Way Ahead for Deathly Hallows Movie(s)

The wedding: Marrying Tonks and Lupin would be totally out of place. It would bog the story and change the personalities of the characters. It would made lots of plot holes which would distract the audience from the main story. Why would Krum, Luna and her father and Auntie Muriel (who probably hates werewolfes) be invited to Tonks and Lupin's wedding? Those guests need to be there to serve a purpose to the story. Without them I'd call the wedding a waste of time. Do you need more reasons? :p

Well, then cut the wedding. Just have the DEs attack Harry's birthday party.

Why are people still debating about the wedding? It's Bill/Fleur, not Lupin/Tonks. That's been confirmed long ago.

HBP has long since been made, yet we still discuss what we think works and what we think doesn't work. This is the same kind of situation.

According to the legal documentation from the lawsuit, the WB was involved because they hold the trademark - not the rights. I put more weight in Jo's comments on the issues. There was more than one condition set in place when they approached her regarding the film rights. Using an all British cast was the least of them. Her major concern was that they not have any rights to the story in that they could change it and insisted that any films made only be based on the books she wrote - as well as sticking to the same format of the books so each film would only cover one year of the story. The WB does not have any rights to use Jo's characters or settings for any other story - i.e. Harry Potter goes to Vegas or Scooby Doo and the Ghosts of Hogwarts. They can only make films based on the existing books that Jo wrote. Jo has also discussed giving her consent for the theme park - that was a separate issue from my understanding of it.

I am aware that many refer to it as her selling the film rights and she was paid for that. But I am also aware that she set forth very strict conditions that the WB had to agree to before she agreed to sell them anything because she has discussed it. As such, I do not believe that they own the full rights to anything regarding Harry Potter because they cannot use the characters or settings for anything other than making films based on the existing books that were written by Jo. She maintains control over the characters, settings, and the story itself. She doesn't get involved with the choice of directors or things like that - she more concerned that they did not have any rights to make major changes to her story without her approving them or use her characters and settings for other stories. So - in my view - they basically only have permission to make films based on the books because they don't have the rights to do anything else.

Really, I think it's a shame that more authors don't realize they can do that. I think book adaptions in general would be much better films if the more authors knew they could prevent studios from making ridiculous changes to the story. My only complaint would be that Jo doesn't really take advantage of the control she has. But she said that she accepted from the beginning that the films would be substandard to the books so I guess she's happy as long as they follow the format of the books and don't use her characters and settings for other films.

Yep, that's pretty much how I see it as well. And I just wanted to add to this debate...don't forgot that Jo has script approval! :p Or at least she did for the first 2 films, as the intial contract outlined. I suppose it's possible they changed the contract for the subsequent films, but we know she at least still looks over the script and advises them on what can and can't be done. (ie not cutting Kreacher from OotP) :relax:

I think for her to reject the script it would REALLY have to deviate though...she seems pretty content with the films how they are. It would take like a completely rewrite, something completely unrecognizable from the source material (PoA comes close to this :lol:) Or a "rip-off"

Anyways, my point is Jo having script approval probably isn't much comfort to those fans who are like "how in the hell can Jo let them do this?!" What a lot don't seem to realize is Jo is perhaps the one signing off on any changes to the story and doesn't care as long as the films keeps true to the spirit of the books. People seem to think Jo is just sitting there powerless to stop them from ruining her story...nah :shrug:

The princes tale! Just because of this part...

“You have kept him alive so that he can die at the right moment?”

“Don’t be shocked, Severus. How many men and women have you watched die?”

“Lately, only those whom I could not save,” said Snape. He stood up. “You have used me.”

“Meaning?”

“I have spied for you and lied for you, put myself in mortal danger for you. Everything was supposed to be to keep Lily Potter’s son safe. Now you tell me you have been raising him like a pig for slaughter – ”

“But this is touching, Severus,” said Dumbledore seriously. “Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?”

“For him?” shouted Snape. “Expecto Patronum!”

From the tip of his wand burst the silver doe. She landed on the office floor, bounded once across the office, and soared out of the window. Dumbledore watched her fly away, and as her silvery glow faded he turned back to Snape, and his eyes were full of tears.

“After all this time?”

“Always,” said Snape.

Almost brings a tear to my eye! :sad:

I just think Snape's storyline is so cheesy. It just didn't work for me.

Re the polyjuice. Do you think they might try a technique where the scene is filmed 2x, once with Hermy dressed as Bella, acting as Bella, and the next with Bella herself doing it as others see her.

There are old photos of this. Hermione polyjuiced as Bellatrix on their way to disapparte to the bank. I do wonder if they will use Hermione's voice or what. I sort of think they might only because when they were filming the trio outside the ministry they had the orginal young trio unpolyjuiced do the scene and then the trio polyjuiced as older actors do the scene. I wondered if they did that to capture the sound. I don't know though.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/decarus427/DH/disapparation%20to%20bank/dh_day1shellcottagefilming_01.jpg

Yep, that's pretty much how I see it as well. And I just wanted to add to this debate...don't forgot that Jo has script approval! :p Or at least she did for the first 2 films, as the intial contract outlined. I suppose it's possible they changed the contract for the subsequent films, but we know she at least still looks over the script and advises them on what can and can't be done. (ie not cutting Kreacher from OotP) :relax:

I think for her to reject the script it would REALLY have to deviate though...she seems pretty content with the films how they are. It would take like a completely rewrite, something completely unrecognizable from the source material (PoA comes close to this :lol:) Or a "rip-off"

Anyways, my point is Jo having script approval probably isn't much comfort to those fans who are like "how in the hell can Jo let them do this?!" What a lot don't seem to realize is Jo is perhaps the one signing off on any changes to the story and doesn't care as long as the films keeps true to the spirit of the books. People seem to think Jo is just sitting there powerless to stop them from ruining her story...nah :shrug:

Yeah - I forgot to mention the script approval. She sits in on the readings and tells them if anything needs to be changed as well. I would be among those who always wondered why she let them do certain things, but I was reading through some of her interviews about the films and there was one where she said that she accepted that the films would be substandard and her primary concern was that they not be able to make major changes to the story - or just use the characters for a different story entirely. She wanted the films to follow the same format as the books. I think it's a shame that she was willing to settle for substandard films when they could have been spectacular, but I can somewhat understand her position considering that she was busy writing the series for the bulk of the filming for the previous films. Really getting involved with the films would have been time consuming.

It seems she might be more involved with DH though - just a feeling really, but it seems that way. Probably because they seem to really be aiming for a spectacular finish to the series. :lol:

I just think Snape's storyline is so cheesy. It just didn't work for me.

Same here. Too many plot holes.

There are old photos of this. Hermione polyjuiced as Bellatrix on their way to disapparte to the bank. I do wonder if they will use Hermione's voice or what. I sort of think they might only because when they were filming the trio outside the ministry they had the orginal young trio unpolyjuiced do the scene and then the trio polyjuiced as older actors do the scene. I wondered if they did that to capture the sound. I don't know though.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/decarus427/DH/disapparation%20to%20bank/dh_day1shellcottagefilming_01.jpg

I like that photo. I wish it was a better shot of Rupert though - I'm curious how far they went in changing his appearance. The brown hair and beard are good though.

I think they filmed the Ministry scenes with both the trio and the older actors for the purposes of doing the polyjuice transformation. It makes sense that they would start with the trio and then move to the older actors - the CGI for the transformation would be edited into the scene in post production.

It does seem likely that they will use their voices for the polyjuice scenes because that did work really well in COS. I think that would be a good way to help the audience remember who is who when they're disguised.

Yeah - I forgot to mention the script approval. She sits in on the readings and tells them if anything needs to be changed as well. I would be among those who always wondered why she let them do certain things, but I was reading through some of her interviews about the films and there was one where she said that she accepted that the films would be substandard and her primary concern was that they not be able to make major changes to the story - or just use the characters for a different story entirely. She wanted the films to follow the same format as the books. I think it's a shame that she was willing to settle for substandard films when they could have been spectacular, but I can somewhat understand her position considering that she was busy writing the series for the bulk of the filming for the previous films.

Whether a film is substandard or not has nothing to do with author control. :cool: After all, many people on this forum regularly praise the LotR films to the skies and say how much better they are than the HP films. Yet the LotR films take far greater liberties with their source material than the HP films have ever done with theirs.

Jo is not the director. She does not have the say-so on the final cut. She is not calling the shots on the production, the director is. When an author sells film rights, they know they are relinquishing a degree of creative control.

As I have said, Jo is extremely fortunate to have had as much input as she has done. She is also blessed in that all the HP directors have given her books pretty reverential treatment.

Favourite: PS/SS movie
Best:HBP movie

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I can't believe how scruffy Ron looks in that photo! Like a caveman!

I like that photo. I wish it was a better shot of Rupert though - I'm curious how far they went in changing his appearance. The brown hair and beard are good though.

I think they filmed the Ministry scenes with both the trio and the older actors for the purposes of doing the polyjuice transformation. It makes sense that they would start with the trio and then move to the older actors - the CGI for the transformation would be edited into the scene in post production.

It does seem likely that they will use their voices for the polyjuice scenes because that did work really well in COS. I think that would be a good way to help the audience remember who is who when they're disguised.

I think this is the best shot of Rupert though there is some argument to whether or not that is Rupert. It is Ron though. He might have a fake nose.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/decarus427/DH/disapparation%20to%20bank/shellron2.jpg

PS.

I can't believe how scruffy Ron looks in that photo! Like a caveman!

This is after Hermione has fixed him up to look different for them entering the bank. He does look very different.

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/deathly-hallows-crew-shooting-liverpool-tunnel-68041/

More filming has been going on in a tunnel. No main cast members are there. Equipment for action scenes and stunts is there though.

Seven Potters?

Meesha, you have not provided any objective evidence that Rowling sits in on the readings, etc.

I have quoted from her own site that she "could not" veto the choice of film director.

She has also stated that Gilliam was her choice of director for the first film - and we know how much notice WB took of her opinion on that.

Well, then cut the wedding. Just have the DEs attack Harry's birthday party.



Not a bad idea, but it would be a replay of the Burrow attack in HBP. If they cut the wedding the attack better be cut as well. Just having the trio travelling on their own will. But why would they go to Grimmauld's place? By cutting the wedding you loose the sense of danger and we would also loose information about Dumbledore' past and the first sight of the Deathly Hallows. However, after Malfoy Manor they could've returned to the Burrow instead of Shell Cottage. There would be no need to introduce Bill and Fleur. Even though the Burrow isn't safe in the book, it could make sense movie-wise.

I was thinking about it today and it might be a good idea to include the wedding, to have more of the Weasley family and remind the audience how many brothers Ron has. It might not sound significant, but it's a huge part of Ron's growth as a character, especially in DH1. Ron always feels overshadowed by his older brothers and feels like the 'useless' child next to his sister, which is a major element of his dilemma during the silver doe chapter.

Just a thought.

Is Charlie Weasley cast?

PS. There is a video showing the side car, but not any actual filming. It is something at least. It seemed like we got a lot of news and now it has been a bit slow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLROWMrL-z0

Meesha, you have not provided any objective evidence that Rowling sits in on the readings, etc.

I have quoted from her own site that she "could not" veto the choice of film director.

She has also stated that Gilliam was her choice of director for the first film - and we know how much notice WB took of her opinion on that.

She may not be able to veto the choice of director, but she does indeed sit in on the script readings at the very least. Listen to PotterCast's interview with JKR. At the inital HBP reading she saw Matthew Lewis and thought he was the actor who had been chosen to play Cormac McLaggen!

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/hermione-s-father-cast-deathly-hallows-68063/

They cast Hermione's father!

I think this is the best shot of Rupert though there is some argument to whether or not that is Rupert. It is Ron though. He might have a fake nose.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/decarus427/DH/disapparation%20to%20bank/shellron2.jpg

I hadn't seen that one - thanks for posting it. I think that is Rupert. The shape of the face looks like him anyway. It's a good make up job.

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/deathly-hallows-crew-shooting-liverpool-tunnel-68041/

More filming has been going on in a tunnel. No main cast members are there. Equipment for action scenes and stunts is there though.

Seven Potters?

Seems likely - looks similar to those pictures we had a while back with the stunt doubles on the motorcycle. I'm not sure why they're doing all this on the street though. Seems like an odd choice to me.

I was thinking about it today and it might be a good idea to include the wedding, to have more of the Weasley family and remind the audience how many brothers Ron has. It might not sound significant, but it's a huge part of Ron's growth as a character, especially in DH1. Ron always feels overshadowed by his older brothers and feels like the 'useless' child next to his sister, which is a major element of his dilemma during the silver doe chapter.

Just a thought.

That's a good point. I still think they'll put more focus on the reception and the information Harry gets there, but that would be a good place for them to show how Ron feels overshadowed by his family. That would work very well for building up to the Silver Doe.

I think this is the best shot of Rupert though there is some argument to whether or not that is Rupert. It is Ron though. He might have a fake nose.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/decarus427/DH/disapparation%20to%20bank/shellron2.jpg

PS.



This is after Hermione has fixed him up to look different for them entering the bank. He does look very different.

I like how Bellatrix/Hermione is holding what appears to be a Starbucks cup! :lol:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/hermione-s-father-cast-deathly-hallows-68063/

They cast Hermione's father!

Ahhh! How exciting!! I didn't think we'd get to see Hermione modifying her parents' memories since it happened off-scene in the book. I'm really glad they're doing it, it should be brilliant! And a bit heartbreaking at the same time :(

Is it wrong that I kind of think that Hermione's dad is kind of, umm... hot? :lol:

She may not be able to veto the choice of director, but she does indeed sit in on the script readings at the very least. Listen to PotterCast's interview with JKR. At the inital HBP reading she saw Matthew Lewis and thought he was the actor who had been chosen to play Cormac McLaggen!

Yeah - that was a funny story. :lol: That was also where she told them that they could not have Dumbledore telling Harry about a woman he once loved because he was gay so they changed it. She also visits the set when she can and talks to the actors about their characters to help them with the characterization. Jo has actually had quite a bit of input with the films. She gave them the layout for the grounds and the castle that has been used for all the films, the design for the Great Hall - which she says feels like walking inside her head :lol: - the Black family tree and other information like what their patronuses were for OOTP, etc... She's had input with the casting - Robbie Coltrane was her choice to play Hagrid - and she's talked about how she visited the set on the first film and had to tell them they needed to recast Dean Thomas because they had cast a white actor and he was a black character. She's had a lot of input with the scripts and she's talked about how they contact her to get approval regarding changes they want to make or ask her opinion on things before they do them.

Those are the significant details for me. Who the director is - not so much. That's a decision that should be made by the studio because they will know more about that kind of thing, IMO. It doesn't bother me that Jo didn't ask for that in the contract because it's not something I would be able to make a decision about myself. I barely know one director from another - I couldn't tell you who directed the majority of the films I've seen. I know the big ones like Lucas and Spielberg and I generally know who directed the HP films because it gets discussed a lot on the forums, but that's not something I pay much attention to normally. Names keep cropping up here - like that Terry Guidam (something along those lines) or Mike Shama something or other (can't remember how to spell it), but I have no idea who they are. Sometimes I'll look them up to see if I've seen any of their films, but it's really not that important to me.

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/hermione-s-father-cast-deathly-hallows-68063/

They cast Hermione's father!

Very cool. I'm not too surprised since we had a casting announcement for her mother a while back. The current rumor is that they will be filming a scene to show Hermione altering their memories. I wonder if we will finally find out what their real names are? :lol:

Really, I think it's a shame that more authors don't realize they can do that. I think book adaptions in general would be much better films if the more authors knew they could prevent studios from making ridiculous changes to the story.
The old discussion of film and literary mediums being different aside and exhaustingly overemphasized I think we should exit from adaptations of the fantasy nature and enter the sci-fi one. Namely the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. It's kind of funny because what happened with the film production of HHGG is similar to what you suggest, but instead it's more the film honouring the author's work than the author enforcing his message:
* "The script we shot was very much based on the last draft that Douglas wrote....All the substantive new ideas in the movie...are brand new Douglas ideas written especially for the movie by him....Douglas was always up for reinventing HHGG in each of its different incarnations and he knew that working harder on some character development and some of the key relationships was an integral part of turning HHGG into a movie."

* "I think that a lot of fans would be surprised to know just how much of a free hand we have been given in the making of this movie. I know how easy it is to see every decision to cut a scene as 'studio' pressure but it was always much more to do with pacing and rhythm in the film itself."
While different incarnations could just suggest remakes of a singular series, really it's just goes to show how much Douglas Adams as a writer, author and screenwriter understands that with each different medium of radio, stage, television, literature and ultimately (and related to the topic at hand) film; there has to be changes made in order to properly accommodate each medium. He, himself even wrote changes from book to film that book fans cry out against knowing full well that not doing so would result in a substandard film and thus a substandard adaptation.

Yes meesha you are right, authors can indeed make a better film adaptation of their materials. However only if they have the knowledge and multi-skilled abilities in the different mediums. And while JKR wasn't as involved in the scriptwriting process as Adams, I think they do share the same philosophy regarding adaptation processes as seen by this quote:
"Alfonso's version of my world. It's his baby. For the very obvious reason that books and films are such different media, to do a very literal adaptation maybe wouldn't serve the material best, and I think he's done exactly what I hoped he would do."
A neat correlation that I found if I say so myself between a sci fi writer and young adult writer.
My only complaint would be that Jo doesn't really take advantage of the control she has. But she said that she accepted from the beginning that the films would be substandard to the books so I guess she's happy as long as they follow the format of the books and don't use her characters and settings for other films.
That's neat that you paraphrased a quote that I introduced to you. But I think the context you're interpreting it isn't in correlation to the intent that JKR is saying. It's assuming a lot but all us fans had made mistakes from JKR's quotes from time to time.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/decarus427/DH/disapparation%20to%20bank/dh_day1shellcottagefilming_01.jpg

That looks like a (pregnant) Helena Bonham Carter, not Emma Watson.

That looks like Helena Bonham Carter, not Emma Watson.That's right, as decarus wrote: it's Hermione polyjuiced as Bellatrix on their way to disapparate to the bank. That's ought to be played by H. B. Carter. :)

Anyways, my point is Jo having script approval probably isn't much comfort to those fans who are like "how in the hell can Jo let them do this?!" What a lot don't seem to realize is Jo is perhaps the one signing off on any changes to the story and doesn't care as long as the films keeps true to the spirit of the books. People seem to think Jo is just sitting there powerless to stop them from ruining her story...nah :shrug:

I think she did her film deal for ALL the books, and is kind of stuck... ($1 quid for a franchise that is now rivaling Star Wars. !?!). At the beginning, she may have recognized that she didn't know much about film making. She could easily have made things tough for the movie makers (see Ann Rice vs Tom Cruise in Kiss of a Vampire, prolific authoress now has no more movies made of her books).

I wonder if she kept TV rights. I think they could do a weekly TV series easily, with new actors, that would bring in all the detail and stay very accurate.

That's right, as decarus wrote: it's Hermione polyjuiced as Bellatrix on their way to disapparate to the bank. That's ought to be played by H. B. Carter. :)

Where did the tummy come from is my point.

Emma is very tall, and Helena very short. I'll look again, but I'm not sure I believe it.

That looks like a (pregnant) Helena Bonham Carter, not Emma Watson.

Is Helena Bonham Carter pregnant?

HBC has been having kiddies and apparently has one in the oven
http://fametastic.co.uk/archive/20090826/17964/helena-bonham-carter-pregnant/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2488/3903204137_33d10fe591.jpg

Emma, not so much.

Here, this is the best I can do on the profiles.

note: Hermione's nose is curved up to the tip, while Helena's has an arch down to tip.
Also Hermione's chin is ... (don't have words) while Helena's has a bobble under it.
Finally, Helena has higher cheekbones. Helena's lips protrude a little too.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3469/3903965950_74421c19aa.jpg

And Emma definitely doesn't have cleavage starting 1 inch below her clavicles.

I think she did her film deal for ALL the books, and is kind of stuck... ($1 quid for a franchise that is now rivaling Star Wars. !?!). At the beginning, she may have recognized that she didn't know much about film making. She could easily have made things tough for the movie makers (see Ann Rice vs Tom Cruise in Kiss of a Vampire, prolific authoress now has no more movies made of her books).

I wonder if she kept TV rights. I think they could do a weekly TV series easily, with new actors, that would bring in all the detail and stay very accurate.

The initial contract was for the first three books - which were the only ones that had been published at that point - with the option of doing the subsequent books as they were completed and published. The same was done with the actors with their contracts being for the first three films. After POA was completed, new contracts were done.

Where did the tummy come from is my point.

Emma is very tall, and Helena very short. I'll look again, but I'm not sure I believe it.

I think I see where you are confused. No, that is not Emma dressed as Bellatrix. That is Helena Bonham Carter playing the role of Hermione for the scene where she uses polyjuice potion to impersonate Bellatrix.

Emma has talked about how Helena met with her to discuss how to play the role of Hermione - it was a cute story. :)

HBC has been having kiddies and apparently has one in the oven
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2488/3903204137_33d10fe591.jpg

That is just her coat. That bump. This is not Emma it is Helena Bonham Carter playing 'Hermione'. See she is holding the beaded bag.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/decarus427/DH/disapparation%20to%20bank/apparationbank.jpg

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/9/9/deathly-hallows-seven-potters-chase-scene-photos-from-bovingdon-airfield

Photos from Bovingdon Airfield! I think it's just the doubles though

Here's an interview (http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2009/09/10/new-moon-star-jamie-bower-reveals-details-about-the-final-potter-films-hint-he-only-excepts-to-be-in-first-one/) with the actor who's playing Grindelwald.

My comments? He's read all of the Twilight books but NOT all of the Harry Potters?!
:grumble: :argh: ekjfnufskjfkuehuahckunwiufhah

What!? :no:

Here's an interview (http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2009/09/10/new-moon-star-jamie-bower-reveals-details-about-the-final-potter-films-hint-he-only-excepts-to-be-in-first-one/) with the actor who's playing Grindelwald.

My comments? He's read all of the Twilight books but NOT all of the Harry Potters?!
:grumble: :argh: ekjfnufskjfkuehuahckunwiufhah

What!? :no:

Well, let's get this into perspective...

1) for most actors (except the main cast of young actors) this is just another job. I have not come across this guy before, but in the light of (2) this is presumably the case here.

2) this is almost certainly going to be a kind of cameo, rather than a real role. Even in the book, young Grindelwald gets very little page time (so to speak).....


If he reads all the books, that would probably take him longer than the time he'll spend on the HP set. So why should we expect him to read them?

He will probably spend a day on the set. I read the book in a day, less actually, though that may not be normal.

PS. All the books. I was just thinking of DH. I guess it would take longer then a day to read all the books.

Well, let's get this into perspective...

1) for most actors (except the main cast of young actors) this is just another job. I have not come across this guy before, but in the light of (2) this is presumably the case here.

2) this is almost certainly going to be a kind of cameo, rather than a real role. Even in the book, young Grindelwald gets very little page time (so to speak).....


If he reads all the books, that would probably take him longer than the time he'll spend on the HP set. So why should we expect him to read them?

I understand all that, I wasn't expecting him to read all the books in order for him to really understand his character. I was merely expressing my horror at the fact that he has read Twilight, but not Harry Potter. What sane, intelligent person would rather read Twilight over Harry Potter?!

I understand all that, I wasn't expecting him to read all the books in order for him to really understand his character. I was merely expressing my horror at the fact that he has read Twilight, but not Harry Potter. What sane, intelligent person would rather read Twilight over Harry Potter?!


LOL! Well, that' obviously a legitimate question.
I don't know what he is plaing in the Twilight films - but does he count as 'young central cast' there? In that case he'd probably feel the obligation....

Although..... I remember fans being outraged for years that ELijah Wood nver read LotR (I suspct he still hasn't read it, which amues me no end). He was young and had the main role, but having been in actng for most of his life I suspect he had acquired the 'just another job' mentality long before he got to New Zealand. :lol:


He will probably spend a day on the set. I read the book in a day, less actually, though that may not be normal.

PS. All the books. I was just thinking of DH. I guess it would take longer then a day to read all the books.

Yes, I was thinking of all the books.... About four or five days for all of them, I'd say? First three in a day, a day each for the others?

I understand all that, I wasn't expecting him to read all the books in order for him to really understand his character. I was merely expressing my horror at the fact that he has read Twilight, but not Harry Potter. What sane, intelligent person would rather read Twilight over Harry Potter?!
That's sort of hurtful to say about people who like Twilight. By comparison it's like saying "How can some sane person read all of HP and not read LOTR?" Or "How can anyone of a reasonable state of mind would rather read LOTR and not read War and Peace?" While Twilight's quality of content is questionable, the entertainment it brings to people is genuine. To question or even insult their intelligence because they consume a seemingly inferior intellectual product, is just the sort of elitism these forums prohibit.

Mugglenet has a news item about the actor who plays Gellert Grindelwald:

"I play Gellert Grindelwald, who is an old friend of Dumbledore's," explained the 21-year-old actor. "It's a flashback character, which is good fun. I did a little bit before I went off and did 'New Moon.'"

"No, I'm just doing number one," he answered when we asked if Grindelwald was scheduled to be in both halves of the split-for-the-cinema-sequels made from J.K. Rowling's "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" novel. "Thus far, I mean. I haven't seen the script for the second one; I don't think anyone has seen the script for the second one."

As for the look of Gellert, the actor revealed: "We're pretty much keeping it straight; the costume is fantastic — we had this idea that he's very bird-like. He's described in the book as almost looking like a crow or something like that, and we [latched] onto that; I have a nice jacket which makes me look cool."

In fact, Jamie told us, if you look closely at Grindelwald's appearance when the first half of "Deathly Hallows" hits theaters in November 2010, you'll see hints of his bird motif. "It doesn't have wings or anything; it's just the way that it's cut. It's very subtle," he explained. "But, as is true with a lot of things in film, if you know what the intention is and the background of it, then you can recognize it — but if you're not really watching or paying any attention, then you'll miss it."

"http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2009/09/10/new-moon-star-jamie-bower-reveals-details-about-the-final-potter-films-hint-he-only-excepts-to-be-in-first-one/"

I need to go back and re-read DH, but when was Grindelwald described as bird-like? I don't remember that at all.

-JR

Mugglenet has a news item about the actor who plays Gellert Grindelwald:



"http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2009/09/10/new-moon-star-jamie-bower-reveals-details-about-the-final-potter-films-hint-he-only-excepts-to-be-in-first-one/"

I need to go back and re-read DH, but when was Grindelwald described as bird-like? I don't remember that at all.

-JR

Just read it the other day, I am looking for the page as I type this. JK refers to Grindelwald's appearence similar to a bird when Harry has a point of access into Voldemorts thoughts and visons during the Dark Lords interigation of Gregorovitch about the possible location of the Elder wand. This takes place when the trio is in the midst of their camping phase, Harry is caught off gaurd once again when Voldemorts emotions are high and as a result Harry views the scene unfolding through the eyes of Voldemort as he does many times over the course of the book. Voldemort further questions Gregorovitch and looks into his mind where he and Harry see this:

"And now Harry was hurrying along a dark corridor in stout little Gregorovitch's wake as he held a lantern aloft: Gregorovitch burst into the room....there on the window ledge sat perched, like a giant bird, a young man with golden hair. In the split second the lantern's light illuminated him, Harry saw the delight upon his handsome face, then the intruder shot a stunning spell from his wand and jumped neatly backward out of the window with a crow of laughter." Deathly Hallows page 279 - 280

Although..... I remember fans being outraged for years that ELijah Wood nver read LotR (I suspct he still hasn't read it, which amues me no end). He was young and had the main role, but having been in actng for most of his life I suspect he had acquired the 'just another job' mentality long before he got to New Zealand. :lol:



Perhaps if he had bothered.... he would have fought harder to have Frodo portrayed as something other than a sack of spuds lumped about by Arwen, Aragorn, whoever.... McKellen, Viggo and even Astin read the books and fought hard to keep their characters' key scenes. Viggo used to send 10 page midnight faxes to the writers with suggestions. Mirando Otto fought to have some Eowyn lines kept in.

Of the principals, I would say Wood gave the most insipid, uninspired performance.

If it is a substantial part, then the actor would be advised to read the book as prep, even if the script makes radical changes.

Grindelwald is a very, very minor role. It's not like reading the books will give the actor any useful insight into the character.

Just read it the other day, I am looking for the page as I type this. JK refers to Grindelwald's appearence similar to a bird when Harry has a point of access into Voldemorts thoughts and visons during the Dark Lords interigation of Gregorovitch about the possible location of the Elder wand. This takes place when the trio is in the midst of their camping phase, Harry is caught off gaurd once again when Voldemorts emotions are high and as a result Harry views the scene unfolding through the eyes of Voldemort as he does many times over the course of the book. Voldemort further questions Gregorovitch and looks into his mind where he and Harry see this:

"And now Harry was hurrying along a dark corridor in stout little Gregorovitch's wake as he held a lantern aloft: Gregorovitch burst into the room....there on the window ledge sat perched, like a giant bird, a young man with golden hair. In the split second the lantern's light illuminated him, Harry saw the delight upon his handsome face, then the intruder shot a stunning spell from his wand and jumped neatly backward out of the window with a crow of laughter." Deathly Hallows page 279 - 280

Thank you for the text Lennon. I now remember reading that as I read your post. I guess the reason why I never made the connection is because JKR says he is perched on the window ledge like a bird. What I got from this was he was perched there like a bird would be perched, not that he actually looked like a bird, but that was just how I read it.

-JR

I agree with you it is the perching that is birdlike not the actually person. They always make weird connections in films like that though.

I agree with you it is the perching that is birdlike not the actually person. They always make weird connections in films like that though.

Yeah I agree, not like it is a large involvment in anything with the plot so...

Not sure how a piece of clothing can even give the impression of somone appearing to be a bird but hey...who knows until we see.

I need to go back and re-read DH, but when was Grindelwald described as bird-like? I don't remember that at all.

-JR

In the german wandmaker's memory, Grindelwald the young was perched on the windowsill, laughing, the stolen wand in his hand, before he dropped over the sill. I always thought it was a 1 story house, so not a big drop, but it could have been a leap into flight.

Oh yeah, Lennon posted that.

I thought he was puckish, not birdlike. I like the physical appearance of the actor tho', he looks like I could imagine Grindelwald.

What sane, intelligent person would rather read Twilight over Harry Potter?!

A lot more young adult roles in Twilight than Harry Potter.

Anyway, reading is not exclusive. The more you read, the more books you consume.

I hate people telling me what to read. On principle I never read any of the books I was "assigned" in my high school English classes

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before but do we know whether Snape's story will be hinted at throughout the film(s), as it was with Draco's task in the Half Blood Prince film, or will be kept hidden until he gives the memories to Harry?

I think that if some obvious clues are given as to Snape's true identity from the beginning it'll make the movie a lot easier to follow for people who haven't read the books, however, it might ruin the suspense and lessen the importance of the moments when we find the truth.

They could even do it so that we know Snape is attempting to help the trio, eg. see him planting the sword, talking to Dumbledore's portrait and just find out his motivations for it at the end.

If they stick rigidly to the book we would know pretty much nothing until the very end when there would most likely have to be a flashback, which could be sort of tacky and confusing.

I can see it working any way but was just wondering which you think would be better. Again, sorry if this has been discussed before or is in the wrong place.

I have been looking through videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sft-iSthzrw&feature=PlayList&p=15DABE6B9531C7F5) and such lately and i found these two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oclvPjh4tZ0&feature=related) of the filming at shell cottage. They have a little bit of a problem keeping the camera steady, but i don't remember seeing these. I do remember seeing one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVQEEOMERog&feature=related) where they shoot the close ups, but not this view.

I thought this looked great. The emotional part of this scene for me was always Hermione being tortured. It looks like Harry runs over to Hermione who is laying on the ground with Ron holding her. Hermione then gets up as Harry runs toward Dobby, but then she falls back onto the ground as Luna and Bill run up. Bill looks over at Harry then goes and puts his hand on Ron's shoulder to check if they are okay. Luna kneels down next to Harry and Dobby. Looks great. Very emotional.

Couldn't watch more than a few seconds of those clips (i want to), I only have so much hp left to look forward to though. Discluding fan fics, that is a big scene in the movie for me to so...

Yeah I agree^ I stopped after the first few seconds. My sister and I vowed not to watch ANY clips before the movie. The only thing we can watch is the trailers. We watched so many for HBP and we don't want that to happen with DH too.

Ironically, I agree. I went overboard with HBP. :lol: Creating a list detailing every single update, watching every single trailer and clip about a million times each, etc etc.

I'm planning on going into DH only having seen the official trailers a few times. HBP would have better if I hadn't memorized the clips. :lol: Knowing about it didn't hurt, but seeing so much footage really did.

Yeah, but that is just on the set filming. It's going to look completely different in the actual film. If I refrain from anything it will be the real footage. However, I didn't really feel like watching all the stuff from HBP lessened the experience of seeing it in theatres for the first time.

That being said I think once college starts again I'll stop participating in the thread and just check the HP news sites for updates on the production. :shrug: I guess I'll miss out on any script leaks and such but maybe someone can continue the DH list which I'll read occasionally

Cause you know, Snitchseeker, Leaky, MGnet, etc can only post "official" info :rolleyes: I still wonder if they even knew about the script leaks :lol:

Couldn't watch more than a few seconds of those clips (i want to), I only have so much hp left to look forward to though. Discluding fan fics, that is a big scene in the movie for me to so...

I agree. Because I don't want to spoil myself too badly and the camera work is just terrible, I stopped after only a little bit.

So since it had pretty much been confirmed that the split will be right after the capture/before we get to Malfoy Manor, Dobby's death will be probably at about the first hour mark with more deaths to follow :( . Talk about the 8th film being the darkest.

-JR

I really don't see how that's going to work...how could you start a film with a climax? The beginning of part two is just going to feel tacked-on IMO.

Just ssaw the two videos. Nothing really revealing. We basically saw what was going on in the photos we got.

I can't wait for the Gringotts scene, if they get it right, it'll look AMAZING.

I can't really watch anything till the movie comes to theater. I would rather be surprised by how good or bad they make the scene. I will read stuff however though on the scenes they are putting in the movie. That way I can keep my imagination alive somewhat.

Just ssaw the two videos. Nothing really revealing. We basically saw what was going on in the photos we got.

I know, I don't understand why everyone is so reserved. It really doesn't reveal much...just some on set filming. I could understand if it were actual finished footage that would be appearing in the film. I think people are going way overboard on trying to stay unspoiled :shrug:

I can't wait to see Malfoy manor, and to learn more about how Draco got so mean. though I am wonder how they are going to incorporate Dobby back in or how else they are going to get out of there.

I can't wait to see Malfoy manor, and to learn more about how Draco got so mean. though I am wonder how they are going to incorporate Dobby back in or how else they are going to get out of there.

You can't wait to see how Draco got so mean? He's been mean since Sorcerer's Stone!

I really don't see how that's going to work...how could you start a film with a climax? The beginning of part two is just going to feel tacked-on IMO.

I think someone important on DH has confirmed that the Snatchers scene will be where the split takes place. Having Dobby die an hour into the first movie isn't really starting off with a climax is it?

-JR

I think someone important on DH has confirmed that the Snatchers scene will be where the split takes place. Having Dobby die an hour into the first movie isn't really starting off with a climax is it?

-JR

I think maybe he meant that Malfoy Manor is the climax.

I think maybe he meant that Malfoy Manor is the climax.

Is it though? It is a very important scene but I don't consider it a climax.

-JR

It's the one scene I feel is best suited to be a climax. Btw, if they split at the snatchers, Dobby's death won't be an hour into DH2...I don't think the Malfoy manor sequence will be an hour long...I'd say 15-20 minutes at the most making Dobby's death barely a half-hour into the movie.

It's the one scene I feel is best suited to be a climax. Btw, if they split at the snatchers, Dobby's death won't be an hour into DH2...I don't think the Malfoy manor sequence will be an hour long...I'd say 15-20 minutes at the most making Dobby's death barely a half-hour into the movie.

This is the way I am picturing it and this is based on nothing but my own opinion :p :

Movie one ends with Harry saying Voldemort and you hear the snatchers outside the tent. Movie two opens with Harry being "disguised" and the snatchers snatching the trio and off we go to Malfoy Manor.

BTW, do you think movie two will have a "recap" or we just go into it? I vote no recap but who knows?

-JR

I think someone important on DH has confirmed that the Snatchers scene will be where the split takes place. Having Dobby die an hour into the first movie isn't really starting off with a climax is it?

I presumed the burring of Dobby would be the end of the first film, or something similarity poignant. I think this is were the book becomes more focused - Harry takes command and focuses his search for the Horcruxes.

The Snatchers outside the tent is more of a cliff hanger ending ....next on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows....When we left off last time our trio were in trouble....not good. :no:

This is the way I am picturing it and this is based on nothing but my own opinion :p :

Movie one ends with Harry saying Voldemort and you hear the snatchers outside the tent. Movie two opens with Harry being "disguised" and the snatchers snatching the trio and off we go to Malfoy Manor.

BTW, do you think movie two will have a "recap" or we just go into it? I vote no recap but who knows?

-JR
I think that the director guy said that the trio will be chased through the woods by the snatchers who then catch them and are trying to figure out who they are, so i would think that Harry was already disguised at this point.

He said it was not long after this moment that the film ends. I just think, in only my opinion also, that there has to be more to the ending then just they are captured the end. This is why i like the idea of Harry seeing in his head Voldemort gain the elder wand right before the end. The problem with that being that it may cause some confusion in the second film.

I also wonder if they will be chased from the Lovegood's house after learning about the deathly hallows and then are captured, therefore having the knowledge about the deathly hallows be the last thing we learn if they don't want to go as far as showing Voldemort gain the elder wand.

I just think it is possible that things may be a little different in there and we just don't have enough information to know at this point.

PS. I don't think the DH2 will have a recap. They should just continue on as if there was no break.

I presumed the burring of Dobby would be the end of the first film, or something similarity poignant. I think this is were the book becomes more focused - Harry takes command and focuses his search for the Horcruxes.

The Snatchers outside the tent is more of a cliff hanger ending ....next on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows....When we left off last time our trio were in trouble....not good. :no:

I agree with Dobby's burring as the end of the 1st half. Fans wouldn't like a cliff hanger like that, it's a little to much. I think if it ends at Shell Cottage it will be a better why to end it without there being to much of a cliff hanger. I think that would be a perfect spot to end it.

I'm still hoping they reconsider during the editiorial process. Dobby's burial is the only split point that makes sense to me...

Btw, when do you guys and gals think we'll get our very first DH teaser trailer?

They started filming at the end of last January, didn't they? When a HP film comes out in November (and it wasen't delayed *cough* ;)), we usally got our first trailer in april or may of the year it was coming out didn't we? I remember the GOF teaser was released in early May. But since they have been filming for so long now, I would think it's possible we'd get a teaser for part one a little earlier...maybe Jan or Feb of 2010? Oh boy...I'm going to get deja-vu...I wonder which film in 2010 will have a teaser attacthed to it. :p

It's back to teaser hunting, my old friends. :lol: The cycle continues anew.

I think one of the sources said a distraught Xenophilius sends the DE's to capture the trio, who run to the forest, where they are eventually captured.

It's the one scene I feel is best suited to be a climax. Btw, if they split at the snatchers, Dobby's death won't be an hour into DH2...I don't think the Malfoy manor sequence will be an hour long...I'd say 15-20 minutes at the most making Dobby's death barely a half-hour into the movie.

Will Dobby Die at 10 minutes?
By 30 minutes they will be onto Gringotts, for sure.

I don't hate leaks (script, photos, video etc.) the thing is, I'm starting to find the films a bit flat/boring/juvenile/bad fx so I want to heighten my experience as much as possible by keeping myself "surprised".

Compared to the clean lines of SW (the first one), the darkness and close cuts of Yates really show up badly. It's clever but not moving.

I'm really looking forward to A LOT of scenes but the Battle at Hogwarts tops my list. That sequence is going to be EPIC! wonder how they'll execute that.. intrigues me how Yates will top the final sequence of Order.

I'm quite looking forward to Godric's Hollow, and not just for Harry's fight with Nagini. When I first read that chapter, I had tears in my eyes because it reminded me so much of the first time I went to visit my granddad's grave on Christmas morning when I was sixteen - ten years after he'd died. I was very close with him; perhaps even closer than I am with my own dad, as much as it pains me to admit that. It's such a wonderful moment in the book and beautifully written. I really hope Yates does it justice! But (and no offence to JK here) I hope they don't incorporate the Polyjuice Potion idea when they film that scene. It has to be Harry. It just has to be.

I hope the climax and the aftermath is better than in the book. You could tell that Harry was going to win the last duel with Voldemort early on so I hope they adapt it in a cinematic and exciting way. Nevertheless, the series couldn't ended different. I loved DH and Rowling's work but the end wasn't as exciting as I wished. And when Voldemort was gone it went too fast before we got an epilogue I just liked a bit.

I hope Voldemort will have a huge role so we can get to know him really. What he fears, why he made the horcruxes and what his main goal is. I feel the HBP film failed to create a human of the evil character. I wish to see a more powerful Voldemort than in the book. A Voldemort who doesn't act like a fool again and again. I want to see the most dangerous, dark wizard of all time, although they have to stick canon as well :D

I think 'The Flaw in the Plan' and 'The Battle of Hogwarts' are most anticipated scene.

The battle of Hogwarts contains alot of stuff i'll be looking forward to and have been waiting for for years! Ron and Hermione of course, and they better include the 'Oi! We're in a war here!',a nd of course there's the sad parts too which I'll most likely be crying in(;

The Flaw in the Plan just makes me eager to see Voldemort dead. Hallelujah! :3

Also can't wait for the epilogue, with all the 'ickle kiddies etc.
Well, s'pose I can't talk, I'm pretty much a kid too. :P

I'm still hoping they reconsider during the editiorial process. Dobby's burial is the only split point that makes sense to me...

Btw, when do you guys and gals think we'll get our very first DH teaser trailer?

They started filming at the end of last January, didn't they? When a HP film comes out in November (and it wasen't delayed *cough* ;)), we usally got our first trailer in april or may of the year it was coming out didn't we? I remember the GOF teaser was released in early May. But since they have been filming for so long now, I would think it's possible we'd get a teaser for part one a little earlier...maybe Jan or Feb of 2010? Oh boy...I'm going to get deja-vu...I wonder which film in 2010 will have a teaser attacthed to it. :p

It's back to teaser hunting, my old friends. :lol: The cycle continues anew.

I wish they would reconsider too, but it sounds like the snatchers is where the split point will be. I guess it will definitely bring back the nonreaders ending on such an abrupt cliffhanger like that.

As for waiting for a teaser... I just can't bring myself to do that yet. It was excruciating enough waiting for hbp. I am still recovering from that wait!

The battle of Hogwarts contains alot of stuff i'll be looking forward to and have been waiting for for years! Ron and Hermione of course, and they better include the 'Oi! We're in a war here!'

I've read that the setting of the kiss is changed (they always change the kisses :grumble:) They will most likely kiss in the chamber of secrets. Hermione will help him to speak parseltongue (with a kiss?:p) so they can enter the chamber. Actually, I kinda like the idea:) In the book Ron speaking parseltongue came out of the blue and it felt too easy. The Ron/Hermione kiss in the book was funny, but a bit cliche imo. Secondly, it reminded me of Elisabeth and Will's "wedding" in POTC 3:lol:

The Ron/Hermione kiss in the book was funny, but a bit cliche imo. Secondly, it reminded me of Elisabeth and Will's "wedding" in POTC 3:lol:

Same here! :lol: Except I don't think that is where Jo got the idea cause Deathly Hallows was released just a few months after PotC 3 :p

So I may be completely imagining Yates talking about the split being at the Snatchers. Do we have some confirmation for this? If so, does he say it will be AT the snatchers or AROUND the snatchers becuase if he says around, it could possibly be Dobby's death/funeral that's the split.

Btw, when do you guys and gals think we'll get our very first DH teaser trailer?

They started filming at the end of last January, didn't they? .

"Pre-production began on January 26, 2009, and filming began on February 19, 2009 at Leavesden Studios, where the previous six films had been shot"

I would have thought they would complete filming first of both films before we get to see any teaser trailers.

Yates has said that the film will end just a little bit after the Snatchers chase and capture. So I tend to believe we'll see the Snatchers taking the trio to Malfoy Manor and we'll see Voldemort going to Numerngard and killing Grindelwald and then going to Hogwarts and finding the Elder Wand in Dumbledore's tomb. It may even end with Lucius,Bella,Draco,Narcissa,Womtail and all Death Eaters learning that Potter has been caught and approaching the Snatchers while Voldemort gets the Elder Wand and feels that Potter has been caught. THE END.
This is the only tning that will work really well IMO. BUT except for this rather good ending we need a proper climax. A powerful action scene right before that. I don't know if a 6-minute chase/fight scene in a forest will be enough,though. But we'll see.

Furthermore, do you remember when some guys who went to set said that they saw Hogsmeade village in snow?
Why do I think that we'll see Hogsmeade a little bit before Xenophilius Lovegood? Why is the Hogsmeade set snowy again? I mean...they go there in May. Anyway, we'll see...



And yeah they've started shooting on February 19,2009 and they will wrap in the final weeks of April,2010. I guess we'll take a teaser for DH pt.1 in April/May 2010. And definitely a teaser for DH Pt.2 in November along with the release of part one.

It was also stated that the split would not be after a death because the last three films have been after a death, but instead it would end at a cliffhanger moment.

I think they could possibly have the snatchers chasing them from the Lovegood's home be the climax at the end of the film. The trio learn the knowledge of what the hallows are and then are attacked by the death eaters and chased from the house. This leads to a fight/chase scene that ends in their capture. The conversation about the idea that they have two of the hallows and Voldemort is searching for the third could take place in the Lovegood's house before it is attacked.

Harry then would see Voldemort gain the elder wand as they are captured. This is, of course, all speculation on my part.

"Pre-production began on January 26, 2009, and filming began on February 19, 2009 at Leavesden Studios, where the previous six films had been shot"

I would have thought they would complete filming first of both films before we get to see any teaser trailers.

No, for a teaser especially it's not at all necessary for them to be completely done with filming. Teaser trailers are typically released a year or more in advance. However, with Potter they do seem to release them quite a bit later. I dug up the release dates for those I could find-

HBP- July 29th, 2008 (less than 4 months before original Nov. 21st release date/nearly 1 YEAR before actual July 17th release)

OotP- Nov. 20th, 2006 (approx. 8 months before)

GoF- May 7th, 2005 (approx. 6 months before)

PoA- Nov. 12th, 2003 (approx. 7 months before)

CoS- seems there was no teaser :hmm:

SS/PS- Feb. 29th, 2001 (8 1/2 months before)


And we all know HBP had unusual circumstances... :relax:

But disregarding that one we can see that they have released teaser trailers somewhere between 6 to 9 months before the films release.

So assuming this trend continues we should expect it in March of 2010 at the earliest and May of 2010 at the latest. However, as with HBP we should at least be getting some sort of DH sneak peek, preview, or whatever you want to call it...with the HBP DVD this December. :tu:

I've read that the setting of the kiss is changed (they always change the kisses :grumble:) They will most likely kiss in the chamber of secrets. Hermione will help him to speak parseltongue (with a kiss?:p) so they can enter the chamber. Actually, I kinda like the idea:) In the book Ron speaking parseltongue came out of the blue and it felt too easy. The Ron/Hermione kiss in the book was funny, but a bit cliche imo. Secondly, it reminded me of Elisabeth and Will's "wedding" in POTC 3:lol:

I saw POTC 3. How were the two kisses similar? I guess it's been awhile since I saw the movie and I read that DH chapter. I liked the ron and hermione kiss in DH. Wasn't it behind some painting during the battle after Ron talks about saving the houselves? Well, I figured they would have to change the impetus for the kiss since the houselves were dropped from the movies. I always hate it when they change things, but I guess the idea of using the parseltongue scenario is not bad.

Snitchseeker are reporting that the actress who played Alecto Carrow in HBP is returning
for DH:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/suzie-toase-reprise-alecto-carrow-role-deathly-hallows-68309/

I'm really interested in what Yates is going to do with the ending. That is after the Final Duel, I wonder whether he'll keep the ending like the book, or change it, with like a big celebration. Is there any word on this?

In my honest opinion, I am all for adding an extra scene or two in at the end before the epilogue, that is if it is done well, because if theres one thing that killed me with DH it was that there was no "Aftermath" so to speak.

:wave:

Just popping by that I noticed for the first time the DH list in new hands and came to congratulate them on their work! :D

I'll put in my two cents while I'm here too:

I don't think a teaser will be coming until at least the November DVD releases. It's probably not likely to come until March (or later) next year. Remember, the teaser is likely to promote both films, and part 2 is still just under 2 years away!

Regarding the split, I am still happy at it being around the Snatchers

Will Dobby Die at 10 minutes?
By 30 minutes they will be onto Gringotts, for sure.
The confrontation at Malfoy's Manor would have to be severely downplayed if it was less than 10 minutes! Part 2 would also have at least some re-introduction at the start too, not to confuse ordinary movie-goers.

And all the news I've read about the film makes it sound really good. Although I can say I can wait for it :lol:

Snitchseeker are reporting that the actress who played Alecto Carrow in HBP is returning
for DH:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/suzie-toase-reprise-alecto-carrow-role-deathly-hallows-68309/

I don't even remember her from the HBP movie. ;) And I saw it three times!

That's how much impact the Movie Carrows make. :lol:

Furthermore, do you remember when some guys who went to set said that they saw Hogsmeade village in snow?
Why do I think that we'll see Hogsmeade a little bit before Xenophilius Lovegood? Why is the Hogsmeade set snowy again? I mean...they go there in May. Anyway, we'll see...




video montages of dumbledore's army?
perhaps to break monotony of dh1...

:wave:

Just popping by that I noticed for the first time the DH list in new hands and came to congratulate them on their work! :D

Working on the list has made me realize how much we know about some scenes and then at the same time how little we know about the big important scenes. I am ready for a behind the scenes picture or featurette, just something. I realize we still have awhile to go.

I saw POTC 3. How were the two kisses similar?

Not exactly the kisses, but the circumstances around it :) Ron and Hermione kissed when they were in a war. Same with Will and Elisabeth, only that they got married. Now or never, you know ;)

I don't even remember her from the HBP movie. ;) And I saw it three times!

That's how much impact the Movie Carrows make. :lol:

I recall her being present during the scene atop the Astronomy Tower, but her role was non-speaking, I believe. I agree with you, though; the filmmakers will have to introduce her as an entirely new character in Deathly Hallows for her presence to have any impact.

Working on the list has made me realize how much we know about some scenes and then at the same time how little we know about the big important scenes. I am ready for a behind the scenes picture or featurette, just something. I realize we still have awhile to go.

Yeah, I should echo ArryGrotter and congratulate you guys for taking the reigns on that list! A list I have nothing to do with. :lol: It is quite strange to watch another list go through changes when I have nothing to do with it, I must say, having invested so much into HBP. :lol: It's cool to watch the next 'generation' of obsessive fans, so to speak. :p

On your point, yeah, I started what eventually became the HBP list in November 2007. At the time, all we had was vague information from interviews with Heyman and Yates, with filming updates few and far between. I think we even had less information than we do now, since DH has been filming for months and months already and they seem much more open with the DH filming. They were much more secretive with HBP for some reason.

Speaking from experience, things officially start to fire-up with the release of the DVD of the previous film. The HBP sneak peaks on the OOTP was the first real step in the big journey of waiting for that film.

Well, I just wanted to give my blessings and wish you guys luck with the list. :tu:

It still amazes me that a simple and crazy idea I had one day still continues in spirit on this forum. :lol: :)

I just have one question...when does the DH podcast start?! ;) :p

:wave:

Just popping by that I noticed for the first time the DH list in new hands and came to congratulate them on their work! :D


Yeah, I should echo ArryGrotter and congratulate you guys for taking the reigns on that list! A list I have nothing to do with. :lol: It is quite strange to watch another list go through changes when I have nothing to do with it, I must say, having invested so much into HBP. :lol: It's cool to watch the next 'generation' of obsessive fans, so to speak. :p

On your point, yeah, I started what eventually became the HBP list in November 2007. At the time, all we had was vague information from interviews with Heyman and Yates, with filming updates few and far between. I think we even had less information than we do now, since DH has been filming for months and months already and they seem much more open with the DH filming. They were much more secretive with HBP for some reason.

Speaking from experience, things officially start to fire-up with the release of the DVD of the previous film. The HBP sneak peaks on the OOTP was the first real step in the big journey of waiting for that film.

Well, I just wanted to give my blessings and wish you guys luck with the list. :tu:

It still amazes me that a simple and crazy idea I had one day still continues in spirit on this forum. :lol: :)

I just have one question...when does the DH podcast start?! ;) :p

Thanks for the support! :tu:

Anything we can discuss?

How will they do the climax?

Could anyone make a poll on where the split will be? Would be interesting to see what people vote on :D I hope they end number one with the trio being captured in the forest right after they are told about the Deathly Hallows. Then the camera pans into Harry's scar (might be invisible) and we/Harry can see Voldemort gaining the Elder Wand.

Anything we can discuss?

How will they do the climax?

Could anyone make a poll on where the split will be? Would be interesting to see what people vote on :D I hope they end number one with the trio being captured in the forest right after they are told about the Deathly Hallows. Then the camera pans into Harry's scar (might be invisible) and we/Harry can see Voldemort gaining the Elder Wand.

Well, there was a poll with an old version of this thread and Shell Cottage was the clear winner there, with Silver Doe coming in 2nd I believe. Although, I am a bit curious whether people's opinions have changed now that a tentative split point has actually been announced by Yates. Cause like our fav split point from that poll (Dobby's Death) seems a lot less likely now :( Snatchers was my 2nd choice though

Well, there was a poll with an old version of this thread and Shell Cottage was the clear winner there, with Silver Doe coming in 2nd I believe. Although, I am a bit curious whether people's opinions have changed now that a tentative split point has actually been announced by Yates. Cause like our fav split point from that poll (Dobby's Death) seems a lot less likely now :( Snatchers was my 2nd choice though

My initial thoughts were like most that Shell Cottage should be the end of Part One with Dobby’s death and Harry choosing Horcruxes over the Hallows.

But thinking about it, do I really want to be sad about Dobby leaving the Cinema, or would I rather want to be like: “Damn, I don’t want to wait six/seven months for the next one – I want to see what happens to them at Malfoy Manor, see Dobby come to the rescue and everything else that comes along with it right NOW!!”

So having time to digest what is seemingly the split now with them being captured by the Snatchers, it does make more logical sense as you get want to get more bang for your buck in Part 2, because lets face it, those 2 ½ - 3 hours have to be the best in the Franchise.

DH better be better than HBP! Who will write the score? I liked Hooper's score in OOTP and HBP but I'm glad we'll get a new composer now because I'm afraid Hooper will re-cycle all the themes.

DH better be better than HBP! Who will write the score? I liked Hooper's score in OOTP and HBP but I'm glad we'll get a new composer now because I'm afraid Hooper will re-cycle all the themes.

Actually, Hooper made new themes, but Yates decided to use the old themes instead, e.g. there is a track 'Wizard Wheezes' on the soundtrack, but 'Fireworks' plays in that scene...

I really liked Hooper's work. I found it the most catchiest compared to Williams and Doyle. I am sad to see him go.

If Williams does return, I hope he doesn't give a repetitive and inventive score like PS and CoS (Williams work there sounded to much like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc.). Williams score on PoA was promising, but it just wasn't the same as Hooper's. I hope that whoever comes back, Williams or not, that their score is inspired by Hooper's more catchy and (dare I say it?) 'modern' themes.

I hope that whoever comes back, Williams or not, that their score is inspired by Hooper's more catchy and (dare I say it?) 'modern' themes.

I really hope it's not. I don't think it's actually possible to be INSPIRED by Hooper's score.

I really hope it's not. I don't think it's actually possible to be INSPIRED by Hooper's score.

One to their own, but OotP's 'Darkness Takes Over', 'Ministry of Magic' and 'Professor Umbridge' as well HBP's 'Opening', 'Living Death' and 'Journey to the Cave' were more magical/mysterious, IMO of course, than 'Hedwig's Theme'/'Harry's Wonderous World'/etc.

My only wish, really, is not to have score similar to PS/CoS, that's all really...

One to their own, but OotP's 'Darkness Takes Over', 'Ministry of Magic' and 'Professor Umbridge' as well HBP's 'Opening', 'Living Death' and 'Journey to the Cave' were more magical/mysterious, IMO of course, than 'Hedwig's Theme'/'Harry's Wonderous World'/etc.

My only wish, really, is not to have score similar to PS/CoS, that's all really...

The scores for PS/CoS are entirely appropriate (and in the case of PS absolutely great) for a children fantasy movie. The first two movies were made in that style, so the music was composed acordingly.

I hope Williams returns for DH 2. It needs an epic score. It needs the HP-feeling the music gives us. When it comes to DH 1 the soundtrack needs to be natural, atmospheric and feel like a journey. Hooper made a lot of atmospheric music but now it's officially he won't return. My wishes go for Hans Zimmer coz he did POTC 3 which was kind of a journey :D It might be a good thing to get a new composer. It was indeed the director's fault that some of Hooper's new tracks were replaced by old ones in HBP, but it's boring to hear the same themes for three films when it isn't Williams but an unknown TV-composer. I am sure that Williams can create dark music as well. He is after all a very famous composer. POA has a different score than PS and COS. It proves that he can come up with something new, independent of his earlier works.

I'm really looking forward to Godric's Hollow, but not as much as the Battle of Hogwarts. I have really high expectations for that scene!

Not exactly the kisses, but the circumstances around it :) Ron and Hermione kissed when they were in a war. Same with Will and Elisabeth, only that they got married. Now or never, you know ;)

I see. Well, I guess it will be slightly different now it will be in the CoS.
Maybe it will be a bit quieter around them when they have their kiss than what was described in the book.

To decarus and 9th riddle, thank you for the DH list! I remember how hard arry, lc, and master worked on the HBP list. I am actually surprised that neither one was spearheading a DH list but considering how exhaustive the process must have been, especially with the wait, I can understand.

Looking forward to reading the updates!:tu:

Here lies Dobby, a free elf.

I hope they can pull that off with Dobby being absent for so long..

Here lies Dobby, a free elf.

I hope they can pull that off with Dobby being absent for so long..

Placed in the beginning of the second film? Pretty impossible to pull it off. Dobby will be suddenly thrown into the movie and will die in 5 minutes. Who the hell is going to care about him?

I care about Dobby!! I hope they treat his death with diginity and respect.

Originally Posted by Noldus
Not exactly the kisses, but the circumstances around it Ron and Hermione kissed when they were in a war. Same with Will and Elisabeth, only that they got married. Now or never, you know

Yeah! I agree with you! That would be how I imagined it too; right in the middle of war. I heard they confirmed that they do kiss in the middle of the war. It's not like they have some private scene like some people though they might. But I'm excited to see the H/G birthday kiss. I hope it's waaaay better than the kiss in HBP, it should be...

I care about Dobby!! I hope they treat his death with diginity and respect.

I care about Dobby too!! I hope they do his death justice. Even though he hasn't been in the films since CoS I think it will still be sad (at least to us HP fans). This movie will be good if it makes me cry a lot. I cried a lot while reading the books so the movies better be emotional! I'm reaaaally looking forward to The Forest Again scene! I loooove that chapter so much!

Dobby's death will have little effect in the film, in my opinion. Many audience members will barely recall a character that they have not seen since 2002, and those who do, based upon the reactions of the majority of the general public at the time of Chamber of Secrets' release, will remember him as an annoying CGI *******. It would be much more logical for the filmmakers to replace him with a character of which audiences have a better recollection and/or have more connection to.

I think the emotion resonance of the Malfoy Manor scene is that Hermione is being tortured and Ron's reaction, as well as Draco's reaction to seeing the trio. It is Harry's reaction to Dobby's death that is important. Dobby's death, for me, in and of itself never really made those scenes great.

I heard they confirmed that they do kiss in the middle of the war. It's not like they have some private scene like some people though they might. But I'm excited to see the H/G birthday kiss. I hope it's waaaay better than the kiss in HBP, it should be...

It is also confirmed that Harry will not be in the scene when Ron and Hermione kiss, so they may have a private kiss as some people thought. It is thought that they will kiss in the Chamber of Secrets, during the battle, but still in private. Of course, that is not confirmed, but only speculation.

Dobby's death will have little effect in the film, in my opinion. Many audience members will barely recall a character that they have not seen since 2002, and those who do, based upon the reactions of the majority of the general public at the time of Chamber of Secrets' release, will remember him as an annoying CGI *******. It would be much more logical for the filmmakers to replace him with a character of which audiences have a better recollection and/or have more connection to.

I thought the CGI of him in COS was impressive, especially when realizing it's 7 years ago. I don't want Neville to replace him once again :grumble: He can be re-introduced in DH 1, you know. Most people who go to see part 2 of a film will have number one in mind. Even though he has been absent in many films it can still be a sad scene.

But it's not logical to place such an emotional scene at the begining of a movie! There's no way to build up any emotion to that moment. It doesn't matter if he is introduced in the first movie (I'm sure he's not, btw). Even if the audience reminds him, a movie has to be satisfactory on its own.
It's the equivalent of having Gandalf die at the begining of the second movie. It doesn't work emotionally, even if the audience is familiar with the character.

The best thing would be to replace Dobby with Kreatcher (only one elf) or even with Neville, and to place that scene at the END of the first movie, IMO.

The best thing would be to replace Dobby with Kreatcher (only one elf) or even with Neville, and to place that scene at the END of the first movie, IMO.

Some of us think along those lines too. But they're not going to do anything bold. :(

It is also confirmed that Harry will not be in the scene when Ron and Hermione kiss, so they may have a private kiss as some people thought. It is thought that they will kiss in the Chamber of Secrets, during the battle, but still in private. Of course, that is not confirmed, but only speculation.

Really?? I didn't know that! Thanks for the info.

I thought the CGI of him in COS was impressive, especially when realizing it's 7 years ago. I don't want Neville to replace him once again :grumble: He can be re-introduced in DH 1, you know. Most people who go to see part 2 of a film will have number one in mind. Even though he has been absent in many films it can still be a sad scene.

I agree. Having Neville replace Dobby in GOF and OOTP were changes that never made any sense, IMO. Not to mention that really screws up the tiara being hidden in the Room of Requirement because the OOTP film established that the Room of Requirement was not a secret by having Hermione congratulate Neville on finding it and explaining how it worked - apparently having read about it in Hogwarts, A History. Now they're going to have to come up with an explanation for why Dumbledore would never have searched there - not to mention why Voldemort would even consider hiding one of his Horcruxes in a room that was known to others and explained in a book about the school. They can't use the explanation given in the book that most people did not know about the room because they screwed that up in OOTP.

Replacing Dobby with Neville in DH would be an even worse decision, IMO. Neville is significant to the final battle and gets his big moment there with killing Nagini. It would be beyond foolish to change that and kill Neville off at the beginning of part 2.

I do think they screwed up by not keeping Kreacher and Dobby in HBP - that would have been perfect for re-introducing Dobby and doing more to establish Kreacher. But they did at least acknowledge that it was a mistake to cut the house-elves from the previous movies so we can hope that they have something in mind to fix that mistake.

The emotional impact of Dobby's death stems from Harry's reaction and that's going to be the same regardless of where they place the scene, IMO. In a way, that circles back to the first film opening with the revelation that James and Lily Potter have been murdered and their son is being sent to live with his aunt and uncle. That was an emotional scene and having that as the opening didn't diminish it - I still get teary eyed right along with Hagrid.

I do think it would have been better to have that as the end of part 1 because it is the natural divide in the story, but I think they can make it work for the opening of part 2 as well.

I see that a lot of people are excited about the battle of Hogwarts. I am too, but I don't handle violence well, so I will probably only see three seconds of it before I hide behind my popcorn. I mostly want to see the Malfoy Manor scene, because I'm curoius as to how they will deal with Dobby.

I think that the hogwarts scene would be the best

Not that it's important or anything, but I would love it if they did the CGI of Dobby with the sock Harry gave him in Cos on.


And with the Battle - not that I like death or anything - but I really want to see Lupin and Tonks battle and be killed. I didn't like in the book how he just saw them laying there.

I am most looking forward to the battle at Hogwarts, I just can't envision that many people on the screen at the same time!

I can't wait to see Neville kill Nagini! Go Neville!

I am also looking forward to the end, where everyone is grown up and has kids of their own getting ready to board the train. Sappy, I know, but I am about the same age as Harry will be in that scene, with kids the same age, so it will be cool to see Harry "my age"!

I think that Dobby is one of the places that they have really dropped the ball. Unless the dedicate some precious movie time in DH1 to Dobby and re-introducing him to the audience, his death will lack emotion (ie Dumbledore's death) and will probably confuse the audience. I hope they think of a way to generate an emotional connection to Dobby without taking up too much time. We shall see I guess.

-JR

Dobby's death will have little effect in the film, in my opinion. Many audience members will barely recall a character that they have not seen since 2002, and those who do, based upon the reactions of the majority of the general public at the time of Chamber of Secrets' release, will remember him as an annoying CGI *******. It would be much more logical for the filmmakers to replace him with a character of which audiences have a better recollection and/or have more connection to.

I don't agree with that at all. Dobby and Kreacher are the ONLY two Elves we see in the entire films, Dobby is a very memorable character from the 2002 film. Saying audiences wouldn't remember Dobby from the second film is the same as saying the audience won't remember the basilisk fangs used for destroying the diary, which comes up in DH but is seen very little in CoS. Or, the audience won't remember the Grey Lady from any of the movies, to my knowledge she is in one of the deleted scenes, (Correct me if im wrong). How do you think the audience will remember or even know about that character in DH, we don't see her in any movies but she plays a role in the final films. Or even Petigrew, we see him for a period of a couple minutes in two films and we are expected to know what he part is in the movies. It shouldn't be that difficult unless you just havn't seen any of the past movies. It happens one of the downfalls of a series. Would you fully know what was going on in Return of the King if you havn't seen either of the first two films? You might to a degree, but not fully.

Just like the books the DH movies are a cumulation of everything we have seen in the past 6, this is called a arc in the story, ie gringotts, godrics hallow, RoR, Hog's Head, Hogwarts, forbidden forest, memories and on and on and on...therefore we see involvment in DH of almost every character (living and dead) and every location and many objects that we have previously seen. Why wouldn't Dobby be there then? He plays a much larger role in the movies than many other things we have seen, examples above.

I think that Dobby is one of the places that they have really dropped the ball. Unless the dedicate some precious movie time in DH1 to Dobby and re-introducing him to the audience, his death will lack emotion (ie Dumbledore's death) and will probably confuse the audience. I hope they think of a way to generate an emotional connection to Dobby without taking up too much time. We shall see I guess.

-JR

If they do re-introduce him then great if they don't then I don't see what the big deal is, they can't re-introduce every object/person/place into the movies before we see it in the story at the appropriate time. That would take forever and not worth the screen time.

As for lacking emotion, I don't see how it won't. We don't read very much about Dobby, more than we see him in the movies yes, but still not a ton. The crucial part about this scene with Dobby, is all explained in his sacrifice for rescuing the tortured Hermione and imprisioned Harry, Ron and others. If they just show what is written on Dobby's tombstone and have a 20 second mention or conversation of the segregation/oppression of house elf enslavement then this clears everything up. They don't need to shift story/plot around to re-introduce him though, that only makes things more difficult in an already difficult story.

There is already an emotional connection with Dobby, Harry free'd Dobby from his shackles of the very people he is rescuing the captured wizards from, the malfoys. Seems like a pretty clear connection to me.

Do you remember every secondary character from a movie 8 years ago? Because I don't.

And the problem is not that the audience is not going to remember him. The problem is that there won't be any emotional attatchement to the character, and such an important death (pivotal to Harry's journey) cannot be handled in the first act of the movie (seen Temple of Doom? Remember that friend of Indy who dies in the very first secuence? That's Dobby's death at the beginning of the second movie).

Do you remember every secondary character from a movie 8 years ago? Because I don't.

And the problem is not that the audience is not going to remember him. The problem is that there won't be any emotional attatchement to the character, and such an important death (pivotal to Harry's journey) cannot be handled in the first act of the movie (seen Temple of Doom? Remember that friend of Indy who dies in the very first secuence? That's Dobby's death at the beginning of the second movie).

Yes, it's unlikely you would remember a film you watched 8 years ago, but I assume that many like to re-watch these films. Those who have done this a couple of times will remember him, trust me. Regarding to the sadness it doesn't really matter whether he die in film 1 or 2. The book fans will still feel connected to him through the books and the non-readers will also feel sad if the "funeral" is done right. Having him in DH 1 and appear again in DH 2 to rescue Harry will work imo. Just imagine Dobby with his huge, caring eyes. "Dobby will save Harry Potter and his friends." And when they apparate to Shell Cottage Harry is happy and says "We did it!", and then realizing ...:upset:
My username "Noldus" is actually the Norwegian translation for Dobby. He is definitely one of my favourite characters.

I want DH 1 to end with a cliffhanger of the trio being captured right after they are told about the deathly Hallows and then a short scene/vision of Voldemort stealing the elder wand. By doing this the audience will believe that Voldemort is after the deathly hallows when they go to see number 2.
The good thing about ending number 1 with Dobby's death, though, is the feeling that it's two different installments. But then it isn't very much story left for DH 2. In addition, all the films since GOF has ended with the death of a major character and a typical Hollywood moment afterward (except from HBP). It would be refreshing to get something different.

Yes, it's unlikely you would remember a film you watched 8 years ago, but I assume that many like to re-watch these films. Those who have done this a couple of times will remember him, trust me. Regarding to the sadness it doesn't really matter whether he die in film 1 or 2. The book fans will still feel connected to him through the books and the non-readers will also feel sad if the "funeral" is done right. Having him in DH 1 and appear again in DH 2 to rescue Harry will work imo. Just imagine Dobby with his huge, caring eyes. "Dobby will save Harry Potter and his friends." And when they apparate to Shell Cottage Harry is happy and says "We did it!", and then realizing ...:upset:
My username "Noldus" is actually the Norwegian translation for Dobby. He is definitely one of my favourite characters.

I want DH 1 to end with a cliffhanger of the trio being captured right after they are told about the deathly Hallows and then a short scene/vision of Voldemort stealing the elder wand. By doing this the audience will believe that Voldemort is after the deathly hallows when they go to see number 2.
The good thing about ending number 1 with Dobby's death, though, is the feeling that it's two different installments. But then it isn't very much story left for DH 2. In addition, all the films since GOF has ended with the death of a major character and a typical Hollywood moment afterward (except from HBP). It would be refreshing to get something different.

A movie has to work on its own, you don't have to read the books to feel the sadness of a death. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Dobby from the books and I love his death scene. But that's the book. I just don't think that can be done as well in a film.
The major problem, IMO, is to have such an emotional and powerful scene (death of a very loveable character, Harry makes a big choice about his quest...) in the first act of a movie. It works much better as a resolution of the first part (while Voldemort gets the Elder Wand, Harry decides to go after the Horcruxes).

(Of course, it works much better as the ending of a second act, just before the final confrontation, as is in the book).

Yes, it's unlikely you would remember a film you watched 8 years ago, but I assume that many like to re-watch these films. Those who have done this a couple of times will remember him, trust me. Regarding to the sadness it doesn't really matter whether he die in film 1 or 2. The book fans will still feel connected to him through the books and the non-readers will also feel sad if the "funeral" is done right. Having him in DH 1 and appear again in DH 2 to rescue Harry will work imo. Just imagine Dobby with his huge, caring eyes. "Dobby will save Harry Potter and his friends." And when they apparate to Shell Cottage Harry is happy and says "We did it!", and then realizing ...:upset:
My username "Noldus" is actually the Norwegian translation for Dobby. He is definitely one of my favourite characters.

I agree. That ability to rent/own movies changes that concept considerably - particularly with a popular series like Harry Potter. We no longer live in an age where you could only watch a film during the time frame that it was available theatrically and that changes things a great deal. People aren't coming in to see a sequel after having only watched the previous movie once several years before - or a few times for those who liked a movie well enough to see it more than once in theaters. These days, people are going to see sequels with the previous film fresh in their minds because they either own it or rented it to watch before going to see the sequel. My parents have never read any of the books, but they are well versed on the movies because they buy the DVD's as soon as they are available and watch them frequently - particularly when the new one is being released. In fact, my mother was hesitant to go see HBP with the rest of us because she wasn't sure if she would have time to watch OOTP before we went - she had already watched the first four. My sister made sure to remind her to watch it on her day off so she would go with us. My best friend did the same thing with her family - they had a "Harry Potter movie marathon" the weekend before HBP was released. Not to mention that television adds to that by showing Harry Potter marathons prior to a new release as well.

People haven't forgotten who Dobby is because they've seen him every time they've pulled out their copy of COS to watch at home or rented it or watched it on TV. That makes the fact that the movie was released 8 years ago irrelevant, IMO. I think that change is reflected in the films as well. They don't waste time reintroducing all the secondary characters because they know it's not necessary to do so. The audiences know who Ron and Hermione are and that they're Harry's best friends. They know who Harry's classmates are and which ones he gets along with and which ones are "enemies" - i.e. Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle. They know who the teachers are. It's not necessary for them to have someone say "This is Professor McGonagall and she teaches transfiguration" or "This is Seamus and he's in Harry's class" for every new film because the audience already knows these things. The films operate under the assumption that the audience has seen the previous films and knows what's going on.

I do think it would have been better for them to have included Dobby in GOF, OOTP, and HBP - but not in terms of Dobby's character. I think the events in those films were necessary to build up Harry's affection for Dobby. COS does well enough to establish Dobby's devotion to Harry and explain why he has such great affection and admiration for Harry because it establishes that Harry is the one to helped him attain his freedom. But it doesn't do very much for establishing why Harry would feel any attachment or affection towards Dobby as all of Dobby's efforts to "save" Harry in COS backfired with Harry getting in trouble or injured in the process. So I do think it would have made more sense for them to include some of Dobby's successful interventions - giving Harry the gillyweed, telling him about the Room of Requirement - to build up Harry's affection for him.

I don't think it's a total loss though. They do have the established event that Harry did have sympathy for Dobby and helped him attain his freedom. Dobby's gratitude and devotion to Harry will make sense. I don't think it's impossible for them to establish that Harry has affection for Dobby as well - they just need to come up with a believable way to include Dobby in part 1 to establish that. The emotional impact from Dobby's death stems from Harry's reaction to it. And part of that reaction is simply the fact that Dobby sacrificed himself to save Harry.

As such, I'm not worried about the placement of the scene or the reaction to Dobby's character and whether people have forgotten him - I don't think that will be an issue at all. My concern would be whether or not Dan's performance will capture the emotion of that scene believably. Thus far, Dan has not impressed me very much with his performance in emotional scenes - though HBP was certainly an improvement.

I want DH 1 to end with a cliffhanger of the trio being captured right after they are told about the deathly Hallows and then a short scene/vision of Voldemort stealing the elder wand. By doing this the audience will believe that Voldemort is after the deathly hallows when they go to see number 2.
The good thing about ending number 1 with Dobby's death, though, is the feeling that it's two different installments. But then it isn't very much story left for DH 2. In addition, all the films since GOF has ended with the death of a major character and a typical Hollywood moment afterward (except from HBP). It would be refreshing to get something different.

My preference would be for part 1 to end with Dobby's burial, but the emotion of the scene was not the reason for that - I really don't feel it will matter in regards to the emotion of the scene if it takes place at the end of part 1 or the beginning of part 2. That's my preference because it is the more natural divide in the story with Harry coming full circle and defeating his own demons - his growing doubts about Dumbledore, his obsession with the hallows, etc... Dobby's burial is where Harry gets his head back on straight and refocuses on what is important - finding and destroying the Horcruxes.

However, I do think they can make the cliffhanger ending work as well - particularly with part 2 being released a few months later rather than two years. A cliffhanger ending with the trio being captured by the snatchers as always my second choice.

A movie has to work on its own, you don't have to read the books to feel the sadness of a death. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Dobby from the books and I love his death scene. But that's the book. I just don't think that can be done as well in a film.
The major problem, IMO, is to have such an emotional and powerful scene (death of a very loveable character, Harry makes a big choice about his quest...) in the first act of a movie. It works much better as a resolution of the first part (while Voldemort gets the Elder Wand, Harry decides to go after the Horcruxes).

(Of course, it works much better as the ending of a second act, just before the final confrontation, as is in the book).

So you don't think his death will work on the screen? I think it will, either if the scene is placed in DH 1 or DH 2. If the acting, the screenplay, the music and the direction is done right I bet it will be a memorable scene.

I think it will work with such an emotional scene in the beginning of the film. Harry deciding to go after the horcruxes is related to the the last part of the story. By ending it with Voldemort stealing the elder wand it will be more exciting when you go to see the continuation. It will be like "what will Harry choose? You'll get the answer next summer."
Secondly, a film often opens with an exciting scene to keep up the interest of an average viewer. It establishes what to expect the next two hours of the film; fighting, loss of friends and emotional moments. Who loved the opening of HBP? Do you think a dull scene in a office would give you the same impact? If they decided to end it at Shell Cottage, the opening scene would be a forgettable talking scene whereas a scene at Malfoy Manor would be moving and powerful.




My preference would be for part 1 to end with Dobby's burial, but the emotion of the scene was not the reason for that - I really don't feel it will matter in regards to the emotion of the scene if it takes place at the end of part 1 or the beginning of part 2. That's my preference because it is the more natural divide in the story with Harry coming full circle and defeating his own demons - his growing doubts about Dumbledore, his obsession with the hallows, etc... Dobby's burial is where Harry gets his head back on straight and refocuses on what is important - finding and destroying the Horcruxes.

However, I do think they can make the cliffhanger ending work as well - particularly with part 2 being released a few months later rather than two years. A cliffhanger ending with the trio being captured by the snatchers as always my second choice.

Harry defeating his own demons, his growing doubts about Dumbledore etc. can be placed earlier in the story. I believe they will do the themes of the films justice anyway. His obsessions with the hallows, however, should not stop until the beginning of DH 2 imo. Dobby's death will make him realize that in order to make the world safe it doesn't help to find the hallows, but to track down the horcruxes. The solution on this belongs to DH 2 imo.

Except from this I fully agree about everything else you said :) My second choice for the split is of course at Shell Cottage. I was not very fond of the cliffhanger ending when I heard about it the first time, but now I think it can be really awesome. At that time I wanted it to end when Ron returned. Now I realize that it's too early in the plot. Shell Cottage is, on the other hand, perhaps a little bit late? The trio being kidanpped seems to be a perfect splitting point. Time will show whether it works on the screen...

So you don't think his death will work on the screen? I think it will, either if the scene is placed in DH 1 or DH 2. If the acting, the screenplay, the music and the direction is done right I bet it will be a memorable scene.

I think it will work with such an emotional scene in the beginning of the film. Harry deciding to go after the horcruxes is related to the the last part of the story. By ending it with Voldemort stealing the elder wand it will be more exciting when you go to see the continuation. It will be like "what will Harry choose? You'll get the answer next summer."
Secondly, a film often opens with an exciting scene to keep up the interest of an average viewer. It establishes what to expect the next two hours of the film; fighting, loss of friends and emotional moments. Who loved the opening of HBP? Do you think a dull scene in a office would give you the same impact? If they decided to end it at Shell Cottage, the opening scene would be a forgettable talking scene whereas a scene at Malfoy Manor would be moving and powerful.


My ideal ending for the first film would be a montague with Harry making the choice while he buries Dobby, while Voldemort gets the Elder Wand.
At the beginning of the second movie there is no build up to Harry's decission. Of course, the decission leads to the final act of the book (that is why the split is a bad decission), but I think it's the best alternative.

Yes, a film often opens with an exciting scene (they could open with Gringotts for example) but not with a emotional/traumatic scene for the main character. It's like beginning The Empire Strikes Back with Han being frozen.

My ideal opening for the second movie would actually be the flashback of Godric's Hollow to establish the blood protection issue. I think it's important to have that flashback in the second movie. (similar to Gollum finding the Ring in the third movie).

They can't open with Gringott because it would seem out of place without any build-up. Ending DH 2 with the preparation to this wouldn't work imo. If they end it at Shell Cottage it means that the first 5-10 minutes of DH 2 will be spent on dull conversations rather than powerful and nasty torture :evil: To be honest, I've not watched "The Empire Strikes Back" (the only Star Wars film I haven't watched) or any other films that open with such a powerful scene. I was not very fond of the cliffhanger in POTC 2 (though, now when I know the ending I've changed my mind) so I am wondering why I am supporting the cliffhanger for DH :lol: It might be because I know how it ends. If I'd been a non-reader I imagine I would be angry...

You might disagree, but imo the horcrux/hallows-theme doesn't need much of a build-up before Harry make his decision in the beginning of DH 2. When seeing part 2 most people will remember how "obsessed" Harry was of the hallows in part 1.

I agree that it is important to have many flashbacks in both films.

As such, I'm not worried about the placement of the scene or the reaction to Dobby's character and whether people have forgotten him - I don't think that will be an issue at all. My concern would be whether or not Dan's performance will capture the emotion of that scene believably. Thus far, Dan has not impressed me very much with his performance in emotional scenes - though HBP was certainly an improvement.

I definitely agree that Dan's performance in this scene is what is important and he has not impressed me either. He really has a hard time crying.

Yes, a film often opens with an exciting scene (they could open with Gringotts for example) but not with a emotional/traumatic scene for the main character. It's like beginning The Empire Strikes Back with Han being frozen.

Return of the Jedi began with Han being frozen and Empire Strikes Back ended with a cliffhanger and is generally considered the best of all the Star Wars films. I really think it could work. It is never going to be Star Wars, but books made into films have something to live up to.

They can't open with Gringott because it would seem out of place without any build-up. Ending DH 2 with the preparation to this wouldn't work imo. If they end it at Shell Cottage it means that the first 5-10 minutes of DH 2 will be spent on dull conversations rather than powerful and nasty torture :evil: To be honest, I've not watched "The Empire Strikes Back" (the only Star Wars film I haven't watched) or any other films that open with such a powerful scene. I was not very fond of the cliffhanger in POTC 2 (though, now when I know the ending I've changed my mind) so I am wondering why I am supporting the cliffhanger for DH :lol: It might be because I know how it ends. If I'd been a non-reader I imagine I would be angry...

You might disagree, but imo the horcrux/hallows-theme doesn't need much of a build-up before Harry make his decision in the beginning of DH 2. When seeing part 2 most people will remember how "obsessed" Harry was of the hallows in part 1.

I agree that it is important to have many flashbacks in both films.

I think they need to be careful with the flashbacks - that can be tricky and too many could be very confusing.

With what we've heard so far, it sounds as though the split will be when the trio is captured by the snatchers so it seems most likely that part 2 will open with the trio being taken to Malfoy Manor. That could be interesting because part 1 should begin at Malfoy Manor as well with The Dark Lord Ascending. Visually, the two openings could mirror each other - part 1 beginning with Snape and Yaxley approaching with Malfoy Manor looming in the distance and part 2 opening with the snatchers approaching with their captives with Malfoy Manor looming in the distance.

Beginning part 2 with Malfoy Manor also gives them an opportunity to recap part 1 with Dean and/or Luna asking them how they got captured - which would be a good place for a flashback with a voice over of Harry telling them what happened. I think it would make the most sense to have Dean ask them as they're approaching Malfoy Manor - before they are separated and Hermione is being tortured.

I definitely agree that Dan's performance in this scene is what is important and he has not impressed me either. He really has a hard time crying.



Return of the Jedi began with Han being frozen and Empire Strikes Back ended with a cliffhanger and is generally considered the best of all the Star Wars films. I really think it could work. It is never going to be Star Wars, but books made into films have something to live up to.

Agreed.

Return of the Jedi began with Han being frozen and Empire Strikes Back ended with a cliffhanger and is generally considered the best of all the Star Wars films. I really think it could work. It is never going to be Star Wars, but books made into films have something to live up to.

Return of the Jedi did not begin with Han sacrifying and "dying" (being frozen). It began with the rescue sequence, that did not involve any emotional scene at all.

Empire Strikes Back didn't end with a literal cliffhanger. The ending was similar to the ending of Half-Blood Prince actually. The story-arcs were completed, the characters had grown up, their fates were uncertain. Just watch the final scene, with that sweeping music. That's NOT cliffhanger.

Well, Dobby's death is not what Han's death would have been and in a way DH2 will begin with a rescue as well of the main charaters. There is just a death of a side character along with it, but Dobby was never a main character even in the book.

I disagree that the end of ESB wasn't a literal cliffhanger. There was a moment of safety for Luke and Leia which there will not be for the trio in DH1, but Han the third main character's fate was unknown. It has been awhile since i watched Star Wars. If we continue this conversation, i will be watching them all weekend.

I disagree with the idea that Dobby's death is not that important.... The way it's written in the book it IS important: is the end of the second act, an act of sacrifice for the main character. Harry finally makes his choice because of Dobby's death. Read DH Chapter 24: it's an incredibly emotional chapter. Literally (yes, watch Star Wars this weekend :)), is Obi-Wan sacrifying himself at the end of the second act of Episode IV or Gandalf sacrifying himself at the end of the second act of Fellowship of the Ring. Think about placing those deaths at the begining of a movie.

Star Wars movies (or the Indy movies) are actually a good example of how to begin a movie: they usually begin in the middle of an action sequence or a mission of some kind, but in a very light and exiting fashion, very much like the Gringotts sequence. Malfoy Mannor is, I think, too dramatic to begin a movie, but it is possible. Dobby's death is what makes it "impossible".

On a quick note, my suggestions are not based on how the general audience will feel about the movie,or if they will come back for the last movie. I don't care about that. I think of a movie very much like a symphony, a piece of art with a dramatic structure that works on its own, and in this case, has a specific place in a grand saga. The literal cliffhager doesn't make a good movie.

I disagree with the idea that Dobby's death is not that important.... The way it's written in the book it IS important: is the end of the second act, an act of sacrifice for the main character. Harry finally makes his choice because of Dobby's death. Read DH Chapter 24: it's an incredibly emotional chapter. Literally (yes, watch Star Wars this weekend :)), is Obi-Wan sacrifying himself at the end of the second act of Episode IV or Gandalf sacrifying himself at the end of the second act of Fellowship of the Ring. Think about placing those deaths at the begining of a movie.

Star Wars movies (or the Indy movies) are actually a good example of how to begin a movie: they usually begin in the middle of an action sequence or a mission of some kind, but in a very light and exiting fashion, very much like the Gringotts sequence. Malfoy Mannor is, I think, too dramatic to begin a movie, but it is possible. Dobby's death is what makes it "impossible".

On a quick note, my suggestions are not based on how the general audience will feel about the movie,or if they will come back for the last movie. I don't care about that. I think of a movie very much like a symphony, a piece of art with a dramatic structure that works on its own, and in this case, has a specific place in a grand saga. The literal cliffhager doesn't make a good movie.

It's wrong to begin such a dark film as DH 2 with a light action scene imo. Anyhow, the Gringott trip needs a lot of preparation. How can they make a satisfying and memorable opening scene of that?

Dobby is just a minor character and his death will give the same impact whether it is placed in the beginning or in the end of a film. You can't really compare him to major characters from other films. It's correct that Harry made some choices after Dobby's death. These choices belong to DH 2 imo, especially since Dumbledore explains to Harry near the end that he feared he would choose the hallows. The films will be named Deathly Hallows 1 and 2. Why give part 2 that name if it isn't a central part of the story? Additionally, 2/3 of the book is told at Shell Cottage. The only thing that remains is the trip to Gringott, the Hogwarts stuff and lots of battles.

I want two films that work on their own as well. But since both of them are based on one book you can't expect them to be as independent as the previous ones. By shooting them differently and making sure both of them have one specifically main theme they can still be considered as art. You don't need to follow the Hollywood model to make good films. Perhaps the cliffhanger will be as artistic as the traditional ending? I think it sounds original and refreshing, though I understand that you are sceptical.

I'm sorry to be so sceptical, but HBP was a huge disapointment for me. I liked what Yates did in Order (he did get the main theme right), and I really really though that HBP would be better. I was very disapointed to see that, although there were some great moments,the movie as a whole was completely misguided (and terribly paced). That's why I'm not confident about Yates anymore.

I think to begin the second film in Malfoy Mannor will be complicated. There is a lot going on in that scene, how are they going to explain everything? You say that the Gringotts stuff is too light to open the film, but it HAS to be in the film anyway. In my opinion, it works better as the first act, similar to Revenge of the Sith, a dark and emotional tragedy, which began with an exciting and fun adventure. (It's not necesary to begin in the middle of the action; i'd prefer to begin with the 1981 Halloween night flashback in Godric's Hollow and then have a short preparation for Gringotts).

Dobby might be a minor character, but the way it was written, his death had a huge emotional impact.(read chapter 24) Actually, it's the most dramatic death of the whole book, the one that has most impact on Harry. (He "forgets" about Fred or Lupin dying almost inmediately), and equivalent to Dumbledore's or Sirius' deaths.

The choice that Harry makes affect the last act of the book of course(the second movie), but the choice is a result of everything that happened BEFORE that, therefore, it should happen at the end of the first movie.

The second movie will STILL be about Hallows, but in a different way. Of course, the Elder Wand is really important to the plot, but in terms of the story and themes, the Hallows are very simbolic: Harry conquers Death while Voldemort fears it. That's DH about.

I'm sorry to be so sceptical, but HBP was a huge disapointment for me. I liked what Yates did in Order (he did get the main theme right), and I really really though that HBP would be better. I was very disapointed to see that, although there were some great moments,the movie as a whole was completely misguided (and terribly paced). That's why I'm not confident about Yates anymore.


Feel free to be sceptical!
Actually, I agree that OOTP is a better film than HBP. I've seen it thousands of times and I think the screenplay is perfect. They couldn't do a better job cramming 800 pages into 2 hours. The fast editing, which people seem to hate, served a purpose and fit into the content imo. OOTP had a clear structure in the story which I feel HBP lacked. Don't get me wrong. HBP was fun and entertaining, but overall it was a bit disappointing. I don't think DH 1 and 2 will have as unclear focus as HBP. I believe that David Yates can satisfy us with the end. David Yates enjoy to make each film different. With OOTP he made a dark, political drama and with HBP he made a romantic comedy with some darkness. With DH 1 he will use lots of hand-held cameras to make a natural action film. With DH 2 he will hopefully go for an epic film. The ending needs to be the best we have seen ever.


I think to begin the second film in Malfoy Mannor will be complicated. There is a lot going on in that scene, how are they going to explain everything? You say that the Gringotts stuff is too light to open the film, but it HAS to be in the film anyway. In my opinion, it works better as the first act, similar to Revenge of the Sith, a dark and emotional tragedy, which began with an exciting and fun adventure. (It's not necesary to begin in the middle of the action; i'd prefer to begin with the 1981 Halloween night flashback in Godric's Hollow and then have a short preparation for Gringotts).

Dobby might be a minor character, but the way it was written, his death had a huge emotional impact.(read chapter 24) Actually, it's the most dramatic death of the whole book, the one that has most impact on Harry. (He "forgets" about Fred or Lupin dying almost inmediately), and equivalent to Dumbledore's or Sirius' deaths.


The Gringotts scene isn't light and happy (you said it was :p), though compared to the rest of the film I assume it is :lol:
I can't see why it is so important to see this flashback once again, at least not in the first scene. Harry and Voldemort see all of it when Harry escapes from Godric' Hallows. I want a real event for the opening, not any flashback of what has happened.

I don't think Harry forgot Tonks and Lupin. It was so much going on and I'm sure he was thinking about them. Dobby's death is important, but as I've already said, it doesn't matter if he die in DH 1 or 2. Not to me, anyway. I bet the film can capture the sadness from the book.

I like the different approach he's taking with each DH films. The contrast between both "parts" can be seen in the book as well. I initially liked the idea of a teenage-comedy approach to HBP, and I enjoy some of that stuff in the movie... But I have to admit that it takes too much time, drags the film and as a result the main plots are completely tossed away.
That's why I'm OK with the split (though, it IS a bad decission, however you slice it), but I feel that the cliffhanger ending will kill the first part. What the heck will be the climax: the capture of the trio?? (with some Burrow-attack-type chase I'm afraid) And what is the movie about?? NOTHING gets resolved, and for the general audience it will feel like yet ANOTHER Harry potter film in which "nothing" happens.

I think they need to be careful with the flashbacks - that can be tricky and too many could be very confusing.


Perhaps you're right. Nonetheless, If they serve a purpose to the story I don't see a problem with flashbacks. It's smart to include flashbacks of Dumbledore's past, the story of the three brothers and the deathly hallows (if they have the rights to shoot this) and of course Snape's memory.

I like the different approach he's taking with each DH films. The contrast between both "parts" can be seen in the book as well. I initially liked the idea of a teenage-comedy approach to HBP, and I enjoy some of that stuff in the movie... But I have to admit that it takes too much time, drags the film and as a result the main plots are completely tossed away.


Agree!

Flashbacks will definately be a problem in DH, and will have to be carefully selected. But the flashback of Lilly's sacrifice and Voldemort's attack (mirroring the final confrontation in the forest) is essencial in the second film, to establish the Harrycrux and the blood protection issue. So, surely, they won't include that :(

That's why I'm OK with the split (though, it IS a bad decission, however you slice it), but I feel that the cliffhanger ending will kill the first part. What the heck will be the climax: the capture of the trio?? (with some Burrow-attack-type chase I'm afraid) And what is the movie about?? NOTHING gets resolved, and for the general audience it will feel like yet ANOTHER Harry potter film in which "nothing" happens.

The climax will be fighting at Lovegood's house and a chasing scene into the forest, not into a field :lol: To me that sounds better than the climax of HBP, though I assume it won't be a huge action scene. It doesn't need to be either. Voldemort stealing the elder wand could be the last scene to calm down a little bit before the credits.

I think the audience missed action in HBP. A lot will happen in DH 1, you just have to wait for the next one to get the answers :p When a book is divided into two films the audience should be aware of that fact. If the non-readers are angry because of the lack of answers they will definitely come back. It proves they want to know the end. You don't get so much more answered by ending it at Shell Cottage. In DH 1 we will learn about the Deathly Hallows and more about the horcruxes. It should feel like a journey.

Flashbacks will definately be a problem in DH, and will have to be carefully selected. But the flashback of Lilly's sacrifice and Voldemort's attack (mirroring the final confrontation in the forest) is essencial in the second film, to establish the Harrycrux and the blood protection issue. So, surely, they won't include that :(

I think they will. It's important because Snape told Voldemort to not touch Lilly. All I'm asking for is not to include it in the beginning of the film.



Beginning part 2 with Malfoy Manor also gives them an opportunity to recap part 1 with Dean and/or Luna asking them how they got captured - which would be a good place for a flashback with a voice over of Harry telling them what happened. I think it would make the most sense to have Dean ask them as they're approaching Malfoy Manor - before they are separated and Hermione is being tortured.



It would be ingenius, though it would be more effective to begin with the torture. We pan into the WB logo as we hear someone screaming. We pan into Malfoy Manor and the screaming becomes louder. It will perhaps be a bit confusing if Bellatrix tortures Hermione so early. Therefore, Bellatrix torturing a random person in the beginning will perhaps work better. Then it cuts to those below in the dungeon. The torture of Hermione comes a bit later after a bit talking and flashbacks.

It would be ingenius, though it would be more effective to begin with the torture. We pan into the WB logo as we hear someone screaming. We pan into Malfoy Manor and the screaming becomes louder. It will perhaps be a bit confusing if Bellatrix tortures Hermione so early. Therefore, Bellatrix torturing a random person in the beginning will perhaps work better. Then it cuts to those below in the dungeon. The torture of Hermione comes a bit later after a bit talking and flashbacks.

I'd like to see that. It would be very exciting, dramatic, and will definetly capture the audiences' attention. I just hope that Emma Watson (or that random actor that you mentioned) will be able to pull off being in excruciating pain, otherwise the whole movie will just be a joke.

What do you guys think?

A full trailer for DH1 with Toy Story 3 in June 2010?

The climax will be fighting at Lovegood's house and a chasing scene into the forest, not into a field :lol: To me that sounds better than the climax of HBP, though I assume it won't be a huge action scene. It doesn't need to be either. Voldemort stealing the elder wand could be the last scene to calm down a little bit before the credits.

I think the escape from Lovegood's house is going to be a separate scene - it really should be because there are things that happen in between the two events. The order of events is something they can't mess with too much for DH - many of these things are set up to lead into the next event.

From what Yates said, it sounds like the capture will happen while they are camping - perhaps having left the safety of the tend to find wood or food - and they run into the snatchers and are trying to get away from them. That might even be one of those moments where they go to one of the villages to search for a Horcrux - it was noted in the book that they had a near miss with the snatchers at one of those.

I don't think it's going to be a huge action scene either. More of a chase scene.

I think they will. It's important because Snape told Voldemort to not touch Lilly. All I'm asking for is not to include it in the beginning of the film.

I agree. The flashback of what happened at Godric's Hollow is important and Jo has that set up very well for it to work on film with Harry being unconscious. But that should be in part 1 - Godric's Hollow with them narrowly escaping Voldemort occurs while Ron is gone at Christmas and that flashback won't work anywhere else, IMO. That leads into the Silver Doe and Ron returning - which should also be in part 1.

It would be ingenius, though it would be more effective to begin with the torture. We pan into the WB logo as we hear someone screaming. We pan into Malfoy Manor and the screaming becomes louder. It will perhaps be a bit confusing if Bellatrix tortures Hermione so early. Therefore, Bellatrix torturing a random person in the beginning will perhaps work better. Then it cuts to those below in the dungeon. The torture of Hermione comes a bit later after a bit talking and flashbacks.

I'd have to disagree about beginning with the torture because that would be splitting in the middle of a scene. I don't mind a cliffhanger ending - I rather enjoy them myself - but it would not work very well for them to split it in the middle of a scene. That scene in particular is significant because we need to see Bellatrix freaking out when she sees the sword - that's why she decides to torture Hermione to find out if they had been in her Gringotts vault and that's what makes Harry realize there is a Horcrux there. It makes more sense for them to end part 1 at the capture - either just before or immediately after. Part 2 should pick up with them being taken to Malfoy Manor.

The more I think about it, the more I think they could very well do something similar to the end of ESB and the beginning of RotJ. Part 1 ending with the capture - the fate of the trio unknown - is very similar to the end of ESB with Han being captured and his fate unknown. Part 2 opening with the scene at Malfoy Manor is very similar to the opening of RotJ with the attempt to rescue Han. Though Lucas avoided killing anyone off in that rescue - except for bad guys anyway.

It would also mirror the opening for part 1 as I mentioned before. Not would that present the opportunity visually with Malfoy Manor looming in the distance as they approach, but there is also the scene itself. In part 1 we have he meeting of the Death Eaters with questions and information being given, the Malfoys being humiliated and mocked, Wormtail being send to check on the prisoner in the dungeon, Charity Burbage being murdered. In part 2 we would have a gathering of Death Eaters/snatchers, the Malfoys being mocked/humiliated, Harry and Ron sent to the dungeon while Hermione is tortured and interrogated for information, Wormtail being send to the dungeon to check on the prisoners, a big escape with Dobby showing up to rescue them and being killed in the process. Both scenes serve well as a recap to previous events as well as providing information/clues towards what happens next.

I just cannot see any parallels between ESB and RotJ, and the various ideas we kick around over the handling of the DH split.

ESB ends with a climactic fight and a shocking piece of information which even the youngest fan knew would be resolved in the next film (people in cinemas actually gasped when Vader said what he said). How this new, suddenly revealed relationship would develop and be resolved was going to be the A plot of the next film. It couldn't be otherwise, given the dramatic strength of the antagonist (Vader was an iconic villain from the first second of his appearance in SW) and Luke now stepping up as a more important protagonist than either Han or Leia (as Vader's son; the pupil of both Obi-Wan and Yoda, and as a trainee Jedi).

Han and Leia sink into secondary characters in RotJ and their plot-line is a tired reworking of the "let's blow up the Death Star!" from SW. Definitely the B plot.

By contrast, the only revelatory moment in DH comes after Dobby's death when Harry determines to go after horcruxes not hallows. Which is obviously too late for the split, as only the assault on Gringotts and the return to Hogwarts remain to be done.

In any case, the decision has been made, so no use to go over old ground, but the Snatchers' episode has no dramatic purpose other than as a means of getting Harry & Co to Malfoy Manor. It's purely mechanical.

I'd have to disagree about beginning with the torture because that would be splitting in the middle of a scene. I don't mind a cliffhanger ending - I rather enjoy them myself - but it would not work very well for them to split it in the middle of a scene. That scene in particular is significant because we need to see Bellatrix freaking out when she sees the sword - that's why she decides to torture Hermione to find out if they had been in her Gringotts vault and that's what makes Harry realize there is a Horcrux there. It makes more sense for them to end part 1 at the capture - either just before or immediately after. Part 2 should pick up with them being taken to Malfoy Manor.


That's a good point, but an exciting scene straight into a situation will have much more impact on the audience imo. Perhaps the opening scene can be of Voldemort doing something? Then it cuts to the trio being transported to Malfoy Manor. I don't know.

I need to read this book again.. I've read the first 6 books, more than i can count, but the sevent book... Pathetically probably only once all the way through... But the Princes tale.. The chapter... at least 20. :P

I'm a bit pathetic.

~spook~

I just cannot see any parallels between ESB and RotJ, and the various ideas we kick around over the handling of the DH split.

ESB ends with a climactic fight and a shocking piece of information which even the youngest fan knew would be resolved in the next film (people in cinemas actually gasped when Vader said what he said). How this new, suddenly revealed relationship would develop and be resolved was going to be the A plot of the next film. It couldn't be otherwise, given the dramatic strength of the antagonist (Vader was an iconic villain from the first second of his appearance in SW) and Luke now stepping up as a more important protagonist than either Han or Leia (as Vader's son; the pupil of both Obi-Wan and Yoda, and as a trainee Jedi).

Han and Leia sink into secondary characters in RotJ and their plot-line is a tired reworking of the "let's blow up the Death Star!" from SW. Definitely the B plot.

By contrast, the only revelatory moment in DH comes after Dobby's death when Harry determines to go after horcruxes not hallows. Which is obviously too late for the split, as only the assault on Gringotts and the return to Hogwarts remain to be done.

In any case, the decision has been made, so no use to go over old ground, but the Snatchers' episode has no dramatic purpose other than as a means of getting Harry & Co to Malfoy Manor. It's purely mechanical.


I mostly agree with you. The split IS a bad idea. It creates a lot of problems, things that has to be established twice. But since they ARE making the split, I say the best split point would be after Dobby's death, which allows some issues to wrap up and end with a powerful scene.

I need to read this book again.. I've read the first 6 books, more than i can count, but the sevent book... Pathetically probably only once all the way through... But the Princes tale.. The chapter... at least 20. :P

I'm a bit pathetic.

~spook~

I've only read the whole book twice. I've read some chapters a few more times, i.e. the Prince's tale and the final chapters. Well, I'm not the one who feel the need to re-read books hundreds of times. I'll defintely re-read DH again until the release of DH in order to compare them. This post seem to be a bit off-topic. Thus, I add a question related to the films: How much of the Prince' tale do you think they are going to include in the film? I mean, according to Yates memories in films are tricky things. I am sure he is going to simplify it to make it work cinematically.

From what Yates said, it sounds like the capture will happen while they are camping - perhaps having left the safety of the tent to find wood or food - and they run into the snatchers and are trying to get away from them. That might even be one of those moments where they go to one of the villages to search for a Horcrux - it was noted in the book that they had a near miss with the snatchers at one of those.
I actually think it is possible that this scene will all be one. They enter the Lovegood's house and learn what the Hallows are then Luna's father betrays them to the snatchers/death eaters. As he is out of the room the trio discuss the hallows and the possibility that they have two of the three and that Voldemort is searching for the third.

The death eaters attack and the trio are chased from the house through the woods and eventually captured. They could have Harry see into Voldemort's mind during these events and see him gain the elder wand as the film ends. This is, of course, just speculation on my part, but the only thing that would be moved then would be the information they hear on potterwatch none of which is important to the plot and then they would leave out that Voldemort's name is a trigger that disables their defenses.

The only suggestion that it may be this way is from [HP4U] (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/harry-ron-and-hermione-run-for-their.html#links) where they discuss filming scenes and i quote: 'Scenes 89, 91, 98, 100 featuring Summer scenes and Ron constantly scanning his radio for updates! They hear news of Snape while Harry checks the Marauders Map'.

This suggests that they are scanning the radio throughout the camping trips and do not listen only the one time after the Lovegood scene and right before they are captured, but this news was not confirmed though usually HP4U is accurate.

PS. Also to quote the All-inclusive list:

Fan reports (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/6/25/location-filming-underway-in-swinley-forest-for-snatcher-scene-in-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows) from set on location at Swinley Forest near Bracknell, Berkshire where they mention that: Filming was well underway in Swinley Forest, Berkshire with scenes of up to 20 death eaters hunting the gang through the various forest locations, sending curses flying everywhere.

Using five specially prepared areas, Harry, Ron and Hermione were running through the trees at full speed in their attempt to get away once again following their escape from the trap at Luna's house, set by Xenophilius.

Another report (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/deathly-hallows-swinley-forest-june_26.html#links) on location at Swinley Forest near Bracknell, Berkshire: Regulars on location were Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint and Emma Watson and in addition there were around 20 Death Eaters, including the very scary Fenrir Greyback!! Plus the Snatchers, (two of which are played by Chase Armitage and Adam Brashaw) whom are well known already in the UK as ‘urban acrobatics’ (or experts in ‘free running’), and also trained in various forms of Martial Arts. The scenes being shot here will be featured in both parts 1 & 2 of The Deathly Hallows. Night scenes and day action were shot by both film units; these include the capture of Harry, Ron and Hermione by the Snatchers (who then deliver them to Malfoy Manor), several scenes involving the Death Eaters

Report repeat that two Potter fans were able to visit (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/8/12/fan-report-from-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-new-attack-scene-added-for-movie-more) the set of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows at Leavesden studio and we learned from their report:The Lovegood house set complete with Dirigible plums (bright orange plants) growing outside, is built with a stone base with 'the right side of the house pitted with holes where Death Eater spells had hit (squib explosions)' The report also states that 'they were prepping the house again for a much bigger version of that fight, apparently. They were adding even more squibs for the new fight.' This may be confirmation that the Lovegood house is wrecked by the explosion of an Erumpent horn
during the trios visit. It may be that the explosion is set off when the trio exchange spells with death eaters and not with Xenophilius Lovegood. The report does suggest that there is more to this scene then was in the book.

I actually think it is possible that this scene will all be one. They enter the Lovegood's house and learn what the Hallows are then Luna's father betrays them to the snatchers/death eaters. As he is out of the room the trio discuss the hallows and the possibility that they have two of the three and that Voldemort is searching for the third.

This idea is quite good. Lovegood can leave the room, and the trio talk among themselves, and Harry sees what Voldemort is doing, so that he can justify to Hermione and Ron that Voldemort is searching for the Elder Wand. However, I dont want them to make Lovegood seem like a one-dimensional character, meaning, I would like to see Lovegood mimicing Lily's actions when he tries to make sure the trio cannot leave, as this will draw some interesting parallels. Lovegood is a good character, but he has been warped by fear of losing his daughter, which can furthur strengthen the notion that the wizarding world is really at war.

That's a good point, but an exciting scene straight into a situation will have much more impact on the audience imo. Perhaps the opening scene can be of Voldemort doing something? Then it cuts to the trio being transported to Malfoy Manor. I don't know.

I think that scene will be more exciting in its entirety myself. Whatever scene they choose to open the film, there's going to be some lead in to it. I can't see them beginning either film by jumping straight into an action sequence with no build up because it would be confusing. Whether it is the trio being led to Malfoy Manor before the action starts or something else, there will be some kind of "filler" there to give the audience time to settle in to their seats and start paying attention. Even GOF had that lead in to Frank Bryce being killed with that bit of him filling the teakettle with water and spotting a light on in the window of the main house. HBP uses a kind of flashback to OOTP with a brief scene showing Dumbledore and Harry at the Ministry with the press snapping pictures flowing into the logo and then a lead in to the action with the muggles in an office building noticing something odd outside and getting up to look out the window.

I'm thinking DH part 2 might do something similar with a kind of flashback to them being captured at the end of part 1 flowing into the logo and then a lead in to the scene at Malfoy Manor with the snatchers leading them to it.

I actually think it is possible that this scene will all be one. They enter the Lovegood's house and learn what the Hallows are then Luna's father betrays them to the snatchers/death eaters. As he is out of the room the trio discuss the hallows and the possibility that they have two of the three and that Voldemort is searching for the third.

The death eaters attack and the trio are chased from the house through the woods and eventually captured. They could have Harry see into Voldemort's mind during these events and see him gain the elder wand as the film ends. This is, of course, just speculation on my part, but the only thing that would be moved then would be the information they hear on potterwatch none of which is important to the plot and then they would leave out that Voldemort's name is a trigger that disables their defenses.

The only suggestion that it may be this way is from [HP4U] (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/harry-ron-and-hermione-run-for-their.html#links) where they discuss filming scenes and i quote: 'Scenes 89, 91, 98, 100 featuring Summer scenes and Ron constantly scanning his radio for updates! They hear news of Snape while Harry checks the Marauders Map'.

This suggests that they are scanning the radio throughout the camping trips and do not listen only the one time after the Lovegood scene and right before they are captured, but this news was not confirmed though usually HP4U is accurate.

PS. Also to quote the All-inclusive list:

Fan reports (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/6/25/location-filming-underway-in-swinley-forest-for-snatcher-scene-in-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows) from set on location at Swinley Forest near Bracknell, Berkshire where they mention that:

Another report (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/deathly-hallows-swinley-forest-june_26.html#links) on location at Swinley Forest near Bracknell, Berkshire:

Report repeat that two Potter fans were able to visit (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/8/12/fan-report-from-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-new-attack-scene-added-for-movie-more) the set of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows at Leavesden studio and we learned from their report: This may be confirmation that the Lovegood house is wrecked by the explosion of an Erumpent horn
during the trios visit. It may be that the explosion is set off when the trio exchange spells with death eaters and not with Xenophilius Lovegood. The report does suggest that there is more to this scene then was in the book.

Well, you never know what they're going to do with these films so that is certainly possible. But I really don't like that idea very much because it messes with the timeline too much. I'm hoping the people making those reports are confused about what's actually going on because I don't think it would make much sense to have them be captured right after they go see Xenophilius. Not because of Potterwatch or seeing the trio camping day to day, but because of Harry's obsession with the Hallows.

The reason I think there might be some confusion there is that there should not be any camping scenes that occur during the summer. The timeline for the camping is between September 1997 and April 1998. So if they're filming camping scenes that are supposed to be in the summer time, they've really screwed something up somewhere and that would not bode well for the film overall, IMO. The only scenes that occur during the summer are at the beginning of part 1 with the Death Eaters meeting Voldemort at Malfoy Manor to plan strategy, Harry being escorted from #4 Privet Dr. and being ambushed by the Death Eaters, time at the Burrow with Bill and Fleur's wedding, and the very beginning of them hiding out at Grimmauld Place. After that, it slides into fall and the story is over before summer comes around again. It seems likely to me that they could be filming two separate scenes in that area.

These two events are close to each other in terms of where they fall in the story because the book skips through several months, but it is still clear in the story that several months pass between the two with the trio escaping the trap Xenophilius Lovegood set at the beginning of January - immediately after Ron returns - and then getting captured by the snatchers in April. The months in between are significant to Harry's obsession with the Hallows and how that diverts him away from the mission Dumbledore gave him to find and destroy the Horcruxes. I think we need to see Harry's obsession and the problems it causes. We need to see Ron and Hermione struggling to continue the search with little to no input from Harry. We need to see that Harry cannot focus on anything clearly because he is so obsessed he can't see past the Hallows. And none of that can happen until after they visit Xenophilius.

The other reason I do not like that idea is that - for the same reason - I think it is very significant that the trio is captured by the snatchers because Harry screwed up and said Voldemort's name. He knew the name had been tabooed. He knew that's how the Death Eaters had found them before and that others had been captured - or almost captured - because of it. But his obsession with the Hallows was so great that, when he heard the comment on Potterwatch that it was believed Voldemort was abroad, he completely forgets himself in the excitement of having confirmation that Voldemort is searching for the Elder wand and says Voldemort's name.

To remove all that and put all the blame on Xenophlius would only serve to whitewash Harry's character and remove one of the primary points of the story - how Harry's obsession with the Hallows was detrimental to the mission and nearly got all three of them killed. I can't see that as a good idea because I feel Harry's obsession and how it causes him to screw up so badly is very significant to the overall story. The fact that it was his fault that they were captured is part of what causes him to finally snap out of that obsession because Dobby wouldn't have been killed if Harry hadn't said Voldemort's name and gotten them captured in the first place.

So my preference would be for those to be two separate scenes with the visit to Xenophilius occurring immediately after Ron returns in the winter - right after Christmas - with the film clearly showing that months pass between the two and focusing on Harry's obsession causing them to be captured during the Easter holiday.

I agree that it is possible that the people who saw this filming weren't really sure what was going on in these scenes which is why i put needs confirmation in the thread because we only got this information from one source and there were no photos. I also think it is likely that they were filming scenes for multiple scenes throughout both films.

I hear what you are saying that Harry's obsession over the hallows would have to be cut if the film went according to this theory and that is important to Harry's character. I could still see them cutting that because i still thing they will cut things even though the film is split into two. It is hard with the films. I think a lot of the time the lose things that are interesting to the characters such as spew.

I also think that most likely there is something off in my speculation, but it was what i thought based on all the news we have. It is also, at this point, fun to speculate.

I agree that it is possible that the people who saw this filming weren't really sure what was going on in these scenes which is why i put needs confirmation in the thread because we only got this information from one source and there were no photos. I also think it is likely that they were filming scenes for multiple scenes throughout both films.

I hear what you are saying that Harry's obsession over the hallows would have to be cut if the film went according to this theory and that is important to Harry's character. I could still see them cutting that because i still thing they will cut things even though the film is split into two. It is hard with the films. I think a lot of the time the lose things that are interesting to the characters such as spew.

I also think that most likely there is something off in my speculation, but it was what i thought based on all the news we have. It is also, at this point, fun to speculate.

Oh absolutely. We don't know what they're going to do exactly at this point so all we can do is speculate. :)

Personally, I don't like that idea very much because I think Harry's obsession with the Hallows is significant. And I think it's more meaningful to the story overall that it was Harry's mistake that led to them being captured. I hope they don't whitewash Harry's character and remove the mistakes he made. That annoys me. It makes the character much less interesting, IMO.

So I am hoping there was some confusion there and they actually were filming different scenes for the film. :)

I'm thinking DH part 2 might do something similar with a kind of flashback to them being captured at the end of part 1 flowing into the logo and then a lead in to the scene at Malfoy Manor with the snatchers leading them to it.


The reason I think there might be some confusion there is that there should not be any camping scenes that occur during the summer. The timeline for the camping is between September 1997 and April 1998. So if they're filming camping scenes that are supposed to be in the summer time, they've really screwed something up somewhere and that would not bode well for the film overall, IMO.


I don't want DH 2 to begin with flashbacks. As you said earlier, they should be careful with the flashbacks. I don't like the idea of a montage clealy stating "this happened last episode. Let's move on." The flashback of HBP established the close friendship between Harry and Dumbledore and was a well-placed moment which gave us the "HP feeling".

Scenes filmed in the summer time may be scenes placed in the autumn in the finished film. If this is the case I've no idea why they are doing it this way, but I guess the film industry is too complicated to understand. Anyway, after all the effects, the color schemes and the lighting are finished it will most likely look like it's autumn on the screen.

I actually think it is possible that this scene will all be one. They enter the Lovegood's house and learn what the Hallows are then Luna's father betrays them to the snatchers/death eaters. As he is out of the room the trio discuss the hallows and the possibility that they have two of the three and that Voldemort is searching for the third.

The death eaters attack and the trio are chased from the house through the woods and eventually captured. They could have Harry see into Voldemort's mind during these events and see him gain the elder wand as the film ends. This is, of course, just speculation on my part, but the only thing that would be moved then would be the information they hear on potterwatch none of which is important to the plot and then they would leave out that Voldemort's name is a trigger that disables their defenses.

The only suggestion that it may be this way is from [HP4U] (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/harry-ron-and-hermione-run-for-their.html#links) where they discuss filming scenes and i quote: 'Scenes 89, 91, 98, 100 featuring Summer scenes and Ron constantly scanning his radio for updates! They hear news of Snape while Harry checks the Marauders Map'.

This suggests that they are scanning the radio throughout the camping trips and do not listen only the one time after the Lovegood scene and right before they are captured, but this news was not confirmed though usually HP4U is accurate.

PS. Also to quote the All-inclusive list:

Fan reports (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/6/25/location-filming-underway-in-swinley-forest-for-snatcher-scene-in-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows) from set on location at Swinley Forest near Bracknell, Berkshire where they mention that:

Another report (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/deathly-hallows-swinley-forest-june_26.html#links) on location at Swinley Forest near Bracknell, Berkshire:

Report repeat that two Potter fans were able to visit (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/8/12/fan-report-from-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-new-attack-scene-added-for-movie-more) the set of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows at Leavesden studio and we learned from their report: This may be confirmation that the Lovegood house is wrecked by the explosion of an Erumpent horn
during the trios visit. It may be that the explosion is set off when the trio exchange spells with death eaters and not with Xenophilius Lovegood. The report does suggest that there is more to this scene then was in the book.

Hmm, didn't even think of that possibility! :hmm: Some interesting bit of speculation there. Yes, I could them doing it that way actually. I don't think it would bother me too much if they omitted the name taboo thing, but I don't see why it would be necessary now that they have all the extra time. And I hope they do include Potterwatch somewhere in the film at least, whether it's really important to the plot or not.

What do you guys think?

A full trailer for DH1 with Toy Story 3 in June 2010?

I didn't even know there was going to be a new Toy Story film. Isn't Toy Story produced by Pixar and Disney? If so I doubt it. However, there will probably come a full trailer next summer. When do you think we will get a teaser trailer or a sneak peak? With the HBP DVD?

There was a mention of Ron scanning the radio by HPNA (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/harry-ron-and-hermione-run-for-their.html#links), but it was mentioned only by them and there was no secondary confirmation. Like i said they are usually accurate, but i am always leery when there is no secondary confirmation from a separate source or photos that we can see for ourselves.

Also when it says a summer scene, that may just mean that the sun is shining and the leaves are green. It doesn't need to mean that it is between June 21 through September 21 which is, i think, technically considered summer. Though it could be in the early part of September and that is still considered summer and fits with the timeline of the book. I don't think that is something we should consider a change that they are camping in 'summer'.

PS. I hope we get some sort of video or photos. I know we have got a lot of behind the scenes stuff, but i am more then ready for some 'official' news.

And I hope they do include Potterwatch somewhere in the film at least, whether it's really important to the plot or not.

Potterwatch may have been confirmed by HP4U News (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/harry-ron-and-hermione-run-for-their.html#links)
Scenes 89, 91, 98, 100 featuring Summer scenes and Ron constantly scanning his radio for updates! They hear news of Snape while Harry checks the Marauders Map. The trio hear a funny ticking noise and seek to find out what it is.....

I didn't even know there was going to be a new Toy Story film. Isn't Toy Story produced by Pixar and Disney? If so I doubt it. However, there will probably come a full trailer next summer. When do you think we will get a teaser trailer or a sneak peak? With the HBP DVD?

A teaser trailer has already been released for Toy Story 3. I hope we get some sort of teaser for DH with the HBP DVD. Does anybody know when the first HBP teaser was released?

Edit: Ah, decarus beat me to it :lol:

I don't want DH 2 to begin with flashbacks. As you said earlier, they should be careful with the flashbacks. I don't like the idea of a montage clealy stating "this happened last episode. Let's move on." The flashback of HBP established the close friendship between Harry and Dumbledore and was a well-placed moment which gave us the "HP feeling".

I think something like that would work because it's not really a flashback - not in the sense of one of the characters "remembering" what happened or telling what happened with a voiceover. For HBP that was not presented as something that happened in the past being remembered. It was presented as currently happening and showed that Harry had been through a traumatic experience with the following scene being what happened a few weeks later.

That's the type of thing I was thinking of for DH part 2. Instead of picking up at the exact spot part 1 left off or some time later, they could decide to go back a few minutes so part 2 would begin with that same scene of the trio being chased. They could also choose to present that as a flashback and possibly even have a voiceover for it with Dan "remembering" what happened, but that's not the only way they could do it.

Scenes filmed in the summer time may be scenes placed in the autumn in the finished film. If this is the case I've no idea why they are doing it this way, but I guess the film industry is too complicated to understand. Anyway, after all the effects, the color schemes and the lighting are finished it will most likely look like it's autumn on the screen.


That's what I'm thinking as well. The first pictures we had from filming were in the summer, but Dan was dressed for cold weather with a heavy sweater. So it is most likely that the scene they were filming will be one that takes place in the late fall or winter - my impression was that for the Silver Doe scene. The pictures we have seen from the camping so far have shown them dressed for cold weather as well - flannel shirts, sweaters, coats, etc...

Because of the wardrobe, I don't think any of that stuff is going to occur in the summer in terms of the timeline of the story. They might have filmed it during the summer months or when the weather was actually warm and nice, but that's not necessarily what will be reflected on film. It's not uncommon for a summer scene to be shot in the winter or a winter scene to be shot in the summer. There's a scene in one of the LoTR films where Gollum is leading Frodo and Sam past a brook and he gets in the water to try and catch a fish. It looks to be late spring or summer in the film, but it was actually filmed in winter. The film crew had to manually remove the snow from the area and thaw out the layer of ice on the water so they could film the scene. The actor who did the voice for Gollum actually got in that freezing water so they would have some footage of how that would look for the CGI of Gollum.

Potterwatch may have been confirmed by HP4U News (http://hp4unews.blogspot.com/2009/06/harry-ron-and-hermione-run-for-their.html#links)
Scenes 89, 91, 98, 100 featuring Summer scenes and Ron constantly scanning his radio for updates! They hear news of Snape while Harry checks the Marauders Map. The trio hear a funny ticking noise and seek to find out what it is.....

(Why did I read this?! :lol:)

What could the funny ticking noise be? Puppet Pals to the rescue?! :lol:

A teaser trailer has already been released for Toy Story 3.


I just want to clear up. I didn't mean when the first teaser for Toy Story would be released, but when the first one for DH 1 would come out :p Sorry for that misunderstanding! I hope we will get a sneak peak on the HBP DVD too, but we haven't heard anything that can confirm yet :shrug:

I think something like that would work because it's not really a flashback - not in the sense of one of the characters "remembering" what happened or telling what happened with a voiceover. For HBP that was not presented as something that happened in the past being remembered. It was presented as currently happening and showed that Harry had been through a traumatic experience with the following scene being what happened a few weeks later.

That's the type of thing I was thinking of for DH part 2. Instead of picking up at the exact spot part 1 left off or some time later, they could decide to go back a few minutes so part 2 would begin with that same scene of the trio being chased. They could also choose to present that as a flashback and possibly even have a voiceover for it with Dan "remembering" what happened, but that's not the only way they could do it.


I see. A flashback of only the scene of the trio being kidnapped is much better than a montage of many scenes. A voiceover, however, wouldn't fit in at all. I imagine Dan saying: "Here, my friends, you can see the snatchers finding us, running after us and lastly kidnapping us. Now we are brought to a dark place. I've no idea where." :lol:

If they decide to end it with a cliffhanger it wouldn't be odd to have a flashback to remind the audience of what is going on. Still, in HBP the sky and the flashes from the cameras were a nice transition. How are they going to do this in the same creative way? It might seem repetitive.

I really dislike flashbacks of what happened before at the beginning of the film. I hope they just continue where they left off.

I think it will work both ways. Having a flashback to remind the audience of the last scene can work, but at the same time it may seem a bit forced. Like they are only doing it to avoid confusion, not to emphasize on the characters or important events later in the plot. If the flashback fits in I don't see a problem with it, if it doesn't they can rather jump straight into the action.

I'm sure there will be plenty of flashbacks in part two. Not only does the audience need to be reminded of events from part 1, but I think they should probably show Harry's parents being murdered as well, preferably in a new scene with Ralph Fiennes. The audience will need more closure than just wrapping us DH1's loose ends, and they can get that if Lily and James' murder frames Harry's actions for part 2.

I am fine with some flashbacks during the film. I agree they need to show Voldemort kill Harry's parents, but that may be in the first film, and they should also show Dumbledore and Snape discussing things to do with Harry in the second film. I just don't really feel the need to flashback and show the end of DH1 again at the beginning of DH2.

I did like how they showed Harry and Dumbledore walking out of the Ministry at the beginning of HBP, but that wasn't really a flashback and i don't think that will work with DH.

I don't know if anyone's with me on this, but, besides the battle of Hogwarts, it would be really interesting to see the Prince's Tale in movie form.

I can't really say when the movie will split. Its hard to tell. My speculation is somewhere around Malfoy manor.

Btw, I'm rereading the Deathly Hallows now :) on the Prince's Tale chapter. Such an epic book!

Well princes tale, the king's cross scene with Dumbledore, the forest again are all what I am really looking forward too. There is such massive amount of character development in just those chapters, it really boggles my mind. I am really looking forward to them.

In terms of action well, it really speaks for itself. Battle of Hogwarts, ministry and gringotts penetration, xeno's house, bathildas house, seven potters, malfoy manor, sliver doe, room of requirment, final "duel" more of a conversation really, are ALL full of action and exciting magic. I am of course looking forward to those, but even more so for the first three I meantioned at the top they just have a lot of important moments and character backstory for Harry, Snape and Dumbledore.

I have a question, and I apologize if this has already been discussed, I haven't been following development as closely as I did with HBP. :p

So, I was just trying to catch up with the news articles posted on Snitchseeker from the past couple of weeks and I came across an article about Hogwarts Express filming. Now with the trio not returning to Hogwarts, why would there be a scene on the Hogwarts Express?! :hmm:

Wasn't Luna abducted from the train? Or am I making that up...it's been a while. :lol:

Wasn't Luna abducted from the train? Or am I making that up...it's been a while. :lol:

Yeah, they took her from the train to Malfoy Manner.

Wasn't Luna abducted from the train? Or am I making that up...it's been a while. :lol:

Oh, that could be it. As it was written in the book I think it would be "offscreen" and I didn't expect them to show that, but it's possible.

Wasn't Luna abducted from the train? Or am I making that up...it's been a while. :lol:

I think so. They will hopefully show us what's going on at Hogwarts as well.

I think so. They will hopefully show us what's going on at Hogwarts as well.
Well, there's the Dumbledore's Army with Ginny, Nevile and Luna. Maybe they are planning what to do when they reach Hogwarts, on the train.
Although the book touches on this during the walk into Hogwarts after Hog's Head, the movie will most likely have to put some scenes in to get out of the boring monotony of camping. Maybe, at Grimmauld Place, Ron says something in the book, like " It feels kind of weird not bring on it, the train left a few hours ago..." and fade to Hogwarts Express, etc.

I don't think they are going to show Luna, Neville, and Ginny at Hogwarts. The director guy said that they were going to stay away from Hogwarts during the first film. Also, the actors that play Luna and Neville said they both weren't really in the first film. Neville and Luna are only in this one scene on the train and i would assume they would be at the wedding as well. We do know that Luna's father is at the wedding.

I agree it is possible that they are showing Luna getting taken off the train. I just have no idea where they would put that in the film if it was included. We may have heard news about Harry looking at Ginny's dot on the map, so maybe they will show him doing that and then show them all on the train or something. I don't know.

I just don't think they will have the time to show Ginny, Neville, and Luna at Hogwarts, though it isn't that i dislike the idea, but not at the expense of actual events that are shown in the book.

I don't think they are going to show Luna, Neville, and Ginny at Hogwarts. The director guy said that they were going to stay away from Hogwarts during the first film. Also, the actors that play Luna and Neville said they both weren't really in the first film. Neville and Luna are only in this one scene on the train and i would assume they would be at the wedding as well. We do know that Luna's father is at the wedding.

I agree it is possible that they are showing Luna getting taken off the train. I just have no idea where they would put that in the film if it was included. We may have heard news about Harry looking at Ginny's dot on the map, so maybe they will show him doing that and then show them all on the train or something. I don't know.

I just don't think they will have the time to show Ginny, Neville, and Luna at Hogwarts, though it isn't that i dislike the idea, but not at the expense of actual events that are shown in the book.
well, then maybe instead of having neville's voice as narration when he tells the trio in the tunnel from hog's head, they may show montages of these scenes, and the hogwarts scene can be one of them.
i remember reading about how the first part is a road movie, thus they will not show hogwarts at all, but i dont think thats a good idea. I think we should see how hogwarts is changing throughout the movie. But it would have to fit into the film, or play a part in Harry's quest in order for it not to feel like filler.

Technically, if they steal Luna from the train, it's either going to be in Hogsmeade or London, not Hogwarts. ;)

Showing how the dark time influnces Hogwarts is a good idea. Instead of having Neville to sum up the events of the whole year, it's better to show some of it.

I think so. They will hopefully show us what's going on at Hogwarts as well.

If they show the happenings at Hogwarts, they need to show not just the funny side - the pranking by the students - but the grim and horrific side: punishments that amount to torture, leaving the students bruised and bloody.

If they show the happenings at Hogwarts, they need to show not just the funny side - the pranking by the students - but the grim and horrific side: punishments that amount to torture, leaving the students bruised and bloody.

They'll be playing a fine balance between the humourous side of the DA's pranks and the more serious repercussions of them. Following HalfBlood Prince, there is the potential to make all the goings-on at Hogwarts in DH fairly humourous, which woud, in my opinion undermime Neville's acheivement.. that would be bad :no:

Technically, if they steal Luna from the train, it's either going to be in Hogsmeade or London, not Hogwarts. ;)

I wasn't saying that taking Luna from the train was at Hogwarts. I know that some people want them to show what Luna, Neville, and Ginny were doing at Hogwarts. I sort of doubt that they will do that. I am not doubting that they have filmed something with Luna and Neville on the train. If they show this i wonder if they will show Ginny trying to steal the sword.

I wonder if they will show Luna getting taken from the train and then go to Harry, Ron, and Hermione learning about it on the radio. I am just unsure how they will show these things without making them seem very random.

Perhaps they mean to do a montage, of sorts, of what is going on in the world in the same way that they opted to do one in the opening of the HBP movie instead of having fudge meet with the Muggle PM. At least, that's what I would think...I don't know, though. I barely follow these sorts of things. :)

I actually think they will do a montage at the beginning of DH1 showing Rufus Scrimgeour talking about taking over and Voldemort's return, showing Dumbledore's tomb in the daily prophet, etc.

I see. A flashback of only the scene of the trio being kidnapped is much better than a montage of many scenes. A voiceover, however, wouldn't fit in at all. I imagine Dan saying: "Here, my friends, you can see the snatchers finding us, running after us and lastly kidnapping us. Now we are brought to a dark place. I've no idea where." :lol:

If they decide to end it with a cliffhanger it wouldn't be odd to have a flashback to remind the audience of what is going on. Still, in HBP the sky and the flashes from the cameras were a nice transition. How are they going to do this in the same creative way? It might seem repetitive.

I think that would depend on how they handle it. I agree that Dan talking to the audience like that definitely wouldn't work. But something more in line with what Harry is thinking at that time could work if they do it right. I don't think they will actually do a voice over though - it is an option, but they haven't done anything like that with the previous films so it seems unlikely.

I think it will work both ways. Having a flashback to remind the audience of the last scene can work, but at the same time it may seem a bit forced. Like they are only doing it to avoid confusion, not to emphasize on the characters or important events later in the plot. If the flashback fits in I don't see a problem with it, if it doesn't they can rather jump straight into the action.

I agree. There are places that flashbacks will fit because they were included with believable means to show them - i.e. Harry sharing Voldemort's memory of what happened at Godric's Hollow when his parents were killed in part 1 and using the pensieve to view Snape's memories in part 2. I just hope they don't go overboard and try to force flashbacks.

I have a question, and I apologize if this has already been discussed, I haven't been following development as closely as I did with HBP. :p

So, I was just trying to catch up with the news articles posted on Snitchseeker from the past couple of weeks and I came across an article about Hogwarts Express filming. Now with the trio not returning to Hogwarts, why would there be a scene on the Hogwarts Express?! :hmm:

There are quite a few possibilities there. They might just be filming a shot of the train filled with students to use as a transition shot similar to what they've done in the previous movies. That would work while the trio is at Grimmauld Place and planning to break into the Ministry the following day. Ron makes his comment about how weird it is not to be on the train and mentioning that it already left with a shot of the train traveling and then cut back to the trio preparing to enter the Ministry.

It's possible they might be planning on including some stuff with Ginny, Neville, and Luna but I don't think they would be showing them on the train in part 1. Maybe they will show Luna being taken off the train during the Christmas holidays.

If they show the happenings at Hogwarts, they need to show not just the funny side - the pranking by the students - but the grim and horrific side: punishments that amount to torture, leaving the students bruised and bloody.

I agree. I'm still hoping they will use shots of what is happening at Hogwarts to break up the monotony of the camping. If they do that, I think they should focus on the Carrows have been given free reign and are forcing the students to torture each other as punishment as well as torturing students themselves along with what the DA is doing to fight back.

In other news, Ralph Fiennes has reportedly begun filming for DH and many of the adult actors and younger actors - like Devon Murray - are supposed to start filming this month. Chris Rankin mentioned returning as Percy Weasley and his schedule including night shoots some time this month as well. Sounds like they might be filming the battle at Hogwarts this month. Hopefully, we'll get lucky and there will be some pictures or reports about the filming.

I actually think they will do a montage at the beginning of DH1 showing Rufus Scrimgeour talking about taking over and Voldemort's return, showing Dumbledore's tomb in the daily prophet, etc.

I think the beginning will be very close to the book. It makes more sense if Dumbledore's tumb is shown in Harry's newspapar after the opening at Malfoy Manor. Rufus Scrimgeour talking about Voldemort's return would fit in after the character is introduced. I hope they will show the death eaters taking controll of the Ministry in a short but effective scene, not very unlike the bridge attack in HBP.

Hm. This poll pretty accurately reflects the results of the one of the mugglenet home page. Or are they linked? I don't know..

If fans are talking about the need to "break the monotony of the camping" in part 1.... who the hell is going to like that film????

If fans are talking about the need to "break the monotony of the camping" in part 1.... who the hell is going to like that film????

The camping scenes actually carry a lot of character development. But they are still boring. :D

I find it interesting that uber-fans who want to see only "Jo's vision" on the screen are willing to fling this particular part of her vision overboard. :)

The camping consists of TWO chapters! TWO chapters! I never understood this 'endless camping' thing...

The camping consists of TWO chapters! TWO chapters! I never understood this 'endless camping' thing...

Neither do I! DH isn't boring at all. Personally I think it's the best and thrilling book in the series.

The camping consists of TWO chapters! TWO chapters! I never understood this 'endless camping' thing...

I never understood it either. I don't have any problems with it really. Even though they are "camping" stuff still happens, including character development moments and moments with more action such as what happens in The Silver Doe chapter.

The camping scenes actually carry a lot of character development. But they are still boring. :D

I find it interesting that uber-fans who want to see only "Jo's vision" on the screen are willing to fling this particular part of her vision overboard. :)

They are still faithful to the book if they show the events instead of letting us hear about it in the end.

Exactly! There's only two chapters where they are doing nothing but camping. The other chapters they visit Gordic's Hollow, Lovegood house, etc.

Besides, the first six books took place entirely in ONE place: Hogwarts and yet none of us got bored or tired of it. Why is camping for a couple chapters such a horrible thing? It's not like they are out on an outing picnic..they are on the run from death eaters.

The camping seems endless, rather than is.

Perception is important.

Still, I don't get it. There's so much drama happening during the camping: the trio lost and despairing, Ron's decent into disillusionment, the trio breaking apart, the nerve-racking news from the outside world, etc.

I suspect it will be better in the film since we'll be able to have these epic sweeps of the surrounding countryside.

I understand that some of you felt the camping scenes were endless, although I didn't. We can't change people's perceptions on that. What I don't get is why we are discussing the book in this thread...:whistle:

The camping seems endless, rather than is.

Perception is important.

I never felt like the camping was boring either. I never thought anything was boring in DH, well if i thought anything was boring it wasn't the camping. I don't think we have to worry about it seeming endless in the film at all. If anything, for me, the beginning may seem a little slow.

I know in the book i usually skip those first two chapters when i reread, but that information may be done more quickly in the films by having a montage using the daily prophet.

The camping scenes actually carry a lot of character development. But they are still boring. :D

I find it interesting that uber-fans who want to see only "Jo's vision" on the screen are willing to fling this particular part of her vision overboard. :)

That's why I made that coment! I like the camping scenes, they are emotionally very strong. And they are made to seem endless, unsuccesful, depressive, grim, dark...

But the problem is that, if you remove the last act from the book, the first movie becomes a somewhat "boring" and unresolved entity. Yes, the second movie will be great, sure. But what about the first one?
Ultra-purists suggesting to add new scenes to "break the monotony". Interesting.

This is why they really needed to split at Dobby's burial. If they did, they'd at least have a full climactic scene at Malfoy Manor for the climax and not just a chase and capture.

This is why they really needed to split at Dobby's burial. If they did, they'd at least have a full climactic scene at Malfoy Manor.

This is why the split is a bad idea. But yes, if they HAVE to split, they should end the first movie AFTER Malfoy Manor. If not, the first movie is completely empty of resolution, emotional impact...

This is why the split is a bad idea. But yes, if they HAVE to split, they should end the first movie AFTER Malfoy Manor. If not, the first movie is completely empty of resolution, emotional impact...

The split isn't a bad idea at all, but I do agree it will only work if they split it at the right spot which they apparently aren't.

There is a difference between the movie being boring and the movie having an unsatisfactory ending, IMHO. I'm still not convinced that either one is going to be the case.

And it is significant that only a couple of chapters have just camping stuff. How much screen time is that really going to take up? It isn't like we are going to be watching an hour of camping angst. It's all going to be broken up by other things...

The split isn't a bad idea at all, but I do agree it will only work if they split it at the right spot which they apparently aren't.

I mean, honestly, can anyone explain me, spliting before Malfoy Mannor, how will the movie work as a journey towards a climatic moment (watch Empire Strikes Back)? What will be the climax about? A sudden chase/fight with some random bad guys?

I mean, honestly, can anyone explain me, spliting before Malfoy Mannor, how will the movie work as a journey towards a climatic moment (watch Empire Strikes Back)? What will be the climax about? A sudden chase/fight with some random bad guys?

Well if they actually get to Malfoy Manor then we'd see familiar bad guys. They'd be being brought into the lion's den and then we'd get a to be continued.

1. Camping: I don't see why people think its tedious either, but the illusion of 'never-ending' would actually be good storytelling, as the trio had no clues what to do next, and for them it probably did seem 'never-ending'

2. Split point: By splitting before Malfoy Manor, the scene at Xenophilius's acts as the climax of that part, and there is some resolution of finding out what that damn symbol is :lol: Not to mention understanding what the title's about ;). The Snatchers chase is nothing more than a tag, setting up the next film. That would not be the climax, especially since the trio are discussing the Hallows as they are caught...

There is a difference between the movie being boring and the movie having an unsatisfactory ending, IMHO. I'm still not convinced that either one is going to be the case.

And it is significant that only a couple of chapters have just camping stuff. How much screen time is that really going to take up? It isn't like we are going to be watching an hour of camping angst. It's all going to be broken up by other things...

Very true, but everything needs to be leading to something or the movie will seem pointless. The film needs some type of climax and resolution to give meaning to the rest of the film, or it's just wandering around aimlessly. Harry choosing horcruxes over hallows would have been the climactic moment the film would have been building up to. It's a theme that strings up very early on with Harry wanting to visit Godric's Hollow first even though he figured there would be no horcruxes there. DH1 would be about Harry learning to put his duty over his desire which leads naturally into the theme of DH2 with Harry coming to understand the concept of the greater good.