Dumbledore's Army, more meetings in the Future?

Hey guys...

I've searched and searched and searched and eventually came up with two thread about this but that two threads doesn't seem to correspond with what i am going to start here. So mods if you think that this will be closed or merged please feel free to do so. You guys know better. ;)

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So here it is.

My question is: Do you think the Trio would still meet the DA members for meetings? :shrug: I mean, sure the members would really like to have some DA meetings but what about the Trio?

The trio would still be deciding to pursue these matters. Especially what happened during their fifth years. How much trouble it caused when Marietta told someone about it that the trio woould not probably be risking anyones life. :agree:

I also think that the Ravenclaws got angry with Hermione when the curse that hit Marietta was very strong. Maybe the DA members will now be afraid that they will be cursed by Hermione also. I mean everyone knows Hermione's capabilties. :eyebrows:

So what do you guys think? :)

Cheers :D

Aze :p

welll i dont know if there will still be DA meetings, i mean i think some of the members will ask them to i.e. Neville wanting the trio to still teach him DA stuff, but im not entierly sure they would be,

i think there mite be a more offical class like the school will maybe like the thing they did in CoS! but i dont know,

mayeb JK will leave that stuff sometimes there is just no point predicting what she thinks. but its always cool thinking wot she is gonna do next.

but good theory!

I think it'll depend on who's the DADA teacher next year. I mean, in OotP they needed extra tuition because Umbridge was complete useless.

In the next book they won't feel the need to carry on with the DA meetings if they're taught properly DADA by a competent teacher.

I think DD will make sure they get a decent teacher, who knows maybe Snape will finale get his wish.

If they dont get a good teacher they will countie, DD proabably wouldnt care so they wouldnt be at risk to get into trouble

I think DD will make sure they get a decent teacher, who knows maybe Snape will finale get his wish.

If they dont get a good teacher they will countie, DD proabably wouldnt care so they wouldnt be at risk to get into trouble

Well, don't be too sure that Snape would be a component teacher... there is a reason why Snape has been denied of that position so many times.

I hope they'll get a qualified DADA teacher. It would be nice to have Lupin back, or someone like Moody, but we really don't know.

Three of five teachers have been absolutely terrible - that's not a very good success rate, and the pool of available teachers is getting smaller and smaller, so for some reason I don't think they will find a teacher that will be able to do all that much good for the DA.

I think that even if they do get a good teacher next year they miht want to continue with the DA because they might want to learn things that aren't taught in class. I don't think they'd have learned about patronuses normally, for example.

Who knows, maybe the next teacher will want them to practice the spells he teaches them in their free time and they could use the DA to do that. After all they're really behind in DADA because they've had so many bad teachers.

If Moony is really coming back. Do you think then that they would continue the DA and they would seek help from Lupin.

But do you think Lupin will gladly help them? :)

I think DD will make sure they get a decent teacher, who knows maybe Snape will finale get his wish.

If they dont get a good teacher they will countie, DD proabably wouldnt care so they wouldnt be at risk to get into trouble

There's a another thread going (which for the life of me I cant remember its title!) about Snape and the datda job......it is theorised that the reason he may not be able for the job as he cannot produce a patronus....after all you need a happy memory and does Snape have any at all???

Myself I'm not so sure about the continued DA meetings, maybe they could be carried out in a more casual way, after all the whole reason for them in the first place as that Fudge didn't believe DD so now he knows hopefully a powerful wizard/witch will get the job.

When reading Prof Aze. point it struck me again that Hermonie is becomming a very powerful witch....she knows charms and spells that are NEWT standards, Hagrid has praised her and she is top of nearly every class she takes. I wonder would she need to be watched? will the power go to her head? could Voldie possibly take over Hermionie and use her to his advantage, I mean it would be perfect, a strong witch in Harrys "inner circle" of friends that he could use agianst Harry and DD as well as the rest of the school

Liselle

I think that the DA will continue, or at least i hope it will. I mean, yes, it did cause a lot of problems in the 5th book, but that was because it was forbiden. I am sure that Dumbledore would not forbid it once he is back in charge.

(by the way, i hope Snape does end up getting the DADA teaching job, because then he would find nothing bad to say about Harry's work, and Harry would be able to pass potions!) :)

Hiya Liselle. ON what you said about Hermione. You do have a point there you know. Becuase if ever Voldemort would know about Hermione as the best in Harry's year, i am pretty sure that she will be Voldemorts number 1 target. Then after it would be very easy to let Hermione do all his works for him. It will not suspect them since Hermione is a smart and rule-abiding girl. And not to mention that she is a prefect and will soon be a Head Girl at Hogwarts. :)

I think that the DA meeting will continue mainly because they are probably further along than what they'd be taught. I mean, the rest of the students are going to really need some review time this next year after being subjected to Umbridge all year.

Even if they aren't ahead of the others, then I still think they will continue because I think that Harry is going to need to be practicing more and more difficult spells. He needs that if he's going to defeatr Voldie and he knows it now.

Now, as for who will be in the DA now, I'm just not sure. If the rest besides the trio remain they will know one thing for sure. Don't be a snitch!

surely with voldy back defence will be stepped up anyway!?

surely with voldy back defence will be stepped up anyway!?

maybe, but with a proper defense against the dark arts teacher there is no need for DA to continue in its present state...maybe it will be expanded as a club for who ever wants it as it no longer needs to be secret

I'm still on Hermionies brilliance with the galleon and its similarity to the deatheaters dark mark......

Liselle

Proper DADA teacher means no more secret DA meetings? That could be sad you know. Then there would no more galleons burning in their pockets. I mean if it would become a club that means it's already legal. Then they will have proper moderators for it. Is that right?

I wish I knew how the school is going during the war. I mean, shouldn't they have a very good DADA teacher now, when they all could be targets of DE?
And I don't know if Harry would like to lead those meeting any more, now, when he knows a lot more about what is his destiny and when he lost his last father/brother alike person :-(

I think they will keep the galleons. And they will probably have, at the least, one more meeting, just to determine whether or not they feel the need to continue their secret training. But they will always keep the group intact, in case it is ever needed in the future. But yes, it depends on the teacher whether or not they will want to continue.

A lot of people are saying they will get a good DADA teacher this year, but how can they if nobody's up for the job? And if there was a club, I'd think it would be taught by the DADA teacher, just teaching more advanced things that they won't cover in class. If it continues, I don't think Harry will stay as leader.

I have to agree with Katy. Harry can't stay as the leader of the group if ever the DA will become a club. Becuase if it becomes a club then like i said before they will have a moderator who will teach them. Not Harry. The moderator will take care of them all.

I have to agree with Katy. Harry can't stay as the leader of the group if ever the DA will become a club. Becuase if it becomes a club then like i said before they will have a moderator who will teach them. Not Harry. The moderator will take care of them all.

Snape maybe? :huh:

I have to agree with Katy. Harry can't stay as the leader of the group if ever the DA will become a club. Becuase if it becomes a club then like i said before they will have a moderator who will teach them. Not Harry. The moderator will take care of them all.

I cant see how DA will continue, it doesn't need to continue now that its legal and (We assume) that Hogwarts will get a proper DATDA teacher, you know maybe Snape will get the job this time round seeing as candidates are few and far between...it would be easier to get a new potions master I'm assuming.

I think it could be broadened to a club as I said previously (a bit like the dueling club only more successful!) or like the gobstones club which was student run...maybe more likely that it will end up in this format.

I'm re-reading the COS at the moment and I noticed that "conjuring portable waterproof fires was a speciality of Hermionies", I wonder if we will see them agian and the charmed galleons too.

Liselle

The meetings will probably continue, but they'll lose the edge that comes from breaking all the rules. One of the main things I liked about this - aside from giving Harry a safe place to vent all that anger and honing his leadership abilities - was all the risk-taking and sneaking around that was required!

What if Snape becomes the moderator of the club? Will you allow him to? I mean if he gets the position of moderator of the club. Then that means people from Slytherin will join since Snape was the one teaching them. But since the old DA had already practiced a lot, then they would let the Slytherins suffer. :elaugh:

I don't htink there will be anymore D.A meetings, seeing asd Dumbledore knows aboyut it now, and the ministry knows that Voldemort is back, then theyu won't need to be..what was the expression um........"trained in combat" because the ministry will probably want everybody to be prepared if you nkow what i mean !!!!!!!!!!!!!( sorry if anybody has already said this)

I don't htink there will be anymore D.A meetings, seeing asd Dumbledore knows aboyut it now

I think that Dumbledore knew about the DA from the very beginning as Mundungus obviously(sp?) told the order about what he heard in The Hogs Head

I think that Dumbledore knew about the DA from the very beginning as Mundungus obviously(sp?) told the order about what he heard in The Hogs Head
Agreed. :agree: But I have a question, how was Mundungus in the Hog's Head before Harry ever got there and he was supposed to be following Harry? Did he know that that's where they were going or did he decide to take care of "important business" again and slack off the job? :p

Agreed. :agree: But I have a question, how was Mundungus in the Hog's Head before Harry ever got there and he was supposed to be following Harry? Did he know that that's where they were going or did he decide to take care of "important business" again and slack off the job? :p

more than likely knowing mundungus!

Or maybe there is someone who informs the order what they're up to? Hermy maybe?

Slack of the job again is the better answer to that. Hermione could not told what they are up to the Order since it's Hermione's idea that they start the DA. Mundungus must have been there to take care of buiness once again and when Harry went in, Mundungus then started listening to them. :)

Or maybe there is someone who informs the order what they're up to? Hermy maybe?

nah, i dont think hermione would be keeping the order posted on the DA cuz if rons mother knew that he was in it, she would have killed him! :wow: remember that letter she sent him in ootp? if they knew about it before its official discovery by adults, id say it was indeed mundungus, who was probably sent to keep tabs on harrys activities, IMO. :rolleyes:

No, I didn't mean that Hemione informed the order about her idea. I mean...maybe all those DA was OoTP idea? It's not my thought, I read in one thread that Hermione could secretly be in a Order. I'm just repeating.

No, I didn't mean that Hemione informed the order about her idea. I mean...maybe all those DA was OoTP idea? It's not my thought, I read in one thread that Hermione could secretly be in a Order. I'm just repeating.

First off I don't think that Hermionie would have spilled the beans on the DA as it was her idea to create a magical contract (although this wouldn't have shown up on her like Marietta as 'Dung would have been there pre contract) but the thought of Hermionie being a member of the order hadn't occured to me....its an interesting one as Hagrid and Lupin have said, she's an extreamly clever witch......I'm just not sure if they would take someone who is underage though....

Food for thought
Liselle

if hermione was already in the order then she would have pretty much lied to ron and harry in every chapter. she would have known all along about the "secret weapon" hidden in the DoM, would have known WHY harry had to learn occlumency, and would not have allowed harry to run off to the MoM, endangering themselves and all the others. also, hermione wouldnt have warned harry not to touch it most likely, since she would know that the reason the dark lord wanted harry there was because only harry and LV can pick up the orb. for these reasons, i doubt hermione is in the order...... unless she is a liar. :(

Well if you must know, I think Dumbledore doesn't seem to do things as would be expected. I think that either he or Harry will teach the class. I believe him doing it would be wonderful and it would teach them many valuable things. As for appointing Harry, well Dumbledore hasn't shied from controversial appointments. I could see him making Harry a student teacher. Harry's schedule is the only problem. Might be bad for Malfoy.

I think the DA should definitely continue, but with Professors helping as well (I am sure Flitwick could teach them advanced charms which would help). Just look at how much they accomplished. There should be more DA meetings in the future!

I think things would change around Hogwarts. Dumbledore would ask Flitwick to teach very advance charms lesson and including transfiguration. Instead of starting conjuring in their NEWTS level they would now start it in their sixth year. DADA will be the most exciting. Teaching them advance curses and jinxes. You kow all those stuff. :)

Prof Aze, Flitwick would be great. Actually Harry and the rest of the 6th years will be at NEWT level (OWLs are 1-5th year, NEWTS are 6-7th year).

Dumbledore having the time to lead the DA would be fabulous, Harry could learn so much from Dumbledore, if Dumbledore only had the time, and whatever Harry learns, he seems to be very good at passing along.

Harry as an actual full fledged Teacher though, nah, the DADA teacher teaches all years. I could buy it that Harry could be a student teacher for the beginning years (1-3, maybe), but you can't possibly have an actual accredited teacher teeaching students in the same or a higher year then themselves (IE: 6th and 7th years). Harry has only been exposed to 3 NEWT level abilities in DADA (Patronus, Legilimancy, Occulemency). For those that want to use Hagrid as an example that doesn't work, because even though Hagrid only attended 3rd year and didn't complete it, he isn't teaching magic, he's teaching care of Magical Creatures, and has 50 years experience in caring for them. Harry has only gone against Dark Wizards, boggarts, and Dementors, and there is so much more to DADA than just those 3 aspects. He really knows nothing about Vampires, Werewolves, and on and on that we don't even know about yet.

Prof Aze, Flitwick would be great. Actually Harry and the rest of the 6th years will be at NEWT level (OWLs are 1-5th year, NEWTS are 6-7th year).

Dumbledore having the time to lead the DA would be fabulous, Harry could learn so much from Dumbledore, if Dumbledore only had the time, and whatever Harry learns, he seems to be very good at passing along.

Harry as an actual full fledged Teacher though, nah, the DADA teacher teaches all years. I could buy it that Harry could be a student teacher for the beginning years (1-3, maybe), but you can't possibly have an actual accredited teacher teeaching students in the same or a higher year then themselves (IE: 6th and 7th years). Harry has only been exposed to 3 NEWT level abilities in DADA (Patronus, Legilimancy, Occulemency). For those that want to use Hagrid as an example that doesn't work, because even though Hagrid only attended 3rd year and didn't complete it, he isn't teaching magic, he's teaching care of Magical Creatures, and has 50 years experience in caring for them. Harry has only gone against Dark Wizards, boggarts, and Dementors, and there is so much more to DADA than just those 3 aspects. He really knows nothing about Vampires, Werewolves, and on and on that we don't even know about yet.
Actually, thanks to Snape, he does know about werewolves. ;)

I think that Harry and the DA will continue to meet, but it will be different. I see Harry being allowed to join the Order even though he isn't old enough. I mean he now knows that he is the only hope of defeting wouldn't it be a mistake of the Order not to include him in their plans. So, I think the DA will be like a junior version of the Order and will know all of what is going on.

I cant see Harry being a DA teacher, maybe he will continue to give pointers to people in the future...not even DD is that controversial...as for DD himself giving datda classes, well I would love to see that but DD was a transfiguration teacher before headmaster so maybe its not that likely.

Although Harry knows about Warewolves he has not had to deal with them yet...as for ghouls, vamps and others I'm not sure that Harry will ever come across them in the series, I think that the book Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find them may play some significance, especially in the preface of it (what defines a beast). I think that some olive branch will be offered to the different peoples (merpeople, goblins, veelas, giants and all the others that I cant think of off the top of my head!) so the magical community will band together...

Liselle

I think Harry will become a DA member as soon as he graduate from Hogwarts. Maybe Dumbledore would then give him the chance to teach what he knows. It would be very cool.

Then Harry would become Deputy headmaster to McGonagall as soon as Dumbledore resigns and will eventually be the headmaster soon replacing Minerva.

That's the life that i see on Harry's prophesy. :lol:

I don't think that they will continue with the Da meetings in the future because they only had the DA meetings because Umbridge was not teaching the students to defend themselves against the Dark Arts. Now that the whole wizarding world knows about he who must not be named's return Fudge will have no point but to make them practice spells to defend themselves agains you know who.

I feel that when theyreturn to school it will still be a hard time. With all the students mistrusting each other DA will still be necessary. With Malfoy and his "High Inquisitors" vs Harry and DA. It will be like the junior Ootp vs the juniour death eaters. Hopefully they will get a competant teacher though we know life will still be hard and miserable from his internal battle. I think the club will continue but more people will want to get into it; which could be hard. Both sides will work to gain followers. Dumbledore, Flitwick, McGonagal and Snape could all be guest speakers/teachers and possibly whoever the new dada teacher is. We know that Datda teachers only last one year wether they are good or bad so I hope it's not DD :scared: though i fear it may be to give harry a chance toshine in the end (and make things harder for Ootp).
DA will still be their secret club and Harry might become as popular(though hopefully not as conceited as) his father.

Harry=DA leader
Malfoy=HI leader
DD=new dada teacher??? :no: ??? (if he has time - either way he will communicate with harry, possibly privatly teach him and give him work to do. Doing what fudge fears and building DD and army.!) :huh:


P.S - Harry can apparate as well as flywell, produce a patronus.....
Thanks for reading this, :cool:

I feel that when theyreturn to school it will still be a hard time. With all the students mistrusting each other DA will still be necessary. With Malfoy and his "High Inquisitors" vs Harry and DA. It will be like the junior Ootp vs the juniour death eaters. Hopefully they will get a competant teacher though we know life will still be hard and miserable from his internal battle. I think the club will continue but more people will want to get into it; which could be hard. Both sides will work to gain followers. Dumbledore, Flitwick, McGonagal and Snape could all be guest speakers/teachers and possibly whoever the new dada teacher is. We know that Datda teachers only last one year wether they are good or bad so I hope it's not DD :scared: though i fear it may be to give harry a chance toshine in the end (and make things harder for Ootp).
DA will still be their secret club and Harry might become as popular(though hopefully not as conceited as) his father.

Harry=DA leader
Malfoy=HI leader
DD=new dada teacher??? :no: ??? (if he has time - either way he will communicate with harry, possibly privatly teach him and give him work to do. Doing what fudge fears and building DD and army.!) :huh:


P.S - Harry can apparate as well as flywell, produce a patronus.....
Thanks for reading this, :cool:

Elidor, some questions:
can you provide when has Harry apparated in the books?
On the other hand, do you think DA would be necessary having a proper DADA teacher?
Do you think DD will allow something as a "Junior DE Club" or reedition of the "Inquisitorial Squad"?
I myself believe more on a kind of "Duel Club" as existed in CoS, open to all students with some teachers support. Remember the Sorting Hat song and the frequent remarks from DD about unity, I don't think DD will allow for opposite clubs in Hogwarts to start an "internal war". Of course, all this is just IMO.

In the 1st book Harry is running from Dudleys gang, tries to get behind a bin but suddenly finds himself on a roof - if thats not apparating what is it? There would probably have been a loud nois - I don't think JK included that by coincidence. :huh:
Anyway, as to wether DD would allow a DE club dosen't matter - as if they have ever obeyed the rules - with their death eater family and Slytherin background of cource they're gonna meet up and try to fight DA club. A decent Dada teacher would be great but even so there will still be a need for the freindship, cooperation and study in DA. (Nev with a new wand and therefore more confidance is certainly going to want DA club. They have fun there and Huffelpuffs are loyal, Ravenclaw intelligent enough to see training as neccessary and the brave Griffindors will want to know all they can to fight Voldie.)
As life gets dangerous(and misrable/uncertain with freinds dieing) bonds of freindship will be essential - JK's not going to brake them up. Didn't she say she'd not break up the trio? I'm not sure about that. Even if DA is put of line for a while they will always be loyal for harry to call when neccessary.
I love your idea about running dueling club - i just feel Harry and co will have a core group at the same time.

Thanx for replying :) - what do you think? :huh:

In the 1st book Harry is running from Dudleys gang, tries to get behind a bin but suddenly finds himself on a roof - if thats not apparating what is it? There would probably have been a loud nois - I don't think JK included that by coincidence. :huh:
Anyway, as to wether DD would allow a DE club dosen't matter - as if they have ever obeyed the rules - with their death eater family and Slytherin background of cource they're gonna meet up and try to fight DA club. A decent Dada teacher would be great but even so there will still be a need for the freindship, cooperation and study in DA. (Nev with a new wand and therefore more confidance is certainly going to want DA club. They have fun there and Huffelpuffs are loyal, Ravenclaw intelligent enough to see training as neccessary and the brave Griffindors will want to know all they can to fight Voldie.)
As life gets dangerous(and misrable/uncertain with freinds dieing) bonds of freindship will be essential - JK's not going to brake them up. Didn't she say she'd not break up the trio? I'm not sure about that. Even if DA is put of line for a while they will always be loyal for harry to call when neccessary.
I love your idea about running dueling club - i just feel Harry and co will have a core group at the same time.

Thanx for replying :) - what do you think? :huh:

I somehow agree with the possibility of both hands (DA and IS) having some development in its own (secret core groups), but not as "official" Clubs due to my view of DD willingness to avoid more fights and try to put some unity inside HW.
On the other hands, I fully agree JKR is not going to break the trio apart but (as you can recall from my posts on the Love thread) I think we will see more evolution and a greater role awarded to "secondary" characters such as Neville, Ginny, Luna or Ernie McMillan so I don't think we will continue to see the trio as a completely apart entity, but more as the core group of something greater (I think the developments at the end of OotP show this evolution without doubt, Neville, Luna or Ginny refused absolutely to be left apart) and, of course, the evolution of relationships will have an influence too (we have to consider they will be already sixteen).

I absolutly agree - when the trio date outsiders of cource they'll be a bigger group - it doesn't matter who you think will end up together(my veiws are on the 'shiper' page) the group is deffinatly expanding. Luna, Nev, Ginny and possibly others will become seen as part of that core group.

Well if you must know, I think Dumbledore doesn't seem to do things as would be expected. I think that either he or Harry will teach the class. I believe him doing it would be wonderful and it would teach them many valuable things. As for appointing Harry, well Dumbledore hasn't shied from controversial appointments. I could see him making Harry a student teacher. Harry's schedule is the only problem. Might be bad for Malfoy.

I doubt Harry will teach at Hogwarts. For one, as was pointed out before, he's a student, so he could not really teach students older than him. Also, I'm pretty sure Dumbledore would not appoint him, and even if he did, Harry would not really want to, considering all that he's been through. I'd say that, if anything, Harry will just stick with his friends, the members of the DA. Also, I can't see JKR sticking Harry in the position at all; she's doing her best to make the position jinxed, as least as far as we can tell now. If she does use Harry, it probably won't be until the 7th book, so we'll have to see whether anything leads up to that in the 6th. Dumbledore might teach it, but I can't see him as a Defense teacher. He seems more of a Transfiguration teacher, and we know he used to teach that. I think she's just going to introduce a new character into the position as she has done in the previous 5 books. But I must admit, it would be kind of cool. Hee hee... :)

I am sure there will still be DA meetings, but only for the people who still want to go. I don't think Cho, or any of her friends, for that matter, would want to after what happened to Marrietta(I'm sure I butchered that name!! Sorry). They won't have to meet in secret anymore, that's for sure. I think it will be made into a club of sorts, which would be pretty cool. It may lose members because students can go to class and learn. The DA was only started because Umbridge couldn't teach. It may get more members because they won't get in trouble for going. I know for certian that Slytherins won't attend, though!

I would love to see the DA meetings continue. But now as they're probably not illegal anymore, I expect most members will lose interest. Some things are more fun if they're illegal, or against the rules. It's just a feeling of great joy knowing that you're doing something against the rules and you're not getting caught. But Harry may be discouraged if most members drop out, and will want to discontinue the DA. I hope not!

I would like to see the DA continue, but as mentioned, it wouldn't be secret and that sort of takes the fun out of it. Whether it continues or not will largely depend on who the new DADA teacher is and how good he/she is. It might become a shcool sponsored club of some kind with special guest instructors from the Order.

Hiya Liselle. ON what you said about Hermione. You do have a point there you know. Becuase if ever Voldemort would know about Hermione as the best in Harry's year, i am pretty sure that she will be Voldemorts number 1 target. Then after it would be very easy to let Hermione do all his works for him. It will not suspect them since Hermione is a smart and rule-abiding girl. And not to mention that she is a prefect and will soon be a Head Girl at Hogwarts. :)

I seriously doubt Voldemort would want help from someone who Isn't pure blood....crazy racist and hyppocrite. o_O

I hope JKR gives us a brand new DADA teacher...I mean look at what we've had so far, I don't think it will be any trouble to see a new one! (Let's just hope he or she doesn't resemble a certain frog....[cough])

If it does turn out to be a club maybe Hermione or something could put up posters, and who knows, maybe a good Slytherine may join. o_O

If they still have DA meetings I think they wont allow anyone other than the people that are already in it because they don't want it to be known. I think people liked it so much because it was a secret, so i think they will keep it that way. DD will know but i dont think he will be against it; in fact, he might drop by some time, for it is his army afterall. To the person that said Harry might become a teacher...Why would DD let Harry become a teacher but not a prefect? We know the reason DD didn't make him a prefect was because he thought Harry had enough on his plate, so there is no way DD is going to let Harry be a teacher because that’s a lot of work. I don't think the DA will continue, but if it does I hope it doesn't become a club.

One thing I shudder to think about if the DA ever became an open club would be to have Malfoy and his cronies come out and try to ruin it somehow. I could just see them coming up with some plan to end it - or worse, hurt Harry or the other kids (I'm thinking poor Neville here, he was actually making an advancement too. *sniff*) Overall, I'd much rather see it ended rather than turned into something that will create even more trouble.

I would like to see the DA continue, possibly as an adjunct to the DADA class. IMHO, the students in the DA are already much more advanced than they would be in a normal DADA class. I mean, Dennis Creevy was a member, and he was only a 2nd year in OotP. Do you know many other 2nd or 3rd years who could do the hexes, jinxes and spells that he learned to do?

Because they are so advanced at this point, DD or the new DADA teacher may let them continue the club, kind of like an enrichment program. They still have to do their normal classwork, but the DA would be like extra credit.

BTW, do we know how many people from the DA in the 6th and 7th years will be doing NEWT DADA? I don't think it's required for every emphasis/job, so who's going to be there?

bowlwoman

With Voldemort back, I think Dumbledore should teach DADA himself!

With him teaching, there's NO need whatsoever for DA meetings.

I think it would be awesome if he taught, I'm sure they'd be challenged, and they'd learn TONS of stuff that a normal DADA teacher wouldn't even know existed!

I think the Da will continue. I mean, the Marauders kept up didn't they? Think of it this way- the Order shouldn't need to exist because there's the Ministry and Aurors and so on and so forth. However, they continue to exist because they are a group of people who have learned that only a few can always be trusted. There's always an interloper in Hogwart's. PS, there's Voldemort himself. COS, Tom Riddle. POA, Sirius. GOF, the fake Mad-Eye Moody. OOTP, Umbridge. They'll have someone or something they can't trust and will want to at least meet again.

At this point, this group trusts each other implicitly; look at what they've done and been through together. I think they'll be getting together through the Galleons, to both continue practice and discuss strategies and what's going on. Some of the kids have access to the Ministry's doing, too.

History repeats itself; this is just the new group of marauders/Order coming into being. Although Harry may have to face Voldemort alone in the end, no hero wins all his battles every step of the way, without help.

I don't beleive Harry will be still willing to teach the DA...after his foolhardy actions last year...leading a group of five into a trap....he'll no longer see himself as an effective leader

Also, after the revealing of the prophecy....he is the one that needs specialized instruction.

I don't beleive Harry will be still willing to teach the DA...after his foolhardy actions last year...leading a group of five into a trap....he'll no longer see himself as an effective leader

Also, after the revealing of the prophecy....he is the one that needs specialized instruction.
I agree with you on this point. But, something I did enjoy about that is that all five of them got to see what their 'teacher' was made of and what he's like under pressure in a situation as such. The fact that he remained calm and got them out of there alive shows something of his capabilities... maybe that would make the DA want him to teach them even more, considering the situations they may end up in in the future... But Harry probably wouldn't want to continue. He'd just need a little persuasion ;) ...

Hmm, If the DA had help from a professer...they would freak out at all the people who could do Patronuses...(Of course Cho probably won't go to DA anymore...)

I mean that is a freaking advanced charm....o_O

I think the DA will continue. Remember what the sorting hat implied...that the houses needed to come together more. This is a perfect way for people from other houses to learn to work with and trust others.

And even though Harry is a little young and maybe even unsure of himself after what happened at the MoM he is still trusted and looked up to by the DA members. So I'd think he would still be willing to work with them.

And why do they need a moderator? If the club is now legal I'd think as long as they talked over what they wanted to accomplish that DD would have no problems with it.

I think in the final fight the DA will play a big role in the defense of Hogwarts and if I'm right it will have to continue and expand as well.

Dumbledore would never let Harry teach at Hogwarts. It would be out of the question for many reasons already stated here. However, Dumbledore does realize how much Harry knows; therefore I think that Dumbledore would encourage the DA to continue holding their meetings.

Shauna

I to agree that the DA will continue in some format. It will be legal now that DD is back in charge. The question is will it be needed if there is a competent DA teacher? Even if they do have one it can still continue to advance the students farther in these "dark times". I don't think Harry will teach a class but he will likely continue on in the role of DA leader, the other students tend to look up to him and trust in his knowledge of DA. They also have the books that Lupin and Sirius gave them last christmas to study out of. It would be nice if they had a competent DA professor to help with ideas and new techniques that are not in any books. I like others on the thread hope that Dumbledore places a competent teacher this year, no matter how odd the teacher, the children will need it for the coming war. The meetings will not need to be hidden but I think they will still remain interesting and they seem to build confidence in Harry and Neville. It seems to help many students who couldn't do things in class that they can do in the relaxed atmosphere of the DA group. So I for one hope there are more meetings!

I can see a combination of the DA with a DADA teacher coming about somehow. There are obviously some students which will be much further ahead than the others in the classes (Colin for one), so it would make sense for the DA to continue, but perhaps under he guidance of the DADA teacher, or DD for that matter.

I would also imagine that it would still be carried out somewhat secretly. If the entire school was to know about it, then the little death eater's could easily reports to their death eater parents exactly what was going on, and I don't think that would be a great thing for the order. So...to sum up, I think the DA will continue, under secrecy, with the aid of the DADA teacher.../

If the DADA professor in book 6 is bad, it's likely the DA will continue, regardless of who teaches it (if Harry doesn't, I bet Hermione and/or Ron would take over for him). If the DADA professor is a good teacher, the DA club will most likely not be needed. However, it might still be a good idea because it could give the students some extra time to practice their spells. But seeing as Harry is preoccupied with Sirius' death, it's likely he won't continue teaching the DA. I would imagine the DA would bring back too many unpleasant memories of the past year.

Perhaps there could be a way to make the DA a formal school club instead of something the students have to meet privately for in the late hours of the night? It would be neat if the DADA teacher (and Dumbledore, since the club is named after him) could work in tandem with the DA, as electricgrrrl said. That way, the club would be validated by the professors and would be protected from being shut down.

i 've heard people mention it in other threads how do u guys know 4 certain that the DA will continue as malfoy and that all know where they hold the lessons or did 'nt they i 4got.

i ve opened this thread for everyone to discuss if or if not the DA will continue

I believe that the DA will continue, but this time sanctioned by Dumbledore. It will be more of a junior Order of the Phoenix this time, and all of the kids, when graduated from Hogwarts, will be offered a position in the Order. Of course, the roster will stay the same, and it will still be a semi-secret from the rest of the students.

My question is: Do you think the Trio would still meet the DA members for meetings? :shrug: I mean, sure the members would really like to have some DA meetings but what about the Trio?
I'd think that given the events of OOTP they'd believe it to be essential.

The trio would still be deciding to pursue these matters. Especially what happened during their fifth years. How much trouble it caused when Marietta told someone about it that the trio woould not probably be risking anyones life. :agree:
Wasn't that the whole point of the DA in the first place? The world they'll be graduating into isn't safe.

I also think that the Ravenclaws got angry with Hermione when the curse that hit Marietta was very strong. Maybe the DA members will now be afraid that they will be cursed by Hermione also. I mean everyone knows Hermione's capabilties. :eyebrows:
I don't know if they would or not. Cho was obviously angry but that could hark back to the fact that Marietta was her friend combined with her breakup with Harry. I'd be curious to see what her attitude will be like when she's had time to think about what's happened

I would love to see the DA meetings continue. But now as they're probably not illegal anymore, I expect most members will lose interest. Some things are more fun if they're illegal, or against the rules. It's just a feeling of great joy knowing that you're doing something against the rules and you're not getting caught. But Harry may be discouraged if most members drop out, and will want to discontinue the DA. I hope not!
Wasn't the interest more down to being capable of defending yourself in the upcoming fight rather than it being illegal?

As for continuance well I believe it will in a slightly different form. With the return of Dumbledore it's likely to be a sanctioned student organisation seperate from official classes. It may be set up on a two level structure with the core members from the original DA (minus one Marietta I'd suspect) in the lead role with Harry as their leader but with other students getting involved. They'll likely be learning practical defensive skills above and beyond what's being taught in the DADA classes (especially if Dumbledore struggles to find a competant new teacher) but with assistance from the staff members in their respective areas, maybe an occasional appearance by Dumbledore himself.

You have to remember that the DA was formed because Umbridge would not let them learn practical work in class so the group was needed to help them pass their OWLS. However, if in book 6 DD is able to get a good DADA teacher then there's no need for the DA to continue. You also have to take into account the fact that it takes up time, and that may not be something that a lot of the DA members have now that they've entered NEWT level, and the h/w level increases.

I think they will still meet, since it will not be illegal anymore, but I think they will be more selective and rename it. Or maybe, now that we know one can be Headmaster and teacher as well, maybe Albus will do Potions and let Severus do DADA, or Albus will just simply do DADA. I sure do hope Severus gets the job, he actually USED to do the Dark Arts, so who'd know HOW to defend better than one who used to do it?

I believe that the DA will continue, but this time sanctioned by Dumbledore. It will be more of a junior Order of the Phoenix this time, and all of the kids, when graduated from Hogwarts, will be offered a position in the Order. Of course, the roster will stay the same, and it will still be a semi-secret from the rest of the students.
I think a little battle among the childs of the Death Eaters will break out, Draco will always be trying to take out Potter, and naturally he will be accompanied by his companions, and I think all the Death Eaters are gonna start their own Jr. Death Eater Terror Squad deal. And Harry and his buddies will have their group, in this case could be the DA renamed as the Junior Order of the Phoenix and they would bomb on the Jr. Death Eater Terror Squad, keep them from attacking Mudbloods and keep them from being tricks.

Hey guys,

I'm sorry if a topic like this has already been started. If so, just post a link please. I searched but couldn't find any similar results, so here goes.

The D.A was uncovered by Professor Umbridge in OoTP via Marietta and the Inquisitorial Squad. But where does the future of Dumbledore's Army lay?

Answer these questions if you want and post your other opinions.

1. Will D.A continue?
2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
4. What will come in the general future for the D.A? [2nd Edit]

OK, here are my answers:

1. This is tricky. Since Umbridge left, there may not be a need for D.A anymore. But I think there is a 50 / 50 chance of the D.A continuing.
2. Well, the D.A practise spells, but hardly any theory work is covered in D.A meetings. So my answer to this one is no.
3. I think the D.A may go public (Hogwarts public)... but then again not sure.
4. Hopefully the D.A will continue. The students are learning additional defence for the uppercoming war.

1. Will D.A continue?

I belive that as it has been said it is there to prepare for the uppcoming war and I thing that people will want to prepare as well as they can.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?

I think as this is a club and not a class a belive that they will have to do DADA homework.

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?

I think that Harry and co will seek out more people that they belive will be an asset (sp?). Also on the set time I think that it will be put on when ever it is possible using the coins again as can't see the Quiditch Captins letting up on practises.

You might want to see:

Slytherin Equivalent of Dumbledore's Army? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=34004&highlight=Dumbledore%27s+Army)
Dumbledore's Army (DA) Members (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=25719&highlight=Dumbledore%27s+Army)
WARTIME HOGWARTS - What will it be like? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=31089&highlight=Dumbledore%27s+Army)

This thread seems to be different enough from the ones linked above, IMO. I'm sure one of the other staff members will take a peak though and decide. In any case, they are available for reference. :)

In any case, here's my take on it.

1. Will D.A continue? - I think this could go either way at this point. With Umbridge gone, there isn't as urgent a need for it. But, I think it would make a helpful group and could be used as a study group in any case. We also don't know who the next MoM will end up being, or who will end up at Hogwarts representing the ministry, if anyone. My gut feeling is that the D.A. will continue. It's too useful to just let it disappear, and does a lot to help build up Harry's self-esteem.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings? - I can't imagine that they wouldn't be required to do homework. The D.A. would most likely be classified as a study group, and study groups are used to practice what is learned in class, same as homework. I can't picture any teacher giving students a free pass on homework. Even if the D.A. covers the same things that are taught in class, it would be extra practice, and we all know practice makes perfect. :D

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A? This could probably go either way, but my guess is if it continues, all students will know about it and it will be open to any student who wants to join, just to keep it fair like any other club. I can't imagine any Slytherins joining the group though, so maybe it will remain much the same as it is now. Or maybe we'll see Theordore Nott join, and that will be the capacity we see more of him. :huh:

1. Will D.A continue:

I don't see why it shouldn't they will still want to learn how to proctect themselfs from the DE.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework, Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings:

They cover alot in the meetings, but they should still do there homework as extra practice. (And so they will pass the class.)

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek, will everyone hear about the D.A:

I think that they might open it up to everyone and place fliers and everything, but they will still hold secret meetings for the original members. Since they won't be learning anything new for awhile cause they will be helping Harry teach the new members.

This thread seems to be different enough from the ones linked above, IMO. I'm sure one of the other staff members will take a peak though and decide. In any case, they are available for reference. :)
I agree, so let's leave this thread opened.

1. Will D.A continue?

I want to believe that they wil continue, maybe not with all their members (Some will not be at Hogwarts next book). However, not only for teaching and training purposes but also taking more active part in the fight against Voldemort. This type of societies always leave a mark in their members, at least in most of them. It's something to be proud of, and something that gives the sensation of "I belong to" status. It;s a bind that cannot be destroyed easily even if they stop meeting.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?

As I mentioned, I believe that if the society continues, will not be only for training and teaching purposes. They will (probably) want to be more useful.

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?

That's a good idea of what may happen to them.

1. Will D.A continue?
I do think DA will continue. Now that everyone knows Voldemort is back, they will want to know how to protect themselves and will want to continue to take classes. They were greatley improving when the were at classes, I don't see why they should stop now.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
I think that even if they don't recieve homewor, they will work stronger to get better at whatever they are doing, I see them practicing with fellow DA members.

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
I think that since very dark time approaches, the students will be more serious towards DA. I think they will have more frequent meetings.

( 2nd edit: )4. What will come in the general future for the D.A?
I think that DA members will work harder. They will want to protect themselves and others. They know dark times are going to come and they will want to be prepaired. I think they will continue, and they will be stonger.

Alright than.

1. Will D.A continue?
-Probably as the students who are in it now that LV is back will want to do so and will probably convince HP of teaching them again.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
-I think they might have to practise, but not too much as that would get really hectic and some students might not like that. So I don't think they'll have to do it all in classes, but just practise at home sometimes.

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
-I think it will still be like for only a few students. Not for all who'd want to join.

4. What will come in the general future for the D.A?
-They'll probably just practice once a week and give it all to those lessons and pay good attention. I think it'll work and that the DA will still be a good society to teach certain, maybe, dark things to selected students.

Will D.A continue?
Certainly. I see no reason why it shouldn't. Dumbledore seemed to like it.

If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
I think they'll have to do DADA homework. Harry won't be asking them to write essays about vampires and things like that. Dumbledore may even try to merge DADA and the DA together.

Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
I think everyone will know about the DA eventually. More people will probably want to join seeing as the Return of Voldemort has been made official. As I've said in another 'copy, paste and post Question and Answer' thread, the DA may become an official club, with teacher consent. I also said that I hope it becomes a compulsory class.

What will come in the general future for the D.A?
It will be less hush-hush, with even more sense or purpose. More people will probably join it too. Harry will try and teach them everything and anything he knows or thinks they ought to know. It will be a very serious matter now that the Magickal World has taken a plunge into darkness.

I really liked the descriptions of the DA meetings and members, so I'm happy to have at these questions:

1. Will D.A continue?
Yes, I do think it will continue, if for no other reason than to provide a chance for the students from different houses to interract on a regular basis. We've gotten to know some of them rather well, like Luna, and the DA gives us a chance to see more of her.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
I think all necessary work is covered at the meetings, although it would not be surprising to see Harry suggest some "outside practice" to someone if they are having special trouble with some of the spells.

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
I don't think it will be open to everyone, although everyone will probably know about the group. I can't see first/second years having enough magical knowledge to be included. Also, certain Slytherin students could join or attend meetings and spy on their progress and plans. I look forward to seeing how DD handles this one, since he believes in the redemptive possibilities of everyone, but also has a great desire (and need) to protect Harry....

4. What will come in the general future for the D.A?
Waaaayy in the future, I think it will be almost like an honor society (not grade-wise, but ability-wise), a chance for 5th, 6th and 7th year students to practice, try new spells out, etc. I'm not saying only the top witches/wizards will be allowed in, but given the number of Hogwarts stutdents, I can't see how everyone could take part.

1. Yes i think the D.A. will continue on
2. I don't think there will be any homework
3.More people will hear of it.
4. As sad as it sounds i think as the war progresses they will take part in battle more and some might be killed. and i agree it to be an honor socitey in the after war future.

I would think that the fucture of the D.A. depends highly on the new DaDA professor. The only reason they started it was for proper defense training. If the new Professor is better at teaching then Harry then I don't see the need, other than extra practice and some first hand accounts of facing the Dark Lord, from Harry. However if I was Harry I would think hard about having to kill the Dark Lord and then enter the Room of Requirement, I'd be interesting to see what he might find.

With Umbridge gone, I don't know if there's a real need for the DA. It may continue as a school club, but if it goes forward in that format, would that mean that all students would have to be given the opportunity to participate? If so, does that open the group up to vulnerabilities? I mean, if it's an open group, doesn't that mean that Deatheaters' children could participate and report back? Or maybe there's really nothing practiced that needs to be concealed? As you can tell, I have more questions on this topic than any well-grounded opinions.

1. Will D.A continue?
I think that the DA will continue. It has become even more important for the students to be prepared (their parents may even encourage it since the Ministry is sending out information on self defense).

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
I think they will still have DADA homework, etc. Not everyone will become a part of the DA, but everyone has to be prepared (no matter which side of the war they lie on).

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
I can see the DA becoming more of a club. I would think that a professor (or maybe more than one) would take over the teaching. Harry won't have as much time -- NEWT level courses are much harder (I would think) -- I would imagine that McGonagall might help out, Flitwick and the new DADA professor. Possibly even Snape (he did help with the dueling lessons!). I believe it will be open to everyone, but a lot of people still will not join (regardless of whether their parents are Death Eaters).

4. What will come in the general future for the D.A?
I think that some members of DA will die in the war. However, they will put up much more of a fight than their peers who have no experiences with the DA.

I think it will largely depend on the situation when they return back to school.

DADA teacher - If Dumbledore finally finds a suitable DADA teacher for Hogwarts (a nearly impossible task) then there may be no need for the DA, as they will learn just as much in classes. If no suitable teacher is found for the DADA position, the DA members may find it quite necessary to continue the club, as the approaching war is continuing to become more and more threatening.

Minister for Magic - JKR has confirmed that Cornelius Fudge will no longer be Minister in HBP, so that poses the questions. Who will replace him? Will they be as stubborn and hard to work with as Fudge? Or will they side fully with Dumbledore, allowing the Order to continue its work. The decisions that the Minister for Magic makes will either encourage or discourage the DA from continuing.

Personally, I'd like to see it continue - with a teacher, or Harry, in control, its good fun to read about!

1. Will D.A continue?
This is kind of tough. In the world outside of Hogwarts, yes it makes sense to keep the DA going. But there is also the OotP (the group, not the book . . . just thought I should get that straight). As much as we would like to think the people in the DA are strong, they are really not ready to face dark wizards yet. I know you are all going to say "but what about the Ministry of Magic mission?" But think about what happened. Hermione almost died, Ron went all bonkers and scared as a result of the Brain, Neville lost his wand and broke his nose.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
If the DA were to continue, they would (of course) have to do homework. I believe that there are other clubs related to classes and the members of them still have to do homework.

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
I think by now, everyone at Hogwarts knows about the DA. If its a secret at Hogwarts, everyone will know about it. I think that the DA's agenda has had an underlying tone since the beginning: to prepare themselves for the real world without Hogwarts to defend them. And if it were to become a regular club, it might end up become a lot like DADA lessons. Plus, they might have a better teacher next year who actually knows there stuff. (Personally, I would love to see Lupin back, but it may just be a pipe dream).

4. What will come in the general future for the D.A?
Maybe some may be on hand when Harry has his final showdown with Voldemort. Who knows? Some more people will die before the end of the series (JK confirms this too).

There is this thread...
Perhaps it could be retitled to reflect it is about Dumbledore's Army?

Meetings in the Future (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=18260)

I dont think Harry or any of the other members would want a bunch of knew people in the group. They will try to keep it as private and as small as possible. I am also sure that the other school mates might find out about it. But the members will lie and say they have know idea what they are talking about.


As for new members. I say that Harry will say who gets in and who does not.

undefined I think that the whole school will find out about the D.A. and that the professors will start teaching it to any students that feel the need to learn how to protect themselves. They can't stop people from joining who want to learn to fight against voldemort.

1. Will D.A continue?
I think it will. It might even be extended to the rest of the school for added protection. I doubt most if not all of the Slytherins would join. Lucius Malfoy might have a say against it.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
I think they'll still need to do HW. Their DADA classes might not reflect what's going on in the DA.

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
I think it will become a club because it's no secret anymore.

4. What will come in the general future for the D.A? [2nd Edit]
I think it will be around as long as there is a threat from Voldemort.

1. Will D.A continue?
I believe the DA will continue. How many times they meet will depend on how good the next DADA teacher is. If it is someone like Umbridge there is a good chance they will meet a lot, but if the teacher is more like Lupin I would say there would not be as much need to meet many times a week.
2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
If you want to get good at something you must practice. So, I believe that it will be up to each individual student whether they will do homework or not. And since everyone knows that Voldemort is back, I am betting that everyone in the DA will want to work as hard as possible to learn how to fight against the dark arts.
3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A?
I do think that the DA will become a club and everyone will know about it. This would be one way to unite all the houses. I am sure that there are other Hogwarts students that would like to learn more about fighting the dark arts even some Slytherins! There would have to be some regulations as to who could and could not join though. I'm not sure what they would be though.
4. What will come in the general future for the D.A?
I think the DA has a future in the next books. This club has already improved Neville's skills as well as the other students who accompanied Harry to the Ministry of Magic. They all survived the run ins with the DE and I would bet that their ability to survive had alot to do with the fact that they were all in the DA. So far this club has done nothing but good for the students. Just think how much better they will be after a few more sessions.

The DA can stop anyone from joining they want. Yes there may be a open club for who ever wants join. But for people who actualy want to join the DA and be taught by Harry they can deny membership to everyone else in the school if they want. I doubt anyone but the DA know how to work the room of requirement and I doubt Harry wants any knew members.

There is this thread...
Perhaps it could be retitled to reflect it is about Dumbledore's Army?

Meetings in the Future (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=18260)
I'm gonna merge them and re-write the thread title.

Thanks, it will help a lot for searches in the future. :tu:

I would think that the fucture of the D.A. depends highly on the new DaDA professor. The only reason they started it was for proper defense training. If the new Professor is better at teaching then Harry then I don't see the need, other than extra practice and some first hand accounts of facing the Dark Lord, from Harry.

This is highly possible... if so, then perhaps the D.A will continue just so people can learn some new spells.. eg. the Patronus. I don't think they learn that spell until further years but Harry could help them to master it.

The main reason for the DA was to learn the DADA that Umbridge wasn't teaching them. Since Umbridge is gone, there is no reason for them to meet under that context unless the next DADA professor is a loser.

The main reason for the DA was to learn the DADA that Umbridge wasn't teaching them. Since Umbridge is gone, there is no reason for them to meet under that context unless the next DADA professor is a loser.

Perhaps the D.A will continue just so the kids can learn things they don't learn in normal DaDA class... like I said above, Harry could help them master the patronus.

I do not know about that, you have a point about Umbridge but the children seemed far more confident about Harry teaching them DADA than any other teacher they had in the past too. I can see Dumbledore's Army setting up the dueling sessions they tried in CoS again and no doubt they will probably work better with Harry running the dueling club. Dumbledore did approve of such a club and Dumbledore's Army so in a way he must think there is an importance to such a group. The Dumbledore's Army could be a tool used to unite the houses more than anything as it represents the school as a whole. After what happened in the Department of Mysteries some of the children will be impressed at the fact that the children lived through the fight and may want to join the club that taught them DADA never taught before to ordinary wizards at Hogwarts.

I see a future in Dumbledore's Army especially if Dumbledore himself recommends the club to stay open and if Hermione has anything to do with it she will probably be at the forefront of saving the DA if the club is opposed. I mean can you see Hermione giving up without a fight after all the effort she put in to helping create the club. I really would not want to be in the group that opposes the DA. :scared:

I think that there will be some more DA meetings, but maybe for a more select group of people (like those that went to the MoM) rather than anyone who wants to. They might be intimidated by what happened, but I think that those who really understand the threat that is posed against them from Voldemort and the Death Eaters, they will be wanting to continue with the group.

1. Will D.A continue?
Why not? The DA was more than an Anti-Umbridge League. She might have been the reason for forming the group, but she was not the reason they continued to meet. Everyone in the DA liked what they were doing in the DA. To them, the DA wasn't just a replacement class for DADA. In the DA, Harry did teach them spells which did come up on the OWLs, but that wasn't their only reason for being there. However, Fred, George, Lee, Angelina, Katie, Alicia, the Creevey brothers, Luna, Cho, and possibly the Ravenclaw boys were not even taking their OWLs. It was a place where they could learn how to fight and apply it to real duels. They met because they wanted to learn how to fight, and the meetings were fun.

2. If the D.A does continue, will there be a need for members to do DaDA homework? Or is all the necessary DaDA work covered at D.A meetings?
The DA originally was not based around the curriculum. So the DA did their thing and they did the DADA homework. As far as the next DADA teacher goes, it would depend on the teacher as to what goes on in DA. It might become a study group for DADA, or it might not.

3. Will the D.A start a new form of agenda if it continues? For example, will they become an club which holds student meetings at a set time everyweek? Will everyone hear about the D.A? Will the DA have a new agenda? Yes and no. The DA's goal will remain the same: Training its members to defend themselves. They do not do set times. With 3 quidditch practices to schedule around, the meetings will happen as they did in OotP, by Harry's signal. I can see them recruiting new members, particularly after the school hears of Harry and some of the DA fighting DE's at the Ministry. People are going to want Harry to train them as well. However, the original DA will stil remain and will probably meet separately from the open meetings with the new members. If I were Harry, I'd chose to continue with those who believed me when the Ministry declared me insane.

4. What will come in the general future for the D.A? [2nd Edit]
For the DA to truly continue in its quest to defend themselves, they will now need a proper teacher. Harry has taught them everything he knows, and he did a fine job. Now, it's time for someone to train them up to face the DE's and win. Options for the DA teacher: McG (Order member, fully trained wizard and teacher, took 5 stuns in the chest and lived), Flitwick (Former dueling champion, expert at charms, excellent teacher), new DADA teacher (depending), or Dumbledore (too many reasons to list). Ideal choice would be DD. After all, these students chose to side with him rather than Umbridge or the Ministry. So why not turn these fine examples of wizards united into Dumbledore's real Army.
Also, with more training, expect more fights for DA members. Some with the IS. Some with the DE's again. Some against the new threat coming in book 6. Deaths are to be expected amongst the DA members.

I think the D.A. will continue. Everyone in it wanted to learn how to defend themselves, and now with Dumbledore back, it will be legal and more students will want to join. Harry was a great teacher and even though they probably will get a competent Defense teacher, many stuents will probably still want to continue it. And it certainly helped the members who were in O.W.L or N.E.W.T. year.

I'm mixed on whether I think or want DA meetings to continue in the future. Part of the fun of the DA was defying Umbridge and the Ministry right under Umbridge's nose. Now that Umbridge and the Ministry have presumably left Hogwarts once again to Dumbledore's authority, it wouldn't need to be a secret society anymore, thus eliminating some of the excitement the DA had. Also, presumably Dumbledore will manage to find a DADA teacher willing to actually teach them spells and jinxes and stuff, eliminating most of the need for HArry to give supplimental lessons.
They might chose to meet again, but I don't think it will be quite the same.

Well, there would not be any DA without Harry, I do not think Harry would do it if Hermione and Ron were not coming. So no trio = no DA meetings.

Therefore if the DA continues in Half-Blood Prince, the trio will be there!

I think the DA will continue, secretly, not having anything to do with DADA lessons, but I think they will consider it more as Their Order. Maybe as a rebellion for being kept out of the order of the phoenix. Now harry knows about the prophecy, I think he will take his school work and the DA alot more seriously.

I think DA will continue as a secret society inside Hogwarts.

i think the da will continue but it will be more like a homework club. now everyone knows that vd is back there will be alot more Emphasis on the darka rts and most of what harry teaches will be in the syllabus any how.

also there will still be the list and i think hermione will continue to fish out the spies etc. with umbridge gone i think dumbledore would think it was a good idea and the new dada teacher.

They may meet for Defence meetings depending on how good the new DADA teacher is. They may also meet for purposes other than DADA meetings now that everyone including Zacharias Smith knows that Voldemort is back.

I dunno. They really only made it since Umbridge wasn't teaching them anything worthwhile...but they might still do it since Voldemort's proven to be back and stuff, to get in a little extra training.

It would be disappointing if the DA doesn't return in book 6. Mainly because of what happened in the Battle in the Dept. of Mysteries. In the Battle, 6 students, DA members held their own against 10 DE's. After only one year of training, no one got killed in the Battle by experienced DEs. That is impressive by anyone's standards. This also proves that the meetings, the lessons, the DA in general works. What they learn in the DA can help in the war and even save lives. So it would be in everyone's interest for them to continue with the DA, whether they get a capable DADA teacher or not.

Also, the DA is more than just a DADA OWL study group. The members originally came from different houses, and did not immediately get along with each other. Once the meetings began, the members began to bond. They started helping each other both in the meetings and outside the meetings. They cheered against Slytherin in the quidditch match. They resisted the Inquisitorial Squad. They ignored the educational decrees. F&G warned their fellow members of pranks to keep them from being blamed. They prevented Harry from getting ambushed on the train home. And most importantly, they went to the Ministry after Harry told them that LV was there.

There most likely will be more meetings, even when and if they get a decent DADA teacher. Even if Harry diesn't want to continue the DA, other students will, and would talk him into continuing. And besides, with Umbridge gone, the DA is legal now.

I think it will all depend on how competent the new DADA teacher is.

Well, I notice some similarities between DA and the order of the phoenix. As the order ofthe phoenix will probably still exist in the next books, DA may also.

But on the other hand students will probably get better defense against the dark arts lessons anyway.

yeah it depends if we have another umbridge it's not likely, just a few. Now if we get a good defense against the dark arts maybe then we will have some more. Plus i don't think JK would put us through another umbridge. Future DA classes is highly possible.

Think of the DA as if they were the Junior Order. During Vold War I, the Ministry was openly at war with LV, but LV was winning. At the same time, the Order was formed by DD and those he trusted in the fight against LV. The Order was formed to fight LV without having to deal with the red tape or the spies that the Ministry must deal with. It's a group of vigilanties, those who are willing to combat the forces of evil without waiting for permission. They had the same goals as the Ministry, just acted quicker than the Ministry could.

Now, in Vold War II, the Ministry and the Order began in opposition, with the Ministry trying to silence the Order. However, the Ministry eventually admitted that LV returned and now seeks him out. Do you think the Order will stop now that the Ministry hunts LV? Of course not. Now both the Ministry and the Order are working against LV.

The same can be said of the DA. It's a group of people that Harry trusts that are willing to risk their lives to fight against LV. At the beginning, the DA was a DADA study group and an Anti-Umbridge League. However, as the group continued to meet they began to bond with each other turning themselves into a real army... Harry's Army. Now that the Ministry now believes Harry's story of LV's return, do you think that they will stop? Of course not. All that happened when the Ministry caved in to Harry's story was that the DA defeated the Ministry. There's still LV and his army to deal with. Plus, there's the added bonus of seeing that which was taught in DA meetings being put to use in the Battle in the Dept. of Mysteries, kinda making the DA into an Applied DADA class.

Only if something else happens. the purpose of the D.A. was to go against Umbrige. She's gone now, so unless something comes up, there's no reason, except for fun.

There really is no need for the D.A. in the future. It is the Chekovian gun that was shown and fired.

Given the current situation, with Voldemort well known to be back, there obviously would be a concerted effort to get a well-trained wizard to teach DADA. The new ministry obviously will have a vested interest in seeing this done, too. Dumbledore might even do it, although I suspect that the new character (McGlaggan?) will be the one.

JKR has a bit of stuff to do in 672 pages. Quidditch, etc., probably will get less page time. There really is little purpose in rehashing a no-longer-secret society that was filling a temporary void.

So, do not expect any more D.A.

It's a group of people that Harry trusts that are willing to risk their lives to fight against LV. At the beginning, the DA was a DADA study group and an Anti-Umbridge League. However, as the group continued to meet they began to bond with each other turning themselves into a real army... Harry's Army. Now that the Ministry now believes Harry's story of LV's return, do you think that they will stop? Of course not. All that happened when the Ministry caved in to Harry's story was that the DA defeated the Ministry. There's still LV and his army to deal with. Plus, there's the added bonus of seeing that which was taught in DA meetings being put to use in the Battle in the Dept. of Mysteries, kinda making the DA into an Applied DADA class.

ohhh... Harry's Army. Now THAT is a good idea!

I think the DA will keep meeting for fun and work (homework or just brush up). Now that Voldy is back and known, it gives them an open reason to meet. It may be more like a club instead of a secret society.

i bet they wont have secret meetings but im sure they will still hang out together...hopefully they will have a really good teacher in dada that will allow them to use their spells and jinxs.

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probably there will be no more meetings since dumbledore is back...we'll see

who needs it, its day is done, unless as someone pointed out the DADA teacher reaLLY Really stinks....

It might become an official club from now on but i doubt it would have a major role, i think it would be a bit too repetitive.

Most of the members have become pretty close friends so maybe they will get together for more meetings. Most of them hadn't mastered the patronus charm so I think they will want to finish their work on them at least even if they don't form an official group.

it was to big of a part of OotP, jk rowling wouldn't have put it in if she didn't have plans for it in the future

I'm guessing that it will still be in HBP. The members still had a lot to learn. I think that Neville could become even stronger and stuff if he kept having a place to develop his magic with the encouragement that he needs. Also, since Umbridge won't be there, I bet most of the educational decrees that she set out will be lifted (I'm guessing the new Minister of Magic will do that, and it'll be Dumbledore's school again). I think that even more people might want to join because Voldemort is officially still out there, even the daily prophet said so.

Even though umbridge is gone, and the DA doesn't need to meet in secrecy, I think that they will still be together. Kind of like on the train on the way home.... they have a bond from helping Harry (those who went) at the MOM and I think they will continue to be important.

As a ex-teacher I can tell you that one of the most effective methods of teaching is peer teaching. In other words...students teaching students. Kids like Neville have a tough time asking for help or clarification from teachers where from friends they feel more comfortable. It is not surprising to me that Neville was the most improved member of the DA. For the students taking the roll of the teacher they get to reinforce their understanding of how things work. All in all it is a win win for all the students involved.

Aside from that I think it likely that Harry is going to need a posse of students at his back in the last two books. In reality what is being formed is HA {Harry's Army}.

I would be surprised if the DA did not continue in the next two books.

Hermione gave two reasons to start the DA in Hogs Head. 1) Umbridge sucked, 2) Voldermort was back. So I can't see most of the DA allowing it to go to the sidenow that harry has been proven right. It may change into a club or not, only JKR and some editors really know, but it most likely will remain in some form.

I dont think DA will be back like it was. I'm hoping that the DADA teacher will actually teach some defense and will probably teach the defences necassary in battle with a DE. I think if anything the rescue mission group will be tighter and we'll see more of them in action but otherwise no more DA perhaps a plaque in comemoration but otherwise its just a title as of now

Hermione gave two reasons to start the DA in Hogs Head. 1) Umbridge sucked, 2) Voldermort was back. So I can't see most of the DA allowing it to go to the sidenow that harry has been proven right. It may change into a club or not, only JKR and some editors really know, but it most likely will remain in some form.

ya i say there could ve more DA meetings plus having d DA der was interestin becuz we could see if harry could actually teach....! o now dat umbridge one well shes sum character,she got me going i jus wanted 2 jump in2 d buk n attack er 4 being so nasty! :evil:

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ya i say there could ve more DA meetings plus having d DA der was interestin becuz we could see if harry could actually teach....! o now dat umbridge one well shes sum character,she got me going i jus wanted 2 jump in2 d buk n attack er 4 being so nasty! :evil:

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Yes I think there will definately be more DA and there will be more people to join. I beleive it will be endorsed by DD be all official and stuff.

Yes, I do infact think that the "trio" will continue to organize and meet for the DA. Im sure that just about every other member will be more than happy (and anxious) to get it going again, now that they know for sure that the Dark Lord has risen again. I think they might feel sort of obligated to start again, you know, do whatever they can to help their side of the war, plus prepare themselves for whatever may happen. I think the whole Marietta issue isnt that serious anymore, since Umbridge is gone and Fudge has finallly got it through his head that The Dark Lord once again has power. Though Im not too sure that the members will welcome Marietta back with open arms. I also think that the members know that the things they may do could risk their lives, and that if they didnt feel brave enough they would get mad.


Perhaps the Ravenclaws are mad, maybe not. Some of them may even feel that Marietta got what she deserved, and that it was her own fault. And by now Madam Pomfrey has probably fixed her face, what a shame. As far as being afraid of Hermiones capabilities, they simply have to do nothing to upset her and their pretty much safe.

I would really like to see a Slytherin try to join the DA. I don't really know who it would be, perhaps even one that we haven't met yet, but I don't think that just because someone's in Slytherin, makes them bad. It just makes them ambitious and be prejudice against muggle borns. (Maybe that is bad, but I meant they wouldn't necessarily support Voldemort).

...then again, if a Slytherin just pretended to be trying to learn stuff to eventually help vanquish Voldemort or whatever, then they could use their newfound knowledge against the trio. That would be bad. It would be like "Expelliarmus! Yea! I perfected that from you! Stupefy!" That would be bad. But hopefully that won't happen...

it was to big of a part of OotP, jk rowling wouldn't have put it in if she didn't have plans for it in the future
I don't think that it was big enough for it to continue being a big thing, although i agree that it is possible to continue in some way.

it depends whos DADA teacher

personally ive got a feeling it might be Dumbledore himself

or perhaps Tonks.

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I think the whole Marietta issue isnt that serious anymore, since Umbridge is gone and Fudge has finallly got it through his head that The Dark Lord once again has power. Though Im not too sure that the members will welcome Marietta back with open arms...
Some of them may even feel that Marietta got what she deserved, and that it was her own fault. And by now Madam Pomfrey has probably fixed her face, what a shame.

I think that once Marietta gave up the DA to Umbridge, she had given it up forever. Those DA members are not going to forget what she did to them, to those she called friends. They may forgive her for her actions, but she will not be welcome in the DA anymore.

Tonks would be a really cool teacher for DADA. Imagine.... you'd never know what your teacher would look like on any given day!

I think that the DA will have to have some role, possibly as a support network for Harry. Plus with Voldy's return, you'd think the MoM would support and even push for a group like th DA; kids that are growing up knowing hopw to defend themselves and knowing what the dark arts look like, or at the very minimum how to deal with a threat. Kinda like Moody (in Crouch Jr. form) wanted the DADA class to learn to throw off that one curse (whose name i cannot remember) It's a sure bet that Harry won't be easily controlled with that!!! Even though Harry has more than his fair share on his shoulders right now, I would really think that the students could learn from his experiences. Anyone who has faced Voldy 5 times (in various forms of course) and had Voldy inside his head AND lived to tell about it could really teach alot to the benefit of the wizarding community.

Tonks would be a really cool teacher for DADA. Imagine.... you'd never know what your teacher would look like on any given day!

Maybe Tonks will go undercover as some other teacher to keep an extra eye on Harry :huh:

I think there will be more in the future books. I also think they will expand its members now that its safe to do so.

Even with a decent DADA teacher, the DA will continue. Everyone (except Marietta) in it was really enthusiastic about learning Defense and being able to fight Voldemort. Even if Harry doesn't feel like continuing it, the other students will, so Harry will agree.

I tend to agree that the DA will continue. I'd really like to see the DADA teacher teach in conjunction with Harry, or even better, have Dumbledore himself teach in conjunction with Harry. Like someone else here said, education is sometimes most effective when peers act the part of the teacher. Perhaps Dumbledore can teach Harry privately and Harry, in turn, can teach the DA what he's just learned. Also, one of the best ways to ensure understanding of a concept is to actually teach the concept to someone else.

To the question concerning whether or not the DA continues to be a private organization or not, I'm torn. On the one hand, it seems a waste to NOT open it up to the school, but my concern, like so many others', is the Slytherins' motive for joining, and you know they will join if only to sabotage Harry's reputation (yet again...). On the other hand, keeping it small with only its original members ensures two things: Harry can manage the "class" and the class remains on the same level.

Do you think there can be a happy comprimise? Do you think the DA can be opened up somewhat to the school while maintaining a manageable crowd and an approximately equal level of expertise?

I think the DA will go more advanced in the years and not stop.

yes...i suppose since there's nothing wrong with the club....not going against the school laws or anything...
cho's friend,marietta should be expel from the club,though for betraying them to umbridge..

yes...i suppose since there's nothing wrong with the club....not going against the school laws or anything...
cho's friend,marietta should be expel from the club,though for betraying them to umbridge..
I'm a bit sympathetic toward both Marietta and Cho on that issue, especially Cho. Despite the fact that Marietta betrayed them I doubt it would have been an easy decision for her to come to and I think by and large the girl was plain scared.

Also Cho was right when said that Hermione's jinxing of the parchment was a nasty trick despite it's effectiveness at flushing out the sneak she could have easily introduced it for what it was, a magical contract. Had she explained to the group the need for secrecy and security it is unlikely that, had she signed appreciating the gravity of her commitment, that Marietta would have even considered betraying them.

While I consider loyalty the greatest of virtues one should be given the oppertunity to understand the full consequences of something they are commiting themselves for and allowed to make that choice. That was something that Hermione denied all of those who signed the contract and was something that Cho displayed in her final row with Harry. IMO in that instance Harry was unnecessarily harsh with her.

it depends whos DADA teacher

personally ive got a feeling it might be Dumbledore himself
He wouldn't have time, IMO. He has to run the school as well as run the Order and watch out for LV. He's already got a lot on his plate.

I'm a bit sympathetic toward both Marietta and Cho on that issue, especially Cho. Despite the fact that Marietta betrayed them I doubt it would have been an easy decision for her to come to and I think by and large the girl was plain scared.

Also Cho was right when said that Hermione's jinxing of the parchment was a nasty trick despite it's effectiveness at flushing out the sneak she could have easily introduced it for what it was, a magical contract. Had she explained to the group the need for secrecy and security it is unlikely that, had she signed appreciating the gravity of her commitment, that Marietta would have even considered betraying them.

While I consider loyalty the greatest of virtues one should be given the oppertunity to understand the full consequences of something they are commiting themselves for and allowed to make that choice. That was something that Hermione denied all of those who signed the contract and was something that Cho displayed in her final row with Harry. IMO in that instance Harry was unnecessarily harsh with her.

I, too, am sympathetic towards Cho. Despite her loss of senses while dating Harry, she still shows that she is a loyal and forgiving person. She forgave Cho for betraying her, and she forgave Harry for lacking in social graces. Cho's not a bad person.

Marietta, on the other hand, betrayed those who trusted her, including her best friend. She may have been pressured into revealing the DA's existance, of that I have no doubt. However, this was not just after Umbridge posted the decree banning clubs. This was almost a whole 6 months after the fact. Even after Harry's article came out about LV's return.

I think that Marietta might have let something slip to her mother, who "encouraged" Marietta to tell Umbridge. Of course, she was scared. At first, she was even hesitant about signing up, and now, after months of training with them, she was to betray them. However, it was her lack of saving anyone from trouble that angered me. Why endanger the whole group, when all Umbridge wanted was Harry? She's a Ravenclaw, and they are supposed to be smart. She could have told the group that she was being pressured into reporting them, and Harry would have easily sacrificed himself for the good of the group. That tells me that when Marietta is in a tough spot, she would rat out her friends to save herself.

Then there is the possibility that Marietta ratted out he group on her own. She might not have been encouraged to tell Umbridge. The fact that the jinx did not take place until Marietta told Umbridge makes me question Marietta's intentions. Had she told her mother or anyone else about her involvement in the DA beforehand she would have the jinx in full effect before entering Umbridge's office. And if she chose to report the DA on her own, the she deserves absolutely no sympathy.

As far as Hermione's jinx, she did make it clear before anyone signed that to sign the sheet is to promise not to tell anyone about the DA. It was also explained that Umbridge might not be too keen on the idea of the DA, which became obvious over the school year. True, Hermione was kinda mean by putting a jinx on the parchment. However, anyone who broke the promise was going to endanger the group. The jinx was not to prevent people from turning traitor, it was to make the traitor easy to spot.

I actually think by it becoming an official Hogwarts club it could help in a way. The thing is, if the students need parent signatures, then they might find it hard to talk their parents into it, and that will make them defenseless. But, as it is now offically confirmed that Voldemort is back, then many probably will side with Dumbledore. I think that the little group of Hogwarts students will basically continue, and likely expand to so many more.

The DA seems to be an advanced form of the duelling club which died a merciful death in CS. However, now Voldemort is back, I would imagine people want to get any skills they can, and the general level of DADA has been awful (except for Lupin) in the 5 years Harry has been at Hogwarts, so they have a lot of catching up to do. Hopefully it will continue, because Harry and Co. are learning a lot more than mere spells (even though that's important also) but teamwork, leadership, organization and the rest.

And I agree peer teaching is invaluable. And also when you teach something to someone else, you learn it much better yourself. And Harry needs all the training he can get. He enjoyed the DA, and I hope it will continue, for Harry's sake.

It would be cool for the DA to continue, but I'm sure, as many people have probably said (sorry, am too tired to read all the posts he he!), there doesn't seem to be much need for it in Hogwarts anymore. It was formed because of Umbridge's absolutely atrocious teaching, following the Ministry's decision, which was made through their ignorance of the truth.

Now that they are aware Voldemort is back, and is an absolute threat, they are going to see a need to prepare everyone for the ensuing war. Fudge has been displanted, obviously in favour of a Minister who accepts the truth before their own insecurities, which shows the Ministry is taking prepatory steps. The most obvious of these would be to appoint a DADA teacher with exceptional skill, and give the students the knowledge so that they have a better chance of defending themselves.

Dumbledore's Army will continue to exist, but it will have expanded from a secret student rebellion within Hogwarts, to a quest to prepare the wizarding community for the biggest fight of their lives.

I don't think they'll will be any more DA meetings as hopfully they will have a decent DADA teacher and will be learning things that they are supose to. I supose they still might be a little room for some curses that they will not learn in their DADA class. :eyebrows:

I think the DA will continue and become what the Dueling club should have been in the first place.

I think we are going to see one of the most powerful DADA teachers to date. Now that Voldy has come out of the closet (he he) the wizarding world will take DADA education seriously. I'm thinking an Auror may come and teach. I was thinking it would be interesting if Moody came to teach. No DADA teacher has ever taught more than one year, but Moody didn't really teach. An intersting loophole, eh?

i think the DA will continue and not be illegal any more like it shud be.

also i think the DADA teacher will be someone new or mb evn snape?????

I'm a bit sympathetic toward both Marietta and Cho on that issue, especially Cho. Despite the fact that Marietta betrayed them I doubt it would have been an easy decision for her to come to and I think by and large the girl was plain scared.

Also Cho was right when said that Hermione's jinxing of the parchment was a nasty trick despite it's effectiveness at flushing out the sneak she could have easily introduced it for what it was, a magical contract. Had she explained to the group the need for secrecy and security it is unlikely that, had she signed appreciating the gravity of her commitment, that Marietta would have even considered betraying them.

While I consider loyalty the greatest of virtues one should be given the oppertunity to understand the full consequences of something they are commiting themselves for and allowed to make that choice. That was something that Hermione denied all of those who signed the contract and was something that Cho displayed in her final row with Harry. IMO in that instance Harry was unnecessarily harsh with her.
I, too, am sympathetic towards Cho. Despite her loss of senses while dating Harry, she still shows that she is a loyal and forgiving person. She forgave Cho for betraying her, and she forgave Harry for lacking in social graces. Cho's not a bad person.

Marietta, on the other hand, betrayed those who trusted her, including her best friend. She may have been pressured into revealing the DA's existance, of that I have no doubt. However, this was not just after Umbridge posted the decree banning clubs. This was almost a whole 6 months after the fact. Even after Harry's article came out about LV's return.
That's a good point, we really don't know that much about Marietta. :sigh: Another issue to add to the ones I'd like to see resolved in the last two books I guess.

As far as Hermione's jinx, she did make it clear before anyone signed that to sign the sheet is to promise not to tell anyone about the DA. It was also explained that Umbridge might not be too keen on the idea of the DA, which became obvious over the school year. True, Hermione was kinda mean by putting a jinx on the parchment. However, anyone who broke the promise was going to endanger the group. The jinx was not to prevent people from turning traitor, it was to make the traitor easy to spot.
I still disagree there, in jinxing the parchment she denied the others the oppertunity to make an informed choice and as we know the choices we make is a major theme of the books. Much as I love her character Hermione shows herself to be quite ruthless in some situations, such as this one and Rita, and I get the feeling that this might bite her some time in the future. Hopefully when Jo says she's going to 'loosen up' a bit she means in this regard too.

Hermione should be more ruthless in my opinion.

And I agree peer teaching is invaluable. And also when you teach something to someone else, you learn it much better yourself. And Harry needs all the training he can get. He enjoyed the DA, and I hope it will continue, for Harry's sake.
A little food for thought if anyone's interested, teaching someone else is associated with 90% of recall (for the teacher) and it has also been shown that all that you learn in class, even if you get what the teacher is saying, shortly afterwards 80% is forgotten. My psychology teacher said, that teachers actually learn and remember a lot more of the stuff that they teach, by the process of teaching, compared to what they learnt in university.

I think the DA will continue and become what the Dueling club should have been in the first place.

I think we are going to see one of the most powerful DADA teachers to date. Now that Voldy has come out of the closet (he he) the wizarding world will take DADA education seriously. I'm thinking an Auror may come and teach. I was thinking it would be interesting if Moody came to teach. No DADA teacher has ever taught more than one year, but Moody didn't really teach. An intersting loophole, eh?

I also think the DA will continue, but maybe with more secrecy than we might imagine; I think it has to be taken into consideratoin that not all students will be overly supportive of the DA (i.e. Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, Pansy, etc.); and with that group, I doubt the Trio would want to publicize their meetings too much, just for the safety of everyone involved. Can't you just see Malfoy terrorizing some second-year Gryffindor if he found out they were a DA member?

I have mixed theories on the DADA position next year; it's going to be perhaps the most important year for Harry to have a REAL professor, so I could def. see an Auror. I don't know about Moody - there is a loophole, but I don't see JKR doing that. I've heard some theories about Tonks or Kingsley coming to teach & I think that could be cool. But, at the same time, they're all so busy with the Order.

And with the "most important year" thing, Harry could be thrown a curve ball & have somebody useless, like Lockhart or Quirrell (in the professor sense, Quirrell really didn't do anything one way or the other), thus forcing him to learn more on his own & become more independent/self-sufficient with his own abilites.

Hermione should be more ruthless in my opinion.
What makes you say that? If anyone needs to develope more in that direction it would be Harry, he's going to need a harder edge to tackle Voldemort.

Hermione should be more ruthless in my opinion.
Could you define what you mean by 'ruthless' :huh: because that word has a lot of negative connatations which i don't think you mean like brutal, unfeeling, and merciless.

Katy Kedevra said she would shudder to think if DA ever became
an open club,and Malfoy and his cronies tried to ruin it somehow,
well I'm pretty sure if they tried to curse harry and the DA again
Malfoy and his cronies would get another doce of what they got
in the last of OotP,slimy,gooey,giant slugs. So I don't think
Malfoy is gonna try to take on the DA with just Malfoy,Crabbe,
Goyle,and maybe Pansy. That reminds me,why wasn't Pansy
there with Malfoy and the others at the end ,I would have died
laughing if Pansy had got cursed along with Malfoy. I guess
Jo didn't want a girl being cursed in that scene.

and as Tonks would say "If you shout his name,I will curse you
into oblivion"

That reminds me,why wasn't Pansy
there with Malfoy and the others at the end ,I would have died
laughing if Pansy had got cursed along with Malfoy. I guess
Jo didn't want a girl being cursed in that scene.
What scene? In the train? It might just be that she was sitting with another group of her friends that's all. I don't have the book with me, but wasn't it just Malfoy and his cronies who came out to attack Harry as revenge for putting their parents in Azkaban.

I'm not sure that Dumbledore would like the DA to continue, he will be trying to keep the children out of harms way. He will of course know that they will need better DADA lessons and get in a suitably good teacher, and i dont think we should rule out the possibility od Dumbledore teaching it himself. Whoever it is, it will probably be a member of the order.

DD will want to stop the DA for going off and repeating what happened in the ministry.
I cant explain this properly, but i'm sure he will ant them to keep out of the fight- letting them go ahead with the DA may give them false courage, make them think they can handle situations that otherwise they would never put themselves into, and lead them into danger.
I'm sure he will want to properly equip them with skills if they do get into danger, but theres a difference between danger finding them, and them finding danger.

I like the idea of DD taking DADA himself, i know he will be extremely busy, but i just dont think we can rule anything out. By ensuring a capable DADA teacher, he will be taking away the main reason behind the DA.

/is bad at explaining self- maybe someone out there gets where my train of thought is headed and is better at articulating.

I'm not sure that Dumbledore would like the DA to continue, he will be trying to keep the children out of harms way. He will of course know that they will need better DADA lessons and get in a suitably good teacher, and i dont think we should rule out the possibility od Dumbledore teaching it himself. Whoever it is, it will probably be a member of the order.
Actually I disagree there, I feel that Dumbledore isn't the type to shield his students from the harsh realities of the world. Right from COS he's quietly allowed Harry and the trio to fight their own battles giving them the education and the means to do so if they're able. I don't see this changing any time soon.

DD will want to stop the DA for going off and repeating what happened in the ministry.
I feel he'll want to teach them how to better judge the situation but were a similar situation to arise again I doubt he'd stop them outright. I'd like to believe that Harry and the others would have learned better judgement were such a situation to arise again too.

I cant explain this properly, but i'm sure he will ant them to keep out of the fight- letting them go ahead with the DA may give them false courage, make them think they can handle situations that otherwise they would never put themselves into, and lead them into danger.
But were the DA to continue it'll no longer be a hidden underground organisation so I'm sure that at least some teachers and Dumbledore himself would be well aware and probably involved, at least in an advisory capacity, in it's goings on.

On a related note additionally I'm sure that were it to go on Harry would be wary of including new members as there may be some, particularly Slytherins, who may have ulterior motivations to join up. Still a sincere Slytherin member of the DA would be a step forward for house unity, they can't all be scumbags afterall.

That really depends on who the next teacher will be! I really want them to continue, brcause it provides a great story setting. They should change DADA to Defence Against Voldemort.

Actually I disagree there, I feel that Dumbledore isn't the type to shield his students from the harsh realities of the world. Right from COS he's quietly allowed Harry and the trio to fight their own battles giving them the education and the means to do so if they're able. I don't see this changing any time soon.


No, he isn't the type to lie to the children, he'll want them aware of the danger, but at the same time he's never actively encouraged the children to put themselves into danger. What i'm trying to say is that by letting the DA continue, it would reinforce what harry and co did, by going off on their own to the ministry to fight by themselves.


I feel he'll want to teach them how to better judge the situation but were a similar situation to arise again I doubt he'd stop them outright. I'd like to believe that Harry and the others would have learned better judgement were such a situation to arise again too.

he would teach them, but he'd want to teach everyone not just members of DA, and he'd use the DADA lessons for this, thereby extinguishing the need for such a club.
And of course he'd try to stop them rushing into a dangerous situation with full on DE's. They are still only children.


But were the DA to continue it'll no longer be a hidden underground organisation so I'm sure that at least some teachers and Dumbledore himself would be well aware and probably involved, at least in an advisory capacity, in it's goings on.

On a related note additionally I'm sure that were it to go on Harry would be wary of including new members as there may be some, particularly Slytherins, who may have ulterior motivations to join up. Still a sincere Slytherin member of the DA would be a step forward for house unity, they can't all be scumbags afterall.

If it does continue, (and I do hope it does, I loved those scenes, even though they didn't make the wisest choices) I agree that there probably will be some sort of advisor or mentor around to guide them, but it would be so much easier for Slytherins to get in and make a hash of it- to exclude them just because they are slytherins would go against everything dd stands for.

Actually I disagree there, I feel that Dumbledore isn't the type to shield his students from the harsh realities of the world. Right from COS he's quietly allowed Harry and the trio to fight their own battles giving them the education and the means to do so if they're able. I don't see this changing any time soon.
And don't forget that the end of GoF when he came right out and told the whole school (including the first years) about LV's return and that he had murdered Cedric Diggory. He didn't sugar coat it at all.

That really depends on who the next teacher will be! I really want them to continue, brcause it provides a great story setting. They should change DADA to Defence Against Voldemort.
The problem with that is most people won't be able to say the class name. They get stuck on the third word, and i don't think DD would want to scare the students llike that. They know that it's coming but it's better if they don't have to think about it when they're in Hogwarts.

There is a similarity between the death eaters and the DA. It might be important in the future that Harry also has an 'army'.
Whether or not the DA actually continue with meetings is anybodies guess. Harry is good at teaching, and might be coaxed into continuing the group (even if they have a good DADA teacher) as it is in his interest to train any wizard to protect themselves - to prepare for the war. If they don't continue with the meetings, they might still have a sense of unity amongst themselves.
Guess we'll just have to see

I totally believe the DA will get together more- it has to!

well i don't think DA is over with... the name itself kinda shows it's importance, more so than what we know of yet... and i think, even if they do have a really good DADA teacher now, they all recognize that Harry was a brilliant DADA teacher, so they'll all want some extra help... even more students will prolly be asking for extra help from harry, considering that the war is finally official!? maybe?

well i don't think DA is over with... the name itself kinda shows it's importance, more so than what we know of yet... and i think, even if they do have a really good DADA teacher now, they all recognize that Harry was a brilliant DADA teacher, so they'll all want some extra help... even more students will prolly be asking for extra help from harry, considering that the war is finally official!? maybe?

I agree everyone did seem to learn loads from Harry. Even if an adequate or even popular DADAs teacher arrives at Hogwarts, I'm sure that student's will still ask for help from Harry. He could serve as tutor of sorts and help those students struggling because Dumbledore will want everyone up to scatch just like left of what said, the war is offical on now and no one can be left unprepared. I do think that a adequate DADAs teacher will arrive though, because if Harry is to fulfill Prophecy and survive, I'm sure that he will have to learn the "unforgivable curses" maybe from the new DADAs teacher. I can't remember who said this or when in the books, I think it might have been Proffesor McGonnagall speaking about Dumbledore, something along the lines of he is a very powerful wizard that refuses to use the dark arts even though he knows them. Maybe this will mean Dumbledore won't teach Harry the unforgivable curses simply because he won't use them himself. :sad: <-- confused simly face

I totally believe the DA will get together more- it has to!
If they end up with a good DADA teacher then it might end up being a casual afterschool club.

There is a similarity between the death eaters and the DA. It might be important in the future that Harry also has an 'army'.
Whether or not the DA actually continue with meetings is anybodies guess. Harry is good at teaching, and might be coaxed into continuing the group (even if they have a good DADA teacher) as it is in his interest to train any wizard to protect themselves - to prepare for the war. If they don't continue with the meetings, they might still have a sense of unity amongst themselves.
Guess we'll just have to see

That's a good point - it might be essential for Harry to have an 'army' in the future. I also think that even if the DA don't have any official meetings, there will always be there for each other and be ready to defend Harry - like an 'army'. They have after all become quite good friends. And there will also probably be some conflict between the DA members and DE's children (Malfoy, Pancy, Crabbe etc), since it was because of them they were caught...

So even if they don't exist as a 'club', they'll most likely still exist as a group; as good friends ready to defend eachother...

So even if they don't exist as a 'club', they'll most likely still exist as a group; as good friends ready to defend eachother...
That's already been proven in the train at the end of OotP.

That's already been proven in the train at the end of OotP.
excellent point! that was prolly my fave part of the whole book! i think that group is going to play a very important role in the last two stories... they have a type of brother hood... i suppose? not meaning to sound so cheezy! lol! but they'll be there for harry. like they already were.

It would be good if the DA was 'legitimised' and expanded. In OotP, only those close to Harry, Ron, Hermione or Ginny take part. What about all the other students keen to prepare themselves for when Voldemort attacks? It would be interesting to see whether Slytherins would be allowed to take part.

No, he isn't the type to lie to the children, he'll want them aware of the danger, but at the same time he's never actively encouraged the children to put themselves into danger. What i'm trying to say is that by letting the DA continue, it would reinforce what harry and co did, by going off on their own to the ministry to fight by themselves.

he would teach them, but he'd want to teach everyone not just members of DA, and he'd use the DADA lessons for this, thereby extinguishing the need for such a club.
And of course he'd try to stop them rushing into a dangerous situation with full on DE's. They are still only children.

If it does continue, (and I do hope it does, I loved those scenes, even though they didn't make the wisest choices) I agree that there probably will be some sort of advisor or mentor around to guide them, but it would be so much easier for Slytherins to get in and make a hash of it- to exclude them just because they are slytherins would go against everything dd stands for.

I don't think that DD would be encouraging a repeat of what happened at the Battle in the Dept. of Mysteries by supporting the DA. In fact, I feel that by supporting the DA he can teach them how to see through LV's deceptions and know where danger truly is. Although a proper DADA teacher would be very good at this point, there is no reason for the DA to not continue.

Here's what I see. Harry and co., after discussing it on the Hogwarts Express with the other members, will want to reform the DA with permission this time. Harry, being the leader, would probably approach DD directly after the Sorting Feast. DD would allow the DA to continue, but they are to have an advisor/mentor to oversee and train the members. The mentor would show up at the first meeting at the RoR, after all the members have gathered, and it would be DD himself. Dumbledore would take it upon himself to train Dumbledore's Army, but Harry would still be it's leader.

The reasons DD would train the DA himself are based on his character. First, the DA meets about once a week, which is far more convenient than teaching DADA several hours everyday. Second, the DA had risked much to remain loyal to DD. When DD saw the sheet, he was surprised to find all the students who were actively supporting him. This kind of loyalty will be rewarded, and what better way to pay back those students than to help them on their path. Third, the DA originally was a private club, so DD's involvement in it will be lesser known if it remains a private club. Better that LV has no idea that these students are being trained by the best. Finally, in the Battle in the Dept. of Mysteries, the DE's were willing to kill everyone who came with Harry. The DE's will kill them whether they are children or adults, so why keep them in the dark about defending themselves? They need to know how to avoid such traps and deceptions. Teaching them Occulmency wouldn't be a bad idea either.

I can't remember who said this or when in the books, I think it might have been Proffesor McGonnagall speaking about Dumbledore, something along the lines of he is a very powerful wizard that refuses to use the dark arts even though he knows them.
McGonagall said in the first chapter of SS/PS something about Voldemort and Dumbledore or something, then he said that Voldemort had powers he didn't, and then she said it was because he was 'too noble to use them' or something like that. Then, in CoS, after Hermione asks Prof. Binns about the Chamber of Secrets and there is a small discussion afterwards, either Parvati or Seamus says maybe nobody has found the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets because it takes Dark Magic to open it. This is wher Binns replies with, 'just because a wizard doesn't use the Dark Arts doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so' or something along those lines.
It would be good if the DA was 'legitimised' and expanded. In OotP, only those close to Harry, Ron, Hermione or Ginny take part. What about all the other students keen to prepare themselves for when Voldemort attacks? It would be interesting to see whether Slytherins would be allowed to take part.
I don't think it would be a good idea for the DA to be advertized. For some reason, my gut is telling me that would end in a disaster. I agree that other students do need to be in the DA, though. However, how could we go about getting new people in it without it being discovered again? People already in the DA could tell their close friends abot it, but look at the trouble that got us in with Marietta and Cho. Perhaps Heads of Houses could select students they think would not betray the secret. It doesn't have to be a secret anymore, but, again, my gut's telling me it should still be kept somewhat quiet. Or, the safest way seems to me that Dumbledore could say in his opening speech that if anyone at any time fells the need to prepare themselves against Dark Magic, approach either the DADA teacher or their Head of House. Man, I hate not being a great writer. I never get my point across the way I want it to.
They need to know how to avoid such traps and deceptions. Teaching them Occulmency wouldn't be a bad idea either.
I agree.

The DE's will kill them whether they are children or adults, so why keep them in the dark about defending themselves? They need to know how to avoid such traps and deceptions. Teaching them Occulmency wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Ditto.

I have to wonder why Occulmency isn't taught as a real course/integrated into DADA regularly; while it's very difficult, it's a useful skill, so I can't imagine why more students aren't taught it.

Absolutely! It will probably have a teacher to sit in some of the meetings, after all they are using somewhat dangerous spells. I would really look forward to seeing the meetings continue.

Well, I do think there will still be a DA group through out the series. There won't be anyneed for all the secrecy now that Umbridge is gone, and I'm sure newly re-instated Proffesor Dumbledore will lift all of the recent educational decrees that came about in OOTP. Hopefully the DA won't be the only true source of DADAs training, which means I hope that the new DADAs teacher will be more skilled at teaching, and will no longer follow the new "text-book" style of teaching, and will return to the traditional "hands-on" style that was popular with the former teachers.

If my hopes become reality and a suitable teacher does come along, then the DA can still reamain, as you could say a tutoring program, or review group like many high school and college students take part in.

As for Ravenclaws being upset with Hermione over the curse she placed on Marrietta for snitching on the order, I don't think this will be true, except for Cho. The rest of the Ravenclaw members of the DA I'm sure will be very pleased or impressed with Hermione because Marrietta was a sneak, and obviously didn't care about their future. As you can remember from OOTp, the educational decree banning clubs and organizations states that the members of these clubs could be expelled from Hogwarts, and you know Umbridge would have given every single one of them the boot. Where would that have left them and their dreams? The description of Ravenclaws is that of wise, inellectual wizards, who can all see that Marrietta deserved what she got, and if they don't agree to hell with them :eyebrows: .

I think, that with the now advertised, returned of Voldemort, that the DA will definitely continue. Even if Hogwarts does come up with an excellent DADA teacher, the DA would continue because the people involved have a desire to learn more than they have been taught so far. They will be something like a younger version of the Order of the Phoenix. They are out to defeat Voldemort and learn how to protect themselves and others from Voldemort and the Death Eaters.

I don't think they will grow in #'s though. I think that only the original members will be in it. If they do have other members, I just can't see them allowing a Slytherin in. But then, wouldn't that be like the reverse of Salizar Slytherin's/Voldemort's theroy? They don't want Mudbloods in their school/group.

I do like the idea of Dumbledore himself teaching DADA. That would be great. I think that he would allow the DA to continue with their meetings. He has allowed Harry to get into all of the situations that he has gotten into. He has been watching Harry closer than we know and he knew that Harry would go after Voldemort. I do think he would allow the DA to continue but maybe he would help Harry with what to teach them. Like Occulmency and Legimancy and other things they might need in the future.

Ditto.

I have to wonder why Occulmency isn't taught as a real course/integrated into DADA regularly; while it's very difficult, it's a useful skill, so I can't imagine why more students aren't taught it.

well if they were teaching occulmency, then it wouldn't be very useful to be a lgajdrfkd, (whatever the word is! :blush: i'm tired lol!)
catch my drift though! while it would make sense that they would teach it... it wouldn't make for a very exciting book if everyone could defend themselves against LV's brain scans... lol! did any of that make sense? :huh:

I have to wonder why Occulmency isn't taught as a real course/integrated into DADA regularly; while it's very difficult, it's a useful skill, so I can't imagine why more students aren't taught it.
I get the impression that it takes an exceptional wizard to achieve such skill, I somehow doubt that your average rankin file wizard could manage, in fact the only three we know that can are Dumbledore, Snape and Voldemort. With some discipline I suspect Harry could manage too but I really doubt any of the other students or most of the other teachers could manage.

Well, I do think there will still be a DA group through out the series. There won't be anyneed for all the secrecy now that Umbridge is gone, and I'm sure newly re-instated Proffesor Dumbledore will lift all of the recent educational decrees that came about in OOTP. Hopefully the DA won't be the only true source of DADAs training, which means I hope that the new DADAs teacher will be more skilled at teaching, and will no longer follow the new "text-book" style of teaching, and will return to the traditional "hands-on" style that was popular with the former teachers.
I don't think they'd need to remain secret, at least from the staff, but they'd have to be quite selective about who they allow in. Were the organisation suitably mentored, possibly by Dumbledore himself, it could progress quite well.

If my hopes become reality and a suitable teacher does come along, then the DA can still reamain, as you could say a tutoring program, or review group like many high school and college students take part in.
Pretty much how I see it going on. I figure with Voldemort out in the open the obvious need for a really competant DADA teacher should bring one in.

As for Ravenclaws being upset with Hermione over the curse she placed on Marrietta for snitching on the order, I don't think this will be true, except for Cho. The rest of the Ravenclaw members of the DA I'm sure will be very pleased or impressed with Hermione because Marrietta was a sneak, and obviously didn't care about their future. As you can remember from OOTp, the educational decree banning clubs and organizations states that the members of these clubs could be expelled from Hogwarts, and you know Umbridge would have given every single one of them the boot. Where would that have left them and their dreams? The description of Ravenclaws is that of wise, inellectual wizards, who can all see that Marrietta deserved what she got, and if they don't agree to hell with them :eyebrows:.
First up I think even Cho was as taken back by Marietta's actions as the rest of the DA though she did try to explain these to Harry in their last argument. I also feel a bit sorry for Cho here as she was showing loyalty to her friend even if she was in the wrong. You don't abandon true friends when they make a mistake, even a big one, and I find myself respecting Cho's character for this.

And, as I've already mentioned, Hermione's jinxed parchment was a nasty trick. She deliberately and premeditately (Is that a word?) misled those who signed on. Despite her honorable intentions she has again, like her elf clothes making, denied others the oppertunity to make an informed choice. I'm hoping she'll wake up to herself soon before one of her 'tricks' comes back to bite her, she's gaining a lot of enemies, some who could get into a position to cause her much difficulty in the future.

I am hoping for a real DADA teacher. Someone with experience, wasn't Moody their best teacher ever they said? Well it wasn't moody was it? It was BC JR, a Death Eater. He has been there. He can explain it.
So, lets bring Snape to his moment of glory. DADA teacher! Lets bring in a new Potions Teacher. Possibly the man with the 'long mane' JK let us peek at?

Despite her honorable intentions she has again, like her elf clothes making, denied others the oppertunity to make an informed choice.

I never thought about it like that. I think that with the DA, there needed to be some kind of protection that would alert the members (even though only Hermione knew about it) that they were being exposed. It was important enough that it merited the kind of protection that would most easily be employed if no one knew the protection existed.
I agree that the DA will probably no longer need the secrecy that it did in ootp. Although I desperately want Hogwarts to have a competant dada teacher, I would hate it if the DA were to discontinue. I think they'll stick together and study outside of class and teach themselves more advanced defensive tactics.

I think that DA will continue in Book 6 aswell, BUT the new DADA teacher will know about it and possibly sit in/provide a space for them (the room of requirement isn't 'safe' given Malfoy and Co know if it).

Only reason I can see that DA doesn't continue is if the new teacher is very Mad-Eye Moody in approach in that theres no reason for them to form up and teach each other spells, they could of course form up to practice but if the new teacher is adept there would be no need for them to do it anywhere other than respective common-rooms. (assuming space isn't an issue).


I also think that DA will learn how to 'cure' or despell each other once effected with certain spells, because given the amount of 'what the hell is going on' that happened in MoM it would be silly for them not to learn how to cure each other - curing Neville of his dancing legs shoudlnt be too complicated but would help (was it neville with the dancing legs?).

Harrys class was more of an offensive version, they need to learn defense/resolution aswell.


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the kids also need to know how to duel, none of them actually dueled in the ministry just ran and shot spells, all the adults dueled each other in proper combat.

so maybe instead of DA they'll reinstate the Dueling Classes

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I never thought about it like that. I think that with the DA, there needed to be some kind of protection that would alert the members (even though only Hermione knew about it) that they were being exposed. It was important enough that it merited the kind of protection that would most easily be employed if no one knew the protection existed.
I really don't think at the time that was the way to go. Like I said in this post (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2016321&postcount=144) in the situation they were in Hermione could have quite easily have told all of their prospective members that they were signing a contract not to betray their organisation.

I agree that the DA will probably no longer need the secrecy that it did in ootp. Although I desperately want Hogwarts to have a competant dada teacher, I would hate it if the DA were to discontinue. I think they'll stick together and study outside of class and teach themselves more advanced defensive tactics.
I'd like to think the DA will expand somewhat in HBP and book seven, though they'll need to have some security in place. I think a more open form of Hermione's contract may be a good starting point.

ISn't it funny, how Fudge was scared a few books back that Dumbledore was forming an army. And a few books later, there was one.

With Occlumency and Legilimency, these are subjects which require long hours of one-on-one instruction. They probably cannot be taught in a group situation. Also the teacheris put under just as much strain as the student, so ti would seem. So they might be a special extra-curricular class for an exceptional student, but not part of the regular coursework.

As an aside, I wonder if 6th and/or 7th years are allowed to take extra-curricular courses if they are interested? Harry and Hermione (among others) would be prime candidates.

Hermione warned the students that they might not want to sign the parchment, that they were taking a risk in joining the club. She said don't sign if you aren't willing to support the group. These are not direct full-disclosure statements, but enough of a warning for someone who was thinking to perhaps figure out, something was "attached" to the parchment. Being in the group was a risk, and I disagree with the " she led them astray" statements made by others. The warning was veiled, but definitely there for those who might stop and think a moment. Certainly someone who has been in a similar situation would see those statements as a giant red flag.

I do like the idea of Dumbledore taking over as faculty advisor and mentor for the DA. But maybe a Slytherin or two might be allowed to join. Blaize Zabini and Theodore Nott are two possible members. Nott's dad is a death eater, but that doesn't necessarily mean Theodore will follow in his footsteps either.

I really don't think at the time that was the way to go. Like I said in this post (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2016321&postcount=144) in the situation they were in Hermione could have quite easily have told all of their prospective members that they were signing a contract not to betray their organisation.

She did tell them. Hermione told everyone before they signed that by signing the sheet they are promising to not tell anyone about the DA. She made it quite clear. She simply didn't tell them that there would be consequences for betraying the DA, and she shouldn't have to. Hermione was looking out for those risking their necks for the DA. She paid attention to the Wormtail situation, how he betrayed his school friends to LV. She knew that such groups could have spies, and that something would be needed to catch a traitor if the DA had one.

The question to ask is what was Marietta thinking in turning against the DA? What did she think would happen to them? How did she expect the DA members to react? Did she expect them to forgive her for betraying them and possibly getting them expelled? Did she really think that she could tell tales on them and get away with it when they have been plotting against Umbridge and the Ministry all this time?

Your concern for Hermione's jinx is interesting, but consider this. What if DD had used the same technique in allowing members into the Order? What if DD had Wormtail sign a sheet with a jinx in place before entering the Order? EVeryone would have known that Sirius was innocent and Wormtail would have been found out before the raid on Godric's Hollow.

Wow! That's a GREAT what if? Phane00. Dumbledore having a parchment and similar consequences to betraying the Order of the Phoenix and Wormtail getting caught. Of course if he had, we wouldn't have a story..........

One wonders if Dumbledore might not take a leaf from Hermione's book and install something similar in Book 6? (But that's for a different thread)

As an aside, I wonder if 6th and/or 7th years are allowed to take extra-curricular courses if they are interested? Harry and Hermione (among others) would be prime candidates.


An interesting point. I wonder if 6th and 7th years would be allowed to intern in the professions that they are interested in. In the U.S., college students can intern at places within their field of study to get a better view of their future profession. Perhaps Hogwarts does a similar process for their students. Harry could intern with an auror during the summer, hopefully Kingsley. Very intersting idea.

Hermione warned the students that they might not want to sign the parchment, that they were taking a risk in joining the club. She said don't sign if you aren't willing to support the group. These are not direct full-disclosure statements, but enough of a warning for someone who was thinking to perhaps figure out, something was "attached" to the parchment. Being in the group was a risk, and I disagree with the " she led them astray" statements made by others. The warning was veiled, but definitely there for those who might stop and think a moment. Certainly someone who has been in a similar situation would see those statements as a giant red flag.
She did tell them. Hermione told everyone before they signed that by signing the sheet they are promising to not tell anyone about the DA. She made it quite clear. She simply didn't tell them that there would be consequences for betraying the DA, and she shouldn't have to. Hermione was looking out for those risking their necks for the DA. She paid attention to the Wormtail situation, how he betrayed his school friends to LV. She knew that such groups could have spies, and that something would be needed to catch a traitor if the DA had one.
I just had a quick re read of that passage.
She rummaged in her bag and produced a parchment and quill, then hesitated, rather as though she was steeling herself to say something.
'I - I think everybody should write their name down, just so we know who was here. But I also think,' she took a deep breath, 'that we all ought to agree not to shout about what we're doing. So if you sign, you're agreeing not to tell Umbridge or anybody else what we're up to.'
You're right, at least to a point I think. That last line, the one that I highlighted, is a form of contract. On the other hand there was no hint of any consequence or penalty in place for breaking this either.

I don't necessarily believe that Hermione 'led the group astray' so much as denied them a fully informed choice, something that's quite in her character to do when she feels she's in the right.

I do like the idea of Dumbledore taking over as faculty advisor and mentor for the DA. But maybe a Slytherin or two might be allowed to join. Blaize Zabini and Theodore Nott are two possible members. Nott's dad is a death eater, but that doesn't necessarily mean Theodore will follow in his footsteps either.
I like the idea of a Slytherin DA member. It's fair to say that most of the Slytherin camp are motivated by 'informed self interest' so who's to say that this automatically leads them to the Voldemort camp. It's quite believable that some would see it to their advantage to oppose him. As I said before they may be ambitious but they can't all be scumbags.

The question to ask is what was Marietta thinking in turning against the DA? What did she think would happen to them? How did she expect the DA members to react? Did she expect them to forgive her for betraying them and possibly getting them expelled? Did she really think that she could tell tales on them and get away with it when they have been plotting against Umbridge and the Ministry all this time?
That's a good point, it's certainly an issue that I'd like to see addressed in HBP and book seven though it might not be. Personally I think she was just plain scared. She got dragged into this huge conspiracy by her friend Cho, who herself was motivated by Cedric's loss, and found events snowballing around her. I'd be interested to see what her mother's position is now that events have been bought into the open.

Your concern for Hermione's jinx is interesting, but consider this. What if DD had used the same technique in allowing members into the Order? What if DD had Wormtail sign a sheet with a jinx in place before entering the Order? EVeryone would have known that Sirius was innocent and Wormtail would have been found out before the raid on Godric's Hollow.
Oh that's true enough, and that lack on Dumbledore's part has and may again come back to bite them. It's a fine line that the trio is walking now, we saw this clearly shown with the story of Barty Crouch Sr in GOF. Jo repeatedly shows us just how important choice is throughout the books. At the end of the day had Hermione said there and then that there would be consequences for breaking the contract and if you want to walk away from this now is the time the whole sneak issue might never have arisen.

She did tell them. Hermione told everyone before they signed that by signing the sheet they are promising to not tell anyone about the DA. She made it quite clear. She simply didn't tell them that there would be consequences for betraying the DA, and she shouldn't have to. Hermione was looking out for those risking their necks for the DA. She paid attention to the Wormtail situation, how he betrayed his school friends to LV. She knew that such groups could have spies, and that something would be needed to catch a traitor if the DA had one.

The question to ask is what was Marietta thinking in turning against the DA? What did she think would happen to them? How did she expect the DA members to react? Did she expect them to forgive her for betraying them and possibly getting them expelled? Did she really think that she could tell tales on them and get away with it when they have been plotting against Umbridge and the Ministry all this time?

Your concern for Hermione's jinx is interesting, but consider this. What if DD had used the same technique in allowing members into the Order? What if DD had Wormtail sign a sheet with a jinx in place before entering the Order? EVeryone would have known that Sirius was innocent and Wormtail would have been found out before the raid on Godric's Hollow.
i could not agree with you more!
i absolutely think hermione was right in jinxing the sing up sheet.
harry, ron, and hermione were risking their tushies so they could help other students prepare for the inevitable! LV's rise to power again... (actaully Ginny was risking her tushy too!)
i think they needed some sort of security, and hermione thought of the perfect one. they weren't doing it for themselves, they were doing it for everyone elses safety... and now they know who they can trust in the future... Marietta is not someone i'd trust in the end... as we now know, she does not have a strong character... she crumbles very easily... who knows what would happen if she was approached by DE or LV... (not that this would happen, just saying though).
I really hope DD does something along these lines to ensure the safety of the Order... but i think we all know he won't. he is too noble... and trusts too easily... well maybe he doesn't trust too easily... but he wouldn't go about finding out in such a manner... maybe because he believes what's meant to happen, will happen... and now i'm rambling... which is something i've done a lot of lately... so i will stop now... lol

I think the DA will continue in some form. While I'd like to see it truely become Dumbledore's Army and have DD teach them, I don't think that's likely. I can see him teaching Harry, though. Maybe Harry will pass along part of what he learns to the rest of the DA.

If they get a good DADA teacher, then maybe the DA will morph into the DADA equivalent of the Charms Club (or something similar). The new DADA teacher could be the faculty sponsor and the DA members from last year could drill the newcomers on stuff they've already learned. The old group could still meet separately to learn new stuff from Harry. That's a lot of work (probably too much, really), but it just doesn't seem reasonable not to give everyone a chance to improve their defensive skills. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if some students demanded something like this - sort of a practial lab to go along with their DADA class.

I also think that a Slytherin will have to be included at some point, otherwise the "unity" and "personal choices" themes that run through all the books will be undermined.

And speaking of Slytherins, I can see Snape moving from Potions to DADA, but I can't see it ending in anything but disaster. Of course, that may be because I don't want Snape to teach DADA. I'd rather have Moody or Lupin back, but that won't happen either.

I'll be satisfied to know I'm wrong about any or all of this, mainly because that will mean I've got the book in my hands :p

She did tell them. Hermione told everyone before they signed that by signing the sheet they are promising to not tell anyone about the DA. She made it quite clear. She simply didn't tell them that there would be consequences for betraying the DA, and she shouldn't have to. Hermione was looking out for those risking their necks for the DA. She paid attention to the Wormtail situation, how he betrayed his school friends to LV. She knew that such groups could have spies, and that something would be needed to catch a traitor if the DA had one.

The question to ask is what was Marietta thinking in turning against the DA? What did she think would happen to them? How did she expect the DA members to react? Did she expect them to forgive her for betraying them and possibly getting them expelled? Did she really think that she could tell tales on them and get away with it when they have been plotting against Umbridge and the Ministry all this time?

Your concern for Hermione's jinx is interesting, but consider this. What if DD had used the same technique in allowing members into the Order? What if DD had Wormtail sign a sheet with a jinx in place before entering the Order? EVeryone would have known that Sirius was innocent and Wormtail would have been found out before the raid on Godric's Hollow.

Like I said earlier, I agree very much with you, and I believe thats exactly why Hermione didn't tell the others the consequences. I really don't understand what Devoo meant Cho was defending a true friend. How is Marrietta a true friend? Cho signed her name to that list, which means that Cho along with the rest of the DA members, some Ravenclaws, would have all been suspended. The worst part isn't just the betrayl, its the fact that Marrietta had no motive so far. She betrayed them simply to betray them. Isn't that exactly what Pettigrew did, well at least he received the friendship of Lord Voldemort, which is a truly powerful thing to have. I'm sorry Marrietta is a fake friend and there is no way around it, Cho can blabber on all she wants but she is just being idiotic, and I don't understand how she got into Ravenclaw if they are supposedly wise.

Like I said earlier, I agree very much with you, and I believe thats exactly why Hermione didn't tell the others the consequences. I really don't understand what Devoo meant Cho was defending a true friend. How is Marrietta a true friend?
How is she not? We have no idea of just what relationship exists between Cho and Marietta but given that Cho continued to support her despite her error of judgement showed, from Cho's side of the relationship at least, gives at least some indication of the depth of their friendship.

Cho signed her name to that list, which means that Cho along with the rest of the DA members, some Ravenclaws, would have all been suspended. The worst part isn't just the betrayl, its the fact that Marrietta had no motive so far. She betrayed them simply to betray them.
:huh: How do we know that?

Isn't that exactly what Pettigrew did,
So are you saying that informing a school teacher of a banned group is the same thing as betraying your friends to their enemy knowing full well he'd murder them then murdering a street full of innocent bystanders yourself to cover your tracks? :huh:

well at least he received the friendship of Lord Voldemort, which is a truly powerful thing to have.
Friendship?

I'm sorry Marrietta is a fake friend and there is no way around it, Cho can blabber on all she wants but she is just being idiotic, and I don't understand how she got into Ravenclaw if they are supposedly wise.
:sigh: Yes and the good guys always wear white hats and are steadfast and true.

I think all parties involved, right up to Dumbledore himself, made questionable decisions with consequences during the process. OOTP was a book about growing up, about realising the barriers between right and wrong, good and evil and the like aren't as clearcut as you might think.

Yes I to think that Snape might finally get the DADA job.

I also think that the cover art depicts Nicholas Flamel who is brought in to replace the vacant Potion's Master position after Snape moves to DADA. Flamel is a world famous alchemist and would be better suited for potions instructor than anyone ever mentioned. I also think that it would allow DD to reinforce the illusion to LV that he completely and "blindly" trusts Snape by giving him the position as the DADA instructor.

I think that the cover art shows Nicholas Flamel and Harry mixing up a serious potion for some reason but to what end I cannot guess. The reason I think this is because the snippit description given to us by JKR back in December is a dead ringer for what I would assume someone who has finally stopped taking the "Elixar of Life" would look like. Maybe his age is finally starting to catch up with now that he no longer has an unlimited supply of the Elixar available to him. I would think he is probably using the Elixar more sparingly than ever before.

I feel the answer is yes the DA will continue to meet, because no matter how much they learn in the DADA class ,they will still need to learn and practice more than what they get in class time . I think the DA will probably become a club or social group . :tu: :agree:

I have to wonder why Occulmency isn't taught as a real course/integrated into DADA regularly; while it's very difficult, it's a useful skill, so I can't imagine why more students aren't taught it.
One reason may be the fact that not only is it advanced but it isn't needed on a regular basis as some of the other basic protection spells. They would be more concerned about teaching them things that are more useful to them, than things that they might not use at all. Advanced education would involve learning spells that are not so commonly used but handy. Harry, is an exceptional case because of his link to Voldemort, and they don't require eye contact to delve into each other's mind.

There is also the fact that this process is very painful as we see with Harry, and I believe there may also be complaints from parents if the school was teaching the kids something, that for some of them would be out of their league, and was also causing them harm. Not only that but the spell isn't even useful to them in day to day life.