring destroyed already?

Okay. I think that the Dursleys could have EASILY fit in at the beginning. It would have been an extra 5 minutes for Dumbledore to talk to them. And it would not have hurt to have Tonks patrolling Hogwarts. Also, they should have mentioned that Aragog was in ill health. It seemed too like "what the heck was that?" when Aragog died. And a simple 2 minute clip of DADA explaining was Inferi were would have helped a ton. And along with that, they should have done a flashback to Harry's first year when Snape talked about the Bezor, while he was looking for something to save Ron. And also, it would not have killed Lupin to say "Oh, that was Fenrir Greyback that just attacked us, he is a werewolf too.". And also the information about Riddle's obsession with the Hogwarts Founder's possessions would have greatly helped. And Dean didn't have a single line! And I think Neville had one. Blaze didn't have one either. Also, they should have explained the Katie/Leanne thing better. And don't even get me started on the House Elves. End rant.

Definitely the burrow scene and the waitress scene, although those are already mentioned.

Less of Draco and Cormac, there was no need to show Draco trying to fix the vanishing cabinet so much, after the first couple times we got it, and Cormac really isn't that important to the plot. Not nearly as important as, say, Dobby and Kreacher, and they aren't even mentioned! Do non-readers even know that Sirius left Harry his house? That Kreacher now belongs to Harry? Will they even care when Dobby dies in DH?

Less of the R/Hr/Lavender triangle and a little more H/G, because IMO Harry's relationship is a little more important (since he is the main character...) and Ron/Lavender with Hermione being upset got much more screen time.

One small thing that I would have like to see included, was a brief scene where McGonagall takes over as acting headmistress of the school. This is mainly because she is one of my favorite characters in the series. Granted there were far more important scenes that I would have placed above even that, all of which we have covered over the past 12 pages.

Was there actually any point to the waitress scene? And Harry left The Daily Prophet on the table. So much for the Secrecy Act.

There are a lot of other things that might have been included instead of that. How about Snape in the Flight of the Prince. Don't call me coward. Keep your mind closed and your mouth shut. Those two lines should absolutely have been included.

As far as the memories, I would of like to have seen all the pensieve trips, especially with the Gaunts. Although, they did a pretty good job with the movie, but they could of had fun with all the Gaunt characters.

Yea the waitress scene was a big waste and seemed like it was plugged in there so that girl could get face time on a big movie. I wonder if she was related to someone working on the film.

Of all the things they left out of the movie, the only one that really angered me was that Dumbledore doesn't freeze Harry on the tower. That changes the character. Harry would never stand by and watch his mentor get killed. It made him seem cowardice, and we all know that's not true.

To me, this felt like when the Star Wars Special Edition came out and they changed the cantina scene so that Greedo shoots first. In the original movie, Han Solo shot first, which is part of what made him character so cool. I really think this is Harry Potter's "Han shot first!" moment. :p

Some guy has even made a "Dumbledore Stuns Harry" t-shirt:

http://www.cafepress.com/AllPrep.398117607

I was a bit confused with Bill and Fleur being left out. What are they going to do with DH? Just be like "oh bye the way, we're having a wedding!" Because they have to get married, unless of course they take out Shell Cottage..

I don't get why the Burning Burrow was included at all. Why didn't the Weasleys just put it out with magic?

I didn't understand the burrow scene at all, unless this is leading to something in the later movie. They showed nothing of Charlie and Fleur in this movie so then maybe there will be no wedding in the next movie?

The waitress scene was definitely very, very stupid and unnecessary in my opinion. It's like they're telling us how desperate and alone Harry is in the world, which he IS NOT!

I didn't understand the burrow scene at all, unless this is leading to something in the later movie. They showed nothing of Charlie and Fleur in this movie so then maybe there will be no wedding in the next movie?

And yes, there will be a wedding in DH - there are pictures of Harry, Ron, and Hermione in Tottenham Court Road in their wedding robes. They would never cut that out - they know right well that the true HP fans would never forgive them! :lol:

Do I even have to say it? :lol: The Burrow scene most definitely. I thought it was a complete waste of time.

The Waitress scene. Completely uncanon and a total waste of time, that should have been used to show Dumbledore meets the Dursleys.
The Burrow attack was OK, but did they really have to burn it?

Do you think a poll would be good for this question?
Yes, I would've enjoyed it better if Dumbledore had met the Dursleys instead. It seems completely out of character for Harry as well.

The waitress scene was definitely very, very stupid and unnecessary in my opinion. It's like they're telling us how desperate and alone Harry is in the world, which he IS NOT!



And yes, there will be a wedding in DH - there are pictures of Harry, Ron, and Hermione in Tottenham Court Road in their wedding robes. They would never cut that out - they know right well that the true HP fans would never forgive them! :lol:

About the waitress scene, I'm wondering if giving the feelings of being alone in the world was a nod at the usual starting out at the Dursley's. I always like the contrast between Harry going from the Dursly's to the magical world.
Also, the paper he's reading, I didn't notice any of the pics moving.


I'm glad they are keeping the wedding scene. It's weird when you expect things in the movies and it totally changes on you.

I think rather then explain every little thing about the different horcruxs, they will do flash backs in the next movie to Dumbledore explaining this stuff to Harry, with or without pensive memories. Why? Because including the information in this movie would add nothing to this movie. And then in the next movie, you'd be expecting the viewer to remember any information, which is unrealistic and would make the next movie confusing.

More likely I think, is given the 4 hours + of runtime DH is looking at, we'll have a nice flash back or two to any information required. It also gives us a chance to see dumbledore in DH p1 and p2.

Am I the only one who actually liked the Burrow scene? I thought it was good that we saw first-hand what the Death Eaters could do - this was accomplished in the book through a handful of minor characters receiving bad news regarding losses (i.e. Hannah Abbott, Susan Bones, etc.), but since that couldn't be done in the film, we saw the destruction of a home belonging to a family the film audience is very familiar with. Made the Death Eaters more menacing to me. That and I think it gave us more time to watch Harry and Ginny's relationship flourish, and I thought it was done better here than when they finally kissed. Seeing Ginny run after Harry and putting herself in immense danger was, I thought, a particularly good example of how much she cared for him.

As for excluding a scene, I know it was only a moment, but I think actually showing Ollivander being captured was somewhat irrelevant. Having the trio enter the shop later made the point clear enough without us actually having to see it. I was glad to see Quidditch back, but as it wasn't particularly substantial, I wouldn't have been sad to see it go. Oh, and Ginny and Harry in the Room of Requirement was probably the worst scene of the entire film - should've been done in its original form, not that corny mess.

As for excluding a scene, I know it was only a moment, but I think actually showing Ollivander being captured was somewhat irrelevant. Having the trio enter the shop later made the point clear enough without us actually having to see it. I was glad to see Quidditch back, but as it wasn't particularly substantial, I wouldn't have been sad to see it go. Oh, and Ginny and Harry in the Room of Requirement was probably the worst scene of the entire film - should've been done in its original form, not that corny mess.
Oh yes, I had forgotten about the Ollivander scene. That was awkward and totally unnecessary. I know they must've put for later on in DH, but it didn't really need to be included. Some people didn't even know who it was despite the Ollivander sign on the shop. :shrug:

New to this site, but you've given me a place to vent.. I agree with the many comments already posted, and some of the responses have helped me be more OK with things I had been disappointed in, so thanks.

Here are some thoughts (some repeats) and some things I haven't seen mentioned yet.

*Bridge/waitress intro - waste. The bridge scene (I thought it looked fake) might have been OK if it led into the minister's meeting, but I'd have rathered to just see a short meeting with them alluding to it. And ditto to the comments about Harry wandering off alone.. he wouldn't have (especially in light of what we just saw with the death eaters)!
*Durseys house - one small scene, ideally the goblets, but if you don't want to bring the actors back, then refer to them off camera. Would have rathered this to open the film. Might have been a nice place to mention to Harry that he inherited all of Sirius' stuff (and Kreacher). Even if they won't come into the movie it would have acknowledged his death and offered a chance to show his pain.
*Snape/Sisters meeting - Kind of liked it. Gave enough info to non-readers and loved that Bella called Snape a coward - would have worked so well if he then protested at being called a coward again at the end to Harry the way we all wanted. Opportunity lost here (he would have done it so well!)
*There was a mention of a bezoar during the lecture Harry overhead - but why not make the words be related to what Harry could have seen in the Potions book ("shove a bezoar down his throat") to tie in how he knew what to do for Ron. Non-readers were lost on that.
*DADA with Snape. Could have been short but could have explained what inferi were and that dialogue, and included that line to Snape about "Sir" which earned him the detention that could have had him miss the finals, which would have led to the kiss with Ginny that would have worked much better than the one in the RoR. Another opportunity lost.
*Harry nearly kills Draco and Snape says nothing about it...what?! and his reaction was to hide a book...nonsense.
*I completely missed that it was Greybeck in the burrow...this scene was pointless to me. If it was to show that Harry was so consumed with hate for Bellatrix over her killing Sirious that still didn't work... and if he would act without thought over this then,
*Harry NEVER would have just stood still while he could do something if Dumbledore was in danger. That's why it was written that he couldn't move. That was yet another easy thing to do to keep true to the story.
*Funeral - OK, maybe I can give that up if only when they were holding their wands up, Fawkes flew over and did the lament. That might have brought the tears that came reading it but not seeing it this way.

Things that were stupid (to the point of mistakes, imho):
*Arthur Weasley telling Harry that the only thing found was an old vanishing cabinet...and then when he and Ginny are in the RoR, and the bird is in a vanishing cabinet how doesn't Harry make the connection?! First, I was annoyed it was revealed so early but then if you are going to have it, it could have been the reason for Harry to give everyone the Felix while they were gone in case something came of it and led to a small battle scene (some of the Order, and the DA kids) that was so clearly missed... that was just plain nonsense to me. I didn't need to see the fire scene at the Burrow or see Bellatrix burn Hagrid's hut.. but this would have tied it in and been OK.
*The ring reacting to Harry - dumb. The horcrux was destroyed (or it was supposed to have been) so it would have been nothing but a ring to Harry and should not have had any reaction at all..
*You can't apparate in/out of Hogwarts - not even DD...stupid rule to break for the movie...they could have gone to Hogsmeade easy enough.


Did like:
*Hermione drunk scene
*Party scene and Harry calling the food "Dragon Balls" and Snape getting puked on.
*Harry on Felix at Hagrid's especially and Slughorn's Lily memory.
*Ron's reaction to the love potion
*WWW store

Was OK with these being left out since we have to give some thing up:
*Different Tonks/Lupin story
*Bill/Fleur story (and even the attack scene)
*Missing house elves

vent over - thanks.

While I miss the fight at hogwarts... I felt that it would have detracted from the focus on harry and draco. The movie really only led up to the part in the tower.
And seeing as Dumbledore and Harry apparated straight to the tower... it would have broken things up to randomly have the battle AND then go to the tower again.

Just showing the death eaters getting to hogwarts and straight to Dumbledore.

The attack at the burrow seemed better because that was the one place everyone felt safe... and the one place everyone in the movie could see used to be a safe place.

Hogwarts has been attacked too many times to truely call it a safe place in the movie. And having the battle in the 6th book would probably lessen the feel for the final battle.

As has already been said, the waitress scene and the Burrow scene.

The waitress scene not only wasted time and added nothing to the film, it was drastically out of character. Harry Potter at this stage in the game would never be in public without necessity, and especially alone. It was ludicrous that the writers even thought this a viable possibility. Not only was he unguarded in public, flirting carelessly with a waitress as if he had not fought Death Eaters only two months prior (can you tell I'm mad about this?), he was reading a magical newspaper in plain sight of muggles: an overt violation of the International Statute of Wizarding Secrecy. I wish the movie began at the Dursleys as the book did. It would have been nice to remind the audience that it was necessary for Harry to room and board with them yearly for his protection, especially since the next movie will (er, should) showcase this protection ending with his maturation.

And the Burrow scene, just a complete waste of film-time that could have been used effectively in the ending with DD's funeral or the fight scene.

I also agree that the scenes revealing exactly what Malfoy was up to could have been done away with, such as Mr. Weasley telling Ron about the cabinet in Borgin and Burkes (who then told Harry), and seeing Malfoy over and over mess with the cabinet. How about just showing Malfoy disappear into the Room of Requirement occasionally? While the Malfoy storyline was the most interesting in the movie imo, they dropped the ball a little too early by introducing the magical cabinets. I would have preferred a big reveal at the end like the book rather than knowing exactly what he was up to.

I think the teen angst could have been cut in half. While the blooming romances were a huge thing in the book, there were still bigger fish that fried, such as the DD/HP relationship, Half-Blood Prince mystery, and Voldemort memories/Horcruxes. In the book, I see the romance aspect as getting 25% of the focus, in the movie it got at least 50%, if not more, and at the sorrowful expense of more important story-lines. Within the movie's romance storylines, we saw way too much of Herm/Ron/Lav, but not enough Harry/Ginny (proportions again did not reflect the book).

Even though it was neat to see Fred and George's store, I think WWW could have been taken out, merely because it took up precious screen time that could have been devoted to heavier story-lines, and knowing about their store had no consequence on the rest of the movie.

For me, what detracted from the story are the breaking basic rules that were explained from the beginning. Secrecy of the wizarding world and no apperating from the grounds at Hogwarts.

I absolutely enjoyed the film, but I need boundaries.

Harry knows better than to leave something like the Daily Prophet laying around, which also leads to the much discussed scene that didn't need to be there in the 1st place.

Apperating from Hogwarts, come on... you want to save some time in scripting have DD ask HP to meet me @ the front gate. DD could have his little conversation with Snape there and problem solved without breaking the rules.

Not to harp on this but I am still wondering what people's reactions were after Dumbledore saw the complete memory of Slughorn concerning horcruxes. He sits down, almost seems out of breath or scared, saying this is darker magic than he imagined. To me, it seemed he didn't know that Tom had made ANY horcruxes at all -- hence why they changed *** partial memory so that it didn't even mention horcruxes.

Yeah, neart, I didn't get this either. How could he say that this is darker magic than he imagined when all along he was suspecting horcruxes??? It totally didn't make sense, and was even a little out of character for Dumbledore (for 99% of the time his suspicions are reality). It would have made much more sense for Dumbledore to sit down, out of breath, and say gravely, "So it is true."

Here's my problem with the Burrow scene...it made no sense within the context of that world. Why would Bellatrix lure them away from the house, and then hide out in the cornfield to simply double back and attack the house? Really, the house? Why would she not try to duel or kidnap Harry or something. All she did was taunt him away and then hide?

Also, if the house's defenses were so weak, why would Dumbledore have dumped Harry off outside alone at the beginning? From a plot standpoint there are gaping holes in this little scene.

Here's my problem with the Burrow scene...it made no sense within the context of that world. Why would Bellatrix lure them away from the house, and then hide out in the cornfield to simply double back and attack the house? Really, the house? Why would she not try to duel or kidnap Harry or something. All she did was taunt him away and then hide?

Also, if the house's defenses were so weak, why would Dumbledore have dumped Harry off outside alone at the beginning? From a plot standpoint there are gaping holes in this little scene.

You definitely have some good points - Bellatrix certainly could've toyed more with Harry, rather than lure him away from the house. And as the house is a weak point, it does seem illogical for Dumbledore to have brought him there.

The way I see it though, the scene was really to stress that, perhaps, there are no safe areas in the wizarding world anymore, a realization that occurs in the book as well. Destroying the Burrow was simply a precursor to the break-in at Hogwarts. All of Harry's safe-havens are brought down, a motif that will crop up again in "Deathly Hallows".

I think that the Death Eaters were never intending to kill anyone during that particular attack, as killing Dumbledore at the year's end was their big murder, and they probably did not want that overshadowed. Destroying the Burrow was more of a warning and a show of might to Harry, as I see it.

I may be repeating a lot that others have said, but after seeing this film TWICE, I've liked certain parts more, and gotten upset that other parts were put in or left out. I'm fine with 'trimming the fat' as it were, but I agree that some of the scenes they changed were for the worse, not better, and if they had been done closer as they were in the book, it would've been fine. It makes me doubt Kloves, Yates and Heyman's instincts at this point. The MAJOR plot lines/relationships that I were disappointed with were:
1. Snape, esp. the part where Harry finds out that Snape is the one who told the prophecy to Voldemort! How COULD they have left this out??? Even if Emma Thompson wasn't in the film, they could've figured out a way for Harry to learn this, right? This is a key point to Harry (and the audience) having SO much more anger at Snape, and doubting Dumbledore's trust in him.

I'm SHOCKED they left this out of the film. Shocked. Additionally, I agree with others it would've been worth it to show Harry wondering 'who IS this Half-Blood Prince, anyway?' Instead they did a pathetic little montage of the book's images, with Hermione harping over it, but Harry was completely disinterested. I wish he gave a damn, then maybe we would've given a damn and maybe even be a little surprised to learn that Snape was the Half-Blood Prince.

Also, though I adore Rickman like everyone else, I think his acting (or more likely, Yates' directing) was misguided. Snape showed uncertainty during the Unbreakable Vow, but Snape MUST be a better actor in front of his fellow Death Eaters, in order to be this super double agent. And when Harry called him a coward, Snape should've been more overtly furious and upset. Cause, for geez sake, he just killed Dumbledore, whom he respected, whose side he was on, and Harry calls him a coward, when he has NO IDEA what Snape's gone through. And then Harry just laid limp on his side, not even wondering if Hagrid might be in his hut that was on fire. Shameful directing in this.

2. Voldemort didn't make Horcruxes out of ordinary objects! The wording was so misguided, I have no idea how Harry will ever find the Horcruxes. "Magic leaves traces"??? How the he** will Harry detect these traces? Rowling makes a point to show that, although you can make anything into a Horcrux, Voldemort would've only used objects with a great deal of meaning to him, showing his acceptance into the wizarding world, i.e. Hogwarts objects, and then putting them in meaningful places, like Gringotts. How will Harry put 2 and 2 together when Dumbledore not only didn't explain these basic elements, but told him something completely wrong??

3. I think the filmmakers made a choice to emphasize the developing relationship/strife btw. Hermione and Ron, a couple we all love, in lieu of better developing the relationship btw. Harry and Ginny. There are good arguments for why they didn't have time to better develop both, but I still think that they would've done better to stick to what was closer in the book, i.e. not have Lavendar and Ron do the kiss that Harry and Ginny should've had, and bring Ginny forth a bit more. I suspect the reason is that the actress who plays Ginny just isn't very good. I appreciate she's the same actress from all the films, but I feel they really worked hard to get from her what they could, and she's just not able to give the 'hard, blazing look' and the popular, humorous, strong Ginny we saw in the book, so they limited her screen time so we wouldn't notice. And what's with all of Harry's kisses being in perfect profile? They're so much more 3 dimentional in the books. Disappointing, but I'm happy with how they handled the Hermione / Ron / Lavendar triangle, and I feel we just had to live with one or the other.

4. Burrow, Lupin/Tonks, Fleur/Bill - this is all secondary to the top 3 disappointments I had above, but I agree with everyone that these choices didn't pay off. I can see how the filmmakers may not've known that Fleur / Bill would be any big deal in the coming book while they were writing the script, but don't they get approval from Rowling? Couldn't she have told them not to cut them out completely??

From interviews and photos of the next film, Fleur and Bill will be in it, and they will have Shell Cottage, etc. Bill will have been messed up by a werewolf, but (according to Heyman), they're just going to plop them into the film like they did the relationship with Lupin/Tonks in this one. Like, oh yeah, you've never met my brother Bill, he was recently attacked by a werewolf, pretty sad, and he's marrying Fleur of all people! And we're going to their wedding today, didn't i tell you??

Just kinda stupid way to do it I think.

I'm okay with them not explaining how/when/why Lupin and Tonks got together, but it makes me sad that they may not emphasize this relationship or their connection to Harry, cause when they die and Harry becomes the godfather to their son, it won't be very powerful or meaningful anymore. I don't have faith they will pick this up well in the next film, unfortunately.

The Burrow!! I'm mainly annoyed because this risk of theirs didn't pay off. They wanted some suspenseful-noone is safe,not even the Burrow-scene, and I think they also wanted to show Ginny being more bold and protective of Harry which was nice, but it just didn't work. In the end, no point, and burning everyone's favorite home and watching Molly Weasley cry like that was just cruel and unnecessary. And took up precious time they could've used later for....oh, i don't know....memorializing Dumbledore just a tad bit more, or explaining what the Horcruxes may be? Or is that not important?

Wow. There's so much about this film I loved, but at the moment, I'm obsessing about these massive holes. I want to be reasonable about what their time limitations may've been, but some of this would've taken very little time to better explain (or no more time, if they would've just explained it in a different way), and it showed some recklessness on their parts. Now worried for the final two films a bit.

Was there actually any point to the waitress scene? And Harry left The Daily Prophet on the table. So much for the Secrecy Act.
Yes there was. Just to explain Harry interacting with the cafe girl was not a waste of time. Great instance of showing and not telling.

Shows that Harry is single and therefore interested in girls again.
Shows early that girls are interested in him. Which sets the tone for the rest of the trio having their own suitors seeking them out.
Sets tone for the rom-com elements as a dominant part of the film. I don't personally like it but still at least it's appropriate foreshadowing for the content ahead. All in the first 10 minutes.

That is open to interpretation of course, but that's seems to be the most logical and cinematic conclusion.

Yeah, neart, I didn't get this either. How could he say that this is darker magic than he imagined when all along he was suspecting horcruxes??? It totally didn't make sense, and was even a little out of character for Dumbledore (for 99% of the time his suspicions are reality). It would have made much more sense for Dumbledore to sit down, out of breath, and say gravely, "So it is true."

Well he was definitely suspecting Horcruxes when he came across the diary, but he was surprised that Voldemort would treat a Horcrux so lightly; use it as a weapon and running a very high risk of it being destroyed.
So he knew that there had to be more Horcruxes, and he located the ring, which had a prodigious curse on it, so powerful that he did not have much longer to live after destroying it.

He needed to find out how many Horcruxes there were, and on finding out that there were seven he was understandably moved. He would not be able to destroy more than one more at the most, Harry would have to get the remaining three by himself.

No wonder he looked so worried.

I think his reaction was the number of 7 - and that many was unheard of and such, darker magic than he could have expected. He knew of 2 because he had the diary and ring together. I thought in the movie he told Harry that the reason the memory was so important (after they saw the full memory) was because up to then it he was working on just a theory (multiple horcruxes) and having the memory gave him the number he needed.

Blowing up the burrow??? Wha? Don't they need that for the wedding later? Are they going to skip the whole wedding now...move important events that happened at the wedding to a new venue? What the heck? They could have filled in some more important horcrux information with the time they wasted on this scene...

And Bill was totally gone. No Fenrir bite, no Fluer, ....no wedding?

I'll bet you $5 that they don't have a wedding in DH. I think they will use Harry's Birthday party instead of the wedding.

My biggest issue with the Burrow burning - don't have Molly (albeit well acted) looking in anguish, have her step up and put the fire out! She can DO magic and all. And she's going to be the one to kill Bella in DH - so get her a determined look now and start doing something about fixing her home and wanting revenge later. Geez that was such a missed opportunity!

What was Greyback doing in the movie at all, he played no role. If Dd even just said to Draco at the end that he was surprised that Draco would bring someone like that near his friends it would have been worth it.

The only thing that actually bothered me was a lack of explanation about the horcruxes. I'm not sure how they'll explain that Harry knows/suspects what the remaining horcruxes are in the next movie. And they didn't even say why they were going to the cave. I know there was a picture of it in Tom's room, but I'd imagine those who haven't read the books would be slightly confused.

I agree with a lot of people about the Burrow scene. Yes, it did give us a little bit of action, but honestly, I would have rather seen Dumbledore's funeral instead. Also, my friend pointed out that the Aragog death scene seemed to pop out of no where, but when I told her why it was there, she still said it was very random. Anyone agree, because I'm not sure if I do.

Well he was definitely suspecting Horcruxes when he came across the diary, but he was surprised that Voldemort would treat a Horcrux so lightly; use it as a weapon and running a very high risk of it being destroyed.
So he knew that there had to be more Horcruxes, and he located the ring, which had a prodigious curse on it, so powerful that he did not have much longer to live after destroying it.

He needed to find out how many Horcruxes there were, and on finding out that there were seven he was understandably moved. He would not be able to destroy more than one more at the most, Harry would have to get the remaining three by himself.

No wonder he looked so worried.

While all of this is true in the book, the words DD said in the movie after seeing the full memory implied he had no idea about horcruxes, not to what extent that they were used.... at least that is how I immediately interpreted it (and a few others as well). In the book, DD's suspicions and revelations are developed very well so all of this is easily understood. Not so in the movie. This will be a scene I pay particular attention to as I re-watch it.

I think they should have at least showed a small scene for DD funeral. It was a little too abrupt for me just to show his body lying on the ground.

And I really didn't get the beginning. Why was Harry even in the restraunt and tlakign to that waitress? And what was a magical restraunt doing near a subway-place where muggles go?

Also kinda wished they'd did more with Fenrir's part and the DH in some other scene. Kind of wanted the wedding or for it to at least be mentioned in the movie. Also at the end I wished they'd built up more interest in the mvie about Snape being the HBP so people would actually have been surprised.

I agree. I think the time spent on the Burrow scene could have been better used towards some of the battle at the end. The only thing the Burrow scene really did of any importance was establish that Tonks and Lupin are a couple to those who haven't read the books. Not that Tonks was very recognizable in the new hair.
Actually more than that because cinematicly it established a few more things:


Ginny's at home and trying to get closer/flirt with Harry. It mirrors Harry's interest/infatuation with Ginny from the beginning of the film because it reciprocates her love for him in the same place The Burrow. Also it seems to be a safer place to do it since people might associate that if they did something similar at school, it might imply she was cheating on Dean. In this setting it seems far less likely.


Bellatrix and Fenrir as villains. We do know they are, but that was from the beginning of the film. The audience needs a reminder of who the villains and show them actually attacking something in the wizarding world. Not only that it serves to establish them as the enemies that Snape would link up with in the end which would make people think "Hey it's the meanies who blew up the house" as opposed to "Who are those guys? They're from the beginning...right? I forgot about that...what time is it?"


Lupin and Tonks: A entirely forgettable scene questioning Snape's loyalty and Dumbledore's judgment however I can find no other way to have another outside-Hogwarts party emphasize this point (as well with reminding people of the Order still being active) or how to reintroduce Lupin and Tonks in a more appropriate setting. Hogwarts is out, owl seems useless and Hogsmeade was a setting for another happening. It's a nice little symbolism how you can associate this trust with the Burrow and when it get's destroyed it foreshadows the apparent destruction of that trust later in the film.

I've never really been incredibly picky with the films. If they included everything it would be confusing for a lot of people and really long. But one part in the book, which is Bill becoming a werewolf, I really liked that and just wish it had been included somehow with a bigger battle.

But overall I think this was the best movie so far. A good mix of comedy and serious.

I didnt really mind the waitress scene. Looking at it from the point of pleasing non-readers, I thought it was reather good. Just showing how Harry is growing up, you know, he's interested in girls. I watched it with my sister, who hasn't read the books, and she liked that part.

As for the Burrow burning, I seem to be the only person who liked that! Yes, they can do magic and put it out, but that would be boring wouldn't it. I think it showed so well just how serious things are getting and will get in the future. Who cares if they didnt put it out, they were horror struck at what had just happened. I loved it.

They did a good job this time. I have no real bugging complaints.

[QUOTE=xFluerDelacourx;5361910]And I really didn't get the beginning. Why was Harry even in the restraunt and tlakign to that waitress? And what was a magical restraunt doing near a subway-place where muggles go?
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It was a muggle restaurant because the waitress commented on that she sometimes "thought" she saw the pictures in his paper move...had it been a magical restaurant, she'd never have thought twice about the photos moving.

The whole waitress scene could have been excluded and Dumbledore picking up Harry at the Dursley's should have been included..

I'm curious why they even included Greyback..he doesn't attack Bill like in the book so does he really need to make an appearance at all?

I disagree with a lot of you. First off, the waitress scene. It was a good scene that didn't last to long, about 2 minutes, and foreshadowed one of the principal theme of the movie. Then, everyone is saying that it would have been better to have the dumby at the dursley's scene in the movie than the waitress. Well, Dumby at the Dursley's would have been a scene lasting at least 10 minutes, they didn't have that time.

The Burrow attack scene. Well for me it was a great scene. Without it, people who didn't read the books wouldn't have the impression that the wizarding world is under attack and that no one is safe no more. The scene helped establish the ginny/harry relationship that was almost unexistant up till then. It also reminded the audience of the vilains are and that they are still causing havoc in the world.

Finally, the omission of a battle at the end. I found they did it very well. Without having a fight, the DE seem even more powerful, they manage to get in and out of hogwarts before anyone noticed.

All of this set really well the tone for the two last films. There is danger in the air, and everyone knows it now.

Dobby. Considering his rather significant scene in DH, I would have liked to seen him at least make a cameo in this one, just to remind the audience that he's still around, and that he still loves Harry.

Dobby. Considering his rather significant scene in DH, I would have liked to seen him at least make a cameo in this one, just to remind the audience that he's still around, and that he still loves Harry.
But sadly Steven Cloves, David Yates, and David Heyman thought it was not important :(

Actually more than that because cinematicly it established a few more things:


Ginny's at home and trying to get closer/flirt with Harry....


Bellatrix and Fenrir as villains....


Lupin and Tonks...


I agree with your points and see what you are saying. I want to clarify, my main rant about the Burrow scene specifically pertains to the point where they are standing on the porch and after. I have no beef with the part prior to that with the dinner and the flirting. I don't even mind that Bellatrix and Fenrir attacked and reinforced themselves as the badguys in the moviegoer's minds. I'm bothered by the fact that they were able to get so close to the house, when that house has been specifically protected or they would never have let Harry go there. Why not attack the fields around the house and menace at them from the disance showing they can't cross the circle of flame around the house and get closer? That would give the good guys a chance to freak out on the porch, etc. and still get the point across. Once Harry is out in the fields, it makes no sense to me that Bellatrix wouldn't do more. Even when she knows she's not supposed to, she still attacks him at the end. It's not in her nature to hide and attack a house instead, nor in her self restraint from what we've seen.

I'm curious why they even included Greyback..he doesn't attack Bill like in the book so does he really need to make an appearance at all?

I think it's important to establish who he is, but I'd have liked to have seen more details, like hearing he was the Big Bad Werewolf or maybe a brief comment in the Burrow scene where someone mentions Fenrir's name and Lupin says quietly that Fenrir is the one who made him a werewolf when he was a boy. Or how about in the tower, when Dumbledore would say to Draco he was surprised he brought Fenrir with him when Draco has friends in the school, punctuated by Fenrir making a lewd face and showing his fangs? (Unless perhaps I missed a moment when they did this, the AC broke in my theatre and we all drank so much to deal with it, that I had to run to the restroom 3 or 4 times :( )

Where was the new minister of magic? Well yes, I know that they are going to be introducing him in the DH, but still. I would have liked to see him in this one also.
Where was the fight at Hogwarts? Where was Bill and Fleur? Where was the Remus who wasn't sure about Tonks and their relationship? And where was the burial? And where was the phoenix song? Yeah, yeah, they showed the phoenix, but where was the sad but beautiful song?

I think the automatic excuse "there wasn't enough time to do that so they did this instead" is bogus. There are some really crappy movies that are 90 minutes long, and legendary movies that run three, four, even five hours (and vice versa of course). I know with most films, the attention span of the audience is likely a huge factor in deciding film length, but this is HP--- the audience's attention is already there, ready and waiting, thoroughly ecstatic with anticipation for how the story might unfold on-screen.

I would have preferred this movie to be 3+ hours long and thoroughly cover the "meat" of the story, rather than see the story butchered for the sake of time. If the movie is done well, 3+ hours can snap by quickly.

*Bridge/waitress intro - waste. The bridge scene (I thought it looked fake) might have been OK if it led into the minister's meeting, but I'd have rathered to just see a short meeting with them alluding to it. And ditto to the comments about Harry wandering off alone.. he wouldn't have (especially in light of what we just saw with the death eaters)!
*Durseys house - one small scene, ideally the goblets, but if you don't want to bring the actors back, then refer to them off camera. Would have rathered this to open the film. Might have been a nice place to mention to Harry that he inherited all of Sirius' stuff (and Kreacher). Even if they won't come into the movie it would have acknowledged his death and offered a chance to show his pain.
*Snape/Sisters meeting - Kind of liked it. Gave enough info to non-readers and loved that Bella called Snape a coward - would have worked so well if he then protested at being called a coward again at the end to Harry the way we all wanted. Opportunity lost here (he would have done it so well!)
*There was a mention of a bezoar during the lecture Harry overhead - but why not make the words be related to what Harry could have seen in the Potions book ("shove a bezoar down his throat") to tie in how he knew what to do for Ron. Non-readers were lost on that.
*DADA with Snape. Could have been short but could have explained what inferi were and that dialogue, and included that line to Snape about "Sir" which earned him the detention that could have had him miss the finals, which would have led to the kiss with Ginny that would have worked much better than the one in the RoR. Another opportunity lost.
*Harry nearly kills Draco and Snape says nothing about it...what?! and his reaction was to hide a book...nonsense.
*I completely missed that it was Greybeck in the burrow...this scene was pointless to me. If it was to show that Harry was so consumed with hate for Bellatrix over her killing Sirious that still didn't work... and if he would act without thought over this then,
*Harry NEVER would have just stood still while he could do something if Dumbledore was in danger. That's why it was written that he couldn't move. That was yet another easy thing to do to keep true to the story.
*Funeral - OK, maybe I can give that up if only when they were holding their wands up, Fawkes flew over and did the lament. That might have brought the tears that came reading it but not seeing it this way.

Things that were stupid (to the point of mistakes, imho):
*Arthur Weasley telling Harry that the only thing found was an old vanishing cabinet...and then when he and Ginny are in the RoR, and the bird is in a vanishing cabinet how doesn't Harry make the connection?! First, I was annoyed it was revealed so early but then if you are going to have it, it could have been the reason for Harry to give everyone the Felix while they were gone in case something came of it and led to a small battle scene (some of the Order, and the DA kids) that was so clearly missed... that was just plain nonsense to me. I didn't need to see the fire scene at the Burrow or see Bellatrix burn Hagrid's hut.. but this would have tied it in and been OK.
*The ring reacting to Harry - dumb. The horcrux was destroyed (or it was supposed to have been) so it would have been nothing but a ring to Harry and should not have had any reaction at all..
*You can't apparate in/out of Hogwarts - not even DD...stupid rule to break for the movie...they could have gone to Hogsmeade easy enough.




I AGREE!!!!! .... I just can't believe they actually the screen writer and director actually thought this was "the best way to go". I'm so dissappointed and sad about this latest installment I could cry.

My vote is for the Burrow scene. As well filmed as it was and as much as I liked that Harry and Ginny got a moment together, I didn't see in any way how having that scene in the movie furthered or added to the plot at all.

I completley agree with eat_sluggs and bulfrogg. There is no excuse for doing a thing wrong. I understand that you can not do a word for word rendition of the books, but if you are going to add something new, it HAS TO MAKE SENSE, otherwise, remove it and save it for the DVD "cut scenes".

If time was so important, they could have taken away these 2 scenes - waitress and burrow - (without adding anything else) and it would have made a much better movie.

On top of all, if, by taking away these scenes, they were able to build some time to add scens that were true to the plot and the book, that would have made all of us happier fans. We aren't (at least I am not). I feel cheated.

The waitress at the beginning was amusing to see, but again, I don't think it served any purpose to the story whatsoever and in some ways it undermined the whole Harry/Ginny subplot a little.
I agree that the waitress scene could have been cut, but for different reasons. I do feel that it served a purpose, to introduce the more casual audience to Harry's search for love in this film. It set the stage for his relationship with Ginny later on. I thought it sort of broke the mood that was set by the intro however. We went from Harry, still shaken at the loss of Sirius, to Harry hitting on waittresses in the space of around 30 seconds. It didn't really seem in character.

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I really enjoyed the Burrow scene. It introduced Harry and Ginny's relationship and represented the removal of one of Harry's safe havens, all leading up to the Death Eater's entry into Hogwarts.

the scenes with cormac and hermione were uneccessary. as was the one with the girl at the train station. i feel that we really needed a proper action scene at hogwarts. it was desperately needed for more action because there seemed to be a lack of it throughout the movie.

The Burrow scene, what a waste of time! Really, what was the point? And the waitress at the beginning too, but that didn't bother me nearly as much as burning down the Burrow.

What was Greyback doing in the movie at all, he played no role. If Dd even just said to Draco at the end that he was surprised that Draco would bring someone like that near his friends it would have been worth it.

i absolutely agree, i mean he's a warewolf after all they could have done so much with that. instead bit of a wasted oppertunity.

also there was really no need for the waitress scene in the beginning,

burning the weasleys place-so unnecessary:no: if they're lookin for plausable reasons for molly killing bellatrix in DH then surely love for her familly is enough, since lilly's love after all is what kept harry alive in the first place!

the more i think of it this film really hasn't stayed true to the characters, harry definitly should have been stuned under his cloak in dumbledores death scene. he would not have stood back to watch the goings on, even when snape says 'sshh'.
the fight after after this between the order and the DE should have been there- no aurors (who by the way are supposed to be patrolling hogwarts!) or teachers would have let all those DE's just waltz out the castle without a fight!!

ron and hermione's relationship- could have made it a bit less one sided and had ron show an interest in her too.

harry is the main character and his love life is overshadowed by won-won and lav-lav (which dont get me wrong i loved them) but come on harry and ginny's kiss... that was it, no niceness, no gazing in eyes, or holding hands, or anything.... just a kiss in the RoR which ginny then says can stay in the RoR, so basically forget about it... talk about mixed signals!!

i really think they should have had tonks find harry on the train, like thebook rather than luna! i do love luna, but tonks and lupin get completely ignored, i fear bill and fleur will have the same fate in the DH.

neville should have got a better part, there should have been more mention of the DA or at least the order!

and finally (for now) dumbledores funeral, why was it missed out? an image of him in the tomb or whatever, holding his wand, is all that was required.
so we can rememberit for the DH part 2, when hopefully harry and co will be thinkin about that wand!! and voldemort breaks into dumbledores tomb, and steals it....

i'm worried they have missed out so much, that they are bound to miss out tonnes in the DH, so why is there even the need for 2 films.

i'm quite sure there will be no wedding, no mention of bill and fleur at all so no stay at shell cottage, unless of course they move the weasleys in there since the burrow burned down:err:

with its flaws... and there are many... i still actually enjoyed the film, and by time the DH is released i will love the HBP :love:

Dobby. Considering his rather significant scene in DH, I would have liked to seen him at least make a cameo in this one, just to remind the audience that he's still around, and that he still loves Harry.

Hmmm... now remember that I haven't read the complete books in a bit, but why is it so important that Dobby, and in fact Kreacher, are missing from the films. To be honest, I was quite happy with this omission, since Dobby would be too much of a CoS aura for my liking. Kind of like having Moaning Myrtle. Good book character but in the movie, she grated.

Anyway, I assume that people think we need Dobby and Kreacher to help lead up to the true R.A.B locket, so why not this instead:

- Basically the scene from HBP -> Harry (or the trio) encountering Mundungus at some grungy pub, Harry sees that Mundungus is stealing stuff from Sirius (or someone). We see stuff hanging out of Mundungus' clothes. Harry throws him against the wall and threatens him, like in the book. Suddenly, Harry sees the locket sticking out of a pocket, recognizes it as the Horcrux, and snatches it back.

[What can I say, that is one of the scenes I would've loved to see in the movies from the HBP book.] :cool:

Yes, yes, simple but...the point being, though we would miss the, albeit, very emotional scene of Dobby dying, what else did the house elves contribute? Is there something else book-plotwise that I am forgetting? In the final battle at Hogwarts, yes Kreacher, Dobby and all the house-elves fought against Voldemort/Death Eaters but that can be easily cut. In the mess of the battle, no one will notice them.

Remind me, what else did they contribute that was so important that they needed to be included in the movies.

Dobby. Considering his rather significant scene in DH, I would have liked to seen him at least make a cameo in this one, just to remind the audience that he's still around, and that he still loves Harry.

I totally agree. I understand their reasons for omitting Dobby, but it won't make since for DH. We know that they ARE going to put the whole dobby scene in, but it will seem wildly out of place. I mean come on, suddenly out of nowhere this minor character from the second movie in the series, will return to save harry and die. I hate to put it like that, but it is the truth. If you just go to see the movies in the theater, or just see the movies and don't read the books, you will have a hard time remembering a character that appeared eight or nine years ago in a movie! They will have to do something beforehand in the movie to reintroduce him. Kreacher will be more easy to reintroduce. They go back to Grimmauld Place, they stay there for a while, and Kreacher is there. Easy.

The scene with Ginny tying Harry's shoelaces. Kloves...seriously?

The Burrow I think, except one poster (sorry, too many pages ago) brought up the good point that the Burrow represents safety and security to Harry, so to have it destroyed is also an psychological attack on Harry.

Actually loved the waitress scene, and Tosser!Harry with "I like riding on trains, it keeps my mind off things."

I wanted to see the scene with the muggle prime minister and Fudge. That would have been interesting. They could have done that instead of showing the Death Eaters destroying the bridge :(

I also wished the kiss between Harry and Ginny had been longer. I hate to say it, but Harry and Cho's kiss was better :sad:

what about how HBP doesnt hit key things need for DH, like Dumbledore telling him what other horcurxes are, or only to tell hermione and ron, or how genny hid the book...hows harry gonna know where to find the tiara? I tht the movie was amazing but i am totally confused on them setting it up for DH...no tomb? doesnt voldemort break into tomb so isnt it important?

what about how HBP doesnt hit key things need for DH, like Dumbledore telling him what other horcurxes are, or only to tell hermione and ron, or how genny hid the book...hows harry gonna know where to find the tiara? I tht the movie was amazing but i am totally confused on them setting it up for DH...no tomb? doesnt voldemort break into tomb so isnt it important?

Hmmm... now remember that I haven't read the complete books in a bit, but why is it so important that Dobby, and in fact Kreacher, are missing from the films. To be honest, I was quite happy with this omission, since Dobby would be too much of a CoS aura for my liking. Kind of like having Moaning Myrtle. Good book character but in the movie, she grated.

Anyway, I assume that people think we need Dobby and Kreacher to help lead up to the true R.A.B locket, so why not this instead:

- Basically the scene from HBP -> Harry (or the trio) encountering Mundungus at some grungy pub, Harry sees that Mundungus is stealing stuff from Sirius (or someone). We see stuff hanging out of Mundungus' clothes. Harry throws him against the wall and threatens him, like in the book. Suddenly, Harry sees the locket sticking out of a pocket, recognizes it as the Horcrux, and snatches it back.

[What can I say, that is one of the scenes I would've loved to see in the movies from the HBP book.] :cool:

Yes, yes, simple but...the point being, though we would miss the, albeit, very emotional scene of Dobby dying, what else did the house elves contribute? Is there something else book-plotwise that I am forgetting? In the final battle at Hogwarts, yes Kreacher, Dobby and all the house-elves fought against Voldemort/Death Eaters but that can be easily cut. In the mess of the battle, no one will notice them.

Remind me, what else did they contribute that was so important that they needed to be included in the movies.

well how would the trio get out of malfoy mannor? like how would they apparate out of the mannor? and about the locket, i would imagine the trio will still find it in grimmold place but with no back story from kreacher.

and about the horcruxes, i imagine that dumbledore will have left coded instructions in the will or in hermiones book. either that or the ministry wont be hostile about the inheritance and will not investigate it. even somebody like arthur could give them the will on the directions of dumbledore.

- Basically the scene from HBP -> Harry (or the trio) encountering Mundungus at some grungy pub, Harry sees that Mundungus is stealing stuff from Sirius (or someone). We see stuff hanging out of Mundungus' clothes. Harry throws him against the wall and threatens him, like in the book. Suddenly, Harry sees the locket sticking out of a pocket, recognizes it as the Horcrux, and snatches it back.


I don't think that could work well (if you were meaning to include this scene in the movie), he couldn't just snatch it back since Umbridge has it now after tricking Mundungus out of it. It's one of the main reasons why they have to venture off into the Ministry in the first place in DH.

I can see your point about the dobby/kreacher being omitted, but I would have liked them to be in HBP just the same because I miss their character's presence :p. Just like how alot of character's were missing and the cast felt small this year but as many of you have repeated already, alot to cram into one movie.

I think the memories should have played a bigger part, or at the very least a conversation between Dumbledore and Harry that went into details of all the memories and what they had in common, explaining the horcruxes in more detail and basically giving Harry more of a game plan.

I also think that they should have included Dumbledore's conversation with the Dursley's, the way he picked Harry up in the movie was weird, and I have no clue why they decided to do it that way. I always felt that the scene with Dumbledore and the Dursley's in HBP (book) was one of the ways that JKR demonstrated how much Dumbledore cared for Harry, and went to bat for him.

The two main scenes that they could of chucked out and replaced with something actually related to the book are (obviously i think most can agree with) the waitress and burrow scene.

How many times did Draco take that sheet off of the vanishing cabinet? I mean really, come on.

If make the DE's attack the burrow, why make them fly around? It was such a wonder to Harry when he discovered that Voldemort could even fly on his OWN in DH.

Also, i felt a little uncomfortable when ginny bent down to tie Harry's shoe. A little weird, but I guess it was needed to show how H/G feel around each other? Other than that reason, that scene was a tad awkward.

I think the memories should have played a bigger part, or at the very least a conversation between Dumbledore and Harry that went into details of all the memories and what they had in common, explaining the horcruxes in more detail and basically giving Harry more of a game plan.

I also think that they should have included Dumbledore's conversation with the Dursley's, the way he picked Harry up in the movie was weird, and I have no clue why they decided to do it that way. I always felt that the scene with Dumbledore and the Dursley's in HBP (book) was one of the ways that JKR demonstrated how much Dumbledore cared for Harry, and went to bat for him.


I was thinking that while watching it. That if they were not going to do it, they could have had Harry and Dumbledore talk more, but that might have got boring, though they did have more talking in this then the 4th movie which was great and shocked me. That was a big part in the book. There was time for it, mainly because in the end, it was kind of cut short, I do not remember the book a lot, which makes me want to re-read it. I was surprised that I did not hate it, it was actually better then the last two.

I wish Dumbledore's funeral was involved.


And I was sad they cut that Dursley part out, I was looking forward to some of the stuff that Dumbledore said to them. And I forgot that Dobby and Keacher were suppose to fallow Malfoy.

They did stay more to the book, which made me happy...but I do want to read the book again. I loved the part with Ron and the love potion:D

I think two scenes should be included. One is the family of Snape. In the movie, no one referred to the Snape's family, especially his mother, Ellie Prince. The other one was the family of LV, also his mother's family

well how would the trio get out of malfoy mannor? like how would they apparate out of the mannor? and about the locket, i would imagine the trio will still find it in grimmold place but with no back story from kreacher.

Which is why I need to reread Deathly Hallows...Definately forgot about that.

Just reread "Malfoy Manner" chapter and OK, Dobby rescues them but again, honestly, they (the trio/prisoners) could just find a way to escape. Some other way. Because you know they are going to do it (in the script) Remember, the movies only have so much time, so much money, so cuts must be made. Apparently, Dobby is back in Deathly Hallows, so that solves the problem, but I can even see a way out of Malfoy manner without him.

However...as I reread...would love to see Harry saying to Wormtail "You're going to kill me...After I saved your life? You owe me, Wormtail!"

The problem is that this fact was never reinforced in any movie, even originally in PoA, so this can be easily cut, as it requires too much backstory to get to it.....

And about the horcruxes, i imagine that dumbledore will have left coded instructions in the will or in hermiones book. either that or the ministry wont be hostile about the inheritance and will not investigate it. even somebody like arthur could give them the will on the directions of dumbledore.THAT I agree with. They will find a way to encode or add information into Dumbledore's will, or will offerings to help the trio along on their quest. I read a quote somewhere that Kloves and Yates were like "well, it's movie six, if you are not into it by now, you will never be..." [paraphrasing] but point being is that they are letting things go assuming prior knowledge. We'll give you the hint, and we know that you'll know what we mean by it. Does that make sense?

The scene with Ginny tying Harry's shoelaces. Kloves...seriously?

I have to admit the shoe tying seemed a little subservient for someone as firey and self assured as Ginny is.

There were several scenes in the movie that didn't seem to jibe with the cannon.

1. The waitress scene, which had serious issues with the international statutes of secrecy, understates Harry's role in the wizarding community. He is "the chosen one". He can't really just go out into the muggle world unprotected. It underplays his role in the books.
2. The scene at the Burrow could have been much shorter. Are we really supposed to believe that Dumbledore dumped Harry in a swamp without giving some warning to the Weasley's. I was also troubled by the comments that Mrs. Weasley didn't want the kids to go back to school. It just wasn't in character.
3. Borgin and Burkes. The genius behind JK Rowling and the reason that I can reread the series so often is that she has you looking one way and then comes at you from another. While it was interesting to see what Malfoy was going through, it took away from the mystery of the plot. Rather than Harry thinking against everyone else's opinion that Malfoy was up to something and evidence against it, it seemed as though the professors were blind to what was happening in their own school.
4. Bellatrix at the Burrow. This seems to undercut the idea that Voldemort wants Harry for himself, rather Bella is allowed to search out Harry on her own. The Burrow is supposed to be a safe haven in the 6th book and it is not until the wedding that the image of the Burrow is crashed.
5. The room of requirement scene confuses me. Harry is supposed to know about the vanishing cabinet and not do anything about it. Moreover, Ginny hiding the book is just confusing. Harry has enough sensibility to not go looking for the book and how is Harry going to know about the diadiem if he doesn't see it.

This movie left me feeling troubled and uneasy. While I think that the movie was ok in its own right, it did not fit into the cannon. The screen writers seem to have taken a lot of liberty in some areas while leaving major story lines out. Moreover, it has left me very confused as to how the next movie will turn out.

There are a few things that I would have liked to see:

1. Dobby and other house elves. He plays such a huge role in the books and they have cut him out completely.
2. Fluer and Bill. It is so funny in the book and something that helps develop the H/G relationship.
3. A fight with the death eaters would have been nice and better than the burrow scene at showing that things have changed.
4. Harry needs to have a sense a purpose and more of an idea of what he is going up against. He is off with Ron and Hermione and only knows that there might be a locket out there. In the book he knew about the locket, the snake, the cup, and some mysterious object of Ravenclaw or Gryfindor.

Probably the most difficult thing is that while they are splitting DH they must have taken some material from HBP. How it is all going to work out, I have no idea, but I am sure that I will be in the theater.

waitress - self explanatory, give us the dursleys instead.

burrow - they could have made a burrow scene work, but instead of all of that bella/distruction/idiocy on the writer's part, they could have had lupin talk about fenrir, more solidly demonstrate tonks and lupin as a forming couple, and have harry rant about malfoy and snape some more. but NOOOOOOOOO they did that ****

lavender/ron - way too much of it, they could have taken out a bunch of the smaller bits to make room for more horcrux stuff.

vanishing cabinet - they made it way too obvious, as already mentioned. they instead should have shown more of harry trying to figure out what malfoy was doing, rather than actually showing what he was doing. The mystery would have intensified the suspense.

snape's "shh" - give harry an invisibility cloak, and have dumbledore full-body-bind him. make it right, damnit.

Luna finding Harry - damnit, give Tonks her screentime. No offense to Luna's actress, because I love her to pieces and she's hilarious, but instead of putting her there, they could have had her commentate in a quidditch match. Ah, her finest hour...XD

Cormac - It's not that he was in too much, but they could have fine tuned it better.

harry/ron/hermione at the end - instead of in the tower, put that scene NEAR THE FUNERAL WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN!!!

Harry/Ginny - Oh My God this was terribly done. They turned a firey passionate realization to an awkward pre-teen first kiss type moment. I'm speechless.

man, I could go on about this for ages, I'll stop here, though. For now. Or at least switch threads.

The whole Burrow scene. That in no way fit in with the story and if they was replacing the end, then that is sad.


I was annoyed that they took out Bill and Fleur(sp?), in the 7th book it has a lot to do with what happened, of a lot of issues, isn't it?

And they did the whole Ginny and Harry thing wrong, in my opinion:whistle:
So the room of requirement scene wasn't that good, and I was also thinking about the diadiem, but since they didn't have the scene where Harry and Dumbledore are getting ideas of what Voldy would use as a horcrux.

These are scenes that could have been added to the movie:

-A funeral for Dumbledore
-more quidditch scenes--the Quidditch Final and the party at the common room
-The Dursleys--especially Dumbledore at their house--that would have made for a good scene!
-A few more scenes with Voldemort, and the battle at Hogwarts
-Also, I think that Fleur and Bill should have been added into this movie, and I wonder if they will be in the next movie.

The only scenes I really missed were: 1) Snape's DADA lesson, and 2) the encounter with Scrimgeour at Christmas. The absence of these doesn't hurt the movie at all, though.

"oh and snape yelling at harry telling him not to call him a coward (after he kills dumbledore, and heading towards the forest) should have been in there! that was the point in the book where i pretty much decided Snape was good"

Yes! I missed the coward part. Such a powerful part of the book, and you know Rickman could've rocked that. is it just me, or did the movie make it seem obvious that Snape was a good guy? They seemed to favor showing this side of him in the crucial scenes- and there was no discussion by members of the Order on how big of a betrayal it was.

Personally I missed every single absent scene and line that Snape ever has in the books and that we all know Rickman could deliver magnificently (Best Piece of Casting in Any Film Ever IMHO) but I mustn't get unreasonable in my expectations!<grin>

It was interesting to me that they actually INSERTED into the Spinner's End scene Bellatrix directly accusing Snape of being a coward (instead of merely implying it as in the book), and this is the spur to him agreeing to take the Unbreakable Oath, at her behest, not Narcissa's. "Oho!" I thought. "This is a set up for the final confrontation with Harry, establishing early on his hyper sensitivity to such an accusation" ... and then we don't get the full pay off later! :( (Though we still do get Harry's yell, at least. ) Maybe it was there in the script to start with, and got cut, like so much else.<sigh> Still, when you think of all the stuff that didn't make it into the films at all, two accusations of cowardice, one from each side, at highly dramatic moments bookending the film, constitute quite a lot of prominence given to that particular theme.

Re whether the film hints at Snape's loyalty to the "good" more obviously than the books, I'd find it hard to say, since even when first reading the books I personally was utterly convinced of it, from the Philosopher's Stone onwards. It seems to me that, despite scattering ambiguous evidence all through the books, JKR has put in one hefty clue in DH that should finally convince any reasonably alert reader not as blinded by years of enmity and suspicion as Harry himself - the conversation between Snape and DD that Hagrid overhears in the forest (or, in the film, that we and Harry witness the tail end of in the school). What on earth would a secret agent of evil who was trying to hoodwink a gullible headmaster into foolishly trusting and confiding in him be doing announcing mutinously to him that he'd had enough and wasn't going to carry out the plan any more? While in the films, I thought there was a similarly unambiguous moment way back in PoA, when werewolf-Lupin is advancing on the kids, and Snape unceremoniously and instinctively grabs them and shoves them behind him, spreading out his arms protectively. (As a teacher myself, I hope that my own instinctive reaction, and that of nearly all teachers, would be to do something similar in the face of a crazed gunman, or other such threat. Even if we'd been wanting to wring the necks of the little blighters ourselves minutes beforehand.;) ) Anyway, NOT the instinctive reaction of a villain or a coward.

There was no discussion by members of the Order of how big a betrayal it was because there was no discussion by members of the Order of ANYTHING. I don't think that would make anyone in the audience not in the know likely to view Snape's behaviour with less abhorrence, though. We even had an additional "treachery", that complicit finger on the lips to Harry.

I wanted to see Voldy auditioning for the DaDa job, Fiennes and Gambon at their best.
It even closes a circle: kid, boy, and man Tom Riddle.

The Burrow Scene, ,like everybody has said, was nice but could have been replaced with something more solid. The fight scene was a joke, let's face it. No substance and there was no spark ( except literally)

Also the scene were Harry was in the diner, yes I can see why it was added, but it was a bizarre way to establishing that he was the chosen one. And the bit where she asks him out was lazy and boring. Unneccesary scene that could have been done much better and quicker in another, more practical way.


Edit: Yes, the Room of requirement was badly done. Yates clearly doesn't understand how it works. Did Rowling get to see that scene before it made it, was she consulted? I don't think so, because Harry just seems to stroll in as if it was some empty classroom.

Am I the only one that was looking forward to the fight at the end? I really wish that scene was in there, along with Hagrid trying to save Fang and fighting off the DE's. And a funeral for Dumbledore would have been quite nice to see.

But to answer the OP's question, like pretty much everyone else has stated, I believe the waitress scene and the burrow scene could have been done away with.

I think they could have cut the joke shop, the Burrow attack, the Quidditch, merged the Slug Club with the Christmas party, freeing up some time for a short DADA scene and a little more discussion of Riddle between DD and Harry. The opening stuff at the station could have been replaced with the Dursleys (yeah, I know it doesn't serve much purpose but I would have loved to see just a few seconds of Dumbledore interacting with them).

Let's see, Dumbledore's funeral, another quidditch game, the 'I am not afraid, Harry, I am with you.' line from Dumbledore, the fighting at Hogwarts, among other things......

It might be me, but when Harry touched the ring, did they have it so DD noticed or finally realised Harry was one of the seven items. Because he said something like " I know of another item but I am afraid I cannot destroy it" whilst delivering this line he keeps looking at Harry.

I guess unless you have read DH the average film fan will not realise this but it seemed abit odd and out of place.

The waitress scene - completely pointless drivel that was contradictory to Harry's character. We have this very nice opening reflecting back to OOTP that shows how devastated Harry was by Sirius' death, but two weeks later he's perfectly fine, recklessly running around on his own with no protection while reading a magical newspaper in front of muggles, and casually flirting with some waitress? Completely unbelievable - I would have much preferred Dumbledore picking Harry up at the Dursleys.

The Burrow attack - not everything about the Burrow scene, but definitely the attack and certain other aspects of it. I think the beginning of that scene with them sitting around and talking was good. I like the interaction between Harry and Lupin and that sets up their interaction in DH very well I think. The bit with Arthur and Harry in his shed could have been cut - or at least changed to reflect that they could not find any evidence that Malfoy was up to anything. The film completely gave away the whole mission with the Vanishing cabinet. The stuff with Harry and Ginny could have been removed completely because it was horribly done and came across as very awkward and wooden. They would have done better to show Harry staring at Ginny a lot and set up a few intentionally awkward moments that established the attraction and Harry's reluctance to act on it.

All of those bits showing Malfoy working on the Vanishing cabinet - especially the one scene where they show the bird being transported to Borgin and Burkes. Again, they completely gave away Draco's mission by revealing this. There was no mystery regarding what Draco was up to. They would have done better to keep the mystery - show Draco walking up to that section of the wall where the Room of Requirement would appear without showing him go inside and not showing the cabinet at all. Show him taking birds out of that cage, but not what happened to them. Show Harry going to the Room of Requirement to hide the potions book and finding the one bird dead - the other one flying out of the cabinet. Leave that mysterious so the audience wonders what Draco is trying to do. The shots of Malfoy standing off by himself - distracted, upset, etc... - would have worked much better if there had been more mystery as to what he was up to.

Likewise, they could cut the mention that Katie was supposed to give the necklace to Dumbledore as well as the fact that it was Draco who cursed her. That made it too obvious that Dumbledore was the intended target and - along with Draco working towards getting the Death Eaters a way into Hogwarts - revealed that Draco's mission was to kill Dumbledore.

Luna finding Harry on the train - I love Luna, but that would have made a lot more sense if they'd kept it as Tonks finding him. I think they should have kept Luna giving the commentary at the Quidditch match - that would have been a much better scene for her.

I'm a bit surprised people are saying that the waitress scene should have been replaced with the Dursley's instead...it's not like it went for very long at all. Not even more then a minute long really.

I would have liked a lot of the Romance taken out and instead having more of a battle at the end of the movie that was in the book, I found the end of the movie just really anti climatic.

It might be me, but when Harry touched the ring, did they have it so DD noticed or finally realised Harry was one of the seven items. Because he said something like " I know of another item but I am afraid I cannot destroy it" whilst delivering this line he keeps looking at Harry.

I think he realized that Harry was a horcrux at that moment. I think that is what they were suggesting. I sort of like this nod to what will happen in DH.

I'm a bit surprised people are saying that the waitress scene should have been replaced with the Dursley's instead...it's not like it went for very long at all. Not even more then a minute long really.

At least the Dursley scene is canon.

I would have liked a lot of the Romance taken out and instead having more of a battle at the end of the movie that was in the book, I found the end of the movie just really anti climatic.

I think the ends of all the movies have been anti-climactic.

I didn't mind the attack on the Burrow. It was well-done and added some action to the movie. What I minded was no lead-up to Tonks calling Lupin sweetheart. If I hadn't read the book, that would have come out of nowhere, and made me think I missed something.

A friend wanted to go the movie, but hadn't seen any of the others or read the books. I strongly advised against it. It's hard enough to keep up when you haven't read the books, but if you haven't seen the first five movies, it will be impossible.

I definitely enjoyed the movie overall. I don't read the book before the movie so I can watch it on its own merits. I'm now reading the book and I'll enjoy it even more since I can picture certain scenes from the movie.

Oh and Harry being paralyzed by Dumbledore in the astronomy tower scene, he definetly should have done that, it was completely out of character for him to just stand there, he would have done something.

Oh! I forgot to ask. Did anyone see the diadem in the Room of Requirement? I think that should have been shown, at least in passing. I was straining my eyes to see it.

:lol:

I was! I was hoping they would be that detail-oriented and included it, but alas, they didn't. As far as I could see anyway.

Personally i think they could have added:

- short scene with the muggle Prime Minister
- "I am not worried Harry, I am with you"
- fight scene in Hogwarts (with the students/OotP)
- Luna commentating the Quidditch
- Roonil Wazlib reference
- Dumbledore's funeral
- bezoar reference before the poisoning
- at least one other class than Potions (like DADA with Snape?)
- a scene with Scrimgeour
- a scene with the Gaunts
- Dumbledore's tomb

Though admittedly none are essential (maybe DD's funeral/tomb, this would have been a nice touch). I am just nit-picking - loved the film as a whole! :D

I'm a bit surprised people are saying that the waitress scene should have been replaced with the Dursley's instead...it's not like it went for very long at all. Not even more then a minute long really.


It is not a question of time, but of how faithful that scene is to the character of Harry Potter. Most of us are up in arms over that scene because it was completely out of character for Harry to be doing what we was doing. It would never, ever happen and makes no sense considering the events that took place merely a month or two before.

My secondary tiff with the scene is that it added nothing to the movie, so even though the actual scene didn't take much time out of the whole, it still could have spent that little time on showing us something worthwhile.

It is not a question of time, but of how faithful that scene is to the character of Harry Potter. Most of us are up in arms over that scene because it was completely out of character for Harry to be doing what we was doing. It would never, ever happen and makes no sense considering the events that took place merely a month or two before.

My secondary tiff with the scene is that it added nothing to the movie, so even though the actual scene didn't take much time out of the whole, it still could have spent that little time on showing us something worthwhile.

Two weeks before actually - which only makes it even less believable, IMO. They did that beautiful opening shot showing Harry looking devastated at the Ministry and then come back seconds later and he's fine - it's like Sirius never existed and Harry doesn't care that he's dead.

I think having Dumbledore pick Harry up at the Dursleys would have made a lot more sense and contributed much more to the story.

A few things I would have liked to see in the movie are:

-Gaunts
-Hogwarts battle
-DD funeral
-built up more suspense with who HBP was, when it got to ending it really wasn't very surprising when Snape said he was the Half-Blood Prince.
-Mentioned the Diadem at least and actually said more about the Slytherin locket and that Voldemort was a descendent of them (or maybe they mentioned that in anothe rmovie).

I should say Dumbledore's funeral should have been included. Though I love the Burrow scene, I would have exchange that one with Dumbledore's funeral or any battle in Hogwarts.

All of those bits showing Malfoy working on the Vanishing cabinet - especially the one scene where they show the bird being transported to Borgin and Burkes. Again, they completely gave away Draco's mission by revealing this. There was no mystery regarding what Draco was up to. They would have done better to keep the mystery - show Draco walking up to that section of the wall where the Room of Requirement would appear without showing him go inside and not showing the cabinet at all. Show him taking birds out of that cage, but not what happened to them. Show Harry going to the Room of Requirement to hide the potions book and finding the one bird dead - the other one flying out of the cabinet. Leave that mysterious so the audience wonders what Draco is trying to do. The shots of Malfoy standing off by himself - distracted, upset, etc... - would have worked much better if there had been more mystery as to what he was up to.

Likewise, they could cut the mention that Katie was supposed to give the necklace to Dumbledore as well as the fact that it was Draco who cursed her. That made it too obvious that Dumbledore was the intended target and - along with Draco working towards getting the Death Eaters a way into Hogwarts - revealed that Draco's mission was to kill Dumbledore.



I totally agree. I was conserned about this months ago and I was right. The film fault to keep the mystery alive. A non-book friend of mine confirmed that the film was predictable. If it had been a mystery to the end I think the audience wouldn't get the feeling that nothing happened this year. It means Draco should be doing attention during the neckless attack, no explanation of who the neckless was meant for, nor the mead should be given away. Then it would seemed like Slughorn was Draco's target:cool:

Personally i think they could have added:

- short scene with the muggle Prime Minister
- "I am not worried Harry, I am with you"
- fight scene in Hogwarts (with the students/OotP)
- Luna commentating the Quidditch
- Roonil Wazlib reference
- Dumbledore's funeral
- bezoar reference before the poisoning
- at least one other class than Potions (like DADA with Snape?)
- a scene with Scrimgeour
- a scene with the Gaunts
- Dumbledore's tomb

Though admittedly none are essential (maybe DD's funeral/tomb, this would have been a nice touch). I am just nit-picking - loved the film as a whole! :D

:agree: They should have added every one of those things. They add so much that was not part of the book, but they take out so much that was :sad:

I know people will disagree with me, but I vote for the exclusion of the scene with Ron under love potion, and consequential poisoning.
Rupert Grint never made me even smirk in six films, never.
And one attack on Katie Bell was more than enough.
The whole thing just looked out of place from the rest of the movie, and now I have confirm that it's Kloves's screenplay that makes Ron act like a dumb, for in OotP he behaves normally.

I dont know if anyone said this before or not, but I think that a Bill and Fleur scene should of be included in the Burrow at Christmas, not making it as dumb as it was in the movies, they could of cut a Harry/Ginny moment, and put them in there breifly mentioning the engagement and Bill meeting Harry (Since they never met in the movies) and then the fight starts etc.., and uh have Bill attacked by Greyback towards the end.

I think that would of made it better than what it was...

Someone has probably mentioned that, but I agree SOO MUCH!!!! I wonder how they are going to introduce that and so many other things in DH. I mean, they can't just totally cut out Bill and Fleur's wedding!!! :scared:

I can honestly live with mostly everything they cut except the battle at the end.

They made a point to establish the difficulty of attacking Hogwarts externally (that ridiculous shot of Death Eaters blatantly trying to fly into Hogwarts on their plumes of black smoke and being deflected back, gate scene with Flitwick, Dumbledore's speech, etc.), but then having Snape and company face very little trouble as they fled the school gave the message of "once you're in the place, you can do as you please!"

I definitely agree that the funeral scene should've been included, but more importantly than that, a battle at Hogwarts! Otherwise it seems to make absolutely no sense for them to run in, kill Dumbledore, and run out. It's a little hasty and... not very well planned. Alas, you can't have everything.

I really, truly would've loved to see the Gaunts. More of Riddle's past, generally.

Otherwise, I honestly enjoyed the movie. : )

The original kiss between Harry and Ginny. None of this room of requirement nonsense! I deeply missed the moment he looks at her and just acts on impulse in kissing her. They should have stuck to the book their. I wish they showed Harry's feelings developing for Ginny when he saw her kissing, but he never took full notice. It was rushed and forced.

I wish they kept the whole memory with Voldemorts mother as well.

The waitress scene, as a lot of people have said. I just found it completely out of character of Harry to be reading a Daily Prophet in front of Muggle's. Also, he doesn't like the attention. The Harry in the books would have been uncomfortable with her flirting.

Burrow, Burrow, Burrow. It still makes me want to strangle someone.

I haven't read all the posts in this because there are a lot. I probably will, because I like to see other peoples opinions, but the scenes I would liked to have seen were:
Dumbledore telling the Dursley's off.
Harry showing Scrimegeor the back of his hand.

I am really surprised that with 600+ pages to work with, the screenwriter finds the need to use artistic license and create scenes that have nothing to do with what is written in the book. My husband and I actually came out of the movie quite disappointed in what was added in that wasn't in the book (the waitress, the Hallows burning, etc.) while scenes were cut that developed relationships (Tonks and Lupin, Bill and Fleur), and characters (Fenrir Greyback, especially) that are truly important. How hard would it have been to have Tonks finding Harry on the train and guarding the school depressed over Lupin or to include the battle at the end where Fenrir attacks Bill and the Tonks/Lupin saga comes to light? It could've taken five minutes total and made a lot more sense than the "sweetheart" Tonks utters to Lupin on the porch at the Weasleys'. That was totally random, plus, as soon as Tonks and Lupin were together, her hair went back to its wild colors, why was her hair brown? Do the writers even read the books? There was way too much time spent on Slughorn, yeah they needed the memory but there was the dinner, then the party plus the class...it just seemed like too much. Also, seeing Malfoy in the Room of Requirement once or even twice would've been enough. I know it must be insanely hard to adapt 600+ pages into 2.5 hrs but to me that would be all the more reason to stick to the book.

I really missed seeing the Order of the Phoenix wizards; Tonks, Lupin, Mad-Eye...they are all so important in DH and definitely my favorite characters in the books. Lupin's struggle with being a werewolf and how it affected his relationship with Tonks as well as how their "secret" came out after Bill was attacked by Fenrir Grayback in the battle that didn't happen in the movie were really powerful parts of the book to me. Honestly, we wouldn't have even known that the scary Death Eater was Fenrir Grayback if his "Wanted" notice hadn't been tacked up on the buildings in Diagon Alley. He didn't even get to speak! I think cutting the Dursleys out was a mistake too, its really powerful in the book when Dumbledore chastises them and then warns them they will not be safe much longer.

I haven't read through this whole thread (just the last page) so perhaps others have mentioned it...but I'm curious why everyone seems to think the Gaunt memory is so important but not the Hepzibah Smith one :hmm: I think the latter would have been a better scene to keep

It highlights 2 horcruxes (Hufflepuff's Cup and Slytherin's Locket) but I imagine they decided to omit this as it would have just required a whole bunch of exposition to answer questions like where she got these objects from, why they are significant (heirlooms of founders) etc

Which would have likely resulted in also needing to show the Gaunt memory, the B&B memory, etc :lol:

New to the forums here, hopefully i'm down with the lingo and such.

I did enjoy the movie overall, but a few things bothered me.

1. No Gaunt chapter. Not only was this a crucially important chapter for setting up things in DH, but it was also something that needed to be included just to explain more about Voldemort. But hey lets include the scene where the Burrow is destroyed..o wait.. THAT NEVER HAPPENED!

2. The absence of a horcrux explanation was poorly done, also there is nothing that discusses Voldemort's obsession with famous magical items, which leads to Harry being able to figure out what the remaining Horcruxes are.

3. AGAIN, Dobby is left out. Harry had him tailing Malfoy in the book. Due to the lack of Dobby through the first 6 movies, his inevitable death will already be lacking due to the lack of character development throughout, showing his devotion to Harry. I really hope they give the Dobby funeral scene the justice it deserves.

4. Fawkes dies... he doesnt fly away... come on now.

5. I may very well be mistaken on this one, but don't the 3 find out what Dumbledore left them at the end of HBP, or is that the beginning of DH?

6. The Dumbledore funeral scene should have been included. The way it was depicted in the book was so beautiful, with all the magical creatures, it would have been a wonderous way to say goodbye, not the wand salute (which was ok. but still not what it should have been)

7. The ending dialogue between Harry and Hermione was poor. I believe in the book Hermione fights Harry tooth and nail saying that she and Ron will accompany him next year, in the movie it kind of just goes on. I think that particular scene was not conveyed right, and Radcliffe was a bit weak there.

8. Isn't there a big scene between Harry and Ginny where he breaks it off with her because he doesn't want to be close to anyone for fear of their fate? Was that DH?

9. I would have liked a slight bit more of Tonks/Lupin. Sort of begin to build up to their fate, make it more powerful in the end.

I'm sure there are some things that I may have misinterpreted etc, but again while I did enjoy the movie, there were just some scenes that really bothered me.

I feel that with the PG rating, the movie tries to tailor to the younger children, as well as the parents, while also trying to include the dark overtones that the general readership expects. It sort of danced all over the place.

One thing is for certain, there are a TON of crucial moments that MUST NOT be left out of the DH movies. With 2 movies though, I assume they will really try to include as much as possible.

Just my thoughts... certainly welcome any ideas anyone else has.
I agree with most of what you said... but Fawkes did not die in the book. Fawkes did fly away. He sang after Dumbledore died, and then he left the castle forever.

I haven't read through this whole thread (just the last page) so perhaps others have mentioned it...but I'm curious why everyone seems to think the Guant memory is so important but not the Hepzibah Smith one :hmm: I think the latter would have been a better scene to keep

It highlights 2 horcruxes (Hufflepuff's Cup and Slytherin's Locket) but I imagine they decided to omit this as it would have just required a whole bunch of exposition to answer questions about why the objects are significant, explain that they are heirlooms of the 4 founders, etc

I feel the same way about the Smith memory. I think that would have been the one to include.

I wish there was a bit more explanation about Horcruxes and how important the founders' objects were to Voldemort, but I suppose it will be covered in the first DH movie.

but I'm curious why everyone seems to think the Gaunt memory is so important but not the Hepzibah Smith one :hmm: I think the latter would have been a better scene to keep

It highlights 2 horcruxes (Hufflepuff's Cup and Slytherin's Locket) but I imagine they decided to omit this as it would have just required a whole bunch of exposition to answer questions about why the objects are significant, explain that they are heirlooms of the 4 founders, etc

Well, the fact is, they just couldn't put an overabundance of the memories into the film, as those sequences take us away from our main character for way too long, especially seeing as Harry doesn't make a physical appearance in any of the memories (despite doing so in the books and in the "Goblet" and "Order" film adaptations).

Personally, I would've liked to have seen the Gaunt family because the idea that Voldemort was born under a loveless marriage (which, I felt was the biggest reason for displaying the effects of the Love Potion in the book) was a big revelation. That and the other memories were done so well that that one would've been really neat to see.

But I see your point that having the Hepzibah memory would've been logical. The young man playing Riddle would've been great to see in that scene as well.

Anyway, they have a lot more to remedy than just that memory in the next movie if they want to make it logical. :whistle:

I feel the same way about the Smith memory. I think that would have been the one to include.

I wish there was a bit more explanation about Horcruxes and how important the founders' objects were to Voldemort, but I suppose it will be covered in the first DH movie.

Well, the fact is, they just couldn't put an overabundance of the memories into the film, as those sequences take us away from our main character for way too long, especially seeing as Harry doesn't make a physical appearance in any of the memories (despite doing so in the books and in the "Goblet" and "Order" film adaptations).

Personally, I would've liked to have seen the Gaunt family because the idea that Voldemort was born under a loveless marriage (which, I felt was the biggest reason for displaying the effects of the Love Potion in the book) was a big revelation. That and the other memories were done so well that that one would've been really neat to see.

But I see your point that having the Hepzibah memory would've been logical. The young man playing Riddle would've been great to see in that scene as well.

Anyway, they have a lot more to remedy than just that memory in the next movie if they want to make it logical. :whistle:

Yeah, I think you are both right. I'd say they each have their advantages and disadvantages. The Gaunt memory gives us the idea of him being born under a loveless marriage but is there really much in it other than background info? I dunno. The Hepzibah memory seems more logical, but I'm thinking if you include this one then you naturally have to include the Gaunt memory AND the Borgin and Burke's memory to show where the locket came from and how Hepzibah came in possession of it. Unless there's other ways around it, it would've been a LOT

I can't decide which would have been the better one to include...if there had been room for ONE more, I think it's a toss-up :lol:

The Gaunt memory highlighted 2 horcruxes as well, right? But the ring and locket were kinda already dealt with in the film :hmm:

Having just rewatched the film, there is also one other part I would take out, and it's a single word. In the confrontation on the tower, I thought it was brilliant the way he said "Severus" but a dead giveaway that it wasn't pleading for him not to kill when he said, "please". I wish they had chopped off the "please" and left it at his just saying "Severus" in that pleading tone. I believe that would leave it more of a mystery and evoke more feeling in people who have not read the books.

I don't think we needed either the Gaunt or Smith memory. However, one thing we really did need was,

The emphasis that Voldermort would never place a part of his soul in any common day object.

In the book, JKR went out of her way to have DD explain that Voldermort goes after items of prestige. This was the only thing that Harry and DD had to go off of to guess at what the other items were. Now Movie-verse Harry is completely in the dark, because not only did they not address this, they had DD in the movie say the exact opposite "it could be the most commonplace of items" or something to that effect.

It's going to be interesting to see how they have Harry figure out what the other Horocruxes could be.

I haven't read through the posts yet, so don't kill me if I sound like a broken record but in a nut shell -

Get rid of the burrow scene.
Add in Bill & Fluer Plot line.
Add in memory where they visited the Gaunt House.


Done.

I really was mostly alright with the movie, oh alright, one more complant, just a simple question for anyone who's willing to answer.

When are they going to explain the teensy, little plot line about HORCRUXES, since they seemed to have missed that?

Harry showing Scrimegeor the back of his hand.

The "I must not tell lies" scar, yes, this would be one of those great details that could be small but powerful or could be totally overlooked. I would hope they incorporate it into Bill Nighy's scene (or maybe that's one of his scenes) in DH.

Well, I've only seen it once so far and may change my mind, but here are 3 things I think they should have done differently:

The scene where the Weasley's home is set on fire & they're attacked by DE's -- no one thought to add protection to the Burrow if Harry was going to be there? Not very believable in my opinion, and it should not have been written in. The scene with Scrimgeour visiting the Burrow to talk to Harry should have been there instead.

The kissing scene between Harry & Ginny should have been more spontaneous, like in the book -- not necessarily totally canon, but similar in how it happened. That being said, for non-book movie goers, it was probably fine.

They should have included Dumbledore's funeral.

I need to watch this again before having a real solid opinion, but here is what I thought should have been in.

1) I really would have liked seeing a Snape DADA scene. That just would have been cool.

2) I think the Harry/Ginny thing should have been touched on more. And the kiss should have been just like in the book.

3) Dumbledore's funeral probably should have been added. But I didn't really see the end. (My 1 year old daughter had enough by that point)

Really, thats all I can think of right now. Once I can actually sit through the whole thing, I may have more.

I have to agree with everyone here, the two scenes i didn't care for were the waitress, and the burrow. I think the burrow would have had more meaning if Bill and fluer were around could you imagine the place you were suppose to get married by burning to the ground?

There's nothing in the film that I so dislike that I wish it weren't there; the waitress bit was better than I imagined it would be (I figured Harry would be a little smoother than he was, but yeah, she was clearly more forward), and the attack on The Burrow was fine, but just sort of there. It was a blatant bid to insert more action into a calmer second act, and that's really all it was.

Definitely the burrow scene. It was ridiculous that the Death Eaters just terrorized the Weasleys. Now they are implying no wedding.

I do agree the waitress thing was also random and unnecessary.

The original kiss between Harry and Ginny. None of this room of requirement nonsense! I deeply missed the moment he looks at her and just acts on impulse in kissing her. They should have stuck to the book their. I wish they showed Harry's feelings developing for Ginny when he saw her kissing, but he never took full notice. It was rushed and forced.

I wish they kept the whole memory with Voldemorts mother as well.

I did notice though that when Harry saw Ginny kissing, that he did look a bit jealous, and when Ron and Harry were talking about it afterwards, you could tell that Harry liked her--and was affected by it.

Also, while Hermione was crying about Ron snogging Lavender, she asked Harry what it felt like when he sees Dean snogging Lavender, and while he was comforting her he says that it feels like that.

I think the shot of 3 death eaters trying to fly into Hogwarts was unnecessary and even confusing... if they can't fly in then how did a Ford Anglia fly in in the 2nd book?

Also,
The bird that showed up dead - did it die cos the cabinet was still faulty or did someone in Borgin and Burkes just kill it and send it back?

Finally, the most stupid choice they made was not having Dumbledore use Petrificus Totalus (sp?) on Harry. Harry's no the type to sit by and watch his mentor die, if he coulda moved he would've.

Definitely the burrow scene. It was ridiculous that the Death Eaters just terrorized the Weasleys. Now they are implying no wedding.

Okay, i think i'm the only one who loved this scene. It was one of my favourite scenes of the movie. It was creepy, exciting and great.
I think everyones forgetting they're wizards. They will fix the burrow. There will probably be a bit of dialogue on it in DH. Like Harry see's scroch marks on the wall and points it out, and Ron says something like "Yeah, it was hard getting this place back in order." I can just imagine that.

Finally, the most stupid choice they made was not having Dumbledore use Petrificus Totalus (sp?) on Harry. Harry's no the type to sit by and watch his mentor die, if he coulda moved he would've.

Once again, i disagree, (sorry, I'm not trying to start arguments) I much rathered the way it was done. To me, it shows his true bravery and trust in Dumbledore. And a few people have said why does Harry not do anything to Snape. Remember, Harry puts his full trust in Dumbledore, and Dumbledore trusts Snape. Harry thought Snape was going to help Dumbledore. And + this way we could see the shock and emotion in Harry's face. In the book it was different, Rowling could write about how helpless he felt. It would of been alot harder to share that emotion on screen.

I think they could have easily cut out the waitress flirting scene, it served no purpose whatsoever. It wasn't funny, at least to me. I was cringing at Harry Potter - bit of a tosser actually. They could have shown Harry sitting in the cafe if they wanted, but flirting with a random waitress? Not Harry. :/

The Burrow - I was against it initially, but I liked how Harry and Ginny were ready to fight back to back, it could have been a great H/G moment, but they made it far too abrupt.

It was like Hogwarts *CRASH* Burrow *CRASH* back to Hogwarts. :lol:

I wish they had kept in one DADA class. I was really looking forward to "There's no need to call me sir, professor" :lol:

Also now that I think about it, the reaction to Dumbledore's announcement that Slughorn would be teaching Potions, and Snape DADA wasn't very loud. It seemed like none of the students really cared!

I was really looking forward to the funeral and the duel .
I was kind of hating the waitress scene since it was so out of character and not really in occordance to the plot .

Also,
The bird that showed up dead - did it die cos the cabinet was still faulty or did someone in Borgin and Burkes just kill it and send it back?

I think the bird died because the cabinet was not mended. After Draco put the bird in the cabinet they went to a shot of the cabinet in the B&B's which was empty. The store was empty the lights were off. No one killed the bird and sent it back that was why they showed the empty store. Also Draco then started crying, so that wasn't what he wanted to happen.

I really really wanted the waitress part to be out . It was the worst part of the whole film , I think .
It didn't do any good to the whole thing and I think the movie should have started off introducing Rufus Scrimgeour .
As for hiding the Potions Book , they should have shown Harry going solo instead of the mushy stuff with Ginny .
Also , I think the burning of the Weasly house should have been instead , the duel at Hogwarts .
I think that they tried to improvise too much , and in the end should have stuck with the book .

The burning of the Weasley house could of been excluded, but I like the part where Harry ran after Bella was good. It showed all of his emotion about Sirius dying, which I thought was good.

The scene with the waitress should have been excluded. I mean, it was like she was hitting on him. Eww.

I also think they should have left out the whole waitress flirting scene. I mean Harry seemed to be a boy on hormones throughout the movie which Harry defiently wasn't in the book apart from when it came to Ginny. But Harry was infuriated to be seen as the Chosen one to girls and didn't care for the love potions. I would also like Harry's feelings for Ginny gradually come across in the movie. He just looked up at a window and fell in love with her. I'd rather see Harry mourning Sirius that picking up girls. Sirius got TWO mentions thorugh out the entire film.

Another scene I would leave in but have them changed is the very last scene of the film where Harry and Hermione were talking. Hello! Where was Ron, just sitting there with a glum expression, not talking at all.

Harry and Ginny seemd as random as Harry/Cho

The waitress scene and the burrow scene could have excluded. Yes.
I suppose the writers wanted to show for some reason that Harry was still a normal kid who if he could would do other things than trailing along with Dumbledore.

But yes it could have been done away with. I would have like to see DD at the Dursleys.

As for why Harry didn't have the paper with him when he met Dumbledore...the kid has pockets. :hmm:


I did like the Burrow scene in that visually it was nice. I do love seeing Bella. Mostly I think it very interesting that many applaud it and other scenes for developing Harry and Ginny when that didn't happen in the book either. Sure it is nice because that is who Harry ends up with in the end, but one of the biggest criticims after many read book 6 was the lack of actual development; things being too random, vague, sudden and how did they put it...unconvincing.

So I thought it was funny that the writers wanted to mend that Book 6 "error" if you want to call it that. Though the Ginny/Harry scene in the Room Requirement brought on a gagging reflex. I thought it was over the top and best left to the original version in the book.

Why did they change it?

If you ask me the writers of this movie chose to carefully smooth over the unappealing characteristics of Harry that were kinda of evident in book 6. Some of which occurred around the Quidditch event that brought on Harry and Ginny's kiss and other scenes left out or changed.


Anyway, I would have liked more of the Harry/Dumbledore tension and story line in the movie. Although at the beginning of the movie Dumbledore struck me as kind of cold and odd. Though I loved the acting and portrayal anyway.

I would have liked to have seen the battle at Hogwarts happen the way it happened in the book. All those students weren't out of their beds and the fighting between the Auroras (sp) was over looked.

I would have loved to have heard that line from Snape to Harry about Keeping his Mind Shut. It was a clear warning to block Voldemort out of his mind and it helped build the over all Snape mystery.

I think a new wave of doing movies is happening. I think the writers are giving the book fans nodds rather than making every detail of the actual book come to life. And are in a way counting on the book fans to read between the lines and enjoy the nuances. What I mean is it seems that more and more movies are skewed towards book fans and not those who have never read the books. Yet they put enough in that Non-bookies are not lost.

plausible?

Of course i wish there had been more quidditch, the effects are amazing, but i can understand why they left it out, it doesn't hold much relevance.

I wish they had kept in Dumbledore's funeral, it would have helped to emphasise the feeling of loss and tragedy, although the raising of the wands was really touching.

And maybe the part with the Dursleys would have been nice, in the book the scene with Dumbledore in their living room is one of my favourites, so i sort of wish it had been in the film.

Overall though, i thought the film was very effective! Well done David Yates!

I wish they had kept in one DADA class. I was really looking forward to "There's no need to call me sir, professor"

:rotfl:

I was really looking forward to the duel at the end especially after seeing the camera-work and special effects earlier...:grumble:

I would have liked a nodd to the first chapter of HP with some brief shot of a wizard visiting the Prime Minister. An ominous shot and one liner like Hello Minister... right before or after the destruction of the bridge would have been nice.

I would like to have seen something of Bill and Fluer (sp).

I would have liked to see the detention scene with Harry.
I thought the detention scene with Harry and was significant when I read the book but it wouldn't have worked in the movie cause there are many different angles Book 6 takes on and the angle on line of things that the detention scene was with (Harry's growing issue with his image about his father, Snape and Harry trust issues, Snapes ominous skewed chastisements towards hp that carry on from book 5...) was not an emphasis.

Perhaps there was too much emphasis on the RG/HG/Lav triangle that took away from other subplots or thing going on that could have well been included.


oh well. over all good movie.

Definitely the burrow scene. It was ridiculous that the Death Eaters just terrorized the Weasleys. Now they are implying no wedding.

Wow I never thought of that until you mentioned. It does seem to imply no wedding now that I think about it.

The attack on the Burrow, the waitress (how did Harry get Muggle money to pay for subway fare anyways?), Slughorn stealing the Tentacula leaves, "Being me has its advantages," and the attack on the Burrow again.

Whatever it might imply, the wedding is being included in Deathly Hallows just the same.

They needed to show more about the Horcruxes, Harry has no ideas about three of them right now.

They needed a DADA class in there.

The scene I really wanted to see though was Dumbledore with the Dorsleys

The two things that could have been excluded without any negative reaction from fans would have to be the fight scene at the burrow that never took place and even though many fans loved it the quidditch try outs could have gone without and we would have been able to squeeze in a few more facts about Tom.

"Being me has its advantages,"

I'd have thought HP devotees would have loved that line. :wow: It was so ... Albus! :lol:

For me, it's the Burrow scene.

It's just so ... random.

I'd have thought HP devotees would have loved that line. :wow: It was so ... Albus! :lol:Well... it's not so much that I thought the line was dumb, but the fact that he said it was. Nobody, even Dumbledore, can Apparate into or out of the school grounds. I don't see why they didn't just walk down to Hogsmeade to do it and follow the rules.

If anyhting they could have grabbed Fawkes's tail and dissapeared into fire.

Well... it's not so much that I thought the line was dumb, but the fact that he said it was. Nobody, even Dumbledore, can Apparate into or out of the school grounds. I don't see why they didn't just walk down to Hogsmeade to do it and follow the rules.

Actually, it was established in HBP that Dumbledore was able to lift the anti-apparition jinx at Hogwarts if he chose to do so. He lifted the jinx for the Great Hall so the students could take apparition lessons - but he did limit that to the Great Hall. So it was feasible that he could lift the jinx for the astronomy tower so he and Harry could apparate from there.

However, I would agree that it is not very believable that he would do such a thing with the wizarding world being at war. They put all those extra security enchantments on the castle to keep Death Eaters out so why would Dumbledore lift them for any reason? That was out of character for Dumbledore because it disregarded the safety of the students.

Not to mention, it makes it pretty pointless that Draco fixed the Vanishing cabinet because the Death Eaters could have just apparated to the astronomy tower. ;)

would it have killed them to AT LEAST show a tomb even without a funeral???

am I the only one that thinks that would've been better than the "lets make it sunny" congregation?? not to mention CHEAPER -_- instead of spending all of that $$ on the special effects on the sky and the wands, just get a frikkin TOMB. That wouldve been, IMO, a better closing than the trio at the Tower. The trio looking at the grave and reflecting shouldve been the ending.

Without the continuing discussion of snogging/relationships right after DD dies -_-

Why did they burn down the Burrow? It had nothing to do with the plot. Nor did the waitress scene. I think those two could be excluded and I am sure I am not the only one to think so.

The waitress scene and the burrow should have been cut.

I had been waiting since the release of the 6th book for the scene at privet drive, and it drives me mad that they cut it and put instead this totally-out-of-canon scene.

I don't know how they do it, but they manage to ruin each movie with totally absurd decisions.

And come on, no funeral? it has to be a joke. is this what we've been waiting 8 extra months for?

Just like a lot of other people I wish they would have left out the beginning in the tube station with the waitress and the attack on the Burrow. If they had time to spare, sure, but they cut so many amazing parts of the book, which that makes me wonder what went through their mind. They could've used that time for such wonderful scenes and that's really disappointing.

The Waitress Scene and The Burrow Scene were both incredible wastes of time.
Excessive Cabinet Repairing Scenes were another good 5 minutes
Harry and Ginny in the Room of Requirement (all they needed to do was say harry you need to get rid of it, cut to harry in the room putting it somewhere and cut away)
The Final Scene

(and cut the endlessly cheesy one-liners....please!)

The whole waitress scene in the beginning was pretty pointless. I wish they would have stuck in the Dursleys instead.

- Waitress Scene
- Attack on the Burrow

Those two weren't in the book to begin with and utterly pointless.

- Draco pulling the dust cover off the vanishing cabinet again and again and again and...

- I also think, that it wasn't necessary to show what exactly he was doing and would have excluded the whole Apple/Bird scenes. Showing Draco entering the room of requirement and Harry being suspicious of him would have been enough. We were supposed to be left in the dark anyway, and it kind of ruined the moment when we find out how the DEs managed to get into Hogwarts. By the time that happens, everyone had already made the connection, and we basically just see Draco explain to Dumbledore what we already know.
I know that many people wanted Draco to have more screen time, but those scenes didn't really add anything to this movie and don't matter in the next either, so why waste so much time on them?

- Ginny tying Harry's shoelaces - total facepalm. Does she want to be his girlfriend or is she aspiring to be his loyal House Elf? No offense, but does your girlfriend tie your shoelaces? I'd ask who came up with that one if I didn't already know.

- Harry and Ginny kissing in the room of requirement. Almost as awkward as the shoelace one. They should have gone with the original kiss and instead have the Diadem in that scene. Poor clueless Harry, no hints and a bad kiss.

- Dumbledore telling Harry that he needs to shave. I'm sure the fake Locket and the Inferi didn't mind.

I'm aware that cutting those Harry/Ginny moments almost equals cutting their relationship from the movie, but the whole Harry/Ginny thing didn't convince me in the books and seeing it on screen, it felt even more forced and fake.

While they were up to building relationships, I would have liked to seen Tonks and Lupin's from the end of the book.

I also think a funeral for Dumbledore would have been a nice ending too. Although I did like the wands tribute.

As much as I loved the Burrow scene, I think it could have been excluded. Maybe would have made way for a real battle at Hogwarts or one or two DADA scenes with Snape. Or, maybe not...

I don't think they could have taken it all out. They had to take a lot of Lupin and Tonks out and that was a quick way of showing them togather and of getting Harry and Ginny alone.
I don't think they really had to burn down the burrow though. What about the goblin in the attic, what about the wedding?
Of course it may have been a way to get them to have to move to London to stay with Fred and George.

the waitress (how did Harry get Muggle money to pay for subway fare anyways?),

He has a lot of Wizard money and he could have exchanged it at Gringotts. If the Grangers can change Muggle money into Wizarding money at Gringotts, the bank must also offer the services to exchange money the other way.


The bird that showed up dead - did it die cos the cabinet was still faulty or did someone in Borgin and Burkes just kill it and send it back?


Heh. The first time the apple came back with a chunk missing from it, I jokingly wondered if somebody at Borgin and Burkes had taken a bight out of it to mess with Draco. Their certainly didn't seem to be much love for the Malfoys at the store.

The thing I wonder about is the black bird. Normally, Malfoy stood around and waited for whatever to return to the Vanishing Cabinet, but what is the timeline for the black bird? He put it in the cabinet and then decided to go down for lunch, saw Katy, went to the loo to have a breakdown and then got in a duel with Harry and later Harry lets the bird out? Why didn't he stick around that time.

I also think there is a missing scene near the beginning where Hermione thinks she saw something (and Harry thinks it is a ritual), because the conversation on the train seems so random. Why would Harry and Hermione need to tell Ron about what they saw at B&B when he was there. And it looked more like they were buying furniture than having a ritual.

The scene I could really live without is the shoelace thing. That just didn't work, for me. And I agree that they shouldn't have had Malfoy pull the covering off the Vanishing cabinet over and over again. At some point, shouldn't it have stopped being dusty?

I purposely did not read the book again so the details would not be too clear in my mind and I have been concentrating more on DH.

The waitress scene, yes. It was totally out of charactor for Harry. One of the most important people in his life just died (because of him) and how many months had Serius stayed at 13 and he still died. He was being reckless because he didn't think it mattered.
-DD fixing the Muggle couples house could have been cut.
-Slughorn showing Harry his pictures the first time could have been cut.
-Molly not wanting the kids to go back to Hogwarts was totally in charactor. In OotP there was a whole thread about how Molly was bad for the Order because she was too cautious, based upon her not wanting any of the children to know what was going on and fighting with Serius about it.
-I think Harry landing in the pond was kind of an establishing shot, so that in the later scene you would know what was going on. Not really neccassary but understandable.
-I did not really like the shoelace part, but I understand it. They wanted to show that Ginny would be there to do whatever Harry needed her to do.
-they had to find ways to shove a lot of information into a little time so the Burrow scene, while not being perfect, did it's job competently.
-Ginny chasing Harry into the field through fire and standing back to back with Harry. How much more symbolic do you want to get?
-I think all the scenes with Ron being out of the picture or to the side were foreshadowing what would happen in the next book.
-I think Bella attacking goes back to Spinner's End with Snape telling Bella to keep her hands off what does not belong to her. She was told to follow Harry but she couldn't help taunting him and showing him that the DE could get to anyone, anywhere and there was nothing he could do about it.
-totally agree about the Apperation. DD would not have done that. They should have met at the gate, especially since they did not have the whole tracking people that apperate sceario to deal with.
-less information about the vanishing cabnent definately. They could still show Draco going into the room, crying, or at leastt he scene where he tells Snape he doesn't need his help in full.
I would have liked to have seen just Draco on the train, B&B, the RoR, Draco at the Three Broomsticks, Draco walks into the RoR and then we see the DE come out of the cabinent. That would have been way more suspenseful.

In regards to no DD funeral or Tomb I feel like I heard somewhere (I can't remember exactly) that they were going to do somewhat of what they did in the beginning of this one with a flashback and showing something there, but who knows

The Burrow scene for sure. It totally threw me off, and I wasn't expecting there to be totally random scenes like that in the movie.
Also, the waitress scene in the begining. Technically, Harry could have broken the International Statute of Secrecy... him leaving the paper there was a bit dangerous. And, he seemed distracted when off with Dumbledore. And didn't feel the signifigance of being on a "mission" with Dumbledore or having the private lessons.
--Really excelent scene:
Slug Club dinner party, especially when McLaggen was licking his fingers... bahaha. And when he threw up at Snape's feet... :)

The only thing that disappointed me was the lack of some kind of duel at the end. Everything else, including the things they changed, was welcome and seemed appropriate. I understand that there were a few times where the directors combined two book scenes into one film scene to show things that needed to be shown and save screen time. However, it was so difficult to get the death eaters INTO Hogwarts, it should have been more difficult for them to escape... a little more than just one simple auror knocked out of the way by Snape...

However, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
CMills