Vig July 21st, 2009, 1:58 pm Ok, this is of course not possible but I am curious to know your views regarding this. There have been many posts in other threads regarding this and I felt there should be a thread solely dedicated for this purpose. So, if you were allowed to change one thing in the movie, what it would be? I am sure that many of us would want to change many things about the movie and some of us might even like the movie, as it is. Please tell, the one thing you had change and how, in your opinion would it have changed the movie and added to the overall enjoyment.
An example: I liked the Ron-Hermione-Lavender triangle very much but the Harry-Ginny moment was bit of a letdown. I would have made it more fiery and spontaneous! :)
yoshi2542 July 21st, 2009, 4:37 pm Actually make the Riddle scenes mean something. What had we learned about Voldemort as a person when we left the cinema?
lil_snuffles July 21st, 2009, 4:41 pm Actually make the Riddle scenes mean something. What had we learned about Voldemort as a person when we left the cinema?
I actually would have loved to see more Riddle memories. I just think we didn't get enough of them. We only got two out of however many there were in the book. Just at least two more memories would have been nice. :)
Kanksha July 21st, 2009, 4:46 pm Actually if we're just changing one thing, I would change the ending with Ron not seeming to be part of the Trio. I don't care if they're trying to foreshadow for DH; Ronald Weasley is Harry Potter's best friend!
decarus July 21st, 2009, 5:01 pm This is a hard question. I think i would have to say i would make the Ginny/Harry kiss more passionate. Everything else about the scene could be the same, where it is, the music, the shot, the dialogue, just have the kiss be more passionate.
I am going to think about this though and i might change my mind.
hopefulgirl86 July 21st, 2009, 5:43 pm I would have had Dumbledore go more into detail about the Horcruxes with Harry. Maybe the reason they didn't show the other memories (The Cup, The Guants etc) was because of screen time... but they could have found another way. Perhaps have Dumbledore explain that Voldemort showed an obsession with the founding fathers when he was in school... (maybe not that, but you get the idea) or told Harry that he believed Voldemorts stealing in the orphanage had a lot of significance to the Horcruxes.
In the book, Harry was going down the path to finding the Horcruxes somewhat blind, but in the movie he is going to be completely blind. He has no idea what he is looking for. All he knows is that Voldemort split his soul seven times, and that the ring is gone and so is the diary. Now he has an idea that another Horcrux is a locket, but how he is supposed to know what to look for. In the book he knew it was Slytherin's locket. And how is he supposed to guess that Nagini is a Horcrux? He only knows that Horcruxes can be objects. He doesn't know that they can be also in living creatures as well.
I just feel that there wasn't enough explaining about them in the movies. I would change that if I could.
LadyLucious July 21st, 2009, 7:02 pm I actually would have loved to see more Riddle memories. I just think we didn't get enough of them. We only got two out of however many there were in the book. Just at least two more memories would have been nice. :)
Yeah, i was expecting more scenes with the pensieve.. i was quite disappointed :sigh:
ThaiHPFan July 21st, 2009, 7:07 pm I'd have John Williams do the score for the entire film.
With his music alone, the emotion and the intensity of the final scenes could be immeasurably improved.
Hooper's music was good, but not nearly good enough.
Flagrate July 21st, 2009, 7:57 pm Less teen romance and replacing it with more of the young Tom Riddle.
Willz July 21st, 2009, 8:27 pm There's quite a lot I would of changed. But if I had to say I would of preferred it if they had a proper battle after Dumbledore is killed instead of the burning of The Burrow in the middle. I don't care if it'll seem repetitive I don't think it would of I think it would of made the film better.
DigificWriter July 21st, 2009, 9:31 pm As it was the only thing that I was disappointed by with HBP, I would've included Alan Rickman shouting 'Don't call me a coward'.
Rich July 21st, 2009, 9:32 pm I would have liked to see more about the Horcruxes included as well as a lot more with the death of Dumbledore. I was satisfied with what I saw, but there was so much more that could have been included.
veelavouivre July 21st, 2009, 9:41 pm The Horcruxes is central to HBP. I would have eplained more about it. Otherwise, as someone else said, Harry goes completely blind as to where, what ,when, How etc to find them.
Harry/Ginny was not as in books and I didn't like it but it is not central to the plot. So they should have included more of memories about Riddle, and a view of the tiara in RoR. Voldemort is and has always been at the center of Harry's life. So it should have had more time.
houseelf25 July 21st, 2009, 10:06 pm There's quite a lot I would of changed. But if I had to say I would of preferred it if they had a proper battle after Dumbledore is killed instead of the burning of The Burrow in the middle. I don't care if it'll seem repetitive I don't think it would of I think it would of made the film better.
i wholeheartedly agree. and i don't think it would be repetitive with DH at all--HELLO, there's a whole movie in between now! i think that would be the one thing i would change too. either that or have dumbledore get an actual funeral. that wand thing, while symbolic and all of that, was kind of pointless IMO. the funeral in the book was a lot more emotional for me. and how are they gonna have voldemort steal the elder wand now? it's not buried with dumbledore, it's just chillin on his desk!
LordThingy July 21st, 2009, 10:22 pm One thing I would have changed? I would have added the memory where they see hufflepuff's cup and the discussion Harry and Dumbledore have about what the remaining horcruxes could be.
FleurDeLaPointe July 21st, 2009, 10:22 pm Yates =-> Nolan.
broomsticks July 21st, 2009, 10:29 pm Less teen romance and replacing it with more of the young Tom Riddle.
Yes. All it'd take would be the Hepzibah Smith memory, or DD telling Harry the Horcruxes aren't "ordinary" objects, but Hogwarts founders' items.
Klio July 21st, 2009, 10:39 pm I would have changed or ommitted the Burrow attack. I don't mind that it's there -0 I understand that they were trying to portray the danger outside in the middle of the film. But I think the scene is very badly done - it drags horribly with them somehow wandering through those awful reeds. Visually uninspiring, not dramatic enough and gnerally not well directed or edited. I'd have fixed those flaws somehow or just left it out....
Bella_Crucio_U July 21st, 2009, 10:42 pm Have Alfanso direct instead..haha just kidding. Umm...I think I agree about the kiss. Or maybe Harry being frozen as DD dies. Idk...
Noldus July 21st, 2009, 10:47 pm There are several things. I would have cut the waitress and began that scene with Harry reading the prophet, walking to the window and recognizing Dumbledore as in the final cut. Just skip the waitress part:D
Unrepentant July 21st, 2009, 11:17 pm Prince Prince Prince Prince Prince. There was only three mentions about the prince, and when Snape said "I'm the Half-Blood prince?' it was like: So what?
I would've changed the movie so that it contained more Prince!
JimmyPotter July 22nd, 2009, 2:29 am What I found annoying about the attack scene at the Burrow is that everyone was just standing around while the house was on fire. Arthur, Molly, Lupin, and Tonks are all fully qualified wizards; at least one of them should know how to do an Aguamenti spell to conjure water to put out the fire.
Ker July 22nd, 2009, 2:35 am My list is huge- but I think my biggest bugaboo was Harry not getting frozen and hidden under his cloak at the end.
SevrusSnape July 22nd, 2009, 3:06 am Man this is tough there were a handful of things I would of tweaked like having Harry be petrified and Snape not see him there, or adding the mini battle at the end, also adding a bit more about the HBP himself. I saw a post above saying "so what" in response to finding out Snape was the HBP and I agree 100%. It felt forced to me so basically I would want the last 15 minutes changed
Hysteria July 22nd, 2009, 3:53 am I really don't think we needed more TOm Riddle. By the time DH comes around they'll have to re-hash everything about him anyway and DD didn't leave out anything that cant be explained in a few lines by Harry.
I just would have changed the editing around so it didn't feel (to me) like it was jumping and would have cut most of the scenes with Draco testing the cabinet (which turned out to be rather pointless anyway).
ETA: Oh, also would have made DD paralyse Harry at the end.
Panduhbear July 22nd, 2009, 4:07 am Actually if we're just changing one thing, I would change the ending with Ron not seeming to be part of the Trio. I don't care if they're trying to foreshadow for DH; Ronald Weasley is Harry Potter's best friend!
ME TOO! That irked me to no end! He just stood there and didn't speak!
aharleyrider4u July 22nd, 2009, 4:20 am Other than simply staying truer to the original book, what would I change? Gosh, one major thing...I'd have included the battle at the end. That halped to cement Harry's resolve. One minor thing I would have changed would have been the Harry/Ginny kiss. A little more passion. Ginny's been waiting years and I just think there'd be more passion to it than there was.
decarus July 22nd, 2009, 4:28 am Garry/Ginny? That was great. Thanks very much. I agree though. The kiss was the small detail i would want changed. They could have had one passionate kiss and still left everything the same and i would be much happier with how their relationship went.
As for a larger detail, i think they should have done more explanation with the horcruxes. Simply showing them when Harry touches the ring in the flashes would have helped. I also would have taken out the line they could be anything or added a line such as, but Voldemort chose objects of importance to him. Doing both of these things would have helped.
I do still hope they make the connection of the horcruxes to the objects from founders of Hogwarts. They may not, but i do hope so.
SKasparRollins July 22nd, 2009, 5:33 am if i was limited to one thing i would cut the line where Harry yells "WE TRUSTED YOU SNAPE"
IenjoyAcidPops July 22nd, 2009, 5:33 am If I could change one thing, I actually think it would be Greyback - which is to say I'd have someone give him some sort of introduction or buildup of some kind, even just a line like "Fenrir Greyback is the most savage werewolf out there." As it is, he's just some dude.
SKasparRollins July 22nd, 2009, 5:37 am If I could change one thing, I actually think it would be Greyback - which is to say I'd have someone give him some sort of introduction or buildup of some kind, even just a line like "Fenrir Greyback is the most savage werewolf out there." As it is, he's just some dude.
In all fairness he's not really that important a character...especially since Bill is an almost non existent character in the movies
House_Elf_21 July 22nd, 2009, 5:40 am My list is huge- but I think my biggest bugaboo was Harry not getting frozen and hidden under his cloak at the end.
Ditto :grumble: The way they did it made very little sense to me.
IenjoyAcidPops July 22nd, 2009, 5:40 am In all fairness he's not really that important a character...especially since Bill is an almost non existent character in the movies
Granted, but if he's going to be in the movie I'd rather it not just be for the sake of being in the movie. They could just as well have scrapped him.
SKasparRollins July 22nd, 2009, 5:44 am Ditto :grumble: The way they did it made very little sense to me.
I think they did it to reinforce Harry's devotion to dumbledore's orders...still, in the book Dumbledore knew Harry could not possibly stand there while Snape killed him
decarus July 22nd, 2009, 5:52 am if i was limited to one thing i would cut the line where Harry yells "WE TRUSTED YOU SNAPE"
I think the line was 'He trusted you'. I am not sure if that makes it any better or not for you, but i think that was the quote.
SKasparRollins July 22nd, 2009, 5:54 am I think the line was 'He trusted you'. I am not sure if that makes it any better or not for you, but i think that was the quote.
Eh, still seems like a corny line to me. I dunno.
Actually a more glaring thing I think I would have cut is the Burrow attack...not just because I'm a canon freak but because it seemed unnecessary to me
AccioHP July 22nd, 2009, 6:06 am I would've excluded the attack on the Burrow and added the Battle at Hogwarts.
I know they say it's repetitive because there's a battle at Hogwarts in DH2, but isn't it repetitive to have an attack at the Burrow when in DH1 it is also attacked?!
I think the line was 'He trusted you'. I am not sure if that makes it any better or not for you, but i think that was the quote.
Yeah, it was 'he trusted you'.
I thought it was a chilling line.
IenjoyAcidPops July 22nd, 2009, 6:11 am I know they say it's repetitive because there's a battle at Hogwarts in DH2, but isn't it repetitive to have an attack at the Burrow when in DH1 it is also attacked?!
I was about to say "maybe they haven't included that," but knowing that Bill & Fleur are in the film, as is their wedding, I assume the trio are indeed returing to The Burrow.
AccioHP July 22nd, 2009, 6:21 am I was about to say "maybe they haven't included that," but knowing that Bill & Fleur are in the film, as is their wedding, I assume the trio are indeed returing to The Burrow.
Yeah I'm assuming it'll be at the Burrow also.
MasterOfDeath July 22nd, 2009, 6:37 am I would have kept the "I am not worried, Harry. I am with you." Not only because it was such a great, emotional and special line to me but because the film was sort of lacking in the 'coming of age', 'Dumbledore passing on the mantle to Harry' theme. At the end of the movie, we feel Harry is completely out of his league. With the passing of the torch moment, it would have felt more natural and hopeful, imo.
This is the only thing I'd add. The rest of the movie was perfect. I mean the editing was a bit jumpy and choppy but it worked for me this time for some reason.
snugglepot July 22nd, 2009, 9:02 am Just one thing;
I would have given Harry and Ginny their proper, passionate kiss, as in the books.
If I could have a second, I would replace the horrible waitress scene with Dumbledore at the Dursleys.
And for a third, Ron would be with Harry and Hermione at the end, and would have said the line, that was his in the book;
"We're coming with you!"
hestiajones July 22nd, 2009, 9:25 am I would have kept the "I am not worried, Harry. I am with you." Not only because it was such a great, emotional and special line to me but because the film was sort of lacking in the 'coming of age', 'Dumbledore passing on the mantle to Harry' theme. At the end of the movie, we feel Harry is completely out of his league. With the passing of the torch moment, it would have felt more natural and hopeful, imo.
This is the only thing I'd add. The rest of the movie was perfect. I mean the editing was a bit jumpy and choppy but it worked for me this time for some reason.
i agree! i was waiting for the line the entire movie, i swear! and it just didn't come. i also think that the harry/ginny kiss scene was rather forced, that dumbledore should have immobilized harry (harry's desire to save people is one of his most significant trait!), and they could have done a little more justice to the half-blood prince mystery.
dchristen03 July 22nd, 2009, 9:39 am 1. I wanted it to show Dumbledore actually bringing Harry into the broom shed before dropping him off at the Burrow. People in my theater who I think have not read the books had a quite confused face when Harry turns up at Dumbledore's office.
2. They should've kept in the scene where Romilda actually gives Harry the Chocolate Cauldrons. Hermione just tells Harry that she's sneaking him a Love Potion, then it just forwards all the way to Ron in love without even explaining how Harry got the Cauldrons or when he did anyway.
3. The whole Harry/Ginny kiss. I think the whole thing between Harry and Ginny in the Room of Requirement is alright, not too bad, but not good either. I do think they should've made Harry kiss Ginny when everyone wasn't expecting them to (I.E., in the book).
4. Snape should have given Harry detention for the whole Sectumsempra scene! I can't believe they just let Harry slip away. Harry should've missed the last match of the season, showing everyone just how well Ron can do in Quidditch without Harry watching. And, again, as I say before, Harry should've kissed Ginny at this moment.
But other than that, the film seems fine. :)
Tenshi July 22nd, 2009, 10:23 am One thing? There are a couple of them...
Even though I dislike Dumbledore, he didn't deserve such a lame death like that. It was more than uneventful and boring. The whole scene was not like I expected it.
Flight of the Prince, also boring. I really was looking forward to it and was deeply dissappointed
Should have excluded the Burrow attack.
The kiss scene. It was also awkward. I wished they would have done the surprise kiss.
That's all that I can think of at the moment.
Paperclip July 22nd, 2009, 12:36 pm I would have left out the Waitress, Burrow and most of the vanishing cabinet scenes, and instead included the memories about Tom Riddle and an actual Battle at Hogwarts.
We won't get to see those memories in DH, and even if they end up giving Harry a few lines about them to further flesh out the backstory, it's just lame. Very bad story telling.
Harry: Oh, I suddenly remembered something Dumbledore told me before he died....
Right.
_SectumSempra_ July 22nd, 2009, 2:03 pm cut the attack on the burrow (when watching the movie si was like *** is this??)
and this movie movie definately needed more harry/ginny <3
underscore July 22nd, 2009, 2:38 pm I liked the most just as it is. But I think that, as cool, realistic looking, and grounbreaking as that continuous flying shot through London all the way into Diagon Alley was, there was nothing impressive about that attack as well as the attack on the bridge. It felt very pointless and underdeveloped. Either show a bit more and a quick montage of media aftermath or take it out completely and just increase the effects on the Diagon Aley attack.
lonewulf July 22nd, 2009, 8:59 pm Hmmm ... have a list.
1.) DD should have paralyzed Harry at the end. It was just dumb watching harry just watch. Along the same line, the ending with the dead DD wasn't sad or emotional at all really. Everyone I talked mentioned how they should have kept his funeral as the end. (I'm guessing that's going to be the start of DH1 and how the wand gets in)
2.) Replace the pointless house fire with the hallway battle. You're left wondering why the death eaters didn't go take out other teachers or members of the order.
3.) The Snape chase didn't flow at all and felt awful. They should have had some more dramatic music and I wanted to see Rickman scream back at Harry after the coward comment (which was weak too). More emotion!!!
4.) Skip the pointless cabinet scenes and give us some more Riddle memories ... geez!
5.) Narcissa just didn't look anything like what i thought or hoped.
The whole ending 15 minutes really was pretty weak.
Badgers_Rule July 22nd, 2009, 9:38 pm I liked this movie a lot, the one thing I would have changed is more info on the Horcruxes, because Harry is going to try finding them knowing nothing about them.
KlausBaudelaire July 22nd, 2009, 9:58 pm I'd have just changed the Opening sequence, with Voldemort announcing a muggle slaughter if he wasn't made minister for magic at once, while Bellatrix was at his side looking like this :love: (and it would have brought Fiennes back, squee)
Montse July 23rd, 2009, 2:14 am The Harry/Ginny kiss, I would have kept it as it was so wonderfully written.
winky123 July 23rd, 2009, 7:10 am The Harry/Ginny kiss, I would have kept it as it was so wonderfully written.
Yes, and much more about their relationship as well. I think they should have included that "sort of break-up" at the end because in the film you didn't really get a clear understanding of how MUCH Harry actually cares for her. Basically, there should have been more scenes about them and of course their amazing first kiss. It was magical in the book. :)
b405 July 23rd, 2009, 7:40 am The one thing that has stuck with me since I watched the movie. Was harry and ginny. I really don't like how they depicted ginny. she came off as a stalker and a loner. in the book she is one of my favorite characters, but in the movies she is nothing like that. i mean to have ginny pursuing harry and what was with that whole tying your shoe thing!? ginny would have never acted like that! the whole thing just came off as creapy, you didn't even root for them to be together or anything. very disappointing. one other thing was they gave ginny and harry's kiss to ron and lavender!! the kiss scene was so vague, you didn't even get the concept that the were together. another huge contradiction to the book.
tjkay July 23rd, 2009, 1:49 pm There are also several things I think have been done differently.
1. The opening waitress scene. I think DD should have went to the Dursleys.
2. I hated that Luna found Harry on the train and not Tonks. And that they already created a "relationship" between Tonks and Lupin during the burrow scene.
3. No real use of the order or communicating with the patronuses (Sp?)
4. I miss Professor Trelawney. I would have prefered her prediction to the bird flyng around the cabinet.
5. Lost reference to DD and Harry trying to think about what the other horcrux could be.
6. Disappointed in the development of the relationship between Harry and Ginny - there was a real disconnect and a force of a relationship.
7. The burrow scene was a waste of time.
8. There should have been the fight scene in the hallway at the castle.
9. The flight of the Prince scene was terrible. They miss the boat on the Half Blood Prince all together.
10. Hagrid should have at least picked up and carried DD body off. This scene in the book was so emotional.
11. The funeral scene was sorely needed just to give tribute to this important character. I hope they start book six with it.
12. Ron not participating in the discussion was not right.
13. Harry should have been immoblized by DD. Harry would never have just stood by the way he did - he was ready to act but then Snape put his fingers to his lips - just wouldn't happen.
I tend to want more from the book then can be allowed in a movie but if you are going to have a scene (ie - Harry on the train) at least have him found by the proper character. At least with this they could have pointed out how the castle/Harry is being protected.
Overall I thought the movie was really good - so much better then number 5 where I thought they butchered the book. I think they did hit on the main plot points but some pretty significant things were glossed over - especially the horcrux.
Just my take.
huiwen309 July 23rd, 2009, 4:11 pm I would wanted more Riddle memories!! I was looking forward to them, esp when Riddle returns to Hogwarts, for the DADA post. And i wished they would give more significance to the horcruxes, given that it will be the theme for the next movie!
BubbleSnake July 23rd, 2009, 4:14 pm I would of added 35 mins on to the film and fill that up with stuff I wanted in the movie.
Dumbledore's Funeral
Dobby/Kreacher
Abit more Horcrux info and memories
A little more of a fight scene at the end
Dursleys
I think it could fit into 35 extra minutes if done right...
9th_Wonder July 23rd, 2009, 5:01 pm Only one thing?
I would of included more details/information on the horcruxes.
This could of been achieved by adding more memory scenes or just having Dumbledore and Harry discuss the matter in Dumbledore's office.
ginger1 July 23rd, 2009, 5:20 pm Change one thing? The director.
Sorry, the more I think about this movie, the more disappointed I get.
Jack5555 July 23rd, 2009, 6:10 pm I would have added better explanations to things. In my opinion, a non-book reader was clueless about the Inferi, Greyback, the Carrows, Yaxley, Aragog's death, etc. So I would really just throw in more background info here and there.
mactheknife July 23rd, 2009, 6:59 pm I really liked this film on a whole, but to be honest there are alot of things I would loved to change from this movie. However the thread only lets me choose one :grumble:, so I think it would have to be the Attack on The Burrow scene! It was completely pointless and unnecessary. It achieved nothing! The time it took to film that scene could have been better spent explaining the Horcrux plot-line, so as to leave the 'non-book readers' a better idea of what was actually happening and its importance.
Googlie July 24th, 2009, 8:46 am I don't have too many complaints about this movie. It was quite well done.
I'd have liked to have seen the conversation between Harry and Scrimgeour at the Burrow instead of a duel there and had the fight at the end at Hogwarts between the DE and Order members.
Also Harry-Ginny could have been better done, IMO.
lcbaseball22 July 24th, 2009, 12:06 pm To be honest there are only a few things I'd change. I felt it was near perfection! Sure there was some other stuff from the book I would have liked to see, but what was in the film was amazing and I even enjoyed the scenes invented purely for the film (for the most part)
Ok, so what change would I make?
Well, I would have never included the horribly contrived Burrow Attack sequence. Far as I could see, it's only purpose was to inject action into the middle of the film...which was quite unecessary, IMO. And what was the motive of the attack? Capture Harry, burn the Burrow? :whistle:
Anyways, instead I would have included another one of the memories (either the Guant memory or the Hepzibah Smith memory)
Both memories highlight 2 horcurxes, but I think I would've gone with the Hepzibah memory since both horcruxes in the Gaunt memory (ring and locket) were already dealt with in the film. The problem might've been explaining how Hepzibah came to own these objects though. :hmm:
I believe there would have been pro's and con's to including either of them but I still think they could have added some depth to the crucial horcrux subplot and helped set up DH further. At first I was thinking the Burrow Attack wasn't enough to substitute for, but I believe it was.
Using an online version of the film, I figured out the running times for the Burrow Attack and the memories that WERE present in the film:
Burrow Attack- 3 min.
Orphanage Memory- 2 min and 45 sec (5 min for lesson in full)
Tampered memory- 1 min and 45 sec (2 min and 45 sec for lesson in full)
True memory- 2 min and 15 sec (4 min and 15 sec for lesson in full)
Now, I don't believe either addtional memory/lesson would have needed to be as long as the Orphanage or the True Horcrux memory.
I think they could have comfortably fit either the Gaunt or Hepzibah memory into 3 min (along with some exposition from Dumbledore) :tu: And there were a few other pointless scenes they could have axed as well, in favor of another memory. Would've been nice, but oh well :shrug:
MasterOfDeath July 24th, 2009, 12:08 pm About the Burrow Attack, I feel it was a fairly good idea executed horribly. The film did need an action set-piece in the middle to keep the pace going, but the way the scene was shot and edited was just so weird and confusing and made little sense. It wasn't a bad idea, but the way they handled it ruined it IMO.
lcbaseball22 July 24th, 2009, 12:16 pm About the Burrow Attack, I feel it was a fairly good idea executed horribly. The film did need an action set-piece in the middle to keep the pace going, but the way the scene was shot and edited was just so weird and confusing and made little sense. It wasn't a bad idea, but the way they handled it ruined it IMO.
Hmm, yeah I suppose that could be it. I still think they didn't "need" it though. The film would have been fine (better even) without it, IMO.
I mean, it really didn't "keep the pace going" for me...just made me think of how pointless and stupid the idea was afterall :lol: :p
I dunno, perhaps if the intent of the attack was made clear and it was better executed it would have been alright... :shrug:
RemusPotter July 24th, 2009, 3:23 pm - a better Harry/Ginny kiss
- cut the stupid waitress. She wasn't even sexy. I hated her hairstyle.
- have Ron be with Harry and Hermione at the end, and not have him standing there like a mute
I don't have a problem with the fact they didn't add the Hogwarts battle, cuz it would be repetitious. I also didn't had a problem with the Burrow attack. Just like LOTR 2, when the Elves come to aid in Helms Deep, this one looked like it could have been in the book.
Also I believe that Greyback is the Sabretooth of the Potter Series.
boushh July 24th, 2009, 3:49 pm I like the movie overall and I feel it's my favorite of the films, but like the rest of them it isn't beyond me wishing they had done something a bit different.
It wasn't problematic enough to ruin the movie for me, but I would have beefed up the Prince plot a bit, including Harry wanting to keep the book or go back for it later (which may have allowed for us to see the diadem). I wanted to see the "friendship" develop a bit more so that the betrayal could be stronger in the last quarter of the movie.
Harry getting some sort of consequence after almost killing Draco would have been nice and yes that would have involved adding to the Prince/Snape plot too.
And yes, maybe a DADA would have helped the back end of the movie, during the Harry/Snape confrontation. Anything that gave more content to that confrontation would have been good because it is too short, and there are enough complaints about it being anti-climactic that there should have been more to it.
Even though it was funny, I probably would have changed the waitress scene and all references to it. It would have been neat if Harry was just sitting in the train station and reading the paper on a bench and then sees Dumbledore apparate across the platform. I like the train idea because of the connection to the Kings Cross chapter, but the waitress thing did take up time that it probably didn't need to take...
Ekia July 24th, 2009, 9:26 pm First I want to say this my favorite film yet, but I still only give it a B to give you an idea how I think about the others. As for the things I'd really like to have changed...
First, the opening scene with the waitress was just...well dumb in my opinion. It was not funny and added nothing to the story.
Second, I loved the cave scene but I don't understand why they were on blocks of salt instead of actual rock...
Third, they could have simply added a two minute dialogue between Harry and Dumbledore explaining the other Horcruxes, no real need for another memory even just let the audience believe in Dumbledore's brilliance.
Fourth, I think getting rid of the DE and Order fight at Hogwarts was a really bad idea it could have easily taken place just like in the book, in the background.
All in all I think the movie worked a lot better than the others. There wern't a lot of pointless scenes like some of the past movies.
-Ekia
SybillOnWheels July 24th, 2009, 10:29 pm Using an online version of the film, I figured out the running times for the Burrow Attack and the memories that WERE present in the film:
Huh? Where is this online version?
OlorinPotter July 25th, 2009, 1:56 am Add more trips into the Pensieve to explain the Horcrux better.
LyraLovegood July 25th, 2009, 1:57 am Add more trips into the Pensieve to explain the Horcrux better.
Yes.
tripletkate607 July 25th, 2009, 5:19 am I wish the Flight of the Prince was more dramatic. Harry didn't even chase after them at first! Snape didn't seem bothered by Harry calling him a coward, and they didn't explain why he called himself the half-blood prince.
That being said, I can definitely understand that it's impossible to include everything from the books. Some things have to be cut and I get it! I still think overall it was a really good movie...I just wasn't very moved by the last 20 minutes and I think it's because it seemed so rushed.
Bio_Android July 25th, 2009, 6:47 am I think I would have included the battle in the end... the Death Eaters kind of just walk in and out of the school without any real fight, which disappointed me most because I was waiting for a big battle throughout the whole movie.
SevrusSnape July 25th, 2009, 8:06 am I just wish more was done about Snape being the Half Blood Prince...I mean the movie is named after him and barely anything was about the book. Just really the one potion scene to win the Felix Felicis and the fact that Sectum Sempra was in it. Also I wish there was more pensieve scenes, I was really excited for this moving knowing the pensieve would be involved and I feel shafted
Googlie July 25th, 2009, 8:49 am And yeah, I forgot, that final exchange between Harry and Hermione with Ron just sitting there doing nothing was totally off. :( He must have played a more active part in this conversation showing that trio will stick totgether through everything thay'll be facing in the future.
GinnysPygmyPuff July 25th, 2009, 8:04 pm I love the movie but if there's something i can change, it will definitely be the first kiss of Harry and Ginny, and all scenes connected to it;
1)Snape should have used legilimency on Harry in the bathroom scene, showing at least a quick view of Harry reading the Half Blood Prince's copy of the potion book. A very useful reference to The Half Blood Prince that, unfortunately, lacks in the movie.
2)The scene when Harry, by himself, was hiding the book in the RoR.
3)Harry should have been placed in detention; a consequence he deserved (again, lacks in the movie) for using an unknown and dangerous spell. As a result, missing the last Quidditch game.
4)After detention, Harry enters the Gryffindor common room, finding inside a loud and crowded victory celebration; then finally the scene, where an excited Ginny is running towards him for their very first true kiss.
Well that's four, but since they are all connected together, can count them as one :agree:
KClare July 25th, 2009, 8:07 pm Many of you have already stated what I would have said, but the thing that got me most was just the awkwardness between Harry/Ginny.
Especially the shoelace bit, I almost had to look away. I just couldn't watch it, I felt the acting was poor there and could have been improved to make a romance more obvious and passionate than sort of just... being there.
browneyedkat July 26th, 2009, 1:29 am I would have changed quite a few things. Some of them are little details, but some are entire scenes.
- A little bit more transition between the upbeat humour and regular life and the cave scene
- Dumbledore's death could have been more drawn out, and everyone could have seemed a little more...SAD afterward
- I think the movie would have been better had the Death Eater/DA fight scene occurred
- The Death Eaters should have been a little more happy to know that Dumbledore was finally dead, though Bellatrix could have been a little less...insane...
- Harry/Ginny kiss - I absolutely loved how it was done in the book. Could not possibly improve upon that
- A little less random humour, since HBP is supposed to be kind of less upbeat than the rest of the series...
- Dumbledore drinking the potion. He didn't really seem that agonized, and the effects seemed to wear off instantly. I did like the part where he was making the fire to scare away the inferi, but that part would have been better if he had been in more pain from the potion
- I would have liked the cave scene in general to be considerably longer, as well as Harry's lessons with Dumbledore - these seemed incredibly unimportant to the overall plot, whereas they were actually incredibly important
- I also would have liked the scene in Fred and George's joke shop to have been extremely longer, as it was very, very short.
There are a couple other things I think could have been better, things that I can't think of right now.
lisalucy July 26th, 2009, 1:55 am I would have tried to hire the actor from CoS to play teenage Riddle, not Frank Dilane!
xobkwrmxo July 29th, 2009, 2:05 am I would have included the invisibility cloak. It's not there throughout the whole movie :(.
I really wish it was in the movie.
usaquidditch July 29th, 2009, 2:32 am what was the point of the cafe scene in the beginning? what does it show the audience? that Harry is a womanizer? because later that night he stairs at Ginny in her window. it would have been much better to just like in the book (as normal) have Dumbledore pick up Harry at Privet Drive. and it would have nice to see the Dursleys
DH_epicwin July 29th, 2009, 2:48 am Totally lacking Dursley's in this movie, I thought that part was awesome in the book. I think I would have preferred the Burrow Christmas scene to be cut out altogether, and the first Slug Club dinner, to make room for more lessons and the epic final battle. I also would have preferred Malfoy's actions to remain as they were in the book: from Harry's point of view, instead of Harry talking about it a little bit and them showing what Malfoy was doing. I really think that the other Horcruxes should have at least been brought up in discussion at least, instead of totally leaving it unanswered. I have been wondering how the wedding in DH is going to work now that the Burrow is burned to the ground. Or who else is with me in betting that they pretend like it didn't happen for simplicity's sake?
So to make a long story short: Less fluff (Burrow part and Slughorn's dinner)
More substance (battle at hogwarts, horcrux location 101)
Less difficult-to-fix plot points (Burrow, Horcruxes)
AlexisMalfoy July 29th, 2009, 5:28 am Changing one thing is unfortunately really difficult to decide on. I'd say placing a bigger importance on horcruxes (more of a definition/clues as to what they are/Riddle memories/etc.) is the most important thing to be changed, if they want the movies to make any sense. For viewing pleasure, I'd change the Harry/Ginny chemistry altogether, considering half of the movie I felt incredibly awkward thanks to them.
Martok July 29th, 2009, 5:25 pm I would have included the invisibility cloak. It's not there throughout the whole movie :(.
I really wish it was in the movie.
But it was there. Harry used it to spy on Malfoy on the train, just like in the book.
Crookshanks800 July 29th, 2009, 5:47 pm I would have had Christian Coulson play the teenage Tom Riddle. I don't care how old he is, they could have made him look young enough. It's not like he was onscreen for very long.
Grymmditch July 29th, 2009, 6:55 pm I would have tried to hire the actor from CoS to play teenage Riddle, not Frank Dilane!
For consistancy's sake, maybe, but the original would've been older now, as CoS was a few years ago. Besides that though, I loved Frank Dilane as teenage Riddle- he was truly menacing, psychopathic, eerie, manipulative, and yet respectful, despite the small scene and few words. He really gave me the creeps. Fantastic portrayal.
Now, as to what I'd change: the Burrow attack. As pointed out, it was pointless and used precious screen time. I have to laugh at the excuses they come up with for not including important scenes from the book, but they have time for that kind of rubbish? (Or the waitress, for that matter? )
They should have used a Gaunt related memory instead of the Burrow attack, they certainly have the budget to hire a few more actors to play bit parts!
I'll list a secondary gripe too though, and that's the Snape/Harry scene at the end. No battle? Bah. Harry would never had just stood there, even as dumbfounded as I'm sure he was.
Besides that though, the movie version of Snape bears only a small resemblance to the book Snape, IMO. Rickman's Snape is far nicer. He's a dead giveaway, in fact.
Siriusandme July 29th, 2009, 7:37 pm One thing I would have changed??? How about the script :cool: I'm still trying to decide wether I like it or not...
Navalina July 29th, 2009, 7:46 pm I would have had Christian Coulson play the teenage Tom Riddle. I don't care how old he is, they could have made him look young enough. It's not like he was onscreen for very long.
I was thinking the same thing. Apparantly he's about 30 now so he's obviously too old, but I still preferred him. The actors who portrayed him in HBP didn't convince me at all, I thought they looked really silly.
SunXia July 29th, 2009, 8:01 pm Inclusion of the battle of the Astronomy Tower instead of the Attack on the Burrow...I mean...just why??
zelinskas July 30th, 2009, 3:23 am They should have kept Luna's lion hat from the books. The one in the movie was kinda funny, but the one from the books was just plain awesome.
Elito July 30th, 2009, 4:16 am Battle at Hogwarts.....soooooo needed it, would have made a world diference....and maybe and it is really a bit silly but I wanted to see Ravenclaw's Tiara of crown they spent so much time in the requirements room that it would have been nice to see it..
snapesmyhero July 30th, 2009, 4:23 am I really disliked the Burrow scene when Harry arrives there. The whole point in Harry being brought to the Burrow by Dumbledore in the book was so that he would be safe - the Burrow has been given every protection, and the Weasley family is expecting him. The way he just shows up there, no Dumbledore, no protective spells and enchantments, just doesn't make any sense to me. And nobody seems to know that Harry is even coming? Just plain strange!
xobkwrmxo July 30th, 2009, 4:25 am what was the point of the cafe scene in the beginning? what does it show the audience? that Harry is a womanizer? because later that night he stairs at Ginny in her window. it would have been much better to just like in the book (as normal) have Dumbledore pick up Harry at Privet Drive. and it would have nice to see the Dursleys
Yes, I would have changed that as well (before I said including the inivisibility cloak). I would have also liked to see the broom shed scene in the book.
Phrozenone July 30th, 2009, 6:02 am The Burrow Attack. I'd still include it but I'd change around the events. I'd have the Death Eaters attack the house first while everyone is still in. Everyone runs out and try to put out the fire with their wands. Harry notices Bellatrix and runs after her. Ginny notices Harry running and she runs after him.
Run. Run. Run. Ginny yells to Harry that it's a trap and Harry stops running. He calls out for Ginny who screams because Greyback has grabbed her. He's about to take a bite when Harry hits him with a spell. Bellatrix comes from behind and attacks Harry. We then see Lupin/Mr. Weasley/Tonks running from the house (which has been saved from the fire) looking for Harry and Ginny. Lupin notices Greyback and we get a Lupin/Greyback fight that we never got in the book. Bellatrix and Tonks could square off a bit here until Bellatrix gives a signal and her and Greyback leave.
If the attacked was because Bellatrix thought Draco would fail and wanted to go get Harry and deliver him personally to Voldemort then I think it would've worked better.
Ah well :(
IenjoyAcidPops July 30th, 2009, 6:05 am What's at once fortunate and unfortunate is that once the film hits DVD/Blu-ray one can just skip over the Burrow attack sequence and it won't affect the film in the slightest.
Phrozenone July 30th, 2009, 6:11 am What's at once fortunate and unfortunate is that once the film hits DVD/Blu-ray one can just skip over the Burrow attack sequence and it won't affect the film in the slightest.
Nah I can never skip through an HP movie.
Okay...maybe I skip through the spider bit in CoS :whistle:
:lol:
I'll probably do that though to be honest. Right when Harry runs through the fire...NEXT...:D
IenjoyAcidPops July 30th, 2009, 6:18 am I avert my gaze and cover my ears when Dumbledore storms into the trophy room in Goblet of Fire. But that's another matter.
kingofdanger July 31st, 2009, 7:20 am I loved the movie, but the ONE problem I had was Snape at the end. If I could have changed one thing, I would have made him seem more evil and less remorseful at the end. He seemed like he didn't want to kill Dumbledore but did it because he was forced to rather than doing it because he wanted to. In the book, I got the sense that Harry was right about him all along and he was evil (though I didn't necessarily believe it), but in the movie, he seemed remorseful when he did it, and didn't seem entirely sure that it was the right thing to do. One of the most important things to establish going into the next book/movie is that Snape IS BAD. I thought they didn't do a good enough job of that.
Myrmedus July 31st, 2009, 1:21 pm I would've added an additional 3-5 minutes after Harry and Dumbledore watch Slughorn's true memory to discuss the identity of Voldemort's Horcruxes.
I loved the movie, but the ONE problem I had was Snape at the end. If I could have changed one thing, I would have made him seem more evil and less remorseful at the end. He seemed like he didn't want to kill Dumbledore but did it because he was forced to rather than doing it because he wanted to. In the book, I got the sense that Harry was right about him all along and he was evil (though I didn't necessarily believe it), but in the movie, he seemed remorseful when he did it, and didn't seem entirely sure that it was the right thing to do. One of the most important things to establish going into the next book/movie is that Snape IS BAD. I thought they didn't do a good enough job of that.
I have to admit I agree with this - in the movie it was too obvious that Snape was doing it for Dumbledore; Dumbledore's plea in the book sounds like begging for his life whereas in the movie it sounds like a solemn plea to be put out of his misery. In addition, Snape's spell-cast sounds so solemn and sad too.
RumbleRoar July 31st, 2009, 5:09 pm I wish that they would've gone into more depth with Draco's task. Also with Harry being very paranoid about it and having Dobby and Kreatur (SP?) follow him. In the book this subplot was a big part to me. It was one thing that I always thought of when someone mentions the plot of the book.
The second thing is that I would want to add Dumbledore's funeral to the end of the movie. I felt that this was a very emotional part of the book that tied up the end. I felt that the movie was incomplete without the funeral/burial scene. They still could add this to the beginning of Deathly Hallows Pt. 1 but I don't think it would be as meaningful.
Grymmditch July 31st, 2009, 6:28 pm I loved the movie, but the ONE problem I had was Snape at the end. If I could have changed one thing, I would have made him seem more evil and less remorseful at the end. He seemed like he didn't want to kill Dumbledore but did it because he was forced to rather than doing it because he wanted to. In the book, I got the sense that Harry was right about him all along and he was evil (though I didn't necessarily believe it), but in the movie, he seemed remorseful when he did it, and didn't seem entirely sure that it was the right thing to do. One of the most important things to establish going into the next book/movie is that Snape IS BAD. I thought they didn't do a good enough job of that.
In fact, the movie Snape is so unlike the book Snape, that's been the problem through all the movies, IMO. If I'd only seen movie Snape, I would've said he was a good guy all along. Book Snape, however, had me believing he was bad. It's almost like night and day!
But maybe they figure, at this point, everyone knows the outcome anyway since DH was released last year, so why bother too hard to convince anyone that's he's evil? Just show Snape as a more open book; show his pain, as it were. It sorta makes sense... now.
JustAnIllusion July 31st, 2009, 7:19 pm I would have had Christian Coulson play the teenage Tom Riddle. I don't care how old he is, they could have made him look young enough. It's not like he was onscreen for very long.
Well, I would've just added Coulson alongside the scene where YoungVoldy comes to inquire about the DADA position :cool:. Also, the one thing I would've changed in this movie... more fear, intimidation, and Tom Riddle.
GreekGeek July 31st, 2009, 7:28 pm One thing I would have changed is more explaining of the Horcruxes and more of the memories. Also, a larger emphasis on the Half-blood Prince, I mean, after it IS the title!
Jezabel July 31st, 2009, 11:58 pm Well I would have changed alot of things...
Number 1 being the explanation of the horcruxes ( I know this has been said alot before) but tis was the main point of the story really. I would loved to have seen more, if not all of the memories but if that wasn't possible for whatever reason then DD and Harry should have at least have a pointed discussion about them with DD telling Harry about the objects of The Hogwarts Founders and reminding him how much Hogwarts meant to Voldemort. DD should at least have mentioned that Slytherin had a locket, then Harry would maybe have guessed, after discovering that the locket he and DD got was a fake, that the real horcrux was Slytherin's locket which could lead him to guess that the other Horcruxes are things belonging to the other Hogwarts founders. I'm thinking that in DH it will be Hermione that tells Harry about the magical objects of the Four Founders.
Another is that I definitely think they should have had DD's funeral. And DDs death scene as a whole wasn't as emotional as expected. I didn't even cry, whereas while reading the book it literally sobbed :upset: lol
And that the Ginny/Harry relationship should have been more, if not completely like the book. There just wasn't enough of them together. And, as someone said before, it didn't portray Ginny the way she really is. The movie made it look as if she were still pining for Harry.
I think the y could have cut the Attack at the Burrow scene and Draco testing the vanishing cabinet and substituted it for more memories, DD's funeral and more Harry/Ginney. IMO :)
FirstOne617 August 1st, 2009, 6:21 am I'd've gotten rid of the Burrow scene in favor of memories and Horcruxes. That was a good 20 minutes of random, Hollywood license that could have been used elsewhere. Other than that, though, I thought the movie was great, except for Hermione being a little too outwardly emotional. The way they did it in the movie, Hermione did everything short of kissing Ron on the mouth (and projected her little fantasy of doing just that in the Three Broomsticks) and Ron ignored her. Ron was more of a tool in this movie than in the book. Lavender was a revenge deal, not an ignorance one.
dchristen03 August 1st, 2009, 8:42 am Oh, and not to forget, I wanted to see at least a BIT of battle scene at the end.
I remember there being a picture of Ron and Hermione staring up at the Dark Mark from inside the common room, and I know that was nearing the battle scene. They should've kept that scene!
Insomniatic August 1st, 2009, 12:28 pm moved the Ginny and Harry thing faster, I wanted them to kiss every single scene they were together in, the tension was so there, I was almost screaming at the scene for them to make out.
and changed that weird thing they all do at the end after Dumbledore dies, it's just, inappropriate and weird, and I didn't really understand it, I would put Hagrid and his reactions then instead to show the affect that DD had on hogwarts!
The movie made it look as if she were still pining for Harry.
not the way I see it, I saw it as her being a confident and secure woman, who flirts with Harry, but knows it will lead no-where, or so it seems, she doesn't appear desperate to me, at all, he appears way more desperate then her, he is pure wanting for her, but she seems ignorant of him...
I also would have added more of the horror and scaryness of Voldemort being back, I don't think the focused on it enough, they made the movie creepy, but they only focus on one incident and doesn't depict the scaryness of the world it's all happening in
Jezabel August 1st, 2009, 4:30 pm except for Hermione being a little too outwardly emotional. The way they did it in the movie, Hermione did everything short of kissing Ron on the mouth (and projected her little fantasy of doing just that in the Three Broomsticks) and Ron ignored her. Ron was more of a tool in this movie than in the book. Lavender was a revenge deal, not an ignorance one.
I agree Hermione's not like that at all really. She's more of the suffer in silence type. And Ron was kind of a jerk to her:grumble:
SiriusBlack101 August 1st, 2009, 5:53 pm I remember there being a picture of Ron and Hermione staring up at the Dark Mark from inside the common room, and I know that was nearing the battle scene. They should've kept that scene!
That was during the montage after Harry and Dumbledore are leaving the cave, before they return. There was also a choir, though the music remains in the scene I believe.
xFluerDelacourx August 1st, 2009, 7:39 pm I would have liked to see more emphasis put on the Half-Blood Prince as many above said. Afterall its the title and a major plot story in the book. It was the only thing that really dissapointed me alot.
I would have liked to see less romance and filling in those scenes with showing whats going on with DE side and muggle world.
And they could have at least mentioned Fleur and Bill's wedding.
SiriusBlack101 August 1st, 2009, 7:53 pm And they could have at least mentioned Fleur and Bill's wedding.
That would have had no meaning to the audience though. Not to mention the fact that the filmmakers probably didn't know for sure if they'd be including the wedding or the characters at all in DH (we still don't know that for sure, though it seems fairly likely now).
Midnightsfire August 1st, 2009, 10:34 pm Hmm...The ONE thing I would change...
How about the entire script?
:grumble:
Jezabel August 2nd, 2009, 1:48 am I think they should have mentioned the wedding too. Just in a casual conversation, perhaps Ron would get a letter about it and he'd mention it to Harry and Hermione. Because as it is now in DH they're all of a sudden going to re-introduce Fleur and we'll see Bill for the first time and they're going to be getting married without any previous mention of them even being in a relationship. If there's anyone who hasn't read the books they're going to be really confused... :hmm:
Hmm...The ONE thing I would change...
How about the entire script?
:grumble:
LOL. Yeah. I did like the movie but it could have been ALOt better :shrug:
Busterella August 2nd, 2009, 8:31 pm I would have had the entire Ron Weasley/love potion scene from his first falling victim to the poisoned wine followed exactly as it was written in the book since the book version was much more funny than the abbreviated movie version.
GryffindorGirl5 August 5th, 2009, 8:53 pm I would have had more quidditch scenes! seeing as how I am in love with Quidditch and everything i'd love to see more quidditch..in the first movie it had almost 9 minutes of it! i would have like to seen harry playing it more also! :]
lovehedwig August 5th, 2009, 9:06 pm More Remus/Tonks and the actually STORY of their relationship. I mean, Tonks had a hair change for a reason, and that was because she was depressed, with the combination of Sirius's death AND Lupin telling her they couldn't be together. Well, it makes sense not to mention that she was sad about Sirius's death, considering they didn't even mention they're related (wait, did they even show that they were related in OotP? I don't remember). But, like I said, they changed her hair, and people would be wondering about that, wouldn't they? They weren't even together until the beginning of DH, but in HBP, Tonks is already calling Lupin "sweetheart." They just made their whole relationship seem random because there were no background info about it, not even any interactions between them that made you think it could happen. It just irked me because I absolutely love Remus/Tonks. I understand that there is a time constraint on the movies, and not every little detail can be put in, but I think this was just one thing they could of included. Instead of cutting out little, but important, details, they added in unnecessary scenes, like the Burrow attack (even though it was a good, exciting and suspenseful scene).
There wasn't a lot of Remus/Tonks in the book, yes, but there was quite a bit of Tonk's sadness. She was the one who should have saved Harry at the Hogwarts Express, not Luna (but I still love Evanna Lynch as Luna; she's brilliant). I just wish they put in a bit more of the minor characters who play pretty big roles in saving Harry's life.
I loved the movie, but they could have added a bit more to it, like, at least, a little battle at Hogwarts. It could have just been a tiny bit of action between the Order and the Death Eaters, but it was just the Death Eaters wreaking havoc on the school. And I really wished there was a funeral for Dumbledore, just because it would make his death a lot more emotional and sad, but I guess the dedication to him by raising their wands was fine.
Rant over. sorry about that guys. :whistle:
HollieWeasley August 5th, 2009, 9:11 pm I would of developed the Harry/Ginny relationship more...because Ginny is my fave character and that kiss was laaame.
Wulfric_Potter August 5th, 2009, 9:29 pm I would have left out the burrow scene and instead added some more Quidditch and more Luna. One of my favorite characters throughout the books. She's awesome. Love her.
bellatrix10143 August 5th, 2009, 11:11 pm more of a battle scene at the end of the movie they didnt do that and that bothered me.and also more memories and more detailed scenes with harry and dumbledore.
RemusLupinFan August 5th, 2009, 11:44 pm More Remus/Tonks and the actually STORY of their relationship.I agree with you there, I would love to have seen more of Remus and Tonks (but especially Remus). In general, I'd have liked to see more of the adult characters. I'd have also liked to see the fight scene at Hogwarts between the Death Eaters and the former DA members.
soccermum August 6th, 2009, 2:50 am There is a lot to choose from - put the battle scene in, remove the burrow scene, have Tonks recognizable in the film, but I'm just back from 6th viewing and have come to the conclusion that the most massacred scene is the one in the three broomsticks, they tried to do too much and it fell flat. Harry is supposed to realize his feelings for Ginny when he sees her kissing Dean and he is too busy trying to catch the eye of Slughorn to really notice and then they threw in the nonsense with Hermione.
Also agree with the poster who mentioned how they missed the boat on a lot of Ron/Lavender had to do with him finding out that Hermione snogged Krum. He is jealous, not oblivious. If they would have left the Dean/Ginny scene as written in the book that dimension could have been explored and it would have showed us the feisty side of Ginny.
Jezabel August 6th, 2009, 3:20 am They should have had Hagrid come out of his house at the end and tried to help Harry or yell or something. His house was on fire after all.
LionsDisciple August 6th, 2009, 3:49 am There were a lot of elements in this movie that annoyed me. Ginny's character wasn't butchered so much as it was hardly shown at all. I could barely get a feel for the type of person that she was. It would have been quite a bit better if she had been not only a bigger part of this movie, but also the last movie as well, so that you could really get to know her character. She is my favorite girl from the story, and one of my top favorite characters of all, but you hardly knew her in these movies, which made the entire romance with her and Harry seem to sort of come out of nowhere. If I had not read the books I wouldn't have understood it at all. Their little blossoming romance was also not really done spectacularly, feeling more artificial then his romance with Cho, rather then the other way around. I did like a couple of the smaller scenes with Harry and Ginny, but the kiss was terrible.
Also, Ginny is supposed to defend his use of Sectumsempra against Malfoy, not tell him that he has to get rid of the book!? Why is she so out of character here? Just to set up that kiss? LAME!!!
Also, why was this movie called Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince? Was that even a part of the movie? I mean seriously, what was there? Harry finds the book, but then it is supposed to become a central part of the whole thing. Him being a genious in potions all of a sudden and finding all sorts of new spells to try out. That is what makes the sudden danger of the Sectumsempra spell make Harry feel like he has been betrayed. Hermione is supposed to be furious with Harry for using the book, and he is supposed to just love it and they are supposed to make a big deal out of finding out who it is supposed to be, and everything. The Half-Blood Prince didn't feel like it was an important part of the movie at all, just a means to get Felix, which was a means to get to Slughorn's memories. It was so underdone.
Finally, Dumbledore should have taken the time to explain that Voldemorts Horcruxes were going to be rare and powerful objects, rather then implying that Harry is right to suspect that they are nothing objects. I mean really, it would have taken another...what?...minute for him to say that Voldemort was a collector of trophies and obsessed with the Hogwarts founders...maybe not even that. Seriously, that could have been handled better.
Oh and one last thing. What was with how Snape killed Dumbledore at the end? He is described as charging up to him with a look of fury on his face and positively screaming Avada Kedavera at him. It was a pathetic attempt at best what they did there. Snape looked positively remorseful! And then when Harry chases him out, Harry's attacks are not bad, but when he calls Snape a coward Snape is supposed to scream "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" back at Harry. Harry's insistance that Snape is bad through the whole story is also very much underplayed. Harry is supposed to be absolutely adamant about it and then Snape's apparent betrayal is supposed to be made all the more impacting for it. His revelation of being the Half-Blood Prince was also limp, and as I said, was made all the more unimpressive by how minimal the whole importance of the Half-Blood Prince was. I saw the movie with my Grandpa, who is the sharpest man I know, and he actually asked me "who?" at this and I had to remind him about the book that Harry found.
I would have made this series into nine movies rather then eight. Splitting both Deathly Hallows AND Half-Blood Prince into two. Perhaps Order of the Phoenix as well, for ten.
RebeccaMatthews August 6th, 2009, 9:13 pm Having read the books I found it hard to follow along with what was happening. The story was blotchy and there was nothing really tying it all together in any form. The opening sequence was cool, but nothing followed what happened in the muggle world. If I could change anything it would be having something tie the entire movie together.
Alyssabelle August 7th, 2009, 3:33 am Having read the books I found it hard to follow along with what was happening. The story was blotchy and there was nothing really tying it all together in any form. The opening sequence was cool, but nothing followed what happened in the muggle world. If I could change anything it would be having something tie the entire movie together.
Same here. The Ginny/Harry ship felt very rocky.
And it made no sense for the Millennium bridge to collapse. Construction hadn't even began on it, according to J.K.R.'s timeline!
Now, as for the one thing I would've changed, was not burning down the burrow and replacing it with Horcrux info.
I mean, come on, how are we going to have the wedding now that the Burrow is burned down?
LionsDisciple August 7th, 2009, 3:37 am Same here. The Ginny/Harry ship felt very rocky.
And it made no sense for the Millennium bridge to collapse. Construction hadn't even began on it, according to J.K.R.'s timeline!
Now, as for the one thing I would've changed, was not burning down the burrow and replacing it with Horcrux info.
I mean, come on, how are we going to have the wedding now that the Burrow is burned down?
Well these people are magic you know, so I am sure that they can fix it up pretty quickly. Quicker then we can at least.
Of course that begs the question, what was the point in the first place? Isn't the dramatic effect wasted when somthing can just be so easily repared?
Clockworthy August 7th, 2009, 8:17 pm If I could change one thing, I'd probably include more points in the actual story (You're lucky I chose this, I was going to say put Cormac in there much more).
Half of the time, people were just running around with only three threads connected to parts of story canon that had any relevance.
danno August 8th, 2009, 3:33 am There were a few things that I would have changed, but the worst thing for me was the happy music during the credits. Seriously, what were they thinking? That was probably the worst decision in any movie. Dumbledore gets murdered, and they go and play happy music?
lovehedwig August 8th, 2009, 3:50 am ah, posted here already, but I just watched HBP again and realized how tactless the last scene was, especially when Ginny and Harry's relationship was brought up. Ron didn't even SAY anything. That's why I really wanted Dumbledore's funeral to be put it. It was just so emotional, but the ending to this left me feeling a little bit lost and thinking that Dumbledore deserved a better "goodbye."
ivybug14 August 8th, 2009, 8:38 pm i would have added the funeral and took out that STUPID scene where the burrow burned down
SevrusSnape August 8th, 2009, 9:14 pm ah, posted here already, but I just watched HBP again and realized how tactless the last scene was, especially when Ginny and Harry's relationship was brought up. Ron didn't even SAY anything. That's why I really wanted Dumbledore's funeral to be put it. It was just so emotional, but the ending to this left me feeling a little bit lost and thinking that Dumbledore deserved a better "goodbye."
I'm sure in DH we will see some sort of tribute to him whether it's a dedicated scene or something similar to the start of HBP but maybe a bit longer. They need something though
LindaZhu August 8th, 2009, 9:55 pm There were a lot of elements in this movie that annoyed me. Ginny's character wasn't butchered so much as it was hardly shown at all. I could barely get a feel for the type of person that she was. It would have been quite a bit better if she had been not only a bigger part of this movie, but also the last movie as well, so that you could really get to know her character. She is my favorite girl from the story, and one of my top favorite characters of all, but you hardly knew her in these movies, which made the entire romance with her and Harry seem to sort of come out of nowhere. If I had not read the books I wouldn't have understood it at all. Their little blossoming romance was also not really done spectacularly, feeling more artificial then his romance with Cho, rather then the other way around. I did like a couple of the smaller scenes with Harry and Ginny, but the kiss was terrible.
Also, Ginny is supposed to defend his use of Sectumsempra against Malfoy, not tell him that he has to get rid of the book!? Why is she so out of character here? Just to set up that kiss? LAME!!!
Also, why was this movie called Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince? Was that even a part of the movie? I mean seriously, what was there? Harry finds the book, but then it is supposed to become a central part of the whole thing. Him being a genious in potions all of a sudden and finding all sorts of new spells to try out. That is what makes the sudden danger of the Sectumsempra spell make Harry feel like he has been betrayed. Hermione is supposed to be furious with Harry for using the book, and he is supposed to just love it and they are supposed to make a big deal out of finding out who it is supposed to be, and everything. The Half-Blood Prince didn't feel like it was an important part of the movie at all, just a means to get Felix, which was a means to get to Slughorn's memories. It was so underdone.
Finally, Dumbledore should have taken the time to explain that Voldemorts Horcruxes were going to be rare and powerful objects, rather then implying that Harry is right to suspect that they are nothing objects. I mean really, it would have taken another...what?...minute for him to say that Voldemort was a collector of trophies and obsessed with the Hogwarts founders...maybe not even that. Seriously, that could have been handled better.
Oh and one last thing. What was with how Snape killed Dumbledore at the end? He is described as charging up to him with a look of fury on his face and positively screaming Avada Kedavera at him. It was a pathetic attempt at best what they did there. Snape looked positively remorseful! And then when Harry chases him out, Harry's attacks are not bad, but when he calls Snape a coward Snape is supposed to scream "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" back at Harry. Harry's insistance that Snape is bad through the whole story is also very much underplayed. Harry is supposed to be absolutely adamant about it and then Snape's apparent betrayal is supposed to be made all the more impacting for it. His revelation of being the Half-Blood Prince was also limp, and as I said, was made all the more unimpressive by how minimal the whole importance of the Half-Blood Prince was. I saw the movie with my Grandpa, who is the sharpest man I know, and he actually asked me "who?" at this and I had to remind him about the book that Harry found.
I would have made this series into nine movies rather then eight. Splitting both Deathly Hallows AND Half-Blood Prince into two. Perhaps Order of the Phoenix as well, for ten.
i agree with everything except for the part about splitting OotP, HBP andDH. we don't need TEN harry potter movies, Dan, Rupert, and Emma would be middle-aged by the time they were done.
MyHeroIsLuna August 8th, 2009, 9:59 pm Besides the fact they butchered the Ginny/Harry kiss scene, left the battle of Hogwarts to only the Deathly Hallows movie, added a weird Death Eaters destroying the Burrow scene, lack of quality Quidditch scenes, few meaningful memories of Riddle, and the completely left out Dumbledore's funeral (which would have been an amazing scene) I did not like the cinematic choices throughout the movie.
Mainly the fact that it looked like it was filmed through a soft lens and the background was fuzzy and blurred for a good portion of the movie.
Apheka August 9th, 2009, 9:24 am I would have Dumbledore and Harry in the broom shed because we're not told in the film that Dumbledore has given Harry permission to tell only Ron and Hermione what he will be doing. Harry just appearing in the middle of the stream seemed stupid and as has been mentioned, the Burrow is supposed to be crawling with magical enchantments to keep him safe.
I would have Harry immobilized in the Tower. It was totally out of character for him to do nothing when he could help. Snape in the book was furious because Dumbledore made him promise to kill him plus he'd made the unbreakable vow to save Draco and this didn't come across.
SevrusSnape August 9th, 2009, 10:32 am Snape in the book was furious because Dumbledore made him promise to kill him plus he'd made the unbreakable vow to save Draco and this didn't come across.
Both of these things were brought up in the movie, what movie were you watching? Or am I missing the point of what you're saying?
mrfutterman August 9th, 2009, 3:47 pm Cut a chunk of Qudditch and rom-com and use the time to beef up the HBP plotline. Emphasize the antagonism between Harry and Snape: real dramatic meat not fluffy filler.
Apheka August 10th, 2009, 11:16 am 'SeverusSnape', I meant that those scenes in the film weren't as strong as they were written in the book. When you think about it Dumbledore was almost forcing Snape to be a murderer.
Would the scene have worked better if Snape had immobilized Harry?
SevrusSnape August 10th, 2009, 6:53 pm Would the scene have worked better if Snape had immobilized Harry?
It would of been so much better because then Snape wouldn't of come up and given the Shh sign to Harry and for Harry to stand there and do nothing is also pretty un-Harry like. I was really really upset with this scene no being more true to the book
Scissors August 10th, 2009, 7:00 pm More potion scenes, probably. Or maybe add a little more duelling.
There is fairly less I want to change, other than those things. I think it's not so cool we didn't see Harry actually use the book for more potions other than Living Death. (I might have missed a scene or two, only saw it once.)
Jezabel August 10th, 2009, 7:48 pm Would the scene have worked better if Snape had immobilized Harry?
But if Snape had immobilized Harry how would harry have gotten out of it? The reason Harry got out of the immobilization spell in the book is because Dumbledore died.
LionsDisciple August 10th, 2009, 8:43 pm i agree with everything except for the part about splitting OotP, HBP andDH. we don't need TEN harry potter movies, Dan, Rupert, and Emma would be middle-aged by the time they were done.
Nah, not if you did them one on top of the other with no break inbetween. Of course this isn't exactly fair to the actors but...I'm willing to bear it if it's for the good of the story :p
Perhaps just HPB and DH then. :shrug:
LindaZhu August 10th, 2009, 8:44 pm this has probably been said 12837065873460517934659761039475601948650713650796 1304765457 times in this thread, but
WHERE WERE THE HORCRUXES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Jezabel August 10th, 2009, 9:18 pm I think HBP just should have been longer. They could have added an extra half hour and they could have fit in much more, like more Riddle memories. Plus they definitely should have cut the burning of the burrow scene and put in the battle at the end :grumble:
Noldus August 10th, 2009, 11:02 pm I think HBP just should have been longer. They could have added an extra half hour and they could have fit in much more, like more Riddle memories. Plus they definitely should have cut the burning of the burrow scene and put in the battle at the end :grumble:
I agree. The Burrow attack was really lame. They should at least had intruduced Bill and having Greyback attacking him or a battle between Greyback and Lupin. I didn't really get why Bellatrix and Greyback waited so long time before they shot spells at Harry and Ginny. That was a boring part of that scene.
JackFish August 11th, 2009, 12:28 am I hated the way Harry/Ginny was portrayed. It was all ridiculously awkward, when it wasn't like that at all in the book, and we didn't see anything of Ginny to show why Harry actually started to become attracted to her either, just some stupid awkward moments, grr.
That said, I hated that Harry wasn't immobilised when Dumbledore died. It's just so out of character for him not to have done anything - when Snape told him to "shh" there's no way he would have listened either, he suspected Snape all year. It might have been difficult to explain him being immobilised, but Dumbledore could have at least explained that he was doing it, or something, on hearing the footsteps.
phishychan August 11th, 2009, 12:33 am this has probably been said 12837065873460517934659761039475601948650713650796 1304765457 times in this thread, but
WHERE WERE THE HORCRUXES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I couldn't agree more. My friends who sat next to me during the movie were confused, so I had to miss part of the movie, JUST to explain what Horcruxes were :grumble:
I would also have gotten rid of the idiotic beginning of the movie. It was a bit corny, and I would have been much more pleased if Dumbledore picked Harry up at the Dursley's.
danno August 11th, 2009, 1:51 am I thought they did a good job explaining the horcruxes.
MinervasCat August 11th, 2009, 2:20 am The one thing I would have changed: The Director
Bring back Chris Columbus
SevrusSnape August 11th, 2009, 6:30 am But if Snape had immobilized Harry how would harry have gotten out of it? The reason Harry got out of the immobilization spell in the book is because Dumbledore died.
Yea I read what you quoted wrong before, I read it as DD immobilizing him. If Snape did it well than it wouldn't of worked out the right way. He still should of been immobilized from DD.
Hysteria August 11th, 2009, 8:52 am this has probably been said 12837065873460517934659761039475601948650713650796 1304765457 times in this thread, but
WHERE WERE THE HORCRUXES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
IMO they explained horcruxed quite well. My boyfriend and sister (both non-book readers) both understood what they were. The only real difference from the book is that Dumbledore didn't go into all the boreish detail. Harry can easily explain things in DH. A few lines will clear it up.
I think HBP just should have been longer. They could have added an extra half hour and they could have fit in much more, like more Riddle memories. Plus they definitely should have cut the burning of the burrow scene and put in the battle at the end :grumble:
I think the last thing it needed was to be longer. If they cut out the (IMO) silly and pointless scenes like the waitress bit and the "attack" on the Burrow they could have fit a couple more things in that were
a) in the story
b) important to the story
Apheka August 11th, 2009, 9:25 am Jezabel, I thought about that later but Snape could have lifted the spell as he hurried Draco and the others away. I saw the film again today and Dumbledore and Snape really got to me this time. I could see the pleading in Dumbledore's eyes and Snape steeling himself to do it.
Lennon August 12th, 2009, 5:02 am I would have changed a lot to be honest, but I do think there will be a method to the writers and directors maddness when it comes to leaving out certain things that we all wanted to see.
IE the burrow burned cause there likley wont be a wedding in DH. Or they can just fix it, after all they are wizards.
I have read a lot of poeple disliked the harry ginny chemistry and it was "uncomfortable" or "awkward" are words I have been seeing alot. It seemed to mesh well to me though I liked their scenes together some were tacky yes, but come on LOVE is tacky in general they seemed to work well together. Although great don't get me wrong!
I would take out all the burrow scene and add memories and horcrux discussion. Movie would have been 10 times better off. I still am at a loss as to how they will introduce harry to clues about the other horcruxes in DH, that is my concern?
SevrusSnape August 12th, 2009, 5:27 am I would have changed a lot to be honest, but I do think there will be a method to the writers and directors maddness when it comes to leaving out certain things that we all wanted to see.
IE the burrow burned cause there likley wont be a wedding in DH. Or they can just fix it, after all they are wizards.
The wedding scene is in the movie and I believe that it's already been filmed.
Edit. Actually the filming of the wedding scene is being filmed now
Apheka August 13th, 2009, 7:18 am I agree. The Burrow attack was really lame. They should at least had intruduced Bill and having Greyback attacking him or a battle between Greyback and Lupin. I didn't really get why Bellatrix and Greyback waited so long time before they shot spells at Harry and Ginny. That was a boring part of that scene.
I would have said the Burrow attack was lame but thinking about the look on Molly Weasley's face as Bellatrix sets the house on fire then you can see the start of Molly's quest to finish her in DH. Having said that I never imagined The Burrow being set in fields in the middle of nowhere.
arithmancer August 16th, 2009, 2:21 am I would have added a bit more duelling/dialogue in the scene between Harry and Snape at the end. I thought it needed just a bit more "oomph".
wickedwickedboy August 16th, 2009, 4:26 am I think I would have added a scene with the older Voldemort (Ralph Fines). I know he wasn't in the book, but I think like they added the Burrows fire, they could have done a cut scene to Voldy, just to show he was still up and running things behind the scenes. Perhaps him meeting with Draco or something. The younger actors doing Voldy were great - but that was all flashbacks and I thought the idea of lurking darkness would have been accentuated by having Voldy appear...
MinervasCat August 16th, 2009, 4:35 am The whole section about the burning of the Burrow. This time could have been better used, IMO, for the Battle for the Astronomy Tower, or, Dumbledore's Funeral.
witchsmart August 16th, 2009, 4:36 am I would have shown at least one scene from a DADA class. I mean, Snape finally gets to teach Defense Against the Dark Arts after all of these years, and we never even get to see a class with him!
Either that, or I would have put in the "Dumbledore's man through and through" line, though that could be incorporated into the Deathly Hallows movie.
Noldus August 16th, 2009, 9:26 am I think I would have added a scene with the older Voldemort (Ralph Fines). I know he wasn't in the book, but I think like they added the Burrows fire, they could have done a cut scene to Voldy, just to show he was still up and running things behind the scenes. Perhaps him meeting with Draco or something. The younger actors doing Voldy were great - but that was all flashbacks and I thought the idea of lurking darkness would have been accentuated by having Voldy appear...
I agree on this. It could've been a scary scene after the opening scene. You know, Draco walking down the streets when suddenly Voldemort appears. Draco could heard a sound, then suddenly Voldemort would put his hand at Draco's shoulder or Draco would turn around to see Voldemort's face. That would make the audience to jump in their seats. I think a lot of close-up would fit that short but effective scene. Voldemort: "Draco, come with me. I have a mission to offer you". Then it could cut to Harry waiting for Dumbledore.
DarkLord7 September 6th, 2009, 12:52 am They needed to add the "I am with you..." Scene!
I loved that part. Almost brought a tear to my eye. :sad:
potterrifick October 15th, 2009, 7:47 am The waitress scene at the beginning. Totally inappropriate.
melissa62442 November 22nd, 2009, 11:01 am well obviously they should have included dumbly's funeral, that's a given. i would change the ginny/harry kiss, because dan looked weird.
DA93 November 22nd, 2009, 11:35 am The waitress scene at the beginning. Totally inappropriate.
Yeah, why on earth would Harry walk around in London and on the tube when Voldemort is looking for him. It just seems really wierd that he will put himself in that danger. If i don't remember wrong, Dumbledore told Harry to stay close to the house that summer.
The scene at the Burrow in the christmas also was really stupid. The building that was protected by the order and the ministry and Bellatrix and Greyback managed to get to the house seems, REALLY stupid. I would have cut that scene :no:
Electricfeel November 22nd, 2009, 11:41 am Overall less of the Teen Romance. I disliked this in the book too, though.
Rush November 22nd, 2009, 9:28 pm The waitress scene at the beginning. Totally inappropriate.
I completely agree. As much as I disliked the Attack on the Burrow, I just couldn't get passed how awful and inappropriate that waitress scene was. It started the movie off on a bad note to me.
jan74 November 22nd, 2009, 9:43 pm The waitress scene at the beginning. Totally inappropriate.
Inappropriate in what way? Because Harry Potter puts himself in danger without needing to do so?
Melisa November 22nd, 2009, 9:59 pm I agree with all of the above :tu: except for the teen romance, I wanted more not less, because that is one of the main themes of the book, IMO, and it contributed a lot to character development.
Another thing I would change is Dumbledore's death scene, I didn't like it at all, so much was said (both explicitly and implicitly), so much was decided then and there...In the movie, I felt it was just a couple of lines, AK and that was it.
mrfutterman November 22nd, 2009, 11:33 pm Cut back on the teen romance narrative fluff to make room for material which illustrate the story - why Harry is not like Voldemort and Voldemort is not like Harry, despite the similarities in their backgrounds (both are neglected orphans, etc.).
KlausBaudelaire November 22nd, 2009, 11:49 pm Cut back on the teen romance narrative fluff to make room for material which illustrate the story - why Harry is not like Voldemort and Voldemort is not like Harry, despite the similarities in their backgrounds (both are neglected orphans, etc.).
Absolutely :tu: the absence of all this makes the memories and the climax of the film totally worthless imho.
BigWings January 3rd, 2010, 5:36 pm The scene at the Burrow in the christmas also was really stupid. The building that was protected by the order and the ministry and Bellatrix and Greyback managed to get to the house seems, REALLY stupid. I would have cut that scene :no:
I hated that scene in the movie. It was totally wrong as you have said, and I don't think it even serves a point in the movie. Nothing really happens in it:td:
I would also like Dumbledore to wear his half-moon spectacles.
Kanksha January 3rd, 2010, 6:15 pm Having Ron sit there with Hermione and Harry during the final scene on the tower and let him actually participate in the discussion instead of standing to the side looking sulky, so that it seems like an actual Trio.
Lorena January 3rd, 2010, 6:31 pm Yeah, why on earth would Harry walk around in London and on the tube when Voldemort is looking for him. It just seems really wierd that he will put himself in that danger. If i don't remember wrong, Dumbledore told Harry to stay close to the house that summer.
I agree. Besides when movie 5 started, Harry was a mess. He was having nightmares about Cedric dying, but now in movie 6 after Sirius died, Harry is happily picking up waitresses in the subway????. When I watched the movie for the first time that scene was so odd to me, I hated it.
Having Ron sit there with Hermione and Harry during the final scene on the tower and let him actually participate in the discussion instead of standing to the side looking sulky, so that it seems like an actual Trio.
Exactly. I have been having that feeling lately. That the "trio" has become a "duo". Harry and Hermione. Ron feels like a secondary character who does nothing and eats whatever he can. I look at them and think; are those two best friends? Doesn't seem like it.
FurryDice January 3rd, 2010, 6:44 pm Having Ron sit there with Hermione and Harry during the final scene on the tower and let him actually participate in the discussion instead of standing to the side looking sulky, so that it seems like an actual Trio.
That annoyed me no end as well. The exclusion and dumbing down of Ron has been going on since long before HBP though and it's 100% my least favourite thing about the movies. :grumble: Lorena is right, the movie-makers seem to be trying to turn the trio into a duo.
The waitress scene at the beginning doesn't make sense either, Harry out taking the Tube just for fun and flirting with a waitress when he should be somewhere safe? It was just thrown in to set the tone for the raging hormones in the rest of the film, imo, without making sure it made sense.
I also think more of the Tom Riddle memories should have been shown - Voldemort's backstory was my favourite part of HBP and I always thought discovering how he became what he did was one of the most important plots of that book.
Jack5555 January 3rd, 2010, 7:45 pm I am torn between three things:
House elves: Dobby dies in the next movie, and I know they are going to incorporate him more into DH Part 1, but I am just not seeing how this could properly be done. It would have added a whole 10 minutes to the movie to put in Dobby and Kreacher, and it would help out a lot with DH.
Lupin/Tonks: They both die in the next film (well in two films) and they were almost an afterthought in HBP. Tonks had 3 lines, one of which was just "Remus!". No mention of what her name was, which confused some of my "non-book reader friends". I had to explain that it was Tonks and that she just changed her hair color. This would have added to the whole "romance" angle of HBP if the L/T relationship/struggle was kept.
PROPER character introductions: THIS BUGGED ME SO MUCH! The name "Lavender Brown" was not said ONCE during the entire movie. Ron refers to her as "Lav" twice though, and you see Lavender draw an "L" on the window of the Hogwarts Express, but that is it. I again had to explain this to people. It would not have been hard at all for someone to say "Lavender" at least once. I have found several spots in the movie that would not take up any extra time to throw the name in. Also, Greyback was not properly introduced. The only time his name had any sort of mention was on a poster in Knockturn Alley, which was shown for all of 3 seconds. It would have added just a minute to the movie if Lupin said who he was at the Burrow before the attack. Pansy Parkinson should have had her name said once too, since this is what, the 3rd actress to play her? Again, it could have easily have been said by Draco on the Hogwarts Express. Finally, the other Death Eaters on the Astronomy Tower should have had an introduction, or at least Amycus and Alecto. Yaxley too. Those three each have an important minor role in DH, so it would be nice to know who they are now.
LoonyForMoony January 4th, 2010, 3:40 am Okay, I've got more than one thing here... let's see. :lol:
More Tom Riddle memories. The ones that did made it into the film are incredibly well done, and are some of my favorite scenes. I'd love to see the bit where Voldemort comes to apply for the DADA post- I can see both Ralph Fiennes and Frank Dillane pulling off the half-transformed Riddle incredibly well. And even if they decided to leave out the Gaunts and Hepzibah Smith, there could have been additional discussion of the Horcruxes: what they might be, and possible locations. According to the movie as it stands, Dumbledore is now dead and the cup, the diadem, and Nagini have not been mentioned as horcrux-candidates (the cup and the diadem haven't been mentioned at all, in fact), and there's no plausible way for Harry to figure out anything about them.
I don't think the decision to have Ginny tell Harry to get rid of the Half-blood Prince's book and taking him to the Room of Requirement (and their kiss taking place there, of all places) was the best idea. And, of course, this is tied in with the Sectumsempra scene, with which I was not at all satisfied. I would re-work that entire section of the movie if I could, and return the hiding of the book and the H/G kiss to their proper places; as well as adding a lot more emotion from Harry during the Sectumsempra scene. (Has anyone else noticed that when the Harry from the book cries/screams/falls to his knees, the Harry from the movie just stands and looks puzzled? It's quite irritating.) Also, Snape's reaction to Harry using his own spell on Draco was quite anticlimactic. He's absolutely livid in the book- in the movie he hardly gives Harry a glance.
In a continuation from my last point, I really don't think the titular book itself got enough development in the film. JK did it brilliantly- slowly building the drama, starting with the book giving Harry helpful tips in class, to teaching him dishonest little spells, then more dangerous ones, then to a horrible spell like Sectumsempra, and then, finally, the dramatic revelation of the Half-blood Prince's true identity right when you hate him most. Really, the book had such a small part in the film that I'm sure some non-readers were confused as to why the movie is named after it.
I'd redo the ending of the movie to include the battle, the scene in the hospital wing, and probably Dumbledore's funeral as well; although the funeral could have more impact if included at the beginning of DH. I realize that the filmmakers left out the battle in order to avoid redundancy with the final battle in Deathly Hallows, but the fact that they omitted it really negates the entire Vanishing Cabinet plot. Are we supposed to believe that they went though all trouble that so that Draco could have some moral support from his aunt while he killed Dumbledore? A failed attempt to take over the castle makes the whole thing much more believable. And all of the hospital wing scene, including the Lupin and Tonks' drama, the Phoenix song, Harry breaking the news of Snape's supposed treachery, etc, is gone. Instead there's a rather pointless scene with Harry dawdling around in Dumbledore's office.
I'd like to have just a bit of visual evidence in the film that Snape actually is teaching DADA! The jinx on the position hasn't been as big a theme in the movies as it is in the books, but all of the five previous teachers have at least gotten some screen time in their respective films. However, in HBP, there's just that one hurried line by Dumbledore indicating that Snape will be filling the position- but there's no scenes in his class! Not even a reference to it again! I felt that this was a badly judged omission, especially since the whole darn movie is named after Snape!
There's a lot more stuff I would change/omit if I could, but these are the largest issues for me. All that said, I still thing HBP stands head and shoulders above the other Potter films, and was a nice build-up for Deathly Hallows!
Apheka January 5th, 2010, 8:03 am I would have cut the scene where the teachers are all standing around Ron's hospital bed and letting Lavender Brown rudely rush in and begin blabbing. Every time I watch it, I cringe because it doesn't ring true, it should have only involved Ron, Hermione, Lavender and Harry with Madame Pomfrey hovering. Explaining the poisoned mead should have been another scene altogether.
tommypman January 7th, 2010, 3:38 am 1. I would have included the Gaunt memory, I thought this was one of the most interesting parts of the book and I was dissapointed that it wasn't filmed.
2. Luna's quidditch commentary, I would have kept in, even if they had simply done it during the one quidditch match they showed.
3. Ron should have been with Harry and Hermione at the end. They are a trio, not a duo.
MinervasCat January 7th, 2010, 3:53 am Inappropriate in what way? Because Harry Potter puts himself in danger without needing to do so?
Unnecessary. Did not add to the story. Waitress commenting on how she thought she saw the pictures moving on Harry's newspaper. Harry would not have been that careless. Also, it just seemed to set him up as "on the make." This kind of spoiled his scenes with Ginny because it just seemed it was hormones and not love.
The way the scene in the Astronomy Tower was carried out. Where wer the rest of the Order members? Where were Ginny, Hermoine, Neville, Ron, and the rest who were fighting so hard in the book. It just reduced the scene to "let's just kill off Dumbledore and get it over with."
Nandi January 7th, 2010, 7:01 am I am torn between three things:
House elves: Dobby dies in the next movie, and I know they are going to incorporate him more into DH Part 1, but I am just not seeing how this could properly be done. It would have added a whole 10 minutes to the movie to put in Dobby and Kreacher, and it would help out a lot with DH.
Lupin/Tonks: They both die in the next film (well in two films) and they were almost an afterthought in HBP. Tonks had 3 lines, one of which was just "Remus!". No mention of what her name was, which confused some of my "non-book reader friends". I had to explain that it was Tonks and that she just changed her hair color. This would have added to the whole "romance" angle of HBP if the L/T relationship/struggle was kept.
PROPER character introductions: THIS BUGGED ME SO MUCH! The name "Lavender Brown" was not said ONCE during the entire movie. Ron refers to her as "Lav" twice though, and you see Lavender draw an "L" on the window of the Hogwarts Express, but that is it. I again had to explain this to people. It would not have been hard at all for someone to say "Lavender" at least once. I have found several spots in the movie that would not take up any extra time to throw the name in. Also, Greyback was not properly introduced. The only time his name had any sort of mention was on a poster in Knockturn Alley, which was shown for all of 3 seconds. It would have added just a minute to the movie if Lupin said who he was at the Burrow before the attack. Pansy Parkinson should have had her name said once too, since this is what, the 3rd actress to play her? Again, it could have easily have been said by Draco on the Hogwarts Express. Finally, the other Death Eaters on the Astronomy Tower should have had an introduction, or at least Amycus and Alecto. Yaxley too. Those three each have an important minor role in DH, so it would be nice to know who they are now.
Well as no one who is involved seems to care alot about the story nothing of this should surprise you.I saw a wiki about Harry Potter and there were lists of what they left our or changed and you could make a couple of movies with the things they left out or changed.
Especially after the first two movies.If a movie-maker wants it done as cheap as possible let them not do it at all.
Personally i would cut everything that did not happen from all the movies and include them with things that did.
Especially in movies GoF,OoPh and HBP.
Harry is no James Bond with a wand or a Don Juan. And that pointless attack on the Burrow what were they thinking off?
MistressofRaven January 7th, 2010, 7:40 am I would have made Snape angrier/meaner/nastier. I wanted to see anger when he killed Dumbledore. I wanted to see anger when he fought off Harry at the end. I wanted to see him taunt Harry about his father.
Salvio_Hexia January 7th, 2010, 10:20 am For me there are several things (since it is hard for a movie representation of a book to keep fans happy). And yes, I have three things, it is hard to keep it down to one!
1. When Harry and Ginny are in the Room of Requirement, Ginny hides the Half Blood Prince's Potions book, whereas in the sixth book Harry hides the potions book within the RoR beside the bust of an old man, wig and old tiara (Ravenclaw's lost diadem) incase he needs it again. This is how Harry remembers and finds where the diadem is in the Deathly Hallows. Yet in the movie of the DH he will have never seen it before.
2. I was expecting more of the memories Dumbledore collected to be shown throughout the film so that Harry would know which horcruxes to look for in DH, as has been said previously. Though the actors who played the younger Tom Riddle were perfect, definitely creeped me out.
3. Also, in the film Hermione wasn't trying to find out who the Half Blood Prince was (was she?) and we find out suddenly at the end that it was Snape, and these two things seem to not relate as there have been no hints or anything about it in the movie.
thefirestorm January 7th, 2010, 12:02 pm Ginny and Harry's relationship.
I would want them to kiss exactly like in the book.
And maybe have a few scenes which fully imply that they're a couple.
Even if it's just holding hands or quick shots of them sitting at the lake together.
Smitts January 7th, 2010, 4:55 pm The fight scene.
It did not seem as epic as the book.
I would have made sure they mentioned Gibbon dying.
and I would have shown the death eater blasting killing curses everywhere like a mad man and Ginny and the others dodging them with LUCK.
Amycus and Alecto would have definitely been introduced as the nasty twins.
LindaZhu January 7th, 2010, 5:33 pm i'm not sure if this has already been said, but i would change the whole focus on teenage romance in the movie. in the book, it was merely a sidenote that occasionally found its way into the plotline. in the movie, it became the whole story.
TheDarkLord72 January 8th, 2010, 11:36 pm Added the scene where you find out how Tom got the Ring from Morfin and basically more of the memories. To do this i would have cut the scene where Bellatrix sets fire to the Burrow.
goonie102 January 9th, 2010, 3:20 pm I myself if directing i would have the wandlight scene out and add a huge battle scene that is featured in the book and put in the movie
LindaZhu January 9th, 2010, 5:25 pm I myself if directing i would have the wandlight scene out and add a huge battle scene that is featured in the book and put in the movie
good point. i mean, it's not like there weren't enough "emotional" scenes in HBP already.
LyraLovegood January 9th, 2010, 5:47 pm First, instantaneous response on reading the thread title: serious consequences for Harry casting Sectumsempra at Draco.
2nd response: the thread title's grammar & punctuation. :p
;)
3rd response: lots of little things, but the thread title asks for one, so I won't clutter up the thread by listing them here! :D
BigWings January 10th, 2010, 2:52 pm Well, I know this thread only asks for one thing you would change but there is simply too many things I would change...
1. Harry and Ginny's relationship was handled very badly. It was so awkward in the movie rather than it being natural. Their kiss was meant to be spontaneous!.
2. The lack of punishment when Harry used the Sectumsempra Curse.
3. Dumbledore apparating out of Hogwarts.
4. The whole train station scene at the beginning of the film. What was the point in that?
5. The attack on the Burrow. I thought that the Burrow had protection from the MoM. Nothing happened in that scene anyway. What purpose does it serve in the film?
6. I was really disappointed with the Flight of the Prince. The other Death-Eaters infiltrated Hogwarts to destroy the Great Hall:grumble: There was no interesting fight. Snape and Malfoy could have walked out of Hogwarts alone.
captain Sparrow February 23rd, 2010, 10:36 am Well, I know this thread only asks for one thing you would change but there is simply too many things I would change...
1. Harry and Ginny's relationship was handled very badly. It was so awkward in the movie rather than it being natural. Their kiss was meant to be spontaneous!.
2. The lack of punishment when Harry used the Sectumsempra Curse.
3. Dumbledore apparating out of Hogwarts.
4. The whole train station scene at the beginning of the film. What was the point in that?
5. The attack on the Burrow. I thought that the Burrow had protection from the MoM. Nothing happened in that scene anyway. What purpose does it serve in the film?
6. I was really disappointed with the Flight of the Prince. The other Death-Eaters infiltrated Hogwarts to destroy the Great Hall:grumble: There was no interesting fight. Snape and Malfoy could have walked out of Hogwarts alone.
Those are exactly the same things I would have changed in HBP
For me two of the main things I would have changed was: Harry and Ginny's kiss, I always thought it to be spontaneous like you said and more passionate it was just so awkward. And the other big thing that I would have changed was the scene where the Burrow was on fire. What was that all about!?
jan74 February 23rd, 2010, 7:11 pm Well, if I should choose only one thing, I would have cut the talking and explaining about the Vanishing cabinet in the scene at the Burrow.
Otherwise I was more than satisfied with the film. I understand that people were disappointed with Ginny & Harry's relationship; I think this comes down to the fact that Dan and Bonnie lacked experience with playing scenes with no one else present; which made them feel awkward/uncomfortable.
katana February 23rd, 2010, 8:10 pm More talk of/better explanation of the Horcruxes and the confrontation between Snape & Harry was a bit of a let down. I liked it, but wishes it had been a bit longer/done better.
reggmeister February 24th, 2010, 2:42 am More information on the Horcruxes would have helped a lot. However, if I could change one thing it would have been the line said by Snape: "It's over". I was kinda sad that it was not in the film
Slartibartfast February 24th, 2010, 9:40 pm More of the memory scenes should have been there. Even if they werent as detailed as the book, i would have liked to see Hepzibah Smith and the Gaunts.
The Flight of the Prince is the biggest thing i would change. I would have left Bellatrix out since shes not a part of that anyway. Also Snape needed his line. NEEDED. I was so angry....you have no idea.
Also a bit more speculation about the Half Blood Prince.
Mad_Druid February 25th, 2010, 4:17 am I would have cut the ham handed attack on the Burrow.
Either that, or I would have had Dumbledore immobilise Harry in the tower. We're shown time and time again that Harry is one for action. Having him just stand there and watch didn't ring true to his character at all. I understand that it made Snape's betrayal seem all the worse, but still, it didn't work for me.
merrymarge February 25th, 2010, 4:32 am I would change the part where Snape announced that he was the HBP. This didn't make sense in the movie, because the focus was not on the book; we don't see Harry trying any of the different potions. Harry only succeeded at Potions because of the book, and that was written by Snape.
I also wish they had more of the pensieve sequences. This helped to focus on why Tom Riddle needed certain items for his horcruxes. This wasn't mentioned in the movie.
Jigga April 26th, 2010, 3:04 am Snape's attitude when he is escaping from Hogwarts. He was way too calm. The point was supposed to be that he lost his cool and went berserk, Rickman should have been yelling at Harry.
Also the potion drinking sequence has great potential. When Dumbledore takes the 1st sip I am getting emotional and getting prepared for a heart-wrenching scene because the 1st 2 sips are well done. But it never climaxes, it just levels out and never gets more emotional. Leaving much to be desired.
MinervasCat April 26th, 2010, 3:46 am Acting lessons for Bonnie Wright????
LindaZhu April 26th, 2010, 4:43 am Acting lessons for Bonnie Wright????
:clap:
everything she did was just so awkward. although i partially blame whoever set up OotP to look more like Harry and Luna would end up together.
xhanax315 April 26th, 2010, 4:56 am Acting lessons for Bonnie Wright????
For some instances through out the movie, I thought about this as well. Some of this is seen when we first see her in CoS at the Burrow. :whistle:
The first thing that comes to mind though, is the Burrow scene. I understand why it was added, and I get all the dramatic effect of it, but I still consider it completely pointless. This time could've been used for another memory, or something much more important.
Don't even get me started on the waitress scene. :rolleyes:
I guess that's more than one, huh? :whistle:
MasterOfDeath April 26th, 2010, 5:38 am Make Ron and Hermione's relationship look less one-sided. Hermione's feelings for Ron are finally made clear but they went a peg back with Ron liking Hermione. It looks like he's over her.
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