Things that bothered you about the final film

I know right? Im 30 and i can still pass for 18 if i dyed my hair. ;) So really they looked fine...Hermione looked more or less the same though. But again it didnt bother me much. Draco bothered me a little because he looked rather silly. Chin fuzz? Yeah not a fan. I did like how the back of Scorpius's head looked very much like Draco's from way back in the day. I thought Harry looked the best to be honest.

I am 31 and i think that they all looked like they should, a little off like their faces were fatter and they had some wrinkles and they were a little bit different, but really you do look a lot like yourself still. I think it was good. The difference is less then you think.

Harry's voice? What was weird about his voice?
It was all low and slow and weird. I didn't get that. They clearly messed with it after the fact. They fiddled with it somehow.

It dawned on me today - how did the Sorting Hat end up in the rubble when Dumbledore's office was pristine and undamaged? I know they needed the hat, and it's a small thing to notice, but still.

This my wild guess.

The office was no longer Dumbledore's - it was Snape's - and most of the awesome and cool items were gone. The pensieve was there, and a desk and chair, and then I saw a brown circular table with some books. My guess is that the Sorting Hat had been moved, along with the other items.

I think Snape wanted to protect Dumbledore's things, and I also don't think Snape expected to keep the position for long.

Although it wasn't in the movies, didn't Voldemort say somewhere in the books that the individual houses would no longer be needed, as only the Slytherin philosophy mattered? The Sorting Hat would be put away as irrelevant. It appearing when it did was perhaps symbolic - the other houses DO matter.

I am 31 and i think that they all looked like they should, a little off like their faces were fatter and they had some wrinkles and they were a little bit different, but really you do look a lot like yourself still. I think it was good. The difference is less then you think.


It was all low and slow and weird. I didn't get that. They clearly messed with it after the fact. They fiddled with it somehow.

Probably deepened it.

Probably deepened it.

Yeah i think so. I also don't think that a voice would have changed that much by then. Maybe a little deeper, but certainly not slower. I think it was Daniel's voice, but it barely sounded like it. It was too different. That was more distracting to me then the makeup.

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The actress that played Pavriti wasnt in the film not sure why so its actually Padma who is with Lavender in the scenes you can tell its definitly Afshan Azad

Really? That was Padma? They are identical, well nearly, so i thought it was Parvati. Even after seeing the film again i still thought it was Parvati.

I am so disappointed in the ending. In thought the whole point of making 2 movies was to make it accurate to the books. The best part of the book was the ending with Harry explaining everything to voldemort. Why he cannot beat Harry. Not to mention the fact that the two dueling stopped everyone else from dueling and were watching it unfold. Ten years in the making and this is the ending for the movie. Not one mention of the hallows in the end. I can't believe jk would allow this. I could not have been more disappointed. I knew the movie would be a bit different but to mess up the ending is ridiculous. I actually thought they did a good job until then. Also can't believe they changed the part where Neville kills nagini. Thanks for reading.

I wholeheartedly agree. The movie grossly distorted the ending, from the point where Harry purposely reveals himself to all (after Hagrid puts him down) until the end of the battle. To disregard the fact that Harry concealed himself under the cloak, the fact that the battle occurred in the Great Hall only, the fact that the "battle" was actually more of a discussion than a wizard duel did a great disservice to the book and the millions that read it. The unique nature of the final showdown between Harry and Voldemort is that everyone knows it was going to be brief - there was no way that Voldemort was going to perform any other magic than Avada Kedavra. He was a no-nonsense kind of guy and was not going to waste time with anything other than instant death. That is why Harry's explanation of mastery of the Elder Wand was so important - it allowed him to give Voldemort one more chance at redemption before the fight began. Instead of embracing this ending, the screenwriters played right into "mainstream Hollywood" and made the battle some kind of epic fight. It made me sad and frustrated to see it turn out that way in the movie.

Yeah i think so. I also don't think that a voice would have changed that much by then. Maybe a little deeper, but certainly not slower. I think it was Daniel's voice, but it barely sounded like it. It was too different. That was more distracting to me then the makeup.


OK, now I'm going to have really listen to that when I see it again.

Really? That was Padma? They are identical, well nearly, so i thought it was Parvati. Even after seeing the film again i still thought it was Parvati.


LoL. Well, one of them...and they aren't identical. They are quite different looking. Well, I think so. But they aren't twins in real life either.


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I guess that some kind of redemption be possible for Voldemort. There was none. Just one offer, and the resulting doubt and hesitation, before the scorn. It might have been nice. but I don't know if it was essential.

I know I will get kill for saying this, but I did not like the epilogue. I found it cheese and anti-climatic for and ending scene. I know it is part of the book, but it falls flat after the perfect closing with the trio on the bridge. I believe this epilogue would have been better shown on the side of the screen with the ending credits rolling with no dialogue, just the trio waving goodbye to their kids in the station. Yes, I know most of the fans disagree with me in this one, but that’s just my opinion.

I thought the film was amazing up until, like people have already said, the bit when Harry rolls out of Hagrid's arms.
I mean, sure there was a few minor hitches before then such as Grey Lady not being old ghost like, Luna having too many lines (in my opinion), the treasure not burning them in Gringotts, the mudblood scene not being shown in Snape's memories... but... I could totally overlook all of them.
The film had followed the book so, so well I was expecting SO, SO much more. It was such a huge letdown and anticlimax.

-First of all, when dead Harry, Hagrid, Voldemort and death eaters were on one side of the courtyard and everyone else on the other, and Neville stepped forward for his speech, I was just waiting for the sorting hat on fire bit, Neville pulling out the sword, killing Nagini in front of everyone, Harry rolling and putting on the invisibility cloak. It would have been SUCH a dramatic scene, I was so sure they were going to do it justice. It was a total FLOP.
-Then there was the bit afterwards in the castle and Voldemort was shooting killing curses at Harry and Harry was blocking them! WHAT!! Harry's power does not equal anywhere near Voldemort's, that's the whole point. Urgh.
-Ron and Hermione trying to kill the snake. Completely unnecessary if they had just had Neville done it when he was supposed to!
-Of course, the Harry and Voldemort falling and flying scene. Why?! Another pointless, unnecessary scene.
-Hated all the times Harry and Voldemort's wands linked. Pointless, I really felt it took away from the final battle.
-Harry and Voldemort showdown. Where to start? I was so disappointed!
Number 1, they were alone.
Number 2, no circling each other.
Number 3, no Harry big speech, which meant we didn't get "Snape was Dumbledore's from the moment you started hunting down my mother!" No Voldemort reaction to finding out Snape betrayed him, he didn't even know!
And most of all, no dramatic "I AM THE TRUE MASTER OF THE ELDER WAND!"
It would have explained so much, in a dramatic way, just having Harry give a little speech while they circled each other.
And I was SO gutted they just cast their spells silently, no
"Expelliarmus!"
"Avada kedavra!"
That would have been really dramatic, the point is that Voldemort is using a killing curse, and Harry is just using simple Expelliarmus. It doesn't matter that Harry isn't powerful, the reason he won was because he was the master of the elder wand. Completely ruined scene.
Oh, and the way Voldemort died, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE, was awful. Blasting into pieces was ridiculous, it was a total flop.
As was Bellatrix's death. Still, at least Mrs Weasley got her line.

Anyway, I just feel cheated, disappointed, let down, angry, that they ignored the book after the forest scene. I don't mind when they change things, I don't care we didn't see the Ravenclaw common room, I'm just so angry they changed what all the books and films had been leading up to, the big moment. Finally, if only they could have included Harry going to Dumbledore's office, where the portraits applauded him and Harry told him what he was doing with the Deathly Hallows. Would have been MUCH better than the stupid snapping the elder wand, and would have tied up loose ends about the hallows.

Oh dear, i'm sorry this is so long!

I don't like the celestial King's Cross in the film ... because Movie Dumbledore doesn't explain anything. :huh:

The whole sequence was rendered pretty pointless for me because of that. Some exposition, some downright remorse from Dumbledore -- some comfort too, for Harry -- was needed ... But it felt as flat as a pancake. :shrug:

I don't care much for Canon Dumbledore's exposition in this chapter, by the way, but at least he tries. :yuhup:

My one consolation was Gambon's wonderful, mellifluous voice ...

It looked to me like he was clearly in agony from an attack, not from hearing Voldemort, because of his position. He looked like he'd just been attacked and was reeling from it, with pain on his face and he wasn't holding his head. It looked like his death scene to me. I could be wrong, but I really noticed it after three viewings!

Watched it again yesterday, and it's not his death scene. The death eater disarms him and he tries to reach for the wand.

I don't like the celestial King's Cross in the film ... because Movie Dumbledore doesn't explain anything. :huh:

The whole sequence was rendered pretty pointless for me because of that. Some exposition, some downright remorse from Dumbledore -- some comfort too, for Harry -- was needed ... But it felt as flat as a pancake. :shrug:

I don't care much for Canon Dumbledore's exposition in this chapter, by the way, but at least he tries. :yuhup:

My one consolation was Gambon's wonderful, mellifluous voice ...

I did not like the King's Cross "limbo" scene either. Dumbledore really didn't explain much :hmm:

I thought the film was amazing up until, like people have already said, the bit when Harry rolls out of Hagrid's arms.


I agree. I liked the epilogue, but I really wish they'd kept to the book from the above part on. The book was perfect. The Harry/Voldemort fight wasn't even all that interesting.

Plus, if they'd followed the book, we could have seen everyone having their "we WON!" celebration, instead of the stunned, recuperating looks we got instead.

Was anyone else bothered by the way Harry and Voldemort's spells "linked" together like in GoF (when they showed priori incantatem)? I've seen the producers do this now with Harry and Voldemort, with Voldemort and Dumbledore in OotP, and now in the final film. The whole point of priori incantatem is that it is a RARE if not isolated phenomenon. It lost it's "wow" factor for me by the end the Part II, all I could think was "Really? Can't they do anything new?"

I am 31 and i think that they all looked like they should, a little off like their faces were fatter and they had some wrinkles and they were a little bit different, but really you do look a lot like yourself still. I think it was good. The difference is less then you think.

It was all low and slow and weird. I didn't get that. They clearly messed with it after the fact. They fiddled with it somehow.Yeah, I think they tried to deepen it and it just sounded too much like a voice over.

I just turned 40, and I still get asked for ID when I go to bars. The only thing that changes when you turn 30 is that you gain an automatic 5 pounds and maybe start to have thinning hair, or a few grays start showing up.

I thought Ron and Harry looked fine - esp Ron with that slight beer belly. Ginny had the right style, but she looked a little young. Hermione it was like they didn't bother with her at all. Draco looked ok too - I could see him going for an eccentric style.

This my wild guess.

The office was no longer Dumbledore's - it was Snape's - and most of the awesome and cool items were gone. The pensieve was there, and a desk and chair, and then I saw a brown circular table with some books. My guess is that the Sorting Hat had been moved, along with the other items.

I think Snape wanted to protect Dumbledore's things, and I also don't think Snape expected to keep the position for long.

Although it wasn't in the movies, didn't Voldemort say somewhere in the books that the individual houses would no longer be needed, as only the Slytherin philosophy mattered? The Sorting Hat would be put away as irrelevant. It appearing when it did was perhaps symbolic - the other houses DO matter.Huh, that's a good way of looking at it. And I didn't notice, but the office probably was cleared out at some point. Maybe even McG had the sorting hat in her office.

I think my one small niggle at the moment is young James, mainly, why didn't he wear glasses? Surely it couldn't have been that hard to give him some. I wasn't hugely keen on the hint of a Neville/Luna relationship either, I just don't think it was necessary to add another couple in to the mix. Most of the changes in the film aren't bothering me too much though :)

I think the movie was really good, and I don't have any major problems with it, except for maybe:

1. What the heck was up with Voldy's happy little jiggle and hug to Draco?! I'm going to pretend that never happened...(this was probably the biggest beef I have)

2. I think they should've included the story about Dumbledore's sister. Either Aberforth or Albus could've told the story.

3. When Harry said he was going to the forest, Hermione hugged Harry for about ten hours while Ron just looked on and then Harry didn't even bother to hug Ron! He's only
his best friend, after all...

4. They should have explained why Voldemort can't kill Harry because they have the same blood and all that.

5. They didn't show Fred's death, they just showed him lying on the floor. Although maybe it was for the best, I was already blubbering enough over Severus...

Other than that, I thought the film was really really good. I absolutely LOVED the director and the scriptwriters for adding some Neville/Luna in there! These two are ADORABLE. I never forgave JK Rowling for not putting them together :P

Plus, if they'd followed the book, we could have seen everyone having their "we WON!" celebration, instead of the stunned, recuperating looks we got instead.

Yep.

Was anyone else bothered by the way Harry and Voldemort's spells "linked" together like in GoF (when they showed priori incantatem)? I've seen the producers do this now with Harry and Voldemort, with Voldemort and Dumbledore in OotP, and now in the final film. The whole point of priori incantatem is that it is a RARE if not isolated phenomenon. It lost it's "wow" factor for me by the end the Part II, all I could think was "Really? Can't they do anything new?"

Yes!! Ok, it doesn't bother me THAT much but I feel it was definitely over used. It should only have happened once, in GOF, and that should really stand out... I wish the filmmakers could have thought of something different.

(Still, i'd rather have had the linked spells if it meant DH got a proper Harry/Voldemort confrontation. Not stupid flying around in smoke and the likes *mutters*)

Something I noticed earlier: During the Prince's Tale when Dumbledore assures Severus that Harry survived the attack and he acts surprised/shocked. But later they show Snape holding Lily as Harry cries in his crib behind them ;)

Something I noticed earlier: During the Prince's Tale when Dumbledore assures Severus that Harry survived the attack and he acts surprised/shocked. But later they show Snape holding Lily as Harry cries in his crib behind them ;)
Perhaps he totally didnt see Harry. Also he didnt seem too shocked to me. He seemed more shocked that Harry had Lily's eyes. ;)

LoL. Well, one of them...and they aren't identical. They are quite different looking. Well, I think so. But they aren't twins in real life either.
Huh. At first glance, they do look identical. *shrug* If only one is present, i cant pick out which one lolz!

- When Harry tells his best friends that he is about to die (which never happen in the books), only Hermione said something and Ron was in the background once again. Doing nothing, just looking blankly at Harry.

-There is barely any reaction about Harry looking dead. Just only Ginny react. Hagrid carrying Harry either was imperioed, shocked or the actor didn't want to act upset at all.

- After Voldemort dies, everyone is just eating biscuits and gossiping with their friends. Argus Flitch is seen trying to clean up Hogwarts and he is a poor spuib.
No celebration at all about defeating the dark lord.

-I find Neville's Speech cheesy and Voldemort was looking like he humoring Neville to keep going. Only Harry pops up alive and steals Neville's Thunder.

- I did read the books but the film made it so obvious about the lack of aftermath of the war. Then 19 years later: Everyone is happy and looks like the wizarding war rebuilds itself quite nicely. Although we only have Rowling interviews to find out more about the Potter world and this is ending is just the end result.

I was kind of hoping the films will fill in the blanks.

Perhaps he totally didnt see Harry. Also he didnt seem too shocked to me. He seemed more shocked that Harry had Lily's eyes. ;)


Huh. At first glance, they do look identical. *shrug* If only one is present, i cant pick out which one lolz!

Ah, you are correct. I switched the sequence; my mistake!

As I said previously, I can't stand this poor attention to details. It's something affecting all the HP movies and not just the last one. In the books, we've been constantly told Harry looks like his father except for his green eyes which instead he took after his mother. Now, why the hell James is blond-haired and child Lily black-eyed?? The same goes for Albus whose hair is blond too. He probably took after his grandfather *rolls eyes*.
Not to mention Sirius...whereas he's described as good-looking and quite young, in the movies we see the complete opposite...Being faithful to details costs nothing and I really don't see why they make things at random.

While there are certainly a number of little things, one thing that I was upset about was Hagrid's reaction to Harry in the forest. Hagrid is all heart. This is the guy that was crying over the loss of a baby dragon... he should have been much more distraught before and certainly after the Avada Kadavra. Robbie Coltrane has done a fantastic job throughout the whole series, and I just feel he was underused here.

Alot of this has been mentioned already, but here goes again: I hate how they didnt show Fred being killed, although I'm sure I would have been crying alot harder than I already was, it just seemed sort of rushed. Its like he's just lying there already dead. I wanted to see the part where Percy reunites with his family and he tries to shield Freds body with his own so no more harm comes to it, then the part where Hermione and Ron try to kill nagini, I was like that didnt happen in the book..., No one being upset after seeing Harry supposedly dead, Ron and Hermione didnt cry like in the books,and lastly, after Harry defeats Voldemort, theres no celebration! I mean, I cant think of a better time to celebrate. Other than that, I enjoyed it

No problems here. There are certain things I'd do differently if I were making the film (probably having a celebration would head the list), but for me these all fall under the heading of personal preference. I generally liked the film, although right now, I like DH1 better. Maybe a few more viewings will change my mind...

Ok, What I don't understand is how we can see Crabbe fall into fiendfyre, the goblin get incinerated, see Bellatrix and Voldy turned to confetti, see Pius AK'd but we don't get to see Fred's death? My daughter, (not a book reader) saw it today. Lavendar got at least 3 seconds screentime, full face shot, as obviously her, but not Fred? What give?! The twins are her favorite characters and she totally didn't not understand that a twin was dead! This is just not right! What happened that these main characters were not given their due?

For the most part I loved this movie and saw it twice (back to back!). I did have one major issue and wanted to know if anyone else felt the same way. For me, Harry presenting himself to Voldemort in a selfless act of sacrifice to stop Voldemort from hurting his friends is a key moment. This mirrors the act of love and sacrifice by Lily to protect Harry. In the book (pps. 738-739), Harry explains this to Voldemort, telling him that he'll never harm his friends again, pointing out that Voldemort's spells against his friends are no longer binding.

I get that the Elder Wand is a central component and that it is the more powerful weapon, however, isn't the message of love the central theme of the series? I don't feel like the movie really highlighted this and it could have been with a few simple sentences. Instead by focusing on the Elder Wand, it made it seem that Harry was just in the right place at the right time to disarm Draco.

Again, I loved it but when the movie missed what the foundation of Harry Potter is all about and what makes Harry a true hero... love - I was thoroughly deflated.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this or not, but does the beginning of the movie (showing Voldemort getting the Elder Wand from the end of the first part) seem really abrupt to anyone? After the previews for other movies and the movie theater company played their little "welcome" video thing, all of a sudden the movie started and it took me a few seconds to realize it, along with many people in the theater with me. Many were still talking about the previews for the other movies until somebody finally said, "Shh! It's starting!"

I mean, I know it's just a continuation of part 1, but there didn't seem to be a real "beginning" like any of the other movies (which is to be expected, I guess)... I dunno, I think it'd be better if the released a DVD of it all put together, with no break in between.

Or maybe I'm just crazy ;)

As I said previously, I can't stand this poor attention to details. It's something affecting all the HP movies and not just the last one. In the books, we've been constantly told Harry looks like his father except for his green eyes which instead he took after his mother. Now, why the hell James is blond-haired and child Lily black-eyed?? The same goes for Albus whose hair is blond too. He probably took after his grandfather *rolls eyes*.
Not to mention Sirius...whereas he's described as good-looking and quite young, in the movies we see the complete opposite...Being faithful to details costs nothing and I really don't see why they make things at random.
I agree. Normally these things are fairly minor but Harry's resemblance to James but with Lily's eyes was a HUGE thing in the books, and is actually relevant to the plot and to Snape's character development. But they just blatantly ignored it. James looked nothing like Harry whatsoever, and Lily's eyes were noticeably brown. They could have digitally altered her eyes at least, since she was a good Lily otherwise, but James was horribly cast. It's not exactly hard to find a black-haired boy and give him glasses.

The same goes for Albus whose hair is blond too. He probably took after his grandfather *rolls eyes*.

:hmm: But Albus Severus is dark-haired in the film.

Not to mention Sirius...whereas he's described as good-looking and quite young, in the movies we see the complete opposite...Being faithful to details costs nothing and I really don't see why they make things at random.

Young Sirius barely made an impression on me, movie-wise (a mere blur), but I like Gary Oldman as Sirius ...

I agree they could have found a black-haired boy to play James.

I agree they could have found a black-haired boy to play James.

Or they could have had the kid dye his hair (and before you say a child shouldn't dye his hair that young, the actors who play the Weasley twins dyed their hair red for the first and I'm assuming subsequent movies).

I was also bothered by the "Lily's eyes" thing. It was such a focal point in BOTH the books and movies. I understand not asking a 10-11 year old to wear contacts, but the adult Lily? Really? I guess they just figured no one would be that observant :rotfl:

I just remembered another thing. When Ron speaks Parseltongue to open the COS, it should have taken a few failed (comical) attempts before he got it right. He just did it first go, it didn't seem right to me. It was a perfect opportunity for a bit of classic Ron humour IMO, and opportunity they missed.

A few things.

Ron standing back when Harry tells his friends he's going into the Forest to die was one of my biggest peeves.

Snape holding Lily's body while baby Harry bawled miserably just creeped me out.

For that matter, why did Snape's memories show Lily's death and Lily speaking to Harry? It didn't make any sense to me.

The prolonged chase around between Harry and Voldemort, especially the jumping off the tower part.

I didn't like it that Voldemort and Bellatrix both shattered into little bits when they died. (Just like Quirrell, too) I think one of the best things about Voldemort's death as it happened in the book was the "mundane finality". Just like any other person, he died, and not in spectacular dramatic fashion, after all his delusions of grandeur.

And as others have mentioned, young James Potter not having dark hair or glasses.

Also, I thought it didn't make sense for the students hiding in the Room of Requirement to go and assemble in the Hall. It defeats the purpose of actually hiding out from the Carrows.

I just remembered another thing. When Ron speaks Parseltongue to open the COS, it should have taken a few failed (comical) attempts before he got it right. He just did it first go, it didn't seem right to me. It was a perfect opportunity for a bit of classic Ron humour IMO, and opportunity they missed.

I actually liked the way they did it in the film over the book. The book basically states that Ron mimicked Harry saying "open" in parseltongue after hearing it once. Way back in CoS film, we are never told exactly what Harry says to the door for it to open. Ron's whole "Harry talks in his sleep" is amazingly enough, more believable than the book version. ;)

Where was Parvati? Did anyone see her? Saw Padma, but not Parvati?

I actually liked the way they did it in the film over the book. The book basically states that Ron mimicked Harry saying "open" in parseltongue after hearing it once. Way back in CoS film, we are never told exactly what Harry says to the door for it to open. Ron's whole "Harry talks in his sleep" is amazingly enough, more believable than the book version. ;)

But he also heard it when Harry opened the locket before Ron killed it.

For the most part I loved this movie and saw it twice (back to back!). I did have one major issue and wanted to know if anyone else felt the same way. For me, Harry presenting himself to Voldemort in a selfless act of sacrifice to stop Voldemort from hurting his friends is a key moment. This mirrors the act of love and sacrifice by Lily to protect Harry. In the book (pps. 738-739), Harry explains this to Voldemort, telling him that he'll never harm his friends again, pointing out that Voldemort's spells against his friends are no longer binding.

I get that the Elder Wand is a central component and that it is the more powerful weapon, however, isn't the message of love the central theme of the series? I don't feel like the movie really highlighted this and it could have been with a few simple sentences. Instead by focusing on the Elder Wand, it made it seem that Harry was just in the right place at the right time to disarm Draco.

Again, I loved it but when the movie missed what the foundation of Harry Potter is all about and what makes Harry a true hero... love - I was thoroughly deflated.


I think the theme of love did get diluted. I think it was replaced by self sacrifice and courage and loyalty. Getting that love in there a little stronger would have been satisfying. I wonder if an expository speech during the end duel would have been too much?

Where was Parvati? Did anyone see her? Saw Padma, but not Parvati?


I've never seen anything official on it, but I assumed her well publicized troubles kept her from completing her role.

Perhaps he totally didnt see Harry.
Only problem with that is that i think most people would notice a bawling infant behind them.

I also missed the Ravenclaw Common Room, Kreacher leading the House elf charge (Blame GoF on that one for not showing S.P.E.W., i was really looking forward to that:sad:), and i kept thinking in the HP vs. Voldemort finale that voldemort could have easily killed harry at so many times. I was also looking forward to Percy's resignation line, but they killed Thicknesse so quick i knew it wouldnt happen.

Also they didn't show how Hagrid got captured?

Perhaps he totally didnt see Harry. Also he didnt seem too shocked to me. He seemed more shocked that Harry had Lily's eyes. ;)




I'm not sure if he was surprised, as much as he hadn't considered protecting Harry a way to continue his love and loyalty to Lily.

A few things.


Snape holding Lily's body while baby Harry bawled miserably just creeped me out.

For that matter, why did Snape's memories show Lily's death and Lily speaking to Harry? It didn't make any sense to me.

Yea that kind of creeped me out too. But he really did care about her. I've seen similar scenes on tv before when someone holds onto someone they love even after they've been shot and that kind of thing.

It does. It shows just how much Lily cares about her son, and it showed that Snape had to take care of Harry (in his own way) -- by defending him from Voldemort. That's why I took from it anyway.

What happened to either Crabbe or Goyle? (I don't know who played which) -- one of them wasn't even in the movie itself, but some black kid was there with either Crabbe or Goyle... during the scene where Harry was looking for the diediem (sp?)...

What happened to either Crabbe or Goyle? (I don't know who played which) -- one of them wasn't even in the movie itself, but some black kid was there with either Crabbe or Goyle... during the scene where Harry was looking for the diediem (sp?)...

He got in trouble with the law and wasn't able to be in the movie so they had Blaise be in the Fiendfyre scene. Blaise was in HBP as well.

Only a couple things bothered me...

The Grey Lady moving around all the time was very distracting...

And I didn't like the way the words "19 years later" looked... kinda weird. :lol:

I LOVED the movie but

they didnt show what happen to Peter pettigrew I get that him/tom chocking himself would have been to graphic for the movies but did Dobby kill him or just knock him out?

that Harry didnt mend his wand

and that Teddy jr was cut out

how Ginny, Ron and Draco looked in the epilogue


other then that everything was great was so worht the wait!

The nineteen years later was disappointing. I feel like they should've put some more effort into it, as its the very end and ties everything up. It left me unsatisfied.

A few things.

Ron standing back when Harry tells his friends he's going into the Forest to die was one of my biggest peeves.

Snape holding Lily's body while baby Harry bawled miserably just creeped me out.

For that matter, why did Snape's memories show Lily's death and Lily speaking to Harry? It didn't make any sense to me.

The prolonged chase around between Harry and Voldemort, especially the jumping off the tower part.

I didn't like it that Voldemort and Bellatrix both shattered into little bits when they died. (Just like Quirrell, too) I think one of the best things about Voldemort's death as it happened in the book was the "mundane finality". Just like any other person, he died, and not in spectacular dramatic fashion, after all his delusions of grandeur.

And as others have mentioned, young James Potter not having dark hair or glasses.

Also, I thought it didn't make sense for the students hiding in the Room of Requirement to go and assemble in the Hall. It defeats the purpose of actually hiding out from the Carrows.

Snape holding Lily's body was one of my favorite parts. It really showed how much Snape loved Lily!

The nineteen years later was disappointing. I feel like they should've put some more effort into it, as its the very end and ties everything up. It left me unsatisfied.


It left me disappointed in the book also.

It left me disappointed in the book also.

me too I wish she didnt jump into 19 years later I would liked to have read the effects of the war afterwards. Who that all died, how long it took Hogwarts to be rebuilt, did the golden trio ever go back to school, what hapen to the death eaters if they didnt all die etc

me too I wish she didnt jump into 19 years later I would liked to have read the effects of the war afterwards. Who that all died, how long it took Hogwarts to be rebuilt, did the golden trio ever go back to school, what hapen to the death eaters if they didnt all die etc

Same, I would have thought it would have been funny if she gave numeral statistics off the battle and casualties. 19 Years Later seemed like a really short chapter. The movie could have at lest included the "It did for me" line by Harry.

Kreacher leading the House elf charge (Blame GoF on that one for not showing S.P.E.W., i was really looking forward to that)
But you can't blame GOF for that, GOF had a complicated plot that was difficult to put into a film as it was. SPEW didn't add anything to the plot, and would have wasted screen time. Therefore it had to be omitted!

*sigh*

I'm not one that is nitpicky about the films and what's in the films vs what's in the books. The only things I could say that bothered me was length. I thought DHP2 could have been a bit longer and added some time to The Prince's Tale and 19 Years Later.

Other than that, I thought it was a lovely adaption.

Hi! This is my first post and I'm very happy to have found this lovely Harry Potter forum. :wave:

I really enjoyed "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2." I thought it was a great movie, but I would have liked if the film was at least 10 or 15 minutes longer to expand on some of the scenes like "King's Cross" and especially, the final battle between Harry and Voldemort. I was fine with the change of location from the Great Hall to the courtyard, but what bothered me was that no one was there to witness how Harry defeated Voldemort and that no one seemed to acknowledge his victory over evil. I also didn't like that Harry didn't talk to Voldemort before he defeated him like he did in the book. Finally, I would have liked to see Harry repairing his phoenix wand with the Elder Wand. If these details would have been included, the movie would have been perfect for me, but all in all, it was a wonderful way to end the series.

As bad as this will sound, I tried to limit what I read in this thread. I loved the film and walked away feeling overjoyed that the series came to an end in such a spectacular manner. If I start getting into the negative aspects of the movie, it might lessen my own opinion of the film. My only major irritation came when Harry snapped the Elder Wand immediately after the battle instead of using it to repair his old wand first. I understood the decision to have him snap the wand, even if it wasn't canon, but I wish he had repaired his original Holly/Phoenix wand first.

My only major irritation came when Harry snapped the Elder Wand immediately after the battle instead of using it to repair his old wand first. I understood the decision to have him snap the wand, even if it wasn't canon, but I wish he had repaired his original Holly/Phoenix wand first.

I totally agree, He really should have repaired he's old wand before snapping the elder wand cause in the book it was quite plain that Harry really liked his old wand and that he didn't want the elder wand, now he just ended with Draco's old wand...

One other thing that bothered me was the fight between Harry and Voldemort. It should have been out in the open when everyone saw them fighting so that they would see Voldemort die, cause now it felt like Voldemort dying wasn't that big of a deal...
Otherwise I LOVED the movie, It was in my opinion, probably the best movie in the Series...

A few things.

Ron standing back when Harry tells his friends he's going into the Forest to die was one of my biggest peeves.

Personally, I didn't like Harry going to his friends and telling them he's going to die, in the first place. While Emma's performance was excellent in that scene, I don't think that's how Ron and Hermione would've reacted, if Harry'd told them he was off to die. I think they would have tried to stop him, tell him that they'll fight to the end. Not to mention that they would (or should) have been creeped out, had Harry told them he had a piece of Voldemort's soul inside him. And on a related note, I thought they shouldn't have left out Ron and Hermione's line from the book 'don't listen to him', when Voldemort spoke for the second time. In the film, the way Ron and Hermione looked at Harry, made me feel that they agree with Voldemort to an extent, but were just too polite to actually say it, :whistle:.

For that matter, why did Snape's memories show Lily's death and Lily speaking to Harry? It didn't make any sense to me.

My question is how more than why. These were supposed to be Snape's 'memories'; things he'd seen and witnessed. How come Snape had seen Lily's final moments, when he wasn't even there?

I didn't like it that Voldemort and Bellatrix both shattered into little bits when they died. (Just like Quirrell, too) I think one of the best things about Voldemort's death as it happened in the book was the "mundane finality". Just like any other person, he died, and not in spectacular dramatic fashion, after all his delusions of grandeur.

Also, I thought it didn't make sense for the students hiding in the Room of Requirement to go and assemble in the Hall. It defeats the purpose of actually hiding out from the Carrows.

Agree about both points. Also isn't that what happened to Nagini when she died?

I was suprised to see Cho, Seamus and other DA members among the students in the Hall. I'm assuming they expected Snape and the Carrows to be out of the way soon enough, that they didn't mind being seen again. The way Snape gazes at Cho makes me think he probably suspects her, but I could be imagining things..

I just went to the movie last night. I liked it OK but would've loved to see more things, the major ones are:

In the King Cross scene - Dumbledore didn’t tell Harry that if he goes back, his chance of finishing VD for good is great, he didn’t tell Harry that he ‘guessed’ that Harry wouldn’t have died because the blood VD took (hence, making him a lot more forgiving)…
Also, Mr. Olivander scene – something about it makes me feel unsatisfied… I can’t pinpoint it yet but something’s missing.
Harry telling VD why he will win.
Neville shouting Dubledore army and kill Nigini
A LOT of people running up and down the stairs but then disappeared completely, they couldn’t have all died.
Harry didn’t fix his old wand.
The most disappointing is the dueling btw VD and Harry. Nobody’ve seen it and nobody cheers…

Oh, and when Harry told Aberfoth about the Horcrux, like.. isnt he not supposed to tell anybody?


but overall I like the film :)

You know... Wasnt Cho a year ahead of Harry? She should not have been in the great hall... because she was no longer a student. Maybe thats why Snape looked at her, he knew what was going on.

Also, my only problems with the film were when Bellatrix shattered (I wanted her to just drop dead, and the effect look fake), when Voldemort died (I wanted him to just drop dead as well, even though the effect looked really great), and that Harry did not fix his wand. Other than that I was completely satisfied, especially with Snape's death and the Prince's Tale. <3 Those parts were my favorite.

You know... Wasnt Cho a year ahead of Harry? She should not have been in the great hall... because she was no longer a student. Maybe thats why Snape looked at her, he knew what was going on.


During Order of the Phoenix, Hermione said that Cho was "worried about passing her O.W.Ls" so she is a fifth year in that movie, same year as Harry.

Personally, I didn't like Harry going to his friends and telling them he's going to die, in the first place. While Emma's performance was excellent in that scene, I don't think that's how Ron and Hermione would've reacted, if Harry'd told them he was off to die. I think they would have tried to stop him, tell him that they'll fight to the end. Not to mention that they would (or should) have been creeped out, had Harry told them he had a piece of Voldemort's soul inside him. And on a related note, I thought they shouldn't have left out Ron and Hermione's line from the book 'don't listen to him', when Voldemort spoke for the second time. In the film, the way Ron and Hermione looked at Harry, made me feel that they agree with Voldemort to an extent, but were just too polite to actually say it, :whistle:.

I would have preferred if he hadn't told them, too. But, as he did, I was seriously annoyed that Ron didn't have more of a reaction.
I agree, they would really have tried to stop him, they would have insisted there must be another way. Yeah, I think that line should have been included too, and I think the way the scene was done, showing lots of people in the Hall, injured, etc, it seems to suggest a lot of them were thinking it. :sigh:


My question is how more than why. These were supposed to be Snape's 'memories'; things he'd seen and witnessed. How come Snape had seen Lily's final moments, when he wasn't even there?

That was my point - why did Snape have memories of Lily speaking to Harry, and of her death? It makes no sense.


Agree about both points. Also isn't that what happened to Nagini when she died?

Oh, yeah, I forgot that Nagini was on the list of shattering evil characters. It was a bit overdone, IMO.


In the King Cross scene - Dumbledore didn’t tell Harry that if he goes back, his chance of finishing VD for good is great, he didn’t tell Harry that he ‘guessed’ that Harry wouldn’t have died because the blood VD took (hence, making him a lot more forgiving)…


Good point. It reminds me - Dumbledore never actually told Harry that he wasn't dead, yet Harry still comes to the conclusion that he can go back, and that he has to. :hmm:

But you can't blame GOF for that, GOF had a complicated plot that was difficult to put into a film as it was. SPEW didn't add anything to the plot, and would have wasted screen time. Therefore it had to be omitted!

*sigh*

True. I was just really looking forward to more Kreacher because he lost most of his lines in Part 1 and the House elves part was one of my favorites.

I wanted them to give Remus and Tonks some more scenes. They have a child, they both die, and you give them what, 1 scene where they're alive? The part where they try to hold hands for the last time broke my heart.

That was my point - why did Snape have memories of Lily speaking to Harry, and of her death? It makes no sense.
*facepalm*
Adaption, people. The audience HAD to know what was going on there.

True, true. It doesn't make sense, but it has to happen. We need to see what happened and there's only pensieve scene. So, I just go with it.

The only things that really bugged me were one, Ron having no reaction to Harry going in to the forest. I realize they were trying to convey his emotions with eye contact between him and Harry but in that situation it just doesn't cut it.

The other thing was that little shot of Remus and Tonks reaching for each others hands. Did I miss something there? Because it looked like they were just standing next to each other. Why were they struggling to reach each other? Couldnt they just have taken each others hands? This is a very nit picky thing I know but it just bugged me.

Where to begin...While this was not my least favorite movie, there were several things that needn't have been added (or should have been added).

Number one would probably be the scene where Snape is in the Potter's house clutching Lily to his chest. It looked so ridiculous to me that I actually laughed out loud. This seems to be an unpopular opinion, but to me it just about completely ruined the whole Prince's Tale sequence. It's just...why did they have to include that, when they could have had moments that actually defined their relationship? I felt that they didn't show Lily and Snape's friendship, they only showed Snape mourning over her. :shrug: But one thing I did like about the Prince's Tale was all of the flashbacks from the previous movies. That was cool.

Number two would be the epilouge, which, overall, was well done. However, at the very very end, they have a shot of Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny. Then they slowly zoom in until Harry and Hermione are clearly shown standing side by side, Ron is hazy in the background, and Ginny is out of the shot. It gave me the impression that Harry and Hermione were a happy couple watching their child start their journey to Hogwarts...

Number three, the Trio weren't present at Fred's death...which wasn't even shown.

Number four, in the King's Cross scene I hated the part where Dumbledore had disappeared in the mist and Harry keeps calling out: "Professor! Professor, what do I do now?" Not to mention that they didn't even have the conversation that they had in the book. I was looking forward to that.

Number five, there was no Weasley family reunion with Percy! He was just there, with no explanation as to why he changed his mind. Plus, I really wanted to see the part where Lupin is showing the picture of Teddy to Fleur and Harry in an attempt to give the Weasleys a bit of privacy.

*facepalm*
Adaption, people. The audience HAD to know what was going on there.

I agree. The filmmakers cannot assume that every single person watching the HP films have read the HP books (unfortunately).

The things that bothered me are things pretty much everyone else didn't like either haha.

- Although I love how they extended the battle between Harry and Voldemort, I didn't like how there was no witnesses to the kill; Harry killed him and it switched over to a very solemn looking Great Hall. No cheering, no hugging Harry for killing the biggest evil, none of that. But I do like how Voldemort just disintegrated; great special effects in this film!

- I didn't like how McGonnagal just sent all of the Slytherins to the dungeons; she didn't even mention the escape route and the underage wizards who needed to get out of there! That would've been easy to mention, seriously.

- Personally I wanted to see Voldy and Snape in the Shrieking Shack, not the Boathouse, but that's just a personal preference :/

- The beginning went kind of fast for me; you saw Fleur and Bill for about 2 seconds, then they were talking to Griphook & Ollivander and then Hermione turned into Bellatrix after she held up a piece of hair for half a second. And no Lupin mentioning his son! That part didn't necesarrily have to be there, but they could've put it somewhere! Harry mentioned it after Lupin was dead, but that felt more like a "here audience, take this info that he has a son and then forget about it after I die in three seconds." Eh, ah well.

- They rarely used the Invisibility Cloak. I mean, it's a freaking hallow! They need to at least use it! Especially the scenes that called for it, like when they were in Hogsmeade and decided to appear out in the open.

- I feel like the way they mentioned whole Dumbledore/Aberforth/Ariana story was strange; the parts they decided to mention were more like something for the audience to chew on rather than a story in itself.

- It felt weird to me seeing Ron & Hermione trying to kill Nagini with a mere fang. I mean that snake was huge! I understand why they made it where those two were hunting the snake, but it just felt weird to me. But I'm glad they kept the fact that Neville kills it.

- Percy?! Is that you in the last five minutes of the film just standing there while Voldemort speaks? Where did you come from!

- In the King's Cross scene with Harry & Dumbledore, I wish they would've had Dumbledore mention that Harry was the true possesor of the Hallows or something along those lines, just so that the Deathly Hallows overall wouldn't become just a side story.

Overall, I feel like they mentioned what needed to be mentioned for those who just watch the movies. Too much would confuse a lot of people. And I understand that with something as huge and informational as Harry Potter, it's hard to decided what to mention and what to omit. But I'm still a huge fan of the movies!

The things that bothered me are things pretty much everyone else didn't like either haha.

- Although I love how they extended the battle between Harry and Voldemort, I didn't like how there was no witnesses to the kill; Harry killed him and it switched over to a very solemn looking Great Hall. No cheering, no hugging Harry for killing the biggest evil, none of that. But I do like how Voldemort just disintegrated; great special effects in this film!

- I didn't like how McGonnagal just sent all of the Slytherins to the dungeons; she didn't even mention the escape route and the underage wizards who needed to get out of there! That would've been easy to mention, seriously.

- Personally I wanted to see Voldy and Snape in the Shrieking Shack, not the Boathouse, but that's just a personal preference :/

- The beginning went kind of fast for me; you saw Fleur and Bill for about 2 seconds, then they were talking to Griphook & Ollivander and then Hermione turned into Bellatrix after she held up a piece of hair for half a second. And no Lupin mentioning his son! That part didn't necesarrily have to be there, but they could've put it somewhere! Harry mentioned it after Lupin was dead, but that felt more like a "here audience, take this info that he has a son and then forget about it after I die in three seconds." Eh, ah well.

- They rarely used the Invisibility Cloak. I mean, it's a freaking hallow! They need to at least use it! Especially the scenes that called for it, like when they were in Hogsmeade and decided to appear out in the open.

- I feel like the way they mentioned whole Dumbledore/Aberforth/Ariana story was strange; the parts they decided to mention were more like something for the audience to chew on rather than a story in itself.

- It felt weird to me seeing Ron & Hermione trying to kill Nagini with a mere fang. I mean that snake was huge! I understand why they made it where those two were hunting the snake, but it just felt weird to me. But I'm glad they kept the fact that Neville kills it.

- Percy?! Is that you in the last five minutes of the film just standing there while Voldemort speaks? Where did you come from!

- In the King's Cross scene with Harry & Dumbledore, I wish they would've had Dumbledore mention that Harry was the true possesor of the Hallows or something along those lines, just so that the Deathly Hallows overall wouldn't become just a side story.

Overall, I feel like they mentioned what needed to be mentioned for those who just watch the movies. Too much would confuse a lot of people. And I understand that with something as huge and informational as Harry Potter, it's hard to decided what to mention and what to omit. But I'm still a huge fan of the movies!

I wouldn't have minded the Slytherin's going to the dungeons if we had gotten to see Filch freeing them.

Well there was that one jerk who tried to ruin the midnight showing by using "spoilers" he found online (granted, the spoilers he found were from the Half-blood Prince so I got a good laugh out of it... as did most in attendance once the shock of "is he serious?" wore off)

I actually mentioned this on the things I liked thread too. I still can't decide if this guy is for real or faking. A win for Harry Potter fans regardless.

Oh yeah. P.S. :p Sorry forgot if anyone wants to check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e82me6xEqA

I would have preferred if he hadn't told them, too. But, as he did, I was seriously annoyed that Ron didn't have more of a reaction.

I think someone mentioned on the other thread that Harry had shaken his head at Ron, so maybe that's why Ron had stayed back. But I'll have to watch out for that next time.

- They rarely used the Invisibility Cloak. I mean, it's a freaking hallow! They need to at least use it! Especially the scenes that called for it, like when they were in Hogsmeade and decided to appear out in the open.

Agree, they Cloak is a bit overlooked in the film. But I think they chose to leave it out of that scene because it would've made things pretty easy for the Trio.

- It felt weird to me seeing Ron & Hermione trying to kill Nagini with a mere fang. I mean that snake was huge! I understand why they made it where those two were hunting the snake, but it just felt weird to me. But I'm glad they kept the fact that Neville kills it.

Maybe they thought it would just die from it, because it's a Horcrux, not a normal snake?

Well I am brand new here, and so much to read, but I adore the last book. In fact I adore all of them. But Though I liked the movie, I felt there were details that could have been added. I think as do many I am sure that people who did not read the books miss so very much.
2 Hours and 10 minutes?? All us fans would have gladly sat for 3 or more hours to see the ending of our beloved series.
I adore Snape, and I sobbed at the scene where Harry see his memories, I think even that was not done to the books standards and could have easily been.
Well on that note, I am going to see it again today. :)
:agree:

*facepalm*
Adaption, people. The audience HAD to know what was going on there.

I'm aware that it's an adaptation. But it still needs to make sense. The Pensieve shows memories, and Snape gave Harry his memories. Snape had no way of having memories of Lily's final moments.

I think someone mentioned on the other thread


Agree, they Cloak is a bit overlooked in the film. But I think they chose to leave it out of that scene because it would've made things pretty easy for the Trio.



Maybe they thought it would just die from it, because it's a Horcrux, not a normal snake?

Yeah I understand why they decided to have them try to use a fang, because of the other horcruxes, it was a good consistency to use so the audience doens't get too confused; I just found it kinda strange!

I realized a lot of the decisions they made were more for the benefit of the 'action' film they wanted it to be. I still loved the movie! I'm just a biased book reader lol.

I wouldn't have minded the Slytherin's going to the dungeons if we had gotten to see Filch freeing them.

Agreed, that would've been a good redemption for that part. But still, I wish they would've at least mentioned escape for the younger students and stuff.

Maybe that part where harry was killing voldemort was because they were both wounded when they dropped in the courtyard after a little flying

I'm aware that it's an adaptation. But it still needs to make sense. The Pensieve shows memories, and Snape gave Harry his memories. Snape had no way of having memories of Lily's final moments.

The way I see it is this: in the movieverse, magic can have extra dimensions. So if Snape's memories include a scene which he himself never witnessed, maybe we, the audience, are stepping briefly outside his perspective. Sure, it's poetic licence - the same way that Snape using his tears to transmit his memories is poetic licence. But it's also good cinematic storytelling. And I doubt the non-HP audience are jarred by the Lily perspective. I like that bit very much as it shows the audience an important aspect of Lily's character. :cool:

But I should be discussing what bothers me. Well, there were things that did bother me, initially, but they don't any more. :lol:

Teddy. He had no mention until the Resurrection Stone scene, and even then people were like; "Whaaa-?? Lupin has a son?" I think Remus should have turned up at Shell Cottage and announced the birth.

The way I see it is this: in the movieverse, magic can have extra dimensions. So if Snape's memories include a scene which he himself never witnessed, maybe we, the audience, are stepping briefly outside his perspective. Sure, it's poetic licence - the same way that Snape using his tears to transmit his memories is poetic licence. But it's also good cinematic storytelling. And I doubt the non-HP audience are jarred by the Lily perspective. I like that bit very much as it shows the audience an important aspect of Lily's character. :cool:

But I should be discussing what bothers me. Well, there were things that did bother me, initially, but they don't any more. :lol:

I liked seeing Lily's perspective, too. But that's just it - it was Lily's perspective. There was no reason for Snape to have Lily's memories of something he was not present to see or hear. And I think it excluded some important aspects of Lily's character - such as Lily refusing to stand aside for Voldemort. :shrug:

I see that as slightly different from the tears containing the memories - fair enough, it's poetic licence, but it works, IMO. The tears contain Snape's memories, just as strands of silver did in the books. I think the jump it takes for Snape to have Lily's memories is something different.

I think someone mentioned on the other thread that Harry had shaken his head at Ron, so maybe that's why Ron had stayed back. But I'll have to watch out for that next time.



Yes, they made eye contact, and they both did the guy-head-nod thing. It's not like Ron wasn't expecting something like this could happen; both Ron & Hermione know Harry has no choice because of the soul piece.

He got in trouble with the law and wasn't able to be in the movie so they had Blaise be in the Fiendfyre scene. Blaise was in HBP as well.
Oh I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

It has been mentioned many times before but it's worth saying again because it is the one thing that jumped right out at me: A nearly complete lack of appreciation shown to Harry by nearly anyone except good old Hagrid after Voldemort is defeated. Let's face it: he saved the Wizarding world from a replay of Nazi Germany. He almost dies how many times over during his years at Hogwarts? He saves the life of practically everyone in the Weasly family at least once. His arents are murdered, friends killed, endures pain and horror-filled vision all his life, has a bounty on his head, etc etc etc and NOT ONE person comes over to say "Thanks Harry", shake his hand or pat him on the shoulder. Very unrealistic. Very disappointing thing to witness. Even having a few of the people seen sitting around shooting the breeze, coming to gather around Harry in a circle would have been enough. He needed Colin Creevy.

It was very disappointing that the final battle was not overlooked by others and all of the dialogue between Harry & Voldy during the final battle did not make the movie. 8 movies of build up just for the final battle to fizzle off like that.

Voldy should have known about: Snape's true loyalty & the true allegiance of the elder wand. Also in the book Harry calls him Tom repeatedly and belittles him in front of everyone, all of the stuff that made the ending of the book so awesome was not translated in the movie. Incredibly disappointed, especially because I had loved the movie right until the final battle.

I'm sure this has already been mentioned but I'll say it anyways...
Harry breaking the elder wand!

I mean, I understand that it gets the point across to viewers of the film that aren't so familiar with the books that Harry is not the kind of person who would keep a dangerous magical object like that for himself. However, he just destroyed one of the most elusive and powerful artifacts in his world's history! There could have been a nice denoument or short dialogue with him burying it next to Dumbledore and talking about how if he dies a natural death then it would no longer work. Or, at least shown him repairing his phoenix wand with the elder wand first. I just found that really illogical.

Also, the lack of attention drawn to the deaths of Remus and Tonks. They're two of my favourite characters (although minor). I think they did a poor job in general establishing the multitude of deaths that took place in the Final Battle. IMO the random flashes of bodies were not sufficient.

I would say breaking the wand was a very clear, concise and perfect message to convey that the wand would not be used again. Anything else, including burying it or pontificating about it, would have introduced ambiguity and even more confusion for the audience. If you want to send a clear signal of power being broken or ended, then break it. One of the rare moments that was much better in the movie than in the book.

I agree with what most have said disappointed them. I thought the movie was great up until the final battle.

The only think I was upset about that I didn't see mentioned was that, in my opinion,by removing the dialog from the end they took away a very powerful part of the final story and the key piece that I felt links the very beginning to the end, the parallel between Lily choosing to die to save Harry, and Harry choosing to die to save his friends and in doing so provide them with the same protection.

I would say breaking the wand was a very clear, concise and perfect message to convey that the wand would not be used again. Anything else, including burying it or pontificating about it, would have introduced ambiguity and even more confusion for the audience. If you want to send a clear signal of power being broken or ended, then break it. One of the rare moments that was much better in the movie than in the book.

I think that most people don't have a problem with the fact that he broke the Elder wand, but that didn't repair his own phoenix feather wand beforehand.

I think that most people don't have a problem with the fact that he broke the Elder wand, but that didn't repair his own phoenix feather wand beforehand.

Thats why i was confused when he did it :hmm: but no biggie, it didnt ruin the film at all.

For the most part I loved this movie and saw it twice (back to back!). I did have one major issue and wanted to know if anyone else felt the same way. For me, Harry presenting himself to Voldemort in a selfless act of sacrifice to stop Voldemort from hurting his friends is a key moment. This mirrors the act of love and sacrifice by Lily to protect Harry. In the book (pps. 738-739), Harry explains this to Voldemort, telling him that he'll never harm his friends again, pointing out that Voldemort's spells against his friends are no longer binding.

I get that the Elder Wand is a central component and that it is the more powerful weapon, however, isn't the message of love the central theme of the series? I don't feel like the movie really highlighted this and it could have been with a few simple sentences. Instead by focusing on the Elder Wand, it made it seem that Harry was just in the right place at the right time to disarm Draco.

Again, I loved it but when the movie missed what the foundation of Harry Potter is all about and what makes Harry a true hero... love - I was thoroughly deflated.

Yo margaretmay - you nailed it. To me this was my biggest issue by far with the movie, and this has a greater thematic tie-in with Lily's sacrifice for Harry and Severus' unrequited love for Lily. I also strongly agree with many posters here about other issues, especially the entire Battle of Hogwarts - there were so many opportunities for brilliant scenes. HP7deuce was just over 2 hours, I would think that the final sequel of a such a financially lucrative movie series would be a full blown epic that was more faithful to the book - the masses were going to pay to see it regardless of length. Thoroughly enjoyed the movie though, just aware the book was better.

The only 2 things that bothered me about the last movie were
1. Voldemort's death was way to short and lack of enthusiasm from the director was clearly shown.
2. The way Voldemort just disintegrates was odd, in the book he doesn't just disintegrate JKR talks about his body.
Apart from this I reckon this was the best adaption out of all the movies. I cried at the end :(

The only inclusion/exclusion I cant seem to get over is the way the final battle was handled. Everything up until that point I thought was done quite well, and I even enjoyed some deviances from canon such as the added Snape/Harry Great Hall scene which was actually one of my favourite scenes.

The minor things such as lack of screentime for Freds death, Lupin/Tonks, and Hagrid was really unnecessary. Just a couple extra minutes would have made all the difference. I barely had a chance to digest dead Fred/Lupin/Tonks onscreen before the next already started. This bothers me even more considering how well Dobby's death was done in Part1, so I know that it could have been amazing.

My biggest problem however was the manner in which Harry and Voldemorts final duel was handled. The reason behind them not including the all important dialogue in which Harry reveals everything to Voldemort in front of everyone before he is killed is beyond me. It would have been the single most amazing scene of the entire series, seeing him completely shut Voldemort down, the person everyone has feared most for all this time, being mocked and embarrassed, told he was betrayed by Snape, making the connection with his mothers sacrifice for him, and Harrys sacrifice for everyone there. I can just picture it in my mind, the gradual build up of the music as Harry taunts him, coming to a great big crescendo as Voldemort is finally defeated and everyone rejoices. Such a missed opportunity.

Re: Breaking the Elder wand:

There was a very pointed scene in the book where it was explained that since Harry was now the true master of the Elder wand, once he passed away it would just become an generic wand again: it tremendous powers would be gone. Its last master had died, so there would be no way for anyone to "win" it away from Harry and thus gain its "loyalty": No need to destroy it.

Showing him restoring his broken wand as the final act and demonstration of the awesome power of the Elder wand would have been a very powerful scene...just as it was in the book. Why they did not include it or the thought processed led to this decision is baffling. An event like that from the book that was so powerful and important -must- have been discussed. I wish the directors would explain it someday. Maybe they just forgot?

My biggest problem however was the manner in which Harry and Voldemorts final duel was handled. The reason behind them not including the all important dialogue in which Harry reveals everything to Voldemort in front of everyone before he is killed is beyond me. It would have been the single most amazing scene of the entire series, seeing him completely shut Voldemort down, the person everyone has feared most for all this time, being mocked and embarrassed, told he was betrayed by Snape, making the connection with his mothers sacrifice for him, and Harrys sacrifice for everyone there. I can just picture it in my mind, the gradual build up of the music as Harry taunts him, coming to a great big crescendo as Voldemort is finally defeated and everyone rejoices. Such a missed opportunity.

You've just said everything I was thinking... completely agree:agree:

I was looking forward to see this nearing the end:

- Firenze
- Trelawney throwing crystal balls
- Buckbeak
- Grawp
- Kreacher leading house-elves at Hogwarts Battle
- Nearly-Headless Nick pointing Harry at the Grey Lady (and being upset Harry not wanting his help)
- Professor McGonnagall summoning Peeves to join battle
- Sir Cadogan encouraging Harry

Oh, and while we're at it, I watched twice Part II, and I didn't notice this part of scene shown below:

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- Professor McGonnagall summoning Peeves to join battle

Peeves' absence is something that bothers me about all the films! :lol:

Which reminds me.. did anyone else find Filch's appearance rather unnecessary? In the book it was quite funny, but in the film I felt it was a bit out of place.

Oh, and while we're at it, I watched twice Part II, and I didn't notice this part of scene shown below:

Me neither. I kept waiting for it but it didn't come. I thought it would be after the Professors set the defences, but that's not how it looked after they were done.

Oh, and while we're at it, I watched twice Part II, and I didn't notice this part of scene shown below:

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Hmmm... isn`t that the scene right before the final battle when the professors were trying to put protective charms on Hogwarts to keep out Voldemort a little longer? I wonder... :hmm:

Anyway, not to stay off topic (which happens to me quite often :rotfl:), I have to say that I absolutely HATED the omission of the Harry/Tom dialogue in the end... Just like many of you have already pointed out, it is one of the essential moments of the whole story to have Harry explain everything to Tom... It was awkward without this moment... :wow: And the film-fans who did not read the books will actually NEVER come to know any of the reasons why Tom failed... :huh:

Tom failed because he was not the master of the elder wand and all of his horcruxes were destroyed. There was never any reason to make the movie any more complicated or convoluted than that.

Regarding Filch's appearance, typical Yates-style cameos.

Peeves' absence is something that bothers me about all the films! :lol:


I definitely agree, He pops up so many times in the books to cause havoc, its always seemed an odd decision to leave him out of the films.

Me neither. I kept waiting for it but it didn't come. I thought it would be after the Professors set the defences, but that's not how it looked after they were done.

Hmmm... isn`t that the scene right before the final battle when the professors were trying to put protective charms on Hogwarts to keep out Voldemort a little longer? I wonder... :hmm:

When professors conjure protective spells, it's a white shield. This is when Voldemort breaks the spell, all fiery. Pity to cut such a great shot, if they did so.

Oh, and while we're at it, I watched twice Part II, and I didn't notice this part of scene shown below:

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I'm quite sure I saw it. After Hermione destroys the cup horcrux in the CoS, LV is standing on that precipice overlooking Hogwarts with his DEs, and feels the horcrux destroyed. He gets very upset and angry and then personally unleashes his own barrage on the magical shield using the elder wand, in which the shield burns up and disintegrates as shown in the picture, allowing the DEs to storm the castle. Then it cuts back to Neville on the bridge taunting the DEs and Snatchers, the guy sticks his foot out and confirms the shield is gone, and then they rush Neville for a bit of predictable comic relief.

I don't think that exact shot is in the film, but you do see the fiery destruction of the protections behind Voldemort. I don't think we get a full shot like the one above.

Nothing really bothered me in a big way about the film, as I went into it expecting changes to be made to make it more cinema friendly, so I wasn't too mad about the final battle between Voldemort and Harry.

The one small thing that did bother me however is that Lavender Brown was shown to have died in the film, when in the books it was left ambiguous and JK actually confirmed somewhere that she didn't die, but went on to have wolfish tendencies like Bill. But apart from that, I thought it was great.

Not sure if it 'bothers' me, but I miss it. Ron punching Draco from under the cloak. Oh well.

I had no problem with Harry breaking the Elder Wand, but I wish he had repaired his own phoenix wand first. His connection with that wand wasn't really developed, since in DH1 after they return from Godric's Hollow all he has to say is "It's done." so I could see why they'd think it wasn't important. But it would have been a nice moment for the fans.

I still don't know how I feel about Voldemort bursting into confetti, but I definitely didn't like the fact that nobody was there to witness Harry and Voldemort's duel and the significant dialogue that took place then.

One line that confuses me: "Let's finish this the way we started Tom...together!" And then Harry jumps off the cliff. Why would Harry plummet to his death along with Voldemort? That's essentially what he's doing....lol

This didn't really bother me, but I missed Harry's, "Oi! There's a war going on here!" after Ron and Hermione's kiss. :)

Wasn't a big fan of the Battle of Hogwarts, to be honest. I think it could have been done better. But maybe not... :shrug:

Ron having few scenes. Unlike the first movies, I sort of missed his antics. Other than that the movie was impressive.

I had no problem with Harry breaking the Elder Wand, but I wish he had repaired his own phoenix wand first.

In DH1, the wand was thrown away by the snatchers, so Harry didn't actually own the wand to repair. I'm sure Ollivander would happily make him a new one though. ;)

He does not need a new wand, though. He has a wand that has chosen him. :)

I am sure Draco could go and buy himself a new one...

The thing that bothered me was that they never actually explained why Harry didn't die in the forest. A fairly gaping plot hole. There were so many moments like that where a quick line could have filled in the holes but they didn't really bother.

The other major thing was the final duel with Voldemort. I understand that Yates and Kloves want to actually have some creative input of their own and not really totally on what was written in the book, but the lots of the dialogue between Harry and Voldemort was worth keeping, as was the crowd watching them, and personally I found the slow motion crawling, Voldemort turning to ash, and the shot of the Elder Wand spinning towards Harry almost laughably bad.

While I understand the decision to cut the blood protection explanation, I do agree that a few quick lines would have helped here, for instance by having Dumbledore hint that the Elder Wand couldn't kill Harry because he owned its allegiance. That's the reason Harry survived in the forest and won the final duel. Therefore, it's not a plot hole that he didn't die. Dumbledore addressed that Voldemort only killed his own part inside Harry, but why that happened was unfortunately not stated until after the fact. I would have included that Harry was the master of death, too.



I don't think that's the reason, though it should be part of it; as I understood the books, and DD's little speech in Kings Cross Station therein, the reason Harry had a choice to come back is because of the blood that ran in LV's veins (after he took Harry's to resurrect himself in GoF) which now contained the same protection Lily gave Harry, and thus LV himself became an unwitting tether to life for Harry - and thus DD's "triumphant twinkle in his eye" at the end of GoF as Harry explained what happened in the graveyard.

Though the Elder wand thing should've factored in that point too. If the wand was unwilling to kill it's master, why didn't it just bounce off him in the Forest? -because Harry didn't fight back and intended to die at that point in the story?

I had some very minor quibbles about the film that are really just me being picky, but one thing that really bothered me was the cutting down of Dumbledore's backstory. For me, DH was not just about the final battle or the Horcrux hunt, but also Harry's doubts about DD and how he finally came to terms with it. Aberforth scratches the surface, but neither part 1 nor part 2 explain anything about Dumbledore and Grindelwald's partnership or how Ariana's death changed things (in fact, part 1 pretty much cuts out GG's final defiance of Voldemort). All we get are doubts about Dumbledore without any real resolution or explanation. :(

Though the Elder wand thing should've factored in that point too. If the wand was unwilling to kill it's master, why didn't it just bounce off him in the Forest? -because Harry didn't fight back and intended to die at that point in the story?

Because there was an available other soul to kill in Harry's body, was what I took to be the movie answer.

My complaints are similar to everyone else's, but my biggest complaint (aside from the Prince's Tale being way too short) was the anti-climatic duel with Voldemort and Harry. I listened to the audiobook shortly before the movie and one of my favorite parts was when Harry tells Tom what the real deal was. It was such a triumphant smackdown of Tom and it just wasn't there. It would have been great to see Tom's reaction to all of that but we didn't get any of it. But I still liked the movie.

though i have to say one of my main issues was that thye never once made reference to the fact that harry was the master of death (never really made it clear that the cloak was a hallow..i mean it was obvious i suppose, but still...)

-and espcially hated that there was so celebration when voldemort died...like when harry goes back into the great hall no one seems to even care haha like no one shakes his hand or anything, i mean i know they went through a lot..but hello

-also disliked how voldemort's body dissintegrates? like *** lol i loved i nthe book how it describes his death as his body just laying there, like as proof that he is human with no power anymore, dead. his body is evidence that hes gone forever..wheras him dissintegrating in front of only harry? how do they really know hes gone? i mean obv he is, but still bothered me..

-also, i dont know if i'm imagining or it overlooking something, but why, throughout the whole movie, ron would be like 'only 3 more' or harry would say 'after this its just the snake'... when theres the 7th horcrux (him), i know he didnt know until the end that he was a horcrux, but why did they act like there wasnt a 7th..? weird.

overall though IT WAS AMAZING.

First I have to say, absolutely loved the film, best thing I've ever seen. I don't really have any problems with changes in the movies usually because I understand that they are completely different entities than the books. However, one error I noticed in the film was that when the trio arrives at Hogwarts, Luna is there waiting for them. Well why on earth isn't she at shell cottage?

The only thing that bothered me was that in some parts, it dragged more than anything in DH1. Typical Yates style is to have some scenes go on longer than they should and other scenes being too short.

First I have to say, absolutely loved the film, best thing I've ever seen. I don't really have any problems with changes in the movies usually because I understand that they are completely different entities than the books. However, one error I noticed in the film was that when the trio arrives at Hogwarts, Luna is there waiting for them. Well why on earth isn't she at shell cottage?

Luna was in the RoR so I just assumed that she'd been in touch with Neville via the Dumbledore's Army galleon and came in through the tunnel.

Luna was in the RoR so I just assumed that she'd been in touch with Neville via the Dumbledore's Army galleon and came in through the tunnel.

Well yes, but to have arrived before the trio she would've had to run past them in the tunnel.

There are lots of "they didn't explain" moments, but this isn't new. That's just how the movies are. They *don't* explain, which has driven me nuts for ten years now. That's just what they do. Which has a real negative effect, I think. More people would probably like it and get into it if it made sense. That was the best part of the books: the intricate plot and they just show it, they don't explain it. I wasn't expecting them to.

I didn't like Harry telling Ron and Hermione he was leaving... or suggesting death. They would have refused to let him, or they would have gone with him at least, not ask.

Other than that, it's the normal no explanations thing, but I'm used to that by now. Why did Harry survive? What on earth was that stuff about Dumbledore's sister? Eh, not important. Look at how pretty it is in 3D!

Okay, I sound really negative like I didn't like it, but I did. I just like complaining.

the final duel between Harry and Voldemort wasn't very good. Me and my friend were laughing a bit. The dialouge between the two was the climax of the book and I wish they kept it in..I didn't feel the same tension as I read the book "my god!.. this is it, I'm so nervous"..It was more like okay whatever. And no cheers, hugs, emotion from everyone else later on?
Harry breaking the elder wand? Very lame, IMO.
King's Cross - Dumbledore didn't really seem there for Harry. It was as if Dumbledore happened to be there at King's Cross and decided to have a chat with him.

Prince's Tale - was very artistic and sweet but was vague. I am the only one who thinks it makes Lily look bad? It was very vague.

Everything else was excellent! But these three scenes were the most important and weren't that good.

-and espcially hated that there was so celebration when voldemort died...like when harry goes back into the great hall no one seems to even care haha like no one shakes his hand or anything, i mean i know they went through a lot..but hello




This was one of my main gripes too! I guess having them cheer or celebrate Harry might have been cheesy, I was just a little sad that there was no real acknowledgment of this huge change in the world. Everyone was just sort of in shock. I did like when it was just the three of them at the end, though. Although a couple of people gasped in the theater when Harry jumped up onto the crumbled-down ledge, lol, like they thought he would fall into the lake after all that. :lol:

Other than that, I wish the final duel between H and V were more climatic....and wish Harry and Ginny had more chemistry; their kiss was pretty lackluster compared to Ron and Hermione.

OH and this is minor, but it annoyed me that instead of Crabbe and Goyle in the ROR with Draco, it was Goyle and, randomely, Blaise Zabini. I know the actor who played Crabbe was in jail, but it was just so random and confused me.

Not mentioning Tonks was pregnant: what was the point of Moody interrupting her in the first movie? How did Harry even know they had a baby? Did the baby even need to be mentioned?

I noticed that too, I was waiting for it through DH1 and when they didn't mention it I thought it might be in DH2.
The only hint that Tonks and Lupin had a baby was around the end when Harry was saying something to Lupin about his son!

That's one of the things I don't like about Kloves' writing: He leaves out subplots in one film, such as how Harry got the mirror or that Tonks is pregnant, and then in the next film he pretends it actually was introduced in said film and randomly writes it in without having set it up properly. Does he honestly think the audience is not going to notice the laziness of the writing?

I liked seeing Lily's perspective, too. But that's just it - it was Lily's perspective. There was no reason for Snape to have Lily's memories of something he was not present to see or hear. And I think it excluded some important aspects of Lily's character - such as Lily refusing to stand aside for Voldemort. :shrug:

I always thought they were Harry's memories somehow mingling with Snape's not Lily's. I see no reason that they need to be Lily's.

There was a very pointed scene in the book where it was explained that since Harry was now the true master of the Elder wand, once he passed away it would just become an generic wand again: it tremendous powers would be gone. Its last master had died, so there would be no way for anyone to "win" it away from Harry and thus gain its "loyalty": No need to destroy it.

Showing him restoring his broken wand as the final act and demonstration of the awesome power of the Elder wand would have been a very powerful scene...just as it was in the book.

I almost feel like they did not make the elder wand seem like a powerful wand in the film. I mean it kept cracking and such throughout the film and the whole allegiance of the elder wand was not full explained and then having Harry just break it so easily made a joke of it for me. I think it was a bad decision amongst many bad decisions for the film.

I think the movie didn't tie up some of the loose ends for those who have never read the books. I had to explain some things to a friend who went with me to see the final film. See the following examples to what I'm referring...

1. Which twin died?

2. Tonks and Lupin's deaths and the lack of information about Teddy

3. Where was Hagrid and how was he captured?

4. Harry's wand?

5. Missing the final crucial dialogue between Voldemort and Harry (remorse)

I have couple of gripes but also some insights to offer about some of the questions/gripes from others which have appeared most frequently here and in other forums.

I apologize in advance for the long post but I'm an avid fan and have a lot of insights to share from re-reading the books many times. Please bear with me.

First, I loved the movie. I expected there to be some departures from the book, and was actually looking forward to them. To me, the movie was as much a supplement of the books as a mirror image of them. After all, it's a chance to simply get "more Harry Potter".

If I have any gripe, its that a few more missing touches left out of the books didn't get added.

For instance, I would have loved to have seen Hagrid dueling with a wand. He'd be a juggernaut, as his giant size/blood would repel most curses, so he could concentrate more on taking down as many oppponents as possible and less on blocking incoming spells. Also he deserved to have his wizard status re-instated after being exonerated from having opened the Chamber of Secrets, but that never happened.

Also, I'd like to have seen an extended duel with Hermione. Perhaps she could have killed Bellatrix instead of Mrs. Weasley (although I liked that too -- don't you know better than to mess with the momma bear, Bellatrix?). According to Hagrid "They've yet to think up a spell that our Hermione can't do." I'd love to have seen what she pulled out of her hat. I have no doubt it would have been truly frightening. Not to mention oh so poetic for Bellatrix to have been defeated by a muggle-born rather than a pure-blood!

One more minor gripe: I think it would have been much more dramatic for Neville to cap off his inspirational speech by pulling out the sword of Gryffindor and killing Nagini on the spot (closer to what happened in the book), rather than the extended sequence of cat-and-mouse that followed. In fact, I was pretty dumbfounded that didn't happen since Nagini was slithering right in front of him at the time.


OK, now to the other peoples' questions/gripes:

Throughout my discussion, I observe some of Rowling's darker, mature themes in the books. Some people may think some of what I'm about to share as a downer. To them, I hope that at least it comes across that I think of the Harry Potter series as an important literary endeavor worthy of deep reflection on its imperfect and complex characters and moral themes, not just a feel good pop sensation.

1. There's no such thing as a perfect friend, role model, or hero. After all, Dumbledore "never had much time for heroes."
2. Life is not fair. In fact, James Potter "frequently saw to it" in his errant youth.
3. The line between fame and infamy is precariously fragile.


Why didn't Ron hug Harry before his fated trip to the woods? I think Ron just didn't have the emotional energy to spare at that point. After all, his brother had just been killed and in the back of his mind he's got to be struggling a little bit not to think of Harry as being partly at fault for not giving himself up to Voldemort earlier. This seems more true to life than the hug in the book.

Why was Harry's re-union with his Dad so "anti-climactic"? If you re-read the books and think through it, it might seem like Harry's maturation process kindof progresses from identifying with his Dad as a role model towards identifying with his Mom. Ultimately, his compassion and foriveness of Snape bears that through. Also, he was in a hurry and had the most need of counsel from his Mom right then, since the whole life-death-life cycle is tied in with her. His Dad, great guy though he was, in the end was just the poor stooge who had left his wand in the next room when Voldemort crashed through the door to murder them. It seems almost a little bit sexist the way Rowling lays that out but perhaps the screenwriters just followed her lead.

How did Harry stay alive? I actually found it an elegant cinematic device to streamline things by wrapping the story around the Elder Wand and dispense with the details of the blood ritual. Harry simply couldn't be killed by his own wand.

What happened to the dramatic dialog between Voldemort and Harry? I too, loved the extended kinetic action of the last duel between Voldemort and Harry in the movie. That's the extra stuff you go to the movies for when you see one that's based on a book. If I want to relive the dialog I'll go back and read the book again (and there's no doubt that I will).

Why did Harry hurl himself and Voldemort off the tower? To me, this is totally in keeping with Harry's desire to avoid further casualties, as he already feels guilty about the body count, esp. some of the dead that were close to him. Either they would both die quickly and cleanly in the fall or, if not, at least he'd be moving the duel into the open grounds and away from further collateral victims.

How did Voldemort actually die? Like others, I too didn't catch the more subtle rendering of the back-firing of the AK spell the first time around. To me it's just as meaningful as the version in the book and, again, more cinematic/dramtic for Voldermort to see his own doom slowly approach him as Harry's spell pushes his AK backwards. It's also more convincing because in the book it really isn't clear exactly why Voldemort's AK curse rebounded and hit him instead of Harry. In the end, Voldemort did himself in because of his lack of wisdom and lust for power (his fixation on the Elder Wand, in other words). Harry's only intent was to disarm him. Just like in the book.

Why did Voldemort burst into Confetti? I think this is because his body was a magical construct created by the ritual at the end of Goblet of Fire. It was held together only by his evil will or if you like, the magical equivalent of popsicle sticks and duct tape. Once the life force was extinguished and his will was no longer driving it, the body just went poof!

Why was there no big cheer and group hugging of Harry after his victory? To me the scene as written in the book seemed kind of tacked on and not true to the mature themes Rowling had previously set forth. I almost wonder if her editors twisted her arm to add it. Harry's fame as "the boy who lived" was also his doom, making open displays of support and affection to him at times a daunting prospect. Also, the information about how Voldemort managed his seeming immortality was not widely known, by Dumbledore's design. So it can be imagined that a lot of people would have a hard time believing he had really been defeated once and for all. Throughout the books, Harry keeps cycling in his public image from hero to villain to fool and back again. Only Dumbledore, Ron, Hermonione, Luna and Dobby demonstrated an unwavering faith in him. Even Ron had his doubts from time to time but always came through in the end. That ambivalence plus the sad loss of life would easily quell a strong public celebratory display in real life.

That being said, Harry (and the audience) got a good shot in the arm of good will the couple times when it was most needed. Dumbledore's army members were quite pleased to see him when he first arrived in the RoR at the school. Also, the big cheer that went up and Voldemort's confounded look when Harry capped off Neville's inspirational speech by leaping, alive again, out of Hagrid's arms was quite satisfying.

What do you all think? Very eager to hear.

Well yes, but to have arrived before the trio she would've had to run past them in the tunnel.

Don't forget the time that the trio spent in Gringott's and escaping on the dragon. In the book she came through the tunnel with Dean in time for the battle so already being in the ROR was a small change for the movie.

After I watched first part I was crushed...I mean, they skipped a few parts, ended it on the beginning of the best part, and I hoped they will make second much, much, much better...and actually they did :)
I mean, there are few things they could add, but I think this is by the far best movie in the series..

I finally got to see the movie in theaters yesterday, and while I absolutely LOVED it, just like I have all of the films, there's one little difference I caught, that while i'm not sure if it's exactly a "gripe" or not, but it certainly changed the feel of things a bit for me:

In the book, Harry proudly announces to Voldemort before their final "showdown" how Snape had loved his mother, and had been working for Dumbledore all along, but in the movie, he only says how the Elder Wand was never Snape's, and never fully mentions his good deeds to anyone (besides vaguely bringing it up to his son at the end, of course).

Do you think he did eventually, or was it Harry's way of paying respect to him by keeping his secrets even after his death?


Oh: and I think it also would have been nice, to have seen a little bit more of the battle. Sure, they show plenty of long shots and some little snippets of the fighting, but it would have been great if they would have shown a few more shots of the individual characters in action, and maybe even how Lupin and Tonks died, although that probably wouldn't have jived with the book much...

I dunno: maybe that's just me. :whistle:

I finally got to see the movie in theaters yesterday, and while I absolutely LOVED it, just like I have all of the films, there's one little difference I caught, that while i'm not sure if it's exactly a "gripe" or not, but it certainly changed the feel of things a bit for me:

In the book, Harry proudly announces to Voldemort before their final "showdown" how Snape had loved his mother, and had been working for Dumbledore all along, but in the movie, he only says how the Elder Wand was never Snape's, and never fully mentions his good deeds to anyone (besides vaguely bringing it up to his son at the end, of course).:

Just as the book did, the movie cuts from a scene just after the battle, on the same day, to 19 years later. That we are not shown what happens, doe s not mean any particualr logical or sensible thing the audience would imagine, did not happen, just that we do not know how it did. In 19 years, in any human society I am familiar with, there would have been articles and books written about the history of the battle, memorial services held, monuments built, etc. etc. Personally, I would find it beyond strange if in none of that, Harry volunteered any of what he had learned about Snape in order to set the record straight.

So I assume he did, somehow and somewhen. Because seriously, what is his son supposed to think if he is named after the vile murderer and traitor Severus Snape?

I have always thought Al knew he was named after two fallen heroes of the war who helped his father, and roughly what they did. In my opinion, the brief conversation about Snape on the train platform was new to Al only in that
1) he had not known that the Severus whom he is named after, was in Slytherin as a schoolboy rather than in any other House, and
2) Harry may not have previously shared his assessment that Severus was the bravest man he ever knew.

One more minor gripe: I think it would have been much more dramatic for Neville to cap off his inspirational speech by pulling out the sword of Gryffindor and killing Nagini on the spot (closer to what happened in the book), rather than the extended sequence of cat-and-mouse that followed.

I felt that way too. This would have required one additional movie change, though - Harry would need to have bumped into Neville somewhere between Snape's death scene and the Forest, and would need to have told him to kill the snake. In the book, Neville acts knowingly to kill Nagini, knowing that Harry has said it is important to do so. Perhaps the moviemakers did not want to extend those sequences or include more characters in them, to keep their flow and power (I thought that the scenes from the boathoue through Neville's speech were the absolute best part of the movie, and the series, personally, so I find it hard to insist on any changes that would need o be made to them...)

Another point is that the movie did not really go into the whole blood protection/Voldemort cannot kill Harry business. So the moviemakers may have thought it would be more suspenseful to have Voldemort and Harry duelling in the end with Nagini alive, since this makes it a battle in which Harry might be killed, but Voldemort would not be. Until Neville killed the snake, Harry was really just trying to survive and keep Voldemort focused on him so he would not be killing others. He could not kill Voldemort while Nagini lived.

In fact, I was pretty dumbfounded that didn't happen since Nagini was slithering right in front of him at the time.

In the movie Neville only learns about the need to kill Nagini after his confrontation with Voldemort is over. As he is getting up from being blasted by Voldemort, he is right behind Ron and Hermione when Harry tells them to kill the snake.

The one thing that they messed up was in the book Harry tries to convince Voldemort to give up,and explain how he's still alive. I'm confused why they didn't have that.

I noticed that too, I was waiting for it through DH1 and when they didn't mention it I thought it might be in DH2.
The only hint that Tonks and Lupin had a baby was around the end when Harry was saying something to Lupin about his son!

That is puzzling but there could be a deleted scene in DH2 about it. Maybe.

Snape holding Lily's body while baby Harry bawled miserably just creeped me out.
SO agreed!

I was quite disappointed that Neville didn't take out Nagini at the start of the battle.
There were several aspects of that moment that I liked at the book

It came out of no where
He killed her as she was hanging off of Voldemort's shoulders(!!!) Talk about major character change there, Neville!
Voldemort's reaction


Oh, and no bubble on Nagini. That was one of the things I was looking forward to the most! That was one of the most meme-tastic things on the "Nagini" search on deviantART, and it didn't happen!

Now, when Voldemort and Harry apparated off to have their little battle, I kept waiting for Voldemort to realize that he had left Nagini behind.

Not saying a thing about the "Mudblood" scar that Bellatrix had left on Hermione. Why show it if you're not going to mention it again?

Speaking of Bellatrix, I didn't quite like the way she went out with the blowing up.

And, of course, the final battle. I was hoping for Voldemort to fall over as he did in the book, then for the whole of the survivors coming out with uproarious cheering...maybe even the John Williams theme music blasting as they did so. But...it was too quiet.

- Voldemort and Bellatrix alone of all people changing into ashes after getting hit by the killing curse. I'd have preferred to see that they are mortal just like anyone else, and turn into normal corpses after death.

- most of Neville's scenes. Especially his line "You and whose army?" which felt like quite a (extended)LotR-ripoff to me, given it wasn't even (I think) in the DH book. Honestly, I half-expected Voldemort to drawl "This army!" in Aragorn's voice in answer. Neville's subsequent fall off the bridge fell both Mt-Doom-y and kind of cheap to me. I'd have also much preferred Neville's book line of "I'll join you when hell freezes over! Dumbledore's army!" to the lengthy ones they gave him; in result they came across as bland to my ears. I would have loved to see Neville decapitating Nagini right in front of Voldemort, this was such a powerful moment for him. :(

- Snape's character which comes across as less flawed/private than it was in the books. I can't help being reminded of fanfictions with his sudden HP-friendly attitude (no negative reply to Dumbledore's question if he cares for the boy, his nonsensical -to me- presence at Godric's Hollow, speaking of Lily in front of HP in the boathouse). I preferred the books where he wasn't this soft-hearted. :(

- the Prince's Tale felt rather jumbled and hurried to me. (wouldn't a slower pace + more time be a welcome reprieve from the battle action?) I've read it in the books several times, and I've seen all the previous movies sans one, and still I had trouble keeping up with identifying the memories at the swift pace (and random ordering) that they arrived. I'd have preferred for TPT to be at least 5 minutes longer. Which would also leave some time to show teen Snape and the full length of the Worst Memory which casts some light on his relationship with Lily. (which I believe was insufficiently shown in the movie; we see them as maybe-friends as children, and then suddenly adult SS wailing over Lily's body and Dumbledore clarifying for the audience that SS loved her. What happened to their relationship in between?)

- every Death Eater flying unaided wherever they wish, which I didn't like in any movie so far. It shows quite a number of them as having some kind of superpower which even the best from the other side cannot master, and I don't like that.

- people either having social chit chat or staring when HP makes it to the Great Hall from the final duel. I'd expect people who have just went through a blood bath and got rid of the enemy to be in a state of shock- wandering blindly, crying, being hysterical. The movie version just didn't work for me. And since the final duel didn't take place before their eyes, an inquiry as to what befell Voldemort might be nice; perhaps I missed something, but how do they all know Voldemort is dead when Harry steps into the Great Hall?

- the final duel. I would have preferred to see it take place in front of everyone, with Harry's (even brief) speech as he reveals to Voldemort why he can never win- about the Elder Wand, horcruxes, Snape's allegiance.

- Narcissa'a blonde-dark striped hair. It was in HBP as well, but I still have no idea why they did that, it looks weird.

- a minor peeve: we see a vast Death Eater army, as well as trolls and spiders fighting for Voldemort. The other side has no house elves and last-minute centaurs, just armours to add to students and teachers/Order members.

- a minor peeve: I would have loved for the Malfoys to stick together, not for Narcissa to depart with Draco without a glance at her husband. They struck me in the books as a rather close-knit family. What happened to woman who fiercely defended her husband against Bellatrix's scorn in HBP the book?

Apart from that, DH 2 was a good cinematic experience, and a pleasant surprise for me. :)

I was really looking forward to see how they portrayed Snape in this film, and I was disappointed by it. I was excited to see if they kept in 'Look...at...me' and I was so excited coming up to it, I didn't even hear him say it! It was only the second time seeing it that I heard him, I wish it was delivered a little bit better. :(

Also of course, Harry vs Voldemort. It should have been inside, I don't understand why they made it outside and why they cut the movie so short at the Elder wand being snapped (say what? haha) they should have added in the trio going to Dumbledores office to talk to his portrait, it would have only been an extra 5 minutes or so and I felt that it would have provided more comfort to me but meh, can't have everything.

You know they've done something wrong when the book is more intense than the movie. :(

I haven't read through everything on here, so these things have most likely already been said...

- Voldemort Vs Harry. They were alone, Harry didn't do his little speech and it just wasn't that intense! I don't have much more to say on that...
- Harry snapping the elder wand. Why didn't he fix his first wand?!
- Bellatrix's death. Whilst I loved the fact the Molly's quote was in there, Bella's death just wasn't that good.
- Snape's death. I just thought it was really horrible! Not seeing it, but hearing the banging and that, it was nasty! Much worse than how I imagined in the book. I did love 'The Prince's Tale', though it was a little creepy when he was hugging Lily's dead body. I think Alan Rickman was incredible though.

There's probably more but these are the ones that stick out the most.

Also, at one point I was fuming! I was so sure that Neville wasn't going to kill Nagini! Needless to say, I did let out a big sigh of relief when he finally did it xD

All in all I personally thought this film was excellent and by far the best. However, one aspect of DH2 that I was especially disappointed with was the cutting of Dumbledore's back-story. Grindelwald was mentioned in DH1 (and even indirectly at the end of HBP when Dumbledore is speaking to Draco) and yet his significance was never expanded upon. Aberforth's anger in the Hog's Head was also poorly side-lined, in my opinion. Harry's insistence on how much he trusted Dumbledore and of how he didn't want to know about the problems between Aberforth and his brother were also inconsistent when we remember Harry's uncertainty about Dumbledore when he was speaking to Muriel and Elphias Doge at Bill and Fleur's wedding. Apart from that, the film was brilliant overall .... the Snape flashback sequence was done particularly well!!

Voldemort died. (I know it happened in the books but :{)

END OF QUESTION

I don't remember much from the final book, I read it quickly and that was a few years ago. Though there are a few points I noticed that made me a bit peeved.

-Death of James,Remus,Fred,Tonks and Peter. The camera just showed dead bodies. I know it's a kids film, but they showed Molly Blasting the fudge out of Narcissa, Dobby taking a dagger, blood was shown! So why not SOMETHING for the death of the characters we all know and love who supported Harry through and through. I really would like to have seen James at least attempt to defend his family. Peter...he was supposed to be choked by his own hand, because Voldemort put a curse on it. It shoes Peters hesitation about killing Harry and it was completely written out. They showed Peter in maybe one scene and then no one knows what happens to him. Not even a dead body.

-Lily/Harry eyes. The should be green. If you can make dragons fly, you can change the color of someones eyes on screen -_-

-Ravenclaw Commonroom, I did remember wanting to see that.

- The princes tale, sad as it was, they included awesome scenes, except it was rushed and way too short. I was looking forward to the part where Severus called Lily a mudblood. It was the main reason why they stopped being friends, but I''ll let this one go. The film wanted to show how much Severus loved Lily and that's what they did.

-Aberforth. I didn't know who that was and why he was there. Though I do now recall him being there, his presence was just random, and I couldn't understand why Harry kept looking into the mirror shard or where he even GOT it. Again, not something major.

-In the epilogue, I don't like how they made them seem older. Harry was alright, but everyone else just looked out of place, especially Draco. Draco and Harry were supposed to have that staring moment where Draco nods to acknowledge Harry, that he saved his life, even if he still disliked him. There was a snippet of Draco and his son.

- The thing that REALLY made me mad was that they didn't show Severus or Dumbledore in the headmasters office. Nothing. Not. One. Thing. Eh.


I still thoroughly enjoyed the movie and would pay to see it again. I will go out and buy the final part, but it felt way too rushed.

I was disappointed that they didn't have the part where the McGonagall got spit on and Harry revealed himself. I love that part in the book because I think it is so true to Harry's character, that he was so insulted for McGonagall that he had to stand up for her. I understand why they didn't put it in, but I wish they would have.

I also wish they would have put more of the dialogue between Harry and Dumbledore about the deathly hallows and Arianna in there. As well as the dialogue between Harry and Voldemort before they started dueling. I love those parts in the book and I felt like they tie up some of the loose ends and make the story a bit more cohesive. Maybe its just me though.

As far as i'm concerned, this movie was the best out of the franchise, and i'm not just saying that because it's the last film - i genuinely loved it.

However, like all good movies there are flaws. Most of them are due to moments in the book either being changed or left out, but i understand that changes need to be made to make the film more visually stunning, or because of time constraints.


1) McGonagall's 'i've always wanted to use that spell' line. It's a great comedic moment for the cinema audience when they watch it for the first time. But after watching the film ten times more, that line just loses the humour, and to me it just seemed like a moment purely written for a laugh from the audience. For me it didn't add anything to the scene and seemed a weird thing for McGonagall to say when they're in the middle of defending the castle from Voldemort. Plus, her character just wouldn't say that. Ever.

Maggie Smith says the line brilliantly, but i really felt it didn't need to be there, particularly against the 'statues' music which didn't seem to mix well with the joke.


2) Snapping the Elder Wand. Okay, so Rowling neither confirms nor denies whether the wand is unbreakable, but it's the most powerful wand in the world (or at least to its master). I'm pretty sure an unbeatable wand can't just be snapped like a twig.

3) Which leads me to the next problem. Movie Harry's now stuffed if he wants to fix his old wand. That was the only thing that really annoyed me in the film. The other problems i could live with. but it really bothered me that Harry's wand wasn't fixed.

4) Fred's death. I already knew how the film was going to depict his death from reviews, but i still couldn't help feeling a tad disappointed when i actually saw it. it was important to me that we actually saw his death, rather than a Death Eater disarming him. This is a war, people are going to die, it's unavoidable and the film really needed to get that across. War is a terrible thing and killing loved characters is a way of showing that. The worst thing was, the witch had actually stopped to hear what Voldemort was saying and you could see Fred actually reaching for his wand whilst she was distracted! It could have worked if he had looked properly defeated.

However the mourning scene was perfect and Rupert's acting had me tearing up.

5) Ron/Hermione kiss. Okay, i'm gonna have to say it didn't do it for me. It was nothing to do with the acting, but more to do with the fact Rupert's head was blocking the entire thing. Don't get me wrong, Rupert has a lovely head, but now was probably not the best time to show it. I loved their reactions, loved that they both went for each other at the same time, loved the giggle at the end, but i just wanted to see their lips meet!

6) Lack of reaction to Harry's death. This was the only time when i thought the acting wasn't amazing. Neither Ron or Hermione looked very upset when they saw Harry's body and i was expecting angry outbursts, cries of despair, tears. I really wanted to hear McGonagall's "No!" and Ron's "He beat you!" line and was rather sad that neither addition had been added.

7) Aberforth beckoning the trio inside the pub. Okay, this has nothing to do with the film, it's just a personal irritation of mine. The trio are running from the Death Eaters, someone whispers "Potter, in here!" and they just walk into the place?! For all they knew that could have been a Death Eater posing as a concerned citizen! It could have been better if Harry used 'lumos' to check who the stranger was, before blindly walking into his house.

7) "Let's finish this the way we started - together." Need i say more?

8) Last shot of the epilogue. Absolutely stunning. Loved the music, loved the aging make up, but why oh why was Rupert once again stuck at the back, nearly out of frame, whilst Emma and Dan were to centre frame? I think the camera was trying to do a centre shot of just Harry, but because Emma was standing so close to Dan, they were both in the middle, with Rupert to the far left. I think it would have been nicer to have all three in the middle.

There are some small things that bothered me, but I can overlook those. The one thing that really bothered me is the same thing that bothered many people. Why did Harry have to pull Voldemort of the cliff? Also, I was not a big fan of how Bellatrix and Voldemort kind of turned into confetti when they died.

"Let's finish this the way we started - together." Need i say more?
One line that confuses me: "Let's finish this the way we started Tom...together!" And then Harry jumps off the cliff. Why would Harry plummet to his death along with Voldemort? That's essentially what he's doing....lol

I think this was a pointless swipe from Sherlock Holmes. Holmes (in a scene Arthur Conan Doyle originally intended to be the end of the character) basically decided that it was worth his death to have the world rid of Moriarty.

Doesn't this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Holmes_reichenbach.jpg look a bit similar to this http://images.wikia.com/harrypotter/images/4/46/HarryTomFall.JPG to anyone else? I think they were going for some iconic shorthand of "I don't care if I go as long as I get rid of you!" Which Harry did feel, but I think Harry's iconic enough to get his own clear scene, not a copy.

As to Luna, this was jarring, but she did have the time the trio was at Gringotts. She could have gotten some movie-verse equivalent of a DA coin message and apparated there or something. :shrug:

Cho I think has always been treated in the movies as a classmate, not a year older.

One of the things that was really minor (but that I kinda wanted to see badly) in the movie was more of the Carrows. I know they weren't a big deal, but I was excited to see how they would play out in the final film. When they were barely shown for a second, I was not too happy about that.

Alright...why was Cho there. She should have been long gone.

Final thing, WHY BREAK THE WAND. He needed to go back to Dumbledore's office and repair his own wand! Then he hid the wand. I think they might have broken the wand as the sort of "symbol" that the movies were officially over, but still. Not true to the book which I did not like. And that part, was really important.

Also, THAT WAS NOT HOW NAGINI DIED. Everyone was around when Neville cut off her head! And after he did, then Harry showed that he was alive. No, the snake did not turn into a puff of black smoke. Her head actually rolled around on the ground after Neville cut if off. Everyone should have seen his epicness.

While the kiss between Ron and Hermione was very cute, it was in the wrong moment. And without Harry as a witness.

7) Aberforth beckoning the trio inside the pub. Okay, this has nothing to do with the film, it's just a personal irritation of mine. The trio are running from the Death Eaters, someone whispers "Potter, in here!" and they just walk into the place?! For all they knew that could have been a Death Eater posing as a concerned citizen! It could have been better if Harry used 'lumos' to check who the stranger was, before walking into his house.


I thought the same thing! A sort of confused look was stuck on my face for a good 30 seconds when that happened. It did indeed seem like there was a lack of suspicion in that decision, considering they were running for their lives.

Nagini did not die in the great hall in the book. She died outside the great hall which is where Harry came back alive and then all of the good guys retreated into the great hall.

I've seen it 4 times...


1) snape's death is soooo violent! :'(

2) Harry and Voldemort's last battle... NO ONE is there to watch it... and when it's over... no one is like 'yay! you defeated him!"

3) that ugly looking thing under the bench at kings cross station ..

4) Voldemort just.... crumbled away... not like in the book.

5) harry should have fixed his own wand like he did in the book..

The most disappointing thing was definitely the final battle and how it wasn't in front of everyone and how there was not nearly enough excitement/congratulation afterwards. I was hoping for some epic moment where the crowd just roars and descends on Harry with congrats. Oh well. And I think when Voldy's wand flew up the green flash should have still been coming out when Harry caught it to point it back. And yeah the way Voldy and Bellatrix kind of exploded into flakes was just weird.

I thought the same thing! A sort of confused look was stuck on my face for a good 30 seconds when that happened. It did indeed seem like there was a lack of suspicion in that decision, considering they were running for their lives.

Well, I put that down as to "not much choice, is there?" The thing I thought was a bit weird was that when they came to the locked gate, Hermione didn't take out her wand and try Alohamora or something. Instead, she just stood there, stymied.

Well, I put that down as to "not much choice, is there?" The thing I thought was a bit weird was that when they came to the locked gate, Hermione didn't take out her wand and try Alohamora or something. Instead, she just stood there, stymied.

Yes that, and in the boathouse she just stood there instead of conjuring a vial for Snape's tears. It seems DH2 movie Hermione occasionally forgets she's a witch.:huh:

It would have been better if instead of Bill and Fleur, Tonks and Lupin were at the cottage. It would have made their deaths more significant to the viewer.

I wish in the end scene, when Harry and his son Albus are talking, that Harry completed the sentence from the book. In the movie he explains to his son that the sorting hat puts into account your choice of house. In the book he not only tells him this but tells him "something he's never told his other children" that the sorting hat let HIM choose. Instead of just saying, "Really." he should have said, "Really. It did for me."

Just a thought.

I also wished they would have put glasses on the younger James. And the little girl who plays Lily is adorable but her eyes are too dark when its so important in the story that Harry has her green eyes.:hmm:

It would have been better if instead of Bill and Fleur, Tonks and Lupin were at the cottage. It would have made their deaths more significant to the viewer.

But then Dobby wouldn't have been buried at Shell Cottage. And I think there would have been a huge uproar if Dobby's death/burial had been messed up! (Although I do think the actor who plays Bill is a bit awkward for one of Ron's "cool older brothers")

A small thing that bothered me a little is the age make-up in the epilogue. Apart from being pretty bad quality it was also very uneven. They were pretty unkind to guys, particuarly Ron and Draco, who not only look way older than mid-30s but also really "wasted" (like they're sick, or alcoholics or something). Hermione and Ginny on the other hand simply got a more "adult" styiling, but no wrinkles or extra weight (even though they've both given birth). Not a huge issue, obviously, but it kinda bugs me. :shrug:

I didn't like that Bellatrix and Nagini transform into ashes when they die. I can't remember what happens in the books (I need a re-read), I can understand that maybe Nagini did that because she is an horcrux but why Bellatrix? Did the producers like the effect too much?

FRED'S NON-DEATH. Or any other person's death in any of the films for that matter. But yeah, Fred's Tonks' & Lupin's.

Gah!

One thing that really bothered me was Harry - Voldy jump from the cliff and the face merging thing. That was too much Hollywood and really creepy, why would Harry touch Voldemort?
Extended final duel - fine, I can live with that but not that jump. I can even understand why they made Voldemort explode into pieces, he was so inhuman.
The curse that Molly used on Bellatrix turned her into stone, she went rigid. And then Molly blasted that stone into pieces. That's how I saw it.

There were other minor things that bothered me and I wish they made the movie 20 mins longer and explained: Dumbledore's backstory, the fact why Harry didn't die in Forest, show Harry repair his phoenix wand; and include bit of Snape's worst memory in TPT.

A small thing that bothered me a little is the age make-up in the epilogue. Apart from being pretty bad quality it was also very uneven. They were pretty unkind to guys, particuarly Ron and Draco, who not only look way older than mid-30s but also really "wasted" (like they're sick, or alcoholics or something). Hermione and Ginny on the other hand simply got a more "adult" styiling, but no wrinkles or extra weight (even though they've both given birth). Not a huge issue, obviously, but it kinda bugs me. :shrug:

This was a re-do except for Draco. The original makeup was dreadful; everyone looked like they were approaching 50 instead of 40. A lot of the fans disliked the leaked photos, and JKR didn't like them either. Hers was the opinion that counted so the epilogue was re-shot. The director probably wasn't satisfied too!!

It's possible for Hermione and Ginevra to still be slim at 38; not every woman gains weight after having babies.

Might have already been said, but I really didn't like Snape's memory scene. It all was really fast and garbled and didn't really show us much. If you didn't read the book, all you see is apparently Snape knew Lily somewhat before school, then is just sort of awkwardly around her a bit during Hogwarts, apparently loved her and she died. There is no substance that lets us know that Snape and Lily were actually friends, and it just sort of cheapens Snape's character.

I also, like so many else, feel that they cheated Neville out of his kill. Nagini's death was just plain anticlimactic.

Also, when Voldemort screams Avada Kadavra to kill Harry.... What? Did he have a yawn stuck in his throat, in the middle of a sneeze whilst trying to hack up the frog in there? I had the hardest time keeping my laughter in check at that scene.

Lastly, Hagrid. Oh, the poor loveable half-giant gets maybe two-three lines in the entire movie, which mainly consist of him yelling something like, "Harry? Why are you here? No!" and "Good job and Good bye." This is the last movie with him! I just didn't like how they shafted him and he got so little screen time... Harry started his adventure with Hagrid, it should have ended with something more.

After reading some pages, I came to conclusion that probably Lavender Brown really died. I remember when Sirius died, everyone was sure he would come back, because it's weird that someone dies after falling through a veil... so in the movies he received an avada kedavra + veil combo, I think Rowling told them to do it so the rumours about Sirius' comeback would stop. We don't know what happens to Lavender in the book, and in the movie we see Trelawney and Parvati covering her with a blanket, why from all dead people scenes that appear in the book do they show that?. Maybe Rowling wanted to clarify that point... (RIP Lavender :()

And about the rest, if it wasn't for Snape's violent death (it even hurt me lol) I'd think they only show dead people 0.5 seconds because there are kids watching. So I don't know...

After reading some pages, I came to conclusion that probably Lavender Brown really died. I remember when Sirius died, everyone was sure he would come back, because it's weird that someone dies after falling through a veil... so in the movies he received an avada kedavra + veil combo, I think Rowling told them to do it so the rumours about Sirius' comeback would stop. We don't know what happens to Lavender in the book, and in the movie we see Trelawney and Parvati covering her with a blanket, why from all dead people scenes that appear in the book do they show that?. Maybe Rowling wanted to clarify that point... (RIP Lavender )

I think they killed off Lavender to replace Colin. Lavender was fresher in people's minds and looks the same as she did in HBP - I doubt even hardcore fans would recognize Colin 10 years later, let alone regular people who see the movie.

I've heard JKR confirmed that Lavender lived in the book, but I haven't found the quote anywhere :hmm:

Oh of course, I didn't think of that. I really hope she didn't die. It was so sad moment :(

I thought the girls makeup in the Epilogue looked good. There faces were a little saggy and they had on pudgy suits. I thought it was different, but not too different which was about right. Like they said you still look like yourself when you are 37.

I think the clothes were probably the most off thing because you don't start dressing like a mom it is more that your generations clothes become mom clothes.

Wasn't this in the book, though? I don't have it next to me but I'm positive JKR wrote something about Greyback hunched over her 'feebly stirring body'.

Yeah, but Hermione(i think?) knocked him off before he did anything. She didn't die in the book, just was injured/unconscious.

But then Dobby wouldn't have been buried at Shell Cottage. And I think there would have been a huge uproar if Dobby's death/burial had been messed up! (Although I do think the actor who plays Bill is a bit awkward for one of Ron's "cool older brothers")

What was suggested was not to change the location of the house, but the owners of it. Deviating from the book in order to remove unnecessary characters and focus on those that matters is IMHO one of the things that distinguishes a good adaptation from an excellent one. Indeed, I don't think DH part 2 is an excellent adaptation.

Well first of all it ended...:(
And yeah when Lavender was attacked I was like "okay that did not just happen"
But i looked it up on PotterWiki and it said she was just attacked and she was not dead.
And when Snape died I could not watch...it was soooooo sad.

Well first of all it ended...:(
And yeah when Lavender was attacked I was like "okay that did not just happen"
But i looked it up on PotterWiki and it said she was just attacked and she was not dead.


She lived in the book, but died in the film. They show Trelwaney pulling the sheet over her body.

This bothered me - I really wanted her to live, and would have loved to see Trelawney dropping a crystal ball or two.

Cho. She was a year ahead of Harry (as said in either The Prisoner of Azkaban or The Goblet of Fire); and it would have been Harry's seventh and final year of Hogwarts. She should have graduated from Hogwarts, and if I remember correctly, she wasn't in the book because she did indeed graduate. So why was she in the movie? The only thing I can think of is a) it was a mistake b) it would cause more tension (like when Harry's eyes met her's) no matter if she was supposed to have graduated or not; or c) since all examinations were postponed the previous year, it was decided in the movie that she returned to take her N.E.W.T.S.

I agree that it would have been interesting to have Tonks and Lupin be the ones at Shell Cottage instead of Bill and Fleur. Though i liked them bringing back old characters like Fleur though they in the end barely used all of the characters they brought back.

It wasn't so much that Potter and Voldemort dove off a cliff but the action while flying was, imo, very poorly done, lame and distracting.

Cho. She was a year ahead of Harry (as said in either The Prisoner of Azkaban or The Goblet of Fire); and it would have been Harry's seventh and final year of Hogwarts. She should have graduated from Hogwarts, and if I remember correctly, she wasn't in the book because she did indeed graduate. So why was she in the movie? The only thing I can think of is a) it was a mistake b) it would cause more tension (like when Harry's eyes met her's) no matter if she was supposed to have graduated or not; or c) since all examinations were postponed the previous year, it was decided in the movie that she returned to take her N.E.W.T.S.

Cho was in the book.

she wasn't in the book
omg YES SHE WAS!!!! CHO WAS IN THE BOOK! She had come to Hogwarts due to a DA message. She comes through the Portrait door to the Room Of Requirement at the same time most of the other Order members show up i believe. Remember, she says to Harry that she will accompany him to the Ravenclaw Commonroom and Ginny gets all "oh hell naw" about it? Yeah shes there.

But even if Cho was still at school in the movie, I don't think it would necessarily qualify as a mistake, because I don't think it was ever said in the movie-verse that she was older than Harry. If I recall, in the movies she was always treated as being in the same year, if it was paid attention to at all.

But even if Cho was still at school in the movie, I don't think it would necessarily qualify as a mistake, because I don't think it was ever said in the movie-verse that she was older than Harry. If I recall, in the movies she was always treated as being in the same year, if it was paid attention to at all.

You're right, they treated her as if she was in the same year. Hermione mentions that she's "frightened of failing her O.W.L.s" in OotP during the "emotional range of a teaspoon" scene.

Hermione saying "I'll go with you" while Ron just stands and says nothing. They should have both said they'll go with Harry. But no, in the movies only Hermione is allowed to be Harry's best friend.

Looks like Kloves once again screwed over the equality the trio was meant to have.

I didn't like the fact that Harry was all like "what about your son Lupin?" during the ghost scene. In the movies they never really put in the time to mention the baby. (or really his relationship with Tonks) In the HBP, Tonks says something about "the good news" but then she gets interupted

But even if Cho was still at school in the movie, I don't think it would necessarily qualify as a mistake, because I don't think it was ever said in the movie-verse that she was older than Harry. If I recall, in the movies she was always treated as being in the same year, if it was paid attention to at all.That's what I was trying to say. She was just there, brought into the movie for no other purpose than to contradict Luna and meet eyes with Harry.

Forgive me if I was mistaken saying she wasn't in the book; I'm in the process of rereading it now for the umpteenth time. But I haven't read it in a while, so I probably forgot if she was in it or not.

I'm positive she was a year ahead of Harry, no questions asked. The emotional range of a teaspoon, well, I'm not sure. I know she wasn't in Harry's year, because I know she wasn't taking her O.W.L.s at the same time. Ugh, I'm confused. And I just read The Order of the Phoenix a few days ago, too. Let me do some research.

I think that Hedwig_girl is right; she was treated like she was in the same year, though I'm nearly positive she was a year ahead. If the others are correct, she returned on a D.A. mission. (Though I find that unlikely because she didn't want anything to do with Harry or the D.A. after Marietta and the argument Harry and her had, so...)

That's what I was trying to say. She was just there, brought into the movie for no other purpose than to contradict Luna and meet eyes with Harry.



She was there as a familiar face for the audience, who have zero interest in minor Potterverse details.

The two things that bothered me the most:

1. Lily's eyes being brown. It was just mentioned by Snape that Harry had his mother's eyes, plus it's something we have heard through the entire series. Then they zoom in on this little girl's clearly brown eyes. It was just one of those little things that irked me.

2. Harry suddenly having Sirius' mirror, without it ever being mentioned before. It just seemed random, I'm sure non-book readers must have been confused as to what that mirror really was.

Cho was there in the book in the Room of Requirements. She came in with everyone else when they arrived through the portrait. She was a year ahead of the trio in the book.

In the filmverse she is the same year as the trio because of the mention of her worrying about her Owls in OotP the film. It is a difference between the book and the film, but i don't think it is really that big of a deal. It doesn't change anything at all about the character or the story.

Lack of Teddy and Neville in the epilogue! They were the only things I liked about the epilogue in the first place!

Dunno why but Hermione and Ron being there when Snape snuffed it kind of bothered me a bit. It just seemed like it should have been a personal moment between Snape and Harry.

Lack of Teddy and Neville in the epilogue! They were the only things I liked about the epilogue in the first place!
In a way, I am relieved Teddy was not in the epilogue. His existence in the films was close to nonexistent. Unlike the book, we have no mention of his birth, no celebration, and no photographs. Instead, all we hear is a quick mention of Lupin's son in The Forest Again. I found this an aggravating and meaningless passage in the film, as opposed to the character that was actually developed in the book. If Teddy appeared in the epilogue, I think it would have been confusing and distracting. Referencing Neville as Herbology teacher would simply distract the viewer, too, I think. Though I do think the epilogue lacked substance with the child characters. I was looking forward to seeing James on screen, but he was a negligible part of that scene.
Dunno why but Hermione and Ron being there when Snape snuffed it kind of bothered me a bit. It just seemed like it should have been a personal moment between Snape and Harry.
But this is true in the book as well. Both Ron and Hermione are with Harry as Harry goes towards Snape's dying body. Hermione is the one that produces a vial for Snape's memories with a wave of her wand.

I think one of the magical parts of that scene, as it is written, is that we almost forget about Ron and Hermione's presence when Harry and Snape are so close. But I also felt this exclusivity in the film. As Snape shed his memories in tears and expressed his dying words, only Snape and Harry mattered. I think the film did an excellent job of capturing the sincerity of that moment.

But this is true in the book as well. Both Ron and Hermione are with Harry as Harry goes towards Snape's dying body. Hermione is the one that produces a vial for Snape's memories with a wave of her wand.

I think one of the magical parts of that scene, as it is written, is that we almost forget about Ron and Hermione's presence when Harry and Snape are so close. But I also felt this exclusivity in the film. As Snape shed his memories in tears and expressed his dying words, only Snape and Harry mattered. I think the film did an excellent job of capturing the sincerity of that moment.

Oh really? i always remember it being just harry for some reason. I haven't read the book in ages, so my memory must be pretty bad. I think i need to start reading them again.

1. Lily's eyes being brown. It was just mentioned by Snape that Harry had his mother's eyes, plus it's something we have heard through the entire series. Then they zoom in on this little girl's clearly brown eyes. It was just one of those little things that irked me.


I agree. And this bugged me as well. I mean, it wasn't one of those deals where only the people that had read the books would have noticed (as was the case with the Harry/Voldemort fight scene, the location of Snape's death, Nagini, etc); casual movie goers would have noticed as well. Snape had just told Harry 10 minutes before this that he had his mothers eyes, yet when they actually show Lily, she has brown eyes, not blue.

Aside from that though, I was a little put-off by the kissing scene between Ron and Hermione in the Chamber. I've read all the books, and I know full well that Ron marries Hermione in the end. But having also watched all the films, where in most of them the two characters act like siblings (with all the bickering, etc), the kiss kinda... disturbed me a little bit. I know that a lot of people liked the kiss, but this is just my view of it.

Could they really not be bothered to do an extra 5-10 seconds worth of CGI to show Kreacher and the other house elves entering the battle. House elves are way cooler than stone knights.

Okay, Cho was in the seventh book. I read the part with her. But why was she back? 99.9% sure she was a year ahead of Harry.

Okay, Cho was in the seventh book. I read the part with her. But why was she back? 99.9% sure she was a year ahead of Harry.

She was a year of Harry in the books. However, she only came back to Hogwarts when Neville summoned the old crowd from Dumbledore's Army using those ingenious galleons Hermione charmed.

Hermione saying "I'll go with you" while Ron just stands and says nothing. They should have both said they'll go with Harry. But no, in the movies only Hermione is allowed to be Harry's best friend.

Looks like Kloves once again screwed over the equality the trio was meant to have.

This. So much.
Trio love is ALWAYS missed out in the movies. It's saddening. D<

This. So much.
Trio love is ALWAYS missed out in the movies. It's saddening. D<

Yep I agree, that really struck me when Ron just stands there when Hermione tells Harry she'll go with him.
I imagined Ron and Hermione would both be crying-ish and Hermione crying into Ron's shoulder while he comforts her.
Something around those lines...

Okay, Cho was in the seventh book. I read the part with her. But why was she back? 99.9% sure she was a year ahead of Harry.

Cho was a year ahead in the books, but she is the same year as the trio in the films. It is a difference and really not that big of a deal i think.

Quite a few things bothered me about this film. Before seeing Deathly Hallows part 2, I watched the B-roll footage that Warner Bros released. Normally these things don't affect my viewings of the film at all, but in this case it was a huge mistake (and I know, it's my fault for watching them anyway). This will be a long personal rant, so I apologise!

Voldemort's "victory" speech and Neville's stand-up - this is my main gripe beacause:

1) It was such a chilling moment in the book and unfortunately I felt it was comical and cringe-worthy in the film. Yates and Fiennes probably wanted Voldemort to have a child-like sadistic happy feeling because he thought he'd finally killed Harry once and for all, but in the end Voldemort felt like a Disney villain (that laugh was just ugh) - the only chilling lines from him was "And now is the time to declare yourself!" and "Come forward and join us or die!" A real shame since Ralph Fiennes is a fantastic actor and I love his portrayal of Voldemort.

2) The hug! That was totally out of character! Ok it probably worked brilliantly on the script because it empathises that Voldemort knows nothing of love, doesn't have a clue how to give a hug and to give the Hogwarts defenders false ideas that his side was the right one. But it just did not work at all on screen. I couldn't help but cringe at it, while other people found it funny.

3) The fact that a lot of Voldemort's lines were cut. In the B-roll, there was this line:
So do not cry for that! [Harry] He's not worthy of your tears! None of you were ever in his heart! Not for one, single, solitary beat!
This line could've saved that scene. It was frightening and totally in Voldemort's character, lying about Harry's courage. It also made Neville's later line about "Harry's heart" make sense. There was also the fact that they cut Ron responsing with the word liar. This (like the book) showed that Ron was no longer afraid of Voldemort and had the courage stand up to him.

All in all this scene had massive potenial to be one of the best scenes in the film, but beacuse of the choices made, it sadly became one of the worst scenes in my honest opinion. Matthew Lewis was outstanding in this scene though.

Molly vs Bellatrix - Even Mrs Weasley's epic line could not save this scene for me. It was totally rushed and badly edited. And Bellatrix exploding? Ok I'll admit Voldemort and Nagini disintegrating were brilliant IMO, because the film makers had good enough reasons to make them disappear (Voldemort's body and soul being inhuman and mangled and Nagini being a horcrux) and the camera work was beautiful, but with Bellatrix it felt like they had made the movie purely for 3D effects.

The battle itself. Almost all the cast and crew said the battle was going to be "huge". Where was it? Ok I respect the fact that they were telling Harry's story but unlike the book where the battle was just in the background, the film could've easily shown more of the characters fighting. They could've shown more of the statues fighting the giants, they could've shown the teachers and students vs the Death Eaters, more of Bellatrix vs Molly and maybe have a scene where Seamus has trouble planting the charges on the bridge and the rest of Dumbledore's army has to defend him. I'm sure most of these scenes were filmed, but cut for stupid reasons.

Harry vs Voldemort. Ok I'll admit it. I liked the film version way more than the book. I liked the fact that Voldemort got physical with Harry, I liked the cinematography when they flew around the castle and I liked the fact their battle was more personal, but again too much was cut! I couldn't wait for the "Why do you live?" scene! It could've made a huge difference, but Yates cut that because Voldemort "would just kill Harry instead of talking with him." While Yates does have a point, I think it was a silly reason. What about the scene in Goblet of Fire where he "talks" to him when he's tied up. What about Order of the Phoenix where he tries to goad Harry into torturing Bellatrix? He's clearly "talked" to him there, not tried to kill him straight away. There was also another cut scene in the B-Rolls where Voldemort was taunting Harry, and it wouldn't have hurt to have Harry to reveal Snape's true loyalties would it? Or to ask for Riddle to feel remorse? As I said, I liked the final battle, but it felt like Yates and Day had just stitched some random scenes together, I think it would've been a lot more epic if it had the scenes mentioned above.

My last but minor gripe is Harry not mending his wand at the end.

Also, why are so many non reader fans coming away from the film saying Snape is Harry's real father? Have I missed something? Because I thought The Prince's Tale did a splendid job explaining Snape's love for Lily and the previous films have made it clear that James IS Harry's father.

Snape had just told Harry 10 minutes before this that he had his mothers eyes, yet when they actually show Lily, she has brown eyes, not blue.


The actress playing Lily Potter has brown eyes. Daniel Radcliffe has blue eyes. Lily Potter and Harry Potter have green eyes.

The movies have a challenge keeping it straight. Very annoying, since Harry's eyes are mentioned so much!

When did Hermione learn to fly a broom so well.She would have made a dam good quiditch player. lol

What really bothered me was how cheerful everyone was after the war/fight was over in DH2.

The only thing i was bugged about: no cheering after harry defeated voldemort. everything else was a perfectly acceptable change IMO, except that one. Cho smiles at harry, but ginny just looked dead...

One thing that was a little off-putting to me was Harry's reaction when first seeing Ginny. That blank, tired expression, completely void of any emotion. Don't know what they were trying to say with that.

One thing that was a little off-putting to me was Harry's reaction when first seeing Ginny. That blank, tired expression, completely void of any emotion. Don't know what they were trying to say with that.

Harry and Ginny never worked for me in the films, partly due to their lack of chemistry on screen. Harry literally looked petrified here.

Exactly. To me, that face looked like he was thinking "Man, I just realized I've been doing this for the last ten years. And yes, I actually tend to get tired of it".

They haven't exactly been portrayed in the most convincing way by the filmmakers either. The only conversation that was ever written for them in the DH1 script was cut.

And aside from that kiss in DH2, which was actually Daniel Radcliffe's idea, there really wasn't that much indication that they even fancied each other.