Way Ahead for Deathly Hallows Movie(s) v.5

So I just finished re reading DH and the scene when Hagrid carries harry's body to in front of the school and everyone, specifically McGonagall shouting NO! and Ron, hermione, and Ginny screaming out to Harry, was really chilling. I hope they have this in the movie and that it is as chilling as in the book

I'm with you here, Accio. This scene, for me, will really make or break part II. I know that's putting a lot of store on one scene. But I think that's just how much that scene means to me.

So I just finished re reading DH and the scene when Hagrid carries harry's body to in front of the school and everyone, specifically McGonagall shouting NO! and Ron, hermione, and Ginny screaming out to Harry, was really chilling. I hope they have this in the movie and that it is as chilling as in the book

I get the chills every single time I read that part...I think that scene in particular will make the movie that more emotional. They have to do that justice...I really hope they keep in Mcgonagall's reaction, especially after the Ravenclaw tower scene ( which I desperately hope they keep with McGonagall. Otherwise how are they going to put in the duel between her and Snape?)

But I also really really hope they keep Hagrid in the "Forest Again" scenes and have him carry Harry back to Hogwarts. IMO, that HAS to be in there. Do we have any kind of clues that Hagrid is in these parts in the movie?

I get the chills every single time I read that part...I think that scene in particular will make the movie that more emotional. They have to do that justice...I really hope they keep in Mcgonagall's reaction, especially after the Ravenclaw tower scene ( which I desperately hope they keep with McGonagall. Otherwise how are they going to put in the duel between her and Snape?)

But I also really really hope they keep Hagrid in the "Forest Again" scenes and have him carry Harry back to Hogwarts. IMO, that HAS to be in there. Do we have any kind of clues that Hagrid is in these parts in the movie?

In the trailer you couldnt see Hagrid, just a lot of Death Eaters. Hopefully Hagrid was just out of the shot, I agree I think it's vital that they keep him in these scenes. I hope they keep these scenes 100% to the book.

In the trailer you couldnt see Hagrid, just a lot of Death Eaters. Hopefully Hagrid was just out of the shot, I agree I think it's vital that they keep him in these scenes. I hope they keep these scenes 100% to the book.

Yeah that's was has me worried because we couldn't see Hagrid or Narcissa in these scenes so I am really hoping they were just out of the shot because if they aren't in that scene I am not going to be happy!!

Yeah that's was has me worried because we couldn't see Hagrid or Narcissa in these scenes so I am really hoping they were just out of the shot because if they aren't in that scene I am not going to be happy!!

Wasnt Narcissa in that shot standing next to Lucius?

Wasnt Narcissa in that shot standing next to Lucius?

Was she?? I couldn't see her! Maybe I didn't look hard enough ... :hmm:

The actors in the background are really blurry to me so I can't make out who is who.

Can't see Hagrid at all and I'm sure he would stand out. But wasn't there meant to be a camp-fire as well? Or am I imagining things?

Really, reeealllyyyy hope this scene stays 100% true.

Yeah I hope hagrid is in that scene and carries Harry. Also I think we do see narcissa next to Lucius.

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I think we got these before but I'm not sure. Just of Dan. And you can also see some of the undesirable no 1 poster

Was she?? I couldn't see her! Maybe I didn't look hard enough ... :hmm:

The actors in the background are really blurry to me so I can't make out who is who.

Can't see Hagrid at all and I'm sure he would stand out. But wasn't there meant to be a camp-fire as well? Or am I imagining things?

Really, reeealllyyyy hope this scene stays 100% true.

IN the book there is a fire but I don't think that's important

Narcissa was definitely there next to Lucius. I hope Hagrid is just out of the shot. In the book he was off to the side and harry didn't notice him until he yelled so I am hoping he is just out of the shot.

I am really looking forwArd to the reactions, it was such a powerful part in the book.

Narcissa was definitely there next to Lucius. I hope Hagrid is just out of the shot. In the book he was off to the side and harry didn't notice him until he yelled so I am hoping he is just out of the shot.

I am really looking forwArd to the reactions, it was such a powerful part in the book.

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There she is :P

IN the book there is a fire but I don't think that's important

In the book there is also a rather large snake floating nearby (that I don't see in any of these scenes), and I think that is much more important. :shrug:

In the book there is also a rather large snake floating nearby (that I don't see in any of these scenes), and I think that is much more important. :shrug:

True, we haven't seen the snake yet, but with the snake being in a big floating magical ball, I'm pretty sure that won't be added until post production. But that being said, why would they add that shot in the trailer if it wasn't even remotely finished? Hmm, perhaps I contradict myself :p

In the book there is also a rather large snake floating nearby (that I don't see in any of these scenes), and I think that is much more important. :shrug:

Yah I agree with you there. Where is nagini?
Unless they are gonna add her in later?

In the book there is a fire but I don't think that's important

Oh yes, I know it's not important but I just couldn't remember if there was one in the book or not!

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There she is :P

Hahaha thanks for that! Looks like she is blonde again instead of two-tone!

In the book there is also a rather large snake floating nearby (that I don't see in any of these scenes), and I think that is much more important. :shrug:

Oh yeah I almost forgot about that! They should definitely include that!

Yeah, Hagrid is probably out of these shots because the "Forest Again" scene was most likely heavily edited out of context in order to put in the most catching pieces...at least I hope it was edited out of context. :D

To go along with that I was just looking at IMDB's cast list for part 2, and Robbie Coltrane is listed..soooo...I don't really know how credible these lists are but wouldn't you think they would have him in the "Forest Again" scenes if they were gonna use him in the battle? (which I think is a certainty..but who knows really.) :)

Yeah, Hagrid is probably out of these shots because the "Forest Again" scene was most likely heavily edited out of context in order to put in the most catching pieces...at least I hope it was edited out of context. :D

To go along with that I was just looking at IMDB's cast list for part 2, and Robbie Coltrane is listed..soooo...I don't really know how credible these lists are but wouldn't you think they would have him in the "Forest Again" scenes if they were gonna use him in the battle? (which I think is a certainty..but who knows really.) :)

Yeah I saw that too, he is listed in both parts.

And you can also see some of the undesirable no 1 poster

Kind of off-topic, but I actually made one of these Undesirable No 1 Posters (there's 2 versions), it's screen accurate too, and Deathly Hallows isn't even out yet. Lol, if you want to see it you can look here:
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?p=5567267#post5567267

Regarding Hagrid in the Forest scene, i'm sure he's there, he's just out of shot, I absolutely love how people think we've seen practically ALL of the forest confrontation, it's VERY easy to tell that we're not getting anywhere NEAR the entire scene, as I highly doubt his whole confrontation will last 20 - 30 seconds.

This scene has to be in, Maggie Smith will be perfect and I will be opening my second box of tissues.

I do think there is a time cut there where Voldemort will speak and Harry will put his wand away. Bellatrix will probably speak as well.

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There she is :P

Oh great! I couldnt find the picture! And yeah shes full on blond it seems.
Hagrid was behind Voldy in the scene right? Atleast in the book. So maybe thats why we dont see him.

I do think there is a time cut there where Voldemort will speak and Harry will put his wand away. Bellatrix will probably speak as well.

Why would Bellatrix speak? She doesn't say anything in the book before the AK...does she?

And I agree, this confrontation will be longer :drool: I guess I'm just anxious to have confirmation that Hagrid is in those scenes. :)

I agree that the scene where Voldemort announces he killed Harry needs to stay close to the book.
I think Hagrid needs to be in those scenes. Voldemort saw Harry as something he wouldn't touch, only something he wanted to kill...so if Hagrid is not there, who would carry Harry? He wouldn't assign this to one of the DE's...and he certainly wouldn't touch Harry himself. I cannot imagine anyone else doing it where the spirit of the book would be in tact. I think like everyone else is saying, he is offscreen and we will see him in the film. They edited the piece in the trailer to give us some of the scene but I am confident there is more...that can't be all of it...
I find it hard to imagine Harry and Nagini jumping from one house to another but I am okay with the idea. I would rather it be that than making this child's room as Harry's...the only way I could imagine the room we have seen photos of as Harry's is if they are doing to darken it in post production. And even then, I think his room would be more destroyed than this. I imagined his room being completely destroyed by the curse. If the curse was bad enough to almost kill LV and do all that to Harry (the scar and what we learn in the end of DH), I thought it would be bad enough to destroy his room also.

For the Godric's Hollow scene, I think the perfect way to end it would to have the camera from afar so we could see Harry/Hermione hold each other and just walk out the gate as touching, somber music plays on. That would have been perfect but since we know Bathilda will be shown in the graveyard....

yea its small changes like bathilda in the graveyard that are inevitable. but i still think it will be a very powerful/emotional scene

i think we will, because they didn't decide to break up at the end of HBP, so i think they'll have their emotional kiss and Harry will tell Ginny that they need to end it while he searches for horcruxes.

End what? Harry didn't break up with Ginny at the end of the HBP film because they never actually got together. All we got for that was Ginny trying to kiss Harry and him rejecting her - and that odd part at the end with Hermione trying to tell Harry how he felt about Ginny. Not sure what that was supposed to be - it didn't make sense.

If they include anything for Harry and Ginny at the Burrow, they're going to have to approach it from an entirely different angle because Harry and Ginny did not get together yet in the films. The only thing I can think of at the moment is Harry admitting to Ginny that he does have feelings for her, but saying that they can't be together because of what he has to do - and even for that, they're going to have to do something to establish that Harry does have those feelings after the way he rejected her in HBP. If they do it right, that might work for Ginny giving him a goodbye kiss to show him that she'll wait for him.

I think this is right. The way the camera dips down and Harry jumps out of the way is the reason i thought Godric's hollow. That is how they have shown Nagini attack in the past in OotP. They could use some of the same motion with the camera in the attack at Gordic's hollow. It does seem a little weird that the hole is almost perfectly square.

I haven't gotten over the fact that they are using a different house this time around for the Potter's house. I liked the original one a lot better. It is possible that the houses are connected. I do think though if they are going to show some child's room that it would make sense for it to be Harry's room though and not some random room.

We will see.

I think the house they used for the first film was perfect - I can't imagine why they changed it. It doesn't make any sense. I agree that changing the location to a child's room would make more sense if it was Harry's room, but I can't get past how bright and cheery that room is. That just doesn't fit for me. The Potters house should be in shambles - dirty with very dim lighting - because of the explosion and sitting empty for all those years. I just can't figure out what they're trying to do there.

The only thing I can think of at the moment is that they wanted to hype up the action of Harry fighting the snake and had him fall through a wall into the neighbors house - or maybe the hole was caused by the blasting spell Hermione did that broke Harry's wand? I'm not sure. It's just not making sense right now.

True, we haven't seen the snake yet, but with the snake being in a big floating magical ball, I'm pretty sure that won't be added until post production. But that being said, why would they add that shot in the trailer if it wasn't even remotely finished? Hmm, perhaps I contradict myself :p

They've used unfinished footage in trailers before. OOTP had the unfinished footage of the twins fireworks showing all the Ministry decrees breaking and falling off the wall in one trailer - the finished film had the effects of the fireworks added.

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I think it's likely that they will add Nagini floating in her protective bubble to the finished film.

If they include anything for Harry and Ginny at the Burrow, they're going to have to approach it from an entirely different angle because Harry and Ginny did not get together yet in the films.

I disagree. I think there's plenty of screentime with Harry/Ginny in HBP. Even the most casual viewer would know they were supposed to be "together" in my opinion. They were never going to film the snogfest as it exists in the book, and I frankly think that's a good thing because this way it is more innocent and sweet quality. JMO

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I disagree. I think there's plenty of screentime with Harry/Ginny in HBP. Even the most casual viewer would know they were supposed to be "together" in my opinion. They were never going to film the snogfest as it exists in the book, and I frankly think that's a good thing because this way it is more innocent and sweet quality. JMO

My father - who has not read the books and only watched the films - came away from HBP with the impression that Harry did not like Ginny at all and was gay because he didn't respond when she kissed him. And my father is rather homophobic so I think that says a lot about how badly that was done in the film.

My husband decided Harry must be gay too because - in his words - no boy in their right mind would just stand there like a lump when a pretty girl he liked kissed him. And he knew that Harry and Ginny were supposed to date because he was there when I read HBP for the first time and squealed like a maniac over their kiss. He still makes fun of me about that. :lol: Even knowing what was supposed to happen, he didn't see it - he saw a boy rejecting this girl trying to kiss him. One good kiss scene - like the one Jo described in the book - is hardly a "snogfest". If Harry had at least responded to Ginny trying to kiss him, it might have come across differently. But standing there like a statue - all that shows is that he doesn't like her at all, IMO.

I can't see how anyone who had not read the books and knew how it was supposed to be would come away from the film and think Harry and Ginny were dating with the way Harry rejected Ginny when she tried to kiss him. I think they're going to have to find a way to fix that in DH because the mess they created by the end of the film is not consistent with what is supposed to happen at the beginning of DH. It won't make any sense for Ginny to try and kiss Harry again after he rejected her like that in the HBP film. They're going to have to come up with a way to establish that Harry does have feelings for Ginny to make that believable, IMO.

My father - who has not read the books and only watched the films - came away from HBP with the impression that Harry did not like Ginny at all and was gay because he didn't respond when she kissed him. And my father is rather homophobic so I think that says a lot about how badly that was done in the film.

My husband decided Harry must be gay too because - in his words - no boy in their right mind would just stand there like a lump when a pretty girl he liked kissed him. And he knew that Harry and Ginny were supposed to date because he was there when I read HBP for the first time and squealed like a maniac over their kiss. He still makes fun of me about that. :lol: Even knowing what was supposed to happen, he didn't see it - he saw a boy rejecting this girl trying to kiss him. One good kiss scene - like the one Jo described in the book - is hardly a "snogfest". If Harry had at least responded to Ginny trying to kiss him, it might have come across differently. But standing there like a statue - all that shows is that he doesn't like her at all, IMO.

I can't see how anyone who had not read the books and knew how it was supposed to be would come away from the film and think Harry and Ginny were dating with the way Harry rejected Ginny when she tried to kiss him. I think they're going to have to find a way to fix that in DH because the mess they created by the end of the film is not consistent with what is supposed to happen at the beginning of DH. It won't make any sense for Ginny to try and kiss Harry again after he rejected her like that in the HBP film. They're going to have to come up with a way to establish that Harry does have feelings for Ginny to make that believable, IMO.

Wow, really? I didn't get that impression at all, and I am gay. :lol: I thought that Harry was just nervous because his best friend's sister was making moves and he was unprepared. I don't see how it could be viewed as a rejection when they had a moment at the Burrow, both before school started and also at Christmas, to establish that they dig each other. The awkwardness between them established their attraction, for me.

For DH, I think they should just have Harry tell Ginny that they can't be together because he has a mission and its dangerous. It states for the record that they like each other and also why they can't be together.

Thanks for this perspective; I love a good discussion :)

My father - who has not read the books and only watched the films - came away from HBP with the impression that Harry did not like Ginny at all and was gay because he didn't respond when she kissed him. And my father is rather homophobic so I think that says a lot about how badly that was done in the film.

My husband decided Harry must be gay too because - in his words - no boy in their right mind would just stand there like a lump when a pretty girl he liked kissed him. And he knew that Harry and Ginny were supposed to date because he was there when I read HBP for the first time and squealed like a maniac over their kiss. He still makes fun of me about that. :lol: Even knowing what was supposed to happen, he didn't see it - he saw a boy rejecting this girl trying to kiss him. One good kiss scene - like the one Jo described in the book - is hardly a "snogfest". If Harry had at least responded to Ginny trying to kiss him, it might have come across differently. But standing there like a statue - all that shows is that he doesn't like her at all, IMO.

I can't see how anyone who had not read the books and knew how it was supposed to be would come away from the film and think Harry and Ginny were dating with the way Harry rejected Ginny when she tried to kiss him. I think they're going to have to find a way to fix that in DH because the mess they created by the end of the film is not consistent with what is supposed to happen at the beginning of DH. It won't make any sense for Ginny to try and kiss Harry again after he rejected her like that in the HBP film. They're going to have to come up with a way to establish that Harry does have feelings for Ginny to make that believable, IMO.

Well, the couple of people who hadn't read the books that I saw it didn't think that. They thought it was quite clear Harry and Ginny liked each other. What they were confused about, however, was if they were together or not. There was no exposition after the kiss, and that was the problem, IMO. Audiences were left hanging as to what was going on between the two.

I don't think we saw Harry rejecting her. Harry didn't break the kiss, push her away...etc. Granted, he didn't entirely kiss back (I agree that he should've), but to say that Harry rejected her is a bit of an exaggeration, IMHO.

I do agree that they need to work hard to steer Harry/Ginny in the right direction during DH. I think they'll keep in the birthday kiss and then have Harry tell her that they can't be together.

Wow, really? I didn't get that impression at all, and I am gay. :lol: I thought that Harry was just nervous because his best friend's sister was making moves and he was unprepared. I don't see how it could be viewed as a rejection when they had a moment at the Burrow, both before school started and also at Christmas, to establish that they dig each other. The awkwardness between them established their attraction, for me.

For DH, I think they should just have Harry tell Ginny that they can't be together because he has a mission and its dangerous. It states for the record that they like each other and also why they can't be together.

Thanks for this perspective; I love a good discussion :)

My dad and my husband decided that simply because he stood there like a lump and they couldn't imagine any guy not responding at all when a girl he liked tried to kiss him. And they aren't the only ones - I've had other people I know who haven't read the books come up and ask me about it because they know I have read the books. It came across to me that Harry was not interested in Ginny at all. It was the lack of response that made it seem like a rejection for all of us. He just stood there like a statue. He didn't even try to go after her or try to talk to her later. It was just bizarre.

The other scenes they came up with to try and show attraction between Harry and Ginny just did not work at all for me either. To be honest, I thought that whole thing was ridiculous. Tying his shoes? That's a motherly thing to do - not romantic at all. The whole tart scene was just weird and awkward. Dan looks really uncomfortable in those scenes - and not in a good way. It looks more like he would rather be anywhere else in the world. I just kept thinking of this cartoon my son likes where the kid is constantly yelling "I'm not your boyfriend!" every time the girl who likes him shows up.

I think they did establish that Ginny had feelings for Harry, but they did not establish that Harry had feelings for Ginny - particularly with that horrible kiss scene. Between the "Harry the womanizer" scenes they added with the waitress and him actually getting excited by the prospect of using his fame to get girls and his complete rejection of Ginny trying to kiss him and looking like he'd rather be anywhere else when she was around - they just made it look like Harry was not in the least bit interested in Ginny at all, IMO. Harry showed more interest in Romilda Vane in that horrid library scene than he did in Ginny in the entire film. And having Hermione try to tell Harry that he had feelings for Ginny in the end didn't change that for me.

i do hope they fix the mess they made of the Harry/Ginny Relastionship without sacrificing the more important plot points.

I definitely didnt get the impression that Harry was gay. I mean, that scene where he's saying things like "she's got nice skin", and the bit where he's looking at Ginny in the three broomsticks made it pretty clear to me that Harry had feelings for Ginny. Also Hermione saying "I've seen the way you look at her". I thought it was done fine.

I agree that the scene where Voldemort announces he killed Harry needs to stay close to the book.
I think Hagrid needs to be in those scenes. Voldemort saw Harry as something he wouldn't touch, only something he wanted to kill...so if Hagrid is not there, who would carry Harry? He wouldn't assign this to one of the DE's...and he certainly wouldn't touch Harry himself. I cannot imagine anyone else doing it where the spirit of the book would be in tact. I think like everyone else is saying, he is offscreen and we will see him in the film. They edited the piece in the trailer to give us some of the scene but I am confident there is more...that can't be all of it...

I agree that Hagrid has to be the one to carry Harry. Anyone else wouldn't work. They do look like they are mostly staying very true to the book, though, so hopefully. :)

I find it hard to imagine Harry and Nagini jumping from one house to another but I am okay with the idea. I would rather it be that than making this child's room as Harry's...the only way I could imagine the room we have seen photos of as Harry's is if they are doing to darken it in post production. And even then, I think his room would be more destroyed than this. I imagined his room being completely destroyed by the curse. If the curse was bad enough to almost kill LV and do all that to Harry (the scar and what we learn in the end of DH), I thought it would be bad enough to destroy his room also.

Maybe they've gone the opposite of the whole thing of keeping the house in it's destroyed state, and it's instead been restored to what it was like before Voldy came knocking? :) I wouldn't mind that, that could actually be rather nice.


As for how Harry/Ginny was handled in HBP, I personally loved it. IMO, it would stupid if Harry responded much when Ginny kissed him- Harry feels guilty because she's Ron's sister, remember? So I thought it fit. Harry was just afraid to show how much he likes Ginny because of Ron, hence all the awkward subtle scenes like the shoelace and the pies. :) I thought it was really sweet.

I hope though that the Harry/Ginny relationship changes a little for DH. No more awkward lighthearted scenes are needed, seen as Hermione told Harry that Ron was okay with it, so Harry has no reason to hide his feelings anymore.
Hopefully, we'll get the Birthday kiss (or maybe just a kiss during the wedding if they don't show Harry's birthday?) and Harry explaining that he has to go on a mission for Dumbledore, that he loves Ginny but can't let her get hurt. :)

I disagree. I think that it is clear that Harry had feelings for Ginny and Ginny had feelings for Harry. There are just too many Harry watching Ginny moments. Harry standing up when she entered the party. Also in general Hermione's reaction and comments about Harry liking Ginny meaning the scene on the stairs. He clearly stated that it was upsetting for him to see Dean with Ginny.

I think the strangest thing about the kiss is not that he didn't respond because he did he moved his mouth when she started kissing him, but that he didn't immediately open his eyes. I also agree that there should have been a scene after that where Harry was seen sitting with Ginny or at least something where they were together. I also agree that the scenes at the burrow, the pie scene and the shoe tying scene, were so awkward as to be completely unbearable.

I just can't agree that it isn't obvious that they liked each other. I do agree that it isn't obvious that they are together. I also agree that in general they didn't do that great of a job with the relationship because the kiss could have been better and some of the scenes were just too weird, but i still think the liking each other is established.

I agree that Hagrid has to be the one to carry Harry. Anyone else wouldn't work. They do look like they are mostly staying very true to the book, though, so hopefully. :)

I don't think this is necessary. I think they could easily have his body float back to the castle instead of have Harry be carried.

I don't think this is necessary. I think they could easily have his body float back to the castle instead of have Harry be carried.

They could do that, but IMO that would kind of take away from the emotion. I don't usually care if they change things from the books, but in this instance, I really would like it to be Hagrid bringing Harry back. Hagrid's been there from the start, carrying him to Privet Drive as a baby, so I think it's only fitting Hagrid is there at the end, carrying Harry as an adult. :)

There was something nice about Hagrid carrying Harry. I just don't think it is necessary and it might be awkward to actually see. I don't know. There just seems something less intense about that moment when Harry dies if Hagrid is in it. I don't really mind if they go either way on this one.

I do wonder if the black cloth that is covering Harry in the scene where Voldemort grabs his face has something to do with how he floats back to the castle.

I can't understand why anyone would seriously think the character of any boy as "gay" because they don't respond in full one make out mode to a girl during a stressful time. The idea that a man has to have a all out physical display of affection in order to prove their hetreosexuality and/ or their attraction to a girl is just... very limited, IMO. (and a bit disrespectful of men and gay people in general.) I would like to think that most audiences do not think this way and we don't really have to worry about this kind of perception. :)

Everyone I've spoken to about the movies who hasn't read the series got the idea that 1) Ginny was a pretty important character ( with her powerful spell cast in OOP's MOM scene) and 2) Ginny is attracted to Harry and he felt the same but was hesitant for obvious reasons. Those who didn't pick up on that will just have to wait and see. :)

I too, think it's quite clear that Harry and Ginny have strong feelings for each other. Regardless of whether one likes how the scenes turned out in the film or not, it is still clear that Harry/Ginny will be a relationship or that they want to be in a relationship. IMHO, they did not need to be dating. It's barely touched on in the book as it is. I think it's more powerful this way. There are many fantasy series that don't show the "couples" actually dating. I know it would have been nice for Harry to have a taste of a normal kind of life before DH, but I also like it this way. In DH he'd be remembering more meaningful moments because they hadn't a chance to be together yet. It's part of the "something worth living for" thing, I think.

I too, think it's quite clear that Harry and Ginny have strong feelings for each other. Regardless of whether one likes how the scenes turned out in the film or not, it is still clear that Harry/Ginny will be a relationship or that they want to be in a relationship. IMHO, they did not need to be dating. It's barely touched on in the book as it is. I think it's more powerful this way. There are many fantasy series that don't show the "couples" actually dating. I know it would have been nice for Harry to have a taste of a normal kind of life before DH, but I also like it this way. In DH he'd be remembering more meaningful moments because they hadn't a chance to be together yet. It's part of the "something worth living for" thing, I think.

I totally agree, especially with the "something worth living for." His relationship with Ginny is very important to him. They don't touch it much in the movies, but it is still there. I think that they did very well portraying the relationship in Half-Blood Prince. Ginny wasn't in Deathly Hallows very much, but I think they'll try to use Harry and Ginny's relationship enough, especially with Harry looking at the marauder's map.

Yes, some people will be disappointed with it. But I think it will be more evolved in Deathly Hallows.

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Just seen these.

Apparently these tracks were taken from a memo sent to Warner Bros.

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Its soooo beautiful. I love the direction this is going. The new theme is haunting, scary and beautiful all at the same time!

aghhhh i am so excited.

'The Graveyard' looks like it may be my favourite HP track ever!!

I totally agree, especially with the "something worth living for." His relationship with Ginny is very important to him. They don't touch it much in the movies, but it is still there. I think that they did very well portraying the relationship in Half-Blood Prince. Ginny wasn't in Deathly Hallows very much, but I think they'll try to use Harry and Ginny's relationship enough, especially with Harry looking at the marauder's map.

Yes, some people will be disappointed with it. But I think it will be more evolved in Deathly Hallows.

I agree pretty much. I think they are saving it in a way for the DH films and I think it might get a bit more fleshed out. I'm sure there will be interaction with them at the burrow, and we know now that there is a kiss at Hogwarts too. Put that together with the Marauder's Map, which we see him use in the previews... I think it can be assumed that they likely will include him watching her on the map at least once. I also wouldn't be surprised if she comes up in conversation between Harry and Hermione while Ron is away.

I wonder if they will use the marauder map as a transition scene from the trio to Ginny, Luna and Neville at Hogwarts.

I can't understand why anyone would seriously think the character of any boy as "gay" because they don't respond in full one make out mode to a girl during a stressful time. The idea that a man has to have a all out physical display of affection in order to prove their hetreosexuality and/ or their attraction to a girl is just... very limited, IMO. (and a bit disrespectful of men and gay people in general.) I would like to think that most audiences do not think this way and we don't really have to worry about this kind of perception. :)

Everyone I've spoken to about the movies who hasn't read the series got the idea that 1) Ginny was a pretty important character ( with her powerful spell cast in OOP's MOM scene) and 2) Ginny is attracted to Harry and he felt the same but was hesitant for obvious reasons. Those who didn't pick up on that will just have to wait and see. :)
And they set it up on GoF and OotP that Harry is awkward with girls, which isn't that rare in teenage hetero boys, and then they threw in the scene with Harry staring at and talking to the pretty waitress at the beginning of HBP. I liked the scene in the dorm room when Harry and Ron are talking about girls - I thought that was cute.

The problem is that the writers then tried to make shoe-tying a romantic gesture, when it really just makes Ginny look like a mother-substitute or Little Molly which is a bit icky. And they completely changed Ginny's reaction to the HBP book - in the book she stands up fiercely to Hermione and defends Harry, saying that Sectumsempra was "something good" with which to fight Draco. So she goes from being on Harry's side in the book, to being a Hermione-substitute in the movie, encouraging Harry to get rid of the book, leading up to the kiss in the Room of Requirement which also isn't in the book. That makes Harry seem a little passive, but certainly doesn't make him seem gay!

I wonder if they will use the marauder map as a transition scene from the trio to Ginny, Luna and Neville at Hogwarts.

Yup, I think it's very possible. I hope they do it this way. :)

Well, in a recent interview with Alexandre Desplat about his work on the project (I believe that it was originally conducted in French and had to be translated by a fansite for Harry Potter), he confirmed that the scoring process for Deathly Hallows Part I only started sometime this summer, possibly in mid-June since his comments indicated that it was still very much early days, and would continue until September. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the process itself, so I'm not sure if full samples would be ready so soon.

I was thinking of something...

Ever since OoTP came out and Lily wasn't seen in Snape's Worst memory, even though we know there was footage, I was wondering if they shot this scene during OoTP to use it for Deathly Hallows?

It would seem like a good idea so they didn't have to hire the actors again to shoot roughly the same scene for The Prince's Tale.

I was thinking of something...

Ever since OoTP came out and Lily wasn't seen in Snape's Worst memory, even though we know there was footage, I was wondering if they shot this scene during OoTP to use it for Deathly Hallows?

It would seem like a good idea so they didn't have to hire the actors again to shoot roughly the same scene for The Prince's Tale.

Yes, that's what I was hoping. :D There's a picture of Harry seeing a young Lily in Snape's memories on the internet, so they definitely shot an extended version of the scene and it would seem silly to shoot a scene which will need to be used again in Deathly Hallows and just dispose of it completely.

So, yes, I hope we see that scene. :)

Yes, that's what I was hoping. :D There's a picture of Harry seeing a young Lily in Snape's memories on the internet, so they definitely shot an extended version of the scene and it would seem silly to shoot a scene which will need to be used again in Deathly Hallows and just dispose of it completely.

So, yes, I hope we see that scene. :)

Especially when they hired the actress for Lily, and we never saw her in the film. That's just a little weird.

I was thinking of something...

Ever since OoTP came out and Lily wasn't seen in Snape's Worst memory, even though we know there was footage, I was wondering if they shot this scene during OoTP to use it for Deathly Hallows?

It would seem like a good idea so they didn't have to hire the actors again to shoot roughly the same scene for The Prince's Tale.

You know, that is actually quite a possibility, nice one! I hadn't thought of that. :hmm: That could explain why the extended scene never ended up on the deleted scenes- maybe Snape's Worst Memory will be in DH too, only extended? That would be awesome continuity. :tu:

I was thinking of something...

Ever since OoTP came out and Lily wasn't seen in Snape's Worst memory, even though we know there was footage, I was wondering if they shot this scene during OoTP to use it for Deathly Hallows?
It would seem like a good idea so they didn't have to hire the actors again to shoot roughly the same scene for The Prince's Tale.

I have wondered this ever since the release of OoTP. From film to film, Penseive memories have different treatments. In GoF- Harry appeared in the memory (like he does in the books.) In HBP he was not present and the audience viewed the scene on it's own.

In OoTP Harry appears in the memory because he's inside Snape's head. (Which is different than the book where Harry views the memories in the pensieve and appeared alongside the memories for that reason). So In OoTP- both in the film and the outtakes- we see Harry along side the memories of James and Lily in Snape's mind.

But... they can't use the exact same scene like this because what about what Harry is wearing? If they used the exact same scenes they would have to have DH Harry dressed them same as OoTP or it wouldn't make sense the Harry in DH dived into the pensieve wearing (for instance) a red jersey then appeared in Snape's Worst Memories from OoTP wearing a blue hoodie (or whatever). :lol: I would love to see Harry next to little boy Snape just because the visual is emotionally stunning IMO- to see Harry grown up next to a child version of Snape. So unless someone in the wardrobe dept was SPOT ON ( or in the know) I'm guessing they won't include Harry's appearance from the OoTP memories.

They could, however, cut out altogether Harry's appearance from OoTP, for the later version of the same memory. And/or they must have predicted / knew that those particular memories would be used later in the series and they would have shot a version of the scene without Harry's appearance in it all. Thus the style of pensieve memories in HBP wherein Harry did not see himself in the memory (like GOF).

The problem I see with using the OotP scene we know was shot based on Snape's worst memory, is that it does not make much sense as the only scene of Snape and Lily in school. We need to understand he loved her, to understand why this scene matters, and there is no reason to believe that in any version of the OotP screenplay, this was conveyed. The moviemakers thought that scene was all about James, I would say...or they would not have cut the scene in the first place.

I have wondered this ever since the release of OoTP. From film to film, Penseive memories have different treatments. In GoF- Harry appeared in the memory (like he does in the books.) In HBP he was not present and the audience viewed the scene on it's own.

In OoTP Harry appears in the memory because he's inside Snape's head. (Which is different than the book where Harry views the memories in the pensieve and appeared alongside the memories for that reason). So In OoTP- both in the film and the outtakes- we see Harry along side the memories of James and Lily in Snape's mind.

But... they can't use the exact same scene like this because what about what Harry is wearing? If they used the exact same scenes they would have to have DH Harry dressed them same as OoTP or it wouldn't make sense the Harry in DH dived into the pensieve wearing (for instance) a red jersey then appeared in Snape's Worst Memories from OoTP wearing a blue hoodie (or whatever). :lol: I would love to see Harry next to little boy Snape just because the visual is emotionally stunning IMO- to see Harry grown up next to a child version of Snape. So unless someone in the wardrobe dept was SPOT ON ( or in the know) I'm guessing they won't include Harry's appearance from the OoTP memories.

They could, however, cut out altogether Harry's appearance from OoTP, for the later version of the same memory. And/or they must have predicted / knew that those particular memories would be used later in the series and they would have shot a version of the scene without Harry's appearance in it all. Thus the style of pensieve memories in HBP wherein Harry did not see himself in the memory (like GOF).

Depending how they shot these scenes, they could easily take Harry out of them, and just use it to where he isn't in it. The Prince's Tale could be shot without Harry in it.

I know must people don't like those three tracks, but I dont think they suck. I think the problem is that they arent the style people are used to for these films. They remind me of some of the slower stuff in the Lord of the Rings. It will be nice to have a more mature score. I have liked the scores for these films, but I havent been crazy about them. Its like john williams: I love his work, and his theme for harry potter, but I feel his scores for the first three were exactly what they should have been. Scores for childrens movies. Doyle tried, but IMOdidnt really achieve a natural feeling score for the fourth film. Hooper figured out what he needed tested it in OOTP sand put it to use in HBP. However, having said this, while these scores were good scores in their own aspects I feel Deathly Hallows needs a different approach. Especially the first one. It needs to be more forboading but subtle and reinforce the idea that they are slowly but surely becoming more isolated and desperate. Personally I wish they had hired someone like Clint Mansell (the Fountain). I would love to have John Murphy (sunshine) for the second one. I could see him pulling some epic stuff out for the battle or emotional parts. When Kenada is killed trying to fix the shields the music is amazing. Actually that whole score is awesome. Really hits you.

The problem I see with using the OotP scene we know was shot based on Snape's worst memory, is that it does not make much sense as the only scene of Snape and Lily in school. We need to understand he loved her, to understand why this scene matters, and there is no reason to believe that in any version of the OotP screenplay, this was conveyed. The moviemakers thought that scene was all about James, I would say...or they would not have cut the scene in the first place.

Yes, I agree. I am supposing there was more footage shot and held back that did emphasize Lily. I'm just curious as to how they would have been able to shoot it in such a way that predicted the revelations from Deathly Hallows. If they're able to use that footage at all - then someone behind the scenes was in the know about what would be needed/emphasized for The Prince's Tale.

Unless JKR mentioned something to the film people I don't see how they could have known to shoot SWM and save portions of it for later. Maybe she did tell them stuff, I don't know, but I don't recall hearing anything like that. OotP was released days before DH so they'd have to have known for quite some time before that.

It's possible that they have footage that doesn't include Harry from what they already shot. So maybe there is something usable, or they'll re-do it or replace it with something similar. That's my guess.

I'm torn about whether or not I want Harry to be in the memories. On the one hand I love it for some of the reasons Bscorp stated, including wanting to see some of Harry's reactions and just to see him alongside the various versions of Snape. However, I also like the idea of having them as stand-alone dream-like sequences like the ones in HBP. So yeah... torn.

I agree that they might not have known the importance of the memory because all of the books were not yet written. That is probably the biggest problem with the films is that they couldn't know what to emphasize because the story hadn't been finished.

In Star Wars Episode 3 the scene at the end on Tatooine where Obi-wan gives the baby to his aunt and uncle was actually filmed during the filming of Episode 2 because the director already knew that he wanted that shot.

I am not sure if in the case of HP and the worst memory scene that they could have known the importance of the scene to be able to get the shot that they wanted because they didn't at the time know how the story would end.

Well, deathly hallows wasn't out when OotP was filming, so, unless JKR told them about Snapes Worst Memory, they weren't shooting the scene early to include in the DH movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_h_cNNst6Y&feature=related

Here it is. They were fake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_h_cNNst6Y&feature=related Here it is. They were fake.
Hu, imagine that. :rolleyes:

So...back to the actual movie.

The more I think about this.... For them to use the unseen footage of Lily from Snape's Worst Memory in OoTP it wouldn't take to much for this to happen:

1) They would have to have known the significance of the scene - being Lily. We know they shot some footage of Lily and James, so it is possible. They wouldn't have had to known what that newer context of that scene would be at the time of the shooting. JKR could have simply said something to Yates like, "you'll want to have this whole scene on film- and maybe a angles of it... that's all I'm saying." Afterall, JKR did suggest Kreacher and they created him and included him without knowing his full significance.

2) They would simply have to had shot the scene without Harry in it at all in order to weave the memories in with the rest of The Prince's Tale later on. Again JKR might have suggested they shoot it in a couple of ways with no other information to give away the future context. Totally doable.

After thinking about this for a bit. It makes more sense to me that they did shoot some footage to save back for later use- even if they didn't know at the time what that use would be. I mean they hired an actress to play Lily and even released some promo shots of her. They had to know it was for some purpose. They wouldn't have wasted their money on an actress for this part. I mean for pete's sake it's HARRY'S MOM! Surely it doesn't take to much foresight to see that her appearance might be important by the end of the series. In fact the fact that they went through the trouble of shooting her, then left her out of the film, tells me they did know it would be super important.

Two pages of discussion about "real" film music posted on YouTube before the movie actually was released? :huh:
Use your head, guys.

Besides, if such things actually are real and you link to them from CoS it will get you warned. So please keep this thread to the official information we actually have. Thanks!

i honestly dont think the filmmakers would film things 3 years in advance so i dont think we will see order of the phoenix memories with deathly hallows. that just would really suck

i honestly dont think the filmmakers would film things 3 years in advance so i dont think we will see order of the phoenix memories with deathly hallows. that just would really suck

Well, we know they didn't film it 3 years in advance, as the book wasn't out. We were just speculating that maybe they will use the entire footage for the Prince's Tale since it's an important part of it, and they've already filmed it. What would it suck? Just do a bit of editing, and it would look fine, IMO.

About the OotP SWM... it also depends on what they actually did to it... I mean if what they shot was altered or only included limited stuff then it might not be usable. If most of the Snape and Lily related stuff was not included anyway, then it wouldn't be usable.

If they did use this footage, I hope they just use the footage of young Snape and the Marauders that exists in the OOTP film. I didn't think the actress they got to play young Lily was right. She looked more like an average shy girl with pigtails. Lily was supposed to be this beautiful and popular young woman with dark red hair.

Also, you've raised good points about Harry being in the scene. He would have different clothes, different haircuts and looked years younger when he's not even supposed to be there. :lol:

I think it'd be nice for continuity's sake to make this scene resemble the OOTP clip enough but I'd prefer they just reshoot it.

i honestly dont think the filmmakers would film things 3 years in advance so i dont think we will see order of the phoenix memories with deathly hallows. that just would really suck

Plus, there are all-new actors, so it just wouldn't work :)

Plus, there are all-new actors, so it just wouldn't work :)

yes indeed!!! Besides why would anyone want to see reused material? that would just be Cheap and Tacky

yes indeed!!! Besides why would anyone want to see reused material? that would just be Cheap and Tacky

I don't think so. It would be great, because we would see it in a different context, and this time the audiences would know what was really happening... we read the same memory twice in the books, I don't know why we can't see it twice in the movies. As in the book, it would be used with a different perspective.

I don't think so. It would be great, because we would see it in a different context, and this time the audiences would know what was really happening... we read the same memory twice in the books, I don't know why we can't see it twice in the movies. As in the book, it would be used with a different perspective.

Actually, Harry doesn't watch the memory in DH. He turns away from it and waits for it to be over.

I agree with you though. I don't see why it would a problem to use footage from something that was shot earlier as long as there is enough to serve its purpose in DH. It is the same memory, so it actually would make the most sense for it to look as close to the same as possible. Maybe the lighting treatment could be different, but otherwise I think it should be pretty obvious that it is the same scene...

Unless they decide to create a different memory to serve the same purpose, of course. Not sure how I'd feel about that, but it's a possibility.

The more I think and reflect on it, the more I'm starting to think they might cut out the Snape/Lily angle entirely. Throughout the film series, they have always downplayed or cut out completely character motivations (esp. for the adult characters). We don't even have Harry's motivation for doing what he's doing (they cut out the "the difference between being dragged into an arena and walking in with your head held high" speech from HBP). Thinking about it, it would feel kinda strange at the very end to suddenly focus so much on Snape's life and motivation when the films never provided just as sufficient back-stories for the other characters. The fact that they split DH into two gives us hope that Dumbledore and Snape's back-stories will be retained (if not in full at least enough of them) but it does bother me a little that Harry Potter himself isn't given a real motivation in the films. He just shrugs off death after death and goes on with no real character development or motivation. This was something that made the HP books different from so many other fantasy stories. The characters had such depth and complexity and were so deep and had motivation for doing the things they did. The films have skimped on this so far.

Also, if they embellished too much on Snape/Lily, it might seem awkward and weird editing-wise. Snape dies and audiences cheer because they think he was a villain. Suddenly we dip into his past and see his love life? :lol: It might be jarring for people, esp. since Snape was never as prominent in the films. It might come across as kinda comical.... :shrug:

I'm still clinging to hope but I do see how the film would run a little smoother if we just see the Snape/Dumbledore memories (Snape being a spy and Dumbledore's death being arranged). We don't really need to know Snape's motivation (just that he is good), although it does play into the 'love is the ultimate power Voldemort does not know' theme so they might keep it for that. I hope they do, they just have to be very careful with it and do justice to it or it might come across as random and cheesy. It was done masterfully in the novel but the filmmakers aren't as great storytellers as Rowling IMO. I hope it's not all chopped up either....we'll have to see.

I feel like we would need to see his motivation, otherwise it makes no sense.

'hey snape come be on the good side now! for no reason!'
and then snape just saying 'yeah okay i guess so'

doesnt really fly well with me and I doubt it would with anyone else. I think they can easily at least leave in a small amount of the love stuff just so people know why snape joined the good side in the first place.

I think that they'll keep the snape lily story. Maybe not every memory but enough to let the audience know he did love her and that's his reason for protecting Harry.

I was wondering when we could expect interviews in magazines about the movie and possibly set reports?

Also, if they embellished too much on Snape/Lily, it might seem awkward and weird editing-wise. Snape dies and audiences cheer because they think he was a villain. Suddenly we dip into his past and see his love life? :lol: It might be jarring for people, esp. since Snape was never as prominent in the films. It might come across as kinda comical.... :shrug:

I'm really glad you brought this up. Even though I found the Prince's Tale to be extremely emotional and well written, I was always a little unsure of how it would play out on-screen in terms of film continuity and contextual sake. For those who do not yet know Snape's true allegiance, they are going to be walking into DH1 with heightened dislike for the villain, then having seen him as Hogwarts headmaster, the hatred will only increase for part II. I may be wrong, but I can't imagine that TPT won't confuse and humor quite a few of film-only audience members. That being said, I think DH is going to be more mindful of the readers and real fans, with both Heyman's and Yates' comments on the split. But I hope TPT doesn't come across as comical :sigh:

The more I think and reflect on it, the more I'm starting to think they might cut out the Snape/Lily angle entirely. Throughout the film series, they have always downplayed or cut out completely character motivations (esp. for the adult characters). We don't even have Harry's motivation for doing what he's doing (they cut out the "the difference between being dragged into an arena and walking in with your head held high" speech from HBP). Thinking about it, it would feel kinda strange at the very end to suddenly focus so much on Snape's life and motivation when the films never provided just as sufficient back-stories for the other characters. The fact that they split DH into two gives us hope that Dumbledore and Snape's back-stories will be retained (if not in full at least enough of them) but it does bother me a little that Harry Potter himself isn't given a real motivation in the films. He just shrugs off death after death and goes on with no real character development or motivation. This was something that made the HP books different from so many other fantasy stories. The characters had such depth and complexity and were so deep and had motivation for doing the things they did. The films have skimped on this so far.

Also, if they embellished too much on Snape/Lily, it might seem awkward and weird editing-wise. Snape dies and audiences cheer because they think he was a villain. Suddenly we dip into his past and see his love life? :lol: It might be jarring for people, esp. since Snape was never as prominent in the films. It might come across as kinda comical.... :shrug:

I'm still clinging to hope but I do see how the film would run a little smoother if we just see the Snape/Dumbledore memories (Snape being a spy and Dumbledore's death being arranged). We don't really need to know Snape's motivation (just that he is good), although it does play into the 'love is the ultimate power Voldemort does not know' theme so they might keep it for that. I hope they do, they just have to be very careful with it and do justice to it or it might come across as random and cheesy. It was done masterfully in the novel but the filmmakers aren't as great storytellers as Rowling IMO. I hope it's not all chopped up either....we'll have to see.

The analogy of being dragged into an arena or walking in with your head held high isn't so much a speech or overriding motivation as it is just a parallel drawn to reinforce (and reinforce the feeling in Harry) that Harry's not on this mission because he's been forced into this position, but because it's the right thing to make a stand against tyranny. The prophecy has really been deemphasized in the films, but I feel that point has remained. Of course, no character is as nuanced or well-defined in the film series as in the book series, but I still think Harry, Ron, Hermione, and many others are well rounded and motivated characters on film. (Not everyone, but many.) "The Prince's Tale" is an very delicate and difficult section, but to me, it's extremely important to keep the relationship of Snape and Lily, mainly, as you point out, to tie it to the overriding theme of the power of love (no Huey Lewis reference intended). And I think we will see it retained. I think the more audiences (audiences who haven't read the book) root against Snape the supposed villain, and the more random it seems that we're viewing these memories, the better it will work, the more you'll be pulling the rug out from under those audience members.

The analogy of being dragged into an arena or walking in with your head held high isn't so much a speech or overriding motivation as it is just a parallel drawn to reinforce (and reinforce the feeling in Harry) that Harry's not on this mission because he's been forced into this position, but because it's the right thing to make a stand against tyranny. The prophecy has really been deemphasized in the films, but I feel that point has remained. Of course, no character is as nuanced or well-defined in the film series as in the book series, but I still think Harry, Ron, Hermione, and many others are well rounded and motivated characters on film. "The Prince's Tale" is an very delicate and difficult section, but to me, it's extremely important to keep the relationship of Snape and Lily, mainly, as you point out, to tie it to the overriding theme of the power of love (no Huey Lewis reference intended). And I think we will see it retained. I think the more audiences (audiences who haven't read the book) root against Snape the supposed villain, and the more random it seems that we're viewing these memories, the better it will work, the more you'll be pulling the rug out from under those audience members.

I meant that whole segment of the book, where Dumbledore goes through everything Harry has been through (his parents being killed by Voldemort, watching Cedric murdered in cold blood, losing Sirius) and making him realize the prophecy doesn't matter, that Harry will want to be the one to see Voldemort finished even if there was no prophecy, even if it means his own death and that he won't be seduced by the dark arts or his connection to Voldemort because of his ability to love and resist Voldemort for taking away those people he loved so dearly giving him the strength, conviction and courage to stand up to this big, scary, evil tyrant. It was the defining character development for Harry Potter in the series, I think. It was when he finally officially took that step from being victim to being an active fighter in the war against Voldemort and not just because of circumstances but for his own choice. HBP as a whole was all about Harry finally making that critical step of growing up and becoming more active in the war but that passage cemented it into the narrative and that was probably the only thing I don't think the HBP film accomplished. They should have kept a condensed version of that whole conversation. Especially with the way it was edited in the film, it would have went directly from this conversation (which happens after they view the real Slughorn memory and find out about the horcruxes) to Harry and Dumbledore's journey to the cave.

Which goes into my point. HBP the film just focused on the logical plot mechanics (identify horcruxes and set up the journey) as did all the films before it and not on the character development aspect of it. Why should we assume they will keep Snape's motivation and not just simplify Snape's memories to it's bare bones plot requirements: Snape was good and was a spy and Dumbledore's death was arranged, Snape was working against Voldemort behind the scenes all along under Dumbledore's orders)?

The more I think and reflect on it, the more I'm starting to think they might cut out the Snape/Lily angle entirely. Throughout the film series, they have always downplayed or cut out completely character motivations (esp. for the adult characters).

An actor has been cast to play Sirius Black, who looks roughly 11 years old. I can't see any reason for this casting decision other than that they are showing Snape's childhood, and showing that means showing Lily too. :)

http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/show/3614

They could of course change their minds after shooting these scenes, but it seems they are at least planning to.

Also, the Silver Doe would be really random without some explanation. It is not an animal one would otherwise immediately assuciate with Sev. :lol:

An actor has been cast to play Sirius Black, who looks roughly 11 years old. I can't see any reason for this casting decision other than that they are showing Snape's childhood, and showing that means showing Lily too. :)

http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/show/3614

They could of course change their minds after shooting these scenes, but it seems they are at least planning to.

Also, the Silver Doe would be really random without some explanation. It is not an animal one would otherwise immediately assuciate with Sev. :lol:

Thank you! :D I totally forgot about Rohan Gotobed!!! Rohan has saved the day! :lol: :clap:

You also make a good point about the Silver Doe. It has been confirmed( I think?) to be in the film. Unless they just don't explain it which I wouldn't put past them. :shrug: I don't think so though, you've illuminated a good point. The Silver Doe argument you've proposed brings to light the fact that Dumbledore and Snape's stories are so intrinsically linked to the overall PLOT of the series. Rowling has said this herself. There is still doubt though in my mind. The prophecy was a pretty big part of the overall plot too and that was glossed over. :whistle: I don't know..I guess we should just brace ourselves for the worst, just in case.

Why should we assume they will keep Snape's motivation and not just simplify Snape's memories to it's bare bones plot requirements: Snape was good and was a spy and Dumbledore's death was arranged, Snape was working against Voldemort behind the scenes all along under Dumbledore's orders).

in re Snape's Worst Memory: We know they already filmed a young Lily in that scene. We haven't heard of any new casting (YET.) So until we hear something new - which is entirely possible- it may be the old footage if they show this scene at all.

In re Snape's memories: We know that Yates and Dan have both emphasized how important his aspect of the story is so I DO think they will give it some good time and there is no reason they can't cover the Lily angle in just as many scenes. The fact that Harry has his Mother's eyes has been mentioned in the movies, the fact that he has his mother's "good" side was brought up by Lupin in POA. The fact the Snape had an extreme problem with James Potter has been established. If I'm not mistaken, it has also been confirmed that they are filming the kids (Sirius Black) on the train so we know they're filming the younger Snape and Lily.

There are plenty of clues laid down so far for them to put the rest into place and they are going to show some of young Snape/Lily in the least. :)

ETA: Oh nevermind- (see above)

Im sure Rowling would seethe with anger if they cut out the whole Snape/Lily thing entirely and just give us the "he was really on the good side all a long." Most movie goers would ask "but WHY is Snape a good guy? If he was indeed Voldy's man before and then turned good, Why did he?" It would leave a lot of non readers rather confused and a bit angry at the fact theres such a huge plot hole. Im pretty sure they will touch on the Snape/Lily thing. They have to.

EDIT: I just remembered a scene in the PoA movie where Lupin tells Harry something about his mum that may tie into the Snape/Lily arc. He says something to the effect of: "Your mother was an extraordinary witch and an exceptionally kind person. She had the ability to see the beauty in people when they themselves could not see it." Perhaps this will foreshadow SNape/Lily.

If they didn't touch on the Snape/Lily relationship, "Look at me", one of the series' best lines, would make little to no sense at all.

They would just cut it out entirely I suppose. :( They have cut so many iconic lines from the films. The biggest being: "I am not worried Harry, I am with you".

Oh and Rowling never got angry before when something major was cut..

They would just cut it out entirely I suppose. :( They have cut so many iconic lines from the films. The biggest being: "I am not worried Harry, I am with you".

Oh and Rowling never got angry before when something major was cut..

The line in question was kept as a deleted scene. "Look at me" is way too great of a quote in my opinion to be cut like that.

The line in question was kept as a deleted scene. "Look at me" is way too great of a quote in my opinion to be cut like that.

Yeah, and I'm glad it was ultimately cut because the line-reading was awful. :lol: I'd rather not have it all than for it to be in the film and have no effect or impact.

I am getting super excited for the film. I've been watching films 1-6 non stop for the past month and i'm getting more and more pumped for Deathly Hallows. :)

I am getting super excited for the film. I've been watching films 1-6 non stop for the past month and i'm getting more and more pumped for Deathly Hallows. :)

Welcome back, lil_snuffles!! :wave: I haven't seen you around for a while! :)

Yeah, I think many HP fans all over the net are pumped to see the final films. It was cool to watch the films again over the weekend on ABC Family (even if I only watched bits and pieces now and then). It's hard to believe the end is near...but it is. Hopefully it goes out with a bang! :D

The line in question was kept as a deleted scene. "Look at me" is way too great of a quote in my opinion to be cut like that.
To me, the response Harry gives to Professor Slughorn "Sorry, sir, but he [Professor Snape] and I don't exactly see eye-to-eye" in the HBP is foreshadowing to when they will literally see eye-to-eye in Snape's death scene. "Look at me" will definitely be in the film.

Yeah, and I'm glad it was ultimately cut because the line-reading was awful. :lol: I'd rather not have it all than for it to be in the film and have no effect or impact.

Don't forget that Dan Radcliffe himself said on a video about the theme park that he was going to look into the Pensieve and have a scene about Snape that was "the key to the series." I wrote about it on my LJ back in June:

Dan Rad says View of Snape's Memories Key to Series (http://rattlesnakeroot.livejournal.com/133951.html)

The way I see it, they are going to show the parallel between Snape/Lily on the train with James/Sirius, and then the Epilogue scene with Harry's and Draco's kids getting on the train. And both of those scenes form a nice circle back to the Trio and Draco on the Hogwart's Express in Movie One.

Also, if they embellished too much on Snape/Lily, it might seem awkward and weird editing-wise. Snape dies and audiences cheer because they think he was a villain. Suddenly we dip into his past and see his love life? :lol: It might be jarring for people, esp. since Snape was never as prominent in the films. It might come across as kinda comical.... :shrug:

Maybe they're planning to show Snape's death after Harry and the audience find out the truth about him. Stuart Craig said Snape's death scene made him cry -- and that was just the rushes, which suggests to me it was the acting between Rickman and Radcliffe that carried the emotional oomph. And that in turn suggests to me that Harry already knows Snape's backstory while watching him die...otherwise, why would he, and thus the scene, be so emotional that it would move a crew member to tears?

This might also explain why Snape's death site has been changed. In the book, Snape was looking for Harry as soon as he learned he was back in the castle. Maybe in the film he finds him, "kidnaps" him to some remote part of Hogwarts, and somehow convinces him, or even forces him, to look at some of the memories. Then Voldemort interrupts, Harry hides, and Snape is murdered. As he dies, he gives Harry the rest of the memories, just as he did in the book, and Harry takes them to the Pensieve in Dumbledore's office...just as he did in the book. :shrug: Works for me.

(An alternative to this is Snape getting Harry alone and somehow convincing him that he is a good guy--e.g., saving him from an attack, helping him hide because Voldemort is coming, showing him a picture of him and Lily baking magical cookies at Spinner's End...it could be anything, really. :D

And somehow, the latter one just feels like something the films would do.)

^^ But how would it happen? It could show snape being bitten and then him giving Harry the memories but then harry would have to go all the way to the Pensieve to watch the memories first. And then it could cut to Snape actually dying but why would Harry go back down wherever Snape is? It would have to happen in Dumbledore's office to have it pan out this way.

Have we recieved Official Confirmation that the place of Snape,s Death has been Changed or is it just a Rumor?

Stuart Craig's comment was also about Rickman's acting so it could just be that performance and perhaps the dialogue whilst knowing the full story made the scene moving for him.

I doubt they are going to cut out the Snape and Lily thing. They may not keep all of the memories and they may alter stuff they do keep, but I doubt it would be cut out entirely. As someone else pointed out this story line is part of the power of love theme of the books. And yeah, some things will start not to make sense if it is cut out. The connections won't be there. IMHO, when one entered Lily into the equation everything about Snape sort of fell into place. Take her out and everything will be all disconnected.

Also, there have been indications that it's staying in as others have pointed out. Plus, there was that line in HBP that was cut out where Snape mentions Lily... so clearly it was on the minds of the film makers. There is a lot in HBP that looks like foreshadowing to me, such as the not seeing eye to eye comment and the moments where Harry and Snape are just staring at each other.

They also made sure that Lily was mentioned often in HBP. They could have left her out, instead one of the most emotional moments in the film is a story about Lily, and after that Harry mentions that she refused to step aside which was not mentioned in the films before this point. Voldemort gave her a chance to live and she didn't take it. That was her sacrifice. That is what is behind Harry's protection. It's all important, and it's part of Snape/Lily, IMHO.

And let us not forget that the one person besides JKR that knew about the whole Snape and Lily thing for years was Alan Rickman. So at this point, I don't think it's going to get completely cut out.

Have we recieved Official Confirmation that the place of Snape,s Death has been Changed or is it just a Rumor?

There's nothing official about that yet, that I can remember. So far it is just a rumor from another forum.

They also made sure that Lily was mentioned often in HBP. They could have left her out, instead one of the most emotional moments in the film is a story about Lily, and after that Harry mentions that she refused to step aside which was not mentioned in the films before this point. Voldemort gave her a chance to live and she didn't take it. That was her sacrifice. That is what is behind Harry's protection. It's all important, and it's part of Snape/Lily, IMHO.

That's a really good point. The whole Slughorn story which they embellished with the story of the little fish Lily gave him seems to be foreshadowing. And we know that when Kloves wrote the screenplay for PoA that he was wondering if Lupin loved Lily and let him say the line about her kindness on the bridge, so he has Lily's background in mind. He didn't write the screenplay for OotP or I think there would have been more about her besides SWM, which was filmed but cut from the movie (I know you already know that, but just for those who don't).

Plus there are the glowing remarks about Snape that David Heyman recently made (see my signature). They are not going to leave too much of his backstory out.

All of those things are leading somewhere - they can't just leave Lily out of it.

There's nothing official about that yet, that I can remember. So far it is just a rumor from another forum.


That's a really good point. The whole Slughorn story which they embellished with the story of the little fish Lily gave him seems to be foreshadowing. And we know that when Kloves wrote the screenplay for PoA that he was wondering if Lupin loved Lily and let him say the line about her kindness on the bridge, so he has Lily's background in mind. He didn't write the screenplay for OotP or I think there would have been more about her besides SWM, which was filmed but cut from the movie (I know you already know that, but just for those who don't).

Plus there are the glowing remarks about Snape that David Heyman recently made (see my signature). They are not going to leave too much of his backstory out.

All of those things are leading somewhere - they can't just leave Lily out of it.

Your absolutely right and the fact that a young Sirius was cast leads weight to the theroy that they will show lilly and snape at Hogwarts. Personally i want evrey single Memory in there to drive the point home that snape was Dumbledore,s man through and through

Also, there have been indications that it's staying in as others have pointed out. Plus, there was that line in HBP that was cut out where Snape mentions Lily... so clearly it was on the minds of the film makers. There is a lot in HBP that looks like foreshadowing to me, such as the not seeing eye to eye comment and the moments where Harry and Snape are just staring at each other.


And let us not forget that the one person besides JKR that knew about the whole Snape and Lily thing for years was Alan Rickman. So at this point, I don't think it's going to get completely cut out.

:agree: Well said. Wasn't Rickman's original line going to be something like: "You may have your mother's eyes but you possess the same wit as your father." Either way, I agree, there has been way too much foreshadowing about Snape/Lily for it to be left out. Lupin's comment in Prisoner of Azkaban, Snape shielding Harry from werewolf form Lupin, Harry and Snape's constant intense eye contact (as you said)...so yes, it's definitely going to be in the film, I think.

Alan Rickman would not be a happy man if it was. JK Rowling put the effort into revealing to him that he loved Harry's Mum, so it would give him a better idea on how to portray his character. He's never told anyone that secret for all these years and I don't think he'd allow that to happen to his character. And JK Rowling certainly wouldn't, of course. :D

The more I think about it, the more I like that the didn't show us Snape's full memory in Order of the Phoenix. In the film, Harry breaks into Snape's mind, he doesn't go into the Penseive, and Snape pushes him out right before we expect Lily to appear. Watch that scene and listen when Snape cries: "ENOUGH!" once Harry is out of his mind; doesn't he sound scared? In my opinion, he pushed Harry out before he got the chance to see Lily and that makes the moment more mysterious and tense.

Given the fact that the director didn't know that Snape loved Lily at this time this scene poses an advantage for him. He can expand on that memory if he wishes, instead of non-readers already knowing what Snape's full worst memory is.

I'm really looking forward for Rickman and Radcliffe to act together in Deathly Hallows. No doubt it'll be a mindblower of a scene; what else could make the director cry?! :clap: :D

Sorry to jump in but I as I'm re-reading DH I made some connections to the trailer. The scene where Harry is just lying there on the floor of the forest I believe is when they apparate from the Ministry try to go to Grimmauld Place and end up in the woods near where the Quidditch World Cup was held. The opening of the chapter states that Harry was lying on the ground seeing green shapes above him (or something like that).

The other thing I realized (and sorry if this has been posted a million times) is that they will be able to show Hogwarts by showing when Ginny, Neville, Luna try to steal Gryffindor's sword. I'm not sure how they're going to frame the 'back at the ranch' parts, but since we see the Death Eater stopping the Hogwarts Express I think it is safe to say that we'll see several parts of the movie that are not from Harry's perspective - which is quite different from the book where Harry hears what is going on but doesn't see it.

:)

The more I think about it, the more I like that the didn't show us Snape's full memory in Order of the Phoenix. In the film, Harry breaks into Snape's mind, he doesn't go into the Penseive, and Snape pushes him out right before we expect Lily to appear. Watch that scene and listen when Snape cries: "ENOUGH!" once Harry is out of his mind; doesn't he sound scared? In my opinion, he pushed Harry out before he got the chance to see Lily and that makes the moment more mysterious and tense.

Yup. I was thinking the same thing last night. It might end up seeming that way in the films, which actually might work really well.

Given the fact that the director didn't know that Snape loved Lily at this time this scene poses an advantage for him. He can expand on that memory if he wishes, instead of non-readers already knowing what Snape's full worst memory is.

That's a good point too. We'll see, I guess.

I'm really looking forward for Rickman and Radcliffe to act together in Deathly Hallows. No doubt it'll be a mindblower of a scene; what else could make the director cry?! :clap: :D

Yeah, I hope it makes me cry too. :)

im not sure how cutting between hogwarts and harry on the run would work and it would definitely create a pacing proplem with the movie. Matthew lewis and evanna Lynch have both said they only appear in one scene in part 1 and thats the hogwarts express scene.
i personally want them to stay closer to the book in this movie than previous ones. I still think they will hear about the sword being stolen by ginny and neville and it wont be a scene in the movie.

IMO, depending on how it is done, cutting to Hogwarts could actually help the pacing of the movie. Pacing is keeping it moving, and keeping the audience engaged. Cutting to Hogwarts to see what is going on there rather than being told about it would be more engaging, and keep the other characters on the minds of the viewers.

im not sure how cutting between hogwarts and harry on the run would work and it would definitely create a pacing proplem with the movie. Matthew lewis and evanna Lynch have both said they only appear in one scene in part 1 and thats the hogwarts express scene.
i personally want them to stay closer to the book in this movie than previous ones. I still think they will hear about the sword being stolen by ginny and neville and it wont be a scene in the movie.

I don't envision a problem with the occasional scene showing the context of events back at Hogwarts. There will be opportunities for segues back like the newspaper article announcing Snape as Headmaster (ex. zoom in on article photo then zoom out and we're at hogwarts ... just off the top of my head) or if they have the Trio listening to the radio and some mention of Hogwarts is made, then fade into a shot of the Other trio trying to steal the sword, etc.

We know that Alan Rickman shot a scene in front of the students so I think they will include at least a couple establishing shots showing Snape's reign as Headmaster and his interaction with the Other Trio with the Sword. Scenes like this is will be good because it will build up anticipation for when Harry DOES return and when he finally sees Ginny again. We've had plenty of movies in the series showing 3rd person moments outside of Harry's immediate perspective and I think they've all done quite well.

IMO, depending on how it is done, cutting to Hogwarts could actually help the pacing of the movie. Pacing is keeping it moving, and keeping the audience engaged. Cutting to Hogwarts to see what is going on there rather than being told about it would be more engaging, and keep the other characters on the minds of the viewers.

Tottally agree. I think it will help the movie move along. It will give the whole story and Harry's journey some larger context and perspective. i.e. "What he's fighting for." (Besides an hour and half of just the Trio1 camping and hiding from Death Eaters is a bit much.) :)

well as long as these addes scenes at hogwarts dont take away from more important things like the ministry infiltration xeno,s the silver doe ect ect.

People are used to seeing Hogwarts in the movies. It will be very strange for moviegoers who haven't read the books to see this movie and not see the trio go to Hogwarts in Part 1. Therefore, they do need to have a few shots at Hogwarts. Not too many, but enough.

Matthew lewis and evanna Lynch have both said they only appear in one scene in part 1 and thats the hogwarts express scene.Ah, that is a good point. But it might also mean that the Silver Doe and other things relating to the Sword are in part 2. :evil:
We know that Alan Rickman shot a scene in front of the students so I think they will include at least a couple establishing shots showing Snape's reign as Headmaster and his interaction with the Other Trio with the Sword. Scenes like this is will be good because it will build up anticipation for when Harry DOES return and when he finally sees Ginny again. We've had plenty of movies in the series showing 3rd person moments outside of Harry's immediate perspective and I think they've all done quite well.
I recall they did something sort of similar in OotP showing Umbridge's pic in the DP and then it turning into her at Hogwarts. (or something similar) That would be a good technique and tie the filming into the other movies.

Although I'm curious about the climax scenes, I must admit I'm looking just as much forward to see how they handle the character interaction in between. Will we see Hermione in full sceptical mode, exasperated that Xeno actually believes in the Deathly Hallows? How much will we see of her apprehension about Harry looking into Voldemort's mind? How are they going to distinguish the goblins in terms of how they act? How much will they show of wizard's distrust of goblins?

well as long as these addes scenes at hogwarts dont take away from more important things like the ministry infiltration xeno,s the silver doe ect ect.

It's my feeling that these films are going to be relatively trio heavy because that is the case with the book. I don't think breaking way from them at points is going to take away from them because they are likely to be in it a lot anyway.

I don't envision a problem with the occasional scene showing the context of events back at Hogwarts. There will be opportunities for segues back like the newspaper article announcing Snape as Headmaster (ex. zoom in on article photo then zoom out and we're at hogwarts ... just off the top of my head) or if they have the Trio listening to the radio and some mention of Hogwarts is made, then fade into a shot of the Other trio trying to steal the sword, etc.

We know that Alan Rickman shot a scene in front of the students so I think they will include at least a couple establishing shots showing Snape's reign as Headmaster and his interaction with the Other Trio with the Sword. Scenes like this is will be good because it will build up anticipation for when Harry DOES return and when he finally sees Ginny again. We've had plenty of movies in the series showing 3rd person moments outside of Harry's immediate perspective and I think they've all done quite well.

At first, I didn't really like this idea of showing the other ongoings at Hogwarts, but I think I 've changed my mind. More Alan Rickman?! :clap: and in part 1?! Who can protest that? :D I would LOVE to see a couple of shots of Snape as Headmaster. Plus having these kinds of scenes (hopefully) will give the audience information about where exactly Snape is and what he is doing....because if I were a non-reader, I would be wondering what the heck Snape would be doing after the end of HBP.

i guess im just a cannonist (wanting to see evreything exactly as it is in the books) oh well. im sure whatever they do it will be AWESOME!!!

At first, I didn't really like this idea of showing the other ongoings at Hogwarts, but I think I 've changed my mind. More Alan Rickman?! :clap: and in part 1?! Who can protest that? :D I would LOVE to see a couple of shots of Snape as Headmaster. Plus having these kinds of scenes (hopefully) will give the audience information about where exactly Snape is and what he is doing....because if I were a non-reader, I would be wondering what the heck Snape would be doing after the end of HBP.

:agree: Yes, we all want loads of Alan Rickman scenes! :lol:

Also, these brief returns to Hogwarts will show how the Dark Forces of Lord Voldemort have altered it so dramatically- I'm actually hoping for the Director to include a scene where Snape, unknowingly saves the new Trio (Neville, Luna, Ginny) from the Cruciatus Curse, which then leads to them only serving detention with Hagrid. I don't want them to make Snape's true intentions too obvious but some subtle things like this, I think, will make all the difference and give a little bit more depth to the new way of Hogwarts life.

:agree: Yes, we all want loads of Alan Rickman scenes! :lol:

Also, these brief returns to Hogwarts will show how the Dark Forces of Lord Voldemort have altered it so dramatically- I'm actually hoping for the Director to include a scene where Snape, unknowingly saves the new Trio (Neville, Luna, Ginny) from the Cruciatus Curse, which then leads to them only serving detention with Hagrid. I don't want them to make Snape's true intentions too obvious but some subtle things like this, I think, will make all the difference and give a little bit more depth to the new way of Hogwarts life.

Does anyone know if we're going to get to see the scene around the campfire with Dean and the goblins?

I heard Ted Tonks didn't get cast (maybe its a rumor, but since Harry and Hagrid are not apparently not crashing into the Tonk's land, I think we can confirm this).

If they don't show that goblin scene, they can just show us with actions at Hogwarts.

We do already know we'll see the snatchers grabbing Griphook... but I think its a scene to show us why Griphook is at malfoy manor.

i think 30 to 45 minutes at hogwarts should sufice then after that no more hogwarts till part 2

i think 30 to 45 minutes at hogwarts should sufice then after that no more hogwarts till part 2

I doubt we'll get that long. I think we'll probably get 10 to 15 minutes max, if that. There will probably be only a couple scenes at Hogwarts.

hey does anyone remember in deathly hallows when Voldermort announces Harry is dead and Neville Kills nagini weather that happened at night or during the day?

I doubt we'll get that long. I think we'll probably get 10 to 15 minutes max, if that. There will probably be only a couple scenes at Hogwarts.

I agree with this guess.

hey does anyone remember in deathly hallows when Voldermort announces Harry is dead and Neville Kills nagini weather that happened at night or during the day?

I think it's at night because if I remember right when Harry defeats Voldemort dawn is breaking.

hey does anyone remember in deathly hallows when Voldermort announces Harry is dead and Neville Kills nagini weather that happened at night or during the day?

It is definitely at night because Harry goes to the forest an hour after midnight I believe.

I doubt we'll get that long. I think we'll probably get 10 to 15 minutes max, if that. There will probably be only a couple scenes at Hogwarts.

Yeah, I think that it might be even shorter than that because they don't really need to show that much...probably just Snape and the Carrows (are they in?) and Neville, Ginny and Luna. But Matthew and Evanna only filmed one scene? hmmm. :hmm: Maybe that's just the train scene then and we won't get to see them at Hogwarts, at least in Part 1.

okey dokey that makes sense. does anyone think we will get another trailer before november or just the one we already have because it was a full length trailer?

:agree: Yes, we all want loads of Alan Rickman scenes! :lol:

LOL I agree. :drool: In any event just seeing him command the podium at Hogwarts will be soooooo awesome. I wonder if he will yell "SILENCE!" in his big booming voice like Dumbledore did in the first movie. Wouldn't that be something?

Also, these brief returns to Hogwarts will show how the Dark Forces of Lord Voldemort have altered it so dramatically- I'm actually hoping for the Director to include a scene where Snape, unknowingly saves the new Trio (Neville, Luna, Ginny) from the Cruciatus Curse, which then leads to them only serving detention with Hagrid. I don't want them to make Snape's true intentions too obvious but some subtle things like this, I think, will make all the difference and give a little bit more depth to the new way of Hogwarts life.

I don't think it would be obvious at all if Rickman does the whole scene with as much menace as he usually does. If Snape catches them with the sword, then plays it like he's got the most horrible punishment ever... "Send them to the half-oaf Giant .... let them roam the forbidden forest... " etc. It will sound like he thinks it's something horrible- that's all he needs to do.

Snape is a good actor and so is Alan Rickman. They way Rickman intones his lines, with his low menacing growl...Snape could say anything like "Send them to the kitchen and feed them .... chocolate...pie...." and it would sound like the scariest thing ever. :lol:

LOL I agree. :drool: In any event just seeing him command the podium at Hogwarts will be soooooo awesome. I wonder if he will yell "SILENCE!" in his big booming voice like Dumbledore did in the first movie. Wouldn't that be something?



I don't think it would be obvious at all if Rickman does the whole scene with as much menace as he usually does. If Snape catches them with the sword, then plays it like he's got the most horrible punishment ever... "Send them to the half-oaf Giant .... let them roam the forbidden forest... " etc. It will sound like he thinks it's something horrible- that's all he needs to do.

Snape is a good actor and so is Alan Rickman. They way Rickman intones his lines, with his low menacing growl...Snape could say anything like "Send them to the kitchen and feed them .... chocolate...pie...." and it would sound like the scariest thing ever. :lol:

:lol: Even just him glaring at everyone when they are talking then just hissing menacingly: "Shut...up.", would be enough for me.

:agree: Well said and good points- yes he does make everything sound scary! Remember "Turn to page 394?" :rotfl:

LOL I agree. :drool: In any event just seeing him command the podium at Hogwarts will be soooooo awesome. I wonder if he will yell "SILENCE!" in his big booming voice like Dumbledore did in the first movie. Wouldn't that be something?

Yes! That would be awesome! :agree: But I sorta doubt that they would do that because in the movies Snape isn't really loud...he just almost whispers everything and it sounds brilliant.


Snape is a good actor and so is Alan Rickman. They way Rickman intones his lines, with his low menacing growl...Snape could say anything like "Send them to the kitchen and feed them .... chocolate...pie...." and it would sound like the scariest thing ever. :lol:

:lol: haha! That would be funny....and yeah Alan is such a great actor. I can't wait! Do you think they are gonna include the duel between Snape and McGonagall?

Snape is a good actor and so is Alan Rickman. They way Rickman intones his lines, with his low menacing growl...Snape could say anything like "Send them to the kitchen and feed them .... chocolate...pie...." and it would sound like the scariest thing ever. :lol:

That just made my day. :lol:

Yes! That would be awesome! :agree: But I sorta doubt that they would do that because in the movies Snape isn't really loud...he just almost whispers everything and it sounds brilliant.




:lol: haha! That would be funny....and yeah Alan is such a great actor. I can't wait! Do you think they are gonna include the duel between Snape and McGonagall?

that would be awesome!!! and yes i think they will include the duel between snape and mcgonogall

I really, really hope we see some Hogwarts stuff with the other trio (Neville, Luna, Ginny). :) That was something I found really interesting in the book that I wish we were shown more of.

We know Alan Rickman filmed a scene in front of hundreds of kids, so I'm imagining a very creepy Snape speech. "Due to the...truely... tragic passing of Albus Dumbledore, I shall be your headmaster this year...*glowers around*.......any questions?!" *kids looking absolutely terrified* Lol :lol:

I can see the newspaper transition from OotP being used. If not, I would really like a montage during Potterwatch (I know it's unlikely Potterwatch will be kept in, but I think it could work really well in the backround, especially after that radio weather broadcast at the start of OotP) or a transition with the Marauders Map. :) I agree the non-readers need to see a bit of Hogwarts somehow, and I'm not complaining. :lol: The more DA action, the better.

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We know Alan Rickman filmed a scene in front of hundreds of kids, so I'm imagining a very creepy Snape speech. "Due to the...truely... tragic passing of Albus Dumbledore, I shall be your headmaster this year...*glowers around*.......any questions?!" *kids looking absolutely terrified* Lol :lol:
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:rotfl: Oh, that would be quite literally magic!

Sudden thought: Just after Snape announces his new title as Headmaster, with the line you created, Fred and George either chuch something at him or say a typical brilliantly funny comment that lifts the mood of the moment. :D Like they did with Umbridge when she says, "I'm sure we'll become the best of friends," and they reply: "Not likely." :D

Sudden thought: Just after Snape announces his new title as Headmaster, with the line you created, Fred and George either chuch something at him or say a typical brilliantly funny comment that lifts the mood of the moment. :D Like they did with Umbridge when she says, "I'm sure we'll become the best of friends," and they reply: "Not likely." :D

??? Fred and George aren't there. :yuhup:

:rotfl: Oh, that would be quite literally magic!

Sudden thought: Just after Snape announces his new title as Headmaster, with the line you created, Fred and George either chuch something at him or say a typical brilliantly funny comment that lifts the mood of the moment. :D Like they did with Umbridge when she says, "I'm sure we'll become the best of friends," and they reply: "Not likely." :D

Haha they couldn't, Fred and George don't go to Hogwarts anymore, remember? Though it would be awesome if someone gave a Snape a little funny comment like that. :lol: *Snape glowers at the cheeky student* "You will kindly escort yourself to your detention at the the dungeons....Mr Filch, if you will" *Filch smiles delightedly, holding a whip* :scared: :eeep:

Correctly or not, I assumed that more mentions of Lily were included in the film adaptation of Half-Blood Prince expressly for the purpose of leading more smoothly, if still a little roughly, into The Prince's Tale for Deathly Hallows. With the recent casting of Young Sirius and Dan's comments (also recent) about filming a "key moment" by the Pensieve for DH, it's becoming more of a reality that we will see a version of Snape's backstory and that the backstory will not fail to acknowledge his love.

We have enough in the movies to look back on: after Lupin established Lily's Dumbledore-esque ability to "see the beauty in others even, and perhaps most especially, when that person couldn't see it in themselves" in Prisoner of Azkaban, that was not only a foreshadowing of his story in retrospect. Steve Klove's movie-exclusive recounting of Lily's gift for Professor Slughorn felt like an extension of that moment, as well. I don't think that making the ultimate revelation believeable will be too difficult to manage in two parts if they continue with these moments, considering the nuances that Alan Rickman manages to bring to his performance in spite of each script, especially in PoA. Now all they need is to bring Lily into the picture more.

Snape is a good actor and so is Alan Rickman. They way Rickman intones his lines, with his low menacing growl...Snape could say anything like "Send them to the kitchen and feed them .... chocolate...pie...." and it would sound like the scariest thing ever. :lol:


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Best quote ever!

Haha they couldn't, Fred and George don't go to Hogwarts anymore, remember? Though it would be awesome if someone gave a Snape a little funny comment like that. :lol: *Snape glowers at the cheeky student* "You will kindly escort yourself to your detention at the the dungeons....Mr Filch, if you will" *Filch smiles delightedly, holding a whip* :scared: :eeep:

:blush: Oh, yeah...maybe they could gatecrash; that would be even funnier! :D

Or Ginny could say the comment to keep up the Weasley brothers' reputations at Hogwarts... :lol:

:blush: Oh, yeah...maybe they could gatecrash; that would be even funnier! :D

Or Ginny could say the comment to keep up the Weasley brothers' reputations at Hogwarts... :lol:

Lol, I don't think so, but that would be awesome. :lol: "Oh, hello, just dropping in-" "Thought we'd better say our congrats to the headmaster, right Fred?" "Right George" They fire some crazy projectile like a boxing glove at Snape and leave* :lol: Lol.

Yeah, I'd love if we saw Ginny's rebel side. :) We've seen too much of her nervous side in CoS and HBP, it's about time the awesome Ginny from GOF and OotP stepped back in. :lol: How about she fires reducto at Snape during his speech?

i think we will see hogwarts just the once with snape giving a sppech. as its already been confirmed that matthew lewis and evanna lynch only filmed the hogwarts express scene for part 1.

Lol, I don't think so, but that would be awesome. :lol: "Oh, hello, just dropping in-" "Thought we'd better say our congrats to the headmaster, right Fred?" "Right George" They fire some crazy projectile like a boxing glove at Snape and leave* :lol: Lol.

Yeah, I'd love if we saw Ginny's rebel side. :) We've seen too much of her nervous side in CoS and HBP, it's about time the awesome Ginny from GOF and OotP stepped back in. :lol: How about she fires reducto at Snape during his speech?

:lol: What you though of for Fred and George sounds brilliant...in fact, get on the phone to Warner Brothers and tell them to include a feature in the Deathly Hallows DVD in which many dramatic scenes are ruined by Fred and George! :D

And I agree, we need to see more of the fiery spirit in Ginny. Perhaps Snape makes some sarcastic comment to Neville in one of the scenes and Ginny sticks up for him defiantly, maybe even throwing back an even more sarcastic, witty comment at Snape. Snape pauses and stares at her- unknown to the Trio is reminded of Lily due to Ginny's nature...This could work when he catches them stealing the sword of Gryffindor, then lessens their punishment, I think.

all very good thoughts but unfortunately not gonna happen......i want to know where will snape die!!!

i think we will see hogwarts just the once with snape giving a sppech. as its already been confirmed that matthew lewis and evanna lynch only filmed the hogwarts express scene for part 1.

I think you might be right, but I really hope not. These scenes with the DA rebeling against the Death Eaters running the school was one of the few areas in the book that I wasn't 100% happy with, that I wanted expanded or worked on a bit more (the others being the Harry/Voldy faceoff and the epilogue). Therefore I really hope it's shown more in the film, though it's more likely these things away from the trio would be only 5 minutes long. :sad:

:lol: What you though of for Fred and George sounds brilliant...in fact, get on the phone to Warner Brothers and tell them to include a feature in the Deathly Hallows DVD in which many dramatic scenes are ruined by Fred and George! :D

And I agree, we need to see more of the fiery spirit in Ginny. Perhaps Snape makes some sarcastic comment to Neville in one of the scenes and Ginny sticks up for him defiantly, maybe even throwing back an even more sarcastic, witty comment at Snape. Snape pauses and stares at her- unknown to the Trio is reminded of Lily due to Ginny's nature...This could work when he catches them stealing the sword of Gryffindor, then lessens their punishment, I think.

LOL, file that one under Best DVD Extra EVER. :lol: Can you imagine Fred and George crashing in during Snape's death scene? LOL. Brilliant! :lol:

That would really, really work. :agree: It fits really well. You could have Snape blame everything on Neville and start going on about how worthless and lazy he thinks he is, then Ginny snaps back at him (brave girl...:lol:) and when she turns her back on him to leave to whatever nasty punishment awaits them, the camera subtlely focusses on her hair and Snape staring, then Snape stops them and lets them off. :tu:

LOL, file that one under Best DVD Extra EVER. :lol: Can you imagine Fred and George crashing in during Snape's death scene? LOL. Brilliant! :lol:

That would really, really work. :agree: It fits really well. You could have Snape blame everything on Neville and start going on about how worthless and lazy he thinks he is, then Ginny snaps back at him (brave girl...:lol:) and when she turns her back on him to leave to whatever nasty punishment awaits them, the camera subtlely focusses on her hair and Snape staring, then Snape stops them and lets them off. :tu:

Oh, I so could. "Well, Fred, I think our Headmaster is in a rather comprimising situation." "Indeed George."

*Snape sits up* "Look, this is the line I have been waiting for my entire life and- hey, you! There's only meant to be one of you because you're dead!"

*Fred and George grin knowingly at each other, wink at Snape, then exit with more fireworks on their broomsticks*

:lol: On a more serious note, that's a lovely image regarding Snape and Ginny, there. I really think that could be successfully portrayed.

Another thought: I would love for Luna to be the one that knows Snape's trying to protect them. For example, Ginny and Neville leave to serve their detention, Luna stays behind and says some reassurring line that lets Snape know that she knows he is being a good Headmaster (sort of :lol:). Snape's eyes widen (how could she figure him out like that?!), Luna smiles and says: "Oh, well... watch out for the nargles.." then skips away, leaving a bewildered Snape behind. :D

Oh, I so could. "Well, Fred, I think our Headmaster is in a rather comprimising situation." "Indeed George."

:lol: LOL that made my day.

:lol: On a more serious note, that's a lovely image regarding Snape and Ginny, there. I really think that could be successfully portrayed.

Another thought: I would love for Luna to be the one that knows Snape's trying to protect them. For example, Ginny and Neville leave to serve their detention, Luna stays behind and says some reassurring line that lets Snape know that she knows he is being a good Headmaster (sort of :lol:). Snape's eyes widen (how could she figure him out like that?!), Luna smiles and says: "Oh, well... watch out for the nargles.." then skips away, leaving a bewildered Snape behind. :D

:agree: Yeah, definately.

I think that idea with Luna would be nice too. Luna does seem to figure out everyone she meets. :) "Professor, I think you are doing a really lovely job" *Snape thinks she's being sarcastic* "And what is that supposed to mean, Ms Lovegood?!" "Oh, I just think you're doing a really wonderful job, protecting us and all, do keep it up" *awkward pause* "I think I'll have some pudding. Oh, by the way, I'd be careful if I were you, there's a nargle under your desk" *skips away*

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:lol: On a more serious note, that's a lovely image regarding Snape and Ginny, there. I really think that could be successfully portrayed.

Another thought: I would love for Luna to be the one that knows Snape's trying to protect them. For example, Ginny and Neville leave to serve their detention, Luna stays behind and says some reassurring line that lets Snape know that she knows he is being a good Headmaster (sort of :lol:). Snape's eyes widen (how could she figure him out like that?!), Luna smiles and says: "Oh, well... watch out for the nargles.." then skips away, leaving a bewildered Snape behind. :D

That made my day. And she WOULD be the one to figure it out...:lol:

:lol: LOL that made my day.



:agree: Yeah, definately.

I think that idea with Luna would be nice too. Luna does seem to figure out everyone she meets. :) "Professor, I think you are doing a really lovely job" *Snape thinks she's being sarcastic* "And what is that supposed to mean, Ms Lovegood?!" "Oh, I just think you're doing a really wonderful job, protecting us and all, do keep it up" *awkward pause* "I think I'll have some pudding. Oh, by the way, I'd be careful if I were you, there's a nargle under your desk" *skips away*

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:lol: Wow, you've got a knack for making up dialogue that is completely in character! :tu:

I hope they keep in that line that McGonnagal says about Snape: "He has, to use the common term, done a bunk,", everyone apart from Luna cheers. :D

Also, when Snape jumps out the window and flies away, Luna waves "bye!" at him, earning her a glare/stare from Harry. :D

I also hope the foreshadow the doe patronus in some areas too, so it doesn't come completely out of the blue. For example, Snape could be storming through the many corridors of Hogwarts, then stops at the sight of a portrait: a young, red haired woman laughing and stroking an elegant doe. Snape stares at it mysteriously, and we then fade into "The Silver Doe" scene.

I don't think we have any proof that the romance between Snape and Lilly is in for certain. I think that it will be in in some form, but i don't think the casting of young Sirius and Daniel's comments about the pensieve really prove that the romance is in. Like i said i do think it will be.

Does anyone know if we're going to get to see the scene around the campfire with Dean and the goblins?

If they don't show that goblin scene, they can just show us with actions at Hogwarts.

We do already know we'll see the snatchers grabbing Griphook... but I think its a scene to show us why Griphook is at malfoy manor.

We don't know for certain. I think it is certain that Dean is not at Shell Cottage and that makes me think he is not with Griphook when he is captured. I don't think there will be a scene with Griphook and Dean at a campfire. I do think that scene where the snatchers are walking close to Hermione that it does look like the snatcher on the right is carrying something and that makes me think we could see Griphook get captured. I think that is a good way to reintroduce the character and to show him get captured in preparation for the Malfoy Manor scene.

Also i don't think they are going to be camping for an hour and a half. I think it is only one chapter of camping maybe two out of thirty-six. If the split is around shell cottage then that is two out of twenty-three. There is going to be plenty of action throughout Part 1. It also looks like they have added action to the camping. The scene where they seem to be looking for food and the dog comes at them, a possible dementor attack, the possible attack on the trailers, also the possibility of seeing Griphook captured. I don't think we need to worry about boring camping scenes. They might end up being the best scenes in the entire film.

:lol: Wow, you've got a knack for making up dialogue that is completely in character! :tu:

I hope they keep in that line that McGonnagal says about Snape: "He has, to use the common term, done a bunk,", everyone apart from Luna cheers. :D

Also, when Snape jumps out the window and flies away, Luna waves "bye!" at him, earning her a glare/stare from Harry. :D

I also hope the foreshadow the doe patronus in some areas too, so it doesn't come completely out of the blue. For example, Snape could be storming through the many corridors of Hogwarts, then stops at the sight of a portrait: a young, red haired woman laughing and stroking an elegant doe. Snape stares at it mysteriously, and we then fade into "The Silver Doe" scene.

Haha thanks. :lol: I roleplay a lot, it's fun.

Yeah , lol that would be great. I can see Luna waving goodbye to him definately, and then some line like "I do hope he didn't hurt himself, it's a long way down, you know?" And then everyone gives Luna funny looks. :lol:

No, I think that would make it too obvious, though I do think Lily's patronus should be emphasized, but not until maybe Part 2, so the audience can work it out. :)

Haha thanks. :lol: I roleplay a lot, it's fun.

Yeah , lol that would be great. I can see Luna waving goodbye to him definately, and then some line like "I do hope he didn't hurt himself, it's a long way down, you know?" And then everyone gives Luna funny looks. :lol:

No, I think that would make it too obvious, though I do think Lily's patronus should be emphasized, but not until maybe Part 2, so the audience can work it out. :)

You're welcome. :) Haha, that cracked me up, I love Luna and Evanna Lynch's accent is perfect for her, so quirky and dreamy, in a sense.

:agree: Good point. I'm thinking in Part 1, we'll only get perhaps one scene of Snape when he's talking to all the students at the start of the year as Headmaster, then any other scenes at Hogwarts will be focusing on the deterioration of the school itself and the new Trio. Then the 2nd part could have loads of fleeting, tense moments of Snape as he realises how dangerous a situation his students and himself are in.

I wonder before the duel with McGonnagal, the director will treat us with a short scene of Snape running through the Battlefield, growing increasingly more desperate as it appears he is looking for something; or someone. Of course, us clever readers will know exactly who he's looking for but it would be an nice subtle mystery for the non-readers to work out after Prince's Tale, I think.

I wonder before the duel with McGonnagal, the director will treat us with a short scene of Snape running through the Battlefield, growing increasingly more desperate as it appears he is looking for something; or someone. Of course, us clever readers will know exactly who he's looking for but it would be an nice subtle mystery for the non-readers to work out after Prince's Tale, I think.

The battle hadn't started yet, I thought? But good idea, still...

The battle hadn't started yet, I thought? But good idea, still...

Gah, I need to re read Deathly Hallows. :lol: Okay, he could be running through all the little places he knows Harry tries to hide or where he has hidden in previous books, for example, behind the one eyed witch's hump.

I wonder if they'll show Snape during the Battle of Hogwarts.
I don't want to see just his duel with McGonagall and his death scene before all the Pensieve stuff. I want to see him 'searching' for someone (Harry) as someone mentioned. And I want to see him battling people on his way out to the Grounds. I don't know. They've got to show as much as possible concerning Snape.