OWL results & classes everyone will take

What subjects will Harry take in the sixth year? Predict it. Assuming that Harry would have to take 5 subjects because to be an Auror, you need to have at least 5 NEWTS.

1) DADA - Defintely a subject Harry will take.

2) Divination - Harry hates the subject but at the end of book 5, it is mentioned that Frienze and Trelawney will be teaching the subject together so Harry got to take it.

3) Potions - No one can miss Snape's lessons

4) Transfiguration - Seems pretty important.

5) Charms - Very useful subject. And a must for Auror.


Ron's subjects

1) DADA
2) Charms
3) Transfiguration
4) Care of Magical Creatures, I seriously doubt Ron will be doing Divination.
5) Potions?

Hermione's subjects

EVERYTHING except Divination.

Neville's subjects.

Herbology defintely included.

I don't think Harry would give up Care of Magical Creatures. Hagrid would be very sad if he did.

I like your list, dantares.

DADA (duh)
Transfiguration (^same)
Charms (yeah)
Potions (has to)
Divination (although it seems kind of unnecessary, remember what Hermione said; now that we know prophecies can be real it would be pretty useful to Harry if he studied the art of divination a little more)

Also, that's true, Vyolet, but I think Hagrid will understand if Harry tells him he has to focus on more important things for his N.E.W.T.s. Care of Magical Creatures isn't all that necessary for the Auror career path Harry wants to follow. Even Moody didn't like animals too much, IIRC (maybe I was just dreaming again or something). :D

I think Harry would drop divination before anything else. I don't see him continuing in this field (at least not voluntarily!)

-Strobe *

I could actually see Harry taking everything that he's taking now. If he's serious about becoming an Auror then he'll have to take most of these classes anyways. The only one that he could really drop that wouldn't matter would be Divination. But he could end up still taking it. Maybe it won't be so bad in his sixth year. He's not going to drop Care of Magical Creatures because I think Hagrid would be sad if he did. And we wouldn't see Hagrid all that much if he did.

If he wished to continue on his path to become an auror, he would need at least 5 NEWTs, so I'd expect him to drop Divination instead of Care of Magical Creatures since he obviously does better in CoMC than Divination. :D

i think everything the thread starter said apart from switching Divination for Care Of Magical Creatures because if he becomes an Auror they dont always face off against wizards and he would need to know what type of creature he'd be facing!

Given the fact that Lord Thingy tends to draw all sorts of Dark Creatures to his side, I think it would be incredibly risky for anyone wanting to be an Auror to drop CoMC at this stage of the game.

But it was mentioned that the centuar and Trelawney will be teaching Divination together. It will bound to be hilarious with Trelawney predicting a death every few lessons and the centuar talking in circles about Mars and Moons. And everything is in Harry's POV, so I think somehow Harry will take Divination.

Originally posted by OreoCookie05 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=417174#post417174))
The only one that he could really drop that wouldn't matter would be Divination.

Don't forget History of Magic, Harry could drop that, and I don't think he even got half way through his exam, so I doubt he'd take it. But I think he'll be taking:

1. Potions
2. Herbology
3. Care of Magical Creatures
4. Transfiguration
5. Charms
6. Defense Against the Dar Arts

Sure it'd be fun to watch Trelawney and Firenze clash, I just don't think it likely that Harry will take the class (unless Dumbledore insists...it does seem like Trewalney has given Harry some information over the years, doesn't it ;) )

-Strobe *

i dont think hermione takes muggle studies either dantares

I think Harry will stick with Dinvination because he knows that Trelawney really is a seer, and she seems to be predicting fewer deaths for him....

WAIT A SECOND!

I know this has nothing to do with it, but Trelawney made the real prophecy about Voldie and Harry.... maybe that is why she always says that Harry is going to die because she doubts he can defeat Voldie!

Harry will probaly stick with all his subjects, but get more serious into DaDa, Potions, and maybe Charms, since he wants to be an Auror.

Don't forget the BIG new thing that they learn after OWLs - Apparating/Disapparating. Not sure whether they are subjects in their own right or whether they are taught within an existing class. Nevertheless - they will learn them, and I'm sure those skills will play a significant role.

I don't think Trewlaney knows about the prediction. She doesn't know about the second one. It would be weird if they drop certain subjects, such as magical creatures, because they really contribute to the plot in other books. Maybe Ron and Harry take different subjects. Or maybe Hagrid leaves again or something. No, I don't think so. I think Trewlanwney is going to make another prediction. But Harry could possibly hear it some other way than Divination class.

I cant see ron and harry taking different subjects really, they were always together,

I think he is going to continue taking History of Magic. Or at least he will continue to have some sort of association with Professor Binns. I mean, there has got to be a reason why JKR keeps mentioning Prof. Binns, and the fact that he is a ghost.

I assumed that after their OWLs, students would just take the subjects they would need for their career and they would spend more time in each class. So then Harry and Ron would have the same subjects, assuming that Ron is serious about becoming an Auror. They would be
1. Defense Against the Dark Arts
2. Transfiguration
3. Charms
4. Potions
Hermione will probably have different classes. This will depend on what she intends to become (hopefully she's not still set on continuing SPEW :rolleyes:).

Prof. McG. said a Aurors require "a *minimum* of five N.E.W.T.s", which means he could take more than five classes.

I think he will drop History of Magic and Astronomy, and keep:

* DADA

* Herbology (that Devil's Snare info was useful, after all)

* Potions (unfortunately for him)

* Charms

* Transfiguration

* Care of Magical Creatures (if he needs to study dark creatures, Hagrid is half-giant for the job!)

* Divination (for contact with Trelawney AND Firenze)

Questions:

1. I wonder whose death Trelawney will predict now that Harry is destined for a long and fruitful life? :lol:

2. How can the students study apparation/disapparation at Hogwarts? They can't dis/apparate anywhere on the grounds, right? I've wondered how anyone learns this, since they (theoretically) can't learn at school and are not allowed to practice magic away from school. :??:

I cannot see Harry taking Divination, no way!

I think...

1)Potions
2)Charms
3)Transfiguration
4)Defense against the Dark Arts
5)Care of Magical Creatures

Harry should continue with divination.
Considering the prophecy has made such an impact on his life he shouldn't rule it out. But more than likely he will.

Maybe Harry will drop Divination because not really needed in the auror thing. But Care of Magical creatures is still important in identifying creatures during works.

I think Harry will definately take:
1. Defense Against the Dark Arts
2. Charms
3 Transfiguration

He will most likely take as long as his O.W.L.s permit:
1. Care for Magical Creatures
2. Potions
3. Herbology

He most likely won't take because of desire and scores:
1. History of Magic
2. Divination

Hermione will probally take:
1. Defense Against the Dark Arts
2. Charms
3. Transfiguration
4. Potions
5. Herbology
6. Arithimacy
7. Care of Magical Creatures
8. History of Magic

I think she may drop at least one or two of #6, 7, and 8

Ron is another story, but I think that he may take:
1. Defense Against the Dark Arts
2. Charms
3. Care for Magical Creatures
4. Herbology

Not to show Ron hope or anything, but he didn't seem to do all that well on the OWL's from my memory, espically Transfiguration

Originally posted by Siriusly_Addicted (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=428322#post428322))

2. How can the students study apparation/disapparation at Hogwarts? They can't dis/apparate anywhere on the grounds, right? I've wondered how anyone learns this, since they (theoretically) can't learn at school and are not allowed to practice magic away from school. :??:


Well, they can't get their license to Apparate until they're 17, which is of age. So I'd imagine there's either somewhere for them to learn outside of school (AFAIK Percy and the twins learned in the summer after the school year they turned 17), or they practice like mad once term is out and they're of age.

Harry will definitely take:
- Defense Against the Dark Arts
- Transfiguration
- Charms

It's highly likely that Harry will take
- Potions
- Care of Magical Creatures
- Herbology

Harry may take:
- Divination

Harry probably wont take
- History of Magic
- Astronomy

Ron will take:
- Defense Against the Dark Arts
- Charms
- Care of Magical Creatures

Ron may take
- Potions
- Herbology
- Divination
- Transfiguration
- Astronomy

Ron probably wont take
- History of Magic

Hermione will take
- Defense Against the Dark Arts
- Transfiguration
- Charms
- Potions
- Athrimancy
- Herbology

Hermione may take
- Care of Magical Creatures
- Ancient Runes
- History of Magic
- Astronomy

Hermione probably will take Care of Magical Creatures if only because Hagrid teaches it.

BTW, don't forget that McGonagall said that Snape only takes students on in 6th and 7th year if they get an O in their O.W.L.'s. I don't think Harry did that well, he probably only got an E.

When harry was in the ministry for his hearing in OotP, the elevator said that level six was the department for magical transportation...including the apparation Test Centre, but nowhere in the five books do they mention anything about training for the apparation test. Maybe it's like umbridge' ministry approved DaDA lessons. Theory only and then you have to take the test without practising first. (Didn't it say in GoF that Charlie missed his first attempt by apparating on an old lady)

I can not see Harry to take history. I thik he has done very poorly in the subject. I expect him not to pass the exam on history. He is also not talent enough to see into the future. I do not think he can do much in Divination. I never understand the important of Astronomy. Harry never seem very indifferent about the subject, I doubt he will take it.

Class he will take:
DADA:He did well, he like it and he need it.
Charm: He seem he did ok. This is probably his second best subject. He also need charm.
Transfiguration: He did ok on this one also. McD recommand him to take it.
Potion:he need it. He would take it if he has the grade.
Magical creature: He did well. Hagraid want him to take it. It is a good enough reason for him to take the subject.
Herbology:McD has not recommand the class. Harry did ok though. He may still take it.

I've been starting to think that maybe Harry won't have Potions next year. He's not very good at potions and Snape said he only takes students who get 'O's' on their O.W.L.s. I think Harry has probably passed his potion O.W.L., because he did feel more comfortalbe with Snape not being there, but I doubt he got an 'O'. I think Harry will see that he won't be taking Potions when he gets his O.W.L. results and he'll get a little disappointed about not being able to be an Auror, but he'll think on the other hand that it would be good to not have a class with Snape.

McGonagal, however, will probably try to pull some strings and get him in, but probably both Harry and Snape will fight her on it.

McGonagal is not a person who show favor. I doubt she will put a stun like that. If Harry do not do well, he will simply not able to get into Snape's class. There is always the possibility that Snape is not teaching the potion, or Harry will get extra lesson on potion outside of the regular class though.

Yeah, that's a fair point about McGonagal. I'm not sure, though. I just thought she would probably pull some strings, because of what she told him during his career advice: "Potter, I will assist you to become an Auror if it is the last thing I do! If I have to coach you nightly I will make sure you achieve the required results!" Of course, she said this right after Umbridge had told her there was no way Potter would become an Auror. So, if Harry decided it wasn't worth it to become an Auror, I think McGonagal would respect that. But, I'm kind of getting off topic. Sorry. I have a tendency to do that. But, yeah, he might not take Potions next year.

uhh ron will definately take divination. He is a seer. Check out how all of his predictions have become true. Reread POA.

Harrys choices

Transfigurations,
Potions and Antidotes (yeh...),
Defence Against the Dark Arts,
Herbology,
Charms.

special classes for Harry

Occlumency and extra advanced DADA lessons with who ever is the DADA teacher.

Club work: DA
Sport: Quidditch

Hermione

Well she will try and take up everything except for ruins. She found this too much.

Club work: DA and S.P.E.W.

Ron

Probably the same as Harry because they seem to copy choices.

The more I think about this, the more I'm torn. I think their classes will depend on two things:

1 - Whether the plot of the next two books requires Harry, and maybe Ron and/or Hermione, to interact with the teacher, and
2 - Whether there is another way to get that interaction outside of class.

The teachers I'm thinking about are Snape, Trelawney and Firenze.

uhh ron will definately take divination. He is a seer. Check out how all of his predictions have become true. Reread POA.

I don't know about that. There's not much connection between Trelawney's abilities as a Seer and the divination lessons that she (and Firenze) teach. Even Firenze basically admitted there is a difference between Seeing and divining the future. Ron could have a knack for prophecy and never take another Divination class.

This brings me back to my concerns listed above. If JKR needs to have Harry interact with Trelawney, the only practical way to do that is for him to take Divination. If JKR needs him to interact with Firenze, however, Divination class might not be necessary. I can see Dumbledore letting Firenze in on the Order's business if he hasn't already.

Same thing with Potions. We know Harry is supposed to have an O on his O.W.L.s to get into Snape's potions class, and that he needs Potions to become an Auror. There a few ways this can go, depending on what JKR needs for the plot:

1 - Harry doesn't get his O and doesn't take Potions, but he can still interact with Snape via the Order. I think Dumbledore will let Harry participate more now in the Order's activities, so Harry and Snape will have contact that way. Potions may not be strictly necessary for the plot to advance, and it would free up time for Harry to do things like Occlumency with Dumbledore, advanced DADA, the DA and Quidditch.

2 - Harry doesn't get his O but takes Potions anyway at Dumbledore's insistence. I think it would have to be Dumbledore who forces Snape's hand in this situation. This would provide interaction with Snape and would certainly help to heighten the tension between Harry and Snape, but I'm not sure how much more tension they can take before violence erupts.

3 - Harry doesn't get his O, but Snape moves to teach the DADA class and they get a new Potions teacher who accepts students who get E and above. Once again, this would provide ample interaction between Harry and Snape, but I'm convinced that Snape as DADA teacher is a very bad move right now. I believe he won't get the job until Harry is out of school (now stand back and watch JKR prove me wrong :p ).

I personally vote for Potions option 1, because I think Harry will find a different career and won't become an Auror. I don't know what he'll be, though. So, my list of classes for Harry and Ron:

1 - Care of Magical Creatures
2 - Transfiguration
3 - Charms
4 - Defense Against the Dark Arts
5 - Herbology - This one may be replaced by either Potions or Divination if they only take five N.E.W.T classes. Otherwise, it will be these five plus either Potions or Divination.

My classes for Hermione:

1 - Transfiguration
2 - Charms
3 - Defense Against the Dark Arts
4 - Arithmancy
5 - Study of Ancient Runes
6 - Care of Magical Creatures (maybe)
7 - Potions

I don't see any of the Trio taking History of Magic or Astronomy. However, it's possible that Hermione will try to take everything, so we would also need to add Herbology back to her list.

Same thing with Potions. We know Harry is supposed to have an O on his O.W.L.s to get into Snape's potions class, and that he needs Potions to become an Auror. There a few ways this can go, depending on what JKR needs for the plot:

1 - Harry doesn't get his O and doesn't take Potions, but he can still interact with Snape via the Order. I think Dumbledore will let Harry participate more now in the Order's activities, so Harry and Snape will have contact that way. Potions may not be strictly necessary for the plot to advance, and it would free up time for Harry to do things like Occlumency with Dumbledore, advanced DADA, the DA and Quidditch.

2 - Harry doesn't get his O but takes Potions anyway at Dumbledore's insistence. I think it would have to be Dumbledore who forces Snape's hand in this situation. This would provide interaction with Snape and would certainly help to heighten the tension between Harry and Snape, but I'm not sure how much more tension they can take before violence erupts.

3 - Harry doesn't get his O, but Snape moves to teach the DADA class and they get a new Potions teacher who accepts students who get E and above. Once again, this would provide ample interaction between Harry and Snape, but I'm convinced that Snape as DADA teacher is a very bad move right now. I believe he won't get the job until Harry is out of school (now stand back and watch JKR prove me wrong :p ).



And what if he just get his O? I know he wasn't very confident about the exam, but he didn't do it very bad, or maybe Snape was only threatening.
I think Harry will have classes with Snape, either potions or DADA. No other way! To be honest, I'd love to see Snape teaching them DADA. I think he could be very good teacher for those hard times.

I don't think Ron is a seer, I just think that he knows people better than we think. That's why his "predictions" come true.

PS. I wonder if there is someone very interested in everything we're speculating here, under one of the nicknames. You know, maybe JKR is here, pretending someone, and giving us fake ideas to think about, for us to miss the real ones :lol:

what if there is some new subject Harry has to take? and by the way, what about occlumency? will harry continue with that or what?:shrug:

what if there is some new subject Harry has to take? and by the way, what about occlumency? will harry continue with that or what?:shrug:

Yes Harry will have to carry on with occlumency, I put that down as a special subject and also with extra DADA lessons because he is too good for year 6 DADA classes.

If Harry does not get extra occlumency lessons, then he will be fish food for Voldermort.

I don't think any of the trio need to take Divination in order for us to keep track of Firenze and Trelawny. We can get whatever information we need through chance meetings or through Ginny, Neville, Luna, etc.

I would love to see a new History teacher brought in as it appears that very few people currently pay attention. There must be some lessons to be learned from Voldemort's first rise to aid the wizarding community in their fight. Also, from the numerous mentions, the information on the Goblins might also prove helpful.

All of them except divination.

I dont think there is anyway that Harry got an O on his Potions exam but I think he will continue taking potions because he needs it to be an auror, so maybe Dumbledore will step in. I don't think that Ron or Harry will take Divination because they seemed excited when after their Owls
they could drop the class. So here's the list...

Harry & Ron:

1. Transfiguration
2. Charms
3. Potions
4. DADA
5. Care of Magical Creatures
6. Herbology

*that means the two of them dropped Divination, History of Magic, and Astronomy**

Hermoine:
1. Transfiguration
2. Charms
3. Potions
4. DADA
5. Care of Magical Creatures
6. Herbology
7. Arithamancy

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that in England students take only three different classes after their equivalent of the OWLs. So how do we know that in Hogwarts sixth years and seventh years don't take only three, too? After all, Hogwarts and especially the exams (OWLs and NEWTs) were based directly on the British system.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that in England students take only three different classes after their equivalent of the OWLs. So how do we know that in Hogwarts sixth years and seventh years don't take only three, too? After all, Hogwarts and especially the exams (OWLs and NEWTs) were based directly on the British system.

But isn't it said that harry needs at least 5 NEWTs to became an auror?

But isn't it said that harry needs at least 5 NEWTs to became an auror?

Yep. I think Healers require either five or six as well.

I think that Harry will definatly have to take Potions because not only will it help him become an aroura, but it will also give us readers the chance to find out more about Snape (if he is taking potions next year and not DADA). We need to find out more about his relationship with harry's parents and why he is so important for harry's safety and welfare! If he doesn't take potions, then we probably wont get to the bottom of it.

But isn't it said that harry needs at least 5 NEWTs to became an auror?
Well, it appears that OWLs are given one for the theoretical exam and one for the practical exam, so two times three is six.

Well, it appears that OWLs are given one for the theoretical exam and one for the practical exam, so two times three is six.

But in Harry's Career Advice meeting with Prof. McG, she said being an Auror requires a minimum of 5 N.E.W.T.s, and then she recommended five differenet courses. Transfigurations, potions, charms and DADA were mentioned specifically. I don't remember if she specified Care of Magical Creatures or not. I took that to mean 1 course = 1 N.E.W.T.

Then again, you may be right. Take all five courses, and then if you pass five parts total you get your five N.E.W.Ts.

Alright, I searched and searched and couldn't find a thread talking about what the required OWLS scores are to do this and do that and what all the characters (not just Harry), would probably get.

All I remember right now off the top of my head is that one needed Outstanding (top marks) to get into the Potions class and Transfiguration class and those were needed to become aurors.

Now, does this mean that if you didn't make that you wouldn't take Potions (darn) or Trans. anymore?

Please feel free to add othe required grades or discuss what all the students made.

McGongagall requires an E-Exceeds Expectations-not an O. Snape does require an O.

If you don't get the required grade you don't take that class anymore.

i think harry will definately be studying potions next year. otherwise, snape will have a smaller role and that can't happen because he is one of the most mysterious characters. the only time we really see him in his element is in potions classes, if they are taken away we'll only see him in the great hall and in the corridor!

Snape has always been a constant hindrance for harry throughout the 5 books, so i doubt Jo will take that away now. having said that i suppose there are other ways of keeping snape around.

From what McG told Harry, these scores are required to be eligible to study at NEWT-level:

Potions - O
Transfiguration - E
Charms - A

She didn't mention anything else.

To become an Auror, you need 5 NEWTs, all E or higher. McG recommended DADA, Charms, Transfiguration, Potions, and of course one other subject.

As Des06 said, you need to get the required grade to proceed to NEWT level study for that subject. I think even if you got the required score, you can still drop a subject if you don't like it.

What I think the kids will get:

Harry
I'm pretty sure he'll get the required scores to do the subjects he needs to do. But here's an educated guess, based on his previous results and what actually happened during his exams.
Astronomy - A/E (the Hagrid thing)
Care of Magical Creatures - O (thumbs up!)
Charms - E (he was just scraping a pass before, so with a little improvement!)
DADA - O (obviously!)
Divination - D (no-brainer)
Herbology - E (he felt alright about this one)
History of Magic - D/A (the Sirius dream)
Potions - O (hopefully!)
Transfiguration - E (he was a borderline A/E in class, so a little improvement!)

Hermione
Well, this is a given. I'll assume she got an O for everything except the ones where she thought she made mistakes, or something strange happened.
Ancient Runes - E/O (the ehwaz thing)
Arithmancy - O (favourite subject)
Astronomy - E/O (the Hagrid incident)
Care of Magical Creatures - O (she hadn't made mistake in class for this)
Charms - O (she was always ahead of her class)
DADA - O (already good at it, plus the DA practice)
Herbology - O (walking textbook)
History of Magic - E/O (Harry's dream)
Potions - O (even Snape couldn't criticise)
Transfiguration - O (always ahead of her class here too)

Ron
Well, this are just guesses. But he was bound to be effected by some of the weird things that happened during exams.
Astronomy - A/E
Care of Magical Creatures - O
Charms - A/E (he was a bit hopeless during classes)
DADA - O (hopefully!)
Divination - D/A (he didn't really say he did badly)
Herbology - E (nothing bad mentioned here either)
History of Magic - A/E (Harry's dream would have shaken him)
Potions - E/O (he didn't mention anything bad here either)
Transfiguration - A/E (he wasn't really good at it in class)

McGongagall said that she would do whatever it takes to make Harry achieve his goal of becoming an auror(to umbridge), so I think she will pursuade snape to let Harry take potions regardless of his grades. Harry might also take 6 classes just in case he fails one

I think that the biggest surprise for Harry when he receives his OWL results will be a fairly acceptable mark in Potions. I forget whether he needs it to become an Auror, but Potions classes with Snape have been fairly important in the novels because through his relationship with Snape he has learnt a lot about his past and his parents, so it would be good to continue that trend.

H

I don't think we've considered the possibility that if Harry gets an E on the Potions OWL, McGonagall or another teacher (but probably Minerva) could tutor him in Potions on the side. I don't recall any requirements by the testers that would indicate you HAD to physically take the class from the appointed teacher in order to test in the area.

So Harry could still interact with Snape on the OotP level and the Occulemency levels, but learn his potions somewhere else, if necessary.

Even if Harry didnt get O in potions Im sure McGonagall n Dumbledore will tell Snape to take on Harry.

Harry probably made it by very well in his O.W.L.s
I'd say he made it with potions, what the hell would the book be like without a good ol' Potions class with dear old Snape? It just wouldn't be the same. Plus if Harry is the only one taking the class (Hermione might take it out of habit/just because and Ron might squeak by. But oyu never know) then we might got a bit more fun in Snape's dungeon. If he only got an E on his OWLs, well like in the 3rd or 1st year maybe someone will nudge his score up a bit like when he bombed the potions exam.

Perhaps the Ministry will make it so that "Exceeds Expectations" is the standard score for entry into NEWTs. It's horribly inconsistent at the moment.

Thats up to the teachers I believe, well Snape anyway doesn't accept anyone who scores below his expectations in Potions. I think overall he's the main obstacle. Harry just has to get his act together with the other subjects. In potions he needs a freaken miracle to keep a relatively good performance going.

Harry's poor performance in Potions is more because of Snape than his lack of talent. Harry felt good about his Potions OWL exam, without Snape swooping about.

The MoM seems to have nothing to do with the class requirements. I would think that people would continue to take some of the classes despite OWLs:

DADA - was never mentioned w/ a required OWL score, so I would assume this class is seemed as a core class at every year at the school
Potions - because there was such a complete store in Diagon Alley w/ potions ingredients, I find it hard to believe most people would only take this class through 4 years of school. I think there might be 2 levels of Potions and the OWL scores just split the students into 2 classes; one class at NEWT level (like an advance class) and one regular class (like grade level classes). Maybe you would have to be in the NEWT class to take the NEWTs for Potions.
Charms - what else is the magical world based on? It seems most magic in HP (as in most magically-based worlds) starts with charms. I don't think a person could learn all the charms they need to learn in 4 years. So, I go w/ the 2 class level theory as I had with Potions. Plus, we do know that wizards can create things out of thin air and use it for a couple of hours before it dissapears, so what class would you learn that in besides charms?
History - who goes through school without suffering this evil class? This is on here just because it wouldn't seem like school without this class. Plus, there does need to be some core classes that people should have to take.

Now, I do think people won't have to take Transfiguration anymore after this year if they don't need it. How many times would a normal wizard have to transfigure something? Of course, I might be wrong.

Now, about what classes the Trio will take:

Harry:
I do think he will be in all the Auror classes that he needs; I don't know if he'll actually make the grades for those classes, but there's always ways around that. Also, I think Ron and him will throw the towel in on reading crystal balls for the next year, so that goes:
Transfiguration
Charms
Potions
Care of Magical Creatures

Those classes I'm pretty sure on for Harry and Hermione (she'll make sure to cover all the classes in case she changes her mind about what she wants to do after school), and Ron will take those classes, also, if he makes some of the required grades.

I'm sure Hermione will continue to persue Arithmancy and Ancient Runes, as I'm sure Runes will crop up in the next 2 books as being very important pertaining to what Hermione will be able to do with them.

As for dropped classes, I'm sure we'll never seen Devinations again. I don't know about Herbology... I can't see it being a required course, but I'm sure Hermione will stay in it no matter what.

Now, when it comes to Astronomy, I bet they'll have to take it, just because we haven't heard much about it and, if Jo wasn't going to use it, then there probably wouldn't be such a class.

I'm pretty sure that we will see Divination again. I mean the whole thing happens because of a phophecy mad by Tlawny (possibly Harry most hated teacher after Snape and Umbridge).
But I don't see Harry getting an O for Potions. I believe that Snape will finally gets his DADA job and will give up potions to another new character who will accept Harry regardless of his grades.

Don't think Hargrid will continue teaching CoMC. He is most prob busy taking care of Grawp. Ron will most likely take the same subjects as Harry.

Well, it appears that OWLs are given one for the theoretical exam and one for the practical exam, so two times three is six.

I have to disagree with this. In Britain you get one GCSE (OWL) for every subject, not one for the written part and one for the practical. There are 12 possible classes you can take at OWL corresponding to the maximum number of OWLs, according to JKR on her website (I will endeavour to find the exact quote), that you can get:

Potions
Trasfiguration
Herbology
Charms
Care of Magical Creatures
Defence Against the Dark Arts
Arithmancy
Ancient Runes
Muggle Studies
Divination
History of Magic
Astronomy

Hermione gave up Divination, so she'll get 11 OWLs, and Harry and Ron will each get 9. In the UK it is extremely rare to take 12 GCSEs and 9/10 would be a normal number.

After you do your GCSEs/OWLs you do not have to come back to school, or to put it more correctly the school doesn't have to take you. You are only allowed to continue going to school if, and only if, you get a minimum number of GCSEs/OWLs at a high enough grade to continue studying it. (I'm assuming the 3 OWLs each the twins got must have been at a sufficiently high level for them to continue at Hogwarts).

At NEWT/A level you can take whatever you want, no restrictions. It is normal to take 3 A-levels, though some only take 2. It is very rare to take as many as 4, and rarer still to take 5. Some schools won't allow anyone to take more than 3, so no University course for any subject (even medicine) at any University (including Oxford and Cambridge) can make an offer of a place conditional on more than 3 subjects.

Clearly NEWTs are slightly different, the Ministry expects 5 in some cases. However, the point I'm trying to make (in an, unfortunately, very convoluted fashion) is that I really cannot see Harry taking more than 5 NEWTs, and I doubt that even Hermione would, though I suppose she may possibly take 6. Ron, I have trouble imagining taking more than 3. The thing is, A-lavels are studied to a very high level. I'm just doing A-levels in physics, chemistry, maths and further maths. Much of the physics and chemistry is covered in the 1st year of University in the USA (we use some of the textbooks), and further maths allows people going to British Universities to skip the first year in a maths degree course, since all the maths has been covered (in the UK you only study subjects related strictly to your degree area). It's very different to the USA where you're studies are very general all through school and into University. I'm not saying anything against the USA, I'm just pointing out the differences, here.

Sorry this is so long. Like I said, I'm just trying to make the point that I don't think people will be taking as many NEWTs as mentioned.

Anyway, my predictions:

Harry: Transfiguration, Defence Against the Dark Arts (natch), Charms, Potions (if at all possible) and either herbology (poisins etc., ties in with potions) or Care of Magical Creatures (for Hagrid, and also could be useful for the auror path, again tying in with potions ingredients. Perhaps.)

Ron: Defence Against the Dark Arts, certainly. Transfiguration and Charms, perhaps? Possibly Care of Magical Creatures, he doesn't seem too bad at it. I honestly can't see him coping with 5 NEWTs, Ron's definitely the academically weakest of the trio.

Hermione: Defence Against the Dark Arts, Charms, Transfiguration, Arithmancy (favourite subject) I'd say almost certainly. Quite possibly potions. As for other subjects I wouldn't really want to speculate.

I apologise for the length of this, but I just read this and had all these ideas floating around in my head and thought I might as well get them down.

Hermione also dropped Muggle Studies, so that makes 10 OWLs for her.

Thanks for the description of the British standards though. It helps a lot.

Well, we know to become an auror (or atleast to get to study to become one), you must be in atleast 3 NEWT classes (or the tests... I think we're still up in the air about having to be in the class).

Here, in America, it is very common for an excellent student to take all advanced/gifted classes. I took gifted/Advanced Placement classes in (this is my senior year, although I took them all the way through from elementary to senior):

physics - this course covered what I covered in my honors class calculus-based physics classes my freshman year in college (both semesters, so a full year of basic physics), so I just breazed through those

pre-calculus - funny that they called it pre-calc because this was basically what I covered in Calc I my freshman year

English - since it was the gifted branch, we did more reading than most college classes did, which introduced me to a lot of great books... I don't know hands on how this compares to college level because I got out of those w/ my SAT scores

Gov't/Economics - ok, this is one where it doesn't compare, but most colleges now don't require eco so I don't know why we take them in high school

most of my electives (French, etc) were either upper level classes or you had to be an upper level student and be approved through application to get into them (CISCO networking)

My point is that, in America, most students take advanced classes all the way through or they don't. You're kind of thrown into them all at once or none at all. Maybe the classes at Hogwarts is kind of like that... structured so that you can still get a good broad base in all subjects before going out into the world.

It will be interesting to see what Hermione takes because she has yet to hint at what she wants to do. I wouldn't be surprised if she's steering for a teacher's position, but, as I've stated in the thread that talks about who of Harry's friends will become teachers, I'm sure you have to have a lot of experience to teach at Hogwarts, so I'm steering for Hermione to be an ambassador/negotiator with other wizarding governmental bodies and maybe teach at a lesser magical school, so I'm betting she'll take as many classes as she's allowed to get a broad base of the magical world.

Oh, on the notes of Muggle Studies, I'm sure any witch or wizard from a muggle background could get a NEWT on any kind of test the MoM would throw at them, so maybe those people could take the NEWT without taking the class to get credit for it (kind of like when a person can speak another language fluently and they can then test out of it). That might answer our question as to if a person has to be enrolled in a class to take the NEWT.

Oh, on the notes of Muggle Studies, I'm sure any witch or wizard from a muggle background could get a NEWT on any kind of test the MoM would throw at them, so maybe those people could take the NEWT without taking the class to get credit for it (kind of like when a person can speak another language fluently and they can then test out of it). That might answer our question as to if a person has to be enrolled in a class to take the NEWT.

Well lets say that you war born in England and in school you take English class i doubt that everybody who was born in England would get an A.Right?

I don't think that ron will be able to get into all the same classes as harry this time around, because of the three main characters, ron is definitely the weakest in most fields, and he probably wont take divinition, because he bombed that owl didnt he.
wasnt he the one who was describing the testers reflection in the crystal ball?

Hermione will probably try to take as many as she can except for muggle studies and divination, and i am on the bubble for care of magical creatures, because she doesnt seem to enjoy hagrids classes that much. it seems she only says she enjoys them when harry is giving her an angry look

Well lets say that you war born in England and in school you take English class i doubt that everybody who was born in England would get an A.Right?


I don't think that's the same comparison as I made with Muggles and Muggle Studies. If you look at the assignment I do remember Hermione talking about from that class, it had to do with writing a paper over why Muggles needed electricity. Muggle Studies seems to be a class based on how Muggles get along without magic and what they do that is different from magical people, and for someone that has grown up around that all their life, this subject would be easy.
IF you want to make a comparison, it would be people that grew up in England taking a class on what everyday life was like there and how they did everything, such as what they used to cook food and what type of transportation they used.

Remember, Percy said to take Muggle Studies if they planned to be a correspondent between the MoM and the muggle Ministry or hold a job like his dad did that dealt with Muggle artifacts. This tells you that the class teaches you how Muggles act in everyday situations and what they use in lieu of magic, such as cars, gas, electricity, manual labor stuff, etc.

You could also use the example of English people taking a class on English culture ad getting an A in it, but in no way did I make a comparison like English people getting an A in English... 2 totally different things

I don't think that ron will be able to get into all the same classes as harry this time around, because of the three main characters, ron is definitely the weakest in most fields, and he probably wont take divinition, because he bombed that owl didnt he.
wasnt he the one who was describing the testers reflection in the crystal ball?

Hermione will probably try to take as many as she can except for muggle studies and divination, and i am on the bubble for care of magical creatures, because she doesnt seem to enjoy hagrids classes that much. it seems she only says she enjoys them when harry is giving her an angry look


Well, you can't say that about Divination because we were never told if Trelawny requires a certain score on the OWL to get into her year 6 and 7 classes. For all we know, she could say somebody bombed the test because they foresaw themselves in the class already and didn't need a good score.

Heck, I bet she would keep Harry around no matter what score he got just to keep predicting his immenent demise.

Do we really think that the MoM takes the Divination OWL test seriously? I know they have a room full of prophecies, but I think we were told that a true seer and true visions are very few and we have no idea how old most of those visions are or if they were only given by a hand full of people. We could probably guess that a lot of those prophecies were given by Trelawney's ancestor (Cassandra Vlab.. something or other ,wasn't it?).

I think the only classes that have to have a certain grade to get into that have a higher class (possibly) are the ones that McGonagal mentioned (charms, potions, trans.)... this is all we can really assume right now, and it's not much of an assumption.

Well, we know to become an auror (or atleast to get to study to become one), you must be in atleast 3 NEWT classes (or the tests... I think we're still up in the air about having to be in the class).That's not right, Elocin.

To be eligible to apply to become an Auror, you need 5 NEWTs (pardon the big font... I just wanted to try it). :)

And in addition....

Nothing under "Exceeds Expectations".

Tough stuff.

I'd say Harry will take Care of Magical Creatures, Charms, DADA, Potions, and Transfiguration. Basically, stuff that will get him a kickstart to becoming an Auror, with Care of Magical Creatures thrown in for general interest.

Ron would probably take Care of Magical Creatures, Charms, DADA, Herbology, Potions, and Transfiguration. He did show an interest in becoming a Healer, and you need all the subjects that I've just mentioned except Care of Magical Creatures, to be eligible to apply to become a Healer. He will probably take Care of Magical Creatures out of interest -- like his brother Charlie.

Hermione will most likely take every subject she can get her hands on. Which would be -- all the subjects except Divination and Muggle Studies. She will want a broad base of study to keep her options open, and she's a sucker for knowledge.

I wonder what Neville and Malfoy will take?

Not only that but English and Mathematics are required at grade C or above before you can continue on with A-levels and Degree level. So if you didn't get a C in English and Mathematics you could not continue onto such course until you did.

So I was wondering whether Potions, Charms and DADA have a set minimum requirement as they seem like compulsory options for students to take if they are to be consider to continue with there studies at Hogwarts beyond OWLs. If not then the education system at Hogwarts does not parallel with the English educational system at all.

I don't see why many people predict that Harry will take Care of Magical Creatures just because of Hargrid. One thing for sure is that it does not help Harry in his job of being an Auror. Of course, Divination serves no purpose too. Herbology seems the more logical choice since it is related to potions (which is a compulsory subject).

OK, first off, when I said "atleast 3 NEWTs", I meant that we know that there are 3 specific classes that are required. I realize that there are 5 NEWTs required, but we only know what 3 of those can be. Does that make sense? We know only 3 of what he has to have....

Also, I'm sure, just like in America, you have to pass a certain level to go onto the next (like you have to pass your soph English class to go onto your junior English class and so forth like that). I know people speculated that one of the Slytherin Quidditch players (I think the captain) had failed and was held back a year at Hogwarts because one book said he was in a certain grade and then another book mentioned him when he should have graduated or something like that. I'm sure Hogwarts doesn't let just anybody go and do potions, etc. if they can't do basic stuff.

Also, I think Care of Magical Creatures would be a great thing for an auror to have. If you've read the book on them, there are a lot of dangerous creatures out there and I'm sure a lot of evil could be done with them, so an auror would have to know how to handle them. For instance, an evil witch or wizard could keep hippogriffs. If an auror approached the house and didn't know how to act around these creatures, they could lose a head to them. Also, many creatures could be valuable to them, such as kneazles (these have already proven their worth when it comes to Figg, Filch, and Hermione having hers, even though she doesn't realize it yet), and the niffler (who is good at finding shiny things and can be used at Egyptian pyramids). What other class are you going to learn about these things?

I still think that there are going to be basic classes that everybody must take, such as Defense Against the Dark Arts and Charms.

I'm sure they have to take astronomy, also, based on the shear fact that we haven't seen hardly anything with that class.

Has anyone thought about the auror thing requiring a certain schore in DADA? I mean, isn't this a big part of the job?

OK, first off, when I said "atleast 3 NEWTs", I meant that we know that there are 3 specific classes that are required. I realize that there are 5 NEWTs required, but we only know what 3 of those can be. Does that make sense? We know only 3 of what he has to have....Pardon me for contradicting you again. We actually know 4 specific classes that were recommended by McGonagall (therefore probably required). They are Charms, DADA, Potions, and Transfiguration.

To be eligible for entry into NEWT level classes for those subjects, Charms requires Acceptable grade, no required grade was mentioned for DADA, Potions requires Outstanding, and Transfiguration requires Exceeds Expectations.

For eligibility to apply for Auror training, all 5 NEWTs need to be at Exceeds Expectations or higher.

Those are all in OotP, in the chapter where Harry has careers consultation with McGonagall.

Also, I think Care of Magical Creatures would be a great thing for an auror to have.I fully agree. Knowledge of how to identify and interact with magical creatures would be as useful as knowledge of magical plants, in my opinion.

I still think that there are going to be basic classes that everybody must take, such as Defense Against the Dark Arts and Charms.I disagree with this. The vibe seems to be that the 7 compulsory subjects cease to be compulsory after earning OWL qualification.

Has anyone thought about the auror thing requiring a certain schore in DADA? I mean, isn't this a big part of the job?As I stated earlier in my previous reply (in bold font) and also earlier in this post, an Auror applicant needs to score nothing less than Exceeds Expectations for their 5 NEWTs -- including, of course, DADA.

Once again, I didn't make myself clear to some people. It's amazing how you sound to some people when you say something you think is simple, they say you meant something that you didn't mean, and then you read it and see where they got it from and see that you can't make youtself clear to save your own life.

I meant that we know of 3 required grades for the auror program; we only know of 3 specific grades from 3 classes that he has to make. Assuming that NEWTs are one for each class, we don't know what the other 2 have to be. I agree with you that one probably is DADA and the other might be from any subject,but might have subjects that it can't be from, like Divination. It seems that that class is not highly looked at.

Glad to see some one else see's my point of view on Care of Magical Creatures. It also seems Hagrid is getting more serious about the class, so hopefully they'll get deeper into the subject.

On the required classes, I hope to god that every student must take a basic charms class all the way through school. Charms seems to be a big part of the magical world (what does most magic? CHARMS), so I'm hoping that class will be required. I see some students dropping out if nothing is required and they had to make a specific score on their OWLs to continue in every class. Plus, if there wasn't a required course, some students probably would only take 1 or 2 classes. Maybe there's a required number of courses you must take, thus inturn basically making some courses required as most students fall back on basic courses like charms to meet this requirement.

Again, w/ the DADA score, I was misunderstood. What I meant was that the NEWT-level courses that you take to try to become an auror all require a certain score in the OWLs. When I said a certain score in DADA, I meant a certain score on the OWL for DADA to get into the NEWT-level course, if there is a NEWT-level course for DADA. I know that you will have to have a NEWT in DADA to get into auror training, but do you have to have a certain OWL to get into the next DADA class?

Ah, that's much clearer Elocin. :)

Maybe there's a required number of courses you must take, thus inturn basically making some courses required as most students fall back on basic courses like charms to meet this requirement.That is very possible. When I went to high school, everyone had to do 6 subjects in the final two years (Year 11 and 12). The only compulsory subject was one of two types of English -- differentiated according to level of difficulty.

I know that you will have to have a NEWT in DADA to get into auror training, but do you have to have a certain OWL to get into the next DADA class?I think the pre-requisite score is decided by the teacher for that subject. Since Umbridge has been ousted, I guess the students will be in a limbo as to whether they can continue to NEWT DADA, until a new teacher draws the line. My guess is that you'd need Exceeds Expectations, although just an Acceptable could be.... acceptable, if they get a very forgiving teacher.

Originally Posted by Elocin4684
Maybe there's a required number of courses you must take, thus inturn basically making some courses required as most students fall back on basic courses like charms to meet this requirement.

I'm going to both agree and disagree with this statement, so please try and bear with me.

I think it's entirely possible that you are required to take a certain number of subjects, possibly 2 or maybe 3. However I think it's unlikely that they are forced to take any one class.

I'm inclined to think this because when I chose my A-Levels (NEWTs) I had to take 3 different subjects minimum, but those subjects could be whatever I wanted. As an example, I chose not to do English, a subject I believe is compulsory the entire way through school in the US. This meant that I didn't do any English classes at all after my GCSEs (OWLs), not one.

In Britain it's not that you do some advanced classes, as well as some other subjects, it's that you only do the subjects you chose to do. You have finished your compulsory education, and any education you get thereafter is only what you choose to get.

However, I have to say it's likely that a lot of people will take charms. It's like English and Maths in Britain. Neither of them is compulsory at A-level, but most people do take one or the other (though very few take both).


On another note, there's some confusion over required grades for auror training. I'll post what it says in the book.

"They ask for a minimum of 5 NEWTs, and nothing under 'Exceeds Expectations' grade, I see."

Minerva McGonagall
OotP "Careers Advice" p583UK

Also McGonagall says he ought to take Defence Against the Dark Arts, Charms and Potions, and advises Transfiguration. Interesting that she never says he has to take those subjects.

She also states that it is the specific teacher who sets the minimum required grades at OWL level that are requires to continue studying that subject.

"I ought to tell you now, Potter, that I do not accept students into my NEWT classes unless they have achieved 'Exceeds Expectations' or higher at Ordinary Wizarding Level .......... And I must also tell you that Professor Snape abslutely refuses to take students who get anything other than 'Outstanding' in their OWLs."

Minerve McGonagall
OotP "Careers Advice" p584UK

These are the only minimum acceptable grades specifically mentioned that I could find.

I think it's fairly reasonable to assume that no teacher (or at least very few - the only two I would suggest who might are Trelawney and Binns) will accept anyone into their NEWT classes if they have not achieved at least an Acceptable in their OWLs. Since Acceptable is the lowest passing grade, it makes sense to me that it's the lowest acceptable grade for any course. McGonagall and Snape have chosen to make the required standard higher for Transfiguration and Potions (Exceeds Expectations and Outstanding respectively), while from what McGonagall says Flitwick has cjosen to accept anybody who passes Charms and wishes to do NEWT level charms. Other required grades are sheer guesswork at the minute.

I would expect Ron, Hermione and Harry to all do NEWT DADA, Charms and probably Transfiguration. Other subjects I am less certain of (though I would expect Harry and Hermione to continue with Potions if they get an O in their OWL). Neville I would think will also take DADA, Charms, and I definitely expect him to do NEWT Herbology, and possibly Transfiguration too. I think he probably will not want to do Potions. The other people in Harry's year I really have no clue what they will do.

Methinks that Snape will become DADA teacher, allowing Harry to take:
DADA
Potions
Charms
Transfiguration
Divination/Herbology/Care of Magical Creatures

I think this has to happen as then Harry can continue to have the idea of being an Auror, so that JKR can keep the dea of Harry after Hogwarts in our minds so that if he is killed off at the end it is still a real shock (are you following me - this is kinda difficult to express on paper).

I would say CoMC, as Herbology really has little importance in the story and Harry will give up Divination unless Dumbly forces him to do it.

Ron: Pretty similar to Harry I suppose

Hermione:
DADA
Potions
Charms
Transfiguration
Any other two (eg. Herbology/CoMC/Runes/Arithmancy)

I don't believe she will take more than six. No matter how clever she is I think that would be taking it a bit too far.

Ah, yes... I forgot we don't have a DADA teacher to decide that. Maybe, if one is not found in time, Dumbledore will decide on a certain score. Or maybe he'll just waive the requirement becuase he sees it as a very important class to take right now.

I'm guessing most people will stay in Charms... it seems like such a useful class.

I think Hermione will definitely keep going with Arithmancy since it is her favorite class due to the fact that it's so precise and unwavering.

I think that Harry's results will be very good in the end, perhaps not so good in Potions, but I doubt Snape will fail him. Ron's will probably be almost the same, with Hermione of course getting the top grades. I agree with Snape being the defence against the Dark arts teacher, I think he has earned his chance to do the job now. :cool:

It is very possible, now that Firenze has joined the Divination department at Hogwarts, that Divination could become a worthwhile subject for Harry to continue to study. He doesn't have much of a choice in the other areas...Potions, Transfiguration, DADA (the best class of them all!)
I do agree the Harry may have to drop Care of Magical Creatures to allow him to focus on his more serious classes for his NEWTs. :sad:

Harry will definatly take DADA
I think he will barely scrap by so he can take potions
He will probably take all of the required subjects to become an arua along with Hagrid's class.

Ok, here's the answer to a lot of questions:

faye109: Is 12 the maximum possible number of OWLs one can achieve?
JK Rowling replies -> Yes, I think it is off the top of my head.

So, you can get only 12 OWLs. I would think that would be 1 for every class.

Big Ups to Flee From Death for that explanation of the UK system. And I think you are right on the money with what classes Harry will take.

I think that Harry will still want to be a Aurora even after Voldemort is dead so in book 6&7 he will take five NEWT classes and that four of them will be the classes that Prof. McGonagall told him about.

Defense against the Dark Arts
Charms
Transfiguration
Potions Yes Harry will get into Snape's NEWT class even if he doesn't get an O after all its not like can't do the work. Harry's problems with potions is Snape's treatment of him(same for Neville) and I think that Dumbledore will come down on "Snivellus" with both feet for the way he acted in OotP and one of those things will be letting Harry in to his NEWT class.

If the fifth class is an elective he will take Care for Magical Creatures so he can stay close to Hagrid. And all this to Occlumency,the DA and Quidditch(captain?) and whatever evil Voldemort has planed and that is a full year.


Although nothing has been said about anybody else's plans it wouldn't be surprising it Hermione and Neville go the Auror route as well so they too will take those four courses and Arithmancy and Herbology respectively.

I also agree with that Ron will not take five NEWTs he will probably go with three DADA,Charms and CoMC.

I doubt Hermione will study to be an auror. I see her as more of a diplomat.

I don't think Harry will play Quidditch anymore. He seemed content after OotP to not play.

First of all I think Harry’s priorities will change dramatically after what he has found out. I don’t think career will be his big concern when picking subjects. I think he will focus on what he needs to survive and defeat Voldemort.
I don’t think Potions will be high on that list. Snape could well finally get that DADA job, keeping him in contact with Harry who will defiantly take DADA. Charms and Transfiguration will be important against all enemies. He will not do Herbology or Astronomy, but will do divination in an attempt to understand the prophecy. CoMC may go in for fun/interest/friendship (kids do that).

I don't think Harry will play Quidditch anymore. He seemed content after OotP to not play.

Fine with me...heh. Quidditch has never been a part of the books I was particularly fond of. It makes for nice effects in the movies, but otherwise, it was kind of boring and repetitive, IMHO.

I highly doubt he will stop playing Quidditch. I think he has said several times it is his favorite part of hogwarts

Not sure if this was brought up yet, but in Harry's Divination examination he predicted Buckbeak flying away unharmed when he gazed into the crystal ball. While Trelawney wasn't happy with the prediction at the time, it did turn out to be correct. He will probably get an O in Divination (Harry and Ron always do best when they are just making stuff up).

My class lineup for Harry.
DADA
Potions
Charms
Transfiguration
Care of Magical Creatures
Divination
Herbology

I think he will drop History of Magic and Astronomy. He did not perform well in either of those exams. On a side note, I don't remember him taking a Herbology OWL. Did Harry take Herbology in OoTP??

As for Harry not playing Quidditch anymore, I disagree. Of course Harry was upset with what happened at the end of the OoTP, but that doesn't mean he's going to change a whole lot. After all, Voldemort has only tried to kill him 4 times in the first 5 books. It's not like he hasn't had to deal with things before. DD has slowly given Harry (or let him discover) more and more each book about himself, his parents, and Voldemort. Breaking them up into digestible chunks so he won't get overloaded. I really don't see OoTP containing ant radical catalyst that would cause him to change much. OoTP was the next chunk of info that kind of tied the first 4 books together, that answered the underlying question of why Voldemort was after Harry to begin with. I predict Harry will return to being seeker, Ginny will move to Chaser, and Ron as Keeper. I want to know who will be doing the announcing. I'm gonna miss Lee Jordan!!

Harry will not give up quidditch it is a release that he really needs. Even if he tries to I think that Dumbledore and/or McGonagall will convince him to play for his own sake.

I tend to think he'll continue with quidditch, simply because if he didn't

1) Everyone in his House would be furious as he's the star player, and

2) He needs some fun in his life. I know from being at that stage in school that if you don't have something to take your mind off work occasionally you go a bit stir crazy. And I didn't have to save the world as well.

I tend to agree with Knight Bus when she said that Dumbledore would encourage him to play. Remember in the 1st book after he won a quidditch map Dumbledore saying he was glad he'd been keeping busy, instead of dwelling on the Mirror of Erised (shall attempt to find exact quote).

Argh! I can't quote yet, it's annoying. Ah well.

It's probably just as well Flee from Death didn't take English - her mind is obviously entirely too logical for such an oblique subject.

Needless to say, my mind is not. :)

If Harry wants to be an Auror, it will be 5 NEWTs. Hermione will do five because she won't be able to decide between them (unless of course she makes a list - sorry, private joke). Ron will probably do the three he is best at, whatever they may be.

And I sincerely doubt any of them will 'have what it takes' to train security trolls.

By the way, Harry couldn't give up Quidditch, for all the reasons mentioned above.

It is the poor boy's only release - he loves to fly, it calms him down. Stopping him from playing Quidditch probably contributed in quite a significant way to his restless anger through OotP.

Fresh air and exercise! :) Like I'm one to talk...

Found the quote I was looking for!

"Nice to see you haven't been brooding about that mirror ... been keeping busy ... excellent ..."

Dumbledore, Philosopher's Stone, "Nicholas Flamel", p164UK

I have to agree with LilyEvans when she said his lack of quidditch contributed to his restless anger. I remember in one of the books (was it 3?) Harry commented on how he had fewer troubled dreams after his quidditch practice. Does anyone remember where this was? I'm not even certain about which book it was in.

LilyEvans, it is not that English should be, by nature, an illogical subject. It is just that in order to fill the requisite amount of room to make your comment look like an essay it is necessary to pad it out with a lot of tangential information, and large complicated sentences, to make it look more:

a) intimidating, and
b) intelligent

If they had exams on Harry Potter instead of making people suffer through "Our Town", "Bleak House" and "The Woman in White" I'd be flying. As it is I'll stick to physics.


Hermione does seem the type to make lists, doesn't she?

That, Flee from Death, was not the Hermione to whom I was referring. And stop using big words. You're scaring the first years. But I agree. English literature exists only as a subject in which information noone needs is discussed at such a length and to such a degree of separation that it bears very little resemblance to the actual novel/play/poem that inspired it. Inspired, please note, should be in my most sarcastic quote marks. Spawned, is really a better word.

Getting back to the topic, I'm not sure where that quote came from, but it seems fairly sound. I shall have a look for it.

Oh, and PS: If we could take exams in Harry Potter we'd do much better than we usually do in Physics. :) Wonder why that is>???

Wow, a whole class on HP! They have college classes on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and anime, so why not HP? It could be a philosphical class. Actually, some one on the boards did mention they were taking a class about fantasy literature, or something like that, so I guess that's kind of close. I could see it now:

Some one's 10 year high school reunion...
"So, what did you get your bachelors in?"
"Oh, I got a bachelors in Hogwarts history with a minor in quidditch theory. I then went on to get a masters in the early years of Harry Potter specializing in Years 5 and 6."


Back on subject, I hope Ron gets high enough scores to take enough classes for being an Auror. I think Harry will and Ron will feel awful if he doesn't make the right scores.

What do you think some of the other HP students will take next year? Crabbe?, Goyle?, Malfoy? Neville? Semus?
I'm not entirely sure!

I am 100% sure that Neville will take Herbology. Past that, I have no idea. We really don't know the other characters that well in the academic realm, so it's really hard to say.

I would put money on Malfoy, and in all likelihood Crabbe and Goyle, ending up in at least one of the same classes as Harry. Transfiguration or Charms, perhaps?

And, yes: Neville is almost bound to do herbology, isn't he? And judging by his performance in the DA, maybe DADA as well.

in response to what Hesdead-dealwithit said on page 2, in Scotland (where JKR lives) students take 5 subjects when they are 16 (in harry's case when they are in sixth year).

I think that harry will get an O in potions even if it is just because of his fame - some of the examiners such as Prof. Toffty really liked harry so he might scrape an O because of that.

Harry, Ron and Hermione will definately all take DADA, Charms, Transfiguration. i think that harry will take potions but apart from that i dont know

Based on book 5 the chapter on OWLs, I basically deduced these OWL(s) results Harry going to get:

1) Charms Theory - Outstanding OR Exceeds Expectations
2) Charms Practical - Exceeds Expectations (He confused growth charm with colour change charm)
3) Transfiguration Theory - Exceeds Expectations or Acceptable (some mistakes in theory)
4) Transfiguration Practical - Acceptable (pg 629: but thought his practical could have been a lot worse)
5) Herbology - Outstanding OR Exceeds Expectations
6) DADA Theory - Outstanding
7) DADA Practical - Outstanding
8) Potions Theory - Acceptable
9) Potions Practical - Exceeds Expectation OR Acceptable
10) Care for magical creatures - Outstanding OR Exceeds Expectations
11) Astronomy Theory - Exceeds Expectation OR Acceptable
12) Astronomy Practical - Acceptable (since he only completed 2/3 of his starchart)
13) Divination - Dreadful (his worst subject)
14) History of magic - Acceptable OR Dreadful (a lot questions he skipped over)

Subjects he take in book 6: DADA, Charms, Transfigurations, Potions, Care for Magical Creatures, Herbology

I agree with that schedule. Hermione probably won't be taking Muggle Studies, or Astronomy...

~Amanda

I do believe apparating and disapparating is something done outside of school. Wasn't Fred and George's tests done during the summer holiday?
If that is true, I don't think they'll be learning much about that, except for the theory, perhaps.

Odd though that JKR never really mentions Harry's grades. We always know how Hermione is doing, but as for Harry and Ron... we get to know when they get top marks... but we don't know just how good of students they are. They must be good if they both were considered for prefect. As Snape wasn't doing the grading or assigning the tasks it's possible he got an O.

i think harry will not continue in divinations though i think ron is. i think ron is an undiscovered seer and he will end up taking divination and thats when we will find out. harry HAS to take potions, though im not sure he'll learn by snape. i think MgG will help him b/c of he promise in book 5

harry probably will get the ones he needs 2 become an auror with or without the influence of professor mcgonagall because of when she said she would make sure he would become an auror if it was the last thing she did. i think hermione is probably going to get the most OWLs and take the most classes

Well, at frist I thought that apparation tests would be given once the person turns of age, but since we now know that the twins' b-day is April 1, and that they did take their test over the summer, the test is not given during the school year. And the test couldn't have been at Hogwarts because you cannot apparate there.

Also, I would imagine Hermione would not take muggle studies since she did drop it. I don't know about astronomy. One of the trio must be taking it because we have not learned anything about the class and if there was nothing important happening in there, I would think Jo would have not included it.

I am sure, though, that Hermione can take the NEWT test for muggle studies. I don't think one has to be in the class for one to take the NEWT, although it would probably help, except in the case of witches and wizards that are muggle born.

I am sure, though, that Hermione can take the NEWT test for muggle studies. I don't think one has to be in the class for one to take the NEWT, although it would probably help, except in the case of witches and wizards that are muggle born.

In that same vein, will Harry necessarily have to take NEWT DADA? We know that 6th years are taught about the unforgiveables, but they learned that in their 4th year. With Harry having been able to produce a fully coporeal patronus since his 3rd year, he's far, FAR ahead of most of the other students.

We don't know what else students learn during the NEWT class, but I almost wonder if he'll really learn anything new. With the war going on, Harry might not study the same curriculum as the rest of the NEWT DADA students and get private tutoring on things he'll need to face VM.

That aside, if Harry does take DADA, here's my list:

DADA
Potions (he'll either get O or McGonagall/DD will bully Snape into accepting him)
Transfiguration
Charms
Herbology

I'm going with Herbology for the 5th class. We haven't seen enough of Sprout, and I think there's something up there. I have a feeling one of the teachers is going to be in VM's circle at some point, and if it's not Snape, then Sprout may be a possibility. As the Herbology teacher, she would be in a position to do harm to Harry in the guise of classwork. Some of the things they grow in that class are harmful or deadly, and it would be very easy for her to sabotage Harry. Plus, there's the theory that Neville will become the Herbology professor after he leaves school, so the position would have to be vacant. Even if Sprout doesn't turn out to be bad, something could always happen during class, and we would need Harry to be there to get the events first hand.

I don't know if Ron is serious about becoming an Auror. When he described it, he almost sounded like a kid saying he/she wants to be a doctor, astronaut or firefighter when they grow up. It's a cool, high profile position and I don't think he'd be willing to do all the studying and training to do it. I'm not quite sure what I see him doing. I think he's probably a true seer, so it may not matter what he takes. Just for the sake of naming it, here's my list for Ron:

DADA
CoMC
Charms
Transfiguration (if he can swing the OWL requirement)

Hermione is the quintessential over-achiever. She will take as many as they'll let her take, which some people have speculated to be no more than 5 or 6. I agree that she's grooming herself for what passes as wizard politics, either work in the MoM or activist work with SPEW. I also agree with Elosin that she'll probably take the NEWT Muggle Studies exam just for the heck of it, because she can probably pass with 300%. :D Here's my list for Hermione:

DADA
Transfiguration
Charms
Potions
Arithmancy
Herbology

I'm going with Herbology for Hermione as well, just because we've never seen Harry and Hermione in a class together without Ron. I think it would be an interesting dynamic, plus it would be good for her to file away as many facts about the things they're growing for the reasons I stated above in Harry's list.

Neville is pretty easy, actually. You know he's going NOWHERE near Potions, even if he had made a super-dooper O+++++ on his OWL. I think the Snape/Neville interaction has run its course and there's no reason to put them (and the readers) through more of it. I see Neville taking:

Herbology
DADA
Charms
Transfiguration (again, if he can swing the OWL requirement).

I think as the group grows up and starts defining their own interests and personalities apart from their friends, we'll see Harry and Ron taking different classes and we'll see how powerful these students are in their chosen paths.

bowlwoman

I know a lot of people think Harry knows everything there is to know about DADA because he can do some big stuff, like a patronus, but that doesn't mean he knows everything. That's like saying that somebody that has learned a really complicate equation just for the purpose of a math contest can skip a whole math year. This is not true because they are missing many details that other things will be built on and they probably missed out on a lot of info.

This is the same for Harry. Even though he knows how to make a patronus doesn't mean he knows everything about DADA. A patronus is just one thing and won't help against an evil witch or wizard coming at you.

But that's kinda my point here. With Harry in this particular situation, the ends may justify the means. When he's tete-a-tete with VM fighting for his life, whether or not he learned the specifics of how a patronus works or why this jinx causes boils while that one causes warts won't be as important as him actually knowing how to defend himself sucessfully.

VM is the worst Dark Wizard in 100 years, so you know he'll know he'll be doing some funky mojo. I doubt students are taught how to defend yourself to that level even in the NEWT class, so Harry may get special dispensation to go beyond NEWT level DADA lessons or possibly even guinea pig some new techniques. Occulmency may be a part of his addition DADA training, since he couldn't do it with Snape and DD may still be a little wary of being too close to VM's connection to Harry.

bowlwoman

Hmm... OK, I see what you are saying. I'm torn between Harry trying to lead a normal school life and Harry dropping everything and preparing for the final battle. I am leaning towards normal. though, because he still needs to have interaction with other students during class to make the story interesting.

I really don't think Harry will be able to prepare against Voldemort with conventional magic. Occlumency and that sort of thing might be helpful, but ultimately of little importance. Harry has shown to be very good at DADA, but with the exception of Quidditch, he's not really good at anything else. We see he has strong emotions and will power, but no extraordinary magical power, per se (otherwise, he would be good at everything else too).

As I see it, Harry is not an all-round powerful wizard. He has particular strengths that makes him suited to perform particular types of spells -- spells that rely on emotions and will power, like the Patronux, and resisting the Imperius. In every other respects, he is quite ordinary.

Ultimately, the fight against Voldemort doesn't hinge on Harry taking particular subjects, or trying to prepare himself with extra training. It's about being able to harness the "power the Dark Lord knows not". Otherwise, Harry has no chance whatsoever, even if he does becomes more skilled than Voldemort.

If Harry is going to get any special training, it should focus on that "power the Dark Lord knows not". Everything else is pointless -- he would be better off just studying normally, so that he has a good chance at a post-war career.

emm...
never really thought of it...
but...
DADA - def.!
Potions - DD will ask him to take it... Snape's face would look like some one have thrown mud to him!
Transfiguration - Very important...
Divination - he'll def. need to lay off this!
Charms - A must!
History of Magic - Need it, but pls get them a new teacher!
Care of Magical Creature - Hagrid! How can Harry ever let him down!
Ancient Runes - Hermione might persuade him!
Arithmancy - Hermione again in the picture...
Muggle study - My dad thinks muggles are facsinating, maybe we should take the lesson, there's Ron in the picture!
Flying Lesson - if the yougest seeker of the century still needs it, duh!

Ron
He'll take whatever Harry took...

Hermione
Never divination! Def. evrything... Still in DADA

Neville...
Herbology... Def....
DADA - practicing to seek revange for his parents...
Divination - Look to the future and beyond! duh! He'll need to lay off this one!
Most of what Harry took...

Malfoy
Potion! - DO I have to explain?
DADA - Probably drop this... Who needs defence? Yeah right!
Care of Magical Creature - to get to Hagrid in every possible way!
Most of what Harry took...

I could actually see Harry taking everything that he's taking now. If he's serious about becoming an Auror then he'll have to take most of these classes anyways. The only one that he could really drop that wouldn't matter would be Divination. But he could end up still taking it. Maybe it won't be so bad in his sixth year. He's not going to drop Care of Magical Creatures because I think Hagrid would be sad if he did. And we wouldn't see Hagrid all that much if he did.


I think he will drop Divination. During his OWL exam, he told the examiner she should have died a week earlier and Ron described an ugly man with a wart to his examiner and it turned out to be a reflection!! I think the book taught us that Divination is only useful for a true Seer -- like Trelawny, even though she's only made TWO real predictions. I do think Harry's dreams are prohpetic. I love where he dreamed that he showed up for Quidditch and Slytherin was on dragons -- later in Goblet of Fire what does he do? Uses his broom to avoid a dragon!

well if not mcgongall then maybe dumbledore could help? i don't know maybe he would or the rest of the order?

OWL Results:

Astronomy--Poor
Care of Magical Creatures--Excellent
Charms--Excellent
Defense Against the Dark Arts--Outstanding
Divination--Poor
Herbology--Acceptable
History of Magic--Terrible
Potions--Acceptable
Transfiguration--Acceptable

As for his NEWT classes:

1. DADA-Duh.
2. Transfiguration-You need it to become an Auror...and McGonagall will be helpful.
3. Charms-Duh
4. Potions- Well, you need an "Outstanding" OWL to get into Snapes class, but I think that this rule will change for Harry's sake.
5. Care of Magical Creatures-Get to spend time with Hagrid...aurors do deal with some magical creatures.

And if he has to take anything else...he'll probably take either Herbology or Divination.

Harry will definitely have to take Defense Against the Dark Arts, Transfiguration, Charms, and Potions.
I know that Harry may not have done well on his O.W.L. in Potions but I believe that McGonagall and Dumbledore will get him into Potions even if Snape has set an expectation of O.
Harry may also take Care of Magical Creatures, Herbology, and Divination.

I don’t think Harry will take Astronomy or History of Magic

Ron will take whatever Harry is taking since he is also thinking about going to be an Auror

Hermione will take the same as Harry EXCEPT for Divination since she walked out saying it was a waste of time. She may also take Athrimancy and Ancient Runes.

it says that harry needs 5 NEWTS to becoime an auror, but that doesn't mean has has to take 5 subjects, i hope he will still take care of magical creatures. hagrid it a champ. i think he will also take , DADA, potions, transfiguration and charms. maybe divination

Do we know if Harry would be able to pick his classes? I mean if someone failed French 1 then the teacher probably wont allow them to enter French 2 unless they get a tutor. So maybe Harry could only take classes that he has passing O.W.L.s in, with Snape he might have to take extra lessons to become a Auror.

I doubt we will see anymore of Trelanwey's class, but I don't know about the centaur.

I'll probably end up repeating what other people have already said in this thread, but it's my opinion, so...

I definitely think Harry will pursue his Auror career. He'll probably take:
DADA
Potions
Transfiguration
Charms
CoMC

For sure, Ron will take:
DADA
CoMC
And maybe Transfiguration and Charms.
And I don't know what else he would take.

Hermione will probably take every subject except Divination and Muggle Studies.

Neville will probably take:
Herbology
DADA
And I'm not sure about the rest.

BUT Astronomy has been a very obscure class in all five years, and so has the professor. I think that one or more of them WILL take Astronomy. I don't think we've heard the end of that class yet.

At the begining of the year, Snape told his class that he would not be taking students who were graded below 'outstanding' into his NEWT potions classes and something tells me that Harry did not at all get such a high mark. So how on earth will he ever become an auror? Here's how: durring Harry's carreers advice session with McGonnagal, she gets ****** off at umbridge when Umbrige told her Harry had no chance of becoming an auror. So what does McGonnagal do? She somewhat recklessly shouts that she would assist Harry to become an auror by any means possible. To me, it seems as if she will be the one to override Snape and make him accept Harry into his classes. If it happens, this would certainly create even more tension between Harry and Snape and it would also be...er...amusing to watch McGonnagal try to convice Snape to postpone his 'happy moment of farewell' and spend another two years teaching arrogant Potter. I'll definitly be looking forward to this! What do you think???????????

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[QUOTE=sfaist]Not sure if this was brought up yet, but in Harry's Divination examination he predicted Buckbeak flying away unharmed when he gazed into the crystal ball. While Trelawney wasn't happy with the prediction at the time, it did turn out to be correct. He will probably get an O in Divination (Harry and Ron always do best when they are just making stuff up).


Exams are different than OWLs. OWLs are administered by outside examiners (which I think is a GREAT idea). During his divination OWL, he told Madam March that she should have died the week before. Not too good really! And Ron told his examiner all about an ugly man with a wart on his nose and it turned out to be his examiner's reflection in the crystal ball! I think they "blew it" on Divination but might receive acceptable anyway. Honestly, I think that Divination OWLs are done so they can try to weed out true SEERs as they seem to be very, very rare. I think that it's something you have to be born with and everyone who demonstrates practical skill (i.e. learned the basics) can make "Acceptable." At least, that's my theory.

That, Flee from Death, was not the Hermione to whom I was referring. And stop using big words. You're scaring the first years. But I agree. English literature exists only as a subject in which information noone needs is discussed at such a length and to such a degree of separation that it bears very little resemblance to the actual novel/play/poem that inspired it. Inspired, please note, should be in my most sarcastic quote marks. Spawned, is really a better word.

Getting back to the topic, I'm not sure where that quote came from, but it seems fairly sound. I shall have a look for it.

Oh, and PS: If we could take exams in Harry Potter we'd do much better than we usually do in Physics. :) Wonder why that is>???

You would love my neighbor. He's a college professor and working on his PhD in literature (I can't remember exactly what sort). Anyway, he uses the Harry Potter books in his classes. His students read and study them!!

Exams are different than OWLs. OWLs are administered by outside examiners (which I think is a GREAT idea). During his divination OWL, he told Madam March that she should have died the week before. Not too good really! And Ron told his examiner all about an ugly man with a wart on his nose and it turned out to be his examiner's reflection in the crystal ball! I think they "blew it" on Divination but might receive acceptable anyway. Honestly, I think that Divination OWLs are done so they can try to weed out true SEERs as they seem to be very, very rare. I think that it's something you have to be born with and everyone who demonstrates practical skill (i.e. learned the basics) can make "Acceptable." At least, that's my theory.





All of you need to search back and read Flee from Death's(pg.3) post in which she explains the UK education system and it compares to Hogwarts. You don't do N.E.W.Ts in everything that you did O.W.L.s in you only take courses that you need for your future career. So students will drop about half,if not more, of what they studied to concentrate on what they need. In the UK system most schools only let students take 3 "N.E.W.T."s. In the magic world kids can take 5 because both Auror's and Healers need 5 N.E.W.T.s so I doubt that even Hermione can do more. That means no more History,Astronomy and Divination.

And Krut4 you, have a good theory about the Divination O.W.L. after all Seers are born not made. Dumbledore was going to do away with Divination Studies and he kept it just to keep Trelawney around after she made the prediction about Harry.

well, i think, with some dumbledore convincing, harry will get into snapes newt potion class, other then that, i think charms, transfiguration, defence against the dark arts, hermione will take...smart ones, and ron will take whatever harry takes. they will all include care of magical creatures to make hagrid happy.

I was just wondering. Hermione used the time turner in POA but is now taking the normal amount for the top of the class. Remember Percy. HE got 12 OWLs this is the max and if Hermione is taking the max too, wouldn't she have 12 classes. What were they and would she take 12 NEWTS?

Based on book 5 the chapter on OWLs, I basically deduced these NEWT(s) classes Harry going to get:

Subjects he take in book 6: DADA, Charms, Transfigurations, Potions, Care for Magical Creatures, Herbology

Based on book 1 - 5, I basically deduced these NEWTs classes Ron, Hermonie and Neville going to take:

Subjects Ron take in book 6: DADA, Charms, Transfigurations, Care for Magical Creatures, Herbology

Subjects Hermonie take in book 6: DADA, Charms, Transfigurations, Potions, Herbology, Arithmancy

Subject Neville take in book 6: DADA, Charms, Herbology, Transfiguration, Care for Magical Creatures

I predicted that Ron and Neville will drop off Potions. Even though if they perform reasonably well without Severus Snape supervising them in the OWL. As mentioned in the other thread, to get into Severus Snape NEWT potions class, a minimum of O grade is needed.

Basically, Harry wants to be an auror, so I think he will take the subjects McGonagall recommended to him and I presumed he will continue to take Care for magical creatures as he did not want to let Hagrid down. I presumed he will take Herbology just to be with the Ron.

Ron will drop off potions, but will basically take the same subjects as Harry.

Hermonie will drop off Care for Magical creatures because she isn't that outdoor type. She probably will keep Arithmancy as it seems that it is her favourite subject. Basically take the same as the rest for the remaining subjects.

Neville definitely will scrap off his potions, as he always cause mayhem in his potions class. He will definitely keep Herbology as it is one of his best subjects. Basically take the same subjects for the remaining slots.

We still have no idea how you get OWL scores, ie, what tests count as, how you get OWLs, etc. When we find that out, we can answer a lot of questions, but we will probably be finding this out when we find out what the trio made on OWLs and what classes they will be taking.

Harry's Classes
DADA
Transfiguration
Charms
Potions
Divination (for the following reason, but it could also be a drop)
--(although it seems kind of unnecessary, remember what Hermione said; now that we know prophecies can be real it would be pretty useful to Harry if he studied the art of divination a little more)
Care of Magical Creatures (not only for Hagrid)

Hermione's classes
everything she can take...and wants to

Ron's Classes
not divination that's for sure...other classes...im not sure

Harry's classes:
DADA
Transfiguration
Charms
Potions( ehh i know, but if he wants to be an Auror..)
Herbology ?
Care of Magical Creatures ?

I don't think he will continue in Divination because he did not do well on his exam.

Hermione will probably take everything she is able to take, and I'm not sure about Ron..

Harry will almost certainly take the subjects McGonagall told him to, however it will be intriguing to see how he gets to take potions as by his own admission he did not get an O. It wont really matter what Hermione takes as she'll get top grades, so she'll take as many as is physically possible. Ron will copy Harry and may even keep him company in potions although he may not have got the grade to take it.

Is there a minimum limit to how many NEWTs you have to take???

Harry will almost certainly take the subjects McGonagall told him to, however it will be intriguing to see how he gets to take potions as by his own admission he did not get an O. It wont really matter what Hermione takes as she'll get top grades, so she'll take as many as is physically possible. Ron will copy Harry and may even keep him company in potions although he may not have got the grade to take it.

Is there a minimum limit to how many NEWTs you have to take???

That won't really matter that he didn't get an O in potions if Snape is teaching a different class. ;)

I doubt Snape will be teaching another class or be moved so Harry can take Potions.

That rant aside...

I don't know if there is a minimum number of NEWT level classes. I want to say no because of some of the Slytherin Quidditch players (I think just 1) being described as really dumb and that theory that he was actually held back a year.

Don't forget History of Magic, Harry could drop that, and I don't think he even got half way through his exam, so I doubt he'd take it. But I think he'll be taking:

1. Potions
2. Herbology
3. Care of Magical Creatures
4. Transfiguration
5. Charms
6. Defense Against the Dar Arts

I completely agree with all of that. I have no doubt in my mind he'll be taking Potions. Story-wise I can't see him dropping CoMC coz it's his opportunity to see Hagrid etc. Herbology would be useful as an Auror wouldn't it? Much the same as potions and CoMC - it's good to know these things.... The other subjects are just obvious. Ohhh, I can't wait to find out how many OWLs he got!

I think Ron will take the same subjects as Harry (or would it be fairer to say they'll take the same subjects as each other?).

Hermione, everything she's doing now. I think she'll get all her OWLs.

I know this isn't directly related to the topic.....
If Percy got 12 OWLs, how did he get to every class? Hermione had to get a time turner! I don't think that they give it to just anyone.

Percy probably porved to McGonagall that he is worthy of her asking the ministry for one, the same way McGonagall was able to Hermione one.

I apologise for reiterating but if JKR continues to follow the British system nobody (other than Hermione of course) is going to be taking six NEWTS. Most British students do three A Levels and find that hard enough. (I speak from personal experience)

Just a thought - Since Harry is so good at DADA and Hermione most subjects they might take one or two a year early giving them more time in the final year.

To go onto A Levels here most schools require pupils to have five GCSEs (muggle OWLS) Any chance of Crabbe and Goyle being held back?

Crouch Jr in Goblet had received twelve O.w.l.s page 556 american "Yes, my son has recently gained twelve O.W.L.s most satisfactory." So i assume that it's the same for Percy and Hermione to get them the time turners easier for those in the ministry like Mr.Weasley and Crouch but Hermione prolly need a letter from Dumbledore with the add of McGonagall.

I apologise for reiterating but if JKR continues to follow the British system nobody (other than Hermione of course) is going to be taking six NEWTS. Most British students do three A Levels and find that hard enough. (I speak from personal experience)

Just a thought - Since Harry is so good at DADA and Hermione most subjects they might take one or two a year early giving them more time in the final year.

To go onto A Levels here most schools require pupils to have five GCSEs (muggle OWLS) Any chance of Crabbe and Goyle being held back?



Noone will be taking six NEWTs. Five? Maybe. But htat would be an exceptional case. I agree that 3 are plenty hard enough. A couple of my friends are doing four, and it's a nightmare of Hermione-style studying proportions. They need timeturners, I think. Come to think of it, I could use one myself...

Your point on Crabbe and Goyle is interesting... but I think they will continue. After all, Fred and George only got about three OWLs each, and they carried on. Of course, they then left, but anyway. :)

I hadn't thought about Gred and Feorge - a good point.

My point about Hermione though is that she is the 'brightest witch of her age,' incredibly hard working etc. so it's possible she'll do something exceptional in her NEWTS

I hadn't thought about Gred and Feorge - a good point.

My point about Hermione though is that she is the 'brightest witch of her age,' incredibly hard working etc. so it's possible she'll do something exceptional in her NEWTS

Probably so. As she is the smartest and always wants to extended her knowledge, she will be taking more classes than everyone else it is possible. Maybe she will get extra tutoring for advanced classes!

She already showed that she can do N.E.W.T.s level spells so i think she would get high grades on everything.

What is the maximum ammount of OWLs and NEWTs you can get? Don't you only get one per subject? How can Percy get 12? Not just how can he do 12 subjects but are there even 12 subjects to do?

Regarding the muggle equivalent the most I've known is ten GCSEs (OWLs) in a single sitting. But there are many more that can be taken (dozens of languages for example). Some seriously weird people continue taking one or two a years for decades. I don't know the maximum (It's probably in the Guiness Book of records) but I seem to recall people having more than forty. The same is true of A Levels (NEWTS)

A few people have been saying that even though Harry's result for Potions might only be an A or an E, Dumbledore or McGonagall will convince Snape to accept him into sixth year Potions anyway. Does this seem completely unfair to anyone else but me? Certainly Harry wants to be an Auror and he'll need Potions to do this, but lots of other students might want to pursue a career that needs certain subjects that they haven't done very well in - surely the rules won't be changed for all these students? So why should they be changed for Harry?

It's important that he learns a lot of defence magic and so forth for the future, but nobody has ever said that in order to defeat Voldemort, he needs to become an Auror. Therefore, I think it would be very wrong for any of the teachers to interfere with Snape's teaching practices in order to let Harry fulfill his career wish. Ok, I'm sounding a little too Snape-like here, but I just think that it would be unfair on all the other students.

Hopefully Harry will receive an O in Potions, by some utter fluke, which would clear up this whole great mess! :D

if he did get a O in potions i doubt that Snape would be happy, he edited Harry end edit thinks that he avoided a failing grade but sometimes we do a lot better than what we think. I would be disappointed in Dumbledore if he makes Snape take Harry with a low grade.

It's hard to decide which subjects he's going to drop. He could well carry them all on. But if he drops any it's going to be Divination or Potions. Although he does need Potions to become an Auror. He won't drop Care of Magical Creatures because it's Hagrids class.

if he did get a O in potions i doubt that Snape would be happy, he edited Harry end edit thinks that he avoided a failing grade but sometimes we do a lot better than what we think. I would be disappointed in Dumbledore if he makes Snape take Harry with a low grade.
Someone mentioned, in this thread or another, that Harry seemed to be about as competent as Draco when it came to Potions. I have to agree, and I think they'll get the same grade on their Potions O.W.L.

Now, Lucius Malfoy will definitely want his son to take NEWT-level Potions with Snape, and he already has a history of buying his son's way in school. I have no doubt he'll try to do the same with Draco and Potions. That might be Harry's out--Dumbledore will insist (and McGonagall will back him up) that if Snape takes Draco as a student, he must take Harry as well. Or better yet, that Snape must take any student that scores as well or better than Draco scored.

This scenario would not disappoint me, since it would result only in Harry being treated fairly. Plus, it would really tick off Snape, and he's at his most interesting when he's most ticked off. Plus, it would mean that Lucius Malfoy effectively bought Harry's way into NEWT level potions, and that would make both Lucius and Draco angry. Too much fun!

I 10000000% think Harry is going to have to take Potions; It's the enivitable.*spelling is beyond me right now*

Here are the classes I think Harry will have to take

~Care of Magical Creatures
~Defense Against the Dark Arts *that's a definite, he even thought he got an 'Outstanding'
~Charms
~POTIONS
~Transfiguration
~Herbology

I think he's going to drop Divination and History of Magic, he normally doesn't pay attention in either class, and he didn't finish his HoM O.W.L. He may take Astronomy, but I doubt it because he didn't even get half way through his star chart due to the McGonagoll and Umbridge incident.

Here's what I think:

**-indicates classes that they will most likely not want/be able to take

Harry's Classes
Hary is a good student in my opinion maybe not as good as Hermione but he definaty knows what he's doing.
-DADA (hopefully they'll have a decent teacher they need to learn a lot after Umbridge, and Lockhart made them waste two years of their DADA education)
-Transfiguration (I'm sure Harry did good in this O.W.L. besides he has a heritage of outstanding transfiguration talent- his father :p)
-Charms (Harry did very well in this O.W.L. and once again has heritage of great charms works- his mom :))
-Herbology (Harry seems to do fairly well in this subject)
-CoMC (Harry definatly did well in this O.W.L. besides he enjoys the subject and it is essentail for meeting possible means of transportaion- buckbeak, the thestrals, who knows what he will ride next)
-Potions (regardless of what Snape says Harry makes pretty good potions when he wants to and when he doesn't have Snape and Malfoy bothering him constantly)
-Astronomy (Harry doesn't seem like he is bad at this subject he probably got a decent grade on this exam put if it hadn't been for Umbridge's distraction I'm sure he would have done a lot better)
-**Divination** Harry didn't do well in this exam so he might not be able to take the class and even if he did manage to pass I doubt he would want to.
-***History of Magic***This was probably Harry's worse test, he didn't even have time to finish it and he only answered a few questions. He will definatly not get and O.W.L for this one I'm quite sure.

Hermione's Classes

Knowing Hermione for the genius that she is I wouldn't be susprised if they made another qualification just for her: IP- for Impossibly perfect or something. Well she will take as many subjects as she can I'm sure of that, even if they are boring.

-Charms (probably her best subject along with transfiguration but then again its hard to decide because she good at everything)
-Transfiguration
-DADA
-Potions
-Herbology
-History of Magic (definatly something she'll need if she wants to take SPEW further)
-CoMC (Hary and Ron will probably persuade her to take it anyways)
-Astronomy
-Aritmancy
-Ancient Runes

Ron's Classes

Besides what Harry said in OotP Ron is the worse acadmically out of the three. He might not be a total mess like Neville but Harry certainly outranks him considerably. Whenever Hermione checks thier homework Ron's always has more mistakes and Ron asks Hermione for help a whole lot more than Harry does. Even though Ron is the Prefect (which in my opinion he didn't deserve, but o well good for him) he will probably get the least amount of OWL's out of the trio, or at least he should if not then JK Rowling is just contradicting what she says in her books.

-DADA (The DA meetings definatly helped him there)
-CoMC (Ron seems to do fairly well in that subject)
-*Potions (maybe)
-*Charms (He didn't do very well on that test but with a liltle luck he might have scraped an A)
-**Transfiguration (Ron has never demostrated much ability in this are but once again he might have scraped and A with a bit of luck)
I can't really think of anything else Ron would be able to take.

Also I've been wondering how they count the toatal number of OWLs because I know that Percy and Bill got 12 but to have a regular schedule you can only have like 10 classes (we know that because Hermione in her 3rd year took all the classes, a total of 12 and had to have a time turner and all that stuff. So unlesss both Bill and Percy did that, which I doubt, I don't see how a person can get 12 OWLs, unless outstanding count as more than one, or an A is like 1/2 and OWL or something. Does anyone know??

I think Harry will take, Defense Against the Dark Arts, Transfiguration, Charms, Potions, Care of Magical Creatures, Herbology (maybe), Divination. Hagrid would be really dissapointed if Harry didnt take Care of Magical Creatures :)

Yeah that's a good point made about the number of OWLs and their value.

I expect Harry will pass all his subjects. I wonder whether Dumbledore will overlook any poor results because of the whole Department of Mysteries incident. At the end of the day, Snape is right that Harry gets away with a lot! He must have failed a couple of OWLs (Divination, History of Magic). JKR is hardly likely to give Harry poor exam results is she!

Anyway I presume that if he wants to be an Auror he'll find himself taking Potions at NEWT level. How many NEWTs do students take?

I've been triing to figure out the total O.W.L. thing also. Bill, Percy and Barty Crouch Jr got 12 and here is what I came up with certain classes have 2 test a practical and a written. Transfiguration, Charms, Potions, and DADA all have 2. Now Divination, CoMC, Herboligy, Astronomy, HoM all have one test. Now this equals 13(this is Harry's classes up to this point Hermoine would have 1 more) OWL's and JKR said she thought 12 was the most you could get but she was not sure. Bill, Percey and Barty got 12 and everyone thought this was outstanding. They probably took Divination and failed because their not seers and they probably did not care because they got O's on the rest of their test. My theory anyways.

Now to the point of the Tread.

Harry Written / Practical / Total if to Tests
Charms E / O / O
Transfiguration A / E / E
DADA O / O / O
CoMC O
Herboligy E
Astronomy A
Divination P
HoM D
Potions I think depends on who teachs DADA in the 6th book. If a new teacher is the DADA teacher then he will get E/O/O to get into the class so we can still get the whole Snape Harry conflict. If Snape is the new DADA then Harry will get an E and the new teacher will take him because we will need an interaction between Harry and that teacher.

Hermoine al O's (like she would actually get less unless it's in Astronomy or HoM because of distraction)

Ron will get in every class Harrys plus astronomy

Malfoy will get O's in his classes except charms but he still got in the class.
Crabbe and Goyle will be lucky to pass have their OWls and will leave Malfoy a little less cocky with out them around. They will take CoMC just to torcher the Trio and Hagrid.

well their is my 2 knuts

Malfoy will get O's in his classes except charms but he still got in the class.
I'm curious as to why you say this. Draco seems to me to be a pretty good student, but not brilliant.

Personally I'd like to see Harry take a class that he's NEVER taken before.. Maybe Ancient Runes, Arithmancy, etc.. Something with a new teacher that's BEEN at Hogwarts, but we've never got detail on the professor.

1. Transfiguration, definately! An Auror needs to be educated in transforming objects back to their original state.

2. Charms, charms are what witches/wizards use in their everyday life, so it'd be imperitive for Harry to know more advanced charms to use them in his career as an Auror.

3. Potions, I think JKR needs a reason for us to continue to see Snape. There's A LOT more we need to learn about him, why Dumbledore trusts him, details on exactly what he is doing for the Order, etc.. He's a very interesting and manipulative character, with a lot of depth that we have yet to see. Plus it's a requirement for being an Auror :X I think Harry will really want to drop this subject, but McGonagall, or someone, will advise him not to.

4. I was going to say Care Of Magical Creatures here.. BUT.. Caring for Magical Creatures really doesn't have potentiel in being an Auror. Harry might be torn as to what to take in sixth year, because he doesn't want to hurt Hagrid's feelings, and he still wants to see PLENTY of Hagrid, but it won't help him in his future (if he has one :huh: ).. So I'd say either Herbology, but I don't think that's required for being an Auror, or a whole new subject like Ancient Runes or Arithmancy, or another subject Harry hasn't even known about or something? Or that WE don't know about ;)

5. Defense Against The Dark Arts! He has to take this one, and it's so easy for him.. I hope we get a GREAT new DADA teacher in the next books, Umbridge was so terrible :/ She made me want to just RIP up the book with the antics she pulled.. >:/

If Harry DOES become an Auror, wouldn't you hate fighting him? It's like, "Yeah I can totally beat this kid, Harry Potter, I mean.. he's only kicked Voldemort out of existance and Voldemort's downfall.." (that is to say.. Harry lives and Voldemort dies..)

The reason I think Draco will get O's in everything is the only classes we see him in is CoMC and Potions and he does well in potions and does not really try in CoMC beause he hates Hagrid and Harry and does not pay attention. I may be wrong on CoMC he probably won't get an O but he will still and torment Hagrid for 2 more years. As far as we know he could be a very bright wizard are only real knowledge of his grades comes from CoS when his father is upset he was betten buy a Mudblood, but Hermonine bets everyone in classes. He probably gets top marks in everything. His Charms O.W.L. he broke what ever he was levitating which probably cost him a bit since you learn that in 1st year and it's a fairly basic spell.

Harry:
1)DADA
2)Transfiguration
3)Potions
4)Charms
5)History of Magic - I don't know why exactly, but I think as an Auror you'd have to know the history of magical law and rules, etc.

How many characters have we met who have earned 12 OWLs? Two I can recall off the top of my head are Percy Weasley and Barty Crouch, Jr. Have either been shown to have intelligence or magic skills greater than Harry, Ron or Hermione? I don't think so, and I'm inclined to think that they will get passing marks on all exams (not necessarily high passing marks).

As for which NEWT subjects will be taken, I can't see Divination given up for several reasons. First, JKR has used the Divination class as the place where Harry actually learns things about his future, although not from the methods he is being taught. I believe the irony involved amuses JKR, and I can't see her abandoning it. Second, the addition of Firenze to the faculty needs fleshing out, and it is hard to imagine JKR doing that without good cause for interaction between Firenze and Harry.

Just as an aside, why aren't there OWLs for Occlumency or Legilmency? Are these NEWT level studies only? If so, why no faculty members for these subjects (although we know Snape and Dumbledore have these skills)?

remember- in OoTP, hermione was doing N.E.W.T. worksheets

i dont think Occlumency and Legilmency are even taught at Hogwarts.

Hermione was doing NEWT worksheets? I don't remember this...

Occ. and Leg. aren't taught at Hogwarts. It seems to be a skill that a witch or wizard would study after they left Hogwarts.

It's nice that everyone is predicting the classes that Harry and friends will have next year, but I am more concerned with how well they do. Any ideas on grades especailly potions(An outstanding for Harry? Really now...)

Noone will be taking six NEWTs. Five? Maybe. But htat would be an exceptional case. I agree that 3 are plenty hard enough. A couple of my friends are doing four, and it's a nightmare of Hermione-style studying proportions.








You must be able to take up to five N.E.W.T.s because Healers and Aurors require five N.E.W.T.s.

Both of them have four in common DADA,Transfiguration,Potions,Charms. Healers also need Herbology, we know this from Ron reading them out from the Healers pamphlet.

Prof. McGonagall tells Harry about the Aurors requirements, reading from the Auror pamphlet. She never get to the fifth one because of Umbridge's interruption. So the fifth requirement is unknown. Maybe it is an elective? We won't know until HBP comes out.

Hermione was doing NEWT worksheets? I don't remember this...I don't remember that either.

I remember Hermione doing OWL practice papers in GoF, and the Protean Charm in OotP is NEWT standard.

How many characters have we met who have earned 12 OWLs? Two I can recall off the top of my head are Percy Weasley and Barty Crouch, Jr. Have either been shown to have intelligence or magic skills greater than Harry, Ron or Hermione?We haven't seen Percy do enough magic to judge that. Crouch Jnr was certainly a skilled wizard: he can do all the Unforgiveable Curses, make a portkey (which the Order's Advance Guard didn't want to do), and do complete human transfiguration (Malfoy the bouncing ferret).

Can I just pass on a bit of information that might enlighten some of the Americans and other non-Brits?
There are more than one education system in the UK. In England students take 8+ GCSEs and up to 3 A-Levels.
In Scotland (where JKR wrote/writes the books) students take 8 Standard Grades (like OWLs) when the are aged 15 and 5 Highers (like NEWTs) when aged 16 or 17. For university subjects such as Medicine (like Healing) students require top grades in at least 5 highers.
If Hogwarts NEWT system is roughly based on the Scottish education system, then it would be perfectly normal for students to take 5 NEWTs.

I don't think Harry would give up Care of Magical Creatures. Hagrid would be very sad if he did.

I don't think Hagrid would mind Harry giving it up. Harry's at a point in his educational career now where he can't afford to take classes he dosen't need just because the teacher's his friend. Hagrid must understand the importance of all Harry's other classes. Besides, who's to say Hagrid will remain a teacher in the sixth book? If the Malfoys get their way and the rest of the school continues to complain, you never know where he'll end up.

How many characters have we met who have earned 12 OWLs? Two I can recall off the top of my head are Percy Weasley and Barty Crouch, Jr. Have either been shown to have intelligence or magic skills greater than Harry, Ron or Hermione? I don't think so, and I'm inclined to think that they will get passing marks on all exams (not necessarily high passing marks).

just because u get good exam results doesnt mean u are necessarily really clever, it just means u worked like a dog and knew all the hoops to jump through in the exams. u see this a lot in especially CGSEs now. i didnt appreciate how easy they were until i started A-levels! lol :D

When harry was in the ministry for his hearing in OotP, the elevator said that level six was the department for magical transportation...including the apparation Test Centre, but nowhere in the five books do they mention anything about training for the apparation test. Maybe it's like umbridge' ministry approved DaDA lessons. Theory only and then you have to take the test without practising first. (Didn't it say in GoF that Charlie missed his first attempt by apparating on an old lady)
Or it could be a sort of "driver's ed" thing... where after you turn a certain age you take a class outside of school (or your parents teach you) and then you go take the "wizard certified test) or something like that. You can practice... but just like with driving you have to meet the age requirement first.

Does anyone think it really likely that Snape will allow a student in his classes that has not passed his requirement of an O on the OWLs? I don't.

1) He doesn't tolerate "dunderheads" in his low level classes. NEWT classes are probably his haven, ones in which cauldrons don't explode all over everyone. He can just enjoy teaching the finer points of potions-making, having his best students improve their work to perfection. The subject matter is probably extremely strenuous. A kid who didn't get an O at the OWL level would probably flunk his class, unable to keep up with the essays and difficult potions. That's probably why McGonagall sets the bar at "E"; if you can't get an "E," you know you don't have what it takes to continue. The subject is now officially beyond your grasp.

2) The potions could be dangerous if made improperly. Before, accidents in class meant boils and nasty illnesses. At the high level, they could be deadly. The deadly accidents might also be much smaller-- instead of throwing in wrong ingredients, it might all depend on timing, perfect chopping, freshness of ingredients, or whatever. Mistakes that usually meant a potion is the wrong color or thickness now mean poison, deadly gas or complete failure. So, putting an incompetent student in class would not only annoy Snape, but endanger all of the other students.

3) Harry *wants* to be an Auror, but he doesn't *have* to be an Auror in the grand scheme of things (from the perspective of the characters in his universe). Dumbledore influenced Snape to teach Harry Occlumency to prevent Harry from being taken over by Lord Voldemort and lured to his death. Not because he thought Harry would think Occlumency was cool, or because Harry wanted to take it. Harry needed it. Now, McGonagall will do everything in her power to get Harry to be an Auror. She'll try to pull strings, but exactly what strings does Snape have that McGonagall can pull? She's not his employer, she's his rival (in the House competition). I could see it working if and only if McGonagall agreed to do some favor in return for Snape, such as relaxing her rule to let a Slytherin who got an A into her NEWT class. But Snape hates Harry so much, he might not even bother.

4) Letting Harry in that class if he gets under an O is unfair to every other kid who wanted a career requiring an NEWT in potions, but who wasn't able to get in because of his low OWL. I love Harry, but it wouldn't be right to show him that level of favoritism.

Now, we all want to see Harry in the NEWT potions class so he can be an Auror and fulfill his dream and we enjoy Snape as a teacher. I think it's to early to hope that Snape can get the DADA position. I think he'll get that in book 7 at the earliest. So, Harry has to get an O to get in that class. He will die of shock when he sees his score! That is Voldy's secret plan of triumph.

Maybe Snape sets such high expectations in general that the kids tend to do better on the potions OWLS than they expect. It might be possible for him to take the NEWT without having taken the class, in which case Hermione might tutor him. That would be really crazy though.

To give Harry some hope, I doubt that after defeating the Dark Lord Harry will be rejected from Auror school, NEWTs or no NEWTs. He's been doing Auror stuff throughout the entire series!

-Dr. Dementor

Harry might just get an O in Potions, though. He probably did so much better than he usually does, because Snape isn't breathing down his neck the whole time. I wouldn't be disappointed if he got an E or an A though.

Hermione could barely get an O before the O.W.L.s in Snape's class. She had about an A towards the middle of the year and was complaining, so she probably got an O without Snape there during testing.

I'm also assuming that Draco expected Professor Marchbanks to let him slide through everything with out even trying. Like he said, 'It's not what you know, it's who you know.'(Same way with getting in to Norte Dame University, from what I've heard through relatives)I think he probably tried to get by with that kind of excuse.

Snape probably gives Draco an O just for showing up, lol. I'm one to assume that he buys his way through Snapes class, or something or other.

I dont think Harry can get an O. It wouldnt be right. He came out of the exam saying he hadnt got an O and I know he may have underestimated but I dont think he will. I think he'll get the next down from O and hell be given a chance to do the potions NEWT anyway

Various statements in the books, such as Flitwick usually gets almost all his students through OWLS Ok, make me believe Hogwarts students do better than others of lesser schools. Some professors instill confidence, others raise the threat of ignoble failure. Snape is in the latter category. Harry should get extra credit for his understanding of polyjuice potions, and if his potion did the job it was supposed to, he could surprise.
As others have said, a new potions master is a possibility, but it is possible not enough "O" grades were scored to make a class.
As to the Astronomy OWL, allowances must be made. They can hardly fail the entire year...

I don't think Harry will get an O in Potions, but he'll definitely get an O in DADA. Dumbledore might arrange it so that Harry ends up in NEWT Potions anyway. Snape and Harry are obviously not going to like it, but Dumbledore may force them into it, in hope that they will mend things slightly, but to no avail. Just my thoughts...

I think he's grades (including Potions) all depend on which of two major directions JKR is going to take Harry down. There's one that gives him things to hope for or to look toward. This gives him a future. In that case, he would get all the OWLs needed to take the classes that will lead him down the path of becoming an Auror. The other direction is taking everything away from Harry, as the last book began doing. He would then get low grades or grades just not up-to-par.
Before he came to Hogwarts, he had nothing. He didn't have friends, money(I know...its not the most important thing in the world, but come on), a real home, fame, or anything to make him feel proud, "I'm just Harry". Then he gets friends, money, a home, fame, and things to be proud of like being a seeker and being a great wizard(for his age...and now maybe for any age). Then, in this last book he gets his godfather taken from him, he gets kicked of the team, and he didn't become prefect (I know he didn't even think about becoming one, but you know the idea was in the back of his mind...or at least all of our's). Now he wants to be an Auror...well maybe that gets taken from him too. technically he could put that blame on who he is and really even on Voldemort. This could lead to a series of events like losing his friends or thinking he lost his friends...like (I don't know) if Ron and Hermione start dating it could make Harry feel seperated from them. And there is that slim chance that he won't be captain(Ron and the mirror of Esired) or even seeker (he did hit another student).

As for Harry's O in potions...The Harry-Snape dynamic is far too important to the books for Harry not to be in that class. The only reason I can think of that he wouldn't be in NEWT potions is if Snape is made DADA teacher (i don't think this will happen). So, either Harry gets an O because Snape is extremely tough on his students and they are very well prepared or he doesn't get an O and Harry's in his class anyway (either through McGonnagall or Dumbledore's intervention).

I can also think of a reason that Harry will be in CoMC other than his friendship with Hagrid. Hasn't it been said in the books that Voldemort has other allies besides wizards. I would think a strong knowledge of all the magical creatures out there would be beneficial to someone who might have to face some of them. Also, a strong knowledge of these creatures would help Harry to use them against Voldemort.

look ive been wondering abt the extra point harry got for his patronus in the DADA practicals
does it have any importance? i mean it would be just the sort of luck that jk/dumbledore feel harry needs and just the sort of 'in by a technicality' thing that will set snape's teeth on edge....well more on edge than iit already is i mean
i dont know how the DADA point can transfer to potions but maybe the overall score or something?
i mean its got to come in handy somehow....

Can I just make a point? McGonagall is also Deputy head. This could mean anything on Harry's front, but going by her promise she'd at least try and pull strings.

Hermione - Straight O s (well, certainly Charms, she did get 112%)

Harry - O s in:
DADA
Herbology (Dosen't Lockhart point out something about making a mandrake draught in 2, Harry'll keep Herbology)
Transfiguration ( :huh: )
CoMC
Charms (Summoning, Patronus'll help him there)
A's in:
Astromony (incl. the disruption)
Divination (fluke I know but hey)

And, I can't actually remember the rest.... :rotfl:

My theory:

Ok, Snape won't take anybody but the best. So... maybe... Snape will get the DADA job (cause, no MATTER WHAT, Harry HAS to have Snape as a teacher) With Snape as DADA teacher, (and he'll still only take the best) Harry is GREAT at it, so he'll probably pass with flying colors, much to Snape's dismay. And with a new Potions master, the new teacher may take students with a lower grade. So, this way Harry can still be an auror.

Either that, or he got great marks on everything. He did better than what he thought he did. That sometimes happens to me and my test, I alwasy seem to get either NOTHING wrong or a good A.

Here's what I think:

1. DADA- O
2. Care of Magical Creatures- O
3. Charms- O
4. Herbology- O
5. Transfiguration- E
6. Astronomy- E
7. Potions- A
8. Divination- P
9. History of Magic- P

Harry will take NEWTS in the classes required for Auror training. Even Potions, because I don't think Snape will be teaching it in sixth year. Harry will probably also take the NEWT for Care of Magical Creatures, because he's friends with Hagrid.

Here's what I think:

1. DADA- O
2. Care of Magical Creatures- O
3. Charms- O
4. Herbology- O
5. Transfiguration- E
6. Astronomy- E
7. Potions- A
8. Divination- P
9. History of Magic- P



I don't agree how you gave harry a p in history of magic when he got plenty of answers correct in that part. He probably got an e in potions so he can take the class. For astronomy he probably got an a or a p. He is equal in charms and transfiguration so I would think he got an o in charms. Never mind he probably got an e in transiguration. THis is what I give him.

1.DADA = O
2.Care of Magical Creatures = O
3.Charms = O
4.Herbology = O
5.Transfiguration = E
6.Potion = E
7.History of magic = E
8.Astronamy = A
9.Divination = P

1.DADA = O
2.Care of Magical Creatures = O
3.Charms = O
4.Herbology = O
5.Transfiguration = E
6.Potion = A
7.History of magic = E
8.Astronamy = A
9.Divination = A

Harry will take: Whatever it takes to become an Auror
Ron will take: Whatever HArry takes
Hermione will take: Almost everything :p

I'm just doing A-levels in physics, chemistry, maths and further maths. Much of the physics and chemistry is covered in the 1st year of University in the USA (we use some of the textbooks), and further maths allows people going to British Universities to skip the first year in a maths degree course, since all the maths has been covered (in the UK you only study subjects related strictly to your degree area). It's very different to the USA where you're studies are very general all through school and into University. I'm not saying anything against the USA, I'm just pointing out the differences, here.



I know the original post was a few months ago and this is slightly off topic, but:

Doing further maths won't allow you to skip the first year of a maths degree at any (decent) British university. A year of degree maths is a lot more than a single A-level and includes new topics not covered at A-level, like pure maths. Further maths (and additional further maths) A-levels help for some of the courses in the first year, but are no substitute.

What subjects will Harry take in the sixth year? Predict it. Assuming that Harry would have to take 5 subjects because to be an Auror, you need to have at least 5 NEWTS.

1) DADA - Defintely a subject Harry will take.

2) Divination - Harry hates the subject but at the end of book 5, it is mentioned that Frienze and Trelawney will be teaching the subject together so Harry got to take it.

3) Potions - No one can miss Snape's lessons

4) Transfiguration - Seems pretty important.

5) Charms - Very useful subject. And a must for Auror.


There's no possible way that Harry could take potions in his sixth year. I specifically remember McGonagal telling Harry that to be an auror, potions was important, and that Snape only takes students with an "Outstanding" in his class past fifth year. I doubt that Harry recieved top marks in his potion exams that year (or any year). But DADA is a definate YES!

There might be new classes that students can take once they get up to NEWT level

Occlumency/Legilmency would be very interesting to learn for an Auror.

harry
Care Magical creatures
DADA
Charms
Transfiguration
potions

ron
charms
dada
transfiguration
Divintion
care magical creatures
hermione
charms
potions
transfiguration
dada
who knows what else.

neville
herbology
dada
charms
transfiguration
not sure

Personally...I think it will be pretty straight forward

Harry and Ron
DADA
Transfiguration
Charms
Potions
Herbology
Care of Magical Creatures

Hermione
same as above
except:
Ancient Runes
Arithmancy

harry
Care Magical creatures
DADA
Charms
Transfiguration
potions

ron
charms
dada
transfiguration
Divintion
care magical creatures

hermione
charms
potions
transfiguration
dada
who knows what else.

I'm just curious on your opinion. So you think that Harry and Hermione will get into Potions, while Ron does not? Also, that Ron will continue Divination even if Harry is not in the class. I was just wondering why you thought this? Any particular reason?

I think personally that harry and ron will pick similar subjects, as they have in previous books, and that harry will probably give up history of magic and astronomy.

I must start off with agreeing with everyone who has given voice to the theory that Snape will finally be given the DADA post. It makes sense if you consider that Harry will more than likely NOT recieve an O on his O.W.L Potions exam. And being that Snape is a vital character in the story, it is a simple solution to our wondering. What better way to keep him continually in the limelight than to have him as teacher of the subject Harry is most proficient at?

Also, I do not think that Harry will drop his Care of Magical Creatures class. Hagrid is an important focal point in the stories, not to mention one of Harry's most trusted friends. He has been at Harry's side since the beginning of PS, so it wouldn't make sense that Harry would suddenly disregard both his and Hagrid's feelings in favor of his "future". Harry isn't the kind of person to do such a thing. All evidence has pointed to a self-sacrificing nature, not a ruthless shove-other-people's-feelings-aside-in-favor-of-his-own nature.

no, i dont think snape will get the DADA job- the tension it creates is important to the story and snape's personality. jk's said it herself, dumbledore doesnt want to give snape the job cuz he's afraid it might tickle snape the wrong way(im yet to come up with a reasonable explaination of this sentence) so dumbledore is happy letting snape stew(pun intended!) and teach potions. he seems to be quite the extraordinary potion maker. it'd be a pity to lose someone like that....
im sure jk'll come up with some way of keeping snape in harry's life. i can see occlumency as being the option- it should be double the fun of a potions class, snape and harry, alone, especially after the events of ootp......

If Dumbledore hasn't given Snape the DADA job for the umpteenth year he's asked for it, why would he now?

Somehow Harry has to be in Snape's class; it's too much a part of the story for them to not be together. I'm all for McGonagall twisting Snape's arm, making Harry be in NEWT Potions even though he didn't get an O (I can see him getting an A) and making Snape hate Harry that much more.

Shauna

As many people have said the Harry/Snape dynamic must still be there in the 6th book, since we apparently learn more about Snape, and because of this we're all imagining him being in the class. I have no idea whether he'll get an O. I could see an E, but an O might be pushing it. The thing about getting McGonnagall to twist Snape's arm is that everyone thought Harry did remedial potions last year. Won't it look a little fishy if he ends up in Snape's class?

I really don't know where I stand on this, there's pretty good argument for every theory, really. But I am pretty sure that somehow there's still going to be a lot of Harry and Snape interaction next year.

I don't agree how you gave harry a p in history of magic when he got plenty of answers correct in that part.

He got answers correct, but they weren't very detailed, by his own admission, and he missed answering a lot of questions completely. I won't type all of it out, it's too long, but it's on p639 in the UK hardback in the chapter "OWLs".

However, briefly, he starts by saying "He was finding it difficult to remember names and kept confusing dates." He skips 4, has "a stab" at 5, but "had a nagging suspicion that he had missed several important points." He then skips ahead to question 10, without answering any in-between. He says about his answer "It did not seem very informative or detailed, yet he was sure that Hermione's notes ... had gone on for pages and pages." And that's as far as he gets before falling asleep. I think he got a D.

And now for something completely different.

Doing further maths won't allow you to skip the first year of a maths degree at any (decent) British university. A year of degree maths is a lot more than a single A-level and includes new topics not covered at A-level, like pure maths. Further maths (and additional further maths) A-levels help for some of the courses in the first year, but are no substitute.

I was slightly misinformed about the whole maths degree thing. If you do further maths you can skip the first year of a physics course, but that's in Scotland and because, as someone mentioned earlier, the system's slightly different (closer to the American one). However further maths still helps to lighten the load in a maths degree in first year. Sorry for any confusion caused.

Oh the OWL results I can't wait. I don't think Harry will have DADA with snape. It has to be someone new. Snape would be put in too predarious a situation. If he is seeing VM then he is teaching kids to defend themselves against him "master" and the uses VM could expect of Snape in that situation could be bad for snape's spying position. No I can't see Dumbledore doing that. Which means either Harry somehow got an O in potions or that there will e a lot of time away from school for Harry and snape to interact. Or at least OCC/LEG classes or something away from other classes.

These are the classes for which Harry, Ron and Hermione sat for OWLs:
Required Subjects:
Potions
Herbology
Astronomy
Charms
Defense Against the Dark Arts
Transfiguration
History of Magic (we didn't see it, and I have difficulty imagining one, how do they do the Practical for this subject?)

Elected Subjects:
Care of Magical Creatures

Harry and Ron also had:
Divination
Did I miss any?
Hermione also had:
Ancient Runes
Arithmancy

I am going to assume (a very dangerous thing to do in JKR's world), that there is no practical for History of Magic. That means there is a total of 13 OWLs for the required subjects. Harry and Ron had a shot at 4 more for elected subjects and Hermione 6 (could have been 10 if she kept Muggle Studies and Divination). Gives Ron and Harry a max of 17 and Hermy 19. [Can't imagine there are more classes at OWL level, or Hermione would have been signed up as she "signed up for all", so if someone could manage to take all the classes there would be 23 OWLs for a max. Ron's joke about Tom Riddle getting 30 was quite an exaggeration.] It makes me wonder why getting 12 OWLs is such a big deal if you get one for each passing grade. Fred and George really bombed, didn't they? 12 out of 17 is only 70%, certainly not such a great thing.
I predict Harry gets 9, Ron gets 7 and Hermione gets 19 (and a special award as well).
Of course, we can't be sure they get an OWL for each passing grade, maybe only for E and O.
What do you think?

You can only get 12 and that is if you take all of the classes the school offers. You don't get a seperate OWL for the written and the practical tests-they are both combined into one and they average the score from there. I believe that JKR confirmed somewhere that 12 is the highest number of OWLs you can get....

Hermione will probably get an OWL in all of her subjects but I don't know about ron adn harry.

think you are looking for this OWL results & classes everyone will take (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=12558&highlight=result%2A)

think you are looking for this OWL results & classes everyone will take (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=12558&highlight=result%2A)

When I searched for OWLs, this did not show up at all! Using the word "results" turns up a lot of personal discussions in the Leaky Cauldron.
If there is only one OWL (combined score) for each class, how can anyone get 12? Does this mean many other students have been given Time Turners to take all 12 classes offered? Wow!

Actually this thread is not concerned with what courses they will take next year, only how many OWLs they will receive in HBP.

Can you help find the link to JKR saying 12 is the max?

Well i think it was in the book Couch Jr and Percy getting all 12, yeah it took me several tries to, dont know how i finally got it but i knew there was one, their was Harry's owl thread in results

Im sure there are other ways to take 12 classes without using a time turner. Self taught, or private tutors are examples.

I imagine Hermione was given the time turner because shes the very embodiment of responsibility. I cant imagine it being a commmon practice to hand out such dangerous devices to students aged what, 13?

yeah I think that you can only get one OWL for each class, but what I'm curious is what grade you have to get in each class to be considered an OWL. By the way I think Hermione will get 10 ( in every subject she's taking), Harry 7 and Ron, 7 ( both missing 2)