Who is most likely to betray Harry in the end?

I'm not saying it definitely will happen, but it seems very likely that by the end of book seven, somebody who Harry has known for years, and who he considered something of a friend, will stab Harry in the back.

There is a bit of foreshadowing for this. In book three, when Ron read's Harry's tealeaves, he predicts that somebody who Harry considers a friend will end up stabbing him in the back. Now granted, many people on these boards consider that part of the "prophecy" fufilled when Ron sort of abandoned Harry during Goblet of Fire. However, that wasn't a true betrayal. Ron let Harry down, yes, but its not like he went to Dumbledore and said that Harry put his name in the cup. That would be a true bit of backstabbing.

So, who is most likely to turn out to be a baddie?

Its not going to be Ron or Hermione, or any of the Weasleys. Harry has never considered Percy a friend, and I would be absolutely stunned if any of the Weasleys turned out to be bad.

Neville...I would say that he would be a good possiblity, if it wasn't for the little matter of his Mum and Dad being driven to insanity by three death eaters.

It could be Colin. He strikes me as sort of Peter Pettigrew-ish.

It could be Tonks. I mean, Nymphadora Tonks is really cool, but she is a Black, AND a Metamorphmagi. I'm inclined to distrust somebody who can change their appearance at will. I mean, she could disguise herself to look like Harry or Dumbledore for that matter. Not a pleasant thought, but a real possiblity.

I can't think of many others, but then that's why I started this thread. So I could throw my ideas out to other people who know as much about HP as me, and get their ideas.

I don't think that any of the major characters will turn out to betray Harry or the Order of the Phoenix, however some of the more minor members of the Order could be a little shady, such as Mudangus (sp ??) or Kingsley.

I don't think that any of the hextet will betray Harry. For one thing, they all fought together and nearly died, that creates a bond. I think that it will probably be a minor character. maybe Tonks? who knows?

Well, Harry kind of was stabbed in the back in the fourth book by the imposter Moody. Crouch, who was posing as Moody, pretended to be his friend only to try and kill him later on.

If i had to choose who would stab Harry in the back, I would definitely go with Zacharias Smith. When we first met him in the Hog's Head, I had a bad feeling about him...just a gut feeling. He only showed up to hear what Harry had to say about Voldemort coming back, which was not the point of the meeting. Also, he questioned whether or not Harry really did all those things he said he did throughout the years. To me, he seems a bit shady. I don't know whether or not to trust him with my life. To me, he seems the type that would stab someone in the back if it was to save his own, even if he isnt in Slytherin. Tell me what you guys think about all this!

Hmmmm, there are mnay minor characters who could turn out to be a backstabber...I will also have to go with Tonks, Kinglsey or the maybe, dare i say, Snape...

Maybe Seamus?

He was pretty keen to not believe Harry and label him crazy, i know a lot of people did, but Seamus just strikes me as a bit gullible. Maybe he'll be manipulated by someone into betraying Harry?

Does it have to be a friend? It could be an enemy who backstabs Harry and the consequences could be just as devastating. I'm thinking about someone like Dudley or Draco Malfoy.

It would certainly be heart-wrenching to see a friend of Harry's betray him. If I had to suggest a name, for the purposes of the story and the purposes of character development, I would suggest Ron Weasley. However, I can't see why he would deliberately betray Harry. The only way that I can see this happen is if he gets tricked into it by someone he trusts. Maybe a member of the Order who is secretly a spy for Voldemort?

Then again, it could be Hermione. She could also fall into the trap of being tricked by someone she trust. As a result, she betrays Harry in some way. I seriously cannot see her doing such a thing on purpose. I just can see any motives. She has too strong of a sense of justice and goodness. Having said that, I doubt we'll see her do anything of this sort after OOTP. In OOTP, she even had the sense to be wary of someone like Sirius Black. I guess I just shot my own theory to ...

Another likely candidate in my mind is a Gryffindor student in Harry's year. This would not have as strong an impact, though, compared to a "Ron" betrayal.

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I think the big surprise is gonna be Ginny. She has something from Tom Riddle in her, and this power can rise in any moment (book 6 or 7). She won´t want to be bad, but she is very young to fight against the Voldy´s power. Everybody is thinking about Parcey been a Death Eater, and JKR is going to surprise us with the little Weasley girl.

Hagrid

Hagrid and Ginny have both already accidently slightly betrayed Harry. Hagrid told Quirrell how to get past Fluffy and Ginny opened the Chamber of Secrets. Even though neither of them did it on purpose, I don't think it will happen again.

I like the idea of Ginny being slightly evil, but not on purpose, as babilonia said, but because she will again be slightly possessed by Voldemort.

I don't think it would be Hagrid because as we learned in the 2nd book, the reason Hagrid was expelled was because Tom Riddle framed him. HE already hated Voldemort, so why would he try and help him? And all throughout the books, Hagird is always saying "Great man, he is , Dumbledore" which means he is VERY loyal to him. And if DD cares that much about Harry, then so does Hagrid. And as we saw in OotP, Hagrid is very strong against curses because of his giant blood so i think it would be really hard for a DE to put the Imperius Curse on him.

I dont see anyone betraying Harry.. Mabye ron some how.. Jelously.. I dont know.. Ihope no one betrays Harry! But it might Happen.. I also think that mabye some one will betray him but be under the Imperius curse.. So they went doing it inttentionally...

Thinking of DD's words on there being something worse than death, I would have to say that being backstabbed is gotta to be up there in the list. And this would be even more true if it was done by somebody you've grown fond of, rather than a minor character.

I'm thinking that maybe Neville. He as well as Harry have lost their parents to Voldemort, and I would imagine that Neville's most desperate desire would be to get them back. Since they are not dead, Voldemort could use this to trick Neville into betraying Harry. This thought came to me after reading the part were Neville expelled Harry's wand when he wasn't looking.

Somehow, I just have a gut feeling that Ginny will not betray Harry. She just seems like a good-nature, quirky character, who has come to grips with the fact she was controlled by Voldemort and will not let it happen again. I think, however, that perhaps a love interest in the future could be the one to betray Harry. Perhaps a girl seduces him and he thinks he falls in love with her, only that she ends up breaking up with him, crushing his spirits, and then betraying him to Voldemort, even worse. Now this isn't too likely, but then again, anything is possible.

I think Harry already had his back stabbing in GOF. But if there is to be another...Luna, perhaps? I like her and all, but of all the characters, she is just odd. Her motives and purpose are unknown.

Well, mainly her motives and purposes I believe are directly results of how she has always been treated and the death of her mother. When kids' parents die, sometimes they become distant and forlorn and that is not how most people at Hogwarts act. She has always been teased by everyone and now her actions reflect on that, she has simply continued being distant from everyone because no one has made friends with her.

My best guess, is that if someone is to betray Harry, it will be Cho. Attraction would be an easy target for Voldemort to take advantage of.

I too think Harry already recieved his back-stabbing in GoF. If not the Ron-espisode then it was the Mad-Eye. Harry was seriously in shock when he found out, he couldn't believe it. Straight chipped with the poisoned tip-Word. <that means, yeah, Moody backstabbed 'im.> :lol:

But if I were to choose another to betray Harry, whom he considers a friend, it would be one of the following: *Ack! The return of the list menace!* :)

-Ron: Why? B/C of what I construe to be Ron's continuing diminishing confidence in Harry's mental and emotional stability. Maybe the one time Ron speaks up it's to a person on the Wrong side in a deconstructive manner to HP cause.
But in my own rebuttle: Who would Ron betray Harry to? He hates Draco, and can't stand Percy or his kind. So I don't really think it'll be Ron.

-Percy: Stupid Git. Already made an -effing arse of himself. Perhaps his pride will force him to take even more drastic measures to save his face, if the opportunity ever "seems" to present itself.

-Neville: What if Neville was weak to the effects of the Imperious Curse or simply bowed to the requests of a torturer of the Crustacious Curse.

Rebuttle: I think Neville has much to prove and family to revenge. I don't think he'll betray Harry but kick some DE butt. :)

-Mark Evans( I know, it is only a theory that he's even going to Hogwarts, least to say he's Harry's relative, I know. But if I gotta choose...)

(I don't think Mark, if a new Hogwarts student and relative of Harry's would betray Harry. But I don't think their relationship will be all pleasantries. I personally think Mark will be in Slytherin and maybe he will be the first to start building a bridge between Slytherin and the other Houses.) :D

Have a good one :)

Perdita: Its not a backstabbing unless somebody who you trust betrays you.

I'm pretty sure that someone will betray Harry in the seventh book, it just a matter of "WHO"...
I'm leaning more towards the idea of Ginny who will betray Harry...but not to her knowledge - since she had that connection with Tom/Voldemort in COS - I think the reason why there was so much character development on Ginny's character in OOTP is that she will PLAY a MAJOR part in the series...likewise with Neville and Luna...

The betrayal of Harry Potter can go any way....JRK can go a number of ways -

1. Repeat of the past - - Harry, represents his Dad, Hermione, represents Harry's Mum, Lily, and of course Ron, is Sirius...someone of course will be Wormtail - but the question is WHO...

2. Ron could also betray Harry - in GoF, Ron was already starting to show some jealousy on his part -Harry always being the centre of attraction...Ron already has to live in the shadow of his brothers, why does he have to be in the shadow of the famous Harry Potter...Maybe Ron becomes Harry's Secret-Keeper and he hands Harry over to Voldemort...

Alot of possiblities...but which one...??????

i cant beleive so many people think its going to happen! im not thinking 'backstabbing' but im thinking maybe on the lines of ambushing or some harsh trickery.. :shrug: we'll see.. im not completely shutting the idea out though, mentioned before, someone might go behind HP's back without them knowing how bad it really is..

Well, I don't think that Ginny will be the one to betray Harry. She has come to terms with the fact that she was possessed by Voldemort, though I think this will still be important in the future for a different reason. Harry still hasn't mastered Occlumency yet and Ginny is the only one he knows that has been possessed by Voldemort and until Harry has been mastered Occlumency, he might have to rely on Ginny to help him bear through this.

Well, going along with the theory that Book 7 is going to echo book 1, my guess about the ultimate betrayal is that it must be someone who seems to be a great ally, and who has backed Harry on superficial grounds (for example, "Moody" turning Malfoy into a ferret for being cruel to Harry) several times. And that person would be-drumroll please--
Minerva McGonagal.
She's the one that got Harry started on the war with Slytherin, conveiniently mentioning that she an Snape bicker about the outcome of the house cup. Remember how the Sorting Hat said that a Hogwarts divided would fall? She also overlooked the incidents with the Remembrall, the Anglia, and Umbridge's detentions. She even gave Harry the Nimbus Two Thousand. In fact, for all her strict removals of points, she seems to let Harry get away with whatever he does. She is also never mentioned with anything on that shows her forearms...

Of course, she was also shown in the Foe-Glass for Crouch Jr. She may just want Harry at Hogwarts for her own devices. Example: remember how Scabbers bit Goyle? We all thought that he was a good rat after that. But maybe those disguises are hiding something far more treacherous....

Simply food for thought.

Dumbledore isn't an idiot, obviously. He wouldn't put Professor McGonagall in the position of Deputy Headmistress if he thought that she would betray Harry. Its really as simple as that.

I've been on an anagram kick lately and I tried 'Ronald Weasley'. Now, I'm not saying this could determine anything at all. I simply found it interesting that one of his anagrams was 'Now erased ally'. I've really never considered who, if anyone, would backstab Harry. If it were Ron, though, considering the anagram, that would be creepy.

Whoa whoa...that is creepy. I have had a theory for a while now we may see another Ron fallout. Because of it Ron may do something while in a mood that puts Harry in danger, and he dies redeeming himself. That anagram fits into that theory in a very scary way.

Kristus Vesanus: He hired Crouch Jr. as Moody, who then resurected the Dark Lord and tried to kill Harry. I'm not saying he's an idiot, but he can be duped. And by the way I know it's a wild, crazy theory, but she fits the villain-as-friend profile, doesn't she?

****. I think maybe Snape, I mean sure he isn't Harry's best buddy nor fan but it's not as though he has tried to kill him. Snape saved his life in order to pay back James for saving his (I mean, he didn't have to) and also asked by Dumbledore to teach Harry that occulemcy (sp?) stuff, sure he stopped but if I found Harry snooping around my worst memory I'd be pretty ******, even worse for Snape, it was Harry's father who tormenting him. I guess it could come down to Harry or Lord Voldermort.

I'm not saying anything is going to happen Snape fans, just a guess!

Ok, now I know your all gonna disagree with me on this, but I strongly believe that.... Albus Dumbledore will betray Harry. Most of you definitly think its gonna be someone Harry Trusts.. who else does he trust more than dumbledore? Theres lots of evidence to prove my theory.. only some of which I feel like typing here... For instance..
In book four we all caught that "Twinkle in Triumph" in dumbledores Eye when he learned that Voldemort can touch Harry.
Dumbledore always knows where Harry is and what hes doing. In the third book Dumbledore said that he, himself gave testimony that Sirius Black was the potters Secret keeper. So how did twelve years of thinking he was guilty suddenly turn into knowing he was innocent in like, ten minutes?

How does dumbledore know everything.. almost before it happens? I have a lot more reasons.. see my column (The All knowing Albus Dumbedore, by denise) at www.harrypotterfacts.com Im not doing an add or anything, Im just to lazy to type my reasons for thinking Dumbledore is evil here..

Cho-Harry had a crush on her for, what 2 years? A year and a half? I dont remember, but thats a long time for a 13/14/15 year old to have a crush on one person. He could easily be tricked by her.

Ron-Hes Harrys best friend, so of course Harry would trust him on anything. I think Ron will get so jealous of Harry, he might do something drastic.

Fred/George-I think that if they backstabbed him, it wouldnt really be on purpose. But they can be very carefree, and seem to stick their noses in places they dont belong a lot of times. Voldy could trick them

Neville-Just because he is so... (for lack of a better word) not-strong. I think it would be easy for Voldy to put an imperious curse on him.

Lupin-Now this one doesnt seem very likey at all. But his three best friends, the only people he hung out with as a kid, the people that made his transformations bearable, all three of them are gone. He might snap.

Snape-I think he might gain Harrys trust (I have no idea how) and then betray him. Like JK said, we need to keep our eyes on him.

Tonks-I have never liked her. I dont know why. For all we know, she is a DE, she just makes her dark mark go away in the presence of the OotP. I just dont like her.

Percy-That idiot. Well in a way he has backstabbed Harry. In the letter to Harry didnt he call him crazy or unstable or something? I can see Fudge going to Voldys side, and Percy right behind him, licking his footprints.

Luna-Shes different. I just dont think we have learned enough about her. I think shes probley innocent though.

Thats all I can think of for now... I know theres more, but its late, and I cant think at the moment!

Even in book 5 omebody has already betrayed Harry. Percy betrayed them. If you can call it betrayal. As for me it is a betrayal. Harry ha known Percy for 4 years shared a common room with him and all those stuff. And now he would shun him. I don't know if he would go back to their side now that Fudge has already seen Voldie back.

I can't see Ron, Hermione, Dumbledore, Neville, nor the Dursleys (too obvious) deliberately betraying Harry for any reason. After that, everyone fair game, including:

Dobby- He could still have ties to his former master.

Ginny- As pointed out before, Voldemort picked her out for a reason.

Snape- When Dumbledore says over and over again that he gives Snape his fullest confidence, watch out.

Cho- She is a part of Dumbledore Army, but she has mentioned her parents objection to the group (actually, her parents don't like Dumbledore), her friend Marietta betrayed the army, who knows what ax she may grind with Harry in the future.

Luna- She's so new, anything can happen. Her confession of seeing her mother dead seemed believable, but she could be lying (implying she may have killed someone before, which is why she saw thestrals--well, it is possible).

Ginny- As pointed out before, Voldemort picked her out for a reason.

But Voldemort didnt pick her out, Mr. Malfoy picked her out, hes the one that gave her the diary. Voldemort had nothing to do with who got it.

But Voldemort didnt pick her out, Mr. Malfoy picked her out, hes the one that gave her the diary. Voldemort had nothing to do with who got it.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I've heard the phrase "but Voldemort picked her" so many times, yet, I too was always under the impression that Mr. Malfoy picked Ginny, not Voldemort. Malfoy hadn't any contact from Voldemort and didn't put the diary in Ginny's pot on Voldemort's orders but b/C of his own deviousness. :)

I think the Albus Dumbledore theory is intersting. I didn't read the article linked above, but when I first read an brief description about the Harry Potter series ages ago, I thought it was the headmaster who was trying to kill Harry. I was apalled. But then later I took it I had read the description wrong. Now after having the read the series, who knows.

I personally think Dumbledore's really trustworthy, but he has his own reasons for what he does, and his own plans. He's really mysterious and his reactions to some things can be taken in different ways. Before he became emotionally attached to Harry what was his plans? How much does he know that he's not telling and why? La' sigh.
Personally I think Dumbledore would die before letting Harry die, but until we find out more, what'cha gonna do.?

:D Have a good one!

The reason I don't trust Tonks is the way she stared at Harry's scar the first time she met him. On second reading, it seemed even more creepy. Also, she pumps him for information about his vision of Mr. Weasley being attacked. When she found out that he wasn't seeing the future, but seeing it as it happened, she talked about how "useful" that could be. Of course, a vision of Sirius in trouble was "useful" in getting Harry to the ministry to take the prophecy, so that raised a flag for me. Also, in the fight at the Ministry of Magic, she was knocked down by Bella Lestrange, but not killed. I expected her to die, but she didn't. Bella is her aunt, remember, her mother's sister. Her ability to change her appearance could cause major trouble for Harry and his pals if she turned traitor.

Ron is also a possibility, just because he is needy of attention. But I think having success on the Quidditch field helped him in this last book. So I'm unsure if he would betray Harry.

Cho Chang raises alot of possibilities, though. She knows Harry very well and gave him his first kiss. All this crying she does makes her seem unstable. Remember what Snape said about "fools who wear their hearts on their sleeve"? It was her friend Marietta who squealed on the DA. And finally, Cho is so vain, which reminds me of Voldemort. Remember how she asks Harry if Cedric was thinking of her as he died? I thought that was such a self-centered thing to do. I think any death eater could get her to turn to the dark side with ease!

Hermione, Dumbledore and Hagrid would never betray Harry, in my opinion. Neither would Minerva McGonagall or old Snape, I don't think.

The dark side might try to blackmail the Weasleys by taking one or more of their children hostage - Mrs. Weasley sure was upset in the last book. I think she is very strong, usually, but any Mother couldn't stand the idea of her children being tortured. Would she choose Harry's safety over her own children? Let's hope she doesn't have to choose. :upset:

What the hell....if only there was a character named Judas....lol (Zacharias is close enough)

wow its back and forth here :) good thread so far..
at first i did find that Tonks issue creepy(the usefulness of his 'sight') and then mentioned before about her being so interested, i havent read it again but thats defenitly creepy, she's one to keep an eye out for!! im seriously thinking H, DD, Hagrid, McGonagall or Snape would never betray Harry, just doesnt seem like their personality..

I think that The trio will be the modern age mauders (sp?) Past Remus Present Hermione because they both are smart and were prefects and both have feelings for creature rights
Past James Present Harry because even though in the pensive James was a jerk, hes still Harrys dad. Both are good at magic and have enemies in Slytherin and both HATE the Dark Arts. Both good at Quidditch.
Past Sirius Present Ron? I know its odd but you got to admit hes not as stupid as he seems. their both trouble makers and stick by their best bud.
Past Peter Present Neville? Both in Gryffindor even though they don't appear to be brave. Both laugh at Pointless jokes and both Have a strong "dislike" for Snape. Neville is connected to Harry we all kno that (book 5) so mabey He'll be the new traitor.

I don't think any of the Hogwarts teachers would betray Harry. They're all powerful witches & wizards in their own right, so they're hard to threaten directly, don't seem to have any close family, so no leverage there and they've all been involved with the conflict for so long I don't think they could countenance switching sides.

I also can't see that any of Harry's close friends, Ron, Hermione, Neville etc. would give Harry up. Harry is incredibly loyal to his friends and inspires the same loyalty in return Basically if a death eater came up to any of the three mentioned and threatened "Give us Harry, or you'll be killed", I can see the response being along the lines of 'Well you'd better kill me then, because I'm not giving you Harry".

I believe that if anyone is going to betray Harry it will be someone to whom leverage can be applied, and as suggested by Silver Ink Pot a few posts back that kind of points at the Weasleys. Although I can't believe I'm saying this I think it could be Molly who'd betray Harry. I know she loves him like a son, but he isn't and that may count, especially if a family member had already suffrered an 'accident', and Molly had been left in no doubt that the next accident wil prove fatal.

Another evil trap that could be set for Harry would be to kidnap aunt Petunia. I know Harry can't stand her, but she is his mothers sister, so could Harry sit at Hogwarts while the DE's have Petunia, or would he feel honour bound to try and save her?

I think Hermione will be a traitor or mole in Hogwarts in book 6, but not on purpose. Death Eater are going to kidnap her parents and force Hermione to spy for them. She gives D.E. what little info she knows about the Orders. People in the Order are going to be picked out one by one, and they suspect a mole. Hermione is letters from D.E., but she tells Harry they are from her parents. In the end Harry gets a letter, saying Hermione has been kidnapped and to come alone. When he gets there, D.E. are holding Hermione's parents and Harry is forced to duel Hermione. He forced to knock Hermione out, he snaps and kick D.E. behind.

I can't belive no one has thought of Cho! She is probably upset and might even hate him at this point!!

Luna
will be the bane of Harry. I"ll put money on that!

Luna
will be the bane of Harry. I"ll put money on that!
I doubt Snape will betray him, simply because it wouldn't be in his own interests. He is no longer welcomed by Voldermort after deserting him, so I can't see him betraying the only people who might offer him protection (the order) just to get back at Harry.

There is NO WAY Ron would betray him, I don't know how anyone could think that after JK has painstakingly made it obvious over five books that Ron is not that type of person at all. He may have had his jealousies in GOF but in OOTP he is back to his normal self and it's Harry who seems angry and envious rather than Ron.

There is also no way DD would betray him. JKR might spring surprises on people, but when she builds up main characters she doesn't suddenly make them turn evil. If anyone was to betray him I'd say it would be someone newer, like Tonks or Mundungus.

I don't think Dumbledore will betray Harry, after all he had Harry in his arms when he was a baby, he could have easly tried to get rid of him there or put him in harms way. Why go to all the trouble to place him in a protective enviroment (notice I didn't say pleasent) and have others watch over him.

Ron and Hermione, just the thought of it gives me goosebumps.

McGonagall, I just don't see hard evidence to support this, her position in Hogwarts and her commanding personality lead me to belive she will have a bigger part in running the school if anything happened to DD.

Tonks, yeah that makes sense, why else would she think Harry's visions were useful, for her in what way. Mabybe she could gain some points with Voldie.

And I'm still sticking with Neville, something about him being weak just invites all kinds of ideas on how to use this against Harry.

I don't know if all of this "history will repeat itself" foreshadowing isn't just a red herring to distract the readers, but if it is not: Peter was one of James' best friends and he gave him away voluntarily. So I do not believe in someone being tricked to betray Harry or being put under Imperius because then, it is no betrayal.
It's breaking my heart because I like her so much, but from that point of view, it could well be Mc Gonagall. As much as most people thought Snape to be evil, everyone loves her. But no, personally I just don't want to believe.
But whoever suggested Tonks... that might very well be, for similar reasons. She's too easy, too superficially drawn, but on the other hand... her dad is a muggle, or am I mistaken? Would the DE even accept her help? (yeah, Voldemorts father is a muggle too, but nobody seems to know - at least Lucius and Bellatrix know about Tonks)
If it was a sympathy thing, I'd just suggest Tonks or Ron, don't like them both and wouldn't be too disappointed to see them change sides.

When I was re-reading the first chapter of OOTP, I was thinking about history repeating itself. Rowling carefully shows Harry as the outsider with Dudley and his gang as sort of the "Muggle Marauders", lol. Harry is sitting in a swing by himself wearing his scruffy clothes while popular, tough, Dudley goes by with his gang. Harry is thinking about Sirius, and trying to control his anger at Dudley, and when they go on by him without a fight, Harry thinks, 'There you go, Sirius." If Dudley and his gang are the Marauders, then Harry is clearly most like Snape of any character. Rowling has drawn this parallel before, when Dumbledore looks in the Pensieve, he sees Snape talking about his dark mark, then Harry's face appears.

You can't really compare the Marauders to Hermione, Ron, Harry, and Neville. For one thing, they don't usually bully people or start fights. If anyone is like Peter Pettigrew, it would be Colin Creevey, in my opinion. Neville is going to become a stronger force to reckon with when he gets his own wand, I think.

So what I think is that we need to figure out how Snape got his dark mark to begin with. Harry is certainly becoming more of a loner and more depressed. Is that what happened to Snape? Did he make some long-lasting mistakes that brought him under Voldemort's influence? I wonder sometimes if he admired Regulus Black, Sirius brother who was a Death Eater. Maybe they joined together against Sirius and James? It just popped into my head.

I'm sorry, I don't think my last post was as clear as I wanted it to be.

My point is that when we are looking at betrayers, you can think of people who betrayed Sirius, Lily, and James. But you have to realize that Harry is not James, which is a major theme of Order of the Phoenix. So maybe what Rowling is saying is that he is more like Snape, an outsider who feels like a Marked Man.

So who has betrayed Snape? Perhaps a relative? Perhaps a girl? Remember Bertha Jorkins and the whole thing from Dumbledore's Penseive in GOF? He sees Snape, then Harry, then silly Bertha who says she followed someone and saw them kissing a girl named Florence. It is unclear what all this means, except that it was all together in the Pensieve in GOF. Dumbledore is connecting all this in his memories, so I think it might be a clue for us.

I hope it isn't Luna, myself. I find her interesting and funny - a good contrast to Hermione.

RON - very possibly, i don't know why, sill thinking
LUNA - ther's something i don't like about this girl. She just appeared in book 5. When was that fight at ministry of magic, Harry noticed taht she seemd unhurt. There is something strange about that girl and i don't like it.

ron can't betray harry he just can't....

I don't think Ron or Tonks will be the traitor.

Ron might be jealous at Harry but that is something very different from betraying him to Voldemort. Don't forget that Ron was feeling very sorry after the 'fight' they had in GoF. He was still loyal to Harry.

And Tonks... well, the argument that she only got stunned, well so did Mad Eye and Kingsley, and she got into st Mungo's.
And for her saying that seeing things from
Voldemorts mind is usefull, well, he did save Arthur Weasley's life didn't he? It was usefull back then, and since it was the day after Voldemort had noticed that he and Harry shared that special link, how could she know about his plans to lure him in to the DoM?

i don't think any of the major characters would ever purposely betray harry...there probably will be a back-stabber somewhere along the way though...maybe seamus? zacharias smith? marietta could do it again? i suspect anyone in the DA who is not very close to harry, because they know more about him and are in a better position to backstab him than the other minor characters.

i really think wormtail will either backstab him or make up for his fathers death by sacrificing himself...just something about the "bond" between them when harry saved his life...

I totally agree with whoever said that Harry is more like Snape than any other person of his parents' generation. So if we are thinking about history repeating itself, then we should look at people who betrayed Snape, not people who betrayed the Marauders. Personally I don't think there will be any repeat of history. I think it will be Snape. JKR first presented him as a bad guy and then has spent the rest of the series trying to shift our opinion on him. I think it would be a great surprise and a great plot device if he turns out to be bad after all.

I do not understand why there have been so many posts about Neville. "Neville is weak, Neville could be the next Wormtail" You can only say that if you totally discount everything that Neville did in the fifth book. He improved so drastically in the DA meetings and he stuck by Harry all the way through the department of mysteries. I don't think Neville would ever join the people who tortured his parents into insanity. It just does not make sense to my mind

It can't be a Hogwarts student that stabs Harry in the back, how could a student have contact with Voldemort? It won't be a person that Harry considered as a friend i think, it would be impossible...

Also, it would be mutch to predicteble to make Snape evil, also, it wouldn't be cool i think, it would do damage to the story, in my opinion.

Kingsley is not an evil person i think. He fought good at the MoM. I don't have the feeling that he could be the traitor, i don't know why..

I also feel the most for Tonks stabbing Harry in the back. But don't forget she has to master Occlumency to fool Dumbledore. Knowing that she's clumsy i don't know if she would be abel to study that...

Besides, every ''Dumbledore is evil'' theoriepersons strongest proof is that: look of triumph. Besides that, there isn't any proof. I don't think Dumbledore is evil. He knows a lot because he masters Legimens. That's why he knows when someone is lying to him or not...

Hermione... her hair will 'explode' in every direction, like Drew Barrymore in Firestarter.

I think JK may kill one of the trio (Ron is the most hot candidate for that) but neither of them will betray Harry... the line of people close to Harry after that, I think someone will betray Harry. Life is harsh and unfair after all. I don't think Snape will betray Harry though. I don't see JK writing obvious stuff... (She is full of surprises every book!) I don't think Colin has been significant enough(at least up til this point) to have any meanings even if he does betray Harry. Neville does not seem like a person who would betray Harry at his own will, but there is Imperius curse and veritaserum. He is highly likely to be kidnapped/abused by the dark forces (Voldemort and his faithful and not-so-faithful Death Eaters). Tonks does seem like a likely character to betray the Order and Harry (because of her family and the fact that she is a metamorphagus), but then, she doesn't have enough significance (like Colin, up til this point) to have that much meaning to the plot and Harry (emotionally). And I am very sure that Dumbledore won't be the one to betray Harry and go join dear old Tom Voldie or overturn the government or something like that... Cho sounds like a good option as for who would betray Harry. My guts are telling me it's gonna be Cho....

No way that Ginny betrays Harry. I don't consider her being possesed a betrayal. That's like saying that Harry betrayed Dumbledore by being possesed by Voldie in the Ministry.

I don't think it will be anyone in the Order, or one of the Trio. I think it will be Percy. He's got too much ambition, that one.

I agree, Ginny just isn't the type. I think we know her well enough to know that.

How well do we know Pavarti Patil or her sister?

Percy has already showed his feelings to Ron about Harry in that letter, which were negative. If it is anyone, Percy is at the top of my list.

hermione might if harry was breaking the rules

hermione might if harry was breaking the rules

i disagree. hermione has already shown that she is loyal to harry no matter what the situation-- she even helped him break into umbridge's office so he could check on sirius when she knew full well that they would be breaking rules... and what about the polyjuice potion? i dont think she would betray harry and if she did, it wouldnt be over rules, but over his own actions.

If I had to guess, I'd say Colin Creevey. Think about it: he virtually worships Harry, and all Harry's done is told him to get out of the way, even though he always had good reason to do that. Sooner or later, Colin will have to get over his deification of Harry. Or, it could go the other way and Colin could become one of Harry's staunchest allies.
My second guess would be Snape. JK did tell us to watch out for him in the later books. And for all the preaching he does to Harry about controlling his emotions, Snape sure does a pretty lousy job of that whenever Harry is concerned. Granted, he did save Harry from Quirrell/Voldie's curse, but he still has had a pretty nasty grudge against Harry ever since Harry accidentally caught his eye that first evening in the dining hall. He was even willing to allow Sirius to be given the dementor's kiss because of the same grudge that drives Snape to hate Harry.

Yes, but Harry saved Snape from the dementors at the same time he saved himself, Ron, Hermione, and Sirius.

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I'm not saying it definitely will happen, but it seems very likely that by the end of book seven, somebody who Harry has known for years, and who he considered something of a friend, will stab Harry in the back.

interesting idea. i've played around with this idea a bit; and it seems one major thing harry hasn't had to face yet is true betrayal. a very likely possibility that we may see some come book 6 or 7

There is a bit of foreshadowing for this. In book three, when Ron read's Harry's tealeaves, he predicts that somebody who Harry considers a friend will end up stabbing him in the back. Now granted, many people on these boards consider that part of the "prophecy" fufilled when Ron sort of abandoned Harry during Goblet of Fire. However, that wasn't a true betrayal. Ron let Harry down, yes, but its not like he went to Dumbledore and said that Harry put his name in the cup. That would be a true bit of backstabbing.

yeah... that really wasn't betrayal.. more of just an argument

So, who is most likely to turn out to be a baddie?

Its not going to be Ron or Hermione, or any of the Weasleys. Harry has never considered Percy a friend, and I would be absolutely stunned if any of the Weasleys turned out to be bad.

while i agree ron never would, i wouldn't cross out percy's name quite yet

Neville...I would say that he would be a good possiblity, if it wasn't for the little matter of his Mum and Dad being driven to insanity by three death eaters.

i see neville on the good side to the very end as well

It could be Colin. He strikes me as sort of Peter Pettigrew-ish.

possible

It could be Tonks. I mean, Nymphadora Tonks is really cool, but she is a Black, AND a Metamorphmagi. I'm inclined to distrust somebody who can change their appearance at will. I mean, she could disguise herself to look like Harry or Dumbledore for that matter. Not a pleasant thought, but a real possiblity.

again-- possible. as an auror (and after getting to know her a bit in book5) i don't think it's real likely... but you never know

I can't think of many others, but then that's why I started this thread. So I could throw my ideas out to other people who know as much about HP as me, and get their ideas.

I think suspecting Tonks just because she's an animagus is a bit Umbridge-like.
It's almost the same as mistrusting Lupin because he's a werewolf.

>hermione might if harry was breaking the rules<

what do you mean by that? harry is constantly breaking the rules, and although hermoine often was not too pleased, she always remained loyal. what rules do you mean?

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>>again-- possible. as an auror (and after getting to know her a bit in book5) i don't think it's real likely... but you never know<<

We liked Barty Crouch Jr. when he was pretending to be Mad Eye. Remember when he turned Malfoy into a bouncing ferret?

I just finished reading this forum, and I have the urge to mention something. Maybe Harry has already been betrayed. I don't think anyone's mentioned the fact that Cho's friend (Sorry, I can't remember her name) betrayed the whole DA, by telling Umbridge about it. Harry obviously had trusted her somewhat to allow her to be a part of the DA. The charm that Hermione developed was put on her because she betrayed the DA. In that sense he was already betrayed.

I just finished reading this forum, and I have the urge to mention something. Maybe Harry has already been betrayed. I don't think anyone's mentioned the fact that Cho's friend (Sorry, I can't remember her name) betrayed the whole DA, by telling Umbridge about it. Harry obviously had trusted her somewhat to allow her to be a part of the DA. The charm that Hermione developed was put on her because she betrayed the DA. In that sense he was already betrayed.

I think the 'betray' on this thread means betraying Harry so that it jeopardizes Harry's life with the Voldemort issue, not just an expel. Somehow... I have Cho on my mind as the one to betray Harry.... hmmm....

I don't think that it will be Snape as he has so much to lose because everyone hates him already, so doing anything to Harry will land him in trouble w/Voldemort and w/ the Order

Colin Creevey is a good candidate - his following Harry around with that camera in CoS was a bit Wormtailesque. But he seems to have left Harry alone now, and I don't think he'd be close enough to him to properly betray him.
My problem is that I can't see anyone close to Harry willingly betraying him. I agree that one of them probably will, but JKR has me convinced that they're all too good at the moment.

cho may betray harry... i think im just saying that because i dont like her though... i dont think she has the motivation to actively make his life more miserable for him... too busy crying over dear old cedric... i dont think colin will, he has backed off a bit, so he couldnt sell him to voldemort, he doesnt have the inside info on him to do so... theres also the fact that voldemort wouldnt listen to him anyway, as hes muggle born. like capella, i just cant see anyone betraying him, not just yet.

Personally I think it will be a minor character. One of those people who gets mentioned once or twice, but for the most part we never learn anything about them because Harry ignores them. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking it could be either Seamus or Zacharias Smith.

hermione might if harry was breaking the rules

Hermione would never betray Harry! She is the one person who has stood by Harry through thick and thin. I can't see Ron betraying Harry either. He has some insecurities and self-esteem issues, but he has proven himself to be a true and loyal friend to Harry.

I think that Hagrid could accidentally betray Harry. He seems to have a hard time keeping his mouth shut and could give away some secret without meaning to.

I like the idea of it being a minor character as a major character would be too obvious for JKR.

ronrocks wrote: "I think that Hagrid could accidentally betray Harry. He seems to have a hard time keeping his mouth shut and could give away some secret without meaning to."
yeah, he is like that, always having problems to be silent in the important moments, but after PS and his whining about his accidental betrayal in the hospital wing after the "show down", I don't think he will do it again.

I think that Hagrid will learn to hold his tongue now that he has caused so many problems (PS/SS being almost taken by Prof. Quirrell).

Will Fluer be a possibility? Bill may very well bring her into the Order. May be Fluer could be blackmail or something. JKR take a moment to mention how important Fluer's sister is to Fluer. I believe we may see more about Fluer and her little sister.

I dont think it would be Fleur because Harry saved her sister in the 2nd task. She is sort of like in his debt.

Another likely candidate is Ernie Macmillan. he seems to be the kind of guy who hides a lot of stuff by being super-pompous. He is also a hypocrite and he also was mean to harry in the COS. And for seem reason Rowling all of a sudden brought up this guy in Book 5.

Ron will go the way of Brutus. JK follows alot of history in her writing. I think in this case, Ron is Harry's best friend, and Marcus Brutus was Julius Ceasar's best friend, and look what Brutus did to Ceasar. I think you all will be surprised by this, but I think it will happen.

If Ron wasn't so ordinary, I could see more merit in the Brutus argument. Ron has the kind of loyalty that reminds me of a groupie.

Wasnt Brutus de son of ceasar

Rowling may read a lot of history, doesn't follow it's going to get incorporated.
I really don't think we can look at what happened in the past with the Marauders and frankly using the "betrayal by the friend" plot device twice could be considered lazy story telling and Rowling isn't lazy.
I think it more likely someone is going to make a grave error in judgement and that someone will be
Harry himself.
At the end of OotP the boy is not thinking with a straight head and he's still angry.

I don't think the betrayal,if it comes,is going to be deliberate.I just don't see any of the people on the side of the Order switching sides,not even Dung.And the other members of the Sextet would rather die than betray Harry,they've proved that already.

Ron: C'est possible...But I cant really see it. Sure, he hasnt always been Harry's friend, but they do have a strong connection, and Rons broken that once, and I dont think he'll break it again.

Hermione: She has stuck by Harry through everything, absolutly everything. She has believed Harry when nobody else has. She is smart, sensible, and sometimes knows how to get something across to Harry. Definatly not.

Cho: She could do it without really realising, as she wants to get back at Harry perhaps?

Terry Boot/Hannah Abbot: Too nice and innocent. And a bit too minor (though they could become more important)

Ernie MacMillan:Its possible. He is very pompous, and I think he could be persuaded to betray Harry.

Colin/Dennis: No. I think their only importance is that they are in the DA and Colin was Petrified in CoS. I dont tihnk there's any future for them in the books.

Fleur: Harry did save her sisters life, as Hazelnutt1230 said. She also isnt very clever really, as she wasnt very good in the Triwizard Tournament, even though she was 3 years older than Harry.

Neville: He is totally good in my belief. Even when Bellatrix was about to do the Cruticus Curse on him if Harry didnt give the phophecy (very sad moment for me...I never knew I liked Neville so much...); Neville still said "Don'd gib id do dem!". Neville is far too good, and since DEs tortured his parents to insanity...It is the last person I would expect.

Tonks: I think a lot of people are biased against her because she is a Metamorphagus, and I have to say I am slightly against her too. It is a very useful thing to be able to do, and I have to say I am suspicious

Snape: I believe he is on the good side for the rest of his life. I dont know why, I dont know how, but I do.

Wasnt Brutus de son of ceasar
No, Augustis was Ceasars son.

Wasnt Brutus the one that assasinated caesar?

Will Fluer be a possibility? Bill may very well bring her into the Order. May be Fluer could be blackmail or something. JKR take a moment to mention how important Fluer's sister is to Fluer. I believe we may see more about Fluer and her little sister.
Hey, I wanted to revive this topic because I thought of the very same thing the other day...but with something of a different slant.

What if Fluer is told she must spy on or betray Harry or else see her sister killed.

The only thing I have to back this up is her being attracted to Bill seems to be a bit too convenient.

Bill seems like the kind of person who would attract a lot of female attention; I don't think Fleur's attraction to Bill is "convenient" at all. Besides, who's not saying that Bill chased after Fleur? She is part-Veela, after all.

I'm not sure who will end up betraying Harry in the end. For a while I thought it could be Sirius, but that theory was extinguished with his untimely death in OotP. It will probably be Vernon Dursley, or Tonks. For some reason I don't trust her.

fleurs an interesting choice. BUt I like the idea of Ron jsut for the simple fact that all the bad things happen to him. But in the end after turning back all the good things happen. I know that he's gotten a new wand and broom and all, but i think this will have somethign to do with hermione.

NOw lets look into the Order. podmore was easily used but there was not enough know about him and he's not that important in the order.
mundugus i think is devoted to the dumbledore as well as alot of the other members because they stuck around the first time around.
SO i'd say if there was a traitor, that wasn't one of harry's friends it would be some one new in the order that we have not met.

I like the idea Percy, maybe voldemort tempts him with the power of minister.

But my real choice would have to be a friend of Harry's, just to keep in trend with this father. Someone that will have participated in the DOA.
I think Neville, even though the books suggest that he shouldn't because of what happens to his parents. But whats stopping voldemort from using his parents again. We all know how neville loves his parents.

I feel there is a possibility of one of these three betraying Harry:

Aunt Petunia: She seems very easily persuaded to do a wizards command and also seems more interested in saving herself than anyone else. Petunia strikes me as someone who would do anything to save herself if confrount with Voldemort.

For the other two I would agree with NeuroComp.

I think Percy Weasley could very easily turn to against Harry as Harry is respected by the rest of the Weasleys and Percy at the moment is being denounce by his own family. Through jealousy Percy may turn to Voldemort as an act of reveange.

The theory that Neville might also turn because of Voldemort offering help with Nevilles parents is an interesting one. As Voldemort did this with Harry in ss/ps, when trying to retrieve the sorcerers stone. Voldemort can actually cure the Longbottoms from the memory charm as he did with Bertha Jorkins in GoF. In GoF, page 569, Voldermort states that the removal of the memory charm was increadibly difficult but it was the extraction of the information from Bertha Jorkins mind killed Bertha Jorkins not the removal of the memory charm. So all in all, Voldemort could offer Neville the chance to have his parents back in return of Nevilles services as a DE and therefore betraying Harry at the same time.

Well. I do believe Miss Hermione will betray Harry.

(LOL) But. Maybe she won't. I'm only guessing.

:mad:

I hate guessing.

I'd say probably one of the Creevys... they too remind me of Peter. But I really cant see them back stabbing Harry, can you? So I'd guess Ron, hes a good friend to Harry, but when he thought Harry lied to him, he like turned his back on Harry when he thought Harry entered himself in the Tri-Wizard.

I am a little confused. I thought that the Longbottoms lost their memories b/c of the crutatius (sp?) curse. I thought that the torture of the curse was so great that they went insane, lost their speech, and their memories. Would Voldemort be able to reverse that? Would he be able to give them back their sanity? Or are you saying he would pretend to be able to help Neville's parents to trick Neville to his side? I don't know if Neville will turn on Harry because of Voldemort. In fact I don't think Neville will turn at all and here is why. Although Neville resembles Peter Pettigrew in looks I don't think their attitudes or personalities are the same. Peter tried to surround himself with the most powerful and big time wizards of the group. At first it was James, Lupin, and Sirius who provided him with proctection. Then it was Voldemort. Neville doesn't force himself onto Harry, Hermione, or Ron. He doesn't try to get into their group the way that Peter did. He doesn't ask for help or for protection. And Neville has been hurt in a way that Peter never was and I think that bonds someone. I think it could be the Creevy brothers and of course Percy is an obvious choice. I think it might be a less obvious choice even less obvious than Ron and Hermione. One person that comes to my mind (although I am not sure why) is Ginny. I have no reasoning, just a feeling that it could happen. She has been influenced before.

Here are the people I think definitely won't betray Harry: Ron and Hagrid. As has been said before, Hagrid is fiercely loyal to Dumbledore, the reason he has his job and such, and he did hate Tom Riddle before Tom Riddle was Voldemort.
Ron is and must remain a good guy and Harry's confidante. I cannot consider the possibility of the devastation that would stem from his betrayal, because it would be too much, it would be wrong, it would break the contract that we readers have with J.K. Rowling for her to make Ron go bad.
Hermione, on the other hand... it might be interesting to see her betray Harry. But I don't think that would happen.
If somebody stabs Harry in the back, my money's on Tonks.

I don't really see any of Harry's close friends or acquaintences betraying him (i.e., Ron, Hermione, Neville, Luna, Ginny, Seamus, Hagrid, etc) Just don't see it happening. Definitely NOT Snape, as he is on the good side :D . The only characters I can think of being possible double-crossing candidates and actually have an impact on Harry(as well as the readers) are one of the Weasleys (excluding Ron & Ginny). They are characters that are fleshed out enough to stun the readers if anything "unexpected" were to happen with them. Either that or just introduce a totally new character, have them win Harry's confidence and then bam! Hit him with a big time betrayal.

Not to sound evil or anything. Most people have a price. If the price is enough, i have not doubt in mind that anyone is a fair game in betraying Harry. DD will betray Harry if it serve a greater good. Hermione could betray Harry if her family is in danger, assume her family is close.

I always consider Ron is a softspot. Ron still does not resort all his problem with Harry and there may be a chance that he can be tricked(no, i do not think Ron will betray Harry willingly).
I think all weaslys are fair game, as well as new order member introduced in OFTP. Some DA memeber could also be possible. However, it is unlikely Neville and Luna. Luna is just too odd. Neville has his own share of problem with Vmort.

DD will betray Harry if it serve a greater good.
Really great post haycheng. This line in particular really got me thinking. Would DD betray Harry if it served a greater good? (How it would serve a greater good is a little beyond me, because if Harry dies, no one will be able to kill Voldemort, but that's beside the point.) I think that when it comes down to it, yes. If what happened in Book 5 hadn't happened, though, i would think no. I think that DD learned his lesson - that he has to harm Harry in the short term if it is for the greater good - that is, helping Harry toward the most important battle, at the end. Betraying Harry would just be the next step - he learned that he should have harmed Harry for the greater good by telling him the truth, and if the situation came up again, this time DD would harm Harry nearly right away, to help the cause.

I haven't read all the posts, so forgive me if someone has already stated this opinion.

Based on the precedent set by similar stories, I think Ron is the obvious choice to betray Harry at some point near the climax of the series. That doesn't mean that he wants to hurt or destroy Harry. He might betray him out of a desire to help him, or he might be tricked into betrayal. The paradigm dictates that before the final hour, the hero must lose all support systems and experience a betrayal by his closest ally, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a betrayal by Ron, but also a repentance and forgiveness.

I think this betraying will be the most hurting one from all.
What is fishy? That we didn't have paralyzing discovery in Ootp.
Summarizing:
1. SS/PS - we thought that Snape is a tritor, but in the end we found out that it was Quirrell
2. CoS - who thought that Tom Riddle could be LV and Ginny could been helping him. You know, that "I am lord Voldemort" thing really hit me!
3. PoA - Black seemed to be a murder, but he turned out to be a really good person.
4. GoF - Mad-eye Moody, the friend of DD, person who we were trusting most turned out to be evil
5. Ootp - well, the most paralyzing things were discoveries about James and Sirius' bullying Snape, hate between James and Lily, and Sirius' dead. Not a misguiding plot.

Well, even if he was my fav character, I was thinking about Sirius betraing Harry. Now, I would put my money on the character we think won't do it for sure.

The Weasleys
Hermione
Lupin
Dumbledore
Neville
McGonagall
Snape

Cho
Luna
Tonks
Mad-eye Moody (the real one)
Fleur
Krum

Creevey brothers don't seem to be so important to be the traitors. I think more important character seems to be one. I think it could be Ron, but it won't hit me so much.

Don't you think we became absurdly distrustful? We see traitors everywhere. Crazy :rotfl:

I am not sure that Harry will lose his support system due to betrayal and I can't see one of the trio betraying him. I don't know why but I think Ginny could be someone who would betray him. She unwillingly did it before and she is gradually becoming closer and closer to the trio.
I just cant see the Trio betraying eachother since they seem as close as Sirius, Lupin, and James. Peter always seemed a bit out of place if you ask me. The other three were goodlooking, smart, popular and a bit dangerous/rebellious - all the makings of a popular kid. Peter wasn't any of those things. In fact he was the follower, the "wannabe" and they had to pull him out of all the scraps. Who is the wannabe in this group? I know most say Neville but he never TRIES to be something or someone he is not. He never tries to be friends with Ron, Hermione or Harry. He is just there, always messing up but never following. In fact if anything he is trying to go unnoticed. My bet is someone in the DA or even Ginny although she doesn't fit Peter's description, she does have a history however unwilling!

I haven't read all the posts, so forgive me if someone has already stated this opinion.

Based on the precedent set by similar stories, I think Ron is the obvious choice to betray Harry at some point near the climax of the series. That doesn't mean that he wants to hurt or destroy Harry. He might betray him out of a desire to help him, or he might be tricked into betrayal. The paradigm dictates that before the final hour, the hero must lose all support systems and experience a betrayal by his closest ally, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a betrayal by Ron, but also a repentance and forgiveness.

It's occured to me that Ron could betray Harry without meaning to and without being tricked or coerced. What if he is injured and so not accessible to Harry during the final battle (assuming, as always, that something like that happens), or when Harry most needs him. Harry, as a teenager, might be very angry and perceive this as betrayal, though it is not purposeful or the sort of betrayal we generally have discussed here. If this doesn't fit your idea of betrayal, feel free to correct me. It was just a thought.

We may able to add Hermione to the list. Hermione is the kind of person who believe in the book too much. If Vmort find a way to give Hermione a book, Hermione may accidently follow the book and betray Harry.

Anyone who betray Harry had to be closed. Weasley family, school teachers(other than Snape since he dislike Harry anyway) , Hermione and Lupin are more possible. The other charaters are simply not close enough to make the betray important enough to the readers.

The most devistating betrayal would be lupin. He is harry's last real connection with his parents. He will become the person Harry confides in and trusts now that Sirius is gone. So to have him turn bad would rock Harry's already fragile world. Not to mention the fact that I would be devistated.

You can blame me for liking her character too much, but I'd place all my money that Hermione would never do any such thing. And she is SMART, she isn't likely to be tricked by Voldemort just like that. Of course, he might use her family to blackmail her, but 1. that would be blackmail, no real betrayal, and 2. Hermione knows that the life of her parents would be endangered anyway, giving away Harry wouldn't help on the long way. No, I really do believe in her, I'd rather go with Ron. There is an old rivalry with Harry, and without really knowing, Ron might be the one tricked by Voldemort because he isn't the brightest person in the world. He's easily influenced, and he can't control his emotions very well.

You can blame me for liking her character too much, but I'd place all my money that Hermione would never do any such thing. And she is SMART, she isn't likely to be tricked by Voldemort just like that. Of course, he might use her family to blackmail her, but 1. that would be blackmail, no real betrayal, and 2. Hermione knows that the life of her parents would be endangered anyway, giving away Harry wouldn't help on the long way. No, I really do believe in her, I'd rather go with Ron. There is an old rivalry with Harry, and without really knowing, Ron might be the one tricked by Voldemort because he isn't the brightest person in the world. He's easily influenced, and he can't control his emotions very well.lol, I hate to think ill of Hermione too. But anyone can be tricked. Ron is the obvious choice here, given his history. I think everyone has a fair chance to betray Harry. We can however ignore the secondary characters as their betray would not be as strong or as worthwhile to the story. I believe "the six", order member(probably only Lupind tonk and Mad eye, others are not that close), weasleys family and school teachers all have a good chance.

You can blame me for liking her character too much, but I'd place all my money that Hermione would never do any such thing. And she is SMART, she isn't likely to be tricked by Voldemort just like that.

Being smart is rarely a good defense against a capable deceiver. Scientists are the most easily and thoroughly fooled by the ESP/mentalist quacks. It took an ex-magician (Johnny Carson) to prove that Yuri Geller was a fraud. Smart honest people don't practice trickery so they don't know how to anticipate and defend against it.

You can blame me for liking her character too much, but I'd place all my money that Hermione would never do any such thing. And she is SMART, she isn't likely to be tricked by Voldemort just like that. Of course, he might use her family to blackmail her, but 1. that would be blackmail, no real betrayal, and 2. Hermione knows that the life of her parents would be endangered anyway, giving away Harry wouldn't help on the long way. No, I really do believe in her, I'd rather go with Ron. There is an old rivalry with Harry, and without really knowing, Ron might be the one tricked by Voldemort because he isn't the brightest person in the world. He's easily influenced, and he can't control his emotions very well.

Ron isn't stupid. Also, there has been some rivalry in many of history's greatest friendships, there is rivalry between siblings, but that doesn't mean many of them betray each other. Ron is Harry's very best friend, and that he can compete (I think it's competition more than "rivalry") with Harry just makes them more realistic as friends. Ron could never betray Harry.

Ron is Harry's best friend and Harry chose him over Draco right from the beginning. They know each other better then anyone else. Harry lets Ron pretend to sleep when he doesn't want to face anyone. Ron uses all his prefect power to shut up SF. They have had their bust up and got over it. I can't see Ron not believe Harry ever again.

Neville may not be acidemic (neither am I at spelling apologies) but he is not stupid or weak. He is faithful friend and would never join forces with Voldemort or the DE. His parents mean to much to him.

Colin Creevey does have that Wormtail image and he told the daily profit that Harry and Hermione were going out. And got himself called a close friend (in his dreams!).

Cho could could bad but she has no hold on Harry anymore.

If Dumbledore betrayed Harry it would hurt him. I could see him doing that for the greater good of the World to make up for his past mistakes. Or that twinkle could mean more. He calls Voldemort Tom when they are face to face, why?

Ron is Harry's best friend and Harry chose him over Draco right from the beginning. They know each other better then anyone else. Harry lets Ron pretend to sleep when he doesn't want to face anyone. Ron uses all his prefect power to shut up SF. They have had their bust up and got over it. I can't see Ron not believe Harry ever again.

Neville may not be acidemic (neither am I at spelling apologies) but he is not stupid or weak. He is faithful friend and would never join forces with Voldemort or the DE. His parents mean to much to him.

Colin Creevey does have that Wormtail image and he told the daily profit that Harry and Hermione were going out. And got himself called a close friend (in his dreams!).

Cho could could bad but she has no hold on Harry anymore.

If Dumbledore betrayed Harry it would hurt him. I could see him doing that for the greater good of the World to make up for his past mistakes. Or that twinkle could mean more. He calls Voldemort Tom when they are face to face, why?

Very well said about Ron. Very insightful on Colin Creevey, I hadn't put that together.
I think Dumbledore may call Voldemort Tom when they are face to face because it is less powerful and somehow makes Voldemort less powerful- reminding everyone that Voldemort was human, that he was once a Hogwarts student like Harry. Voldemort is the name Tom Riddle gave himself to get power. Calling him Tom takes that power gained by the name change away. Besides, people fear the name Voldemort, and Tom is certainly harmless. Does this make sense to people?

I know you are right with your points relating to Ron; I rather meant that I'd believe him to be more likely to betray Harry than Hermione. And Hermione isn't easily fooled; she realised too that something was wrong in OotP; Harry just never listens to her when he's in a rush.
But one thing; Softy wrote >>Ron is Harry's best friend and Harry chose him over Draco right from the beginning. They know each other better then anyone else. Harry lets Ron pretend to sleep when he doesn't want to face anyone.<<
That is no real argument, is it? I mean, the crucial, DRAMATIC point about betrayal is like that; the one person you never believed to be unloyal stabs you in your back, otherwise it had not much of deeper disappointment (you can't be given away by your enemies, only spyed). I'm not truly believing it is Ron, but I wouldn't cross him out on my list as well.
And it would be dramatic irony, BECAUSE HArry chose him instead of Draco. I know, I know, you hate it, but it's worth a thought, isn't it?

I know you are right with your points relating to Ron; I rather meant that I'd believe him to be more likely to betray Harry than Hermione. And Hermione isn't easily fooled; she realised too that something was wrong in OotP; Harry just never listens to her when he's in a rush.
But one thing; Softy wrote >>Ron is Harry's best friend and Harry chose him over Draco right from the beginning. They know each other better then anyone else. Harry lets Ron pretend to sleep when he doesn't want to face anyone.<<
That is no real argument, is it? I mean, the crucial, DRAMATIC point about betrayal is like that; the one person you never believed to be unloyal stabs you in your back, otherwise it had not much of deeper disappointment (you can't be given away by your enemies, only spyed). I'm not truly believing it is Ron, but I wouldn't cross him out on my list as well.
And it would be dramatic irony, BECAUSE HArry chose him instead of Draco. I know, I know, you hate it, but it's worth a thought, isn't it?

I agree that Ron is more likely to be tricked than Hermione. However, as has been said before, when one is tricked it is less a betrayal, though Harry would perceive it as a betrayal either way. I think Ron is too good a friend to betray Harry. I understand what you are saying about the point being that a person never thought to be unloyal stabs the hero in the back, but I think that it would be too devastating to have Ron betray Harry, that it would violate the contract that we, the readers, have with JKR, for her to allow Ron to betray Harry. I think Hermione is about at the right place on the relationship spectrum for betrayal. ron is more than a shallow, celluloid, Hollywood buddy sort of best friend in the world. He is "true blue". Hermione, though very unlikely to betray Harry, I agree, is not so close to Harry that any contracts would be broken if she betrayed Harry. Maybe I just like Ron so much that I won't consider him ever betraying Harry. However, that I feel that way might be considered evidence of the contract that would be broken and spit upon if Ron did betray Harry. I'm talking about me having no respect for JK Rowling anymore, that sort of thing.
I agree, however, that the dramatic irony would be interesting if Ron did betray Harry, if Draco is standing by Harry's side against Voldemort when Ron betrays Harry. Otherwise, Ron will remain the lesser of the two evils. At least his father isn't a well established death eater and he isn't a spoiled brat following in that death eater father's footsteps. At least Harry would have gotten the Weasleys out of the relationship with Ron.

I think (if anyone) Dumbledore

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Personally, I don't see why anyone can blame any Weasley with the exception of maybe Percy. Sure Ron has gone against Harry before and Ginny was posessed by Voldemort, but why does that make them some people's first target. Ginny wasn't proud of Voldemort using her was she? And Ron, I just can't see him doing it again. If someone turns out to be a backstabber I can't see it being one of the trio, but personally I think Hermione is the most likely. She may even do it not even reallizing it. She just seems like a person who can be easily convinced how something is.

I think it's gonna be either a squib or someone who really, really, hates Harry
who's using the pollyjuice potion to make Harry think they're trustworthy.

Take Alastor "Mad Eye" Moody when Harry first saw him. When I saw him change
into Barty Crouch J.R., :wow: ! Malfoy into Ron? Mabey. Take Tonks for example. She might turn into Gonny or Cho, or even Hermoine!

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So, interesting idea, Draco impersonating Ron... he's Tonks cousin, first line even. Could he have some metamorphmagi (or however this is spelled) talents? Maybe, it's not like Tonks (being able to do it just like this, even in her childhood), but because he wants to get back on Harry, he starts training or so?
But this would be no betrayal either. And what could Harry tell Ron that is so dangerous or important that it would be worthwhile (from Draco's point of view)?

Personally, I don't see why anyone can blame any Weasley with the exception of maybe Percy. Sure Ron has gone against Harry before and Ginny was posessed by Voldemort, but why does that make them some people's first target. Ginny wasn't proud of Voldemort using her was she? And Ron, I just can't see him doing it again. If someone turns out to be a backstabber I can't see it being one of the trio, but personally I think Hermione is the most likely. She may even do it not even reallizing it. She just seems like a person who can be easily convinced how something is.

Hermione does have an overreliance on thought. And she seems like she may believe anything she reads in a book (not the Quibbler, I know that she has some discretion). Interesting. I think you may be right.
And of course, I do agree about the Weasleys

I really and truly do not believe that the betrayer will be an adult.
While that would be shocking, I think that too many parallels have been drawn between the maurading generation and the current school age.
I think it needs to be someone close to Harry's age.

I still think that Ron is a possibility. Ever since GoF and how easily he turned against Harry I've seen him as being susceptible to going against Harry.

I still think that Ron is a possibility. Ever since GoF and how easily he turned against Harry I've seen him as being susceptible to going against Harry.

I agree with you. It would be the most devastating for Ron to be the traitor, and because it is nearly unthinkable, I think that JK might choose Ron.

As for the idea that it would be Dumbledore; why would JK do that? It would turn the books in an entirely different direction, and while I don't think she wants the ending to be predictable, I don't she wants it to be ridiculous.
How do you picture Dumbledore doing it?

yes it would be totallly unthinkable if Ron was the friend whio stabbed Harry in the back, thats why i dont think it is him, im sort of thinking at the moment Seamus Finnigann, he turned against Harry in book5, so im thinking he might do it again, i dont think it will be Neville, or any of Harry's close close friends, but i think very strongly, that someone who has turned againsthim before ill turn against him again!

It's really hard to say. If you think of it, anyone can do it while under the Imperious spell...all of them had problems shaking it in Moody's class EXCEPT Harry.

The imperius curse would be technically no betrayal. And I agree with all of those who said that it is one of Harry's friends; one of the teacher's, even if it was McGonagall, couldn't be so emotionally deep and devastating. And if JKR does install a betrayal, she will make it very dramatic. I mean, Dennis Creevey for example, who cares for him? The readers wouldn't be all too shocked, right? So, concluding this, we haven't so many suspects.
RON - like said before, it IS possible, AND it would be a disaster.

HERMIONE - I know, I know, it's possible too, still I don't believe it. And she does NOT believe anything just because it is written somewhere, she has a very good sense of her own.

NEVILLE - that would be so very terrible that I don't even want to think about it. But V. could tempt him by promising he could revive his parents. Nevertheless: AWFUL!

GINNY - unlikely, she has been possessed by Voldemort before, she's remarkably skilled, and for simple the sake of girl-power, JKR won't make her a traitor.

LUNA - it's more a feeling, but my money on "She's innocent"

SEAMUS - was the "bad" guy in book V, no way she uses him again

DEAN - somehow unimportant, isn't he?

FRED & George - no way, never, psychologically impossible

HAGRID - never on purpose, and without purpose, no betrayal

MCGONAGALL - same as the Weasley twins, she is a side character, and so the psychological u-turn would be hard to communicate to the reader

LUPIN - come on, I hadn't believed her to be so cool to kill off Sirius, if she takes away Lupin, I lose my faith in mankind, honestly.

Did I forget somebody?

What about Snape? I know it is a little "the butler did it" but hear me out. I think Snape would be devastating for all of us readers b/c it would mean a loss of trust for Dumbledore and for Harry who trusted Dumbledore. Plus we have come so accustomed to it NOT being Snape that I think it would be shocking if it was finally him! Plus sometimes it IS the butler! :lol:

Yeah, all you said is right, it would definitely shock the reader, but it would confirm only what Harry had always in mind, so there would be no, you know, heartgripping scenes and so on. I'm more for the drama.
Oh, and the list was only suggesting people I believed to be so close to Harry that they could dissappoint him

The imperius curse would be technically no betrayal. And I agree with all of those who said that it is one of Harry's friends; one of the teacher's, even if it was McGonagall, couldn't be so emotionally deep and devastating. And if JKR does install a betrayal, she will make it very dramatic. I mean, Dennis Creevey for example, who cares for him? The readers wouldn't be all too shocked, right? So, concluding this, we haven't so many suspects.
RON - like said before, it IS possible, AND it would be a disaster.

HERMIONE - I know, I know, it's possible too, still I don't believe it. And she does NOT believe anything just because it is written somewhere, she has a very good sense of her own.

NEVILLE - that would be so very terrible that I don't even want to think about it. But V. could tempt him by promising he could revive his parents. Nevertheless: AWFUL!

GINNY - unlikely, she has been possessed by Voldemort before, she's remarkably skilled, and for simple the sake of girl-power, JKR won't make her a traitor.

LUNA - it's more a feeling, but my money on "She's innocent"

SEAMUS - was the "bad" guy in book V, no way she uses him again

DEAN - somehow unimportant, isn't he?

FRED & George - no way, never, psychologically impossible

HAGRID - never on purpose, and without purpose, no betrayal

MCGONAGALL - same as the Weasley twins, she is a side character, and so the psychological u-turn would be hard to communicate to the reader

LUPIN - come on, I hadn't believed her to be so cool to kill off Sirius, if she takes away Lupin, I lose my faith in mankind, honestly.

Did I forget somebody?

You did forget Dumbledore. If you're going to suggest Ron, then you can't neglect to consider Dumbledore. It would break the social contract, too, for Dumbledore to betray Harry, and it'd be weird and quite devastating, but I think it'd be better than Ron betraying Harry. I do not think there's a chance that it will happen, but...

You did forget Dumbledore. If you're going to suggest Ron, then you can't neglect to consider Dumbledore. It would break the social contract, too, for Dumbledore to betray Harry, and it'd be weird and quite devastating, but I think it'd be better than Ron betraying Harry. I do not think there's a chance that it will happen, but...


I agree that you can't forget Dumbledore since he is one of Harry's closest confidantes. And if you pick Dumbledore you have to have Molly and Arthur Weasley. However the only way I see those two betraying him is if they had to pick between Harry and one of the biological childre. Then again I think they see Harry as one of their own and I don't think they would fall into that type of trap set by Voldemort.

Honestly, I dont know who will betray Harry. I have a pretty clear picture on who WON'T, however.

Hermione-That's impossible. It's completely out of her character to do so.
Cho- Yes, I know that's a popular one, but why would she work for the people that killed her Cedric?
Dumbledore, McGonnagal, Lupin, etc etc. -DUH!

Possibilities:

Neville- I'm not too sure about this one. Everyone may think he's weak or cowardly of like Pettigrew, but IMO book 5 showed us that there's gonna be a new, bolder Neville in town in the future books.
Ron- This is my best guess, and I think it would be shocking too. He has a jealousy problem, but he has shown that he is extremely loyal to Harry. I also think if one of the trio would die it could be him. Hmm... I can imagine him pulling a Boromir from LOTR; getting into a split with Harry, but dies at the end to save his friend and redeem himself?

Honestly, I dont know who will betray Harry. I have a pretty clear picture on who WON'T, however.

Hermione-That's impossible. It's completely out of her character to do so.
Cho- Yes, I know that's a popular one, but why would she work for the people that killed her Cedric?
Dumbledore, McGonnagal, Lupin, etc etc. -DUH!

Possibilities:

Neville- I'm not too sure about this one. Everyone may think he's weak or cowardly of like Pettigrew, but IMO book 5 showed us that there's gonna be a new, bolder Neville in town in the future books.
Ron- This is my best guess, and I think it would be shocking too. He has a jealousy problem, but he has shown that he is extremely loyal to Harry. I also think if one of the trio would die it could be him. Hmm... I can imagine him pulling a Boromir from LOTR; getting into a split with Harry, but dies at the end to save his friend and redeem himself?

I really don't think that jealousy could cause Ron to betray Harry. Harry is Ron's best friend, and even if he is jealous of him, he won't do anything stupid. A little competition can be healthy in a friendship, I swear. Besides, betraying Harry will be betraying his family as well (I just thought of that, but it's true. and family is very important to Ron...)

I really don't think that jealousy could cause Ron to betray Harry. Harry is Ron's best friend, and even if he is jealous of him, he won't do anything stupid. A little competition can be healthy in a friendship, I swear. Besides, betraying Harry will be betraying his family as well (I just thought of that, but it's true. and family is very important to Ron...)

Yes...I agree that it seems improbable and, if it occured, might not seem very convincing...but we have only reached the 5th book.

I just have a feeling that there will be a rupture in their friendship in the future, which could lead to a betrayall...

I know that whatever JK does, it'll be convincing.
It'd be far too dissapointing if such a wonderful thing turned ridiculous...

I did not mention Dumbledore because I don't see him EVER change sides. Maybe he would sacrifice Harry if he thought it was necessary, and it would be terrible (really devastating, not only for Harry or the reader but for the MORAL! You can't weigh lives against each other!), but he would never betray the "good or light side". That'd be really out of character.

I don't think it would be Hagrid because as we learned in the 2nd book, the reason Hagrid was expelled was because Tom Riddle framed him. HE already hated Voldemort, so why would he try and help him? And all throughout the books, Hagird is always saying "Great man, he is , Dumbledore" which means he is VERY loyal to him. And if DD cares that much about Harry, then so does Hagrid. And as we saw in OotP, Hagrid is very strong against curses because of his giant blood so i think it would be really hard for a DE to put the Imperius Curse on him.
Sorry this is a bit late, but i have to agree with the Hagrid theory, although, yes, DD does care very much for Hagrid, because he was framed. But unfortunatly i believe we shouldn't exactly put Hagrid off , because of the whole Severus Snape thing. If we all look back DD says that Snape wouldn't go back because he's basically hiding. But we all know Snape LOATHES Harry due to his FATHER. SO why wouldn't Snape betray him? That's gettin off track though. Like i said, yes, it would be absolutley heart breaking if Hagrid did go against Harry but is it THAT unbelievable? As for the Snape thing i feel he doesnt want to go against DD but if the"call" is strong enough he'll go , but maybe he'll surprise us by going but in turn become a "spy".... something else that we should think about.. eh?

Another thought of mine is, IF JKR really does use one of the TRIO against Harry in either the 6th or 7th book , does she honestly think that people won't get irrate about it? I mean yes, it is ONLY a book, but for some, (me) i read it as a "bible" sort to say. I love it, and for the fact that Sirius "died" I for one was very upset. I don't believe JKR would do such a thing. For a guess though, when i look back , i think Malfoy and Snape will be out of the picture for stabbing Harry in the back. i honestly think Malfoy will change and see ( just as Sirius did) that the good side is the Braver side. As for Snape he'll finally grow up and put whatever he has against the POtter house and want to become closer to harry as almost maybe an uncle type figure in place of sirius? (though NOBODY will take his place COS he's not GONE forever)But i do truely think Harry and Snape will realize that Snape is related to Black and try to put the past behind him.(crosses fingers....)

I think, the readers (or at least many of them) would be really shocked if Snape tuurned out to be some double spy or how you'd call it. But for Hary it wouldn't come much as a surprise. But I can never see neither Snape nor Harry sort out their grudge, it's too deep for that. They might get to the point where they can tolerate each other, but not much farer.
I must have missed something, but which number of post brought clues why Hagrid should be the culprit?

Does someone really close to him have to betray Harry? Does someone we have come to know and love have to go against him? I mean he was already betrayed by a bunch of people who really were both close to him and unimportant - Quirrell, (fake) Moody, Scabbers, Cho's friend, and Tom Riddle. Maybe JKR Will keep in tradition and pick people who are not really that obvious but are not the ones we keep close to heart. I REALLY cant see anyone close to him betraying. And I know we are prepared for that b/c of Wormtail but I can't think of one person who follows the Trio around and worships them the way Peter worshipped james, sirius and lupin. Out of the trio, all get good grades and are accomplished wizards for their age-group. And Neville who looks like Peter does not have the same personality. HE does not follow the trio around and he does not try to be like them.

Does someone really close to him have to betray Harry? Does someone we have come to know and love have to go against him? I mean he was already betrayed by a bunch of people who really were both close to him and unimportant - Quirrell, (fake) Moody, Scabbers, Cho's friend, and Tom Riddle. Maybe JKR Will keep in tradition and pick people who are not really that obvious but are not the ones we keep close to heart. I REALLY cant see anyone close to him betraying. And I know we are prepared for that b/c of Wormtail but I can't think of one person who follows the Trio around and worships them the way Peter worshipped james, sirius and lupin. Out of the trio, all get good grades and are accomplished wizards for their age-group. And Neville who looks like Peter does not have the same personality. HE does not follow the trio around and he does not try to be like them.

I may think (and I certainly hope) that you're right. I definitely think it's a bad idea to have somebody close to him betray him. I agree, also, with what you've said about Neville. Especially after OoTP, now that he's become a bit less of a weak link, I really can't even see him getting tricked into acting in a way that is bad for Harry, anymore. Good post, and thank you for saying it.

There are quite a few people who would betray Harry with good reasons...

Ron could betray him because as you can read in GoF, he was really jealous of how much more attention Harry was getting. And then Harry has more gold than Ron, so that would be a good reason for him to get rid of Harry, to try and take his gold.

Snape is an obvious suspect on betraying him. He's dislike for Harry is widely known and he would probably betray him with the grudge about what his father did in mind, still thinking Harry was as arrogant as James.

I agree about Colin Creevey (sp?) having a Peter Pettigrew way about him...

Another person could be someone in the Order, who doesn't think of turning to the dark side until later. Like Tonks or Kingsley Shacklebolt (unlikely, though) and who knows, one of the Weasleys could do it. You never know.

I don't believe Ron or Hermione would knowingly betray Harry. Nor would Hagrid or Dumbledore. But I think there is a distinct possibility that Snape will betray Dumbledore, therefore leading Harry into danger.
Has JK said there will be a betrayal before the end of bk 7? If not, I'd hedge my bets on 'NO BETRAYAL', at least by anyone *close to Harry. She has formed a truly loyal set of friends, prepared to give their all for each other (one for all & all for one - hurrah!!)
*By close, read Weasleys(-Percy), Hermione, Neville, OotP members etc...

"We werre all in the DA together" said Neville quietly "It was all supposed to be about fighting you-know-who, wasn't it? And this is the first chance we've had to do something real - or was that all just a game or something?" United for the Cause! Hooray!!

Harry did in book5 a great job to push away some persons and make them even likely to betray him in the end. Who do I suspect?

Cho Chang: After this year? We should expect she disapears but me thinks JKR plan there something with this lady. Just let look she is emotional not on top, rather very much at an abyss. Than the fact how Harry let tread her best friend, than she might still want something from Harry. She is weak enough to be used and likeing can change very fast into hate not in general against Harry. I mean she don't need to betray Harry, she can do that against Hermione, or? I mean in book6 she will be as much in danger as Harry himself. Muggleborn.

Micheal Corner: Huh, whats that? Let just speculate that Ginny used Corner as excuse to get over Harry and Cho is still after Harry this can create jealousy you know. Its the best thing to do some bad things. Thats why Peter did betray his friends, too.

Ginny Weasley: Oh don't jump at me because of this. I mean no one would suspect her. But just think about it what in COS did happen Riddle did put a part of his soul in her and I don't think that this book was suppose to be a happy end one. There is something evil there. Someone pointed out only DE's call Voldemort: Dark Lord and if that card in COS was from Ginny than well she wrote Dark Lord and not you-know-who. In canon don't exist a kid who do that beside Malfoy. Than we have the interesting fact that she grow closer to Harry exactly after Voldemort is back. I think there is more about this possesing by Ginny and thats why JKR brings her back. I know I'm evil but hey its possible. I don't say sweet inocent Ginny from book one would do that rather the same possed girl from COS.

Fudge: Well he said the name of good old Voldemort in GoF. That is enough to make me kinda suspicious and than his acting in OotP? Come one that was what Voldemort needed enough stuff to make people believe Potter and Dumbledore are as bad as he is it.

Hermione Granger: This would be a real shocker, or? But what if she is forced to it? I mean if its about her parents. What than? How did she decide? A scenario she will or try to solve it on her own way and fails. Possible, or? But I don't believe JKR will write it. I told you I'm evil :evil:

Ron? To obvious after GoF.

But I let it there.

EDIT:
I had to edit this post after I gone through the thread. In fact Dumbledore did betray Harry in book5 and I do think DD isn't that nice. He do what he think is right without mercy thats why he can't defead Voldemort.

Percy is a question for his own I do think he is a spy by DD so he is not really betraying Harry in book5. But just think about it DD knows it but still let the Weasleys suffer. I do even think its possible he dies and the Weasley get after his dead he never did betray them.

As for Ron he did already betray Harry in GoF so in that case no I doubt he do it again but I can be wrong.

Tonks? She is suspicious and I do think Harry and all others do trust her way to quickly. But if I suspect her than I have to suspect Charlie Weasley too. In Gof he does some suspicious things and he is not in OotP there is a reason for that.

There are quite a few people who would betray Harry with good reasons...

Ron could betray him because as you can read in GoF, he was really jealous of how much more attention Harry was getting. And then Harry has more gold than Ron, so that would be a good reason for him to get rid of Harry, to try and take his gold.

Snape is an obvious suspect on betraying him. He's dislike for Harry is widely known and he would probably betray him with the grudge about what his father did in mind, still thinking Harry was as arrogant as James.

I agree about Colin Creevey (sp?) having a Peter Pettigrew way about him...

Another person could be someone in the Order, who doesn't think of turning to the dark side until later. Like Tonks or Kingsley Shacklebolt (unlikely, though) and who knows, one of the Weasleys could do it. You never know.

I don't know... I think Tonks isn't that unlikely, after all, she's the sort of hip, cool, really nice, young member of the order that everyone likes. she has the metamorphmagus thing... I don't necessarily think it will happen, but it's a far cry better than Ron betraying Harry.

Thanks Eleanor12 for what you said. I really think that most of the people who seem REALLY obvious are NOT truly close to harry. Yes Colin has the attributes of Peter but is he CLOSE to Harry? Sure Snape is an on again off again suspect in my mind but Harry hates him and is that really a betrayal? Michael Corner and Harry were never really friends. And even though Cho and Harry had something, I just don't see her being a part of Voldemort's group after Cedric. No one trusts Fudge and without trust there is no betrayal. And I just dont see Ron or Hermione as being able to betray Harry to VOLDEMORT on purpose. And I think for a true betrayl it needs to be on purpose otherwise it is an unfortunate accident. And is doing something for the greater good of the order really betraying Harry. Would Harry be opposed to dying if it meant everyone else could live without Voldemort? I wonder if that is betraying someone if you do something that they would believe in but might lead them to trouble. I dont know what I think about thatt...

I was simply just stating names and reasons. Even if people are the best of friends with someone, some can be tempted to betray their friends if given the right motive.

And Tonks was just an example of anybody from the Order. She is really cool and hip.

[QUOTE=Black]Even if people are the best of friends with someone, some can be tempted to betray their friends if given the right motive.
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I agree with you on this because it's true. Temptation will cause someone to betray Harry and if not it should be a reason.

If someone close to Harry was to betray them either because the offer they got was too good or their family was at stake then that person would have to trust Voldemort to keep his side of the bargin.

Harry didn't on PS when Voldemort offered him back his parents if he joined him.

one thing about Cho - she might be a book-smart Ravenclaw, but she isn't too clever concerning other things. Voldemort could influence her and make her think that without Harry, her dear Ceddric would still be alive. Harry acted strange (from her point of view), she clearly dislikes Hermione (I think there's more jealousy than just for Harry's sake; Hermione is the best student by far, making her the target for many others - for example Draco would probably ignore her more if he wouldn't hear all the time "How can you be worse in school than HER?!" from his father), and not that I think it will be so, but it could.

I believe the one person to betray Harry Potter could be either Ron, Cho and Percy. Both can very easily be manipulated by Voldemort as Ron could get jealous of Harry through the friendly relationship with Hermione and the excessive anger that Harry showed towards Ron all throughout OotP. I feel it might take a lot to patch up what happened between the trio during the 5th year and when you consider that Percy has also backstabed Harry, then it is difficult to trust Ron Weasleys statue and side.

I think Cho could betray Harry due to the sudden failure of Chos relationship with Harry and also the fact that Harry could not save Cedric in the first place. Cho could feel used by Harry for pushing in too soon after the death of Cedric. Voldemort could really play around with Cho on this one due to the simple fact that she was not there when Cedric died. Voldemort could pin the death on Harry to try and coax Cho into joining his side.

The most likely is Percy as he has already shown how far he will go to get power as the ministers right hand man. I have a feeling that if the Weasleys do not accept him back, then Percy may turn to Voldemort, if the dark lord offers him a position of power after the second war has been won. Pain might drive him towards all of this and lead him right into Voldemorts hands.

Back in 1999, right after book 3 first came out Rowling gave a interview and somebody asked when we’d learn more about Harry’s mother, she said:
“You’ll find out a lot more about her [lilly] in Book 5, or you’ll find out something very significant about her in Book 5”

And we did learn more about her, it turns out that Lilly hated her future husband James; but then she said something intriguing:
“then you’ll find out something incredibly important about her in Book 7.”

Here is my guess what we will see in book 7:
It turns out that James had his faults but compared to Lilly he was a saint. She stuck up for Snape just because she could not stand a lousy Grifendor picking on a fellow Slytherin. Contrary to what nearly everybody thought the protection in Harry’s blood came from James not Lilly. She did not save Harry, in reality she was the mother from hell and betrayed her husband and her son to Voldemort. She did not die, she changed her name and became a Death Eater. Her new name is Bellatrix Lestrange.

“Do you miss your mommy little baby Potter, do you suck your thumb and cry yourself to sleep at night? No need to weep, she has returned. I am your mother!”
“Nooo! That’s imposable!”
“search your feelings Harry, you know it is true.”

Eggplant

Here is my guess what we will see in book 7:
It turns out that James had his faults but compared to Lilly he was a saint. She stuck up for Snape just because she could not stand a lousy Grifendor picking on a fellow Slytherin. Contrary to what nearly everybody thought the protection in Harry’s blood came from James not Lilly. She did not save Harry, in reality she was the mother from hell and betrayed her husband and her son to Voldemort. She did not die, she changed her name and became a Death Eater. Her new name is Bellatrix Lestrange.

“Do you miss your mommy little baby Potter, do you suck your thumb and cry yourself to sleep at night? No need to weep, she has returned. I am your mother!”
“Nooo! That’s imposable!”
“search your feelings Harry, you know it is true.”

Eggplant

Hummmm interesting but I wonder where the hints are to make you come to this conclusion. Plus Harry remembers the night when the Dementors come and he remembers her pleading with Voldemort to spare Harry. Also Voldemort verifies this version a couple of times. Plus how would living with the Dursley's protect Harry at all if this theory were true? I don't know about it. It seems too much like Star Wars - "Luke I am your father." Interesting thought though.

Well here is something I asked a few posts ago and never answered. I wish someone would. If there is no trust do we count that as a betrayal against Harry? (Example Snape) Also if it is not on purpose but an accident is it really betraying harry? And is doing something for the greater good of the order really betraying Harry? Would Harry be opposed to dying if it meant everyone else could live without Voldemort? No one answered me. :sad: Feel free to or just ignore it! I was just hoping someone would help me figure this out.

And onto Percy... I noticed something strange last night while I was skimming a chapter in GoF - After the 2nd task, Percy seems to be REALLY worried about Ron and pulls him away after he gets out of the lake. I also was thinking about the letter in OotP - although it made me sick, it was still done with good intentions of protecting Ron. I wonder if Percy could turn on his family, Harry yes, family not so sure. I know I know he didnt visit his dad but that doesnt mean he didnt check on him or that he wasnt worrried, just that he was stubborn and pig-headed!

Whoa whoa...that is creepy. I have had a theory for a while now we may see another Ron fallout. Because of it Ron may do something while in a mood that puts Harry in danger, and he dies redeeming himself. That anagram fits into that theory in a very scary way. sorry..I can't remember who said that..but I definitely like it..in fact, I've been thinking along those lines myself for quite a while now...

Tonks is another great suggestion- I'm not sure what it is, but it seems to me that she can be easily convinced to do stuff (don't ask me where I got that from, it's just something I've always thought about her), so Voldemort may find it easy to turn her spy, etc. And the whole megamorphmagis (spellling?) thing..it would be so perfect.

I'm fighting with myself about this Ron theory. While a part of my mind is saying, 'Goblet of Fire! Think about how easily he turned his back on Harry!' the other part of me thinks that Ron values Harry's friendship too much.

Another thought that i don't really believe could be true but keep thinking about is-wait for it- Dumbledore. Now, before you all start yelling at me for making such a stupid suggestion, all I have to say is that I keep thinking back to that part in the fourth book when Harry is explaining to Dumbledore what happened in the graveyard with Voldemort:
"He said my blood would make him stronger than if he'd used someone else's," Harry told Dumbledore. "He said the protection my-my mother left in me- he'd have it, too. And he was right- he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face." For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes. But next second, Harry was sure he had imagined it, for when Dumbledore had returned to his seat behind the desk, he looked as old and weary as Harry had ever seen him.

But I really don't know. Perhaps no one will turn against Harry in the end. We'll just have to wait and see.

Another thought that i don't really believe could be true but keep thinking about is-wait for it- Dumbledore. Now, before you all start yelling at me for making such a stupid suggestion, all I have to say is that I keep thinking back to that part in the fourth book when Harry is explaining to Dumbledore what happened in the graveyard with Voldemort:
"He said my blood would make him stronger than if he'd used someone else's," Harry told Dumbledore. "He said the protection my-my mother left in me- he'd have it, too. And he was right- he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face." For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes. But next second, Harry was sure he had imagined it, for when Dumbledore had returned to his seat behind the desk, he looked as old and weary as Harry had ever seen him.



A lot of people have thought of DD turning on Harry but my one retort is this - he has a BILLION opportunities to kill off Harry or deliver him to Voldemort a day, why wait? And why change your personality after over a hundred years and to the DARK side? Its not as if Voldemort can offer DD anything more than he can get for himself!

We see snape as a double agent why is there not a double agent in the order? I think it is Moody here are my reasons:1) Quirrell fought alot of bad stuff and became possed by LV. Moody has fought 1000 times what quirrell fought. So there might be some foreshadowing there. 2) Moody shows Harry the old picture of the order and mentions how few are left could this be a hidden threat. 3) We have already seen 1 bad Moody so one would assume the true Moody would be safe. <---- incorrect assumption 4) Moody seems over catious with how he carries out his job, we see similar actions with snape siding with Malfoy and Co. 5) Moody would be one of the most damaging characters to betray the order. 6) Moody is kinda evil looking-- we see a corilation between physical apearence and which side they are on.

This is just a feeling I have about Moody. I think JKR tries too hard to make Moody look safe but this is just my gut reaction.

Best wishes

We see snape as a double agent why is there not a double agent in the order? I think it is Moody here are my reasons:1) Quirrell fought alot of bad stuff and became possed by LV. Moody has fought 1000 times what quirrell fought. So there might be some foreshadowing there. 2) Moody shows Harry the old picture of the order and mentions how few are left could this be a hidden threat. 3) We have already seen 1 bad Moody so one would assume the true Moody would be safe. <---- incorrect assumption 4) Moody seems over catious with how he carries out his job, we see similar actions with snape siding with Malfoy and Co. 5) Moody would be one of the most damaging characters to betray the order. 6) Moody is kinda evil looking-- we see a corilation between physical apearence and which side they are on.

This is just a feeling I have about Moody. I think JKR tries too hard to make Moody look safe but this is just my gut reaction.

Best wishes

Well, there's no reason that there should have to be a double agent in the Order. However, you make a very good argument for Moody being a double agent. Very insightful, even if you turn out to be wrong (which I would certainly like, as I like Moody). I'll be keeping my eye on Moody.

I think that Moody has to be overly cautious. He's put so many people away in Azkaban that there's no doubt that he probably has made a few enemies. He kind of has nochoice to act so paranoid all the time. He's always on his guard bc there's no telling what could happen. I think that it's just a natural instinct for an Auror like Moody. He's the last person that I would expect to betray the Order given what we know about him.

I wouldn't say there is a direct correlation to someone's appearance and the side they fight for. Hagrid is by no means attractive, and fights for "The Good side". Likewise, Tom Riddle was apparently very attractive (and I believe Lucius is meant to be attractive as well) and fights for the "bad side". [Draco, doesn't count because the character in the book, is not supposed to look as appealing as young girls seem to find Tom Felton]

Regarding Moody and his paranoia, it's only paranoia when you're wrong about everyone being out to get you, if everyone really is out to get you, it's precaution, wisdom, and preparation.

The theories that Tonks' clumsiness is all an act, and that she can't be trusted, hold more weight with me than any others I've heard about who may betray Harry/The Order.

I wouldn't say there is a direct correlation to someone's appearance and the side they fight for. Hagrid is by no means attractive, and fights for "The Good side". Likewise, Tom Riddle was apparently very attractive (and I believe Lucius is meant to be attractive as well) and fights for the "bad side". [Draco, doesn't count because the character in the book, is not supposed to look as appealing as young girls seem to find Tom Felton]

Regarding Moody and his paranoia, it's only paranoia when you're wrong about everyone being out to get you, if everyone really is out to get you, it's precaution, wisdom, and preparation.

The theories that Tonks' clumsiness is all an act, and that she can't be trusted, hold more weight with me than any others I've heard about who may betray Harry/The Order.

I agree about Tonks. I've ben suspicious of her from the beginning. I'd say you're right about Moody as well, and certainly agree that the correlation between looks and "side" is a weak argument, however, I thought that there were some interesting points made as well.
Of course, I don't want anyone to betray the order.

For the first 4 books, Neville was cast aside by many as the forgetful and slightly stupid kid who could never do anything right. In the fifth book, however, Neville became a more prominent character with his entry in the DA. He showed a surprising amount of courage in the Battle at the Ministry and many people that I have talked to agree that he will definitely play a larger role in the coming books. How will his new ties to the "group" effect the exisiting friendship with Ron, Harry and Hermione. Will he be accepted into their group, or remain just kind of close by?

I'm posing a hypothetical situation here: Imagine a group with Hermione, Ron, Harry and Neville. This sounds familiar to another certain group of friends we know; The Marauders. Hermione, the clever one, being Lupin , Harry the brave one being his father James and Ron the faithful sidekick with undying loyalty being Sirius. I'm not trying to bore you with similarities that you've probably already noticed, just keep reading!

We're missing a Marauder, right?

Aha! Neville. Again, i'm posing a situation that I may or may not believe, so the Neville lovers can take down their guard. I'm not sure how or if he will change after the fifth book, but could this be a repeat of the past Marauders? Supposing that Neville has not changed and is still kind of a weakling, could he be the future Peter Pettigrew, if accepted into the group? You have to admit, there are striking similarities between the Pettigrew and Neville for much of the series. Would he support his friends if put under extreme pressure under the Death Eaters or could he crack and potentially lead to the demise of Harry's world?

Or are we overlooking a potentially dangerous character? (Again I'm just looking at different situations, so please don't attack me!) While Ron Weasley has been Harry's friend since day one, we have seen Ron display some interesting behavior. We know from past arguements, especially ones in book 4, that Ron is somewhat jealous of Harry. If Neville's character develops more, will Ron be tempted by the power or fame he could potentially hold if he joins the Death Eaters?

I'm not going to consider Hermione, because she seems pretty stable. If she's ever had an arguement with Harry, she's usually just concerned about him and not jealous or anything.

Much of what we have known throughout the first four books of this series has changed dramatically. I feel that Harry's strong circle of friends that has been the most consistent throughout the books will take a serious blow in the coming books.

I agree about Tonks. I've ben suspicious of her from the beginning. I'd say you're right about Moody as well, and certainly agree that the correlation between looks and "side" is a weak argument, however, I thought that there were some interesting points made as well.
Of course, I don't want anyone to betray the order.

Th reason I brought looks up was because Lily was beautiful and she was morally sound if not the ideal. Also look at Crabb and Co (sans Malfoy (has pinched face)) they are obese. Not one slytherian is mentiones as ever having any nice physical traits. I know it is weak but it was just an idea.

I can't see Neville betraying the trio, not after what Bellatrix (Voldemort's #1 or #2 Death Eater) did to Neville's parents.

Ron I couldn't see either Ron is a Weasley through and through, and the Weasley's hate Voldemort and the Death Eaters (And any other fanatical Purebloods). Percy possibly could do this to a group of longtime friends (if he had any) due to his ambition and thirst for power/success, but, Ron isn't like that.

Of the three, Hermione is the only one I think we don't know enough about, that there is even the slimmest possibility of betrayal from (And I don't believe for a minute that she would betray the other 3 either)

There may be future rifts, or jealousy amongst the Trio (4, 5, or 6 of them) but none of them would betray the others to Voldemort and the Death Eaters, IMHO

Karaira, I go back to Lucius Malfoy and Tom Riddle, two of the most evil characters in the entire series so far, both of which are I believe very physically attractive.

For the first 4 books, Neville was cast aside by many as the forgetful and slightly stupid kid who could never do anything right. In the fifth book, however, Neville became a more prominent character with his entry in the DA. He showed a surprising amount of courage in the Battle at the Ministry and many people that I have talked to agree that he will definitely play a larger role in the coming books. How will his new ties to the "group" effect the exisiting friendship with Ron, Harry and Hermione. Will he be accepted into their group, or remain just kind of close by?

I'm posing a hypothetical situation here: Imagine a group with Hermione, Ron, Harry and Neville. This sounds familiar to another certain group of friends we know; The Marauders. Hermione, the clever one, being Lupin , Harry the brave one being his father James and Ron the faithful sidekick with undying loyalty being Sirius. I'm not trying to bore you with similarities that you've probably already noticed, just keep reading!

We're missing a Marauder, right?

Aha! Neville. Again, i'm posing a situation that I may or may not believe, so the Neville lovers can take down their guard. I'm not sure how or if he will change after the fifth book, but could this be a repeat of the past Marauders? Supposing that Neville has not changed and is still kind of a weakling, could he be the future Peter Pettigrew, if accepted into the group? You have to admit, there are striking similarities between the Pettigrew and Neville for much of the series. Would he support his friends if put under extreme pressure under the Death Eaters or could he crack and potentially lead to the demise of Harry's world?

Or are we overlooking a potentially dangerous character? (Again I'm just looking at different situations, so please don't attack me!) While Ron Weasley has been Harry's friend since day one, we have seen Ron display some interesting behavior. We know from past arguements, especially ones in book 4, that Ron is somewhat jealous of Harry. If Neville's character develops more, will Ron be tempted by the power or fame he could potentially hold if he joins the Death Eaters?

I'm not going to consider Hermione, because she seems pretty stable. If she's ever had an arguement with Harry, she's usually just concerned about him and not jealous or anything.

Much of what we have known throughout the first four books of this series has changed dramatically. I feel that Harry's strong circle of friends that has been the most consistent throughout the books will take a serious blow in the coming books.

I agree that Neville has the potential, as a weaker character, to "betray" Harry. However, Ron's jealousy of Harry could not prove a reason for him to turn against his family and everything he has believed in for longer than Harry or Hermione even knew about magic.
I might also add that Hermione might be influenced by some logic or threat to her family to betray Harry (Voldemort is clever, Hermione likes to think logically and look at "facts", it could happen), but that is something I have long since given up on (it may just be because she's a girl that I don't like her so much and I want to see her in a slightly less positive light, so I don't even know if it's fair to make this argument).
What's important is that Ron won't betray Harry. But then, maybe I'll eat those words someday (I hope not). I am not attacking you, but I do not want seeds of distrust for Ron to grow.
Your points about Neville are good. I think that one can off the top of one's head think of many scenarios in which Neville may help the other side, even if not in a Pettigrew manner (which I know is what you are saying, and I do agree that that may happen as well).
That wasn't the most cohesive post. I do apologize. I wish I could just sit back and wait for the next books without worrying myself like this, but I don't think I can.

I dont think anyone will betray him. Certanly not Neville, he looks up to Harry alot, because Harry is who helped him become the person he his. If anyone ws to betray anyone I think it would be Percy the prefect.

Does it have to be a friend? It could be an enemy who backstabs Harry and the consequences could be just as devastating. I'm thinking about someone like Dudley or Draco Malfoy.

It would certainly be heart-wrenching to see a friend of Harry's betray him. If I had to suggest a name, for the purposes of the story and the purposes of character development, I would suggest Ron Weasley. However, I can't see why he would deliberately betray Harry. The only way that I can see this happen is if he gets tricked into it by someone he trusts. Maybe a member of the Order who is secretly a spy for Voldemort?

Then again, it could be Hermione. She could also fall into the trap of being tricked by someone she trust. As a result, she betrays Harry in some way. I seriously cannot see her doing such a thing on purpose. I just can see any motives. She has too strong of a sense of justice and goodness. Having said that, I doubt we'll see her do anything of this sort after OOTP. In OOTP, she even had the sense to be wary of someone like Sirius Black. I guess I just shot my own theory to ...

Another likely candidate in my mind is a Gryffindor student in Harry's year. This would not have as strong an impact, though, compared to a "Ron" betrayal.




maybe vicktor krum is bad or something, and will make hermione betray harry without wanting too!

oh, and by the way, happy new year every1!

Cho Chang. Maybe she will so upset about Cedric's death that she will turn bad or she will be mad at Harry and try to hurt him wihtout realising it until it is too late.

I've been voting for Cho Chang ever since the very release of OotP as the one to backstab Harry.
(Although very few people agreed at that time)
JK would have someone of some importance and value to Harry to have turn his/her back against Harry
Dumbledore is too just to do anything to turn against Harry
Ron and Hermione: I think JK would rather kill them off the book than have them turn against Harry
McGonagall: Same reason as Dumbledore
Mr + Mrs Weasley: Considering what we've seen from them in the 5 books, they would never do anything like that
Cho Chang: All we know about her is that she has black hair, popular, went to Yule Ball with Cedric Diggory, is a seeker for Ravenclaw Quidditch Team, and that Harry used to fancy her. She is so vulnerable and fragile (according to how the book describes her). Anyone, such as Lucius Malfoy or one of the death eaters could easily turn her. She cries a lot in OotP, but it sounds so... fake. It wasn't like Cedric Diggory was her fiance or something, and yet she weeps for him for a whole year. (My guess is that it was mainly to get attentions from Harry, etc.). She is Harry's first crush ever, and things like that are hard to forget or ignore whether you continue to care about that person or not. She does have enough value for Harry to be of some effect to him should she ever betray him, and she has not been proven for certain of any sort of characteristics (as she has not been of much importance towards the plot of the books) which makes her a popular candidate for the backstabbing. JK wouldn't have written Harry drooling after Cho for 3 years just to have her 'fade away'; she would either end up with Harry (which seems highly unlikely now) or she would do something against Harry, in my opinion. JK mentions things for a reason and if Cho had enough value to appear in the last three books (PoA, GoF, OotP) continuously and has not yet had a significant role within Harry(the main character)'s life, my belief is that she would in either book 6, 7 or both.


Edit: I really think that Dumbledore turning against Harry would be equally devastating as the book 7 ending with something like 'Harry woke up suddenly and realized that the past 7 years had been just dream and that he was lying in the cupboard'. or something. :D

Hmmm... most likely to betray Harry.... I don't think that any of his friends will... but Voldermort is a powerful wizard and a great legimens himself... I don't think they'll betray him on purpose...

lupinlover
wow, i was just thinking about that. Neville, yeah. He's kind of unstable...
i mean he'll probably get real mad or something.
but i can't see it because he's a gryffindor, and gryffindors are loyal....wait, wasn't Peter a gyrffindor?? hmmmm, see? there are traitors in all houses.

Neville could get jealous that Harry gets all the girls because he likes Hermione and Ginny. (okay, i dunno--just guessing) and so he'll snap or something. Something will make him go over the edge. Scary. i like Neville but his unstability is a bit scary.

im more thinking Ron because he is always shadowed by Harry. Think about it

-Harry's rich, Ron's poor
-Harry's famous, Rons's known only as "Harrys friend"
-Harry's smart with spells, Ron can't even do wingardium leviosa properly
-People respect Harry, people think weasley collectivly no identity

Ron has been out shined all his life from brothers, Harry, Hermione. I think somethings going to tip him off too much and Ron decides to make his own fame instead. Voldermort probably promises him riches power fame everything......

What i think is that HAGRID will be the back stabber. It cos' remember how Hagrid hesitated before answering Harry as to what he was doing in Knockturn Alley when he "SAVED" Harry in CoS. That sounds fishey to me as if what i was doing was legal or right, i would not hesitate to tell people what i am doing. But if is something wrong, i will try to change the story or make something up. VERY FISHEY TO ME>>>........

Hi everyone,
First post, so here goes.


I bet it will be Ron. We all know what he saw in the Mirror of Erised.
We also saw how much it bothered him when after Harry's name
came out of the Goblet. While he probably knew deep down that Harry was telling the truth, his jealousy and resentment allowed him to choose
to believe otherwise. When Harry was in some confrontation (cant
remember exactly) with the Slytherins and their "Potter Stinks!" buttons
he just stood aside.

My point is that at the end of OOTP, Ron is starting to shine.
At some point Ron has to believe that no longer are his deepest desires
some schoolboy dream or fantasy but something attainable.
He knows what its like to be the center of attention, being prefect,
hearing the crowd cheer his name after winning the quidditch
house cup and all the attention that comes with it. Everyone wants to
hear his stories and he never had a problem embellishing. He tries to get
even more attention by messing up his hair.

The problem is that Harry wasnt in the equation, either as a punishment
or for his own good, he has been on the sidelines. Well I think that the path
to betrayal will be when he is edged into the shadow again when Harry
becomes Head Boy, star Seeker, and the school "celebrity". The difference
between his jealousy then is that he has never known what it was like to be the
star. Ron will start to think if there was no Harry, it would be him shaking
DD's hand like in the mirror. Then as resentment builds up and he falls
farther behind he will see Harry as the obstacle to his dreams.

Also ever notice Ron's clothes (pajamas, socks, sweater) are always
maroon? Crazy but its like hes being marooned, abandoned or left behind.

What i think is that HAGRID will be the back stabber. It cos' remember how Hagrid hesitated before answering Harry as to what he was doing in Knockturn Alley when he "SAVED" Harry in CoS. That sounds fishey to me as if what i was doing was legal or right, i would not hesitate to tell people what i am doing. But if is something wrong, i will try to change the story or make something up. VERY FISHEY TO ME>>>........
That is kinda fishy but Hagrid... betraying Harry... He's not the type to do that... to anyone, plus if he did that he's betraying Dumbledore and Dumbledore is like his father. Please I reckon his at knockturn alley because he's getting some illegal magical creatures there... and he hesitated because it's illegal...

Neville to betray Harry... Not likely... I mean after all that he went through, seeing his parents like that... I mean come on! If there's one person who is really the most unfortunate person in the story it's Neville (having mentally ill parents among other things). I think Neville will shine in the future books... come on... have a heart... look at the boy...

Now Ron betraying Harry... well... I guess it's possible... he's the most vulnerable person in the trio. He envy Harry and all, he seeks attention and all... And maybe her liking for Hermione will trigger that... When Harry and Hermione get together... Maybe Voldemort will possess Ron...

marietta- it already happened, does that count?

[COLOR=Red]About the Past repating its self it is a bit predictable,and I really dont think she go with anything like that. . . But if she does this is how I see it. . . .


Hermione- If I were writing a betrayal she would be it. Frist you would not expect it. I mean the reason Brutus was able to betray and kill Ceaser was becasue he was so very close to him. Herminone is a perfect literary brutus. You have to consdier this she has never actually been put into a point where she would be tempted by power or other things. We do not know how she would act. Break it down even further she has a Percyish style personality. My guess is her true test will come in the 7th book somehow. Now consdier she does date Krum who was raised in the dark arts. I mean she has always been an outsider among the students in a way being a muggle born, how would she act if given a chance to be treated like the rest. Plus it would be a really good plot tiwst. . .


Ron another good choice, he's proved he wants to be famous in his own right. And like herminone he really never has been tempted, and it would be a good plot twsist. But really with Percy already pretty much well on his way to old VodlyI really look for him to stay good like her mionoe. BUt who knows he could betray over love.


Ginny really I think shes a non issue shes been used by Voldy beofre and she did not like it, so unless he can posess her agian she wont conciously betray him.


Neville is another I dont see betraying Harry either this whole thing with Vodlermort like with Ginny is just to personal. Plus we all would look at them beofre R and H. If there is a big betrayal in book seven it will have to be from a major player.


Magonagall(sp) I would not bet on her DD made her his second in command I dont think he, but if I were writing it I would not take it off the table.

Ernie MacMillin Yeah hes on the list.

Percy I think he will be a DD before its said and done.

Cho- Yeah I can see that, shes soo the type.

Tonks- I really dont think so. Shes toooo clumsy.

Luna Lovegood- Hard to tell I would need more information than we have to make that guess. But she is on the table as well.

Of course woh ever it could be I would bet it would be someone most would not consider and it would have to be detramental to Harry. [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]

Aside from Ron, I really think that Snape is the number one candidate. I can see him torn between Voldemort and Harry, as the old saying goes "OLD HABITS ARE HARD TO DIE". I think that Ron said it best... "what's the proof that he already shift sides?' And sure they've suspected him tons of times and never proved it but i think it's just a way for JKR to make us trust Snape and look the other way. Some wounds are just to deep to heal.

Cho most definitely is Number One Suspect.

Ron, I don't think so, he's now the Gryffindor Keeper, he's got his own admirers for helping Gryffindor lift the Cup. He no longer has to crave the centre of attention he did not have. But if ... Harry + Hermione + Love = Angry Ron

Hermione, No.

Other people ... Seamus maybe. But one twist I can see is Hagrid but very small chance their.

im more thinking Ron because he is always shadowed by Harry. Think about it

-Harry's rich, Ron's poor
-Harry's famous, Rons's known only as "Harrys friend"
-Harry's smart with spells, Ron can't even do wingardium leviosa properly
-People respect Harry, people think weasley collectivly no identity

Ron has been out shined all his life from brothers, Harry, Hermione. I think somethings going to tip him off too much and Ron decides to make his own fame instead. Voldermort probably promises him riches power fame everything......

very well put! but after considering it for a while (Ron was always my first guess), I think that he will be tempted, but in the end, he'll stick to his friends, and the good side on the whole. but you outlined it perfectly; I think JKR developed him to that point exactly (you know, all the "what's good and what's easy" stuff).

It wouldn't fit in with Hermione's character to betray Harry. For one thing JKR sees Hermione as herself at the ages of 11-18. For another, Hermione is the type to do the right thing no matter what. Remember when she told McGonagal about the Firebolt in Prisoner of Azkaban?

Originally Posted by Scabbers
im more thinking Ron because he is always shadowed by Harry. Think about it

-Harry's rich, Ron's poor
-Harry's famous, Rons's known only as "Harrys friend"
-Harry's smart with spells, Ron can't even do wingardium leviosa properly
-People respect Harry, people think weasley collectivly no identity

Ron has been out shined all his life from brothers, Harry, Hermione. I think somethings going to tip him off too much and Ron decides to make his own fame instead. Voldermort probably promises him riches power fame everything......

I disagree with most of this

Ron is not poor. When there were 5 Weasley children living at home, money was indeed tight, but I don't think it was ever poor, I think it was lower middle class. Percy has now moved out, and there is no more expense related to him. The twins are now out of school, and have a thriving business of their own, and seem to be sharing their profits with the family. That leaves only 2 children at home and in school to support, where there were up to 5 before. Money should no longer be nearly as tight, so I would think the Weasleys would at least now be Middle Class or Upper Middle Class. Harry is not Rich, we've been given the impression (or at least I have interpretted it this way), that Harry has enough money to get through school, and to help start a life after school, I do not see it as he has so much money he'll never have to work.

Ron is gaining his own fame. He is now a Prefect and Quidditch Keeper, and his last game scored him noteriety. This is actually the best time in Ron's life as far as having his own identity and and being acknowledged for his accomplishments. He is on his way to achieving everything he desired in the Mirror of Erised scene.

We are given the impression that Ron and Harry are about equivalent in their school work, with the exception of Harry probably being a bit better at DADA. Ron conquered Wingardium Leviosa in the first book.

Harry has had a complete roller Coaster ride as far as being respected. At times viewed as a God, but at other times viewed as a major Pariah. Ron's self-Identity is growing, and has been a smooth increase, not ups and downs.

The only reasons I can see for Ron turning on Harry and betraying him, is Voldemort's side blackmailing him with danger to the other Weasleys or if Harry and Hermione were to become romantically involved (which I don't really see happening, and if it did, I still don't see Ron turning on Harry in a betrayal)

And then of course there is against his will via Imperius Curse.

For the first 4 books, Neville was cast aside by many as the forgetful and slightly stupid kid who could never do anything right. In the fifth book, however, Neville became a more prominent character with his entry in the DA. He showed a surprising amount of courage in the Battle at the Ministry and many people that I have talked to agree that he will definitely play a larger role in the coming books. How will his new ties to the "group" effect the exisiting friendship with Ron, Harry and Hermione. Will he be accepted into their group, or remain just kind of close by?

I'm posing a hypothetical situation here: Imagine a group with Hermione, Ron, Harry and Neville. This sounds familiar to another certain group of friends we know; The Marauders. Hermione, the clever one, being Lupin , Harry the brave one being his father James and Ron the faithful sidekick with undying loyalty being Sirius. I'm not trying to bore you with similarities that you've probably already noticed, just keep reading!

We're missing a Marauder, right?

Aha! Neville. Again, i'm posing a situation that I may or may not believe, so the Neville lovers can take down their guard. I'm not sure how or if he will change after the fifth book, but could this be a repeat of the past Marauders? Supposing that Neville has not changed and is still kind of a weakling, could he be the future Peter Pettigrew, if accepted into the group? You have to admit, there are striking similarities between the Pettigrew and Neville for much of the series. Would he support his friends if put under extreme pressure under the Death Eaters or could he crack and potentially lead to the demise of Harry's world?



Like Lupinlovers post, I am intrigued by this formation but if I can disagree just a bit....because I've already considered this optional theory:
There is James/Sirius/Lupin/Lily/Wormtail/Snape ....parallels:

Hermione/Harry/Ron/Neville/Draco/Luna (I dont know why I put Luna in there but she's like Lupin--loopy and smart)

There are 6 vs. 6 from the original.
Why Draco, well, thats another theory.

Now unto the betrayal, which is only by the clues I've picked up recently by reading GoF again.
Peter Pettigrew/Neville Longbottom comparison. Also, Pettigrew was a Gryffindor and went to the dark side. And unless I'm very much mistaken, Pettigrew had the same forgetful, following personality of Neville.
here in p.177 GoF:

Trelawney suggests that Harry was born in the planet Saturn (winter) and Harry says, no, he's sun (July), Leo=Sun.
This gives me the impression (Neville)-Saturn: the planet of restriction...what "restricts"him??
Description that Trelawney gives: dark hair, mean stature, AND tragic losses, so young in life, goes again to Neville....just like Harry (marks them both but Voldemort chooses Harry to kill)
p. 196, GoF:
Planet Mercury (changeable, mercurial, properties of Mercury)
In this page, suggestions of "stabbed in the back by a friend" forboding of Wormtail.
Because ...Harry suggests, Venus is in the 12th house...(number 12= Draco, why? Look at SS and see the clues to number 12, suggested always to Draco),
Venus= Love...Hermione/Ginny.
We all know Neville liked these two girls.

So where am I going with this?
I dont'know...just read the clues. :)
And i agree with lupinslover about the similarities of Neville/Wormtail.
You guys have to guess similarities between the rest of the pack. :)

I would say Colin because although he is not Harry's greatest friend it's not like Harry hates him or anything and he seems so much like Pettigrew (in fact almost like a modern day Pettigrew, always tagging along being a bit annoying) and when you least expect it he does something. Kind of like how Pettigrew always followed James and seemed to be annoying.

I would say Colin because although he is not Harry's greatest friend it's not like Harry hates him or anything and he seems so much like Pettigrew (in fact almost like a modern day Pettigrew, always tagging along being a bit annoying) and when you least expect it he does something. Kind of like how Pettigrew always followed James and seemed to be annoying.
I dont think so, Peter would do anything for a bit of power. We don't even know anything about colin, it wouldn't even really shock me because I dont think me ( maybe dunno?) or you are emotionally attached to this character. She would therefore, have to introduce this character as a minor one (at least) in the 6th book, then make him almost a major character. I just don't see her doing that because if the character hasn't been introduced as even a minor one, they aren't important to the story line.

As far as who will betray Harry? It definately won't be anyone really really close to Harry, WHy? DD can see right through them im sure. If its anyone who would betray them , they would have to be under the Imperius Curse. Maybe somone has been under one the whole time they have been with Harry.

I would say Colin because although he is not Harry's greatest friend it's not like Harry hates him or anything and he seems so much like Pettigrew (in fact almost like a modern day Pettigrew, always tagging along being a bit annoying) and when you least expect it he does something. Kind of like how Pettigrew always followed James and seemed to be annoying.

My problem is that I don't see how Colin could betray Harry, I mean Colin is such an no-identity in the books, he was the classic fan-boy of the famous Hero.
I don't really see the parallel between Colin/Pettigrew, there's a big difference between this two characters: Colin isn't close to Harry while Pettigrew was close to James. James trusted Pettigrew enough to put in his hands is own life, I fail to see where Harry trusted Colin, he barely pay attention to Colin.

I hope that no one will betray Harry, plus I don't see someone that "could" betray him, they're all loyal to Harry.

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I haven't read the whole thread yet, so please don't flame if I'm repeating something.
I think Hermione could be the backstabber if there's going to be one. Remember what she did with the Firebolt? She went directly to Prof. McG. about it and had the wrath of Harry and Ron on her head for it. She doesn't mean to do him *harm*, but it's her do-gooder-better-safe-than-sorry attitude which may lead her to more serious back stabbing.
And while I'm on Hermione's case, I thought I'd mention as a D/Hr shipper that *IF* Draco and Hermione do get together, Harry would most likely not take that well and treat her as a backstabber.

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so please don't flame if I'm repeating something.
I think Hermione could be the backstabber if there's going to be one. Remember what she did with the Firebolt? She went directly to Prof. McG. about it and had the wrath of Harry and Ron on her head for it. She doesn't mean to do him *harm*, but it's her do-gooder-better-safe-than-sorry attitude which may lead her to more serious back stabbing.
And while I'm on Hermione's case, I thought I'd mention as a D/Hr shipper that *IF* Draco and Hermione do get together, Harry would most likely not take that well and treat her as a backstabber.

I would have to disagree with you on this, Terri,
I feel it's someone else because of clue evidence but otherwise, it is a pretty nice theory but shes basically not really backstabbing him if she does that. Shes actually doing that out of their own good. So this wouldn't really directly *hurt* them. The person who betrays Harry is out for serious harm, even death.

I would have to disagree with you on this, Terri,
I feel it's someone else because of clue evidence but otherwise, it is a pretty nice theory but shes basically not really backstabbing him if she does that. Shes actually doing that out of their own good. So this wouldn't really directly *hurt* them. The person who betrays Harry is out for serious harm, even death.
Well, yes, I concede that she does this for his own good. However, the potential is there. Look at the Marauders. Wormtail was with James, Sirius and Remus through thick and thin. *IF* someone's going to betray Harry, it's going to be along the same pattern.
just my 0.02€ ;)

The potentional is not there. Hermione places too much stock in ethical and moral behaviour to ever do something like that to a friend. She has too much sense.
Peter betrayed his friends because he's weak, cowardice and just plain didn't know any better. Anyone with sense would've seen what a huge mistake that was. Peter isn't calculating so he just didn't have the heart to realise this.
Hermione has both. If anyone betrays Harry it's going to be someone else. It'll still hurt like Marietta going to Umbridge. It doesn't have to be his best friend for it to be a betrayal.

I don't see Harry as being betrayed. The sides are drawn. People have already shown where they stand. I think that anyone wavering will stick with Harry as he has already survived Voldemort once. Most of them do not know that it was Lily's sacrifice. All they know is that Harry survived. They probably think that he can do it again. As for those close to him, none of them are going to betray him. He is very good at picking friends. They are they brave, loyal type.

Did Marietta's betrayal really hurt you, Weatherby? I found it rather relieving to see that the one who turned on Harry was someone so unrelated to him and his friends. But that also makes me certain that the REAL BIG BETRAYAL will be from someone we'd never expect because we trust them.

An interesting question is if the person who betrays Harry will have been a Voldemort suporter for a long time, and has all the time (or nearly all the time) just pretended to be good etc. to get Harry to trust him/her, or of the potential berayer is now good, against Voldemort etc. but will later turn to Voldemort.

If it's the first, it could technically be any of Harry friends (including *gasp* Ron and Hermione, yes) who is a stunning actor, and therefore could give a remarkable and believable impression as a friend. However, I doubt, if that's the case, that any real major character will be the one to have been evil all the time, since that person (Ron, Hermione, Hagrid..) will have had thousands of ways to kill Harry already, and not used any.

If it's the other way, that someone who's now a true friend will turn evil and betray Harry, I can't see any of Harry's close friends doing it either (even though it's possible I guess) and definately not Hermione, almost as definately not Ron. As Weatherby said, Hermione has too much ethical and moral sence to to something even remotely close to it. Ron.. well he's ambitious and isn't that fond of standing in Harry's shadow (remember the Mirror of Erised, anyone?), but he's still an incredibly loyal, brave and true friend, far beyond doing anything like that.

Snape has to be a pretty good bet, I'm afraid. I hope he doesn't, but JKR's remarks about not getting too keen on him do suggest he might turn bad again.

Snape has to be a pretty good bet, I'm afraid. I hope he doesn't, but JKR's remarks about not getting too keen on him do suggest he might turn bad again.

Naa, hopefully she only said so because she wants to distract us, as always! She put much fondness in her description of him; I'd say she likes him - she can't let him fall off that edge! :scared:

Ron has been saying that Snape is bad for so long that Harry and Hermione are starting to roll their eyes (so to speak) when he says so. As readers, I think that we are supposed to do the same thing. Which is why I think that in the end, Snape will betray Harry.

Thanks to Barbara Kennedy for pointing me here. :)

Like I said in the other topic, I do think Ron will be the one to betray Harry. Why?

I think that Ron, in his neverending quest to make himself, those around him and his parents proud of him and constantly living in the shadow of the Famous Harry Potter, will end up falling for something. I think his weakness (if anyone wants examples, let me know and I can go searching) is how much he wants to achieve even though he was always struck me as an "average" wizard. If something is disguised well enough as a gift or a power or something to Ron, I believe he will inevitably betray Harry.

It will be someone or something we wont expected and it will look like an obvious person like Snape or Mung who is of questionable character. Persons who might fit this description:

Colin Creevy
Tonks
Kingsley
Luna (not out of malice but because of some wild belief)

It could be a ravenclaw but not a Hufflepuff:

Also:

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Trevor the toad (making Neville look the traitor)
Peeves (as he can turn invisible)
a house elf (not doby)

Cho Chang. She seems like the perfect target. She has a special relationship with Harry, she was Harry's first kisss, and even though they're not exactly on speaking terms right now, Harry adores her. Voldemort would definately think of Cho as the perfect target. Especcially since Cho is so vulnerable right now, it's easy to take advantage of her. I know, it could all be in my head.. but she just seems like the perfect choice..

After her, to me, anybody is a possibility.. from Dobby to Snape (don't kill me!)

If Cho started dating Draco things could get messy with Harry. Draco would eat it up.

Aurorslayer - I don't understand. In case Cho DID date Draco (do you really think that likely? In both directions?), Harry would have as much faith in her as in Draco himself - NONE. A traitor can per definitionem only be who is close and secretly turns away, not somebody that is your declared arch-enemy, or their official companions.
And what would Draco eat? :scared:

oh, and Dottie! Yes, please, give us some more details on your idea. :agree:

Snape will definitely not betray Harry. He and Dumbledore had some secret pact going on. I remembered in one of the book, when Harry questioned about Snape, Dumbledore said that it is between him and Prof. Snape.

Ron could be a possibility. Ron may be does so to save his own skin.

Ghost
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Trevor the toad (making Neville look the traitor)
Peeves (as he can turn invisible)
a house elf (not doby)

If trevor's betrayal would make Neville look like a traitor, hasn't Ron then already betrayed Harry unwittingly? It seems that he shouldn't have to go that route (betrayal) again. I see this as further proof that Ron will not turn against Harry. I think the only betrayal we can expect from him is a possible lack of emotional support, some negativity and doubt. He is firmly on the side of the good, though.