Tonks and Lupin?

Lupin needs some lovin' too. And Tonks is just plain cool. They're both anti-Voldie, blah blah... it could work!!!

I was thinking of them two together as well! There might be an age difference thought, but Lupin is around 35, and Tonks seems to be around 28..so it isn't that bad.

They would have weird kids though. :p

Originally posted by NeedAM!nT (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=411051#post411051))
I was thinking of them two together as well! There might be an age difference thought, but Lupin is around 35, and Tonks seems to be around 28..so it isn't that bad.

They would have weird kids though. :p


I got the impression that Tonks was much younger--she's only been an Auror for a year. There are three years of training, so assuming she left school and went straight into training she'd only be about 21-22. Still, I don't think that's an insurmountable age difference for people who live to the age of 150. And it would be really nice for Lupin to have someone. :)

I thought that they seemed very compatible. Although I thought that Tonks was around 21/23. Maybe she is more suited to Charlie maybe, she gets on with the Weasley's an general. Or she might be gay, she did prefer to hang with Hermione and Ginny. I don't know, I think I'm rambling...

Justin, I think you might be right on the money, but I thought Maganagoll said no one had been accepted as an auror for 3 years, so Tonks would have to be a bit older, right?

Oh yes! I just read the first scene with both of them in it, and I got these romance vibes from them! I'd love for them to get together and my Delusional Shipper Heart is just screaming "YES! YEEES!! YEEEEEEEEEES!!!" right now. I don't think the age difference would be that big a problem. There's one kid in my class who's mom is only thirty three and his dad's fifty six.

I was going to start a thread on this, but I wasn't sure if everything romantic went in the "Book 6: Who Will Fall In Love?" thread or not.

You know, the biggest issue could turn out to be Lupin's slight guilt at knowing Tonks is his best friend's second cousin :elaugh:

I don't know... I mean it sounded a lot like everyone was Sirius's 2nd cousin. Everyone is linked. Lupin is probably his second cousin too....

Ah, true, true.

yeah, Lupin and Tonks would definately make a cute(yet weird) couple

J.K. Rowling said "Though still quite young, Lupin's hair was spotted gray." (Sorry, it's a quote from memory) Lupin really isn't that young anymore. He's around 35, and that is really reaching middle age. So it could be the same for Tonks. Rowling said that Tonks was young, so she is probaly a bit older than what we think. And it seems that she went to Hogwarts, and we never heard of her.

I think they could make a cute couple. I have to admit that realistically though, I don't really see Lupin falling in love with anyone. He's too withdrawn (by necessity) from society, and any relationship with a werewolf wouldn't be easy! If anything, I don't think we'll see the romance, but, if they're both alive and well by the end of book 7, maybe a future relationship will be implied. Right now, they're too involved in the Order to think about anything else, and she'd have to get around the little werewolf issue.

In another thread, someone mentioned that Lupin needs a sensitive, patient, girlfriend who will support Lupin and understand him. I'm not sure if that's the type Tonks will be, and the chances of them together aren't that high, but still, I hope they can hook up:)

yea they would make a really cute cople!!!! i hope they get together!!

Originally posted by remus81 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=411894#post411894))
Justin, I think you might be right on the money,

About which bit, specifically?

Justin I think the correct term would be lesbian for a female character ;)

And I don't see Lupin and Tonks getting together, I think Tonks will die not sure why though...

I unfortunatly think that Tonks will die as well, I pray that I am wrong, She is my Favorite character! I'll be seriously upset if she does die! :( but I as well dont see her with Lupin. Personally I dont see her with any man.

I think Lupin and Tonks go really well! She's a metamorphigi, handy for changing into an animal at Lupin's time of the month! The kids won't inherit the werewolf side as you have to be bitten by one, but they could be metamorphigi, but Tonks' said that is really rare, so there's a chance of them being normal!

And no one's too old to fall in love!
I htink Lupin's only going grey because it must be quite stressfull turning into a werewolf and being ill once a month!

Being a metamorphigi would only mean that Tonks could change her human appearance, Helhorns. She wouldn't be able to change species.

To be honest, I can't see Lupin with anyone. He's very withdrawn (though appears to be coming out of his shell more) and seems very scared about hurting someone. I don't think he'd want to put anyone at risk.

Does anyone else see a werewolf legislation that bans werewolves from... I dunno... touching kids under the age of a year? Or from even HAVING kids? I'm sure Umbridge :angry: would have something to do with that.

Tonks will maybe die. :( She is a seriosuly, seriously cool character, who reminds me of me. Seriously, if they make a film of 5, I am auditioning for Tonks (THEN Lupin and Tonks can fall in love I won't mind!) Either way, I think she needs a more... wild guy who can give her a bit of fun. Lupin's maybe a bit too quiet. More likely to bury himself in his books than whisk her away into the sunset...

Originally posted by NeedAM!nT (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=412505#post412505))
J.K. Rowling said "Though still quite young, Lupin's hair was spotted gray." (Sorry, it's a quote from memory) Lupin really isn't that young anymore. He's around 35, and that is really reaching middle age. So it could be the same for Tonks. Rowling said that Tonks was young, so she is probaly a bit older than what we think. And it seems that she went to Hogwarts, and we never heard of her.


35 isn't middle age for Wizards. McGonagall's in her 70s and would probably be there (though of course to us Muggles she seems older than that). For a Wizard, Lupin is actually still very young. Tonks, of course, is even younger.

As far as Hogwarts goes, I'm not sure that she went there (can't remember from OotP and don't have my book here). It's a little strange that if Tonks went to Hogwarts we haven't heard about it. According to most timelines of the books, she'd be about two years older than Percy (so she would have been a 7th year when Harry started school). However, Hogwarts isn't the only Wizarding school around. She could have gone elsewhere, or been in one of the other Houses at Hogwarts.

Tonks probably did go to Hogwart's. But there weren't any people above fifth year mentioned personally, were there? Beside Marcus Flint as far as I know. As I see it, Tonks was just this person who JK brought in for a bit of flavour.

And also she changes her appearance, so it would be difficult to spot her if she decided she didn't LIKE having orange hair and freckles, and she wanted to be a bit taller, so decided to have blue hair and a hooked nose.

Hardly difficult to see why Harry missed her.

Originally posted by Wilderness (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=413813#post413813))
Tonks probably did go to Hogwart's. But there weren't any people above fifth year mentioned personally, were there? Beside Marcus Flint as far as I know. As I see it, Tonks was just this person who JK brought in for a bit of flavour.

And also she changes her appearance, so it would be difficult to spot her if she decided she didn't LIKE having orange hair and freckles, and she wanted to be a bit taller, so decided to have blue hair and a hooked nose.

Hardly difficult to see why Harry missed her.


But very difficult indeed to see why she apparently missed Harry. I doubt anyone in that school his first year didn't know he was there. Wouldn't it be normal for someone as friendly as Tonks to mention this, at least in passing?

True. True.... I'm determined to find a reasonable theory for this...

If she was in seventh year, she would have been taking her N.E.W.T's.

Okay, we didn't see EVERYONE coming up to Harry talking to him etc. many just whispered and pointed behind his back. Yes, Tonks is incredibly friendly, but this is The Boy Who Lived! You don't just waltz up to him and say 'hi, my names Tonks, don't call me Nymphadora.' And she might have talked to him, and J.K didn't mention it. After all, we didnt know how important a lot of people are that we've met before. And even if she had talked to Harry, he wouldn't recognise her, would he?

Originally posted by Wilderness (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=413725#post413725))
Being a metamorphigi would only mean that Tonks could change her human appearance, Helhorns. She wouldn't be able to change species.


How do you know? I believe that Tonks changed her nose into a pigs nose at the mealtable! Nothing has been said that she cant do this.

Originally posted by Wilderness (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=414451#post414451))
True. True.... I'm determined to find a reasonable theory for this...

If she was in seventh year, she would have been taking her N.E.W.T's.

Okay, we didn't see EVERYONE coming up to Harry talking to him etc. many just whispered and pointed behind his back. Yes, Tonks is incredibly friendly, but this is The Boy Who Lived! You don't just waltz up to him and say 'hi, my names Tonks, don't call me Nymphadora.' And she might have talked to him, and J.K didn't mention it. After all, we didnt know how important a lot of people are that we've met before. And even if she had talked to Harry, he wouldn't recognise her, would he?


You're right, I was thinking she would have said something to him when she met him later, in Privet Drive. (Might be thinking too much. lol)

I like the idea of Tonks and Lupin for a number of reasons.
1. They are on the same side and strive for the common goal.
2. Common interests (perhaps?)
3. Both are cool people.

But I don't really understand why age is important when thinking about couples...

But, for argument's sake, let's just say that she graduated Hogwarts the year before Harry entered school. :)

Hmm. I was thinking more along the line of having Charlie and Tonks. Their colorful (pun sarcastically meant to be) personalities would fit together quite well.

1. They are close to the same age.

2. both are by definition, quite "odd"

3. It'd be funny :)

4. "they are both cool people" too!

Yeah, I like the idea, but I think Lupin is going to die for sure so I don't think it will ever happen. I also the Tonks is too independent to settle down.

I also think it is easy to imagine ger graduating from Hogwarts before Harry started. Maybe she travelled the world before she started auror training. She seems like the type.

When i first read the book it was at the back of my mind Tonks and Lupin, when i read it the second i can now fully see that there might be something there. the age difference between them doesn't really matter, they're both adults so can decide for themselves. besides i agree that Tonks is raging between the age of 25 to 30 i mean it doesn't say anywhere that she went straight to train as an auror from the moment she left school, so she could have done a bit of travelling beforehand, but who knows, i just think Lupin and Tonks would be great together and im sooooo hoping that they get it on.:love:

I don't see it myself. She's a bit perky and bubbly. It would be easier for Lupin (and anybody else) to see her as more like a daughter or younger sister. She's that kind of girl.

Besides, I don't really want everybody to be paired up. Do we really need to know who that lot go to bed with? I mean, if you're pairing up Lupin and Tonks you might as well pair Mad-Eye with somebody and that's just plain disturbing... but even one-eyed weirdoes need love, you know....

I thought of Tonks for Harry to be honest. She seems interesting and we'd get to learn more about her character.
I like the Lupin idea better though. :D

I can't see JKR provoking people into condemning her against age gap relationships in her books. I still say Tonks and Lupin...c'mon JKR give Lupin some love!

Lupin is a werewolf how woud that make their kids? mmhmmm.. I dout very highley that Lupin will get any lovin in the future books but mabye from another werewolf mbe. Probably not! I like Lupin and all but I cant see it happining

Lupin rocks, I just dont see him rockin' Tonks Sox. sorry guys! still just cant picture Tonks with any man.

I think she was out of Hogwarts before Harry went to school. So she'd probably be in her mid twenties or so. that's still pretty young but it's also pretty old enough for her to get with Lupin who's in his mid thirties. i mean, if Bill can be with Fleur and he's like 7 or 8 years older than her, then why can't Lupin and Tonks get together. Their age difference is only 10 years or so. Besides, in a world where people live to be well over a hundred, I don't think ten years will make that much of a difference. I hope Lupin does get someone. He deserves happiness...:)

Even if she went directly to Auror Training after school she wouldn't have been in Hogwarts when Harry was. She's been an Auror for a year already, so during that year Harry would have been a 4th year student, Her last year of Auror training, Harry would have been a 3rd year student, her second year Harry's second year. Tonks First year of Auror Training, Harry's first year at Hogwarts. So saying that, if she Left Hogwarts at 18 that would make her 22 or 23 at the begining of OotP. 23 or 24 at the end Depending on her birth day.

Since Lupin is almost 15 years older than Tonks, I'm gonna have to say no... Maybe when Tonks gets a little older, but she's got to be what, 21, now? That's too young for me.

Hm...I think that I would be a better match for Lupin. Yeah. Definitely.

Originally posted by Cat (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=424280#post424280))
I don't see it myself. She's a bit perky and bubbly. It would be easier for Lupin (and anybody else) to see her as more like a daughter or younger sister. She's that kind of girl.




DAUGHTER????
:wow:
Lupin isn't THAT old, he's only like 10 years older than her!!:D
More of a sister, like you said. ;)

Ah, so here's another potential romantic pairing to add to the ever-growing list.

Anyway, I'm not denying it would be nice for Lupin to find someone, but the circumstances are wrong for Lupin and Tonks to get together. There just really isn't anyone out there for Lupin, I think.

Poor Lupin, Perhaps he'll find a nice female wolfie!

Well, honestly, I think the chances of a romance involving anybody in the Order is highly unlikely. The point is not to meet people, it's to fight against Voldemort. We already know that both Lupin and Tonks are rarely around 12 Grimmauld Place, because they're off doing things for Dumbledore. Heck, maybe Rowling will give Lupin a bit of happiness at the way end, but I'd be very surprised if anybody really got a serious relationship going in book 6.

I definatly don't see Lupin and Tonks together. They're way to different.

I think it would be nice if they got together, even though I didn't see it when i was reading the book.

Since it never does say that she can't turn into an animal, once a month she could turn into a werewolf to keep him company, probably one of the only people that could, and therefore he wouldn't feel like he was putting her in danger.

Originally posted by Arissya_00 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=433354#post433354))
DAUGHTER????
:wow:
Lupin isn't THAT old, he's only like 10 years older than her!!:D
More of a sister, like you said. ;)


No, but he acts older than he is. And Tonks has a 'little girl' thing going for her. So she's more like a daughter than a girlfriend.

There were some older women in the Order. Why can't people set him up with one of them?

Tonks and Lupin are both friendly types but they're quite different really. Tonks is quite in-your-face while Lupin is much more subtle. Of course it would be nice for Lupin to find love but I fear he has a bit too much emotional baggage from all his problems.

I dunno...it seems cute but Tonks is a generation younger than Lupin--big age gap, and she is very spunky and upbeat, whilst lupin is tired and more serious, you know? I'd still like to see Lupin with somebody though...
Isn't this already being discuessed in here, though:
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11218

I don't think the age gap between Tonks and Lupin is obscenely large; 10 years, or so? That's quite viable for a relationship.

It would be nice for Lupin to find someone...anyone, really. I think he's probably had the saddest existence out of all his friends, mainly because he's seen them all die before him and he's lived as an outcast within the magical community.

Let's just hope Tonks doesn't end up being evil. ;)

Ooh, yes yes please! I will be very disappointed if it doesn't happen. I think the Order needs a little romance to break the tension, and a nice cheerful, offbeat girlfriend would be just the thing for our Remus. (Who doesn't, incidentally, strike me as all that serious a character at heart, despite having been kicked around a LOT by life. Don't forget that he was not only Sirius and James's friend as a kid, but the teacher who kicked off his first class by inducing Neville to turn his boggart into Snape-in-drag. He seems to have a fairly irrepressible, and usually irreverent, sense of humor. I think they'd be just right for each other.)

As for the age gap thing, hey, I was dating a forty-year-old when I was Tonks' age, and I'm not even a witch. Non-issue, I think.

I can't see Lupin and Tonks together forever-in love, as Lupin appears to have too much on his mind at the end of OotP to even consider a relationship. I think it's more likely that either Tonks or Lupin will die before the end of the Harry Potter series.

hmm.... for wizards, who have a somewhat longer lifespan than humans do, i dont think a difference in age by about 10 years is all that big of a deal.

i dont foresee tonks and lupin together. nothing in their conversations or in the text has struck me as a sign for them being together. but i do agree, if lupin could find a girl he is in true love with, it would probably do his life some justice and make him feel happier in his depressing life.

I think Tonks and Lupin would be so cute together. I personally would love to see Lupin hook up with someone. Tonks seems like the type of person that could really help Lupin get rid of all his stress and losen up. :love: They could totally work.

As long as they're not related.

Tonks I think is much suitable for one of the weasleys maybe... Bill or Charlie or even maybe Percy. I don't think that Lupin wants to be married for I don't think that he wants his children to share the same faith as he does... being a werewolf and all...

Tonks and Lupin? Er... no. For several reasons, not the least of which is that Sirius/Remus was kind of implied in OotP. I just don't think Remus would take up with his dead lover's cousin, as wonderful as she may be.

While I am not all that bothered by age differences, Remus is 37/38 as of OotP and Tonks is 21/22. More like a 15 or 16 year difference rather than 10. My issue isn't so much with the age, but that Remus seems old beyond his years in many ways. I think Remus would be better suited to someone older and a bit softer around the edges. I love Remus, I love Tonks, I don't love them together.

Then, there is the fact that we really don't see them interacting but one single time in canon. Not that anyone ever lets that impede their shipping, but... I think that shipping Remus with Tonks really has more to do with convenience. People like Remus, they want him to be happy, now they have an adult female he can reasonably be shipped with.

My favorite Tonks ship is Harry/Tonks... smaller age difference, same generation, we actually *gasp* see them interact in canon, she's the kind of woman teenage boys crush on. I could expound, but I won't unless someone is really dying to see the Harry/Tonks Shipping Essay of Doom.

I could go for Percy/Tonks, Hermione/Tonks and Ginny/Tonks too. Percy/Tonks mostly for the comedy. Hermione/Tonks and Ginny/Tonks because they seem to really like each other.

I like this idea. I think that they are very much suited. Remus and Sirius were just very strong friends. They were the only two left of their friends, so of course they had a strong bond. That does not mean romance. I do not think that JK will include slash in her books. I do not have a problem with it and enjoy reading some of it. Just not Remus/Sirius. They are not very well suited to each other.

I agree that J/K is not going to include homosexual relationships in her books. Although increasingly prevelant and accepted, society has not reached the point at which homosexual relationships are given the legitimacy or normalcy of hetrosexual ones. It is still a controversial issue, and not one that many parents would want their children exposed to at a young age.
Back to the issue of Lupin and Tonks, I would love to see it happen ,but there really wasn't any evidence of it in OOTP. Did they even speak to each other? I don't see the age difference as any problem, and the tempermental differences would probably complement each other, but without any textual hints, I kind of doubt that it will happen.
Actually, although I think that Lupin will die before the end of the series and Arthur will survive, if Lupin should live and Arthur die, I think Lupin and Molly would make a good couple, and one that could be justified based on their relationship during OOTP.

RE: Sirius/Remus... and whether or not JKR would include homosexuality in her books

First of all, JKR *did* reference homosexuality in the very first chapter of OotP. Dudley implies that Cedric is Harry's boyfriend. Notice, Harry isn't upset about being called a homosexual, he's upset that Dudley has been listening to him having a dream about the night in the graveyard.

While I don't think homosexuality will be huge issue in the books, the fact that a big, gigantic theme in the series is how wrong prejudice is, I totally wouldn't doubt that she would reference it in some way or imply homosexuality in some characters. In fact, she has.

As for the implied Sirius/Remus, a few things...

1. Re-read the section of chapter four where Sirius and Molly are arguing about how much to tell Harry about the Order. Remus plays the same role to Sirius that Arthur plays to Molly.

2. Remus is living with Sirius. Harry makes note of the fact that Remus is 'staying with Sirius'. Not that he is staying at Grimmauld Place like he and the Weasleys are, but that he is STAYING WITH SIRIUS. Let's not forget that Remus already has his own place (DD told Sirius to lie low there at the end of GoF) and that no one else in the Order is living at Grimmauld Place.

3. Three words -- Joint Christmas Presents

4. Movie!Canon rather than Book!Canon, but Gary Oldman as Sirius has a tatoo on his chest that is the alchemical symbol for the conjugation of the Moon and Sun. Remus=Moony, Sirius=Dog Star, a sun.

5. Not Sirius/Remus specifically, but notice how all the girls are checking out Sirius in the Pensieve scene... and notice how he does not acknowledge them in any way whatsoever, while James tries very purposefully to get their attention.

6. As for their compatibility... well, we know they are very, very close friends. They are compatible in that sense, definately more than Remus and Tonks

I think Sirius/Remus was definately implied in OotP. I do not see how having characters in same sex relationships should be verbotan in a book 'for kids' (not that I think the books are 'for kids', and coincidentily, neither does JKR), then again, I was raised to treat all people with respect, no matter what their sexual orientation.

I agree that J/K is not going to include homosexual relationships in her books. Although increasingly prevelant and accepted, society has not reached the point at which homosexual relationships are given the legitimacy or normalcy of hetrosexual ones. It is still a controversial issue, and not one that many parents would want their children exposed to at a young age.

...and in the magical world, society has not reached the point at which werewolves are given the legitimacy or normalcy of regular witches and wizards. It is still a contraversial issue, and not many parents in the wizarding world would want their children exposed to a werewolf.

I dunno, homosexuality would seem to fit right in with JKR's other themes...

Bottom line... I don't see how a relationship with such a large age difference between total opposites with next to nothing in common we hardly see interact should be more 'legit' than one between long time, close friends who obviously already care for one another very deeply. Makes no sense to me at all.

I like the Remus/Sirius scenario. Two canines in love. Even if it can never be proven, it seems fitting. Poor Remus :upset:

Can i just ask what is the problem with the age gap. :huh:
My dad is about 13/14 years old than my mum.

Anyway i think Lupin and tonks should get together. :blush:

I don't think homosexuality would ever be explicitly discussed in Harry Potter; even if JKR wrote it in (which I doubt she would), I don't think it would get past the editorial stage because like it or not, third graders do read these books. However, there's no reason why it couldn't be implied or hinted at... you know, double entendre, the readers who are old enough get it, while the aforementioned third graders don't.

That said, I still don't think Sirius and Remus are together. I got the impression that they were like brothers.

A quiet, emotional, sensitive girlfriend for Remus... nah, I just don't see it. He obviously needs someone who doesn't seem to have a problem with his lycanthropism, someone who will keep him from withdrawing from the world and getting mired in self-pity, someone to bring out his wicked sense of humor (he's so nice on the surface, but then he "accidentally" makes something happen that's very, very funny...) For some reason, Tonks comes to mind. ;-) Partly convenience, yes, but if *something* good doesn't happen to Remus by the end of the septology, I will be terribly disappointed.

-Mierin Eronaile

Honestly, I don't know where people get the canon for S/L romance. As a lit. major, I can assure you I've read the books over and over again and have not noted any signs or *symbolism* between these two that would suggest a romantic attraction. It seems like two people of the same sex can't have a strong bond nowadays without there being sexual attraction. sheesh! :rolleyes: I think some have just been reading too much fanfiction.
Anyway, I also don't think J.K. will write about any homosexuality in her books simply because it's not necessary and has no purpose. Her intention is not to focus on a person's sexuality, and if it doesn't matter to her then it shouldn't matter to us. I think we should just be happy with the few romantic pairings in this series cause it's clear to me J.K. doesn't want to make a heck of a big deal with them. just my two knuts.

ANYWAY, going back on topic before this thread gets kicked out to Knockturn Alley:Tonks and Lupin...err...yea...umm...does it really matter? Again, I refer back to my previous paragraph. It's through Harry's point of view anyway, and I'm pretty sure he could care less which adult is hooking up with whom.

Lupin is a werewolf and has full knowledge of it. SO, why the HECK would he want to go out/marry a girl if he already does not like anyone near him when he is a wolf. Yes, Tonks can change, but can she change to a animal? If so, that would still make things stupid. What if they had kids? I don't Lupin would want to put his kids in any near danger. If you bring up the subject that maybe they don't have to have kids, I think Lupin would probably like having kids.

ALSO, if he was on the subject of marriage (and we don't know, yes I know that) but he probably would already be married NOW!

Anyway,he wouldn't want to take a chance anyway.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!

Tonks is meant for stan shunpike!When will you people learn???:) I agree with Voldie Mort

I dont think they really have things in common, I cant see them togther. Besides I think Lupin is going to end up dieng :frown: .. I agree with voldie_mort, because he is a wereaolf and all, it would be difficult for her/him to have a relationship.

Honestly, I don't know where people get the canon for S/L romance. As a lit. major, I can assure you I've read the books over and over again and have not noted any signs or *symbolism* between these two that would suggest a romantic attraction. It seems like two people of the same sex can't have a strong bond nowadays without there being sexual attraction. sheesh! :rolleyes: I think some have just been reading too much fanfiction.


Surely a lit major would know how to properly capitalize words. 'I am a lit major, I should know' isn't a proper arguement at all. Even people with doctorates in literature disagree on intepretations.

I've read very little S/R fanfiction, and what I have read, has all been post-OotP. I saw it within the text. On the first read. I gave my canon examples, you rolled your eyes and flashed dubious creds. While I don't normally play the age card, I am going to play it here: at 18 (therefore presumably a freshman), your actual college lit is going to be limited to one or two very general English courses.

My point is this... it is a rather silly notion to canonically ship two characters who have interacted ONCE on the page. I can find more evidence for Harry/Tonks than Remus/Tonks... I can find more evidence for Sirius/Remus than Remus/Tonks.

Tonks and Lupin? Why didn't this ever get thrown to the dogs in the Love thread?

Anyway, I don't see it happening. That may be because I want Tonks to end up with someone else who shall remain nameless, but anyway....I just didn't see anything to show that it would happen. I like the idea of Charlie/Tonks. It just seems convienent that J.K. put someone into the story who is around Charlie's age. I imagine Charlie to be around 24 and Tonks to maybe be around 21 or 22 or so. I know there are other estimates, but that's my idea of it. *shoves fingers in ears and hums loudly*

ALSO, if he was on the subject of marriage (and we don't know, yes I know that) but he probably would already be married NOW! For all we know he could already be or have been married. I doubt it but you never know.

For all we know he could already be or have been married. I doubt it but you never know.
I don't think Lupin really wants to be with anyone because of what Mort said. Plus give Tonks and Lupin thing a break... I mean Sirius is the cousin of Tonks mother right, that will make Sirius and Lupin at the same age as Tonks parents... pleasseee...

but that would mean lupin would be dating his dead best friend's niece! kind of disturbing if you think about it, never mind the age difference... nah, i think old moony will be single to the end...poor guy.

"You should have realized that if Volemort didn't kill you we would. Goodbye, Peter."

Severus 15:evil:

Tonks is not Sirius' niece, she's his first cousin once removed (or possibly a more distant cousin -- I guess we don't know for sure that Andromeda is his first cousin). And she is thirteen or fourteen years younger than Remus and Sirius at the youngest, assuming she entered Auror training straight out of school. (Do wizards get gap years? I think Tonks would be just the type to take one.)

I'm perfectly willing to accept that they may not like each other, at least not in that way, but I don't see how either the age gap or the relationship between her and Sirius constitutes an impediment.

I don't think Lupin is the kind to be worried about dating his (dead) best friend's cousin, once removed. Personally I wouldn't mind if my best friend would do that. I wouldn't even mind if my best friend would marry my brother (even though I would be a bit worried about her sanity... :D), and I don't think Sirius would mind either, he'd probably only be happy Lupin has found someone.

On the other hand, I can't really see them falling for each other. It's not like they couldn't, it's just that there's no reason why they should/would/have, as far as I can remember. They're just friends.
And just as Voldie_Mort says, Lupin is a werewolf, and aware of it, so he probably wouldn't want to marry/have a relationship someone, on account of her safety. Also, how do we know that the MoM lets werewolves marry? They seem pretty strict with a lot of things.

Severus15, if you want to have a signature on the end of your posts, it might be more practical to go to your Control Panel and changing it there so that you don't have to write it in everytime you post. :D

Lupin definitely needs some lovin' in his life. All of his best friends have been lost to Voldemort or the fight against him. He needs some happiness and Tonks is just the right chick to give it to him.:eyebrows:

Even if the age gap wasn't there, I don't think that Lupin and tonks would really be very suited to each other. Their personalities are quite different. Although, you could argue that opposites attract.

As for the Sirius/Remus thing - What a load of... um... I mean, it just seems a bit unlikely thats all. Maybe I'm biased because I don't like to think of Sirius falling in love with anybody but me, (Ha Ha) but there doesn't seem to be much evidence for this. Just because they were close friends (and not even as close as James and Sirius) doesn't mean that they are homosexuals. And I don't think JKR would have a storyline like that in these books.

Honestly, I don't know where people get the canon for S/L romance. As a lit. major, I can assure you I've read the books over and over again and have not noted any signs or *symbolism* between these two that would suggest a romantic attraction. It seems like two people of the same sex can't have a strong bond nowadays without there being sexual attraction. sheesh! :rolleyes: I think some have just been reading too much fanfiction.
Anyway, I also don't think J.K. will write about any homosexuality in her books simply because it's not necessary and has no purpose. Her intention is not to focus on a person's sexuality, and if it doesn't matter to her then it shouldn't matter to us. I think we should just be happy with the few romantic pairings in this series cause it's clear to me J.K. doesn't want to make a heck of a big deal with them. just my two knuts.

ANYWAY, going back on topic before this thread gets kicked out to Knockturn Alley:Tonks and Lupin...err...yea...umm...does it really matter? Again, I refer back to my previous paragraph. It's through Harry's point of view anyway, and I'm pretty sure he could care less which adult is hooking up with whom.

Go Evanescence! You sure said everything I couldn't quite say. ALthough in the book there had been hints of Sirius and Remus's "closeness", that doesn't mean they have a romantic/sexual attraction towards each other. There has been no hint in the books whatsoever that Sirius and Remus has been giving each other the eye. They act as any close best friends would act. Heck, I would do the same thing with my BFFs too as Sirius and Remus. And if JK was to include some kind of homosexual reference in it, I would accept it (although reluctantly), but as Mierin42 pointed out, third graders do adore HP and they just aren't quite at the age to understand subjects like that. Plus, simply put, HP just isn't the kind of book to have something like that! But back to Tonks/Lupin, I really think they're great for each other! Lupin needs to lighten up and some laughs and genuine smiles in his life, so forget the whole age difference and dating his dead best friend's cousin thing, 'cos I really think they'd make one cute couple!

I agree with you, Arissya, about Sirius/Remus. I have a big argument on this topic which I'll owl to anyone who asks. Personally, though I hate to say it, I think Remus deserves better than a sulky, reckless lover who is now dead.

I don't think it's necessarily true that Remus needs to fall in love in order to be happy. He is the type of person to count his blessings, and is very grateful for all the people who accept him. So maybe he thinks he's quite lucky enough to have friends and doesn't feel a need for any other kind of relationship. Remember he hasn't lost all his friends yet. He's lost his oldest and closest friends, but he still has the Order who all (except Snape) accept him and respect him, and some of whom he's known for years.

Having thought about it some more, I don't think Tonks would be his ideal partner. Their interaction in chapter 3 was probably just to establish her character and show how well he gets on with the Order members. They have a fair-sized emotional maturity gap, despite his mischievous past, and they also have a big emotional baggage gap. He's got enough baggage for a train of mules and she's just got a small rucksack.

If I was a shipper type, I'd put Remus with Emmeline Vance. OK, we hardly know her, but we do know she was in the Order before. That means they've known each other for years, and she's been in the first war, so she should have some idea how he's feeling. And there's a shipping clue - they were next to each other in Moody's photo.

I totally agree with Puffskein on multiple arguments.

As charming as both Tonks and Lupin are, their individual personalities don't seem to mesh. Tonks is almost too funny and young, and Lupin, as mentioned previously, may not be "old", per se, but is definately an old soul.

I also like the Emmeline Vance idea. I never would have thought of that...though now that you mention the two of them standing next to each other, I totally see how you could infer a relationship. First off, we don't know much about Emmeline, except that she is described as "stately", and she was in the first order. I think surviving the First War is a huge testament to both Lupin and Emmeline's abilities as wizards. So, obviously they're both talented and have the same ideals, and perhaps, similar experiences. I would like to know more about Emmeline in the next books, even if she isn't paired with Remus.

Also, I don't have a problem with homosexuality at all, and I've even thought, as yet another Literature major to cross these boards, that though Lupin may not be a homosexual, the type of discrimination and hatred he receives is similar to the stigma attatched to those in the homosexual community. However, I've never particularly liked setting him up with Sirius. One major reason is one that has already been mentioned: it would appear that in modern fiction, particularly those in the fantasy realm, two men can not share a sensitive, long-lasting bond without being characterized as a closeted gay couple. I feel that although as a society we may not be ready to accept a gay couple in a children's series (then again, who doesn't love Bert and Ernie? :p ), that doesn't mean we shouldn't allow straight men the chance to sensitive or caring to one another. Also, I don't know why, but I sort of characterize Sirius as too reckless and even, self-centered or stubborn, to provide a supportive relationship for someone like Lupin. Then again, maybe I'm just a hormonally charged fangirl who's far too in love with her Sirius Black fantasies to want to give those up. ;)

Finally, as a Literature major, I just want to defend the use of lower case lettering and grammatically incorrect sentences in message boards...

dude...we're online...let the grammar and spelling freaks chill out for once... :p

If I was a shipper type, I'd put Remus with Emmeline Vance. OK, we hardly know her, but we do know she was in the Order before. That means they've known each other for years, and she's been in the first war, so she should have some idea how he's feeling. And there's a shipping clue - they were next to each other in Moody's photo.

I don't know if I would consider the picture a shipping point, because there is a very good chance that someone (the photographer?) set up the arrangement. However, that could be an interesting relationship. I agree that Tonks might be a little young for Lupin. He is a very "old" soul and I think he'd needs someone more mature, to go with that soul. I definately think that he deserves some happiness.

I don't see why people want to bung Lupin with some handy female (or male as the case may be). It's a sweet idea to pair him off with somebody, but it's not going to solve his problems. He already has people who care about him, whose opinions aren't affected by who he is during the full moon, and he already cares deeply for others. What he probably needs is to accept himself. He needs some 'me' time (not me me, of course, but him me).

If a lady friend (or boyfriend - I might as well be politcally correct here!) said 'Oh, bunnikins, it doesn't matter what you are!' do you think he's going to say 'You're right! I agree with you!'. I don't and I think that's probably why he's apparently single, even though he has his friends. Imagine being in his shoes. It would be so hard to think that the werewolf thing could ever really not matter to somebody, even somebody who insisted that they loved you and cared about you. Then the romance would be killed a bit because that would be hard for the other party to take.

He's pleasant and he's very mild in his attitude, not a depressive character, but it definitely seemed to me that there was a hint of revulsion when he talked about being a werewolf. Then he left at the end, not just because of what he failed to tell Dumbledore (I think he's forgiven for that) or because he didn't take the potion that one time (pobody's nerfect and it turned out alright in the end), but because he didn't want people to be frightend of him. He shouldn't care about that! He knows their fears are baseless but they still concern him!

Anyway... I'm going on a bit here, aren't I?

Interesting analysis there, Cat, but I'd like to add a few of my own thoughts:

I think that a lot of Lupin's pleasantness comes from not wanting people to think he's a stereotypical werewolf. That's why he sometimes acts rather sharply to people who know him very well - he's not so afraid to speak his mind. So I think he does appreciate that his friends accept him for what he is. He might think differently about an actual romance, though.

Like I said before, Lupin knows he's lucky to have friends. I can easily see him not wanting to push his luck by going further, especially with an existing friend (and if the suitor wasn't a friend already, he'd worry that they'd think he's a stereotypical werewolf). I can see him reacting to an offer of love in the same way Eeyore reacted to a party invitation: "No, you're thinking of someone else!"



Then he left at the end, not just because of what he failed to tell Dumbledore (I think he's forgiven for that)

Just for the record, I'm afraid to say that there are people who haven't forgiven him for that. The logic goes, "How can he have kept quiet when the guy he thought was a murderer has been getting into a dorm and slashing up portraits and curtains?" I do think that in real life, that would be criminal negligence, BUT... this is a made-up story and it's clear from JKR's comments that we should see this as "all's well that ends well" and not hate Lupin for it.

or because he didn't take the potion that one time (pobody's nerfect and it turned out alright in the end), but because he didn't want people to be frightend of him.

(Did you mean to write "pobody's nerfect"??) I think this is a bit different because, unlike the matter of Sirius, it could have happened again, and Lupin broke what must have been a major condition of his employment. It turned out alright, but it was very close. We can let him off for not telling Dumbledore about Sirius because Sirius wasn't really dangerous, but his wolf side is. I'm afraid I think he was right to resign.

I think that a lot of Lupin's pleasantness comes from not wanting people to think he's a stereotypical werewolf. That's why he sometimes acts rather sharply to people who know him very well - he's not so afraid to speak his mind. So I think he does appreciate that his friends accept him for what he is. He might think differently about an actual romance, though.

That raises the question of if Lupin weren't a werewolf, would his personality then be a lot different? Would he be less shy, more of a dominant personality, more of a joker? However I agree that Lupin's personality is sculpted by the fact that he's a werewolf; I think he suppresses himself.

Sirius and Remus' personalities go really well together. In a...let's say Sirius was a woman, I could see them being suited for a romantic relationship in the books even, because they meet each other on a mental basis and complement each other.

Having thought about it some more, I don't think Tonks would be his ideal partner. Their interaction in chapter 3 was probably just to establish her character and show how well he gets on with the Order members. They have a fair-sized emotional maturity gap, despite his mischievous past, and they also have a big emotional baggage gap. He's got enough baggage for a train of mules and she's just got a small rucksack.

Exactly...he understands things she probably doesn't quite yet, and has been through a lot more in his life. That isn't to say that Tonks is an immature school girl, but I don't think Lupin and Tonks meet each other at the same level.

Whatever it technically was, Dumbledore seems to have forgiven Lupin for it. Anyway, they probably wouldn't have been able to do anything if they had known. They wouldn't have had any new defence tactics - all that could have been done was to keep a look-out and, hey, people were already doing that. Nobody but Harry saw the ominous black dog, so it's not as though anybody had seen it and thought 'Oh, it's just a doggy, I'll let it by'.


I think this is a bit different because, unlike the matter of Sirius, it could have happened again, and Lupin broke what must have been a major condition of his employment. It turned out alright, but it was very close. We can let him off for not telling Dumbledore about Sirius because Sirius wasn't really dangerous, but his wolf side is. I'm afraid I think he was right to resign.

No, it wasn't a condition of his employment at all. He attended the school as a student without the potion!

He messed up, but it was because he'd seen that the murderer was in the proximity of students. He'd seen the name 'Peter Pettigrew'. Nobody can be expected to be level-headed in the circumstances. It's not like he just forgot because he was distracted by an interesting book. How could it possibly ever happen again? How many times do things like that happen?

I'm not sure that he suspected Sirius was innocent but there were definitely some big gaping holes in the story of his guilt.

Yes, I'm sure he guessed that Peter was guilty when he saw the Map. Or he was forming an idea. Or, at the very least, he realised that something was amiss. That's why he ran out without taking the potion. You could say afterwards what he should have done (like told somebody when he saw the Map, rather than rush out himself) but then you're not giving him credit for being human. He wanted to know for himself. He wanted to see Sirius and Peter with his own eyes. He also, as it turned out, wanted to kill Peter.

Anyway, I don't think it's fair to throw away the key on him. Harry's not pressing charges, so to speak. Besides, Hogwarts isn't like other schools. That's not to say that it's a lovely place of goodness and rainbows - it's not even close - it just works differently. If it was like any other school, Filch and Snape would probably have been thrown out years ago. Dumbledore has different ideas on what makes good staff. Wizards and witches have different ideas on just about everything.

Anyway, despite his mistakes, Lupin is the best Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher Harry's had so far. And, personally, I don't think it looks like he's going to be replaced in that.

Sorry, this is right off topic, isn't it?

So... Tonks and Lupin... she's a girl and he's a man... doesn't mean they must end up together.

Nobody but Harry saw the ominous black dog, so it's not as though anybody had seen it and thought 'Oh, it's just a doggy, I'll let it by'.

But Lupin did work out how Sirius had been getting in, and if he'd spoken up, people would have known what they were looking for. And how do we know that only Harry saw the dog? We're stuck in his point of view.


No, it wasn't a condition of his employment at all. He attended the school as a student without the potion!

What I really meant was, it's a condition of his employment (and was a condition of his education) that he should take all possible precautions to reduce the chances of anyone getting hurt by his wolf side. Even if Dumbledore didn't spell it out, Lupin must have taken his obligation very seriously. Not only did he forget his potion on that fateful night, he failed to take the alternative measure of staying in the Shack. Yes, he had just witnessed a very distracting turn of events, but considering he's been a werewolf for 30-odd years, had just been talking about his condition and reminded by Snape that he hadn't taken the potion, it does look very negligent of him to forget it was his time of the month, go out to the grounds, and indeed chain himself (indirectly) to a student! Was he really thinking, "I'm going to turn into a raging beast very soon, but it doesn't matter because Sirius will fight me off my best friend's son and his friends"? Not likely, considering his admission "I could have bitten any of you". Remember how things got pretty hairy for the future Harry and Hermione. I don't hold this against him, it had to happen for the plot to work, but I can understand why he beat himself up about it.

Off-topic rambling over now.

I don't think that Lupin and Tonks will get together, I get the feeling that Tonks likes girls a bit more than guys. Or maybe I just don't want Lupin to get with anyone cause I loves him...

I know this is ENTIRELY off-topic, but I have to defend Lupin...I mean, come on, I'm the one who deep-fried Harry Potter for a mere slip of the tongue...

He made a mistake by not taking the potion, yes, but put yourself in the guy's place. Seeing that Pettigrew was alive, getting to the Shrieking Shack and finding out that Sirius was innocent...that was no minor event. That was probably one of the most emotional moments of Lupin's life. Discovering the truth after thirteen lonely years must have pretty much driven everything else out of his mind- it would have done the same to anyone. People forget all kinds of stupid things at emotional times. It wasn't negligence.
I think if anybody ever had an excuse to forget something important, then Lupin had an excuse that night.

I think if anybody ever had an excuse to forget something important, then Lupin had an excuse that night.
I would agree, except if there was ever something important that could not be forgotten, it was drinking that potion.

More off-topic stuff...

But Lupin did work out how Sirius had been getting in, and if he'd spoken up, people would have known what they were looking for. And how do we know that only Harry saw the dog? We're stuck in his point of view.

The sight of a huge black and ominous dog causes a bit more than mild confusion in the wizarding world. Think 'Grim'!

If not, think 'There's a bloody massive dog walking around. How odd!'.

it does look very negligent of him to forget it was his time of the month, go out to the grounds, and indeed chain himself (indirectly) to a student! plot to work, but I can understand why he beat himself up about it.


He didn't just forget that he happened to be a werewolf, though. If something can push that to the back of your mind it has to be very important. And it was.

Besides, he probably took some earlier that day. When he drank from the goblet that Snape brought him in front of Harry he said that he should probably take some later. Maybe it was a risk, but not a certainty, that he'd had too little potion that night to go out.

hesdead-dealwithit, it was important. But the thing with Peter was important and sudden. It's oh-so-easy to critisise afterwards, but few people would have been chilly enough to be level-headed in a situation like that.

I'm not saying what he did was the right thing. I'm just saying, and I said before, that people shouldn't be so ready to throw away the key on him just because he acted like almost every other human being would have. He shouldn't beat himself up over it. It was a noble gesture to resign, but being noble isn't always right either. He's still the best teacher they ever had. A couple of mistakes, however big, doesn't take that away. I half want to slap him around the face and say 'Pull yourself together, man!'. Harry doesn't hold a grudge. Ron and Hermione apparently don't hold a grudge. Dumbledore doesn't hold a grudge and it's his bloomin' school! So Lupin shouldn't hold a grudge aganst himsef about it, either. Come to think about it, none of the fans should hold a grudge. If Harry isn't pressing charges there's no point in playing the jury.

PS: you notice Lupin the wolf ran into the forest? Perhaps it was only because Sirius chased him, but he ran away from humans and didn't really come out. Maybe he had some control after all. Or maybe he just had a hankering for giant spider.

I don't think homosexuality would ever be explicitly discussed in Harry Potter; even if JKR wrote it in (which I doubt she would), I don't think it would get past the editorial stage because like it or not, third graders do read these books.

Well there was a bit where Dudley says to Harry in OOTP "Who's Cedric? Your boyfriend." That's homosexuality being mentioned.

hesdead-dealwithit, it was important. But the thing with Peter was important and sudden. It's oh-so-easy to critisise afterwards, but few people would have been chilly enough to be level-headed in a situation like that.

Ah..the situation with Peter. I still find it hard to believe that Lupin could forget his imminent transformation when he's just been talking about his condition AND Snape had said that he hadn't taken the potion. The fact that Peter was there made it MORE important that Lupin should take precautions -
if he hadn't transformed in the grounds, they might just have got Peter to the castle, and then what wouldn't have happened? Poor Lupin might be blaming himself for the Second War by now.


Come to think about it, none of the fans should hold a grudge. If Harry isn't pressing charges there's no point in playing the jury.

I don't know if any fans do hold a grudge about the potion thing (some do about his silence to Dumbledore). I certainly don't. But it's just not good for a teacher to put their students in avoidable danger like that. In any case, DADA teachers just aren't allowed to last more than one year in this series.

PS: you notice Lupin the wolf ran into the forest? Perhaps it was only because Sirius chased him, but he ran away from humans and didn't really come out. Maybe he had some control after all. Or maybe he just had a hankering for giant spider.

He ran away from some humans, but he ran towards some other humans...the second Harry and Hermione. Remember when they had to dash to Hagrid's hut?

I qualify that more as dudley being a moron than homosexuality....

I agree Lupin forgetting his potion was a big mistake, but lets not take this to far, this just had to happen to make the story right. For some reason it was important to JKR that Sirius wasnt accepted by society.

Oh, I know it had to happen for the plot to work. That's why I don't hold it against him, but I can understand why he beat himself up for it.

And now for something completely different, and slightly closer to the topic:



As for the implied Sirius/Remus, a few things...

1. Re-read the section of chapter four where Sirius and Molly are arguing about how much to tell Harry about the Order. Remus plays the same role to Sirius that Arthur plays to Molly.

So what? It's not just couples who act like couples. Old friends can do too. Lupin had the guts to disagree with Sirius on a very emotive issue in this scene - I can't imagine him risking a unique relationship that way. His friendship with Sirius is no more precious to him than his standing with the Order.

2. Remus is living with Sirius. Harry makes note of the fact that Remus is 'staying with Sirius'. Not that he is staying at Grimmauld Place like he and the Weasleys are, but that he is STAYING WITH SIRIUS. Let's not forget that Remus already has his own place (DD told Sirius to lie low there at the end of GoF) and that no one else in the Order is living at Grimmauld Place.

Lupin is "staying with Sirius" because Sirius is the one who's living in the house all the time (and owns it). Lupin has his own place, but I should think he can get better accommodation and food at Grimmauld Place. Him being there might be important for his Order work, and he's generally good at curbing Sirius's reckless tendencies.

3. Three words -- Joint Christmas Presents

Four words -- Lupin Has No Money! Why did he give with Sirius rather than anyone else? I think Lupin was subtly trying to show Harry that he cared at various points in the book. He thought that the best way to get Harry to notice this was to give him a present with the person Harry cared for most. But Harry was too wrapped up in Sirius to notice.

4. Movie!Canon rather than Book!Canon, but Gary Oldman as Sirius has a tatoo on his chest that is the alchemical symbol for the conjugation of the Moon and Sun. Remus=Moony, Sirius=Dog Star, a sun.

Even if it wasn't just the movie, this might as well mean that Sirius should have been with Luna!

5. Not Sirius/Remus specifically, but notice how all the girls are checking out Sirius in the Pensieve scene... and notice how he does not acknowledge them in any way whatsoever, while James tries very purposefully to get their attention.

Maybe he was just slower at emotional development, like Ron. Edit: or maybe he already had someone who wasn't there. So many possibilities.

6. As for their compatibility... well, we know they are very, very close friends. They are compatible in that sense, definately more than Remus and Tonks

Yes, they're close friends. But consider that Sirius (according to Hermione) has been "very lonely for a long time" and was hung up on Harry at the expense of all else. Consider that Lupin showed even less denial than Phineas Nigellus when Sirius died. I think they were friends, and better off that way.

Go Puffskein!

*clears throat* Sorry. I agree with everything you said there...very well put. It seems that people are unable to come to terms with the fact that it is possible for two grown men to have a very close friendship. Friendship!

There might be an age difference thought, but Lupin is around 35, and Tonks seems to be around 28..so it isn't that bad.

Actually, tonks is about 22. And Lupin is around 40 (in an interview once J.K. Rowling said Snape was 38 in book 3 and Lupin and Snape are like the same age). But either way who cares about the age difference if they love each other? (I mean I know some people care about age factor in love, but I don't)

The age difference between Tonks and Lupin would make any romance between them a bit...er..."Creepy" to me. I thought that she was only around 20 something, and Lupin in his mid thirties.

Yep the age difference is kinda disturbing, but when you see that Dumbledore is 150, you begin to think that 10 or 15 years are not THAT much...Anyway, I think JK said Snape was 35 in book 3 (not sure), which means that Lupin is about 37 or 38 in book OotP, but did she ever mention how old Tonks was (if she did I totally forgot it...but that would not be surprising...) ?

It couldn't work...there kids would be warewolfs too!!!

lol hey that's a problem too...But do you really think that werewolves' children have to be werewolves too ? Is this something "inherited" ? I can't remember, was Lupin born a werewolf ? Anyway, I don't say that it WILL happen, I just think that would be cute. Lupin is one of my favourite characters and I think he deserves to be happier than he is (especially now that he has lost his best friend), and Tonks is very cheerful, full of life and so she could help him. But as I said, it's just a silly thought...

lol how do you know that? heheheh


Yes, they're close friends. But consider that Sirius (according to Hermione) has been "very lonely for a long time" and was hung up on Harry at the expense of all else. Consider that Lupin showed even less denial than Phineas Nigellus when Sirius died. I think they were friends, and better off that way.
That could also be because he knew what was behind the veil and did not want Harry to see and
Lupin turned away from the archway as he spoke. It sounded as though every word was
causing him pain.
This quote clearly states he was greatly affected by his death and the books are from Harry's POV not Lupin's so I doubt we'll ever find out :p


I liked Sirius and Remus as a couple but now that Sirius is dead I really do wish there was nothing in between them because if it was so, Remus would be deeply hurt :(

Either way he has lost his *only* best friend and I hope he is happy, so I'm all for Tonks and Lupin! I really hope she is not evil! I just want Lupin to be happy at last...

He has had a horrible life - all his friends dead, hated by wizards...like those painful transformations weren't bad enough *shudder* So I desperately do want him to be very happy and I love Tonks!

I love the idea of Lupin and Tonks, though I doubt it would really happen. I bet Jo hasn't even THOUGHT of the possibility, and is now sitting at her computer, completely weirded out that our minds somehow came to the conclusion that they should be in love o_O.

Like I said, I love the pairing (I've even come up with kids for them, for Christ's sake!), but I'm not all that optomistic of it happening...

And, for a bit of off-topicness:

I agree with everyone who doesn't believe in the S/R pairing: Are two men not allowed to be close friends and nothing more these days? Yeesh.

As for the whole Lupin-might-pass-on-his-lycanthropy-to-his-hypothetical-kids thing...I've always seen it as being perhaps a 50/50 thing. They COULD inherit it, but there's also the chance that they might NOT. In the case of the little Lupinlings I came up with, yes, they did inherit it, but that doesn't mean that if they had had siblings that they'd have inherited it as well. In FB, it says that the only a human can become a werewolf if by the Bite, but if they were BORN werewolves...*whistles*.

Hey, they had to have it to make the plot work!

*Hopes at least SOMEONE followed her post*

I agree with everyone who doesn't believe in the S/R pairing: Are two men not allowed to be close friends and nothing more these days? Yeesh.


But obviously a man and a woman aren't allowed to be close friends and nothing more.

Personally, I think that a relationship, in general, between a man and a woman is no different (apart from the obvious ;) ) from a relationship between a man and a man. Love is love. Men can be close friends with other men without being in love, but they can fall in love, too. I think that Sirius and Remus could fall in love, if they've not already.

But, unfortunately, I don't really think that Rowling will write it that way. While in my ideal society homosexuality should be as accepted as heterosexuality is, it's not, not in modern society. I'm sure Rowling's aware of this. Maybe she didn't mean for them to appear as lovers... but we can always speculate, right? That's what all shippers do.

But obviously a man and a woman aren't allowed to be close friends and nothing more.

Ah, after I posted I was wondering how long it would be before someone used my own words against me like that. :p

xD Well, now we have to wait and see who will use my words against me.

I’ve always imagined Tonks be a lesbian

Maybe it’s the first impression of her having short spiky hair.
And she kind of speaks like a lesbian .. if you know what I mean.

I'm not sure a lesbian speaks or looks a certain way to be able to make that judgement. I'm not saying Tonks isn't, just that I'm not its possible to tell the way you mean :) I like the idea of Tonks and Lupin, she can be the yin to his yang and lift him out his gloom :D

Sorry I didn’t articulate that idea very well. i’m absolutely exhausted

I guess her vocabulary is quite masculine and the short hair and the clumsiness
… maybe shes just a tomboy.

I think Lupin’s too old though it would be nice to see him happy..
I thinks is she was into men, she'd be more likely to be with Charlie Weasley
It would be good to see her interact with Fleur Delacour as they seem like complete opposites.
Maybe they could both go to the Weasleys for Christmas dinner .. that’d be interesting.

I don't think Lupin really wants to be with anyone because of what Mort said. Plus give Tonks and Lupin thing a break... I mean Sirius is the cousin of Tonks mother right, that will make Sirius and Lupin at the same age as Tonks parents... pleasseee...


that's a very valid point. besides the age thing, i just don't see them as very compatible. as i'm sure people have already mentioned, lupin's the quiet, polite type, and tonks seems way too robustuous and energetic. if he wouldn't get annoyed by her, i think she'd get bored by him. even though it's not his fault, he's pretty much always tired and ill, right? i just can't see someone like tonks dealing with that for very long.

as for the remus/ sirius pairing, though i do enjoy it in fanfiction (i'm such a r/s shipper) i don't think rowling meant to make them seem like lovers.

finally, though i don't think tonks is a lesbian, i just don't see her with a mate. i don't know. i don't see remus with anyone either, though for different reasons.

remus seems very introverted. if he he's afraid to even make casual aquaintences, i certainly don't see him getting very close with someone in that way. friends he's known since school are one thing, but it's different for someone of the opposite sex, to have that sort of relationship with. do you see what i mean? he's just the kind of guy to keep others at bay, even close friends.

I think you people are fogetting that this is a Kids books :p

Tonks and Lupin would be good together! He seems very laid back and down to earth. Tonks is energetic and exciting! I think they would complement each other quite well!

Noone can have Lupin cos he is MINE!!!!!!! That would be good though!!!

I think you people are fogetting that this is a Kids books :p


not technically...........this book appeals to all ages. but i see what you're saying...... it would be a bit , er, inappropriate to have somebody (lupin) get together with someone who is young enough to be his child ( tonks).

I can't really see them together but no, he's all for me! wish i could find a real life Lupin :love:

Noone can have Lupin cos he is MINE!!!!!!! That would be good though!!!
...Fangirls...oy...
I agree with whoever said that Tonks and Lupin, far from complementing eachother, would probably get bored with eachother.
Teamed up with the age thing, they don't seem to be a very likely couple.
Plus, between the Order, mourning, and his Lycanthropy, I don't think we'll be seeing much of his love life.

Just my two knuts.

I used to be a Tonks and Snape shipper, but that was mostly because I suspected she would be made next DADA teacher and put Snape in a perfect position to develop a crush. However, all these points about Lupin and Tonks make that a much better ship in my opinion, so I hope they go for it in the next two books. We need a little ray of light amidst the clouds.

not technically...........this book appeals to all ages. but i see what you're saying...... it would be a bit , er, inappropriate to have somebody (lupin) get together with someone who is young enough to be his child ( tonks).

o_O. Tonks isn't THAT young. She's got to be at least 23-24, and Lupin is in his mid to late 30s.

Tonks and Lupin?Not really likely...she's quite a bit younger than him,too young IMO,besides being his best friend's niece.And though the idea is sweet,I just don't really see it happening.They have a good working relationship and a lot of respect for each other,but still...
If anyone should get paired with Tonks it's Bill Weasley,they're closer in age and there's also the hair factor :lol: .Or if Fleur is an insurmountable obstacle,Tonks'd be good for Charlie too-they seem to both be a bit touched in the head-Tonks about her hair,Charlie about dragons....go figure.

i think we just all want lupin to be happy

poor guy, i certainly want something good to happen to him...

That's totally cute!! Aww... I can just see it now... Lupin having someone to be protective of besides the trio...

o_O. Tonks isn't THAT young. She's got to be at least 23-24, and Lupin is in his mid to late 30s.

ok .... so i might've exaggerated a bit. but you know what i'm getting at

I love the idea of Lupin and Tonks. The 10-15 year age difference is irrelevant in the real world and especially in the long-lived wizarding world. Her perky personality is just what the withdrawn and somber Lupin needs to perk him up. However, I think that both of them are doomed. They could have a brief fling, but die later.

And as for Harry and Tonks, no way. JKR would not write such a romance since having an adult pair up with a kid in school is yucky if you think about it.

And where in the world did this Sirus/Remus stuff come from? JKR was only showing the kind of brothrely attachment and comraderie typical of young men in school. The friendships made in boarding schools can last a lifetime since the classmates become part of an extended family (they substitute for distant real families).

She would not even imply a homsexual relationship due to the young age of some of the readers. This is a coming-of-age fable and nothing else. Loyalty and devotion to friends is prominent in the books. There may be subtle hints and foreshadowing of things to come in future books, but there is no secret homesexual subtext.

She would not even imply a homsexual relationship due to the young age of some of the readers. This is a coming-of-age fable and nothing else. Loyalty and devotion to friends is prominent in the books. There may be subtle hints and foreshadowing of things to come in future books, but there is no secret homesexual subtext.

No, but if she did, that would be freaking hilarious as well as bizarre.

It could happen. They do spend quite a lot of book time together, and the age difference can't be too bad.

Opposites attract, they say.

Plus, both are going to be devistated by Sirius' untimely passing, so they will need someone to be a comfort.

Oh good grief! :) :) :p ;) The age thing is not that big a deal! My sister in law is 11 years older than my brother. My other brother is 41, and his fiance is 32. My oldest friend is 39, and dates a woman who is 25. I'm dating a guy at work who is 48. Lupin having grey hair doesn't mean much either. My boss is going to be 34 next month and already haslots of grey hair, much more than Lupin is being described as having. I knew a boy in 7th grade who had visibly grey hairs at the age of 12-13. He was very grey at 18, and white haired by 30. I'll be 37 in September, and have no grey hair at all.

I can see Lupin and Tonks together, they complement one another. But not until after the whole thing is over, assuming both survive

I say, if he can't be with Sirius, he'd better end up with Tonks!

...hehe.

Personally, I am utterly in love with Remus/Tonks. From the moment that Remus introduced Tonks in the beginning of OOTP, I was hooked. I really do hope it happens cause I think that Remus has been too alone in his life. It'd really sadden me if Jo decides to let him live, but have him live a life alone and by himself, considering that Remus is one of her favorite characters. There is the possibility of him dying, which, in time, I may have to accept if he does die, but the alternative of him living alone really breaks my heart. I really want him to settle with someone, and for me I'd like it to be Tonks.

As for the age difference, according to the years of Auror training and how long before Tonks became an official Auror, I think that she's around 23. And Remus is around 35 in OOTP (since he and Snape were in the same year, and Jo said that he was 35 in an interview). Personally, I think love has no age and opposites attract (like Ron/Hermione hee!). This could be the case for Remus and Tonks. (One can only hope.)

I never really saw anything in Sirius/Remus either. I see them as brothers. Remus did "embrace him like a brother" at the end of book 3. Strictly platonic-brotherly love, I say.

Yep, I've had my say. :)

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but the HP Lexicon says Tonks is perhaps 6 years older than Harry, so she would be about 22 now

Tonks has a very special gift, and Lupin has a very special curse. Lupin is pale and shabbily dressed, Tonks has pink hair (usually..:p), a young, stylish personality, and is bright and interesting. ARE YOU INSANE?! :elaugh:

Tonks + Lupin = a very weird, interesting couple.. i like it! :eyebrows:

hopefully they both make it to the end.. :sad:

Well, honestly, I think the chances of a romance involving anybody in the Order is highly unlikely. The point is not to meet people, it's to fight against Voldemort.


Hehe... The OotP dating servace....

Hmmm... I'd like an "Old tired looking" young wizard that turns into an awfull beast... Must Not Smoke

RSVP ASAP ~Jai

Lol, but he's such a nice werewolf...oddly, I kind of like this Tonks/Lupin thing. She's got enough energy to not let her boyfriend being a werewolf get her down. And he could always do something about his clothes. He could go on Wizard Eye for the Werewolf Guy or something. But really, even if it's not Tonks, I'd like to see Lupin get together with somebody (er, but preferably not Mrs. Weasley, hehe). If Snape gets a lover in Book 7, why not Lupin?

Lupin definitely needs some lovin' in his life. All of his best friends have been lost to Voldemort or the fight against him. He needs some happiness and Tonks is just the right chick to give it to him.:eyebrows:


Personally, I'm seeing Harry as the one to give Lupin "some lovin'" AND NO NOT IN THE CREEPY UNCLE PERVY WAY!!! I think Harry Loves Lupin like family... That really has ta do something... Being loved in a family way.

I think you people are fogetting that this is a Kids books :p


not technically...........this book appeals to all ages. but i see what you're saying...... it would be a bit , er, inappropriate to have somebody (lupin) get together with someone who is young enough to be his child ( tonks).

XMoonyX means that you don't put homosexual relationships in kids books. Regardless of what an ideal world view (i.e no homophobia) might dictate, these are childrens books that adults like to read and not vice versa. And JKR knows that. The fact that the books are intelligent and richly plotted does not change the fact that they are written for children.

However, she would not be concerned with a 15 year age difference between Tonks and Remus, especially since wizards are so long-lived. I am sure lots of the children reading the books come from families with that much of an age spread. On the other hand, it would be sort like child molestation for Tonks to have a relationship with Harry while he was still in school. But remember that we are just discussing what we would like to see, not what is actually there or will be there.

Just to point out first, i did not start this thread because i keep getting people confusing me for the other user nymphodora. I am Nymphadora*. Just clearling it up because there has been too much confusion. :D

It would be very odd to have Tonks and Lupin get together. Like it has been discussed before, Lupin is quite older than Tonks. It would be nice, yet it would be strangely weird to have two people with such age differences. Not that i'm saying that people who are together with considerable age differences are weird, i'm saying for Tonks and Lupin, i don't think it would happen.

I don't know that it's such a big deal. Lots and lots of adults with similar age differences fall in love, and it isn't seen as 'odd'...

I saw nothing in the text to suggest anything between thm other than frienship. I should imagine that her mother was at school with Remus etc and that what with him being friends with her cousin, that The tonks family and Remus have stayed close since voldies 'downfall'.
He's more a father type guy.

I saw nothing in the text to suggest anything between thm other than frienship. I should imagine that her mother was at school with Remus etc and that what with him being friends with her cousin, that The tonks family and Remus have stayed close since voldies 'downfall'.
He's more a father type guy.
I agree...Lupin is very fatherly, it would only make sense that he'd try and keep Tonks out of trouble.

Lupin/Tonks is all about wanting our lovely Lupin to be happy. Can Tonks make him Happy? No I don't think so (not like that) There probably is someone better suited to Remus we just haven't met yet.

Personally, I dont think we will see who he ends up with... these books are harry potter and the BLANK... not Remus J. Lupin and the BLANK... she will probably end with the everyone not dead on in Az. prison is happy the end thing>>>

I hope not.

What? Me? Have a crush on Lupin? No!

*shifty glances*

First time reading through OotP, I remember thinking, "hmmm.... Tonks and Lupin ~ maybe they'll get together. They seem like they would make a good pair." But after that I never really thought about it again. I think it would be nice to see Lupin "happily in love" but I really don't see the books headed into that direction. So I guess that's why we all play out these possiblities here, in our heads, and in fandom. :)

hmmm i wouldnt see it... but lupin seems like the responsible older type which balances out tonks wild nature.. and she makes money to support both of them so... i approve

I think that it would be incredibally cute and that they would fit together well, but I don't think J.K. will be introducing alot of sudden romance in the last 2 books.

Personally, I don't think Lupin will end up with Tonks. As many have probably pointed out, he's much older than her. I think she'll be a good friend for him, but no more than that.

And I agree with you angel4christ that we won't be seeing a lot of romance in books 6 and 7. With the war coming, there won't be much time for romance.

And I agree with you angel4christ that we won't be seeing a lot of romance in books 6 and 7. With the war coming, there won't be much time for romance.

well, you never know. it could be like a tragic romance where the woman( tonks) loses her true love ( lupin) in battle. but on a more serious note, i do agree a little. there might not be any romance for lupin and tonks, but i'm pretty sure that hermione and ron are gonna finally hit it off. i also think harry might fall in love with ginny. i mean , it's destined to be. ginny has the similar qualities of lily's, and of course harry somewhat reflects his father in himself, especially looks. they might repeat history!

RE: Sirius/Remus... and whether or not JKR would include homosexuality in her books


As for the implied Sirius/Remus, a few things...

1. Re-read the section of chapter four where Sirius and Molly are arguing about how much to tell Harry about the Order. Remus plays the same role to Sirius that Arthur plays to Molly.

2. Remus is living with Sirius. Harry makes note of the fact that Remus is 'staying with Sirius'. Not that he is staying at Grimmauld Place like he and the Weasleys are, but that he is STAYING WITH SIRIUS. Let's not forget that Remus already has his own place (DD told Sirius to lie low there at the end of GoF) and that no one else in the Order is living at Grimmauld Place.

3. Three words -- Joint Christmas Presents

4. Movie!Canon rather than Book!Canon, but Gary Oldman as Sirius has a tatoo on his chest that is the alchemical symbol for the conjugation of the Moon and Sun. Remus=Moony, Sirius=Dog Star, a sun.

5. Not Sirius/Remus specifically, but notice how all the girls are checking out Sirius in the Pensieve scene... and notice how he does not acknowledge them in any way whatsoever, while James tries very purposefully to get their attention.

6. As for their compatibility... well, we know they are very, very close friends. They are compatible in that sense, definately more than Remus and Tonks

I think Sirius/Remus was definately implied in OotP. I do not see how having characters in same sex relationships should be verbotan in a book 'for kids' (not that I think the books are 'for kids', and coincidentily, neither does JKR), then again, I was raised to treat all people with respect, no matter what their sexual orientation.


1) Remus is Sirius' oldest living friend. He has the influence over him that no one else in the room would have. My friends and I (who are NOT gay) do the same thing for each other. It has nothing to do with a romantic involvement.

2)He's staying with Sirius. Sirius is the only one at Number 12 besides Kreacher, usually. They are friends. They are in the same house. This proves nothing.

3) Three more words: Lupin is poor. Sirius is quite wealthy, from what we've seen. They decide to get him the books and put both their names on the card. Again, nothing to suggest a romantic relationship.

4) I've seen other places that suggest other translations for the tattoos.

5)Maybe Sirius already had a girlfriend who was younger or older and wasn't taking the tests that day. Maybe he wasn't interested in anyone who was nearby. James is trying to get LILY's attention, and she happens to be in the group of girls he keeps looking at. Besides, all it says is that Sirius didn't SEEM to notice the girls watching him. It was probably just the way he was-he got so much attention that he just started pretending to be all nonchalant so they'd like him even more for being hard to get.

6) I have two very very close friends. We are all girls. We do not have romantic or sexual feelings for each other.

on a lighter note, i don't think Tonks and Lupin are right for each other. I think Tonks would be better for Bill or Charlie Weasley, or that she already has a boyfriend, someone we haven't met.

hmmmm, I don't think age much matters when it comes to that sort of thing in the wizarding world. I do think it would make an excellent chapter in a book.

I cringe even thinking about this theory! I just honestly can't stand Tonks at all. She reminds me a bit of some of the female characters in Jane Austin's books, and I can't stand them, either ;) Lupin deserves better!

J.K. Rowling said "Though still quite young, Lupin's hair was spotted gray." (Sorry, it's a quote from memory) Lupin really isn't that young anymore. He's around 35, and that is really reaching middle age. So it could be the same for Tonks. Rowling said that Tonks was young, so she is probaly a bit older than what we think. And it seems that she went to Hogwarts, and we never heard of her.
Hey 35 is NOWHERE NEAR middle age!!!! It really isn't!!!!! Trust me I know (never mind how *g*) and I think Tonk's is a good bit younger than Lupin... but not necessarily to young for him to date.

She dresses like someone in thier 20's what with the spiky hair and the T-shirt advertising the rock band and jeans and the way she talks about her parents... like she loves them but they get on her nerves a bit... makes me think she's in her 20's also.

She just made Auror and that training takes three years and McGonigal saying they hadn't taken anyone in three years to be an Auror simply could mean she was the last one they took. If she left at 17 that would make her 20 or 21 now and would mean she left Hogwarts the year before Harry entered it.

Well, if you watch "Gilmore Girls" - Lorelei wears sometimes the same clothes, and she's about 35.

I think Tonks is the same age as Charlie Weasley, and he's about 25. Not old, but not that young anymore, you know.

What hit me - the only moments when we see Lupin in Ootp, she's beside him (except the moments, when Sirius is there). Maybe that's a hint?

i see a better chance of harry getten with tonks then lupin getten with tonks :rotfl:

I like Lupin/Tonks. A lot. But if this happens...well with Lupin's luck, she'll probably be accused of murder because she tripped over the dais and pushed someone through the veil and be sent to Azkaban or something. :huh:

I've always wondered wiether or not Tonks tripped on the steps or weither Bellatrix hit her with a spell. The book just says that Harry saw her falling...
I should imagine she'd feel very guilty that Sirius died fighting someone she should've stopped.

Lupin and Tonks that'd be a really cute couple :p. What about the age difference??

I really love lupin and Tonks fanfiction. It's always so cute! I hope they get together in the book. I couldn't stand if they didn't have a happy ending... together.

I love Lupin. He is my favorite character, and I would really like to see him happily ever after with someone fun like Tonks. But... in the big scheme of things, I think he is doomed. I'll miss him even more than Sirius and I miss Sirius a lot.

Tonks and Lupin... that sounds neat! A ten year age difference isn't so bad if she's in her mid twenties... after all I'm counting down until Dan is 18 :rotfl:

When I read the book I had a sensition that Lupin and tonks were together and I like that ideia, I really like it. Lupin is alone, he only have Harry, he needs someone to be and love. Tonks is the perfect women for him, funny, pretty and she love him too (I think).

Have fun... :D

I think Lupin needs his woman now. He's not exactly getting any younger, you know. I could see Tonks being the one. In OOTP, Tonks seems to have somewhat a handle on him:

"Looks like we'll have to split up," said Tonks........"Fred, George, and Ginny, if you just take those seats at the back...Remus can stay with you..."

:elaugh: Very cute, don't you think? She tells Remus what to do. *sigh*

I think they will make quite an interesting if not funny couple! ... Lupins down to earth while Tonks is more of a youthful person! But its quite unlikely though JK should have mentioned somthing by now.. poor Lupin hes destined to be alone.! Hmm... I wonder who will play Tonks in the movies.. *sigh* too bad she only starts to appear in book 5

I think Lupin needs his woman now. He's not exactly getting any younger, you know. I could see Tonks being the one. In OOTP, Tonks seems to have somewhat a handle on him:

"Looks like we'll have to split up," said Tonks........"Fred, George, and Ginny, if you just take those seats at the back...Remus can stay with you..."

:elaugh: Very cute, don't you think? She tells Remus what to do. *sigh*
She also told Fred and George what to do...O.o

*Bracing myself to be hit with fruit*

I REALLY don't like the idea of Lupin and Tonks together, mostly because Tonks is the only chracter in the series that I'm just not interested in - her ability to transform into ANYONE is a bit much. Certain person into certain animal is really cool - but morphing into anyone? What is she - an X man? Maybe she can fly too...

I'm certainly not against someone being clumsy - but it's too extreme. How does she even hold onto her wand? Not to mention the whole "punk rock" thing. She's just...lame.

Lupin needs someone humorous and feisty - I'm still hoping a cool female character emerges from his school days. And someone closer to his own age - JK describes Tonks as "really young" (20?). Lupin's in his late 30's. Gross!

Lupin needs someone humorous and feisty - I'm still hoping a cool female character emerges from his school days. And someone closer to his own age - JK describes Tonks as "really young" (20?). Lupin's in his late 30's. Gross!

I really want Lupin to live happily ever after. And Tonks is a fun person for him to end up with. A 10 to 15 year spread for a relationship isn't odd in the muggle world, and it surely wouldn't be so in the long-lived wizarding world.

But...

I think Lupin is doomed. And since Tonks is so cute and so likable, I think she will turn evil.

*Bracing myself to be hit with fruit*

I REALLY don't like the idea of Lupin and Tonks together, mostly because Tonks is the only chracter in the series that I'm just not interested in - her ability to transform into ANYONE is a bit much. Certain person into certain animal is really cool - but morphing into anyone? What is she - an X man? Maybe she can fly too...

I'm certainly not against someone being clumsy - but it's too extreme. How does she even hold onto her wand? Not to mention the whole "punk rock" thing. She's just...lame.

*pelts you with a banana* GAH!!! I love Tonks! Begone you!!!

:rotfl: just kidding. I really love her character, but I'm not too sure about her being with Lupin... Can she turn into anyone, or just change her own appearance?? *maybe there's not a difference there...* :huh: I think there's something to her though... what that is, we will found out I am sure in 6 and/or 7.

I think there's something to her though... what that is, we will found out I am sure in 6 and/or 7.

I bet you're right. I mean, Ginny was pretty lame (IMHO) until book 5. Now she's one of my faves!

I really don't think that Tonks and Lupin will get together. I mean, there's not a lot of hints to a relationship like that between them, and thre's also an age difference to consider.

*Bracing myself to be hit with fruit*

I REALLY don't like the idea of Lupin and Tonks together, mostly because Tonks is the only chracter in the series that I'm just not interested in - her ability to transform into ANYONE is a bit much. Certain person into certain animal is really cool - but morphing into anyone? What is she - an X man? Maybe she can fly too...

I'm certainly not against someone being clumsy - but it's too extreme. How does she even hold onto her wand? Not to mention the whole "punk rock" thing. She's just...lame.

Lupin needs someone humorous and feisty - I'm still hoping a cool female character emerges from his school days. And someone closer to his own age - JK describes Tonks as "really young" (20?). Lupin's in his late 30's. Gross!

I could not agree more! I can't stand Tonks and how she's supposed to be all 'alternative'. Urgh! And I'm not even sure where the idea of Lupin and Tonks comes from, I certainly didn't pick up any vibes there when I read it (or maybe that's because I was mainly saying "Urgh!" whenever Tonks was around, so I missed the hints!). Is there anything in the book to back this up, or is it just fun speculation?

I doubt if Lupin or Tonks will get together, theres no evidence pointing to that relationship so....yeah







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Since I heard of the idea of these two together Ive turned into a real Tonks and Lupin shipper. I think they'd b gud together.

Since I heard of the idea of these two together Ive turned into a real Tonks and Lupin shipper. I think they'd b gud together.

I agree with Luvslupin! p.s I have no idea who "Luvslupin" is

But could Tonks adjust to having Lupin turning into a werewolf every full moon? And what if Tonks turns out to be a spy for Voldemort?
We'll have to wait and see, as always..... :sad:

But could Tonks adjust to having Lupin turning into a werewolf every full moon? And what if Tonks turns out to be a spy for Voldemort?
We'll have to wait and see, as always..... :sad:

Eh he could just drink the wolfsbane potion and be calm... I'd put up with it. :D :blush: I hope she's not a spy! I love her!

I really don't think that Lupin and Tonks would go good together. I mean Lupin is probaly like 30 something and Tonks is in her 20's.(not that age counts ;) ) But I think also think that Lupin deserves someone better!

im not too sure about them, i think hes a little old, and maybe everyone is so desperate for lupin to get a girl we see the first 'possable' single lady and link them together, but i did read an interesting anagram of tonks' full name

Nymphadora Tonks = hot spy and no mark

They do have similar personalities so it is possible, and I think it would be a good addition to the books.

They are really good characters in the books, but I don't see them ending up together. Lupin seems to be far more mature than Tonks, and I just can't see him falling for her.

The reason everyone is so desparate for Lupin to get a girl is because JKR wrote his character so we would feel that way! I don't know if he'll get together with Tonks, but it certainly would be nice for one of the Marauders to live happily ever after. I'm sure JKR is well aware that people perceive Remus to be the sensitive sweet type who would be the perfect romantic suiter, because she wrote him that way on purpose! And yes, I am in denial that JKR might kill off Remus just to play on our emotions and drive Harry further into a pit of teenage angsty despair!!! And if that happens, I warn you now that I will be following Harry down into that pit...

And seeing as men never really grow up anyway, what's a little 10 to 15 year age difference?!! ;)

Hey I think that would be awesome! They both have their own personalities that would clash wonderfully! Haha, Tonks-Crazy hair/personality. Very clumsy, but overall a very funny and cool person, and yes they both are against Voldemort. Lupin-A great guy with a sense of adventure. One minor drawback being a werewolf but that could be controlled, also against Voldemort.

The reason everyone is so desparate for Lupin to get a girl is because JKR wrote his character so we would feel that way!

Exactly. Nicely stated. :lol:

And yes, I am in denial that JKR might kill off Remus just to play on our emotions and drive Harry further into a pit of teenage angsty despair!!!

Nah, I don't think she'll kill off Remus...he's the last good Marauder left! (But I shouldn't say anything further on the subject, in case the mods blast me for being off topic. :D )

Nah, I don't think she'll kill off Remus...he's the last good Marauder left! (But I shouldn't say anything further n the subject, in case the mods blast me for being off topic. )
Yeah I don't think Moony'll die. i think Peters silver hand is a red herring. We all think that Remus'll get hurt but I think Peter'll grab someone else with it and they'll be exposed as a werewolf.

Hmmmmmmmmmm... At first I was thinking you're off your gourd to suggest this match. Now that I consider it, it just might work. Perhaps she could morph to a werwolf to keep him company. Of course the danger of her being bitten is still there. But I also have a hard time seeing Lupin settling down with some one if he couldn't provide for them. He just seems like that type of guy. Perhaps with Fudge and possibly Umbridge gone they'll repeal the anti werwolf legislation and he'll be able to get a decent job. Then maybe he can think about a wife and kids...

I've always loved the idea of Tonks and Lupin getting together. They are such unique people and together they would just click. They have so much in common. They are both really nice. They both love Harry and the other kids. They are both also willing to do anything to bring down Lord Voldemort. It's just absolutely perfect.

Lupin is a werewolf and has full knowledge of it. SO, why the HECK would he want to go out/marry a girl if he already does not like anyone near him when he is a wolf. Yes, Tonks can change, but can she change to a animal? If so, that would still make things stupid. What if they had kids? I don't Lupin would want to put his kids in any near danger. If you bring up the subject that maybe they don't have to have kids, I think Lupin would probably like having kids.

ALSO, if he was on the subject of marriage (and we don't know, yes I know that) but he probably would already be married NOW!

Anyway,he wouldn't want to take a chance anyway.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!

There has been people emailing/owling me, and all they do is hound on me that I am agianst the age difference! I AM NOT. The above post is the ONLY post and I put on this thread (save this one) Read it over again! I am getting tired of people ACCUSING me that I'm ALL AGAINST the age difference!

Now, I'm NOT getting mad at people who have disscussed this subject on the threads, you're entitled to your own opinon. But, I find it VERY ANNOYING for people to accuse me of SOMETHING I NEVER POSTED, and only have the nerve to email/owl me privately!!! If you people, who for some reason still think I am aganist the age difference, don't email or owl me. POST IT on the thread so other people can see what idiots you are!

Not that I'm against Lupin or Tonks finding love, but don't you think the books would lose a little something if everyone single suddenly coupled-up?

I'm all for the Tonks/Lupin relationship. Sure, it's got potential problems, but what relationship doesn't. And after all, this is a fantasy series. What should be insurmountable obstacles can be reduced. Besides, aurors have to be good a potions. Maybe Tonks might be especially good at brewing the Wolvesbane potion?

Not that I'm against Lupin or Tonks finding love, but don't you think the books would lose a little something if everyone single suddenly coupled-up?

Yeah, I guess so. Kinda like a pathetic love story where EVERONE ends up with SOMEONE... and that's not exactly real life...

Hmm, a couple thoughts here:

As far as Tonks/Lupin are concerned, I don't especially see it happening (which of course, doesn't mean much ^_~) for many of the same reasons that have been stated in previous posts. But I just thought it was interesting that during this discussion of a possible relationship between the two, the difficulty of their children keeps coming up. And while this is an obvious barrier (doesn't Snape say something in the third movie about becoming a werewolf through heredity? Maybe I'm making that up...) I just wanted to point out that marriage does not automatically imply children. So, maybe there's some hope there yet ^_^
But also I'm bothered by the insistance that JK Rowling won't put a homosexual relationship into her books because they're "for children." Obviously it's up to JKR to decided something like this, and while I don't necessarily expect a gay character to pop up anytime soon, I could see it fitting into her constant theme of tolerance. But anyway, the thing that really bothers me is that homosexuality is regarded as inappropriate for children. Homosexualy relationships can be portrayed in literature at an "age appriprate level" just as easily as heterosexual relationships can. If a character is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they're going to run around having sex with everyone in sight. Staying with Harry Potter here, think about say, Arthur and Molly or even Harry and Cho's kiss in the last book. Here we have a book, read by children, in which two characters are shown in a romantic (and debatably sexual)situation, but no one makes a fuss over the matter because they are straight. Unfortunately, the way our society is at this point in time, if two homosexual characters were shown in the same way - or even acknowledged to being a couple - I don't think that it'd fly. People would have a fit (much like the Hogwarts parents did when dealing with a werewolf teacher! Hey!), which I think is very sad.
And speaking of sad - why do so many people here think that Lupin is going to die!? ;_; Are we going on a gut feeling here, or wishful thinking (I hope not!), or is there something else that I'm just not seeing? That would make me ever-so sad.

I don't really think that they would make a good couple i see no spark there.

for me lupin and tonks do not make a good couple she make a better couple with a weasley maybe charlie

Yeah, I guess so. Kinda like a pathetic love story where EVERONE ends up with SOMEONE... and that's not exactly real life...

I suppose, but I am the kind for those type of happy sappy love stories. :eyebrows:

Wouldnt Tonks and Lupin be like a 20-30 year age gap? Plus I can see Lupin being honorable and not wanting to endanger Tonks with his werewolf transformations.


Demetri

closer to a 15 year gap

closer to a 15 year gap

Ah yes for some reason I was thinking of Lucius's age. Either way that is quite a gap...


Demetri

Well I guess it depends on some people out looks personality I think it is too but to some people it might not be so there is still that door being opened. Just wonder how much they would have in common and why people think they would get together. I don’t see Lupin and Tonks talking that much in the books.

Well I guess it depends on some people out looks personality I think it is too but to some people it might not be so there is still that door being opened. Just wonder how much they would have in common and why people think they would get together. I don’t see Lupin and Tonks talking that much in the books.

I agree with you. If 15 years is going to be overcome then there needs ot be quite an event to push them together.


Demetri

Wow, I just realized how much I truly like this idea, because Tonks can morph during his transformations. But as been said, 15 years is a bit of time. And Tonks is so very clumsy; she would have to be very careful when Remus was transforming.

*runs off to post on the Lupin thread*

Shauna

ohhh I kind of like the idea!!
Because they although the have similar interests, their personalities are not so look like, and I like that, they could complement each other... but before I would like to know more about Tonks, I hope we can know her better! and of course she would have to pass the approval of many (me included) of Lupin's fans!! :p

She struck me as a little too young for Lupin, but whatever. I mean, personally I don't see anything particularly wrong with her, they seemed to get along really great. I don't know if it will happen or how good it will be later, but for now, I'll just say, they make an alright couple. No serious complaints. We don't really know much about her though.

Hi! I'm new. I feel like I am intruding, should I go through some sort of Newness thing first? I never know what to say in these first posts. *sheepish*

Anyhow, Lupin/Tonks is an interesting question, now isn't it?

Regardless of what I think, I would just like to point out that there is no evidence of Tonks really "liking" anyone, let alone Charlie or Bill, so that is not a valid argument against Lupin/Tonks. That being said, there's really no evidence FOR Lupin/Tonks, so just follow my imagination, if you will. Sorry if this has already been posted, I did read most of the thread, but I may have skimmed a bit, forgive me.

What I can offer is that Lupin and Tonks appear together more than once. This doesn't say much, does it? Now I don't have my book to quote, but I can find these quotes on a website somewhere, if anyone would like. Anyhow, the interesting little banter when Tonks is introduced sparked my curiosity. Yes, it could just serve to prove that Tonks does not like to be called by her first name, but the fact remains that Lupin is the one who says it. And, she calls him Remus, which is something few characters do.

And as for Remus being too serious...he has a mischievous side, definitely. I never understand why people believe he could go with Sirius (friends or more), but not Tonks. And if he was in love with Sirius, he might be drawn to Tonks because of that. This can be gone into more deeply, but I'd rather not unless anyone wants to.

Also, they do have certain...similarities. As in they both transform, although one voluntary, the other not. It seems like a common ground to start from. And allow me to stretch a little - at the end of book five, I believe Lupin finishes one of Tonks's sentences. Cute, right?

By all means, correct me because I'm really not sure on some of those details. But man, it's the little details with HP - either they are super important or waaaay off the mark.

I know it's not plausible, and probably will never be canon, but I have been dying to discuss this! So forgive me. I don't think it will happen, but it's a nice dream. And I'm kind of worried that Lupin's going to bite it (haha) before too long, to kind of isolate Harry, so it doesn't matter anyway.

i think JKR makes characters not have a love life in store for them in these books, i really think she TRIES to make it so they're not compatible with anyone lol, seriously...i just can't think of anyone who would be right for lupin (for example) bc he's so blah (sorry cant think of the word) and then all the other characters seem to have something about them that just makes it not work...and sirius, can't think of anyone for him, nor ron, and i just don't see harry/hermione, cause then ron would be left out....