Romantic moments & that scene in Deathly Hallows

Ron seemed to have been getting increasingly jealous of Harry/Hermione since his splinching (good acting by RG, I thought). I don't see that destroying the horcrux would in itself have removed his insecurities which is why I'd have liked the line about Harry seeing Hermione as a sister to have been left in. I think that would have helped the non-reader to get the relationships a bit clearer which in my opinion had got a bit confused by then.
There are still a few reasons I don't agree. First, why do his insecurities necessarily need to be removed by way of such an inelegant bit of dialogue? That this occurred in a certain way at a certain point in the book matters less than how the movies have and will develop the relationship. Then, as I have expressed several times I think, I don't think it would have been helpful or necessary for Harry to say such a thing after what had just transpired. Also, I don't think non-readers would really be that confused if they've seen the entire film or previous films. Finally, I think "she's like a sister to me" is just... bad writing.

It may not be typical of 16 year old boys (and I bow to wandrider's knowledge in this) but I think it would have helped the movie.
But helped the movie to do what? I think what was important in the locket scene was that Ron had returned of his own volition (and rather heroically) to aid Harry. If a tired cliché about his romantic troubles were inserted simply because it was in the book, I feel that may have done more harm than good. That is to say, perhaps the filmmakers intended to develop the idea that Ron will have to consider himself worthy of Hermione before he can really relax about it. If we the viewers are really supposed to consider the emotions in play, Ron's confidence in himself needs to win the day, not a feeble attempt by Harry's to pacify him. I saw that scene as suggesting an understanding between the two men, one which obviates any need for patronizing comments or for waxing poetic about latent fears.

But helped the movie to do what? I think what was important in the locket scene was that Ron had returned of his own volition (and rather heroically) to aid Harry. If a tired cliché about his romantic troubles were inserted simply because it was in the book, I feel that may have done more harm than good. That is to say, perhaps the filmmakers intended to develop the idea that Ron will have to consider himself worthy of Hermione before he can really relax about it. If we the viewers are really supposed to consider the emotions in play, Ron's confidence in himself needs to win the day, not a feeble attempt by Harry's to pacify him. I saw that scene as suggesting an understanding between the two men, one which obviates any need for patronizing comments or for waxing poetic about latent fears.


This is the best argument I've seen for why this dialogue was left out. I really like the bolded point, but for me, this scene was not so much about what Ron needed to hear as it was Harry acknowledging what his friend was feeling. While Harry seemed pretty aware of Ron's developing feelings for Hermione from the 4th book on, I don't think he ever had a clue before DH that Ron thought Hermione preferred him in that way. In the book, you could argue he's made aware of those long-standing concerns when Ron says "you choose him" before exiting the tent. BUT in the movies he says that ridiculous line about having seen Harry and Hermione the other night, which made Ron's fears seem like something that just recently developed while they were camping. "You choose him" showed a long lingering fear of Ron's that she would prefer Harry to him in the end.

But back to my original point! I think some acknowledgment by Harry of Ron's fears was necessary there more for Harry's character than Ron's. "She cried for weeks after you left" would have been sufficient. They don't even have to throw in sister line. I just feel like there should be SOMETHING there from Harry to comfort his friend who has just been through a pretty significant emotional trauma. Ron is collapsed on his knees and while the book describes him as being a bit more distraught, Rupert does do an adequate job of looking emotionally drained. Some words of comfort, since we didn't get the hug, would have been nice. As it stands that scene ends not with a nice moment of friendship between the two, but with a lame joke that fell flat (nobody in my midnight showing laughed).

In DH Part1 it's made to look like Ron was jealous and feeling left out and got angry, but in the book (correct me if I'm wrong) their fight had nothing to do with Hermione or jealousy.

In the last book Harry and Ron argue over Harry's relationship with Ginny a few times, but I don't remember ever believing Ron thought there might be something between Harry and Hermione untill he went to destroy the locket.

Love in many forms is what helps Harry do what he has to do, but the movies have lost focus on that. The movies show glimpses, but not enough. I would have loved to see Harry falling in love on screen. I enjoyed the parts in the books that showed how protective Harry and Ginny became of one another. Harry's relationship with Lupin would also have been nice to have seen more of on screen(ex. Lupin coming to Harry when he panics over being a family man, their argument, and later apology).

Can't say the movies were rushed per say but Ronald and Hermione's scene's were for sure. They had no romantic contact what so ever in the movies unlike the books. Then the last movie they put them all over each other. This was a big mistake in my opinion. As far as I know has made other fans angry too. We don't get as much Ron and Hermione as we expected.

Love in many forms is what helps Harry do what he has to do, but the movies have lost focus on that. The movies show glimpses, but not enough. I would have loved to see Harry falling in love on screen. I enjoyed the parts in the books that showed how protective Harry and Ginny became of one another. Harry's relationship with Lupin would also have been nice to have seen more of on screen(ex. Lupin coming to Harry when he panics over being a family man, their argument, and later apology).

Everyone has their opinion about what parts shouldn't have gotten left out of the films, and most people are going to be disappointed to some extent; otherwise, the films will last six hours apiece.

That being said, I must admit that the portrayal of Lupin in the last two films has perplexed me a bit. In HBP the film, Lupin snaps at Harry's reasonable suggestion that Dumbledore might possibly be mistaken about Snape's trustworthiness. (At least it sounds reasonable to me.) He does later make the good point that in their current situation, they have to trust in a few people absolutely, for practical reasons, but otherwise his reaction to Harry ("You're blinded by hate," when it seems that Lupin himself is the one with blinders on) seems irrationally defensive. It's potentially explained later, lamely, as "the first night of the cycle" for Lupin, but the Lupin in HBP the book is far more rational about his position.

Then, conversely, his position in DH the book seems over the top--again, explained lamely as displaced guilt for passing his condition onto his son?--but as you say this is mostly glossed over in the film. (Possibly entirely glossed over; I don't recall.)

As far as Harry falling in love is concerned, they showed quite a bit of that in GoF and OotP, with Cho. I suppose they could have done with more of that with Ginny in HBP, but in my opinion that film was already fairly drenched in hormones; I think that much more would have been overkill.

I wish more was done with HBP. I really wanted to somehow get those moments where Harry sees Ginny in the hall and first discovers in himself he has feelings for her when she is snogging. I know they are pressured for time and need to get to the big set pieces but a little more slavery to those scenes in the book would have been nice in the film. I was so hoping the kiss after the match would have been included but I know some things need to be left out...

My opinions about the romantic scenes: I still hate that Lavender stole Ginny's moment in HBP. Ginny has gotten one decent kiss with Harry. What's that about? I think that Hermione and Ron have developed pretty faithfully thus far, but they had better have their moment of truth in the last movie.
I don't like the way Tonks and Lupin's relationship has been handled at all. I do realize that there are time constraints, but I've been missing that plotline.
I'd never even thought about the dance scene being a "romantic moment" until browsing through this thread. I just thought Harry was trying to cheer Ginny up. For a few minutes, she smiled. Then when the moment was over, she went back to being sad, which just shows that she still misses Ron.

I wish more was done with HBP. I really wanted to somehow get those moments where Harry sees Ginny in the hall and first discovers in himself he has feelings for her when she is snogging. I know they are pressured for time and need to get to the big set pieces but a little more slavery to those scenes in the book would have been nice in the film. I was so hoping the kiss after the match would have been included but I know some things need to be left out...

Me too!
They could have ditched that pathetic opening scene with the waitress and the attack at the Burrow to include some decent Harry/Ginny stuff!:grumble:

I never saw the Harry/Hermione dance scene as romantic in any way. I think it was clear he was just trying to cheer her up. I posted about this in a different thread but I'll say it again... I thought the scene did a lot for Harry's character. Aspects of Daniel shone through to me, as Harry's dancing was slightly goofy and awkward, especially to start with. This gave across the impression that he just wanted to cheer Hermione up and I think it showed what a warm-hearted character Harry really is, as I feel the tender, caring side to him has been - not exactly MISSING - but shown in a very different way. In the past his caring side has been perhaps shown through anger at Voldemort, or sadness at the death of Sirius, Dumbledore, etc... But never has it been shown in Harry putting on somewhat of a brave and happy face to cheer up his best friend and encourage her to do the same. At that point in the film, Harry wasn't particularly happy and he was obviously upset and angry at Ron going, but he could see Hermione was having a harder time, and so he tried to lighten up, for her sake. He tried to show her a good time, and yet he never overstepped the mark and took advantage... Why would he? I believe Hermione and Harry have always been incredibly close, but nothing ever romantic... And that's why they can have a slow dance together without anything being thought of it.

I never saw the Harry/Hermione dance scene as romantic in any way. I think it was clear he was just trying to cheer her up. I posted about this in a different thread but I'll say it again... I thought the scene did a lot for Harry's character. Aspects of Daniel shone through to me, as Harry's dancing was slightly goofy and awkward, especially to start with. This gave across the impression that he just wanted to cheer Hermione up and I think it showed what a warm-hearted character Harry really is, as I feel the tender, caring side to him has been - not exactly MISSING - but shown in a very different way. In the past his caring side has been perhaps shown through anger at Voldemort, or sadness at the death of Sirius, Dumbledore, etc... But never has it been shown in Harry putting on somewhat of a brave and happy face to cheer up his best friend and encourage her to do the same. At that point in the film, Harry wasn't particularly happy and he was obviously upset and angry at Ron going, but he could see Hermione was having a harder time, and so he tried to lighten up, for her sake. He tried to show her a good time, and yet he never overstepped the mark and took advantage... Why would he? I believe Hermione and Harry have always been incredibly close, but nothing ever romantic... And that's why they can have a slow dance together without anything being thought of it.

The only problem with that theory is in the book Harry was so distressed by Ron leaving that he made no effort what so ever to try and cheer Hermione up. In fact any effort Harry made to cheer Hermione up in the movie would be out of character for him.

I don't think they put the waitress scene in HBP for some random romance exactly, nor just for filler as someplace for Dumbledore to meet him.

I think they've been tossing in clues, building up a bit of a train theme, to eventually make the King's Cross scene more powerful. I believe that that is why they had Harry say something about how he's been hanging out on/near the trains lately to avoid the Dursleys, which of course doesn't happen in the books. I think it was very deliberate and not an accident that this was set in a train station.

Even the song "Oh, Children" has its train references. I think that scene was in HBP to show that "Hey, Harry really likes trains and train stations, it's a place he goes to escape from it all, it's where he goes to get away from the Dursleys and just relax and read the paper and even meet girls--one of his favorite places." I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see one more non-canonical train reference in DH2 someplace (no spoilers please!), maybe even also involving a romantic or somehow other emotionally strong moment before we get to King's Cross to further emphasize this before the payoff.

The only problem with that theory is in the book Harry was so distressed by Ron leaving that he made no effort what so ever to try and cheer Hermione up. In fact any effort Harry made to cheer Hermione up in the movie would be out of character for him.

Yes I suppose you're right. Perhaps it is out of character for him and it doesn't mirror the book. But I feel that it wouldn't have spoilt Harry's character at all if it had been in the book. I think it's one of the few things the film did better.

Harry's a caring enough person to do something like that, he just didn't because it's not how he handle things. And yet, to me, his character is a lot more likeable at that moment BECAUSE he selflessly put aside his own feelings. Whether it's 100% true to Harry's character or not, I feel like it didn't do his character any harm. It certainly did nothing to disprove his love for Ginny and Ron, or Hermione's love for Ron.

Well i completely disagree. It is very clear that Harry is looking at Hermione like she is a girl in the dance scene and not like hey i want to selflessly cheer Hermione up. It seems out of character because Harry was always nervous around girls especially in the earlier films which is why the restaurant scene in HBP where he hit on the girl was out of character. I mean think of how nervous he was around Cho when he asked her to the dance and then Ginny later on. I mean could Harry have been any more awkward around Ginny in HBP. I don't think so.

To me a lot of the romantic scenes have seemed way out of character after the baseline of Harry's absolute idiocy towards Cho in GoF. I mean he spit up on himself and then he mumbled like an idiot when he was asking her to the dance. Which was endearing and all that, but now he is all suave and knows what to say and is even willing to hit on his best girlfriend which seems way out of character to me.

Either way when Harry sat down and looked over at Hermione the expression on his face was that he noticed her and the way he pulled her towards the dance floor was very much in a romantic way then the dance began and there was definitely a pause at the end while they were close of which Hermione immediately put her head down and walked away.

Then, of course, Harry tried to apologize for what happened when they were on the rocks to which Hermione stopped him and said don't ever let me cut your hair again or something like that.

The only problem with that theory is in the book Harry was so distressed by Ron leaving that he made no effort what so ever to try and cheer Hermione up. In fact any effort Harry made to cheer Hermione up in the movie would be out of character for him.

But, this is the movie, not the book. Movie Harry does things in a different way than book Harry and thus this scene works well for him here IMO.

Either way when Harry sat down and looked over at Hermione the expression on his face was that he noticed her and the way he pulled her towards the dance floor was very much in a romantic way then the dance began and there was definitely a pause at the end while they were close of which Hermione immediately put her head down and walked away.

Then, of course, Harry tried to apologize for what happened when they were on the rocks to which Hermione stopped him and said don't ever let me cut your hair again or something like that.

It looked to me like he noticed her yes, but only with a realization that maybe he could try something to cheer her up. I've rewatched this scene on DVD trying to see the seduction by Harry and simply cannot see it. To each their own I guess.

And we don't know what Harry was going to say to Hermione in that scene on the rocks. Pure speculation is all we have. I just thought Harry was going to say how sorry he was that he dragged her on this futile mission and perhaps thank her for sticking by him.

It looked to me like he noticed her yes, but only with a realization that maybe he could try something to cheer her up. I've rewatched this scene on DVD trying to see the seduction by Harry and simply cannot see it. To each their own I guess.

I really want to see this scene as simply friendship, but interviews with both Emma Watson, Dan Radcliffe, and David Yates, which you can see in Maximum Movie Mode, definitely ruin the completely innocent interpretation. They were absolutely going for a "what if?" moment here. That is how three different people involved in filming it explained it.

And we don't know what Harry was going to say to Hermione in that scene on the rocks. Pure speculation is all we have. I just thought Harry was going to say how sorry he was that he dragged her on this futile mission and perhaps thank her for sticking by him.

This is a scene that I would like to hear an explanation for by the filmmakers as well. I find it such an odd exchange. I never know quite what to make of it. I always see it as an apology, but I see it more toward what you are suggesting, an apology for this whole big mess they're in, not so much their silly dance.

It looked to me like he noticed her yes, but only with a realization that maybe he could try something to cheer her up. I've rewatched this scene on DVD trying to see the seduction by Harry and simply cannot see it. To each their own I guess.

And we don't know what Harry was going to say to Hermione in that scene on the rocks. Pure speculation is all we have. I just thought Harry was going to say how sorry he was that he dragged her on this futile mission and perhaps thank her for sticking by him.

I try and look at it as if there is nothing and i do not see it at all, but you are entitled to your opinion even if i disagree with it completely. Like Msbinns said the people involved with the scene meant for there to be something there. So to see nothing is only to say that they are terrible actors.

I agree that the apology is for the whole of it for Ron leaving and for Harry hitting on her. It is clear that she takes the apology as to do with Ron by saying don't ever let me cut your hair again.

I really want to see this scene as simply friendship, but interviews with both Emma Watson, Dan Radcliffe, and David Yates, which you can see in Maximum Movie Mode, definitely ruin the completely innocent interpretation. They were absolutely going for a "what if?" moment here. That is how three different people involved in filming it explained it.

Yes, I've read the interviews. Yes, it is explained as a "what if" moment. But, that doesn't mean that it was supposed to be a conscious moment of seduction. Play the scene as an innocent one and something that you could maybe feel the tension, but not because they went into it that way. A build up that came out of an innocent moment between friends. (yes, that can happen)

Seduction to me implies that he wants something physical to happen between the two of them and that is not what i am suggesting. I am suggesting that he is hitting on her. Meaning he is seeing how she will react when he notices her and treats her as a girl. I am not saying that dancing cannot happen innocently between friends; all i am saying is that is not what is going on in this scene.

Seduction to me implies that he wants something physical to happen between the two of them and that is not what i am suggesting. I am suggesting that he is hitting on her. Meaning he is seeing how she will react when he notices her and treats her as a girl. I am not saying that dancing cannot happen innocently between friends; all i am saying is that is not what is going on in this scene.

I respect that is your opinion of the scene, but in my opinion there's no conscious effort on Harry's part (or Hermione's) to be flirty, and I don't see anything remotely like hitting on someone. I think the scene merely suggests one friend trying to cheer up another (and Dan is on record in video interview saying that is all it is...link is posted somewhere on this thread).

Not every intimate moment between two people is automatically a romantic one. But whenever two people are close friends, the potential -- not present, but future -- possibility could happen because there's already a close relationship between them as friends. JKR has stated as much with a hypothetical answer to someone's question, that the scene in Godric's Hollow was an example of closeness between Harry & Hermione, that, only IF Ron had not come back, may have blossomed into something more than friendship. But only if Ron was totally out of the picture. Which of course isn't the case in either the movie or book.

I love that the second movie will be out and we will STILL be discussing this scene. I was pretty convinced it was an innocent dance until the actors and filmmakers went on record saying they were shooting it differently. The more interviews I see the more frustrated I get with the filmmakers interpretation of the source material. I started off in November actually liking the scene quite a lot, but have not liked all the interviews and special features I've seen since then hyping it up as a 'what if?' moment vs one friend trying to cheer up the other.

What do you make of this quote from Dan Radcliffe? "I think it's just two people on the road together for a few months without nothing else really to do but start fancying each other....a few months of loneliness on the road provokes a bit of lust." - Dan Radcliffe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JKJfakn3Ko)

Of course every intimate moment between people is not romantic. I have never in any of the films seen what i would consider a moment between Harry and Hermione until this one and they have had plenty of intimate moments. JKR's comment was about the book not the film. In the film they hint more heavily at the fact that something could have happened in between the two. This is the first time i would have ever suggested that there was anything Harry/Hermione because in the past it has always clearly been Ron/Hermione until Part 1.

Also didn't JKR just say that because she got some backlash when she said that Harry/Hermione shippers were delusional so from then on out she was more political and allowed that something could have happened?

I agree to disagree.

Also didn't JKR just say that because she got some backlash when she said that Harry/Hermione shippers were delusional so from then on out she was more political and allowed that something could have happened?


JKR did get a lot of backlash in 2005 when she pretty much called Harry/Hermione shippers "delusional" and that if they thought Harry and Hermione would happen they should reread the books. After that interview where Harry/Hermione shippers did get upset JKR does seem to be a lot more diplomatic and seems much more unwilling to say anything that will upset a section of her fan base.


What do you make of this quote from Dan Radcliffe? "I think it's just two people on the road together for a few months without nothing else really to do but start fancying each other....a few months of loneliness on the road provokes a bit of lust." - Dan Radcliffe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JKJfakn3Ko)

That is everything i have a problem with in that scene. It is not only a huge slap in the face to the Ron/Hermione relationship but it is also a huge slap in the face for Harry's and Hermione's friendship. The whole point of their friendship, what makes it special is that it is purely platonic. That is something that is very rare in fiction and adding "lust" between Harry and Hermione cheapens their relationship greatly.

That is everything i have a problem with in that scene. It is not only a huge slap in the face to the Ron/Hermione relationship but it is also a huge slap in the face for Harry's and Hermione's friendship. The whole point of their friendship, what makes it special is that it is purely platonic. That is something that is very rare in fiction and adding "lust" between Harry and Hermione cheapens their relationship greatly.

I agree. Why does every relationship between a male and female in the movies have to involve sexual tension?

I remember a very popular adventure movie called "Congo" that came out about 10-15 years ago and ppl saying how refreshing it was that the male and female leads weren't given any sexual tension to deal with. They were busy solving problems and fighting for their lives and managed to become good friends in the end...much as how I see Harry and Hermione.

See Heyman, Yates, and Kloves...it can be done. :lol:

I love that the second movie will be out and we will STILL be discussing this scene. I was pretty convinced it was an innocent dance until the actors and filmmakers went on record saying they were shooting it differently. The more interviews I see the more frustrated I get with the filmmakers interpretation of the source material. I started off in November actually liking the scene quite a lot, but have not liked all the interviews and special features I've seen since then hyping it up as a 'what if?' moment vs one friend trying to cheer up the other.

What do you make of this quote from Dan Radcliffe? "I think it's just two people on the road together for a few months without nothing else really to do but start fancying each other....a few months of loneliness on the road provokes a bit of lust." - Dan Radcliffe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JKJfakn3Ko)

I think Dan is trying to explain the script writer's viewpoint on the dance scene. Dan has also commented that the dance was nothing more than two friends dancing badly together (see post #940 on this thread).

I wonder at people who like to really judge this scene harshly. Have they never been in a similar situation where emotions are raw, tender, bleeding and people turn to each other in comfort? Sometimes people can take it farther than they may like, later down the road, but in this case it does not. But what bothers me is not the scene but the lack of recognition of the the situation, the emotions/feelings/ and circumstances and how they really jut can move in unexpected directions.

I wonder at people who like to really judge this scene harshly. Have they never been in a similar situation where emotions are raw, tender, bleeding and people turn to each other in comfort? Sometimes people can take it farther than they may like, later down the road, but in this case it does not. But what bothers me is not the scene but the lack of recognition of the the situation, the emotions/feelings/ and circumstances and how they really jut can move in unexpected directions.

"She's like my sister," he went on. "I love her like a sister and I reckon that she feels the same way about me. It's always been like that. I thought you knew."

Harry's quote here goes directly against what we see in the movie. If Harry ever thought of Hermione in a sexual way then he wouldn't have said what he said. "It's always been like that" shows that he has never even considered taking his relationship with Hermione beyond friendship. To Harry asking him to kiss Hermione would be like asking Ron to kiss Ginny.

In the book Harry actually spent much of his time being annoyed at Hermione when Ron left, blaming Hermione for the destruction of his wand even though it wasn't Hermione's fault.

Harry's quote here goes directly against what we see in the movie. If Harry ever thought of Hermione in a sexual way then he wouldn't have said what he said. "It's always been like that" shows that he has never even considered taking his relationship with Hermione beyond friendship. To Harry asking him to kiss Hermione would be like asking Ron to kiss Ginny.



The same author who wrote the above line also said that harry/hermione could have gone that way in the event that Ron did not return in DH. So no, To Harry asking him to kiss Hermione would NOT be like asking Ron to kiss Ginny. You may think JKR was just trying to appease the fans.. but she could have said something like "harry has already said in DH that hermione is like his sister.. so it will be like Ron and Ginny could have gone that way which is incestous".. or she need not have said anything at al.. As far as I know the interviewer is an obsessed ron/hermione fan and also part of the delusional comment fiasco so its not like she was trying to get a positive comment about H/Hr out of JKR by being too persistent.. JKR made that comment out of her own violation.. you may choose to disregard this one particular comment of JKR and accuse her of lying because that suits your stand but the fact is as per her comments.. until HBP no.. there was no way harry/hermione could have gone that way because of the circumstances then... but after the events in DH and the things they both experienced over the course of that year.. there could have been something had Ron truly betrayed them by not returning... he did indeed betray their friendship but made up for it by returning..

so JKR defenitely doesnt see Harry/Hermione and Ron/Ginny in the same way..

Frankly the expectation that hermione remain loyal to Ron IN BOOKS by Ron fans baffles me.. at that point she had no way of knowing he would return. he has essentially abondonded them not caring for either his friendship with harry or his love for hermione.. (despite all the excuses about locket) Even if she had a feeling that he may return she has the right to be disappointed by his actions and choose to not continue their unspoken relationship.. So why should hermione not even for a moment consider not being with Ron? It didnt happen in the book because JKR planned to get ron back and didnt want to deal with that plot line maybe.. but in real life scenario why is it wrong?

The same author who wrote the above line also said that harry/hermione could have gone that way in the event that Ron did not return in DH. So no, To Harry asking him to kiss Hermione would NOT be like asking Ron to kiss Ginny. You may think JKR was just trying to appease the fans.. but she could have said something like "harry has already said in DH that hermione is like his sister.. so it will be like Ron and Ginny could have gone that way which is incestous".. or she need not have said anything at al.. As far as I know the interviewer is an obsessed ron/hermione fan and also part of the delusional comment fiasco so its not like she was trying to get a positive comment about H/Hr out of JKR by being too persistent.. JKR made that comment out of her own violation.. you may choose to disregard this one particular comment of JKR and accuse her of lying because that suits your stand but the fact is as per her comments.. until HBP no.. there was no way harry/hermione could have gone that way because of the circumstances then... but after the events in DH and the things they both experienced over the course of that year.. there could have been something had Ron truly betrayed them by not returning... he did indeed betray their friendship but made up for it by returning..

so JKR defenitely doesnt see Harry/Hermione and Ron/Ginny in the same way..

Frankly the expectation that hermione remain loyal to Ron IN BOOKS by Ron fans baffles me.. at that point she had no way of knowing he would return. he has essentially abondonded them not caring for either his friendship with harry or his love for hermione.. (despite all the excuses about locket) Even if she had a feeling that he may return she has the right to be disappointed by his actions and choose to not continue their unspoken relationship.. So why should hermione not even for a moment consider not being with Ron? It didnt happen in the book because JKR planned to get ron back and didnt want to deal with that plot line maybe.. but in real life scenario why is it wrong?

Hermione doesn't have to remain loyal to Ron but Harry has to remain loyal to Ginny as they did have a silent agreement that they would wait for each other. Harry making a move on Hermione makes Harry look like a arse and a cheater.

None of this happened in the book. Harry was not interested in Hermione when Ron was away and instead spent most of the time thinking about Snape, Ginny and being angry at Hermione for destroying his wand.

Let's just respect each others opinions okay? JKR has left some room for speculation and interpretation, so please allow people to have another view than your own and don't make assumptions.

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I thought he was just trying to cheer his best friend up after his other best mate had left them. That is why he did the silly dance, or can he just not dance? :scared: But that was such a funny and sweet scene. There was no romance there. :p I dance with all my mates, and that does not mean i fancy them all. :rotfl:

The best Romantic scene has to be Ginny and Harry. They looked so sweet together and then they were interrupted by George with a toothbrush in his ear.:lol: I am so glad that Ron did not have a go at Harry like he did in the book.

I wonder at people who like to really judge this scene harshly. Have they never been in a similar situation where emotions are raw, tender, bleeding and people turn to each other in comfort? Sometimes people can take it farther than they may like, later down the road, but in this case it does not. But what bothers me is not the scene but the lack of recognition of the the situation, the emotions/feelings/ and circumstances and how they really jut can move in unexpected directions.

That's the problem I have with this. The idea that it can happen to anyone doesn't fit in with how JKR develops Harry's character. He isn't just anyone. He is the Chosen One. He is that "one in a million" (according to JKR) who can defeat Voldemort. He has already faced much greater challenges than lonliness induced hormones. I thought she dealt with Harry's romances in OoTP and HBP, but the movie makers just couldn't let go of H\Hr, IMHO. Either from personal preference or ticket sales I'm not sure.

He is only human, but a very special human in JKR's scheme of things. And Harry has a special someone waiting for him. JKR's characters are very human, but they still mange to carry a level of virtue around with them that overcomes their faults. In this case I feel the movie makers dipped to a lower level than appropriate with the dance. They could have depicted the idea of H\Hr passing between Harry and Hermione in another way than that would not make Harry look like such a loser...IMHO. (Not to mention throwing H\G and R\Hr out the window.) :sigh:

It looks to me that they wanted to show that Harry was trying to make something happen, and that is why he tried to apologize to Hermione the next morning, IMHO.

I have personally seen ppl and friends in worse situations than Harry and Hermione and it didn't end up with displays of sexual tension. They could have gone that route, but nooo....

Hermione doesn't have to remain loyal to Ron but Harry has to remain loyal to Ginny as they did have a silent agreement that they would wait for each other. Harry making a move on Hermione makes Harry look like a arse and a cheater.

Also, Meenaxi, it was pointed out by JKR herself that Harry and Ginny are "soulmates". I don't see someone like Harry letting go of that, IMHO. But others do...:huh:

It looks to me that they wanted to show that Harry was trying to make something happen, and that is why he tried to apologize to Hermione the next morning, IMHO.
I've posted in this thread several times trying to pry out any nuances about this scene. I think you hit precisely on a key point about the next morning where Harry tried to apologize. Of course, the director very slyly handled that by not giving Harry any incriminating motives or explanation other than the word "Hermione". A brilliant form of deniability! :elaugh:

I think the other key point is when the Director allowed Harry to take off the (necklace) locket Horcrux. Harry should have just asked Hermione to take it off, but this made for the intimate tension to start at the beginning of the dance scene. The way he stared at her while doing that, so there is no doubt the Director was adding in the idea of intimate tension. I don't think 'that' was necessarily meant to be sexual tension, but it was definitely a preamble to that possibility, imo.

:gryff:

I think the other key point is when the Director allowed Harry to take off her necklace. Harry should have just asked Hermione to take it off, but this made for the intimate tension to start at the beginning of the dance scene.



It was not her necklace, it was the locket. He took it off without asking because last time someone asked to take the locket off of them Ron shouted at the person. Plus he was cheering her up, she was down because Ron left and it was made worst by the locket, that is why he did a silly dance. I am still adamant he can dance and that it was a silly one. None of my family have read the books and they do not know how it is going to end. I asked them if they could guess which two people would be together at the end of the next film they said Ron and Hermione because they look good together and are sweet. I mentioned what about the dance scene and Harry and Hermione they said it was two best mates having a laugh. That is what I think

It was not her necklace, it was the locket. He took it off without asking because last time someone asked to take the locket off of them Ron shouted at the person. Plus he was cheering her up, she was down because Ron left and it was made worst by the locket, that is why he did a silly dance. I am still adamant he can dance and that it was a silly one. None of my family have read the books and they do not know how it is going to end. I asked them if they could guess which two people would be together at the end of the next film they said Ron and Hermione because they look good together and are sweet. I mentioned what about the dance scene and Harry and Hermione they said it was two best mates having a laugh. That is what I think
Hey, thanks for correcting me. :) Yes, this is the locket Horcrux, but it is a necklace too. I, personally, didn't have a problem with the scene. I understand, though, why many are disappointed too. I do think it is interesting about what the Director's intent was, and there is evidence he was trying to create intimate "tension". Radcliffe even used the word "lust". So, these off-camera ideas are controversial for many that want the movie to remain faithful to the book. This is quite apparent by reading this thread. :)

That's the problem I have with this. The idea that it can happen to anyone doesn't fit in with how JKR develops Harry's character. He isn't just anyone. He is the Chosen One. He is that "one in a million" (according to JKR) who can defeat Voldemort. He has already faced much greater challenges than lonliness induced hormones. I thought she dealt with Harry's romances in OoTP and HBP, but the movie makers just couldn't let go of H\Hr, IMHO. Either from personal preference or ticket sales I'm not sure.

He is only human, but a very special human in JKR's scheme of things. And Harry has a special someone waiting for him. JKR's characters are very human, but they still mange to carry a level of virtue around with them that overcomes their faults. In this case I feel the movie makers dipped to a lower level than appropriate with the dance. They could have depicted the idea of H\Hr passing between Harry and Hermione in another way than that would not make Harry look like such a loser...IMHO. (Not to mention throwing H\G and R\Hr out the window.) :sigh:

It looks to me that they wanted to show that Harry was trying to make something happen, and that is why he tried to apologize to Hermione the next morning, IMHO.

I have personally seen ppl and friends in worse situations than Harry and Hermione and it didn't end up with displays of sexual tension. They could have gone that route, but nooo....



Also, Meenaxi, it was pointed out by JKR herself that Harry and Ginny are "soulmates". I don't see someone like Harry letting go of that, IMHO. But others do...:huh:


I don't think there is any point in discussing what the intention of the film makers with this scene was; they have been pretty blatant about it. What remains to be discussed (and my god has it been discussed!) is our interpretation of the scene. There will be people who feel its purely platonic, and that is respectable. I don't think everyone catches on the same vibe between two people, maybe some people just view a scene differently, or are in a different frame of mind while watching it, so react differently to it. The question then remains, that IF they were hinting at a little something more, or just the possibility of it given the situation (and on record, I firmly believe that they were hinting at a minute possibility, from Harry more than Hermione, that dissipated into nothingness just as soon as it took form, but nonetheless it was there) does it agree with how the characters are defined?

If we look at the trio from the Books then no, there isn't an iota of sexual tension between Harry and Hermione. Not once, not at all, in any single book. Jo even makes sure that every time she is foreshadowing towards Ron's inevitable jealousy towards the both of them (in book six for example), we as readers always know the true story, and don't see it as a reason for concern. I know Jo said that quote recently, and no disrespect to her, I believe she stands by her two couples firmly, but is just allowing for interpretation I guess (though again, personal opinion here, I do feel she has just decided to take on a more diplomatic tone after the huge backlash she had not only after the interview but also after DH came out, a lot of H/Hr shippers were ranting on and on about her). I also think, that what she means to imply is, and this what even ajna keeps mentioning, that two people in the situation harry and hermione were in could contemplate such a thing. But thats where I stand in their characters defence, atleast the way they are developed in the books and say, that no amount of loneliness could have pushed them towards eachother given how much they still cared about ron and ginny.

Movie trio on the other hand, has a slightly different characterization to the book trio. That is another debate whether that is acceptable or not, or which one do we prefer. But there are quite some differences between the characterization and hence essentially in their equation with eachother. Even that being said, I don't think Harry and hermione was ever blatantly hinted at; yes they played down hermiones maternal instinct towards harry and made a more close friend one, and they also made these two seem more intimate than they are in the books, but even that is acceptable I suppose. Given this background, I would still hate to see a hint of Harry and Hermione in any context, since it is still Harry Potter, but given how they have sort of defined these characters in the movie, the moment is still sort of passable (i would have loved it if they would have just stuck to the goofy dance though) as an occurence between the two friends.

P.S- I will never understand people who think Dan and Emma have chemistry, especially now. That cannot be the reason for this scene, they have such a brotherly-sisterly vibe IMO. Rupert-Emma nail the chemistry much better I thought. Hopefully Part 2 will just show us how much :D.

Hermione doesn't have to remain loyal to Ron but Harry has to remain loyal to Ginny as they did have a silent agreement that they would wait for each other.


Sorry, but I don't recall there being a "silent agreement" between Harry & Ginny to wait for each other, either in the movie or the books. In fact the feeling I get from a lot of posters here is that the movies did too little to show development of Harry & Ginny as a couple.

In any case, as I view the dance as between friends only, I don't see a problem with it. I saw DH with a non-HP-reading sibling, and she didn't see anything romantic at all about the dance, just a friend using a goofy dance to try to cheer someone up...ironically, she thought it was a bit brotherly on Harry's part trying to coax a smile out of her (and again, she hasn't read any of the books).

P.S- I will never understand people who think Dan and Emma have chemistry, especially now. That cannot be the reason for this scene, they have such a brotherly-sisterly vibe IMO. Rupert-Emma nail the chemistry much better I thought. Hopefully Part 2 will just show us how much :D.

They do have chemistry, but as good friends. Why does chemistry always have to mean romantic intent?

I enjoyed your post, by the way, very thoughtful and interesting.

That's the problem I have with this. The idea that it can happen to anyone doesn't fit in with how JKR develops Harry's character. He isn't just anyone. He is the Chosen One. He is that "one in a million" (according to JKR) who can defeat Voldemort. He has already faced much greater challenges than lonliness induced hormones. I thought she dealt with Harry's romances in OoTP and HBP, but the movie makers just couldn't let go of H\Hr, IMHO. Either from personal preference or ticket sales I'm not sure.


He's been chosen by Voldemort. That doesn't make him exceptionally different otherwise. He's still a kid. Now just barely a young man.

They do have chemistry, but as good friends. Why does chemistry always have to mean romantic intent?


Very good point. That says a lot. Chemistry doesn't have to be romantic.

Sorry, but I don't recall there being a "silent agreement" between Harry & Ginny to wait for each other, either in the movie or the books. In fact the feeling I get from a lot of posters here is that the movies did too little to show development of Harry & Ginny as a couple.


Obviously it is up for debate but i do feel that this scene was a silent agreement between Harry and Ginny to wait for each other

"I didn't know what would be useful. Nothing too big, because you wouldn't be able to take it with you."

He chanced a glance at her. She was not tearful; that was one of the many wonderful things about Ginny, she was rarely weepy. He had sometimes thought that having six brothers must have toughened her up.

She took a step closer to him.

"So then I thought, I'd like you to have something to remember me by, you know, if you meet some veela when you're off doing whatever you're doing."

"I think dating opportunities are going to be pretty thin on the ground, to be honest."

"There's the silver lining I've been looking for," she whispered, and then she was kissing him as she had never kissed him before, and Harry was kissing her back, and it was blissful oblivion better than firewhisky; she was the only real thing in the world, Ginny, the feel of her, one hand at her back and one in her long, sweet-smelling hair-

I think that scene not only has a silent agreement between Harry and Ginny to wait for each other but it also shows how much Harry is in love with Ginny. In the books Harry does love Hermione but he is in love with Ginny.

Harry making any kind of move on Hermione when Ron leaves in the book would be extremely out of character for him.

As for the movie Harry and Ginny had not even broken up so even if i feel their relationship was done very badly in the movie even during the horcrux hunt Harry was not single as he hadn't broken up with Ginny. With that in mind him trying to seduce Hermione when she is hurt and vulnerable makes Harry look like a horrible person.

Well, I think that it matters that:

A) Harry and Hermione are the only people in each other's world at that point, and they have no idea how many days, months or years it may be that way [because]

B) The horcrux hunt is going extremely slowly and looks like it's rather hopeless and shrivelling up at this point, making their world seem closed in and gray [in part because]

C) The locket is dragging their emotional states down into a state of depression and weakness quite beyond that they would usually have to deal with.

D) Even if we buy the director's take on it that Harry does have that feeling for a brief moment in time, it is just that--a low moment of wondering if "maybe, theoretically, under these conditions, I wonder if it's worth considering..."--then, no, bad idea.

I think when we look at all those factors, that even the way the director looked at it isn't a show of poor character or lack of virtue on Harry's part. He's a teenage boy, far from his girlfriend in many ways, alone in the world for what seems likely to be a virtually unending time with his best female friend, who's been deserted by her boyfriend. It doesn't seem at all immoral or shocking or "cheating" that the thought just crosses his mind as a consideration for a few moments before he discards it as "I guess not."

I'm about the strictest person I know with my own personal ethics on loyalty/cheating/boyfriend-girlfriend/thou shalt not poach, all that stuff, but if I were anything short of married and found myself in a similar situation, even if I'd never really had anything but sibling-type feelings for the person before in my life, I'd have to think that one day along the line the thought would at least cross my mind for a minute or two somewhere, even if it quickly was rejected as a "no way."

Obviously it is up for debate but i do feel that this scene was a silent agreement between Harry and Ginny to wait for each other

I think that scene not only has a silent agreement between Harry and Ginny to wait for each other but it also shows how much Harry is in love with Ginny. In the books Harry does love Hermione but he is in love with Ginny.

Although that scene is, of course, from the books (rather than the movie), I still don't see anything there that implies an agreement between them. It shows attraction between them, but nothing more. In fact, after Ron rudely barges in and accuses Harry of taking advantage of Ginny, Harry in effect tells Ron there's no long range expectations between them; Harry's not sure he'll survive to have any kind of normal life.

But as the thread is about the movie, I don't think there's anything shown in DH that can be interpreted as a silent agreement between them. There's a lovely moment alone and a sweet romantic kiss, but that's all we get.

Again, as I don't see anything romantic about the dance, the characters stay close enough to the book characterizations in my view. Neither Harry nor Hermione are seen to move in any direction that would take them away from the story's intent to pair them up as in the books. Do Harry & Hermione share some close moments when Ron's not there? Yes; but close doesn't always mean romantic. Family members and good friends often share very intense life experiences/moments with each other.

I think when we look at all those factors, that even the way the director looked at it isn't a show of poor character or lack of virtue on Harry's part. He's a teenage boy, far from his girlfriend in many ways, alone in the world for what seems likely to be a virtually unending time with his best female friend, who's been deserted by her boyfriend. It doesn't seem at all immoral or shocking or "cheating" that the thought just crosses his mind as a consideration for a few moments before he discards it as "I guess not."

I'm about the strictest person I know with my own personal ethics on loyalty/cheating/boyfriend-girlfriend/thou shalt not poach, all that stuff, but if I were anything short of married and found myself in a similar situation, even if I'd never really had anything but sibling-type feelings for the person before in my life, I'd have to think that one day along the line the thought would at least cross my mind for a minute or two somewhere, even if it quickly was rejected as a "no way."

Except Harry isn't attracted to Hermione. We have been in Harry's head for 7 books and almost whenever Harry internally describes Hermione it is hardly a flattering description. Compare that to how he internally describes Cho and later Ginny and there is a huge difference.

We also see no evidence what so ever in regards to Hermione being at all attracted to Harry.

Although that scene is, of course, from the books (rather than the movie), I still don't see anything there that implies an agreement between them. It shows attraction between them, but nothing more. In fact, after Ron rudely barges in and accuses Harry of taking advantage of Ginny, Harry in effect tells Ron there's no long range expectations between them; Harry's not sure he'll survive to have any kind of normal life.


So do you think Ginny would have kissed Harry if instead of saying that he didn't think there would be a lot of dating opportunities on the hunt Harry said that he was going to go after the first girl he laid his eyes on as soon as she (Ginny) is out of the picture? I think the kiss sealed a agreement between them that they would wait for each other and i don't think Ginny would have kissed him if she believed he would go after other girls if given the opportunity.



Again, as I don't see anything romantic about the dance, the characters stay close enough to the book characterizations in my view. Neither Harry nor Hermione are seen to move in any direction that would take them away from the story's intent to pair them up as in the books. Do Harry & Hermione share some close moments when Ron's not there? Yes; but close doesn't always mean romantic. Family members and good friends often share very intense life experiences/moments with each other.

It is out of character because in the book Harry was completely focused on his own pain and as a result he was unable or unwilling to think of what Hermione was going through. In the book Harry didn't once try and cheer Hermione up as he was to busy focusing on his own pain. Harry trying to cheer Hermione up in the movie was out of character.

It is out of character because in the book Harry was completely focused on his own pain and as a result he was unable or unwilling to think of what Hermione was going through. In the book Harry didn't once try and cheer Hermione up as he was to busy focusing on his own pain. Harry trying to cheer Hermione up in the movie was out of character.

Yes, it was, but Harry acting like his canon self, i.e. being self-absorbed and rather selfish at times towards Hermione at certain points, might not have made for very good cinema. :whistle:

(As it is, Film Harry does snap at Film Hermione a couple of times! -- just to show the strain they are all under.)

Count me as one of those who don't regard the H/H dance as a big deal.

I don't think Harry was trying to seduce her, neither of them had any romantic feelings for each other, they weren't trying to satisfy a need for intimacy by turning to each other; they were friends and had a close brother- sister type bond, that's all. It was dancing, it wasn't a romantic moment between them (romance wasn't on either of their minds).

I don't think this dance was a big deal, or a monstrous betrayal to Ron- I actually really love this scene. When they'd lost Ron, they hadn't seen so many people they loved for months, and their journey was looking at it's bleakest, they were taking a moment to stop focusing on the overwhelming negatives in the situation, and to appreciate that they weren't alone, they still had one best friend with them, and could still smile, laugh and dance despite the gravity of their situation.

Me too!
They could have ditched that pathetic opening scene with the waitress and the attack at the Burrow to include some decent Harry/Ginny stuff!:grumble:

Good point!! I forgot about the scene with the waitress! What a bore that was compared to a few more min of meaningful screen time with Harry and Ginny or at least showing Harry regarding Ginny with his new found feelings for her.:love:
I think the movie would be ten times more beloved especially on a "Fan girl" level if there were scenes with Harry and Ginny simply making eyes at each other..He looking at her in a new light and her curious to what he was making of her. I am getting depressed now since this is all out the window the main focus now is just Harry VS Voldy.

I have a feeling that if Ginny had been present in the tent, the dance might still have taken place, and she would have seen it for what it was. An attempt at comfort and distraction.

I completely disagree. If Harry was dating Ginny and then he hit on Hermione in this way i think it's cheating. The thing is while Harry seems to like Ginny in the film they are not dating. They have never actually been together in the films. I mean Harry hit on Hermione and because she didn't want anything to happen she walked away. So the only reason nothing happened is because of Hermione.

I completely disagree. If Harry was dating Ginny and then he hit on Hermione in this way i think it's cheating. The thing is while Harry seems to like Ginny in the film they are not dating. They have never actually been together in the films. I mean Harry hit on Hermione and because she didn't want anything to happen she walked away. So the only reason nothing happened is because of Hermione.


Well, that's the crux of the discussion, isn't it? Some people see it as a 'hit' with romantic intentions, while others see it as an overture of friendship with no romantic intentions involved. And that's where the circle goes 'round and 'round, because of that simple disagreement.

Well that is the crux and i am not trying to discuss that with the other side though i will continue to say that there was something there when the people in this thread start talking about the scene as if of course there is nothing there.

What i am saying is that Harry and Ginny are not together in the films and so even if the dance has romantic intention which i think it does then even with that romantic hint Harry is still not cheating because Harry and Ginny are not together.

Well, that's the crux of the discussion, isn't it? Some people see it as a 'hit' with romantic intentions, while others see it as an overture of friendship with no romantic intentions involved. And that's where the circle goes 'round and 'round, because of that simple disagreement.

Well, obviously I'm right...:rotfl: JUST KIDDING!! Just kidding!!!


Look, I know alot of ppl like the chemistry between Emma and Dan on screen and don't see any between Rupert and Emma. (I think that is b\c the movie makers intentionally pushed Ron to the background as comic relief since POA but that is another argument.) There are also some who prefer H\Hr because it just seems right to them or they don't like Ron compared to Harry etc, etc,...

But given how the Harry\Hermione relationship has been portrayed in the last few films and what has been said by the director and actors I feel our argument that it was an attempt to develop H\Hr as a romance is very sound. And for those of us who feel the canon relationships of the trio is fundamental to understanding what JKR was trying to say about how people should treat each other and "love" being the glue that holds us together it is beyond upsetting and something of a betrayal of what HP stands for IMHO.

If they wanted to have Neville fall for Luna or Seamus and Lavender making eyes at each other I wouldn't have a problem.

But to completely change how the trio interact, treat Ron's character in such a patronizing manner, weaken H\G for the sake of H\Hr, show what I think is an attempt to have Harry betray his love for Ginny and his friendship with Ron, put Hermione in the position where she has to reject his advances in order to develop some UT between them, is just ridiculous when they could have gone in a better and more interesting direction.

In the end, as one of the posters said earlier, the canon relationships at the end of the film series are going to look pretty unbelievable to anyone who hasn't reads the books. That tells me the movies are not truly faithful to the HP series.

The series is about Harry and his fate. But it is also how he finds the strength to face his fate. The trio and various forms of love he finds in his life (his mother, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, the Weasleys, Sirius) gives him the power to face his fate and defeat Voldemort. When the movie makers mess with the basic structure of love that supports Harry and make one relationship more important than the others (like the way they have made H\Hr more important than all others IMHO) then it throws the whole series out of balance and is a betrayal of what HP is really about.

And it could have been so much better, IMHO.

In the end, as one of the posters said earlier, the canon relationships at the end of the film series are going to look pretty unbelievable to anyone who hasn't reads the books.

Since the films have dropped quite a few R/H hints, and Ron and Hermione are shown to be clearly together at the end of DH Part One (Ron holding Hermione supportively), I don't agree that it will be unbelievable.

That tells me the movies are not truly faithful to the HP series.

They're a lot more faithful than most other book-to-film adaptations ...

I completely disagree. If Harry was dating Ginny and then he hit on Hermione in this way i think it's cheating.
Despite the fact that Harry and Ginny aren't even dating, Harry isn't hitting on Hermione. He didn't have romantic intentions. If you look at the scene while they're dancing they aren't making eyes at each other and their body movements aren't suggestive in the least.

Because the Dance has been danced for such a long time now (someone had to see that coming :D), let's take a seat and discuss this: Do you think the film adequately portrayed sexual tension between Ron and Hermione. I know this has been discussed, but I mean sexual tension in a more 17/18 year old way, rather than in the lets keep this movie PG way. I mentioned this in another thread, that I thought as brilliantly as Jo has given fiber to her characters (Ron and Hermione specifically) and made their interactions so realistic, I never understood how two full grown teenagers could have survived those long months in a tent with one another, and further still, arrive at Shell Cottage in eachothers arms and yet save their bubbling passion for a moment where Harry is witness.

Do the movies ever suggest that kind of repressed tension to you guys or is it more a sweet, longing looks sweet gestures type of a thing between R/Hr?

I mentioned this in another thread, that I thought as brilliantly as Jo has given fiber to her characters (Ron and Hermione specifically) and made their interactions so realistic, I never understood how two full grown teenagers could have survived those long months in a tent with one another, and further still, arrive at Shell Cottage in each others arms and yet save their bubbling passion for a moment where Harry is witness.

JKR's teenagers are more chaste than their real life counterparts in contemporary Britain ...

Do the movies ever suggest that kind of repressed tension to you guys or is it more a sweet, longing looks sweet gestures type of a thing between R/Hr?

My own preference would be to not witness any repressed sexual tension between Film Ron and Film Hermione on screen -- :yuhup: -- but, my own bias aside, I definitely think the films achieve the latter, rather than the former.

I do think the films hint at UST between Harry and Ginny. Rather clumsily, sure :whistle: but the intention is clearly there.

Despite the fact that Harry and Ginny aren't even dating, Harry isn't hitting on Hermione. He didn't have romantic intentions. If you look at the scene while they're dancing they aren't making eyes at each other and their body movements aren't suggestive in the least.

I understand that there are some that feel that way but i just do not agree. It is very clear to me that Harry looked at Hermione like he noticed she was a girl in that moment and wanted to see what would happen. We can, of course, agree to disagree.

I actually think Harry has been more about showing sexual tension in the films, with the waitress, with Ginny, and with Hermione more then anything between Ron and Hermione.

PS. Though personally i have been fine with how Ron/Hermione has been in the films. I think that Harry/Ginny has been horrendous and just terrible in the last two films. The best scene that had anything to do with Harry/Ginny was when Harry and Hermione talked on the stairs and he said it feels just like this.

Because the Dance has been danced for such a long time now (someone had to see that coming :D), let's take a seat and discuss this: Do you think the film adequately portrayed sexual tension between Ron and Hermione. I know this has been discussed, but I mean sexual tension in a more 17/18 year old way, rather than in the lets keep this movie PG way.
I think teens at that age may not necessarily feel the need for sex or sexual tension beyond snogging & remaining dressed. There is such a thing as romantic tension too, and I prefer that idea with Ron & Hermione. Why? Because their romantic tension is volatility based & there is a certain shyness and opposites attract factor, opposing forces, that cause slower development towards any sexual tension or open romance even between each other in private.
I mentioned this in another thread, that I thought as brilliantly as Jo has given fiber to her characters (Ron and Hermione specifically) and made their interactions so realistic, I never understood how two full grown teenagers could have survived those long months in a tent with one another, and further still, arrive at Shell Cottage in eachothers arms and yet save their bubbling passion for a moment where Harry is witness.
For the reasons I give above, and for the reason The Trio, when together, tend to focus as a Trio. Given this is a life & death scenario unfolding, the sexual tension takes a back empty seat. :lol: Hermione is too busy researching this & the Horcrux is wreaking havoc on emotional stability including playing on Ron's insecurities causing jealousy to arise. And, add in a shoulder injury & I don't feel the setting is opportune for sexual tension or even romantic tension to the point of open displays. It seems perfectly reasonable for sexual tension to be repressed throughout this time frame.
Do the movies ever suggest that kind of repressed tension to you guys or is it more a sweet, longing looks sweet gestures type of a thing between R/Hr?
Repressed romantic tension, yes! Not repressed sexual tension, no! Maybe in DH2 there will be more intimate & passionate 'moments' to begin the idea of sexual tension, but I think it's far more important to develop the romantic tension & have a real breakthrough there.

If you watch the YouTube videos of R&H, then you can clearly see there were already some sweet tender gestures & intimate, even romantic, glimpses. I've found no sexual tension except in that bareback zipper scene with H&G. :D

To me, Harry and Hermione is and never was or will be [duh] canon in the books, and I am glad of that. As interesting as they would be together, I never really considered anyone for Hermione but Ron. Now the movies are a different story.

The movies seem to destroy any relationship between Ginny and Harry, giving them cheesy and weak moments where the passion of Ginny's character is lost in a more stereotypically lovesick moment. I think they tried far too hard in that regard. But with Ron and Hermione they've almost lost it! I think Klovis deeply rooted support for H/Hr shows through in that dancing scene. Because even though it is just a friendship dance, I also clearly see what an earlier poster described as Harry realizing Hermione was a girl for the first time. But I attribute that to the writer, and not that it would be canon.

I also agree that they screw around with love connections and make everything seem a tad unrealistic. The books make H/G so easy to understand and make sense of, while the movies botch it because they never really develop Ginny well enough for us to see how they would fit. Harry many times goes out of character when involving girls, and I believe that is the writer just trying to throw in some teen romance. The main point of HP is love, so don't get me wrong, it's awesome that love is focused on. But they zoom in on the wrong kind. There are all sorts of love, and Harry has found all those different kinds in so many different people. Screwing around with his love for Hermione and making it seem more than it is not only subtley suggests this idea into a casual viewers head, but deemphasizes the love between H/G and Hr/R and even just Harry and Ron's friendship.

I think if they'd focused less on those aspects of love, and more on it just being there, then they would have set better groundwork for the ending. Because to me, in the movies, it just does not make much sense why Harry and Ginny are together, and sometimes Hermione and Ron just seem to be at odds rather than in love.

That's just my view. I really did love this movie though, but in general I am not fond of how Klovis tries to "romance" things up.

To me, Harry and Hermione is and never was or will be [duh] canon in the books, and I am glad of that. As interesting as they would be together, I never really considered anyone for Hermione but Ron. Now the movies are a different story.

The movies seem to destroy any relationship between Ginny and Harry, giving them cheesy and weak moments where the passion of Ginny's character is lost in a more stereotypically lovesick moment. I think they tried far too hard in that regard. But with Ron and Hermione they've almost lost it! I think Klovis deeply rooted support for H/Hr shows through in that dancing scene. Because even though it is just a friendship dance, I also clearly see what an earlier poster described as Harry realizing Hermione was a girl for the first time. But I attribute that to the writer, and not that it would be canon.

I also agree that they screw around with love connections and make everything seem a tad unrealistic. The books make H/G so easy to understand and make sense of, while the movies botch it because they never really develop Ginny well enough for us to see how they would fit. Harry many times goes out of character when involving girls, and I believe that is the writer just trying to throw in some teen romance. The main point of HP is love, so don't get me wrong, it's awesome that love is focused on. But they zoom in on the wrong kind. There are all sorts of love, and Harry has found all those different kinds in so many different people. Screwing around with his love for Hermione and making it seem more than it is not only subtley suggests this idea into a casual viewers head, but deemphasizes the love between H/G and Hr/R and even just Harry and Ron's friendship.

I think if they'd focused less on those aspects of love, and more on it just being there, then they would have set better groundwork for the ending. Because to me, in the movies, it just does not make much sense why Harry and Ginny are together, and sometimes Hermione and Ron just seem to be at odds rather than in love.

That's just my view. I really did love this movie though, but in general I am not fond of how Klovis tries to "romance" things up.

i'm a firm supporter of the trio friendship and i tend to focus on that and not the undertones kloves suppodly puts everywhere
(which he didnt in 5- in 5 we had a different scriptwriter and a ever more present trio-unit)

and maybe because i'm not in a relationship but I never saw anything romantic between harry and Hermione in the movies no matter how hard i tried.

I also disagree than they "almost" lost it with ron/hermione. As Hermione herself never waver regarding Ron (except when it came to Krum in movie 4 but that was cannon). Also i disagree with the casual viewer thing too.
maybe if the casual viewer is wired to follow hero+ heroine love story cliches,
but my parents and most of my cousins have not read the books and they all prefer Ron with hermione.

also you have to keep in mind there's a lot more to a scene that just the directing and the screenwriting. the actors make choices too.
(and all three of the main actors have said they had more freedom in the last movies to include their opinion on the characters.)

and Emma has been supportive of Ron/Hermione for forever. and it clearly shows in the movies without doubt to me.

as for Ron/Hermione being at "odds"
how does that negate that they're in love?
to me it doesnt. Just because you're in love with someone doesn't mean that you dont get awkard or uncomfortable or angry and mad at them on occasion.
specially considering they're teenager insecure about how to deal with their feeling for each other. there's bound to be "odds" in the mix.

there were odds in the book too and that didn't detract for the obvious (they're in love with each other)

in any case, outside of Ron/Hermione Snape/Lilly unrequired- part 2 doesn't seem to deal with romance at all.

I think if they'd focused less on those aspects of love, and more on it just being there, then they would have set better groundwork for the ending. Because to me, in the movies, it just does not make much sense why Harry and Ginny are together, and sometimes Hermione and Ron just seem to be at odds rather than in love.

That's just my view. I really did love this movie though, but in general I am not fond of how Klovis tries to "romance" things up.
I wonder if this has occurred to some large extent, because it is a Two Part movie for DH? Part one sets it up with strong hints but adding some doubts too, increasing "tension", which is then dramatically released completely & totally & conclusively by revealing the answers in Part Two of DH.

Some of this romantic confusion may just be due to the fact that DH is in two parts, and this is a good way to set-up the audience for a fulfillment finish?

I understand that there are some that feel that way but i just do not agree. It is very clear to me that Harry looked at Hermione like he noticed she was a girl in that moment and wanted to see what would happen. We can, of course, agree to disagree.

I actually think Harry has been more about showing sexual tension in the films, with the waitress, with Ginny, and with Hermione more then anything between Ron and Hermione..

As someone who doesn't see squat of sexual tension between Harry and Hermione since... ever. (and more friend being there for each other or harry being clueless but trying to help his friend)
I disagree completely that there isn't sexual tension between Ron/Hermione.
There clearly is in Prisoner of Azkaban (CoMC class anyone?), their fight over scabbers in hagrid hut (it was obvious to me Hermione wasn't talking about scabbers/crookshanks but about ron being mad at her)

Specially in ootp and HBP the screen was dripping with it.

ex:
http://www.rupertgrintphotogallery.com/displayimage.php?album=45&pid=9832#top_display_media

http://mugglemeetswizard.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/ronhermione1.jpg?w=300&h=182

http://24.media.tumblr.com/rDV7kyzWPpn6gvecPeBy3Uego1_500.png


so the claim that they dont have sexual tension is kind of bogus.

having said that, I admit to see it more as a Love tension and not so much sexual tension.

people seem to forget that hp story took place in the 90's. and sex at that age was taboo.
plus not all teenagers are horn dogs and it's stupid for someone to think so.
specially considering the Character of Ron who got tongue tied and flustered when his sister called him out on how inexperience he was.

i doubt things with lavender got past snog.

like emma said "harry potter is not selling sex" so i dont think sex was something that was at the forfront of the characters' mind.

that it happened later in the years, yeah.
but not at hogwarts.

I think we are just using different words. I think that Harry wants something physical to happen in the films and, not that Ron and Hermione wouldn't mind that as well, but they want something more. I think their moments in the films, and there have been a lot of Ron/Hermione moments, have been more romantic in nature whereas Harry which is partially the fact that Daniel is terrible and it also may just be how the wrote it, but Harry just wants something to happen in some of those scenes. I don't like that about Harry in the last few films.

I am not in anyway claiming that Ron/Hermione don't have chemistry in the film. That has never made a bit of sense to me either. Also i don't know what you are talking about the 90s like things are all that different now.

PS. I am talking about the films here not the books.

Because the Dance has been danced for such a long time now (someone had to see that coming :D), let's take a seat and discuss this: Do you think the film adequately portrayed sexual tension between Ron and Hermione. I know this has been discussed, but I mean sexual tension in a more 17/18 year old way, rather than in the lets keep this movie PG way. I mentioned this in another thread, that I thought as brilliantly as Jo has given fiber to her characters (Ron and Hermione specifically) and made their interactions so realistic, I never understood how two full grown teenagers could have survived those long months in a tent with one another, and further still, arrive at Shell Cottage in eachothers arms and yet save their bubbling passion for a moment where Harry is witness.

Do the movies ever suggest that kind of repressed tension to you guys or is it more a sweet, longing looks sweet gestures type of a thing between R/Hr?

I think shyness was probably an obstacle for the two of them; they had been best friends for 6 to 7 years, and they were trying to make the transition to a romantic relationship, which I suppose would be a bit strange. They may also both have been afraid to make the first move, I suppose. Also, they may have been sharing a tent for months, but Harry was also there, and I think maybe that they didn't want to make him feel awkward, and that their priority was to find and destroy the Horcruxes. I know that any ordinary teenagers would have done something, but there's nothing ordinary about the situation they are in, in my opinion. Also, they were in love for some time, which, in my experience, is also not ordinary for teenagers (who usually start dating first, and later on fall in love, whereas Ron and Hermione had been best friends for years and somewhere along the line they fell in love).

I don't see it as saving "their bubbling passion for a moment where Harry is witness," though, I think that they just had a lot of things to worry about for a long time, and the kiss was just a spontaneous moment, during which they forgot about Harry for once, heh.

As for what I think the movies suggest, I think it's a bit of both, both repressed tension and sweet, romantic longing. I think they've done both well in the films, and those moments didn't seem forced, IMO (unlike the moments between Harry and Ginny, for example).

I think shyness was probably an obstacle for the two of them; they had been best friends for 6 to 7 years, and they were trying to make the transition to a romantic relationship, which I suppose would be a bit strange. They may also both have been afraid to make the first movie, I suppose. Also, they may have been sharing a tent for months, but Harry was also there, and I think maybe that they didn't want to make him feel awkward, and that their priority was to find and destroy the Horcruxes. I know that any ordinary teenagers would have done something, but there's nothing ordinary about the situation they are in, in my opinion. Also, they were in love for some time, which, in my experience, is also not ordinary for teenagers (who usually start dating first, and later on fall in love, whereas Ron and Hermione had been best friends for years and somewhere along the line they fell in love).

I don't see it as saving "their bubbling passion for a moment where Harry is witness," though, I think that they just had a lot of things to worry about for a long time, and the kiss was just a spontaneous moment, during which they forgot about Harry for once, heh.

As for what I think the movies suggest, I think it's a bit of both, both repressed tension and sweet, romantic longing. I think they've done both well in the films, and those moments didn't seem forced, IMO (unlike the moments between Harry and Ginny, for example).

Haha, I agree wholeheartedly. I am, as must have been obvious by now, a very happy supporter of the ron and hermione relationship. I find them and their equation particularly endearing, the stuff literary legends are made of. I agree with most of what you have said, and I agree that the kiss in the heat of the battle (especially after SPEW!) is so characteristic of them, yet, the only think I find strange is that they didn't progress after Malfoy Manor. Before that, I agree, Horcrux hunt, harry everything would impede. However, once Ron returns, and the entire torture sequence happens, I doubt either of them would have been in any doubt with respect to each others feelings (I mean they always have had an unspoken understanding anyway). Even in the book you can see traces of how obsessively protective Ron becomes of Hermione, and has no shame in it. There is a new found comfort, a more physically intimate comfort too, but it seems like they still haven't been able to cross that line per say.

I wonder if it was a conscious decision on their part to hold the talk till the battle was over, or if they just like always evaded the issue and gradually grew more and more comfortable with each other till they reached the heat of the battle and Hermione just had jump on Ron (and prove that it wasn't asking her to dance first that was the solution really;just wearing the SPEW badge would have sufficed :D)

May I remind everyone that CoS is a family friendly forum? Stick to the romance. If I see another post discussing the sexual life of teenagers, posts will be deleted and the poster may receive a warning point.

However, once Ron returns, and the entire torture sequence happens, I doubt either of them would have been in any doubt with respect to each others feelings (I mean they always have had an unspoken understanding anyway).
Well, in the movie versions, I think the undeniable reality of their love for each other is when Ron rejects Lavender asking for Herimone in the infirmary after taking the poison in HBP. DD: "Ohh, to be young and feel love's keen sting!" Ginny: "About time don't you think."

But noooo, they can't discuss it any further. :) It is sooo typical for those two. :elaugh:

However, once Ron returns, and the entire torture sequence happens, I doubt either of them would have been in any doubt with respect to each others feelings

The problem is in the movie Ron doesn't have any big moment in the Malfoy Manor scene. In the book he practically begged Bellatrix to take him instead of Hermione and then when Bellatrix still took Hermione Ron was distraught. He was completely unable to control his emotions as he listened to Hermione being tortured.

In the movie however Ron's reaction isn't much (if at all) worse than Harry's so it looks like Ron doesn't care about Hermione more than Harry does.

The problem is in the movie Ron doesn't have any big moment in the Malfoy Manor scene. In the book he practically begged Bellatrix to take him instead of Hermione and then when Bellatrix still took Hermione Ron was distraught. He was completely unable to control his emotions as he listened to Hermione being tortured.

In the movie however Ron's reaction isn't much (if at all) worse than Harry's so it looks like Ron doesn't care about Hermione more than Harry does.

I totally agree. I was quite astonished when Ron was so composed in the Malfoy cellar. I can only assume that the movie makers are hoping to spring Ron/Hermione on us at the end of DH2 as a big surprise. Are we meant to wonder if Ron's jealousy was based on fact? They seem to me to have been blurring the issue a bit with Harry/Hermione moments.

Not that the Ron/Hermione kiss (assuming we get it) is going to be like the book as the movies haven't mentioned SPEW and we don't know that Kreacher is at Hogwarts. My fear is that they'll concentrate entirely on the action in the last movie and leave the epilogue to sort out the romances, which would be a crying shame.

The problem is in the movie Ron doesn't have any big moment in the Malfoy Manor scene. In the book he practically begged Bellatrix to take him instead of Hermione and then when Bellatrix still took Hermione Ron was distraught. He was completely unable to control his emotions as he listened to Hermione being tortured.

In the movie however Ron's reaction isn't much (if at all) worse than Harry's so it looks like Ron doesn't care about Hermione more than Harry does.
Does Ron really ever show much emotional outbursts for Hermione in the movies? They seem to downplay Ron's emotions & rev-up Hermione on the emotional scale. Only the Horcrux effects seem to spill-out his emotions into jealousy in a raw sense.

The Malfoy Manor scene was definitely edited poorly by not using more close-up shots with Ron being much more emotional & intense. Again, the Director chooses to emphasize Hermione's extreme reactions to Bellatrix, rather than defuse focus on the R&H relationship & blending Ron's reactions up close & personal too.

In Trio mode it seems Ron is deemphasized more often than Harry & Hermione in all the movies. Ron's only lead role in "Trio mode" was leaving & returning in DH1. Wherever else was his character emphasized in Trio mode?

I think we are just using different words. I think that Harry wants something physical to happen in the films and, not that Ron and Hermione wouldn't mind that as well, but they want something more. I think their moments in the films, and there have been a lot of Ron/Hermione moments, have been more romantic in nature whereas Harry which is partially the fact that Daniel is terrible and it also may just be how the wrote it, but Harry just wants something to happen in some of those scenes. I don't like that about Harry in the last few films.

I am not in anyway claiming that Ron/Hermione don't have chemistry in the film. That has never made a bit of sense to me either. Also i don't know what you are talking about the 90s like things are all that different now.

PS. I am talking about the films here not the books.

please define what you mean by "Harry just wants something to happen in some of those scenes."

because if the implication is that harry wants to ( ), you and me are probably watching two completely different movies. (might be as my opinion of the trio's acting is high and favorable for all them- including radcliffe)

Lavender/ romilda/ mclaggen have "come hither faces"

in those scenes harry has "tired/morose" face.

the only exception i can think of that is the exception is the romilda in the library and even then it was a joke.


as for the 90's reference, things are different. more talk for one among many, but i'm dropping it at that.

All i am saying is that i think the Ron/Hermione moments are more romantic in nature then any scene involving Harry. I don't think that Daniel is all that good of an actor and has a hard time with the emotional scenes such as looking like he is in love and any sort of crying scenes. I think he is terrible at them in general. The thing is i can't be certain what the directors intentions were to be in those scenes so it may not be his fault.

I can't explain what i mean more then that. I thought we were allowed to still discuss what was meant as long as we weren't crass which i was trying not to be by dancing around the subject but i guess not.

That is just one of my issues with the films in general; Daniel's portrayal of romance. Which seems non existent to me.

Oh and one thing i have come to realize by reading this thread is that for the most part we all are watching completely different movies. That is sort of the nature of the discussion.

I totally agree. I was quite astonished when Ron was so composed in the Malfoy cellar. I can only assume that the movie makers are hoping to spring Ron/Hermione on us at the end of DH2 as a big surprise. Are we meant to wonder if Ron's jealousy was based on fact? They seem to me to have been blurring the issue a bit with Harry/Hermione moments.

Is it really going to be that much of a surprise, though? I mean, they had Ron and Hermione hugging/comforting each other all throughout DH 1. I thought it was kind of obvious that they liked each other. There have been hints throughout the series as well so I don't really know how non-book readers will react to them getting married, because I definitely picked those moments up.

Yeah I sort of think the Harry/Hermione moments are unnecassary. I ship R/Hr all the way but I didn't exactly see the dance as a romantic moment. However, they got a bit carried away because it looked to me like Harry and Hermione might kiss or something. Other than that, the film makers have been forshadowing R/Hr slightly.

Not that the Ron/Hermione kiss (assuming we get it) is going to be like the book as the movies haven't mentioned SPEW and we don't know that Kreacher is at Hogwarts. My fear is that they'll concentrate entirely on the action in the last movie and leave the epilogue to sort out the romances, which would be a crying shame.

Oh no, it's been confimed that they do kiss, but it isn't related to the house elves or SPEW. It's been moved to the Chamber of Secrets, but this way Harry can't interrupt them. The fact that the Epilogue is 2 minutes kind of worries me though. I really don't think that enough time, and it's already very short in the book.

Does Ron really ever show much emotional outbursts for Hermione in the movies? They seem to downplay Ron's emotions & rev-up Hermione on the emotional scale. Only the Horcrux effects seem to spill-out his emotions into jealousy in a raw sense.

The Malfoy Manor scene was definitely edited poorly by not using more close-up shots with Ron being much more emotional & intense. Again, the Director chooses to emphasize Hermione's extreme reactions to Bellatrix, rather than defuse focus on the R&H relationship & blending Ron's reactions up close & personal too.

In Trio mode it seems Ron is deemphasized more often than Harry & Hermione in all the movies. Ron's only lead role in "Trio mode" was leaving & returning in DH1. Wherever else was his character emphasized in Trio mode?


we'll have to agree to disagree here as I found Ron to have quite strong reaction in GoF, Ootp and DH part 1. in general and in regarding to Hermione. In Chamber of secrets too now that i think about the "EAT SLUGS! and wanting to pummel malfoy for hoping hermione died.
particularly Ootp. in fact I feel Ootp Was THE Ron movie *after sorcerer stone* (which may or may not be because of a different scriptwriter but...)

as far as "outbursts' i can very well remember Ron trying unsuccessfully to try to defend hermione from grawp (however played for laughs that was- ron's reaction is still a valid one) the eat slugs in CoS too...


As far as Ron in the trio mode- you seem to be forgetting that little scene at the beginning of DH part 1 where Ron stops harry from leaving. which i thought was a Fantastic, Strong reaction piece for Ron.

and, I might be wrong in this i dont have my dvd with me- But Harry didn't Run to hug hermione post- the arriving at the burrows part. He Run and glomped Ron. so did Hermione.
which leaves pretty clear to me in movie-verse that both harry and hermione care deeply for Ron and he is important to them.

as for Ron reaction to Hermione- well the scene of him leaving was very explicit about him doing it because he felt unwanted- specially by hermione.
in the movie he was the one to suggest hiding in grimauld place, he defends Hermione against kreacher insulting her....

and while his reaction in malfoy manor was not as hysterical as in the book he did reacted- much more strongly than Harry- who kept his head in his shoulder and just tried find a way out:

not as hysterical but Ron did shouted:

"Leave her!" to scabior manhandling hermione.

he obviously tried to break free when bellatrix orders them to be dragged to the cellar...
he shouted "let her go" obviously enraged at Wormtail and shouted "like hell"and disarmed Bellatrix before she could off hermione.

except for not screaming the cellar ron reaction is just like the book. focused- take-no-prisoners- think of hermione rescue.

in fact ron is the ACTIVE part in the malfoy manor while harry is more in the background. (still present but the "on the offensive" is ron)


what i think the problem is that ron's reaction are more subtle- and people confuse them with non-existant or that Ron doesn't react strongly to hermione

which he does.

also to consider that part 1 the violence was really toned down:
the bathilda scene, the killing of gregorovitch....

so it wasn't just on Ron.


so yeah except for the no-screaming at malfoy manor i think they did a Fantastic Job on Ron in DH. and in other movies- such as order of phoenix,
and to me he never missed being part of the trio.

I think the kiss sealed a agreement between them that they would wait for each other and i don't think Ginny would have kissed him if she believed he would go after other girls if given the opportunity.
As nothing is said at all in the film (which we're discussing), I don't think we can assume anything, in any direction, about what Harry & Ginny did or did not say about their relationship in the film. On the other side of the coin, the book does have Harry saying that long-term plans aren't on the table for him & Ginny. But the film gives us no implication either way, because not a word is said about it.

It is out of character because in the book Harry was completely focused on his own pain and as a result he was unable or unwilling to think of what Hermione was going through. In the book Harry didn't once try and cheer Hermione up as he was to busy focusing on his own pain. Harry trying to cheer Hermione up in the movie was out of character.
I have to take exception with the comment about book Harry in this instance. He does notice how upset she is, when she's crying & pretending to sleep, etc. Which is why he is careful to not mention Ron, because he thinks it would upset her even more. To be fair, Harry is a teenager with precious little experience with relationships, let alone what to do when a girl, whom he loves as a sister, is upset because the boy she loves left her despite her pleading with him to stay. In my opinion, it is very much in Harry's character to comfort Hermione if only he had a clue as to what to do that would have helped.

As nothing is said at all in the film (which we're discussing), I don't think we can assume anything, in any direction, about what Harry & Ginny did or did not say about their relationship in the film. On the other side of the coin, the book does have Harry saying that long-term plans aren't on the table for him & Ginny. But the film gives us no implication either way, because not a word is said about it.


It has to be assumed that they are still together in the movie as they were together at the end of HBP and they were still together at the start of DHP1. Nothing was mentioned about them breaking up meaning that (like i said) it has to be assumed they are still together.



I have to take exception with the comment about book Harry in this instance. He does notice how upset she is, when she's crying & pretending to sleep, etc. Which is why he is careful to not mention Ron, because he thinks it would upset her even more. To be fair, Harry is a teenager with precious little experience with relationships, let alone what to do when a girl, whom he loves as a sister, is upset because the boy she loves left her despite her pleading with him to stay. In my opinion, it is very much in Harry's character to comfort Hermione if only he had a clue as to what to do that would have helped.

I'll give you that point if you can find one quote where Hermione is upset and Harry realises this, wants to help but doesn't know how to.

When in the films did Harry and Ginny ever get together?

When in the films did Harry and Ginny ever get together?

Hermione confirms they are together at the end of HBP when she and Harry are talking and Ron is far behind them not being involved in the conversation.

No i don't think so. I think she only confirms that she knows Harry and Ginny kissed.

It has to be assumed that they are still together in the movie as they were together at the end of HBP and they were still together at the start of DHP1. Nothing was mentioned about them breaking up meaning that (like i said) it has to be assumed they are still together.




I'll give you that point if you can find one quote where Hermione is upset and Harry realises this, wants to help but doesn't know how to.

Oh I can do that perfectly:

she crouched down beside him, two cups of tea trembling in her hands and something bulky under her arm.

"Thanks," he said, taking one of the cups.
"Do you mind if I talk to you?"
"No," he said because he did not want to hurt her feelings.
You're still really angry at me, aren't you?" said Hermione; he looked up to see fresh tears leaking out of her eyes, and knew that his anger must have shown in his face.
"No," he said quietly. "No, Hermione, I know it was an accident. You were trying to get us out of there alive, and you were incredible. I'd be dead if you hadn't been there to help me."
He tried to return her watery smile, then turned his attention to the book.
(deathly hallows- Chapter Eighteen-The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore)

is that good enough for all of you?

No i don't think so. I think she only confirms that she knows Harry and Ginny kissed.

Hermione also confirms that Harry and Ginny plan on doing more snogging in the future. That sounds like a relationship to me (especially given that Ron and the other Weasley's would never let Harry snog Ginny if he wasn't going out with her).

Oh I can do that perfectly:

she crouched down beside him, two cups of tea trembling in her hands and something bulky under her arm.

"Thanks," he said, taking one of the cups.
"Do you mind if I talk to you?"
"No," he said because he did not want to hurt her feelings.
You're still really angry at me, aren't you?" said Hermione; he looked up to see fresh tears leaking out of her eyes, and knew that his anger must have shown in his face.
"No," he said quietly. "No, Hermione, I know it was an accident. You were trying to get us out of there alive, and you were incredible. I'd be dead if you hadn't been there to help me."
He tried to return her watery smile, then turned his attention to the book.
(deathly hallows- Chapter Eighteen-The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore)

is that good enough for all of you?

Not really as that scene had nothing to do with Ron. Instead it was Harry sort of apologising for being a complete [staff edit] to Hermione even though she had done nothing wrong.

Hermione also confirms that Harry and Ginny plan on doing more snogging in the future. That sounds like a relationship to me (especially given that Ron and the other Weasley's would never let Harry snog Ginny if he wasn't going out with her).

I am sorry but i think all that the scene confirms is the fact that Harry does like Ginny. It does not confirm that they are in anyway officially a couple or are dating or anything. There is nothing in the films to suggest that in my opinion. I think they really dropped the ball with the Harry/Ginny stuff.

I am sorry but i think all that the scene confirms is the fact that Harry does like Ginny. It does not confirm that they are in anyway officially a couple or are dating or anything. There is nothing in the films to suggest that in my opinion. I think they really dropped the ball with the Harry/Ginny stuff.

George's reaction to Harry and Ginny kissing in DHP1 seems to indicate that he thought Harry and Ginny were a couple as well. I think in this case their actions speak louder than words and if you take their actions into account it certainly looks like they are dating.

Hermione also confirms that Harry and Ginny plan on doing more snogging in the future. That sounds like a relationship to me (especially given that Ron and the other Weasley's would never let Harry snog Ginny if he wasn't going out with her).



Not really as that scene had nothing to do with Ron. Instead it was Harry sort of apologising for being a complete [staff edit] to Hermione even though she had done nothing wrong.

Oh you did not said that. you didn't mentione the Ron situation.

you said:
"where Hermione is upset and Harry realises this, wants to help but doesn't know how to"

you didn't said "Hermione is upset because Ron left....."

you asked for "hermione upset- and harry realizes this..." quote

which i did give you.

which also proves that while not talking about Ron, Hermione and Harry did interacted with each other, and that Harry managed to get a smile out of hermione in the books

which contradicts the claim that Harry and Hermione didn't spoke to each other at all after ron left. or that Harry didn't tried to cheer up hermione after ron left.

he might not have done it in regard to Ron, but he did weakly tried to not have hermione feel miserable.


also here's food for thought- Harry and hermione still wear the locket....

the locket brings out the worse in you- In Ron's case jealousy and insecurity,
In Harry's case Anger and lack of empathy.

and if not the locket- let's also consider that Harry has a piece of voldemort's soul inside of him- which does resurface (parselmouth- mental connection)

and when is harry most affected by voldemort? when he's emotionally vulnerable,

case in point- when he is tricked/then possessed by Voldemort he is worried for Sirius or beside himself with anger at bellatrix.

Here he is tired and angry and frustrated at dumbledore, and still hurting from Ron's leaving.

perfect for the piece of voldemort's soul to influence him.

and what is one thing voldemort does not understand? love, friendship and empathy.

so it wouldn't surprise me if it feed of harry being depressed and influenced him to not act on his compassionate side. Which he does have, and has shown towards Hermione in the past.
(book 3- hermione being workoholic and not talking to ron, book 6- ron and hermione fight- he actually seeks her out twice to see if she's okay)

George's reaction to Harry and Ginny kissing in DHP1 seems to indicate that he thought Harry and Ginny were a couple as well. I think in this case their actions speak louder than words and if you take their actions into account it certainly looks like they are dating.

I don't think that scene confirms they are dating either. If anything George's expression is what is older brother i am watching you look. I think that while they kiss a couple of times there is no other indication that they are dating in any way. What i mean by dating too is that they not yet official and instead just in the pre dating talking as we say.

I think we might just have different interpretation of when someone is officially a couple and for me it is when you have a discussion and decide you are officially a couple and i see no evidence of that in the film. As far as we know Harry and Ginny have barely had conversations.

Oh you did not said that. you didn't mentione the Ron situation.

you said:
"where Hermione is upset and Harry realises this, wants to help but doesn't know how to"

you didn't said "Hermione is upset because Ron left....."

you asked for "hermione upset- and harry realizes this..." quote

which i did give you.


Except we were directly talking about Hermione being upset because Ron left. Just because i didn't state it directly doesn't mean i didn't think that people wouldn't follow the conversation i was having and not just look at a single post i made. You could have found a quote from OotP where Harry says sorry to Hermione and it would have been just as relevant to the quote you posted.


he might not have done it in regard to Ron, but he did weakly tried to not have hermione feel miserable.


Except Harry was the reason for Hermione crying in that instance. Had Harry been reasonable and accepted that yes Hermione destroyed his wand but she didn't do it on purpose (she did it to save his life) then Harry wouldn't have needed to apologise.

It has to be assumed that they are still together in the movie as they were together at the end of HBP and they were still together at the start of DHP1. Nothing was mentioned about them breaking up meaning that (like i said) it has to be assumed they are still together.
Except in the film, they weren't really together in HBP (as in dating), and in DH1, they don't even kiss out in the open -- if someone had been around, that scene wouldn't have happened. Something is definitely starting, but there's no implication that I can see that they committed to "wait for each other". But I agree under the circumstances, Harry wouldn't pursue anyone else, either, let alone sisterly Hermione.


I'll give you that point if you can find one quote where Hermione is upset and Harry realises this, wants to help but doesn't know how to.

I'm not going to try to defend Harry's wanting to help people, as this is a guy who risks his own life to save someone he dislikes intensely (Draco). So I have no doubt he would have helped Hermione if he'd known what to do. Both quotes are from DH.

He and Hermione ate breakfast in silence. Hermione's eyes were puffy and red; she looked as if she had not slept. They packed up their things, Hermione dawdling. Harry knew why she wanted to spin out their time on the riverbank; several times he saw her look up eagerly, and he was sure she had deluded herself into thinking she had heard footsteps in the heavy rain, but no red-haired figure appeared among the trees.
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(When Hermione gives Harry Rita's book about Dumbledore, he sees Dumbledore's picture and is angry about everything Dumbledore didn't tell him about Godric's Hollow):

"You're still angry with me, aren't you?" said Hermione; he looked up to see fresh tears leaking out of her eyes, and knew that his anger must have shown in his face.

"No," he said quietly. "No, Hermione, I know it was an accident. You were trying to get us out of there alive, and you were incredible. I'd be dead if you hadn't been there to help me." He tried to return her watery smile, then he turned his attention to the book.

Except we were directly talking about Hermione being upset because Ron left. Just because i didn't state it directly doesn't mean i didn't think that people wouldn't follow the conversation i was having and not just look at a single post i made. You could have found a quote from OotP where Harry says sorry to Hermione and it would have been just as relevant to the quote you posted.



Except Harry was the reason for Hermione crying in that instance. Had Harry been reasonable and accepted that yes Hermione destroyed his wand but she didn't do it on purpose (she did it to save his life) then Harry wouldn't have needed to apologise.

that still doesn't deny the fact harry did/said something to try to make her feel better.

you might not be the one who started the claim- but one of the arguments that have been used against the dance scene is that Harry and Hermione didn't interacted at all, pulled out of their depression at ron leaving, till ron came back. that they just hurdled in a corner separately unless the plot required it (godric hollow- bathilda bagshot scene)

which, as I have shown is not the case-

Harry did said something nice to Hermione to make her feel better regardless of it being his fault or not, and did not just ignore Hermione and disregarded her feeling because he was too busy with his own- like someone claimed.

the fact that he knows he messed up, apologized to Hermione and made her smile and let her know he was grateful is considered being aware of the other person's feelings.

I'm not going to try to defend Harry's wanting to help people, as this is a guy who risks his own life to save someone he dislikes intensely (Draco). So I have no doubt he would have helped Hermione if he'd known what to do. Both quotes are from DH.

He and Hermione ate breakfast in silence. Hermione's eyes were puffy and red; she looked as if she had not slept. They packed up their things, Hermione dawdling. Harry knew why she wanted to spin out their time on the riverbank; several times he saw her look up eagerly, and he was sure she had deluded herself into thinking she had heard footsteps in the heavy rain, but no red-haired figure appeared among the trees.


Harry may recognise that Hermione spent most of the night crying but he doesn't make any sort of effort to cheer her up. He doesn't even think that he wishes he knew how to cheer her up.

that still doesn't deny the fact harry did/said something to try to make her feel better.

you might not be the one who started the claim- but one of the arguments that have been used against the dance scene is that Harry and Hermione didn't interacted at all, pulled out of their depression at ron leaving, till ron came back. that they just hurdled in a corner separately unless the plot required it (godric hollow- bathilda bagshot scene)

which, as I have shown is not the case-

Harry did said something nice to Hermione to make her feel better regardless of it being his fault or not, and did not just ignore Hermione and disregarded her feeling because he was too busy with his own- like someone claimed.

the fact that he knows he messed up, apologized to Hermione and made her smile and let her know he was grateful is considered being aware of the other person's feelings.

Harry did nothing to try and improve Hermione's mood as a result of Ron leaving. In fact the first thing Harry did after Ron left was to throw Ron's blanket on top of Hermione. How would having Ron's blanket on her help Hermione feel better, in fact it is likely to make her feel worse.

Harry knew that Hermione was crying herself to sleep (he told Ron himself) but he did nothing to prevent it (to improve Hermione's mood).

Harry may recognise that Hermione spent most of the night crying but he doesn't make any sort of effort to cheer her up. He doesn't even think that he wishes he knew how to cheer her up.

If I might suggest, I think you're overlooking the fact that Harry's paying attention to Hermione, he understands how upset she is, and why she's hanging around taking her time packing. He knows she's desparately hoping she's heard footsteps nearby, and that it's Ron coming back. That's pretty observant, in my book, particularly for a 17-year old guy. He notices because he cares about Hermione. But as there's no way Harry can make Ron appear, there's no way he can fix this for her. He knows what will help is for Ron to come back.

In the second quote, when he realizes his anger with Dumbledore has been interpreted by Hermione as anger at her, he takes his time to make sure she knows that's not the case, and to tell her how much he appreciates what she did for him at Godric's Hollow.

Harry may recognise that Hermione spent most of the night crying but he doesn't make any sort of effort to cheer her up. He doesn't even think that he wishes he knew how to cheer her up.



Harry did nothing to try and improve Hermione's mood as a result of Ron leaving. In fact the first thing Harry did after Ron left was to throw Ron's blanket on top of Hermione. How would having Ron's blanket on her help Hermione feel better, in fact it is likely to make her feel worse.

Harry knew that Hermione was crying herself to sleep (he told Ron himself) but he did nothing to prevent it (to improve Hermione's mood).

I used stuff from the book to show that Harry did tried to improve Hermione's mood. It might not be related to Ron, it might have been his own fault, but he did tried to do it- and barely suceeded

the way you're refuting people's arguments makes it seem that unless it involved Ron harry couldn't cheer up Hermione.

by that I'm not saying that they would be fine and dandy with ron left. i'm not. I'm not denying they were miserable.

but the thing seems to have turned into "harry never considered hermione's feeling/ being miserable and tried to cheer her up" ron or no Ron.


additionally, while this is not direct evidence to the contrary;

"He watched her, supposing that he ought to go and comfort her, but something kept him rooted to the spot. Everything inside him felt cold and tight..."

it does seems to support my theory that Harry wants to help but is either influenced by the locket (the same way ron was) or influenced by the piece of voldemort's soul inside him that hates any kind of love and compassion and empathy.

Because the Dance has been danced for such a long time now (someone had to see that coming :D), let's take a seat and discuss this: Do you think the film adequately portrayed sexual tension between Ron and Hermione. I know this has been discussed, but I mean sexual tension in a more 17/18 year old way, rather than in the lets keep this movie PG way. I mentioned this in another thread, that I thought as brilliantly as Jo has given fiber to her characters (Ron and Hermione specifically) and made their interactions so realistic, I never understood how two full grown teenagers could have survived those long months in a tent with one another, and further still, arrive at Shell Cottage in eachothers arms and yet save their bubbling passion for a moment where Harry is witness.

Do the movies ever suggest that kind of repressed tension to you guys or is it more a sweet, longing looks sweet gestures type of a thing between R/Hr?

I think the films have generally done a good job of making R\Hr a sweet romance. There a tons of shy smiles and tender looks, but very little of what I would call sexual tension...repressed or otherwise. Of course JKR kept it that way through the series until the kiss in DH.

There seems to be a much more emotional attraction between Ron and Hermione than what I would call a strong physical attraction. They start out as friends and then fall in love. I think JKR wanted us to see them grow into their romance. But Ron was unsure of himself and Hermione was "stand-offish" most of the time and this is what JKR used to stretch it out to the very last. (A little too long, IMHO.) That is why some ppl may find it hard to understand how the "camping trip" in DH didn't end up with an obvious R\Hr romance.

I think JKR found she had a hit with the R\Hr storyline and decided to take it to the limit. Plus she put in Ron's leaving to throw another roadblock in the way the same way she used the fight over Krum from GOF through OoTP and Lavender in HBP. You might notice that most of these can be blamed on Ron rather than Hermione. I don't want to say JKR was really trying to make Ron responsible for all these problems but it can be seen that way, IMHO. But you could also say that Hermione's tendency to be very unforgiving when it came to Ron (ignoring Ron for weeks during "Lavender" and staying angry when Ron returned in DH) did not help.

I think the films have generally done a good job of making R\Hr a sweet romance. There a tons of shy smiles and tender looks, but very little of what I would call sexual tension...repressed or otherwise. Of course JKR kept it that way through the series until the kiss in DH.

There seems to be a much more emotional attraction between Ron and Hermione than what I would call a strong physical attraction. They start out as friends and then fall in love. I think JKR wanted us to see them grow into their romance. But Ron was unsure of himself and Hermione was "stand-offish" most of the time and this is what JKR used to stretch it out to the very last. (A little too long, IMHO.) That is why some ppl may find it hard to understand how the "camping trip" in DH didn't end up with an obvious R\Hr romance.

I think JKR found she had a hit with the R\Hr storyline and decided to take it to the limit. Plus she put in Ron's leaving to throw another roadblock in the way the same way she used the fight over Krum from GOF through OoTP and Lavender in HBP. You might notice that most of these can be blamed on Ron rather than Hermione. I don't want to say JKR was really trying to make Ron responsible for all these problems but it can be seen that way, IMHO. But you could also say that Hermione's tendency to be very unforgiving when it came to Ron (ignoring Ron for weeks during "Lavender" and staying angry when Ron returned in DH) did not help.

I think the main reason for that is that when it comes to each other- Ron and Hermione wear their heart on their sleeves. Because they care so much and so deeply for each other, being hurt by the other person is such a crime because when being hurt they were putting their emotions out there for the other one, but both of them keep mixing the other person's signals.

also people have to remember that, they same way they can hurt each other so badly, they protect each other to that same intensity.

let anyone else say something bad about the other and ron and Hermione will maul them.

Do you think the film adequately portrayed sexual tension between Ron and Hermione. I know this has been discussed, but I mean sexual tension in a more 17/18 year old way, rather than in the lets keep this movie PG way.

Do the movies ever suggest that kind of repressed tension to you guys or is it more a sweet, longing looks sweet gestures type of a thing between R/Hr?

The second option. But even though it's not exactly realistic, I kind of prefer it that way

I love the music that is playing in the background during Ron's speech, its sooo romantic and how the camera shows Hermione reaction. I thought Hermione was going to kiss Ron in that moment haha but of course she has to show some pride :)

Because the Dance has been danced for such a long time now (someone had to see that coming :D), let's take a seat and discuss this: Do you think the film adequately portrayed sexual tension between Ron and Hermione. I know this has been discussed, but I mean sexual tension in a more 17/18 year old way, rather than in the lets keep this movie PG way. I mentioned this in another thread, that I thought as brilliantly as Jo has given fiber to her characters (Ron and Hermione specifically) and made their interactions so realistic, I never understood how two full grown teenagers could have survived those long months in a tent with one another, and further still, arrive at Shell Cottage in eachothers arms and yet save their bubbling passion for a moment where Harry is witness.

Do the movies ever suggest that kind of repressed tension to you guys or is it more a sweet, longing looks sweet gestures type of a thing between R/Hr?

I feel the need to point out that not all 17/18 yr olds would feel the need to act on such feelings. Not everyone feels the need to immediately reach over and snog their crush, ESPECIALLY if it is their best friend. I think that the fact that it took so log makes sense, because in their situation, they most likely were cautious in their movements because they did not want to ruin their friendship for a possibly failed romance.

Also, I don't know if anybody else noticed, but they were in the middle of a war. I would guess that while they were in the tent looking for horcruxes, they may have been mildly distracted. Not to say that they weren't during the Battle, but as Ron said, it was one of those kind of 'now or never moments'.

As far as Ron in the trio mode- you seem to be forgetting that little scene at the beginning of DH part 1 where Ron stops harry from leaving. which i thought was a Fantastic, Strong reaction piece for Ron.
By Trio mode, I mean when all three are actively present in the scene together.
what i think the problem is that ron's reaction are more subtle- and people confuse them with non-existant or that Ron doesn't react strongly to hermione
I should have been more clear, when I said he does not "outburst" like Hermione does. I meant to specifically direct that "outburst" about their "love relationship". In other words, the topic is just about their relationship. Yes, in GoF Ron gets upset, but, once again, Hermione rules those scenes by far and away. Remember, I'm saying Hermione is more revved-up in every instance where their romance & some outburst is at issue. This has nothing to do with Ron "defending" Hermione, because it is not between the two of them & their interactions directly. Hermione is the main role in their relationship in the sense it is always revved-up & outdoing Ron regarding outbursts & emotions. Hermione is the star attraction that is more explosive & interesting in this context vs Ron, imo. Of course, as I mentioned in the original post, except when Ron leaves & returns in DH1. In those scenes in Trio mode Ron is the star outshining both Hermione & Harry. Hermione still steals part of Ron's moment though, when he says "Hey" on return, and Hermione revs-up with her passionate love-anger scene. :lol:

By Trio mode, I mean when all three are actively present in the scene together.

I should have been more clear, when I said he does not "outburst" like Hermione does. I meant to specifically direct that "outburst" about their "love relationship". In other words, the topic is just about their relationship. Yes, in GoF Ron gets upset, but, once again, Hermione rules those scenes by far and away. Remember, I'm saying Hermione is more revved-up in every instance where their romance & some outburst is at issue. This has nothing to do with Ron "defending" Hermione, because it is not between the two of them & their interactions directly. Hermione is the main role in their relationship in the sense it is always revved-up & outdoing Ron regarding outbursts & emotions. Hermione is the star attraction that is more explosive & interesting in this context vs Ron, imo.


i see.

Well in that case the only answer i can think of is that they played up Ron being insecure about Hermione loving him.
yet it still very clear that he loves Hermione deeply by the way he looks at her and defends her.

and it's not really out of tune for Hermione being the more active one- as she was the one who initiated their first kiss.

(to which i hope is like that in the movie as it would leave quite clear, once and for all to those who deny it, that Hermione is in love with ron. and ron with her.

but part of me kind of hopes it's a "both of them lean in and touch lips at the same time" kind of kiss
as it leaves them as equals

[QUOTE=wandrider;5734042]By Trio mode, I mean when all three are actively present in the scene together.


in regard to that i would still say Ootp was the best in Ron 'trio mode" as well as philosopher stone

Not really as that scene had nothing to do with Ron. .

GingerCat, I think you just dont want to admit that harry is capable of being kind and understanding towards Hermione. For several posts you went on and on about how harry was busy only beign angry with hermione for breaking his wand. And when someone posts a passage from book showing that once harry realised that Hermione is under the impression that harry is angry over the wand he assured her that he wasnt and that he was grateful for her help without whom he would be dead, you compeltely and totally disregard it saying that doesnt matter because its not related to Ron. Why should EVERYTHING between harry/hermione be related to Ron?? Jo certainly hasnt written their relationship in the BOOKS to revolve around Ron..

the author has written several times, infact more times than required about Harry noticing how upset hermione is.. and how he WANTS to comfort her.. but doesnt because the cruel words' Ron spoke while leaving them and his face stops harry from doing so.. and he knows if he tries to comfort hermione.. somehow Ron's topic would come.. nowhere in the BOOK does it imply that harry DOESN'T CARE for hermione's pain. he cares very much.. and admitting it doesnt have a damn thing to do about shipping..

Jo has apparently said that why couldnt she think of writing a scene such as the dance.. because it probably showed her a way of harry comforting hermione (As he very much wanted to in the BOOKS) without bringing Ron in between. I have no doubt that you will think Jo was lying or just trying to be nice as you have said so in the past.. and as it is your right to not believe her when it suits you.. i believe that she might indeed have liked that scene.

Jo has said several times how Steve Kloves has got the core of her characters RIGHT. again you may not believe her (i m not assuming to know you will not believe her.. but am stating it only because you haev said plenty of times how you dont believe Jo is being truthful in her complements to all things films).. but she has no need of repeating it all the time how much steve kloves understands her characters.. So she doesnt think harry incapable of comforting hermione.



Instead it was Harry sort of apologising for being a complete arse to Hermione even though she had done nothing wrong

No it was not.. this is you twisting the scene to make harry look bad.

GingerCat, I think you just dont want to admit that harry is capable of being kind and understanding towards Hermione.

He can be but in this case he wasn't. Harry was far to focused on his own pain to even consider helping Hermione with hers. Now i am not criticising Harry for this as Hermione didn't help him with his pain either but my point is that in the book Harry did not help Hermione with what she was going through and Harry doing so in the movie was out of character for him.

He can be but in this case he wasn't. Harry was far to focused on his own pain to even consider helping Hermione with hers. Now i am not criticising Harry for this as Hermione didn't help him with his pain either but my point is that in the book Harry did not help Hermione with what she was going through and Harry doing so in the movie was out of character for him.


I think Harry is polite, and kind and compassionate, but he doesn't always know what to do. Especially with girls, and certainly not Hermione. Hermione always seems to bemuse Harry to some extent.

I think Harry is polite, and kind and compassionate, but he doesn't always know what to do. Especially with girls, and certainly not Hermione. Hermione always seems to bemuse Harry to some extent.

Harry should know Hermione and Ron better than he knows anyone.

I could easily sympathise with Harry if he internally thought that Hermione was miserable and he wanted to make her happier but he just didn't know how but the problem is that he didn't even think that.

I never had a problem with this either until DHP1 as i understood that Harry himself was also feeling a lot of pain and loss but in DHP1 they acted like 1. Harry either didn't care about Ron leaving or 2. he was able to put that aside and help Hermione. In the book neither of those things happened as Harry was not able to put his own emotions aside and help Hermione and having Harry do that in the movie is out of character for him just like how in GoF it was out of character for Harry to be revving up the crowd when he got the egg after the first task.

I agree that both the dance scene and the scene where Harry is revving up the crowd are out of character for Harry.

He can be but in this case he wasn't. Harry was far to focused on his own pain to even consider helping Hermione with hers. Now i am not criticising Harry for this as Hermione didn't help him with his pain either but my point is that in the book Harry did not help Hermione with what she was going through and Harry doing so in the movie was out of character for him.

I disagree.. if harry was sooo focused as you said on his own pain he would have not noticed hermione being upset so often in the BOOKS. But it was Ron's accusations over his and hermione's relationship that kept him rooted to the spot when he wants to comfort hermione in the BOOKS.. Jo may not have written a scene exactly like the dance one.. but its certainly not out of character... it would be out of character if you show a person do somehting that is not inherent in his nature.. I dont think harry doesnt care if hermione is in pain.. so i dont think its out of character.. and allow me to remind you that harry is NOT the cause for hermione's pain here nor is hermione the cause for harry's pain.. they are both dealing with the situation the best they can while still being there for each other.. the person who is responsible miraculously goes scott free as always.. and hermione is expected to jump into his arms the minute he returns.. harry and hermione are under the same external effects as Ron was .. i.e the locket horcrux.. and harry more so.. becasue he had 1 voldemort soul ALL the time with him and 2 on the occasions he wore locket the frequency of which increased once Ron was not there to share that burden..

So with voldemort, his horcruxes, his mind connection with voldy and overal pressure of being the saviour of wizarding world looming over him,., add to it his friend's betrayal.. i think harry did a remarkable job of keeping his negative emotions to himself..

Harry should know Hermione and Ron better than he knows anyone.

I could easily sympathise with Harry if he internally thought that Hermione was miserable and he wanted to make her happier but he just didn't know how but the problem is that he didn't even think that.


I'm sorry to say that I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I really don't understand, though, how the 2 quotes provided about how Harry is paying attention to Hermione during the period in question in DH don't convince you to allow that Harry does care very much about Hermione, but was at a loss as to what to do -- especially when the only thing that would help Hermione feel better at that point is bringing Ron back....which was impossible.

I disagree.. if harry was sooo focused as you said on his own pain he would have not noticed hermione being upset so often in the BOOKS.

I am not talking about most situations here. I am specifically talking about the weeks after Ron left during the hunt. I agree that under normal circumstances Harry will at least make some effort to improve Hermione's mood but these circumstances were different as Harry was almost as miserable as Hermione was and even though he knew Hermione was suffering as well his pain overwhelmed him and as a result he couldn't spend much time thinking about Hermione's pain. Had Harry not cared that Ron had left i am sure he would have been able to try and make Hermione feel better.

Personally, I think it would have been 'out of character' for Harry to try and approach Hermione directly about her feelings and woes. I don't think he would have the slightest idea how to go about that. However, I think trying to comfort her under the 'cover' of a silly dance is much more within his zone of comfort. That a 'moment' came up, unforseen, unplanned, but then abandoned doesn't diminish this act for me.

I'm sorry to say that I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I really don't understand, though, how the 2 quotes provided about how Harry is paying attention to Hermione during the period in question in DH don't convince you to allow that Harry does care very much about Hermione, but was at a loss as to what to do -- especially when the only thing that would help Hermione feel better at that point is bringing Ron back....which was impossible.

The quote with Harry apologising is pointless as he was saying sorry for something that he did to Hermione, something that he was clearly in the wrong for. It had absolutely nothing to do with Hermione feeling terrible for Ron leaving (and in fact happened probably a month after Ron left).

As for the other quote yes Harry recognises what Hermione is feeling but at no stage does he attempt to make her feel better. If he recognised it and then wished he knew what to say to make her feel better then we would not be having this conversation.

I am not talking about most situations here. I am specifically talking about the weeks after Ron left during the hunt..

Even I am not talking about most situations here. I am talking about the weeks after Ron left where the author has several mentions of harry noticing hermione's state and thinking of comforting her and being unable to do so.

This is the last I am commenting here. you are determined to not see harry in good light.

Even I am not talking about most situations here. I am talking about the weeks after Ron left where the author has several mentions of harry noticing hermione's state and thinking of comforting her and being unable to do so.


Again. I ask for examples of Harry seeing that Hermione is upset with the Ron situation and thinking that he would like to comfort her and being unable to do so.


This is the last I am commenting here. you are determined to not see harry in good light.


I don't mind seeing Harry in a good light. I just object to people seeing Harry as perfect or without fault or blame for anything he did. I really couldn't understand how anyone could defend Harry's use of the Cruciatus Curse on another person when the curse requires hate to successfully perform it but there were plenty of people defending him saying that what he did was justified under the circumstances and does not reflect negatively on Harry's character.

As for the other quote yes Harry recognises what Hermione is feeling but at no stage does he attempt to make her feel better. If he recognised it and then wished he knew what to say to make her feel better then we would not be having this conversation.

Well I am breaking my resolution to not comment here.. but this is rich..
in the above comment you are saying that harry recognising how hermione is feeling is not important as he doesnt make any attempt to make her feel better...

But just a few posts before you said

I could easily sympathise with Harry if he internally thought that Hermione was miserable and he wanted to make her happier but he just didn't know how but the problem is that he didn't even think that.

And when someone proves that harry did internally think that hermione was misrable and wanted to comfort her but didnt know how.. you suddenly do an about turn and say... it doesnt matter because harry doesnt DO anything..

This just about proves to me that any argument over this is Futile because you have made up your mind and no amount of versions of this thread is going to make a difference..


I really couldn't understand how anyone could defend Harry's use of the Cruciatus Curse on another person when the curse requires hate to successfully perform it but there were plenty of people defending him saying that what he did was justified under the circumstances and does not reflect negatively on Harry's character.
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Since harry usign curciatus curse is not a romantic situation I dont think that is part of this thread.. and I have never been to a thread that discusses harry's use of cruciatus curse.. so I dont know what you are talkign about.. but if there is one character who is never excused of doing anything wrong its harry.. i dont think i have ever said harry is perfect not has any other harry's fan.. and if you have come across comments where4 FEW harry's fans defend him everywhere.. then its the same case as you defending EVERY action of Ron.. i am sure such fans of all characters exist.. but among all characters.. harry is the least excused character..

I am this time officially done with this thread

Well I am breaking my resolution to not comment here.. but this is rich..
in the above comment you are saying that harry recognising how hermione is feeling is not important as he doesnt make any attempt to make her feel better...


The only example you can come up with is one said a month after Ron leaves and the conversation isn't even about Ron.

Again. I ask for examples of Harry seeing that Hermione is upset with the Ron situation and thinking that he would like to comfort her and being unable to do so.



I don't mind seeing Harry in a good light. I just object to people seeing Harry as perfect or without fault or blame for anything he did. I really couldn't understand how anyone could defend Harry's use of the Cruciatus Curse on another person when the curse requires hate to successfully perform it but there were plenty of people defending him saying that what he did was justified under the circumstances and does not reflect negatively on Harry's character.



I would amend that. You do not seem adverse to seeing Harry in a good light. However, it does seem you are adverse to seeing him in certain good lights that others do see. No offense or anything. The difference being what one sees as a negative behavior. It's not like folks are excusing his behavior for inappropriately 'hitting' on Hermione, because they don't see that he did. They, and I don't see that he did anything of fault or blame in the dance scene. I think that's part of the big difference in points of view. Some people see the scene and ascribe different motives to it. We don't agree on those motives, it's quite apparent.

Again. I ask for examples of Harry seeing that Hermione is upset with the Ron situation and thinking that he would like to comfort her and being unable to do so.
I think the scene where they dance is a pretty good example of that.

I think the scene where they dance is a pretty good example of that.



And doing it in a way he knew how. Or hoped.

We're back and open for DH2 romantic moments as well. It seems it's for particular a kiss once more which got our attention...

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I haven't seen the movie yet but I hope the Ron/Hermione kiss is very cute and all their little moments <3

Finally they get together in this one :)

^ I am to be honest a big big Ron and Hermione shipper but for me the kiss was such a let down. And I feel really sad about it because I was hoping it would be adorable and sweet. Mainly Ron's head blocking it was annoying especially after Emma and Rupert kept saying how awkward it was. Technically seeing this movie on screen all they had to do is touch lips and that's that. Of course the embrace was cute but like all other HP kisses you didn't get to see much. D:
Also the giggling afterwards. I don't know if I want to find it cute or random and weird. For Hermione I think it was def appropriate but Ron, yeah not so much.

Who else thought it was adorable when they came into the Great Hall after the Battle and held hands? That was my favorite moment. OVerall though to be quite honest I liked the subtle building up of their relationship in Part 1 a lot better.
+ I thought it was just silly how Ron ran after Draco and screamed something about how Draco should leave alone his girlfriend. Even though I actually laughed at this I thought it was weird.

I liked the moments between Ron and Hermoine :) I am a shipper of them and would always be :D

Loved the kiss scene between them. So cute and adorable. I cheered and whistled, clapped when they kissed. :D So adorable to see them holding hands at the end after the battle. :)

I liked the moments between Ron and Hermoine :) I am a shipper of them and would always be :D

Loved the kiss scene between them. So cute and adorable. I cheered and whistled, clapped when they kissed. :D So adorable to see them holding hands at the end after the battle. :)

Now that's more like it

^ well yeah I guess it was cute. I mean it's not like you could see anything of it but sure it was a cute moment. I was just saying that it was a let down. I thought they would do it differently.
Other than that the hands holding and the hugs and stolen looks were adorable and just perfect.

Well on that front, the canonicity of the ship aside, I thought Neville/Luna came off well. Yeah, Neville's line was a bit out there, but that shot of them sitting together in the end sort of captured the potential the ship had before it got sunk 4 years ago. And if Movie Luna wasn't going to end up Movie Harry, then I'm not adverse to some well-done spare-pairing.

I loved the Ron and Hermione kissed! It got the loudest cheer from me :D It was so adorable and cute and the music in the background just after was so fitting. The giggle afterwards was also adorable. SQUEEEEEEEEE.

I loved all their little scenes afterwards. Ron's 'THATS MY GIRLFRIEEEEEEEEEND' and their holding hands scene at the end! I also liked how Harry walked out and they were on the stairs together and they looked very close. Ron was sitting down and Hermione was comforting him.

So happy with the Ron and Hermione turn-out :)

^ I am to be honest a big big Ron and Hermione shipper but for me the kiss was such a let down. And I feel really sad about it because I was hoping it would be adorable and sweet. Mainly Ron's head blocking it was annoying especially after Emma and Rupert kept saying how awkward it was. Technically seeing this movie on screen all they had to do is touch lips and that's that. Of course the embrace was cute but like all other HP kisses you didn't get to see much. D:
Also the giggling afterwards. I don't know if I want to find it cute or random and weird. For Hermione I think it was def appropriate but Ron, yeah not so much.

Who else thought it was adorable when they came into the Great Hall after the Battle and held hands? That was my favorite moment. OVerall though to be quite honest I liked the subtle building up of their relationship in Part 1 a lot better.
+ I thought it was just silly how Ron ran after Draco and screamed something about how Draco should leave alone his girlfriend. Even though I actually laughed at this I thought it was weird.

I totally understand what you mean!!
I feel the same way not that i don't think the kiss was cute because it was! Only it could be better! and than you see all those interviews about rupert and emma saying: 'it was akward' but the only thing they do is touching eachothers lips haha.
I'm happy that i'm not the only one who feels the same way about the kiss.

For me was it more that I didn't saw it coming on that moment! It went way to fast! It's just they get wet they look one sec at eachother and BAM! It is that i knew that it would be in that place so it wasn't unexpectid for me.
Well i thought it was very cute when Ron ran after Draco about his girlfriend. all those scenes with Ron and Hermione were adorable. Yeah they hold hands! So cute!! But than Harry came.. (he always comes when there is a R/H moment) You can see so much that Hermione is happy to finally be Ron's GF and Ron being proud to be Hermione's BF. It's just that you know that this was it and we won't see more R/H scenes.. That makes me very sad :'(.
Best couple ever! <3

Also, on top of these hand-holding and kissing 'squee' moments I would like to add how adorable Hermione's reaction was to Ron remembering what she said about the Marauder's Map and the Room of Requirement. "Brilliant!" That got quite a few chuckles from my audience.

I think it is so amazing that Emma and Rupert have such aamazing chemistry. I mean it would completely suck if they didn't because then this movie would have just felt so forced. But they were adorable together and that's all we could have hoped for.

I totally understand what you mean!!
I feel the same way not that i don't think the kiss was cute because it was! Only it could be better! and than you see all those interviews about rupert and emma saying: 'it was akward' but the only thing they do is touching eachothers lips haha.

exactly. It could have been better. They could have made it sweeter imo. I just wasn't overwhelmed with it like I wanted to be.

For me was it more that I didn't saw it coming on that moment! It went way to fast! It's just they get wet they look one sec at eachother and BAM! It is that i knew that it would be in that place so it wasn't unexpectid for me.


Same here. I knew when they would kiss I had read the spoilers and knew from pictures that it was right after the tsunami wave had hit them. Them jumping at each other like they also do in the book was nice but the background was missing. Hermione initially did it because she loved how Ron tthought about the elfs working at Hogwarts but since this story line was never mentiioned they couldn't just bring it into the movie. Therefore the kiss kind of happened out of the blue.

I think it is so amazing that Emma and Rupert have such aamazing chemistry. I mean it would completely suck if they didn't because then this movie would have just felt so forced. But they were adorable together and that's all we could have hoped for.

I agree with you. but i think that if they didn't had such chemistry we wouldn't be R/H shippers or fans. I mean this entire love story has building up for years many scenes would feel forced/akward if they didn't had chemistry. how would HBP be like if they didn't had chemistry. it would be forced..


Hermione initially did it because she loved how Ron tthought about the elfs working at Hogwarts but since this story line was never mentiioned they couldn't just bring it into the movie. Therefore the kiss kind of happened out of the blue.

Yes they could bring that up before the kiss, but they didn't have to if they just said a line like ron saying: 'bloodyhell I didn't saw that coming' and than hermione is laughing and kisses him or something. just a line so you know the kiss will come! It was still cute and great i'm just bringing it up.

Were I'm happy about is that they had scenes togheter after the kiss! because in the book is the kiss just IT. after that there is nothing more from ron and hermione. so i'm glad that they had scenes that you see they are a couple after the kiss. that was were i was the most afraid of because they almost did everything like the book in part 1.

I adored the hand holding after the battle, it made the whole culmination of the building Ron and Hermione storyline. The kiss was timed and placed well in the storytelling, 10 years of waiting was worth it.

I loved the kiss. I understand all your points about Ron's head blocking the view or it coming without any prior conversation unlike in the book, and I do share those sentiments. Still, I think the kiss was perfect. It wasn't how I imagined, but I had heard enough in advance not to expect it to. Admittedly, I was astonished that from all camera angles Yates could choose, he took one in which Ron's head obscures the lip action. Nonetheless, it did look like a real full on kiss on the mouth. It was forceful (Ron looked a bit like grabbing her), passionate in its own way, cute, funny, heartfelt and it wasn't too short either. What's more important, it felt real. You could sense the love and the relief of all that pent-up tension. I read an online review on Entertainment Weekly and about the kiss I think they put it best: "Ron and Hermione kiss like adults — then giggle with surprise like children" :love:

Overall, R/Hr was adorable. I too like the handholding scene in the Great Hall when Harry acknowledges their relationship very much.

I'm afraid they failed on Harry/Ginny. I don't know why really. Maybe they were too busy to create stupid false love triangles between Harry/Hermione/Ron to really care about Ginny. Maybe it's lack of chemistry between Dan and Bonnie - although I think the right writing and directing could have gotten more emotion out of them. Anyway, we can be happy Rupert and Emma have such a great chemistry. I didn't become a R/Hr shipper because of the movies though. I became a shipper because of the books. I was bent on R/Hr long before I watched the first movie. :D

Just came back! I LOVE it!
Everything Ron and Hermione was just sooooo cute. The kiss was epic (the whole audience loved it) and all their moments were adorable :)

They are now officially together <3
I"ll will miss Ron/Hermione moments, fighting, and finally their relationship :)

@ronjalina:
yeah I didn't really know what to expect to be honest. I knew when the kiss was going to happen and that they would 'grab' each other. But I wasn't expecting Ron's head to block it or anything. I was really disappointed I guess. Now that I am seeing all the gifs on tumblr I even agree with you. It felt real. Have you seen Emma/Hermione's face just right after the kiss? SO IN CHARACTER <3 So amazing. It was def something between shock, relief and her wanting to yell at Ron for doing such a spontaneous thing but then she realizes how much she wanted this to happen and how long they have waited for it. Seriously Emma is amazing. And then Ron/Rupert who was kinda nervously looking at her to see her reaction and then she smiles and they laugh and all is good. The head blocking though is what still makes me angry but the rest is nice.

Were I'm happy about is that they had scenes togheter after the kiss! because in the book is the kiss just IT. after that there is nothing more from ron and hermione. so i'm glad that they had scenes that you see they are a couple after the kiss. that was were i was the most afraid of because they almost did everything like the book in part 1.

Yes, I completely agree. It was nice. I think the directors knew fans were really hungry for some Ron/Hermione stuff especially since the book didn't give you anything. It was cute that they were so intimate with each other throughout the battle. I loved how they comforted each other. It was really important for me to see that they were so sure about their feelings for each other that even Ron was willing to claim her openly as his girlfriend. And that they didn't feel awkward about holding hands.

@ronjalina:
yeah I didn't really know what to expect to be honest. I knew when the kiss was going to happen and that they would 'grab' each other. But I wasn't expecting Ron's head to block it or anything. I was really disappointed I guess.
I guess we might get the other camera angles of the kiss on the DVD. At least that's what I hope. I'll reserve final judgement until then on whether it would have been better to show more or whether this was in fact the perfect shot. The most important thing, IMO, is that the feeling comes across. And it did. It definitely did. The kiss didn't get any cheers in my theater, but one huge "awwwwww." :D

ETA: Speaking of deleted scenes. I don't remember where exactly I read this, but Yates talked about deleted scenes that might get included on the DVD. Obviously there was an extended scene between Ron and Hermione on the beach of Shell Cottage, shortly before they leave for Gringotts.

There was no kiss...
Ron's head was blocking the whole thing...What the hell...

I did think the R/Hr kiss did capture sort of the franticness and the now-or-never-ness (?) of the situation. I think anyone who's ever had one of those do-or-die, passionate kisses really connected to how intense the kiss appeared to be. And Emma is adorable as ever with the giggle. I thought it was well done, though I wouldn't have hated it if it had come in front of the RoR like in the book.

I did think the R/Hr kiss did capture sort of the franticness and the now-or-never-ness (?) of the situation. I think anyone who's ever had one of those do-or-die, passionate kisses really connected to how intense the kiss appeared to be. And Emma is adorable as ever with the giggle. I thought it was well done, though I wouldn't have hated it if it had come in front of the RoR like in the book.

I agree. They just experienced something very intense and they had a very real realization that they may not make it out alive. As ron said in the book, "it's now or never", right? I think that kiss represents emotion. My biggest complaint with the kiss was the wide shot. It totally took me out of this sweet, epic couple moment because it was so far away.

I still cringe to think how hard that scene must have been to do with them. I couldn't imagine having to kiss someone I've felt was like a brother to me. It would be so hard!

After seeing the trailers and speculating that we would actually be seeing Ron and Hermione in the Chamber of Secrets, I had no doubt that their kiss would occur there as well. I did not mind this deviation from the book because it reserved a private moment for fleshing out the Ron/Hermione relationship, rather than being distracted by the chaos of the battle.

The kiss was sweet and as momentous as it should have been. I enjoyed the dual realization of their emotions and that there was no better time than then to express their feelings. It fit well with how the Ron/Hermione relationship has been defined in the films. The kiss was not inspired by anything more than that sudden understanding that they needed to express their emotions, rather than it being triggered by some outstanding event. Everyone knew it was coming, but the filmmakers still made it a very special moment. It was also nice to see how protective and caring they were for each other after the kiss, which defined the authenticity of the moment (something, I think, we never saw with Harry/Ginny).

There was no kiss...
Ron's head was blocking the whole thing...What the hell...Actually I think that made it more effective because it wasn't totally awkward. Compare it with Harry/Ginny's kiss. That one made me cringe to watch.

Everything with ginny in it is gringe-worthily akward.

I loved the Ron/Hermione kiss. I know that it was awkward for Rupert and Emma to do it, because they are good friends, so I'm glad that it had this comical side to it, I think. Their awkwardness doesn't mess up a serious moment or something. I thought it was cute. The holding hands and sittings on the steps together. Aw!!!

In the movies Ginny is more outspoken. Her relationship with Harry doesn't end because Dumbledore died. She approached him when she saw him at Hogwarts. She screamed first when she saw he was "dead." I like that. I like how it is in the book, but I also like how it is in the movie.

Everything with ginny in it is gringe-worthily akward.
:agree:

I have been enormously disappointed with the portrayal of Harry and Ginny's relationships in the films. I thought Chris Columbus captured it best in CoS, but then it was forgotten and forced into HBP. Although Harry and Ginny kiss on several occasions, I feel no emotional connection between them: no concern, no interest, no love. Ginny seems to throw herself upon Harry when Harry simply seems distracted and uncaring. Their kiss in Part 2 was poorly timed, again conveying the feeling of obligation rather than true caring. I think it is most noticeable in this film because of the excellent romantic moments between Ron and Hermione, whose relationship is magnificently defined and believable.

The only scene that I truly enjoyed with Harry/Ginny was Ginny crying/shouting after Voldemort brings Harry's body into the Hogwarts courtyard. Ginny's reaction is very believable and heartfelt, but it also just adds to one-sidedness of the relationship. I never get the feeling that movie Harry is desperate to comfort Ginny or that Ginny was the last thing that entered his mind before Voldemort cast Avada Kedavra in the forest.

In the films, I think Harry/Luna is much better orchestrated and feels like the natural fit. Despite Luna's oddities (which are, especially in DH, toned down quite a bit from the book), Harry seems to have a special relationship with Luna that he certainly does not share with Ginny. And then the twist with Neville claiming attraction to Luna jumbles the relationships even more! Given that we see Neville and Ginny together on the train in Part 1, I think Neville/Ginny is almost better set up/more natural than Harry/Ginny (and certainly more so than Neville/Luna).

As a whole, the Harry/Ginny and Neville/Luna relationships did not bother me too much because they were not the focus. This film was about Ron and Hermione finally expressing their romantic love, and I think it was expertly executed.

I see people complain about how the Harry/Ginny relationship just feels awkard and cringe-worthy in the films, but I've never felt that way, and honestly feel that, given the substantially more tertiary role that Ginny plays in the films as compared to the books (which I'm 100% fine with, given the differences between the literary and filmic mediums in terms of what is required for pacing and time constraints), their relationship is handled very well. We might not get to see the development of their relationship as clearly as we do the relationship between Ron and Hermione (who are main characters in the films just as they are in the books), but I don't feel like that's a disservice to them.

I think Harry Potter looks better with Hermione than Ron! yip!

I loved the kiss. I understand all your points about Ron's head blocking the view or it coming without any prior conversation unlike in the book, and I do share those sentiments. Still, I think the kiss was perfect. It wasn't how I imagined, but I had heard enough in advance not to expect it to. Admittedly, I was astonished that from all camera angles Yates could choose, he took one in which Ron's head obscures the lip action. Nonetheless, it did look like a real full on kiss on the mouth. It was forceful (Ron looked a bit like grabbing her), passionate in its own way, cute, funny, heartfelt and it wasn't too short either. What's more important, it felt real. You could sense the love and the relief of all that pent-up tension. I read an online review on Entertainment Weekly and about the kiss I think they put it best: "Ron and Hermione kiss like adults — then giggle with surprise like children" :love:

Overall, R/Hr was adorable. I too like the handholding scene in the Great Hall when Harry acknowledges their relationship very much.

I'm afraid they failed on Harry/Ginny. I don't know why really. Maybe they were too busy to create stupid false love triangles between Harry/Hermione/Ron to really care about Ginny. Maybe it's lack of chemistry between Dan and Bonnie - although I think the right writing and directing could have gotten more emotion out of them. Anyway, we can be happy Rupert and Emma have such a great chemistry. I didn't become a R/Hr shipper because of the movies though. I became a shipper because of the books. I was bent on R/Hr long before I watched the first movie. :D

I completely agree with you. The kiss was so cute. I think the head blocking the kiss was appropriate because the kiss looked full on! I mean DANGGG Ron just grab her and kissed her passionately ( loved it). My audience clap and one guy shouted FINALLY! I loved Hermione's giggle at the end <3

I was a little disappointed with Harry/Ginny, but it wasn't any worse than it has been in previous movies. I guess their relationship just wasn't as important because Ginny doesn't feature nearly as prominently in the movies as she does in the books.

I was surprised by Ron and Hermione's kiss. I hadn't read any of the spoilers and I was still hoping they would stay true to the book (but I guess that was never going to happen because they cut the house elf subplot from the movies). However, I think they did it well anyway. They got to have a sort of private moment, and Harry got to react to their relationship later in the Great Hall.

The other moment I liked was the Tonks/Lupin one (when they just reach towards each other as the battle begins); I was glad they included that even though Tonks and Lupin's relationship is basically cut out of the previous films.

I don't understand why they showed the kiss with Ron's head blocking it. I think that was a bad decision, but the idea of the scene was still cute. The Harry/Ginny kiss began sort of awkwardly and then didn't last long enough.

it was sweet, but i am disappointed that after a decade, yates couldn't even cut the kiss to actually show them kissing. even for just a second. and that long shot of them in the chamber? pointless.

Did anyone else think Star Wars when Ginny said "i know"?

I expected their scenes to be bad-but how awkward was that kiss between Harry and Ginny? It's sad that in the films I care nothing about Harry and Ginny. Whenever they're together it feels like a brother and sister to me. I think some of the blame is on the screenwriter. We have no idea who Ginny is as a character, so we really can't feel much for her. We see nothing of the fire, compassion and strength that make Ginny a perfect match for Harry. And I'm sorry, but Bonnie Wright can't act.

I didn't mind R/Hr's kiss..yes, I would have liked to see a little of the lip action. And I loved that moment in the book when Ron responds and sweeps her off her feet. But I had already accepted that the scene would be different because of the house elves thing, so I wasn't too disappointed. What bugged me, and what other people seem to like, is the hand-holding scenes with them. It came off a bit childish to me-I kind of feel they had gone through so much that they were past that.

Did anyone else think Star Wars when Ginny said "i know"?I thought Star Trek when Harry moved the pensive... :p

I don't think it was intended, but I had a similar idea in mind. All over I was fine with the romantic scenes, though. I hadn't liked to see more of it within the overall dark topic, but enjoyed how the couples were represented. The Luna&Neville thing was surprising (well, if one doesn't read CoS threads before), but not disturbing for me - I wonder if they actually played with the fans expectations here.

Saw it the second time and the audience clap again for the Ron and Hermione kiss. I just love those two together <3

Just saw it... I fist pumped :)

That was one of the moments I had been waiting for. Personally, yeah they could have showed them kissing longer than they did, maybe without the wideshot or whatever, but I think it was alright otherwise. It wasn't as awkward as some of the other kissing scenes we've seen in the films.

Just saw it... I fist pumped :)

That was one of the moments I had been waiting for. Personally, yeah they could have showed them kissing longer than they did, maybe without the wideshot or whatever, but I think it was alright otherwise. It wasn't as awkward as some of the other kissing scenes we've seen in the films.

I loved their kissing scene. I was like DANG they are getting it on lol. Ha sorry:eyebrows:

Thinking about the R/Hr kiss some more, I love it even better than I already did initially. I always had hoped to see a bit of "lip action", however I think how the kiss played out it's clearly suggested that there is some. In a way it is fitting that Ron's head blocks it. It is a very intimate moment. That was what bugged me always a bit about the book. Harry was present. But in the book, I understand it because it's almost exclusively told from Harry's POV and JKR likely would have had a hard time to make a change to a Ron/Hermione - only POV believable. Anyway, for the books, the scene was perfect as it was. With Harry present. For the movie, the scene with Ron and Hermione alone in the Cos works perfect. And, seeing as it is an intimate moment, I think I am okay with the head blocking. Stressing the intimacy of the moment, might have even be the reason why Yates chose this angle. I'm curious what he has to say about it, should he ever be asked in an interview.

Both Emma and Rupert have long been saying they did not look forward to doing a kiss scene because they think of each other like brother and sister. The way they did it meant that it was possible that the actors' lips were not actually touching. Trying to show lip action may have caused us to see uncomfortable looks on their faces.

If the Harry/Ginny kiss was awkward, it was probably supposed to be. Fear of the loved one dying would presumably make things awkward.

I almost feel bad that they went to the trouble of having a passionate kiss because they didn't show it. I mean from the little bit they showed it looked great, but you can barely see it. I mean you see the before and after.

I thought Star Trek when Harry moved the pensive... :p

I could totally see that. I liked that they explained the two different pensieves, but that was some bad looking CGI there.

Just with the "i know" line. I totally thought of when Leia says "I love you" and Han says "i know" in Empire Strikes Back.

Both Emma and Rupert have long been saying they did not look forward to doing a kiss scene because they think of each other like brother and sister. The way they did it meant that it was possible that the actors' lips were not actually touching. Trying to show lip action may have caused us to see uncomfortable looks on their faces.

They did actually kiss (although it's true that it was awkward for both of them and they weren't looking forward to it). I think in this case it was just a bad camera angle, not that the actors did anything wrong.

I almost feel bad that they went to the trouble of having a passionate kiss because they didn't show it. I mean from the little bit they showed it looked great, but you can barely see it. I mean you see the before and after.

I know, that's what I thought! Poor Emma and Rupert.

Just saw it... I fist pumped :)

That was one of the moments I had been waiting for. Personally, yeah they could have showed them kissing longer than they did, maybe without the wideshot or whatever, but I think it was alright otherwise. It wasn't as awkward as some of the other kissing scenes we've seen in the films.

I thought the kiss was long enough, but the problem was that wide shot totally took you out of the moment because it was SO wide. It just didn't fit. I can understand pulling back a bit, but it was just weird.:hmm:

Ron and Hermione is probably the least awkward kissing scene in the movies, so I was ok with it. Wasn't spectacular, but as good as could've been expected. I'm going to pretend Harry and Ginny dont exist at the moment, I didn't like them in the books, and the movies just make me feel worse about them.

I agree. They just experienced something very intense and they had a very real realization that they may not make it out alive. As ron said in the book, "it's now or never", right? I think that kiss represents emotion. My biggest complaint with the kiss was the wide shot. It totally took me out of this sweet, epic couple moment because it was so far away.



I agree. It was really a now or never kiss and situation. that they are jumping on each other in the movie is basically a reaction to the tsunami wave that had just hit them and that they realized that they could shortly be dead as well. I did like the Elf reason from the book a lot better but they couldn't have included that into the movie for obvious reason. so I guess the part about letting the Horcrux 'show a reaction' to the destruction was amazing. I love how Ron doesn't know what to do with his hands. It's so in character and I wonder how much of it was actually Rupert's and Emma's doing because we know the kiss in the book is the first shot they did. And I ADORE Hermione's face after the kiss. So full of emotions. like she just knows it could be over any second, one of them could die. and that this is what they needed to fianlly put everything aside and just act on their feelings.

Since I am a proud Harry/Hermione shipper, I didn't care of the kissing scene, but if I were a R/Hr shipper, I would have been rather disappointed. To me it was awkward...I mean, you can barely see them kissing :/ I admit I expected it to be more passionate. *shrugs*

As far as Harry and Ginny are concerned, well XD their relationship is kinda awkward too in the movies. I think Bonnie Wright can't act, to be honest...and she's ugly o.o As JKR cares about pointing out how Ginny is astonishingly beautiful and gorgeous and whatever she is, well Bonnie can't compare with.

How did they screw the kiss up? The kiss between Dan and Emma in the first movie was perfect, I don't really understand what Yates was thinking with the Chamber of Secrets one. As for the Ginny one, like others have said, it really didn't matter to me. I've always thought Bonnie was the worst actress of the Potter crew and none of the movies ever really payed attention to their relationship with the exception of the Half-Blood Prince.

^^ yeah i mean they took a sensuality ratings on dh1, but don't even show ron and hermione properly kissing in this one. it's like they just don't care about them. so underwhelming.

LOVED the kiss. :D :D So happy. Omg, FINALLY! Jeeeez. haha

At first, when I saw I was a little disappointed with it. But after watching it (again and again.... ;) ) on Youtube (are we allowed to link to bootlegged clips?), I've really come to love it. It's just so passionate. I love the way they just.... surge into each other - along with the surging music and (symbolic!) surging water..... A lot of surging and ....swelling *ahem* in this scene. I loved the full-body contact; the other HP kisses have been so tame in comparison, IMO. Ron and Hermione's kiss needed passion - that word pretty much sums them up - and it had it in spades, IMO. And Hermione's facial expression when they pull apart is one of, again, pure passion. Her face actually looked flushed! Nice one, Emma.

Quite a few people have complained about Ron's head getting in the way of the kiss (hehe), but, after some reflection, I actually quite like the angle they chose: it adds to the feeling of spontaneity and desperation, IMO. I liked that the kiss wasn't perfect; it was sloppy and all-over the place, as a first kiss between two best friends who've loved each other for years and are in the middle of a war should be, IMO. It's as though the characters (and the actors) are in their own little world. <3 *sigh*

Also, I love that both Ron/Rupert and Hermione/Emma were completely going for it, as opposed to the one-sided kiss between Horcrux-Harry and Hermione in Part 1 (where Emma seemed to do all the work....). It was definitely a snog, not just a kiss. heh I liked the sounds of the kiss, too: the sharp intake of breath as they dive in and the, er, smacking sound as they pull apart. Haha Oh, and finally, I loved Ronpert's left hand "spazzing out" on Hermione's back. (Can't think of a better way to describe it!)

I loved the moment when Ron gets the idea about the Room of Requirement - based on what Hermione had said earlier - and she looks so astonished/flustered/pleased that he remembered. "Yes, I did." "Brilliant." Ron and Hermione's relationship is all about learning from one another and surprising each other - growing towards a state of mutual love and understanding - and the movies have shown this wonderfully, IMO: "Always the tone of surprise.", the Wingardium Leviosa scene in PS (with Ron successfully using the spell later, to defeat the troll), Hermione teaching Ron to play piano in DH1 and the deleted scene of his teaching her to skim rocks, etc. This scene encapsulated this dynamic very well, IMO.

I liked the scene of Hermione comforting Ron on the stairs after Fred's death. :'( So tender. (Although it would have been nice to see his reaction a bit more.... :/) I loved Ron calling her his "girlfriend" (squee) and running after Draco and co., when he thought they'd attacked her in the RoR, and Hermione's pleased beam. Yay for more of protective!Ron in these movies (because, god knows, he doesn't get to show that side of himself much in the earlier movies.....Grrr.) Their adorable moment after the battle, when they come into the Great Hall - holding hands - looking both proud and kinda sheepish...... Heh. And Harry's face - clearing saying "finally!". :) They were just so coupley in this film.

Consider me a happy R/Hr shipper. :) :)

Now, the less said about Harry/Ginny, the better.... Their relationship didn't work for me in the books, and it worked even less in the films.... Bonnie and Dan simply have NO chemistry, IMO, and their scenes together - all among the worst-written and most awkward in the series - really don't help. And Bonnie is just so... limp. :/ No offence to her or her fans.... :/ They are the complete opposite of Ron and Hermione.

Oh, and possibly the most romantic (in a tragic way) image in the films: Snape cradling Lily's dead body and wailing, as baby Harry wails in the background. :'(

Did anyone else think Star Wars when Ginny said "i know"?

OMG, and I thought I was the only one. :lol: It was actually my favorite of the H/G moments (although I grant that the bar for that is rather low-- the pairing's never really clicked for me, either on-screen or on-page).

The R/Hr kiss was nice. Personally, I didn't need to see their faces. Their body language as they kissed said it all, as did Hermione's breathless face afterwards. The giggle the two shared was also sweet. :)

LOVED the kiss. :D :D So happy. Omg, FINALLY! Jeeeez. haha

At first, when I saw I was a little disappointed with it. But after watching it (again and again.... ;) ) on Youtube (are we allowed to link to bootlegged clips?), I've really come to love it. It's just so passionate. I love the way they just.... surge into each other - along with the surging music and (symbolic!) surging water..... A lot of surging and ....swelling *ahem* in this scene. I loved the full-body contact; the other HP kisses have been so tame in comparison, IMO. Ron and Hermione's kiss needed passion - that word pretty much sums them up - and it had it in spades, IMO. And Hermione's facial expression when they pull apart is one of, again, pure passion. Her face actually looked flushed! Nice one, Emma.

Quite a few people have complained about Ron's head getting in the way of the kiss (hehe), but, after some reflection, I actually quite like the angle they chose: it adds to the feeling of spontaneity and desperation, IMO. I liked that the kiss wasn't perfect; it was sloppy and all-over the place, as a first kiss between two best friends who've loved each other for years and are in the middle of a war should be, IMO. It's as though the characters (and the actors) are in their own little world. <3 *sigh*

Also, I love that both Ron/Rupert and Hermione/Emma were completely going for it, as opposed to the one-sided kiss between Horcrux-Harry and Hermione in Part 1 (where Emma seemed to do all the work....). It was definitely a snog, not just a kiss. heh I liked the sounds of the kiss, too: the sharp intake of breath as they dive in and the, er, smacking sound as they pull apart. Haha Oh, and finally, I loved Ronpert's left hand "spazzing out" on Hermione's back. (Can't think of a better way to describe it!)

I loved the moment when Ron gets the idea about the Room of Requirement - based on what Hermione had said earlier - and she looks so astonished/flustered/pleased that he remembered. "Yes, I did." "Brilliant." Ron and Hermione's relationship is all about learning from one another and surprising each other - growing towards a state of mutual love and understanding - and the movies have shown this wonderfully, IMO: "Always the tone of surprise.", the Wingardium Leviosa scene in PS (with Ron successfully using the spell later, to defeat the troll), Hermione teaching Ron to play piano in DH1 and the deleted scene of his teaching her to skim rocks, etc. This scene encapsulated this dynamic very well, IMO.

I liked the scene of Hermione comforting Ron on the stairs after Fred's death. :'( So tender. (Although it would have been nice to see his reaction a bit more.... :/) I loved Ron calling her his "girlfriend" (squee) and running after Draco and co., when he thought they'd attacked her in the RoR, and Hermione's pleased beam. Yay for more of protective!Ron in these movies (because, god knows, he doesn't get to show that side of himself much in the earlier movies.....Grrr.) Their adorable moment after the battle, when they come into the Great Hall - holding hands - looking both proud and kinda sheepish...... Heh. And Harry's face - clearing saying "finally!". :) They were just so coupley in this film.

Consider me a happy R/Hr shipper. :) :)

Now, the less said about Harry/Ginny, the better.... Their relationship didn't work for me in the books, and it worked even less in the films.... Bonnie and Dan simply have NO chemistry, IMO, and their scenes together - all among the worst-written and most awkward in the series - really don't help. And Bonnie is just so... limp. :/ No offence to her or her fans.... :/ They are the complete opposite of Ron and Hermione.

Oh, and possibly the most romantic (in a tragic way) image in the films: Snape cradling Lily's dead body and wailing, as baby Harry wails in the background. :'(

Well said I couldn't have said it better myself. :agree:
I loved all their moments and I am also a happy R/Hr shipper <3

OMG, and I thought I was the only one. :lol: It was actually my favorite of the H/G moments (although I grant that the bar for that is rather low-- the pairing's never really clicked for me, either on-screen or on-page).

It was a really nice moment, but i can't tell if i think that because for me the moment is partially caught up in the really nice moment between Leia and Han in Empire which has nothing to do with Harry and Ginny. It was nice.

I absolutely LOVED the Ron/Hermione kiss in the book, the fact that it was house elves that finally brought them together after fighting about them for so many years, such a nice touch from JK. Pity they couldn't replicate it. I also really liked Harry's "Is this the time?", it just encapsulated the relationship between the three of them for me.

So yeah, *sigh*, kinda disappointing.

Also, I'll add that I can't stand Bonnie Wright. She can't act, and she's just ugh in any scene with Dan. Argh.

Frankly, I found the kissing scene kind of rushed, don't you think? Everything happens so quickly you don't have even the time to realize, then they pull apart at once.
I pretty much preferred their look to the kiss itself

I guess I will never understand the extreme fanaticism regarding the kiss or any romantic scenes in the HP movies - compared to other, more important, scenes. It's not just that I can't stand Ron/Rupert, I feel the same way about Harry/Ginny as well.

I guess I will never understand the extreme fanaticism regarding the kiss or any romantic scenes in the HP movies - compared to other, more important, scenes. It's not just that I can't stand Ron/Rupert, I feel the same way about Harry/Ginny as well.

I'm guessing it's Ron/Hermione that you can't stand, not Ron/Rupert. :D

But yeah--I feel the way you do. Kisses and romance are not the main point of the series. Lots of bigger fish to fry. :lol:

That being said--I preferred Ron & Hermione's book kiss better, particularly because I loved Harry's, "Oi! We're in a war!" or whatever it was he said, lol. But, it was just cuter in the book.

But oh well. A kiss is a kiss. At least it happened!
I would have thought R/Hr shippers would be happy that Harry wasn't their to interrupt the kiss. But now the complaint is that the kiss wasn't good enough.

The kiss wasn't good enough. It was still sweet, but you couldn't actually see it.

I do think the romance part of the story is just as important as anything else.

I'm guessing it's Ron/Hermione that you can't stand, not Ron/Rupert. :D


I see how that looked :) but no, I just don't like Ron or the actor portraying Ron, regardless who he is kissing or not.

I see how that looked :) but no, I just don't like Ron or the actor portraying Ron, regardless who he is kissing or not.

Ohhh, lol. I'm sorry. I thought you had typoed there, lol.

I loved the kiss. I thought it worked really well. I know that H/G hasn't been great in the films but I thought it was better in this film than the others. I thought Bonnie kissing him did show the desperation for one last moment together incase they died.

I thought the Ron and Hermione kiss was the best kiss in the Harry Potter series. All the other were just soooo awkward..... and you have to admit they have the cutesiest scenes/moments together as a couple :)

I thought the Ron and Hermione kiss was the best kiss in the Harry Potter series. All the other were just soooo awkward..... and you have to admit they have the cutesiest scenes/moments together as a couple :)

They do! And the way Ron looks at Hermione at the wedding still makes me swoon.

They really did let the camera stay on them through that ending giggle. Where Dan said he could see Rupert and Emma in them. I agree. It's very cute.

The kiss wasn't good enough. It was still sweet, but you couldn't actually see it.

I do think the romance part of the story is just as important as anything else.

I agree with you. What's wrong with discussing romantic scenes too? It's part of the book...

It was so awesome watching Ron and Hermione's kiss in the cinema! Some people in the audience "awwed" and gasped at first, and then seconds later someone wolf-whistled and everybody laughed! :lol:

As for the kiss itself: I'm not a shipper but I really liked it. I thought was a little awkward, because you could clearly see Rupert's and Emma's reluctance, but overall it was sweet and passionate and far far better than any of the Harry/Ginny scenes (although their kiss was better in Part 2).

It was so awesome watching Ron and Hermione's kiss in the cinema! Some people in the audience "awwed" and gasped at first, and then seconds later someone wolf-whistled and everybody laughed! :lol:

As for the kiss itself: I'm not a shipper but I really liked it. I thought was a little awkward, because you could clearly see Rupert's and Emma's reluctance, but overall it was sweet and passionate and far far better than any of the Harry/Ginny scenes (although their kiss was better in Part 2).

The first time I watched it the audience clapped and one guy stood up and yelled "Finally" lol, everyone laughed :rotfl:

The second time the audience clapped but there were more awwwws.
I loved both responses, its good to know the audience liked the kiss :agree:

Just got to see it today, best kiss of the series by far, and by reading somethings on here i was thinking it could be really bad, but i liked it, yeah could of been abit better, but overall il give it a pass mark.

I actually prefered the movie version of the R/Hr kiss over the book version. The timing seemed a bit more appropriate. I think in the book JKR was stuck having them kiss in front of Harry because she needed to describe it for the readers, but having it in the Chamber of Secrets right after Hermione destroyed the Horcrux seemed really fitting. Plus, since the elves and SPEW were never mentioned in the movie, we couldn't have had that lead up to the kiss anyway.

I also thought it was the only kiss in the movies that didn't seem awkward. It had the right amount of passion and intensity, and it was cute! (And i'm saying this as someone who doesn't ship Ron/Hermione.)

The Harry/Ginny kiss was awkward, but the "I know" was definitely fitting of their relationship.

The kiss was lovely! In my cinema everyone gave a short gasp but they loved it. I'm a huge R/Hr shipper and for the whole series their relationship on screen had been developed fantastically, and the passion that was executed in their kiss was pin-point. After all the years of longing, Emma and Rupert pulled off a very believable release of emotions once they grabbed eachother.

I thought the Ron and Hermione kiss was the best kiss in the Harry Potter series. All the other were just soooo awkward..... and you have to admit they have the cutesiest scenes/moments together as a couple :)

I agree with you. As I was watching the kiss, I couldn't help myself and whispered, "it's about time." LOL. Rupert and Emma did a great job and it was quite convincing! :)

Just got to see it today, best kiss of the series by far, and by reading somethings on here i was thinking it could be really bad, but i liked it, yeah could of been abit better, but overall il give it a pass mark.

Watch it again. It's better the second time.:agree:

Watch it again. It's better the second time.:agree:
Definitely. It really is better the second (and third....and fourth... haha) time. The first time you see it, the kiss gets a bit of a "Huh? Is that it?" reaction, but a second viewing really lets you appreciate all the details. :tu:

The kiss was lovely! In my cinema everyone gave a short gasp but they loved it. I'm a huge R/Hr shipper and for the whole series their relationship on screen had been developed fantastically, and the passion that was executed in their kiss was pin-point. After all the years of longing, Emma and Rupert pulled off a very believable release of emotions once they grabbed eachother.

It was a little surprising at first because it just came from no where, but then it was like awwww. I can't enough from these two :drool:

I was really happy with the Harry/Ginny moments in this film, I went in not expecting a lot, I knew about the kiss from the trailer but that was about all I knew, and I got so much more than I expected!

The kiss itself was really well done I think, the timing and everything. With Neville saying him and Luna might be dead by dawn, it gives that perfect trigger for Harry and Ginny and the "I know" was so sweet! I really liked their moment in the RoR too, I know they were playing for the comedy bit with Ron's reaction, sort of like they went for comedy in part one with George in the background but I didn't mind! And when Ginny stepped out in front of Harry in the Great Hall, I loved that :tu: one of my friends actually cheered "go Ginny!"

The Ron and Hermione kiss was perfect as well, I would have preferred the book kiss, but it didn't fit in with the films overall so I'm happy with what they did with it. I thought Rupert and Emma were great.

The only romantic moment I didn't like was the Neville/Luna insiunuation, I just didn't feel it was necessary. Even a non-book reader I saw it with, who didn't know about JKR's comments about who Neville really ended up with, thought it was out of place and unneceassary. But it did trigger the Harry/Ginny kiss so it has some redeeming features :p

I think this is the film I've been most happy with the relationships and how they were done :D

Also, I'll add that I can't stand Bonnie Wright. She can't act, and she's just ugh in any scene with Dan. Argh.

I totally agree! I never really bought into the Harry-Ginny relationship in the movies. I feel like Bonnie was never expressive enough. I have a couple of friends who really liked her as Ginny. To each his own, I guess. I did, however, like the Rupert-Emma chemistry in the movies.

I thought the kiss between Ron and Hermione was great! All I thought was it's about time! They both did a great job and the timing was perfect you really feel like Ron finally got to do what he's been wanting to for so long! :agree:

I thought both kisses were just fine. I have many issues with this film, but the kisses are not included. Both kisses felt natural; both worked with the story as it was told.

i wish they hadn't included that like 6 sec wide shot of the cos though. it was just too wide and you couldn't even see them moving. so pointless. it actually baffles me.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/50-best-movie-kisses/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-2011-1

Ron and Hermy's smooch made the number 10 spot on Total Film's list of top 50 movie kisses! Woot! Haha

I think it's a bit like an old-style movie kiss, with the head-blocking combined with passion ;)..... You know, like something from a Disney movie, or Breakfast atTiffany's, or something....

http://theivorycouch.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/tumblr_pocahontaskiss.jpg

:)

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/50-best-movie-kisses/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-2011-1

Ron and Hermy's smooch made the number 10 spot on Total Film's list of top 50 movie kisses! Woot! Haha

I think it's a bit like an old-style movie kiss, with the head-blocking combined with passion ;)..... You know, like something from a Disney movie, or Breakfast atTiffany's, or something....

http://theivorycouch.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/tumblr_pocahontaskiss.jpg

:)

YES!!!!!! I'm so happy to hear that :)
This just made my day

LOVED the kiss. :D :D So happy. Omg, FINALLY! Jeeeez. haha

At first, when I saw I was a little disappointed with it. But after watching it (again and again.... ;) ) on Youtube (are we allowed to link to bootlegged clips?), I've really come to love it. It's just so passionate. I love the way they just.... surge into each other - along with the surging music and (symbolic!) surging water..... A lot of surging and ....swelling *ahem* in this scene. I loved the full-body contact; the other HP kisses have been so tame in comparison, IMO. Ron and Hermione's kiss needed passion - that word pretty much sums them up - and it had it in spades, IMO. And Hermione's facial expression when they pull apart is one of, again, pure passion. Her face actually looked flushed! Nice one, Emma.

Quite a few people have complained about Ron's head getting in the way of the kiss (hehe), but, after some reflection, I actually quite like the angle they chose: it adds to the feeling of spontaneity and desperation, IMO. I liked that the kiss wasn't perfect; it was sloppy and all-over the place, as a first kiss between two best friends who've loved each other for years and are in the middle of a war should be, IMO. It's as though the characters (and the actors) are in their own little world. <3 *sigh*

Also, I love that both Ron/Rupert and Hermione/Emma were completely going for it, as opposed to the one-sided kiss between Horcrux-Harry and Hermione in Part 1 (where Emma seemed to do all the work....). It was definitely a snog, not just a kiss. heh I liked the sounds of the kiss, too: the sharp intake of breath as they dive in and the, er, smacking sound as they pull apart. Haha Oh, and finally, I loved Ronpert's left hand "spazzing out" on Hermione's back. (Can't think of a better way to describe it!)

I loved the moment when Ron gets the idea about the Room of Requirement - based on what Hermione had said earlier - and she looks so astonished/flustered/pleased that he remembered. "Yes, I did." "Brilliant." Ron and Hermione's relationship is all about learning from one another and surprising each other - growing towards a state of mutual love and understanding - and the movies have shown this wonderfully, IMO: "Always the tone of surprise.", the Wingardium Leviosa scene in PS (with Ron successfully using the spell later, to defeat the troll), Hermione teaching Ron to play piano in DH1 and the deleted scene of his teaching her to skim rocks, etc. This scene encapsulated this dynamic very well, IMO.

I liked the scene of Hermione comforting Ron on the stairs after Fred's death. :'( So tender. (Although it would have been nice to see his reaction a bit more.... :/) I loved Ron calling her his "girlfriend" (squee) and running after Draco and co., when he thought they'd attacked her in the RoR, and Hermione's pleased beam. Yay for more of protective!Ron in these movies (because, god knows, he doesn't get to show that side of himself much in the earlier movies.....Grrr.) Their adorable moment after the battle, when they come into the Great Hall - holding hands - looking both proud and kinda sheepish...... Heh. And Harry's face - clearing saying "finally!". :) They were just so coupley in this film.

Consider me a happy R/Hr shipper. :) :)

Now, the less said about Harry/Ginny, the better.... Their relationship didn't work for me in the books, and it worked even less in the films.... Bonnie and Dan simply have NO chemistry, IMO, and their scenes together - all among the worst-written and most awkward in the series - really don't help. And Bonnie is just so... limp. :/ No offence to her or her fans.... :/ They are the complete opposite of Ron and Hermione.

Oh, and possibly the most romantic (in a tragic way) image in the films: Snape cradling Lily's dead body and wailing, as baby Harry wails in the background. :'(

I haven't read through the entire thread, but I must say, you have said everything I wanted to say, scooby. :tu: Perfect description of the Ron/Hermione (squee!) kiss. I got so excited when they finally did the kiss after such a long time. It's like I'm (and many others I'm sure) were probably thinking "It's about bloody time!"

The Ron/Hermione kiss was PERFECT! :love:

It was one of those [few] times when I felt it improved on the book. I liked that it was a private moment between the two of them, after we get to see the Cup destroyed. And their little laugh after...guh. I loved it!

I'm in complete agreement with many of the above posters. I thought the kiss between Ron and Hermione was perfectly done. It had the right amount of emotion and passion behind it and was placed in a proper point in the movie.

With that said, I was actually really uncomfortable with the Harry / Ginny kiss in DH:2. I thought it just looked emotionless and forced, which made me really sad as I have always been a huge H/G fan. I thought the kiss in HBP was better (though still not great). I can't really place blame on either Dan or Bonnie because I like them both as individual characters, I just wish they had really brought the H/G relationship to the screen in a more passionate way.

Oh well, I'll just use my imagination so it doesn't seem awkward for them to get married.

I actually felt the timing of Ron and Hermione's was not that good. I didn't understand what, if anything, had triggered it. I didn't like the angle in which it was shot, either. But seeing the responses about it here, I'll definitly try to give it another chance. I agree though, that Hermione and Ron's relationship has been handled really well throughout the films. I'm not a R/Hr and I generally don't understand the attraction between them, but I think it was quite well done in the films.

I didn't mind Harry and Ginny's kiss much. It wasn't that great, but at least it was better than the HBP kiss, in my opinion, I keep wondering why they didn't stick to the book version of the H/G kiss, anyways.. I think they also handled their relationship in this movie better than HBP, in which it was totally awkward and out of character for both of them, especially Ginny. I liked Harry's troubled expression and reaction when Ginny entered the RoR, then the kiss in the middle of the chaos worked fine, and finally Ginny's reaction when she hears that Harry is dead, was well done, and much better than either Ron or Hermione's.

The romance in DH2 was handled well, in my opinion. I didn't even mind the addition of Neville and Luna's relationship (I always thought they might end up together in the books..). The romance was well balanced, considering that there was a war going on, and finally I'm thankful it didn't take over like in HBP.

I actually felt the timing of Ron and Hermione's was not that good. I didn't understand what, if anything, had triggered it. .

Hermione had just destroyed a horcrux releasing the bad spirits [don't know what else to call them] and the waves of water. The rush of destroying such an important object and the element of danger brought all feelings up to the surface, including passionate and romantic feelings. Which is what triggered them finally kissing.

At least, that's how I saw it :)

Hermione had just destroyed a horcrux releasing the bad spirits [don't know what else to call them] and the waves of water. The rush of destroying such an important object and the element of danger brought all feelings up to the surface, including passionate and romantic feelings. Which is what triggered them finally kissing.

At least, that's how I saw it :)

Plus, the fact that it was now or never for them! They might not make it through the night, so that was as good a time as any.

I was thinking about the ending when Harry crosses the Great Hall after Voldemort is dead. Harry shares a look with Cho but we only see Ginny with Mrs Weasley for a split second and Harry doesn't seem to really notice them. I thought that was a missed opportunity and I would have liked it if Harry and Ginny had acknowledged each other briefly.

When I saw the Ron and Hermione kiss in the movie theater, I thought "Finally!" which was the same thing that I said out loud when I read the kiss in the book, lol. It was one of those moments that I was looking forward to in the film because I absolutely love the Ron and Hermione relationship in the books as well as in the movies. I think that Emma and Rupert did a nice job portraying that relationship and are very cute together. :love: I prefer the book kiss over the one in the movie, but I understood why they changed it and it was still great.

On the other hand, I never really liked the Harry and Ginny relationship in the films as much as I do in the books. I just think that Daniel and Bonnie don't have that much chemistry together like Rupert and Emma do so the moments that they had together were never that special to me.

Hermione had just destroyed a horcrux releasing the bad spirits [don't know what else to call them] and the waves of water. The rush of destroying such an important object and the element of danger brought all feelings up to the surface, including passionate and romantic feelings. Which is what triggered them finally kissing.

At least, that's how I saw it :)

Plus, the fact that it was now or never for them! They might not make it through the night, so that was as good a time as any.

That makes a lot of sense, when you put it that way. I guess I was quite caught up in the flooding water, when I found them kissing all of a sudden, :lol:.