Romantic moments & that scene in Deathly Hallows

The dance scene in DHP1 made me kind of upset. It almost seemed to me like they were trying to make Hermione out to be the bad guy. She tells Ron that there's nothing going on, and then BAPBAO here she is dancing with her best friend, as if there is something going on. I was also strange how in the last movie, *invisible text just in case anyone hasn't seen the last movie yet* Hermione cries and tells Harry she'll go with him to die, and Ron looks on as if he is upset, or let down. It just made her seem 2 faced to me. "Guess what Ron? I love you! Oh my gosh Harry I'll go with you and leave behind the guy I love." It just seemed odd to me :hmm:
But Ron and Hermione's kiss made me and my best friend screech like crazy fangirls! I loved it. By the way, did anyone else get a huge shock when Hermione blasted the Werewolf who was trying to eat Lavender (at least I thought it was Lavender.) I forgot about that part in the book, and when I saw it, it hit me that Hermione must love Ron, because if she was one of those jealous clingy people who just wanted to "own" him, she would have let him eat her, but she put aside the petty difference because she once meant something to Ron, so she couldn't see someone who once meant someone to him be disfigured.

So glad that most people seem to be satisfied with the kiss! I do also wish we had gotten some lip action, but it is by far the best kiss of the series and was so passionate and in the moment that it kind of makes up for it.

Although I have to say the hopeless romantic in me does wish there had been something to segway into the kiss, maybe Hermiones hair couldve gone into her face from the water crashing on top of them and Ron could have gone to move it for her...then they maul each other...or something along those lines. Maybe a bit cliche I admit but would have been so cute. Nonetheless I am very satisfied with the kiss, and all the cute hand holding/hugging that followed! :agree:

I was thinking about the ending when Harry crosses the Great Hall after Voldemort is dead. Harry shares a look with Cho but we only see Ginny with Mrs Weasley for a split second and Harry doesn't seem to really notice them. I thought that was a missed opportunity and I would have liked it if Harry and Ginny had acknowledged each other briefly.

In the book and the movie, Ginny was with her mother and they're grieving the loss of a family member. I think it would have been totally inappropriate for the film to have Harry trying to catch Ginny's eye.

I thought both kisses were just fine. I have many issues with this film, but the kisses are not included. Both kisses felt natural; both worked with the story as it was told.

I agree with you. Personally, I think a lot of fans project their own wishes/imaginings of what these scenes should look like, so the film makers don't have a chance, really......

For me the only the relationship they got right was the Ron and Hermione, even though there were still some problems with it. The Harry/Ginny, Lupin/Tonks, and even Neville/Luna were just horrible.

Ron and hermione in the chamber of secrets the kiss

I think it made sense. Those of us who read the book knew what to expect however by tossing that in, it made those who only watch the movie have to speculate a bit more into the last movie. I know like 95% of the people who went to the movie read the book, but that was probably the intention of that particular scene in DH1, to make the other 5% have to think about it, (or buy the book).

the more i see the kiss, the more it annoys me to be honest. i mean not one shot of them kissing? i just can't believe that after all the "it needs to be the most amazing kiss", "it's a hell of a snog", "it's a big moment", etc etc etc from the cast and crew. ten years of anticipation and THAT is what they put in the final film.

Kindly note that while everyone is entitled to think what they want about the films, opinions have to be expressed in a civil way.

Also remember that this thread is about the DH films, not the books and JKR's abilities are therefore totally off topic.

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I was shocked by the dancing seen in Part I, but rewatching it, I don't see the romantic side of it as I did the first time (especially when they look like they are going to kiss). It just seemed like a nice tension inducing scene they mixed with a scene where Harry tries to cheer up his best friend.

When I first saw DHP1 in theaters I didn't think for a second that Harry and Hermione dancing was a romantic gesture. It's an incredibly sad moment at that point and I saw it as Harry attempting to comfort Hermione. It was sweet and a little funny (Harry dances like a dorky dad!) and it brought tears to my eyes.

Love and affection are not always romantically driven and I think that's one of HP's greatest strengths, it showcases true friendship time and time again.

Actually I think it would have been better if Ron had a lovely time. If he was enjoying himself, the leaving would have been more emotional for Hermione. Since he was all so negative, it wasn't a big surprise. But, then again, the mood swing would be a little to dramatic to be realistic. So, in conclusion, his attitude , was quite... Ahhhhh.... Acceptable. I hope the past sentance is not considered character bashing.

Someone pointed this out to me earlier - it's about the dancing scene in part one, and the dancing photo of Lily and James. Intentional? Or good timing?
http://professoralbusdumbledore.tumblr.com/post/7744193282
I thought it was neat! (Hopefully the two gifs load at the same time otherwise the effect is lost - refreshing it worked for me when it didn't.)

I didn't mention it the first time I posted, but I thought the Neville/Luna additions were really adorable. They were short and sweet.

I thought the Ron/Hermione kiss was perfect--both the seriousness of it, and the giggling afterwards. There's just a lovely connection between their characters that has grown over the course of the books/movies, and obviously Rupert and Emma have a strong connection (although not romantic, of course! I'm sure that was reeeeally awkward for them to film--but they are actors, and they did a fine job.)

The Harry/Ginny thread has always, always disappointed me in the books, and where the films could have rectified that, they failed. I know Ginny doesn't go with them to destroy horcruxes. I realize she's a year younger. I know that that isn't the most important thread. But a few well-placed scenes can convey a relationship, even if you are focusing on the main storyline. I felt Rowling really set it up from the very first book--Ginny is the FIRST girl that Harry ever sees in the entire series. Then in COS there's the whole almost fairy tale save-the-princess-from-the worm thing. But then you get to HBP and we just get told about how they spent all this time together at the Burrow. Huh? We never saw that. Since I was told, not shown, about all their supposed interactions, it was hard to believe in their relationship. And then the film does nothing to fill that in. Heck, Luna's relationship with Ginny gets more focus! The whole thing bothers me because so many other relationships (not just romantic, but all kinds) are done so well in the rest of the Potterverse. I agree with others--all it would take would be to show some reaction from Harry when he sees Ginny kissing Dean...when he shows up at the Burrow, hugs Ginny, then really *looks* at her...maybe a bit of awkwardness or vulnerability or shyness or SOMETHING around her. The kiss on the stairs in the last film was really nicely done, especially as the film centers basically one one night, and romance isn't the focus. But it could have meant a lot more if there was an actual relationship preceding it.

I love everything else about Harry Potter. It's just that one thread I wish I could change. )

I really hope that JKR isn't beginning to believe the rubbish that Kloves, Heyman and Yates have been saying. I hope she is stronger than that and no matter what anyone else says she maintains her convictions about her characters and her universe and doesn't let anyone change her mind.

There were a million signs that Ron and Hermione had feelings for one another and Harry and Hermione did not and it would have been beyond ridiculous for Harry and Hermione to end up together in the final book.

I agree with you. By the way, I think JK is very adamant about standing by her characters and the storylines surrounding them.

In the book and the movie, Ginny was with her mother and they're grieving the loss of a family member. I think it would have been totally inappropriate for the film to have Harry trying to catch Ginny's eye.

But Harry does catch Ginny's eye at the end of the film in the great hall. She has a really intense look on her face and they clearly notice each other.

But Harry does catch Ginny's eye at the end of the film in the great hall. She has a really intense look on her face and they clearly notice each other.

Hmm....I didn't see that; of course I've only seen the film 3 times so far.

I'll always love the Ron/Hermione kiss in Deathly Hallows Part 2. In fact it is one of my favorite scenes in the movie. But I'd say the scene near the end of the movie where Ron and Hermione walks into the Great Hall, holding hands, and Harry sees them, then they look at their hands, is quite possibly the cutest Ron/Hermione moment I've ever seen! I just love it so much!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsw8QruXGg

this is new and after hearing david and emma's comments on the dance, i don't know how anyone can defend that the dance is simply platonic. it's clearly not at all suppose to be just that. david yates even says the most important part is at the end when they almost kiss but don't. he even has that huge grin on his face.

it's actually a bit insulting that 1 minute after hermione tells ron that "it's nothing," she is then "easily" almost kissing harry. such a pointless scene.

I'll always love the Ron/Hermione kiss in Deathly Hallows Part 2. In fact it is one of my favorite scenes in the movie. But I'd say the scene near the end of the movie where Ron and Hermione walks into the Great Hall, holding hands, and Harry sees them, then they look at their hands, is quite possibly the cutest Ron/Hermione moment I've ever seen! I just love it so much!

Me too! I love that scene. The hand holding was just so adorable. Consider me a pleased Ron/Hermione fan :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsw8QruXGg

this is new and after hearing david and emma's comments on the dance, i don't know how anyone can defend that the dance is simply platonic. it's clearly not at all suppose to be just that. david yates even says the most important part is at the end when they almost kiss but don't. he even has that huge grin on his face.

it's actually a bit insulting that 1 minute after hermione tells ron that "it's nothing," she is then "easily" almost kissing harry. such a pointless scene.

I was shocked when I saw them say that because I never picked up on the romantic undertones of it at all. I think it's a decent scene. For me it just really showed the closeness of their friendship. It was funny and cute. They both needed a bit of a release.

i defeinetly don't think it was meant to be seductive or romantic at all, definetly a much needed moral booster for the too after not talking to each other for weeks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsw8QruXGg

this is new and after hearing david and emma's comments on the dance, i don't know how anyone can defend that the dance is simply platonic. it's clearly not at all suppose to be just that. david yates even says the most important part is at the end when they almost kiss but don't. he even has that huge grin on his face.

it's actually a bit insulting that 1 minute after hermione tells ron that "it's nothing," she is then "easily" almost kissing harry. such a pointless scene.
Thanks for the link, I found that really neat! I think that the directors interpretation of that part of the books is interesting. I wonder if this came before or after JKR's interview on the "charged moments" between Harry and Hermione. I thought it worked well for the movie. In just the movie's context, it would make sense for there to be a little bit of non platonic interest between the two of them (and it would make sense if there wasn't either) imo. I don't think it is that insulting to Ron either. We all know Hermione loves him, but at that point she probably thought she'd never see him again, or at least for a very long time. Her and Harry are both vulnerable and alone - they are all they have left.

I think the movie took a good opportunity to throw something more light and sweet in. It could be seen as a nice platonic scene, or a hint of romantic tension scene, but it still gives off the same atmosphere in terms of giving the audience a bit of a break from all the dark things happening to the characters imo.

I think they did intend romantic tension. I think Harry's dorky dancing can be interpreted that way. That is what the actors and directors intended and that is what it was. That is what i thought the first time i saw the scene and that is certainly what the audience i was with thought as well.

Thanks for the link, I found that really neat! I think that the directors interpretation of that part of the books is interesting. I wonder if this came before or after JKR's interview on the "charged moments" between Harry and Hermione.

Jo Rowling mentioned that in an interview she did with Melissa Anelli for her book Harry, a History in 2008. Which I guess is when Steve Kloves was writing the DH screenplay as she mentions a conversation she had with him.

"I tried very hard to soften it, I suppose," Jo said. "Just because someone had a view on Harry/Hermione didn't mean they weren't genuine, or that they were necessarily misguided. In fact, I will say this, Steve Kloves who has been the script writer [on the Potter films], who is enormously insightful on the series and a very good friend, after he read book seven he said to me, 'You, know, I thought something was going to happen between Harry and Hermione, and I didn't know whether I wanted it or not.'

"I had always planned that Harry's true soul mate, which I stand by, is Ginny, and that Ron and Hermione have this combative but mutual attraction. They will always bicker, there will always be rough edges there, but they are pulled together, each has something the other needs."

I stared at her, sensing she wasn't finished, and a sense of foreboding crept in around the edges.

"[Kloves] felt a certain pulll between them at that point. And I think he's right. There are moments when [Harry and Hermione] touch, which are charged moments. One when she touches his hair as he sits on the hiltop reading about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and [two] the moment when they walk out of the graveyard with their arms around each other."

I was holding my breath at this point. She wasn't done.

"Now the fact is that Hermione shares moments with Harry that Ron will never be able to participate in. He walked out. She shared something very instense with Harry.

"So I think it could have gone that way."

Basically, the only time she mentioned something could have happened between Harry and Hermione was after she had a talk with the HP films screenwriter about his interpretation of the book. She also mentioned in the same interview that Ginny is Harry’s true soul mate but I don’t think they really took that into consideration for the films. :)

I think it’s a bit disappointing that the screenwriter and the director couldn’t help but create some sort of love triangle because, to me, it completely changes the trio’s dynamic and sort of diminishes Harry and Ron’s friendship.

I think it’s a bit disappointing that the screenwriter and the director couldn’t help but create some sort of love triangle because, to me, it completely changes the trio’s dynamic and sort of diminishes Harry and Ron’s friendship.
I think at the point of the dance scene, Harry and Ron's friendship had already been diminished by Ron leaving. I think Harry and Hermione both probably felt a bit betrayed by Ron, and thought they'd never see him again. The triangle was extremely subtle, and in the end the writers and director stayed true to the books in terms of the final couples. To me it kind of looked like they were toying with the idea a little, but in the end avoided it because it just didn't feel right.

Perhaps the dance and almost kiss was meant to give the audience a frame of reference as to where Ron's insecurity about Hermione preferring Harry over him. And so the dance should be viewed in conjunction with the locket kiss scene.

I think it’s a bit disappointing that the screenwriter and the director couldn’t help but create some sort of love triangle because, to me, it completely changes the trio’s dynamic and sort of diminishes Harry and Ron’s friendship.

I agree that it diminishes the trios friendship to have a scene like that in the film, but the friendships are already so different in the films and i always think of the scene in the context of what is going on with the locket effecting them even though Hermione took it off.

Perhaps the dance and almost kiss was meant to give the audience a frame of reference as to where Ron's insecurity about Hermione preferring Harry over him. And so the dance should be viewed in conjunction with the locket kiss scene.

but the point was that ron had NOTHING to worry about. it was happening inside his head because of all his insecurities and his inferiority complex. hermione never made a choice between harry and ron because for her it was always ron. david yates seems to be suggesting that there always was something there between harry and hermione, it just takes them being alone to acknowledge it. in the book, what jkr wrote was that harry saw hermione like a sister. the movies changed this completely.

I think at the point of the dance scene, Harry and Ron's friendship had already been diminished by Ron leaving. I think Harry and Hermione both probably felt a bit betrayed by Ron, and thought they'd never see him again. The triangle was extremely subtle, and in the end the writers and director stayed true to the books in terms of the final couples. To me it kind of looked like they were toying with the idea a little, but in the end avoided it because it just didn't feel right.

I understand that they were toying with the idea but by doing that they changed the trio’s dynamic and if you change the trio’s dynamic then you need to expand on that “love triangle” but they didn’t do that. Harry never reacts to what Ron sees when he destroys the horcrux and Harry and Hermione never talk about their possible attraction. I don’t get the point of toying with an idea if you’re not going to use it in your film.

I agree that it diminishes the trios friendship to have a scene like that in the film, but the friendships are already so different in the films and i always think of the scene in the context of what is going on with the locket effecting them even though Hermione took it off.

Maybe if they had included some dialogue between Harry and Hermione that would have cleared things up. In DH1, Harry and Hermione never talk about how they feel about Ron abandoning them. It works in the book because we know what Harry is thinking but I feel like the dance scene doesn’t work and Harry doesn't seem to mind that Ron is gone.

but the point was that ron had NOTHING to worry about. it was happening inside his head because of all his insecurities and his inferiority complex. hermione never made a choice between harry and ron because for her it was always ron. david yates seems to be suggesting that there always was something there between harry and hermione, it just takes them being alone to acknowledge it. in the book, what jkr wrote was that harry saw hermione like a sister. the movies changed this completely.

Agreed. Harry did see Hermione as a sister in the books, but in the movies it seems like the screenwriters were pushing their buttons with their relationship. I'm just happy they somewhat followed the books and in the end the couples that were suppose to be together ended up being a couple. :)

Do any of you consider this a romantic moment between Hermione and Ron?

When Hermione and Ron are chased down the stairs by Nagini, in slow motion, Ron shoots a spell at her which has no effect at all and she keeps charging at them.
Hermione and Ron stumble backwards into a heap of rubble.
Apparently they have run out of basilisk fangs or whatever means to defend themselves and to kill Nagini.

When Ron cradles Hermione and shields her with his own body it seemed they were about to die as I thought both were crying in despair.

Then suddenly Neville rushes forwards and cuts Nagini's head off with the Sword of Gryffindor. When the remains of Nagini dissolve in clouds of smoke there is this short flash back to the heap of rubble with Ron still cradling Hermione with this expression of relief, 'we're still alive', on their faces.

I thought their acting was great and am pleased this moment is perfectly captured in this new poster:

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4426/momentsdh21.jpg

Do any of you consider this a romantic moment between Hermione and Ron?

When Hermione and Ron are chased down the stairs by Nagini, in slow motion, Ron shoots a spell at her which has no effect at all and she keeps charging at them.
Hermione and Ron stumble backwards into a heap of rubble.
Apparently they have run out of basilisk fangs or whatever means to defend themselves and to kill Nagini.

When Ron cradles Hermione and shields her with his own body it seemed they were about to die as I thought both were crying in despair.

Then suddenly Neville rushes forwards and cuts Nagini's head off with the Sword of Gryffindor. When the remains of Nagini dissolve in clouds of smoke there is this short flash back to the heap of rubble with Ron still cradling Hermione with this expression of relief, 'we're still alive', on their faces.

I thought their acting was great and am pleased this moment is perfectly captured in this new poster:

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4426/momentsdh21.jpg

Yes of course I consider that a romantic moment between them. It was really cute <3. Awww Ron protecting Hermione so adorable. There's a scene in the Behind The Magic where Rupert Grint mentions that scene and says they both have to fall "romantically" because it's after their kiss and they are now somewhat of a couple :)

I love that poster <3

But Harry does catch Ginny's eye at the end of the film in the great hall. She has a really intense look on her face and they clearly notice each other.

Yes, I was wrong. I thought Ginny didn’t notice Harry but she does look at him. I think my main complaint is that the moment goes by so fast I’m not sure people really notice it. But then I don’t really like the scene where Harry is walking through the Great Hall and hardly anyone pays attention to him. I just think it’s weird that Ginny is shown to be screaming when she thinks Harry is dead and the next thing you know, she’s married to Harry. A quick moment where they acknowledge each other and notice they are alive would have been nice. But I'm nitpicking. :)

I think David Yates and/or Steve Kloves (more Steve Kloves) are Harry/Hermione shippers. Which bothers me. A lot.

Well, I loved the dance scene. I always found their relationship more meaningful and better developed than the 'official' pairings. H/G and R/Hr to me, seemed too easy, more of a summer fling than something with longevity, but thats just my opinion.

The dance scene just gave us more fanvideo material lol! Us Harmony's can still live in hope, thats what fanfiction is for hehe!

Agreed. Harry did see Hermione as a sister in the books, but in the movies it seems like the screenwriters were pushing their buttons with their relationship. I'm just happy they somewhat followed the books and in the end the couples that were suppose to be together ended up being a couple. :)

I wish they included the quote when Ron came back and saved Harry from the Horcrux strangling him in the pond, and Harry said something like, "I love her like a sister. I thought you knew."

I think that would have made things more clear after the dance scene.

One of the romantic scenes that I remember in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part II is where Harry and Ginny make out at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardy before the battle starts. That is my favorite scene.

I'm really disappointed that the Harry/Hermione kiss won an award at the Teen Choice Award. Maybe next year the Ron/Hermione kiss will win <3

^^ I agree!! I don't even consider that a "real" kiss...

I'm really disappointed that the Harry/Hermione kiss won an award at the Teen Choice Award. Maybe next year the Ron/Hermione kiss will win <3

I agree.. the R/Hr kiss was real passion where the H/Hr was supposed to be like, fake passion. I mean, what am I saying? The R/Hr kiss wasn't so much passion than it was two people who have loved each other for years finally kissing...and so much more of a true kiss. Ah. Oh well.

I'm really disappointed that the Harry/Hermione kiss won an award at the Teen Choice Award. Maybe next year the Ron/Hermione kiss will win <3

Why was this even nominated in the first place? That bothers me even more than the fact that they won. The kiss wasn't real because Harry and Hermione aren't in love.

Why was this even nominated in the first place? That bothers me even more than the fact that they won. The kiss wasn't real because Harry and Hermione aren't in love.

I know right? I don't even know if the Ron and Hermione kiss was nominated because it just showed the awards they won at the end (7 awards).

Yates torpedoed the Ron/Hermione kiss by not even bothering to get the camera angle right. The R/Hr kiss won't win anything because we never actually see Ron's and Hermione's lips connect.

I think the Ron/Hermione kiss was done that way because I think it was difficult to get Rupert and Emma to get into it. Their interviews make it seem that it wasn't exactly the thing either was looking forward to (well, at least that Emma wasn't looking forward to).

I think the Ron/Hermione kiss was done that way because I think it was difficult to get Rupert and Emma to get into it. Their interviews make it seem that it wasn't exactly the thing either was looking forward to (well, at least that Emma wasn't looking forward to).

Then why did they use the first take. The first take was what they showed in the film and your theory would only work if they had done several takes and it hadn't worked so Yates decided to hide the kiss somewhat.

At least Rupert and Emma seemed to be equal partners in the kiss. The locket kiss between Emma and Dan had Emma do all the work while Dan just stood there like a tree.

Then why did they use the first take. The first take was what they showed in the film and your theory would only work if they had done several takes and it hadn't worked so Yates decided to hide the kiss somewhat.

At least Rupert and Emma seemed to be equal partners in the kiss. The locket kiss between Emma and Dan had Emma do all the work while Dan just stood there like a tree.

I don't know about which take it was. Just that both Emma and Rupert talked about how awkward it was, and that there is a vid on Youtube with Emma and Rupert going in for the kiss, and failing because they are giggling/laughing too much.

I don't know about which take it was. Just that both Emma and Rupert talked about how awkward it was, and that there is a vid on Youtube with Emma and Rupert going in for the kiss, and failing because they are giggling/laughing too much.

There is also Dan saying that "it was a hell of a snog" and Yates saying that they did great. Unforuntely we didn't get to see any of that as Yates didn't give us the camera angle we needed to actually see the kiss.

I think David Yates and/or Steve Kloves (more Steve Kloves) are Harry/Hermione shippers. Which bothers me. A lot.

In my opinion, I don't see directors & screenwriters as part of the HP fandom shipper wars. When I see the movies, I don't see anything that implies Hermione & Harry are romantically inclined at all. In fact, from the first movie, it seemed clear (to me, anyway), that Hermione & Ron were attracted to each other from the minute she walked into Harry & Ron's train car on the Hogwarts Express. In my opinion, by DH the signs are so obvious that Ron & Hermione are emotionally attached to each other as a couple.

In my opinion, I don't see directors & screenwriters as part of the HP fandom shipper wars. When I see the movies, I don't see anything that implies Hermione & Harry are romantically inclined at all. In fact, from the first movie, it seemed clear (to me, anyway), that Hermione & Ron were attracted to each other from the minute she walked into Harry & Ron's train car on the Hogwarts Express. In my opinion, by DH the signs are so obvious that Ron & Hermione are emotionally attached to each other as a couple.

Expect Steve Kloves. He's defiantly a H/H shipper, it's so obvious.

Really? In the first movie I though it was going to be Harry and Hermione liking each other as well in the first book. But once I read the second book and saw COS it was defiantly Ron and Hermione all the way because of all the little hints. Then of course with each new book and movie their relationship grows until they finally are a couple.

The problem is of course the whole "love triangle" that doesn't even exist in the books but in part 1 they make it seem like it does. And of course the fact that Harry and Hermione get a lot of screen time compare to Ron.

I don't know it just bothers me..........

Expect Steve Kloves. He's defiantly a H/H shipper, it's so obvious.

Really? In the first movie I though it was going to be Harry and Hermione liking each other as well in the first book. But once I read the second book and saw COS it was defiantly Ron and Hermione all the way because of all the little hints. Then of course with each new book and movie their relationship grows until they finally are a couple.

The problem is of course the whole "love triangle" that doesn't even exist in the books but in part 1 they make it seem like it does. And of course the fact that Harry and Hermione get a lot of screen time compare to Ron.

I don't know it just bothers me..........

I just don't see any Harry/Hermione romantic leanings in the films. I actually didn't read the discussion online about the supposed intent of Kloves/Yates in the dancing scene early on, so that speculation wasn't in my mind when I saw the film. Just because Harry & Hermione have some scenes where they seem to have a close relationship, doesn't mean it's automatically a romantic one. When I first saw the dance scene, I saw two depressed people caught in a difficult & stressful situation, who find a couple minutes of solace in a sweet, goofy dance scene. And Ron had less screen time in DH1 because he left for a stretch of time.

I just don't see any Harry/Hermione romantic leanings in the films. I actually didn't read the discussion online about the supposed intent of Kloves/Yates in the dancing scene early on, so that speculation wasn't in my mind when I saw the film. Just because Harry & Hermione have some scenes where they seem to have a close relationship, doesn't mean it's automatically a romantic one. When I first saw the dance scene, I saw two depressed people caught in a difficult & stressful situation, who find a couple minutes of solace in a sweet, goofy dance scene. And Ron had less screen time in DH1 because he left for a stretch of time.

Hmmm that interesting. I totally see sexual tension when I see the dance mostly the start and the end of the dance. Especially at the end when it looks like they are going to kiss. The middle not so much.

Screen time or not, to me it just seems like the screenwriters prefer Harry/Hermione over Ron/Hermione.

I know this has been mentioned a lot, but in the books, I did not see any triangle between Harry, Ron, or Hermione either because it didn't exist. As one poster mentioned, I was sure of a Ron and Hermione relationship after reading CoS. Only the movies wanted to point out a possible H/Hr relationship. Also, after CoS I felt for certain that Harry and Ginny would end up together (or perhaps Luna? after OotP for one brief moment). I think the screenwriters felt the need to insinuate a H/Hr pairing to make a more interesting romantic movie plot; however, I felt that to be so unnecessary.

Then why did they use the first take. The first take was what they showed in the film and your theory would only work if they had done several takes and it hadn't worked so Yates decided to hide the kiss somewhat.

At least Rupert and Emma seemed to be equal partners in the kiss. The locket kiss between Emma and Dan had Emma do all the work while Dan just stood there like a tree.

That's probably how they intended it. The kiss is a projection of Ron's fears and insecurities. Ron fears that Hermione loves Harry instead of him, so he would imagnie Hermione being the more aggressive one.

And the MTV movie awards once gave best kiss to "Dumb and Dumber" where the kiss scene was actually from a dream sequence, so it doesn't really have to be a part of the main story.

Yates torpedoed the Ron/Hermione kiss by not even bothering to get the camera angle right. The R/Hr kiss won't win anything because we never actually see Ron's and Hermione's lips connect.
Perhaps Rupert and Emma weren't comfortable with having to touch each other's lips in a passionate kiss.

Perhaps Rupert and Emma weren't comfortable with having to touch each other's lips in a passionate kiss.

But Dan and Emma were? :/

I remember Emma saying that kissing Dan or Rupert would be awkward.

But in the movies, the Riddle-locket kiss scene was way more passionate than the Ron/Hermione one.

They could have at least made it last longer and maybe shown it in different angles, like it does in the book (or that's at least how I imagine it, lol).

In my opinion, I don't see directors & screenwriters as part of the HP fandom shipper wars. When I see the movies, I don't see anything that implies Hermione & Harry are romantically inclined at all. In fact, from the first movie, it seemed clear (to me, anyway), that Hermione & Ron were attracted to each other from the minute she walked into Harry & Ron's train car on the Hogwarts Express. In my opinion, by DH the signs are so obvious that Ron & Hermione are emotionally attached to each other as a couple.

I understand what you're saying, but I think the reason that everyone thinks Harry and Hermione look more romantically inclined is because they have WAY more screen time than Harry and Ron do. And the scene especially in the last movie where Hermione hugs Harry and Ron just stands ten feet away...there are so many other scenes like that in the other movies as well. I think if there were more Harry and Ron scenes, and that if Ron had more lines, nobody would think one second about H/Hr in the movies. Plus the fact that Dan and Emma have a lot of chemistry doesn't help, either.

I don't think the fact that you couldn't see the lips touching made any difference. :huh:

The R/H kiss was lovely and passionate.

It looked to me like he was reaching up towards her left breast with his right hand during the kiss, so I'd say "Yes".

No offence but Dan didn't do a good job in the locket kiss as Emma was clearly doing all the work while Dan just stood their like a tree (in fact i think at one point he was leaning away from Emma).

The locket kiss they used the 4th or 5th take and it still looked terrible but with the Ron/Hermione kiss they used the first take and while the camera angle was pathetic Rupert and Emma at least looked like they were equal partners in the kiss.

No offence but Dan didn't do a good job in the locket kiss as Emma was clearly doing all the work while Dan just stood their like a tree (in fact i think at one point he was leaning away from Emma).

The locket kiss they used the 4th or 5th take and it still looked terrible but with the Ron/Hermione kiss they used the first take and while the camera angle was pathetic Rupert and Emma at least looked like they were equal partners in the kiss.

The Harry and Hermione kiss was just really awkward for me, it didn't feel right :scared:

The Harry and Hermione kiss was just really awkward for me, it didn't feel right :scared:

It didn't feel right because it wasn't real, for one thing. It was the locket torturing Ron about his anxieties that Hermione might prefer Harry over him. And as there's no romantic leanings between Harry & Hermione, of course the audience doesn't believe the scenario the locket horcrux creates.

It didn't feel right because it wasn't real, for one thing. It was the locket torturing Ron about his anxieties that Hermione might prefer Harry over him. And as there's no romantic leanings between Harry & Hermione, of course the audience doesn't believe the scenario the locket horcrux creates.

Did someone tell Steve Kloves?

Seriously, the movies certainly leave the matter of a potential spark between Harry and Hermione a greater possibility than the books do.

It didn't feel right because it wasn't real, for one thing. It was the locket torturing Ron about his anxieties that Hermione might prefer Harry over him. And as there's no romantic leanings between Harry & Hermione, of course the audience doesn't believe the scenario the locket horcrux creates.

But in Ron's mind, it was a definite possibility. Ron has always lived in someone else's shadow, whether it's his brothers or Harry. He's always felt inferior in some way. Naturally, he had those feelings of insecurity when it came to Hermione. Why would she choose him over Harry? So just because the audience knows better, it doesn't mean that Ron does.

And Kloves didn't invent the kiss. It happens in the book.

Did someone tell Steve Kloves?

Seriously, the movies certainly leave the matter of a potential spark between Harry and Hermione a greater possibility than the books do.

I'd say that the movies put to bed the idea of anything between them, especially with the last two. Harry told Ron that Hermione was "like a sister" to him. That's that.

As for the notion of a triangle, I thought its portrayal was justified in DH1, simply because it was something that set Ron off when he left. He perceived being left out and feeling like a third wheel. The horcrux only manifested his insecurities, causing him to see things that just weren't there.

:::shrug::: I had no problem with the kiss or the "triangle", probably because I knew how it all turned out in the books.

And Kloves didn't invent the kiss. It happens in the book.

In the books, it was "their lips bet". In the movies, it was a full-blown scene of them half naked, making out. :scared:

I'd say that the movies put to bed the idea of anything between them, especially with the last two. Harry told Ron that Hermione was "like a sister" to him. That's that.

When was that? I remember it happening in the books, but definitely not in the movies.

Anyways, I always felt like there was a possibility of H-Hr way more in the movies, and none in the books. Dan and Emma have much chemistry onstage, and also, the fact that Harry and Ron's bromance is left out so much and it focuses on Hermione more doesn't help either.

I'm not really shocked to see this discussion still going strong.

And this has been said countless times, but the Horcrux!Harry/Hermione kiss was to make you feel uncomfortable. It's wrong on so many different levels because of half-nakedness and how Hermione/Emma "attacks" him. It felt wrong watching it.

And that's exactly what it was supposed to do.

And I've heard the complaints about the bad angle on the R/Hr kiss. I was disappointed too, but I can't honestly say that it wasn't passionate. Yes, we didn't see their lips touch, but I was actually surprised at how passionate it was. It was definitely not what I expected for their kiss, but I wasn't disappointed, overall, by it.

In the books, it was "their lips bet". In the movies, it was a full-blown scene of them half naked, making out. :scared:



When was that? I remember it happening in the books, but definitely not in the movies.

Anyways, I always felt like there was a possibility of H-Hr way more in the movies, and none in the books. Dan and Emma have much chemistry onstage, and also, the fact that Harry and Ron's bromance is left out so much and it focuses on Hermione more doesn't help either.

Perhaps I'm mixing up the books and movie. The point is that I don't see how anyone watching DH1 could come away from it feeling like there was still a triangle. And it certainly becomes even more of a non-issue in DH2.

As for Ron and Harry's "bromance", well, that's a topic for another thread. However, I think that the books and movies depicted it well.

I'm not really shocked to see this discussion still going strong.

And this has been said countless times, but the Horcrux!Harry/Hermione kiss was to make you feel uncomfortable. It's wrong on so many different levels because of half-nakedness and how Hermione/Emma "attacks" him. It felt wrong watching it.

And that's exactly what it was supposed to do.

And I've heard the complaints about the bad angle on the R/Hr kiss. I was disappointed too, but I can't honestly say that it wasn't passionate. Yes, we didn't see their lips touch, but I was actually surprised at how passionate it was. It was definitely not what I expected for their kiss, but I wasn't disappointed, overall, by it.

Yes! I agree with all of that! This whole discussion amuses me to no end. It's all so much splitting hairs. The fact is that Ron and Hermione are together as they should be. Did Kloves take small liberties? Sure, but I they were small. Had he went further, I feel quite confident that Jo would have "put a stopper" in it.

I'm not really shocked to see this discussion still going strong.

And this has been said countless times, but the Horcrux!Harry/Hermione kiss was to make you feel uncomfortable. It's wrong on so many different levels because of half-nakedness and how Hermione/Emma "attacks" him. It felt wrong watching it.

And that's exactly what it was supposed to do.

And I've heard the complaints about the bad angle on the R/Hr kiss. I was disappointed too, but I can't honestly say that it wasn't passionate. Yes, we didn't see their lips touch, but I was actually surprised at how passionate it was. It was definitely not what I expected for their kiss, but I wasn't disappointed, overall, by it.

Both Rupert and Emma have said that it was awkward kissing each other because they're like brother and sister. I think (I don't remember where I saw this) that Rupert has even said that he would rather kiss Dan! XD I was worried before the movie that their kiss would look awkward, but it didn't. I thought it was really good, and if the camera angle was necessary to make it look better, or them feel better about it, then awesome.

I thought the Riddle Harry/Riddle Hermione kiss in the movie was better than the one in the book, actually. It's supposed to be Ron's heart's greatest fear, and I think he would be more worried/scared of them passionately making out than just one kiss. I thought it was cool how they looked all perfect and sort of shiny, too.

Did someone tell Steve Kloves?

Seriously, the movies certainly leave the matter of a potential spark between Harry and Hermione a greater possibility than the books do.

Really? I didn't see it at all. Neither did my sister or her husband (she's never read any of the books, he has). When I've asked other non-readers about DH1, I simply asked which characters they thought were together. All of them started with 'Ron & Hermione" without hesitation. I'm not sure why some see a strong hint at Harry & Hermione, but if my friends & family are any indication, whatever Kloves was trying to imply didn't work.

Really? I didn't see it at all. Neither did my sister or her husband (she's never read any of the books, he has). When I've asked other non-readers about DH1, I simply asked which characters they thought were together. All of them started with 'Ron & Hermione" without hesitation. I'm not sure why some see a strong hint at Harry & Hermione, but if my friends & family are any indication, whatever Kloves was trying to imply didn't work.

My friends (who haven't read the books) thought that Harry and Hermione would get together eventually and I was surprised by their comments. Also I remember watching OotP in theaters and when Harry kissed Cho the guy next to me ask about Hermione? 0_0..........

My friends (who haven't read the books) thought that Harry and Hermione would get together eventually and I was surprised by their comments. Also I remember watching OotP in theaters and when Harry kissed Cho the guy next to me ask about Hermione? 0_0..........

Interesting. Personally, I can't see how anyone would think Hermione & Ron aren't heading for a serious relationship after the Yule Ball scenes, if not POA.

Really? I didn't see it at all. Neither did my sister or her husband (she's never read any of the books, he has). When I've asked other non-readers about DH1, I simply asked which characters they thought were together. All of them started with 'Ron & Hermione" without hesitation. I'm not sure why some see a strong hint at Harry & Hermione, but if my friends & family are any indication, whatever Kloves was trying to imply didn't work.

Well, it may not have worked for you, but empirically it did "work" (sometimes very negatively!) for other folks. I have seen lots of people complaining about Kloves's "Harmony-shipping," even on CoS itself. Conversely, I have never seen anyone observe more Harmony-shipping in the books than in the films. Some people have wished there was more, but that's a different story.

I think there's a correlation between seeing Kloves Harmony-shipping and being more familiar with the books. Obviously, it's not 100 percent. But I do think that knowing the books well and seeing the stronger Ron-Hermione connection there is a substantial deterrent to seeing Harry-Hermione.

I was alright with the "love triangle" in DH, because you know that it's really only friendship between Harry and Hermione. However, I felt there was far too less Harry/Ron friendship in DH. On the end when Harry goes to the forest, I found it unacceptable they don't even hug.

Interesting. Personally, I can't see how anyone would think Hermione & Ron aren't heading for a serious relationship after the Yule Ball scenes, if not POA.

Exactly. Even in PoA you can tell something's blossoming between the two of them, that scene where Hermione grabs Ron's hand is telling.

Well, it may not have worked for you, but empirically it did "work" (sometimes very negatively!) for other folks. I have seen lots of people complaining about Kloves's "Harmony-shipping," even on CoS itself. Conversely, I have never seen anyone observe more Harmony-shipping in the books than in the films. Some people have wished there was more, but that's a different story.

I think there's a correlation between seeing Kloves Harmony-shipping and being more familiar with the books. Obviously, it's not 100 percent. But I do think that knowing the books well and seeing the stronger Ron-Hermione connection there is a substantial deterrent to seeing Harry-Hermione.

While the books are more balanced than the movies, there is no real evidence that the screenwriters or directors of the HP movies are "Harry-Hermione shippers". Shipping is a phenomenum of fandom sites, where some are either totally committed to a romantic relationship that doesn't exist in the books, or feel the need to ardently defend one that does. Kloves is part of the movie industry, and we know the movies take a certain amount of license from the books (dragon in Triwizard for example). I don't think anyone should be surprised by that.

But I also don't see anything in the movies strong enough to support a Harry-Hermione romantic relationship. It's my opinion that some people interpret the closeness of Harry & Hermione, as friends and/or Harry's definition of siblings, as romantic, but that doesn't mean it is. Close friendships can be every bit as intimate as romantic relationships/marriage (sometimes moreso), but that does not mean romantic feelings are involved. The dance scene in DH1 -- which in my view is the only possible (but not probable) example of movie relationship ambiguity -- is not definitively romantic at all. Both Dan and Emma did a great job of portraying two very discouraged people at an emotional lowpoint, finding a couple minutes of distraction from their problems in a goofy dance; just looking for a moment or two of normalcy. There is a closeness between them, but not romance.

Kloves is part of the movie industry, and we know the movies take a certain amount of license from the books (dragon in Triwizard for example). I don't think anyone should be surprised by that.

I didn't mean to mislead anyone into thinking that I'm accusing Kloves of Harmony-shipping, only that he has been accused of that. That being said, although I don't recall Kloves's perspective specifically on the dancing scene, I do remember reading an interview in which the actors said that they were instructed to put some romantic tension into that scene. I think a viewing of that scene supports that to some extent (acknowledging that such interpretation is fraught with projection, of course!).

It's important to realize that there is a spectrum of romantic elements, ranging from no connotation at all to full-blown affair. The fact that Ron and Hermione are clearly destined for each other (which I certainly do not deny) does not preclude the possibility of romantic tension between Hermione and Harry! I think the books leave this essentially unexplored, while the films do not; it's just that the books don't go very far down this road--the dancing scene being pretty much the furthest extent. It starts out as a friendly canter, yes, but I think by the end that glance (and Hermione's later evasive "Don't ever let me give you a haircut again") marks it as something a little less playful, for the two of them at least.

I didn't mean to mislead anyone into thinking that I'm accusing Kloves of Harmony-shipping, only that he has been accused of that. That being said, although I don't recall Kloves's perspective specifically on the dancing scene, I do remember reading an interview in which the actors said that they were instructed to put some romantic tension into that scene. I think a viewing of that scene supports that to some extent (acknowledging that such interpretation is fraught with projection, of course!).

It's important to realize that there is a spectrum of romantic elements, ranging from no connotation at all to full-blown affair. The fact that Ron and Hermione are clearly destined for each other (which I certainly do not deny) does not preclude the possibility of romantic tension between Hermione and Harry! I think the books leave this essentially unexplored, while the films do not; it's just that the books don't go very far down this road--the dancing scene being pretty much the furthest extent. It starts out as a friendly canter, yes, but I think by the end that glance (and Hermione's later evasive "Don't ever let me give you a haircut again") marks it as something a little less playful, for the two of them at least.

You bring up the "don't let me give you a haircut again" line, implying there's some sort of coded message in there about avoiding romantic inclinations. I don't see anything like that. In the movie, Hermione is giving Harry a haircut when she realizes that the sword is imbued with basilisk venom. This of course leads to the animated conversation Harry & Hermione have about the fact that the sword can destroy horcruxes. That's it. It's the conversation that leads Ron to let his anxiety get the better of him thanks to the locket horcrux.

There's a lot of speculation on the HP boards about what Harry was about to say to Hermione when she cuts in with the remark about the haircut. But it's only speculation, and it seems to be put forth by posters who also believe the dance was romantic. So I think the correlation is in the minds of the people who already view the dance scene as romantic to begin with.

In my opinion, I think Harry was on the verge of telling Hermione he was sorry about the fight that preceded Ron's leaving. But as Hermione already knows that Harry regrets the fight, and more importantly, that it wasn't the reason for Ron's leaving, she simply uses the comment as a way of saying "forget it, not anyone's fault".

Again, I think there's a tendency for some to not accept that friends (or in Harry's case, he sees Hermione as a sister) can be very close, with intimate moments. Intimacy is not restricted to romance, and never has been. I think if viewers already accept that, there's no way to see romance in that dance. Harry trying to goad Hermione out of her mood for a bit (and trying to do the same for himself), yes; a bit of awkwardness at the end, of course....because they're both immediately back to hiding out on the run, no further on the horcruxes, missing Ron, and not knowing where to turn next.

I guess I'm just not willing to be so absolute about it as to say there's no way to see romance in that scene, even granting what you say about intimacy and romance (which I agree with).

You bring up the "don't let me give you a haircut again" line, implying there's some sort of coded message in there about avoiding romantic inclinations. I don't see anything like that. In the movie, Hermione is giving Harry a haircut when she realizes that the sword is imbued with basilisk venom. This of course leads to the animated conversation Harry & Hermione have about the fact that the sword can destroy horcruxes. That's it. It's the conversation that leads Ron to let his anxiety get the better of him thanks to the locket horcrux.

There's a lot of speculation on the HP boards about what Harry was about to say to Hermione when she cuts in with the remark about the haircut. But it's only speculation, and it seems to be put forth by posters who also believe the dance was romantic. So I think the correlation is in the minds of the people who already view the dance scene as romantic to begin with.

In my opinion, I think Harry was on the verge of telling Hermione he was sorry about the fight that preceded Ron's leaving. But as Hermione already knows that Harry regrets the fight, and more importantly, that it wasn't the reason for Ron's leaving, she simply uses the comment as a way of saying "forget it, not anyone's fault".

Again, I think there's a tendency for some to not accept that friends (or in Harry's case, he sees Hermione as a sister) can be very close, with intimate moments. Intimacy is not restricted to romance, and never has been. I think if viewers already accept that, there's no way to see romance in that dance. Harry trying to goad Hermione out of her mood for a bit (and trying to do the same for himself), yes; a bit of awkwardness at the end, of course....because they're both immediately back to hiding out on the run, no further on the horcruxes, missing Ron, and not knowing where to turn next.

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Perfect post. I completely agree.

I think a lot of people just like the idea of Harry/Hermione, or go into the series with an assumption that Harry will end up with Hermione because he's the hero, and she's the series' leading girl. So with these thoughts, people watch the movies and see what they want to see--interpreting (and projecting) "romance" in scenes with Harry and Hermione that really isn't there.

Then there are the die-hard Hermione/Ron shippers who get annoyed because they perceive Ron's character as being slighted in comparison to Hermione's character in the film. Since Hermione is perceived as "more important" in the movies to some than Ron is, it makes her seem elevated and thus, "closer" to our hero, Harry. And if Hemione seems like she's closer to Harry than she is to Ron, that adds to the illusion that she is romantically interested in Harry rather than Ron. I personally don't see it this way. Even in the books, imo, Hermione IS closer to Harry than she is to Ron, and it has everything to do with her being romantically interested in Ron, not Harry. She is more comfortable with Harry. She interacts more with Harry than she does with Ron because her relationship with Ron is complicated by her feelings for him (and his for her)--the love/hate arguing, and the uncertainty (from both parties) regarding how the other feels. Harry & Hermione's relationship does not have any of these complications because throughout the series, they are both romantically interested in other people, and therefore able to have a more easy-going friendship without the tension they feel for the people they ARE romantically interested in.

On screen--on a surface level, I suppose, this translates into "Hermione is nice/friendlier/more interactive with Harry than Ron, so therefore, she and Harry are supposed to be together."
Then there's the issue of Harry & Ginny just being completely under-developed and awkward in the movies.

Even still--it does baffle me how people get so caught up in whatever moments they think hint at Harry & Hermione when the movies have been dropping such heavy hints of Ron & Hermione since COS. R/H start in the films 2 whole enstallments before the books. So yeah...
I put this in the same boat as "DH tried to make it seem that Snape was Harry's father." Err...what? No...not really. :lol:

You bring up the "don't let me give you a haircut again" line, implying there's some sort of coded message in there about avoiding romantic inclinations. I don't see anything like that. In the movie, Hermione is giving Harry a haircut when she realizes that the sword is imbued with basilisk venom. This of course leads to the animated conversation Harry & Hermione have about the fact that the sword can destroy horcruxes. That's it. It's the conversation that leads Ron to let his anxiety get the better of him thanks to the locket horcrux.

There's a lot of speculation on the HP boards about what Harry was about to say to Hermione when she cuts in with the remark about the haircut. But it's only speculation, and it seems to be put forth by posters who also believe the dance was romantic. So I think the correlation is in the minds of the people who already view the dance scene as romantic to begin with.


A very good point, and one that I agree with :agree:

In my opinion, I think Harry was on the verge of telling Hermione he was sorry about the fight that preceded Ron's leaving. But as Hermione already knows that Harry regrets the fight, and more importantly, that it wasn't the reason for Ron's leaving, she simply uses the comment as a way of saying "forget it, not anyone's fault".

Again, I think there's a tendency for some to not accept that friends (or in Harry's case, he sees Hermione as a sister) can be very close, with intimate moments. Intimacy is not restricted to romance, and never has been. I think if viewers already accept that, there's no way to see romance in that dance. Harry trying to goad Hermione out of her mood for a bit (and trying to do the same for himself), yes; a bit of awkwardness at the end, of course....because they're both immediately back to hiding out on the run, no further on the horcruxes, missing Ron, and not knowing where to turn next.

Agree with this entire bit. That's how I interpreted this scene. I thought he was going to apologize, but Hermione cuts him off, as if saying that it wasn't anyone's fault.

I also thought that little scene was to "close" the circle - the whole argument started with Hermione cutting Harry's hair. Which led to Ron leaving, then the scene-that-shall-not-be-named, then it comes full circle when Hermione tells Harry to not let her give him a haircut again. I thought that line had a double meaning. It wasn't her just saying to not let her cut his hair again, but her acknowledging what stemmed from her cutting his hair.

Again, I think there's a tendency for some to not accept that friends (or in Harry's case, he sees Hermione as a sister) can be very close, with intimate moments. Intimacy is not restricted to romance, and never has been. I think if viewers already accept that, there's no way to see romance in that dance. Harry trying to goad Hermione out of her mood for a bit (and trying to do the same for himself), yes; a bit of awkwardness at the end, of course....because they're both immediately back to hiding out on the run, no further on the horcruxes, missing Ron, and not knowing where to turn next.

Very true - some can't believe or accept that a boy and a girl can't be friends without to turning sexual or romantic. I have danced with male friends before, and needless to say, we're friends, nothing more. It doesn't have to romantic, and I think it's a shame that people assume that dancing between friends = romantic.

They are friends who have no one else in the world but each other, at that moment in time. And the isolation, loneliness, imminent danger, and sense of pointless wandering is too much for them to bear. They are kids fighting a war and they need some comfort and human contact. How is that wrong?

Very true - some can't believe or accept that a boy and a girl can't be friends without to turning sexual or romantic. I have danced with male friends before, and needless to say, we're friends, nothing more. It doesn't have to romantic, and I think it's a shame that people assume that dancing between friends = romantic.

They are friends who have no one else in the world but each other, at that moment in time. And the isolation, loneliness, imminent danger, and sense of pointless wandering is too much for them to bear. They are kids fighting a war and they need some comfort and human contact. How is that wrong?

I have always loved the relationship between Harry and Hermione. Because there is no attraction there, they are so completely open and honest with each other. This is why they are so attuned to one another, I think. Their dynamic is unique to them and I have always loved it. In fact, as much as I love Ron and as much as I hated it when he left, I enjoyed the moments that Harry and Hermione had while "camping" and going to Godric's Hollow. For me, it not only strengthened their friendship, but it also proved that they were simply the best of friends. But it never crossed my mind for a second that she would wind up with anyone but Ron.

Having just watched this scene again, which I love, it seems to me that this is a defining moment for Hermione. She walks away from Harry having made up her mind knowing that it is Ron she truly loves. It would have been nice if Harry had then brought out the Marauder's map and looked for Ginny at Hogwarts. It wouldn't have altered the horcrux scene as that was all for Ron.

I have always loved the relationship between Harry and Hermione. Because there is no attraction there, they are so completely open and honest with each other. This is why they are so attuned to one another, I think. Their dynamic is unique to them and I have always loved it. In fact, as much as I love Ron and as much as I hated it when he left, I enjoyed the moments that Harry and Hermione had while "camping" and going to Godric's Hollow. For me, it not only strengthened their friendship, but it also proved that they were simply the best of friends. But it never crossed my mind for a second that she would wind up with anyone but Ron.

Exactly; nicely said. I agree they have a unique dynamic from the start; I've always loved the scene in SS/PS, when Hermione's solved Snape's logic puzzle, Harry tells her to come back quickly because he won't be able to hold Snape off for very long; she worries Voldemort could be there too; Harry says well, I was lucky once...and she throws her arms around Harry and tells him he's a great wizard, and to be careful.

Hey!

Do you think Lavender and Rons relationship is more significant in the book or film?

In my opinion the film showed their relationship pretty well, I can't remember them cutting any vital information out. And I just adored the scene after they broke up, with Lavender at the table.

But in the book I feel it more significance, I think we feel the importance more, after all if Lavender and Ron hadn't got it on, he and hermione would most likely not have too.

What do you think?

Hey!

Do you think Lavender and Rons relationship is more significant in the book or film?

In my opinion the film showed their relationship pretty well, I can't remember them cutting any vital information out. And I just adored the scene after they broke up, with Lavender at the table.

But in the book I feel it more significance, I think we feel the importance more, after all if Lavender and Ron hadn't got it on, he and hermione would most likely not have too.

What do you think?

haaa I think its cute that you wrote this post and your user name is "LavenderBrown" lol...... I do think the film depicted it pretty much like the book did. It seems Lav was just really after Ron, for whatever reason. She is a funny, interesting character and I love how she was in the movie, and I agree about that scene after when she's at the table... it seemed like it fit her personality to be so p.o.ed.

As far as the Lav/Ron set up for Hermione/Ron... I think it has just as much significance as Hermione and Victor did previously. It kind of put H/R on even footing, but ultimately I think its all the time they spent alone together during DH that makes them realize their feelings, and especially after Ron leaves the trio and comes back. I LOVED how JK showed Hermione's reaction to be emotional and funny she's so BITTER and mad at him. Its actually one of my favorite parts of the book because its so REAL. It made me love Hermione... especially when she asks Harry for her wand so she can go after him LOL I wonder what spells she would have used on him if she'd had gotten her hands on it.

Looking at the stone throwing scene i actually think it would have worked extremely well near the beginning of Deathly Hallows Part 2 when they are at Shell Cottage.

Sorry to drag the skipping stones scene back up but I just found this thread and that was the page it dumped me on.

I thought I skipping stones scene could have easily been incorporated into the film, though more easily if it had been filmed a little differently and included some shots of Harry. here's how I think it could have gone down best:

Set the scene: DHp1, the camping montage. Show a wide shot of their tent and camp on the edge of the lake to establish location. Show closer in shot of Ron and Hermione at the shore doing 'something we don't quite know yet' and Harry sitting back near the tent or just emerging from it. Closer in shot of Ron teaching Hermione to skip a stone - him doing it once, then showing her how, then her doing it once. Show Harry watching them wistfully, implying his emotional separation from them. Maybe he's trying another method of destroying the horcrux or something, reminding viewers what his mission is that that Ron and Hermione are there by choice and not bound to the mission like he is. Back to a little wider shot of R/Hr at the shore, Harry in the background. Move onto the next scene.

Not perfect, but I think it could have worked in the context of the film to show Harry's isolation because of his tie to the horcrux and destroying voldemort. There is even an expression in the books by harry that ron and hermione could walk away at any time but he is so integral to voldemort's destruction that there is no way he could leave.

It could have gone at the beginning of DHp2 sort of as a way to show Ron boosting Hermione's spirits after being tortured by Bellatrix but the setting (a lake shore) was wrong for shell cottage.

Anyway, my two cents. Again, sorry to drag up a topic from, like, page 50 of these posts. =^P

I do think that skipping stones scene was a good idea. Just for whatever reason the actual scene they shot wasn't very good.

I loved that scene and was saddened they couldn't fit it in. Though I disagree about adding Harry into it more. I loved watching it and smiling at how cute on and Hermione are together, and then the shot of Harry sitting alone was just kind of heat breaking. TO have these two amazingly great friends along for the ride, who are totally in love, so you already have that teenage third wheel going, add to the fact that while they're with you it will never be the same or as dangerous as it is for you, and that they can take their minds of whats going on at least for a little bit while you probably never can. It was a great, great scene.

You guys are obviously able to tell I am an unabashed fan of the films and think they exceeded what a good adaptation should be. Of course I love the books as well, and yes I do like them better, but books are always better due to the medium.


Except Jaws. The book is stinkola.

You know, with all the discussion of the skipping stone scene, it brought to mind one of my favorite scenes of all the movies. It's such a quiet scene and it didn't happen in the books, but I thought it was perfect. In DH1, they've just spent the night at 12GP and Hermione is trying to teach Ron how to play the piano. I absolutely adore the look on Ron's face, gazing at Hermione when she doesn't know he's looking. It's unabashed love on his face. And then he looks away quickly as she glances at him. I just love the scene. It said so much without any words at all. Brilliant!

It always seems to me as though (in the films) Harry and Hermione is on the same level..and Ron is just always in the backgound. it's unfair to him. They talk to each other and does not include him.

It always seems to me as though (in the films) Harry and Hermione is on the same level..and Ron is just always in the backgound. it's unfair to him. They talk to each other and does not include him.

I completely agree with this. :sad: I think the way Ron is portrayed in the movies is not really true to Book Ron, and in a decidedly negative way. It's not Rupert's fault though, I like his acting, it's just the way Ron is written in the movies. In the earlier movies, he's made into a kind of dim buffoon, and then in the latter movies he seems like a bit of a tag-along to Harry and Hermione. Sometimes it seems like he's just standing there awkwardly while they're involved in all the action, which is so unlike Book Ron. I've forgotten which, but I think Hermione even takes some of his lines (she also takes some of Harry's, as far as I can remember, like the idea with the dragon, but that's not as bad because Harry's already the hero anyway;it doesn't take as much away from his character).

Sorry to get off topic, but this is something I feel strongly about.

Anyway, to get back to the topic, I didn't like the way"that scene" (if I am correct in assuming that "that scene" refers to the image of Harry and Hermione the Horcrux conjures up to torment Ron) was portrayed in the movie. I just thought it went too far beyond "their lips met". It just wasn't necessary to show them that way to get the point across, and I can image that it could have conveyed the wrong message to some casual movies-only viewers, the fact that there was actually more going on between Harry and Hermione, that it wasn't just Ron's imagination.

However, I actually really liked the Dance Scene. I don't think it made it seem as though anything was actually going on between Harry and Hermione; I think it just showed that theoretically something could have happened between them, but it never would, even without Ron, because they both needed him and missed him too much. It showed that really effectively, in my opinion.

You know, with all the discussion of the skipping stone scene, it brought to mind one of my favorite scenes of all the movies. It's such a quiet scene and it didn't happen in the books, but I thought it was perfect. In DH1, they've just spent the night at 12GP and Hermione is trying to teach Ron how to play the piano. I absolutely adore the look on Ron's face, gazing at Hermione when she doesn't know he's looking. It's unabashed love on his face. And then he looks away quickly as she glances at him. I just love the scene. It said so much without any words at all. Brilliant!

I also think the piano scene was pitch perfect (pun intended). I think there are quite a few scenes like that one -- Ron seeing Hermione arrive at the wedding, the scene where Ron & Hermione are asleep at Grimmauld and they'd obviously been holding hands, the frantic emotion of Hermione when Ron gets splinched, etc.

Much ado is made about the sweet, awkward dance scene between Harry & Hermione, but I never saw any romance in that at all; just two friends at their wit's end trying to distract themselves for a moment or two.

Anyway, to get back to the topic, I didn't like the way"that scene" (if I am correct in assuming that "that scene" refers to the image of Harry and Hermione the Horcrux conjures up to torment Ron) was portrayed in the movie. I just thought it went too far beyond "their lips met". It just wasn't necessary to show them that way to get the point across, and I can image that it could have conveyed the wrong message to some casual movies-only viewers, the fact that there was actually more going on between Harry and Hermione, that it wasn't just Ron's imagination.


I believe "that scene" is supposed to be the dance scene. I may be wrong :)
I agree with you,
yet
probably they just wanted to please the audience with the naked kissing. Too bad they did not deliver the real Ron and Hermione kiss, though :(

As for the dance scene.
I like the H/Hr dance , but NOT in a HP movie.

It is a nice scene, but that is just not Harry from the books. A guy comforting a depressed girl, making her dance - that is sweet and funny, but not something
Harry from the books would do. The DH book clearly states that he did not know what to say to a CRYING Hermione. And that
he was depressed himself.
The GoF book clearly states, that he feels embarassed when he has to dance. Harry is not the type who makes the first move
to cheer you up and dance! That is something Fred or George would do. Maybe Sirius. NOT HARRY.

The HBP book tells us, he did not know how to comfort a crying Hermione.
The OotP book tells us, he did not know what to do with a crying Cho Chang.

The message is clear: Harry is not good at comforting crying girls.
Harry in the books never knows how to comfort a crying girl. He is awkward, he is embarrassed. Furthemore, after Ron left, Harry was so depressed he did not know what to do.

And the girl Emma plays in the dance scene - that is one sweet girl, but no book-Hermione.
Making book-Hermione dance while she is feeling down - that would make her angry in the book.

The DH book tells us she did not even want to cast the protective spells, leave alone dance!

The protective spells are something Hermione NEVER forgets about , yet after they Disapparated without Ron, she was not interested to even mention them, she just cried.
That tells us something about how truly bad she feels.

Harry had to do it!
She walked away from Harry and sobbed sitting down! And the book tells us that Harry could not even force himself to talk to her, leave alone dance with her.

Harry would be too embarrassed to go through with it. Dancing with a crying person - last thing canon-Harry is good at.

To sum it up, the scene is nice, but it is NOT BOOK-Harry and the girl in the scene is NOT BOOK-Hermione.
Books show us how difficult it is to cheer Hermione up, when she cries and dancing with a brother-like friend definitely does not help.
The book characters would feel too sad, too awkward and too
shocked if they knew they should perform this scene after Ron left.

Sigh. lol I don't what else I can say that I haven't already said. I obviously hated the dance. I didn't like Harry trying to seduce Hermione. I think it does a real disservice to his character. Harry would never go after the girl that his best friend loves. It really made me look at him differently. The dance was a huge mistake IMO. It also makes me doubt even more that Harry even likes Ginny. I also hate that Ron and Hermione don't get scenes anywhere near that intimate. They never get to be alone, and if they actually film scenes with them alone they are cut. It's just super frustrating. That's not to say that they didn't have some nice moments in this movie, but Harry was always there. Even a nice little intimate moment between them after the 7 potters had to turn into a Harry moment.



You saw that dance as... some way for Harry to try and seduce Hermione?
I just saw it for what I think it was: 2 friends trying to have a tiny bit of fun in some very tough times ;)

You can, of course, dance with someone and it be nothing but between friends, but that was not what the dance was in Part 1. It was Harry noticing Hermione and seeing if anything could come from it. That is what was intended by the scene and that was what we got.

Interesting. I didn't see it as Harry intentionally seeing if anything could come from it. I felt that he started by genuinely trying to cheer her up, but that dancing brought up some kind of latent emotion (in both of them). It's a bit reminiscent of the middle NYE scene in When Harry Met Sally.

As I've said before, some people are sufficiently opposed to Harmony-shipping that they honestly see nothing but ordinary friendship in that scene. It's fairly difficult to insist that the scene must be something. (Although, apparently the actors and filmmakers did intend something beyond ordinary friendship.)

I liked when Hermione and Harry danced together in 'Deathly Hallows Part 1' It was cute, but innocent. She needed cheering up, that's all. If you had read the books, then you know she already ended up with Ron. If you haven't read the books, then you might've though Harry and Hermione would end up together.

I liked when Hermione and Harry danced together in 'Deathly Hallows Part 1' It was cute, but innocent. She needed cheering up, that's all. If you had read the books, then you know she already ended up with Ron. If you haven't read the books, then you might've though Harry and Hermione would end up together.

That's exactly how I saw it too :agree:

It's fairly difficult to insist that the scene must be something.

See what I mean? :)

The above several posts illustrate why I'm always wary of "definitive interpretations" of a scene like that.

I liked when Hermione and Harry danced together in 'Deathly Hallows Part 1' It was cute, but innocent. She needed cheering up, that's all. If you had read the books, then you know she already ended up with Ron. If you haven't read the books, then you might've though Harry and Hermione would end up together.

That is the thing. What happened in the scene is that there was something there, but people who had read the book and know that Hermione ends up with Ron don't want there to be anything there so they don't see it. I liked the scene as well. I do think there was something there. I think it is a big change from the book, but it doesn't ruin it. It changes the Harry/Hermione relationship, but the characters have always been different from the book so i don't see that as a problem.

I liked when Hermione and Harry danced together in 'Deathly Hallows Part 1' It was cute, but innocent. She needed cheering up, that's all. If you had read the books, then you know she already ended up with Ron. If you haven't read the books, then you might've though Harry and Hermione would end up together.

Both the director, Daniel, and Emma have said that the scene was played to imply there could have been a romance between Harry and Hermione, but Hermione turns away and "follows her heart" (as Emma said) and remains true to her feelings for Ron. So if that is not what you see then the actors didn't do a very good job.:elaugh:

I see it as a bow to H\HR shippers, and a way to imply a romantic triangle a la the "Twilight" series. And to some degree I think the movie producers saw Harry and Hermione (and Dan and Emma) as a more attractive couple than Ron and Hermione (Rupert and Emma). I completely disagree, but that seems to be the road they went down, IMHO. Sad...so much dramatic potential wasted.

See what I mean? :)

The above several posts illustrate why I'm always wary of "definitive interpretations" of a scene like that.

Everyone is entitled to their own interpetations, but the interviews with Dan, Emma, and the director supports the idea that it was indeed an H\Hr moment...IMHO.

Everyone is entitled to their own interpetations, but the interviews with Dan, Emma, and the director supports the idea that it was indeed an H\Hr moment...IMHO.

I realize that, and as I said above, I share the notion that the scene supported the Good Ship Harmony. Nonetheless, I've found that this is a bit of a third rail, and the suggestion that an interpretation is "right" or "wrong" is likely to meet with substantial resistance.

Everyone is entitled to their own interpetations, but the interviews with Dan, Emma, and the director supports the idea that it was indeed an H\Hr moment...IMHO.

Yes, that is what the director wanted to imply. However I really don't think anything more was portrayed than a very remote possibility, and then only in a world where Ron & Hermione have given up on each other.

JKR has said as much in interview regarding the book scenes between Harry & Hermione in Godric's Hollow, when they share some intense experiences; but she has also said that the possibility of the relationship changing could only have happened if Ron never returned.

Yes, that is what the director wanted to imply. However I really don't think anything more was portrayed than a very remote possibility, and then only in a world where Ron & Hermione have given up on each other.

JKR has said as much in interview regarding the book scenes between Harry & Hermione in Godric's Hollow, when they share some intense experiences; but she has also said that the possibility of the relationship changing could only have happened if Ron never returned.


JKR also said Harry and Ginny were soulmates. It seems hard to justify movie-Harry making a pass at Hermione when his soulmate is waiting for him back home. :hmm:

So this means, IMHO, JKR might have been willing to throw H\G out the window as well as R\Hr at some point in the books. :huh:

I've been in situations where young ppl were facing danger far from home and remained true to the ones they loved. I guess it just bothers me that JKR considered not giving her hero (and her alter-ego heroine) the same level of committment. :sigh:

JKR also said Harry and Ginny were soulmates. It seems hard to justify movie-Harry making a pass at Hermione when his soulmate is waiting for him back home. :hmm:

So this means, IMHO, JKR might have been willing to throw H\G out the window as well as R\Hr at some point in the books. :huh:

I've been in situations where young ppl were facing danger far from home and remained true to the ones they loved. I guess it just bothers me that JKR considered not giving her hero (and her alter-ego heroine) the same level of committment. :sigh:

I don't think she considered actually changing it. I think she was trying to make a point about how close Hermione & Harry were in their relationship -- as friends -- and how complicated feelings are when you're that age. She prefaced her comments in the context of whether or not Ron made the choice to go back and rejoin them. Which of course she had him do.

And we are due for a new version :)